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Re: Emilio and Frito
Chrissy- Blessings to you for helping these animals in need out. I often chastise myself because many times it seems I am more compassionate for these cats than I am for my own human race. But the love is there, and the only thing we can do to feel right is go with it, which is what you have been doing. I understand about the acquisition of cats. They are social animals. I started out with two, and then along came a stray, who I found a home for, but not before she had a litter. I found homes for two of her kittens, but the third, Cricket, I couldn't. Fell in love with him and that made three. Then my parents moved to Florida and left their 3 cats with me until they found a home. Well they found a home all right, but the HO doesn't allow animals outside the home, and my mom is allergic. So now I'm up to six. The day my husband and I moved into our home, a seventh stray showed up. Then my sister decided to get a divorce and not take care of her son or their 3 cats, so now I have ten cats and a ten year old. LOL. The city has a limit of three, so I pray that none of our neighbors find that out. Four live inside and the rest outside, and the neighbors have been wonderful about the cats it seems. Although I am sure we are known as the cat people. My husband isn't too happy about it, but what can I do? My goal is to become debt free and buy some land and get a barn like one of the other ladies on this site so I have a place for these cats to go. In the meantime... I wouldn't be able to euthanize Emilio and Frito either, so don't feel bad. There is an organization called Best Friends. www.bestfriends.org. They are located in Utah, but they have a lot of sister organizations all over the country that they partner with. I support them financially because I believe in what they are doing. Once I called them because my ailing grandmother was feeding all these cats and they kept multiplying because they were feral and she couldn't catch them to have them fixed. BF called an organization in Greensboro, N.C., where my grandma lives and they came out and caught all the cats, fixed them, and brought them back. There were probably 8 cats. BF is awesome. The main thing they are known for is their sanctuary in Utah, which takes care of hundreds of animals that are unadoptable. People take their vacations there to volunteer. It's really neat. Anyway, maybe they can help you. And maybe you will have luck with the Best Little Cat House in the next month or so. Also, there are some people who take in only FeLV cats, so maybe an ad in the newspaper asking for help??? From what I have studied about FeLV, and from what my vet gave me to read, the transmission of FeLV is either through bite wounds, birth, close casual contact (grooming), and shared dishes or litter pans. So hopefully, play fighting through a door won't qualify, but you can't be too sure. Probably the reason your vet hasn't been too reassuring or the info. you get is contradictory is that the vet professionals and researchers still don't know much about FeLV. They are at a loss as well, although strides have been made in the past ten years in medical research and is ongoing. There may come a time when you may have make the decision to stop feeding any strays that come along, and they will move on to the next house they think they may be able to get food from. I know that sounds horrible, but at some point, you may have to draw the line, whether it be 5 cats, 10, or 20. If you don't, you might end up on TV like these people who have 50 cats in their small apartment and the health department and animal control are busting their door down. ;P Have a great day Chrissy, and take care- God Bless You for your efforts- Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Encouragement for Julie and Mandy
Julie- I am so sorry you and Mandy are going through this right now. My heart goes out to you both. I told myself that I would not allow Cricket to suffer, so when the time comes that he is visibly suffering and not taking any enjoyment from life, I will take him. I know the time will come for us as well. As long as Mandy wants you to hold her and stroke her, I believe she is able to enjoy herself and feel good. I hope that you will somehow feel peaceful when the time comes to make that decision and you are the only person, and the best, who should be making that decision. I will pray for peace and courage for you and Mandy. Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: My Beautiful Mandy
Julie, What do you say to someone who's heart is broken? This may sound a little odd, but I remember this poem from when I tried out for drill team in high school and didn't make it. I know you are no longer a child, but you are a child of God. PRAYER Lord, you have taught me to accept defeat To taste the bitter when I sought the sweet Knowing the longest night brings hopeful dawn, I gather up the pieces and go on. Now, let your Spirit tell me how to treat A child whose dreams lie broken at her feet; How to share the hard-earned wisdom and the calm, The confidence, to be her sore heart's balm? She's tender, Lord, Her hurts hurt more than mine. She's young, and thinks the sun will never shine. Just yesterday, she laughed, and walked in clover... Teach her tomorrow is for starting over. -- Author: Helene Lewis Coffer Julie, I hope you find some comfort from the words that everyone has written. It's wonderful that you were able to be with Mandy when she passed; I know she wasn't as scared because you were there. That is my one wish for Cricket if he doesn't make it. I don't want him to be alone. You will get through this Julie. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: ImmunoRegulin/Cricket
Hi Belinda, Cricket isn't feral, but he sure does act like it sometimes. He gets crazy if anyone tries to do anything to him at the vet. Since he was so anemic, it was less stressful on him to sedate him. I did find a vet who will administer the ImmunoRegulin that I bought as soon as it gets here. I just don't know what dosage to give him. The vet said he would look up the dosage, but I am a little weary about vets anyway, and like to find the information out before I do things so I'm not caught off guard or know if something doesn't sound right. I hope we have enough time. Cricket's labs came back with a hemocrit of 7%, which is pretty bad, and he didn't look so well this morning. So I am just trying to get through the day at work so I can get home to him. I wish it were Friday. The vet didn't sound very encouraging after looking at his labs. He also had one eye dilated this morning so I don't know what in the world that means. I just hope if he goes that I am home with him. Has anyone had a cat die of anemia at home while you were there? Is it painful? I don't want to take him to the vet if I don't have to because he hates going to the vet. Thanks. Hanging on to hope- Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Here's where to go to see the SC kitty pix!
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RE: Wendy/ImmunoRegulin/Cricket
Thank you so much Kerry; I can't seem to get enough information right now. And I'm feeling pretty desperate and tired, but probably not more so than Cricket. I appreciate and look forward to receiving the package. Maybe something in there will be lifesaving for him, or give him more time to live healthily and happily. Thanks for the hugs. :( Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: for Wendy: ImmunoRegulin/Cricket
Thank Kerry-I printed the info. off and will take it to the vet's tomorrow. I pray that Cricket is better today and will be responsive to the IR. God bless you. Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: My Beautiful Mandy and Julie
Julie, I'm glad you found this site. It has been a God-send for me in the past week while my cat Cricket is sick. Cricket is doing much like your Jazzy; lying in our bedroom in a corner behind a plant. I think they may be twins the way you describe Jazzy: fighting the pills, purring softly, disinterested in food/water. I'm not ready to let Cricket go yet and since he has been up and down for the past ten+ days, I am still holding out hope. I know you've probably read the posts on ImmunoRegulin. I will let you know asap how Cricket fares with the injections. His hemocrit is horribly low. The post before mine about seeing a specialist might help you put your mind at ease. At least you'll know exactly what your treatment options are for Jazzy. I'm weighing a blood transfusion right now, but it's so expensive and may only prolong his life a little. It's horrible when someone you love wastes away in front of your eyes. Cricket has been a source of my laughter for the past 4 and a half years. He is a unique cat. He likes riding in the car and getting into the shower with me. Maybe he thinks he's a dog. lol. I understand your heartache and am sending prayers and peace to Jazzy and you. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Wendy/ImmunoRegulin/Cricket
Thank you for your prayers Nina. And the info. I am not sure how Cricket will respond to the needle tomorrow, but if it's more effective than subQ, I'd rather go that route. I promised Cricket after his last harrowing visit to the vet two years ago that I would never leave him again and I won't. He almost died then; if I wouldn't have taken him home and cared for him round the clock like I did he would probably have been gone in another half day. I know he would rather be at home. I would never forgive myself if he passed away while at the vets without me there. I had a hard time with the guilt two years ago, although I had no idea that he wasn't being cared for properly. :) Wendy __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Update on Cricket
Well, it has been a roller coaster of a weekend for me. My poor husband probably thinks I have gone bonkers. I called in sick (in tears) to work Thursday evening (for Friday) because I thought I was going to have to take Cricket to be PTS if he started having difficulty breathing due to low rbc's. Friday morning I woke up late, having gotten some MUCH needed rest, and Cricket seemed the same. He didn't seem to be in pain or having trouble breathing, so I didn't take him to the vet. I had taken him the evening before to get the IV shot of ImmunoRegulin, that had just come in the mail, thank goodness. Saturday, I expected him to be worse, but he wasn't. Sunday, he seemed to be a little stronger and alert and had gained weight from what I could tell on the scales. The vet called me this morning to tell me he had read Cricket's labs (he was out of town) and that he has a responsive anemia, which we were under the impression that it was non-responsive. Non responsive is bad; not much chance for survival. Responsive is different. So that basically means Cricket has hope. I am taking him tomorrow for another shot of ImmunoRegulin. I called Dr. Mike Lies, the guy who wrote the article titled Volume of Opinion Warrants Merit posted on the Felineleukemia.org website. He just called me back today to verify that he had indeed written the article in 1989, and that he still uses ImmunoRegulin. He actually uses EqStim, which is the same thing, and what I ordered for Cricket on Revivalanimal.com. They use it for horses, but lower dosages can be used for cats. He said he would do .5ml twice a week for two weeks and see how Cricket does, and keep him on the Prednisolone. Both vets agreed that a transfusion would do no good as he is trying to make his own rbc's and his body might actually fight against the new rbc's from the transfusion. So it's just a waiting game now. I am so thankful I have all of you to vent to, if you want to call it venting. Some might call it whining. Others, expressing myself. One thing is for sure, I feel ten times better now that Cricket has some hope and I am pulling myself out of the dumps, as I hope he is too. This weekend, he spent several hours each day out in the sun enjoying himself. Normally when I let him out, he tries to explore other homes, and I have to round him up. But he just lies there and watches right now. Hopefully, he will soon have the energy to do a little exploring. I never thought I would be happy about that, but I look forward to it. I hope this story/information gives some of you hope who may be in the same situation. Thanks again for your prayers and support. Wendy and Cricket __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Leuk Positive Kitty - Urgent (Rochester, NY)
Amy, I'm all the way in Texas and don't know anyone in NY. Try contacting Best Friends (bestfriends.org) and see if they have a contact. Good luck. Wendy --- Amy Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had sent this e-mail out last week regarding a leuk positive kitty. I haven't followed up because I didn't hear back from my vet or the rescuer. She just called last night and is still looking for a home for this kitty. She can't keep her and the kitten is confined to a porch where she can no longer stay as it gets cold. Can anybody help this little girl? The rescuer tells me she is a total sweetheart and just precious and wants to come in and mix with her other cats so badly. She just doesn't want to mix the leuk pos with her healthy cats and I can understand that. Everybody has a different opinion on that. Anyways, please see the description below from my previous e-mail. Obviously, she is a bit older now, probably 12 weeks or so. My vet just called me to tell me about a kitten that just tested positive for leukemia. The owner (rescuer) can house her temporarily but needs to find her a home as soon as possible. They are thinking she is about 10 weeks old. She is mostly grey with some orange spots. She has had her distemper shot and has been dewormed and flea treated. She has not been spayed yet and is too young for her rabies shot. Is there anybody that could give this little sweetie a home? I am willing to make arrangements for transportation. We just don't want to see this little one euthanized. Amy Wilkins Woof Wagon www.woofwagon.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Introduction
Hi Sandy, I hope this post finds you in better spirits than yesterday. I first want to say hello to a fellow Texan. I lived in Houston for a few years and my parents and brothers have lived there for years until recently. The great thing about living in the big city of Houston is that you shouldn't have any trouble finding a different vet. That's the second thing: I think you need to find a vet that is willing to work with you regarding your little furballs, not one that immediately recommends euthanasia. This will do wonders to give you hope. Find one you are comfortable with by calling and actually asking to speak to the vet. Tell him your situation and see what he says. I have learned these past few weeks that you can tell a lot about a vet that way. Thirdly, I practically drove myself crazy these past few weeks learning about FeLV and trying to decipher on the Internet what is good info. and what isn't. Not to mention deciphering what the vets say. There are so many different opinions. We all read just about everywhere that FeLV can be passed via saliva/grooming/food and water dishes/and litter boxes. But one of my vets told me last week that that has never been proved by the veterinary community, which I was shocked to hear him say. He said the only way they know for sure is through blood, kind of like the AIDS virus, which would mean a cat fight or birth. My Cricket got it from his mother at birth I believe, because she died of it and she was only two years old. Cricket is almost 4 1/2. So I don't know what to think about a lot of the information that is out there. But one thing is for sure: if you let it, it can be OVERWHELMING, depending on your personality. If you're an information seeker like me, don't stress yourself out too much doing research, because a lot of it is negative. I was convinced Cricket was doomed and getting VERY depressed myself, but come to find out yesterday, things may not be so bleak, at least for right now. So yes, educate and encourage yourself, and the people here are wonderful in helping with that, but take it easy. Like Nina says, we do all we can do, and the rest is up to our little furballs and the powers that be. Also, please don't beat yourself up with guilt. Anytime I get angry about anything, I have to ask myself if what was done was intentional. 99% of the time it's not, and therefore, I adjust my thinking accordingly. You would NEVER intentionally hurt your kitties, and probably would go into practically a murderous rage like the rest of us here if you saw someone who was. So cut yourself some slack, and fight off that guilt (which by the way is a good way for the devil to get his little fingers into your life and try to make things harder than they already are). Also, a lot of vets don't recommend vaccinations for FeLV for totally indoor cats so you weren't wrong there. I hadn't vaccinated mine because they've lived indoors all their lives. It never dawned on me that a kitten could be born with it. Hope this info. helps. Email me anytime you need to talk. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction
Just curious: How many of you know without a shadow of a doubt that one of your cats contracted FeLV by coming into contact with a FeLV positive by means of grooming, food, water, or litter (ie. NOT by means of a fight or via birth). I am interested to hear what the results will be. Thanks! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Emilio/Frito -- fundraising idea?
