Please, your are talking of how it works on enwp. There are some 200
other language version, each having their own practice, and often, as in
this case, not in accordance with enwp
Anders
Den 2024-08-09 kl. 18:05, skrev Todd Allen:
In practice, it has generally been held that to demonstrate
Thanks Victoria for your candid description of the perspective from a
Bot member
I can agree on you negative viewpoint on how the movement charter was
envisioned at the start. But I also believe you miss the excellent job
done by the Movement Charter Drafting Committee to neutralise this and
Not a waste of time
We have shown there is general support for something different from BoT.
Anders
Den 2024-07-11 kl. 14:17, skrev William Chan:
Yes. It basically means that all effort to rally editors to vote is in
vain and a (technical) waste of time.
William/1233
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024, 20
I strongly disagree with cancelling or delaying the ratification process.
I want my support for the charter to be duly noted, and the set up of
the process and preparation have both going all OK.
I have participated in all parliamentary election in my country, even
when i know my preferred pa
I am a volunteer. There is nothing unique in my credential and
experience (15 years, 4-6 hours every day, 80 edits, being a member
of some 8-10 movement bodies, mostly in grant-making).
I spend this time and effort because I believe in our aim, knowledge to
all, but also as I do like the c
Thanks for starting this, so we can have the long awaited group in place
I have just completed my voting and I must say, this vote was by far the
most demanding voting of all 15 or so I have participated in.
Just to go through all ?30? is quite time consuming, but worse, the
voting list shows
I.
Will Wikipedia be able to do the same thing?
Best regards,
Ziko
Am Mo., 15. Mai 2023 um 11:24 Uhr schrieb Anders Wennersten
:
The number of accesses to the Wikipedias of de, nl and sw all show a
small increase in March and April compared with 2022 after a half big
decrease in January and Feb
The number of accesses to the Wikipedias of de, nl and sw all show a
small increase in March and April compared with 2022 after a half big
decrease in January and February. Could this be related to the broad
introduction and use of ChatGPT at the same time period?
ChatGPT gives an excellent an
f that, or evidence from
output suggesting it, that’d be interesting and important!
Social: @luis_in_br...@social.coop
ML news: openml.fyi
On Feb 20, 2023 at 1:52 AM -0800, Anders Wennersten ,
wrote:
BIng with ChatGPT is now released by Micrsoft.
And from what I understand they use Wikipedia cont
BIng with ChatGPT is now released by Micrsoft.
And from what I understand they use Wikipedia content considerably. If
you ask Who is A B and A B is not widely known, the result is more or
less identical to the content from the Wikipedia article (but worse, as
it "makes up" facts that is incorr
I have also played around with simpler queries (see below) and find the
same: excellent, easy to read answers, with minor mistakes and sometimes
false, invented info.
But I still see this as the future. If/when this is implemented with
speech recognition (already exists) and good synthetic spe
On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 06:02, Erik Moeller wrote:
On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 5:55 AM Anders Wennersten
wrote:
> ChatGPT is now making headlines more or less every day and I
perceive
> them to try to position themself av the "next" google.
I suspect O
rom the authors. I would
argue it's violating the copyright but I'm aware the foundation isn't very
interested in defending it.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.14165
On Sat, Dec 10, 2022, 10:42 AM Anders Wennersten
wrote:
Is this Ai software using info from Wikipedia directly or indirec
Is this Ai software using info from Wikipedia directly or indirecly, and
if not is it an alternative way of storing knowledge to the wikiway?
Anders
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We have discussed at svwp the target group for our articles and to which
we should adjust our language.
And we have come to the conclusion 15-16 years old (good) students. If
younger it is too hard to understand the elements we use in an article
to describe an issue. And to write without basi
provide readers with info from WP/WD?
I believe we are and will be best in providing typical encyclopedisc
text, like of the Spanish flu. And perhaps we will not be best in other
areas, like providing info in multimedia form
Anders
Den 2022-01-07 kl. 18:41, skrev Anders Wennersten:
When I lo
When I look at statistics for mature wikipedias: en, de pl, nl they all
show a decrease of views of 13-15% in last 12 months from a year ago,
and number of active editors down 10- 20 % (with exception of en).
