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groups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 3:27 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? Bill, Bad example. A better one is to compare zazen to eating your fligh

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of zen is to reach 'just this', instead of just eating and sleeping.   Anthony --- On Sun, 24/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, 24 Oct

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Chris Wrote: "Of course, even then, there is no person to care. Just caring". Mayka: Indeed Chris.  Thanks. --- On Sat, 23/10/10, ChrisAustinLane wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogr

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n the pot.  The soil become the geraniums!.   Mayka     --- On Sat, 23/10/10, Mark Perew wrote: From: Mark Perew Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 23 October, 2010, 0:40   Mayka - Over the 4 billion or

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Ed, I'll respond only to my comment which was in support of one of Chris' comments (not all of them). His comment and my response was: [Chris] I was arguing that reality cannot be divided into two distinct things, people and nature... [Bill!] I'll second that! I support Chris' statement because

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g it a little for clarification: 'What goal(s) does your zen practice have?' .Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 10:22 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural

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/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 23 October, 2010, 5:49 PM   Ed, I’m not sure what else there is to say. Zen practice is just zen p

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, just this.   Anthony --- On Sat, 23/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 23 October, 2010, 10:53 AM   Anthony, Nature has no goals

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Bill, does the term 'zen practice' refer to zazen after one's first experiences of kensho? Thanks, ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Ed, I'm not sure what else there is to say. Zen practice is just zen > practice. It's not done to achieve or change anything. Everything is > per

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Mark, Chris and Bill, I fail to understand what the issue really is. To me, reality is reality, nature is nature, and people are people. --ED Definitions of reality: * world: all of your experiences that determine how things appear to you; "his world was shattered"; "we live in differen

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@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 10:57 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?   Bill, Can you say a little more about this matter? --ED   --- In Zen_Forum

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Chris, I’ll second that! …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ChrisAustinLane Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 2:53 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? I was arguing

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I was arguing that reality cannot be divided into two distinct things, people and nature (despite what people might naturally think). Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 22, 2010, at 20:24, Mark Perew wrote: > > > Chris - > > I think you've rebutted your own statement.

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Bill, Can you say a little more about this matter? --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Zen practice has no goals. > Bill!

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Chris - I think you've rebutted your own statement. The separation from Nature is illusion, maya, etc. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:52 PM, ChrisAustinLane wrote: > > > Thanks, > Chris Austin-Lane > Sent from a cell phone > > On Oct 22, 2010, at 16:40, Mark Perew wrote: > > > Nature does not car

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is', or Just THIS! No goals, no expectations, just the way it is, Just THIS! …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Wu Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 5:32 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in

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Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 22, 2010, at 16:40, Mark Perew wrote: > Nature does not care what we do, because there is no person there to care. People are a part of nature. People are a part of nature that has a complex enough brain to get confused and try to liv

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Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:19, Mark Perew wrote: > Nature does not complain, since nature does not have have any attachments to > how things "should be". Nature neither accepts nor rejects what is. Nature > just is. This division of things into

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Mayka - Over the 4 billion or so years that planet Earth has existed, life has come and gone many times. This infinitesimal grain of sand we call home has been heated by volcanoes and dust, frozen over, slammed into by even smaller rocks, and poisoned with oxygen. Each event was traumatic, and l

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Doesn't it? Then why were you born? Why are there myriads of things, instead of nothing existing?   Anthony --- On Sat, 23/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, 23 October, 201

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Mark said: "Nature has no goals" The one single law that nature is (in effect) driven by is the replication and survival of living entities. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Mark Perew wrote: > > Chris - > > My first wife slept through much of the labor of our first child. This was

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zazen, mindfulness, awareness...  To hear, see, smell, sense...all that we can't differently.  Mayka   --- On Fri, 22/10/10, Mark Perew wrote: From: Mark Perew Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 22 October, 2

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t;> > >> From: > >> Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>[mailto: > Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com<http://de.mc862.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com>] > On Behalf Of Maria Lopez > >&g

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rous? >> >> …Bill! >> >> >> >> From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf >> Of Maria Lopez >> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:37 PM >> To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive ne

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Chris, The higlighted portion of my post below was not intended as a recommendation, but as a (sort-of) koan to contemplate. --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, ChrisAustinLane wrote: Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:38, "ED" > wrote: > Therefore

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Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 22, 2010, at 7:38, "ED" wrote: > Therefore the would-be yeller needs ask himself/herself the question: No! That is just adding mental activity on top of the impulse to yell. If you are unsure about the yelling, breath, wait, and see i

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hat. But I know that in the beach everyone can hear me yelling. That yelling is actually very good because it helps me to cope and reheat my body better. >> >> >> >> Mayka >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --- On Thu, 21/10/10, billsm...@h

