Re: [Amsn-devel] Keyboard shortcuts for main menu
I think he's not reading the mails.. someone needs to send him a personal email without any [amsn-devel] in the subject... maybe then he'll read it... but I just can't beleive how people can be so rude!! well, at least he said 'please'... KKRT On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 11:13:01PM -0300, Gustavo A. Diaz wrote: I wonder if could someone delete this guy from the ML ? Seems he didn't read what we told him [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribio': Please not email to my email. Thanks, Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message-/home/gustavo/ From: Karel Demeyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 00:01:03 To:Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] Keyboard shortcuts for main menu It seems these mails come along more the last couple of months then I was ever used to. Could it be somehow our website is so designed that some ppl think they have to subscribe to the list (though they don't know what they're doing and think they just have to do this (put their addres in that box etc) to use amsn or something) ... Or what happened ? This seems to be happening since our new site though I don't get it. Karel. Op maandag 30-10-2006 om 11:47 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Wilfredo Ortiz: PLEASE STOP SEND EMAIL AND I NOT INTERSET DICUSS AND PLEASE STOP EMAIL TO MY EMAIL. THANK YOU, On 10/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, In a bid to be able to use amsn without using a mouse, I tried to add underlines for the main menu (so you can press alt+a for account menu, etc). However, when I'd done that and tested it, I got a tk error! grab failed: window not viewable while executing grab -global $w (procedure tk::TraverseToMenu line 21) invoked from within tk::TraverseToMenu . a (command bound to event) I'm on tk8.5, I havent tested with 8.4, but could someone who has 8.4 test it? (All you need to do is add -underline 0 to this line: .main_menu add cascade -label [trans account] -menu .main_menu.account (i think it's line , but my copy is a bit out of date) We really should be able to use amsn without a mouse. Cheers, Tom - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel -- */Gustavo A. Di'az/ * GDNet Projects www.gdnet.com.ar http://www.gdnet.com.ar Prof. y Soporte Te'cnico UTN www.frba.utn.edu.ar http://www.frba.utn.edu.ar/ (Universidad Tecnolo'gica Nacional) *Cel:* (011)15-5526-1264 FirmaEmail - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to
Re: [Amsn-devel] Keyboard shortcuts for main menu
Hello.. I don't think it's because of the new website...I think it *might* be because of this : [EMAIL PROTECTED] website]$ grep amsn-devel bugs/lang/* bugs/lang/en:$trans['nomessage']='ERROR! No report was sent. This means that eighter there is no error or that the bugreporting system has a error. If latter is the case, please manualy send the bugreport.amsn file to [EMAIL PROTECTED]'; bugs/lang/en:$trans['invalid']=ERROR! Invalid bug report. Please try to send it to us manually to [EMAIL PROTECTED]; bugs/lang/en:$trans['thankyou']=Thank you for helping us by sending a bug report! If you want to send more comments or are interested in helping us fix this bug, you can join the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. Your bug ID is $1.; bugs/lang/en:$trans['blocked']=We're sorry but you have been banned. You can contact the amsn-devel mailing list for more information.; KKRT On Wed, Nov 01, 2006 at 12:01:03AM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote: It seems these mails come along more the last couple of months then I was ever used to. Could it be somehow our website is so designed that some ppl think they have to subscribe to the list (though they don't know what they're doing and think they just have to do this (put their addres in that box etc) to use amsn or something) ... Or what happened ? This seems to be happening since our new site though I don't get it. Karel. Op maandag 30-10-2006 om 11:47 uur [tijdzone -0600], schreef Wilfredo Ortiz: PLEASE STOP SEND EMAIL AND I NOT INTERSET DICUSS AND PLEASE STOP EMAIL TO MY EMAIL. THANK YOU, On 10/30/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, In a bid to be able to use amsn without using a mouse, I tried to add underlines for the main menu (so you can press alt+a for account menu, etc). However, when I'd done that and tested it, I got a tk error! grab failed: window not viewable while executing grab -global $w (procedure tk::TraverseToMenu line 21) invoked from within tk::TraverseToMenu . a (command bound to event) I'm on tk8.5, I havent tested with 8.4, but could someone who has 8.4 test it? (All you need to do is add -underline 0 to this line: .main_menu add cascade -label [trans account] -menu .main_menu.account (i think it's line , but my copy is a bit out of date) We really should be able to use amsn without a mouse. Cheers, Tom - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Keyboard shortcuts for main menu
Hey Tom.. it seems this n00b subscribers eclipsed your thread and noone answered you... well, just to make sure people re-read your original post, I'm answering.. but I have nothing to say as I don't know what's causing this.. maybe asking in #tcl on IRC might help.. but first try to reproduce it with a small tcl script (a few lines creating a menu with -underline...) KKRT On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 01:40:14PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, In a bid to be able to use amsn without using a mouse, I tried to add underlines for the main menu (so you can press alt+a for account menu, etc). However, when I'd done that and tested it, I got a tk error! grab failed: window not viewable while executing grab -global $w (procedure tk::TraverseToMenu line 21) invoked from within tk::TraverseToMenu . a (command bound to event) I'm on tk8.5, I havent tested with 8.4, but could someone who has 8.4 test it? (All you need to do is add -underline 0 to this line: .main_menu add cascade -label [trans account] -menu .main_menu.account (i think it's line , but my copy is a bit out of date) We really should be able to use amsn without a mouse. Cheers, Tom - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] about the splash
lol.. alvaro learned from me how to answer users... now you have to relearn from me how to control yourself into not replying to those things.. lol :p well said though :) KKRT On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 07:11:55PM +0100, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: WHY DO WE HAVE TO GET DUMBS LIKE THIS FROM TIME TO TIME? HOW DO THEY GET SUBSCRIBED? I'D SUGGEST SOURCEFORGE TO ADD A CHECKBOX: NO, I'M NOT STUPID, SILLY OR SUBNORMAL, AND I REALLY WANT TO SUBSCRIBE TO THESE MAILING LIST AS SOMEONE ALREADY TOLD YOU, ONLY YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE, AND ONLY YOU CAN UNSUBSCRIBE (NOT REALLY, I COULD UNSUBSCRIBE YOU, BUT I'M NOT DOING IT). CHECK: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel On 10/30/06, Wilfredo Ortiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE DONT EMAIL NO MORE. I NOT INTERSET INFORMATION PLEASE STOP SENT EMAIL. On 10/30/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nah.. I gave the solution before.. all that needs to be done is have the splash a general config (this is kind of obvious) and have a file : ~/.amsn/no_splash created if we want to prevent the splash screen.. so it's a simple if [file exists].. no need to load config.. KKRT On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 05:31:56PM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote: This implies reading the config BEFORE hte splash gets loaded .. if you read the config you c an read the main windows' coords etc too. Karel. Op zondag 29-10-2006 om 18:09 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Youness Alaoui: Totally true, I agree with Karel, I didn't think about this topmost issue, but yeah, we should avoid that as it's FUCKING ANNOYING (;)). I like the idea of a link 'hide' in the splashscreen which could be clicked and would completly disappear without waiting for the program to finish loading... I wouldn't want people to have to click there everytime.. so maybe make it something like : Hide this splash screen Hide this splash screen and never show up again.. or something easier to understand.. or have a popup once amsn loads you hid the splash screen during amsn's loading, would you want to completly remove it for future sessions ? or something... KKRT On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 04:53:12PM +0100, NoWhereMan wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] about the splash if we do have a splash screen, make sure its one that you can hide by clicking (maybe even have a little hide link on it) or that other apps can go over, because splash screens that stay on top of everything are FUCKING ANNOYING and I would hate for amsn to become something people hate to run because ity has a FUCKING ANNOYING splash screen. Okay as long as thats clear :P that was *FUCKING* clear, LOL btw, the click-to-hide thing it's ok for me (if there's a text or there's not, it's the same, for me) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https
Re: [Amsn-devel] about the splash
click to close has the problem of a user might click on the splash unintentionally (I know I always click on anything when I'm waiting for something to finish) and when the splash disappears he might think well, it finished loading.. damn why isn't it showing yet?.. and about the topmost issue.. there's no way to put a window borderless without it being topmost.. the only way is to make it overrideredirect, which means that the WM doesn't manage the window at all, which means no stacking, which means topmost... KKRT On Mon, Oct 30, 2006 at 08:53:48PM +0100, NoWhereMan wrote: - Original Message - From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] about the splash Totally true, I agree with Karel, I didn't think about this topmost issue, but yeah, we should avoid that as it's FUCKING ANNOYING (;)). probably topmost it's not the way to go... a simple window without borders it's okay. it can splash, and gently looses focus when you click on another window. the click-to-close thing it's also a nice idea (better being able to click on the whole splash area, IMO, than having only an active text link) bye - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Audio and Video Assistant]
the webcam/audio capabilities. Have fun Karel. Op woensdag 25-10-2006 om 10:56 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Youness Alaoui: Hello, just wanted to send you this, as this is mainly your work. Maybe you'll be interested to help design, contribute, code, or just say good luck. I think your code is pretty good and I guess documented and modular enough for them to be easy to work on it, but just in case, maybe you'd like to explain how it works, I'll keep you informed if need be. Anyways, I hope you're doing ok and I hope hearing from you soon. Take care! KaKaRoTo - Forwarded message from Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To: amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. Report problems to http://sf.net/tracker/?func=addgroup_id=1atid=21 1.0 FORGED_RCVD_HELO Received: contains a forged HELO 0.1 RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL RBL: SORBS: sent directly from dynamic IP address [209.161.212.105 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] Subject: [Amsn-devel] Audio and Video Assistant X-BeenThere: amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Reply-To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net List-Id: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN amsn-devel.lists.sourceforge.net List-Unsubscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=amsn-devel List-Post: mailto:amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, This is to announce a new mini-project that needs to be worked on. It will be due for 0.97 of course. We need to finish the webcam assistant that Karel started. It's really the best windows aMSN currently has and it's really a shame to have it hidden that way. We need to finish it in order to make it available for the users... Moreover, we need an audio configuration tool... so my idea is to merge both, make the 'webcam assistant' into a 'Video and Audio Assistant'. I'm going to divide the work to two devels : Tom and Jonne. Tom already agreed to work on that, Jonne, I'll be waiting on your availability to know if you can work on this. Tom never used Tk extensively so it might be difficult for him to improve the assistant gui-wise, so he'll be working on providing some simple APIs to do all the basic stuff that needs to be done by the assistant. For example, he'll be wrapping the extensive api of snack into simple api like a getVolume and setVolume proc, instead of all the work on choosing which jack, which line, if mono or stereo, the balance for stereo, on which mixer device, etc... Jonne you'll be working on improving the GUI, and making sure it works.. For now, we can't get past step 2 if we don't have a cam plugged in, because it crashes... so this has to be fixed.. the webcam config is almost done, it just needs to be tweaked and bugfreed + enhanced for audio. Tell me if you agree, when you can start on this, what's your estimated on the work to be done and how much time you're willing to dedicate to this so we can have an idea of when to poke again to know if it's done or not. If anybody wants to join in or contribute in any other way, reply to this thread. p.s.: we might not some pixmaps for the GUI, but that will come after, so in the meantime, you can always just draw something stupid in 'paint' :p Thanks, KaKaRoTo - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - End forwarded message - - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists
Re: [Amsn-devel] [Fwd: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Audio and Video Assistant]]
On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 02:12:07PM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote:
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Hi,
First, thank you for taking the time to write this. There's a lot of info
on all of this and unless I missed something, I
agree with everything you said..
I won't make it long, so let's summarize it into these simple words :
you're the HIG/GUI expert!
p.s.: the current assistant has a 'checking extensions loaded' step... you
didn't talk about it in your specs below and I
agree that it shouldn't be there, the user doesn't need to know what
extensions are needed...
Indeed, this step is replaced by the checking if everythings needed is
present for starting the assistant before starting it.
cfr the *Before* starting the assista ... paragraph
Karel.
I know:) I said you didn't talk about it and I agree it shouldn't be there... I
just wanted to make sure others
understood that it should be dropped :)
KKRT
Thanks again,
KaKaRoTo
On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 01:07:09AM +0200, Karel Demeyer wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for involving me here. I'm not really interested in the coding
part, though I'd like to give some advice about my code and about the
GUI I'd like to see. I'm sure the idea I had back then wasn't good
code-wise nor UI-wise, therefor here my thoughts:
firstly I stopped the work as I wanted to redo do it but missed the
courage. I'd like to see an Assistant snit widget to be made so it's
easy to make such assistants in TCL/TK without much work. Once that is
done you can create more assistants, like to set up an account with all
the basic settings and so on. Though, it's easy to say without doing it
so I do'nt really care if this would be done or not.
GUI wise I have made a mockup (on paper) about how I would make the
assistant if I did it now, using the Gnome HID UI Guidelines, knowing
about the MAC (old and new) guidelines etc.
see:
http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/index.html
About how 1 set should look like, well, like I ddi it in the
code.
This is an exact copy of a GNOME HIG-respecting assistant (btw: this was
mentioned long ago when I made the code, assistant is a
'better' ('prefered'?) name for what a windows-guy would call a
wizard, this comes from the HIG too.)
Anyway, here's my plan:
*Before* starting the assistant itself, you should check if the needed
extensions are present and loaded and if a camera and/or audio device is
present. If these are NOT true, it's useless to start the assistant so
you should show an error box with a usefull message as in how to fix
this (only about the present problem, don't talk about missing cam or
extension, just say this is missing, this is what you should do,
eventually with a link to a page on the wiki. This window shouldn't
hold TOO MUCH text as otherwise people won't like to read it. Also, you
might make it nicer to see with an appropriate icon, but don't use an
icon implying a nuclear war or something, I mean, don't frighten your
users).
Once you're sure everything's ok to run teh assistant, show the FIRST
PAGE. This should be a Welcome message to tell the user what this steps
will be about. This page is NOT numbered (see my code).
The SECOND PAGE should be about the webcam choice. I think the way I
did it is OK, try to stick to this. Though, I remembered me putting a
border around the preview widget. I did this just because I could.
This isn't a good developper's attitude, so you might get rid of it :).
Using a canvas makes it easy to put things on it you might need though,
so think about this. I can't come up with a use for it now.
If no webcam is present this page should just show a message no webcam
device was found. Then teh next page should be teh audio settings (make
sure to call this page 2).
If a webcam was present and choosen, the next step is the webcam
finetuning, called step 2 (this makes it a bit more difficult to code as
the numering isn't hard coded, but makes a big difference in user
experience).
The finetuning should have the preview area at exactly the same
position, so if the user changes from step 1 to 2, it should be like
that part of the screen didn't change at all. instead of the 2
drop-down boxes, 4 sliders should be used instead. Ow, now I know why I
used the canvas. Error messages can
Re: [Amsn-devel] about the splash
Totally true, I agree with Karel, I didn't think about this topmost issue, but yeah, we should avoid that as it's FUCKING ANNOYING (;)). I like the idea of a link 'hide' in the splashscreen which could be clicked and would completly disappear without waiting for the program to finish loading... I wouldn't want people to have to click there everytime.. so maybe make it something like : Hide this splash screen Hide this splash screen and never show up again.. or something easier to understand.. or have a popup once amsn loads you hid the splash screen during amsn's loading, would you want to completly remove it for future sessions ? or something... KKRT On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 04:53:12PM +0100, NoWhereMan wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] about the splash if we do have a splash screen, make sure its one that you can hide by clicking (maybe even have a little hide link on it) or that other apps can go over, because splash screens that stay on top of everything are FUCKING ANNOYING and I would hate for amsn to become something people hate to run because ity has a FUCKING ANNOYING splash screen. Okay as long as thats clear :P that was *FUCKING* clear, LOL btw, the click-to-hide thing it's ok for me (if there's a text or there's not, it's the same, for me) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] about the splash
ok.. sorry I couldn't answer earlier... first, Thanks Karel for sharing your ideas... and NWM/harry/vivia for this thread.. but I just think it's useless talk... Karel, I understand what you're saying and you might be right about the splash screen not being effective... but how much of our GUI is following HIG? and I don't see how a progress bar, animated logo, debug loading XXX lines would change anything... in my experience, when a window loads, you can work with it... and what NWM said is 100% true, the X/Y position is a huge problem... putting those config in another place is just a hack and it would give us extra effort for nothing that is useless.. loading the config first is just plain stupid because the huge loading part IS the config itself... because as vivia said, we need to determine which config to load, check the ports, timeout, etc.. that's the part that takes most time... so no way to load config first... and as I said, I just can't imagine how it would be an empty amsn window with a 'please wait' in it.. doesn't fit in my head.. and if we want to keep the x/y/width/height configuration of the user (which are important) we can't do it this way.. is it easier for the usr to look at the amsn window, wait until it loads, mouse ready for clicking on connect, and it finished loading and bam all of a sudden the window is placed somewhere else with a different size.. the user will get lost...! Also.. to be able to load the menus, etc.. we'll probably need gui.tcl and maybe some other stuff, since gui.tcl depends on some other things (like status log, plugins (since a plugin can add something to the gui which depends on the plugin log, etc..) right now, the list of sourced files in the amsn file has a very specific order.. you switch that order, everything breaks.. so it might be too late that we show this 'amsn splash'... unless we refactor the whole bootstrap process... in my opinion.. a splash screen might not be the best solution, as Karel suggested... but it's not the worse either.. I prefer to have a splash than just nothing.. also, an alternate solution would require a massive amount of work, and we don't have anyone to work on that, which means, if we decide ok, forget the splash let's do it like Karel said then we'll end up in two years with someone posting on the forums why isn't there a splash screen then this discussion will begin AGAIN (YES, this is the second time I think that we got so close to having a splash screen and for whatever reason we didn't do anything...) Also, people are USED TO splash screens, so even if it's not the best, they won't be bothered that much since they know what a splash screen is and they are used to it.. so IMHO, we go with the splash screen solution as it is the one that needs the least time and effort and that is good enough to satisfy us and our users and which is the most likely to ever be implemented some day. We can't look for the best solution always.. we have to make compromises, otherwise, we won't advance... That was my 5c. KaKaRoTo On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 06:44:53PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: - Original Message - From: Vivia Nikolaidou [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or ... an earth spinning? :) Or something that will show the user that the program is alive. I agree with the idea: as long as it's moving, it's loading, alive, leave it alone, if there's an error print it underneath... If the program is really stuck you won't ever be able to print anything... :/ imagine you're stuck in a loop: a) the animation won't stop because the program *is* doing something (looping) b) you won't tell the user where it is actually stuck because you're in the loop (and the program is not aware of being stuck) if you're in a stage advanced enough, you'll probably be able to access the status log, but what if the status log has not been loaded yet? bye - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Amsn-devel] *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption
probably a corrupt DP.. maybe the user with that corrupt DP changed his DP so you stopped downloading it... read here : http://amsn.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1905 On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 03:43:05PM -0400, Madd Matt wrote: And as suddenly as the problem started, it has disappeared. Strange bug. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Splash thingie
Hello,
thx for this.. I think it's a good thing you found that on the wiki, I never
think of looking at the wiki... about the
gif problem it's because tkcximage is not loaded yet... so you might want to do
a source picture.tcl before the splash
thing.. this way tkcximage will be loaded... it would be nice if we could
overlay some text over it.. I think it can be
done pretty easily now since you use a canvas.. so just put a [canvas create
text $x $y -text ...] somewehre in there..
we could put a proc that does this, like splash_text {text } and we
wouldfirst create an empty text, and save it's
object id, then the splash_text would do a .splash.c itemconfigure $splash_text
-text $text ... the splash_text proc
would be called from every .tcl file we have, for config.tcl for example, we
could do splash_test [trans loading_config]
in skin.tcl, it would be splash_text [trans loading_skins], etc... the $x and
$y positions for the text would be preset
depending on the image.. and once the skin gets loaded, we could reload the
image from the skin and destroy/recreate the
text element in the canvas depending on the skin's keys splash_text_x and
splash_text_y... that involves a bit more
work that what you did and it's an optional thing but it would be nice!
so.. who volunteers to work on that.. who has time.. Tom maybe? :)
OT : And I'm still waiting to know who volunteers for the video/audio
assistant... come on, don't tell me everyone from
the team is tooo busy to work on some specific task... ???
