Re: graduation status

[Josh Thompson]

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Kevan,

Thanks for touching base.

Andy was out on vacation last week and is teaching a workshop this week.  
Looking at our migration todo page [1], it looks like he did most of the PMC 
chair tasks, but is waiting on responses to some of them.  The page was last 
updated on June 28th; so, the responses may have been sent to him by now.

The todo item of selecting a reporting schedule is not crossed off yet, but we 
are supposed to report monthly for the first three months.  So, I guess we 
need to get a report to them "well before the" [2] July 25th meeting.

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Migration+ToDo
[2] http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/reporting

Josh

On Monday, July 09, 2012 9:51:28 AM Kevan Miller wrote:
> How do things stand with regard to migrating to TLP?
> 
> Do we have a schedule for board reports?
> 
> --kevan
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graduation status

[Kevan Miller]

How do things stand with regard to migrating to TLP?

Do we have a schedule for board reports?

--kevan

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!

[Alan D. Cabrera]

Yay!  Congrats!


Regards,
Alan

 
On Jun 20, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:

> All,
> The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a 
> top-level ASF project.
> 
> Congratulations to all!
> 
> --kevan

RE: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!

[Grant, Donna]

Congratulations for a job well done!!!

Donna M. Grant, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
North Carolina Central University
School of Business, Computer Information Systems
C.T. Willis Commerce Building, Room 103
(919) 530-7373 (telephone)


From: Kevan Miller [kevan.mil...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:04 PM
To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org; vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!

All,
The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a 
top-level ASF project.

Congratulations to all!

--kevan

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!

[Kelly Patrice Robinson]

Great news! Congratulations!

-Kelly


On 6/20/12 2:04 PM, "Kevan Miller"  wrote:

>All,
>The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a
>top-level ASF project.
>
>Congratulations to all!
>
>--kevan

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!

[Matt Hogstrom]

Very nice, gratz ... Kevan, thanks to you for goat herding all of the things I 
can't remember :) 

On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:04 PM, Kevan Miller wrote:

> All,
> The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a 
> top-level ASF project.
> 
> Congratulations to all!
> 
> --kevan



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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!

[Aaron Peeler]

Congratulations everyone.

Cheers,
Aaron

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Josh Thompson  wrote:
> Yay! Thanks to all in the VCL community for helping make this happen, and
> special thanks to our mentors for leading us through this process!
>
> Josh
>
> On Jun 20, 2012 2:05 PM, "Kevan Miller"  wrote:
>>
>> All,
>> The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a
>> top-level ASF project.
>>
>> Congratulations to all!
>>
>> --kevan



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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!

[Young h Oh]

Congratulations!!!, All of you made it.


Young Hyun Oh
IBM Tivoli CTO Technology and Architecture



From:   Cameron Seay 
To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org,
Cc: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org
Date:   06/20/2012 02:36 PM
Subject:Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!



This is HUGE!  Well done.



On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Kevan Miller 
wrote:
> All,
> The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a
top-level ASF project.
>
> Congratulations to all!
>
> --kevan



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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!

[Cameron Seay]

This is HUGE!  Well done.



On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Kevan Miller  wrote:
> All,
> The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a 
> top-level ASF project.
>
> Congratulations to all!
>
> --kevan



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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!

[Josh Thompson]

Yay! Thanks to all in the VCL community for helping make this happen, and
special thanks to our mentors for leading us through this process!

Josh
On Jun 20, 2012 2:05 PM, "Kevan Miller"  wrote:

> All,
> The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a
> top-level ASF project.
>
> Congratulations to all!
>
> --kevan

[ANNOUNCE] Happy Graduation!

[Kevan Miller]

All,
The ASF Board has approved the resolution to establish Apache VCL as a 
top-level ASF project.

Congratulations to all!

--kevan

Re: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] graduation of VCL as a TLP

[Mark Gardner]

+1

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RE: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] graduation of VCL as a TLP

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+1

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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2012 4:28 PM
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Subject: Fwd: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] graduation of VCL as a TLP

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Subject: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] graduation of VCL as a TLP
Date: Friday, June 15, 2012, 4:26:09 PM
From: Josh Thompson 
To: gene...@incubator.apache.org

The VOTE by Apache Incubator to propose to the board graduation of the VCL 
podling to a TLP has passed. Tally of votes is as follows:

5 +1 votes (3 binding, 2 non-binding)
0  0 votes
0 -1 votes

Binding +1 votes:
Jukka Zitting
Kevan Miller
Matt Hogstrom

Non-binding +1 votes:
Aaron Peeler
Josh Thompson

This VOTE thread for this can be found at

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
general/201206.mbox/%3C3217657.HtVQX5eHGp%40treebeard%3E

I will send the proposal to the board this weekend.

Josh

On Monday, June 11, 2012 2:02:47 PM you wrote:
> IPMC members,
> 
> Given the positive feedback from Jukka Zitting and no negative 
> feedback, I'd like to request a vote for the graduation of VCL as a 
> TLP to be proposed to the ASF Board at the June board meeting.  I've 
> included the discussion email I sent last week as a reference.  I'd 
> like to close the vote on Friday morning, June 15th.  This will allow 
> the vote to be open for over 72 hours and allow enough time to get the 
> resolution submitted to the board and on the agenda for the June meeting.
> 
> Please reply with your vote.
> 
> +1 yes, VCL should graduate
>  0 don't know
> -1 no, VCL should not graduate - please include why not
> 
> Thanks,
> Josh Thompson
> PPMC member, ASF VCL
> 
> 
> 
> --  Forwarded Message  --
> 
> Subject: [DISCUSS] graduation of VCL as a TLP
> Date: Thursday, June 07, 2012, 1:18:33 PM
> From: Josh Thompson 
> To: gene...@incubator.apache.org
> 
> IPMC members,
> 
> The VCL project would like to graduate.  We think we have fulfilled 
> all of the requirements for graduation.  We had a successful community 
> graduation vote, including positive votes from 2 mentors.  The result 
> of that vote is in this email (mentors denoted by * in the list):
> 
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl-
> user/201205.mbox/ mail.g
> mail.com>
 
> We have prepared a board resolution that can be viewed on our wiki:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL/graduation-board-resolution.html
> 
> There is one member listed in the initial member list (Dmitri 
> Chebotarov) whose ICLA has been sent in but not yet processed.  If 
> something were to keep his ICLA from being processed, we understand 
> that his name would need to be removed from the list before a vote is 
> called for us to graduate.
> There was also a vote in the community to appoint Andy Kurth as our 
> initial chair.  The result for that vote is in this email:
> 
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl-
> dev/201205.mbox/%3CDD527FB1-35F4-474A-9BEB-77461F617B78%40amherst.edu%
> 3E
> 
> Please provide any feedback on our charter.  Also, let us know if 
> there are any other issues that may need to be completed before we 
> would be allowed to graduate.
> 
> Thanks,
> Josh
> --
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> VCL Developer
> North Carolina State University
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Re: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] graduation of VCL as a TLP

[Alexander Patterson]

+ 1 Alex CSUEB

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Josh Thompson  wrote:
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> FYI
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> Subject: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] graduation of VCL as a TLP
> Date: Friday, June 15, 2012, 4:26:09 PM
> From: Josh Thompson 
> To: gene...@incubator.apache.org
>
> The VOTE by Apache Incubator to propose to the board graduation of the VCL
> podling to a TLP has passed. Tally of votes is as follows:
>
> 5 +1 votes (3 binding, 2 non-binding)
> 0  0 votes
> 0 -1 votes
>
> Binding +1 votes:
> Jukka Zitting
> Kevan Miller
> Matt Hogstrom
>
> Non-binding +1 votes:
> Aaron Peeler
> Josh Thompson
>
> This VOTE thread for this can be found at
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> general/201206.mbox/%3C3217657.HtVQX5eHGp%40treebeard%3E
>
> I will send the proposal to the board this weekend.
>
> Josh
>
> On Monday, June 11, 2012 2:02:47 PM you wrote:
>> IPMC members,
>>
>> Given the positive feedback from Jukka Zitting and no negative feedback, I'd
>> like to request a vote for the graduation of VCL as a TLP to be proposed
>> to the ASF Board at the June board meeting.  I've included the discussion
>> email I sent last week as a reference.  I'd like to close the vote on
>> Friday morning, June 15th.  This will allow the vote to be open for over 72
>> hours and allow enough time to get the resolution submitted to the board
>> and on the agenda for the June meeting.
>>
>> Please reply with your vote.
>>
>> +1 yes, VCL should graduate
>>  0 don't know
>> -1 no, VCL should not graduate - please include why not
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Josh Thompson
>> PPMC member, ASF VCL
>>
>>
>>
>> --  Forwarded Message  --
>>
>> Subject: [DISCUSS] graduation of VCL as a TLP
>> Date: Thursday, June 07, 2012, 1:18:33 PM
>> From: Josh Thompson 
>> To: gene...@incubator.apache.org
>>
>> IPMC members,
>>
>> The VCL project would like to graduate.  We think we have fulfilled all of
>> the requirements for graduation.  We had a successful community
>> graduation vote, including positive votes from 2 mentors.  The result of
>> that vote is in this email (mentors denoted by * in the list):
>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl-
>> user/201205.mbox/> mail.com>
>
>> We have prepared a board resolution that can be viewed on our wiki:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL/graduation-board-resolution.html
>>
>> There is one member listed in the initial member list (Dmitri Chebotarov)
>> whose ICLA has been sent in but not yet processed.  If something were to
>> keep his ICLA from being processed, we understand that his name would
>> need to be removed from the list before a vote is called for us to
>> graduate.
>> There was also a vote in the community to appoint Andy Kurth as our initial
>> chair.  The result for that vote is in this email:
>>
>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl-
>> dev/201205.mbox/%3CDD527FB1-35F4-474A-9BEB-77461F617B78%40amherst.edu%3E
>>
>> Please provide any feedback on our charter.  Also, let us know if there are
>> any other issues that may need to be completed before we would be allowed
>> to graduate.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Josh
>> --
>> ---
>> Josh Thompson
>> VCL Developer
>> North Carolina State University
>>
>> my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
>>
>> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
>> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
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Fwd: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] graduation of VCL as a TLP

[Josh Thompson]

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Subject: Re: [VOTE][RESULT] graduation of VCL as a TLP
Date: Friday, June 15, 2012, 4:26:09 PM
From: Josh Thompson 
To: gene...@incubator.apache.org

The VOTE by Apache Incubator to propose to the board graduation of the VCL 
podling to a TLP has passed. Tally of votes is as follows:

5 +1 votes (3 binding, 2 non-binding)
0  0 votes
0 -1 votes

Binding +1 votes:
Jukka Zitting
Kevan Miller
Matt Hogstrom

Non-binding +1 votes:
Aaron Peeler
Josh Thompson

This VOTE thread for this can be found at

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
general/201206.mbox/%3C3217657.HtVQX5eHGp%40treebeard%3E

I will send the proposal to the board this weekend.

Josh

On Monday, June 11, 2012 2:02:47 PM you wrote:
> IPMC members,
> 
> Given the positive feedback from Jukka Zitting and no negative feedback, I'd
> like to request a vote for the graduation of VCL as a TLP to be proposed
> to the ASF Board at the June board meeting.  I've included the discussion
> email I sent last week as a reference.  I'd like to close the vote on
> Friday morning, June 15th.  This will allow the vote to be open for over 72
> hours and allow enough time to get the resolution submitted to the board
> and on the agenda for the June meeting.
> 
> Please reply with your vote.
> 
> +1 yes, VCL should graduate
>  0 don't know
> -1 no, VCL should not graduate - please include why not
> 
> Thanks,
> Josh Thompson
> PPMC member, ASF VCL
> 
> 
> 
> --  Forwarded Message  --
> 
> Subject: [DISCUSS] graduation of VCL as a TLP
> Date: Thursday, June 07, 2012, 1:18:33 PM
> From: Josh Thompson 
> To: gene...@incubator.apache.org
> 
> IPMC members,
> 
> The VCL project would like to graduate.  We think we have fulfilled all of
> the requirements for graduation.  We had a successful community
> graduation vote, including positive votes from 2 mentors.  The result of
> that vote is in this email (mentors denoted by * in the list):
> 
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl-
> user/201205.mbox/ mail.com>
 
> We have prepared a board resolution that can be viewed on our wiki:
> 
> https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL/graduation-board-resolution.html
> 
> There is one member listed in the initial member list (Dmitri Chebotarov) 
> whose ICLA has been sent in but not yet processed.  If something were to
> keep his ICLA from being processed, we understand that his name would
> need to be removed from the list before a vote is called for us to
> graduate. 
> There was also a vote in the community to appoint Andy Kurth as our initial
> chair.  The result for that vote is in this email:
> 
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl-
> dev/201205.mbox/%3CDD527FB1-35F4-474A-9BEB-77461F617B78%40amherst.edu%3E
> 
> Please provide any feedback on our charter.  Also, let us know if there are
> any other issues that may need to be completed before we would be allowed
> to graduate.
> 
> Thanks,
> Josh
> -- 
> ---
> Josh Thompson
> VCL Developer
> North Carolina State University
> 
> my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
> 
> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
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Re: [mentors] non-IPMC votes for graduation?

[Kevan Miller]

On Jun 14, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Josh Thompson wrote:

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> Mentors,
> 
> Are members of the VCL community supposed to be voting on the IPMC list for 
> the proposal for us to graduate?  I don't remember seeing anything about that 
> in the information on the graduation process, but I'm seeing lots of votes 
> when other projects have called for a graduation vote and not many for our 
> current vote.

In general, all votes are welcome in any ASF election. Only Incubator PMC votes 
are binding in the vote. But all votes (binding and non-binding) are welcome.

I encourage you to vote. It's helpful if you annotate your vote as 
(non-binding).

--kevan

[mentors] non-IPMC votes for graduation?

[Josh Thompson]

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Mentors,

Are members of the VCL community supposed to be voting on the IPMC list for 
the proposal for us to graduate?  I don't remember seeing anything about that 
in the information on the graduation process, but I'm seeing lots of votes 
when other projects have called for a graduation vote and not many for our 
current vote.