Chrissy, I think the Christmas cards are a great idea! In the way of research, a place to start might be the Veterinary Department at Texas AM University. It's the only vet school in Texas so I think the majority of veterinarians in Texas go to school there and I believe it has a great research facility. Also from felineleukemia.com, I see that Auburn University does research (a vet there created the FeLV vaccine), as well as the University of Washington, University of Southern California, Cornell, and University of Pittsburg. There are only 27 veterinary schools in the U.S. and I think they might be the best place to start. I bet if you sent out a blanket letter to each of them, you'd find that there are several doing research. I have seen some research online and in book form from Cornell. For the record, I would definitely be interested in buying the cards when they come out since the money will be going to a great cause. And since I know several veterinarians in our city, I might be able to get the cards there and sell them at their offices. I imagine there are a lot of us who would be willing to help you and your mom raise money for FeLV. I think the money would be better spent in research vs. shelters, considering that they don't know as much as they need to about the virus. Let me know what I can do to help! :) Wendy P.S. I have an adorable picture of Cricket's face (he's black with big yellow/green eyes) surrounded by red Christmas garland (taken after he had, of course, torn the whole Christmas tree apart-lol). __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Importation of drugs
Gary, Thanks for the info. I didn't know you could import it for use in your own home. When you said personal use, I assume you meant for your cats? lol. I have read that the feline Interferon is much more effective. I tried to research how to get it, but it said it was only available in Europe and Japan. If you have any links to the actual ordering websites, I'd love to have them. Thanks, Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Sub Q fluids
I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction
Awesome! Congratulations on your negative kitty! I am sorry to hear about your kitty that passed away in June. It's also good to know I'm not the only one with cats in the double digits! We have some inside and some outside. Never alone though! lol. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had 2 positive cats among a household of 13 and none of the other cats have contracted FeLV! One of my positives did pass away in June and the other was just re-tested and confirmed to now be negative! Chris -- Original message -- Just curious: How many of you know without a shadow of a doubt that one of your cats contracted FeLV by coming into contact with a FeLV positive by means of grooming, food, water, or litter (ie. NOT by means of a fight or via birth). I am interested to hear what the results will be. Thanks! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: FeLVtalk Poll on FeLV contraction
I will send out the results when they are all in. Maybe one of these research facilities would be interested in the results of real FeLV kitty owners as well. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: None of mine ever did this way. This is an interesting poll. I too would like to see the results. Thanks for bringing this up. In a message dated 11/1/2005 8:22:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just curious: How many of you know without a shadow of a doubt that one of your cats contracted FeLV by coming into contact with a FeLV positive by means of grooming, food, water, or litter (ie. NOT by means of a fight or via birth). I am interested to hear what the results will be. Thanks! Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Importation of drugs
Yes, I am definitely interested. Thanks Nina! --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, If you want to get the feline Interferon Omega, (apparently Gary is talking about something different here), you have to get a special dispensation from the FDA. My vet has made up a packet to help people's vets apply. I've sent the info to the list many times, if you are interested, let me know and I'll post it again. wendy wrote: Gary, Thanks for the info. I didn't know you could import it for use in your own home. When you said personal use, I assume you meant for your cats? lol. I have read that the feline Interferon is much more effective. I tried to research how to get it, but it said it was only available in Europe and Japan. If you have any links to the actual ordering websites, I'd love to have them. Thanks, Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Sub Q fluids
Thanks Nina. I just called my vet because I'm taking Cricket in for another ImmunoRegulin injection today, and asked about subQ fluids. They said they could do it if he is dehydrated and it is not expensive. I would be very uncomfortable doing it, but I think Cricket could use the extra fluids. Thanks for the info.! --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got it right. You use a bag for hydration, (not IV, IV means into the vein), because they need more fluid than what you could fit into a syringe. Once a cat that is dehydrated figures out how much better they feel after they get fluids, they usually settle down and accept the process, some even seem to enjoy it. wendy wrote: I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Sub Q fluids
How long do you have to do subQ for it to be effective? Is there usually an amount of days or weeks that it finally takes effect, or does it vary with every animal? I would do it (especially if it saves money), but only if I felt fully informed, you know? --- MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, believe me, if someone like me-- a technophobe with 10 thumbs--can do it (and I certainly haven't got it down yet--I go 2-3 needles most times) YOU can definitely do it. It sure saves $$$, especially when it's every other day. If it's a one-off though that Cricket needs, then yes, I would have the vet do it there and then. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Sub Q fluids Thanks Nina. I just called my vet because I'm taking Cricket in for another ImmunoRegulin injection today, and asked about subQ fluids. They said they could do it if he is dehydrated and it is not expensive. I would be very uncomfortable doing it, but I think Cricket could use the extra fluids. Thanks for the info.! --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You've got it right. You use a bag for hydration, (not IV, IV means into the vein), because they need more fluid than what you could fit into a syringe. Once a cat that is dehydrated figures out how much better they feel after they get fluids, they usually settle down and accept the process, some even seem to enjoy it. wendy wrote: I feel a little dumb here. I thought sub-q meant you would inject fluid in a needle under the cat's skin. I didn't know you were hooking up a whole IV bag to the cat! I assume this is done to rehydrate an animal. I don't think Cricket would go for this. Can anyone give me the simple explanation of sub q? Thanks! __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Animal Communication
Hi guys, Hope your day is going well. I have never heard of animal communication until I started posting here, and understand what it is, but am having a hard time believing. Can someone sell this theory to me? I think I need a little nudge and some stories, too. Thanks! :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Animal communication
Michelle, Thank you for the beautiful story about Bramble. My heart was in my throat as I read his story. One of the reasons I am so frustrated and stressed is that I don't think Cricket understands what is happening. I took him to get another IV shot of ImmunoRegulin yesterday and he must have been feeling better because he screamed like a wild banshee. I felt HORRIBLE because I knew he was upset with me because he doesn't understand that what I'm doing is trying to help. Maybe an animal communicator is just what I need to take part of this stress away from both of us. Thanks again, Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy I don't know if you were a member when I had Bramble so apologies if you heard this already and to those who have already heard this story as many of you have. I had never really attempted animal communication before either but decided to try following advice from people here when I hit a dilema with Bramble. I only had him 6 months in total from the sanctuary - he was FIV and already sick when I took him in. He had many problems including calicivirus, dental probs, skin probs, keratitis etc... I gave all 3 of my cats revolution for flea prevention - here in UK there was no warning on packaging against giving it to cats with diseases or underweight cats. Bramble went into quite nasty seizures for a couple of days after I put the revolution on him and at first I was assured it was FIV in his CNS and to put him to sleep. Something was telling me this was wrong and people here gave me info and experiences in relation to reactions from flea meds - so I held out and his seizures got less severe. There's no doubt he had CNS probs from FIV related illness but the revolution just massively exacerbated it and then he returned to his normal levels of seizure activity afterwards. He did well for another couple of months. During this time I was told by people here about communicating with animals and decided to try. I explained to Bramble how much I loved him and wanted to help him and that I'd miss him if he wasn't here. But I told him that I didn't want him to be in pain and if he had had enough and wanted to let go then it was ok for him to do that and I'd be here with him. I told him that he could leave his body and his spirit could stay here and that he could be here or come to me whenever he wanted. I also told him to let me know in some way if he felt he needed help and explained to him what would happen with euth anasia. Bramble got very restless and upset and walked away from me in a sulk and giving me definite unhappy signals. I took this to mean he wasn't ready and he calmed down when I acknowledged this and told him it was ok and I was happy to keep fighting with him. At this point I was so confused and prayed each night for a sign that I was doing the right thing. One night the face of my angel tidge (last FIV cat) appeared in a dream and a voice saying keep going. Bramble improved with good vet and my care for another 2 months. Unfortunately he ended up getting another bout of calici which he didn't shake off with Virbagen Omega and he entered into acute kidney failure. He stopped eating and I was having to assist feed hoping it would make him eat again but it didn't - he just got stressed and was trying to hide. I knew in my heart he was giving up so I brought him out from hiding and did the whole talk with him again as I did before. This time he just lay on me purring as I talked to him and when I told him I'd help him if he needed me to he moved his paw up and gave me a gentle squeeze and it was as if he was saying yes I've had enough now and he was the most comfortable he'd been all week. I made the appointment and he was put to sleep that day.That last hour of having him content with his paw on my shoulder was priceless. Although it hurts so much anytime you have to lose your babies it was probably the only one true time that I didn't feel guilty about putting to sleep. I never pts unless I know it's the right thing to do but there is still usually some feeling of guilt and the what if's in me. This was certainly the right time and I was happy that everything had been done for him in the time I had him. Whereas if I'd put to sleep the 2 months prior to that it would have left me riddled with guilt because Bramble wasn't ready to go. I would not have believed the power of that communication had I not been through it with Bramble. Still hurts and I still cry as I write about it even now because I can still feel his little squeeze but I can honestly say I had never experienced communication with an animal like I did with Bramble - I got that because I opened my mind to it - now I'm converted - and it got me 2 more precious months with my angel
Re: Animal communication website
Here is a great website that an animal communicator created. Good information on letting go when it's time. http://www.katberard.com/com_faq.htm --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy I don't know if you were a member when I had Bramble so apologies if you heard this already and to those who have already heard this story as many of you have. I had never really attempted animal communication before either but decided to try following advice from people here when I hit a dilema with Bramble. I only had him 6 months in total from the sanctuary - he was FIV and already sick when I took him in. He had many problems including calicivirus, dental probs, skin probs, keratitis etc... I gave all 3 of my cats revolution for flea prevention - here in UK there was no warning on packaging against giving it to cats with diseases or underweight cats. Bramble went into quite nasty seizures for a couple of days after I put the revolution on him and at first I was assured it was FIV in his CNS and to put him to sleep. Something was telling me this was wrong and people here gave me info and experiences in relation to reactions from flea meds - so I held out and his seizures got less severe. There's no doubt he had CNS probs from FIV related illness but the revolution just massively exacerbated it and then he returned to his normal levels of seizure activity afterwards. He did well for another couple of months. During this time I was told by people here about communicating with animals and decided to try. I explained to Bramble how much I loved him and wanted to help him and that I'd miss him if he wasn't here. But I told him that I didn't want him to be in pain and if he had had enough and wanted to let go then it was ok for him to do that and I'd be here with him. I told him that he could leave his body and his spirit could stay here and that he could be here or come to me whenever he wanted. I also told him to let me know in some way if he felt he needed help and explained to him what would happen with euth anasia. Bramble got very restless and upset and walked away from me in a sulk and giving me definite unhappy signals. I took this to mean he wasn't ready and he calmed down when I acknowledged this and told him it was ok and I was happy to keep fighting with him. At this point I was so confused and prayed each night for a sign that I was doing the right thing. One night the face of my angel tidge (last FIV cat) appeared in a dream and a voice saying keep going. Bramble improved with good vet and my care for another 2 months. Unfortunately he ended up getting another bout of calici which he didn't shake off with Virbagen Omega and he entered into acute kidney failure. He stopped eating and I was having to assist feed hoping it would make him eat again but it didn't - he just got stressed and was trying to hide. I knew in my heart he was giving up so I brought him out from hiding and did the whole talk with him again as I did before. This time he just lay on me purring as I talked to him and when I told him I'd help him if he needed me to he moved his paw up and gave me a gentle squeeze and it was as if he was saying yes I've had enough now and he was the most comfortable he'd been all week. I made the appointment and he was put to sleep that day.That last hour of having him content with his paw on my shoulder was priceless. Although it hurts so much anytime you have to lose your babies it was probably the only one true time that I didn't feel guilty about putting to sleep. I never pts unless I know it's the right thing to do but there is still usually some feeling of guilt and the what if's in me. This was certainly the right time and I was happy that everything had been done for him in the time I had him. Whereas if I'd put to sleep the 2 months prior to that it would have left me riddled with guilt because Bramble wasn't ready to go. I would not have believed the power of that communication had I not been through it with Bramble. Still hurts and I still cry as I write about it even now because I can still feel his little squeeze but I can honestly say I had never experienced communication with an animal like I did with Bramble - I got that because I opened my mind to it - now I'm converted - and it got me 2 more precious months with my angel boy.. Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Should I spay Ginger?
