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[TROM1] coherent thought
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[TROM1] Obsessing about the past
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda: Why You Can't Stop Obsessing About the Past. By Jenna Birch Contributing Writer July 16, 2015 From: Yahoo Health https://www.yahoo.com/health/coulda-shoulda-woulda-why-you-cant-stop-124091942417.html A disappointment can quickly turn into an obsession when you can’t mentally resolve a past issue. LeBron James can’t get over his team’s NBA Finals loss last month to the Golden State Warriors. He says he still has nightmares about specific plays, missed opportunities. Even his kids know he’s in a funk. “You can never get out of it,” James told Bleacher Report radio. “No matter how much you try and say you did everything you did, you gave everything that you had and you move on, I don’t feel like you ever move on. You’re right there in the Finals and you had an opportunity to do something special.” A loss in the big game. A missed opportunity. The loss of a job. A breakup. A friend’s betrayal. A death in the family. Sometimes we just can’t stop turning the past over and over in our minds, despite the fact that we cannot change it. Why do we obsess? A disappointment can quickly turn into an obsession if a person cannot mentally resolve the past issue, says psychologist Karla Ivankovich, PhD, an adjunct professor at the University of Illinois Springfield. “In most cases, you ignore, suppress, or redirect your thoughts,” she tells Yahoo Health. “You are able to move on after a brief period of time, when you have resolved the matter to the best of your ability, whether literally or by way of acceptance. But thoughts turn obsessive when they are recurrent and persistent, and produce significant anxiety as a result of an inability to cease thinking about the particular event, thought, or feeling.” From a clinical perspective, this process of obsessing over the past is actually defined by a slightly different process-oriented term, says Simon Rego, PsyD, director of psychology training at Montefiore Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York. “In cognitive behavioral therapy, the idea of someone going over and over the past is a process called rumination,” he explains to Yahoo Health. “You think of a cow chewing its cud, digesting and regurgitating it, again and again. It’s the same idea. Typically, we see this in people with depressive histories.” The underlying problem is an unresolved issue. “When something is not resolved in a way that feels right in our psyche, we often find ourselves stuck in this area,” Ivankovich says, whether it’s from a month ago, a year ago, or even from childhood. It might be harder to let go of something rooted in our sense of identity, according to Diane Robinson, PhD, a neuropsychologist at the UF Health Cancer Center at Orlando Health. “For someone like LeBron James, he knows he’s the best, and winning is almost like a right. His personality is so invested in it, the ‘obsession’ becomes wrapped up in his identity. It’s kind of like the loss of a relationship. Think about a teenage girl with her first boyfriend; when they break up, if she’s built her life around this person, it’s a part of her identity. If she doesn’t have him, she’s lost.” Why can’t we let go? The more you think about a specific moment, person, or event in the past, the harder it is to let go. Robinson says to think of it like a forest, in which you’re carving pathways in the directions of your thoughts. “The more you obsess about it, the wider the pathway becomes,” she explains. “It becomes the path well-traveled, and your thoughts move in that direction.” When there’s a recurrent negative theme in your history — like James’s four Finals losses, or a pattern in your relationships that causes them to sour — that path becomes wider and your brain’s default. “For LeBron, with each loss, the past is cemented in his neural pathways,” Ivankovich says. “We look back and obsess as a mechanism to gain understanding into what we ‘coulda, shoulda, woulda’ done differently had we been given a chance.” To a certain extent, Rego says, it’s important to realize that rumination is a natural human reaction. “The process falls along a spectrum,” he explains. “The brain is doing the best it can to rationalize and accept what’s happened.” In most situations, and for healthy individuals, it’s OK to obsess for a little while before moving on. It might even be a good thing, as your brain is determining better ways of dealing with past events that may pop up again in the future. “You are able to address the issue, determine a corrective path for the future, and keep a mental store available so when it arises again, you can address it differently,” Ivankovich says. Typically, we’ll get more chances to rewrite our personal histories. If someone breaks up with you, you can address the reasons for the split before your next relati
Re: [TROM1] Obsessing about the past
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Very good intelligent post. I would call that dianetics light. David On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:15 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda: Why You Can't Stop Obsessing About the Past. > > By Jenna Birch > Contributing Writer > July 16, 2015 > > From: Yahoo Health > https://www.yahoo.com/health/coulda-shoulda-woulda-why-you-cant-stop-124091942417.html > > A disappointment can quickly turn into an obsession when you can’t > mentally resolve a past issue. > > LeBron James can’t get over his team’s NBA Finals loss last month to the > Golden State Warriors. He says he still has nightmares about specific > plays, missed opportunities. Even his kids know he’s in a funk. > > “You can never get out of it,” James told Bleacher Report radio. “No > matter how much you try and say you did everything you did, you gave > everything that you had and you move on, I don’t feel like you ever move > on. You’re right there in the Finals and you had an opportunity to do > something special.” > > > A loss in the big game. A missed opportunity. The loss of a job. A > breakup. A friend’s betrayal. A death in the family. Sometimes we just > can’t stop turning the past over and over in our minds, despite the fact > that we cannot change it. > > Why do we obsess? > A disappointment can quickly turn into an obsession if a person cannot > mentally resolve the past issue, says psychologist Karla Ivankovich, PhD, > an adjunct professor at the University of Illinois Springfield. > > “In most cases, you ignore, suppress, or redirect your thoughts,” she > tells Yahoo Health. “You are able to move on after a brief period of time, > when you have resolved the matter to the best of your ability, whether > literally or by way of acceptance. But thoughts turn obsessive when they > are recurrent and persistent, and produce significant anxiety as a result > of an inability to cease thinking about the particular event, thought, or > feeling.” > > From a clinical perspective, this process of obsessing over the past is > actually defined by a slightly different process-oriented term, says Simon > Rego, PsyD, director of psychology training at Montefiore Medical > Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York. > > > “In cognitive behavioral therapy, the idea of someone going over and over > the past is a process called rumination,” he explains to Yahoo Health. “You > think of a cow chewing its cud, digesting and regurgitating it, again and > again. It’s the same idea. Typically, we see this in people with depressive > histories.” > > The underlying problem is an unresolved issue. “When something is not > resolved in a way that feels right in our psyche, we often find ourselves > stuck in this area,” Ivankovich says, whether it’s from a month ago, a year > ago, or even from childhood. > > It might be harder to let go of something rooted in our sense of identity, > according to Diane Robinson, PhD, a neuropsychologist at the UF Health > Cancer Center at Orlando Health. “For someone like LeBron James, he knows > he’s the best, and winning is almost like a right. His personality is so > invested in it, the ‘obsession’ becomes wrapped up in his identity. > > It’s kind of like the loss of a relationship. > > Think about a teenage girl with her first boyfriend; when they break up, > if she’s built her life around this person, it’s a part of her identity. If > she doesn’t have him, she’s lost.” > > Why can’t we let go? > > The more you think about a specific moment, person, or event in the past, > the harder it is to let go. Robinson says to think of it like a forest, in > which you’re carving pathways in the directions of your thoughts. “The more > you obsess about it, the wider the pathway becomes,” she explains. “It > becomes the path well-traveled, and your thoughts move in that direction.” > > When there’s a recurrent negative theme in your history — like James’s > four Finals losses, or a pattern in your relationships that causes them to > sour — that path becomes wider and your brain’s default. > > “For LeBron, with each loss, the past is cemented in his neural pathways,” > Ivankovich says. “We look back and obsess as a mechanism to gain > understanding into what we ‘coulda, shoulda, woulda’ done differently had > we been given a chance.” > > To a certain extent, Rego says, it’s important to realize that rumination > is a natural human reaction. “The process falls along a spectrum,” he > explains. “The brain is do
Re: [TROM1] Obsessing about the past
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi David Thanks I was struck by its very clear explanation of what we are addressing in TROM and other mental healing therapies. Sincerely Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Jul 17, 2015, at 10:59 AM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Very good intelligent post. > > I would call that dianetics light. > > David > >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 10:15 AM, The Resolution of Mind list >> wrote: >> * >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> >> Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda: Why You Can't Stop Obsessing About the Past. >> >> By Jenna Birch >> Contributing Writer >> July 16, 2015 >> >> From: Yahoo Health >> https://www.yahoo.com/health/coulda-shoulda-woulda-why-you-cant-stop-124091942417.html >> >> A disappointment can quickly turn into an obsession when you can’t mentally >> resolve a past issue. >> >> LeBron James can’t get over his team’s NBA Finals loss last month to the >> Golden State Warriors. He says he still has nightmares about specific plays, >> missed opportunities. Even his kids know he’s in a funk. >> >> “You can never get out of it,” James told Bleacher Report radio. “No matter >> how much you try and say you did everything you did, you gave everything >> that you had and you move on, I don’t feel like you ever move on. You’re >> right there in the Finals and you had an opportunity to do something >> special.” >> >> >> A loss in the big game. A missed opportunity. The loss of a job. A breakup. >> A friend’s betrayal. A death in the family. Sometimes we just can’t stop >> turning the past over and over in our minds, despite the fact that we cannot >> change it. >> >> Why do we obsess? >> A disappointment can quickly turn into an obsession if a person cannot >> mentally resolve the past issue, says psychologist Karla Ivankovich, PhD, an >> adjunct professor at the University of Illinois Springfield. >> >> “In most cases, you ignore, suppress, or redirect your thoughts,” she tells >> Yahoo Health. “You are able to move on after a brief period of time, when >> you have resolved the matter to the best of your ability, whether literally >> or by way of acceptance. But thoughts turn obsessive when they are recurrent >> and persistent, and produce significant anxiety as a result of an inability >> to cease thinking about the particular event, thought, or feeling.” >> >> From a clinical perspective, this process of obsessing over the past is >> actually defined by a slightly different process-oriented term, says Simon >> Rego, PsyD, director of psychology training at Montefiore Medical >> Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York. >> >> >> “In cognitive behavioral therapy, the idea of someone going over and over >> the past is a process called rumination,” he explains to Yahoo Health. “You >> think of a cow chewing its cud, digesting and regurgitating it, again and >> again. It’s the same idea. Typically, we see this in people with depressive >> histories.” >> >> The underlying problem is an unresolved issue. “When something is not >> resolved in a way that feels right in our psyche, we often find ourselves >> stuck in this area,” Ivankovich says, whether it’s from a month ago, a year >> ago, or even from childhood. >> >> It might be harder to let go of something rooted in our sense of identity, >> according to Diane Robinson, PhD, a neuropsychologist at the UF Health >> Cancer Center at Orlando Health. “For someone like LeBron James, he knows >> he’s the best, and winning is almost like a right. His personality is so >> invested in it, the ‘obsession’ becomes wrapped up in his identity. >> >> It’s kind of like the loss of a relationship. >> >> Think about a teenage girl with her first boyfriend; when they break up, if >> she’s built her life around this person, it’s a part of her identity. If she >> doesn’t have him, she’s lost.” >> >> Why can’t we let go? >> >> The more you think about a specific moment, person, or event in the past, >> the harder it is to let go. Robinson says to think of it like a forest, in >> which you’re carving pathways in the directions of your thoughts. “The more >> you obsess about it, the wider the pathway becomes,” she explains. “It >&g
[TROM1] Messages from the Early Days of Trom
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Dear Trom list reader/recipient, The TROM list is a very old list (as Internet lists go). It was started shortly after Dennis Stephens, author of The Resolution of Mind (TROM) issued the digital book, TROM. The list was lively for a while, but there followed a period of over a year when nothing happened. I offered to take over the list, and having copies of material from near its beginning, I reissued what I called replays. that is to say, I went back to the beginning of my copies of the list and compiled a weekly chronological collection of previous postings, and issued one such replay every weekend. The list is quiet again, so I have offered to issue the copies I can find of the replay every weekend until I have run the series through. Actually for many years, when I had got to the end of one run through of the Replays, I would start from the beginning again. What I will be sending, as explained in the one I send in a few days, is a repeat of a replay, I can not find the first replay. A word of explanation: What I received was in the early days of Internet. Internet was expensive (I think in Denmark there was only one supplier, a university) and I received it via an amateur network called FIDO. This consisted of a number of "Hubs" and communication between the hubs and to individuals was over modem and telephone, include jumps across continents, all going through the individual HUB volunteers phone bill. My local Hub in the northern suburb of Copenhagen was called Winboss. and I can see I had two Fido addresses: a...@ivy.ping.dk and a...@winboss.dk, I think I had the second address was set up to contact a Hub with connection to Internet - I have lost the details for the moment. In this series there are 65 replays, so, weekly, we will be going for quite a while. You don't need to remain silent while I am sending this out. Any one on the TROM list can send in either with a comment on a bit of a replay, or with a comment or question on TROM and its use. And remember, data and addresses in the replays may be out of date. I know that Terry Scott died a few years ago, and we lost contact with Judith Methven many years ago. Excuse, if you find it covered in cobwebs - its some time since I have been around with a feather duster! It now seems many years since Pete took over the administration of this TROM list (there have been other Trom lists, which I think have faded away). Pete agreed to my doing this, and remains the daily administrator of the list. Enjoy and imbibe these offerings from the past as you wish. All best wishes, Ant -- Antony Phillips. www.antology.info Danish interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmXZ4X_uYRo English interview Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdgqweh-4WI English interview Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8sGp6AwuK4 English biography http://scientolipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antony_Phillips ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk (+45) 45 88 88 69 Admin to SelfClearing2004, SuperScio, Cosmic History mailing lists Jernbanevej 3f 4th DK 2800 Lyngby Skype (by appointment only) ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Messages from the Early Days of Trom
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Thanks Ant, David Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:34:20 +0200 To: trom@lists.newciv.org From: trom@lists.newciv.org Subject: [TROM1] Messages from the Early Days of Trom * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Dear Trom list reader/recipient, The TROM list is a very old list (as Internet lists go). It was started shortly after Dennis Stephens, author of The Resolution of Mind (TROM) issued the digital book, TROM. The list was lively for a while, but there followed a period of over a year when nothing happened. I offered to take over the list, and having copies of material from near its beginning, I reissued what I called replays. that is to say, I went back to the beginning of my copies of the list and compiled a weekly chronological collection of previous postings, and issued one such replay every weekend. The list is quiet again, so I have offered to issue the copies I can find of the replay every weekend until I have run the series through. Actually for many years, when I had got to the end of one run through of the Replays, I would start from the beginning again. What I will be sending, as explained in the one I send in a few days, is a repeat of a replay, I can not find the first replay. A word of explanation: What I received was in the early days of Internet. Internet was expensive (I think in Denmark there was only one supplier, a university) and I received it via an amateur network called FIDO. This consisted of a number of "Hubs" and communication between the hubs and to individuals was over modem and telephone, include jumps across continents, all going through the individual HUB volunteers phone bill. My local Hub in the northern suburb of Copenhagen was called Winboss. and I can see I had two Fido addresses: a...@ivy.ping.dk and a...@winboss.dk, I think I had the second address was set up to contact a Hub with connection to Internet - I have lost the details for the moment. In this series there are 65 replays, so, weekly, we will be going for quite a while. You don't need to remain silent while I am sending this out. Any one on the TROM list can send in either with a comment on a bit of a replay, or with a comment or question on TROM and its use. And remember, data and addresses in the replays may be out of date. I know that Terry Scott died a few years ago, and we lost contact with Judith Methven many years ago. Excuse, if you find it covered in cobwebs - its some time since I have been around with a feather duster! It now seems many years since Pete took over the administration of this TROM list (there have been other Trom lists, which I think have faded away). Pete agreed to my doing this, and remains the daily administrator of the list. Enjoy and imbibe these offerings from the past as you wish. All best wishes, Ant -- Antony Phillips. www.antology.info Danish interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmXZ4X_uYRo English interview Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdgqweh-4WI English interview Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8sGp6AwuK4 English biography http://scientolipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antony_Phillips ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk (+45) 45 88 88 69 Admin to SelfClearing2004, SuperScio, Cosmic Historymailing lists Jernbanevej 3f 4th DK 2800 Lyngby Skype (by appointment only) ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] TROM Digest, Vol 129, Issue 3
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Well, I do not find particularly interesting looking at the past. What about changing the format? What about creating a blog where you can create posts and people can comment? It seems to me that an open discussion is not a bad thing. There are many ex-Scientologists talking openly, realizing there is much more out there and many other non-scientologists interested in the subject. At the same time there are many other systems and therapies which would benefit greatly from knowing the data contained in TROM. I find that the spiritual and mental fields are growing very rapidly, in great measure due to the evolution of the internet. In my opinion, one of the great mistakes of Scientology is to believe that one man had all the right answers. TROM is a system, a tool and as such it should be available to everyone to use it as they see fit; free, in the sense of open to be discussed and ratified or rectified. Any system, theory or body of knowledge will benefit greatly from an open discussion, revision and from being susceptible to the scientific method. I would very much like to participate in any discussion about TROM, exchanging opinions and sharing experiences in a wide context and in a format that enables people to do so more dynamically. There you go. On 30 July 2015 at 14:00, wrote: > Send TROM mailing list submissions to > trom@lists.newciv.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TROM digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Messages from the Early Days of Trom (The Resolution of Mind list) > 2. Re: Messages from the Early Days of Trom > (The Resolution of Mind list) > > > -------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:34:20 +0200 > From: The Resolution of Mind list > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: [TROM1] Messages from the Early Days of Trom > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.newciv.org/pipermail/trom/attachments/20150729/a57f6023/attachment-0001.html > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:16:47 -0400 > From: The Resolution of Mind list > To: TROM List > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Messages from the Early Days of Trom > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Thanks Ant, > > > David > > Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:34:20 +0200 > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > From: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: [TROM1] Messages from the Early Days of Trom > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > > > > Dear Trom list reader/recipient, > > > The TROM list is a very old list (as Internet lists go). It was started > shortly after Dennis Stephens, author of The Resolution of Mind (TROM) > issued the digital book, TROM. The list was lively for a while, but > there followed a period of over a year when nothing happened. I offered > to take over the list, and having copies of material from near its > beginning, I reissued what I called replays. that is to say, I went back > to the beginning of my copies of the list and compiled a weekly > chronological collection of previous postings, and issued one such replay > every weekend. > > > The list is quiet again, so I have offered to issue the copies I can find > of the replay every weekend until I have run the series through. > Actually for many years, when I had got to the end of one run through of > the Replays, I would start from the beginning again. What I will be > sending, as explained in the one I send in a few days, is a repeat of a > replay, I can not find the first replay. > > > A word of explanation: What I received was in the early days of Internet. > Internet was expensive (I think in Denmark there was only one supplier, a > university) and I received it via an amateur network called FIDO. This > consisted of a number of "Hubs" and communication between the > hubs and to individuals was over modem and telephone, include jumps > across continents, all going through the individual HUB volunteers phone > bill. My local Hub in the northern suburb of Copenhagen was ca
Re: [TROM1] TROM Digest, Vol 129, Issue 3
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org At 09:59 31-07-2015, The Resolution of Mind list (Actually not from the list, all list members, but one member on it) wrote: Well, I do not find particularly interesting looking at the past. What about changing the format? Dear ?, Thanks for your reply and comment. For my part I have long lost major interest in TROM, but felt I could revive the list by sending the replays, which start tomorrow. What about creating a blog where you can create posts and people can comment?People can create, post and comment here. Well, I do not find particularly interesting looking at the past. It has been said something in the direction of a good understanding of the past helps you predict and understand the future. With that you would also better your own chances and happiness (including having fun) in the future I am doing no more, with regard to TROM, than send these replays again (which is relatively easy for me). There is nothing (I know of) stopping anyone doing the things you suggest (but some of them have been done and so far as I know they fizzled out). It just takes time, the will to persist, and the ability to judge present realities (lists, I believe, have been superceded rather broadly by some of the other things you suggest). I have been connected with Scientology in different ways for over 60 years, and what powers of persistence I have will be mainly devoted to recording the many aspects and changes that I have been involved in in some way during that time. There has been (in the general media) an overemphasis in the many bad things in Scientology, especially in late years. There is much good in it, and my remaining time with this body will be involved in getting some of these things recorded. For an example, see: http://scientolipedia.org/info/Category:History_of_Scientology_-_Technical . All the seven things named there at the moment are written by me, recording my experiences. My time (apart from enjoying myself - yesterday I paid a lightening visit to Bornholm and cycled 30 kms in the marvelous cycling country) will be spent on trying to get as much of the positive and semi positive part of Scientology's past recorded so it is available to those who have not been do fortunate as me in experiencing its development. All best wishes, Antony. P.S. One is allowed to comment on this and anything else appearing on this list. (Positive) communication is a good thing. -- Antony Phillips. www.antology.info Danish interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmXZ4X_uYRo English interview Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdgqweh-4WI English interview Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8sGp6AwuK4 English biography http://scientolipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antony_Phillips ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk (+45) 45 88 88 69 Admin to SelfClearing2004, SuperScio, Cosmic History mailing lists Jernbanevej 3f 4th DK 2800 Lyngby Skype (by appointment only) ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Trom Replay B1
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Resent from: Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:28:28 +0200 To: tro...@newciv.org From: Antony Phillips Subject: Replay B1 Dear Trommers, A very Good New year to you. When I took over administration of the TROM list I started resending messages I had received earlier. We seem to have come to the end of the messages I can lay my hands on. So I am starting again. I am reselecting and will ignore most that concern copyright and translation. Therefore this series will be different from the first, and they are therefore numbered Bnumber, instead of just a number. We had five or six new subscribers when the two TROM sites were placed. Previously we had been losing a few. All the best, Ant -- Ant Antony A Phillips i...@post8.tele.dk tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69 Box 78 DK - 2800 Lyngby Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy). See Home Page: http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/ Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 34 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Paul Houle Mon 12 Dec 94 02:27 To : tro...@netcom.com Mon 12 Dec 94 21:31 Subj : TROM experiences Well, I am finally starting to like TROM. I'm still running level 2, but at least it isn't ghastly anymore. In fact, it is even starting to be fun. I had two sessions recently that I thought were particularly interesting and worth sharing. On one session I thought that I could work on a particular problem in my life, so I started working backwards with more recent and less significant objects and moving towards earlier and more significant objects. Running along a chain seems to be a good idea. Then I realized that there was this particular person who I had "imprinted" on and that it would be really good to run this person. Well, I had never run a person before and to tell the truth I felt really funny about comparing a person to an object -- I had never felt like doing it before. But then I did, and I got a very strong emotional response, so I kept running and pretty soon it faded out and I felt good about the whole thing. At this point I started realizing I could make animate objects (other than plants) when running RI. One thing I've noticed is that my experience of how I run RI changes a lot over time. Early on I had to make really, really huge objects and make them look photorealistic. During my last session I realized I could make cartoon stars, four-leaf clovers, things like that running RI. Anyway, in the last session, which was particular interesting, I was running on ~very~ significant persons, one of whom was someone who I had a very good relationship with and one I had a bad relationship with it. When running the first guy, I suddenly perceived this person's voice and images of this person at different times but I started running L2 again before it had stopped on it's own. I compared against two objects and started feeling kind of tired and crummy and then I thought that maybe I should have let that stuff run out. What should I do? Well, I wasn't so sure, so I asked myself, "Did I overrun this?" and nothing really happened, and I asked myself (but with a sense that I kind of thought it was really over run) again and nothing really happened, I did it again thinking that I wasn't overrunning after all, then thinking that I was, and things started to get bright, so I thought I did overrun this and things got brighter and I felt better. Then I thought that I should continue the stream of images so I tried to reconstruct it with some success. Then for the second person I got a real sense that I could 'see' his image in the same space as the room I was in. I think this is what is supposd to happen in level 3, right? Anyway I ran this and got weak changes, so I decided to quit and run RI, and I got this sense that I wasn't responding the way I usually run RI, then I got real tired and got a little worried, but I decide I should run RI and I did, and at some point I started to get distracted and I got the sense that I was someplace else (can't remember very well) and talking to somebody, and next thing I know my attention is back here and for a few seconds I felt something happening in my space which was a little uncomfortable but that I felt very positive about, kind of like a little explosion and then my vision changed -- in some sense it was more dim than usual (usually I think of brightening as a good sign) so I was worried, but there was also something more clear and real about it too. I ran more of the first RI command until it seemed like nothing else was going on, then I ran the second RI command a
[TROM1] Replay B2