Thanks,
Josh
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Re: [VOTE] graduation of VCL as a TLP

[Aaron Peeler]

Awesome - Thanks.

For folks that may want to monitor the vote and are not on that
mailing list, the thread is available in the archives.

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201206.mbox/browser

I'm not sure how often it is updated, but at least a few times a day.


Aaron

On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Josh Thompson  wrote:
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> FYI - I just called for a vote on proposing that VCL graduate.
>
> - --  Forwarded Message  --
>
> Subject: [VOTE] graduation of VCL as a TLP
> Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 2:02:47 PM
> From: Josh Thompson 
> To: gene...@incubator.apache.org
>
> IPMC members,
>
> Given the positive feedback from Jukka Zitting and no negative feedback, I'd
> like to request a vote for the graduation of VCL as a TLP to be proposed to
> the ASF Board at the June board meeting.  I've included the discussion email I
> sent last week as a reference.  I'd like to close the vote on Friday morning,
> June 15th.  This will allow the vote to be open for over 72 hours and allow
> enough time to get the resolution submitted to the board and on the agenda for
> the June meeting.
>
> Please reply with your vote.
>
> +1 yes, VCL should graduate
>  0 don't know
> - -1 no, VCL should not graduate - please include why not
>
> Thanks,
> Josh Thompson
> PPMC member, ASF VCL
>
>
>
> - --  Forwarded Message  --
>
> Subject: [DISCUSS] graduation of VCL as a TLP
> Date: Thursday, June 07, 2012, 1:18:33 PM
> From: Josh Thompson 
> To: gene...@incubator.apache.org
>
> IPMC members,
>
> The VCL project would like to graduate.  We think we have fulfilled all of the
> requirements for graduation.  We had a successful community graduation vote,
> including positive votes from 2 mentors.  The result of that vote is in this
> email (mentors denoted by * in the list):
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl-
> user/201205.mbox/
>
> We have prepared a board resolution that can be viewed on our wiki:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL/graduation-board-resolution.html
>
> There is one member listed in the initial member list (Dmitri Chebotarov)
> whose ICLA has been sent in but not yet processed.  If something were to keep
> his ICLA from being processed, we understand that his name would need to be
> removed from the list before a vote is called for us to graduate.
>
> There was also a vote in the community to appoint Andy Kurth as our initial
> chair.  The result for that vote is in this email:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl-
> dev/201205.mbox/%3CDD527FB1-35F4-474A-9BEB-77461F617B78%40amherst.edu%3E
>
> Please provide any feedback on our charter.  Also, let us know if there are
> any other issues that may need to be completed before we would be allowed to
> graduate.
>
> Thanks,
> Josh
> - --
> - ---
> Josh Thompson
> VCL Developer
> North Carolina State University
>
> my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
>
> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
> - -
> - --
> - ---
> Josh Thompson
> VCL Developer
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Fwd: [VOTE] graduation of VCL as a TLP

[Josh Thompson]

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FYI - I just called for a vote on proposing that VCL graduate.

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Subject: [VOTE] graduation of VCL as a TLP
Date: Monday, June 11, 2012, 2:02:47 PM
From: Josh Thompson 
To: gene...@incubator.apache.org

IPMC members,

Given the positive feedback from Jukka Zitting and no negative feedback, I'd 
like to request a vote for the graduation of VCL as a TLP to be proposed to 
the ASF Board at the June board meeting.  I've included the discussion email I 
sent last week as a reference.  I'd like to close the vote on Friday morning, 
June 15th.  This will allow the vote to be open for over 72 hours and allow 
enough time to get the resolution submitted to the board and on the agenda for 
the June meeting.

Please reply with your vote.

+1 yes, VCL should graduate
 0 don't know
- -1 no, VCL should not graduate - please include why not

Thanks,
Josh Thompson
PPMC member, ASF VCL



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Subject: [DISCUSS] graduation of VCL as a TLP
Date: Thursday, June 07, 2012, 1:18:33 PM
From: Josh Thompson 
To: gene...@incubator.apache.org

IPMC members,

The VCL project would like to graduate.  We think we have fulfilled all of the 
requirements for graduation.  We had a successful community graduation vote, 
including positive votes from 2 mentors.  The result of that vote is in this 
email (mentors denoted by * in the list):

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl-
user/201205.mbox/

We have prepared a board resolution that can be viewed on our wiki:

https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL/graduation-board-resolution.html

There is one member listed in the initial member list (Dmitri Chebotarov) 
whose ICLA has been sent in but not yet processed.  If something were to keep 
his ICLA from being processed, we understand that his name would need to be 
removed from the list before a vote is called for us to graduate.

There was also a vote in the community to appoint Andy Kurth as our initial 
chair.  The result for that vote is in this email:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl-
dev/201205.mbox/%3CDD527FB1-35F4-474A-9BEB-77461F617B78%40amherst.edu%3E

Please provide any feedback on our charter.  Also, let us know if there are 
any other issues that may need to be completed before we would be allowed to 
graduate.

Thanks,
Josh
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Re: graduation proposal?

[Kevan Miller]

On Jun 6, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:

> I don't think there can be any conditionals when the actual vote takes
> place.  However, we first need to propose the charter on the general
> incubator list and allow time for discussion.  I propose adding his
> name to the charter and proposing it on the incubator list.  Mention
> that his ICLA is currently being worked on and the vote won't begin
> until the ICLA is on file.  If the ICLA can't be done in a timely
> matter his name will be removed and than the vote will begin.  I
> believe we can always add him to the project later as if we are adding
> a new committer.

ICLA, id creation, and svn karma should all be in place, now. So, shouldn't be 
a hold up.

Board meeting is the 20th. Allowing enough time for a IPMC vote (and any 
discussions that it triggers), we're running very short on time. Suggest you 
turn the discussion into a vote, soon.

--kevan

Fwd: [DISCUSS] graduation of VCL as a TLP

[Josh Thompson]

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FYI - I just sent this to the general incubator list.

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From: Josh Thompson 
Date: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Subject: [DISCUSS] graduation of VCL as a TLP
To: gene...@incubator.apache.org

IPMC members,

The VCL project would like to graduate.  We think we have fulfilled all of the
requirements for graduation.  We had a successful community graduation vote,
including positive votes from 2 mentors.  The result of that vote is in this
email (mentors denoted by * in the list):

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl-
user/201205.mbox/

We have prepared a board resolution that can be viewed on our wiki:

https://cwiki.apache.org/VCL/graduation-board-resolution.html

There is one member listed in the initial member list (Dmitri Chebotarov)
whose ICLA has been sent in but not yet processed.  If something were to keep
his ICLA from being processed, we understand that his name would need to be
removed from the list before a vote is called for us to graduate.

There was also a vote in the community to appoint Andy Kurth as our initial
chair.  The result for that vote is in this email:

http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-vcl-
dev/201205.mbox/%3CDD527FB1-35F4-474A-9BEB-77461F617B78%40amherst.edu%3E

Please provide any feedback on our charter.  Also, let us know if there are
any other issues that may need to be completed before we would be allowed to
graduate.

Thanks,
Josh
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Re: graduation proposal?

[Art Vandenberg]

Seems a reasonable approach to moving forward on graduation.

Art

On Jun 6, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:

> I think that works.
> 
> On Jun 6, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:
> 
>> I don't think there can be any conditionals when the actual vote takes
>> place.  However, we first need to propose the charter on the general
>> incubator list and allow time for discussion.  I propose adding his
>> name to the charter and proposing it on the incubator list.  Mention
>> that his ICLA is currently being worked on and the vote won't begin
>> until the ICLA is on file.  If the ICLA can't be done in a timely
>> matter his name will be removed and than the vote will begin.  I
>> believe we can always add him to the project later as if we are adding
>> a new committer.
>> 
>> -Andy
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Josh Thompson  wrote:
>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>>> According to
>>> 
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel
>>> 
>>> there needs to be a vote at the IPMC level.  Should we go ahead and start 
>>> that
>>> process and mention that we may add one person (Dmitri) to the initial 
>>> member
>>> list in the charter if his ICLA gets filed in time?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Josh
>>> 
>>> On Monday, June 04, 2012 1:31:26 PM Kevan Miller wrote:
>>>> If we are to graduate this month, we're running short on time. I don't
>>>> recall a vote being sent to general@
>>>> 
>>>> --kevan
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>>> North Carolina State University
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Re: graduation proposal?

[Matt Hogstrom]

I think that works.

On Jun 6, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Andy Kurth wrote:

> I don't think there can be any conditionals when the actual vote takes
> place.  However, we first need to propose the charter on the general
> incubator list and allow time for discussion.  I propose adding his
> name to the charter and proposing it on the incubator list.  Mention
> that his ICLA is currently being worked on and the vote won't begin
> until the ICLA is on file.  If the ICLA can't be done in a timely
> matter his name will be removed and than the vote will begin.  I
> believe we can always add him to the project later as if we are adding
> a new committer.
> 
> -Andy
> 
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Josh Thompson  wrote:
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>> 
>> According to
>> 
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel
>> 
>> there needs to be a vote at the IPMC level.  Should we go ahead and start 
>> that
>> process and mention that we may add one person (Dmitri) to the initial member
>> list in the charter if his ICLA gets filed in time?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Josh
>> 
>> On Monday, June 04, 2012 1:31:26 PM Kevan Miller wrote:
>>> If we are to graduate this month, we're running short on time. I don't
>>> recall a vote being sent to general@
>>> 
>>> --kevan
>> - --
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>> Josh Thompson
>> VCL Developer
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>> 
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Re: graduation proposal?

[Mark Gardner]

I agree.

On Jun 6, 2012 3:56 PM, "fapee...@ncsu.edu"  wrote:

I agree.

Aaron


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Date: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 3:0...

Re: graduation proposal?

[fapee...@ncsu.edu]

I agree.

Aaron

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Date: Wed, Jun 6, 2012 3:00 pm
Subject: graduation proposal?
To: 

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I see I didn't state what I was thinking.  I was thinking what you said - to 
get the IPMC discussion part handled so that we don't have to work through 
that at the last minute.

I'd say let's go ahead with what Andy suggested.  Other thoughts?

Josh

On Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:24:11 PM Andy Kurth wrote:
> I don't think there can be any conditionals when the actual vote takes
> place.  However, we first need to propose the charter on the general
> incubator list and allow time for discussion.  I propose adding his
> name to the charter and proposing it on the incubator list.  Mention
> that his ICLA is currently being worked on and the vote won't begin
> until the ICLA is on file.  If the ICLA can't be done in a timely
> matter his name will be removed and than the vote will begin.  I
> believe we can always add him to the project later as if we are adding
> a new committer.
> 
> -Andy
> 
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Josh Thompson  
wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> > 
> > According to
> > 
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel
> > 
> > there needs to be a vote at the IPMC level.  Should we go ahead and start
> > that process and mention that we may add one person (Dmitri) to the
> > initial member list in the charter if his ICLA gets filed in time?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Josh
> > 
> > On Monday, June 04, 2012 1:31:26 PM Kevan Miller wrote:
> >> If we are to graduate this month, we're running short on time. I don't
> >> recall a vote being sent to general@
> >> 
> >> --kevan
> > 
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Re: graduation proposal?

[Josh Thompson]

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I see I didn't state what I was thinking.  I was thinking what you said - to 
get the IPMC discussion part handled so that we don't have to work through 
that at the last minute.

I'd say let's go ahead with what Andy suggested.  Other thoughts?

Josh

On Wednesday, June 06, 2012 2:24:11 PM Andy Kurth wrote:
> I don't think there can be any conditionals when the actual vote takes
> place.  However, we first need to propose the charter on the general
> incubator list and allow time for discussion.  I propose adding his
> name to the charter and proposing it on the incubator list.  Mention
> that his ICLA is currently being worked on and the vote won't begin
> until the ICLA is on file.  If the ICLA can't be done in a timely
> matter his name will be removed and than the vote will begin.  I
> believe we can always add him to the project later as if we are adding
> a new committer.
> 
> -Andy
> 
> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Josh Thompson  
wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> > 
> > According to
> > 
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel
> > 
> > there needs to be a vote at the IPMC level.  Should we go ahead and start
> > that process and mention that we may add one person (Dmitri) to the
> > initial member list in the charter if his ICLA gets filed in time?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Josh
> > 
> > On Monday, June 04, 2012 1:31:26 PM Kevan Miller wrote:
> >> If we are to graduate this month, we're running short on time. I don't
> >> recall a vote being sent to general@
> >> 
> >> --kevan
> > 
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Re: graduation proposal?

[Andy Kurth]

I don't think there can be any conditionals when the actual vote takes
place.  However, we first need to propose the charter on the general
incubator list and allow time for discussion.  I propose adding his
name to the charter and proposing it on the incubator list.  Mention
that his ICLA is currently being worked on and the vote won't begin
until the ICLA is on file.  If the ICLA can't be done in a timely
matter his name will be removed and than the vote will begin.  I
believe we can always add him to the project later as if we are adding
a new committer.

-Andy

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Josh Thompson  wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> According to
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel
>
> there needs to be a vote at the IPMC level.  Should we go ahead and start that
> process and mention that we may add one person (Dmitri) to the initial member
> list in the charter if his ICLA gets filed in time?
>
> Thanks,
> Josh
>
> On Monday, June 04, 2012 1:31:26 PM Kevan Miller wrote:
>> If we are to graduate this month, we're running short on time. I don't
>> recall a vote being sent to general@
>>
>> --kevan
> - --
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> VCL Developer
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>
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Re: graduation proposal?

[Josh Thompson]

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According to

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel

there needs to be a vote at the IPMC level.  Should we go ahead and start that 
process and mention that we may add one person (Dmitri) to the initial member 
list in the charter if his ICLA gets filed in time?

Thanks,
Josh

On Monday, June 04, 2012 1:31:26 PM Kevan Miller wrote:
> If we are to graduate this month, we're running short on time. I don't
> recall a vote being sent to general@
> 
> --kevan
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Re: graduation proposal?

[Josh Thompson]

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Kevan,

Thanks for the reminder.  I think everything will be ready for sending the 
board resolution to the general list after we get a userid from Dmitri.  I 
went ahead and changed all of the bold parts on the resolution wiki page to 
normal fonts.

