RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-31 Thread David Wolverton
ECTED] Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing It's already April 1st here, so I'll bid the list and its participants farewell. It's been fun and, I hope, at least a bit helpful for some. And a final big thank you to Clif. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] h

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-31 Thread Ray Wurlod
It's already April 1st here, so I'll bid the list and its participants farewell. It's been fun and, I hope, at least a bit helpful for some. And a final big thank you to Clif. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

RE: The lists are closing - Thanks Clif

2004-03-31 Thread Jan Shaw and Keith Johnson
Clif, I'd just like to add my thanks as well. This has been an extremely well-managed list and a wonderful resource. Take a bow, mate. very best wishes, Keith -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Dennis Bartlett
>> "So there" Will Johnson Ha Will! So nice to see you're wearing a new style... Must say it really "suits" you... -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

RE: The lists are closing ** adulation to Clif ***

2004-03-30 Thread Dennis Bartlett
Clif, Like others I've selfishly used your lists for my gain, without thinking of the work involved. Like others,I've learnt so much, and probably given so little. Like others, I've flamed, been flamed, and duly reprimanded in such a loving way :) Like others, I've been a

RE: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Anthony Youngman
mer, but that's another topic ...) Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Schasny Sent: 30 March 2004 23:37 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Then perhaps you

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Dennis Bartlett
Dennis Bartlett agrees that: Dennis Bartlett wrote: > All that subscribing to a forum And that Dennis Bartlett was obviously smoking out of some BEEG pot resulting in the fact that Dennis Bartlett is truly soree errr.. oops -- u2-users mailin

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Dennis Bartlett
AM a slob -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 March 2004 09:39 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The lists are closing In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Listen, Will "the blind, deaf and possibly dumb" John

Re: The lists are closing - REPRIEVE

2004-03-30 Thread Trevor Ockenden
Great news! Thanks again Cliff Cheers Trevor Ockenden OSP --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG 6.0. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.642 / Virus Database: 410 - Release Date: 25/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ol

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 3/30/2004 7:34:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Trevor, >I *think* the issue is that the mv runtime does typecast variables > on the fly, transparently. Which means that assigning a number or the > result of a numeric expression (AVAR = 1 * 3) resu

RE: The lists are closing - REPRIEVE

2004-03-30 Thread Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Scoggins Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2004 10:22 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: The lists are closing - REPRIEVE Just let me be the first to say - YEA!!! Thanks for the last minute reprieve, Gover... er, Clif. > -Original

RE: The lists are closing - REPRIEVE

2004-03-30 Thread David Scoggins
Just let me be the first to say - YEA!!! Thanks for the last minute reprieve, Gover... er, Clif. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:43 PM > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: RE: The lists are clo

RE: The lists are closing - REPRIEVE

2004-03-30 Thread moderator
Oh, my. When I misread a situation, I do a bang up job of it, don't I? It was never my intent to throw the community into such an uproar. I still intend to quit being the list host and moderator. But it appears that not only is U2UG not sure how/if/when they could take on the load, but I didn't kno

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Results
ion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:35 AM Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:35:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You are partly correct when you say UV treats all data

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Trevor Ockenden
xpression" Cheers Trevor Ockenden OSP - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:35 AM Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > In a message dated 3/30

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Tony Wood
So long and thanks for all the quips! Cliff, I have been a member for only a short time but I have found these lists to be extremely useful. Thankyou for enriching our U2 experience and for helping us solve the problems we have posed. Your effort in keeping the noise to an acceptable level have al

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Eugene Perry
Don't forget the 80/20 rule. 80% of the work gets done by 20% of the people. Eugene - Original Message - From: "David Wolverton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'U2 Users Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:33

RE: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Jeff Schasny
Then perhaps you should take your own advice and "HIT DELETE" -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [unsightly rubbish snipped] IF you feel my comments are without SUBSTANCE... WHY NOT ARGUE BACK with some Valid Proof... Instead of start Calling People Names...

