Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: Bob, you fail to take into account the known and well documented bonding > energy that can exist in a chemical system. This bonding is limited to no > more than about 10 eV ... > Is this the energy required for a dislocation? Wouldn't it be h

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:24 AM, David Roberson wrote: Eric, if the photons were to be emitted in random directions by the excited > He4, then little kinetic energy would be imparted upon the nucleus.I > suspect this is what you are referring to. > Perhaps; I'm not sure. I had in mind someth

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Bob Cook
06, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" I do not see how the concept of spin has any relevance to the discussion. Both Rossi and DGT state that nickel isotopes of zero spin will react and nickel isotopes with non zero spins do not. This is both experimenta

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Bob Cook
-l Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" I do not see how the concept of spin has any relevance to the discussion. Both Rossi and DGT state that nickel isotopes of zero spin will react and nickel isotopes with non zero spins do no

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Bob Cook
- Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" I do not see how the concept of spin has any relevance to the discussion. Both Rossi and DGT state that nickel isotopes of

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Edmund Storms
o assume that. Crystals like in Pd metal I would consider to be >>> one QM system as long as long as the ionic chemical bonds hold the atoms >>> together. The nuclear magnetic moments of a crystal clearly couple with >>> the electrons in the system. Nano particl

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Axil Axil
age - > *From:* Edmund Storms > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Cc:* Edmund Storms > *Sent:* Thursday, March 06, 2014 10:49 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" > > Bob, you fail to take into account the known and well documented bonding > energy

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Edmund Storms
From: Edmund Storms > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Cc: Edmund Storms > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" > > Bob, you fail to take into account the known and well documented bonding > energy that can exist in a chemical s

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Bob Cook
- From: Edmund Storms To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" Bob, you fail to take into account the known and well documented bonding energy that can exist in a chemical system. This bonding is

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Bob Cook
nds the trans coupling between nuclei >>>(HH, HF, FF) is considerably larger than cis coupling.<<< Bob - Original Message - From: Edmund Storms To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christo

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Edmund Storms
> From: Edmund Storms > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Cc: Edmund Storms > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 6:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" > > > On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Edmund Storms

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Bob Cook
ot of any practical intensity. Bob - Original Message - From: Edmund Storms To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2014 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Eric Walker wrote: On Wed, Mar

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Bob Cook
Mark-- Its hard to keep track of who says what in these threads. Sorry, Thanks for the correction. Bob - Original Message - From: "MarkI-ZeroPoint" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:52 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" Bob: It wasn't

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread David Roberson
am Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" I wrote: If an alpha is born from a [dd]* resonance in which the mass energy is fractionated among a large number of sinks (e.g., nearby electrons and ion cores), the 4He daughter would have no or almost no energy. This

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Bob Cook
The TSC theory has such a kinetic energy for the alphas identified Bob. - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:18 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" I wrote: If an alpha is born

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Bob Cook
eps that I have omitted.(:-) Bob - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: When alpha particles

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-06 Thread Edmund Storms
On Mar 5, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > > When alpha particles pass through material, a series of nuclear reactions can > occur that emit radiation. In addition, bremsstrahlung radiation is emitted > as the alpha slows down. Ha

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Jones: I gather I don't really understand what you're getting at. My responses are designated by 4 embedded asterisks. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > From: Kevin O'Malley > > It is fact that LENR is not and cannot be a known fusion > r

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: If an alpha is born from a [dd]* resonance in which the mass energy is > fractionated among a large number of sinks (e.g., nearby electrons and ion > cores), the 4He daughter would have no or almost no energy. > This was stated incorrectly. To the extent that there is binding between th

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: When alpha particles pass through material, a series of nuclear reactions > can occur that emit radiation. In addition, bremsstrahlung radiation is > emitted as the alpha slows down. Hagelstrin describes these processes in > the papers I attac

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Bob Cook wrote: I think there is a large number of particles involved in the fractionation > of energy resulting from LENR. Otherwise the structure would be damaged so > as not to produce LENR anymore. > I like this line of approach. It reminds me of what Bob H

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Bob Cook wrote: > I have had a similar notion relative to the Pd-D system. Specifically two > D come together to form a virtual excited He particle with high spin energy > that fractionates its high spin energy to electrons and other coupled > particles to attain

RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Kevin O'Malley It is fact that LENR is not and cannot be a known fusion reaction, since it is fact that no known nuclear fusion reaction is gamma free. ***Isn't Reversible Proton Fusion (RPF) Gamma free? It's the most common