KaKaRoTo
On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 06:46:28PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote:
(CC'ing from http://amsn.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1902 )
I already posted a bit of code here to do that (not mine), well took that I
got to work this crappy thing:
in amsn, line 96, add
source splash.tcl
splash_start skins/default/pixmaps/loganim.gif
-
line 273 (before cmsn_draw_main) add
-
splash_close 2500
-
2500 is the time to wait before the splash is destroyed (in msecs; you may
set it to 1000 or don't specify for 0)
now open up a new file and save it as splash.tcl; put these in there:
-
proc splash_start {imgfile } \
{
wm withdraw .
toplevel .splash
wm overrideredirect .splash 1
canvas .splash.c -highlightt 0 -border 0
if {[catch {image create photo splash -file $imgfile}]} \
{ error image $imgfile not found }
.splash.c create image 0 0 -anchor nw -image splash
foreach {- - width height} [.splash.c bbox all] break
.splash.c config -width $width -height $height
set wscreen [winfo screenwidth .splash]
set hscreen [winfo screenheight .splash]
set x [expr {($wscreen - $width) / 2}]
set y [expr {($hscreen - $height) / 2}]
wm geometry .splash +$x+$y
pack .splash.c
raise .splash
update
}
proc splash_close { {delay 0} }\
{
if {$delay 0} \
{ after $delay { destroy .splash; wm deiconify . } }
}
--
now amsn will show a crappy globe on startup (took from default skin; it's
not the globe itself to be crappy but the splash as it is :P)
I wanted to use the amsn banner which you have on the main site, but I
couldn't figure out how to make that work with images other than gif... I'm
sure you know how.
The real thing I'm not sure about regarding such an approach is that a skin
maker can't design his own splash; on the other hand if you let to do this,
the splash wouldn't be loaded enough early (parse skin xml and related
source files and so on) and therefore it would become completely useless
HTH
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Re: [Amsn-devel] Splash thingie
ok viv, no prob, we all understand. So I'll put you and tom as candidates for the fix. Tom also volunteered but since he hasn't touched to Tk yet I prefered to give the task to someone with enough knowledge in order to get the thing done fast and robust.. it's a really good GUI and I would prefer it to stay 'good', not 'looks nice but is buggy'... That's why I proposed that to someone else and left the low level api stuff to Tom. And that's also why I chose Jonne for the task, because I've seen how good he is with GUI. I hope someone else with a strong Tk knowledge will volunteer (I got nothing personal against you:p), if not, then you and Tom can always help each other in order to do this. It will also probably be very beneficial to you as you'll learn how to use Tk a little bit more and you'll be better in what you're doing. now.. that didn't answer who volunteers for the splash screen? :p KaKaRoTo On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 08:40:59PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: OT : And I'm still waiting to know who volunteers for the video/audio assistant... come on, don't tell me everyone from the team is tooo busy to work on some specific task... ??? I will hopefully have time after Nov 10th, two deadlines for that same day. Also, be aware that the greatest thing I've done on GUI is that slider on the webcam log, so I'll most probably be slow and buggy - which means, you will have to help me :P At least there is Karel's work to start from. So, I would REALLY prefer that someone else would do it. If nobody else volunteers until Nov 11th, and if I will really have time (one deadline isn't final), I will do it. Vivia - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Splash thingie
true, but I'm sure it can be fixed somehow.. like a file.. if config is off then a file gets created like ~/.amsn/no_splash if config is off, then the file is deleted... and it would be a global configuration... KKRT On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 08:50:21PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: - Original Message - From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] Splash thingie Hello, thx for this.. I think it's a good thing you found that on the wiki, I never think of looking at the wiki... about the gif problem it's because tkcximage is not loaded yet... so you might want to do a source picture.tcl before the splash thing.. this way tkcximage will be loaded... it would be nice if we could overlay some text over it.. [...] yeah, maybe that involves a bit more work that what you did and it's an optional thing but it would be nice! so.. who volunteers to work on that.. who has time.. Tom maybe? :) I've shown you the way, now... :P I remembered one thing: the other reason for what I was not sure about that, is that as it's shown at a very early stage of the loading process, it can't be turned off... (config has not been loaded yet); don't know if you mind, but it could be annoying for someone (not for me that I asked for it ;)) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
[Amsn-devel] IMPORTANT : connectivity check
Hi all, as the subject suggest, and as the commit log suggests, this is IMPORTANT.. Phil and I just implemented a 'connectivity checker'.. since we're all fed up with people telling us they're not firewalled but amsn thinks they are (most people) and that the conn_status plugin is a workaround but it's not a solution, it's just a workaround... The solution I've seen everywhere (and I've been reading azureus source code to see how they do it) is that we always need an external server to check our connection.. I never wanted to do it using SF servers because of the load and because of the instability of SF... Now that we got amsn-project server ,we can do this, and I wanted to get this into 0.96 as this is a show stopped.. it's a must have if we want to avoid problems.. and exhaustive support... The important thing is to test it correctly then we'll put it into the branch... it's a small feature with limited code and which uses the old system as a fallback... question though.. we use 5 seconds as a timeout of getting the answer from the website.. is it ok ? what should be the best in your opinion ? 5 seconds or 10 seconds ? (it doesn't freeze amsn during that time..) Last thing but not least, MONDAY, WE WILL TAG 0.96.. which means no more commits, no more nothing.. so get ready to enter the release phase!!! The website is almost done being migrated (thanks to Phil's work!) and the server seems to be secure enough.. KKRT - Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [7409] trunk/amsn/abook.tcl Revision: 7409 http://svn.sourceforge.net/amsn/?rev=7409view=rev Author: kakaroto Date: 2006-10-27 13:03:32 -0700 (Fri, 27 Oct 2006) Log Message: --- First implementation of the Tcl part of the connectivity checker... THIS HAS TO BE THOROUGHLY TESTED BECAUSE IT WILL GO INTO THE 0.96 BRANCH!! Modified Paths: -- trunk/amsn/abook.tcl - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Audio and Video Assistant
ok then, no prob, I understand, and I wish you good luck with your phd. Concerning the Assistant, who volunteers for doing the job ? or should I assign it to someone? KKRT On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 09:58:01AM +0200, Jonne Zutt wrote: Hmm... I'd like to help on this (though I don't have a webcam or even a working microphone at the moment), but I don't want to have this task assigned to me. My amsn working hours are totally not reliable at the moment. I'm in the last phase (several months to go, I hope) of finishing my phd (having quite a hard time with that), which means I should not have time at all actually. I think it's better to assign the task to somebody else, and I'll help whenever I'm available. Creating the gui does not sound too much of work, but I just don't want any responsibility at the moment, sorry. JeeBee. On Wed, 2006-10-25 at 10:50 -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: make the 'webcam assistant' into a 'Video and Audio Assistant'. I'm going to divide the work to two devels : Tom and Jonne. Tom already agreed to work on that, Jonne, I'll be waiting on your availability to know if you can work on this. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Optional Alternating Row Background In The CL
Ok, well, that seems to be a good idea, BUT... where do you plan on putting that ? the plugin selector window ? the skin selector window ? the contacts in the contact list ? that would be helpful.. 'cause you are saying 'in the CL' but I don't think that would be a good idea to alternate colors in the contact list... skin/plugin selector, definitely it would be nice... and btw, the CL is a text widget, from top to bottom... KKRT On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 06:31:20PM -0500, Daniel Buenfil wrote: On that thread I forgot to say that it'll be cool to let the skinner choose the alternating colors to match his/her skin… also, I think it is a better idea to keep it as a plugin so you don't have to rewrite something in the CL… I have tryed to make the plugin myself with no luck... as everytime I touch the code hehe =P. Thnx. On Oct 26, 2006, at 5:22 PM, Tom Hennigan wrote: Heya, http://forums.cocoaforge.com/viewtopic.php?p=76825 Do you think this would be a good idea?? - Tom ps. CF http://wiki.tcl.tk/9561 -- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
[Amsn-devel] Audio and Video Assistant
Hi, This is to announce a new mini-project that needs to be worked on. It will be due for 0.97 of course. We need to finish the webcam assistant that Karel started. It's really the best windows aMSN currently has and it's really a shame to have it hidden that way. We need to finish it in order to make it available for the users... Moreover, we need an audio configuration tool... so my idea is to merge both, make the 'webcam assistant' into a 'Video and Audio Assistant'. I'm going to divide the work to two devels : Tom and Jonne. Tom already agreed to work on that, Jonne, I'll be waiting on your availability to know if you can work on this. Tom never used Tk extensively so it might be difficult for him to improve the assistant gui-wise, so he'll be working on providing some simple APIs to do all the basic stuff that needs to be done by the assistant. For example, he'll be wrapping the extensive api of snack into simple api like a getVolume and setVolume proc, instead of all the work on choosing which jack, which line, if mono or stereo, the balance for stereo, on which mixer device, etc... Jonne you'll be working on improving the GUI, and making sure it works.. For now, we can't get past step 2 if we don't have a cam plugged in, because it crashes... so this has to be fixed.. the webcam config is almost done, it just needs to be tweaked and bugfreed + enhanced for audio. Tell me if you agree, when you can start on this, what's your estimated on the work to be done and how much time you're willing to dedicate to this so we can have an idea of when to poke again to know if it's done or not. If anybody wants to join in or contribute in any other way, reply to this thread. p.s.: we might not some pixmaps for the GUI, but that will come after, so in the meantime, you can always just draw something stupid in 'paint' :p Thanks, KaKaRoTo - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption
at ximapng.cpp:75 delete[] row_points; that's impossible... the row_pointers had been initialized to NULL at the start of the function and that line is called only if row_pointers is != NULL AND row_pointers is not accessed yet that early in the code... This is just plain impossible to happen.. I suspect something went wrong either with your libc or with your compilation, or gcc, or something... that's all I can guess.. maybe Phil can give you more info. Thanks for this very useful backtrace. KKRT On Wed, Oct 25, 2006 at 08:08:12PM -0400, Madd Matt wrote: Right. I built amsn with ./configure --enable-debug and ran gdb. The output from bt and bt full are both attached to this email. Should for whatever reason the attachments become lost, they are also at http://thewaffleproject.com/backtrace and http://thewaffleproject.com/backtrace-full Le Tuesday 24 October 2006 17:48, Youness Alaoui a écrit: NO, LEAVE IT AS IS. First, we need to find the CAUSE. So read the FAQ, give the BT and once we find the cause, we can start looking for solutions... KKRT - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default Skin
Thanks 'for spam' for the mail, it was constructive, although at the first I didn't like seeing it because I didn't want my mail to start a debate. Anyways, you just reminded me of something I think I forgot to say in my previous mail. don't worry it's short : If someone gives a comment and gets yelled at or if he just sees how the author is susceptible and doesn't accept his critic, most probably he won't give any more critics.. I'll answer that second mail of yours separately. KKRT On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 05:11:59AM -0400, for spam wrote: Gustavo no seas tan llorón. Lo que dice Youness es verdad. Una crítica es constructiva si la critica menciona y describe los errores, sin importar el énfasis despectivo que le agregue. (ejemplo, el colorbar apesta horrores, es un asco viejo) Una crítica no es constructiva si es fanática, sin fundamentos ni especificar en concreto cuál es el error o lléndose de tema. (ejemplo, sos un imbecil) Para finalizar, una crítica JAMAS es destructiva. Ofensiva, tal vez, descortés, puede ser; inutil jamás. Sos muy suceptible y tenés que aprender a aceptar críticas, porque está en vos en ver más allá de las críticas y llegar a la opinión útil para sacarle provecho. Suerte, Gus y no te desanimes. Dank --English Translation-- Gustavo, don't be wussy. What Youness said is true, a comment is constructive if the criticism shows and describes the errors, no matter the emphasis given. (eg, the colorbar has a stinky color, it's a piece of crap) A criticism is not constructive if it is fanatic and unfounded, not mentioning any details of the mistake or being offtopic. (eg, you suck) To wrap-up, a criticism NEVER is destructive. Offensive, maybe, unpolite, possibly; but never USELESS. You are too susceptible to criticism and you have to learn to accept it, because it is only in you to see through the critics and take advantage of the useful opinions. I wish you good luck Gus and do not give up. Dank On 10/24/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Relax gus, it was a CRITIC, if you want to be a good designer, graphic artist, you have to LEARN how to ACCEPT CRITICS, the dull/dirt/grubby (and who knows what more) are a description of the feel of the colorbar.. if they said I don't like it, you would have yelled that it's not a constructive comment because they didn't say what they disliked in it. If you intend to participate in improving the default skin, you have to learn to accept critics.. I thought we already discussed this a long time ago on IRC and I thought you learned your lesson, but it seems you didn't. AND I AM FED UP with all those messages you get 'I don't like this, but please don't take it the wrong way, I just want to help, but the rest of your work, I swear is great, you're a great man... there have already been a few on this mailing list in this thread, and I'm not even counting the numerous I swear you did a great job and please don't take my comment the wrong way that are on the forums.. you have a personality which says I just want to be praised and I refuse anything that says what I did is bad.. WAKE UP! this is a community here, we all work together, not one against the other, and if you want to be part of the community you have to let people speak AS THEY LIKE. If I want to tell you your work is crap, just toss it in the trash, it's worthless, I hate it, you should answer with ok, thx for letting me know your feeling, I'll try to make it better next time. Ask Lee, he had a huge load of disgustful critics and insults on his skin, yet he accepted them. It was painful and I understand that, but he was also mature enough to understand that it's how people felt with his skin. I DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE HYPOCRITE ANYMORE WITH GUS. If you hate something, tell him straight that colorbar is shit, if I see another hypocrite don't take it wrong message, I'll be yelling myself at the one who wrote it. Gus, you need to not take it the wrong way yourself without people explicitly saying it. Tom, you gave a constructive comment, and I prohibit you from apologizing to Gus, he has to learn one day on another to accept critics. Now Gus, you have two choices : 1 - Apologize for your bad temper and start being nicer 2 - ignore this mail, don't answer it until we straighten this thing out on private over MSN. Anyways, I also have other stuff to straighten out with you about the improved default skin. Now everyone.. nothing more to see, get back to work! KaKaRoTo On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 09:23:23PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote: 2006/10/23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One thing I'd say about the contact list is thwe divider between the top and bottom (the blue crystal bar thing) looks ugly to me - even though it's smaller than before. I think a thin grey line (possibly fading to either side) would suit your skin far better that bar to me just
Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default Skin
Thank you gus. I'm glad you're able to see it. I knew you would because you already showed me how mature you can be and how introspective you can get. So thanks. And this closes this discussion I guess. KaKaRoTo On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 10:36:36AM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote: Si, sé a lo que se refieren... trataré de no tomarlo como una ofensa porque sé que no lo es ok, i know what all means here... i will try to not take this as a wrong way/ofense i know that ins't. Tom, sorry... Thanks... 2006/10/24, for spam [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gustavo no seas tan llorón. Lo que dice Youness es verdad. Una crítica es constructiva si la critica menciona y describe los errores, sin importar el énfasis despectivo que le agregue. (ejemplo, el colorbar apesta horrores, es un asco viejo) Una crítica no es constructiva si es fanática, sin fundamentos ni especificar en concreto cuál es el error o lléndose de tema. (ejemplo, sos un imbecil) Para finalizar, una crítica JAMAS es destructiva. Ofensiva, tal vez, descortés, puede ser; inutil jamás. Sos muy suceptible y tenés que aprender a aceptar críticas, porque está en vos en ver más allá de las críticas y llegar a la opinión útil para sacarle provecho. Suerte, Gus y no te desanimes. Dank --English Translation-- Gustavo, don't be wussy. What Youness said is true, a comment is constructive if the criticism shows and describes the errors, no matter the emphasis given. (eg, the colorbar has a stinky color, it's a piece of crap) A criticism is not constructive if it is fanatic and unfounded, not mentioning any details of the mistake or being offtopic. (eg, you suck) To wrap-up, a criticism NEVER is destructive. Offensive, maybe, unpolite, possibly; but never USELESS. You are too susceptible to criticism and you have to learn to accept it, because it is only in you to see through the critics and take advantage of the useful opinions. I wish you good luck Gus and do not give up. Dank On 10/24/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Relax gus, it was a CRITIC, if you want to be a good designer, graphic artist, you have to LEARN how to ACCEPT CRITICS, the dull/dirt/grubby (and who knows what more) are a description of the feel of the colorbar.. if they said I don't like it, you would have yelled that it's not a constructive comment because they didn't say what they disliked in it. If you intend to participate in improving the default skin, you have to learn to accept critics.. I thought we already discussed this a long time ago on IRC and I thought you learned your lesson, but it seems you didn't. AND I AM FED UP with all those messages you get 'I don't like this, but please don't take it the wrong way, I just want to help, but the rest of your work, I swear is great, you're a great man... there have already been a few on this mailing list in this thread, and I'm not even counting the numerous I swear you did a great job and please don't take my comment the wrong way that are on the forums.. you have a personality which says I just want to be praised and I refuse anything that says what I did is bad.. WAKE UP! this is a community here, we all work together, not one against the other, and if you want to be part of the community you have to let people speak AS THEY LIKE. If I want to tell you your work is crap, just toss it in the trash, it's worthless, I hate it, you should answer with ok, thx for letting me know your feeling, I'll try to make it better next time. Ask Lee, he had a huge load of disgustful critics and insults on his skin, yet he accepted them. It was painful and I understand that, but he was also mature enough to understand that it's how people felt with his skin. I DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE HYPOCRITE ANYMORE WITH GUS. If you hate something, tell him straight that colorbar is shit, if I see another hypocrite don't take it wrong message, I'll be yelling myself at the one who wrote it. Gus, you need to not take it the wrong way yourself without people explicitly saying it. Tom, you gave a constructive comment, and I prohibit you from apologizing to Gus, he has to learn one day on another to accept critics. Now Gus, you have two choices : 1 - Apologize for your bad temper and start being nicer 2 - ignore this mail, don't answer it until we straighten this thing out on private over MSN. Anyways, I also have other stuff to straighten out with you about the improved default skin. Now everyone.. nothing more to see, get back to work! KaKaRoTo On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 09:23:23PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote: 2006/10/23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] : One thing I'd say about the contact list is thwe divider between the top and bottom (the blue crystal bar thing) looks ugly to me - even though it's smaller than before. I think a thin grey line (possibly fading