RE: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Joe Eugene
---Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:32 PM > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: Re: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > In a message dated 3/30/2

Re: "treated as strings" (was Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing)

2004-03-30 Thread Sdgrw
Don't you think the UV people meant that everything in UV is "stored in the file" ("treated") as strings (characters)? Maybe that confused Joe, not coming from a pick environment. Ron "You think this is intense? I used to work with Will" Walenciak :) ps: Will: I'd work with you

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread iggchamp
Your not just going to lay there and take that are you? Scott "Stir the pot" Thompson > In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > writes: > > > Listen, Will "the blind, deaf and possibly dumb" Johnson > > > > Are you hearing nothing? > > Please don't st

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread James Canale, Jr.
>>Results:- >>UniVerse 9 seconds >>Oracle 25 seconds Now this is what makes this list GREAT! Even more important than who the results favored, it is real information that helps us all make better decisions. Thanks for the FACTS Sara. Regards, Jim -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Sara Burns
I am probably in the best position to compare apples with apples. I have both UniVerse and Oracle on the same IBM p660 4 processor box with 6Gb RAM. The 800,000 customers are replicated from UniVerse to Oracle, although the Oracle version is only a subset of the attributes required by a differen

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Walker, Dave (Ivy Hill)
TECTED] > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:39 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: The lists are closing > > > In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard > Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Listen, Will "th

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 3/30/2004 2:53:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Will, >So, your saying that where there's a Will, there's a way to e-mail > reply to forums? ;) > >- Charles "Stop using my middle name thingy, Mom, he's > copying me > again, Mm!" Barou

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Results
Will, So, your saying that where there's a Will, there's a way to e-mail reply to forums? ;) - Charles "Stop using my middle name thingy, Mom, he's copying me again, Mm!" Barouch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/30/2004 11:02:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTE

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 3/30/2004 11:02:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > 6. The U2UG web site has U2 fora as the means of communication, something > which people have been asking for for a long time. The decision to start the > fora was made when the lists were also available s

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Ron White
e excellent work that has been done with U2UG. Ron "Oh brother, what hast thou wrought?" White :-) - Original Message - From: "David Wolverton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'U2 Users Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, Mar

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:18:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Listen, Will "the blind, deaf and possibly dumb" Johnson > > Are you hearing nothing? Please don't start insulting me you ignorant fat slob. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.ol

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 3/30/2004 5:08:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > All that subscribing to a forum will do for you is that > you'll get an > email telling you that someone has replied to something on > the forum. Dennis that's not how its setup. You do get the full postin

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:35:32 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You are partly correct when you say UV treats all data as strings. However, > if the UV programmer is careful he/she can get it to do maths processing. > Variables within UVBasic are string unless the resu

Re: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:22:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Clif, > > Sorry... I kept this discussion to the best of my Professionalism, > until a few folks here Provoked with some serious name calling. > > Its appears bad enough... > some folks here cannot disc

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 3/30/2004 12:06:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Our UV Developers tell me, everything in UV is treated as Strings.. > Do you think MATH Functions will Perform better in UV than a DataBase that > supports DataTypes? Joe this is not true Did it ever occu

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread David Wolverton
Good point!! I currently sit on a Volunteer Board (Treasurer no less) - and as anyone who does this will likely attest - there is nothing like working on a volunteer Board to make you fear for (or despise ) humanity in general! The number of after-the fact non-volunteers pointing out what we *sho

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Results
David, Don't put 'volunteer' in the past tense. We will be looking for SIG leaders soon, we will be looking for forum moderators soon, and we will be transitioning to an elected board. There's always work for more hands in an organization of this type. If IBM keeps growing the U2 market (and

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Dana Baron
Wo... Lighten up, please. We're all trying to figure this out. And its not too late to start helping out. After tomorrow's meeting of the U2UG board (an all-volunteer board, so far; we haven't gotten around to having elections yet), we may be able to put forward some ideas as to where we're go

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread David Wolverton
LOL - Ron - where were you while they were BEGGING for people to become members and attend conference call meetings to decide how to set up the user's group and forum area? It was MONTHS ago that they asked for input, but probably got just enough to realize they'd have to wing it... And in realit

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Thomas Derwin
List Cc: Subject: RE: The lists are closing There seems to be much confusion here. Let me take a shot at straightening it out: - This e-mail and any attachments may contain CONFIDENTIAL inform

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Wendy Smoak
Dennis Bartlett wrote: > All that subscribing to a forum will do for you is that > you'll get an email telling you that someone has replied > to something on the forum. > The email will NOT contain the posting, nor any reference > short of the subject line to the previous post. > In short, all com

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread george r smith
> We're pickies, we don't need to understand XML, or whatever, so long > as we can do what's required of us. Yeah, we could learn XML, if > required. Joe suggests we can't learn XML, lets see fellow pickies, XML is hierarchical what do we know that could possibly help us understand that :).