Has this been analysed somewhere, are we losing our readers and
contributors or is it
Well stated Yaroslav, and congratulation to the people
elected/selected/appointed
I see this election process as the best yet in the movement. I believe
the election/selection/ appointed worked very well and gave a well
balanced group. Looking through the stages of the Single Transferable
Vot
Results>.
Some projects where done, some not and there are some that are
external tools that you have to use as a gadget.
Students are relying on YouTube to learn things. We are obsolete. Very
obsolete.
Galder
--------
*F
"We will have more and more and more millions, but we will still...
yes... obsolete." Galder
What phenomenon do you see challenge Wikipedias role as a source for
common knowledge, an encyklopedia for everyone?
I see that for the last 20 years no successful commercial encyclopedia
has been l
A very good set of candidates and a good work done organizing the election.
Elaine, also a very strong candidate was, with a small margin, just
outside. Could she be made a official "reserve" candidate?
In the election 2015 Danny resigned very soon after election, and the
election committee t
Is it really necessary to start all seven at the same time, and now?
Would it not be better to start with two or three, where it is possible
to get a strong committee? And work with these six month or a year to
learn of challenges and possible improvements, before setting up the rest.
Anders
A truly amazing achievement!
It must have been 10 or 11 years since I was in the group supporting the
financial person at the board. And we then discussed how much the
potential income could be from donations and we also raise the issue of
an endowment. Income from donations has since been q
The servers are owned by WMF. And they can then state basic rules that
all must apply to. And especially for hatred and threats they must by
law enforce a proper policy
We have seen Facebook and Twitter be more proactive and the law in EU
goes further with demanding basic acceptable language
There are many of us on this list who have given the feedback we find
that expression offensive and unacceptable.
Do not forget the readers of this list comes from may different cultures
and if you and the people close to you find it "acceptable" it is not a
valid judgment for all, and why do
I want to echo Jackies two mail
The community for svwp is not so big and complicated issues on conduct
are uncommon. But when they occur we often get caught in argument like "
you who claim to decide over svwp CoC are just a small kabal of some
10-120 admins, you are unrepresentative and the e
one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No".
Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten <
m...@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy.
which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No".
Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten
wrote:
The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The
strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 indi
The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The
strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals representing
more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the closest we
have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in a
democracy, ev
I want to express my gratitude to the people who have put up this letter
on meta [1)
I see it as a much more professional way of expressing movement
opinions, then the usual Rfc's (that also already exist related to the
2030 movement brand project).
I do like that both entities (Affiliates,
I agree. youtube (+zoom) and chat worked very well. I still had problem
follow all that being said, and would like the "black" notice to have
been used more and show (just a few seconds) the question being
discussed. And besides applauds for Maggie being straight forward, I
also want to applau
I find this final version much easier to get to grips with, both in
language and structure/content. And to condense it into 10
recommendations instead of 13 complemented with 10 principles is a big
improvement.
It is a great base on which to build our "new" movement, and I expect it
will be m
Is there a more definite date when the final recommendations will be
published (as April is over in a few hours time)?
Anders
Den 2020-03-25 kl. 18:57, skrev Nicole Ebber:
Hi everyone,
I wanted to share some updates from movement strategy with you. We are
currently integrating feedback into
I have a background in a telecom supplier, and we were proud to talk of
us "connecting people" and with 5G (where things also gets connected)
"interconenctivity" would be a great brand concept for that company.
But for Wikimedia I have never felt this as a relevant brandconcept. To
"share and
In our case the a few volunteers running (organizing) edit-a-thons, met
with a few key persons who patrollers to discuss the dilemma. And so
changes and new variants for the patrollers work were introduced, at the
same time as the introduction to newbees by volunteers was somewhat
changed.
T
We are a small version that welcome all contributions that enhance
value. So we do not use coi to say no, we only use coi when people enter
biased statements, or get angry when their contributions gets neutralized.