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:54:05 +0100 To: alt.clearing.t...@mail2news.lightlink.com, trom@lists.newciv.org From: Ant Phillips Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at fep42.mail.dk from [87.59.200.158] at Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:53:34 +0100 Cc: Subject: [TROM1] Replay B2 * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org -- (2007) list Home page with access to Archives: http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom -- [07 01 19 I found this, which was resent Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 06:49:05 +0100 - ant 2007] [01 10 26 - I could not find Replay B2 in the more recent TROM Replay cycles. Had to go back to 2nd Jan 1988 before I found the following] resent Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:21:08 +0200 also Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 09:12:17 +0100 040501 Note that the addresses a...@ivy.ping.dk and a...@ivy.ping.dk are _not_ Internet addresses. While tro...@netcom.com was an Internet address in 1994, I was on FIDO net, which was an amateur network, where doughty amateurs passed messages on via telephone. The format of these early messages has a header which is that of the editor my FIDO programme used (the ÄÄÄ came out as a straight line Subject:Replay B2 Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:26:45 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To:tro...@newciv.org (Nr 2 of the second run through of resent trom-l comms.) Note the first little bit is the end of the letter I send in replay B1 - sorry for ommision. Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 39 of 289Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Ant PhillipsThu 29 Dec 94 15:54 To : tro...@netcom.comFri 30 Dec 94 11:08 Subj : TROM - Judith Methven need to experience using the techniques under the guidance of an 'old hand'. This I feel is very true...you can't just read the book and think you know it. There is one thing I do disagree with though...but won't go into that now. I hope to finish it in the new year of it. Would you like me to write a review of it for IVY? I would like to submit a report on TROM for IVY. Is the one for the Internet too long, shall I modify it, when is the deadline for the next issue of IVY? If you let me know, I'll do one for your consideration for publication. Thanks for your letters. Very best wishes, -- Ant Phillips a...@ivy.ping.dk a...@winboss.dk Box 78 DK-2800 Lyngby (Denmark) (voice and message receiver) +45 45 88 88 69 --- GIGO+ sn 44 at winboss vsn 0.96w32 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) ÄÄÄ TROM-L Ä Msg : 40 of 289Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Flemming FunchWed 04 Jan 95 06:13 To : tro...@netcom.comWed 04 Jan 95 21:39 Subj : TROMming through life ÄÄ Judith's letter was very impressive. Inspired me to go a bit further with TROM. So far I had just done through level 4, finding the latter somewhat boring. There are indeed some very nice concepts in the level 5 theory. The idea of the complentary postulates ending a games condition is quite profound. Well, I kind of knew that, but then again, this adds another angle. Before getting into doing level 5 itself, it makes sense to look at the main technique for destimulating anything that is found in TROM. Basically the solution to anything as given in TROM is to alternate time-breaking with repair of importances (RI). Overall, that is the two main techniques found in TROM. I could even say, the ONLY two techniques TROM really consists of. The simplicity of the two techniques and their combined use is quite profound. I don't really think Stephens explains them in any clearly understandable way, but obviously he knew. If I generalize things a bit, it looks like this: Time-breaking is essentially to put up two pieces of reality next to each other and comparing them. One piece is from the past or any other Not-Here-and-Now reality. The other pieces is from the Here-and-Now present perceptible environment. I personally wouldn't call that "time-breaking". I would just call it "Co-Locating" or something like that. See, I personally would use it just as much for getting a better sense of reality of alternate realities as I would use it for getting "rid" of them. I have no need for getting rid of things, really. I don't have reactive automaticities in the normal sense, even though I do have stuff popping up in my space that I don't always know what is. "Time-breaking" is overly emphasizing the negative angle, in my opinion. And it is overly emphazing time. The t
[TROM1] Progress with Clearing Work Employing Trom
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org *11August15 Toward Vanishing the Mind* Have established a routine of creative visualization for self and others - in the a.m. and sometimes during the daily break if I feel wanting-ness. Partner coming along with his life repair work and I do notice major improvements in his attitude towards life. We are focusing in on Idenics as a gradient undercut or aid for Dennis' practices. Both practices get the person to look at the past and break it off from being stuck in the present. Both practices get the person to look at their goal sets and resolve them, further discreating the mind. [email me for complete Idenics material] Idenics does not get the being to re-view his original goal sets (the "To Know" matrix) thus Dennis' work and practices still need to be run to accomplish the complete discreation of the mind. In my last Idenics session a few days ago and since then I notice a calmer attitude toward my partner. This session made me take another look at how I was before an incident as a toddler and how I chose to be after the incident, and I saw how I got unconsciously stuck in that "after-overwhelm" postulated identity as a way to handle certain interactions. I saw the dwindling spiral of self-limitation from my prior postulated identity. Now that that is unfixed I find I have not around me the same circumstances that were in that incident and so I don't feel a need to reactively respond to similarities because now I can see what is different now from what was then, and in fact the "then" incident does not even seem to come up in that respect. Towards the end of the session I saw some original games being played whereby the childhood incident was simply a continuation and really not that important at all compared with the larger importances I held even before bodies existed, and in that original incident I simply had to return to a complementary interaction - such as demonstrated in an animated Tao symbol. Seeing the larger and earlier scene helped me to currently feel more complementary with life. In Idenics one is also asked to do creative work so as to fill the remaining mind's hunger for importances. Knowing now how wonky I can get if I don't do enough creation of self-generated importances after a discreation of mindstuff, I make sure I do the "Repair of Importance" as instructed by Dennis as a morning routine. I always get big yawns doing it and then brighten up and the world around me brightens too. I'm also still honoring the body-mind connection and staying close to a frugivore diet which I believe aligns with the "Saatvic" diet anciently recommended for meditators. So, to sum, instead of continuing into a tighter and tighter spiral or fractal of increasingly limited options I am moving backwards through the created spiral, discreating the fixed mental limitations and feeling more "my old self" which is still mind stuff - no delusions about that. And so the goal this lifetime is to continue until I have reached a certainty of "No Mind" and wiser for the experience, fully realizing the nature of (and futility of) everything I've been striving for all this lifetime and these eons of existence. I am gaining confidence that I can DIY my Idenics sessions although they run better when my clearing partner is present to keep me from swimming and keep me on track. Using the self-enquiry of Idenics is an aid to Dennis' Level Three which would mean I am a graduate of Level Two with which I struggled for quite a time and finally found my peace with it after re-reading and re-reading Dennis instructs. If while running Idenics on myself I get stuck in an incident I have the resource to run some Level Two on it. I also have the resource of the Six-Directions command when scenes get stuck or too vague. I'm very very appreciative Dennis brought home to me the importance of viewing the past with my eyes open to present environment: that right there is Level Two. Even with eyes open, if I start swimming in the importances of an incident the present environment starts to fade away which is why it is necessary to have these tools and guidances. I lived briefly with someone who was psychotic and I would notice that they were almost continually not looking at the present environment but rather looking at something from the past. For example if there was a door here and now they were not seeing that door but perhaps a prison door from a past incident and that is why one might wish to cultivate compassion for the neurotic and insane, not to mention good practices to help bring them into seeing and responding to their present environment. Colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Progress with Clearing Work Employing Trom
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Colleen It's good to hear that you are still working with TROM and getting wins. I agree with you that reading and re-reading the material is important to getting a full understanding. Well Done! Pete Mclaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Aug 13, 2015, at 8:21 AM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > 11August15 Toward Vanishing the Mind > > Have established a routine of creative visualization for self and others - in > the a.m. and sometimes during the daily break if I feel wanting-ness. > > Partner coming along with his life repair work and I do notice major > improvements in his attitude towards life. > > We are focusing in on Idenics as a gradient undercut or aid for Dennis' > practices. Both practices get the person to look at the past and break it off > from being stuck in the present. Both practices get the person to look at > their goal sets and resolve them, further discreating the mind. [email me for > complete Idenics material] > > Idenics does not get the being to re-view his original goal sets (the "To > Know" matrix) thus Dennis' work and practices still need to be run to > accomplish the complete discreation of the mind. > > In my last Idenics session a few days ago and since then I notice a calmer > attitude toward my partner. This session made me take another look at how I > was before an incident as a toddler and how I chose to be after the incident, > and I saw how I got unconsciously stuck in that "after-overwhelm" postulated > identity as a way to handle certain interactions. I saw the dwindling spiral > of self-limitation from my prior postulated identity. Now that that is > unfixed I find I have not around me the same circumstances that were in that > incident and so I don't feel a need to reactively respond to similarities > because now I can see what is different now from what was then, and in fact > the "then" incident does not even seem to come up in that respect. > > Towards the end of the session I saw some original games being played whereby > the childhood incident was simply a continuation and really not that > important at all compared with the larger importances I held even before > bodies existed, and in that original incident I simply had to return to a > complementary interaction - such as demonstrated in an animated Tao symbol. > Seeing the larger and earlier scene helped me to currently feel more > complementary with life. > > In Idenics one is also asked to do creative work so as to fill the remaining > mind's hunger for importances. Knowing now how wonky I can get if I don't do > enough creation of self-generated importances after a discreation of > mindstuff, I make sure I do the "Repair of Importance" as instructed by > Dennis as a morning routine. I always get big yawns doing it and then > brighten up and the world around me brightens too. > > I'm also still honoring the body-mind connection and staying close to a > frugivore diet which I believe aligns with the "Saatvic" diet anciently > recommended for meditators. > > So, to sum, instead of continuing into a tighter and tighter spiral or > fractal of increasingly limited options I am moving backwards through the > created spiral, discreating the fixed mental limitations and feeling more "my > old self" which is still mind stuff - no delusions about that. > > And so the goal this lifetime is to continue until I have reached a certainty > of "No Mind" and wiser for the experience, fully realizing the nature of (and > futility of) everything I've been striving for all this lifetime and these > eons of existence. > > I am gaining confidence that I can DIY my Idenics sessions although they run > better when my clearing partner is present to keep me from swimming and keep > me on track. > > Using the self-enquiry of Idenics is an aid to Dennis' Level Three which > would mean I am a graduate of Level Two with which I struggled for quite a > time and finally found my peace with it after re-reading and re-reading > Dennis instructs. > > If while running Idenics on myself I get stuck in an incident I have the > resource to run some Level Two on it. I also have the resource of the > Six-Directions command when scenes get stuck or too vague. > > I'm very very appreciative Dennis brought home to me the importance of > viewing the past with my eyes open to present environment: that right there > is Level
[TROM1] Retraction re Idenics
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Because of the flak I have received about publicly offering to share the Idenics material I am sorry to say that I feel forced to withdraw that offer in order to keep the peace, although I myself am of the mind that all such DIY clearing tech should be readily accessible. Happy tromming all Colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Retraction re Idenics
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Colleen Not a problem. Thanks for the offer anyway. Sincerely Pete Mclaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Aug 13, 2015, at 2:32 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Because of the flak I have received about publicly offering to share the > Idenics material I am sorry to say that I feel forced to withdraw that offer > in order to keep the peace, although I myself am of the mind that all such > DIY clearing tech should be readily accessible. > > Happy tromming all > Colleen > > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Replay B3
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Resent by Antony 14 August 2015: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org -- (2007) list Home page with access to Archives: http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom -- Prev sent:Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:30:00 +0200 Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:13:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:40:44 +0100 Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 21:01:57 +0100 Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:41:08 +0100 (remember - address are _old_.) Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) ÄÄÄ TROM-L Msg : 41 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Flemming Funch Fri 06 Jan 95 02:28 To : tro...@netcom.com Sat 07 Jan 95 07:24 Subj : Co-location and exteriorization Ä The co-location (time-breaking) principle seems to be very applicable for exteriorization purposes also. If one kinesthetically experiences two different places at the same time, it will tend to make them more real, as each has a frame of reference, and it also provides an avenue for moving between them. That is, I suppose, more difficult to do than just visualing two different places or objects. But, potentially much more fruitful. For example, if you sit in a chair and become aware of the feelings of sitting there, the weight of your body, the friction of your clothing, the pressure of the chair and the floor, etc, and you then start doing the same with another location, either that you've been in or that you are mocking up, then their reality will kind of re-enforce each other. Being able to sense the present environment provides a stepping stone to sensing another environment in a similar fashion. Sensing two places kinesthetically at the same time is quite likely to break one out of the fixed attachment to one of them. Also, there is the principle that one has to arrive at A before one can move to B. If you aren't able to BE where you are, then you aren't likely to have much luck getting anywhere else. But if you can become able of BOTH your current environment and another environment, with comparable degrees of reality, then you are quite well positioned to move between them. - Flemming * -- Flemming A. Funch -* / \ World Transformation Project / / * \ ffu...@netcom.com / / * * \ Send 'info wholesys-l' to lists...@netcom.com / *---* http://www.protree.com/worldtrans/* --- GIGO+ sn 44 at winboss vsn 0.96w32 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) ÄÄ TROM-L Msg : 42 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Flemming Funch Fri 20 Jan 95 07:56 To : tro...@netcom.com Fri 20 Jan 95 21:14 Subj : Infinite Games ÄÄ Joachim has suggested it before, but let me re-iterate it here: The book "Finite and Infinite Games" by James Carse ought to be mandatory reading before doing TROM Level 5. The book makes very clearly the distinction between finite and infinite games. A distinction which Stephens didn't make, and a distinction which as far as I know doesn't appear in Hubbard's materials. The only games which there is a reason to finish are finite games. Infinite games are continued and developed indefinitely. Finite games are designed and intended to be finished. There are certain conditions for determining when the game is done, which is when one has either won or lost it. When the criteria are fulfilled to the satisfaction of the participants, the game is over. A finite game is limited in space and time. It is placed within a certain playing field for a certain period of time. In any finite game one needs to give up something in order to play. One needs to agree to the boundaries and the rules. If one doesn't agree, one isn't playing. A finite game turns aberative when one has agreed to play it, but one isn't able to finish it and it is left in a stuck condition. One HAS to play it, but on the other hand, one CAN'T play it. Finite games are freed up, either by finishing them, or by regaining the perspective from which it is clear that one always has a choice of whether one wants to play or not. Now, people usually like playing games, so there isn't necessarily anything good or honourable about finishing ALL games. Having NO game is NO fun at all. If a (finite) game is finished, one needs another (finite) game in order to be part of life. OR, one must learn how to be an infinite player, rather than a finite player. Infinite players play to CONTINUE the game. Their game playing consists of removing the barriers to continued play and of making up new rules that keep the game going. The only valid reason for resolving (finite) games is to establish the ability to play
[TROM1] Replay B4
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sent by Antony Phillips I see the following was originally sent To: alt.clearing.t...@mail2news.lightlink.com, trom@lists.newciv.org, troml...@yahoogroups.com - There were other TROM lists/forums at that time. Now I am sending it 21st. August 2015 in the evening (here in Denmark) and I think the other TROM forums/lists did not last so well! You owe a lot to Pete Mclaughlin for working "like a nigger" (excuse the old and now politically incorrect phrase) to research and publish and keep the list going (I was glad to stop it, as somehow it was not my cup of tea! Antony * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org -- (2005) list Home page with access to Archives: http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom -- Sent previously; Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:31:25 +0200 Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:57:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 23:52:00 +0100 Date: Sat, 22 May 2004 06:22:49 +0100 Subject: Replay B4 Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 13:29:21 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) ÄÄTROM-L Ä Msg : 49 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Dustin W. Carr Fri 27 Jan 95 20:22 To : trom-l Sat 28 Jan 95 07:27 Subj : Re: TROM2 Ä Flemming, Here are my thoughts on your project to add more to TROM. Restructuring what he has is important, as I am sure you already planned. I would include everything he wrote in his words, because I am enamored with his prose style, and I believe he has many good things to say in all of his sections. One thing that concerns me is the linearity of it. I have unraveled large parts of my mind after 4 hours of level 4 over the past weeks. Looking back at past points of time is no longer real to me necessarily. I believe that to become truly free of this universe you must realize that the past is as much subject to your creation as the future. This insistence on linearity is the main problem with scientology (of course in scientology, LRH intended it this way to make a better theta trap). When I 'timebreak' something now it usually just consists of a trapped pocket of energy in my space that I give form in the context of this physical universe, which allows it to be inspected thoroughly and done away with as I may choose. Linearity is important as a being is starting out, since most entry level people will have very linear existences in their mind. As a being becomes aware, saying that all of his/her 'overwhelms' exist in the 'past' is not entirely relevant, and can be downright invalidating when they come across something that clearly could not reasonably exist in the past. A being will also spend too much time trying to validate the past events that he is looking by seeing if they make 'sense' in the context of his/her world. This is convoluted, as it makes no sense to create something and then observe it to make sure it fits logically into this universe. (Are you getting this? I may need to work on communicating this idea, as I have had a steady stream of realizations over the past days, and my ideas are just beginning to solidify.) Also, I am on the verge of entering into level 5, I think, but I am quite clueless as to how to proceed on it. Is it just me or does he never come out and say what to do on level 5 precisely? Could you respond to me soon regarding this issue? (as well as including it in any TROM manual you might write.) I have found TROM very useful as it is. I started with no background except for having scientology Objectives, and I see now that little stands in my way of reaching the state of mind that Stephen's describes. I have achieved this after approximately 60 hours session time on the levels, and about 200 hours of RI. Sincerely, Dustin On Mon, 23 Jan 1995, Flemming Funch wrote: > I might write a manual based on the TROM ideas. If I am inspired enough, I > guess. I can never quite promise what I am going to finish or not. > > I would put emphasis on quite different things that Stephens did, and > include other materials, but base it mostly on the general principles he > suggests. > > So, if anybody has input on what particularly they found lacking in the > existing TROM book, let me know. > > - Flemming > > > o -- Flemming A. Funch -o > / \ World Transformation Game / > / * \ ffu...@netcom.com / > / * * \ Send 'info wholesys-l' to lists...@netcom.com / > o---o http://www.protree.com/worldtrans/o > > > --- GIGO+ sn 44 at winboss vsn 0.96w32 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) ÄÄTROM-L
Re: [TROM1] Trom List Questions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Dear Marcus, Thanks for your mail. I have forwarded this reply on to the Trom list (if you get a second copy that way that that means you know you'r on the list!). Hopefully among those on the list there are some willing to help you. I have also Bcced it to the list administrator so you should get that problem sorted out. I am sort of 80% retired from the TROM field, so that's all I'm going to do ;-). All best wishes, Antony. At 07:53 27-08-2015, Marcus Tofanelli wrote: Hello Ant, I hope that things are all good with you. I'm sorry to be 'cold' mailing you like this but I seem to not be able to get an email through to the Trom list mail. Not sure if I don't have the right membership, or if my emails are even getting to the administrator. I'm a newbie to the self-clearing material and from Brazil. I never went to any scientology meetings or auditions, which I think exist only in one city in my coutry. I did read Self-Clearing by Ken and TROM and lots of old Trom-list posts. I'm also kind of a loner and not sure if I could handle co-auditing. So, if you could pass along these questions or address them yourself maybe it would be quite a help to me and maybe to others. 1) My biggest sticking point is not knowing whether I'm overrun during RI (I can reliably sense changes here) or the similarities and differences drill (Level 2). Should I get a meter and learn how to use it or is there a way to learn to spot this phenomena as a newbie? And 2) I seem to get distracted a lot during self-auditing and it feels like I'm losing the momentum that the process was getting and then it takes some time to get it going again. Would appreciate some tips to address this. Thanks for your time! -- Marcus Franchi No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6125 / Virus Database: 4409/10512 - Release Date: 08/25/15 ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Trom List Questions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org HI Marcus And welcome to TROM. I checked you email address in the TROM list management site and it is good. I removed you moderate status so you can now email to the list. You run RI till it brings your attention into present time. Continuing to run the process will just continue to put your attention in present time so you can not overrun the process. Run RI till your memories of past upsets quiet down and no longer distract you from present time. At this point RI is "topped up" and you are ready to start the next process or end session. An E-meter is only useful if you are already an expert on using the E-meter in sessions. If you have to learn how to use it while running a process it will distract you from running the process and put you out of session. So it's best to run TROM without an E-meter. Being distracted while running the process is your reactive mind (memories of past upset) pulling your attention off the process you are running. continue running the process till these distractions subside and you can run the process un interrupted. This is the "no more change" point Dennis talks about that indicates the process is null and you need to move on the next process in the program. Keep on TROMing Pete Sent from my iPad > On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:07 AM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Dear Marcus, > > Thanks for your mail. I have forwarded this reply on to the Trom list (if you > get a second copy that way that that means you know you'r on the list!). > Hopefully among those on the list there are some willing to help you. > > I have also Bcced it to the list administrator so you should get that problem > sorted out. > > I am sort of 80% retired from the TROM field, so that's all I'm going to do > ;-). > > All best wishes, > > Antony. > > > At 07:53 27-08-2015, Marcus Tofanelli wrote: >> Hello Ant, >> >> I hope that things are all good with you. I'm sorry to be 'cold' mailing you >> like this but I seem to not be able to get an email through to the Trom list >> mail. Not sure if I don't have the right membership, or if my emails are >> even getting to the administrator. >> >> I'm a newbie to the self-clearing material and from Brazil. I never went to >> any scientology meetings or auditions, which I think exist only in one city >> in my coutry. I did read Self-Clearing by Ken and TROM and lots of old >> Trom-list posts. I'm also kind of a loner and not sure if I could handle >> co-auditing. >> >> So, if you could pass along these questions or address them yourself maybe >> it would be quite a help to me and maybe to others. >> >> 1) My biggest sticking point is not knowing whether I'm overrun during RI (I >> can reliably sense changes here) or the similarities and differences drill >> (Level 2). Should I get a meter and learn how to use it or is there a way to >> learn to spot this phenomena as a newbie? >> >> And >> >> 2) I seem to get distracted a lot during self-auditing and it feels like I'm >> losing the momentum that the process was getting and then it takes some time >> to get it going again. Would appreciate some tips to address this. >> >> Thanks for your time! >> >> -- >> Marcus Franchi >> >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.6125 / Virus Database: 4409/10512 - Release Date: 08/25/15 > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Fwd: About TROM, subscribing and other questions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > From: Pete Mclaughlin > Date: August 27, 2015 at 9:30:13 AM PDT > To: Sergei Akshentsev > Subject: Re: About TROM, subscribing and other questions > > Hi Sergei > > Welcome to TROM. > > Excellent, you have discovered that you are playing games and some of them > compulsively. > > Are you running RI and what level of TROM are you working on? > > Evil is defined as > forcing something on another they do not want > taking something from another they are not willing to give > > The Church of Scientology has ruined the delivery of Scientology Tech by > their aggressive marketing and alteration of the tech. But that is their > problem and has nothing to do with TROM. > > Can you do a better job of translating TROM into Russian language? > > When people first get into TROM they talk about it a lot but after they > understand the tech they just use it and cease talking about it. You can see > this in the long quiet periods on the list. If you need to know something > just ask a question to the list and someone will answer. > > The best practice with TROM is to read and re-read the books multiple times. > In between reading the books do the processes. There are youtube videos of > running RI that will help you. These are put up by "Yawnguy" and the first is > at this address http://youtu.be/CUGCXzY74aI > > Keep on TROMing > Pete > List Moderator > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 27, 2015, at 5:18 AM, Sergei Akshentsev wrote: >> >> Dear Pete, Antony, Judith and Ming, >> >> Sorry for bothering you and hope you are all well! >> >> My name is Sergei Akshentsev and I live in Moscow, Russia. I write to you >> not just to be acquainted with but to talk to wiser people and chose you on >> purpose. >> >> Judith - not only because of her auditing background but who knew Dennis >> closely than others. >> Antony - mostly as former Scientologist (certified) and who did a lot in his >> life and observed the results of his doings. >> Ming - as a neuro-linguistic programmer and an active researcher into other >> mental (mind) fields. >> Pete - as a hardworking man with a fresh mind :) >> >> Here is my story: Since childhood we have been threatened about Scientology, >> it was told to us that they are evil, they are able to convince you in >> anything they want to, so they are going to steal your soul and make you >> their slave forever... >> And I saw some, as I thought, evidence - some very intelligent guys mixed >> Scientology and other religious and other techniques to convince confiding >> people to give them all their money, saying "the money" is the only evil and >> all the problems because of money they owned... but it was clearly fraud and >> they're ended up imprisoned. >> >> First time I came across TROM two years ago and it was a not very good >> translation into Russian, because we have the same words but with a really >> different meaning. Thus it was hard to understand but I managed to :). >> Since then I relieved some parts of my mind with the technology but decided >> to put aside the technology and stay at a compulsive games condition with at >> least one subject - called 'to study English very hard in order to use raw >> English materials in therapy'. So it has given me "a hard punch" for the >> last two years and now I am able to continue :) >> >> Now in Scientology I see all this certificates, passports, paid courses, >> etc., so I assume that the majority of auditors just pawns in a game making >> some mystery and perhaps money to their masters... sorry... or at least they >> are just another type of psychotherapists with a technology amongst the >> others and nothing greater. >> >> Then I figured out that there are not so many people on the mailing list of >> TROM, so I asked myself - perhaps it is sort of working stuff, because it >> seems to me that such a mailing list is against the idea (the philosophy) of >> TROM? >> >> To bring the full picture of me and why I write to you I ought to mention my >> compulsive game conditions (at least I think they are): >> about using the technology (the theory of TROM) to make money (become >> wealthier) >> about convincing (enforcing, compelling) people to do what I want (kind of >> same sort as previous) >> about being fit, or even be a bodybuilder (to meet my desires) >> about sex (no comments ;)) >> about working full time 9-5 (I want to have more free time to do things that >> I desire to do) >> about my kid will be struggling in his life (I don't think that he should >> spend the same time that I spent before I understand that) >> about immigration to Australia (why not? :) I'm still not sure if it easier >> or harder to make living there...) >> >> I believe that you have something that will be worth to say to me, even if >> it hard to understand or very unpleasant. But I'm still slightly insistin