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Axil Axil
aks observed > would be nice to know. > > Bob > > - Original Message - > *From:* Axil Axil > *To:* vortex-l > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 05, 2014 5:26 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" > > More > &

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Bob Cook
Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" More http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/2004/2004Focardi-EvidenceOfElectromagneticRadiation.pdf Evidence of electromagnetic radiation from Ni-H Systems We report evidence of photon emission in three experiments with hydrogen

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Axil Axil
has are in high spin states upon the decomposition of Be-8, >>>> then small amounts of energy associated with transition from one state to >>>> the next lower state would never be seen. If many electrons are involved >>>> in the reaction it seems likely only sma

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Axil Axil
to >>> the next lower state would never be seen. If many electrons are involved >>> in the reaction it seems likely only small energy packets would be >>> released. The secondary radiation may be missed. >>> >>> Why do you imply the secondary radiation should nece

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Axil Axil
nly small energy packets would be >> released. The secondary radiation may be missed. >> >> Why do you imply the secondary radiation should necessarily be a high >> energy photon(s)? >> >> Bob >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Edmund

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Edmund Storms
--- Original Message - > From: Edmund Storms > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Cc: Edmund Storms > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" > > > On Mar 5, 2014, at 3:45 PM, David Roberson wrote: > >> Ed, I was not

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Axil Axil
ion should necessarily be a high > energy photon(s)? > > Bob > > - Original Message - > *From:* Edmund Storms > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Cc:* Edmund Storms > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 05, 2014 3:34 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" > &

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Kevin O'Malley
It is fact that LENR is not and cannot be a known fusion reaction, since it is fact that no known nuclear fusion reaction is gamma free. QED. ***Isn't Reversible Proton Fusion (RPF) Gamma free? It's the most common fusion event in our solar system. I thought you were the one bringing it up every

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Bob Cook
- From: Edmund Storms To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" On Mar 5, 2014, at 3:45 PM, David Roberson wrote: Ed, I was not suggesting that this reaction is the main one, I was m

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Edmund Storms
rather than under the lamppost, success will be impossible. Ed Storms > > Dave > > > > -Original Message- > From: Edmund Storms > To: vortex-l > Cc: Edmund Storms > Sent: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 5:29 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Coop

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread David Roberson
wards. I believe some say that your muscles might tense due to damage of the brain which might be the explanation. Dave -Original Message- From: James Bowery To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 5:31 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" The incommensurability of

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Edmund Storms
On Mar 5, 2014, at 3:44 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > From: Edmund Storms > > So your argument is that Hagelstein has generated incorrect arguments simply > to support his own theory. > > They may or may not be incorrect, but they are definitely self-serving. Have you read them? I have and the p

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread David Roberson
stated. Had the original proposition been that it was not likely or observed I would have remained silent. Dave -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms To: vortex-l Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 5:29 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" Yes Dave, th

RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Edmund Storms So your argument is that Hagelstein has generated incorrect arguments simply to support his own theory. They may or may not be incorrect, but they are definitely self-serving. And that no matter what is said about the Takahashi theory, it must be correct because it

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Edmund Storms
So your argument is that Hagelstein has generated incorrect arguments simply to support his own theory. And that no matter what is said about the Takahashi theory, it must be correct because it does not emit strong gamma and it must be better than my theory. You apparently do not acknowledge any

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread James Bowery
. > > It is important to keep the concept of angular energy and angular momentum > separate just as with linear momentum and kinetic energy. > > Dave > > > > -Original Message----- > From: Bob Cook > To: vortex-l > Sent: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 5:01 pm >

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Edmund Storms
les would >> not be required. I do not believe conservation of angular momentum requires >> two particles either. And keep in mind that potential energy may be changed >> to the energy of angular momentum/spin energy in LENR. >> >> Bob >> - Original

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2014-03-05 Thread Axil Axil
;> large difference in masses.Think of a rifle firing a bullet. Most of >> the energy ends up in the bullet while linear momentum is conserved. >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Edmund Storms >> To: vortex

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread David Roberson
linear momentum and kinetic energy. Dave -Original Message- From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l Sent: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" Dave-- I think there is a large number of particles involved in the fractionation of energy resulting

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Bob Cook
Jones-- Got it, thanks. Bob - Original Message - From: "Jones Beene" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 1:51 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" -Original Message- From: Bob Cook I am not familiar with TSC. Can you give a reference? Bob