Josh

On Monday, June 04, 2012 1:31:26 PM Kevan Miller wrote:
> If we are to graduate this month, we're running short on time. I don't
> recall a vote being sent to general@
> 
> --kevan
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graduation proposal?

[Kevan Miller]

If we are to graduate this month, we're running short on time. I don't recall a 
vote being sent to general@

--kevan

Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Alan D. Cabrera]

+1 Just so Matt doesn't look so bad.. :)


Regards,
Alan

 
On May 31, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:

> Add my +1 ... late as it is
> 
> Matt Hogstrom
> m...@hogstrom.org
> 
> A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine
> 
> On May 31, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Aaron and everyone else who voted!  I updated the wiki page:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution
>> 
>> -Andy
>> 
>> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Aaron Coburn  wrote:
>>> +1
>>> 
>>> And with that, the tally for this vote is:
>>> 
>>> 16 positive votes
>>> 1 neutral vote
>>> 0 negative votes
>>> 
>>> At this point, with such a positive display of support from the community, 
>>> I believe we can now add Andy's name to the Graduation Board Resolution.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Aaron Coburn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Aaron Coburn
>>> Systems Administrator and Programmer
>>> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
>>> acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 24, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote:
>>> 
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a 
>>> position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. 
>>> Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process 
>>> of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
>>> 
>>> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
>>> 
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
>>> 
>>> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, 
>>> and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based 
>>> on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management 
>>> Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints 
>>> the chair.
>>> 
>>> -Aaron Coburn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Aaron Coburn
>>> Systems Administrator and Programmer
>>> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
>>> acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Matt Hogstrom]

Add my +1 ... late as it is

Matt Hogstrom
m...@hogstrom.org

A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine

On May 31, 2012, at 10:11 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:

> Thanks Aaron and everyone else who voted!  I updated the wiki page:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution
> 
> -Andy
> 
> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Aaron Coburn  wrote:
>> +1
>> 
>> And with that, the tally for this vote is:
>> 
>> 16 positive votes
>> 1 neutral vote
>> 0 negative votes
>> 
>> At this point, with such a positive display of support from the community, I 
>> believe we can now add Andy's name to the Graduation Board Resolution.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Aaron Coburn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Aaron Coburn
>> Systems Administrator and Programmer
>> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
>> acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 24, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote:
>> 
>> All,
>> 
>> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a 
>> position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. 
>> Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process 
>> of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
>> 
>> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
>> 
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
>> 
>> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, 
>> and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based 
>> on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management 
>> Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints 
>> the chair.
>> 
>> -Aaron Coburn
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Aaron Coburn
>> Systems Administrator and Programmer
>> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
>> acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 



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Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Andy Kurth]

Thanks Aaron and everyone else who voted!  I updated the wiki page:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution

-Andy

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Aaron Coburn  wrote:
> +1
>
> And with that, the tally for this vote is:
>
> 16 positive votes
> 1 neutral vote
> 0 negative votes
>
> At this point, with such a positive display of support from the community, I 
> believe we can now add Andy's name to the Graduation Board Resolution.
>
>
>
>
> Aaron Coburn
>
>
>
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
> acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On May 24, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a 
> position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. 
> Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process 
> of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
>
> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
>
> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, 
> and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on 
> the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management 
> Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints 
> the chair.
>
> -Aaron Coburn
>
>
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
> acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Aaron Coburn]

+1

And with that, the tally for this vote is:

16 positive votes
1 neutral vote
0 negative votes

At this point, with such a positive display of support from the community, I 
believe we can now add Andy's name to the Graduation Board Resolution.




Aaron Coburn



--
Aaron Coburn
Systems Administrator and Programmer
Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>






On May 24, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote:

All,

I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position 
that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting 
someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating 
from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.

For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution

The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and 
these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the 
consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) 
makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair.

-Aaron Coburn


--
Aaron Coburn
Systems Administrator and Programmer
Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>

Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Andy Kurth]

+0

Thanks for the support everyone!  The intention of my +0 vote is to
officially indicate I'm willing to serve as chair without actually
voting for myself.

-Andy

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn  wrote:
> All,
>
> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a 
> position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. 
> Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process 
> of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
>
> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
>
> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, 
> and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on 
> the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management 
> Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints 
> the chair.
>
> -Aaron Coburn
>
>
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
> acob...@amherst.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Miller, Tony]

+1

-- 
Tony Miller
Technology Consultant, ITCS
Austin 106N /\ 737-1515 /\ mill...@ecu.edu /\ http://blog.ecu.edu/techtips

-Original Message-
From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:04 AM
To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

All,

I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position 
that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting 
someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating 
from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.

For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution

The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and 
these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the 
consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) 
makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair.

-Aaron Coburn


--
Aaron Coburn
Systems Administrator and Programmer
Academic Technology Services, Amherst College 
acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>

Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Kevan Miller]

+1

--kevan
On May 24, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote:

> All,
> 
> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a 
> position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. 
> Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process 
> of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
> 
> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
> 
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
> 
> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, 
> and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on 
> the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management 
> Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints 
> the chair.
> 
> -Aaron Coburn
> 
> 
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
> acob...@amherst.edu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Josh Thompson]

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+1

On Thursday, May 24, 2012 3:03:42 PM Aaron Coburn wrote:
> All,
> 
> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a
> position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project.
> Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process
> of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
> 
> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
> 
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
> 
> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role,
> and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based
> on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management
> Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints
> the chair.
> 
> -Aaron Coburn
> 
> 
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
> acob...@amherst.edu
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Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Henry Schaffer]

+1

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn  wrote:
> All,
>
> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a 
> position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. 
> Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process 
> of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
>
> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
>
> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, 
> and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on 
> the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management 
> Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints 
> the chair.
>
> -Aaron Coburn
>
>
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
> acob...@amherst.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Sanders, Arbin D]

+1 

Go Andy!

Arbin Darren Sanders
 
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-Original Message-
From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:04 AM
To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

All,

I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position 
that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting 
someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating 
from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.

For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution

The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and 
these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the 
consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) 
makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair.

-Aaron Coburn


--
Aaron Coburn
Systems Administrator and Programmer
Academic Technology Services, Amherst College 
acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>







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Re: Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Dmitri Chebotarov]

+1 


--
Thank you,

Dmitri Chebotarov
Virtual Computing Lab Systems Engineer, TSD - Ent Servers & Messaging
223 Aquia Building, Ffx, MSN: 1B5
Phone: (703) 993-6175
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On Thursday, May 24, 2012 at 11:44 , Hidalgo, Rommel wrote:

> +1
> 
> 
> Rommel Hidalgo
> Division of Information Technology
> California State University, Fullerton
> rhida...@fullerton.edu (mailto:rhida...@fullerton.edu)
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] 
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:04 AM
> To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org (mailto:vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org)
> Subject: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
> 
> All,
> 
> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a 
> position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. 
> Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process 
> of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
> 
> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
> 
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
> 
> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, 
> and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on 
> the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management 
> Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints 
> the chair.
> 
> -Aaron Coburn
> 
> 
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College 
> acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>
> 
> 

RE: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Hidalgo, Rommel]

+1


Rommel Hidalgo
Division of Information Technology
California State University, Fullerton
rhida...@fullerton.edu


-Original Message-
From: Aaron Coburn [mailto:acob...@amherst.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:04 AM
To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

All,

I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position 
that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting 
someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating 
from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.

For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution

The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and 
these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the 
consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) 
makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair.

-Aaron Coburn


--
Aaron Coburn
Systems Administrator and Programmer
Academic Technology Services, Amherst College 
acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>

Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Art Vandenberg]

+1

An excellent nomination.

Art
On May 24, 2012, at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote:

> All,
> 
> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a 
> position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. 
> Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process 
> of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
> 
> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
> 
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
> 
> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, 
> and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on 
> the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management 
> Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints 
> the chair.
> 
> -Aaron Coburn
> 
> 
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
> acob...@amherst.edu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Art Vandenberg
Account Manager/Research Function
Customer Relations, IS&T
Information Systems & Technology
Georgia State University
avandenb...@gsu.edu
+1 404 413 4743
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RE: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Kelly Patrice Robinson]

+1

From: Aaron Coburn [acob...@amherst.edu]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:03 AM
To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

All,

I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position 
that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting 
someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating 
from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.

For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution

The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and 
these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the 
consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) 
makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair.

-Aaron Coburn


--
Aaron Coburn
Systems Administrator and Programmer
Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>

Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Mark Gardner]

+1

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Waldron, Michael H
 wrote:
> +1
>
>
> Mike Waldron
> Systems Specialist
> ITS Research Computing
> University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> CB #3420, ITS Manning, Rm 2509
> 919-962-9778
> 
> From: Aaron Coburn [acob...@amherst.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:03 AM
> To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation
>
> All,
>
> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a 
> position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. 
> Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process 
> of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
>
> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
>
> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, 
> and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on 
> the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management 
> Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints 
> the chair.
>
> -Aaron Coburn
>
>
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
> acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>
>
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
Mark Gardner
--

Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Young h Oh]

+1
Young Hyun Oh
IBM Tivoli CTO Technology and Architecture



From:   Larry Burton 
To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org,
Date:   05/24/2012 11:15 AM
Subject:Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation



+1
Larry

Aaron Coburn wrote:
> All,
>
> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a
position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project.
Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process
of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
>
> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
>
> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this
role, and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community.
Based on the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project
Management Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which
actually appoints the chair.
>
> -Aaron Coburn
>
>
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
> acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Waldron, Michael H]

+1


Mike Waldron
Systems Specialist
ITS Research Computing
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
CB #3420, ITS Manning, Rm 2509
919-962-9778

From: Aaron Coburn [acob...@amherst.edu]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:03 AM
To: vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

All,

I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position 
that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting 
someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating 
from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.

For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution

The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and 
these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the 
consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) 
makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair.

-Aaron Coburn


--
Aaron Coburn
Systems Administrator and Programmer
Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>

Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[James O'Dell]

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+1

On 5/24/2012 8:03 AM, Aaron Coburn wrote:
> All,
> 
> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a 
> position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. 
> Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process 
> of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
> 
> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
> 
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
> 
> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, 
> and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on 
> the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management 
> Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints 
> the chair.
> 
> -Aaron Coburn
> 
> 
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
> acob...@amherst.edu
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Email: jod...@fullerton.edu
Phone: (657) 278-2256
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Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Larry Burton]

+1
Larry

Aaron Coburn wrote:

All,

I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position 
that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting 
someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating 
from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.

For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution

The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and 
these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the 
consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) 
makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair.

-Aaron Coburn


--
Aaron Coburn
Systems Administrator and Programmer
Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
acob...@amherst.edu







  

Re: [VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Aaron Peeler]

+1

Aaron P.

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Aaron Coburn  wrote:
> All,
>
> I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a 
> position that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. 
> Selecting someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process 
> of graduating from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.
>
> For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution
>
> The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, 
> and these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on 
> the consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management 
> Committee) makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints 
> the chair.
>
> -Aaron Coburn
>
>
> --
> Aaron Coburn
> Systems Administrator and Programmer
> Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
> acob...@amherst.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>



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[VOTE] Andy Kurth as PMC chair after graduation

[Aaron Coburn]

All,

I would like to nominate Andy Kurth as the first VCL chair. This is a position 
that is responsible for the proper operation of the VCL project. Selecting 
someone for this position is also a necessary step in the process of graduating 
from incubator status to a top-level Apache project.

For those of you interested in the details, they can be found here:

http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-resolution

The process is like so: anyone can nominate a person to serve in this role, and 
these nominations are discussed and voted upon in the community. Based on the 
consensus from the community, the PPMC (Podling Project Management Committee) 
makes a recommendation to the ASF Board, which actually appoints the chair.

-Aaron Coburn


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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation - Prepare Board Resolution

[Kevan Miller]

Oops. Moving to vcl-dev rather than vcl-user.

On May 18, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:

> I have created a Confluence page which we can use to work out the
> board resolution:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution
> 
> Once we are comfortable with the resolution, one of the PPMC members
> will propose it on the general incubator list.  The areas we need to
> work on are in bold.  We need to define the project description and
> scope.  I wrote this as "dynamically provisioning and brokering remote
> access to compute resources".  Thoughts?
> 
> Please check the list of initial members to make sure I didn't leave
> anyone out.  This list includes both PPMC members and committers,
> correct?  If we are in agreement that the list will be the committers
> after graduation, should the status file be changed now?

It would be good to list all current "committers" who aren't on this list. From 
a quick scan, it looks like bmbouter made some commits in 2009 and isn't 
included. Which is OK. But from my experience, best to be explicit on these 
matters, and discuss the criteria used to determine the list. Make sure you're 
including documentation contributions and mailing list discussions etc. 

Alan said he'd follow the project to help insure a smooth graduation. So, I'd 
add him. You can leave me on the list, also.

No. Don't change status file. Technically, that would require a vote…


> 
> The PPMC members also need to appoint a chair for the project.  I
> would be willing to do this.  Anyone else interested?

I"m happy with the choice of the community.

> 
> Also, 2 more issues regarding the status file:
> The stock bullets under "Project info" should be removed.
> 
> The description is currently "VCL is a management framework for
> building, dispensing and managing virtual machine images across a set
> of bare metal machines or systems with an installed virtual machine
> hypervisor."  I don't think this is quite accurate.  How about "VCL is
> a modular cloud computing platform which dynamically provisions and
> brokers remote access to compute resources."?

I'll look at details of the text later… May be next week...

--kevan

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation - Prepare Board Resolution

[Aaron Coburn]

On May 18, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:

> I have created a Confluence page which we can use to work out the
> board resolution:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution
> 
> Once we are comfortable with the resolution, one of the PPMC members
> will propose it on the general incubator list.  The areas we need to
> work on are in bold.  We need to define the project description and
> scope.  I wrote this as "dynamically provisioning and brokering remote
> access to compute resources".  Thoughts?

Thanks for writing this. It sounds great.