Jenn- Glad to hear about Bones' successful surgery! Yea! Breathe easier now. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bones is home and doing GREAT! I really think they did a great job on her spay, she came home happy, and active, and more loving than before. They said they all loved her, she was so sweet to them while there. She has a pain patch that stays on for 3 days... but so far she is doing great, you would NEVER know anything had been done to her. I'm VERY happy with the results! Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html Saving one animal won't make a difference in the world, but it will make a world of difference for that one animal. ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please ask me for the mailing address you can send them to, to help feed Bazil! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/156 - Release Date: 11/2/2005 __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Animal Communication
Hideyo- Thank you for the wonderful information. Very neat about your sister. I do believe people can be psychic. Seen too many things that are otherwise unexplainable. Are your AC's in Texas? :) Wendy __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: good cat story/Terrie's response
Wow! What a wonderful story! I looked up some pictures of Ragamuffins on the web and they are beautiful cats!!! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How sweet and honorable of Boo-Boo! That's a Siamese for ya! Nah just kidding! I believe all cats when there is a need they are there for you. I have to tell you all this! I have a personal kitty that is a Blue PT Ragamuffin, his name is Boo-Boo too. It is my nickname for him even though his name real name Blue. He only knows Boo-Boo so when I call him Blue he knows he is in deep doodoo. He was part of my rescue effort of over 200 Ragamuffins here in WA. state from a Hoarder/Breeder situation. Everyone was sick and underweight. You name it these kitties had it all (illnesses) but I'm glad to say no one died which surprise the hell out of me. Believe it or not none tested positive for Felv/Fiv. I'm glad to say all I have left now are 3YAY!!! Everyone has been adopted but them. They are listed on my Petfinder for those that are interested. I stated if I can pull this rescue effort off, I can do anything! Guess what it's happening only 3 left! Will take a little break from rescue for a day or two. Get my thoughts together. Will still have one ear open to those needing rescued. Sorry to drag this on just wanted to talk about it briefly. Thanks for reading! In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:06:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I was a baby, my parents had a siamese cat named Boo-Boo. my parents were of of course worried about how we would interact. He would lay under my crib every night to watch over me and one night i actually got out of my crib and fell down the stairs to the basement. As the story goes Boo-Boo ran into my parents room after this had happened and dug his claws into my dads chest and gave one of those shreik siamese meows to awaken my parents. He then led them to the stairs in the basement where my parents had found me at the bottom of the stairs. If it wasn't for Boo- Boo i probably would have laid down there all night. Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Guard cat
I have a story for you guys. This morning I was up at 5:30 am supervising my nephew while he finished his math homework. My black cat, Pepper, jumped up on the bay window seat in the dining area and started pawing at the south window. I went over to her and wrapped my arms around her and started telling her how cute she was. I didn't bother to look out the window. Pepper usually does that on a lower window if she sees another cat, but this time, the window was up high. The next thing I know, my husband walked in and said Were you just outside? and I said no, why?. He said, Are you sure you weren't just outside? and I said no. He said that someone was sneaking past the bathroom window, which is frosted, towards the dining area windows. He thought it was me playing a trick on him, so he tapped on the window, and whoever it was, ran off. That's when he came to see if it was me. We live in a quiet neighborhood, but my neighbor down the street said that he's had to replace PVC pipe for his sprinkler system twice in the past week because someone was stepping on it and crushed it. The pipe is right in front of his daughter's window and when he repaired it the second time, he noticed that there was a crack in her blinds where someone could see in. So I guess we have a pervert hanging around, or living in, our neighborhood unfortunately. But I thought it was really cool that Pepper tried to tell me the way she did. Talk about animal communication! Cats are so awesome! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Guard cat
Yes, we called the police and they came out this morning and looked our place over, but there's not much they can do. My husband wanted to go out and catch the guy but I told him if the guy had a gun, that wouldn't be too smart. The police came out twice for my neighbor too, but said the same thing. I am going to notify all my neighbors this afternoon to be on the lookout. --- Wolf, Leah R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I do hope that you have notified the police. Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of wendy Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 10:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Guard cat I have a story for you guys. This morning I was up at 5:30 am supervising my nephew while he finished his math homework. My black cat, Pepper, jumped up on the bay window seat in the dining area and started pawing at the south window. I went over to her and wrapped my arms around her and started telling her how cute she was. I didn't bother to look out the window. Pepper usually does that on a lower window if she sees another cat, but this time, the window was up high. The next thing I know, my husband walked in and said Were you just outside? and I said no, why?. He said, Are you sure you weren't just outside? and I said no. He said that someone was sneaking past the bathroom window, which is frosted, towards the dining area windows. He thought it was me playing a trick on him, so he tapped on the window, and whoever it was, ran off. That's when he came to see if it was me. We live in a quiet neighborhood, but my neighbor down the street said that he's had to replace PVC pipe for his sprinkler system twice in the past week because someone was stepping on it and crushed it. The pipe is right in front of his daughter's window and when he repaired it the second time, he noticed that there was a crack in her blinds where someone could see in. So I guess we have a pervert hanging around, or living in, our neighborhood unfortunately. But I thought it was really cool that Pepper tried to tell me the way she did. Talk about animal communication! Cats are so awesome! __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Need help with Cricket's diet
Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's much. I have three other cats in the house and it's hard to tell who's doing what. He doesn't have any mouth sores, and he is dehydrated just a little bit. He's on prednisone still, and still making rbc's, but his body is killing them as it makes them. He's still anemic. We don't have the $300 to do a blood transfusion, and that's not really an option anyway, since he is making his own rbc's and the vet said the transfusion might make his body try to fight the rbc's more. He's still walking around a little, but weak due to lack of nutrients. He still purrs and sleeps with me at night and goes outside to enjoy the air and sun, so I know he's still enjoying life somewhat. But I don't know what to do to get him to eat. Any ideas? Also, we're going out of town tonight and I have to leave him for 48 hours. I am worried to death. My best friend is going to stop by Sunday morning and give him his Prednisone and some fresh tuna, and we'll be home later that evening. Any thoughts or advice out there? Thanks so much! Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Guard cat
Nina, Yes, I fussed over Pepper this morning after the police left, and I could swear by the look on her face that she was so proud of herself. She was probably saying, See momma, I told you there was someone out there but you weren't listening! lol. We have a puppy who is about 5 months old that my husband found on a road by his work. Ironically, we had taken him to my mother's last night because we're going out of town and she's going to take care of him. I think if he were there that he would have barked or growled. Makes me wonder if it was just bad timing, or if the prowler has been watching, you know? I am creeped out and glad we're going out of town so I won't worry about it. We have a security system, so I do feel safe at night. But my nephew gets home about an hour before I do, so I'm a little worried about him. I told him to reset the alarm as soon as he gets home and not to go outside. It's hard to believe we have so many weirdo's out there. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Need help with Cricket's diet
In Texas. --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where do you live, Wendy? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's much. I have three other cats in the house and it's hard to tell who's doing what. He doesn't have any mouth sores, and he is dehydrated just a little bit. He's on prednisone still, and still making rbc's, but his body is killing them as it makes them. He's still anemic. We don't have the $300 to do a blood transfusion, and that's not really an option anyway, since he is making his own rbc's and the vet said the transfusion might make his body try to fight the rbc's more. He's still walking around a little, but weak due to lack of nutrients. He still purrs and sleeps with me at night and goes outside to enjoy the air
RE: Need help with Cricket's diet
No, he's on Prednisolone and ImmunoRegulin. I hate to inject him with anything else. The vein in his right arm can't be used anymore, and I'm not sure how long they can use his left one to inject the ImmunoRegulin. He hates needles and fights horribly, even when his eyes are covered. Can Epogen be taken orally? --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, did you say you try Epogen on him? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's much. I have three other cats in the house and it's hard to tell who's doing what. He doesn't have any mouth sores, and he is dehydrated just a little bit. He's on prednisone still, and still making rbc's, but his body is killing them as it makes them. He's still anemic. We don't have the $300 to do a blood
Re: Need help with Cricket's diet
Nina, Do you think that if the Prednisone isn't working well for appetite stimulation, then the Cyproheptadine might still work? I called my vet and they are going to call me back. Cricket is apathetic about the food; I don't think his mouth is hurting. He seems to have a little trouble swallowing, but not a lot. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ask your vet about Cyproheptadine. It's a cream that you put on the inside of their ear to stimulate appetite. I don't use it when a cat acts like they are hungry, just somehow unable to eat. If Cricket isn't showing any interest in food a stimulant might get him started again. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Wendy, did you say you try Epogen on him? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested in much of anything except for a little water and tuna juice now and then and some tuna flakes-just a little. I am hoping he is eating at night while I am sleeping or gone to work during the day, but if he is, I don't think it's
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About how much should it cost? Thanks! Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 11/4/2005 10:33:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ask your vet about Cyproheptadine. Yes, it comes in cream or pill form. I have found it works wonders for the kitties that aren't eating. It's a cream that you put on the inside of their ear to stimulate appetite. I don't use it when a cat acts like they are hungry, just somehow unable to eat. If Cricket isn't showing any interest in food a stimulant might get him started again. Nina Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Need help with Cricket's diet
Dear Nina, Thank you for all the suggestions. I wrote them all down and will do my best before we leave to try some of them. I am very torn about leaving to go out of town and leaving Cricket. I keep hoping my husband will tell me he doesn't mind if I stay with Cricket, but I know he won't. He doesn't understand my love for my cats, although now that he has this puppy, I think it is helping. We have had this trip planned for a long time. It's a ministry opportunity that my husband really wanted us to take advantage of. I also promised to take my nephew to see the Texas State Aquarium while we are there. I keep telling myself that I am going to make myself enjoy this trip, but if I had my druthers, I'd just say I'm not going. But I don't want to let my husband down. And, he's already feeling a bit left out because I have been giving so much attention to Cricket lately. It's all I can do to take care of Cricket, not neglect my husband, take care of my nephew and stay on top of him regarding his homework, keep the house up, love my other kitties, make dinner, work 40 hours a week at my regular job, take classes two nights a week, and everything else in between. I honestly don't know how working moms (not to mention single working moms) do it. I really don't. I tried to find the liver shake recipe, but all I could come up with was this: 1 cup raw liver (beef or chicken) 1 raw egg yolk 1 tsp. kelp or spirulina 1/4 cup fresh filtered water 1 cup fresh carrot juice, V8, or tomato juice Is this the right recipe??? Also, what types of deli meat do you think would be most desired by a cat? Thanks again for listening and for your time and all the wonderful suggestions. We are trying to hang in there. :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up
Re: Need help with Cricket's diet
Dallas --- Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where in Texas are you? wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Nina, Do you think that if the Prednisone isn't working well for appetite stimulation, then the Cyproheptadine might still work? I called my vet and they are going to call me back. Cricket is apathetic about the food; I don't think his mouth is hurting. He seems to have a little trouble swallowing, but not a lot. :) Wendy --- Nina wrote: Ask your vet about Cyproheptadine. It's a cream that you put on the inside of their ear to stimulate appetite. I don't use it when a cat acts like they are hungry, just somehow unable to eat. If Cricket isn't showing any interest in food a stimulant might get him started again. Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Wendy, did you say you try Epogen on him? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need help with Cricket's diet Wendy, I'm very sorry to tell you this, but from what you describe, if you leave Cricket alone for 48 hours, there is a good chance that he won't be around when you get back, or he will deteriorate considerably, (in 48 hours, he may do that even with you home to assist-feed him). His condition sounds grave to me and since he's not eating on his own and his anemia is so advanced, he really needs to be monitored and cared for. If you can't find someone trustworthy to stay with him, I'd consider bringing him to a vet that will be able to monitor him 24/7. Just boarding him at a regular vet that closes up at night with no one in attendance won't be enough and will stress him out without giving you full benefit. As far as Cricket not eating... It's so frustrating and upsetting dealing with a kitty that will not eat, unfortunately, I doubt very much that he's eating when you're not looking and refusing the tasty tid bits you put down in front of him. Usually when a kitty doesn't want to eat, they will more readily lap at food. They start that awful thing they do with picking up pieces of food and then spitting them out, like they've forgotten how to chew. Oh, it's so terrible, I know it is. Have you tried the liver shake that has been posted on the list? My Gypsy will sometimes eat if I stay with her and encourage her with soft words and strokes. Try warming the goat milk and foods you're offering, sometimes the added aroma and feel of warmth on their tongue helps. Also, if Cricket turns his nose up and walks away, follow him and put the bowl down in front of him. I don't know why, but sometimes they seem to have to think about it and when they are immediately offered food again, they'll eat. For some reason they sometimes will prefer a bowl over a plate and visa versa, try switching what you are serving the food on. Offer the tiniest little bits of food, like a 1/4 of a teaspoon at a time, I think the sight and smell of a full bowl of food may be overwhelming for a kitty that doesn't feel good. I think sick kitties sometimes blame their discomfort on the food they are eating. That may be why they will suddenly refuse a favorite food, but might try something they've never eaten before, have you offered Cricket lunch meat in tiny little pieces? Also, assist-feeding will usually cause an aversion to whatever you are using, for example, if Cricket has always loved beef babyfood, he may not eat it after you've been forcing him to. Just something else to keep in mind. I'm sorry, my dear, I do know how hard this is. I certainly don't want to cause you any more upset than what you are already going through. I just wanted you to know that leaving him right now could have consequences that I wanted you to be aware of. If it can't be helped, it can't be helped. Everyone on this list is well acquainted with the what if syndrome. We end up beating ourselves up over things we had no way of controlling, we've gotten to be pretty good at avoiding anything that will later give us anymore guilt than what we end up suffering anyway. I'm thinking of you and feeling anguished for the two of you, please keep us informed. Nina wendy wrote: Hi guys, I am having a hard time getting Cricket to eat right now. He is drinking water some and some tuna juice, but it isn't much. I have been force feeding him baby meat foods the past couple of days. He isn't very happy about it, but otherwise, he is going to be too weak if he doesn't eat. I've tried tuna, salmon, goat's milk, yogurt, baby meat foods, and wet cat food-different varieties, and he doesn't seem interested