Re: [Amsn-devel] *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption
NO, LEAVE IT AS IS. First, we need to find the CAUSE. So read the FAQ, give the BT and once we find the cause, we can start looking for solutions... KKRT On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 01:06:31PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Madd Matt wrote: This has started happening to me as well. I can't see anything that caused it. I can no longer log on at all most of the time. After a bit it seems I can get as far as the UI starting to be drawn, but it crashes right before the contact list is drawn. Try disabling dp_in_cl and/or clearing your dp cache - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default Skin
Maybe gus is not used to the english idioms and expressions (I think I noticed that a couple of times where he misinterpreted something). And concerning pressure, yes I do know that Gus is going through a lot lately, and for that reason, I proposed to him to just take some time off and relax, but I think the best way to relax for him is to work on the skin. And about 'it is just how he is', I would saw that it is also valid. so he's being stressed + it's his nature :) (If anyone disagrees.. of course, say so) About that comment of being polite doesn't mean to be hypocrite. I agree, but we also say politeness is the most acceptable hypocrisy :) so it actually depends on our concepts, definitions of the term and our own interpretation :) If some words hurt someone, of course, you shouldn't use them anymore, but then in this case it wouldn't benefit Gus if he gets no replies at all about his skin :p It's just the over-abused use of 'sorry, please don't be mad at me because I try to help' that kept bothering me. I think the biggest way to show Gus how much his work is appreciated, is by looking at how many replies he gets.. the threads with most replies in the forums are for Gus's skins.. that shows an incredible support and appreciation of his work.. even my 'voice clips support' didn't do that many waves... KKRT On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 05:22:18AM -0400, for spam wrote: And I'd like to add, Tom wasn't even mean... So either Gus is not used to the English idioms and expressions, or maybe Gus is under some kind of pressure in the university or in his life... or it is just how he is... so as you said before, since it is a community some understanding and politeness would be grateful, isn't it...? (maybe some extra for some people) Being polite doesn't mean to be hypocrite. If you sense that some words hurts to some susceptible ones, well there is no justification to keep using it toward someone. Well, just an opinion, Dank On 10/24/06, for spam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gustavo no seas tan llorón. Lo que dice Youness es verdad. Una crítica es constructiva si la critica menciona y describe los errores, sin importar el énfasis despectivo que le agregue. (ejemplo, el colorbar apesta horrores, es un asco viejo) Una crítica no es constructiva si es fanática, sin fundamentos ni especificar en concreto cuál es el error o lléndose de tema. (ejemplo, sos un imbecil) Para finalizar, una crítica JAMAS es destructiva. Ofensiva, tal vez, descortés, puede ser; inutil jamás. Sos muy suceptible y tenés que aprender a aceptar críticas, porque está en vos en ver más allá de las críticas y llegar a la opinión útil para sacarle provecho. Suerte, Gus y no te desanimes. Dank --English Translation-- Gustavo, don't be wussy. What Youness said is true, a comment is constructive if the criticism shows and describes the errors, no matter the emphasis given. (eg, the colorbar has a stinky color, it's a piece of crap) A criticism is not constructive if it is fanatic and unfounded, not mentioning any details of the mistake or being offtopic. (eg, you suck) To wrap-up, a criticism NEVER is destructive. Offensive, maybe, unpolite, possibly; but never USELESS. You are too susceptible to criticism and you have to learn to accept it, because it is only in you to see through the critics and take advantage of the useful opinions. I wish you good luck Gus and do not give up. Dank On 10/24/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Relax gus, it was a CRITIC, if you want to be a good designer, graphic artist, you have to LEARN how to ACCEPT CRITICS, the dull/dirt/grubby (and who knows what more) are a description of the feel of the colorbar.. if they said I don't like it, you would have yelled that it's not a constructive comment because they didn't say what they disliked in it. If you intend to participate in improving the default skin, you have to learn to accept critics.. I thought we already discussed this a long time ago on IRC and I thought you learned your lesson, but it seems you didn't. AND I AM FED UP with all those messages you get 'I don't like this, but please don't take it the wrong way, I just want to help, but the rest of your work, I swear is great, you're a great man... there have already been a few on this mailing list in this thread, and I'm not even counting the numerous I swear you did a great job and please don't take my comment the wrong way that are on the forums.. you have a personality which says I just want to be praised and I refuse anything that says what I did is bad.. WAKE UP! this is a community here, we all work together, not one against the other, and if you want to be part of the community you have to let people speak AS THEY LIKE. If I want to tell you your work is crap, just toss it in the trash, it's worthless, I hate it, you should answer with ok, thx for letting
Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default Skin
I think too small is bad, there are some 'small icons' skins (was it cubic?) but I think a default one should have a good sized icons.. maybe in a future version we'll have many different icon sets that the user can choose from in a single skin, but for now, I think big (not huge, just the way they currently are) size for buddy icons is the way to go. KKRT On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 11:00:02AM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote: Yes, i am working on it too, thanks. Indeed in Emerald 2.0 are little more smaller. 2006/10/23, Arieh Schneier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I had this criticism about the previous default skin I think there were others out there that disagreed, but I thought I'd mention it again and see what others think. I find that the status icons are too large, they are double the height of the font and therefore half the number of 'friends' that can be visible on the screen at 1 time. If the status icon was made to the same height as the font you would find you could fit many more on the screen at once. Take for example your screen shot, it can only fit 9 people, if the icons were smaller I recon that 15 would easily fit into that area. Lio. - Original Message From: Gustavo A. Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED]- This is the actually work and progress of *Emerald 2.0*: [image...] Still there is much work to do, nothing is finally defined yet ;) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default Skin
screenshot where? ^o) On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 11:09:12AM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote: Agree with that... i just i made a little more smaller than previus version, see from yourselft in the screenshot. 2006/10/23, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think too small is bad, there are some 'small icons' skins (was it cubic?) but I think a default one should have a good sized icons.. maybe in a future version we'll have many different icon sets that the user can choose from in a single skin, but for now, I think big (not huge, just the way they currently are) size for buddy icons is the way to go. KKRT On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 11:00:02AM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote: Yes, i am working on it too, thanks. Indeed in Emerald 2.0 are little more smaller. 2006/10/23, Arieh Schneier [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I had this criticism about the previous default skin I think there were others out there that disagreed, but I thought I'd mention it again and see what others think. I find that the status icons are too large, they are double the height of the font and therefore half the number of 'friends' that can be visible on the screen at 1 time. If the status icon was made to the same height as the font you would find you could fit many more on the screen at once. Take for example your screen shot, it can only fit 9 people, if the icons were smaller I recon that 15 would easily fit into that area. Lio. - Original Message From: Gustavo A. Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This is the actually work and progress of *Emerald 2.0*: [image...] Still there is much work to do, nothing is finally defined yet ;) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default Skin
No, what I meant is that you could (if you want to) have the 'default' skin, which would be 'emerald 2.0' and you could have a 'emerald 2.0 Gus version' which would be like when a movie is released in 'director's cut' version.. which would be what the graphics artist really wanted, your own view of how your skin should look to please you, not to please 'everyone'... anyways, it's not important. KKRt On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 11:26:22AM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote: 2006/10/23, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, as miguel said, De gustasomething non se discusomething.. :p You can't argue about the tastes... I like the screen.. well, I didn't like it before, on the screenshots, but when I tried emerald on my amsn, it didn't look that bad.. but anyways, if the general opinion is that without is better, then go for it.I definitely agree. Btw, Gus, do you want to release this new default skin and start on new skins, or do you plan to still have an 'emerald' skin maintained ? kind of a 'direct's cut of the default skin, where you would do it your own way (like, have the screen and the colorbar you want, etc..) Mmm i have not clear what you mean... if still the name will be Emerald? or the default skin should be re-named? i dont get it... i thought i was designing Emerald 2.0 to be default skin... - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default Skin
Relax gus, it was a CRITIC, if you want to be a good designer, graphic artist, you have to LEARN how to ACCEPT CRITICS, the dull/dirt/grubby (and who knows what more) are a description of the feel of the colorbar.. if they said I don't like it, you would have yelled that it's not a constructive comment because they didn't say what they disliked in it. If you intend to participate in improving the default skin, you have to learn to accept critics.. I thought we already discussed this a long time ago on IRC and I thought you learned your lesson, but it seems you didn't. AND I AM FED UP with all those messages you get 'I don't like this, but please don't take it the wrong way, I just want to help, but the rest of your work, I swear is great, you're a great man... there have already been a few on this mailing list in this thread, and I'm not even counting the numerous I swear you did a great job and please don't take my comment the wrong way that are on the forums.. you have a personality which says I just want to be praised and I refuse anything that says what I did is bad.. WAKE UP! this is a community here, we all work together, not one against the other, and if you want to be part of the community you have to let people speak AS THEY LIKE. If I want to tell you your work is crap, just toss it in the trash, it's worthless, I hate it, you should answer with ok, thx for letting me know your feeling, I'll try to make it better next time. Ask Lee, he had a huge load of disgustful critics and insults on his skin, yet he accepted them. It was painful and I understand that, but he was also mature enough to understand that it's how people felt with his skin. I DO NOT WANT ANYONE TO BE HYPOCRITE ANYMORE WITH GUS. If you hate something, tell him straight that colorbar is shit, if I see another hypocrite don't take it wrong message, I'll be yelling myself at the one who wrote it. Gus, you need to not take it the wrong way yourself without people explicitly saying it. Tom, you gave a constructive comment, and I prohibit you from apologizing to Gus, he has to learn one day on another to accept critics. Now Gus, you have two choices : 1 - Apologize for your bad temper and start being nicer 2 - ignore this mail, don't answer it until we straighten this thing out on private over MSN. Anyways, I also have other stuff to straighten out with you about the improved default skin. Now everyone.. nothing more to see, get back to work! KaKaRoTo On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 09:23:23PM -0300, Gustavo A. Díaz wrote: 2006/10/23, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: One thing I'd say about the contact list is thwe divider between the top and bottom (the blue crystal bar thing) looks ugly to me - even though it's smaller than before. I think a thin grey line (possibly fading to either side) would suit your skin far better that bar to me just looks chunky and out of place (the drop shadow especially gives it a dull/dirty/grubby look) Just my opinion :) I do like the buddy icons though :) Btw, how are you having a background image on the menubar? I hope you realise we cant use pixmapmenu :P Tom ... Something i forgot to say because i was hurry, like i don't like to keep things Please give constructive suggestion, not destructive ones... if you dislike the colorbar, will be enought to say i dislike it, does not go with the skin, etc etc etc. Not dull/dirty/grubby/uggly/chunky [...] and who knows what more... Maybe is to much to ask? Just my opinion :) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption
I ALREADY ANSWERED Salatiel ABOUT THIS.. how to give a backtrace is written in the FAQ... KKRT On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 05:29:24PM -0400, Madd Matt wrote: This has started happening to me as well. I can't see anything that caused it. I can no longer log on at all most of the time. After a bit it seems I can get as far as the UI starting to be drawn, but it crashes right before the contact list is drawn. Is there anything I can do to help isolate the problem? On 10/22/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, but then it said Aborted.. so it's a 'managed segfault'... KKRT On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 02:14:57PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: Op zondag 22 oktober 2006 04:22, schreef Salatiel Filho: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08b42270 *** == Segmentation fault ? It is not exactly the same, but it is related. It is like glibc detects a memory management problem, and handles it to avoid a real segfault. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default Skin
Cool, this looks indeed a lot better. I see you applied some of my suggestions :p I don't know why you removed that Pc screen for the DP frame, I like it, it gave a nice feel to the app.. apart from that, all looks god! KKRT On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 03:34:15PM +0200, Peter Johansson wrote: On 10/22/06, Gustavo A. Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the actually work and progress of *Emerald 2.0*: [image: Emerald-2.0] Still there is much work to do, nothing is finally defined yet ;) -- -- *Gustavo A. Díaz * GDNet Projects www.gdnet.com.ar Prof. y Soporte Técnico UTN www.frba.utn.edu.ar (Universidad Tecnológica Nacional) *Cel:* (011)15-5526-1264 [image: FirmaEmail] - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel I do like this alot better than the first version of Emerald, and iam looking forward further progress. Nice done guys - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption
yes, but then it said Aborted.. so it's a 'managed segfault'... KKRT On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 02:14:57PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: Op zondag 22 oktober 2006 04:22, schreef Salatiel Filho: *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08b42270 *** == Segmentation fault ? It is not exactly the same, but it is related. It is like glibc detects a memory management problem, and handles it to avoid a real segfault. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default Skin
well, I do like the screen, it's not too big, too agressive, it's nice and gives a nice feeling. So I would vote for it to be put back. What do others think ? KKRT On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 10:14:39PM -0300, Gustavo A. Diaz wrote: Yes, i am just testing, should i add it again (improved of course) ? What do you think guys? (if you dont remember how it was, test Emerald-1.0) Thanks. Youness Alaoui escribió: Cool, this looks indeed a lot better. I see you applied some of my suggestions :p I don't know why you removed that Pc screen for the DP frame, I like it, it gave a nice feel to the app.. apart from that, all looks god! KKRT On Sun, Oct 22, 2006 at 03:34:15PM +0200, Peter Johansson wrote: On 10/22/06, Gustavo A. Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the actually work and progress of *Emerald 2.0*: [image: Emerald-2.0] Still there is much work to do, nothing is finally defined yet ;) -- -- *Gustavo A. Díaz * GDNet Projects www.gdnet.com.ar Prof. y Soporte Técnico UTN www.frba.utn.edu.ar (Universidad Tecnológica Nacional) *Cel:* (011)15-5526-1264 [image: FirmaEmail] - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel I do like this alot better than the first version of Emerald, and iam looking forward further progress. Nice done guys - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel -- */Gustavo A. Díaz/ * GDNet Projects www.gdnet.com.ar http://www.gdnet.com.ar Prof. y Soporte Técnico UTN www.frba.utn.edu.ar http://www.frba.utn.edu.ar/ (Universidad Tecnológica Nacional) *Cel:* (011)15-5526-1264 FirmaEmail - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
[Amsn-devel] OT : [EMAIL PROTECTED] passed away
I just saw the global announcement on IRC.. it says : -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, we've had quite a few people asking whether the memorial site for Rob Levin (lilo) is online yet, and I am happy to inform you all that you can now leave your condolences and read what others have to say over at http://lilo.freenode.net Have a good evening and thank you for using freenode! I never spoke to 'lilo' but I always saw all of his global notice messages and knew he was behind the freenode network. it's a shock to know someone you 'knew' passed away and in such a terrible, fast and unpredictable manner (got hit by a car) and it reminds us of how fragile life is and that it could happen to anyone, anytime... I don't know if any of you knew lilo more personally or spoke to him, but here I thought I would pass on the news to anyone interested. RIP Rob Levin. KaKaRoTo - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default Skin