> Please check the list of initial members to make sure I didn't leave
> anyone out.  This list includes both PPMC members and committers,
> correct?  If we are in agreement that the list will be the committers
> after graduation, should the status file be changed now?
> 
> The PPMC members also need to appoint a chair for the project.  I
> would be willing to do this.  Anyone else interested?

I would support having Andy serve as chair.

> Also, 2 more issues regarding the status file:
> The stock bullets under "Project info" should be removed.
> 
> The description is currently "VCL is a management framework for
> building, dispensing and managing virtual machine images across a set
> of bare metal machines or systems with an installed virtual machine
> hypervisor."  I don't think this is quite accurate.  How about "VCL is
> a modular cloud computing platform which dynamically provisions and
> brokers remote access to compute resources."?

That sounds much better (though I believe a comma should precede 'which').

Aaron Coburn


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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation - Prepare Board Resolution

[Mark Gardner]

Andy,

I believe one of the strengths of VCL is in its ability to manage
software license issues and use roles to manage who has access to
what. Is this something that should be included or should we save that
for a later and longer description further down the page.

Mark

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Andy Kurth  wrote:
> I have created a Confluence page which we can use to work out the
> board resolution:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution
>
> Once we are comfortable with the resolution, one of the PPMC members
> will propose it on the general incubator list.  The areas we need to
> work on are in bold.  We need to define the project description and
> scope.  I wrote this as "dynamically provisioning and brokering remote
> access to compute resources".  Thoughts?
>
> Please check the list of initial members to make sure I didn't leave
> anyone out.  This list includes both PPMC members and committers,
> correct?  If we are in agreement that the list will be the committers
> after graduation, should the status file be changed now?
>
> The PPMC members also need to appoint a chair for the project.  I
> would be willing to do this.  Anyone else interested?
>
> Also, 2 more issues regarding the status file:
> The stock bullets under "Project info" should be removed.
>
> The description is currently "VCL is a management framework for
> building, dispensing and managing virtual machine images across a set
> of bare metal machines or systems with an installed virtual machine
> hypervisor."  I don't think this is quite accurate.  How about "VCL is
> a modular cloud computing platform which dynamically provisions and
> brokers remote access to compute resources."?
>
> Thanks,
> Andy



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[DISCUSS] Graduation - Prepare Board Resolution

[Andy Kurth]

I have created a Confluence page which we can use to work out the
board resolution:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/VCL/Graduation+Board+Resolution

Once we are comfortable with the resolution, one of the PPMC members
will propose it on the general incubator list.  The areas we need to
work on are in bold.  We need to define the project description and
scope.  I wrote this as "dynamically provisioning and brokering remote
access to compute resources".  Thoughts?

Please check the list of initial members to make sure I didn't leave
anyone out.  This list includes both PPMC members and committers,
correct?  If we are in agreement that the list will be the committers
after graduation, should the status file be changed now?

The PPMC members also need to appoint a chair for the project.  I
would be willing to do this.  Anyone else interested?

Also, 2 more issues regarding the status file:
The stock bullets under "Project info" should be removed.

The description is currently "VCL is a management framework for
building, dispensing and managing virtual machine images across a set
of bare metal machines or systems with an installed virtual machine
hypervisor."  I don't think this is quite accurate.  How about "VCL is
a modular cloud computing platform which dynamically provisions and
brokers remote access to compute resources."?

Thanks,
Andy

Re: Graduation

[Aaron Peeler]

My thoughts exactly. Thanks to each of you for your advice and mentoring.

Best Regards,
Aaron

On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Josh Thompson  wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Kevan Miller  wrote:
>>
>> On May 14, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On May 12, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To record my perspective -- I will support graduation as a TLP. I do not, 
>>>>> however, intend to continue my participation in the community. I may 
>>>>> monitor mailing lists from time-to-time, but do not wish to be a 
>>>>> committer/PMC member.
>>>>
>>>> I too think its time and support graduation to TLP.  Kevan also represents 
>>>> my intention wrt to involvement.
>>>
>>> It's customary for a mentor to stay on for a quarter or two to monitor the 
>>> project and make sure that there's a smooth transition.  It's not clear to 
>>> me that this is the role that you and Kevan intend to fulfill.  If so, 
>>> great.  If not, I can hang around until the apron strings are fully cut.
>>
>> Thanks Alan.
>>
>> I plan on following mailing lists and monitoring the community. As a member, 
>> i'll also follow the private@ mailing list. However, I would really rather 
>> not have a formal responsibility of PMC member. Perhaps shirking my 
>> responsibilities, but I'm already on too many PMC's for projects I've 
>> mentored. Harder to quit once I've started… Easier to avoid at the start.
>>
>> --kevan
>
> Kevan,
>
> I don't consider it shirking your responsibility to not continue on the PMC.
>
> Alan, Kevan, and Matt,
>
> We really appreciate your help to our project and community as our
> mentors.  I doubt you had any idea your commitment to us as mentors
> would be for as long as it has been.  Thanks for all the time and
> effort you have put into mentoring us in the Apache Way!  It is
> totally understandable if you want to cut strings with us as soon as
> we graduate.  We would appreciate any input you have in the few months
> after we graduate but understand if you want to limit that commitment.
>
> Josh



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Re: Graduation

[Josh Thompson]

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Kevan Miller  wrote:
>
> On May 14, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 12, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> To record my perspective -- I will support graduation as a TLP. I do not, 
>>>> however, intend to continue my participation in the community. I may 
>>>> monitor mailing lists from time-to-time, but do not wish to be a 
>>>> committer/PMC member.
>>>
>>> I too think its time and support graduation to TLP.  Kevan also represents 
>>> my intention wrt to involvement.
>>
>> It's customary for a mentor to stay on for a quarter or two to monitor the 
>> project and make sure that there's a smooth transition.  It's not clear to 
>> me that this is the role that you and Kevan intend to fulfill.  If so, 
>> great.  If not, I can hang around until the apron strings are fully cut.
>
> Thanks Alan.
>
> I plan on following mailing lists and monitoring the community. As a member, 
> i'll also follow the private@ mailing list. However, I would really rather 
> not have a formal responsibility of PMC member. Perhaps shirking my 
> responsibilities, but I'm already on too many PMC's for projects I've 
> mentored. Harder to quit once I've started… Easier to avoid at the start.
>
> --kevan

Kevan,

I don't consider it shirking your responsibility to not continue on the PMC.

Alan, Kevan, and Matt,

We really appreciate your help to our project and community as our
mentors.  I doubt you had any idea your commitment to us as mentors
would be for as long as it has been.  Thanks for all the time and
effort you have put into mentoring us in the Apache Way!  It is
totally understandable if you want to cut strings with us as soon as
we graduate.  We would appreciate any input you have in the few months
after we graduate but understand if you want to limit that commitment.

Josh

Re: Graduation

[Kevan Miller]

On May 14, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:

> 
> On May 12, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> To record my perspective -- I will support graduation as a TLP. I do not, 
>>> however, intend to continue my participation in the community. I may 
>>> monitor mailing lists from time-to-time, but do not wish to be a 
>>> committer/PMC member.
>> 
>> I too think its time and support graduation to TLP.  Kevan also represents 
>> my intention wrt to involvement.  
> 
> It's customary for a mentor to stay on for a quarter or two to monitor the 
> project and make sure that there's a smooth transition.  It's not clear to me 
> that this is the role that you and Kevan intend to fulfill.  If so, great.  
> If not, I can hang around until the apron strings are fully cut.

Thanks Alan.

I plan on following mailing lists and monitoring the community. As a member, 
i'll also follow the private@ mailing list. However, I would really rather not 
have a formal responsibility of PMC member. Perhaps shirking my 
responsibilities, but I'm already on too many PMC's for projects I've mentored. 
Harder to quit once I've started… Easier to avoid at the start.

--kevan

Re: Graduation

[Alan D. Cabrera]

On May 12, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:

> 
>> 
>> To record my perspective -- I will support graduation as a TLP. I do not, 
>> however, intend to continue my participation in the community. I may monitor 
>> mailing lists from time-to-time, but do not wish to be a committer/PMC 
>> member.
> 
> I too think its time and support graduation to TLP.  Kevan also represents my 
> intention wrt to involvement.  

It's customary for a mentor to stay on for a quarter or two to monitor the 
project and make sure that there's a smooth transition.  It's not clear to me 
that this is the role that you and Kevan intend to fulfill.  If so, great.  If 
not, I can hang around until the apron strings are fully cut.


Regards,
Alan

 

Re: Graduation

[Matt Hogstrom]

> 
> To record my perspective -- I will support graduation as a TLP. I do not, 
> however, intend to continue my participation in the community. I may monitor 
> mailing lists from time-to-time, but do not wish to be a committer/PMC member.

I too think its time and support graduation to TLP.  Kevan also represents my 
intention wrt to involvement.  


Matt Hogstrom
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On May 8, 2012, at 11:01 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:


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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation

[Kevan Miller]

On May 9, 2012, at 12:46 AM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:

> 
> On May 1, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Status File:
>> (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml)
>> This is not up to date and is missing information.  Previous board
>> reports need to be added.  News items need to be added containing the
>> string "new committer".  Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew
>> column on the "Status of the Clutch" page to turn green
>> (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html).
>> 
>> Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't
>> changed since Apache VCL started.  The new committers obviously need
>> to be added.  I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but
>> I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed
>> any code and some have not been involved in the community at all.  I
>> think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth,
>> James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson.  Also, Brian Bouterse
>> contributed some code a while ago.  I'm not sure if he is still
>> interested in being a committer.
> 
> I can update this tomorrow.

I think I got this, already. But if I missed anything/made any mistakes, please 
let Alan know… ;-)

--kevan

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation

[Alan D. Cabrera]

On May 1, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:

> This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that
> this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to
> graduate to a top level ASF project.  There are several requirements
> which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate.   This
> discussion thread is the first step towards graduation.  Please review
> the following pages.
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator
> 
> There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation
> which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc).  The
> following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be
> concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought
> up before.  Please share your thoughts.  Also, please review the ASF
> graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a
> concern.
> 
> Status File:
> (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml)
> This is not up to date and is missing information.  Previous board
> reports need to be added.  News items need to be added containing the
> string "new committer".  Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew
> column on the "Status of the Clutch" page to turn green
> (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html).
> 
> Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't
> changed since Apache VCL started.  The new committers obviously need
> to be added.  I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but
> I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed
> any code and some have not been involved in the community at all.  I
> think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth,
> James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson.  Also, Brian Bouterse
> contributed some code a while ago.  I'm not sure if he is still
> interested in being a committer.

I can update this tomorrow.

> Diversity:
> ASF requirement: "The project is not highly dependent on any single
> contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and
> there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of
> the project)."
> This issue has been raised before.  I feel we meet this requirement
> and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be
> self-sufficient.

I agree.

> Website:
> This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that
> it should be addressed prior to graduation.  Our website/documentation
> is pretty rough and really should be redesigned.  I'm guessing the
> board members will look at it prior to voting.  In addition, there
> will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views
> will spike.  This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I
> would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation.


Up to you guys.

I support this project's graduation.


Regards,
Alan

 

Re: Graduation

[Kevan Miller]

On May 8, 2012, at 10:33 AM, Andy Kurth wrote:

> Graduating will not and should not change the way VCL is used or how
> the community operates.  Upon successful graduation, there are some
> administrative tasks that need to be done but the day-to-day community
> activity shouldn't change.  I think this is the main point for the
> whole process.  Once the community demonstrates that it is diverse,
> viable, and aligned with the ASF philosophy and policies, it graduates
> and continues to operate in the same manner.

Well put Aaron and Andy. 

Process-wise -- currently the Apache Incubator PMC is performing oversight of 
the VCL project. After graduation as a Top Level Project, the VCL PMC will be 
in charge of this oversight. This reduces some administrative bureaucracy, but 
also increases the importance of the oversight provided by the VCL PMC 
(responsibilities they are already fulfilling). Incubation is not permanent and 
must end with either graduation or retirement. VCL is quite old by Incubation 
standards, but we've reached a good place. 

To record my perspective -- I will support graduation as a TLP. I do not, 
however, intend to continue my participation in the community. I may monitor 
mailing lists from time-to-time, but do not wish to be a committer/PMC member.

--kevan

Re: Graduation

[Andy Kurth]

Good explanation Aaron.

Regarding the benefits of graduating -- I don't know if there are any
tangible benefits but in my opinion there are some intangible
benefits:
- The Apache brand is pretty well-known and prestigious.  They don't
accept just any old open-source project as an official project, let
alone as a podling.  We will be in very good company with the other
ASF projects.
- Graduating and becoming a top-level project will help promote Apache
VCL.  I'm hopeful that VCL adoption and the growth of our development
community will accelerate.
- We don't have to pack up and find a new home elsewhere :)

Graduating will not and should not change the way VCL is used or how
the community operates.  Upon successful graduation, there are some
administrative tasks that need to be done but the day-to-day community
activity shouldn't change.  I think this is the main point for the
whole process.  Once the community demonstrates that it is diverse,
viable, and aligned with the ASF philosophy and policies, it graduates
and continues to operate in the same manner.