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Also, Cricket does like the 8in1 VitaKitty (something like that) vitamin supplement. He is eating a little bit of that at a time off my finger, but because it has vitamin E, it's probably like eating peanut butter to him. I wish I knew what flavor it was so I could try to replicate it in what I am serving him. I guess I could eat some myself... Any ideas here? --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I have seen Pred have a side effect of stimulating appetite. It might just be that they feel better and because of that want to eat more, but I've heard of it from others too. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Well, around here it isn't expensive.* *Preds normally don't stimulate the appetite.* In a message dated 11/4/2005 11:11:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: About how much should it cost? Thanks! Wendy ** * Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver **Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ _*Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!* http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue**_ _ http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/_ _TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ * __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Guard cat
Pepper will guard the house... ;) --- tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, You're going out of town, but what about Pepper? wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nina, Yes, I fussed over Pepper this morning after the police left, and I could swear by the look on her face that she was so proud of herself. She was probably saying, See momma, I told you there was someone out there but you weren't listening! lol. We have a puppy who is about 5 months old that my husband found on a road by his work. Ironically, we had taken him to my mother's last night because we're going out of town and she's going to take care of him. I think if he were there that he would have barked or growled. Makes me wonder if it was just bad timing, or if the prowler has been watching, you know? I am creeped out and glad we're going out of town so I won't worry about it. We have a security system, so I do feel safe at night. But my nephew gets home about an hour before I do, so I'm a little worried about him. I told him to reset the alarm as soon as he gets home and not to go outside. It's hard to believe we have so many weirdo's out there. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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FYI: I just looked up the sex offender database for Texas (http://records.txdps.state.tx.us/) to see if there was anyone living in our neighborhood. I didn't think there would be because one of my good friends sent the link to me in an email and I checked in late September. But I just checked again just in case and there is a new guy there who raped a 9 year old girl in 1989 and got a 10 year sentence and was paroled out. He was also convicted of attempted murder at the same time. Doesn't look good. I am not one to judge someone, especially someone I don't know, and I don't know the details of this case, because sometimes people do get accused and the accusation is suspicious to begin with. And everything I've read tells me that sex offenders statistically are not successful at rehabilitation. But this gives me the heebie jeebies. I feel I have the responsibility to let my neighbors know, but feel some guilt because I don't even know the guy and he did serve his time. Everyone should have a second chance if they screw up and honestly repent. I don't know if this is the case though. So I guess I am looking at notifing my neighbors asap about this guy. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Need help with Cricket's diet
Hey Nina, Yes, my mom LOVES cats. She's feeding a group of ferals as we speak. I think I will call her and ask if she can come by on Saturday anyway to sit with Cricket. I bet she will if I'm very nice. I just hate to ask for help. I don't want to take Cricket over there because he is happy at home and I don't want to stress him out anymore. But maybe she'll come over. Caviar...lol I will try the Rotisserie chicken. I tried to give him a little part of a turkey leg the other day but he only sniffed at it. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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I tried to smell it this morning but it didn't smell much like anything to me. Where do you get your Nutrical. This Kittyvite is all they had at Petsmart, but maybe I missed it. --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are products to give to kitties that aren't eating, Nutrical is one of them. They have vitamins and corn syrup, (for energy). Some kitties like the taste and will eat it off your finger, or a plate. Ask at your local Petsmart for things that might help. I don't know what flavor they use in 8in1, what does it smell like? N wendy wrote: Also, Cricket does like the 8in1 VitaKitty (something like that) vitamin supplement. He is eating a little bit of that at a time off my finger, but because it has vitamin E, it's probably like eating peanut butter to him. I wish I knew what flavor it was so I could try to replicate it in what I am serving him. I guess I could eat some myself... Any ideas here? __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
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Tamara, I try to protect all my loved ones from burglars. We have a security system. It contacts my best friend and family if we don't get the alarm call first. Plus, we have ten cats inside and out, so it would be too much trouble to take all of them anywhere. Thank you for your concern. The best any of us can do is pray that our homes and animals stay safe while we are away. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Update on Cricket 11-07-05
Hi Guys, I hope your weekend was a relaxing one. I did manage to relax in Corpus Christi some, which I needed. My mom, aunt, and cousin went by the house on Saturday and gave Cricket his Prednisolone and Cyproheptadine and loved on him quite a bit. My best friend came by Sunday and gave him his Prednisolone. I got home last night and gave him his meds and he drank quite a bit of tuna juice. I force fed him baby food this morning. I could kick myself because I told the vet to call in a prescrip in liquid form, because Cricket takes liquid better than pills, but the stuff smells and tastes horrible and he gags on it (did you know you could fill a prescrip for an animal at Walmart?!!!-I thought pharmacies were for people medicine only). The vet didn't have time to get the cream for his ear compounded before I left for the weekend, so I'm working on getting that today. When I got home, Cricket was very weak. He probably didn't eat or drink much while I was gone, but I think if I can get his strength back up with good food and water, he will be fine. One wonderful thing: I noticed as I was giving him his meds he has some pink back in his gums, so his body must have stopped or slowed killing the red blood cells! Hallelujah! If we can just get him over this hump, I think he might get that virus back into remission. He seems to be hanging in there and fighting. A million thanks and blessings again to all of you who help, encourage, and listen to everyone here on this webtalk page. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
To Ken and Max
Hi Ken, My name is Wendy. Welcome to the group and I hope it is as wonderful a source for you as it has been for me. You and I have very similar situations right now. My kitty Cricket has been hanging in there for the past three weeks. To be honest, I haven't seen a marked improvement in Cricket since he has been on ImmunoRegulin, and I think he got depressed when I went out of town this weekend and didn't eat or drink much, so I'm just trying to get his strength back up. Cricket is on Prednisolone. I am also trying to give him Cyproheptadine for appetite stimulation, but he doesn't like the taste of it at all and gags on it. Like you, I struggled with the idea of a transfusion, but the cost is just too much. Shoot, if I knew how to do it myself, I would. I have enough cats to choose from as donors. lol. I want to encourage you to continue hoping and praying for Max's recovery. Our little furballs gain strength from us, so don't give up. I will keep Max in my prayers. Keep us posted on his health. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Need all your prayers - please!!
Hi Hideyo, I am sorry to hear about your city ordinance troubles. I agree with Kerry that having someone else there as an advocate for the care you are providing is a smart idea. Also, be prepared to disprove with proof the very reasons they are having you in for a hearing in the first place (ie. unsanitary conditions, neighborhood disturbance, whatever their reasons may be). Be well prepared, even overly prepared. This is the very reason I hope to one day have some land out in the country. The city government won't be able to tell me what to do with my life or my furballs. I will also say prayers for Ginger to begin eating better again. I am sorry for your troubles and I hope that things start looking up again. In the meantime, don't let them get you down. Keep going strong. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
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I wouldn't think they could take them away from you; rather, that they give you ample time to place them in other homes. But if it was me, and I hope I don't offend anyone by saying this, if they told me I had to get rid of some of my animals, I would say ok, and take them to my moms until they came back to check, and then like a teenager, I would bring them right back home. I've always been a little rebellious like that. --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, I have a letter from my ex-vet who used to care for all my cats for the past 10 years and she is actually overseeing now the vet section at the animal control division, which I hope to build creditability as the letter says how responsible and caring I am for all my animals. Different officers came to inspect my place a few times and they were all very impressed with the set up (I spent $45,000 a couple of years ago and built facility for my cats in addition to my main house - windows everywhere, sky lights, outside enclosures.. etc.. and happy how well all my animals are taken care of.. but yes I will prepare for any possible ways for them to complain. I am also going to ask someone I know through rescuing.. she is with Animal protection service of my state and she has a lot of credibility with animal control.. so.. we will see.. I am still very nervous because they CAN take them away from me.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 11:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need all your prayers - please!! Hi Hideyo, I am sorry to hear about your city ordinance troubles. I agree with Kerry that having someone else there as an advocate for the care you are providing is a smart idea. Also, be prepared to disprove with proof the very reasons they are having you in for a hearing in the first place (ie. unsanitary conditions, neighborhood disturbance, whatever their reasons may be). Be well prepared, even overly prepared. This is the very reason I hope to one day have some land out in the country. The city government won't be able to tell me what to do with my life or my furballs. I will also say prayers for Ginger to begin eating better again. I am sorry for your troubles and I hope that things start looking up again. In the meantime, don't let them get you down. Keep going strong. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: To Ken and Max
Ken, I know EXACTLY how you feel about not wanting to be at work. All you can do is think and worry about your kitty. I know it's hard. Just hang in there. I thought the same thing about Cricket, that he wouldn't survive long. Part of it was because I had filled my head with so much information, I talked myself into believing that Cricket was a goner in just a few days, but he has been hanging in there for 3 weeks now. Nina said it the best. She said that you do all you can do, and the rest is up to kitty and the powers that be. Once I read that, I let some of the pressure off myself and stopped worrying so much. I can't control things. What's going to happen is going to happen, but I will do everything I can to help Cricket survive. I am little more at peace now that I went through the depression and what I would consider grieving these past few weeks. It was very hard at first though. So just hang in there. :) Wendy P.S. Cricket loves going outside too. I am hoping he is strong enough to go outside this afternoon when I get home. I think it helps with his depression. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
RE: Need all your prayers - please!!
I have never heard of anyone I know personally dealing with what you are dealing with, so I don't know for sure, but if I had to guess, I would think they would give you like 30 days to find homes for however many over the number they allow you. Then, at the end of 30 days, they will probably schedule an appointment to come by to do a head count. After that, I bet they don't bother you much and you can bring any kitties back that kind people have taken in for you for a short time so that you can pass the head count. I hope you have family or good friends nearby that will help you if it comes to that. Plus, in the future, you don't have to answer the door to anyone from animal control if you think they are coming to do a head count again. I doubt they will hassle you though. I wouldn't worry about all this just yet though Hideyo, because you will worry yourself sick. And if they end up allowing you to have your cats, then you will have worried for no reason. How in the world did this all happen in the first place? Did someone complain about your cats? __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: To Ken and Max
Ken, Before I knew something was wrong with Cricket, he cried when I picked him up as well. That's when I started noticing something was wrong. Make sure that the vet tells you whether or not Max has a responsive anemia or non-responsive anemia, because that is what tells you what is wrong with Max and the course of treatment. In Cricket's case, he has a good prognosis of responsive anemia because his rbc count was at 7.3%, but he had a reticulocyte count of 8% or so, which means his body is making new rbc's but he is having an auto-immune response where his body is killing the new rbc's. It doesn't sound good, but when compared to non-responsive anemia, where an animal isn't making any new rbc's, it is. We just have to try to get Cricket's immune system to stop killing the new rbc's. That is why you need to have a good blood count. Before you make the decision to transfuse, you need to know about the type of anemia. Max probably needs to be on some sort of steroid or cortosteroid (might be the same thing, not sure; I've heard my vet say both things at different times). Cricket is on Prednisolone. I think a lot of kitties that are anemic are. Seems to be standard treatment from what I've read. Prayer helps too. And a lot of love and tender care. Max will benefit from that a lot no matter what. Hope this helps. :) Wendy __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: Need all your prayers - please!!