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Joe Eugene
people working on > big boy systems. > > But then again > > Les "over paid, under worked and happy" Hewkin > > -Original Message- > From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 30 March 2004 16:34 > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: RE: Mo

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Dana Baron
There seems to be much confusion here. Let me take a shot at straightening it out: 1. The U2 lists have been run by Clif Oliver for a very long time. Clif has no direct ties to IBM or any of the companies who owned the U2 products before hand. 2. Clif has been running the lists on his own time; a

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Les Hewkin
happy" Hewkin -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 March 2004 16:34 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Damn it... Don't you anything something better to do! Moderator Stopped this Thread!

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Joe Eugene
st' > Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > Joe, GET A LIFE. > > We're pickies, we don't need to understand XML, or whatever, > so long as > we can do what's required of us. Yeah, we could learn XML, > if required. > I guarant

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Anthony Youngman
neither IBM nor u2ug. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron White Sent: 30 March 2004 16:14 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The lists are closing - Original Message - From: "Anthony Youngman" <[EM

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Ron White
- Original Message - From: "Anthony Youngman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [snip] U2UG is OF the users, BY the users, and FOR the users. [snip] Cheers, Wol If this statement is true it sounds like someone wasn't listening or asking the users if they were even interested in this forum idea.

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Don Verhagen
there > are people talking about juicy thangs, but I cannot get to > see these. > > What do _you_ suggest I do? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 29 March 2004 09:03 > To: U2 Use

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Dennis Bartlett
tions, very little processing power (R83 on a single 286), costs? What costs? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Eugene Sent: 29 March 2004 06:27 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Anthony Youngman
to do with IBM apart from the fact that we see it as our mutual self-interest to work together. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Johnson Sent: 30 March 2004 14:06 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The lists are clos

Re: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Mark Johnson
ist'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 5:18 AM Subject: RE: The lists are closing > Listen, Will "the blind, deaf and possibly dumb" Johnson > > Are you hearing nothing? There are those of us who don't > live in the > land of the mi

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Keith Upton
Universe - was: The lists are closing Our UV Developers here have over 25 years of Experience doing the stuff the do... I personally am not interested in learning the details of UV since nobody really uses this kinda stuff at Corporate Level. I am simply surprised why UV is still used by a

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Donald Kibbey
As stated earlier, kindly leave the guests alone. They are tired of your flaming. If your not interested in learning some "legacy techniques" then kindly just go away and code up some wonderful stuff in vb against a nice fat Oracle data store. Bye!!! Don Kibbey Financial Systems Manager Finne

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Donald Kibbey
the EMAILS... DON'T YOU KNOW HOW TO DELETE...? > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Don Kibbey > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:13 PM > To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The list

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Lee, Andy
a web or email experience, and it's just easy. And the ads haven't gotten too heinous (yet). --Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PrecisOnline.com -Original Message- From: Anthony Youngman To: U2 Users Discussion List Sent: 30/03/04 05:19 Subject: RE: The lists are closing What do

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Anthony Youngman
March 2004 11:19 To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: The lists are closing Listen, Will "the blind, deaf and possibly dumb" Johnson Are you hearing nothing? There are those of us who don't live in the land of the mighty dollar. We have to pay for our traffic, we have e

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Dennis Bartlett
TECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 March 2004 09:03 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The lists are closing 1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus. 2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug 3) We DONT want the lists to continue Go to the web site, and ente

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-30 Thread Dennis Bartlett
e to individual forums and hop from one to the other is a tad time-consuming. Basically, without the list I'm left high and dry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wendy Smoak Sent: 29 March 2004 06:23 To: U2 Users Discussion List

RE: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Anthony Youngman
to "click on subscribe"? I didn't ... Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 March 2004 20:54 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The lists are closing Could you explain what you are refe

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Results
Mark, All I can add is that when I went to London and to Sydney, I wasn't a stranger - I was "I know you from the U2 list, right?" and I had friends in both countries. I'm doing business in South Africa, partially because of this list. The funny thing is, for every person I've helped, I'm su