-Andy

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Aaron Peeler  wrote:
> Hi Dmitri,
>
> No apologies necessary. This is a good and important question.
>
> The graduation is the process in which a incubator project becomes a
> Top Level Project (TLP). The graduation means that a project has shown
> that it (as a community) understands the Apache Software Foundation's
> core principles.
> Also known as "The Apache Way".
> While this is not a complete official list, the principles include:
> * collaborative software development
> * commercial-friendly license
> * respective, honest, technical-based interaction
> * faithful implementation of standards
> * security as a mandatory feature
> See this for more info on how ASF works
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
>
>
> My slightly longer answer.
>
> Within Apache Software Foundation there is a entry path in which a
> project/community shows that it, (as a whole) can be self-sustaining
> and operates under The Apache Way.
>
> This entry path is through what is called the incubator and this is
> our current state.
>
> In incubator status, we as a community, learn the principles (The
> Apache way) by doing. With the assistance of our mentors, such as
> Kevan, Alan, and Matt. We learn the core principles mentioned above,
> how to grow a healthy and diverse community, how to properly cut
> releases through Apache software Foundation, handle intelectual
> property through the community contributions, and learn the principle
> of "meritocracy" (government by merit) through the process of inviting
> community members who have contributed and are interested to become
> committers and be part of the project governing process, etc.
>
> Once we have reached the incubator milestones, we can then proceed to
> graduate. Through the graduation process an incubator project either
> becomes a subproject of another ASF project or a top level project.
>
> If we fail to do these tasks or if the project fizzles out, then the
> incubator project retires from Apache Software foundation and is not
> supported by ASF.
>
> Hope this helps and others please feel free to comment.
> Most of this is my summation from:
>
> How ASF works and short history:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
>
> Incubator Graduation:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
> What is Graduation?
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#introduction
>
> Roles of incubator
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html
>
>
> Aaron
>
>
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Dmitri Chebotarov  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> May I ask what are the benefits of "graduation" for VCL?
>> How does graduation change the way the VCL is used?
>>
>> I apologize if these are trivial questions.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> --
>> Dmitri Chebotarov
>> Virtual Computing Lab Systems Engineer, TSD - Ent Servers & Messaging
>> 223 Aquia Building, Ffx, MSN: 1B5
>> Phone: (703) 993-6175
>> Fax: (703) 993-3404
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 7, 2012 at 16:39 , Kevan Miller wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On May 7, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Alexander Patterson wrote:
>>>
>>> > I would love to see 2.3 to graduate :) I will enjoy many of the bug fixes
>>>
>>> Thanks Alexander. Minor point - a 2.3 release is orthogonal to the 
>>> graduation process. A 2.3 release can happen before or after graduation…
>>>
>>> There's a 'status of 2.3 release' thread on the vcl-dev list. You're more 
>>> than welcome to voice your 2.3 desires, there...
>>>
>>> --kevan
>>
>>
>
>
>
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> Program Manager
> Virtual Computing Lab
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>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation

[Josh Thompson]

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I meant to send this earlier and then got bogged down working on the release.

I definitely think we should start the process of graduating.  I really feel 
like we have enough of a community now that if NCSU were to pull out of the 
project (very unlikely to happen), VCL would continue to survive.

The web site definitely needs work either before graduating or very soon 
after.  I have some ideas about how to organize things based on what type of 
information a person may be looking for when visiting the site.  I'll try to 
get that framework put in place now that Andy has created the stub files for 
using the new CMS system.

As soon as we get a release candidate cut, I'll have more time to work on 
things like the status page and the web site.

Josh

On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:14:25 AM Aaron Peeler wrote:
> I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more
> committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support
> a vote for graduation.
> 
> 
> I agree on the other points mentioned.
> 
> Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily.
> 
> The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone
> researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a
> good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content,
> documentation, design ideas, etc.)
> 
> Aaron
> 
> On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth  wrote:
> > This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that
> > this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to
> > graduate to a top level ASF project.  There are several requirements
> > which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate.   This
> > discussion thread is the first step towards graduation.  Please review
> > the following pages.
> > http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating
> > +from+the+Incubator
> > 
> > There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation
> > which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc).  The
> > following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be
> > concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought
> > up before.  Please share your thoughts.  Also, please review the ASF
> > graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a
> > concern.
> > 
> > Status File:
> > (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/project
> > s/vcl.xml) This is not up to date and is missing information.  Previous
> > board reports need to be added.  News items need to be added containing
> > the string "new committer".  Doing this will cause the
> > numberCommittersNew column on the "Status of the Clutch" page to turn
> > green
> > (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html).
> > 
> > Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't
> > changed since Apache VCL started.  The new committers obviously need
> > to be added.  I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but
> > I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed
> > any code and some have not been involved in the community at all.  I
> > think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth,
> > James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson.  Also, Brian Bouterse
> > contributed some code a while ago.  I'm not sure if he is still
> > interested in being a committer.
> > 
> > Diversity:
> > ASF requirement: "The project is not highly dependent on any single
> > contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and
> > there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of
> > the project)."
> > This issue has been raised before.  I feel we meet this requirement
> > and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be
> > self-sufficient.
> > 
> > Website:
> > This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that
> > it should be addressed prior to graduation.  Our website/documentation
> > is pretty rough and really should be redesigned.  I'm guessing the
> > board members will look at it prior to voting.  In addition, there
> > will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views
> > will spike.  This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I
> > would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation.
> > 
> > Thank You,
> > Andy
- -- 
- --

Re: Graduation

[Aaron Peeler]

Hi Dmitri,

No apologies necessary. This is a good and important question.

The graduation is the process in which a incubator project becomes a
Top Level Project (TLP). The graduation means that a project has shown
that it (as a community) understands the Apache Software Foundation's
core principles.
Also known as "The Apache Way".
While this is not a complete official list, the principles include:
* collaborative software development
* commercial-friendly license
* respective, honest, technical-based interaction
* faithful implementation of standards
* security as a mandatory feature
See this for more info on how ASF works
http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html


My slightly longer answer.

Within Apache Software Foundation there is a entry path in which a
project/community shows that it, (as a whole) can be self-sustaining
and operates under The Apache Way.

This entry path is through what is called the incubator and this is
our current state.

In incubator status, we as a community, learn the principles (The
Apache way) by doing. With the assistance of our mentors, such as
Kevan, Alan, and Matt. We learn the core principles mentioned above,
how to grow a healthy and diverse community, how to properly cut
releases through Apache software Foundation, handle intelectual
property through the community contributions, and learn the principle
of "meritocracy" (government by merit) through the process of inviting
community members who have contributed and are interested to become
committers and be part of the project governing process, etc.

Once we have reached the incubator milestones, we can then proceed to
graduate. Through the graduation process an incubator project either
becomes a subproject of another ASF project or a top level project.

If we fail to do these tasks or if the project fizzles out, then the
incubator project retires from Apache Software foundation and is not
supported by ASF.

Hope this helps and others please feel free to comment.
Most of this is my summation from:

How ASF works and short history:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html

Incubator Graduation:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html

What is Graduation?
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#introduction

Roles of incubator
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html


Aaron


On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Dmitri Chebotarov  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> May I ask what are the benefits of "graduation" for VCL?
> How does graduation change the way the VCL is used?
>
> I apologize if these are trivial questions.
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Dmitri Chebotarov
> Virtual Computing Lab Systems Engineer, TSD - Ent Servers & Messaging
> 223 Aquia Building, Ffx, MSN: 1B5
> Phone: (703) 993-6175
> Fax: (703) 993-3404
>
>
> On Monday, May 7, 2012 at 16:39 , Kevan Miller wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 7, 2012, at 3:53 PM, Alexander Patterson wrote:
>>
>> > I would love to see 2.3 to graduate :) I will enjoy many of the bug fixes
>>
>> Thanks Alexander. Minor point - a 2.3 release is orthogonal to the 
>> graduation process. A 2.3 release can happen before or after graduation…
>>
>> There's a 'status of 2.3 release' thread on the vcl-dev list. You're more 
>> than welcome to voice your 2.3 desires, there...
>>
>> --kevan
>
>



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Virtual Computing Lab
NC State University

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation

[Aaron Coburn]

I looked through a number of existing top-level ASF project websites, and they 
all appear to be serving up static HTML pages. Some of them use a wiki at 
http://wiki.apache.org/{project name}; otherwise, the sites appear to be 
generated by some sort of script/template combination. If there is a choice, I 
would recommend following this model: using static pages as much as possible 
will effectively eliminate almost all security and maintenance issues.

Most ASF sites do not have a search feature, and those that do rely on third 
parties (e.g. google). It would be easy enough to follow that model, though if 
we use Sphinx, it has a built-in (javascript-based) search engine.

There are a lot of template-based options for building sites, and I am 
completely unfamiliar with most of them. Velocity is another ASF project, but I 
have never worked with it. Several years ago I used Template::Toolkit quite a 
bit, which is written in perl. Since so much of the VCL uses perl, this might 
be a good option -- not that one actually needs to know perl to use it. It 
would also be possible to use an XSLT-based engine, but I XSL syntax can be 
very unforgiving. My current favorite is Sphinx, which relies on python to 
generate the HTML. 

Aaron Coburn



On May 4, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote:

>> 
>> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I
>> am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like
>> vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
>> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a
>> complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal
>> (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a
>> very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not
>> specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand,
>> if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc,
>> I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really
>> best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
>> -- it does create excellent sites, though.
> 
> I  believe we can run anything we like. ASF does provide the hosting
> and the top-level projects do have their own url
> .apache.org.
> 
> I'm not up-to speed yet on what our options are or what the other
> projects are using. The Apache infrastructure team is recommending
> projects to migrate away from confluence. Has anyone else had a chance
> to research which cms tools are available supported/recommended by
> ASF?
> 
>> 
>> I am also a little unclear on the timeframe for modifying the website -- it
>> this something that would be done prior to graduation or upon graduation?
> 
> I don't think it is a requirement, but ideally it would be nice to at
> least have a start on a new site by graduation time.
> 
> 
> Aaron Peeler

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation

[Aaron Peeler]

>
> As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I
> am assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like
> vcl.apache.org? Would that also include server space to run any type of CMS?
> Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are considering a
> complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system like Drupal
> (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make for a
> very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is not
> specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand,
> if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc,
> I can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really
> best for Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates
> -- it does create excellent sites, though.

I  believe we can run anything we like. ASF does provide the hosting
and the top-level projects do have their own url
.apache.org.

I'm not up-to speed yet on what our options are or what the other
projects are using. The Apache infrastructure team is recommending
projects to migrate away from confluence. Has anyone else had a chance
to research which cms tools are available supported/recommended by
ASF?

>
> I am also a little unclear on the timeframe for modifying the website -- it
> this something that would be done prior to graduation or upon graduation?

I don't think it is a requirement, but ideally it would be nice to at
least have a start on a new site by graduation time.


Aaron Peeler

RE: [DISCUSS] Graduation

[Arthur Vandenberg]

I concur that VCL graduation is warranted. GSU has been running VCL for nearly 
two years.  The VCL community has been helpful to Georgia State in getting our 
VCL instance going and supported.

The related VCL discussions as well as the VCL Virtual Office Hours indicate, 
in my opinion, a strong and diverse community implementing, using and 
supporting VCL.

Graduation to next level is my vote.

Art


Art Vandenberg
Account Manager/Research Function
Customer Relations, IS&T
Information Systems & Technology
Georgia State University
avandenb...@gsu.edu
+1 404 413 4743
MS Information & Computer Science, Georgia Tech
MVA Painting & Drawing, Georgia State
Web page: http://www.gsu.edu/ist/acs/25735.html


From: Aaron Coburn [acob...@amherst.edu]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 10:46 AM
To: ; 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation

We began working with the VCL software about two years ago at Amherst College, 
and in that time, the community has grown well beyond its NCSU roots. I am 
seeing significantly more activity on the lists as well as more JIRA issues and 
contributed code from the wider community. I would also support a vote for 
graduation.

As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am 
assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like 
vcl.apache.org<http://vcl.apache.org>? Would that also include server space to 
run any type of CMS? Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are 
considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system 
like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make 
for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is 
not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, 
if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I 
can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for 
Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does 
create excellent sites, though.

I am also a little unclear on the timeframe for modifying the website -- it 
this something that would be done prior to graduation or upon graduation?

Aaron Coburn



--
Aaron Coburn
Systems Administrator and Programmer
Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>






On May 2, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote:

I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more
committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support
a vote for graduation.


I agree on the other points mentioned.

Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily.

The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone
researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a
good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content,
documentation, design ideas, etc.)

Aaron


On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth 
mailto:andy_ku...@ncsu.edu>> wrote:
This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that
this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to
graduate to a top level ASF project.  There are several requirements
which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate.   This
discussion thread is the first step towards graduation.  Please review
the following pages.
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator

There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation
which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc).  The
following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be
concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought
up before.  Please share your thoughts.  Also, please review the ASF
graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a
concern.

Status File:
(https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml)
This is not up to date and is missing information.  Previous board
reports need to be added.  News items need to be added containing the
string "new committer".  Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew
column on the "Status of the Clutch" page to turn green
(http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html).

Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't
changed since Apache VCL started.  The new committers obviously need
to be added.  I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but
I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed
any code and some have not been involved in the community at all.  I
think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth,
James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson.  Also, Brian Bouterse
contributed some code a while ago.  I&

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation

[Aaron Coburn]

We began working with the VCL software about two years ago at Amherst College, 
and in that time, the community has grown well beyond its NCSU roots. I am 
seeing significantly more activity on the lists as well as more JIRA issues and 
contributed code from the wider community. I would also support a vote for 
graduation.

As for the website, I agree that some design work would be really useful. I am 
assuming that ASF would provide a hosting arrangement, i.e. a domain like 
vcl.apache.org<http://vcl.apache.org>? Would that also include server space to 
run any type of CMS? Confluence is a nice all-in-one package, though if you are 
considering a complete overhaul of the site, I could also recommend a system 
like Drupal (MySQL + PHP). Drupal has a lot of bells and whistles that can make 
for a very nice, highly interactive site. The downside of drupal is that it is 
not specifically designed to handle software documentation. On the other hand, 
if we only need to serve static html pages that focus on documentation, etc, I 
can also recommend Sphinx. The downside of Sphinx is that it is really best for 
Python and C++ projects, and it doesn't support web-based updates -- it does 
create excellent sites, though.

I am also a little unclear on the timeframe for modifying the website -- it 
this something that would be done prior to graduation or upon graduation?

Aaron Coburn



--
Aaron Coburn
Systems Administrator and Programmer
Academic Technology Services, Amherst College
acob...@amherst.edu<mailto:acob...@amherst.edu>






On May 2, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote:

I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more
committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support
a vote for graduation.


I agree on the other points mentioned.

Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily.

The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone
researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a
good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content,
documentation, design ideas, etc.)

Aaron


On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth 
mailto:andy_ku...@ncsu.edu>> wrote:
This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that
this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to
graduate to a top level ASF project.  There are several requirements
which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate.   This
discussion thread is the first step towards graduation.  Please review
the following pages.
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator

There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation
which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc).  The
following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be
concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought
up before.  Please share your thoughts.  Also, please review the ASF
graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a
concern.