Re: [TROM1] About TROM, subscribing and other questions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sergei about 2 dozen sets of the books have been printed in the last two years. Sincerely Pete Mclaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Aug 28, 2015, at 6:35 AM, Sergei Akshentsev wrote: > > Dear Antony and Pete, and All subscribers, > > Thank you for your answers! > > I think it's a good moment to add the whole list as a recipient :). And It > seems that Judith is no longer available via her email... > > Antony, > > I want to clarify what I meant :) > What a typical question is? > For instance: > 1Q: Would you like some coffee? (simple question) > 1A: Yes|No. (simple answer) > 2Q: How do you want to sip your coffee? (not so simple) > 2A: Well, usually I'm sipping coffee at my kitchen with a fresh newspaper, > but your couch is good enough. (not so simple) > So I consider a question as a something that causes another person to produce > some response (words or even a question mark '?' is not obligatory - you can > ask someone with your mimics). Hence my whole message was a complicated > question and you have provided the very precise answer to my question. You > know, the old saying that the good question contains at least 50% of the > answer itself :). Thus your answer is really worth for me and I really > appreciate that! > > Pete, > > Yes, RI works for me - the creative one, starting again at Level 2... but all > these questions and answers about 'which level you at' - is a game, isn't it? > :) > > Regarding the evil that you told about - it's mentioned as The Code of > Ethical being in the write-up :) and you just wrote that in short. > But as an engineer I can't leave it as it is - because if one doesn't want > something - it's only one's desire, that's it. So we could provide some > 'information' (Troy Horse) to them and because they are at compulsive games > condition - they will put the information into play, then within their mind > they will overwhelm themselves, and then they will become into a condition > where they want that 'something' what they didn't want before... > We are not overwhelming them, we are not pushing them, we are not forcing > them... we just give them some 'information', and they do 'the job' > themselves... after some time we come to them and get them in a state which > we needed. > Thus steps are: > 1. One doesn't want "something" > 2. One voluntary receives 'information' > 2. Then the one comes into state to want that "something" > 3. It all done without us forcing them - so it's not evil, and it is Ethical > :) > Where I'm wrong? ;) > > And such an 'information' is easier to give in writing - cause you have time > to think what to say, in what order, and what not to say, it's obviously > harder when you speak :) > One very good example is the Allen Carr's book - 'The easy way to give up > smoking' where he, consciously or unconsciously, is using the same (or > similar) tech 'unraveling the knot of smoking'. > It's based on the principle that many of people came into smoking more or > less the same way, so Allen works from 1A to 8B of the postulate failure > chart to resolve that subject :) (remember that time goes from 8B to 1A) > He is getting the job done by creating images in the people's head with > explanations, in other words, he wrote his book and sentences in order so > every who read them they imagine that scene in their minds, and continue > reading, and imagine the next scene, and so forth. This is the exact > realization of going through the failure postulate chart regarding the > subject 'to be healthy' (to smoke is not erasable). > So TROM showed me how it works and why it works :) > > Bottom line: > 1. Ones who need auditing and understand that - they'll go to an auditor > 2. Ones who understands that they need mental healing and able to work solo - > they'll use TROM > 3. Ones who believes that they are sane, and all is good in their lives, and > they don't need any mental influence (impact) - they are our clients (the > ones who one way or another want to play compulsive games) :) > > Do you remember: > "Freedom is the only thing because of which one will voluntary put oneself > into slavery" > "Voluntary slaves will never give up their slavery if they certain that it is > the road to freedom" > "The mind is full of convincing reasons why to not make a postulate" > "The easiest way to confuse one is to cross packages" > "If you point your finger at something it tends to become more solid and > persistent" > > What about English-Russian translation - the one that I've read was > translated by a Ukrainian guy, and he did a lot of job, and he did it fairly > well, but it is still worse than original because there are too many words in > Russian that came from other languages, and through the time and space they > have changed their meanings. Another problem is in education of the majority > of people here -
Re: [TROM1] About TROM, subscribing and other questions
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Dear Antony and Pete, and All subscribers, Thank you for your answers! I think it's a good moment to add the whole list as a recipient :). And It seems that Judith is no longer available via her email... Antony, I want to clarify what I meant :) What a typical question is? For instance: 1Q: Would you like some coffee? (simple question) 1A: Yes|No. (simple answer) 2Q: How do you want to sip your coffee? (not so simple) 2A: Well, usually I'm sipping coffee at my kitchen with a fresh newspaper, but your couch is good enough. (not so simple) So I consider a question as a something that causes another person to produce some response (words or even a question mark '?' is not obligatory - you can ask someone with your mimics). Hence my whole message was a complicated question and you have provided the very precise answer to my question. You know, the old saying that the good question contains at least 50% of the answer itself :). Thus your answer is really worth for me and I really appreciate that! Pete, Yes, RI works for me - the creative one, starting again at Level 2... but all these questions and answers about 'which level you at' - is a game, isn't it? :) Regarding the evil that you told about - it's mentioned as The Code of Ethical being in the write-up :) and you just wrote that in short. But as an engineer I can't leave it as it is - because if one doesn't want something - it's only one's desire, that's it. So we could provide some 'information' (Troy Horse) to them and because they are at compulsive games condition - they will put the information into play, then within their mind they will overwhelm themselves, and then they will become into a condition where they want that 'something' what they didn't want before... We are not overwhelming them, we are not pushing them, we are not forcing them... we just give them some 'information', and they do 'the job' themselves... after some time we come to them and get them in a state which we needed. Thus steps are: 1. One doesn't want "something" 2. One voluntary receives 'information' 2. Then the one comes into state to want that "something" 3. It all done without us forcing them - so it's not evil, and it is Ethical :) Where I'm wrong? ;) And such an 'information' is easier to give in writing - cause you have time to think what to say, in what order, and what not to say, it's obviously harder when you speak :) One very good example is the Allen Carr's book - 'The easy way to give up smoking' where he, consciously or unconsciously, is using the same (or similar) tech 'unraveling the knot of smoking'. It's based on the principle that many of people came into smoking more or less the same way, so Allen works from 1A to 8B of the postulate failure chart to resolve that subject :) (remember that time goes from 8B to 1A) He is getting the job done by creating images in the people's head with explanations, in other words, he wrote his book and sentences in order so every who read them they imagine that scene in their minds, and continue reading, and imagine the next scene, and so forth. This is the exact realization of going through the failure postulate chart regarding the subject 'to be healthy' (to smoke is not erasable). So TROM showed me how it works and why it works :) Bottom line: 1. Ones who need auditing and understand that - they'll go to an auditor 2. Ones who understands that they need mental healing and able to work solo - they'll use TROM 3. Ones who believes that they are sane, and all is good in their lives, and they don't need any mental influence (impact) - they are our clients (the ones who one way or another want to play compulsive games) :) Do you remember: "Freedom is the only thing because of which one will voluntary put oneself into slavery" "Voluntary slaves will never give up their slavery if they certain that it is the road to freedom" "The mind is full of convincing reasons why to not make a postulate" "The easiest way to confuse one is to cross packages" "If you point your finger at something it tends to become more solid and persistent" What about English-Russian translation - the one that I've read was translated by a Ukrainian guy, and he did a lot of job, and he did it fairly well, but it is still worse than original because there are too many words in Russian that came from other languages, and through the time and space they have changed their meanings. Another problem is in education of the majority of people here - even ones who has higher education do not comprehend terms as they really are, using instead first heard definition at a preschool, or they too arrogant to take a dictionary and look out what the word really means. What about me - here is an endless loop: to make good translation -> need to have more practice in English for better understanding -> need to spend more money because I have to pay for lessons -> need to
[TROM1] TROM replay B5
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Re-sent by Antony August 28, 2015, Dear TROMmers, Sorry, this did not get out to you last Saturday. Hope you did not all lose faith in TROM :-) Note that this marterial is four years old and addresses can be inaccurate. I do no editing, so any one who cares to send the list uptodate important addresses would be no doubt much appreciated by all (I happened to see a website quoted, which I am sure is now inaccurate) Good TROMming, Ant * Subject: TROM: Replay B5 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:35:18 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 51 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Justin Wood <003w...@uwcc.cc.wits.ac.za> Thu 02 Mar 95 10:59 To : Jacobus van der Merwe Fri 03 Mar 95 06:00 Subj : Re: CMSG CANCEL <9502241137.0 Howdy Time has been the main issue. It's difficult to get a time when I know that I have an hour where I won't be disturbed. I entered on level two. I'm well familiar with RI and havingness processes in general. They never fail to bring me uptone if I'm feeling a litle out of touch. I think the items I came up with were a bit heavy. Each time I had to end the session prematurely due to some interuption. For a not so long after that I was feeling a somewhat 'massy'; memories from my childhood floating around and just coming to mind with only the faguest of link ups. Homer once said that memory is not an absolute thing, recall is acheived by resonance with other similar, in chains. I have a lot of reality on this now. Anyhow, I managed to get it cleared up with a bit of RI. Justin cc TROM-L > > Jacobus > > PS. How are you doing with TROM? > --- GIGO+ sn 44 at winboss vsn 0.96w32 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 52 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Justin Wood <003w...@uwcc.cc.wits.ac.za> Fri 03 Mar 95 16:57 To : tro...@netcom.com Fri 03 Mar 95 21:50 Subj : TROM Here's something Joachim sent me some time ago. I thought it might be of interest. Justin --- Forwarded Message Follows --- Date sent: Wed, 07 Sep 1994 10:52:27 -0700 To: jvdme...@itu1.sun.ac.za From: j...@netcom.com (Joachim Steingrubner) Subject: TROM Copies to: 003w...@uwcc.cc.wits.ac.za >Joachim > >You have used TROM quite extensively haven't you? Could you give some advice to a Free Zoner (newbie to scientology, read DMSMH and subscribed to clear-l). He wants to know if its workable at his level as a good start you off solo proccessing and if it is safe. >(Flemming has suggested to him that he not 'play around with' TROM) > >You could forward the mail through me if you wish. > >He is Jacobus van der Merwe jvdme...@itu1.sun.ac.za > >Regards >Justin Justin, Jacobus, I'm doing Level 5 now since about 2 weeks. Actually, I find myself doing some other things as well. That's exactly the reason why I concur with Flemming to be careful with of the TROM stuff. However, Levels 2 and 3 (Object and Scene Timebreaking) is very beneficial and cannot foul up anything. There are several pitfalls to TROM that I will publish once I got more time and also more experience with 'novices' doing it. The most obvious is that TROM is specified only for flows 1 and 2 for the the first two dynamic, omitting flows 0 and 3 plus all other dynamics. I recommend having a look at my little picture on the 9 flows on the first three dynamics on the 'Wiener Girl' page ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/jhs/wg/home.html. if my words do not make sense to you. Use a Mosaic browser or download the picture 9flows.gif using ftp. The flows should also be used when doing Repair of Importances (RI), of course. I'm experimenting with cartoons to communicate the real simple processes involved in the first levels. Level 2 and 3 are not really seperate, since you can't really isolate objects from scenes and vice versa. One would start out with objects and then naturally move into scenes after a while. Only the first sessions should be made in an isolated environment at home. Once the confidence on how to do it is there, it is most beneficial doing it in daily life when the items kick in naturally. Level 4 (Overwhelms) should not [be] done solo before solid processing knowledge and experience has been achieved. Level 5 contains some items that even Stephens apparently is not aware of. I cannot perceive how it could be done properly wit
[TROM1] Level Three Case Discovery
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Timebreaking incidents with some direction from the Idenics command sheet and discovered that I am unsticking from the junior universe of mother. Without Dennis' insights and the self-enquiry of Idenics I was too identified with that part of my mind to have been able to cleanly clear it out. Now I'm able to single out incidents and timebreak them to finally get relief from this lifelong issue. I already went to work on one Aunt and one G'mother. I have to really, really thank my auditor too for helping me in one Idenics session to see the cues I picked up from my Aunt and to drop that identification. It was he who first noticed my junior universe and then I decided to dig in and get to work on it: Level Three timebreaking all the females in my life and any related incidents that come up. With my G'mother, for example, I had a bit of fixation on her beautiful auburn hair so I dropped down to Level Two re her hair and that did the trick for then I was able to proceed with L3 timebreaking and afterward take a totally different attitude towards her. It got a lot lighter. The hardest part now about DIY clearing is deciding to have a session instead of doing something else "more interesting". Happiness is a good session, and practicing being complementary with others. Colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] A Complementary Audiobook - "The Game of Life..."
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZI1cjpRMo&feature=youtu.be ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] TROM Digest, Vol 130, Issue 6
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Thanks for the response Pete, It's good to have some simplicity ready to apply in practice! I seem to add complexities to these processes for some reason. It took me a year of trying RI off and on until I started getting some results consistently. I suppose I need to keep the practice and study bounded to some well defined limits with some discipline, like a routine, as to get more consistent reference points. Also, many thanks to Leôncio for the off-list assistance and point of view. Cheers all Keep on Tromming :) On Aug 28, 2015 8:50 AM, wrote: > Send TROM mailing list submissions to > trom@lists.newciv.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TROM digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Trom List Questions (The Resolution of Mind list) > 2. Fwd: About TROM, subscribing and other questions > (The Resolution of Mind list) > > > ------------------ > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:49:01 -0700 > From: The Resolution of Mind list > To: "trom@lists.newciv.org" > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom List Questions > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > HI Marcus > And welcome to TROM. > > I checked you email address in the TROM list management site and it is > good. I removed you moderate status so you can now email to the list. > > You run RI till it brings your attention into present time. Continuing to > run the process will just continue to put your attention in present time so > you can not overrun the process. Run RI till your memories of past upsets > quiet down and no longer distract you from present time. At this point RI > is "topped up" and you are ready to start the next process or end session. > > An E-meter is only useful if you are already an expert on using the > E-meter in sessions. If you have to learn how to use it while running a > process it will distract you from running the process and put you out of > session. So it's best to run TROM without an E-meter. > > Being distracted while running the process is your reactive mind (memories > of past upset) pulling your attention off the process you are running. > continue running the process till these distractions subside and you can > run the process un interrupted. This is the "no more change" point Dennis > talks about that indicates the process is null and you need to move on the > next process in the program. > > Keep on TROMing > Pete > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:07 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < > trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > > > > * > > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > > > Dear Marcus, > > > > Thanks for your mail. I have forwarded this reply on to the Trom list > (if you get a second copy that way that that means you know you'r on the > list!). Hopefully among those on the list there are some willing to help > you. > > > > I have also Bcced it to the list administrator so you should get that > problem sorted out. > > > > I am sort of 80% retired from the TROM field, so that's all I'm going to > do ;-). > > > > All best wishes, > > > > Antony. > > > > > > At 07:53 27-08-2015, Marcus Tofanelli wrote: > >> Hello Ant, > >> > >> I hope that things are all good with you. I'm sorry to be 'cold' > mailing you like this but I seem to not be able to get an email through to > the Trom list mail. Not sure if I don't have the right membership, or if my > emails are even getting to the administrator. > >> > >> I'm a newbie to the self-clearing material and from Brazil. I never > went to any scientology meetings or auditions, which I think exist only in > one city in my coutry. I did read Self-Clearing by Ken and TROM and lots of > old Trom-list posts. I'm also kind of a loner and not sure if I could > handle co-auditing. > >> > >> So, if you could pass along these questions or address them yourself > maybe it would be quite a help to me and maybe to others. > &
Re: [TROM1] Level Three Case Discovery
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Colleen Nice wins Keep on TROMing Pete Sent from my iPad > On Aug 29, 2015, at 10:35 AM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Timebreaking incidents with some direction from the Idenics command sheet and > discovered that I am unsticking from the junior universe of mother. > > Without Dennis' insights and the self-enquiry of Idenics I was too identified > with that part of my mind to have been able to cleanly clear it out. Now I'm > able to single out incidents and timebreak them to finally get relief from > this lifelong issue. I already went to work on one Aunt and one G'mother. I > have to really, really thank my auditor too for helping me in one Idenics > session to see the cues I picked up from my Aunt and to drop that > identification. It was he who first noticed my junior universe and then I > decided to dig in and get to work on it: Level Three timebreaking all the > females in my life and any related incidents that come up. > > With my G'mother, for example, I had a bit of fixation on her beautiful > auburn hair so I dropped down to Level Two re her hair and that did the trick > for then I was able to proceed with L3 timebreaking and afterward take a > totally different attitude towards her. It got a lot lighter. > > The hardest part now about DIY clearing is deciding to have a session instead > of doing something else "more interesting". > > Happiness is a good session, and practicing being complementary with others. > > Colleen > > > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] TROM Digest, Vol 130, Issue 6
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sergei and Marcus, Welcome to the TROM list. Pete, Excellent description/definition of "no more change." Took me awhile to figure that one out. lol Well done. Love, Teresa On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > > Thanks for the response Pete, > > It's good to have some simplicity ready to apply in practice! > > I seem to add complexities to these processes for some reason. It took me > a year of trying RI off and on until I started getting some results > consistently. I suppose I need to keep the practice and study bounded to > some well defined limits with some discipline, like a routine, as to get > more consistent reference points. > > Also, many thanks to Leôncio for the off-list assistance and point of view. > > Cheers all > > Keep on Tromming :) > On Aug 28, 2015 8:50 AM, wrote: > >> Send TROM mailing list submissions to >> trom@lists.newciv.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of TROM digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >>1. Re: Trom List Questions (The Resolution of Mind list) >>2. Fwd: About TROM, subscribing and other questions >> (The Resolution of Mind list) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:49:01 -0700 >> From: The Resolution of Mind list >> To: "trom@lists.newciv.org" >> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom List Questions >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> HI Marcus >> And welcome to TROM. >> >> I checked you email address in the TROM list management site and it is >> good. I removed you moderate status so you can now email to the list. >> >> You run RI till it brings your attention into present time. Continuing to >> run the process will just continue to put your attention in present time so >> you can not overrun the process. Run RI till your memories of past upsets >> quiet down and no longer distract you from present time. At this point RI >> is "topped up" and you are ready to start the next process or end session. >> >> An E-meter is only useful if you are already an expert on using the >> E-meter in sessions. If you have to learn how to use it while running a >> process it will distract you from running the process and put you out of >> session. So it's best to run TROM without an E-meter. >> >> Being distracted while running the process is your reactive mind >> (memories of past upset) pulling your attention off the process you are >> running. continue running the process till these distractions subside and >> you can run the process un interrupted. This is the "no more change" point >> Dennis talks about that indicates the process is null and you need to move >> on the next process in the program. >> >> Keep on TROMing >> Pete >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:07 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < >> trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: >> > >> > * >> > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> > >> > Dear Marcus, >> > >> > Thanks for your mail. I have forwarded this reply on to the Trom list >> (if you get a second copy that way that that means you know you'r on the >> list!). Hopefully among those on the list there are some willing to help >> you. >> > >> > I have also Bcced it to the list administrator so you should get that >> problem sorted out. >> > >> > I am sort of 80% retired from the TROM field, so that's all I'm going >> to do ;-). >> > >> > All best wishes, >> > >> > Antony. >> > >> > >> > At 07:53 27-08-2015, Marcus Tofanelli wrote: >> >> Hello Ant, >> >> >> >> I hop
Re: [TROM1] A Complementary Audiobook - "The Game of Life..."
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Pete, Thanks for posting this. I had no idea Florence is now read on youtube. This has been a fav of mine for many years. Love, Teresa On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:36 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZI1cjpRMo&feature=youtu.be > > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > -- *¨) ¤ .•´ .•*¨) .•*•. * (¸.•´¸ Teresa .•*¸ ¤ .•´ .•´¤ ¸•* (¸.•* (¸.•*´¨`•. ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Level Three Case Discovery
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Colleen, Thank you for sharing this. As always, you are an inspiration! I can get off track..skipping to go do things seemingly more pressingor..more fun..like cleaning the oven. lol Love, Teresa On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:35 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > > Timebreaking incidents with some direction from the Idenics command sheet > and discovered that I am unsticking from the junior universe of mother. > > Without Dennis' insights and the self-enquiry of Idenics I was too > identified with that part of my mind to have been able to cleanly clear it > out. Now I'm able to single out incidents and timebreak them to finally get > relief from this lifelong issue. I already went to work on one Aunt and one > G'mother. I have to really, really thank my auditor too for helping me in > one Idenics session to see the cues I picked up from my Aunt and to drop > that identification. It was he who first noticed my junior universe and > then I decided to dig in and get to work on it: Level Three timebreaking > all the females in my life and any related incidents that come up. > > With my G'mother, for example, I had a bit of fixation on her beautiful > auburn hair so I dropped down to Level Two re her hair and that did the > trick for then I was able to proceed with L3 timebreaking and afterward > take a totally different attitude towards her. It got a lot lighter. > > The hardest part now about DIY clearing is deciding to have a session > instead of doing something else "more interesting". > > Happiness is a good session, and practicing being complementary with > others. > > Colleen > > > > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > -- *¨) ¤ .•´ .•*¨) .•*•. * (¸.•´¸ Teresa .•*¸ ¤ .•´ .•´¤ ¸•* (¸.•* (¸.•*´¨`•. ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] TROM Digest, Vol 130, Issue 6
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Teresa Thank you for the complement. The more processing i do the simpler the processing becomes. When i first started it was all complicated and mysterious. Now not so much. Keep on TROMing Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2015, at 4:15 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Sergei and Marcus, > > Welcome to the TROM list. > > Pete, > > Excellent description/definition of "no more change." Took me awhile to > figure that one out. lol > Well done. > > Love, > Teresa > >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 1:44 PM, The Resolution of Mind list >> wrote: >> * >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> >> >> Thanks for the response Pete, >> >> It's good to have some simplicity ready to apply in practice! >> >> I seem to add complexities to these processes for some reason. It took me a >> year of trying RI off and on until I started getting some results >> consistently. I suppose I need to keep the practice and study bounded to >> some well defined limits with some discipline, like a routine, as to get >> more consistent reference points. >> >> Also, many thanks to Leôncio for the off-list assistance and point of view. >> >> Cheers all >> >> Keep on Tromming :) >> >>> On Aug 28, 2015 8:50 AM, wrote: >>> Send TROM mailing list submissions to >>> trom@lists.newciv.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of TROM digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>>1. Re: Trom List Questions (The Resolution of Mind list) >>>2. Fwd: About TROM, subscribing and other questions >>> (The Resolution of Mind list) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 08:49:01 -0700 >>> From: The Resolution of Mind list >>> To: "trom@lists.newciv.org" >>> Subject: Re: [TROM1] Trom List Questions >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> HI Marcus >>> And welcome to TROM. >>> >>> I checked you email address in the TROM list management site and it is >>> good. I removed you moderate status so you can now email to the list. >>> >>> You run RI till it brings your attention into present time. Continuing to >>> run the process will just continue to put your attention in present time so >>> you can not overrun the process. Run RI till your memories of past upsets >>> quiet down and no longer distract you from present time. At this point RI >>> is "topped up" and you are ready to start the next process or end session. >>> >>> An E-meter is only useful if you are already an expert on using the E-meter >>> in sessions. If you have to learn how to use it while running a process it >>> will distract you from running the process and put you out of session. So >>> it's best to run TROM without an E-meter. >>> >>> Being distracted while running the process is your reactive mind (memories >>> of past upset) pulling your attention off the process you are running. >>> continue running the process till these distractions subside and you can >>> run the process un interrupted. This is the "no more change" point Dennis >>> talks about that indicates the process is null and you need to move on the >>> next process in the program. >>> >>> Keep on TROMing >>> Pete >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> > On Aug 27, 2015, at 12:07 AM, The Resolution of Mind list >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > * >>> > The following message is relayed to you by tro
Re: [TROM1] A Complementary Audiobook - "The Game of Life..."