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2014-03-05 Thread Bob Cook
ial energy can be converted > into angular momentum.< What is the basis for this lack of acceptance? Bob - Original Message - From: David Roberson To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" B

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2014-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook I am not familiar with TSC. Can you give a reference? Bob Go to this page and type "TSC" in the search box. Many good papers http://lenr-canr.org/

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread David Roberson
Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" Piantelli has seen a 6 MeV proton in a cloud chamber. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:34 PM, David Roberson wrote: Ed, the energy can be released in the form of a particle, such as an alpha, and a gamma ray. Energy and momentum can be conserv

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Bob Cook
Jones-- I am not familiar with TSC. Can you give a reference? Bob - Original Message - From: "Jones Beene" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:45 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" -Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones-- Alph

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2014-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Edmund Storms Jones, Hagelstein showed that this proposed reaction was not consistent with what is observed. We must also realize that Hagelstein is promoting his own theory which is not consistent with the rest of nuclear physics. As a result, Takahashi changed his explanation

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Axil Axil
tex-l > Cc: Edmund Storms > Sent: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 4:09 pm > Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" > > Bob, we are discussing a basic and fundamental concept. The energy > generated when mass-energy is released requires emission of at least two > particles for th

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Axil Axil
>> I note that, if there is no linear momentum to start, two particles would >> not be required. I do not believe conservation of angular momentum >> requires two particles either. And keep in mind that potential energy may >> be changed to the energy of angular moment

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread David Roberson
energy ends up in the bullet while linear momentum is conserved. Dave -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms To: vortex-l Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Wed, Mar 5, 2014 4:09 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" Bob, we are discussing a basic and fundamental concept.

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2014-03-05 Thread Edmund Storms
ntum to start, two particles would >> not be required. I do not believe conservation of angular momentum requires >> two particles either. And keep in mind that potential energy may be changed >> to the energy of angular momentum/spin energy in LENR. >> >> Bob

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2014-03-05 Thread mixent
l Message - >From: >To: >Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:37 PM >Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" > > >In reply to Bob Cook's message of Tue, 4 Mar 2014 21:58:10 -0800: >Hi, >[snip] >> These local vortex formations provide templates

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2014-03-05 Thread Axil Axil
perature. > The following paper addresses CNT size effects: > > http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1202/1202.1328.pdf > > It was identified by MarkI-zero point two days ago. > > Bob > > - Original Message - From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:37

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread David Roberson
, Mar 5, 2014 4:01 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" Ed-- You said: >>Yes, that is what I'm saying. LENR can not result in a single alpha because >>two particles are required to conserve momentum when energy is released. << I note that, if the

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Axil Axil
There is more than enough evidence to zero in on the prime cause of LENR both in orthodox science and LENR data. You have not put the work into utilizing all the data that is available. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > >

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Axil Axil
f angular momentum > requires two particles either. And keep in mind that potential energy may > be changed to the energy of angular momentum/spin energy in LENR. > > Bob > > - Original Message - > *From:* Edmund Storms > *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com > *Cc:* Edmund

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2014-03-05 Thread Edmund Storms
momentum/spin energy in LENR. > > Bob > - Original Message - > From: Edmund Storms > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Cc: Edmund Storms > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" > > > On Mar 5, 2014, at 12

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Bob Cook
nt: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" On Mar 5, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Jones Beene wrote: From: Edmund Storms Jones, bremsstrahlung or "slowing down radiation" is not produced by photons. Who said it was? I

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2014-03-05 Thread Edmund Storms
On Mar 5, 2014, at 1:45 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Bob Cook > > Jones-- > >> Alphas would not produce Bremstrallung, if they gain no kinetic energy in > being produced. Energy in the form of angular momentum would not produce > the B word. > > Bob- That much

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2014-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Bob Cook Jones-- > Alphas would not produce Bremstrallung, if they gain no kinetic energy in being produced. Energy in the form of angular momentum would not produce the B word. Bob- That much is almost true, but you overlook the 800 pound gorilla in the corne

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2014-03-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Tue, 4 Mar 2014 21:58:10 -0800: Hi, [snip] > These local vortex formations provide templates upon which the solitons will > condense. These quantum cavities absorbed both gamma radiation from nuclear > reactions and infrared radiation from the reactor structure

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Edmund Storms
On Mar 5, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > From: Edmund Storms > > Jones, bremsstrahlung or "slowing down radiation" is not > produced by photons. > > Who said it was? I'm not answering a claim. I'm simply giving information. You brought up photons by talk