Status File:
(https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml)
This is not up to date and is missing information.  Previous board
reports need to be added.  News items need to be added containing the
string "new committer".  Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew
column on the "Status of the Clutch" page to turn green
(http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html).

Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't
changed since Apache VCL started.  The new committers obviously need
to be added.  I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but
I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed
any code and some have not been involved in the community at all.  I
think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth,
James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson.  Also, Brian Bouterse
contributed some code a while ago.  I'm not sure if he is still
interested in being a committer.

Diversity:
ASF requirement: "The project is not highly dependent on any single
contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and
there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of
the project)."
This issue has been raised before.  I feel we meet this requirement
and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be
self-sufficient.

Website:
This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that
it should be addressed prior to graduation.  Our website/documentation
is pretty rough and really should be redesigned.  I'm guessing the
board members will look at it prior to voting.  In addition, there
will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views
will spike.  This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I

RE: [DISCUSS] Graduation

[Sanders, Arbin D]

I would like to also approve the graduation of VCL.

Sent from my Motorola Smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint!


-Original message-
From: "Waldron, Michael H" 
To: "vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org" , 
"vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org" 
Sent: Fri, May 4, 2012 10:17:59 EDT
Subject: RE: [DISCUSS] Graduation

I also support graduation. There has been consistent active development work 
and a good roadmap for future releases. There is an active community of users 
that have exchanged a lot of good ideas and provided assistance to the 
community in resolving problems associated with VCL.

It's a solid project and stable application which is getting increasing use at 
our institution and I foresee it continuing to grow in the future.

Mike Waldron
Systems Specialist
ITS Research Computing
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill


From: Aaron Peeler [aaron_pee...@ncsu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:14 AM
To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org; vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation

I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more
committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support
a vote for graduation.


I agree on the other points mentioned.

Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily.

The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone
researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a
good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content,
documentation, design ideas, etc.)

Aaron


On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth  wrote:
> This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that
> this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to
> graduate to a top level ASF project.  There are several requirements
> which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate.   This
> discussion thread is the first step towards graduation.  Please review
> the following pages.
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator
>
> There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation
> which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc).  The
> following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be
> concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought
> up before.  Please share your thoughts.  Also, please review the ASF
> graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a
> concern.
>
> Status File:
> (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml)
> This is not up to date and is missing information.  Previous board
> reports need to be added.  News items need to be added containing the
> string "new committer".  Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew
> column on the "Status of the Clutch" page to turn green
> (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html).
>
> Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't
> changed since Apache VCL started.  The new committers obviously need
> to be added.  I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but
> I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed
> any code and some have not been involved in the community at all.  I
> think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth,
> James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson.  Also, Brian Bouterse
> contributed some code a while ago.  I'm not sure if he is still
> interested in being a committer.
>
> Diversity:
> ASF requirement: "The project is not highly dependent on any single
> contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and
> there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of
> the project)."
> This issue has been raised before.  I feel we meet this requirement
> and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be
> self-sufficient.
>
> Website:
> This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that
> it should be addressed prior to graduation.  Our website/documentation
> is pretty rough and really should be redesigned.  I'm guessing the
> board members will look at it prior to voting.  In addition, there
> will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views
> will spike.  This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I
> would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation.
>
> Thank You,
> Andy



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Program Manager
Virtual Computing Lab
NC State University

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are sent to or received by this account are 

RE: [DISCUSS] Graduation

[Waldron, Michael H]

I also support graduation. There has been consistent active development work 
and a good roadmap for future releases. There is an active community of users 
that have exchanged a lot of good ideas and provided assistance to the 
community in resolving problems associated with VCL.

It's a solid project and stable application which is getting increasing use at 
our institution and I foresee it continuing to grow in the future.

Mike Waldron
Systems Specialist
ITS Research Computing
University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill


From: Aaron Peeler [aaron_pee...@ncsu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:14 AM
To: vcl-u...@incubator.apache.org; vcl-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation

I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more
committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support
a vote for graduation.


I agree on the other points mentioned.

Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily.

The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone
researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a
good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content,
documentation, design ideas, etc.)

Aaron


On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth  wrote:
> This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that
> this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to
> graduate to a top level ASF project.  There are several requirements
> which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate.   This
> discussion thread is the first step towards graduation.  Please review
> the following pages.
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator
>
> There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation
> which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc).  The
> following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be
> concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought
> up before.  Please share your thoughts.  Also, please review the ASF
> graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a
> concern.
>
> Status File:
> (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml)
> This is not up to date and is missing information.  Previous board
> reports need to be added.  News items need to be added containing the
> string "new committer".  Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew
> column on the "Status of the Clutch" page to turn green
> (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html).
>
> Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't
> changed since Apache VCL started.  The new committers obviously need
> to be added.  I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but
> I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed
> any code and some have not been involved in the community at all.  I
> think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth,
> James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson.  Also, Brian Bouterse
> contributed some code a while ago.  I'm not sure if he is still
> interested in being a committer.
>
> Diversity:
> ASF requirement: "The project is not highly dependent on any single
> contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and
> there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of
> the project)."
> This issue has been raised before.  I feel we meet this requirement
> and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be
> self-sufficient.
>
> Website:
> This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that
> it should be addressed prior to graduation.  Our website/documentation
> is pretty rough and really should be redesigned.  I'm guessing the
> board members will look at it prior to voting.  In addition, there
> will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views
> will spike.  This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I
> would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation.
>
> Thank You,
> Andy



--
Aaron Peeler
Program Manager
Virtual Computing Lab
NC State University

All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduation

[Aaron Peeler]

I feel we have meet our diversity issue and also expect to add more
committers over the next couple of months. I would positively support
a vote for graduation.


I agree on the other points mentioned.

Status page needs to be updated. We can work on this part easily.

The web site needs to be migrated off confluence. Has anyone
researched other CMS options for the website. I think this would be a
good community discussion thread. Which CMS, the layout, (content,
documentation, design ideas, etc.)

Aaron


On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Andy Kurth  wrote:
> This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that
> this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to
> graduate to a top level ASF project.  There are several requirements
> which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate.   This
> discussion thread is the first step towards graduation.  Please review
> the following pages.
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator
>
> There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation
> which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc).  The
> following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be
> concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought
> up before.  Please share your thoughts.  Also, please review the ASF
> graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a
> concern.
>
> Status File:
> (https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml)
> This is not up to date and is missing information.  Previous board
> reports need to be added.  News items need to be added containing the
> string "new committer".  Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew
> column on the "Status of the Clutch" page to turn green
> (http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html).
>
> Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't
> changed since Apache VCL started.  The new committers obviously need
> to be added.  I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but
> I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed
> any code and some have not been involved in the community at all.  I
> think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth,
> James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson.  Also, Brian Bouterse
> contributed some code a while ago.  I'm not sure if he is still
> interested in being a committer.
>
> Diversity:
> ASF requirement: "The project is not highly dependent on any single
> contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and
> there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of
> the project)."
> This issue has been raised before.  I feel we meet this requirement
> and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be
> self-sufficient.
>
> Website:
> This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that
> it should be addressed prior to graduation.  Our website/documentation
> is pretty rough and really should be redesigned.  I'm guessing the
> board members will look at it prior to voting.  In addition, there
> will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views
> will spike.  This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I
> would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation.
>
> Thank You,
> Andy



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[DISCUSS] Graduation

[Andy Kurth]

This thread is to discuss whether the Apache VCL community feels that
this incubating project is ready to proceed with the process to
graduate to a top level ASF project.  There are several requirements
which must be met and steps completed in order to graduate.   This
discussion thread is the first step towards graduation.  Please review
the following pages.
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator

There are many items described in the ASF graduation documentation
which we have obviously satisfied (create a release, etc).  The
following are issues that I feel either need to be addressed, would be
concerned about regarding board/mentor approval, or have been brought
up before.  Please share your thoughts.  Also, please review the ASF
graduation documentation and bring up anything else which might be a
concern.

Status File:
(https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/projects/vcl.xml)
This is not up to date and is missing information.  Previous board
reports need to be added.  News items need to be added containing the
string "new committer".  Doing this will cause the numberCommittersNew
column on the "Status of the Clutch" page to turn green
(http://incubator.apache.org/clutch.html).

Also, the list of commiters in the status file and project page hasn't
changed since Apache VCL started.  The new committers obviously need
to be added.  I'm not sure how the original list was decided upon, but
I feel several names should be removed since they have not contributed
any code and some have not been involved in the community at all.  I
think the list should be Aaron Coburn, David Hutchins, Andy Kurth,
James O'Dell, Aaron Peeler, Josh Thompson.  Also, Brian Bouterse
contributed some code a while ago.  I'm not sure if he is still
interested in being a committer.

Diversity:
ASF requirement: "The project is not highly dependent on any single
contributor (there are at least 3 legally independent committers and
there is no single company or entity that is vital to the success of
the project)."
This issue has been raised before.  I feel we meet this requirement
and that the community is generally diverse, can govern itself, and be
self-sufficient.

Website:
This is not necessarily a requirement for graduation but I feel that
it should be addressed prior to graduation.  Our website/documentation
is pretty rough and really should be redesigned.  I'm guessing the
board members will look at it prior to voting.  In addition, there
will likely be a press release if/when we graduate and website views
will spike.  This shouldn't hold up the graduation process, but I
would like agreement that this should be completed by graduation.

Thank You,
Andy

Re: Graduation Thoughts

[Matt Hogstrom]

I sent my note to get the project kicked in the behind a little.  From what I 
can see the output of the project is something that has many academic 
institutions interested, and others as well.  What seems to be lacking is 
movement in the community to help grow it and actively "work the project" from 
a community standpoint.  Its been pretty good about doing the must haves like 
submitting reports and the like but it has fallen short on the build the 
community aspect in terms of diversity of comitters and such.  

Lots of dev activity, lots of JIRAs and different movement showing that work is 
happening.  At some point, they need to leave the comfort of the Incubator.  I 
don't want to see a false flurry of activity to get the homework done and I'd 
hate to see them exit ungracefully.  Its time the community step up, or 

Matt Hogstrom
m...@hogstrom.org

A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine

On Mar 17, 2012, at 12:45 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:

> 
> On Mar 16, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
> 
>> Guys, 
>> 
>> I've been an absent mentor and am catching up on e-mail.  In looking at VCL 
>> it seems like you're kinda past time to graduate.  Kind of like a 
>> 26-year-old college Student living at home :) 
>> 
>> Thoughts on kicking off the process? 
> 
> Do you feel there's sufficient diversity?  It seems to me that if NCSU pulls 
> their engineers off the project it will be dead in the water.  I'd like to 
> know what your opinion is on this.
> 
> Other than that I feel that it's an excellent project and ready for 
> graduation.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Alan
> 

Re: Graduation Thoughts

[Alan D. Cabrera]

On Mar 16, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:

> Guys, 
> 
> I've been an absent mentor and am catching up on e-mail.  In looking at VCL 
> it seems like you're kinda past time to graduate.  Kind of like a 26-year-old 
> college Student living at home :) 
> 
> Thoughts on kicking off the process? 

Do you feel there's sufficient diversity?  It seems to me that if NCSU pulls 
their engineers off the project it will be dead in the water.  I'd like to know 
what your opinion is on this.

Other than that I feel that it's an excellent project and ready for graduation.


Regards,
Alan

 

Graduation Thoughts

[Matt Hogstrom]

Guys, 

I've been an absent mentor and am catching up on e-mail.  In looking at VCL it 
seems like you're kinda past time to graduate.  Kind of like a 26-year-old 
college Student living at home :) 

Thoughts on kicking off the process? 

Matt Hogstrom
m...@hogstrom.org

A Day Without Nuclear Fusion Is a Day Without Sunshine

Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps

[Mike Haudenschild]

Hi Aaron,

No problem, I'm looking forward to this work!  I submitted my contributor
agreement this morning to Apache and asked that they notify you.

If you're getting close to a 2.3 release, this will be a great time to
start developing and revising docs.  We should probably set up a time to
talk offline...?

Regards,
Mike

--
*Mike Haudenschild*
Education Systems Manager
Longsight Group
(740) 599-5005 x809
m...@longsight.com
www.longsight.com



On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 10:40, Aaron Peeler  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> This is great. Thank you, thank you, thank you
>
> So the next steps (I think) are for you to file your ICLA.
>
> Then we can discuss how we want the documentation and website to go.
>
> Confluence is our current wiki, but that is fading. So we may want to
> take this time to request a new CMS and start migrating. When we
> graduate, we'll need to migrate anyway so might as well start thinking
> about it now.
>
> Aaron
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mike Haudenschild 
> wrote:
> > I'm all about good karma.  I owe the VCL guys.  Besides, I'm one of the
> > sick ones that actually ENJOY writing documentation.  Don't judge me!
> >
> > --
> > *Mike Haudenschild*
> > Education Systems Manager
> > Longsight Group
> > (740) 599-5005 x809
> > m...@longsight.com
> > www.longsight.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:30, Kevan Miller 
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Mike Haudenschild wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi, Aaron et al. --
> >> >
> >> > I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects.  I'm
> not a
> >> > developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and
> >> would
> >> > be happy to help in that regard.
> >> >
> >> > Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years
> >> ago
> >> > I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here:
> >> >
> >> > http://mhauden.com/moodle
> >>
> >> Cool! Your contributions would be most welcome. I multiple Apache
> projects
> >> with committers who have earned their commit karma via documentation
> >> contributions (not code).
> >>
> >> --kevan
>
>
>
> --
> Aaron Peeler
> Program Manager
> Virtual Computing Lab
> NC State University
>
> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
>

Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps

[Aaron Peeler]

Hi Mike,

This is great. Thank you, thank you, thank you

So the next steps (I think) are for you to file your ICLA.

Then we can discuss how we want the documentation and website to go.

Confluence is our current wiki, but that is fading. So we may want to
take this time to request a new CMS and start migrating. When we
graduate, we'll need to migrate anyway so might as well start thinking
about it now.