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Teresa I did not put up the link to the Youtube video. Someone else and forgot to sign their email so they could be thanked. Sincerely Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Sep 1, 2015, at 5:52 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Pete, > > Thanks for posting this. > > I had no idea Florence is now read on youtube. This has been a fav of mine > for many years. > > Love, > Teresa > >> On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 12:36 PM, The Resolution of Mind list >> wrote: >> * >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EZI1cjpRMo&feature=youtu.be >> >> ___ >> TROM mailing list >> TROM@lists.newciv.org >> http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > > > -- > *¨) ¤ > .•´ .•*¨) .•*•. * > (¸.•´¸ Teresa .•*¸ ¤ > .•´ .•´¤ ¸•* > (¸.•* (¸.•*´¨`•. > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] John Galusha's say about Mock-Ups
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org John Galusha R&D'd what is known as Idenics. Even though John and Dennis came from the same scientology hotbed I don't think they ever worked together or knew each other. John has his version of remedying scarcity. Here is what he says, *"This is a very useful tool to use in conjunction with handling identities and goals. It is Quick and Simple.* A mock-up is defined as a mental image made in present time. However, most people, when told to mock up something that needs to be handled, will mock of some scene or mass from the past. No point in quibbling with that – simply have the person make two or three copies of it. “Make another one, just like it nearby.” Usually, the first copy will blow the charge. More copies remedy the scarcity of whatever it is. Therefore, mocking up something and making copies of it accomplishes two things: 1) Discharge, and 2) Remedy of scarcity. *[Dennis makes it clear that Repair of Importance is crucial for continuing case gain, because it remedies considerations of scarcity of importances.]"* ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] [trom] Replay B6
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sent by Antony Phillips continuing the series of replays of early TROM list items. The following was sent to the Trom list 11th August 2000. [sent a second time as I have not received the first time.] [[last sent to list: Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 23:46:04 +0200 To: tro...@newciv.org From: Antony Phillips Subject: TROM Replay B6 ***'' [[Don't forget to ask to the list if you have a question - don't wait "in case it comes up in a replay" :-) Ant]]] Subject: TROM: Replay B6 Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 18:22:09 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 53 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Dustin W. Carr Mon 06 Mar 95 19:58 To : trom-l Tue 07 Mar 95 06:07 Subj : Trom 5 Hello all, I thought I would communicate how things are going on level 5. I guess I have been doing level 5 now for about a month. My sense of time went out the window midway through level 4, so I am not sure. All has been superlative so far. I hold my postulates in place for about a minute and a half before something huge blows, and then I spend an hour or so doing RI. Not much has come up for me to time break, is that unusual? Not that I am concerned since I am getting very large wins. Doing level 2a I started to gain the ability to get in touch with portions of my subconsciousness that I had not had waking access to before. This is really just a sense of some other type of existence. I went to sleep the other night with awareness of this existence and I had a brief lucid dream. My dreaming awareness is not all that great so I am not able to hold on to a lucid dream for very long before it fades. Previously, though, I would just accidentally step into these dreams, usually during afternoon naps. This time it occurred at night and I am sure it came about because of my new awareness gained from level 5. I concur with Stephens about RI and level 5. It cannot be overstressed how important RI is when this much mass is blowing. After my first level 5 session, I was feeling so good that i decided to just enjoy it for awhile and not worry about RI. I wound up with the worse headache, toothache, back ache, etc. All of which were handled after doing some RI. Are there many other people who run into this problem if they fail to do adequate RI? I am very caught up in sensation in general, so such somatics may be peculiar to beings who are similarly so. Are there any other people out there who have gotten to level 5 and had success while having only minimal scientology background (objectives or less)? It seems like everyone on here so far has been OT, so what I communicate may not be all that real. I am of the opinion that TROM fits me very well. I can see how it may not be for everybody, and I think that getting through some parts can be partly dependent on luck. Yet I am moving along at a rapid pace that is constantly accelerating. One more thing. I would like to add the book 'Seth Speaks' to the required reading for TROMmers. It is quite helpful in alleviating the games condition between you and your mind. It is also quite inspiring for RI sessions. I am talking about the book in general, not the excercises necessarily. I find that both the Church and much of the Free Zone tend to be very confrontational with the mind. This books offers an alternative wherein the mind and the subconscious are not really enemies, just misunderstood allies. I do think that TROM could be hell for somebody who jumps in with the intention of beating his mind into submission with the tools provided. The mind is not going to go away unless you accept it as-is with no resistance (that sounds familiar). This does not imply being reasonable with your mind. My succes with TROM may be partly due to gaining the realization that I did not create my mind purely to cause myself pain. Before I understood this, TROM was hell. Since then it has been a breeze. My suggestion to beginners then is to not enter into levels 4 or 5 as long as you still feel uncomfortable with your mind. The first 3 levels are enough to raise a being to that level. Sorry for rambling so. Happy TROMming Dustin --- GIGO+ sn 44 at winboss vsn 0.96w32 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 55 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : "Dustin W. Carr" 236/174.10 Wed 15 Mar 95 19:02 To : trom-l Thu 16 Mar 95 07:22 Subj : Re: Trom 5
[TROM1] TROM Replay B7
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org From: Ant Phillips Subject: Replay B7 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 1998 09:49:27 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org (addresses may be out of date - its a replay) Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 56 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Lenny or Jevan Gray Mon 19 Dec 94 06:58 To : tro...@netcom.com Mon 19 Dec 94 22:10 Subj : Re: Killer TROM On Sun, 18 Dec 1994, Flemming Funch wrote: > ... > His attitude translates directly into heart attacks, that is no surprise at > all. > > I don't particularly think he did TROM too fast. I think he mistakenly > thought it was everything and that he had handled everything. It isn't and > he obviously hadn't. > > TROM is still a good tool. It doesn't produce Nirvana and it didn't stop > its creator from dying of his weak heart. This brings me to a subject I've lightly touched on before -- specifically the idea of "exercize" as a _process_. This is one of the things that _I_ include in the above mentioned concept of "handling everything". Does everybody in clearing except me think that the body is some useless lump, whose outright _needs_ should _not_ be respected? When the MD's pronounce that walking/cardiovascular-exercize is good for our hearts, isn't it a giant, polarity response, invalidative "not-is" to take the "the body's just lowly MEST" position? Exercising the body is part of 6D, and gives a certain "pleasure" when done in good ways, and gives the "pleasure" of having a body that works. How many of you out there really think it's "good that he's dead" and that "a weak heart" is a valid "excuse" for "leaving his body", or rather, more accurately, having his body "turn off" and cease its comm with _him_. - Lenny - --- GIGO+ sn 44 at winboss vsn 0.96w32 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 57 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Gregory Pickering <100035@compuserve.com> Sat 17 Dec 94 04:20 To : Homer Smith Sun 18 Dec 94 03:26 Subj : Re: Dennis Stephens To All, It is my sad duty to inform you all of the passing of Dennis Stephens. Dennis was admitted to hospital about 10 days ago after colapsing at his home. He was recovering but suddenly took a turn for the worse 2 days ago and left his body. Dennis was a founding Scientologist and founder of the original HASI in London. His wife, Anne Walker is also a long time Scientologist and was the personal Secretary to LRH when he was in England up until 1955. It was my honor to transcribe the research notes of Dennis and to distribute these under the title "TROM" (an anagram for The Resolution Of Mind). This research has been gratefully accepted and communicated within the last year and I am sure that took comfort in the knowledge that he leaves the world a better place and contributed to the quality of theta. Any commiserations may be sent to: Anne Walker 2A Marine Street Redland Bay; 4165 Queensland AUSTRALIA On a different note, my I wish you all the seasons greetings and a happy new year. Best Regards Greg Pickering --- GIGO+ sn 44 at winboss vsn 0.96w32 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 60 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : p...@crux2.cit.cornell.edu 236/174.10 Sun 26 Mar 95 16:05 To : tro...@netcom.com Tue 28 Mar 95 06:39 Subj : Re: RI Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: p...@crux2.cit.cornell.edu Subject: Re: RI In reply to message <199503262231.oaa29...@netcom7.netcom.com> : >I would like some input on what people actually do as RI on TROM, and how. > >I have my own ideas, but it seems to me that there is a lot of variance in >what people do, as the materials are rather vague and ambigious on that. > >- Flemming When I do RI, I guess the best way that I could describe things is that I visualize objects, usually with a kind of feeling that there is a sort of "puff" as they materialize. I have a few patterns that I use to project them in so that they get projected uniformly around me. For instance, sometimes I project objects on points around a sphere, or in cubic lattices, so I might project something up,front,back,down,left,right and/or at the corners of a cube. First time I tried to run RI nothing happened for a little while then I tried to cre
[TROM1] TROM: Replay B8
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org From: Ant Phillips Subject: Replay B8 Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:04:44 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 62 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD 236/174.10 Mon 27 Mar 95 05:35 To : tro...@netcom.com Tue 28 Mar 95 06:39 Subj : Galaxy annotation: TROM: The Resolution of Mind by Dennis Stephens Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: j...@primenet.com (Joachim H. Steingrubner, PhD) Subject: Galaxy annotation: TROM: The Resolution of Mind by Dennis Stephens >Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 11:40:36 CST >From: cla...@mcc.com (Linda Clarke) >To: j...@primenet.com >Subject: Galaxy annotation: TROM: The Resolution of Mind by Dennis Stephens > >Your annotation has been added to the Galaxy in area > /galaxy/Business-and-Commerce/Consumer-Products-and-Services/Books-and-Magaz ines > >It should appear in Galaxy next week. Let me know if >you think something's not right. > > >Thanks for contributing! > >Linda Clarke, cla...@einet.net, http://galaxy.einet.net/EINet/staff.html > > --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 64 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Andreas Mittermayr 2:236/174.10 Wed 29 Mar 95 14:39 To : tro...@netcom.com Wed 29 Mar 95 22:00 Subj : Re: RI Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: Andreas Mittermayr Subject: Re: RI in reply to Flemmings mail: >I would like some input on what people actually do as RI on TROM, and how. > >I have my own ideas, but it seems to me that there is a lot of variance in >what people do, as the materials are rather vague and ambigious on that. I usually follow the RI-commands by creating scenes I whish to happen in the future. For example, when having an examination I imagine the examiner congratulating me for passing the examination with a very good note. That is something like "positive suggestion", but more powerful, because after timebreaking a significant object/person/scene there is now place for this suggestion or a new importance. And one question: I would like to know what the second RI-command "Have someone else create something." causes. Why must I use it ? Why isn't it enough to follow only the first command "create somethin" ? Greetings Andreas! --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 65 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Homer Wilson Smith 2:236/174.10 Wed 29 Mar 95 06:36 To : Andreas Mittermayr Wed 29 Mar 95 22:00 Subj : Re: RI Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: Homer Wilson Smith Subject: Re: RI > > I would like to know what the second RI-command > "Have someone else create something." > causes. Why must I use it ? Why isn't it enough to follow only the first > command "create somethin" ? Part of creating something *IS* creating others creating something. Homer --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 68 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Tron Enger 236/174.10 Thu 30 Mar 95 18:21 To : Flemming Funch Thu 30 Mar 95 20:09 Subj : Re: RI Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: tr...@oslonett.no (Tron Enger) Subject: Re: RI I usually do it like this: Create something important. Have someone else create something important. I usually create an idea or postulate, look at it and accept it. Then create someone else and his idea or postulate. Look at and accept it. The most _important_ :-) for me is to: 1. create something 2. accept that creation, whether it's mine or somebody elses 3. confront the fact that the postulate is mine or somebody elses, and differentiate both in terms of ownership and importance. This process works extremely well on me. Tron At 14:31 26.03.95 -0800, Flemming Funch wrote: >I would like some input on what people actually do as RI on TROM, and how. > >I have my own ideas, but it seems to me that there is a lot of variance in >what people do, as the materials are rather vague and ambig
[TROM1] TROM: Replay B8
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org --_AduQwjxKDFx3eENSBOIOxw===_C3/5D-09624-AAF3CF55-- -- Antony Phillips. www.antology.info Danish interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmXZ4X_uYRo English interview Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdgqweh-4WI English interview Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8sGp6AwuK4 English biography http://scientolipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antony_Phillips ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk (+45) 45 88 88 69 Admin to SelfClearing2004, SuperScio, Cosmic History mailing lists Jernbanevej 3f 4th DK 2800 Lyngby Skype (by appointment only) ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Using TROM to process fear of spiders
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org This a.m. I decided to take up my fear of spiders after doing my usual RI creative visualization. I brought up the incident at age three where I felt I had my first fright and I worked on it first with some Level Two, and yawns and emotional discharge occurred. Thank god I have the RI and the instructs to remain passive going for me because I did experience some unpleasant emotions and sensations. After discharging one item in this incident I started to naturally take a more expanded view of the incident and I saw my Mom and then a whole new set of the typical emotions associated with my "Junior Universe" of "Mother". The scene got a bit stuck /occluded and I did some six-directions to get it moving again. I could probably just as well have done some "Repair of Importances" but I've been trained to use six-directions when there is occlusion in a scene. There was a discharge and then the importances seemed to bleed out for now and I ended the session (so many things to do outside) with Repair of Importances, putting mothers all around me, etcetera. I was also gratified to get into mother's viewpoint too and not stay stuck in my own 'important' viewpoint at that time. There is in my opinion much to be said for the simple direct approach that Dennis takes: get the person competent and brave at bringing up the past and using the techniques to put it back into the past by re-viewing the held onto importances and touching on the particles of emotion and sensation, discharging them - all that he calls "Timebreaking". And then as soon as the person is very competent at doing this - going straight for the "jugular" -- namely the very postulates and their possible variations that form the mind. Dennis does not mess around. peace, colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] TROM: Replay B9
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org From: Ant Phillips Subject: TROM: Replay B9 Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:28:56 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 69 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Dimitry Ivakhnenko 236/174.10 Sun 02 Apr 95 12:27 To : tro...@netcom.com Sun 02 Apr 95 21:36 Subj : RI Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: Dimitry Ivakhnenko Subject: RI Hello everyone, Hi Flemming, >>Meanwhile I am learning to apply TROM. I would like to propose a process >>similar to Timebreaking. It seems more natural to look at the terminal >>and co-locate it with the similar terminal that pops up. I think that >>the less significant the process is the better. Imagined objects embrace >>past, present, future and even more. So maybe this process and >>co-locating imagined terminals can have its place. I even thought about >>running imaginary engrams. I remember Hubbard's "lie factories" but it >>seems to me a much better processing. It's more creative, less >>significant, and of course is much more pleasant. However I still have >>doubts about it. Maybe more serious people are right about "confronting, >>confronting, confronting, your own, your own past". ? ? ? > >Nah, it is actually better to take it lightly. Not much to gain from >agreeing solidly that the past is serious and has to be confronted. Better >to work from cause in a playful way. Running imagined incidents is just as >useful as "real" incidents. Because, actually they aren't just imagined. >What one imagines is usually what needs to be run anyway. Yes, timebreaking with the imagined objects and scenes turns out to be all right. It is not limited to the past. I said to my friend Igor, "I have a lack of communication", and he answered, "So repair it". So there came up again the old replenishing of communication (L. Ron Hubbard, "Dianetics 55!", chapter 13). Why Stephens uses two flows of RI? I think it is a two-way communication. I noticed that for me communication is far more important than any dead masses. I came to the old idea of Hubbard that the essential repair is the repair of communication. I think that the goal of the game is communication, that masses are importantant because they are condensed communications, and so the repair of communication can be more simple and straightforward process than the repair of importance. What do you think about that? -- Dimitry Ivakhnenko Phone:+7 (044) 224 7323 E-mail: d...@insight.kiev.ua PO Box 298-9 Kiev 252034 Ukraine --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 71 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Flemming Funch 236/174.10 Sun 02 Apr 95 07:04 To : tro...@netcom.com Mon 03 Apr 95 06:14 Subj : Re: RI Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: ffu...@netcom.com (Flemming Funch) Subject: Re: RI At 1:27 PM 4/2/95 +0300, Dimitry Ivakhnenko wrote: >I said to my friend Igor, "I have a lack of communication", >and he answered, "So repair it". > >So there came up again the old replenishing of communication (L. Ron >Hubbard, "Dianetics 55!", chapter 13). Why Stephens uses two flows of >RI? I think it is a two-way communication. I noticed that for me >communication is far more important than any dead masses. I came to the >old idea of Hubbard that the essential repair is the repair of >communication. I think that the goal of the game is communication, that >masses are importantant because they are condensed communications, and >so the repair of communication can be more simple and straightforward >process than the repair of importance. What do you think about that? Sure. Everything is communication, and masses are really just accumulated, undelivered communications. But good communication is also intimately intervowed with the ability to notice or create importances. One need to be clear on what to communicate and what is communicated, to avoid that unfinished cycles stack up. - Flemming o o / \-- Flemming A. Funch --/ \ / * \ World Transformation/New Civilization/Whole Systems / * \ / * * \ ffu...@netcom.com / * * \ o---o -- http://www.protree.com/worldtrans/o---o --- GIGO+ sn 299 at ja
Re: [TROM1] Using TROM to process fear of spiders
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Colleen Very nice description of timebreaking in session. Thanks for sharing. Sincerely Pete Mclaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Sep 25, 2015, at 7:00 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > This a.m. I decided to take up my fear of spiders after doing my usual RI > creative visualization. I brought up the incident at age three where I felt I > had my first fright and I worked on it first with some Level Two, and yawns > and emotional discharge occurred. > > Thank god I have the RI and the instructs to remain passive going for me > because I did experience some unpleasant emotions and sensations. After > discharging one item in this incident I started to naturally take a more > expanded view of the incident and I saw my Mom and then a whole new set of > the typical emotions associated with my "Junior Universe" of "Mother". The > scene got a bit stuck /occluded and I did some six-directions to get it > moving again. I could probably just as well have done some "Repair of > Importances" but I've been trained to use six-directions when there is > occlusion in a scene. > > There was a discharge and then the importances seemed to bleed out for now > and I ended the session (so many things to do outside) with Repair of > Importances, putting mothers all around me, etcetera. I was also gratified to > get into mother's viewpoint too and not stay stuck in my own 'important' > viewpoint at that time. > > There is in my opinion much to be said for the simple direct approach that > Dennis takes: get the person competent and brave at bringing up the past and > using the techniques to put it back into the past by re-viewing the held onto > importances and touching on the particles of emotion and sensation, > discharging them - all that he calls "Timebreaking". And then as soon as the > person is very competent at doing this - going straight for the "jugular" -- > namely the very postulates and their possible variations that form the mind. > Dennis does not mess around. > > peace, > colleen > > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] TROM: Replay B9
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org HI Ant Thanks for posting these reruns. I really like Homer Smith's point: > Havingness is the need to have terminals and things to play for and on. > > > >When a game is done the player keeps around tokens. These are hopes the > >game will start again. When that hope is dead the token, the terminal, > >is hidden. And it becomes an automacity - a game going on below the > >level of knowingness. Truthfully, one never stops playing a game once > >started. He plays old games in secret - even from himself - while > >playing or not playing new ones. The only _real_ game one can have is > >in present time. All others are in the past or in the future. Anxiety > >for a game takes one into the past. Sincerely Pete Mclaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Sep 25, 2015, at 9:32 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > From: Ant Phillips > > Subject: > TROM: Replay B9 > Date: > Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:28:56 +0100 >From: > Antony Phillips > Organization: > International Viewpoints > To: > tro...@newciv.org > > > Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä > TROM-L Ä > Msg : 69 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn > > From : Dimitry Ivakhnenko 236/174.10 Sun 02 Apr 95 > 12:27 > To : tro...@netcom.com Sun 02 Apr 95 > 21:36 > Subj : RI > > > > Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk > From: Dimitry Ivakhnenko > Subject: RI > > Hello everyone, > Hi Flemming, > > >>Meanwhile I am learning to apply TROM. I would like to propose a process > >>similar to Timebreaking. It seems more natural to look at the terminal > >>and co-locate it with the similar terminal that pops up. I think that > >>the less significant the process is the better. Imagined objects embrace > >>past, present, future and even more. So maybe this process and > >>co-locating imagined terminals can have its place. I even thought about > >>running imaginary engrams. I remember Hubbard's "lie factories" but it > >>seems to me a much better processing. It's more creative, less > >>significant, and of course is much more pleasant. However I still have > >>doubts about it. Maybe more serious people are right about "confronting, > >>confronting, confronting, your own, your own past". ?? ? > > > >Nah, it is actually better to take it lightly. Not much to gain from > >agreeing solidly that the past is serious and has to be confronted. Better > >to work from cause in a playful way. Running imagined incidents is just as > >useful as "real" incidents. Because, actually they aren't just imagined. > >What one imagines is usually what needs to be run anyway. > > Yes, timebreaking with the imagined objects and scenes turns out to be > all right. It is not limited to the past. > > I said to my friend Igor, "I have a lack of communication", > and he answered, "So repair it". > > So there came up again the old replenishing of communication (L. Ron > Hubbard, "Dianetics 55!", chapter 13). Why Stephens uses two flows of > RI? I think it is a two-way communication. I noticed that for me > communication is far more important than any dead masses. I came to the > old idea of Hubbard that the essential repair is the repair of > communication. I think that the goal of the game is communication, that > masses are importantant because they are condensed communications, and > so the repair of communication can be more simple and straightforward > process than the repair of importance. What do you think about that? > -- > Dimitry Ivakhnenko > Phone:+7 (044) 224 7323 > E-mail: d...@insight.kiev.ua > PO Box 298-9 Kiev 252034 Ukraine > > > > --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 > > Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä > TROM-L Ä > Msg : 71 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn > > From : Flemming Funch 236/174.10 Sun 02 Apr 95 > 07:04 > To : tro...@netcom.com Mon 03 Apr 95 > 06:14 > Subj : Re: RI > > Ä
[TROM1] TROM: Replay B10
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org [Replay from: Ant Phillips So remember most of the addresses et cetera are out of date] Subject: Replay B10 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 06:59:41 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 79 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : ASC Missions Group 236/174.10 Thu 06 Apr 95 20:20 To : Flemming Funch Sat 08 Apr 95 06:37 Subj : Re: Perfect Time Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: ASC Missions Group Subject: Re: Perfect Time Flemming, Thanks for posting an alternate view on the question. Since you are a TROMmer and I am not, I'll yield the point to you as it may apply to TROM. Maybe both approaches should be tested? I suspect there's still good to be had from my recommendations. -0- On Fri, 7 Apr 1995, Flemming Funch wrote: > At 3:48 PM 4/6/95 +0300, Dimitry Ivakhnenko wrote: > >I am interested in the goals time usage since I am translating TROM in > >Russian. As I understand "To be known" and "To know" are finished goals. > >What about "To become known" and "To learn" ? I mean, must the goals in > >packages be finished? What is preferable? > > No, the goals are not finished. That is kind of the whole point. One wants > it but doesn't have it. Which is why one is creating the opposite at the > same time. > > "To be known" sort of means "I really must become known, but right now I am > not". > > - Flemming > > > o o > / \-- Flemming A. Funch --/ \ > / * \ World Transformation/New Civilization/Whole Systems / * \ > / * * \ ffu...@netcom.com / * * \ > o---o -- http://www.protree.com/worldtrans/o---o > > > Speaker for Acceptance Acceptance Services Center Acceptance is appreciation without significance. | (415) 964-3436 Appreciation is willingness to experience as-is. --8-- PO Box 390696 Significance is interpretation, or added-on meaning. | Mtn Vw CA 94039 --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 80 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Dustin W. Carr Sun 08 Jan 95 05:57 To : trom-l Sun 08 Jan 95 21:23 Subj : Time Breaking and stuff Hello, I have a few comments relating to the more recent posts. I would like to say that TROM has generally worked quite well for me, despite having little formal auditing (< 25 hours) beforehand. I was able to get gains steadily to the end of level three, but I did run into huge problems there. I wound up in constant restimulation of something out of this world (A universe entrance point that was quite painful). There was about a week that I went to bed at night uncertain if my body would live until morning. It took a great deal of energy to just keep a foot in this reality. I eventually made it through this stumbling block. I have slowed down a lot on my trom auditing, but I still have cognitions steadily throughout my days. I have developed a couple of useful 'tools' for dealing with life using time-breaking. I have found that for pains and other unpleasant sensations, time-breaking can be very helpful. I am not talking about a dianetics sort of time breaking, instead I mean time-breaking the pain itself. I have found that the pain that we 'feel' is usually much more intense than what the body is actually feeling. This is due to restimulation. So just compare the pain you feel with the pain that the body is actually experiencing in present time. I have found this to be amazingly effective and fast. Many times faster than dianetics or the 'assists' developed by Ron. I have had some minor pains disappear entirely, and more intense pains greatly alleviated. Some of my success in doing this may be due to my ability to time break things quite easily, so this may not work for someone who has not made headway on level 3 yet. This same technique is useful for handling extreme temperatures as well (having just moved from Oklahoma to upstate New York I found this necessary :) ) I hope to make progress on level 4 over the next few weeks. Happy tromming. Dustin --- GIGO+ sn 44 at winboss vsn 0.96w32 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 81 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Antony Phillips
[TROM1] [trom-L] [trom] Replay B11