Man, I feel for you Hideyo. Some people just don't have a life and they get into everyone else's business and cause problems because they don't. I hate that. --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone anonymously reported me that I have many cats - not any type of complains regarding that.. as my cats are all indoors, they don't bother my neighbors or anything.. it's almost like personal thing against me and nothing to do with my animals and that's how I started. And actually, I was already given a permit from the city last year - so when the city contacted me, I told them that I already have a permit - then, they couldn't find the paper work and the officer who gave me a permit no longer is the officer and they told me that he did not follow the correct process (not following the correct ordinance as to exactly how many cats I have) so I have to re-do this all over again. I do have a place that I can take my cats temporarily - I just have to do a lot of transporting.. but I am prepared to do so anyway. It just does not make sense to me logically.. my cats and I are not bothering anyone... and cats are treated well.. so why do they care??? If you know what I mean.. we don't remove children from a family just because they have too many children.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Need all your prayers - please!! I have never heard of anyone I know personally dealing with what you are dealing with, so I don't know for sure, but if I had to guess, I would think they would give you like 30 days to find homes for however many over the number they allow you. Then, at the end of 30 days, they will probably schedule an appointment to come by to do a head count. After that, I bet they don't bother you much and you can bring any kitties back that kind people have taken in for you for a short time so that you can pass the head count. I hope you have family or good friends nearby that will help you if it comes to that. Plus, in the future, you don't have to answer the door to anyone from animal control if you think they are coming to do a head count again. I doubt they will hassle you though. I wouldn't worry about all this just yet though Hideyo, because you will worry yourself sick. And if they end up allowing you to have your cats, then you will have worried for no reason. How in the world did this all happen in the first place? Did someone complain about your cats? __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: To Ken and Max
Ken, Did they do a bone marrow biopsy on Max? I thought that was the only way to know whether it was in the bone marrow. Does anyone know if this is right? :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hi I know imom through the other board I am on (feline diabetes)and even some of the people who run it and in better times, I have given them money. I don't feel i could consider it as they supply money monthly to help people take care of diabetic cats. Right now they are struggling and since it is already in the marrow and his time is already limited, and he may not survive a transfusion, I wouldn't think it's fair. Thanks for the tips __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: To Ken and Max
$1000 is crazy! My vet said it would cost us $250-$300 in Dallas. I guess the cost of living plays in here? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - - I live in New Jersey. Oradell Animal hospital wanted a grand minimum __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Your Max
Ken- I am so sorry about Max. It's wonderful how our furballs touch us so deeply with their wordless ways and love. And so heartbreaking when we lose them. I hope your heart heals enough to love another kitty who will need you one day like you loved Max. I also wish for you financial freedom, so that you don't have to struggle to care for your furballs and your family. I know how hard that is. Thank you for sharing with us Max's personality and your personal thoughts and feelings about Max-I know all of us felt strong emotions reading your post, as we will all be in the same situation one day. We wish you the best and please come back to visit from time to time. Sending prayers your way- Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Cricket's Time
Hi Guys, Well I am sorry to report that today is Cricket's last day. He has deteriorated quite a bit and is no longer eating, drinking, taking food via force feeding, and he is barely able to walk. So I realized today that it is time. I am trying not to get emotional right now because I have to get through the day at work. But I do need to ask if anyone has any advice regarding taking a kitty to be pts. Cricket hates needles and will not be happy about it. I know someone mentioned Rescue Remedy, but I couldn't find it at Walmart or Petsmart. I can look at the CVS across the street from my job. Other than Rescue Remedy, is there anything else I can do to make him as comfortable as possible before going or during his visit? Thanks. Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Cricket and a feeding tube
Hey guys, Per Belinda's information and the website she sent me, I am going to have a feeding tube inserted into Cricket. From the information I read and from the vet, the procedure/tube is not very invasive or bothersome to the cat and it might actually save Cricket; I'm leaving work early to take him. I am having a hard time giving up on him. I hope he makes it through the anesthesia; if he doesn't, he was going to be pts anyway, so we have nothing to lose. Please wish him luck and thank you all for your warm thoughts and encouragement. Thank you Belinda for the information. I really appreciate you sticking your neck out there and offering advice that some might not have welcomed. You are right; Cricket hasn't been getting enough sustenance and I didn't know feeding tubes existed for cats. So I will keep on trying to turn him around as long as he will respond. He is not jaundiced yet, so if he has developed fatty liver disease, we might be able to turn him around. Thank you Belinda. Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Cricket
Hi Everyone, I just wanted to let you know that Cricket passed away last night about 2:42 am Texas time. I am pretty torn up right now. I feel like such a dork because I carried his collar to work with me today. He had the feeding tube procedure done, but was just so anemic, that after the procedure, he couldn't get his breath. For most of the night, I thought he was just having a hard time coming out of the sedation (gas) because he never really did and was having problems breathing, but the vet said his trachea probably got irritated from the procedure, and that he should be fine later. He slept right next to me last night and about 2:20 he woke me up trying to cry, and I picked him up and took him to the living room because I knew something wasn't right. He died about 20 minutes later. I have asked God countless times to let me be there when Cricket passed so that he wouldn't be as scared or lonely (like he would be if I was at work and died). God honored that request, thankfully, but it was still very hard. My husband, nephew, and I will have a little ceremony this afternoon for him. I am glad that he is not in pain or weak or suffering and I know that I did just about everything humanly and financially possible, but it doesn't help. At least not right now. I am going to write him a little tribute to bury with him. He was such a wonderful companion. I will send a pic out of him later when I get home. Thank all of you SO much for helping me and Cricket through these last three and a half weeks. Your kindness is immeasurable, and I plan to stick around and help out anyone else I can even though I don't have anymore FeLV (that I know of-I need to have my other two retested). God Bless each and every one of you. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Was - Cricket and a feeding tube my Buddies feeding tube :: For Wendy [long]
Hi Belinda, I loved your story about Buddie and her coming to love her feeding tube. How sweet! I wish I had had that opportunity, but I cannot discount all the others the good Lord gave me with Cricket. He was my baby. I am so sorry you lost Buddie. Like you, I asked Cricket before he left if he could come back and let me know he's ok, so I will wait for a sign. My husband was wonderful last night. He was very tender and understanding with me, and even though he has to get up at 4:30 am, he was going to sit with me until I stopped crying. I finally asked him to give me some alone time with Cricket because I knew he needed his rest. So I guess in sorrow and pain, there are always blessings if we look for them. This experience has ended up bonding my husband and me a little more. And my nephew with us as well. Thanks again Belinda, Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Cricket
Thank you Joan. It means a lot to me. --- Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I have been following Cricket's story and I am so saddened that he did not make it. I know that you did the best for him and that he knew that as well. Please accept my sympathy for your loss. Joan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Cricket Hi Everyone, I just wanted to let you know that Cricket passed away last night about 2:42 am Texas time. I am pretty torn up right now. I feel like such a dork because I carried his collar to work with me today. He had the feeding tube procedure done, but was just so anemic, that after the procedure, he couldn't get his breath. For most of the night, I thought he was just having a hard time coming out of the sedation (gas) because he never really did and was having problems breathing, but the vet said his trachea probably got irritated from the procedure, and that he should be fine later. He slept right next to me last night and about 2:20 he woke me up trying to cry, and I picked him up and took him to the living room because I knew something wasn't right. He died about 20 minutes later. I have asked God countless times to let me be there when Cricket passed so that he wouldn't be as scared or lonely (like he would be if I was at work and died). God honored that request, thankfully, but it was still very hard. My husband, nephew, and I will have a little ceremony this afternoon for him. I am glad that he is not in pain or weak or suffering and I know that I did just about everything humanly and financially possible, but it doesn't help. At least not right now. I am going to write him a little tribute to bury with him. He was such a wonderful companion. I will send a pic out of him later when I get home. Thank all of you SO much for helping me and Cricket through these last three and a half weeks. Your kindness is immeasurable, and I plan to stick around and help out anyone else I can even though I don't have anymore FeLV (that I know of-I need to have my other two retested). God Bless each and every one of you. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Cricket
Thanks Michelle. I am glad that Cricket went fairly quickly too. I really don't think I could have dealt with him suffering for much longer. The twenty minutes was torture enough. I kept begging God to let him go, and begging Cricket to let go. I am 35 years old and this has truly been one of the hardest things I have ever had to do, and my life has not been an easy one. My mom just lost her boyfriend of 11 years to cancer in May and she went through a hundred times more than I did with Cricket, but a lot of the same type things: trying to get him to eat, giving him meds, the hoping, taking him to all the doc visits, praying, etc. I don't know how people do it, and I have a newfound respect for those in hospice care and for those who care so compassionately for their loved ones who are terminal. I was with my grandmother when she died, and I guess I was hoping Cricket would go as peacefully, but it wasn't so peaceful. And I think if it was, I might be handling this a little better. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh my God, Wendy, I am so incredibly sorry. It sounds like the passing was relatively easy as passings go, and maybe that was due to the sedation. But it is so horrible that Cricket had to pass at all. I do not think it is strange you brought his collar to work at all. You did everything you possibly could for him-- you really did every possible thing that could have possibly helped him. He did so well for a while that I thought he might be the one who would finally make it after such severe anemia, that we might learn it is possible after all. It is such a heartbreak that it lasted only a few weeks. Maybe it is true that when they get to a certain point, absent the rare case of fixable auto-immune reaction or hemobartonella, that they can not really rebound from it for more than a few weeks. It is horrible and frightening. I am so sorry. But having seen all different kinds of passings, I am grateful for you and Cricket that he passed as he did, quietly and on his own and with you and at home. Michelle __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: Cricket
Thank you Kat. We could use the prayers-they are much appreciated. --- Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Wendy, I am so sorry that Cricket has left you. You and your family are in my thoughts and prayers. Kat (Mew Jersey) __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Cricket
Thank you Sharon. I am sorry to hear about your loss. What was your kitty's name? --- Sharon Siders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I don't post much anymore, since I lost my last FeLV kitty two years ago. I still care deeply about all of you and your kitties though. Please know that my heart goes out to you for we can all relate to what you are feeling. Sharon wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, I just wanted to let you know that Cricket passed away last night about 2:42 am Texas time. I am pretty torn up right now. I feel like such a dork because I carried his collar to work with me today. He had the feeding tube procedure done, but was just so anemic, that after the procedure, he couldn't get his breath. For most of the night, I thought he was just having a hard time coming out of the sedation (gas) because he never really did and was having problems breathing, but the vet said his trachea probably got irritated from the procedure, and that he should be fine later. He slept right next to me last night and about 2:20 he woke me up trying to cry, and I picked him up and took him to the living room because I knew something wasn't right. He died about 20 minutes later. I have asked God countless times to let me be there when Cricket passed so that he wouldn't be as scared or lonely (like he would be if I was at work and died). God honored that request, thankfully, but it was still very hard. My husband, nephew, and I will have a little ceremony this afternoon for him. I am glad that he is not in pain or weak or suffering and I know that I did just about everything humanly and financially possible, but it doesn't help. At least not right now. I am going to write him a little tribute to bury with him. He was such a wonderful companion. I will send a pic out of him later when I get home. Thank all of you SO much for helping me and Cricket through these last three and a half weeks. Your kindness is immeasurable, and I plan to stick around and help out anyone else I can even though I don't have anymore FeLV (that I know of-I need to have my other two retested). God Bless each and every one of you. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Cricket
Michelle, You are truly an angel. I couldn't do this over and over. I just couldn't. All of us have special reasons why we are here, and caring for these FeLV kitties is definitely one of yours. I know what you mean about the day to day struggle and trying to figure out courses of treatment, getting desperate, and trying to figure out if the vet is on the money or if there might be a better way. You hit the nail right on the head. Maybe if I wasn't so attached to Cricket, it might have been a little easier. We have 11 cats, 3 are my nephews, 2 strays, 3 are my dad's (mine now), and 3 are mine. My 3 live indoors, including Cricket, and Cricket and I had our little routine every day. He would get in the shower with me in the mornings, and I would turn on the bathroom faucet for him to drink. When I was home, he was always in whatever room of the house that I was in, keeping a watchful eye on me. Like Belinda's cat Buddie, he wasn't overy affectionate, but did seek me out when he wanted to be petted. He loved tuna fish and if I asked if he wanted to go outside, he would run to the door, as he loved basking in the sun. I don't have that type of relationship with the outside kitties and I know it would be hard to let them go, but not as hard. I feel as if I've lost a part of my day, you know? Part of me in a way. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Cricket
Belinda, I bet Buddie knew that it bothered you that you weren't there when she passed and she made sure to come back and let you know that she is ok with that and for you not to feel badly about it. What a sweet and thoughtful kitty. :) Wendy --- Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I'm so sorry Cricket choose to go home, sometimes they know their bodies just aren't strong enough and make that choice. He will give you a sign, I'm sure of it. Taking his collar to work is not even a little bit silly, it is a way to comfort yourself and still have a little piece of him with you, I understand that completely. I still have Buddies tube (the first one that was removed) and a lot of the other things I needed to use while she was sick. I have had all of my recent passed furkids cremated and have all of them on a shelf in the livingroom next to my grandfathers clock. They are each in their own special wood cases and each has a photo of them on the front. I know it isn't really them but it makes me feel better to have something I can look at and touch when I want to. Cricket will let you know whether in a dream, or a smell or something you see or feel, that he is OK. He is whole and healthy again. I'm glad you were with him that is the only thing that bothers me about Buddie, I wasn't there with her ... -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Cricket
Yes Michelle, I agree that it's hard to take when they are so young. It's probably difficult too when they have been a lifelong companion for many years. I guess it's hard all the way around. It sounds as if you have some wonderful acreage (in UK?) due to all your animals and horses and I am envious. It's my dream one day to have at least 5-10 acres with a barn and lots of animals to love. I am glad to know you; you seem to be a very caring and thoughtful person and your furballs are lucky to have you as well. I am lucky to know all the cat lovers here. Yesterday, I overheard some of the kids here at the school I work at talking about how boring cats were and that they aren't good pets to have. I told them that anyone who doesn't like cats has never been loved by one. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: My Beautiful Mandy