Aaron


On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mike Haudenschild  wrote:
> I'm all about good karma.  I owe the VCL guys.  Besides, I'm one of the
> sick ones that actually ENJOY writing documentation.  Don't judge me!
>
> --
> *Mike Haudenschild*
> Education Systems Manager
> Longsight Group
> (740) 599-5005 x809
> m...@longsight.com
> www.longsight.com
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:30, Kevan Miller  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Mike Haudenschild wrote:
>>
>> > Hi, Aaron et al. --
>> >
>> > I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects.  I'm not a
>> > developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and
>> would
>> > be happy to help in that regard.
>> >
>> > Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years
>> ago
>> > I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here:
>> >
>> > http://mhauden.com/moodle
>>
>> Cool! Your contributions would be most welcome. I multiple Apache projects
>> with committers who have earned their commit karma via documentation
>> contributions (not code).
>>
>> --kevan



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Virtual Computing Lab
NC State University

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Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps

[Mike Haudenschild]

I'm all about good karma.  I owe the VCL guys.  Besides, I'm one of the
sick ones that actually ENJOY writing documentation.  Don't judge me!

--
*Mike Haudenschild*
Education Systems Manager
Longsight Group
(740) 599-5005 x809
m...@longsight.com
www.longsight.com



On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 14:30, Kevan Miller  wrote:

>
> On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Mike Haudenschild wrote:
>
> > Hi, Aaron et al. --
> >
> > I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects.  I'm not a
> > developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and
> would
> > be happy to help in that regard.
> >
> > Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years
> ago
> > I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here:
> >
> > http://mhauden.com/moodle
>
> Cool! Your contributions would be most welcome. I multiple Apache projects
> with committers who have earned their commit karma via documentation
> contributions (not code).
>
> --kevan

Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps

[Kevan Miller]

On Feb 1, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Mike Haudenschild wrote:

> Hi, Aaron et al. --
> 
> I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects.  I'm not a
> developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and would
> be happy to help in that regard.
> 
> Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years ago
> I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here:
> 
> http://mhauden.com/moodle

Cool! Your contributions would be most welcome. I multiple Apache projects with 
committers who have earned their commit karma via documentation contributions 
(not code).

--kevan

Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps

[Mike Haudenschild]

Hi, Aaron et al. --

I'm heavily invested in VCL for two large production projects.  I'm not a
developer, but I have extensive experience writing documentation and would
be happy to help in that regard.

Most of my recent technical writing is proprietary, but a couple years ago
I wrote a Moodle install doc that you could review here:

http://mhauden.com/moodle

Regards,
Mike
--
*Mike Haudenschild*
Education Systems Manager
Longsight Group
(740) 599-5005 x809
m...@longsight.com
www.longsight.com



On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 13:52, Aaron Peeler  wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> We are getting close to being able to ask for graduation. Based on the
> checklist:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
>
> We've meet many of the goals:
> - the community is growing
> - cut official releases, soon to be another one
> - good communication on user/dev mailing lists and irc channel.
> - more diversity in committers, hopefully over next month or so we can
> bring one or two more.
>
> Our current active committers are:
> Andy kurth - NCSU
> Josh Thompson - NCSU
> David Hutchins -  Not-NCSU
> Aaron Coburn - Not-NCSU
> myself(Aaron Peeler) - NCSU
>
> Part of our challenge in not graduating yet has been the diversity
> among our committers. It is/was heavily weighted with NCSU only
> committers. In order to move quicker to graduation, it would be great
> to attract one more committer. Which means being active on the list
> and submitting code for review. Other areas to be a committer can be
> with the web site or documentation, in case you are not comfortable
> with writing code.
>
> Mentors, Can you advise on other areas or issues that your think we
> need to address before we apply for graduation?
>
> Best Regards,
> Aaron
>
>
> --
> Aaron Peeler
> Program Manager
> Virtual Computing Lab
> NC State University
>
> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
>

Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps

[Alan D. Cabrera]

On Jan 30, 2012, at 10:52 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> We are getting close to being able to ask for graduation. Based on the
> checklist:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
> 
> We've meet many of the goals:
> - the community is growing
> - cut official releases, soon to be another one
> - good communication on user/dev mailing lists and irc channel.
> - more diversity in committers, hopefully over next month or so we can
> bring one or two more.
> 
> Our current active committers are:
> Andy kurth - NCSU
> Josh Thompson - NCSU
> David Hutchins -  Not-NCSU
> Aaron Coburn - Not-NCSU
> myself(Aaron Peeler) - NCSU
> 
> Part of our challenge in not graduating yet has been the diversity
> among our committers. It is/was heavily weighted with NCSU only
> committers. In order to move quicker to graduation, it would be great
> to attract one more committer. Which means being active on the list
> and submitting code for review. Other areas to be a committer can be
> with the web site or documentation, in case you are not comfortable
> with writing code.
> 
> Mentors, Can you advise on other areas or issues that your think we
> need to address before we apply for graduation?

I think this is a great podling.  Diversity is the only sticking point that I 
have.  

Are their any lurkers out there who would be willing to step up?  :)

Sometimes writing or re-writing a sub-system is enough to attract fresh blood.  
What kinds of things would people like to see added to VCL?


Regards,
Alan
 

Re: [Discuss] Graduation ? next steps

[Kevan Miller]

On Jan 30, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Aaron Peeler wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> We are getting close to being able to ask for graduation. Based on the
> checklist:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist
> 
> We've meet many of the goals:
> - the community is growing
> - cut official releases, soon to be another one
> - good communication on user/dev mailing lists and irc channel.
> - more diversity in committers, hopefully over next month or so we can
> bring one or two more.
> 
> Our current active committers are:
> Andy kurth - NCSU
> Josh Thompson - NCSU
> David Hutchins -  Not-NCSU
> Aaron Coburn - Not-NCSU
> myself(Aaron Peeler) - NCSU
> 
> Part of our challenge in not graduating yet has been the diversity
> among our committers. It is/was heavily weighted with NCSU only
> committers. In order to move quicker to graduation, it would be great
> to attract one more committer. Which means being active on the list
> and submitting code for review. Other areas to be a committer can be
> with the web site or documentation, in case you are not comfortable
> with writing code.
> 
> Mentors, Can you advise on other areas or issues that your think we
> need to address before we apply for graduation?

Diversity is the only sticking point that I have. 

I've been happy with the increased communication (one minor point -- try not to 
substitute Jira posts with mailing list communication) and overall progress of 
the community. I'd recommend that you continue to encourage and mentor new 
contributors. So that they can become committers on the project.

--kevan

[Discuss] Graduation ? next steps

[Aaron Peeler]

Hi Folks,

We are getting close to being able to ask for graduation. Based on the
checklist:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#checklist

We've meet many of the goals:
- the community is growing
- cut official releases, soon to be another one
- good communication on user/dev mailing lists and irc channel.
- more diversity in committers, hopefully over next month or so we can
bring one or two more.

Our current active committers are:
Andy kurth - NCSU
Josh Thompson - NCSU
David Hutchins -  Not-NCSU
Aaron Coburn - Not-NCSU
myself(Aaron Peeler) - NCSU

Part of our challenge in not graduating yet has been the diversity
among our committers. It is/was heavily weighted with NCSU only
committers. In order to move quicker to graduation, it would be great
to attract one more committer. Which means being active on the list
and submitting code for review. Other areas to be a committer can be
with the web site or documentation, in case you are not comfortable
with writing code.

Mentors, Can you advise on other areas or issues that your think we
need to address before we apply for graduation?

Best Regards,
Aaron


-- 
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Program Manager
Virtual Computing Lab
NC State University

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Re: Graduation?

[Kevan Miller]

On Sep 8, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Josh Thompson wrote:

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>> Is there a place where such features are listed?
>> 
>> thanks
>> Art
> 
> There are 2 places for these types of features to be listed right now.  One 
> is 
> to look at the roadmap listed on the latest release page.  However, those 
> features are more high level and rather involved.
> 
> The other is in our JIRA system.  Anyone can create new issues there.  There 
> are various types of issues that can be created, most notable are:
> 
> Bug
> Improvement
> New Feature
> 
> So, what I would suggest is to create a "New Feature" issue for anything 
> you'd 
> like to see added to VCL.  Issues can be voted on.  Anyone else wanting the 
> same feature can vote for them so that they become a higher priority to the 
> rest of the community.

Good discussions. 

A good time to review -- 
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#community

Also, http://incubator.apache.org/guides/community.html Particularly 
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/community.html#notes-community

Active committers -- the easier you can make it for someone to contribute, the 
more people will help. It seems there is a good user base. You need to help 
foster developers/contributors in this community:

* actively advertise things that need to be done
* don't fix everything (especially simpler tasks that are good for newcomers)
* praise contributions
* ask, beg, borrow for contributions
* use social media -- twitter, facebook, etc.
* is there a VCL irc channel? if not, consider using one
* freshen up the web site -- http://incubator.apache.org/vcl/

Note that "contributions" need not be in the form of "code". Documentation, web 
site, answering user questions -- all are valuable contributions to the 
community.

--kevan

Re: Graduation?

[Alan D. Cabrera]

On Sep 6, 2011, at 10:22 AM, James O'Dell wrote:

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> On 9/4/2011 4:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>> 
>> On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
>> 
>>> It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. 
>>> 
>>> I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing 
>>> the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? 
>>> Or is additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what 
>>> is being done to address these requirements? "incubation" is not a 
>>> permanent process. If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not 
>>> making progressing on addressing these issues, we need to consider the 
>>> alternative of ending the graduation process…
>> 
>> I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good.  I wish 
>> there were some diversity.  This project has most of it's members being NCSU 
>> employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their efforts 
>> the project would not survive.
>> 
>> As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation.   I'm not 
>> intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there 
>> are any. 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Alan
>> 
> 
> I certainly see NCSU as the leader in VCL, and I do see their
> continued support as key to the success of the project.
> I'm just wondering if the project were to graduate(It certainly
> seems stable enough to), if that wouldn't generate more diversity
> via greater exposure.

Unfortunately the diversity must be there before it graduates.  We can't 
graduate the polling and hope for the best, this is what the Incubator is all 
about.

> As a point, our vice president of information technology is
> scheduled to give a presentation at EduCause this October.
> VCL is his the topic. I'm hoping this will generate some buzz.

I'm happy to wait until October to see if the rest of the project does as well. 
 However, I think we face the fact that this project has been around for quite 
a long time and has not attracted new committers.  Maybe the project could park 
at GitHub, or somewhere, and if and when the it becomes diverse enough it could 
come back; if it still wanted to.


Regards,
Alan

Re: Graduation?

[Art Vandenberg]

thanks.  Will look to JIRA then.
Art

On Sep 8, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Josh Thompson wrote:


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Is there a place where such features are listed?

thanks
Art


There are 2 places for these types of features to be listed right  
now.  One is
to look at the roadmap listed on the latest release page.  However,  
those

features are more high level and rather involved.

The other is in our JIRA system.  Anyone can create new issues  
there.  There

are various types of issues that can be created, most notable are:

Bug
Improvement
New Feature

So, what I would suggest is to create a "New Feature" issue for  
anything you'd
like to see added to VCL.  Issues can be voted on.  Anyone else  
wanting the
same feature can vote for them so that they become a higher priority  
to the

rest of the community.

Josh
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VCL Developer
North Carolina State University

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Re: Graduation?

[Josh Thompson]

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> Is there a place where such features are listed?
> 
> thanks
> Art

There are 2 places for these types of features to be listed right now.  One is 
to look at the roadmap listed on the latest release page.  However, those 
features are more high level and rather involved.

The other is in our JIRA system.  Anyone can create new issues there.  There 
are various types of issues that can be created, most notable are:

Bug
Improvement
New Feature

So, what I would suggest is to create a "New Feature" issue for anything you'd 
like to see added to VCL.  Issues can be voted on.  Anyone else wanting the 
same feature can vote for them so that they become a higher priority to the 
rest of the community.

Josh
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Re: Graduation?

[Mark Gardner]

I too am ramping up a pilot here at Virginia Tech and expect to be able to
contribute more in the future. I have incomplete code for the frontend that
adds support for IPv6. (I have also fixed a bug in IPv4 validity checking
which I need to check in but the fix is in the context of the IPv6 code.) I
will be moving on to the backend IPv6 code next. I would request that the
Foundation to be generous in allowing the project to continue flowering. I
think we will get there.

Mark

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Art Vandenberg  wrote:

> I concur with the thoughts on this.  At Georgia State I am working with
> Computer Science (I am in IT) to build up some resources that can move
> toward contributor level.  It is a somewhat "gradual" process, but I think
> we are moving in the right direction.
>
> Would it be useful to consider listing a set of "known feature requests" so
> that we could use that as "Challenges" to computer science (students,
> post-docs...)?
>
> I've thought of several, but not really sure how "important" they might be
> - other than being bite-sized items that would engage students, and get them
> started (i.e. develop code on our own devl system, pass up for review and
> perhaps incorporation, and so to eventually gain additional contributors.)
>
> For instance:
>   a) Provide option on the VCL Statistics so that one can download resource
> management traces, e.g. to CSV file.
> Aaron Peeler was kind enough to send us a sql query (6/22/2011 email)
> he's used.  My thought would be that students would use that as start and
> implement an option to download based on this (e.g. user selectable option).
>  While the SQL Query is already done (Aaron) and the feature may be somewhat
> trivial, it could serve to get students involved.
>
>   b) A feature that Kelly Robinson asked about the other day (8/31/2011
> email) "Block Allocation request.  Can this be limited so that only those
> within a particular group (faculty) can make the request?" Mike Waldron's
> reply (8/31) was "I don't know a way to restrict this function to specific
> users. Looks like it would require a coding change for the frontend." That
> might be another feature of interest.
>
> I know that Henry Schaffer has mentioned a feature's request list (way to
> manage image list for instance).
>
> Is there a place where such features are listed?
>
> thanks
> Art
>
>
>
> On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Josh Thompson wrote:
>
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>> On Thursday September 08, 2011, Kevan Miller wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in
>>>>> hearing
>>>>> the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for
>>>>> graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements
>>>>> to be met, what is being done to address these requirements?
>>>>> "incubation" is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects
>>>>> required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these
>>>>> issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation
>>>>> process…
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good.  I
>>>> wish
>>>> there were some diversity.  This project has most of it's members being
>>>> NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their
>>>> efforts the project would not survive.
>>>>
>>>> As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation.   I'm
>>>> not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if
>>>> there are any.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Alan. I think we're largely in agreement. I've been encouraged by
>>> the level of activity and discussions within the community.
>>>
>>> I share the diversity concern (it's my only concern, at the moment). Like
>>> you, I'd be reluctant to support graduation without some growth and
>>> additional participation in the community. Unfortunately, we've been in
>>> this state for a while and I'm worried that it isn't going to change
>>> anytime soon...
>>

Re: Graduation?