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Resent 11th of October 2015 by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk *** The following message is relayed to you by tro...@newciv.org this one previously sent: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:38:48 +0200 and Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 19:18:56 +0200 To: tro...@newciv.org From: Antony Phillips Subject: TROM: Replay B11 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: TROM: Replay B11 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 11:36:20 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org from/via Ant Antony A Phillips i...@post8.tele.dk trom-l administrator Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) ÄTROM-L Ä Msg : 85 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : p...@crux2.cit.cornell.edu 236/174.10 Fri 14 Apr 95 12:04 To : tro...@netcom.com Sat 15 Apr 95 07:47 Subj : Re: Letter from Judith Methven Ä Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: p...@crux2.cit.cornell.edu Subject: Re: Letter from Judith Methven In reply to message : >Judith Methven wrote: > >>Trom worked well for quite a time until I hit the following obstacle. In >>some of the undesirable games that I was playing, it was easy to find >>the postulate and to locate its complimentary, but I COULDN'T TRULY >>ACCEPT the complimentary postulate - it didn't really find its mark. It >>wasn't a case of not getting the wording right, it was more a case >>of simply not being willing to accept the complimentary postulate >>- it was not acceptable. So I was stuck, and the game continued because >>the feelings and emotions were unchanged. (I was actually in quite >>a restimulated state, from using TROM). I've experienced something like this recently using TROM. I posted previously about how I was using TROM to try to deal with a present time problem -- well, it seems that the problem has pretty much evaporated and the situation there is under control. The real key, I think, in dealing with it was that I was willing to communicate about my problem. I don't really know to what extent using TROM helped. Anyway, one interesting thing that I have happen while running level 3, and that happened once when I was running level 2 is that sometimes I have a really strong "blowing" sensation -- this definite sense that something is just plain gone. Back when I was running level 2 I often felt like half of my head was missing, and I'd feel really awful but now it isn't so bad; it just feels a little weird to have something missing. What happens sometimes is that when something "blows", I forget what it was I was doing; I forget entirely what I was running, even what pattern of things I was running. It just seems to be gone. Often running RI brings back the recall, sometimes it doesn't. Whenever this does happen, I get very strong changes running RI. I wonder if this is me messing up TROM, or if instead it is a sign that I am doing a very good job of erasing things. I experienced this recently when I was having trouble communicating, so I started asking myself for incidents where I was or was not able to communicate. Well, I thought that all of the charge would be on not communicating. I was way wrong. First I started having good cognitions about what communicating was -- that is, first of all I just timebroke incidents where I had effectively originated a communication. Then I realized that I was also communicating when I received communications. Then I was running on a particular incident where I had communicated very well and all of a sudden "pop" -- I got this feeling that part of me was just "gone" and I just didn't have the damndest idea of what I was doing just a few moments ago. My thoughts wandered for a minute then I figured, I am doing TROM, something weird just happened, that means I should run RI. So I did run RI and after running it a bit I remembered what it was I was running. Anyway, after running incidents where I could communicate, I didn't get much action on incidents where I couldn't communicate. Around this time I started getting really strong responses while running "Have another create" on RI. So I decided just to go back to general timebreaking and do whatever comes to mind. Lately I've been getting good changes from running positive incidents. That is, times when things were going really good and I made a postulate that shaped my life afterwards. Often I find this sort of thing the hardest to run because I get this feeling that, Oh No, I've got to give up this goal that I really like. So then I run some RI and/or tell myself that I can make as much importance as I need, that giving up being stuck on a goal doesn't mean tha
[TROM1] Homer on TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > TROM III > > > > > > > ((My comments in double parentheses - Homer)) > > EXCERPTS FROM TROM > > ACT - 72 > 11 August 1994 > > Copyright (C) 1994 Homer Wilson Smith > Redistribution rights granted for non commercial purposes. > > Page 59... > > "Such is the power of the "To Degrade" postulate in the universe > these days that the basic upset in any person's life is invariably an > overt attempt to degrade them by others. It is usually in early > childhood, or even infancy. The incident is SO ABHORRENT to the being > that he rapidly shuts it out of mind (not-know), and by adolescence it > is no longer a part of his or her conscious recalls. > > Yet the incident continues to have a profound effect upon the being > for the remainder of that life time, and colors his physical, emotional > and intellectual approach to everything he does. > > By addressing the "To Enhance" goals package in the form of the 8 > classes of overts and motivators, just as given for the "To Know" > package earlier, any psychotherapist could rapidly 'spring' this basic > lifetime degradation into view and permit its re-evaluation to present > time (now) realities. Such an action would be enormously therapeutic to > the patient, and would result in a betterment of their whole > personality. Such are some of the applications of this technology in > the field of psychotherapy. The same results can, of course, be > achieved by a person running solo on the exercises given in the > Practical Section." > > Page 62... > > ((CAPITALIZATION EMPHASIS ADDED)) > > "We can get over the difficulty of conceiving of a four dimensional > continuum very easily by dropping one of the spatial dimensions. This > leaves us with a model containing two spatial dimensions and one time > dimension. We can conceive of this very easily. Such a model is a > cylinder closed at one end and open at the other. The two spatial > dimensions of this tube are its ((circular)) cross section. The time > dimension is the length of the tube at right angles to the cross > section. The closed end of the tube is the beginning of the universe. > The open end is now. As time passes the tube gets longer. > > If we now imagine our tube populated with beings who can only > easily perceive the two spatial dimensions ((they live on the cross > section)) our model is complete. We, of course, being easily able to > perceive in three dimensions, can see the whole tube. The beings in the > tube, by their own creativity and games play make time, and thus > continuously extend the tube. We outside the tube, by observing them > and seeing what they are doing, could EASILY PREDICT THE FUTURE OF THE > TUBE. But if we were to enter the tube and agree to abide by the laws > of the tube - i.e. to only perceive spatially in two dimensions - we > too would become a tube dweller, and be limited accordingly. > > And this is precisely how a being gets into the real universe. He > considers ((from outside where he can see the WHOLE THING)) that such a > game looks like fun, and POPS INTO THE TUBE. After a while, he may well > wonder how he is ever going to get out again. HE GETS OUT AGAIN BY > CONTACTING AND REVIEWING HIS DECISIONS TO GO INTO AGREEMENT WITH THE > LAWS GOVERNING THE TUBE." > > From Adore, > > "The Way IN is the Way OUT." > > For those of you interested in running the "To Enhance" goals > package, I have written it out in my own words for you. > > Here are the 4 games conditions in the goal package. > > REMEMBER THE FOLLOWING FROM HERE TO THE END IS MY WORDING AND DOES > NOT REPLICATE EXACTLY THE WORDING IN TROM. > > Being One <- Opposed by -> Being Two > 1.) To Be Enhanced (SD) <-> 4.) To Not Enhance (SD) > 2.) To Be Not Enhanced (SD) <-> 3.) To Enhance (SD) > 3.) To Enhance (SD) <-> 2.) To Be Not Enhanced (SD) > 4.) To Not Enhance (SD) <-> 1.) To Be Enhanced (SD) > > The 4 Overts are, > > 1.O Forcing another being To Enhance > 2.O Forcing another being To Not Enhance > 3.O Forcing another being To Be Enhanced > 4.O Forcing another being To Be Not Enhanced > > The 4 Motivators are, > > 1.M Forced To Be Not Enhanced > 2.M Forced To Be Enhanced > 3.M Forced To Not Enhance > 4.M Forced To Enhance > > "Did you ever fail to enhance a child as a parent?" (DED) > "Did a parent ever fail to enhance you as a child?" (DEDEX) > "Did a child ever fail to enhance you as a parent?" (MOTIVATOR) > "Did you ever fail to enhance a parent as a child?" (OVERT)
[TROM1] Who sent this? Was: Re: Homer on TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sent by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk Who sent this? The way Peter has set the list up you can't see who sent these things unless they state the sender in the message body. Best wishes, Ant. At 00:47 12-10-2015, The Resolution of Mind list wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org ,,, ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Who sent this? Was: Re: Homer on TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Ant David Pelly forwarded the replay of the Homer Smith article. Sincerely Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Oct 12, 2015, at 12:07 AM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Sent by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk > > > Who sent this? The way Peter has set the list up you can't see who sent these > things unless they state the sender in the message body. > > Best wishes, Ant. > > At 00:47 12-10-2015, The Resolution of Mind list wrote: >> * >> The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org >> > > > ,,, > > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Level 2 Issues
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello all :) I've done 40+ hours on level 2 since my last post. I got some gains like buried memories coming up since more than a decade ago, some cognitions about how I got some goals, and a slight improvement in my ability to assess 'change'. Creative RI has been easier to do (less invalidation) although I can't still precisely define when my stock of importances is full. Sometimes I can feel satisfied (calmness of thought) in 5 minutes, sometimes it takes half hour and my parameter is feeling dull (this might be related to my PT problems). Also, sometimes I feel my thoughts sliding back to the past a few minutes after a L2 session and I go do some more RI just to be safe :) L2 also has been somewhat easier, I can sustain the execution relatively constant (fewer distractions) and therefore assess the change well. Nevertheless, I've just noticed I might have been cheating and I would appreciate some help. I have been for a good time now, skipping the objects and jumping into comparing people. Initially it was to detect changes more easily, the objects in multiple scenes seemed too evasive to my memory. [E.G.: lacking singular features, like my first glasses I couldn't distinguish from other glasses I've had. So I decided to skip to people in some cases. And then it became a habit.] 1) Is this a serious mistake? Should I backtrack and just persevere with these objects despite their lack of memorable features? Or maybe switch to other scenes until they become more available? 2) Also, is it a good idea to gather multiple objects in one for comparison purposes? [E.G.: I have a scene where there is a couple on a bench and I regarded the 3 as one object because it seemed like a more distinct thing about this scene] Basically am I being smart and making it easier or am I just making it wrong? Dennis recommends scanning objects first, then people. But, is that for each scene or for your whole past? I also felt like this was a worst case scenario recommendation; like for a really heavy scene. In most scenes I've done I used only 1,2 or 3 objects/people anyways! So long, Marcus ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Who sent this? Was: Re: Homer on TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I also have been doing a lot of wondering who exactly is posting to the list of late. Pete, can you fix the list settings so that the poster's email is shown? And as regards Homer's wording of the to enhance junior package -- stick with Dennis' wording. Homer never ran TROM as far as I know. Brian (t...@equityboost.com) _____ From: The Resolution of Mind list [mailto:trom@lists.newciv.org] Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 3:08 AM To: trom@lists.newciv.org Subject: [TROM1] Who sent this? Was: Re: Homer on TROM Sent by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk Who sent this? The way Peter has set the list up you can't see who sent these things unless they state the sender in the message body. Best wishes, Ant. At 00:47 12-10-2015, The Resolution of Mind list wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org ,,, ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Who sent this? Was: Re: Homer on TROM
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org HI Brian The fix for who posted a message is for everyone to sign their emails. The problem was that yahoo servers will not forward emails that have the posters name included in them. with that setting on the TROM site some emails will not be delivered to some recipients. The solution was to eliminate the automatic inclusion of the senders address in the header of the email. However this means that each person must sign their emails or they will appear to be anonymous. Keep on TROMming Pete Sent from my iPad > On Oct 12, 2015, at 4:06 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > I also have been doing a lot of wondering who exactly is posting to the list > of late. > > Pete, can you fix the list settings so that the poster's email is shown? > > And as regards Homer's wording of the to enhance junior package -- stick with > Dennis' wording. > > Homer never ran TROM as far as I know. > > Brian (t...@equityboost.com) > > > From: The Resolution of Mind list [mailto:trom@lists.newciv.org] > Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 3:08 AM > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: [TROM1] Who sent this? Was: Re: Homer on TROM > > Sent by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk > > > Who sent this? The way Peter has set the list up you can't see who sent these > things unless they state the sender in the message body. > > Best wishes, Ant. > > At 00:47 12-10-2015, The Resolution of Mind list wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > > > > ,,, > > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] Level 2 Issues
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Marcus You are doing very well. as you get more experiece you will feel more positive about when you have topped up RI. For now just continue doing it as you are and if you find yourself being bothered by what came up in session then do some more RI. on cheating and skipping from objects to people keep in mind that dennis recommends running what is important to you. if you have no interest in objects then moving on the people is fine. Running objects when you have no interest in them is dull so don't do that. move on the running what is interesting. Dennis set up the processes to be run on a gradient but only you know when you have completed a lower gradient and can move up to a higher level. When things get boring move up to more interesting material that is of interest to you. If things get two how and you are having trouble confronting the new material move back to more confrontable material and timebreak that. I can see that you are making progress Marcus. Keep up the good work. Sincerely Pete Mclaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Oct 12, 2015, at 3:35 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Hello all :) > > I've done 40+ hours on level 2 since my last post. I got some gains like > buried memories coming up since more than a decade ago, some cognitions about > how I got some goals, and a slight improvement in my ability to assess > 'change'. > > Creative RI has been easier to do (less invalidation) although I can't still > precisely define when my stock of importances is full. Sometimes I can feel > satisfied (calmness of thought) in 5 minutes, sometimes it takes half hour > and my parameter is feeling dull (this might be related to my PT problems). > Also, sometimes I feel my thoughts sliding back to the past a few minutes > after a L2 session and I go do some more RI just to be safe :) > > L2 also has been somewhat easier, I can sustain the execution relatively > constant (fewer distractions) and therefore assess the change well. > > Nevertheless, I've just noticed I might have been cheating and I would > appreciate some help. I have been for a good time now, skipping the objects > and jumping into comparing people. Initially it was to detect changes more > easily, the objects in multiple scenes seemed too evasive to my memory. > [E.G.: lacking singular features, like my first glasses I couldn't > distinguish from other glasses I've had. So I decided to skip to people in > some cases. And then it became a habit.] > > 1) Is this a serious mistake? Should I backtrack and just persevere with > these objects despite their lack of memorable features? Or maybe switch to > other scenes until they become more available? > > 2) Also, is it a good idea to gather multiple objects in one for comparison > purposes? > [E.G.: I have a scene where there is a couple on a bench and I regarded the 3 > as one object because it seemed like a more distinct thing about this scene] > > Basically am I being smart and making it easier or am I just making it wrong? > > Dennis recommends scanning objects first, then people. But, is that for each > scene or for your whole past? I also felt like this was a worst case scenario > recommendation; like for a really heavy scene. In most scenes I've done I > used only 1,2 or 3 objects/people anyways! > > So long, > > Marcus > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE Differentiating Objects on L2
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I at first was drawn more to similarities between objects on L2. I had to work at seeing differences between objects that also had similar qualities. At very least they were in separate locations, being beside each other. Run until no more change. Well done for putting in the 40 hours! Level 3 will run better for you, knowing you can always unstick something in a past incident by doing Level 2. Smart to be careful to run enough RI - takes most of the suffering out of clearing work. Yes, sometimes if my mind is stuck on a current importance, going to town with it, then RI can be slow and seems almost non-productive. I don't know if this is correct, but at times like that I find it's best to face my fears and create more of it and put it all around me until the mind has had enough to go quiet and be in a "happy place". For example, when I was working on my fear of spiders which became severe while working outdoors, I didn't really want to do this but after some days of suffering I felt the best solution would be to create more and more and more spiders of all sorts and put them all around me (shudder!). I started by creating silly, harmless, funny spiders, working up to the really scary part about spiders. (I also timebroke a related childhood incident after enough RI.) Doing consciously and deliberately what the mind was doing. When the mind is really worked up about something then focusing on my breathing helps before I start doing RI. I'm operating on the theory that the mind considers such fears/aversions "havingness of a problem" so I give it a surfeit of the problem it seems to be obsessed on. Not my favorite sort of RI but it does work for me going complementary with the mind. So I say I'm unhappy because of a current scene so I create the importance of that scene not existing, to something I prefer, and I also create more and worse of that scene that I'm currently unhappy with. Whatever works, i.e., lots of clean sinks, lots of dirty sinks. Has anyone done RI, creating the importance of a "quiet mind" and putting that all around them? Pretty cool :-)) Colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] TROM Digest, Vol 132, Issue 5
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Thank you for the replies guys, Pete, I think I got what you said. Perhaps my case may have an inclination to not be so much about specific scenes. Thanks for addressing that point. I also seem to invalidate whatever I'm doing when I'm on my on too long. So this comm line usually helps me pass those invalidations. Colleen, Thanks for sharing your experience and point of view. It's interesting your alternatives for RI. I used that method for my anxiety before even starting Trom. And I also tried to do that as RI in the beginning, but it was too much abstraction then, and I preferred to stick with simple objects. Will keep that in my bag of tools. Cheers :) On Oct 13, 2015 8:46 AM, wrote: > Send TROM mailing list submissions to > trom@lists.newciv.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TROM digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Level 2 Issues (The Resolution of Mind list) >2. RE Differentiating Objects on L2 (The Resolution of Mind list) > > > -------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 16:27:14 -0700 > From: The Resolution of Mind list > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: Re: [TROM1] Level 2 Issues > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Marcus > You are doing very well. > > as you get more experiece you will feel more positive about when you have > topped up RI. For now just continue doing it as you are and if you find > yourself being bothered by what came up in session then do some more RI. > > on cheating and skipping from objects to people keep in mind that dennis > recommends running what is important to you. if you have no interest in > objects then moving on the people is fine. > > Running objects when you have no interest in them is dull so don't do > that. move on the running what is interesting. > > Dennis set up the processes to be run on a gradient but only you know when > you have completed a lower gradient and can move up to a higher level. When > things get boring move up to more interesting material that is of interest > to you. If things get two how and you are having trouble confronting the > new material move back to more confrontable material and timebreak that. > > I can see that you are making progress Marcus. Keep up the good work. > > Sincerely > Pete Mclaughlin > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Oct 12, 2015, at 3:35 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < > trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > > > > * > > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > > > Hello all :) > > > > I've done 40+ hours on level 2 since my last post. I got some gains like > buried memories coming up since more than a decade ago, some cognitions > about how I got some goals, and a slight improvement in my ability to > assess 'change'. > > > > Creative RI has been easier to do (less invalidation) although I can't > still precisely define when my stock of importances is full. Sometimes I > can feel satisfied (calmness of thought) in 5 minutes, sometimes it takes > half hour and my parameter is feeling dull (this might be related to my PT > problems). Also, sometimes I feel my thoughts sliding back to the past a > few minutes after a L2 session and I go do some more RI just to be safe :) > > > > L2 also has been somewhat easier, I can sustain the execution relatively > constant (fewer distractions) and therefore assess the change well. > > > > Nevertheless, I've just noticed I might have been cheating and I would > appreciate some help. I have been for a good time now, skipping the objects > and jumping into comparing people. Initially it was to detect changes more > easily, the objects in multiple scenes seemed too evasive to my memory. > > [E.G.: lacking singular features, like my first glasses I couldn't > distinguish from other glasses I've had. So I decided to skip to people in > some cases. And then it became a habit.] > > > > 1) Is this a serious mistake? Should I backtrack and just persevere with > these objects despite their lack of memorable features? Or maybe switch to
[TROM1] TROM Replay B12
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Resent 17th of October 2015 by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk Subject: Replay B12 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:08:10 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org [Note, addresses may be out of date in any reply. Note that Judith Methven is now on Internet and is on this list Ant, Trom-l Admin] Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 103 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Antony Phillips 236/174.10 Wed 07 Jun 95 16:55 To : tro...@netcom.com Thu 08 Jun 95 07:34 Subj : 31st May from Judith Methven Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: a...@jacome.ping.dk (Antony Phillips) Subject: 31st May from Judith Methven Judith Methven asked me to put the following on the list. To the newcomers, I would say that Judith is not on Internet. I have sent her all or most of TROM-L, and she has put on TROM-L (via me) a transcript of a tape she got from Dennis regarding a question she had. She has never been in Scn, and got her scn knowledge from the book Excalibur Revisited by Geoffrey Filbert, communication with Leonard Dunn, and auditing from Leonard Dunn. Leonard reckons she is complete on TROM (as far as I remember - she has done all levels). I visited her and Leonard at the beginning of May (there was a conference in London). Incidentally I am editor of the magazine International Viewpoints in which various pieces on TROM have appeared (including an article from Judith), and any one who does not subscribe can have details from me. Here is her letter with the beginning cut out: ** The Chimes William Street Ryde PO33 3EA Isle of Wight 31 May 1995 (private letter omitted) Please could you put this on to the Internet: It rather astonishes me that some people want to change the original form of TROM so much and others have derogatory remarks to make about Dennis. (Internet TROM channel) There can be no doubt that Dennis 'knew his stuff' and gave out something that works for quite a few people. I do hope that the original form of TROM will always be available, even if there are lots of additions and explanations at the end. After all, Dennis did state in TROM that he didn't want it changed. See 'Finale', page 17. Thank you, Flemming for your comments regarding trying coffee shop auditing. It made me realize you really have to know your techniques well (I have work to do here), and fully engage your perceptions. The other day I did an informal session which went really well. I forgot myself and just went out to help the other with my knowledge and presence as much as possible (intuitive work, I guess). It worked for the other lady and was marvellously energising for me too. In reply to Flemming's query some time ago about what people do for RI, this is what I do. I take a scene that I really like and go through it very intensely, so that I generate strong feelings. This can be something I have already experienced in the past, something I hope to experience sometime ahead, or some state that is timeless. For example, the few minutes after I saw my new baby girl for the first time. The amazement of how different she was to my first baby, and the joy when I looked into her eyes and saw 'that she had the whole world in her eyes' The knowledge that she is more than living up to that promise and how fortunate I am to have her companionship. These feelings make me glow with happiness and to me are good RI. Or, the warm, knowing, relaxed feeling of being in, above and beyond time, that nothing matters really...its all a game...so relaxing. Or creating wonderful rainbows, or huge parks full of amazing trees and plants and colours, or having the companionship of like minded beings, or talking to the devas. Of learning interesting things, and having fun. Or being on the cutting edge (for this time, anyway) showing people how to create their own win/win games, etc. The bottom line of these scenes is that they create feelings of well being...a certain state of mind...that's my RI. Antony, I've signed on for Ulrich's auditing course in July in London. Hope I might see you there. Thanks so much for putting the above info on to the Internet and for sending me a disk with info. I really appreciate it and hope Kim gets his set up going soon. (He can be a bit unreliable). If you have time I would love a return disk
[TROM1] TROM: Replay B13
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sent 23rd of October 2015 by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk Dear Trommers - I forgot last Saturday and nobody out of our 70+ on the list remided me :-) Subject: Replay B13 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:53:14 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 117 of 289 Snt Pvt Loc Scn From : Antony Phillips 2:235/159.10 Fri 23 Jun 95 08:05 To : merc...@adelaide.dialix.oz.au Fri 23 Jun 95 08:05 Subj : [Ross Bright] Ps forward to Ray, etc (say if you are on the list!) = * Forwarded by Antony Phillips (2:235/159.10) * Area : NETMAIL * From : Lenny or Jevan Gray , 236/174.10 (Thursday June 22 1995 10:52) * To : Antony Phillips * Subj : Re: Re Translations - letter from Terry Scott = Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: Lenny or Jevan Gray Subject: Re: Re Translations - letter from Terry Scott On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, Joachim H. Steingrubner PhD wrote: > > (Ant, pls forward to whomever if you want) > > 1. "The map is not the territory" (Korzybski) > > Even if the map is carefully drawn and laid out as it might > be the case with TROM, it is still a map. And, in fact, other maps of that same territory, no matter how perfectly described by Stephens' map, are not prohibited. It is just _copy_-right that is forbidden (though that _does_ include translation). A rewrite, after learning the "territory" can not be stopped. > 2. If a contemporary text cannot be translated into other languages, > that means the author did a lousy job of communicating his > issues. I think he just didn't _trust_ anyone but himself to represent what he had enscribed. Just what one would expect from a spiritual descendant of LRH. > 3. Dennis claims that he created TROM for the purposes of attaining > the goal of 'clearing the planet'. He refutes the approach of > a 'Church' with the same claim. > > If TROM is not getting distributed, Dennis' wish would certainly > have no chance of success. > > Let's say, TROM has the potential to 'clear the planet'. > If so, it would be highly SUPPRESSIVE to obstruct its distribution. > > The latest I heard, Terry sold around a 100 copies of TROM. > > How's that for a mass marketing ? > > Again, holding back something one believes to be good for mankind > is the worst possible thing a person can do. >From the specific situation, we must _assume_ that a new version must be "written" and _not_ just "translated". That approach _does_ reserve the specific "purity" he wanted reserving, without violating any integrity. The result of "clearing the planet" can _not_ be obtained any other way via what has been set up -- unless one considers waiting until the copy- right expires. > 4. Ant said, 'a large percentage of the worlds population' does > not speak English. I would say 'only a small percentage of the worlds > population' does speak English, and 'only a VERY small percentage of the > worlds population' speaks English so well that 'key concepts [that] > are sometimes very fine and exact ... expressed .. .very carefully in > English.' can be understood. > > 5. As regarding Ann Stephens, as far as I know, contacts were attempted > but she never responded so far. > > 6. Per Terry 'translation [..] would be unethical and illegal'. His > statement, from a legal standpoint, is nonsense. It's _not_ nonsense. Just as-is it and move on. > 7. Dennis himself was VERY WELL AWARE of Internet activities, and > he exchanged mail with (at least) me, Homer, and Flemming about > the subject. He did get summaries from the first days of TROM-L > and posts from a.c.t on the subject. A summary is not a copyright violation. > 8. Dennis' own responses to questions of Marc and me (both Germans) > showed a complete lack of understanding for languages other than > English. Even to the danger of being rude and disrespectful, he > seemed to not understand basic things about 'language' in general, > hence, perhaps, his position on translations. > > 9. I'm all for leaving the English TROM untouched. If at all, a > version should be written from scratch that refrains from using > scientologese and that has more digestable explanations. > > 10. Dennis states, in TROM, that it would be 'quite free' in especially > because of its antithetical character to the 'Church' of which > he was a member for many, ma
Re: [TROM1] TROM: Replay B13
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org << Sent 23rd of October 2015 by *ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk *Dear Trommers - I forgot last Saturday and nobody out of our 70+ on the list remided me :-) Subject: Replay B13 >> Hi Ant. You did not. I received "Resent 17th of October 2015 by *ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk *Subject: Replay B12 Thanks Leoncio ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] The Enlightenment by Alan Holmes
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org You will like this: http://www.unicusmagazine.com/PDF/the_enlightenment.pdf colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] TROM: Replay B13
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Send 25th of October 2015 by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk Dear Leoncio, Oh dear! I cannot emphasise enough times that these are replays of the past. I did failed to send a replay in 1998! Thanks for the message anyway, All best wishes, Ant. At 15:22 24-10-2015, The Resolution of Mind list wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org << Sent 23rd of October 2015 by  ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk Dear Trommers - I forgot last Saturday and nobody out of our 70+ on the list remided me :-) Subject:             Replay B13  >> Hi Ant. You did not. I received "Resent 17th of October 2015 by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk Subject: Replay B12 Thanks Leoncio ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] The Enlightenment by Alan Holmes