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Mark Johnson
n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:35 AM Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > Joe > > You must have more time on your hands than I but I will try to reply to you > before

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Trevor Ockenden
stream' products. Poof is in the eating I'm afraid. Cheers Trevor Ockenden OSP - Original Message - From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:06 PM Subject: RE: Mo

Re: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Moderator
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Moderator Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:09 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Importance: High This is a test, right? Y'al

RE: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Joe Eugene
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Moderator >Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:09 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing >Importance: High > > > > >This is a test,

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Joe Eugene
aide) >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:43 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > >Hi Will, > >troll( P ) Pronunciation Key (trl) >v. trolled, troll*ing, trolls >v. tr. > > 1. > 1. To fish

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Joe Eugene
Dont you still get it...? Think a little bit HARDER!... Joe Eugene >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:31 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: Modern Universe -

[ADMIN] Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Moderator
This is a test, right? Y'all got together off-list and cooked this up to see if I was going to follow through or just roll over and let things free-wheel for the duration. Seriously, this kind of name calling, mud slingly, and vitriol is disturbing in its lack of professionalism. Add to tha

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Joe Eugene
, Joe Eugene >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Trevor Ockenden >Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:55 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > >Joe > >One final p

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 2:01 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Joe why are you on this list? What is the point of hanging around haranging (sp?) us if you are not interested in learning anything as you put it? Why not

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread FFT2001
Joe why are you on this list? What is the point of hanging around haranging (sp?) us if you are not interested in learning anything as you put it? Why not just leave. Will In a message dated 3/29/2004 9:30:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Our UV Developers here have over

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Trevor Ockenden
Joe One final point. You find it hard to believe people on this LIST get so defensive. May I suggest that if we were to dive into a DB2 or SQLServer LIST (if they exist) and put them down I dare say we would get some pretty abusive remarks thrown at us too. Only to be expected Trevor Ockenden O

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Joe Eugene
; From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tony Wood > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:21 PM > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > Joe, > > FYI, PICK is NOT a flavour of BASIC. Pick is a MVDB currentl

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Trevor Ockenden
Joe Thanks for the direct reply. I have had some experience with 'mainstream' databases and due mainly to my lack of knowledge and experience I found them to be cumbersome, inefficient and expensive for the type of applications I was dealing with. Having said that, I have seen some fantastic app

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Tony Gravagno
Joe Eugene wrote: >I have heard stories where several corporations migrated to RDBMS, >Never heard any LARGE Corp(Hershey, GE, BOfA etc) switch to UV/MVDBMS. Of the many companies who have migrated from MV to an RDBMS you always hear the fanfare of their initial decision but rarely of the years of

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Tony Wood
You are correct. It was your "Trivial things and stupid comments" that I was answering. Regards, T. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Joe Eugene
> Behalf Of Trevor Ockenden > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:10 PM > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > Joe > > Have I missed something here. You refer to the QUAD as having MSSQL SERVER > 2K as the database so wher

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Joe Eugene
quot;STATS" please. > > We may be able to help you after all. > > Cheers > > Trevor Ockenden > OSP > > - Original Message - > From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Trevor Ockenden
'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:15 PM Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > Is it just me or this getting really BORING! (and that's be REALLY nice > about it) > > LOL. > > > -Original Message- >

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Joe Eugene
To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > Dude, your like the dog that just won't stop humping the guests leg. Get > over it already. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL P

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Trevor Ockenden
all. Cheers Trevor Ockenden OSP - Original Message - From: "Joe Eugene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:06 PM Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > This is

RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Hona, David S
- was: The lists are closing This is what I meant ... TYPO RESULTS Machine: 950 MHZ Athlon Database: MSSQL SERVER 2K Records: 20 Million Indexes: NO Search Column: First Name Search Type: Wild Card (*) Search Time: 2 Seconds -- Machine: QUAD Processor Box (4 GHZ) Database: UV Ve

Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing

2004-03-29 Thread Tony Wood
Joe, FYI, PICK is NOT a flavour of BASIC. Pick is a MVDB currently owned by Raining Data. You do need to some more research - proper research of the topic. You can refer to UV running with a PICK flavour but nothing else. BASIC is the programming language used by most of the MVDB systems. PICK BAS