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Chris said: ... giving your all for something other than your self, ... Generally all human actions are directed toward the interests of self and groups we identify with. But you assert that child-birth with its blood, sweat and tears is an exception to the universal self-centered focus of hu

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t: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:37 PM > To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? > > > > > > Bill: > > > > Is it violent?. What I have tried is that every time I'm about of getti

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--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, Maria Lopez wrote: > > You missed the point again. What point have I missed again? > And by the way, nature screams when something harms it. Yes, nature has every reason to scream: "Who trusted God was love indeed And love Creation's final law Tho' Nature,

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get into water.   Mayka          --- On Fri, 22/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, 22 October, 2010, 15:38     Mayka asked: "Is it [the yelling] violent?" Mayka,

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Mayka asked: "Is it [the yelling] violent?" Mayka, Yelling is just what it is - yelling. But yelling in public can be quite annoying and disturbing to some or many. Therefore the would-be yeller needs ask himself/herself the question: "Shall I apply my understanding of zen to *myself* an

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eria takes place for there is nothing to cuddle and take care, letting be expressed out.    Mayka   --- On Fri, 22/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date:

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: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? Bill: Is it violent?. What I have tried is that every time I'm about of getting into the bath, laying my back on the very cold material of the bath I emit a very long sound wit

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Trying to grasp something ED?   --- On Thu, 21/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, 21 October, 2010, 18:36     Rose, The dualistic conception of open-mindedness/closed

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Rose, The dualistic conception of open-mindedness/closed-mindedness is a meaningless, illusory/delusory fixation of our religio-cultural mind-set. For instance, is it the Supreme Ayatollah, the Pope or the Grand Rabbi of Yahoo groups who will infallibly pronounce on who is which (open-minded o

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The reactive react so that the non-reactive may better exhibit their spontaneity. ;-) --ED --- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > You do react, but your reactions are spontaneous not premeditated. Bill!

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learn really well what is this mindfulness about then one has to go to the real source of this teaching and that is TNH and his monastics.  Attending a retreat with them.    Mayka     --- On Thu, 21/10/10, Rose P wrote: From: Rose P Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brai

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Bill: You do react, but your reactions are spontaneous not premeditated. Good point. Mayka --- On Thu, 21/10/10, billsm...@hhs1963.org wrote: From: billsm...@hhs1963.org Subject: RE: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday

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llent breathing technique…Bill!   From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 2:03 AM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?     That sounds terri

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stripping them right back, and taking them away from their context (sort of thing).   Rose --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Maria Lopez wrote: From: Maria Lopez Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 20, 201

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: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? That sounds terrible Chris. And this is what I meant by reading or overhearing about breathing but with no experience at all into that. As a woman I should have encouraged her to yell

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not premeditated. …Bill! From: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com [mailto:zen_fo...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Lopez Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:36 PM To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? Rose: Non being

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they can make an statistics about the heart too.   Mayka   --- On Wed, 20/10/10, ChrisAustinLane wrote: From: ChrisAustinLane Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" Cc: "Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com" Date: We

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Rose, All teachers and Eastern traditions, and now Western psychologists/pychotherapitsts are essentially saying the same things about meditation: o Two of the principal causes of human suffering are a strong desire and grasping for what we like and a strong aversion to, fear of, hate for, cri

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obably an unattainable one.    Rose --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Maria Lopez wrote: From: Maria Lopez Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 12:16 PM   Empathy, care for a patient,  al

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t in others? Or always helpful.? For a beginner like > myself there's something appealing about non-reactivity as a 'goal', albeit > probably an unattainable one. > > Rose > > --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Maria Lopez wrote: > > From: Maria Lopez > Subject:

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Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:16, Maria Lopez wrote: > If mindfulness is show in a scientific way the outcome will be a disaster I have more faith. Scientists are humans, and there has already been much suffering relieved by the meditation based thera

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s, the concepts, the debates, and indeed the 'wondering'...), is > non-reactivity to experience the essence, the key, the aim of the practice > > Rose > > --- On Wed, 10/20/10, ED wrote: > > From: ED > Subject: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain d

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r who embodies that heart.  Nothing at all is possible without the heart.  If mindfulness is show in a scientific way the outcome will be a disaster     --- On Wed, 20/10/10, Rose P wrote: From: Rose P Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yaho

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, 20/10/10, Rose P wrote: From: Rose P Subject: Re: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 20 October, 2010, 12:21   This was a really interesting article Ed. The bit that really stood out for me was 'Yea

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dering'...), is non-reactivity to experience the essence, the key, the aim of the practice   Rose --- On Wed, 10/20/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 6:48 AM  

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st who is not into anything and does the work beautifully because he listens to my body while the other one didn't!.   Mayka   --- On Wed, 20/10/10, ED wrote: From: ED Subject: [Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation? To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, 20 October,

[Zen] Positive neural changes in the brain due to meditation?

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