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Collen I liked very much. Thank you Leoncio 2015-10-25 1:18 GMT-02:00 The Resolution of Mind list : > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > > You will like this: > > http://www.unicusmagazine.com/PDF/the_enlightenment.pdf > > colleen > > > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > > -- Leôncio Saraiva Madruga ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE The Finder's Course
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I've been following this R&D effort into spiritual enlightenment: Here is one video of someone who went through the Finder's Course. From what I've learned and experienced learning from and doing Trom I can relate to some of what he is saying, especially where he talks about the need to run both positive and negative "psychology", which Dennis handled with RI paired with Timebreaking: http://thefinderscourse.com/wyn colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Some Personal Progress with TROM - Game Strategies as Identities
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org This being has come a long way since it decided to have such a visceral experience, playing with cause and effect. There has not been much to write home about because I've created an environment wherein not much severely aggravates the unconscious reactive mind, although I'm aware it is still a sleeping giant and the work is not done; however I have not been aggressively handling my mind other than a daily practice of RI, and some occasional timebreaking, for example my recent handling of fear of spiders, and then another larger, related fear underneath that. Recently I re-listened several times to Dennis' two lectures - The Philosophy of TROM and The Game Strategy - to inspire me and to stir up my case. It worked! Over the past few days my case did get stirred up and I forced myself to take a look at my compulsion re the junior goals package of "To Help". No matter how life-oriented a goals package is, when it is compulsive I run the risk of violating the ethics of force and prevention when interacting with the considerations of force and prevention that another holds onto. This is where I realized it is important to understand the components of game strategies. There are four legs or basic choices of any goals package and I am as happy as I can correctly decide how to employ them when interacting with self and others. I was at the same time falling in love with the goals package of "To Reason, to Logic". All life oriented goals packages are beautiful and when employed WITHOUT ANY BIAS for one leg or another one's life is beautiful and one gets along quite well in this universe with the creator's intention. This is where Dennis' Level Five activities resolve that problem once and for all. Non-life goals, such as "To Hate", "To Degrade" are nested under their respective life-oriented goals package. For example, "To Degrade" is nested under "To Enhance". Dennis gives very strict instructions that when encountering a non-life goal to never attempt to resolve it other than through resolving held onto importances from the past of the associated life-oriented goals package. So, in an extreme case regarding "To Degrade" I would be plugging in each of the four legs of "To Enhance" and timebreak any charge and past scenes tagged with them and so bring the whole goals package into balance, unaffected negatively by anything from the past; nor would I be using that as a cover for some game strategy. I would then be able to interact with others in a perfectly balanced and rhythmic exchange with the basic life-oriented postulates of this universe. No more hate and degradation. No more insistence on forcing or preventing help. No more stuck game strategies as ways of being. While meditating upon all this I took a look at the public persona of Eckhardt Tolle and as far as I could detect he seemed to me to be an example of one who is not particularly stuck in any one leg of the "To Know" goals package. At least not compared with my own condition. I don't perceive that he particularly "must know" or "must be known" or "must not know" or "must not be known", and he seems to be able to interact with people who seek him out without overwhelming them. I wouldn't however say the same for the Dalai Lama. This is where I need to learn more about game strategies because wholly successful personas can be created to be a game strategy. We believe we really are that identity and we get largely rewarded for it. This is where the study of "The Game Strategy" becomes important for getting wise about games and staying out of trouble. In his lecture, Dennis gives the four necessary components of a game strategy. From Dennis' observations, almost anyone who had a childhood has extant game strategies. So, coincident with listening to Dennis, my case got jumpstarted a few days ago when I received a surprisingly negative phone call in the dark of the night from someone who violently opposed my attempt to help in a situation. I went reactive and nursed my injury while I was trying to understand "what just happened?!". I immediately saw my own to-help compulsion and took some charge off it, but something still hung fire. There was a secretive aspect to what I did to help, however logically, using reason, there really was no way I could have created a real threat as I was being accused, so the "other" was also blowing up because a successful and fixed way of being was under threat. The powderkeg Dennis talks about in his lecture, The Game Strategy. Of course, senior to "To Help" is my favorite leg of the "To Know" package, i.e., "Must be Known". Must create an effect to be known by, and what better effect than to help. It ever hardly occurs to me that it might be better in a situation to "not help". If I had only knocked out the compulsive aspect of my help and chosen to wait to communicate and get agreement, or no agreement my compulsio
Re: [TROM1] Some Personal Progress with TROM - Game Strategies as Identities
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Colleen Nice to hear from you and a very nice job of handling your incidents. Very Well Done Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Oct 30, 2015, at 5:58 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > This being has come a long way since it decided to have such a visceral > experience, playing with cause and effect. There has not been much to write > home about because I've created an environment wherein not much severely > aggravates the unconscious reactive mind, although I'm aware it is still a > sleeping giant and the work is not done; however I have not been aggressively > handling my mind other than a daily practice of RI, and some occasional > timebreaking, for example my recent handling of fear of spiders, and then > another larger, related fear underneath that. > > Recently I re-listened several times to Dennis' two lectures - The Philosophy > of TROM and The Game Strategy - to inspire me and to stir up my case. It > worked! > > Over the past few days my case did get stirred up and I forced myself to take > a look at my compulsion re the junior goals package of "To Help". No matter > how life-oriented a goals package is, when it is compulsive I run the risk of > violating the ethics of force and prevention when interacting with the > considerations of force and prevention that another holds onto. > > This is where I realized it is important to understand the components of game > strategies. > > There are four legs or basic choices of any goals package and I am as happy > as I can correctly decide how to employ them when interacting with self and > others. > > I was at the same time falling in love with the goals package of "To Reason, > to Logic". All life oriented goals packages are beautiful and when employed > WITHOUT ANY BIAS for one leg or another one's life is beautiful and one gets > along quite well in this universe with the creator's intention. This is where > Dennis' Level Five activities resolve that problem once and for all. > > Non-life goals, such as "To Hate", "To Degrade" are nested under their > respective life-oriented goals package. For example, "To Degrade" is nested > under "To Enhance". Dennis gives very strict instructions that when > encountering a non-life goal to never attempt to resolve it other than > through resolving held onto importances from the past of the associated > life-oriented goals package. So, in an extreme case regarding "To Degrade" I > would be plugging in each of the four legs of "To Enhance" and timebreak any > charge and past scenes tagged with them and so bring the whole goals package > into balance, unaffected negatively by anything from the past; nor would I be > using that as a cover for some game strategy. > > I would then be able to interact with others in a perfectly balanced and > rhythmic exchange with the basic life-oriented postulates of this universe. > No more hate and degradation. No more insistence on forcing or preventing > help. No more stuck game strategies as ways of being. > > While meditating upon all this I took a look at the public persona of > Eckhardt Tolle and as far as I could detect he seemed to me to be an example > of one who is not particularly stuck in any one leg of the "To Know" goals > package. At least not compared with my own condition. I don't perceive that > he particularly "must know" or "must be known" or "must not know" or "must > not be known", and he seems to be able to interact with people who seek him > out without overwhelming them. I wouldn't however say the same for the Dalai > Lama. This is where I need to learn more about game strategies because wholly > successful personas can be created to be a game strategy. We believe we > really are that identity and we get largely rewarded for it. > > This is where the study of "The Game Strategy" becomes important for getting > wise about games and staying out of trouble. In his lecture, Dennis gives the > four necessary components of a game strategy. From Dennis' observations, > almost anyone who had a childhood has extant game strategies. > > So, coincident with listening to Dennis, my case got jumpstarted a few days > ago when I received a surprisingly negative phone call in the dark of the > night from someone who violently opposed my attempt to help in a situation. I > went reactive and nursed my i
[TROM1] Replay B14
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sent 31st of October 2015 by: ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk Subject: TROM Replay B14 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:00:49 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org These got missed out of B13, and fit in that sequence (the number on the messages is in my FidoPoint editor, which I used at that time to receive TROM-l) -- Ant Antony A Phillips i...@post8.tele.dk tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69 Box 78 DK - 2800 Lyngby Editor, International Viewpoints (= IVy). See Home Page: http://home8.inet.tele.dk/ivy/ Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 118 of 289 Snt Pvt Loc Scn From : Antony Phillips 2:235/159.10 Fri 23 Jun 95 08:07 To : merc...@adelaide.dialix.oz.au Fri 23 Jun 95 08:07 Subj : [Ross Bright] Trom mailing list (more of!!!) = * Forwarded by Antony Phillips (2:235/159.10) * Area : NETMAIL * From : ci...@aol.com, 236/174.10 (Thursday June 22 1995 18:24) * To : Antony Phillips * Subj : Question about Level 2 = Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: ci...@aol.com Subject: Question about Level 2 At this point I have run a little more than 10 hours of Level 2 on myself. I am working with "persons" as the object from the past scene, and things seem to be going well. I find myself slipping into Level 3 almost automatically. The scene becomes more solid and I see more things surrounding the person, then the scene seems to actually float in PT in front of me. Things feel pretty good up to that point. But as I continue from there, I get a little dullness and tend to get rather scattered. It gets harder to concentrate on what I'm doing. If I stop there and do RI, I brighten up considerably. My question is this -- am I overrunning the object? Are these symptoms of overrun, or should I get back to the same object after doing the RI? Overrun indicates somewhat to me, but I don't feel a certainty either way. These indications are, after all, changes, so maybe I'm still getting change with the process and should continue. Any opinions? Bill -+- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 = Greetings, /ÄÄÄ\ | Ant | Antony A Phillips \ÄÄÄ/ Internet address: a...@jacome.ping.dk tlf: (+45) 45 88 88 69 Box 78 DK - 2800 Lyngby --- GoldED 2.42.G0214+ - Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 122 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : "Joachim H. Steingrubner PhD" 236/174.10 Thu 22 Jun 95 18:05 To : tro...@netcom.com Sat 24 Jun 95 05:22 Subj : Timebreaking/Time Blaster/Parallelisator was:Dimi's resp to Terry.. Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: "Joachim H. Steingrubner PhD" Subject: Timebreaking/Time Blaster/Parallelisator was:Dimi's resp to Terry... >- As to me, in the best Russian traditions of rough solutions I am > running TROM-like process from Rowland Barkley's L13 Rundown, Track > Blaster, with my friend as an auditor. Still sane. Any advices? > > I wonder did Rowland Barkley know about TROM when writing L13, after all > they were both in Australia. Maybe he can tell something more about > TROM and such processes. Timebreaking and Time Track Blaster are basically the same process. I did something similar in 1986, calling it at the time 'Parallelisator' for a lack of a better name and described it even briefly in 'The Tales from Under the Galley'. It is basic, logical tech, which, I'm sure had some forerunner in Tibetan or other spiritual cultures... I got badly stuck in '84 for exactly the reasons that Rowland describes in 'Excalibur Revisited'. Rowland kind of advices against this process unless one has a decent auditor in the vicinity. But he also comments on the tremendous power of it, 'tearing the timetrack apart'. Some results posted on trom-l indicated those problems which were experienced by about everybody who did not have an auditor t
[TROM1] Thank you Colleen
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Very helpful insights! Llewellin This being has come a long way since it decided to have such a visceral > experience, playing with cause and effect. There has not been much to write > home about because I've created an environment wherein not much severely > aggravates the unconscious reactive mind, although I'm aware it is still a > sleeping giant and the work is not done; however I have not been > aggressively handling my mind other than a daily practice of RI, and some > occasional timebreaking, for example my recent handling of fear of spiders, > and then another larger, related fear underneath that. > > Recently I re-listened several times to Dennis' two lectures - The > Philosophy of TROM and The Game Strategy - to inspire me and to stir up my > case. It worked! > > Over the past few days my case did get stirred up and I forced myself to > take a look at my compulsion re the junior goals package of "To Help". No > matter how life-oriented a goals package is, when it is compulsive I run > the risk of violating the ethics of force and prevention when interacting > with the considerations of force and prevention that another holds onto. > > This is where I realized it is important to understand the components of > game strategies. > > There are four legs or basic choices of any goals package and I am as happy > as I can correctly decide how to employ them when interacting with self and > others. > > I was at the same time falling in love with the goals package of "To > Reason, to Logic". All life oriented goals packages are beautiful and when > employed WITHOUT ANY BIAS for one leg or another one's life is beautiful > and one gets along quite well in this universe with the creator's > intention. This is where Dennis' Level Five activities resolve that problem > once and for all. > > Non-life goals, such as "To Hate", "To Degrade" are nested under their > respective life-oriented goals package. For example, "To Degrade" is nested > under "To Enhance". Dennis gives very strict instructions that when > encountering a non-life goal to never attempt to resolve it other than > through resolving held onto importances from the past of the associated > life-oriented goals package. So, in an extreme case regarding "To Degrade" > I would be plugging in each of the four legs of "To Enhance" and timebreak > any charge and past scenes tagged with them and so bring the whole goals > package into balance, unaffected negatively by anything from the past; nor > would I be using that as a cover for some game strategy. > > I would then be able to interact with others in a perfectly balanced and > rhythmic exchange with the basic life-oriented postulates of this universe. > No more hate and degradation. No more insistence on forcing or preventing > help. No more stuck game strategies as ways of being. > > While meditating upon all this I took a look at the public persona of > Eckhardt Tolle and as far as I could detect he seemed to me to be an > example of one who is not particularly stuck in any one leg of the "To > Know" goals package. At least not compared with my own condition. I don't > perceive that he particularly "must know" or "must be known" or "must not > know" or "must not be known", and he seems to be able to interact with > people who seek him out without overwhelming them. I wouldn't however say > the same for the Dalai Lama. This is where I need to learn more about game > strategies because wholly successful personas can be created to be a game > strategy. We believe we really are that identity and we get largely > rewarded for it. > > This is where the study of "The Game Strategy" becomes important for > getting wise about games and staying out of trouble. In his lecture, Dennis > gives the four necessary components of a game strategy. From Dennis' > observations, almost anyone who had a childhood has extant game strategies. > > So, coincident with listening to Dennis, my case got jumpstarted a few days > ago when I received a surprisingly negative phone call in the dark of the > night from someone who violently opposed my attempt to help in a situation. > I went reactive and nursed my injury while I was trying to understand "what > just happened?!". I immediately saw my own to-help compulsion and took some > charge off it, but something still hung fire. > > There was a secretive aspect to what I did to help, however logically, > using reason, there really was no way I could have created a real threat as > I was being accused, so the "other" was also blowing up because a > successful and fixed way of being was under threat. The powderkeg Dennis > talks about in his lecture, The Game Strategy. > > Of course, senior to "To Help" is my favorite leg of the "To Know" package, > i.e., "Must be Known". Must create an effect to be known by, and what > better effect than to help. It ever hardly occurs to me that it might b
Re: [TROM1] Game Strategies Feedback for Llewelin
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello, Llewelin, you are welcome. Dennis did not want to give any examples of game strategies. I suppose that the strategy that employs a promising flow of false ARC (affinity-reality-communication) might be quite common however and it does fulfill some of the requirements of a true game strategy. There might even be some GS's peculiar to each leg of the To Know package. ARMED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE of the components of a GS I'm finding it fairly easy to examine my parents for GS's, and to start to take the fixedness off my own game strategies by timebreaking childhood incidents. With the help of the Six Directions process one is bound to start seeing where they decided to use a GS after seeing that it worked and after running out charge from having a GS first used on oneself. At the very least, in my case, timebreaking early family incidents is helping me better interact with people in present time... not react so strongly due to them reminding me of a past. Life is beautiful when one interacts with self and others untroubled by hidden and/or severely justified non-life goals, and I was feeling okay until I decided to learn about and explore GS's resulting in restimulation of pertinent case. The solution at Level 3 is for me to simply focus to get life with family members timebroken for at least a partial erasure :-)) colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] RE The Awakened Seeker
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I am listening to Tony Parson and see a bit how what he says relates to Trom. I am wondering if this is ho someone would talk once they've completed TROM?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUSGiWV0kqE colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] RE The Awakened Seeker
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Colleen I have not completed TROM. However, I listened to Tony Parsons and while i can see that he might be referring to a viewpoint of a person who had rejoined the entity from which we all separated to become individuals I don't want to lose my individuality to that extent. I see my end point of TROM as being free from the compulsive games condition and an expert at recognizing the games that others are playing still, with the joyful state of lacking nothing. I will still be me at this point and not some collective we. Sincerely Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Nov 3, 2015, at 7:24 AM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > I am listening to Tony Parson and see a bit how what he says relates to Trom. > I am wondering if this is ho someone would talk once they've completed TROM?? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUSGiWV0kqE > > colleen > > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] RE The Awakened Seeker
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Colleen, You might like to watch Mooji, Adyashanti or Rupert Spira (all have many vids on youtube) to see how their beingness compares to Tony's. Like Pete, I have not finished TROM. You might want to also consider Dennis' own beingness reflected in his lectures, some only a few months before his death. While Pete may not wish to loose his idividuality (at this stage of his journey) I think that doing TROM can bring one to, or closer to, being that which you really are. If the great sages are correct then individuality / Identity is just a package of postulates, nothing more. Whether a person comes to see this doing TROM I can't say at this stage of my journey in doing TROM. If the ultimate truth is that we are all One then I see no reason to not go for it, for are we not attaining to ultimate Truth? My current understanding of Advaita Vendata (non-dualism) is that the main barrier to achieving an abiding enlightened state lies solely in the mind. And since TROM is a resolution of mind one could well predict that when fully completed one would be able to attain such. You have me as a contact on skype if you'd like to chat (jj.niven) Love to all, Brian _ From: The Resolution of Mind list [mailto:trom@lists.newciv.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2015 1:47 PM To: trom@lists.newciv.org Subject: Re: [TROM1] RE The Awakened Seeker Hi Colleen I have not completed TROM. However, I listened to Tony Parsons and while i can see that he might be referring to a viewpoint of a person who had rejoined the entity from which we all separated to become individuals I don't want to lose my individuality to that extent. I see my end point of TROM as being free from the compulsive games condition and an expert at recognizing the games that others are playing still, with the joyful state of lacking nothing. I will still be me at this point and not some collective we. Sincerely Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad On Nov 3, 2015, at 7:24 AM, The Resolution of Mind list wrote: * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I am listening to Tony Parson and see a bit how what he says relates to Trom. I am wondering if this is ho someone would talk once they've completed TROM?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUSGiWV0kqE colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] TROM: Replay B8
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org While this message was posted long ago (1995) to this list, I think it is useful to make a comment on it. (A good reason for having the replays!) When thoughts arise you have a choice. Your choice is to breathe life into them or let them go. When we grab onto a thought it is because we think it is IMPORTANT. One way to give yourself a nice break is to STOP grabbing onto and enlivening our thoughts. "I had a lot of cognitions about decisions that I had made that had shaped this situation, but since I didn't have any idea how to unmake those decisions today it was even more painful to see this because now I know that I can't entirely blame the problem on somebody else. I certainly can charge the people around me in being complicit, in enabling my behavior, but I can't say that they generated it." How do you unmake a decision? One way is to look at that decision and recognize that it doesn't serve you and just drop it. A decision has to be kept in place, if you no longer believe it to be true it will unmock. You give life to your postulates. If no life is embued into a postulate it will fizzle into nothingness. Giving importance to a postulate gives life to it. Why give life to things which make you suffer? " TROM certainly did not make me feel better after I had finished doing it, but TROM doesn't seem to be about feeling good. It may have helped me actually recognize some of my responsibility in creating this situation, recognize that I really did bring in some awful postulates, but right now I don't see any real answer as to undoing the effects that those postulates have had on the people around me and on my situation. In fact, I've seen how those postulates have shaped the situation around me in such a way to confirm them -- maybe I could free ~myself~ from them but I don't see how to eliminate the effect that they've had on my situation, and how to keep them from diffusing back into me from my situation." TROM does make you feel good. It may be unpleasant while you are handling something, but after you handle it you should feel better. As to undoing the effect of a postulate. Well, I don't know if you see that ph18 is making a postulate right there. He's postulated that he cannot undo the effects of his postulates. Yikes, talk about digging your grave even deeper! One thing I have become very aware of is the need to keep a close eye on what postulates/thoughts I am operating on. It is quite easy to let thoughts like he is having go uninspected and just go with them. Doing that winds you up in a mess. And that mess is solely your own doing. You have postulated yourself into being stuck. Change your beliefs -- change your world. Believe all is well and reality will oblige. Believe all is a hell and reality will also oblige. There is a pretty cool video by Benhito Massara that you might find useful in this regard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3rBwMaD7Ig&list=PLLkd4GUWldW3yACDzZZerw6KHx nLMzYsu&index=1 Keep TROMing, Love, Brian Smith _ From: The Resolution of Mind list [mailto:trom@lists.newciv.org] Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 2:32 PM To: trom@lists.newciv.org Subject: [TROM1] TROM: Replay B8 From : p...@crux2.cit.cornell.edu236/174.10Wed 29 Mar 95 13:50 To : tro...@netcom.com Thu 30 Mar 95 06:39 Subj : Re: RI Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: p...@crux2.cit.cornell.edu Subject: Re: RI In reply to message : Well, I was having a really bad persistent PT problem the other day that had really gotten out of hand. I was real upset so I decided to go take a walk in the woods, and I thought well, I really feel like I have a havingness problem so why don't I do some RI. I tried to create some things but I was too agitated for that to work, so I grabbed onto a granite bridge and just meditated on how solid it was, and I could just feel all of these statements coming into my mind I am solid I am important I can create importances I don't need external importances in between these bursts I'd start to think about my problem and I would feel bad and I would go back to thinking about the solidity of the granite. Then I'd get a bunch of thoughts about the granite and the RI, these kept welling up and the granite just felt so smooth. cool, solid, almost sensously. After a while I felt quite a bit better so I tried some creative RI and nothing really happened. So then I thought, now that I have done some RI, why don't I timebreak the incident that I'm upset about, so I did that, felt a very weak sense of resolution, then I tried to break some related incidents, and really quickly I felt
Re: [TROM1] Some Personal Progress with TROM - Game Strategies as Identities
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Colleen, Thank you for sharing! On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 7:58 PM, The Resolution of Mind list < trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > > This being has come a long way since it decided to have such a visceral > experience, playing with cause and effect. There has not been much to write > home about because I've created an environment wherein not much severely > aggravates the unconscious reactive mind, although I'm aware it is still a > sleeping giant and the work is not done; however I have not been > aggressively handling my mind other than a daily practice of RI, and some > occasional timebreaking, for example my recent handling of fear of spiders, > and then another larger, related fear underneath that. > > Recently I re-listened several times to Dennis' two lectures - The > Philosophy of TROM and The Game Strategy - to inspire me and to stir up my > case. It worked! > > Over the past few days my case did get stirred up and I forced myself to > take a look at my compulsion re the junior goals package of "To Help". No > matter how life-oriented a goals package is, when it is compulsive I run > the risk of violating the ethics of force and prevention when interacting > with the considerations of force and prevention that another holds onto. > > This is where I realized it is important to understand the components of > game strategies. > > There are four legs or basic choices of any goals package and I am as > happy as I can correctly decide how to employ them when interacting with > self and others. > > I was at the same time falling in love with the goals package of "To > Reason, to Logic". All life oriented goals packages are beautiful and when > employed WITHOUT ANY BIAS for one leg or another one's life is beautiful > and one gets along quite well in this universe with the creator's > intention. This is where Dennis' Level Five activities resolve that problem > once and for all. > > Non-life goals, such as "To Hate", "To Degrade" are nested under their > respective life-oriented goals package. For example, "To Degrade" is nested > under "To Enhance". Dennis gives very strict instructions that when > encountering a non-life goal to never attempt to resolve it other than > through resolving held onto importances from the past of the associated > life-oriented goals package. So, in an extreme case regarding "To Degrade" > I would be plugging in each of the four legs of "To Enhance" and timebreak > any charge and past scenes tagged with them and so bring the whole goals > package into balance, unaffected negatively by anything from the past; nor > would I be using that as a cover for some game strategy. > > I would then be able to interact with others in a perfectly balanced and > rhythmic exchange with the basic life-oriented postulates of this universe. > No more hate and degradation. No more insistence on forcing or preventing > help. No more stuck game strategies as ways of being. > > While meditating upon all this I took a look at the public persona of > Eckhardt Tolle and as far as I could detect he seemed to me to be an > example of one who is not particularly stuck in any one leg of the "To > Know" goals package. At least not compared with my own condition. I don't > perceive that he particularly "must know" or "must be known" or "must not > know" or "must not be known", and he seems to be able to interact with > people who seek him out without overwhelming them. I wouldn't however say > the same for the Dalai Lama. This is where I need to learn more about game > strategies because wholly successful personas can be created to be a game > strategy. We believe we really are that identity and we get largely > rewarded for it. > > This is where the study of "The Game Strategy" becomes important for > getting wise about games and staying out of trouble. In his lecture, Dennis > gives the four necessary components of a game strategy. From Dennis' > observations, almost anyone who had a childhood has extant game strategies. > > So, coincident with listening to Dennis, my case got jumpstarted a few > days ago when I received a surprisingly negative phone call in the dark of > the night from someone who violently opposed my attempt to help in a > situation. I went reactive and nursed my injury while I was trying to > understand "what just happened?!". I immediately saw my own to-help > compulsion
[TROM1] RE Personal Progress ...