[Art Vandenberg]

I concur with the thoughts on this.  At Georgia State I am working  
with Computer Science (I am in IT) to build up some resources that can  
move toward contributor level.  It is a somewhat "gradual" process,  
but I think we are moving in the right direction.


Would it be useful to consider listing a set of "known feature  
requests" so that we could use that as "Challenges" to computer  
science (students, post-docs...)?


I've thought of several, but not really sure how "important" they  
might be - other than being bite-sized items that would engage  
students, and get them started (i.e. develop code on our own devl  
system, pass up for review and perhaps incorporation, and so to  
eventually gain additional contributors.)


For instance:
   a) Provide option on the VCL Statistics so that one can download  
resource management traces, e.g. to CSV file.
 Aaron Peeler was kind enough to send us a sql query (6/22/2011  
email) he's used.  My thought would be that students would use that as  
start and implement an option to download based on this (e.g. user  
selectable option).  While the SQL Query is already done (Aaron) and  
the feature may be somewhat trivial, it could serve to get students  
involved.


   b) A feature that Kelly Robinson asked about the other day  
(8/31/2011 email) "Block Allocation request.  Can this be limited so  
that only those within a particular group (faculty) can make the  
request?" Mike Waldron's reply (8/31) was "I don't know a way to  
restrict this function to specific users. Looks like it would require  
a coding change for the frontend." That might be another feature of  
interest.


I know that Henry Schaffer has mentioned a feature's request list (way  
to manage image list for instance).


Is there a place where such features are listed?

thanks
Art


On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Josh Thompson wrote:


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On Thursday September 08, 2011, Kevan Miller wrote:

On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:

On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:

It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion.

I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in  
hearing

the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for
graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are  
requirements

to be met, what is being done to address these requirements?
"incubation" is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects
required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing  
these
issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the  
graduation

process…


I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good.   
I wish
there were some diversity.  This project has most of it's members  
being
NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on  
their

efforts the project would not survive.

As it stands the project would not have my support for  
graduation.   I'm
not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other  
viewpoints, if

there are any.


Thanks Alan. I think we're largely in agreement. I've been  
encouraged by

the level of activity and discussions within the community.

I share the diversity concern (it's my only concern, at the  
moment). Like

you, I'd be reluctant to support graduation without some growth and
additional participation in the community. Unfortunately, we've  
been in

this state for a while and I'm worried that it isn't going to change
anytime soon...

--kevan


The diversity issue has been my concern since we moved the codebase  
to ASF.  I
do think the community will eventually grow enough to not be  
dependent on a
single institution's involvement.  It's just a really slow process  
to get
there.  VCL is a large system, and it's not something a developer  
would just
decide to jump in and start working on without having the  
infrastructure to

run it and a set of users to use it.

The community is slowly growing, first in users, and now in people
contributing smaller bits of code.  It's only a matter of time  
before the
people that are contributing smaller bits of code start contributing  
larger
stuff.  At that time, we'll have enough support to graduate.  To me,  
the only
question is, how long is ASF willing to wait for this to happen?  If  
that's
another year, maybe 2, then I think we'll make it.  If it's only a  
few more

months, then I'm not so sure.

Josh
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Re: Graduation?

[Josh Thompson]

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On Thursday September 08, 2011, Kevan Miller wrote:
> On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> > On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
> >> It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion.
> >> 
> >> I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing
> >> the thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for
> >> graduation? Or is additional work required? If there are requirements
> >> to be met, what is being done to address these requirements?
> >> "incubation" is not a permanent process. If we're lacking aspects
> >> required for graduation and not making progressing on addressing these
> >> issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the graduation
> >> process…
> > 
> > I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good.  I wish
> > there were some diversity.  This project has most of it's members being
> > NCSU employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their
> > efforts the project would not survive.
> > 
> > As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation.   I'm
> > not intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if
> > there are any.
> 
> Thanks Alan. I think we're largely in agreement. I've been encouraged by
> the level of activity and discussions within the community.
> 
> I share the diversity concern (it's my only concern, at the moment). Like
> you, I'd be reluctant to support graduation without some growth and
> additional participation in the community. Unfortunately, we've been in
> this state for a while and I'm worried that it isn't going to change
> anytime soon...
> 
> --kevan

The diversity issue has been my concern since we moved the codebase to ASF.  I 
do think the community will eventually grow enough to not be dependent on a 
single institution's involvement.  It's just a really slow process to get 
there.  VCL is a large system, and it's not something a developer would just 
decide to jump in and start working on without having the infrastructure to 
run it and a set of users to use it.

The community is slowly growing, first in users, and now in people 
contributing smaller bits of code.  It's only a matter of time before the 
people that are contributing smaller bits of code start contributing larger 
stuff.  At that time, we'll have enough support to graduate.  To me, the only 
question is, how long is ASF willing to wait for this to happen?  If that's 
another year, maybe 2, then I think we'll make it.  If it's only a few more 
months, then I'm not so sure.

Josh
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Re: Graduation?

[Kevan Miller]

On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:

> 
> On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
> 
>> It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. 
>> 
>> I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the 
>> thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is 
>> additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being 
>> done to address these requirements? "incubation" is not a permanent process. 
>> If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing 
>> on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending 
>> the graduation process…
> 
> I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good.  I wish 
> there were some diversity.  This project has most of it's members being NCSU 
> employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their efforts the 
> project would not survive.
> 
> As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation.   I'm not 
> intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are 
> any. 

Thanks Alan. I think we're largely in agreement. I've been encouraged by the 
level of activity and discussions within the community.

I share the diversity concern (it's my only concern, at the moment). Like you, 
I'd be reluctant to support graduation without some growth and additional 
participation in the community. Unfortunately, we've been in this state for a 
while and I'm worried that it isn't going to change anytime soon...

--kevan

Re: Graduation?

[James O'Dell]

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On 9/4/2011 4:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
> 
> On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
> 
>> It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. 
>>
>> I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the 
>> thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is 
>> additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being 
>> done to address these requirements? "incubation" is not a permanent process. 
>> If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing 
>> on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending 
>> the graduation process…
> 
> I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good.  I wish 
> there were some diversity.  This project has most of it's members being NCSU 
> employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their efforts the 
> project would not survive.
> 
> As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation.   I'm not 
> intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are 
> any. 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Alan
> 

I certainly see NCSU as the leader in VCL, and I do see their
continued support as key to the success of the project.
I'm just wondering if the project were to graduate(It certainly
seems stable enough to), if that wouldn't generate more diversity
via greater exposure.

As a point, our vice president of information technology is
scheduled to give a presentation at EduCause this October.
VCL is his the topic. I'm hoping this will generate some buzz.

__Jim

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Re: Graduation?

[Aaron Peeler]

I agree with the diversity point and would also like to see more
diversity among the community developers.

I don't see NCSU stopping our efforts on VCL development, but that is
just my view point.  NCSU has a great deal invested in our time,
resources, and other research projects using VCL services. In addition
the NCSU population would not be very happy if VCL was discontinued.
Our usage numbers for last week hit close to 6000 reservations for
over 2500 users.

Anyone in the community who is interested in getting more involved in
the development process, please don't hesitate to speak up either on
the list(preferred method) or directly to any of the active
developers(myself, Andy Kurth, or Josh Thompson). We can guide you
through the process of getting more involved. We'd love to hear from
you.

Thanks,
Aaron


On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:55 PM, Alan D. Cabrera  wrote:
>
> On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
>
>> It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion.
>>
>> I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the 
>> thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is 
>> additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being 
>> done to address these requirements? "incubation" is not a permanent process. 
>> If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing 
>> on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending 
>> the graduation process…
>
> I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good.  I wish 
> there were some diversity.  This project has most of it's members being NCSU 
> employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their efforts the 
> project would not survive.
>
> As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation.   I'm not 
> intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are 
> any.
>
>
> Regards,
> Alan
>
>



-- 
Aaron Peeler
Program Manager
Virtual Computing Lab
NC State University

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Re: Graduation?

[Alan D. Cabrera]

On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:

> It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. 
> 
> I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the 
> thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is 
> additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being 
> done to address these requirements? "incubation" is not a permanent process. 
> If we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing 
> on addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the 
> graduation process…

I think that the community activity on this group is pretty good.  I wish there 
were some diversity.  This project has most of it's members being NCSU 
employees and I'l worried that if NCSU "pulled the plug" on their efforts the 
project would not survive.

As it stands the project would not have my support for graduation.   I'm not 
intransigent on this and am willing to discuss other viewpoints, if there are 
any. 


Regards,
Alan

Graduation?

[Kevan Miller]

It's been a while since we've had a graduation discussion. 

I've seen good progress in the community. Would be interested in hearing the 
thoughts of others. Do we feel the community is ready for graduation? Or is 
additional work required? If there are requirements to be met, what is being 
done to address these requirements? "incubation" is not a permanent process. If 
we're lacking aspects required for graduation and not making progressing on 
addressing these issues, we need to consider the alternative of ending the 
graduation process...

--kevan

Re: Graduation?

[Josh Thompson]

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> > On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Kevan Miller wrote:
> > A few general thoughts/questions:
> > * what are the affiliations for the current set of active committers?

David Hutchins - Norfolk State Univ.
Andy Kurth - NCSU
Aaron Peeler - NCSU
Josh Thompson - NCSU

> > * the community has added one new committer in the 2 1/2 years in the
> >   incubator?

Yes - We've had several other people express interest, but haven't had anyone 
else provide enough code or documentation contributions to be able to 
adequately review them as new committers.

> > * in general, I've been encouraged by the increase in community activity
> >   (users and development) going on...

Agreed - I find this very encouraging and exciting.  Hopefully, it will lead 
to more contributors.

> > * although I am encouraged, I am not entirely convinced that the
> >   community is ready for graduation...

This page lists the requirements to graduate:

http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Graduation+Requirements

Of those, we're good on the legal and infrastructure sections.  For 
alignment/synergy, we're not using any other ASF projects.  I'm not really 
sure why that is required.  There are several items under 
meritocracy/community that we have not fulfilled:

* Demonstrate an active and diverse development community 

We're definitely active, just not very diverse.

* The project is not highly dependent on any single contributor (there are at 
least 3 legally independent committers and there is no single company or 
entity that is vital to the success of the project)

This is the one I have seen as our biggest hurdle from the beginning of our 
move to ASF.  Until David Hutchins was added as a committer, all committers 
were legally related (employed by NCSU).  I think we will eventually get 
there, but it may take a (possibly long) while.  I think it will take some of 
the other universities that are adopting VCL to be willing to commit part of 
an employee's time to development of VCL.

* Demonstrate ability to tolerate and resolve conflict within the community.

We haven't had much in the way of conflicts to address; so, this one may not 
matter much.

* Engagement by the incubated community with the other ASF communities, 
particularly infrastructure@

Any ideas on steps we can take toward fulfilling this one?

Josh
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Graduation?

[Josh Thompson]

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The following discussion was started by Matt Hogstrom (one of our mentors) on 
the vcl-private list (list for PPMC members) about the possibility of VCL 
graduating to a top level project.  We decided the discussion should really 
take place on this list instead.  I've somewhat reformatted it to have it all 
included and a little easier to read.  In the thread, there is reference to a 
previous discussion that took place on the vcl-private list (that could have 
been moved to this list as well) about removing people from the initial 
committers list that had not contributed any code or documentation.

Josh

>>>> On 3/14/11 11:29 AM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>>>> I think its time to start talking about graduation for VCL.  Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Matt
>>>>
>>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:55 AM, Aaron Peeler wrote:
>>> I'm ready :)
>>> 
>>> We had mentioned cleaning up the committer list.
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/vcl.html
>>> 
>>> Is this desired or required by you guys (the mentors) before graduation?
>>> 
>>> Aaron
>>>
>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Matt Hogstrom wrote:
>> I'd do that as part of graduation.  Look for people that have never
>> committed.  If they never have I don't think it makes sense to take them
>> forward.  Review the process for graduation and you have my vote to start
>> moving forward.
>> 
>> Kevan, Alan ?
>>
>> Matt
>>
> On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Kevan Miller wrote:
> Yes. That can certainly be addressed along with graduation. I wasn't
> entirely >happy with that discussion thread -- was hoping that you or Alan
> might have >read/commented on the thread, also...
>
> I'd really, really like to see this discussion on vcl-dev@. 
>
> A few general thoughts/questions:
> * what are the affiliations for the current set of active committers?
> * the community has added one new committer in the 2 1/2 years in the 
>   incubator?
> * in general, I've been encouraged by the increase in community activity
>  (users and development) going on...
> * although I am encouraged, I am not entirely convinced that the community
>   is ready for graduation...
>
> --kevan
>
On Tuesday March 15, 2011, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
This reflects my sentiments as well.

Alan

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Checking our progress, Incubator Graduation Requirements

[Matt Hogstrom]

I recently saw a note on podling graduation requirements and it occurred to me 
that there has never been a lot of discussion about what that means.  I'm 
including a link to the graduation requirements page so folks will have a sense 
of what the Incubator PMC is looking for in terms of graduating a podling.  

Overall the community has been doing well.  Releases are happening, the user 
community is using the code and asking questions / filing JIRAs, etc.  

Take a look at this link to get a sense of some of the other areas that people 
will look at to determine if a podling is ready to graduate.

http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Minimum+Graduation+Requirements