And we do not use templates in those cases, we do not even have ones, we
only
Sometimes I wonder if we really belong to the same movement or even live
on the same planet.
A wonderful work has been done with the recomendations, and the end
result looks very fine, with only a few minor comments needed as far as
I can see.
And I believe whatever we think of the endresul
The people who has written the forthcoming recommendations, have been
engaged for around two years, and they have spend manmonths of dedicated
work.
It is not realistic to believe that an outsider (as we others now are)
can substantially change any of the recommendations. We can though give
c
What is the current status?
The final version of recommendation should have been completed by
November 1, I can not find any published
A new working group should have been formed in order to synthesizing the
89recommendations. Is it formed and who are its members
Are there any more concrete
Den 2019-10-21 kl. 17:39, skrev Jean-Philippe Béland:
Wikimedia Canada is proud to have a majority of women on its Board. We
believe that we are the only Wikimedia chapter in this situation, please
correct me if I'm wrong.
Well, WMSE has had a majority of women on its board since March 2015,
For work groups experience tells a first meting IRL to get to know each
other is necessary, but after that video conference works well.
For big events, why not have groups (40-50 persons) get together on
local level with excellent on-line facilities (wide screens etc) that
connects to all othe
I want to express my appreciation for the work being done and the result.
I am not able to get to grips with all parts of the recommendation but
as I understand there are two key messages:
*To distribute many of the function now at WMF in SF to different
locations in the world (whereof 50% i
Since end of June I am following closely (via Listerialists) all changes
in Wikdata on the 15000 object i have created and have special interest
in. They are about adm units in Sweden, mostly historical and I had not
anticipated any big amount of change., But in reality there are lots,
10-30 a
I see the main and most important trend just now is the broad usage and
introduction of Wikidata in strengthening and extending Wikipedia content.
And Wikidata works against deletionism. All Pokemons shall have separate
WD objects, independency how it is in Wikipedia articles. And as WD is
he
+1
We need to make a reality that Wikipedia workspace is without langauge
that intimidate users.
Anders
Den 2019-06-14 kl. 14:45, skrev camelia boban:
I quote David and Isaac.
Harassment is a serious thing and hounding another user is out of any wiki
behavior.
Before asking why WMF has banne
In our community (Swedish) we embrace Wikidata wholeheartedly and we
have found solution to take care of vandalism. Literialist, show changes
on Wikidata on Wikipedia etc.
I believe it is more an attitude issue then a technical one.
I agree with earlier comments that English Wikipedia is not e
There is a Swedish expression "har man tagit fan i båten får man ro
honom i land" (If you have taken the devil into your boat you must row
him ashore"
Independent if this process has been bad or not, I see it is as just
some six month left of it. And it is important to do the best of it. It
w
In my experience we are now leaving Phase one of filling Wikidata with
basic data.
This first phase involved many botcreated items and wellmeaning
semi-manual mass updates. This has resulted in many problems. Bots that
is filling wrong Item, with same name but a different object, creating
me
We are now experiencing a couple of cases where third party uses data
from Wikidata to create user interface of data from it without any use
of Wikipedia, to support their own systems. One is a genealogy website,
who use Wikidata to present where parish having genealogy records can be
found on
iate.
For an extreme case, [[World War II]] gets *five* long paragraphs for
its intro section.
- d.
On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 at 10:57, Anders Wennersten
wrote:
In my little duckpond (svwp) we have guidleines for the introduction
part of the article.
It should use (simple) language to enable 14-16
In my little duckpond (svwp) we have guidleines for the introduction
part of the article.
It should use (simple) language to enable 14-16 years old to understand
it (while the rest can use more complicated vocabulary)
It should hopefully only be 1-3 sentences, and to state what is all
about
I disagree.
For me it is perfect. I get the impulse to get in and I know if I am
busy with other things. Reminder of something in the future get lost
otherwise.