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org You are welcome however I don't think I'm going to make such long posts again, but I do occasionally like to give some in-the-trenches look at TROM. The better I get at doing TROM practices and studying the more I love TROM. Colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] after level 5 ?
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org hello Trommers, what follows are my reflections about what would come after Trom. after having had the realization that Trom works , and after having had the experience of seeing part of the monkey mind of my leetle "me" , shutting off , I asked to myself , one day , what comes next after compliting level 5 ? From Ken Oggers works, from LRH works and from other , comes the idea that life is a static. It has the four life qualities , of 1) bringing something into existence , etc, etc. , but these qualities I think , are effective when they are originated fron the Static. Static doesn't move, but we do.And we are just a projection of the Static. The Static imagines a being with certain unique attributes , and then It projects this imagination into a 3D reality , and sees what effects produces , and from observing these effects, It acquires wisdom. The Static projects an Ego (that is me,) and the chattering of the mind about failures of the past about postulating,creates the personality.With Trom we can get rid of the mind, and what is left is a connection with the Static , the Source of life ? If so we should change how we perceive tho world and all the events around us.In 3D we have Time and Space.And in daily life we move through them.But the Static remanis fixed,motionless.If get into the point of view of the Static , we should start perceiving that Time and Space move through us , and not the way around.The Static can only be in the present moment.The mind goes into the past and the future. We can think of us as a projector of reality,and if we are in the present we can bring into existence what we desire,if we live in the past or in the future we bring into existence , what the "mind" thinks is the best for us. If with Trom we can shut off the mind,then what we can use as a tool,tecnique , to strength the connection with the Static? your point if view is welcomed, good tromming alex. ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] after level 5 ?
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org HI Alex Good question. My personal point of view is that the universes started out as just the original static and nothing else. Picture is a limitless gray undifferentiated soup that was the static or God or whatever you want to call it. God decided that it might be fun to change various parts of himself to different states and changed some to white spots and others to black spots etc.etc etc. creating stuff as he went along. when that got boring he decided that he need someone to play with so he decided that some parts of himself were separate beings that he would not know what they were doing so he could play games with them. Thus the universe was and still is God. Every single atom of the stuff and people around us is God made to look like matter and people by God in order to play games. This progressed till there were billions, Trillions, quadrillions? of beings running around playing games with each other and matter energy and space were generated in playing these games till we have many universes like the one we are living in of which we can see 14 billion lights years of and which may be 90 billion light years across according to the astrophysicists. So once you have finished level 5 you could rejoin God and cease to exist as a separate being or you could take you new increased level of awareness of games and do a better job of playing games, or not play any games and just Be yourself separate from God and enjoy existence with no lack of anything in quiet happiness. Or you could do something else? What else would you like to do? There is a scale of existence which is Be, Do, Have. Being is at the top and is just existence while lacking for nothing. This is where God started before he created everything but he, got bored?, decided to do something? Doing is getting active in some game with others. Keeping in mind that Evil is taking something from another they are unwilling to give or forcing on another what they are unwilling to have what could you do that would avoid evil and give you happiness? Happiness is deciding you lack for nothing, but needing to Do or Have means you have decided to lack for something in order to play the game of acquiring that something at which point you will get bored and decide to lack something else so you can play the game again. Having is just acquiring stuff. Stuff becomes a maintenance problem as you have to keep it in repair and drag it around with you. At this point in your existence where you feel good at being on the Be, Do, Have scale? Sincerely Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Nov 6, 2015, at 4:13 AM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > hello Trommers, > what follows are my reflections about what would come after Trom. > after having had the realization that Trom works , and after having had the > experience of seeing part of the monkey mind of my leetle "me" , shutting off > , I asked to myself , one day , what comes next after compliting level 5 ? > From Ken Oggers works, from LRH works and from other , comes the idea that > life is a static. It has the four life qualities , of 1) bringing something > into existence , etc, etc. , but these qualities I think , are effective when > they are originated fron the Static. > Static doesn't move, but we do.And we are just a projection of the Static. > The Static imagines a being with certain unique attributes , and then It > projects this imagination into a 3D reality , and sees what effects produces > , and from observing these effects, It acquires wisdom. > The Static projects an Ego (that is me,) and the chattering of the mind about > failures of the past about postulating,creates the personality.With Trom we > can get rid of the mind, and what is left is a connection with the Static , > the Source of life ? > If so we should change how we perceive tho world and all the events around > us.In 3D we have Time and Space.And in daily life we move through them.But > the Static remanis fixed,motionless.If get into the point of view of the > Static , we should start perceiving that Time and Space move through us , and > not the way around.The Static can only be in the present moment.The mind goes > into the past and the future. > We can think of us as a projector of reality,and if we are in the present we > can bring into existence what we desire,if we live in the past or in the > future we bring into existence , what the "mind" thinks is the best for us. > If with Trom we can shut off the mind,then what we can use as a tool,tecnique > , to strength the connection with the Static? > your point if view is welc
[TROM1] TROM Replay B15
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sent Saturday 7th of November 2015 by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk (Antony Phillips) Note that this is a resend of a message sent some years ago, and data is liable to be inaccurate. You can see that then in 1998 I was still using Fido (the amateur, free, substitute for a then expensive Internet connection). Subject: TROM Replay B15 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:24:20 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org Hers the next replay. Note for newcomers, There are two Judiths: Judith Anderson (Queen Trom): judi...@mcs.net.au (in Australia) Judith Methven (Tech consultant): j...@meth.demon.co.uk (in England) (of course queeries with regard to the running of TROM are best placed on the list, so others have an oppurtunity of adding their expereince.) Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 132 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : "Dustin W. Carr" 236/174.10 Mon 26 Jun 95 07:53 To : trom-l Mon 26 Jun 95 19:55 Subj : Re: Completion of Level 2 Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: "Dustin W. Carr" Subject: Re: Completion of Level 2 On Sun, 25 Jun 1995 ci...@aol.com wrote: > I just completed Level 2. It took me 14 hours of actual Level 2 work, > with almost as much RI (10.5 hours). > > I find it very interesting that the TROM materials are virtually self- > regulating. At one point some time ago I thought that Level 2 was > complete, so I went into Level 3. I found it very difficult, though, and > dropped back to Level 2. Now, however, Level 3 is quite natural. In > fact, I began doing Level 3 almost automatically near the end of > Level 2. I concur with this from my own experience. In fact, as I was going through the levels, I never looked ahead at the next one, but I always seemingly stepped right into it. Level 3 flows readily into level 4, and the same is true for 4 to 5. At the end of every level I always found myself doing the next level. > > Timebreaking is really an incredible ability! It's fascinating to see a > past incident hanging there in PT in front of you Quite extraordinary, > unlike anything I've experienced before. I am glad you are enjoying it. It was never that big of a deal for me, but then again, I took inordinate amounts of psychadelics in my past :) One other piece of advice for someone on this path, which I have said before. I strongly suggest the book *Seth Speaks* by Jane Roberts. It offers a different view of things. It can help to alleviate alot of tension between a being and his mind. I found that after leaving scientology, (after a rather short time) I was very confrontational with my mind, always thinking that it was filled with bad things and scary monsters that could really hurt me. After reading this book, I no longer have such a tendency to play that game, and it has made my processing many times more effective. > > Bill > --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 134 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : ASC Missions Group 236/174.10 Mon 26 Jun 95 04:20 To : tro...@netcom.com Mon 26 Jun 95 19:55 Subj : Re: Completion of Level 2 Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: ASC Missions Group Subject: Re: Completion of Level 2 Hi, For those why find _Seth Speaks_ a little dry, or who just want to round out the info, I suggest _The Nature of Personal Reality_, also a Seth bookby the same author, Jane Roberts. There are a lot of similarities between Seths's view and Acceptance. Much more than between Acceptance and Scn/Dn. -0- Speaker for AcceptanceAcceptance Services Center Acceptance is appreciation without significance. | (415) 964-3436 Appreciation is willingness to experience as-is. --8-- PO Box 390696 Significance is interpretation, or added-on meaning. | Mtn Vw CA 94039 Web Home Page at http://www.asc.org --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 138 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : "Joachim H. Steingrubner PhD" 236/174.10 Tue 27 Jun 95 12:09 To : tro...@netcom.com Wed 28 Jun 95 07:18 Subj : TROM and Nirvana Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: "Joachim H. Steingrubner PhD" Subje
[TROM1] our responsibility
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi trommers, reflecting about my experience with Trom, one idea came into my mind.And here it is : we as Trommers are responsible to show common human beings , how is a life without the mind that leads our life, without compulsive game conditions.We are responsible to show a life ruled by the Static, the source of all life. Do you get the point? we are creators! happy tromming alex. ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] our responsibility
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Alex I disagree. We as TROMers are not automatically responsible to show or be a good example to others or evangelize others on the benefits of knowing and practicing TROM. You can take up that cause if you like. Everyone can take up that game if they want, but the object of TROM is to end compulsive game playing so no one is expected to take up the compulsion of promoting TROM. That being said I would like to hear ideas about how to introduce others to the idea of improving their life condition with TROM. Anyone? Keep on TROMing Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Nov 7, 2015, at 9:06 AM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Hi trommers, > reflecting about my experience with Trom, one idea came into my mind.And here > it is : we as Trommers are responsible to show common human beings , how is a > life without the mind that leads our life, without compulsive game > conditions.We are responsible to show a life ruled by the Static, the source > of all life. > Do you get the point? > we are creators! > happy tromming > alex. > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Less and Less AND More and More
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Thank you for taking the time to post the discussion points that came from looking at someone like Tony Parsons. In terms of a being in a no games condition he is a great example to me of a "Less and Less". I'm feeling it through the TROM bridge. Less is more, right? Because with the TROM bridge, as a voluntary games player, one is a master, wised-up and a "More and More" in terms of expanded options for interactions with not-selfs/another. Trom is awesome!! Colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] TROM Digest, Vol 133, Issue 8
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello, Alex and Pete. About playing a good game: after a round of RI last night the logic that determines for me what is a good game is the fact that when one departs the body they leave everything behind and the only thing they take with them is their mind. So I'm giving up selling other things which are helpful for the body and studying for the role of therapist while using TROM to work through my own case. Regarding therapy, Dennis did say that someone who had a lot of prior therapy (timebreaking type therapy I assume) would have an easier time duplicating and completing TROM. There are some good life repair therapies out there on the i-net. The ESMB forum discusses some. I recommend a clearing tech that helps the person timebreak his interactions with caregivers in childhood in relation to whatever he is complaining of. But of course then you would have already done that yourself in your own case. I am Level 3 timebreaking rather bland scenes of my father right now and I am amazed at how much is releasing. It seems that almost every valence or identity or fixed way of being is a copy of that of a caregiver in my childhood. Any clearing tech that UNFIXES ways of being For example, there are many people in the U.S. who are complaining about being compulsive about eating and I think one would have no problem working with appreciative people to lighten them up on that compulsion. I would be surprised if they were not spontaneously timebreaking in session interactions in early childhood regarding eating. Alex, it is good you can get into the viewpoint of being able and willing to respond to the human condition. I see you want to play a good game. Me too. I really love the game Pete is playing with TROM. Pete, are you putting pan-determined postulates out there? :-)) Like Pete says, for me the game is more fun without compulsions to help or enhance or control etcetera, and our timebreaking will cure that anyways so no worries :-)) colleen On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 7:00 AM, wrote: > Send TROM mailing list submissions to > trom@lists.newciv.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > trom-ow...@lists.newciv.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TROM digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. our responsibility (The Resolution of Mind list) >2. Re: our responsibility (The Resolution of Mind list) >3. Less and Less AND More and More (The Resolution of Mind list) > > > ------------------ > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 18:06:04 +0100 > From: The Resolution of Mind list > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: [TROM1] our responsibility > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi trommers, > reflecting about my experience with Trom, one idea came into my mind.And > here it is : we as Trommers are responsible to show common human beings > , how is a life without the mind that leads our life, without compulsive > game conditions.We are responsible to show a life ruled by the Static, > the source of all life. > Do you get the point? > we are creators! > happy tromming > alex. > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 15:59:48 -0800 > From: The Resolution of Mind list > To: trom@lists.newciv.org > Subject: Re: [TROM1] our responsibility > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Alex > I disagree. > We as TROMers are not automatically responsible to show or be a good > example to others or evangelize others on the benefits of knowing and > practicing TROM. > > You can take up that cause if you like. Everyone can take up that game if > they want, but the object of TROM is to end compulsive game playing so no > one is expected to take up the compulsion of promoting TROM. > > That being said I would like to hear ideas about how to introduce others > to the idea of improving their life condition with TROM. > > Anyone? > > Keep on TROMing > Pete McLaughlin > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Nov 7, 2015, at 9:06 AM, The Resolution of Mind list < > trom@lists.newciv.org> wrote: > > > > * > > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > > > Hi trommers, > > reflecting about my experience with
[TROM1] responsible to ourselves
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org I'll explain , because of the law of freedom of choice, I cannot impose my will on others.So we are But for sure I am responsible to myself , to keep me out of a compulsive game condition.And playing the victim. Doing so, others can see my example of living this way.If they want to see (to know). Another reflection : if someone finishes Trom , he/she has two choices : a) quit the body and exit these game, b) keep on playing these game , but as a voluntary game player amongst compulsive game players). As a voluntary game player , it is difficult to play amongst a lot of compulsive game player. So if someone quits the game , or keep playing , someone remains always a creator.We should also increase our abilities as creators spiritual beings.Could it be that our journey doesn't stop in completing Trom,but keeps going to regain the status of full Creators about life.(I refer to Ken Hogger writings).For example to bring into existence gold nuggets out of the air ? In my daily life , now , I enjoy about playing with opposite postulates and complementary postulates. And it is amazing to see how effective are complementary postulates in making any mass vanisging.I play in family, when I work,in the street , anywhere.It is so absurd why these abilitity is not taught in primary school.First thing to teach to a student is how to play life. After learning to read and write , a boy should learn Trom , at least Level 1,2 and 3 . Imagine how much "mass" would not be created everywhere. To become a citizen with full rights, one must attest Level 1,2,and 3 of Trom. what do you think ? keep on tromming alex. ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] responsible to ourselves
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Alex Excellent points. There is a mechanism for creation that is acceptable in this universe. You have to go through rituals that everyone agrees upon will cause the desired object to appear. I spend 30 years assaying rocks for gold as a business and did a lot of looking for gold in the field. I have picked up gold nuggets lying on the bedrock in the desert as well as recovering gold by wet washing and dry washing techniques. This is the mutually agreed upon real technique for creating gold out of "thin air." To creat a cake mix the ingredients, pour them in a cake pan and bake in the oven. Wahla! a cake is created. To create a house buy some wood and nails and assemble them with knowledge of how they go together and Wahla! a house appears. We all "Create from thin air" what ever we have as skills to create using the agreed upon in this universe methods of creation. I spent a lot of weekends shopping at garage sales for valuable stuff i needed. I was fun to make up a mental list of things i would like to have and what was a reasonable price for pay for them then find them at yard sales for 1/10 that price. I filled my house with stuff this way and had fun doing it. After working with TROM for a couple of years i began to create complimentary postulates in others as an interesting exercise. i had the state of California franchise tax board decide that i must owe sales tax on a out of state purchase i had shipped to my home. I released my resistance to that postulate and then created the postulate that this tax bill was so small that it wasn't worth the effort of the tax collector agent to pursue me on the issue. After a while they quit calling and i heard no more about it. Working with pan determined and other determined postulates works nicely. Now i work at creating my vegetable garden and wood working projects and getting along with my neighbors in a friendly fashion and just have fun. Life is beautiful. Keep on TROMing Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Nov 8, 2015, at 9:36 AM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > I'll explain , > because of the law of freedom of choice, I cannot impose my will on others.So > we are > But for sure I am responsible to myself , to keep me out of a compulsive game > condition.And playing the victim. > Doing so, others can see my example of living this way.If they want to see > (to know). > Another reflection : if someone finishes Trom , he/she has two choices : > a) quit the body and exit these game, > b) keep on playing these game , but as a voluntary game player amongst > compulsive game players). > As a voluntary game player , it is difficult to play amongst a lot of > compulsive game player. > So if someone quits the game , or keep playing , someone remains always a > creator.We should also increase our abilities as creators spiritual > beings.Could it be that our journey doesn't stop in completing Trom,but keeps > going to regain the status of full Creators about life.(I refer to Ken Hogger > writings).For example to bring into existence gold nuggets out of the air ? > In my daily life , now , I enjoy about playing with opposite postulates and > complementary postulates. > And it is amazing to see how effective are complementary postulates in making > any mass vanisging.I play in family, when I work,in the street , anywhere.It > is so absurd why these abilitity is not taught in primary school.First thing > to teach to a student is how to play life. > After learning to read and write , a boy should learn Trom , at least Level > 1,2 and 3 . Imagine how much "mass" would not be created everywhere. > To become a citizen with full rights, one must attest Level 1,2,and 3 of Trom. > what do you think ? > keep on tromming > alex. > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] marketing Trom
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Il 08/11/15 13:00, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org ha scritto: That being said I would like to hear ideas about how to introduce others to the idea of improving their life condition with TROM. Anyone? Keep on TROMing Pete McLaughlin we cannot impose our postulates on others.we will violate the free will law.But as an example , we can make other people,become curious about trom.I am trying to create an association of people ,that the studies Trom.Or an Institute the keep Trom philosopy available for everyone. As soon you have a place , like a small library , that has a place were all the materials of Trom are kept , someone interested comes every week. The point is , because we live in a compulsive society,were the matrix of control , keep the people enslaved in its gerarchy system , you have to be stronger of the control structure, otherwise if the power feels attacked,it reacts killing you.Do we start a new Zion , as in the Matrix films? Liberating people , one at time ? Also when one completes level 5, and is free from compulsive game condition,but he is really free? A lack of abilities , as a spiritual being that uses the body , to have experiences in this 2D playground, could be seen as a compulsive game condition , related to play as a god. Example, I am free of getting caught in any compulsive game, but my body ages and keeps on creating diseases! what the heel, couldn't it just start to create health ? and when I am 135 years old ,still in perfect health ,I decide to go to play somewhere else ,in the universe, and so I quit the body,without any sufferings? meditate people,meditate, alex. ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] marketing Trom
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Il 08/11/15 13:00, trom-requ...@lists.newciv.org ha scritto: That being said I would like to hear ideas about how to introduce others to the idea of improving their life condition with TROM. Anyone? Keep on TROMing Pete McLaughlin we cannot impose our postulates on others.we will violate the free will law.But as an example , we can make other people,become curious about trom.I am trying to create an association of people ,that the studies Trom.Or an Institute the keep Trom philosopy available for everyone. As soon you have a place , like a small library , that has a place were all the materials of Trom are kept , someone interested comes every week. The point is , because we live in a compulsive society,were the matrix of control , keep the people enslaved in its gerarchy system , you have to be stronger of the control structure, otherwise if the power feels attacked,it reacts killing you.Do we start a new Zion , as in the Matrix films? Liberating people , one at time ? Also when one completes level 5, and is free from compulsive game condition,but he is really free? A lack of abilities , as a spiritual being that uses the body , to have experiences in this 3D playground, could be seen as a compulsive game condition , related to play as a god. Example, I am free of getting caught in any compulsive game, but my body ages and keeps on creating diseases! what the heel, couldn't it just start to create health ? and when I am 135 years old ,still in perfect health ,I decide to go to play somewhere else ,in the universe, and so I quit the body,without any sufferings? meditate people,meditate, alex. ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] marketing Trom
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Pete, it would a good idea if we start this new project , I have in mind.What if we start putting our attention to the body , and like a mechanics fixes the car , we start to fix the body functioning ? the body has its genetic mind,that keeps running its life,(i.e. borning , growing,reproducing,aging and dying).And if this program written in the DNA, it is just a compulsive program? Epigenetics says that the DNA can be rewritten,and it is not fixed as Darwin wants to make us believe ( see the works of Bruce Lipton , "The biology of believes"). so what better tool of Trom, to erase compulsive game condition ? well, now the task is to figure it out.we could start to create a list with positive life goals for the body.example , "To Grow younger" , but I wonder one thing , which is the language of the body, if there is one.Does it respond to the mind? How did Jesus performed his miracles? ciao alex. ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] fixing the body
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Alex, I suggest you finish Level 5. When complete you will know much better what you can do, and what is next. I also suggest you and any who have not yet read "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Yogananda, to read it. It is available here to read on-line: http://www.crystalclarity.com/yogananda/chap1.php In it you will find described amazing miracles of healing, resurrection, manifestation, levitation, being in more than one place at a time, etc. These "OT" feats were performed by beings that had realized God. Written in 1945, you might consider whether LRH read it too :) Love, Brian -Original Message- From: The Resolution of Mind list [mailto:trom@lists.newciv.org] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 3:15 AM To: trom@lists.newciv.org Subject: [TROM1] marketing Trom Hi Pete, it would a good idea if we start this new project , I have in mind.What if we start putting our attention to the body , and like a mechanics fixes the car , we start to fix the body functioning ? the body has its genetic mind,that keeps running its life,(i.e. borning , growing,reproducing,aging and dying).And if this program written in the DNA, it is just a compulsive program? Epigenetics says that the DNA can be rewritten,and it is not fixed as Darwin wants to make us believe ( see the works of Bruce Lipton , "The biology of believes"). so what better tool of Trom, to erase compulsive game condition ? well, now the task is to figure it out.we could start to create a list with positive life goals for the body.example , "To Grow younger" , but I wonder one thing , which is the language of the body, if there is one.Does it respond to the mind? How did Jesus performed his miracles? ciao alex. ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Bond breaking