well, since we got time until 0.97, I think it would be nice to have a new skin for all platforms.. if we go with emerald modified (renamed into default in this case, like we renamed 'stylistic' into 'default'), it will probably be for windows and linux (I wouldn't want to separate the platforms even more), and for mac, if Jerome thinks that the new default is still not suited for Mac, I'm sure he can get a pretty exhaustive lists of what would be the best (mainly as what should be modified in the new default for it to become more 'mac-ish') and I'm also pretty sure that Gus will be pleased into modding the skin for mac... This way, the 0.97 of amsn will have a newer, better look, even for Mac. that's my 2c. KKRT On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 10:36:32AM +0200, Boris Faure (aka billiob) wrote: nothing attached :D On 10/21/06, Tom Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that it would be nice to have a new default skin for aMSN Mac 0.97. How about using aDarwin V.5. I've attached a screenshot of it so you can see. I think it's a really nice skin! Maybe a vote on Cocoaforge could be used to decide.. - Tom On 21 Oct 2006, at 08:41, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: Then the question is For linux/windows Do you keep the default skin Do you take the Emerald skin. That's all I want to know and this is the decision to make. Jérôme Blog: http://j-mac-blog.blogspot.com Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iChat AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: germinator5000 Le 20 octobre 2006 à 21:30, Youness Alaoui a écrit : I perfectly agree, 0.97 would be nice! thx Gus for letting us know. I don't remember if the 'skin contest' discussion was ever finished, but in the end the decision was that we would drop the contest idea and instead just design a new skin that would be aimed at replacing the default one. The Emerald skin is really promising and many users on the forums already seem to have voted for it (even before the idea of contest was proposed). I gave a few suggestions, you'll find them here: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1508start=75 I suggest you all test the skin, then write down your own suggestions THEN read mine... please give feedback to Lee and Gus in order to have everything they need for creating this new skin that would become our new default... reasons for dropping the contest : 1 - we never had the users vote for the current default skin 2 - not everyone will be happy, right ? 3 - if you hate the skin, you can change it, if you don't like it, you'll eventually get used to it and love it. 4 - will be a huge waste of time 5 - etc... KKRT On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 09:35:04PM -0500, Lee Olson wrote: On 10/20/06, Gustavo A. Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone! This email is most to inform all devs (KKRT of course you allready know now ;)) that Bæåst and Me ([GuS] or GuS-Arg in the forums) we are designing a new (pretend to be) Default skin, and using as base the Emerald-1.0 Skin i made (because i have all SVG graphics as source and is more easy to improve it). So, we are taking every icon/graphic, one by one to analize in what is necesary to change/improve or create. When a first version of this comes out, we will let you know. After that we could listen for suggestion of devs and users, maintaining of course the basic Idea that is for a default Skin. The question is, should this work must be added to 0.96 final version or 0.97SVN? I think the new skin should be released with 0.97 so we can release 0.96 as soon as possible. What's left to do before the 0.96 release? A new skin will highlight the idea of the new features in 0.97. ~Lee Cheers. -- Gustavo A. Díaz GDNet Projects www.gdnet.com.ar Prof. y Soporte Técnico UTN www.frba.utn.edu.ar (Universidad Tecnológica Nacional) Cel: (011)15-5526-1264 - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid
Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default Skin
Yeah it's nice, I liked the darwin skin, I even used it for a while.. but I don't know if you even tried Emerald, but it's really different.. I'm not the kind of guy who cares about the look, and I don't bother changing the skin I use, and I also usually don't like changes, but I have to admit that even if it's not my 'style', the emerald skin will look really good for the majority of our users.. it has a more professional touch to it. Try it, then we'll talk :p KKRT On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 10:35:50AM +0100, Tom Hennigan wrote: Sorry it keeps bouncing with the ss attached, so here's a link :-) http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/5189/picture1pz9.jpg On 21 Oct 2006, at 09:36, Boris Faure (aka billiob) wrote: nothing attached :D On 10/21/06, Tom Hennigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that it would be nice to have a new default skin for aMSN Mac 0.97. How about using aDarwin V.5. I've attached a screenshot of it so you can see. I think it's a really nice skin! Maybe a vote on Cocoaforge could be used to decide.. - Tom On 21 Oct 2006, at 08:41, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: Then the question is For linux/windows Do you keep the default skin Do you take the Emerald skin. That's all I want to know and this is the decision to make. Jérôme Blog: http://j-mac-blog.blogspot.com Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iChat AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: germinator5000 Le 20 octobre 2006 à 21:30, Youness Alaoui a écrit : I perfectly agree, 0.97 would be nice! thx Gus for letting us know. I don't remember if the 'skin contest' discussion was ever finished, but in the end the decision was that we would drop the contest idea and instead just design a new skin that would be aimed at replacing the default one. The Emerald skin is really promising and many users on the forums already seem to have voted for it (even before the idea of contest was proposed). I gave a few suggestions, you'll find them here: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1508start=75 I suggest you all test the skin, then write down your own suggestions THEN read mine... please give feedback to Lee and Gus in order to have everything they need for creating this new skin that would become our new default... reasons for dropping the contest : 1 - we never had the users vote for the current default skin 2 - not everyone will be happy, right ? 3 - if you hate the skin, you can change it, if you don't like it, you'll eventually get used to it and love it. 4 - will be a huge waste of time 5 - etc... KKRT On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 09:35:04PM -0500, Lee Olson wrote: On 10/20/06, Gustavo A. Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone! This email is most to inform all devs (KKRT of course you allready know now ;)) that Bæåst and Me ([GuS] or GuS-Arg in the forums) we are designing a new (pretend to be) Default skin, and using as base the Emerald-1.0 Skin i made (because i have all SVG graphics as source and is more easy to improve it). So, we are taking every icon/graphic, one by one to analize in what is necesary to change/improve or create. When a first version of this comes out, we will let you know. After that we could listen for suggestion of devs and users, maintaining of course the basic Idea that is for a default Skin. The question is, should this work must be added to 0.96 final version or 0.97SVN? I think the new skin should be released with 0.97 so we can release 0.96 as soon as possible. What's left to do before the 0.96 release? A new skin will highlight the idea of the new features in 0.97. ~Lee Cheers. -- Gustavo A. Díaz GDNet Projects www.gdnet.com.ar Prof. y Soporte Técnico UTN www.frba.utn.edu.ar (Universidad Tecnológica Nacional) Cel: (011)15-5526-1264 - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as
Re: [Amsn-devel] *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption
read the FAQ, it tells you how to send a bug report with gdb when there's a segmentation fault. also, it would be usefull if you said what you were doing when it happens... webcam/voice ? + maybe this should go in the forums instead... KKRT On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 08:39:30PM -0200, Salatiel Filho wrote: I've updated to SVN today and i'm getting a lot of crashes with # amsn *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08b42270 *** Aborted # any ideas ? -- []'s Salatiel O maior prazer do inteligente é bancar o idiota diante de um idiota que banca o inteligente. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] msn python client (msnp13)
lol, wasn't gonna say this, but was going to say this should NOT become a gtk vs. tk thread :p i know gtk integrates well in your desktop, but it's not nicer than tk if it's not well used.. and btw, you do see what difference chameleon does.. and all it does is change some of the dialogs, but the CL and the CW don't change at all.. and that's what we use mainly with amsn (+the menus).. anyways, I don't care. And I don't use kde/gnome so that's why I don't have this 'integration' issue ;) KKRT On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 02:24:21PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: - Original Message - From: NoWhereMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] oh, I must add, before than Kakaroto kills me, that I love to be able to skin aMsn ;) ha-ha, stopped you from before you could yell use that damn python-thing, then! :D:D - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [7374] trunk/amsn/utils/webcamsn/src/kidhash.c
cool.. just make sure you tested it... a set ::test_webcam_reflector 1] will make it use the refelctor even if you're not firewalled... not sure about the varname, verify with grep reflector * | grep test windows/linux users should also make sure my changes doesn't break anything... also test the voice clips! KKRT On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 07:11:44AM +0100, Tom Hennigan wrote: Log Message: --- kid hash algorithm now compatible with Big endian systems.. in other words, now Mac users can also use the reflector... Yay :D. I'll post an updated build of webcamsn.dylib when I get home! Hopefully we'll now get far less oh my router doesn't work and I don't know why questions on the forum! Many thanks, - Tom Also fixed a few small bugs with it... (might be the reason why some webcam sessions didn't work even through reflector...) Modified Paths: -- trunk/amsn/utils/webcamsn/src/kidhash.c Modified: trunk/amsn/utils/webcamsn/src/kidhash.c === --- trunk/amsn/utils/webcamsn/src/kidhash.c 2006-10-20 00:01:15 UTC (rev 7373) +++ trunk/amsn/utils/webcamsn/src/kidhash.c 2006-10-20 03:39:22 UTC (rev 7374) @@ -22,10 +22,35 @@ [Cut...] - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] msn python client (msnp13)
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 06:39:15PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: - Original Message - From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] lol, wasn't gonna say this, but was going to say this should NOT become a gtk vs. tk thread :p sure :p i know gtk integrates well in your desktop, but it's not nicer than tk if it's not well used.. i do see your point. your gui is quite well designed, of course :) Gaim's GUI is crap :p and btw, you do see what difference chameleon does.. and all it does is change some of the dialogs, but the CL and the CW don't change at all.. if you use chameleon you may (quite) say the only thing really ugly about tk is the antialiasing thing. and that it is not native XD Tk 8.5 has AA fonts... and that's what we use mainly with amsn (+the menus).. anyways, I don't care. And I don't use kde/gnome so that's why I don't have this 'integration' issue ;) well... whatever WM you use, a graphic toolkit is being used, so unless you're on NeXT, your apps are using either gtk or qt... no escape (apart from tk ;)) bye Well, I use enlightenment, so it's not gtk/qt, and the apps I use.. well, apart from xterm, gkrellm and amsn, I don't use any ... so the only toolkit I see is X (xterm/gkrellm uses which toolkit?) and tk... which is why I never thought tk was ugly... actually, the qt/gtk apps I usually avoid because they force the loading of kde_launcher and gnome-shit and stuff... which I hate :p (I like to do a 'ps fax' and know that I'm the one who launched each of the processes...) KKRT - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Fw: msn python client (msnp13)
Yes I know I'm the 'only' one for who the integration doesn't apply.. which is why I say I can't understand you, not you are wrong :p btw, I use windows nowadays and I can see the diff, but it's only if we open a dialog (prefs, blabla) but for the most part, tk looks nice (I know, the look and feel of tk widgets in windows is better than in linux) KKRT On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 07:07:05PM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: GTK can be ugly if you use an ugly skin, Tk is not skinnable and is always ugly... And then there is the integration issue, for which you are nearly the only one who doesn' t have that problem. Op vrijdag 20 oktober 2006 01:58, schreef Youness Alaoui: beurk, and they say Tk is uglier than GTK... this only proves that our GUI is crap not because of the toolkit we use but instead because of the design of the GUI... KKRT On Thu, Oct 19, 2006 at 09:01:27PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: I think you would have been interested... :) http://sourceforge.net/projects/emesene/ bye -- _/\/o\/\/here/\/\an_ NoWhereBlog: www.nowhereland.it deviantArt: http://nowhereland.deviantart.com - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] [Amsn-commits] SF.net SVN: amsn: [7374] trunk/amsn/utils/webcamsn/src/kidhash.c
ok, well, let's hope Jerome wil be able to do it, 'cause I don't have time.. another exam monday, then too much work + studies.. for the next few days/weeks, I'll be a ghost again... at least with development... KKRT On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 06:26:02PM +0100, Tom Hennigan wrote: Lol thats the correct var :-) However for some reason I'm getting errors building amsn. I'll leave my server on so if you want youness, you can try building it. But I need to go out for a meeting now, I'll be back later on tonight, and I'll give it a shot then. On 20 Oct 2006, at 15:51, Youness Alaoui wrote: cool.. just make sure you tested it... a set ::test_webcam_reflector 1] will make it use the refelctor even if you're not firewalled... not sure about the varname, verify with grep reflector * | grep test windows/linux users should also make sure my changes doesn't break anything... also test the voice clips! KKRT On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 07:11:44AM +0100, Tom Hennigan wrote: Log Message: --- kid hash algorithm now compatible with Big endian systems.. in other words, now Mac users can also use the reflector... Yay :D. I'll post an updated build of webcamsn.dylib when I get home! Hopefully we'll now get far less oh my router doesn't work and I don't know why questions on the forum! Many thanks, - Tom Also fixed a few small bugs with it... (might be the reason why some webcam sessions didn't work even through reflector...) Modified Paths: -- trunk/amsn/utils/webcamsn/src/kidhash.c Modified: trunk/amsn/utils/webcamsn/src/kidhash.c === --- trunk/amsn/utils/webcamsn/src/kidhash.c 2006-10-20 00:01:15 UTC (rev 7373) +++ trunk/amsn/utils/webcamsn/src/kidhash.c 2006-10-20 03:39:22 UTC (rev 7374) @@ -22,10 +22,35 @@ [Cut...] - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel -- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] New Default Skin
I perfectly agree, 0.97 would be nice! thx Gus for letting us know. I don't remember if the 'skin contest' discussion was ever finished, but in the end the decision was that we would drop the contest idea and instead just design a new skin that would be aimed at replacing the default one. The Emerald skin is really promising and many users on the forums already seem to have voted for it (even before the idea of contest was proposed). I gave a few suggestions, you'll find them here: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1508start=75 I suggest you all test the skin, then write down your own suggestions THEN read mine... please give feedback to Lee and Gus in order to have everything they need for creating this new skin that would become our new default... reasons for dropping the contest : 1 - we never had the users vote for the current default skin 2 - not everyone will be happy, right ? 3 - if you hate the skin, you can change it, if you don't like it, you'll eventually get used to it and love it. 4 - will be a huge waste of time 5 - etc... KKRT On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 09:35:04PM -0500, Lee Olson wrote: On 10/20/06, Gustavo A. Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone! This email is most to inform all devs (KKRT of course you allready know now ;)) that Bæåst and Me ([GuS] or GuS-Arg in the forums) we are designing a new (pretend to be) Default skin, and using as base the Emerald-1.0 Skin i made (because i have all SVG graphics as source and is more easy to improve it). So, we are taking every icon/graphic, one by one to analize in what is necesary to change/improve or create. When a first version of this comes out, we will let you know. After that we could listen for suggestion of devs and users, maintaining of course the basic Idea that is for a default Skin. The question is, should this work must be added to 0.96 final version or 0.97SVN? I think the new skin should be released with 0.97 so we can release 0.96 as soon as possible. What's left to do before the 0.96 release? A new skin will highlight the idea of the new features in 0.97. ~Lee Cheers. -- Gustavo A. Díaz GDNet Projects www.gdnet.com.ar Prof. y Soporte Técnico UTN www.frba.utn.edu.ar (Universidad Tecnológica Nacional) Cel: (011)15-5526-1264 - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] WLM-like login screen
ll, I can't beleive receiving this email when I was
thinking about answering
vivia' mail with ok, you want a specific task, this is one thing I really want
and I would want
someone to be assigned to do it... man, stop reading my mind please :p
anyways, this looks good, but the remember_me option is not necessary in the
xml, if you don't
want to remember the user, then why write it in the xml at all ?
also, the password and last_dp path ? is it necessary to have those in the xml?
or shouldn't we
just load the config.xml file of a user once you select his profile and that
should load the
last dp and password in config() ...
in the end, there's nothing more necessary in the xml, so we might as well keep
it as a
one-line-per-profile file...
anyways, I was going to do some proof of concept once I get home, let me put
those in writing
too :
same idea as WLM, login box editable, when profile selected, should switch
automatically, etc...
the remember me button, msg_box asking to confirm, if yes, another msg_box with
:
You have :
10MB of conversation logs
250MB of webcam logs
100MB of cached display pictures
200KB of cached voice clips
Do you want to also purge your profile's settings and logs (they will be
definitly lost) ?
yes | no
how about that ? about the code, I think it will be doable without heavy
modification of the
current code (not including the new code) as the login screen/profile thingy is
small and not
too spaghetti with the rest of the code.
are you designing it or willing to code it ?
thanx
KKRT
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 09:07:52AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I have been thinking a little about ways of doing our login screen the
same way as Windows Live Messenger (display pic at top if
cached/whatever, box for username and password, checkboxes for
remember me and remember my password, button to 'forget me', etc etc)
and I'll just share my thoughts below (I dont have time yet to
actually code anything):
Instead of 'profiles' file in .amsn dir, we need a profiles.xml file
that looks something like this:
profiles
profile
email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/email
remember_me0/remember_me
remember_pass0/remember_pass
last_display_pic/path/to/display/pic/last_display_pic
/profile
profile
email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/email
remember_me1/remember_me
remember_pass1/remember_pass
last_display_pic/path/to/display/pic/last_display_pic
/profile
profile
email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/email
remember_me1/remember_me
remember_pass0/remember_pass
last_display_pic/path/to/display/pic/last_display_pic
/profile
/profiles
We'd also need some procs with good names like so (I might be
duplcating ones we already have here, I dont know what we've already
got):
*CreateProfile(email, remember_me, remember_pass)
*GetProfiles() (reads xml file, returns list of profiles)
*GetProfileSettings (reads array of profiles to get settings)
Hmm or maybe we'd be better off with an object:
code for snit object to store profile settings
proc CreateProfile { email, rememberme, rememberpass }
{
set profile [profile newProfile -email $email -rememberme
$rememberme -rememberpass $rememberpass]
puts -nonewline got profile with email: $email
writeProfileXML $email $rm $rp
return $profile
}
set profile [CreateProfile [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0 0]
then to get settings you can simply $profile cget -email or whatever
Thats just a couple of rough ideas that I wanted to get down on paper,
add to them if you like or whatever :)
Tom
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Re: [Amsn-devel] TIP 278: does it cause any breakage?