Julie, How are you doing? :) Wendy --- Julie Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Friends, Mandy is gone. She was not doing well Tuesday night (bleeding from the mouth and unable to eat) and I made the decision to end her suffering. I called my husband and he left work right away to come home. We held her and stroked her and ultimately she began to purr. She never cared to be held; she liked to pick the spot and sit ON you, but she did curl up in her blanket and let us hold her. We were with her and holding her and talking softly to her and she had one paw curled over my finger when she left us. It's been so empty the last two nights without my little reading partner; she always liked to sit on the bed with her upper body across my arm and her paws on my shoulder while I read at night. Since she became sick, she wanted to be with me all the time and she'd been reading with me every night for weeks. I keep thinking back to our trip to the oncologist; only last week and it seems forever ago. Even though the news for Mandy was not good, we had a lovely day and I am so grateful for it. She and Wink snoozed the whole way home. They were all curled up together on their faux mink and listening to their special pet music. I kept turning back to look at them and it was so peaceful and loving. We stopped where I work to feed my feral colony and I took the carrier out of the car and set it on the ground while I fed; Mandy trotted right to the front and began to meow to Depot Charlie! She was such a little talker and he looked so puzzled! I'm happy they were able to meet. Thank you all for being here and for your good thoughts and wishes; I'd be completely lost without you during this year of terrible losses. I have to try and concentrate on how fortunate we were to have shared her short life. I miss her; we had our morning routine of putting the ingredients in the food processor and she'd talk to me once the whirr of the blade sounded. These last two mornings have been empty, as well. You are the only ones who understand the huge hole in our home despite the joy of our other cats. Love, Julie I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) Paws Come WITH Claws!!! If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Cricket
Thank you Kerry for the warm thoughts and compassion. I feel so much better after reading everyone's posts to Cricket and me. I am compiling a little journal of all the posts that have gone on regarding Cricket and I am going to bind it and keep it so that I can remember his good fight and everyone here who helped. It will be a treasure of mine. Thanks to all of you. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Cricket
Terrie, I went to Taz's memorial page. What a beautiful kitty!!! His memorial brought me to tears and I am so sorry for your loss. Thank you for your beautiful words. I am thankful to God for them and for all the people who take time from their busy lives to encourage others who are going through the heartbreak of losing a furball. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Cricket
Woods, too?!!! I am really envious now! ;) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I am in the US. We have 5 acres, mostly woods. The horses, Shire and Pepsi, never lived on our property. I grew up with them living at a barn a few miles away. Michelle In a message dated 11/10/2005 12:20:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes Michelle, I agree that it's hard to take when they are so young. It's probably difficult too when they have been a lifelong companion for many years. I guess it's hard all the way around. It sounds as if you have some wonderful acreage (in UK?) due to all your animals and horses and I am envious. It's my dream one day to have at least 5-10 acres with a barn and lots of animals to love. I am glad to know you; you seem to be a very caring and thoughtful person and your furballs are lucky to have you as well. I am lucky to know all the cat lovers here. Yesterday, I overheard some of the kids here at the school I work at talking about how boring cats were and that they aren't good pets to have. I told them that anyone who doesn't like cats has never been loved by one. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Cricket
Nina, I will definitely let you guys know when I hear from Cricket. (That sounds a little crazy reading that-lol). I love the idea of putting Trouble's collar on your new arrivals and asking him to look over them. I will remember that. And thank you for your kinds words. They are soothing. Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
To Sandy
Sandy, How are your furballs doing? :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Cricket
Thank you Terry. :) Wendy --- Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry he didn't make it. Big hugs to you and yours. Goodnight, sweet Cricket... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: wendymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:58 AM Subject: Cricket Hi Everyone, I just wanted to let you know that Cricket passed away last night about 2:42 am Texas time. I am pretty torn up right now. I feel like such a dork because I carried his collar to work with me today. He had the feeding tube procedure done, but was just so anemic, that after the procedure, he couldn't get his breath. For most of the night, I thought he was just having a hard time coming out of the sedation (gas) because he never really did and was having problems breathing, but the vet said his trachea probably got irritated from the procedure, and that he should be fine later. He slept right next to me last night and about 2:20 he woke me up trying to cry, and I picked him up and took him to the living room because I knew something wasn't right. He died about 20 minutes later. I have asked God countless times to let me be there when Cricket passed so that he wouldn't be as scared or lonely (like he would be if I was at work and died). God honored that request, thankfully, but it was still very hard. My husband, nephew, and I will have a little ceremony this afternoon for him. I am glad that he is not in pain or weak or suffering and I know that I did just about everything humanly and financially possible, but it doesn't help. At least not right now. I am going to write him a little tribute to bury with him. He was such a wonderful companion. I will send a pic out of him later when I get home. Thank all of you SO much for helping me and Cricket through these last three and a half weeks. Your kindness is immeasurable, and I plan to stick around and help out anyone else I can even though I don't have anymore FeLV (that I know of-I need to have my other two retested). God Bless each and every one of you. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.comhttp://mail.yahoo.com/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Annie is gone
Tad, I am so sorry to hear that your Annie passed on. I hope you have some comfort in knowing that if you hadn't taken her in, her life might not have been much living in that cage. I know she was happy that you did. I was very surprised that she passed as peacefully as she did. What a blessing for you both. I so wish Cricket would have passed that smoothly. I am haunted by his death, but I try to reassure myself that that's the way it had to be. For some reason, God must have wanted it that way, because of the timing and everything else. I also smiled when you wrote about your feral cat. It feels good to win the trust of an animal. I hope that you will take the good out of what happened with Annie, although it's so hard to let them go. You must be an angel to take in these FeLV kitties. And a very strong person to watch them go. God bless you Tad. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: To Sandy
Hey Sandy, Glad to hear that Cotton's diarrhea has cleared up. Sounds like he's doing well, thank goodness. I use Miticide (I think that's the name of it) on my kitties' ears if they get mites. You can get it at Walmart. It's really gooey and smothers the mites. I don't know if the mites will go away on their own or not. I am always very serious when I name my animals. I think that names are important. I watched Cricket as he was a kitten for several weeks before he got his name. He jumped on everything, and it dawned on me one day that he looked like a Cricket. He was black like your Cricket and had a beautiful, shiny medium length coat with a fluffy tail. His fur was so soft. I will miss petting him. He had gold eyes too, and around his pupils, he had a really lime green color. I've never seen a cat with eyes that green color before. It kind of was the color on the Christmas Cricket picture. Thank you for your condolences on Cricket. We buried him last night and it was a nice little service. I read a little thing I had written. We buried him with a copy of it and with his feather toy and with a little thing my nephew wrote on. We put a little marker on his grave. I wish I could remember where I've seen those kits where you can make stuff out of some type of clay. I'd like to make him a little headstone. I enjoyed reading about your baby Cricket. Maybe since you are in Houston, and I got my Cricket in Houston, Cricket and Cricket have the same father. You never know. I didn't know who the dad was; just the mom. These poor kitties. All of them fatherless. lol. Good luck with the new vet. If you talked with them on the phone and got a good feeling for them, you probably aren't far off the mark. Let us know how the visit goes. :) Wendy __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: Wendy and Tad
Thank you Sheila. The prayers have definitely helped. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry you had to lose your babies. You will be in my prayers. Sheila in SC __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Posting pictures
Thanks Steph! Will do-what a neat concept! Let me know what the link is. :) Wendy --- Steph E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wendy wrote: Have any of you ever tried to post a picture of your furball here? I sent a post with three pics of Cricket, but got a message saying that the message is too big, and the moderator is going to look at it and either post it or delete it. If it gets deleted, how else can I show Cricket's photo? I don't have a website. Send it privately to me @ biothanetack (at) bellsouth (dot) net and I'll stick it up on my kitties album for you. Steph __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Pics of Cricket
Steph, Thanks so much! Very cool! I just wanted to tell everyone that Cricket was a very mischevious kitty sometimes, especially at Christmas time. I haven't been able to keep a tree intact for the past four years. lol. In the photo where Cricket is watching TV, he was watching that intro. cartoon about the squirrel before the Ice Age movie. He really liked it. FYI: I bought a kitty entertainment video several years back. I think I might have gotten it at Petsmart. My kitties LOVE that video. It basically shows birds and squirrels in their natural habitat. It would be a good stocking stuffer/Christmas gift for your kitties this year. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Pictures of Cricket on Web!
Yes, he was always healthy except for that one week two years ago when he got that infection. Other than that, he's had a smooth ride for a kitty with FeLV, expect for the past three and a half weeks. It's hard to get used to seeing someone so healthy get sick like that. I am just glad that he's not sick anymore, although I so wished he had beat this. What a heartbreaking disease. If it were a person, I would kick it's blankity-blank-blank. lol. I am so glad I have these pictures of Cricket and I want to encourage anyone out there to take some of your own furballs if you don't have any before it's too late. A fun and/or relaxing weekend to all out there. :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, he was so cute-- and mischievous like my Simon! What a heartbreak that he is gone. He looks so healthy and happy in the pictures. Michelle __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: Hideyo in tears
Hideyo, I am sending you and Garfunkel strength and comfort. Good for you for staying with him while he goes through this, and I am hoping for a miracle for him to survive. But if he passes, I hope it is a peaceful one, and I've asked Cricket to be waiting for him at the other end of the Rainbow Bridge. I bet Ruby-E will be fine; prays for her as well. Hugs to you and Garfunkel. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: To Wendy Markers for Cricket
Thanks Belinda for the information on markers. I will look into it. Thanks also for Cricket's compliments. I am sure he is beaming even in the afterlife at all the wonderful things said about him. He certainly was mischevious; he's probably sharpening his claws on the wood of the Rainbow Bridge as we speak! LOL. --- Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I have a friend that makes these types of things, in fact I am just putting her website together, she rescues cats and some of the money will go towards that, she just bought this business and is branching out into Pet Stones. Here is the address if you care to look: Creative Designs Unlimited http://CreativeDesignsUnltd.com I saw Crickets pictures and he is very beautiful, you can see just from his picture he had personality!! -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Cotton's visit to new vet
Hi Sandy, It's great to hear that your Cotton found a vet that is sane and sounds like intelligent enough to care for him! Thank goodness!!! I wish I knew of a cat's only vet that was good in my neck of the woods. I hope that the Interferon works. I never put Cricket on it; I wonder sometimes if it would have helped the anemia or not. Keep us posted on the course of treatment they decide on for Cotton, other than Interferon. And let us know what you think about the effectiveness of the Interferon after Cotton has been on it awhile. :) Wendy --- Dudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michelle: I live north of Houston, TX. The vet clinic where I took Cotton is called Just Cats. Sandy - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Cotton visit to new vet Where are you located? Michelle __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: CLS Service for Monday 11/14/2005
Wow, what a heart squeezing website. I was surprised to see Cricket's name there. Thank you Belinda. You truly have a soul of compassion. Thank you for all you do to acknowledge these kitties lives. :) Wendy --- Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, It's been a hard and sad week for us, my sympathies to those who have lost a furchild, they are with you always in your heart. Prayers that all the furkids now feeling well recover completely and are around for a long, long time!! Take care all ... FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Cricket
Hi Tonya, No, of course you didn't offend either of us. Thanks for caring enough in the first place! I appreciate your kind words and so does Cricket. :) Wendy --- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wendy, I'm so terribly sorry. You certainly did all you could for little Cricket. I love that name by the way. She is at peace now and will always be with you in spirit. tonya wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, I just wanted to let you know that Cricket passed away last night about 2:42 am Texas time. I am pretty torn up right now. I feel like such a dork because I carried his collar to work with me today. He had the feeding tube procedure done, but was just so anemic, that after the procedure, he couldn't get his breath. For most of the night, I thought he was just having a hard time coming out of the sedation (gas) because he never really did and was having problems breathing, but the vet said his trachea probably got irritated from the procedure, and that he should be fine later. He slept right next to me last night and about 2:20 he woke me up trying to cry, and I picked him up and took him to the living room because I knew something wasn't right. He died about 20 minutes later. I have asked God countless times to let me be there when Cricket passed so that he wouldn't be as scared or lonely (like he would be if I was at work and died). God honored that request, thankfully, but it was still very hard. My husband, nephew, and I will have a little ceremony this afternoon for him. I am glad that he is not in pain or weak or suffering and I know that I did just about everything humanly and financially possible, but it doesn't help. At least not right now. I am going to write him a little tribute to bury with him. He was such a wonderful companion. I will send a pic out of him later when I get home. Thank all of you SO much for helping me and Cricket through these last three and a half weeks. Your kindness is immeasurable, and I plan to stick around and help out anyone else I can even though I don't have anymore FeLV (that I know of-I need to have my other two retested). God Bless each and every one of you. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: my baby Garfunkle
Hi Hideyo, I know you don't have a lot of time to read emails so I will try to keep this short. I am happy that you are keeping vigil with Garfunkle while he is ill. I so hope he pulls through. I wish we could all be there with our furangels when they are so sick. Don't give up hope Hideyo!!! Please keep us posted on Garfunkle. Prayers- Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, everyone, thank you so very much for your kinds words - Garfunkle and I appreciate it very much - he is resting peacefully right now - I need to get back to him very quickly. I wrapped him around with blanket and heat pad.. whenever I pet him, he tries very hard to purr - I love this boy - he is one of my favorite feral boy - I am going to spend as much time as possible, and praying that a miracle will happen to him. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Pictures of Cricket on Web! oops!!! My apology wasn't watching what I typed instead of she I meant HE Sorry Wendy!!! Terrie Mohr TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Owner/Driver Check sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.com Adopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/ TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.paypal.com/en_US/i/icon/verification_seal.gif __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: 20 CATS...