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2004-03-29 Thread Don Kibbey
- was: The lists are closing David, > All I ask is to keep an open mind as PICK plays an important role in > some areas of technology that cannot be replaced I am very open minded to all Technologies and I think every software professional will benefit from being open to technologies. I have

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2004-03-29 Thread Trevor Ockenden
ED]> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > Charles, > > Our Customer Information is stored in UV and accessed via PICK. > This FILE (as UV ppl call it) contains around 500,000 Records in it. > Everything is INDEXED P

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2004-03-29 Thread Joe Eugene
Of Logan, David (SST - Adelaide) > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:55 PM > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > Hi Joe, > > Perhaps you could share your actual searches, code and database > structure? Were you searchi

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2004-03-29 Thread Results
Joe, Have you checked the file sizes? Have you checked the index parameters? I'll make you a bet. You bring me in for a week (i'll probably need most of that week to prove my results, the fixes will take less than a day) and I bet you we can make a meaningful improvement in your response tim

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2004-03-29 Thread Results
Joe, The big corporate moves have more to do with marketing and sales than they do technical issues. Most of them have horrible ROI. I've been in companies of $500 Million and up which do not have any handle on their IT costs for non-MV work. Most companies work on a "% of gross" theory whic

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2004-03-29 Thread Logan, David (SST - Adelaide)
30 March 2004 11:17 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Charles, Our Customer Information is stored in UV and accessed via PICK. This FILE (as UV ppl call it) contains around 500,000 Records in it. Everything is INDEXED Per UV Standards. Here is sim

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2004-03-29 Thread Joe Eugene
believe UV Performs Well. Thanks, Joe Eugene > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Results > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 8:06 PM > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists ar

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2004-03-29 Thread Joe Eugene
OTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of djordan > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:43 PM > To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' > Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > Hi Joe > > I have worked with variety of databases and I think

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2004-03-29 Thread Ross Ferris
Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-----Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Michael Spencer >Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 3:12 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: Modern Uni

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2004-03-29 Thread Results
Joe, Here's a few things to consider. MV environments (including UniVerse), allow for small teams to develop and adjust business rules more quickly than you can you can in Oracle, Sybase, or Informix. Published statistics show that MV environments are roughly twice as efficient in disk usage

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2004-03-29 Thread Results
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Will Sent: March 29, 2004 3:02 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing You want Pick on the web... simple, use Visage! Patrick "Will" Williams,

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2004-03-29 Thread djordan
Hi Joe I have worked with variety of databases and I think using one performance statistic to evaluate the capabilities of one database against another is meaningless. As a professional I consider all databases for any business requirement and select on their merits. To discount MV products from

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2004-03-29 Thread Will
"What we have here is a failure to communicate." - "Cool Hand Luke" "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" - Clark Gable as "Rhett Butler in Gone with the Wind" At 12:01 PM 3/29/2004 -0500, you wrote: >"With all due respects, Sir, you are beginning to bore the hell out of me!" > >

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2004-03-29 Thread Will
an Computer Technics, Inc. 919-567-0042 Raleigh, NC - Original Message - From: Michael Spencer To: U2 Users Discussion List Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:12 AM Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing Last I looked at Visage, it: 1) required javascript

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2004-03-29 Thread HENDERSON MICHAEL MR
sed service, then I'll look by only very occasionally, or when I'm in need of help. My $NZ0.02 Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Leitner Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 04:03 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: T

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2004-03-29 Thread Joe Eugene
TECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of David T. Meeks > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:34 PM > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing > > I doubt you'd find much disagreement on that point Joe... > Unfortunately,

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2004-03-29 Thread FFT2001
referred to another? That > sound counter-intuitive to me. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:03 PM > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: Re: The lists are closing > > 1) We DO want t

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2004-03-29 Thread Tony Gravagno
I think Joe may realize a couple things: 1) He doesn't know enough about the system to criticize it. 2) The IT people in his UV shop didn't know much either. Many Pick guys get into Pick because they know their business market but not much about technology, and Pick makes it easy to write software

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2004-03-29 Thread FFT2001
Please Speak LOUDER!!! *throws you a raw steak* Will "raw steak" Johnson In a message dated 3/29/2004 12:26:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Going MainStream and staying with BIG THREE is Better for the > future of the Company's Needs. BIG THREE has A LOT OF > INVESTMENT

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