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 11:45:39AM -0300, miguel wrote:
Jonne Zutt wrote:
Damn, I followed your advice and starting adding global's, instead of
modifying var to ::var. However, after deleting all changes I made
yesterday (silly me :@) and adding several global's, I figured out
that does not work.
The idea of the tip apparently is that the global and variable
commands will disappear. Global will not have any effect anymore.
Where a variable is stored can be seen completely from the variable
name.
No - 'global' and 'variable' will stay. Where did you get that from?
There is actually another tip that looks to specifying currently
unspecified behaviour for them (http://www.tcl.tk/cgi-bin/tct/tip/276),
but that is irrelevant to TIP 278.
In terms of clarity, maintainability and performance, the variable
linking commands (global, variable, upvar, the new namespace upvar) are
possibly the best choice.
I agree :)
but I'd like to suggest something.. instead of doing $::varname I
think it would be best to use global varname; $varname ...and
especially for namespace vars.. the reason imagine you have a
namespace MSN { $::MSN::protocol_version } and now we add multi
protocol and we want namespace ::protocols::MSN {
$::protocols::MSN::protocol_version } ... well, if we have hundreds
of vars everywhere, we'd need to replace each one.. with 'variable'
we won't need to...
Right: the maintainability issue I hinted at above.
We should use relative names as much as possible. That way your above
remark is still valid. But as for the initialize_amsn, it really
must become ::initialize_amsn, there's no other way.
Or else (just showing, not suggesting in this particular case as it is
possibly overkill for a var that will not be used very often):
# Some config file somewhere
set ::moduleNS ::some::deep::namespaced::module
# much later, maybe some sourced file
namespace eval $::moduleNS {
upvar #0 initialize_amsn init
proc reinit {} {variable init; ...; set init(thisModule) 1}
if {!$init(thisModule)} reinit
...
}
yeah, overkill, and especially, why go through all that throuble if you're
going to use global
and variable? But I still get the idea...
anyways, in our case, we never (or almost?) use a variable outside of its own
namespace, it's a
bad coding habit btw. if there's need, it's best to use getters/setters.
When using relative names, we can add variable varname so that it
works right now as well, and I can already commit those.
Yes, that is the way to go if it is a relative name starting at
[namespace current].
% namespace eval a {
namespace eval b {variable x 1}
proc w {} {variable b::x; set x}
}
% a::w
1
What I think is the best is: for variables that are to be used more than
once or twice, just link them to some local var using global, variable,
upvar or namespace upvar. Then address the local var - it works as an
alias. As illustrated above.
The advantages are: clarity (no $::long::name::chains::to::simplevar,
just $simplevar), speed (access to linked vars is very fast, faster than
fully qualified names), maintainability (if you change a namespace path,
you do not have it all over the place).
HTH.
Miguel
Yeah, I fully agree with what you said so far.
PS1: guys, thanks for doing this with so much energy! As you are doing
the cleanup, I'd love to know how much had to be changed in the end.
lol, not sure.. Jonne did work on it, and the thx goes to him, but we aren't
giving too
much energy on that, unfortunately, not as much as I would have wanted.. and
I'm also to blame,
I didn't test the tip either :$
PS2: those suggestions there should be interpreted as expressing my
personal preference - aesthetics and all that. De gustibus non est
disputandum :)
ouhh latin.. fortunetly enough, it looks a bit like french in this expression
and I understood
it.. I'm so proud of myself :D
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Re: [Amsn-devel] WLM-like login screen
On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 10:22:12PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/17/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ll, I can't beleive receiving this email when I was thinking about answering vivia' mail with ok, you want a specific task, this is one thing I really want and I would want someone to be assigned to do it... man, stop reading my mind please :p anyways, this looks good, but the remember_me option is not necessary in the xml, if you don't want to remember the user, then why write it in the xml at all ? also, the password and last_dp path ? is it necessary to have those in the xml? or shouldn't we just load the config.xml file of a user once you select his profile and that should load the last dp and password in config() ... in the end, there's nothing more necessary in the xml, so we might as well keep it as a one-line-per-profile file... yeah I remembered that after I sent the mail :P anyways, I was going to do some proof of concept once I get home, let me put those in writing too : same idea as WLM, login box editable, when profile selected, should switch automatically, etc... the remember me button, msg_box asking to confirm, if yes, another msg_box with : You have : 10MB of conversation logs 250MB of webcam logs 100MB of cached display pictures 200KB of cached voice clips Do you want to also purge your profile's settings and logs (they will be definitly lost) ? yes | no how about that ? looks good about the code, I think it will be doable without heavy modification of the current code (not including the new code) as the login screen/profile thingy is small and not too spaghetti with the rest of the code. are you designing it or willing to code it ? I'm not sure yet, I'll wait for your proof of concept email and see what time I have available :) I seem to remember last time I did this it was very hard making it all right GUI-wise in pgBuddy (the text widget used for login screen, CL etc)... cool cool, but anyways, the PoC was not much, just what I saw last time on the wiki page you set up adding to it the behavioral 'forget me'.. I was thinking about not having a 'forget me' checkbox, but instead, when someone unchecks the 'remember me' checkbox, it asks for confirmation of the 'forget me'... not sure how user friendly that would be though.. for me it seems easy, don't know what 'joe average' would think. the PoC was going to be a stupid VB shit, just to have some GUI so people would say ouhh, this looks nice, I wanna do it.. but since you're already motivated in doing that, I don't think it's necessary to me to install VB in order to show you a dialog box with a 'are you sure' confirmation text, right? :p you can keep me up to date by msn and I can follow it up with you, if I have any comment, you know I'll tell you right away. If you first want to do a PoC then code it, that would be even better. If you want to do it using canvas, that would be awesome, and we'd have no performance issue or 'widget placement' issue since that would be a login screen, shown only once during a session, so not performance related... about pgBuddy, you don't care, look how we separated the top of the CL and the bottom of the CL in two distinct text widgets.. you can do the same, have a canvas or whatever being packed instead of pgBuddy, then your widget be destroyed and pgBuddy be packed instead... totally doable, right ? KKRT thanx KKRT On Tue, Oct 17, 2006 at 09:07:52AM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have been thinking a little about ways of doing our login screen the same way as Windows Live Messenger (display pic at top if cached/whatever, box for username and password, checkboxes for remember me and remember my password, button to 'forget me', etc etc) and I'll just share my thoughts below (I dont have time yet to actually code anything): Instead of 'profiles' file in .amsn dir, we need a profiles.xml file that looks something like this: profiles profile email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/email remember_me0/remember_me remember_pass0/remember_pass last_display_pic/path/to/display/pic/last_display_pic /profile profile email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/email remember_me1/remember_me remember_pass1/remember_pass last_display_pic/path/to/display/pic/last_display_pic /profile profile email[EMAIL PROTECTED]/email remember_me1/remember_me remember_pass0/remember_pass last_display_pic/path/to/display/pic/last_display_pic /profile /profiles We'd also need some procs with good names like so (I might be duplcating ones we already have here, I dont know what we've already got): *CreateProfile(email, remember_me, remember_pass
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
ok.. so anyone got ANYTHING in his TODO for 0.96 ?? or is it already 'ready' for release ??? PLEASE RESPOND! KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 04:37:15PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: Yeah, it was discussed and you didn't read it.. shame on you :p yes, we proposed the exact same with mod_rewrite, and yes mod_rewrite is available since I was able to use it for the userwiki. KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 12:03:17PM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: I think I didn't read the discussion about redirection, but it should be done using mod_rewrite if available. That way we could have something like: RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://amsn-project.net/$1 [R] That would make any request to: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/something/other redirected to: http://www.amsn-project.net/something/other If mod_rewrite is not available, something similar could be done in .php, but it would work only for the index page (too bad...). Maybe we can play with custom error pages (404 not found) in order to make a php redirection? Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the server is there, Sander and Phil are still installing stuff there, configuring apache, migrating the databases, installing the firewall, etc... but the machine is already up and running.. we only need to register the new domain name (we decided on amsn-project.net right ?) and finish securing the server (configure it and firewall it) then move all the file data over and set it all up, then have a small downtime on SF in order to move the databases over, then have the redirection done on SF... Sander/Phil can give you more details as I'm not too sure... KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:49:43AM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: Is it ready? If so, it good be a great moment to move to the new server. Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, that's good with me... so as soon as we get the new server up and running, configured and everything, we release... I say that for these reasons : - We will need a downtine 'the website is closed for maintainance' and it's better not to have it while we have thousands of users coming in to get the new version... - we will avoid downtime caused by SF (website was down twice for about 12hours each time during this week only) - It will help concentrate all our efforts on the migration, which is I think top priority (for many reasons it has to be done ASAP) - We'll have a fast (100Mbit/s :)) server and forums will be easy to access for our endless n00b questions after the upgrade... - We can start the release process and we'll probably have finished the migration before the packages are created (for lin, only autopackage, right ?) so... announce the new hostname along with the new release ?? KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:21:39AM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: I'd suggest releasing 0.96 TODAY :) :) forget about skin contests and similar until next release! Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 09:19:09PM -0700, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: Bah tu sais, je suis un gars de get things done, ce que je veux faire pour aMSN c'est compléter les versions, le rush avant la release, travailler plusieurs heures à corriger des petits bugs, réviser la todo, botter des culs, organiser par IRC, conclure les trucs, bref tout ce qui manque pour faire une release. Je suis pas un grand programmeur, je fais du bug fixing, je suis pas capable de sortir des features comme tu le fais, tes un gars de coding, mais moi ce que j'aime c'est conclure le tout, voir le travail au bout. Et cette ambivalence par rapport à 0.96 depuis un certain temps m'a fait chier, le fait d'avoir rien à faire, donc j'ai rien fait, j'attendais que quelqu'un se réveille. Je suis un gars de release, une fois que ça sera fait je vais m'en aller pour un temps et laisser les grands jouer avec les voice clips et la compilation. Je me suis pas connecté à MSN depuis environ 1 mois, je garde Skype pour parler avec ma famille et Google Talk(Jabber, avec iChat) pour 2-3 amis très proche. And you know what, I don't miss it! Pour la release je ferai mes tests avec mon accompte de test, voilà tout. Pour me parler c'est le téléphone ou c'est l'email ou c'est rien (je peux appeler gratos au Québec ou en france ou ailleurs, je vais avoir besoin de parler à Tom H soon
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
ok, thx
the updating of the website should be part of the release process...
about that annoying bug you described, that's indeed a priority issue for 0.96
(I think)..
what was happening before ? has it always been there? is it happening for
everyone ? when was it introduced ? does it
happen if you minimize a chat window instead ? does it happen with other tk
apps ? does it affect only chat windows or
any other window which needs focus ? hummm.. maybe it's caused by the new fix
that was put on tkaqua.. I remember tkaqua
didn't manage the tabs and someone patched it so that tabs could work.. maybe
the patch wasn't so perfect on a not so
compatible code...
anyways, I think there might be a solution for this..
try this :
bind . Unmap unmap_bug_hook
proc unmap_bug_hook { } {
global unmap_bug_hook_called
if { ![info exists unmap_bug_hook_called] } { set unmap_bug_hook_called 0 }
if { $unmap_bug_hook_called == 1 } {
set unmap_bug_hook_called 0
return
} else {
wm state . normal
::carbon::processHICommand mini .
set unmap_bug_hook_called 1
}
}
I didn't test (of course), so play with it until it works, it's an ugly fix,
and a minimize will probably make the
window flicker... but can't do much about that!
I just tried it (replacing the carbon call) and it just maximized/minimized
infinitely, I had to kill the process... so
watch out for that kind of reaction...
KKRT
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 07:32:29AM +0100, Tom Hennigan wrote:
A bunch of bugs are still there (especially http://sourceforge.net/
tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1537409group_id=54091atid=472655).
Also the website needs to be updated (http://cmq.qc.ca/4w/amsn/)...
But apart from that we're ready! :-P
- Tom
On 16 Oct 2006, at 07:43, Youness Alaoui wrote:
ok.. so anyone got ANYTHING in his TODO for 0.96 ?? or is it
already 'ready' for release ???
PLEASE RESPOND!
KKRT
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 04:37:15PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
Yeah, it was discussed and you didn't read it.. shame on you :p
yes, we proposed the exact same with mod_rewrite, and yes
mod_rewrite is available since I was able to use it for
the userwiki.
KKRT
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 12:03:17PM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote:
I think I didn't read the discussion about redirection, but it
should
be done using mod_rewrite if available. That way we could have
something like:
RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://amsn-project.net/$1 [R]
That would make any request to:
http://amsn.sourceforge.net/something/other
redirected to:
http://www.amsn-project.net/something/other
If mod_rewrite is not available, something similar could be done in
.php, but it would work only for the index page (too bad...).
Maybe we
can play with custom error pages (404 not found) in order to make a
php redirection?
Greets.
On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, the server is there, Sander and Phil are still installing
stuff there, configuring apache,
migrating the databases, installing the firewall, etc... but the
machine is already up and
running.. we only need to register the new domain name (we
decided on amsn-project.net right ?)
and finish securing the server (configure it and firewall it)
then move all the file data over
and set it all up, then have a small downtime on SF in order to
move the databases over, then
have the redirection done on SF...
Sander/Phil can give you more details as I'm not too sure...
KKRT
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:49:43AM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote:
Is it ready?
If so, it good be a great moment to move to the new server.
Greets.
On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
ok, that's good with me... so as soon as we get the new server
up and running, configured and
everything, we release... I say that for these reasons :
- We will need a downtine 'the website is closed for
maintainance' and it's better not to have
it while we have thousands of users coming in to get the new
version...
- we will avoid downtime caused by SF (website was down twice
for about 12hours each time during
this week only)
- It will help concentrate all our efforts on the migration,
which is I think top priority (for
many reasons it has to be done ASAP)
- We'll have a fast (100Mbit/s :)) server and forums will be
easy to access for our endless n00b
questions after the upgrade...
- We can start the release process and we'll probably have
finished the migration before the
packages are created (for lin, only autopackage, right ?)
so... announce the new hostname along with the new release ??
KKRT
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:21:39AM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier
wrote:
I'd suggest releasing 0.96 TODAY :) :)
forget about skin contests and similar until next release!
Greets.
On 10/15/06
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
Ok, thanx for the answer. On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 08:35:45AM +0200, Sander Hoentjen wrote: My TODO list is empty for 0.96 I do have a TODO list, but no idea on when i finally can work on it, and it is post 0.96 anyway On Mon, 2006-10-16 at 02:43 -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: ok.. so anyone got ANYTHING in his TODO for 0.96 ?? or is it already 'ready' for release ??? PLEASE RESPOND! KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 04:37:15PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: Yeah, it was discussed and you didn't read it.. shame on you :p yes, we proposed the exact same with mod_rewrite, and yes mod_rewrite is available since I was able to use it for the userwiki. KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 12:03:17PM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: I think I didn't read the discussion about redirection, but it should be done using mod_rewrite if available. That way we could have something like: RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://amsn-project.net/$1 [R] That would make any request to: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/something/other redirected to: http://www.amsn-project.net/something/other If mod_rewrite is not available, something similar could be done in .php, but it would work only for the index page (too bad...). Maybe we can play with custom error pages (404 not found) in order to make a php redirection? Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the server is there, Sander and Phil are still installing stuff there, configuring apache, migrating the databases, installing the firewall, etc... but the machine is already up and running.. we only need to register the new domain name (we decided on amsn-project.net right ?) and finish securing the server (configure it and firewall it) then move all the file data over and set it all up, then have a small downtime on SF in order to move the databases over, then have the redirection done on SF... Sander/Phil can give you more details as I'm not too sure... KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:49:43AM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: Is it ready? If so, it good be a great moment to move to the new server. Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, that's good with me... so as soon as we get the new server up and running, configured and everything, we release... I say that for these reasons : - We will need a downtine 'the website is closed for maintainance' and it's better not to have it while we have thousands of users coming in to get the new version... - we will avoid downtime caused by SF (website was down twice for about 12hours each time during this week only) - It will help concentrate all our efforts on the migration, which is I think top priority (for many reasons it has to be done ASAP) - We'll have a fast (100Mbit/s :)) server and forums will be easy to access for our endless n00b questions after the upgrade... - We can start the release process and we'll probably have finished the migration before the packages are created (for lin, only autopackage, right ?) so... announce the new hostname along with the new release ?? KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:21:39AM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: I'd suggest releasing 0.96 TODAY :) :) forget about skin contests and similar until next release! Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 09:19:09PM -0700, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: Bah tu sais, je suis un gars de get things done, ce que je veux faire pour aMSN c'est compléter les versions, le rush avant la release, travailler plusieurs heures à corriger des petits bugs, réviser la todo, botter des culs, organiser par IRC, conclure les trucs, bref tout ce qui manque pour faire une release. Je suis pas un grand programmeur, je fais du bug fixing, je suis pas capable de sortir des features comme tu le fais, tes un gars de coding, mais moi ce que j'aime c'est conclure le tout, voir le travail au bout. Et cette ambivalence par rapport à 0.96 depuis un certain temps m'a fait chier, le fait d'avoir rien à faire, donc j'ai rien fait, j'attendais que quelqu'un se réveille. Je suis un gars de release, une fois que ça sera fait je vais m'en aller pour un temps et laisser les grands jouer avec les voice clips et la compilation
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
oh, and btw, I just wrote to #tcl but got no answer.. here's my question.. it
might be a good lead for you if we can
find a solution that way :
KaKaRoTo-KS hi, I have a question
KaKaRoTo-KS we can override the 'X' button for closing a tk window with 'wm
protocol $w WM_DELETE_WINDOW $command'
KaKaRoTo-KS but what is the atom for overriding the 'minimize' button of the
title bar ?