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Bob Cook
t: RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" From: Edmund Storms Jones, bremsstrahlung or "slowing down radiation" is not produced by photons. Who said it was? You brought up photons. I asked for adequate documentation of intense photon emission - and am still waiting. This is ge

RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Edmund Storms Jones, bremsstrahlung or "slowing down radiation" is not produced by photons. Who said it was? You brought up photons. I asked for adequate documentation of intense photon emission - and am still waiting. This is generated by

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Bob Cook
:04 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" From: Bob Cook There are nuclear events that occur without emission of gammas. The decay of Ni-59 is an example. What's different in Ni-59 with respect to most other radioactive decay? Bob - It is not gammas

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2014-03-05 Thread Edmund Storms
Jones, bremsstrahlung or "slowing down radiation" is not produced by photons. This is generated by energetic electrons or particles such as alpha emission. LENR produces neither kind of radiation. Therefore, bremsstrahlung is not an issue because all the mass-energy is dissipated as photons. The

RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Cook There are nuclear events that occur without emission of gammas. The decay of Ni-59 is an example. What's different in Ni-59 with respect to most other radioactive decay? Bob - It is not gammas alone which are absent in LENR - but gammas and bremsstrahlung… which of co

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2014-03-05 Thread Bob Cook
particle. The spin coupling to the electronic structure is the unknown sauce. Bob - Original Message - From: Bob Cook To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" Eric-- You wrote: > I hav

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Bob Cook
ch 05, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" From: Eric Walker This working assumption (of a known fusion reaction) is not justifiable by facts, logic or common sense. Sure. That's you're opinion. You're entitled to an opini

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2014-03-05 Thread Bob Cook
pared to the starting material. Bob - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jones Beene wrote: No, it’s not opinion when

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2014-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Cook The definition of gamma emission is cropping up again. Jones I assume you mean any electromagnetic radiation that stems from a nuclear transition of some sort. The trend in science, and even in physics, is to avoid the origin, since it cannot always be known, and to use

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2014-03-05 Thread Bob Cook
momentum with near by nuclei, but are not part of the nuclei. Bob From: Edmund Storms To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" On Mar 5, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Jones Beene wrote: From: E

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2014-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Edmund Storms LENR emits photons. These photons are not as energetic as those produced by many normal nuclear reactions, hence most do not escape the apparatus. Where is the documented proof and spectra of these photons?

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2014-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
Eric, Again, I apologize for any inference that this is personal or related precisely to your prior post. My comment was intended to show only that: 1)LENR is NOT a known nuclear fusion reaction since all known fusion reactions produce gamma radiation. 2)Since there is a novel r

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Edmund Storms
On Mar 5, 2014, at 9:21 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > From: Eric Walker > > This working assumption (of a known fusion reaction) is not justifiable by > facts, logic or common sense. > > Sure. That's you're opinion. You're entitled to an opinion. > > Sorry to have made this blanket statement

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > No, it’s not opinion when 100% of the available proof is on your side. > That's a pretty strong assessment of the merits of your position. :) > It is fact that LENR is not and cannot be a known fusion reaction, since > it is fact that no

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2014-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker This working assumption (of a known fusion reaction) is not justifiable by facts, logic or common sense. Sure. That's you're opinion. You're entitled to an opinion. Sorry to have made this blanket statement in regard to your prior post specifically, Eric, since it

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2014-03-05 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:15 AM, Jones Beene wrote: From: Eric Walker > > * This is yet another reason, one of many - why consideration of all > the evidence, giving no preference to Pd-D, points to many different routes > to gain in LENR. > > Sure… My working

RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker * This is yet another reason, one of many - why consideration of all the evidence, giving no preference to Pd-D, points to many different routes to gain in LENR. Sure… My working assumption is that both NiH a

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-04 Thread Bob Cook
That just the CMFV theory of fusion. - Original Message - From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" Here is my take on nickel and the Curie temperature. First, the Ni/H reactor will not work w

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2014-03-04 Thread Axil Axil
It might be correct to say that there is one basic cause with many possible effects. Take the acceleration in the decay of radioactive isotopes. Such an effect is a hard one to explain. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:48 PM, Eric Walker wrote: > On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote: >

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2014-03-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > In his Arata replication, Ahern found that an alloy of mostly nickel > with less than 10% Pd takes up more hydrogen than Pd alone. > This is interesting. But now we're talking about an Ni-Pd alloy, and neither Ni nor Pd. Perhaps there is a