Anders
Den 2018-10-26 kl. 10:22, skrev Fæ:
Saw this message today. Almost all readers of this list will find a
broadcasted 30 mi
As I see it the strategy process is run for the functionaries in the
movement and by them. People with focus on contributing to the projects
are not involved, when volunteers is mentioned it is mostly people
running worskhops for beginners etc, a kind of semi functionaries, not
the hard core co
James, I think you yourself earlier today put forwards a possible first
step in this direction.
Support a group of people working "at the front" in neutralizing paid
editing and other bad editing, by giving them possiblity to meet IRL,
and why not at a session commited to this issue at WIkiman
I can agree with most what you write Yaroslav, but I want also to remind
the scenario that started this issue.
I believe we are in a process of worsening deterioration of the content
in our major project (Enwp,dewp etc). This as the rewards to enter
biased info in these are getting higher as t
I fully support Micrus summary and comments, I see it them very up to
the point I raised in my first input in this thread.
And while I see this as a general problem for all versions/projects, I
can see that a start on enwp would make sense. It has the biggest number
of edits but also being the
My own reflection reading this discussion is that there is a difference
between vandalism and POV pushing.
For vandalism we have better routines in place and also tools like ORES,
and also a system of steward who can acts in cases of crosswikivandals
For Pov pushing and especially cross wiki
My main worry, during my daily patrolling, is if we manage to neutralize
the bad editing (vandalism, POV pushing) or if the destructive editing
is slowly successfully degenerating the great content we have created in
our projects.
In todays Sign-post it indicates an accelerating rate of decrea
We have the latest propaganda issue from Russia (gazprom and a troll
company), that has been accepted in around 50 wikipedia versions. I see
this not only as propaganda but also fake news
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q19960532
Anders
Den 2018-04-27 kl. 16:26, skrev Devouard (gmail):
Hi
I
His death caused 11,7 m accesses to his article in the last two days, 14
versions with more then 10 accesses (enwp 5,7 M).
Impressive figures showing how global artists are nowadays, and how
natural it is to look into Wikipedia when things happen
Anders
https://tools.wmflabs.org/langview
Are you aware of the huge difference in bureaucracy on the different
language versions?
Of course a more elaborate set of written rules is needed where there
are many users, then what is needed where the number of contributors are
fewer.
But even on an smaller language version like "mine" sv
I am very happy to follow this thread as I believe it is addressing a
very relevant issue.
In my mind we can divide up the different language version into 5
categories:
1.Enwp,
2.the next 6-7 (de,fr, es,jp,pt,ru..)
3.the next 20 or so, where the basic workprocesses are applied
4.the next 4
ion_Readers_metrics_Q1_2017-18_(Jul-Sep_2017).pdf
On Tue, Jan 23, 2018 at 2:55 AM, Anders Wennersten
wrote:
We are seeing a steady decrease of page views to our projects (Wikipedia).
Nov-Dec-Jan it is decreasing in a rate of 5-10% (year-year), and for big
languages like Japanese, Spanish clos
We are seeing a steady decrease of page views to our projects
(Wikipedia). Nov-Dec-Jan it is decreasing in a rate of 5-10%
(year-year), and for big languages like Japanese, Spanish close to 10%,
or some months even more [1]
Is there any insights of why this is so? Could it be that Google tak
WMSE has run programs with this focus for more then 3 years on svwp.
The result have been roughly
2-3 generated more then 1000 articles
15-25 generated more then 100 articles
100-200 more then 10 articles
around 500 at least one
giving a total of a bit more the 1 new articles of women. And ev
Thanks, it is a great feature! Especially to easily find the Ref tags.
And it work just fine for me, technically.
Anders
Den 2017-08-23 kl. 20:41, skrev Danny Horn:
Hi everyone,
I've got some good news -- wikitext syntax highlighting is live again, and
I'm almost completely sure it's staying
I LOVE the Wikipedia way of working - result-oriented, respectful
dialogues around facts
I HATE power-games and misuse of given authority, both in general in
life and especially in the Wikimedia movement
I ADMIRE the functionaries in France who have stood firm in their own
integrity and thei
I do hope WMF taken NO action. We have learnt by similar cases, that the
local communities(chapters) haves best insight in how to best proceed.