KaKaRoTo-KS are all atoms supported ? and how to get a list of those atoms..
KKRT
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 04:45:48AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
ok, thx
the updating of the website should be part of the release process...
about that annoying bug you described, that's indeed a priority issue for
0.96 (I think)..
what was happening before ? has it always been there? is it happening for
everyone ? when was it introduced ? does it
happen if you minimize a chat window instead ? does it happen with other tk
apps ? does it affect only chat windows or
any other window which needs focus ? hummm.. maybe it's caused by the new fix
that was put on tkaqua.. I remember tkaqua
didn't manage the tabs and someone patched it so that tabs could work.. maybe
the patch wasn't so perfect on a not so
compatible code...
anyways, I think there might be a solution for this..
try this :
bind . Unmap unmap_bug_hook
proc unmap_bug_hook { } {
global unmap_bug_hook_called
if { ![info exists unmap_bug_hook_called] } { set unmap_bug_hook_called 0 }
if { $unmap_bug_hook_called == 1 } {
set unmap_bug_hook_called 0
return
} else {
wm state . normal
::carbon::processHICommand mini .
set unmap_bug_hook_called 1
}
}
I didn't test (of course), so play with it until it works, it's an ugly fix,
and a minimize will probably make the
window flicker... but can't do much about that!
I just tried it (replacing the carbon call) and it just maximized/minimized
infinitely, I had to kill the process... so
watch out for that kind of reaction...
KKRT
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 07:32:29AM +0100, Tom Hennigan wrote:
A bunch of bugs are still there (especially http://sourceforge.net/
tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1537409group_id=54091atid=472655).
Also the website needs to be updated (http://cmq.qc.ca/4w/amsn/)...
But apart from that we're ready! :-P
- Tom
On 16 Oct 2006, at 07:43, Youness Alaoui wrote:
ok.. so anyone got ANYTHING in his TODO for 0.96 ?? or is it
already 'ready' for release ???
PLEASE RESPOND!
KKRT
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 04:37:15PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
Yeah, it was discussed and you didn't read it.. shame on you :p
yes, we proposed the exact same with mod_rewrite, and yes
mod_rewrite is available since I was able to use it for
the userwiki.
KKRT
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 12:03:17PM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote:
I think I didn't read the discussion about redirection, but it
should
be done using mod_rewrite if available. That way we could have
something like:
RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://amsn-project.net/$1 [R]
That would make any request to:
http://amsn.sourceforge.net/something/other
redirected to:
http://www.amsn-project.net/something/other
If mod_rewrite is not available, something similar could be done in
.php, but it would work only for the index page (too bad...).
Maybe we
can play with custom error pages (404 not found) in order to make a
php redirection?
Greets.
On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, the server is there, Sander and Phil are still installing
stuff there, configuring apache,
migrating the databases, installing the firewall, etc... but the
machine is already up and
running.. we only need to register the new domain name (we
decided on amsn-project.net right ?)
and finish securing the server (configure it and firewall it)
then move all the file data over
and set it all up, then have a small downtime on SF in order to
move the databases over, then
have the redirection done on SF...
Sander/Phil can give you more details as I'm not too sure...
KKRT
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:49:43AM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote:
Is it ready?
If so, it good be a great moment to move to the new server.
Greets.
On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
ok, that's good with me... so as soon as we get the new server
up and running, configured and
everything, we release... I say that for these reasons :
- We will need a downtine 'the website is closed for
maintainance' and it's better not to have
it while we have thousands of users coming in to get the new
version...
- we will avoid downtime caused by SF (website was down twice
for about 12hours each time during
this week only)
- It will help concentrate all our efforts
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
ahhhaaa!! found it! :D
bind . Unmap unmap_bug_hook %W
proc unmap_bug_hook { w } {
global unmap_bug_hook_called
if { ![info exists unmap_bug_hook_called] } { set unmap_bug_hook_called 0 }
if { $w != . } { return }
if { $unmap_bug_hook_called == 1 } {
set unmap_bug_hook_called 0
return
} else {
set unmap_bug_hook_called 1
wm state . normal
::carbon::processHICommand mini .
}
}
This *should* work.. the problem is that the set unmap_bug* 1 should be done
BEFORE calling the carbon mini, or else the
next call to the hook will be done without the blocking variable being set
correctly...
I tested it while changing the carbon call into a 'wm state . iconic' and it
worked, on minimize it minimizes, maximizes
then finally minimizes.. this should be what you asked for... there is an
annoying flicker, but at least, it's better
than telling users you can't minimize the app... you could maybe check that
the user has tabs, if he doesn't, then
don't do it ? or maybe try and see if you can call the carbon mini command
without doing a 'wm state . normal' and that
it would fix the issue... no ?
tell me if this is an acceptable solution for you or not..
KKRT
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 04:45:48AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
ok, thx
the updating of the website should be part of the release process...
about that annoying bug you described, that's indeed a priority issue for
0.96 (I think)..
what was happening before ? has it always been there? is it happening for
everyone ? when was it introduced ? does it
happen if you minimize a chat window instead ? does it happen with other tk
apps ? does it affect only chat windows or
any other window which needs focus ? hummm.. maybe it's caused by the new fix
that was put on tkaqua.. I remember tkaqua
didn't manage the tabs and someone patched it so that tabs could work.. maybe
the patch wasn't so perfect on a not so
compatible code...
anyways, I think there might be a solution for this..
try this :
bind . Unmap unmap_bug_hook
proc unmap_bug_hook { } {
global unmap_bug_hook_called
if { ![info exists unmap_bug_hook_called] } { set unmap_bug_hook_called 0 }
if { $unmap_bug_hook_called == 1 } {
set unmap_bug_hook_called 0
return
} else {
wm state . normal
::carbon::processHICommand mini .
set unmap_bug_hook_called 1
}
}
I didn't test (of course), so play with it until it works, it's an ugly fix,
and a minimize will probably make the
window flicker... but can't do much about that!
I just tried it (replacing the carbon call) and it just maximized/minimized
infinitely, I had to kill the process... so
watch out for that kind of reaction...
KKRT
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 07:32:29AM +0100, Tom Hennigan wrote:
A bunch of bugs are still there (especially http://sourceforge.net/
tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1537409group_id=54091atid=472655).
Also the website needs to be updated (http://cmq.qc.ca/4w/amsn/)...
But apart from that we're ready! :-P
- Tom
On 16 Oct 2006, at 07:43, Youness Alaoui wrote:
ok.. so anyone got ANYTHING in his TODO for 0.96 ?? or is it
already 'ready' for release ???
PLEASE RESPOND!
KKRT
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 04:37:15PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
Yeah, it was discussed and you didn't read it.. shame on you :p
yes, we proposed the exact same with mod_rewrite, and yes
mod_rewrite is available since I was able to use it for
the userwiki.
KKRT
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 12:03:17PM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote:
I think I didn't read the discussion about redirection, but it
should
be done using mod_rewrite if available. That way we could have
something like:
RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://amsn-project.net/$1 [R]
That would make any request to:
http://amsn.sourceforge.net/something/other
redirected to:
http://www.amsn-project.net/something/other
If mod_rewrite is not available, something similar could be done in
.php, but it would work only for the index page (too bad...).
Maybe we
can play with custom error pages (404 not found) in order to make a
php redirection?
Greets.
On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, the server is there, Sander and Phil are still installing
stuff there, configuring apache,
migrating the databases, installing the firewall, etc... but the
machine is already up and
running.. we only need to register the new domain name (we
decided on amsn-project.net right ?)
and finish securing the server (configure it and firewall it)
then move all the file data over
and set it all up, then have a small downtime on SF in order to
move the databases over, then
have the redirection done on SF...
Sander/Phil can give you more details as I'm not too sure...
KKRT
On Sun, Oct
Re: [Amsn-devel] TIP 278: does it cause any breakage?
Hey,
that's cool, thanx Jonne for being able to spare some time to work on this. And
sorry Miguel for
not having the time myself to dedicate to this TIP.
I have to admit, last time I read your mail and the TIP, I didn't quite
understand the
difference between the current behavior of tcl/tk and the proposited behavior
by the tip. I
guess what I assumed from the tip is that it's the expected behavior and I
guess it just fixes
tcl which doesn't follow the 'guidelines'...
Anyways, Jonne, I don't think this should go into 0.96, maybe back port the
changes between
trunk and 0.96, but I don't think it's critical for 0.96, because :
1 - there might be tooo many code to review and it would be impossible to do
all the test cases
to see if anything breaks
2 - it could take time and we could postpone the release and in the end it
won't affect us
(people not using the version with the tip, or does who do will be able to use
SVN anyways)
3 - We still need Miguel to give an answer concerning when will this tip be
imlpemented in the
main branch.
about the error you talked about with the initialize_amsn, look carefully at
the reload_files
proc, it does :
uplevel #0 {
source ...
source ...
...
}
so all the sourcing is done in the global namespace, so $initialize_amsn should
be access as is,
no ened to fully qualify it since we're in the global namespace already...
at least, that's what I think, mabye Miguel can enlighten us on this subject as
I may have not
understood correctly what the changes this tip brings..
thx
KKRT
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 12:07:07PM -0300, miguel wrote:
Jonne Zutt wrote:
It's quite easy to make these changes.
I made about 40 changes to amsn already (these can be committed as they
work with and without the Tip being implemented).
Yes, that's the idea.
However, Tip 278 also breaks (at least) BWidget.
In widget.tcl, one can find this:
proc Widget::init { class path options } {
...
set Widget::_class($path) $class
Which needs to be ...
set ::Widget::_class($path) $class
or perhaps ...
set _class($path) $class
in the future.
I'll just change utils/BWidget too, doesn't matter of course.
Could you please forward the info to the bwidget maintainers?
Thx again
Miguel
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Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
Hey Boris, it's been a while! happy to see you :) I hope you'll get your internet connectio n back soon so you can help us out here, we're desperately in need of people and you never let em down before :) P.s.: lol, bein la chris, c po le fun de riyr de mwa paske je parle kebekoi tabarnak :p au fait, parait que les francais disent le mot caribou' qd ils imitent le quebecois.. c vrai ca? moi j'ai jamais entendu ca au quebec.. lol On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 01:14:42PM +0200, Boris Faure (aka billiob) wrote: Hi all. Great, great job Youness ! I should have my new internet connection in a couple of days. Then, i'll be glad to help you. I agree we should release amsn 0.96 ASAP. I won't have my gentoo installed soon so i won't be able to create a new ebuild but i think it is not that much different form the current one. Youness, i won't let amsn die this way. We got so much great things to do ! Greetings Ps: J, moi aussi je pourrais te téléphoner :D (même si ça ne sert pas à grand chose, sauf à entendre ton accent québecois :p ). -- Boris FAURE (aka billiob) mail, msn : [EMAIL PROTECTED] No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly agitated. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
cool, keep me informed (I know you will)!
and btw, if jerome never heard of it, does it mean it doesn't always happen..
it would be
usefull to find where it happens so we can catch it only for the systems
affected...
KKRT
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 11:07:36AM +0100, Tom Hennigan wrote:
I'll test it when I get home from college. :-)
Tom
On 10/16/06, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
First time I hear about this bug but still, good solution
Tom, can you test and commit?
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Le 16 octobre 2006 à 02:06, Youness Alaoui a écrit :
ahhhaaa!! found it! :D
bind . Unmap unmap_bug_hook %W
proc unmap_bug_hook { w } {
global unmap_bug_hook_called
if { ![info exists unmap_bug_hook_called] } { set unmap_bug_hook_called
0 }
if { $w != . } { return }
if { $unmap_bug_hook_called == 1 } {
set unmap_bug_hook_called 0
return
} else {
set unmap_bug_hook_called 1
wm state . normal
::carbon::processHICommand mini .
}
}
This *should* work.. the problem is that the set unmap_bug* 1 should be
done BEFORE calling the carbon mini, or else the
next call to the hook will be done without the blocking variable being set
correctly...
I tested it while changing the carbon call into a 'wm state . iconic' and
it worked, on minimize it minimizes, maximizes
then finally minimizes.. this should be what you asked for... there is an
annoying flicker, but at least, it's better
than telling users you can't minimize the app... you could maybe check
that the user has tabs, if he doesn't, then
don't do it ? or maybe try and see if you can call the carbon mini command
without doing a 'wm state . normal' and that
it would fix the issue... no ?
tell me if this is an acceptable solution for you or not..
KKRT
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 04:45:48AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
ok, thx
the updating of the website should be part of the release process...
about that annoying bug you described, that's indeed a priority issue for
0.96 (I think)..
what was happening before ? has it always been there? is it happening for
everyone ? when was it introduced ? does it
happen if you minimize a chat window instead ? does it happen with other
tk apps ? does it affect only chat windows or
any other window which needs focus ? hummm.. maybe it's caused by the new
fix that was put on tkaqua.. I remember tkaqua
didn't manage the tabs and someone patched it so that tabs could work..
maybe the patch wasn't so perfect on a not so
compatible code...
anyways, I think there might be a solution for this..
try this :
bind . Unmap unmap_bug_hook
proc unmap_bug_hook { } {
global unmap_bug_hook_called
if { ![info exists unmap_bug_hook_called] } { set unmap_bug_hook_called
0 }
if { $unmap_bug_hook_called == 1 } {
set unmap_bug_hook_called 0
return
} else {
wm state . normal
::carbon::processHICommand mini .
set unmap_bug_hook_called 1
}
}
I didn't test (of course), so play with it until it works, it's an ugly
fix, and a minimize will probably make the
window flicker... but can't do much about that!
I just tried it (replacing the carbon call) and it just
maximized/minimized infinitely, I had to kill the process... so
watch out for that kind of reaction...
KKRT
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 07:32:29AM +0100, Tom Hennigan wrote:
A bunch of bugs are still there (especially http://sourceforge.net/
tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1537409group_id=54091atid=472655).
Also the website needs to be updated (http://cmq.qc.ca/4w/amsn/)...
But apart from that we're ready! :-P
- Tom
On 16 Oct 2006, at 07:43, Youness Alaoui wrote:
ok.. so anyone got ANYTHING in his TODO for 0.96 ?? or is it
already 'ready' for release ???
PLEASE RESPOND!
KKRT
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 04:37:15PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote:
Yeah, it was discussed and you didn't read it.. shame on you :p
yes, we proposed the exact same with mod_rewrite, and yes
mod_rewrite is available since I was able to use it for
the userwiki.
KKRT
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 12:03:17PM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote:
I think I didn't read the discussion about redirection, but it
should
be done using mod_rewrite if available. That way we could have
something like:
RewriteEngine on
RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://amsn-project.net/$1 [R]
That would make any request to:
http://amsn.sourceforge.net/something/other
redirected to:
http://www.amsn-project.net/something/other
If mod_rewrite is not available, something similar could be done in
.php, but it would work only for the index page (too bad...).
Maybe we
can play with custom error pages (404 not found) in order to make a
php redirection?
Greets.
On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui
Re: [Amsn-devel] TIP 278: does it cause any breakage?
ok, thanks, that was a fast answer :)
now Jonne, could you please confirm that the initialize_amsn variable is not
accessible with the
sources in this uplevel ? maybe it's a bug with tcl+tip which doesn't work
right for upleveled
code...
just confirm if it works or if it crashes.
Thanks,
KKRT
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 12:52:23PM -0300, miguel wrote:
Youness Alaoui wrote:
about the error you talked about with the initialize_amsn, look carefully
at the reload_files
proc, it does :
uplevel #0 {
source ...
source ...
...
}
so all the sourcing is done in the global namespace, so $initialize_amsn
should be access as is,
no ened to fully qualify it since we're in the global namespace already...
at least, that's what I think, mabye Miguel can enlighten us on this
subject as I may have not
understood correctly what the changes this tip brings..
Indeed: whatever happens in [upvar #0] is already running in the global
namespace, so it does not need to be fully qualified. So: what is run at
caller's scope in the sourced file (ie, not within namespace evals or
procs) is fine.
HTH
Miguel
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Re: [Amsn-devel] SVN: [7345] == VOICE CLIPS
ok thenb, no prob.. it's just that since you looked like a ready top explode bomb, we never know... :p btw, can someone call the firefighter and a 'demineur', vivia is about to explode :p haha, this was also a joke ^o) now that's clear enough... :p KKRT On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 06:58:14PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: On 10/16/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope this is either a joke or you're just trying to deceive me. that was really uncalled for. lol, come on, it's a joke : hmm ok, maybe i should have made it clearer that it's a joke? thought it would be obvious? sorry :S On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 03:37:01PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: On Mon, 16 Oct 2006, Youness Alaoui wrote: this project is near death... I wonder if I should kick everyone from the team and tell SF to close the project :@ Just make sure you won't keep ANY money :@ - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel -- Where is the life that we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom that we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge that we have lost in information? OEO; - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] SVN: [7345] == VOICE CLIPS
ok, here`s how it wos.. : humm.. ok, I just told phil all about it over MSN... many things don't need to be redone.. the rest will be easy... KKRT On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 09:13:06PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: On Mon, 16 Oct 2006, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: [...] etc... All I see is huffmann and dct but these terms are unknown to me... We will need a discussion over MSN :p Huffman and DCT are well-known algorithms. Google for a tutorial, I think you'll find something good. I don't think that a conversation over MSN will help you that much on that one :) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] TIP 278: does it cause any breakage?
ah ok, I thought you were refering to $initialize_variable that were called
outside of the namespace evals..
ok, then...
but I'd like to suggest something.. instead of doing $::varname I think it
would be best to use global varname; $varname ...and especially for namespace
vars.. the reason
imagine you have a namespace MSN { $::MSN::protocol_version } and now we add
multi protocol and we want namespace ::protocols::MSN {
$::protocols::MSN::protocol_version } ... well, if we have hundreds of vars
everywhere, we'd
need to replace each one.. with 'variable' we won't need to...
same applies to global vars if we want them to become some days private vars of
a namespace.. but that's less likely...
well, good luck with your changes!