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org As i continue to do level 3 of TROM and begin to verge into level 5 material i am finding i am struggling with the fixed idea that there is Government which is legal, good, rightful, elected by the people, "of the people, for the people, by the people" etc. and that any one else trying to do government like things is a gang, criminal, terrorist etc. So the fixed idea on bonding that "if government then good" which was drummed into me most of my life was that the government of my country, state, county, and city were good guys. This is of course not true. Evil is forcing on others what they do not want or taking from others what they are unwilling to give and government is always doing both these things and claiming it is for the greater good or that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. The reality is that government is doing what is profitable for government or for the special interests that pay money to the politicians. In order to break this fixed idea that legitimate government is the good guys i have begun putting their employees and actions into the category of "gangs." This is per Dennis's technique in 04 Bond Breaking. " Here it goes. “A bonding is broken and its bonding postulate erased by putting members into the common class that the bonding postulate renders null.”" Dennis Stephens from the book 04 Bond Breaking. So if the government is good and the gangs are bad then reverse the roles. gangs are good and governments are bad. Now put all government actions into the category of gangland actions and all gangland, terrorist, ISIS actions into the category of good government action. Last year in California the state passed a law that said the government fire protection service called CalFire could assess a tax on land owners for fire protection service. No option was given to opt in or out and this disregards whether there is a local fire station already serving the property or not. I view this as a gangland extortion of protection money from me. As i now read stories about anything to do with government or criminal gangs or police actions that harm citizens i put all these in the category of gang actions and timebreak them till the emotional charge dissipates. It is important to reduce the charge to nil by the process, not to build it up and make it into a basis for Vengeance or resistance. With the charge reduced i pay the CalFire bill and carry on with life. By the way money is also a fixed idea that is best reduced to an unimportance. I can acquire it with a little work and pay my debts so i owe nothing which is the ideal state. Keep on TROMing Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad Sent from my iPad ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] marketing Trom
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sounds good Alex. Go for it. Sincerely Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Nov 9, 2015, at 12:15 AM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Hi Pete, > it would a good idea if we start this new project , I have in mind.What if we > start putting our attention to the body , and like a mechanics fixes > the car , we start to fix the body functioning ? > the body has its genetic mind,that keeps running its life,(i.e. borning , > growing,reproducing,aging and dying).And if this program written in > the DNA, it is just a compulsive program? > Epigenetics says that the DNA can be rewritten,and it is not fixed as Darwin > wants to make us believe ( see the works of Bruce Lipton , "The biology of > believes"). so what better tool of Trom, to erase compulsive game condition ? > well, now the task is to figure it out.we could start to create a list with > positive life goals for the body.example , "To Grow younger" , but I wonder > one thing , which is the language of the body, if there is one.Does it > respond to the mind? > How did Jesus performed his miracles? > ciao > alex. > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Replay B16
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sent 14 November 2015 by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk (Antony Phillips) 14th of November 2015. Early morning. Overnight there has been a terror attack in France, with at least 140 people killed. It is likely that many will be in a state of shock, trauma, confusion. It is perhaps useful to remember the Scientology data on Stable Data and Confusion. If that is the case a good course of action is to check around for things that still are stable. The rest of this message is the standard replay. Note that this is a resend of a message sent some years ago, and some data (like addresses) is liable to be inaccurate. [Note this was also sent to the list: alt.clearing.t...@mail2news.lightlink.com,] * The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org -- (2005) list Home page with access to Archives: http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom -- Previously sent: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 23:54:00 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2000 12:36:17 +0200 Sat, 02 Feb 2002 07:53:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 20:08:26 +0100 Subject: TROM Replay B16 Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 19:31:07 +0100 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) TROM-L Ä Msg : 148 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : "Dustin W. Carr" 236/174.10 Fri 30 Jun 95 11:31 To : trom-l Sat 01 Jul 95 05:07 Subj : Misc. Remarks Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: "Dustin W. Carr" Subject: Misc. Remarks Hello TROMmers again, I have been quite busy finding new ways to be lazy, and writing on this list is just one of many endeavors which satisfy my goal :-). Actually I have been making remarkable case gain this week and I would like to communicate about that, as well as some of the things which have been said recently on this list. I would urge new trommers to develop the ability to time break emotion itself, not 'causes' of emotion, or scenes with emotion in them, but formless emotion. Develop this ability in level three by being aware of the emotion in the scene, and evaluating it in present time. Doing this blew my time track to shreds, (I mean that in a good way) and it has been vital for my recent progress on level 5. To illustrate, I was towards the bottom end of the postulate failure cycle chart, where I am originatin the postulate must not be known and the other receiving end was making the postulate must not know. For about the 1st twenty minutes there was not too much change, then I started to feel kind of frustrated, and then a very solid emotional structure overcame me, where I was very afraid of being found out, while at the same time very relieved that the other being was not finding out. After two sessions of time breaking this emotion, I got a huge release. At the end of the second session I felt myself become wide open to be known. I reached out to others with waves of love. I had also suddenly developed much more affinity for other beings. I never viewed a single picture, I just viewed emotion, and a whole new part of life opened itself to me. The ecstasy of the moment has subsided now, but I still feel a kinship with other beings that I had not felt two days ago. The logic of looking at the emotional content this way, instead of looking at pictures, follows from what we tell ourselves constantly as we meander down the spiritual path: We as spiritual beings are sovereign to the physical world. The form of this world does not cause emotion, but intense emotion can cause form. The scene on your time track only 'happened' because you had assumed a viewpoint, with the proper intent and emotion, that it would happen. Others can feel free to correct my semantics here :). But for many, both beginners and otherwise, the time track is quite important, and their is nothing wrong with that. Don't resist it, just do the TROM exercises and, if you deem it worthy, take my advice. It has worked for me. Now some other remarks relevant to previous posts. Re: Who should do TROM I have said before that I don't think TROM should be used as 'self-help'. I mean, people who have alot of problems in their life that they feel the need help with should not use TROM in general. People using trom should be those aware of their spirituality and want to expand their understanding of themselves. People seeking self help need something to lead them into TROM. CCH's would probably work for most, but then again, most self-help people would just stop after a succesful round of CCH's :). Re: Dangers of TROM I do not accept in my universe that TROM can cause me damage, although I am somewhat forced to know that it could be dangerous to others. The
[TROM1] [trom] Replay B17
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sent Saturday 21st of November 2015 by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk (Antony Phillips) Note that this is a resend of a message sent some years ago, and some data (like addresses) is liable to be inaccurate. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * The following message is relayed to you by tro...@newciv.org There are 81 people on trom-l. Four of them also get the digest sent (collection of messages send when a certain quantity has come through). Occasionally messages sent to one of you come back to me undelivered for some reason. If this happens over a few weeks, I take the person off the list. Good Tromming, Ant-Admin The following was previously sent Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 20:54:59 +0200 Subject: TROM Replay B17 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:11:20 +0200 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org Good Easter to all Trommers, Ant Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 165 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : "Dustin W. Carr" 236/174.10 Mon 10 Jul 95 14:24 To : trom-l Tue 11 Jul 95 07:20 Subj : level 5 help Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: "Dustin W. Carr" Subject: level 5 help This is post from Marc Wirth from early this year. Anybody that ever plans to do level 5 should read it. It contains the transcript of the tape Stephens sent to Judith Methven. This should clear alot of things up, it did for me, as I had no idea how to do level 5 until I read this. Dustin Seems this didn't get through the first time... This is a partial transcript of a tape Dennis Stephens recorded as demonstration, how Level 5 ist done. There ist more, but I haven't typed it in yet. This here is the most important part. In the rest of the tape he again admonishes everybody to stick to his instructions, especially to do RI generously. He also warns to not leave anything before it's not producing change anymore, specifically he says that you can't overrun any of the levels of the postulate failure cycle chart. You simply get bored if you overrun them. Another point he makes is that it's no loss of face to drop back a Level, you could always drop back to Level 4, run it till no more change and then go back to Level 5. This is something I can back up from my own experience as something that can bring enormous gains. I got the tape from Judith Methven. She wrote to Dennis to get a demonstration of how to run Level 5. I owe her a big, big Thankyou for the tape. I don't know if Dennis wanted this to be made public or not, and to be honest I don't care much about that. But I think it's of general interest. Perhaps it should even be included into TROM itself. Best wishes, Marc [The best way to follow this is when you have the postulate failure cycle chart in front of you.] I will go through the chart, as if I'm the subject and I'm running Level 5. And Im starting at Level 1A. I'm starting at Level 1A and my goal-package I'm using is the basic to know-goal package. I'm starting now at Level 1A. Before I start as given in the manual I'd timebreak all the day's activities and also I would make sure that Levels 1, 2, 3 and 4 have been run to no more change. I wouldn't attempt Level 5 until those first 4 levels have been run to no more change and also I've timebreaken the day's activities. OK, here we go. Level 1A. The first thing we need is a little bit of space around us. Now, it doesn't matter which space you use, you can use the space of the present time universe around you or you can use the space of any past moment in time. It doesn't matter. You're not limited in any form whatsoever. You just need some space in which to work. So it doesn't have to be present time physical universe space it can be past physical universe time space. You just need some space there to work. So, we are at Level 1A and the first thing you would do is put up the postulate, the Other's postulate "must be known". The postulate is "must be known" and that is in the class of not-self. Now, it doesn't matter where you put the postulate. Most people would prefer to put the postulate into a mass. But there is no reason why you should put it into a mass, you can put it into empty space if you want. But most people find it easier to put the postulate into a mass. Even a created mass of your own choice or into a wall, a part of the physical universe, a fence, a passing car. It doesn't matter where you put it. The important thing is that it's a "must be known"
[TROM1] RE "How Does it Seem to You Now?" Process to Unstick
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Today a particular subject of RI seemed stuck - no change occurring at all. Was I flat on it or was it stuck? To answer that question I decided to run the Scientology process, "How does seem to you now?". Charge started coming off and I resumed the RI on that with more charge - or change - occurring. HOW DOES IT SEEM TO YOU NOW? is supposed to be a repetitive process until the mind runs out of answers; however I used it simply to unstick the RI that was not moving/changing. It was a lot easier than gearing down to perceptual RI. colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] RE "How Does it Seem to You Now?" Process to Unstick
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Colleen Very Good! Unstuck and back to making gains. Sincerely Pete Mclaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2015, at 3:58 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Today a particular subject of RI seemed stuck - no change occurring at all. > Was I flat on it or was it stuck? > To answer that question I decided to run the Scientology process, > "How does seem to you now?". > > Charge started coming off and I resumed the RI on that with more charge - or > change - occurring. > > HOW DOES IT SEEM TO YOU NOW? is supposed to be a repetitive process until the > mind runs out of answers; however I used it simply to unstick the RI that was > not moving/changing. It was a lot easier than gearing down to perceptual RI. > > colleen > > > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] [trom] Replay B18
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Sent Saturday, November 28, 2015 by ant.phill...@post8.tele.dk (Antony Phillips) Note that this is a resend of a message sent some years ago, and some data (like addresses) is liable to be inaccurate. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - *** The following message is relayed to you by tro...@newciv.org Previously sent Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 06:35:04 +0200 Subject: TROM: Replay B18 Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:01:13 +0200 From: Antony Phillips Organization: International Viewpoints To: tro...@newciv.org Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 173 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : "Dustin W. Carr" 236/174.10 Wed 12 Jul 95 21:23 To : trom-l Thu 13 Jul 95 06:44 Subj : The Basis of Life Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: "Dustin W. Carr" Subject: The Basis of Life I had a few ideas I thought I would share. This is just stuff I have learned since starting level 5. I am now finally on the last leg of my first time through the chart. Those of us in math and science like to create a minimal set of objects which can be combined to describe all objects of a given type. An example would be using three simple unit vectors in space to label the position every other point in space as a linear combination of these vectors. So far I have found that the 16 situations on the postulate chart can serve as a basis for life in this universe. I say this because I believe these situations satisfy the two conditions for a basis: a) every life situation can be considered as some combination of these basis situations (completeness) b) If a life situation can be completely described by any given step on the postulate failure chart, then it can in no way be described by any combination of any other steps on the chart. (orthogonality) Stephens does try to communicate this with his section on the logic of trom, but it did not come across very well to me. Some may argue about the validity of a) based on the ideas of flows, i.e. that TROM only handles 1 or 2 of the 4 flows of scn. I would like to dispute that. Consider others doing to others. Well why would this cause problems in a being's mind? One possibility would be that others are doing terrible things to others, things that we would rather not know that others are doing to others. So we have a not know postulate out there, but something is making a to be known postulate, otherwise there would not be a problem. It doesn't matter what that something is, the point is it is *other* than that which is making a to know postulate. So we have other(s) making a to be known postulate while the self makes a to know postulate. Self doing to self is similar. The point is there is one being making the receiving postulate and an other being making the originating postulate. It doesn't have to be an exclusive other. On a basic level, everything is self doing to self anyway, we just choose not to be conscious of that. (Sorry, had to throw in that. Hey, we're headed for Nirvana right, although feel free to stop off at Dhyana on the way. :-) ) Others have said that TROM would need to be run on each dynamic. I would say that the 16 basis situations when considered for a single dynamic would then constitute a sub-basis. Nothing wrong with that, except that the part of life described by this sub-basis would merely be a subset of all life, which can be described with the original basis, thus making the use of dynamics redundant. Of course it may simplify the TROM process for some to break it up into pieces like this. As an afterthought, I would say that the actual basis of life would not include the musts and mustn'ts, but would just consist of the plain old postulates. Beware of any that try to make the mind more complicated. It's a simple toy with many uses. I have grown tired of it, myself, although I try not to show disdain for those that like to keep it around. Happy TROMming, Dustin --- GIGO+ sn 299 at jacome vsn 0.99.950303 Ä TROM (2:235/159.10) Ä TROM-L Ä Msg : 179 of 289 Rcv Pvt K/s Scn From : Andreas Mittermayr 236/174.10 Tue 18 Jul 95 15:41 To : tro...@netcom.com Tue 18 Jul 95 21:47 Subj : Completions of Level 2 Apparently-to: a...@jacome.ping.dk From: Andreas Mittermayr Subject: Completions of Level 2 Hell
[TROM1] RE "How does it seem to you now?" process to unstick
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Thank you, Pete, always nice to hear back from you. I do believe the stuckness was caused by my drinking alcohol during yesterday's holiday dinner, and today everything running as usual. colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] RE "How does it seem to you now?" process to unstick
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Colleen Ahh! might be so. I went with sparkling apple cider (non-alcoholic) with the Turkey so avoided that problem. Having a lovely time here in extreme northern California. It's 24 degrees outside this morning so I put another log on the fire in the wood stove and plan to do inside work today. Have a nice day. Pete McLaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2015, at 8:40 AM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Thank you, Pete, always nice to hear back from you. I do believe the > stuckness was caused by my drinking alcohol during yesterday's holiday > dinner, and today everything running as usual. > > colleen > > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] Hi, Pete
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org My family seems to enjoy seeing me buzzed and I enjoy entertaining them. It's a must-be-known thing. Sounds like you are in wintertime now and that's a great time to come indoors and make some good progress with Trom. colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] The Importance of Doing RI
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Why Doing BRING SOMETHING INTO EXISTENCE is Important: Before the "To Know ... To Be Known" matrix was postulated I/we brought things into existence and fully experienced them, and there was no mis-ownership ... and so doing the bring something into existence exercise is quite restorative for the being It takes you/me back to square zero when we simply brought things into existence without any matrix-mind/body effort. Having "another" bring it into existence too is a duplication of our original intention for the TO KNOW postulate set, and is equally therapeutic. Dennis, in his "Dissociation" lecture re-emphasizes the importance of working RI via "another". Prepping for and managing oneself through a timebreaking session using this form of RI gives the mind the important masses it craves while also accomplishing the above benefits. It's run until the mind is satiated and quiet. Whenever I start to feel uncomfortable while timebreaking I back out and bring some things into existence - both self and another. It also temporarily satisfies the cravings of the mind for something it can chew on as a problem, exhaustively digging into its past databank of possible problems and solutions until it goes quiet, i.e., no more change. Timebreaking sessions run easier when the mind is thus temporarily quieted. In Dennis' lecture titled, "Dissociation" he reveals the types of mocking up he did and that helped me with the RI practice. When I do RI before timebreaking, there are certain hot topics that tilt my mind into top gear (i.e., strong emotion) and I have to keep putting the same object or scene all around me until it finally comes to a conclusion or resolution. Tough to get through all that, what Dennis casually calls "change", and in the end I'm glad I did it. Sometimes that is the session because of the length of time it took me to complete the process. The same RI practice in quantity can also be used to resolve some longstanding fear, and that was how I largely resolved a generalized fear of spiders to where now I am simply more knowing and cautious about spiders that are poisonous. Dennis talks about doing this in the "Dissociation" lecture. Like a glove and a hand - RI and Timebreaking. Sometimes my session time only allows for doing RI, but I almost never do timebreaking without doing RI first and last... learned that the hard way. You may have an easy to run case and RI is a breeze for you ... I look forward to that day. colleen ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
[TROM1] our natural state
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hello Trommers of the new world(without compulsion !), today I was thinking about level 5.When we quit all games , compulsive and voluntary, what is left ? nothing , a nothingness, a void,and the conciousness . But if there is only a void surrounding the conciousness, of what conciousness can be concious of ? of its existence. So could it be our natural state , only being concious of "I exist!" ??? I exist is the beginning , then comes the first postulate in opposition to another , and so the game begin.There is the creation of time and space , where to play, and so on. But what I wanted find , if that we could figure out a list , that brings us for a moment to the state of "I exist" , with the void all around. You know sometimes a break,from playing all the games we are in , could be helpful and restful.To recharge before to dive into playing again. If life has four basic abilities, what are your ideas about a list of a) :Bring something out of existence" , b) "have another bring something out of existence". RI uses one ability , to bring something into existence.What about the other " to bring something out of existence? To bring , for example to bring abundance into existence into ones life, requires that ones makes space bringing poverty out of existence in ones life. Otherwise you go into an insanity game condition , bringing two opposite postulates into existence simultaneously. In the unconcious mind(and in DNA) are all the postulates we bring into existence,to play this game called life on planet earth. The idea is to clean the slate and then to write the program one desires to experience. I am testing the command "Bring something out of existence" and the command " Have another bring something out of existence". I wait for your comments,suggestions and support. Thank you very much, alessandro. ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
Re: [TROM1] our natural state
* The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org Hi Allesandro Good to hear form you again. You have hit on several topics here so let me take them on one at a time. In the beginning there was only god and nothing else. Now there is a universe of stuff and billions of beings that we know of. So when you reach a no games condition you still have all these other beings and stuff of the universe carrying on with their games. Next, you are stating there are two conditions of "no games" and "games" but in fact there is a range of possibilities from no games to play then work and finally games. Play is activity engaged in just for fun with no product or service as an outcome. work is activity with a product or service outcome. Both play and work are "no games" activities since they are not played with goals opposing the goals of others. in other words in play and work i am not trying to force anything on another or take anything from another. Next your RI process of taking things out of existence could end up being the postulate "to destroy" by taking someone else's stuff out of existence. I have not tried it but suspect it would not have a therapeutic outcome. If you do that exercise let us know how it works out. Finally my goal for TROM is to end up in a mostly no games condition with a state of existing, lacking for nothing and joy filled. This state i could continue to be in most of the time without effort or even permanently. What do you think? Sincerely Pete Mclaughlin Sent from my iPad > On Dec 1, 2015, at 12:17 PM, The Resolution of Mind list > wrote: > > * > The following message is relayed to you by trom@lists.newciv.org > > Hello Trommers of the new world(without compulsion !), > today I was thinking about level 5.When we quit all games , compulsive and > voluntary, what is left ? nothing , a nothingness, a void,and the > conciousness . But if there is only a void surrounding the conciousness, of > what conciousness can be concious of ? of its existence. > So could it be our natural state , only being concious of "I exist!" ??? > I exist is the beginning , then comes the first postulate in opposition to > another , and so the game begin.There is the creation of time and space , > where to play, and so on. But what I wanted find , if that we could figure > out a list , that brings us for a moment to the state of "I exist" , with the > void all around. You know sometimes a break,from playing all the games we are > in , could be helpful and restful.To recharge before to dive into playing > again. > If life has four basic abilities, what are your ideas about a list of a) > :Bring something out of existence" , b) "have another bring something out of > existence". > RI uses one ability , to bring something into existence.What about the other > " to bring something out of existence? > To bring , for example to bring abundance into existence into ones life, > requires that ones makes space bringing poverty out of existence in ones life. > Otherwise you go into an insanity game condition , bringing two opposite > postulates into existence simultaneously. > In the unconcious mind(and in DNA) are all the postulates we bring into > existence,to play this game called life on planet earth. > The idea is to clean the slate and then to write the program one desires to > experience. > I am testing the command "Bring something out of existence" and the command " > Have another bring something out of existence". > I wait for your comments,suggestions and support. > Thank you very much, > alessandro. > ___ > TROM mailing list > TROM@lists.newciv.org > http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom ___ TROM mailing list TROM@lists.newciv.org http://lists.newciv.org/mailman/listinfo/trom