And things would evolve to be much worse if an non-turkish entity was to
take action
Anders
Den 2017-04-29 kl. 12:45, skrev Rogol Domedonfors:
Pres
This basic issue has for many years been a "hot" issue in Sweden.
And the use of the words "han" (he/his) and "hon" (she/her) has become a
minefield. And to use "him and her" to mean all type of persons is just
not acceptable (what about all who want to use other attributes to
define themselv
We have 61000 editors that made more the 5 edits last month and 8800
making more then 100 edits. Last election to the Board attracted 5500
voters. These figures gives a magnitude of the numbers in the community.
The number of active on this list are around 50-100, and normal
participations in
Re: the Swedish Wikipedia is mostly just bot-created articles.
There are around 620 000 all manually created. Of the botcreated "seed"
articles over 20 have been extended by manual effort, enabling us to
for example have proper articles on all mammals in the world, all birds,
all lakes in
Anna, I am surprised at your pessimism
I see cases over and over again how we "find a way to turn our culture
toward more generative and constructive forms of public discourse"
See how our Armenian friends is doing wonders turning their closest
surrounding into being open in a very tough cul
Thanks for this info and decision!
And very many thanks to you and your team making such a marvellous job
with the fundraising. We are not only reaching our goal in record time,
but also getting very good press for the professionalism for the the
campaign and its messages
Anders
Den 2016-1
It seems the whole world is full of spreading lies nowadays.
I feel very sad that now even we are following this trend
If we stated we would stop when the target was met, so we should stop
when the target was met
Anders
who are commited to spread correct facts through Wikipedia, as a
counter
My experience from following the board of WMSE several years, and where
we now have two years terms is
First year is a learning phase where you more listen then participate
Second year most get more involved and find it very stimulated to be in
the Board
Third year some get very active, whil
Il Mercoledì 12 Ottobre 2016 10:31, Peter Southwood
ha scritto:
Wikitrivia?
Cheers,
P
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I think this initiative point to a weakness in our approach, that is
worth discussing, independent if just this will be anything or not.
In our version we have somewhat lower quality demand then enwp, and we
can also be more pragmatic and handle cases individually, but still one
of our most re
I am very happy how this nowadays works out.
We have now a lot of chapters, each with a Board. And here the members
are not oldtimers and here is the appropriate first place to get into
the Wikmedia world.
And there are many bodies who you can then turn to to get further into
the Wikimedia w
I joined the movement in 2007. I was then overwhelmed by the beauty and
strength of the concept and the content in the projects. But at the same
time I was underwhelmed by the support structure behind. Even if
Delphine and Brion were good in talking with everyone and fixing
technique and Floren
Very good and also very accurate.
It reminds it also works the other way. When I was in Australia 1979
discussing a delicate project proposal, I stated "to resolve this we
need to have ice in the stomach " and getting a big question mark on
everyone's face as a response. Iit seemed this well
I have been active in FDC and followed closely all applicants. It works
very well when it comes to promote small affiliates to grow in a
controlled way and ensuring that money is spent wisely. The FDC, though,
demand an elaborate plan, and application, which can be (too) hard as a
first step if
I fully agree with Risker. I feel this discussion is only (mainly)
looking at enwp. Harassment probably exist on all versions but the
seriously of the issue look very differently.
Being the most active user and sysop on a smaller version (svwp) I do
not recognize the issues being discussed. On
Den 2016-06-03 kl. 21:35, skrev Michael Peel:
On 3 June 2016 at 03:19, Anders Wennersten
wrote:
3.The composition of the Board, mandates given to members of the Board and
by whom, formal relation between the Board and the stakeholders of our
movement, is a complete mess. And an audit would
Den 2016-06-02 kl. 20:07, skrev Nathan:
To Anders' point, perhaps not all insights
offered will be new to everyone.