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2014-03-04 Thread Axil Axil
Here is my take on nickel and the Curie temperature. First, the Ni/H reactor will not work well if its operating temperature is below the Curie temperature. A cold reactor will radiate gamma rays. At low temperatures, the nuclear reaction is not part of the magnetic based positive feedback loop a

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-04 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 4 Mar 2014 16:54:13 -0500: Hi, It seems I got the magnitudes reversed. However consider the following:- Below the Curie Temperature Ni behaves as a Ferromagnetic material, and increases the field strength when a current is applied, as it's magnetic domai

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2014-03-04 Thread Axil Axil
DGT: "After each triggering duty cycle (the triggering sequences producing excess heat), the magnetic fields at ~18 cm from the reactor at all three locations rose from ~0.6 Tesla to ~1.6 Tesla (DC peak) during each reaction period. Such anomalous peak signals were maintained for approximately 3-4

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-04 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 2 Mar 2014 13:23:09 -0500: Hi, [snip] I was under the impression that DGT started with a 1 Tesla field that they created themselves, and that the experiment itself increased this to 1.6 T. IOW a 60% increase. It is common for ferromagnetic materials to incr

RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-04 Thread Jones Beene
Good start on a list. It is clear that the two isotopes are so very different in nuclear properties that they should be considered different elements- yet the chemical properties are identical or similar - so the profound nuclear differences are masked by chemical similarity. To add: one nucleu

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-04 Thread Edmund Storms
nd Storms > Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:14 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" > > > On Mar 4, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Bob Cook wrote: > >> >> >> From the experiments on NiH it seems that it is pretty difficult to get >> protium inside

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-04 Thread Bob Cook
bject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" On Mar 4, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Bob Cook wrote: From the experiments on NiH it seems that it is pretty difficult to get protium inside the lattice--unlike Pd. This seems to point to surface reactions for Ni and bulk reaction fo

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-04 Thread David Roberson
knowledge of that clearly pertain to behavior separating these isotopes. Thanks, Dave -Original Message- From: Jones Beene To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 9:28 am Subject: RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" From:Eric Walker Wikipedia has adiscussion

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-04 Thread Axil Axil
With palladium, deuterium serves two functions. It produces NAE by cracking it and it also provides a surface dielectric SPP cover the permeates the cracks. Any deuterium that penetrates deeply into the lattice is lost to the reaction. With NiH, the NAE is premade, or produced in an ongoing p

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-04 Thread Edmund Storms
On Mar 4, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Bob Cook wrote: > > > From the experiments on NiH it seems that it is pretty difficult to get > protium inside the lattice--unlike Pd. This seems to point to surface > reactions for Ni and bulk reaction for Pd. > > Bob Bob, all the evidence shows that the nu

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-04 Thread Bob Cook
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 6:27 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" From: Eric Walker Wikipedia has a discussion of Nickel hydride with several references to recent papers. I'm thinking more in relative terms -- I believe it takes quite a lot

RE: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-04 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker Wikipedia has a discussion of Nickel hydride with several references to recent papers. I'm thinking more in relative terms -- I believe it takes quite a lot of energy to dissolve hydrogen into nickel in comparison to the relative ease with which hydrogen dissolves int

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Bob Cook wrote: Wikipedia has a discussion of Nickel hydride with several references to > recent papers. > I'm thinking more in relative terms -- I believe it takes quite a lot of energy to dissolve hydrogen into nickel in comparison to the relative ease with whi

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-03 Thread Bob Cook
Eric -- Wikipedia has a discussion of Nickel hydride with several references to recent papers. Bob - Original Message - From: Eric Walker To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" On Sun, Mar 2, 20

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-03 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 3:32 PM, David Roberson wrote: > > Actually, I find it difficult to understand how the material [nickel] > would be able to breathe well enough to allow entry of the fresh hydrogen > and exit of the ash needed to supply the intense power. With that thought > in mind, does

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-03 Thread Axil Axil
day, March 03, 2014 9:10 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" > > You are describing the molten salt reactor where the U235 and the coolant > are mixed together. In this type of reaction, the connection between heat > and reactivity is tight... almost microscop

Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper"

2014-03-03 Thread Bob Cook
: Re: [Vo]:"Christopher H. Cooper" You are describing the molten salt reactor where the U235 and the coolant are mixed together. In this type of reaction, the connection between heat and reactivity is tight... almost microscopic. On the other hand, It takes a lot of time for the hea

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