Hey Sandy, I had four inside cats until Cricket passed. They all have free roam of the house except the guest bedroom and bath. Cricket didn't really have a spot in the house. He just went where I went. When he got sick, he did pick a spot behind a big plant in our bedroom. He got along with everyone and was a very Beatles-like kitty: live and let live. LuLu, my Siamese mix, is the sweetest thing and she pretty much stays in our bedroom. Now that Cricket has passed though, she has been coming out more. Pepper, LuLu's sister, is black like Cricket, and she is kind of a bully and stays in the kitty room where her tree is. She has also come out of her room more since Cricket passed. Julie is our geriatric kitty-she is 16 years old. She lived in our garage/outside until last September when she was mauled by the neighbors boxer who got out of their fence (and the sorry guy lied to animal control and said it wasn't his dog even though they could see the blood to prove it; he just got fined by the city a year later for that incident). Julie moved inside after the attack to recover and since she was so happy, we kept her inside. She is a new kitty now. She hangs out in the kitchen (lol-waiting for chicken broth) and on the carpet right by the kitchen. She races through the house when she is happy. I think that there is some truth to the territorial thing, but I don't think the kitties need much space as long as the space they have isn't invaded. There are some kitties that can be jerks though. I have one outside cat that just doesn't like other cats. My outside kitties have access to the yard and the garage and they get along pretty well. There are 5 of them, plus two strays that hang around. I would probably have more except for my husband; he's like yours. lol. :) Wendy --- Dudes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm always amazed when people say that they have lots of cats. I would probably have a lot more if my husband didn't stop me. I have always had dogs my entire life, until we were adopted by our first cat, Miss, some years ago. I remember the exact moment that I knew I loved her. I looked into her eyes as she sat in the crook of my arm purring, just staring at me with half closed eyes in contentment. I was amazed at how calming and peaceful a cat is. But on the other hand, I have 4 who are all indoors, and they barely get along. I can't imagine what would happen if we added more. Aren't cats notoriously territorial? I consider myself a cat novice, so I wonder what those of you with lots of cats observe about yours. Sandy __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: my baby Garfunkle
Nina, I am elated to hear about Garfunkle's improvement! That's awesome! I hope he continues to turn around. It's amazing what the love and care of an owner can do for these little furballs. You go Hideyo! :) Wendy --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Wendy and list, I heard from Hideyo today, she had wonderful news. Not only is Garfunkle still with us, but he's improved! His temp is up to, I think she said 99.6, (still low, but so much better). He's not eating on his own, but he's moving around more and he doesn't appear to be as jaundiced. She thinks the subq fluids must be flushing his system, but she still doesn't know exactly what the problem is. Keep praying and sending her and Garfunkle good thoughts! Nina wendy wrote: Hi Hideyo, I know you don't have a lot of time to read emails so I will try to keep this short. I am happy that you are keeping vigil with Garfunkle while he is ill. I so hope he pulls through. I wish we could all be there with our furangels when they are so sick. Don't give up hope Hideyo!!! Please keep us posted on Garfunkle. Prayers- Wendy __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: Pls Read: A miracle of Garfunkle - thank you for your prayers!
Hideyo, What a wonderful story! I can't believe Garfunkle made it after being so sick! Wow! Your story made me choke up and then laugh out loud at the wonderful turn around. Miracles do happen and I believe in them. Even if they don't happen for everyone, they do happen. Your vigil and your belief in a miracle brought him through. And I hope that everyone reading your post realizes not to give up until after you just have to. So happy for you and Garfunkle- :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: New to FeLV
Gia, I am sorry to hear about your loss of the black stray kitty and sorrier to hear that your Elvis has been diagnosed with FeLV. You should not feel guilty because of your ignorance. Even the vets are somewhat mystified by FeLV as not a lot is known about the virus. You can akin FeLV to HIV. The veterinary industry only knows for sure that FeLV is spread by blood or birth. They do not know for sure that it is spread any other way, but many suspect that close contact (saliva) is another way you can spread the virus. The virus can only live outside the host for a very short period of time. If Elvis and your black kitty were close, it is possible Elvis got it that way. But if not, maybe (but not proven) through litter boxes of food/water bowls or maybe Elvis already had it from birth and it is just now manifesting itself. It would probably be very unlikely that ALL your cats have contracted FeLV from that one kitty. So many of us here have a lot of cats, but maybe only one or two who have FeLV. Many have cats that lived for years with FeLV and they never contracted it. Mine haven't, and were with my Cricket for 4 and a half years before he passed last week. Also, FYI, the FeLV vaccine is supposed to last 2-3 years, so your others are most likely ok from the first vaccine. How old is Elvis? This website was a life saver for me when Cricket was sick. He was my baby and I took his illness very hard. He was sick for 3.5 weeks before he died. Everyone here was so kind, encouraging, and best of all, informed. I hope Elvis, with proper care from you, lives a long life with FeLV. I want to encourage you to read up on all the posts you can because you will learn a lot and learn that FeLV is not an 'immediate death sentence' as many vets think it is. Let us know if you need anything. Prayers- Wendy __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: Pls Read: A miracle of Garfunkle - thank you for your prayers!
These little furballs just steal our hearts right out from under us Congratulations Hideyo again on Garfunkle's surprising recovery!!! We are all rooting for him and for you! --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Wendy, very much. Garfunkle actually started eating last night on his own! I brought the food to all the kitties and I did not see Garfunkle where he usually rests and I was worried as to where he went ---and he was right in front of me, waiting to be fed! I cried.. so unexpected. I know he has a long way to recover, and this does not guarantee anything.. but at least, I have one more day with him that I thought I did Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:31 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Pls Read: A miracle of Garfunkle - thank you for your prayers! Hideyo, What a wonderful story! I can't believe Garfunkle made it after being so sick! Wow! Your story made me choke up and then laugh out loud at the wonderful turn around. Miracles do happen and I believe in them. Even if they don't happen for everyone, they do happen. Your vigil and your belief in a miracle brought him through. And I hope that everyone reading your post realizes not to give up until after you just have to. So happy for you and Garfunkle- :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
To Gia concerning finding a vet
Gia, I live close to Dallas, and when Cricket got sick recently, I was scared because I wasn't too confident with our run-of-the-mill vet around the corner from our neighborhood. So what I did was call around to the various vets in our town and actually spoke to eact VET, not the tech or other employees, and told them Cricket's situation and listened to what each vet had to say. They were all fairly happy to speak with me before coming in to see them. This gave me a great (and inexpensive) feel for each vet and their knowledge of FeLV and bedside manner. That way I didn't have to physically visit each one to get this info.(not to mention pay for an office exam for each one). I was surprised that a simple phone conversation led me in a better direction for care for Cricket. Hope this helps, especially since you live in the boonies and vets are few and far between. Good luck in your search. :) Wendy --- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Kerry:: I really appreciate your response to my letter. I can already agree with you: Most supportive/generous/kind-hearted/informed... To the Nth degree! And thank you for your 'blessing'. I took it to heart. You know, I don't think I'm 'special' for taking in strays. Rather, I'm always astonished (but not surprised, anymore) that EVERYone DOESN'T. And to fully acquaint you with how convoluted MY thinking is, I always find OTHER 'animal people' to be unique, and am always grateful that they're out there. How's THAT for confusion? smile You are obviously one of 'us'; and, true to form, I am amazed and gratified to find another! (at least I'm CONSISTENTLY confused!) I appreciate your thoughtfulness in urging me to try to stop the 'blame game.' You're right, of course, but logic just ain't quite cuttin' it about now. Nevertheless, your advice encouraged me. Yes, I switched vets, but I'm not that enamored of the new one. The sad facts are that I live in the boonies, and the vets around here are geared toward large-animal medicine. And geography can also be blamed for the dearth of choices. I am looking into vets in 'the big city' (about 11/2-2 hrs away) and also at the OSU vets (about 3 hrs away). It would be hard NOT to find a better-informed vet, and I'd like to think I could find one that would also be more caring/concerned/sympathetic... I hear you, re: ...took...a while...to realize...naive belief...etc. Being a nurse, I of ALL people should know how UNinfallible medical personnel are, just like the rest of the human race. But I just...didn't. What reasoning!! RE: ...there may be no point in vaccinating. I understood your point about sufficiently strong immune systems, but wouldn't an inoculation boost such a system? Or, failing that, would it do any harm? And isn't there a possibility that even in my younger cats, some immune systems aren't all that they could/should be? I was amazed about your '6th'. And definitely took your meaning about the poinlessness, a/w/a/ the heartlessness in separation. And I can also completely understand your paranoia re: negative cats. Your excerpt from the book (which I intend to find) was also most enlightening, and lightening. Again, I am most grateful! It really helped! Take care, Gia __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Re: New to FeLV (Belinda Sauro)
Gia, Cricket and I had a horrible experience with a large animal vet two years ago. If I wouldn't have taken him home after the 18 hours of care that he received from the vet, he would have died there. He had a horrible infection he picked up after he ripped out all his back claws trying to claw his way up a brick column while trying to get away from a big dog that had gotten out of his house and went after him. I didn't know that his claws were gone until after I brought him home from the vets and he recouped. They tested his blood for FeLV while there and I thought that was what was wrong with him. The vet was giving him no IV fluid nor sustenance, after I had specifically asked them to, and pretty much left him in his cage. When I finally realized what was happening (thank God for women's instinct), I rushed to the vet in the middle of my work day and took him home with antibiotics. He was pretty much lifeless; very limp and not much responsiveness, which was opposite of how he was when I brought him in. I stayed home from work for two days and gave him his meds and water every hour and food every so often when I felt he could handle it. I could NOT believe that he came back, that's how sick he was. The vet even told me that he'd never seen a cat come back from being that sick. His temperature was so high that it went all the way to the top of the thermometer and they couldn't tell how high it actually was. So, in lieu of all this info., if you or anyone else can at all avoid a primarily large animal vet, DO SO. I guess it's kind of like asking a family practitioner to perform a hemorrhoid-ectomy. LOL. No offense to large animal practitioners; that's just the way it is. :) Wendy --- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Belinda: You have my heartfelt thanks for your response to my letter. Everything I've read here has contributed to the lessening of my despair about this disaster. Your letter is certainly no exception! I was shocked at your info re: bad experiences vaccinating unknown positives. Before I went the round of vaccinations in 2003, knowing that they would do no good for the already infected, I specifically asked if it would do them any harm. I was assured that it would have no effect, either way. That is why I didn't bother to test first. The vet actually was somewhat reluctant to NOT test first, but was adamant that it would do no harm, and, at $40 a (literal) shot, and the same for the test...well, you can do the math. I'm sure you can understand why I didn't test. In fact, your letter is what has made me reconsider my original decision NOT to test. My (2nd) vet seemed so certain that, if they didn't actually test positive now, they would surely do so eventually. The implication I got was that it was possible to get false-negative results, which also led me to choose vaccination without testing. Certainly, I would never vaccinate any positive-result cats; wouldn't be any point, would be a waste of money I could use for their care, and might actually do harm. So it looks like 'tests for all' is coming tomorrow. And I can't TELL you how I dread it I assume your negatives have always been vaccinated? And I was so relieved and gratified to hear that you have had a positive that 'old' and that communal living for so long has had no ill effect. That my vet(s) don't appear to know much about FeLV doesn't really surprise me. They didn't know anything about iguanas, and I've had the same experience with ferrets. Still, CATS?? As you'll have likely read in my letter to another member, you'll have noted that they're mostly large-animals vets who almost seem...ashamed? embarrassed? to even treat small animals. (Anybody else ever have that feeling about a vet?) As to what my vet say(s) is wrong with Elvis...he only said, Feline Leukemia. I took that as a definitive answer, because until I began reading last night, I thought that feline leukemia was, well...leukemia. Cancer. Which, as we all know, is quite enough to be wrong with anybody. Really, calling it the FeLV is SO misleading! In my first letter, I said that after my initial experience with our Flavia, it was only after I went back home and began thinking that I called him back and asked about the possibility of contagion. You know what caused the unease which prompted my call? It was only a chance remark by the vet, something about where she caught it. It wasn't a completed thought, and it wasn't even to me, but to his assistant. Had I not overheard, I would NEVER have even considered that it could be a contagious disease. After all, cancer isn't contagious! Anyhow, I have no idea was ELSE is wrong. My gawd!! As I said, I thought it was 'contagious cancer', quite enough to cause weight loss. I'll have to remember to ask when I call tomorrow. You may have saved his life!! For that, as well
RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Hideyo, I have a kitty that does not use the litte box regularly, much to our dislike, and I am so going to try that towel in a kitty box thing because everytime I have clothes on the floor to put into the wash, she tinkles on them! I will let you know how this goes and thanks so much for the tip! :) Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Kerry - actually Carol (person in Jail) asked if she should have euthanized them before. I said hell no - I am not sure how dependable she is going to be as she is a drug addict (sort of) and am not sure how clean she can stay when she gets out of jail. But I told her not to worry about the kitties, I will take care of them indefinitely and she was very grateful. In a way, I am hoping that she never will ask for them (she was evicted from the apartment so she does not have a place to live either). Well, about tiger, I came to realize that some kitties don't like to touch the litter at all. And it might reinforce the idea now you mentioned that Tiger does not want to cover the litter box. I have a cat whose name is narita - she does not want to pee in the litter box, but does not mind doing so in a town (or any soft place) in a litter box, she does number 2 in the litter box, but she put all her legs on the top of the litter box and she does not put her feet in the box at all (of course, she does not cover the poops either) - I am not sure if it's the case with Tiger or not. I realized that I couldn't make her do what I wanted her to do (use a litter box like a normal kitty), so I accommodate her need or so that she won't keep peeing on my bed or couch (yikes) ... I hope it's not the case with Tiger and it might be just temporary.. but you might want to try a different type of litter --- do you use clay litter now? I use wheat kind.. Love. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry How long is the owner in jail, Hideyo? Yes, you are going to have a tough time if you have to give them up, too. Maybe it won't come to that, tho. They can't depend on her, that's clear. (Heck, if it weren't for you, they probably would have been euthanized by the time she came out.) Hideyo, what's the idea behind the litter box with a towel -- I'm not clear, but I am intrigued. I sure need ideas! D'you mean that on those occasions when he doesn't use the box, he would perhaps use the non-litter box (instead of the wood floor as at present)? Thing is, I want to figure out how to get him to use the real litter box all the time. He's also the only cat that does not cover up. He's a bit of a slob, my Tigerprobably wasn't taught, along with not being weaned, poor love. Hope Garfunkle, and Ghandi and Ruby-E -- and Hideyo!-- are all doing ok. love, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Kerry, did I tell you about terumo needles? Let me ship some to you. If you are using Monoject right now, you will find much easier to use terumo -- it's so smooth that you don't even know that you are poking... with Monoject.. I had to use a couple of needles when Papa needed fluid (he is my FIV boy who had a very thick skin) because it took so much to poke - Wow, it will be hard to give up Pookie, won't it? I have 4 cats that I reclaimed from the pound the other day (the owner is in jail) and am going to have a hard time to return them to her once she gets out of jail, because she is sort of drug addict and she has some other mental illness and am worried that their safety might be at risk.. they are just so scared right now.. but started coming out a little bit --- I love them very much, too! As for Tiger, have you tried to add another box in a separate place or put a litter box not filled with litter, but with a towel or something.. your instinct is probably right and maybe there is something that can fix with homeopathy, which I will ask with my doctor.. the mean time, you might want to try to add another litter box with different litter or but old rug in the litter box (it works very well with a couple of my non-litter box user kitties) Love, Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 3:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Mine are doing well; no one is sick just now, knock on wood, thanks, Hideyo. I'm
Re: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry
Carrie, Kitty urine washes out quite nicely in the wash I've learned, so just throw the rug in the wash if you don't think it would become too unraveled. A towel would be a better choice because those can be washed over and over. If this works for Pepper, I will buy several cheap towels for her and wash them only with each other. I am so excited because it's been a problem! :) Wendy --- hd cc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A rug in the litter box? Then when its time to clean wheres the rug go? his is very interesting as we also have several cats in groups I know that have this problem. Sincerely Carrie - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:58 AM Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Hideyo, I have a kitty that does not use the litte box regularly, much to our dislike, and I am so going to try that towel in a kitty box thing because everytime I have clothes on the floor to put into the wash, she tinkles on them! I will let you know how this goes and thanks so much for the tip! :) Wendy --- Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Kerry - actually Carol (person in Jail) asked if she should have euthanized them before. I said hell no - I am not sure how dependable she is going to be as she is a drug addict (sort of) and am not sure how clean she can stay when she gets out of jail. But I told her not to worry about the kitties, I will take care of them indefinitely and she was very grateful. In a way, I am hoping that she never will ask for them (she was evicted from the apartment so she does not have a place to live either). Well, about tiger, I came to realize that some kitties don't like to touch the litter at all. And it might reinforce the idea now you mentioned that Tiger does not want to cover the litter box. I have a cat whose name is narita - she does not want to pee in the litter box, but does not mind doing so in a town (or any soft place) in a litter box, she does number 2 in the litter box, but she put all her legs on the top of the litter box and she does not put her feet in the box at all (of course, she does not cover the poops either) - I am not sure if it's the case with Tiger or not. I realized that I couldn't make her do what I wanted her to do (use a litter box like a normal kitty), so I accommodate her need or so that she won't keep peeing on my bed or couch (yikes) ... I hope it's not the case with Tiger and it might be just temporary.. but you might want to try a different type of litter --- do you use clay litter now? I use wheat kind.. Love. Hideyo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 7:33 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry How long is the owner in jail, Hideyo? Yes, you are going to have a tough time if you have to give them up, too. Maybe it won't come to that, tho. They can't depend on her, that's clear. (Heck, if it weren't for you, they probably would have been euthanized by the time she came out.) Hideyo, what's the idea behind the litter box with a towel -- I'm not clear, but I am intrigued. I sure need ideas! D'you mean that on those occasions when he doesn't use the box, he would perhaps use the non-litter box (instead of the wood floor as at present)? Thing is, I want to figure out how to get him to use the real litter box all the time. He's also the only cat that does not cover up. He's a bit of a slob, my Tigerprobably wasn't taught, along with not being weaned, poor love. Hope Garfunkle, and Ghandi and Ruby-E -- and Hideyo!-- are all doing ok. love, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hideyo Yamamoto Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 4:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Tsubomi, Ginger and Garfunkle update - To Nina and Kerry Kerry, did I tell you about terumo needles? Let me ship some to you. If you are using Monoject right now, you will find much easier to use terumo -- it's so smooth that you don't even know that you are poking... with Monoject.. I had to use a couple of needles when Papa needed fluid (he is my FIV boy who had a very thick skin) because it took so much to poke - Wow, it will be hard to give up Pookie, won't it? I have 4 cats that I reclaimed from the pound the other day (the owner is in jail
Re: re. Haunted by questions please help ?
Lynne, I know this might be a lot to ask right now, but please stop feeling so guilty. Every single person here looks at some aspect of the care they gave their furball before they passed away, and questions whether this or that should have been done instead of what was done. Or question their vet. Or the diet. You name it. But the bottom line is, you did all you could given the information and time you had. Keep in mind that you did nothing intentionally to harm your kitty. You did the best you could and we all know that desperate feeling of grasping at anything and everything that might help and hating ourselves for being ignorant when time was of the essence. Please don't torture yourself. That being said, I know what you are going through. I am coming to terms right now with the loss of my precious Cricket almost two weeks ago. We are our own worst critics. We are harder on ourselves than anyone else, and it's probably time that you started going a little easier on yourself. There are so many unanswered questions about FeLV. The vets don't know much either. Many of the questions you asked in your first post have no answers as of yet. I treated Cricket with ImmunoRegulin, but he was so anemic and only responded for a short time before he got too sick to eat and then died the day I had a feeding tube inserted as a last ditch effort to save him. It was a heartbreaking experience I will never forget. He was 4 and a half when he died. From what you said about your kitty, it sounds like he had the cancers pretty badly and all over. Treating the bacterial infection effectively MIGHT have bought him more time, but you had no guarantee of that. And yes, he MIGHT have responded to chemo, but you had no guarantee of that either. What you did know is that he had been dealing with cancer for some time. It might have just been his time. When I think about this concept, I think back to a beautiful girl, inside and out, that I went to high school with. She was 3 years younger than me, the head cheerleader at our high school, and was a precious human being. EVERYONE loved her. She was so sweet and friendly and just shining all the time. A truly priceless soul. She got into a car accident with three other girls one day on the way to practice. It was a sunny afternoon, and she spilled her drink while driving her Suzuki Samurai, and bent over to pick it up, and when she looked up, she was in another lane going head on with another car, and jerked the wheel and flipped the car. She was thrown from the vehicle, hit her head, and her parents eventually had to turn off the life support. It was such a tragedy in our small town. And the only thing that I can think of when I think back on her is that it was her time. Why else would God take such a beautiful soul from making everyone's life better here? And at such a young age? We can never know why the time comes for any of us or our loved ones or furballs, but it does. We don't know the inner-workings of Heaven and why things happen the way they do. The only comfort I have is the inner peace I have from God being there for me and holding me when I am weak. In my situation, second guessing myself helped me not to deal directly with the fact that my beloved Cricket was gone and was not coming back. And when I stopped (mostly), I had to accept the truth and just grieve in that way, instead of feeling guilty. I hope this helps you Lynne. And please forgive me if I have said anything to offend you. I do know how you are feeling. I just want to help in the best way I can. Prayers for you and your family. And I am SO sorry that you lost your kitty. :) Wendy __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: Rose pts
Denise, I am so sorry to hear about Rose. Thank you for taking care of her and taking her in when no one else did. Prayers to you and your family, Wendy --- MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry to hear your sad news, Denise. But I'm glad Rose knew what it was to have a real, loving home, and was loved, cared for and comforted right until the end. You could check back to your November 1 (or 1st of any month) emails, when details of how you individually unsubscribe, with your passport, are sent. Or try: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hugs and sympathy to you and your family, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 10:47 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Rose pts Thanks to all of you who have shared your experiences with your leukemia cats. This summer, we adopted our Rose from a Humane Society board member who had her at his house in a cage with his other rescued cats. Rose couldn't go to PetSmart cuz she was unadoptable due to chronic boogers, yet she was super friendly and my kids, my dog, and I just loved her to bits. After she didn't get better on meds, I took her to the vet for THE test, and sure enough it was positive. Then, I joined this list to learn from you all. Rose had a great, but brief, relatively healthy life for the rest of her time, but then she went down hill quickly. Thanks to your posts, and the vet's food and advice, I syringe-fed her AD and H2O for a few days after the vet rehydrated her subQ. Rose seemed happy again for a little while, but her overly-dilated eye never went back to normal, so the vet thought that the leukemia had affected her neurologically. He was probably right, cuz by Friday, she was suffering, so I took Rose to be put to sleep. They couldn't find a vain on her, so they gave her an injection interthoracically. She lingered for a few moments in my arms as my dog and I snuggled with her until she passed. Thanks again for all your posts. I didn't post much myself, but I was comforted by this group every day. Now, if you will, please unsubscribe me until I can rejoin later to offer hope and encouragement to others after I'm done mourning. Best, Denise in Utah This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. hr IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor hr This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Lost my Lancelot - add to bridge list
Gloria, I am sorry to hear about your sweet Lancelot. Please know you went above and beyond what many owners do for their kitties when they are ill. I hope you are comforted by this. I liked the idea of burying Lancelot with another kitty recently passed. It was a comforting thought for me and I hope comforting for both those kitties as they cross the bridge. :) Wendy __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
RE: Such a caring and loving group!
I agree with many of you. I don't see myself going anywhere anytime soon, even though I don't have any FeLV kitties at present. The information is so valuable and can be used for illnesses whether related to FeLV or not. In addition, I will NEVER forget the support that I got here when Cricket was sick and after he died, and I am a big believer in paying it forward. I want to help others the way you all helped Cricket and me in our time of need. I also agree that there are other problems non-kitty related that we discuss from time to time and frankly there are many people here who are wise and who I would have no problem with taking advice from on any number of issues. :) Wendy P.S. Do they offer veterinary courses/licenses online, because many of you might qualify!? lol. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: New Member
Rebecca, It's so good to meet you and get to know you and Brooklyn P for Putty tat O'Malley. I cracked up when I read that. I have news for you though. It sounds like you have been kitty-pated (like twitter-pated, but with kitties). Now that this kitty has stolen your heart, you will never be the same. Have you gotten his stocking for Christmas yet? lol. I tell people that don't like cats that they've never been loved by one. Being that Brooklyn is around five, then there's a good chance that he might fight off the FeLV virus and eventually test negative for it. Diet, supplements, and quality, informed care will help with this. Unfortunately, fate, the ever present X-factor, also has a say in Brooklyn's life. All you can do is your best. I hope you enjoy this group as I do. :) Wendy __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
Conflict on being vegan
I have a question: why in the world would anyone take offense to the personal choice of being a vegan? Especially to the point of kicking a vegan out of a group? I don't understand this concept. I could fathom a group of vegans not wanting a non-vegan in their cyber group, but the other way around? Can someone fill me in on why this would be? Just curious. Thanks. I have no problem with what anyone is doing as long as it isn't hurting anyone or anything, and being vegan does not qualify. __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