Perhaps unwise of me. I state here what I would expect to come out of
such an audit/review (and I do not write this to start a heated
discussion, I could be very wrong, but to
Thanks for your feedback. I think it import we have a realistic view on
what a governance review/audit can accomplish.
My experience on running audits/reviews resembles what you write. A lot
of the result will most probably be long bits of text, stating thing
that is already well known, like t
will enable us to reach our vision
Anders
Den 2016-05-15 kl. 21:55, skrev Anders Wennersten:
Thanks, for once, again a very thorough work done by FDC.
I find it very encouraging to see that this committee is able to
continue with its good quality in its assessments and also to see it
growin
Thanks, for once, again a very thorough work done by FDC.
I find it very encouraging to see that this committee is able to
continue with its good quality in its assessments and also to see it
growing as a role model in integrity and also truly representing the
community in values and experienc
Den 2016-05-07 kl. 22:25, skrev Andreas Kolbe:
On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 7:17 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak
wrote:
Regarding the community seat, I am in conversation with the Election
Committee, which has narrowed it down to just a few options. We are going
to finish this discussion soon and I expect th
On 21 April 2016 at 07:48, Anders Wennersten
wrote:
Our traditional way of creating article is based on the interests of the
contributors. This produces skewed total result, and this becomes more
evident on a smaller version like svwp, then on bigger. We have long come
to the conclusion that we
Our traditional way of creating article is based on the interests of the
contributors. This produces skewed total result, and this becomes more
evident on a smaller version like svwp, then on bigger. We have long
come to the conclusion that we will never be able to fill categories
like towns in
selected from the community and I call
them being community selected (but perhaps it is bad English)
Anders
Den 2016-04-11 kl. 13:13, skrev Andy Mabbett:
On 9 April 2016 at 07:26, Anders Wennersten wrote:
this is the second community selected
ITYM "community suggested". The selection
My spontaneous reaction, like others in the Election Committee, when
informed of Dennys resignation was to think a byelection, soon in time,
would be the "natural" way to fill the empty seat. This is how it has
been done earlier (even if now some years back) and while the
appointment of Maria
Den 2016-04-09 kl. 12:51, skrev Fæ:
leaving your seat should be made to appear like a
royal abdication or the result of failure.
Yes, another option to secure a continuity of members in the board would
be to accept resignations will occur and then have the community
election to end formally in
I, as all others, has full sympathy for Danny and find that he in his
mail made an excellent explanation on how the situation made the option
to resign the only reasonable way forward
BUT this is the second community selected that has left the Board within
a year after being appointed, and bef
?
Anders
Den 2016-03-31 kl. 19:19, skrev Dan Garry:
On 30 March 2016 at 23:39, Anders Wennersten
wrote:
What is WMFs position on Wikiwand [1]?
There is no "official WMF position" on Wikiwand. The Wikimedia Foundation
is quite a diverse collection of individuals with a range o
What is WMFs position on Wikiwand [1]?
is it a complement or a commercial run interface that is better that we
can offer?
Anders
[1] http://www.wikiwand.com/about
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This is not he only case where I lately have observed a tendency to use
words which is more or less unintelligent for non-English speaking people.
The phrase "Inspire Campaign on content curation & review" includes a
number of complicated words. I commented upon this [1] to
Jethro who only sta
I second Delphines praise.
I am also very glad to see that this being the fourth major decision
taken by the Board this year (outing of James was done last year...) ,
and that they all have been very good and balanced. And even if valid
wishes for quicker decisions is raised, I myself prioriti
There are now, five days before deadline, 7 candidates and all new
names. Last time two years ago there were only two candidates before the
very last days before deadline and both being existing Board members.
It is very good to see so many competent candidates and representing a
wider set of
Den 2016-03-01 kl. 11:01, skrev David Emrany:
The credibility of Wikipedia as a brand is going down the tubes
rapidly as fresh scandals emerge with alarming frequency. More enemies
of the movement are being created daily.
We all live in different realities, so please be careful to indicate
t
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