KKRT
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 10:30:13PM +0200, Jonne Zutt wrote:
What, I have to teach you something? :)
Listen carefully, Youness, and I will explain.
You are right that in ./amsn we source in the global namespace. Hence we
could access the initialize_amsn
variable, which is located in the global namespace.
However, we source (many) files that have there own namespaces. And in
there initialize_amsn
is referenced, in which case we must specify a fully qualified name (or
else thanks to the Tip the variable is only searched in that namespace).
I have to run through all code (and plugins) once and check for each
variable how it is used.
For example all foo::varname needs to be changed to ::foo::varname
or varname (the latter accompanied by variable varname) in namespace
foo. At some later point, all variable x statements can go out as well.
If it's not done before 0.96, that's okay with me. But I think we should
release 0.97 not much later than
Tcl 8.5 is released (if this gets included). If users upgrade to tcl8.5,
they need an amsn version that has this fixed (without having to use
subversion).
Anyway, not a problem right, just another good reason to release 0.97
apart from the nice stuff you added already lately.
I'll work on it tomorrow,
JeeBee.
Youness Alaoui wrote:
ok, thanks, that was a fast answer :)
now Jonne, could you please confirm that the initialize_amsn variable is
not accessible with the
sources in this uplevel ? maybe it's a bug with tcl+tip which doesn't work
right for upleveled
code...
just confirm if it works or if it crashes.
Thanks,
KKRT
On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 12:52:23PM -0300, miguel wrote:
Youness Alaoui wrote:
about the error you talked about with the initialize_amsn, look carefully
at the reload_files
proc, it does :
uplevel #0 {
source ...
source ...
...
}
so all the sourcing is done in the global namespace, so $initialize_amsn
should be access as is,
no ened to fully qualify it since we're in the global namespace already...
at least, that's what I think, mabye Miguel can enlighten us on this
subject as I may have not
understood correctly what the changes this tip brings..
Indeed: whatever happens in [upvar #0] is already running in the global
namespace, so it does not need to be fully qualified. So: what is run at
caller's scope in the sourced file (ie, not within namespace evals or
procs) is fine.
HTH
Miguel
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Re: [Amsn-devel] SVN: [7345] == VOICE CLIPS
ok, thx. btw, if you want to test without a mic, do it like me : windows : select audio volume, select recording in the properties, then check the 'select' checkbox under stereo mix, then you can play your favorite song/movie/whatever and when you'll record, it will record what was playing on your headphones... Linux : same thing, apart from the fact that you need to open aumix, go to 'volume' and press space for it to record from the global volume... then play something and record... humm, it says 'can't access the device', oh yeah, that's bad, then do this : sleep 5 mpg123 /path/to/your/song.mp3 and then you have 5 seconds to go on the chatwindow, click and hold until the song begins and records from it... yeah I know, it's weird but I don't know why you can't record while /dev/dsp is being used for playing, but someone can play while /dev/dsp is used for recording... oh and btw.. if you don't see anything appearing in your chatwindow input box when you are recording, then you must upgrade to libsnack 2.2.9 or later... and no, the 'package require snack' will always show 2.2 whether it is 2.2.0 or 2.2.5 or 2.2.10 ... KKRT On Mon, Oct 16, 2006 at 09:49:12PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just downloaded latest SVN and managed to get it worjking through my Uni proxy (had bit of trouble before due to my dumbness!), just realised I dont have a microphone! I will ask my gf is she has one I can borrow. Youness: just want to say congratulations for doing this, it should be great when I can actually use it :D And sorry for nto being active, I have no time at all lately!! Tom On 10/16/06, Vivia Nikolaidou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 Oct 2006, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: [...] etc... All I see is huffmann and dct but these terms are unknown to me... We will need a discussion over MSN :p Huffman and DCT are well-known algorithms. Google for a tutorial, I think you'll find something good. I don't think that a conversation over MSN will help you that much on that one :) - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
eu. On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 12:37:56PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: I'd suggest releasing 0.96 TODAY :) :) +1 :) But why are you writing this in English? The ML seems to have gone too international lately :P Habla en español si es más fácil para ti (y claro que debería ser mucho más fácil)... ... και γιατί όχι Ελληνικά; :) Μόνο εμείς καταλαβαίνουμε :P forget about skin contests and similar until next release! Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 09:19:09PM -0700, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: Bah tu sais, je suis un gars de get things done, ce que je veux faire pour aMSN c'est compléter les versions, le rush avant la release, travailler plusieurs heures à corriger des petits bugs, réviser la todo, botter des culs, organiser par IRC, conclure les trucs, bref tout ce qui manque pour faire une release. Je suis pas un grand programmeur, je fais du bug fixing, je suis pas capable de sortir des features comme tu le fais, tes un gars de coding, mais moi ce que j'aime c'est conclure le tout, voir le travail au bout. Et cette ambivalence par rapport à 0.96 depuis un certain temps m'a fait chier, le fait d'avoir rien à faire, donc j'ai rien fait, j'attendais que quelqu'un se réveille. Je suis un gars de release, une fois que ça sera fait je vais m'en aller pour un temps et laisser les grands jouer avec les voice clips et la compilation. Je me suis pas connecté à MSN depuis environ 1 mois, je garde Skype pour parler avec ma famille et Google Talk(Jabber, avec iChat) pour 2-3 amis très proche. And you know what, I don't miss it! Pour la release je ferai mes tests avec mon accompte de test, voilà tout. Pour me parler c'est le téléphone ou c'est l'email ou c'est rien (je peux appeler gratos au Québec ou en france ou ailleurs, je vais avoir besoin de parler à Tom H soon). Ok, lol, la ML en french, c bizarre.. en tt k, si c le cas, je te designe un nouveau role.. on va faire ca en anglais cette fois... Ok, well, from what you said, you're a guy who loves doing releases and getting some butts kicked and be in the final rush before the releases.. in that case, I will gladly give you the new, open position of release butt-kicker.. too bad SF doesn't have that in its list of roles.. anyways, I'm also fed up like you, but I'm not that good at motivating people or making release-related decisions, so if you want, you can start doing that.. you decide on EVERYTHING about the release of 0.96.. once it's done, if you want to keep bug fixing, then cool, if you don't, then you can sleep again, but when you feel the time has come for 0.97, it will be your responsability to start a new thread with the subject 0.97 release in XX days... and announce the feature freeze and make everyone move to the final steps... do you accept the position offered? :) For the Mac version, as I did with 0.95, we're gonna keep our own skin. Someone on the Linux/Windows decide should decide if they change skin, if you do a small contest as a vote for the forum, if you change for Emerald. I don't want to make a decision but I expect this to be all decided / commited by the end of october, if you don't take a decision then let's keep everything as it is right now. So Windows/Linux guy, DO SOMETHING. aha! that's why you don't want the contest, because it doesn't affect it :p anyways, for me too, I don't care, I only suggested the contest when users on the forums requested emerald to become the new default one... then I proposed the contest... Lee has an idea about this, I'll let him post his thoughts himself. KKRT Jérôme Blog: http://j-mac-blog.blogspot.com Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iChat AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: germinator5000 Le 14 octobre 2006 à 19:45, Youness Alaoui a écrit : lol, et toi qu'elle mouche t'a pique? je te vois jamais sur msn, je voulais te parler depuis trop longtemps sans jamais te trouver... et toi aussi t'es rentre dans le cercle de l'inactivite, j'aimerais bien retrouver l'equipe active d'autrefois... Anyways, about 0.96, as you always know, I never make the decisions, I propose them, if you prefer to release 0.96 now and leave the contest for a new skin for 0.97, then ok, if you prefer to do the contest with what we already have, then it's also ok for me... a lot of users on the forums already proposed Emerald as the new skin, maybe it's a good choice, I never tried it, so I can't tell.. Before, we wanted to do the contest, but we never did, I don't know the reasons, I think it's because we decided to get 0.95 out
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
ok, that's good with me... so as soon as we get the new server up and running, configured and everything, we release... I say that for these reasons : - We will need a downtine 'the website is closed for maintainance' and it's better not to have it while we have thousands of users coming in to get the new version... - we will avoid downtime caused by SF (website was down twice for about 12hours each time during this week only) - It will help concentrate all our efforts on the migration, which is I think top priority (for many reasons it has to be done ASAP) - We'll have a fast (100Mbit/s :)) server and forums will be easy to access for our endless n00b questions after the upgrade... - We can start the release process and we'll probably have finished the migration before the packages are created (for lin, only autopackage, right ?) so... announce the new hostname along with the new release ?? KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:21:39AM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: I'd suggest releasing 0.96 TODAY :) :) forget about skin contests and similar until next release! Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 09:19:09PM -0700, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: Bah tu sais, je suis un gars de get things done, ce que je veux faire pour aMSN c'est compléter les versions, le rush avant la release, travailler plusieurs heures à corriger des petits bugs, réviser la todo, botter des culs, organiser par IRC, conclure les trucs, bref tout ce qui manque pour faire une release. Je suis pas un grand programmeur, je fais du bug fixing, je suis pas capable de sortir des features comme tu le fais, tes un gars de coding, mais moi ce que j'aime c'est conclure le tout, voir le travail au bout. Et cette ambivalence par rapport à 0.96 depuis un certain temps m'a fait chier, le fait d'avoir rien à faire, donc j'ai rien fait, j'attendais que quelqu'un se réveille. Je suis un gars de release, une fois que ça sera fait je vais m'en aller pour un temps et laisser les grands jouer avec les voice clips et la compilation. Je me suis pas connecté à MSN depuis environ 1 mois, je garde Skype pour parler avec ma famille et Google Talk(Jabber, avec iChat) pour 2-3 amis très proche. And you know what, I don't miss it! Pour la release je ferai mes tests avec mon accompte de test, voilà tout. Pour me parler c'est le téléphone ou c'est l'email ou c'est rien (je peux appeler gratos au Québec ou en france ou ailleurs, je vais avoir besoin de parler à Tom H soon). Ok, lol, la ML en french, c bizarre.. en tt k, si c le cas, je te designe un nouveau role.. on va faire ca en anglais cette fois... Ok, well, from what you said, you're a guy who loves doing releases and getting some butts kicked and be in the final rush before the releases.. in that case, I will gladly give you the new, open position of release butt-kicker.. too bad SF doesn't have that in its list of roles.. anyways, I'm also fed up like you, but I'm not that good at motivating people or making release-related decisions, so if you want, you can start doing that.. you decide on EVERYTHING about the release of 0.96.. once it's done, if you want to keep bug fixing, then cool, if you don't, then you can sleep again, but when you feel the time has come for 0.97, it will be your responsability to start a new thread with the subject 0.97 release in XX days... and announce the feature freeze and make everyone move to the final steps... do you accept the position offered? :) For the Mac version, as I did with 0.95, we're gonna keep our own skin. Someone on the Linux/Windows decide should decide if they change skin, if you do a small contest as a vote for the forum, if you change for Emerald. I don't want to make a decision but I expect this to be all decided / commited by the end of october, if you don't take a decision then let's keep everything as it is right now. So Windows/Linux guy, DO SOMETHING. aha! that's why you don't want the contest, because it doesn't affect it :p anyways, for me too, I don't care, I only suggested the contest when users on the forums requested emerald to become the new default one... then I proposed the contest... Lee has an idea about this, I'll let him post his thoughts himself. KKRT Jérôme Blog: http://j-mac-blog.blogspot.com Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iChat AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: germinator5000 Le 14 octobre 2006 à 19:45, Youness Alaoui a écrit : lol, et toi qu'elle mouche t'a pique? je te vois jamais sur msn, je voulais te parler depuis trop longtemps sans jamais te trouver... et toi aussi t'es rentre dans le cercle de l'inactivite, j'aimerais bien retrouver l'equipe active d'autrefois... Anyways, about 0.96, as you always know, I never make
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
Well, the server is there, Sander and Phil are still installing stuff there, configuring apache, migrating the databases, installing the firewall, etc... but the machine is already up and running.. we only need to register the new domain name (we decided on amsn-project.net right ?) and finish securing the server (configure it and firewall it) then move all the file data over and set it all up, then have a small downtime on SF in order to move the databases over, then have the redirection done on SF... Sander/Phil can give you more details as I'm not too sure... KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:49:43AM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: Is it ready? If so, it good be a great moment to move to the new server. Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, that's good with me... so as soon as we get the new server up and running, configured and everything, we release... I say that for these reasons : - We will need a downtine 'the website is closed for maintainance' and it's better not to have it while we have thousands of users coming in to get the new version... - we will avoid downtime caused by SF (website was down twice for about 12hours each time during this week only) - It will help concentrate all our efforts on the migration, which is I think top priority (for many reasons it has to be done ASAP) - We'll have a fast (100Mbit/s :)) server and forums will be easy to access for our endless n00b questions after the upgrade... - We can start the release process and we'll probably have finished the migration before the packages are created (for lin, only autopackage, right ?) so... announce the new hostname along with the new release ?? KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:21:39AM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: I'd suggest releasing 0.96 TODAY :) :) forget about skin contests and similar until next release! Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 09:19:09PM -0700, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: Bah tu sais, je suis un gars de get things done, ce que je veux faire pour aMSN c'est compléter les versions, le rush avant la release, travailler plusieurs heures à corriger des petits bugs, réviser la todo, botter des culs, organiser par IRC, conclure les trucs, bref tout ce qui manque pour faire une release. Je suis pas un grand programmeur, je fais du bug fixing, je suis pas capable de sortir des features comme tu le fais, tes un gars de coding, mais moi ce que j'aime c'est conclure le tout, voir le travail au bout. Et cette ambivalence par rapport à 0.96 depuis un certain temps m'a fait chier, le fait d'avoir rien à faire, donc j'ai rien fait, j'attendais que quelqu'un se réveille. Je suis un gars de release, une fois que ça sera fait je vais m'en aller pour un temps et laisser les grands jouer avec les voice clips et la compilation. Je me suis pas connecté à MSN depuis environ 1 mois, je garde Skype pour parler avec ma famille et Google Talk(Jabber, avec iChat) pour 2-3 amis très proche. And you know what, I don't miss it! Pour la release je ferai mes tests avec mon accompte de test, voilà tout. Pour me parler c'est le téléphone ou c'est l'email ou c'est rien (je peux appeler gratos au Québec ou en france ou ailleurs, je vais avoir besoin de parler à Tom H soon). Ok, lol, la ML en french, c bizarre.. en tt k, si c le cas, je te designe un nouveau role.. on va faire ca en anglais cette fois... Ok, well, from what you said, you're a guy who loves doing releases and getting some butts kicked and be in the final rush before the releases.. in that case, I will gladly give you the new, open position of release butt-kicker.. too bad SF doesn't have that in its list of roles.. anyways, I'm also fed up like you, but I'm not that good at motivating people or making release-related decisions, so if you want, you can start doing that.. you decide on EVERYTHING about the release of 0.96.. once it's done, if you want to keep bug fixing, then cool, if you don't, then you can sleep again, but when you feel the time has come for 0.97, it will be your responsability to start a new thread with the subject 0.97 release in XX days... and announce the feature freeze and make everyone move to the final steps... do you accept the position offered? :) For the Mac version, as I did with 0.95, we're gonna keep our own skin. Someone on the Linux/Windows decide should decide if they change skin, if you do a small contest as a vote for the forum, if you change for Emerald. I don't want to make a decision but I expect this to be all decided / commited by the end of october, if you don't take a decision then let's keep everything as it is right now
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
Yeah, it was discussed and you didn't read it.. shame on you :p yes, we proposed the exact same with mod_rewrite, and yes mod_rewrite is available since I was able to use it for the userwiki. KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 12:03:17PM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: I think I didn't read the discussion about redirection, but it should be done using mod_rewrite if available. That way we could have something like: RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^/(.*) http://amsn-project.net/$1 [R] That would make any request to: http://amsn.sourceforge.net/something/other redirected to: http://www.amsn-project.net/something/other If mod_rewrite is not available, something similar could be done in .php, but it would work only for the index page (too bad...). Maybe we can play with custom error pages (404 not found) in order to make a php redirection? Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the server is there, Sander and Phil are still installing stuff there, configuring apache, migrating the databases, installing the firewall, etc... but the machine is already up and running.. we only need to register the new domain name (we decided on amsn-project.net right ?) and finish securing the server (configure it and firewall it) then move all the file data over and set it all up, then have a small downtime on SF in order to move the databases over, then have the redirection done on SF... Sander/Phil can give you more details as I'm not too sure... KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:49:43AM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: Is it ready? If so, it good be a great moment to move to the new server. Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok, that's good with me... so as soon as we get the new server up and running, configured and everything, we release... I say that for these reasons : - We will need a downtine 'the website is closed for maintainance' and it's better not to have it while we have thousands of users coming in to get the new version... - we will avoid downtime caused by SF (website was down twice for about 12hours each time during this week only) - It will help concentrate all our efforts on the migration, which is I think top priority (for many reasons it has to be done ASAP) - We'll have a fast (100Mbit/s :)) server and forums will be easy to access for our endless n00b questions after the upgrade... - We can start the release process and we'll probably have finished the migration before the packages are created (for lin, only autopackage, right ?) so... announce the new hostname along with the new release ?? KKRT On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 11:21:39AM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: I'd suggest releasing 0.96 TODAY :) :) forget about skin contests and similar until next release! Greets. On 10/15/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 09:19:09PM -0700, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: Bah tu sais, je suis un gars de get things done, ce que je veux faire pour aMSN c'est compléter les versions, le rush avant la release, travailler plusieurs heures à corriger des petits bugs, réviser la todo, botter des culs, organiser par IRC, conclure les trucs, bref tout ce qui manque pour faire une release. Je suis pas un grand programmeur, je fais du bug fixing, je suis pas capable de sortir des features comme tu le fais, tes un gars de coding, mais moi ce que j'aime c'est conclure le tout, voir le travail au bout. Et cette ambivalence par rapport à 0.96 depuis un certain temps m'a fait chier, le fait d'avoir rien à faire, donc j'ai rien fait, j'attendais que quelqu'un se réveille. Je suis un gars de release, une fois que ça sera fait je vais m'en aller pour un temps et laisser les grands jouer avec les voice clips et la compilation. Je me suis pas connecté à MSN depuis environ 1 mois, je garde Skype pour parler avec ma famille et Google Talk(Jabber, avec iChat) pour 2-3 amis très proche. And you know what, I don't miss it! Pour la release je ferai mes tests avec mon accompte de test, voilà tout. Pour me parler c'est le téléphone ou c'est l'email ou c'est rien (je peux appeler gratos au Québec ou en france ou ailleurs, je vais avoir besoin de parler à Tom H soon). Ok, lol, la ML en french, c bizarre.. en tt k, si c le cas, je te designe un nouveau role.. on va faire ca en anglais cette fois... Ok, well, from what you said, you're a guy who loves doing releases and getting some butts kicked and be in the final rush before the releases.. in that case, I will gladly give
[Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
Hi there... I think it's time to think about the 0.96 release I think we should : 1 - finally start the contest for the new 'default skin' (Lee, I hope you're still there with plenty of ideas) 2 - announce it at the same time as we announce the move to the new server... 3 - get amsn 0.96 out as soon as the contest finishes... (in a month or two?) so, here should be the 0.96 TODO.. if anyone has anything in his pending list.. now is the time to add it to the TODO and/or to DO IT... The countdown has began! KKRT - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
No, I don't think it's necessary anymore... just finish up the skin contest and release the 0.96 once and for good! Then we can work on 0.97... since now 0.97 has new important feats in it (OIM, voice), so if we miss some bugs in 0.96, we'll fix them for 0.97 which should shortly follow... Harry said this to me over msn and I think it summarizes well what I thought... : the best seems to release 0.96 as soon as possible, and announce it as one that is intended to be very stable. At the same time we go on fixing bugs and maybe still adding some new feats in 0.97, and get its RC1 out just a few months after 0.96, and announce that one mainly as a 'nice new features'-release. KKRT On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 01:18:33PM +0100, Rafael Rodríguez wrote: will there be a RC2 or something like that? Rafa On 10/14/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there... I think it's time to think about the 0.96 release I think we should : 1 - finally start the contest for the new 'default skin' (Lee, I hope you're still there with plenty of ideas) 2 - announce it at the same time as we announce the move to the new server... 3 - get amsn 0.96 out as soon as the contest finishes... (in a month or two?) so, here should be the 0.96 TODO.. if anyone has anything in his pending list.. now is the time to add it to the TODO and/or to DO IT... The countdown has began! KKRT - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
lol, et toi qu'elle mouche t'a pique? je te vois jamais sur msn, je voulais te parler depuis trop longtemps sans jamais te trouver... et toi aussi t'es rentre dans le cercle de l'inactivite, j'aimerais bien retrouver l'equipe active d'autrefois... Anyways, about 0.96, as you always know, I never make the decisions, I propose them, if you prefer to release 0.96 now and leave the contest for a new skin for 0.97, then ok, if you prefer to do the contest with what we already have, then it's also ok for me... a lot of users on the forums already proposed Emerald as the new skin, maybe it's a good choice, I never tried it, so I can't tell.. Before, we wanted to do the contest, but we never did, I don't know the reasons, I think it's because we decided to get 0.95 out for christmas and didn't want to wait for the contest... if we're in a similar situation now, then let's forget about the contest... and I think we are, but I'm not sure... What I would prefer is to release 0.96 as soon as we move to the new website... move everything, announce the new URL, and release... in that case, we won't wait for the contest... maybe do a quick poll in the forums and that's it ? or maybe announce it at the same time as 0.96 since we'll get more users to check the website... what do you think ? KKRT On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 05:35:37PM -0700, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: Mon dieu qu'elle mouche t'a piquée? T'es tu levé du mauvais côté ce matin? Genre tu es tombé du lit, ta tête a frappé ton ordinateur, et la t'a accroché le bouton du clavier pour envoyer un message à propos de la version 0.96? Screw the contest, IMO, just a way to lose more time, is it what we tried last year before 0.95 and then finally we never did it? Or we did it and didn't get any new skin? There's already a lot of skins available, just look at mac forums and your own forums, just put someone in charge to order everything on a webpage, get a vote on the skins available, and here we go. Jérôme Blog: http://j-mac-blog.blogspot.com Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iChat AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: germinator5000 Le 14 octobre 2006 à 03:19, Youness Alaoui a écrit : Hi there... I think it's time to think about the 0.96 release I think we should : 1 - finally start the contest for the new 'default skin' (Lee, I hope you're still there with plenty of ideas) 2 - announce it at the same time as we announce the move to the new server... 3 - get amsn 0.96 out as soon as the contest finishes... (in a month or two?) so, here should be the 0.96 TODO.. if anyone has anything in his pending list.. now is the time to add it to the TODO and/or to DO IT... The countdown has began! KKRT -- --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] 0.96 release
On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 09:19:09PM -0700, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: Bah tu sais, je suis un gars de get things done, ce que je veux faire pour aMSN c'est compléter les versions, le rush avant la release, travailler plusieurs heures à corriger des petits bugs, réviser la todo, botter des culs, organiser par IRC, conclure les trucs, bref tout ce qui manque pour faire une release. Je suis pas un grand programmeur, je fais du bug fixing, je suis pas capable de sortir des features comme tu le fais, tes un gars de coding, mais moi ce que j'aime c'est conclure le tout, voir le travail au bout. Et cette ambivalence par rapport à 0.96 depuis un certain temps m'a fait chier, le fait d'avoir rien à faire, donc j'ai rien fait, j'attendais que quelqu'un se réveille. Je suis un gars de release, une fois que ça sera fait je vais m'en aller pour un temps et laisser les grands jouer avec les voice clips et la compilation. Je me suis pas connecté à MSN depuis environ 1 mois, je garde Skype pour parler avec ma famille et Google Talk(Jabber, avec iChat) pour 2-3 amis très proche. And you know what, I don't miss it! Pour la release je ferai mes tests avec mon accompte de test, voilà tout. Pour me parler c'est le téléphone ou c'est l'email ou c'est rien (je peux appeler gratos au Québec ou en france ou ailleurs, je vais avoir besoin de parler à Tom H soon). Ok, lol, la ML en french, c bizarre.. en tt k, si c le cas, je te designe un nouveau role.. on va faire ca en anglais cette fois... Ok, well, from what you said, you're a guy who loves doing releases and getting some butts kicked and be in the final rush before the releases.. in that case, I will gladly give you the new, open position of release butt-kicker.. too bad SF doesn't have that in its list of roles.. anyways, I'm also fed up like you, but I'm not that good at motivating people or making release-related decisions, so if you want, you can start doing that.. you decide on EVERYTHING about the release of 0.96.. once it's done, if you want to keep bug fixing, then cool, if you don't, then you can sleep again, but when you feel the time has come for 0.97, it will be your responsability to start a new thread with the subject 0.97 release in XX days... and announce the feature freeze and make everyone move to the final steps... do you accept the position offered? :) For the Mac version, as I did with 0.95, we're gonna keep our own skin. Someone on the Linux/Windows decide should decide if they change skin, if you do a small contest as a vote for the forum, if you change for Emerald. I don't want to make a decision but I expect this to be all decided / commited by the end of october, if you don't take a decision then let's keep everything as it is right now. So Windows/Linux guy, DO SOMETHING. aha! that's why you don't want the contest, because it doesn't affect it :p anyways, for me too, I don't care, I only suggested the contest when users on the forums requested emerald to become the new default one... then I proposed the contest... Lee has an idea about this, I'll let him post his thoughts himself. KKRT Jérôme Blog: http://j-mac-blog.blogspot.com Courriel: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iChat AIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: germinator5000 Le 14 octobre 2006 à 19:45, Youness Alaoui a écrit : lol, et toi qu'elle mouche t'a pique? je te vois jamais sur msn, je voulais te parler depuis trop longtemps sans jamais te trouver... et toi aussi t'es rentre dans le cercle de l'inactivite, j'aimerais bien retrouver l'equipe active d'autrefois... Anyways, about 0.96, as you always know, I never make the decisions, I propose them, if you prefer to release 0.96 now and leave the contest for a new skin for 0.97, then ok, if you prefer to do the contest with what we already have, then it's also ok for me... a lot of users on the forums already proposed Emerald as the new skin, maybe it's a good choice, I never tried it, so I can't tell.. Before, we wanted to do the contest, but we never did, I don't know the reasons, I think it's because we decided to get 0.95 out for christmas and didn't want to wait for the contest... if we're in a similar situation now, then let's forget about the contest... and I think we are, but I'm not sure... What I would prefer is to release 0.96 as soon as we move to the new website... move everything, announce the new URL, and release... in that case, we won't wait for the contest... maybe do a quick poll in the forums and that's it ? or maybe announce it at the same time as 0.96 since we'll get more users to check the website... what do you think ? KKRT On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 05:35:37PM -0700, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: Mon dieu qu'elle mouche t'a piquée? T'es tu levé du mauvais côté ce matin? Genre tu es tombé du lit, ta tête a frappé ton ordinateur
Re: [Amsn-devel] Domain Name Poll... WAS : Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...
On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 07:18:02PM -0700, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer wrote: Ok, thx, I'm glad that YOU ARE STILLL ALIVEE... lol, seriously though, the inactivity of the ML is killing me... No comment -- I cannot find the email that explains why we should move out of sourceforge, especially for the main website. I'm really, really, really, really, affraid that now that we get out of sourceforge, that we're gonna get some news from Microsoft. Hidden behind the sourceforge domain name is one thing, get amsn-messager.net or any web domain with the name MSN will probably bring Microsoft to us, I foresee a lot of problems. In my opinion this is suicide. Remember what happened to dMSN and their domain name? You all forgot that? Hey, Jerome, You are right at being afraid, and Alvaro has the same fears as you... but I don't think we should limit ourselves because of those fears..w hat's the worst that could ever happen ? they tell us to change our name ? that's it ? then we'll do it and we'll move, just like so many projects did.. and look at the thread right now, you already want to change the name to avoid M$ making us change it ? let's take the risk, if something happens, then we change it and that's it.. I think if we stay afraid and take no risks, then we won't be able to advance.. ever... also, what's the worst that could happen ? amsn dies ? well in that case, I don't see how much different it will be from our current situation.. when was the last 'meaningfull' commit done ? can't remember... there was no advancements since the 0.96 RC1 -- Keep the same domain name Jerome we can't keep amsn.sourceforge.net because it's a .sourecforge.net domain.. unless we use some trick and use the static ip of jronline... It's not that I don't want aMSN to be independant...it's just that Microsoft is gonna give us a lot of trouble one day or another. Right now, we just play with fire and we're gonna get burned one day or another. And I don't want to come back here in few months and answer the stupid I told you so, we all know we're gonna get problems if we do that. yes, I agree, we play with fire, but I prefer to play with fire than to let amsn die because of inactivity, lack of motivation, etc... and as u said, M$ will give us trouble one day or another, well, if they will, why not make something move until they do ? Also, what pushes me to get a domain name without fears is because 'amsnforums.net' was registered for a long time now and we never had any problems... I'll talk about that in another mail KKRT anyways, thx for the answer.. I also like the amsn-messenger.net BUT, as I said in an earlier email, to avoid any problems with M$, we should officially name the product.. we'll keep 'amsn', but we need to define the meaning of the acronym, and I was thinking about Another MeSseNger.. with amsn-messenger, it becomes another messenger-messenger? + it looks too much like msn messenger... so I wouldn't vote for amsn-messenger, even if it's nice! about the amsn.biz is available wtf is 'biz ? I also saw it when searching for available domains, it told me amsn.biz is available, but I never saw this .biz extension, what's that for ? humm.. ok, after some google, it seems to be for biz - business so, it's for e- commerce and marketing websites (mostly)... so, no .biz for me:) so we have : amsn-project.net -Tom -Youness amsn-team.net -Phil amsn-messenger.net - Harry ? - Lord Zak ? please complete the vote, the decision is not yet made!!! - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Domain Name Poll... WAS : Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...
No, I really don't think the name should change... many, many users will not be able to find us again if we do that, also, 'amsn' is 'amsn'... the name should stay... but we should consider 'msn' as 'messenger' or any other suitable acronym for that matter... KKRT On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 08:46:54AM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: You may be right. For the same reason Youness said we should formalize the meaning of the acronym amsn, but indeed that might not be enough. Also, because we want to go multi-protocol some day, we may want to get that 'MSN' out of our name. But: there are so many people that know the name 'aMSN' now, will they be able to find us again? Or will a lot of them think 'it seems that aMSN has died...'? Harry Op woensdag 11 oktober 2006 04:18, schreef Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer: Ok, thx, I'm glad that YOU ARE STILLL ALIVEE... lol, seriously though, the inactivity of the ML is killing me... No comment -- I cannot find the email that explains why we should move out of sourceforge, especially for the main website. I'm really, really, really, really, affraid that now that we get out of sourceforge, that we're gonna get some news from Microsoft. Hidden behind the sourceforge domain name is one thing, get amsn-messager.net or any web domain with the name MSN will probably bring Microsoft to us, I foresee a lot of problems. In my opinion this is suicide. Remember what happened to dMSN and their domain name? You all forgot that? -- Keep the same domain name Jerome It's not that I don't want aMSN to be independant...it's just that Microsoft is gonna give us a lot of trouble one day or another. Right now, we just play with fire and we're gonna get burned one day or another. And I don't want to come back here in few months and answer the stupid I told you so, we all know we're gonna get problems if we do that. anyways, thx for the answer.. I also like the amsn-messenger.net BUT, as I said in an earlier email, to avoid any problems with M$, we should officially name the product.. we'll keep 'amsn', but we need to define the meaning of the acronym, and I was thinking about Another MeSseNger.. with amsn-messenger, it becomes another messenger-messenger? + it looks too much like msn messenger... so I wouldn't vote for amsn-messenger, even if it's nice! about the amsn.biz is available wtf is 'biz ? I also saw it when searching for available domains, it told me amsn.biz is available, but I never saw this .biz extension, what's that for ? humm.. ok, after some google, it seems to be for biz - business so, it's for e- commerce and marketing websites (mostly)... so, no .biz for me:) so we have : amsn-project.net -Tom -Youness amsn-team.net -Phil amsn-messenger.net - Harry ? - Lord Zak ? please complete the vote, the decision is not yet made!!! - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Domain Name Poll... WAS : Hosting plans WAS : anold discussion...
On Wed, Oct 11, 2006 at 11:16:55AM +0200, Jonne Zutt wrote: Perhaps we should start a contest for a new name as well, just like for the default skin. We could launch the new name with amsn2 and let amsn remain amsn. Or perhaps we should not wait that long... no, no name change, I just said so, and for amsn2, we also talked about it, and we decided the name should stay so that it can benefit from the 'amsn' name reputation... if not, it will just be 'yet another messenger amongst so many.. ' btw, if you think about a new name, I like 'yaim' (yet another instant messenger) :p For the short term, I like multiple suggestions, such as amsn-project.whatever get-amsn.whatever amsnproject.whatever that, I like.. and finally, I'm getting to the point I've been posponing in my last 2 emails... as I said, we have amsnforums.net registered and we didn't have any problems.. why ? maybe because the 'msn' is inside a word, it's not separate, like 'amsn-forums.net', maybe that's not the reason.. I also think that dmsn had the problem because it was 'dmsn.whatever' which makes it too easy for people to get to his site with a typo... so maybe having something extra apart from the 'amsn' part is good enough to give us peace.. maybe we have to make the whole thing into a single word, like 'amsnproject.whatever', maybe it's not necessary.. I do like very much the get-amsn.whatever idea, I just hope it won't bring any problems... KKRT For the long term, I think it's best to use a contest, let the users help. I think the hosting provided by jronline is great, good job Sander :) And no, I don't know what happened to either ethereal (though i heard something about this) or dmsn exactly, you guys are making me curious by not giving additional info ;) lol, ethereal, don't know what happened.. and dmsn is mercury.. or was.. then M$ forced him to change his name from dmsn to something else (then he chose 'mercury') but for a long time, a few people knew that and it was difficult to find 'dmsn'... KKRT greetz On Wed, 2006-10-11 at 11:01 +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: - Original Message - From: Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may be right. For the same reason Youness said we should formalize the meaning of the acronym amsn, but indeed that might not be enough. Indeed it won't; MSN is a registered trademark... maybe you should seriously start considering a rename. Semi-serious: aMess ? :D I'd love it!! Or will a lot of them think 'it seems that aMSN has died...'? you may want to send some kind of update to the client saying aMSN has changed name... or something; I don't know if you can actually... maybe you may add some kind of message broadcasting function such as the querying of sf when searching for updates (without buggin the users, of course) amsn-project.net -Tom -Youness I'd go with this... amsn IS and always will be a project another suggestion - very trendy at the moment - www.get-amsn.WHATEVER amsn-messenger is really too close to msn messenger (even if now is called wlm) amsn-team.net -Phil amsn-messenger.net - Harry ? - Lord Zak ? - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] IMPORTANT : Re: Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...
Hello all, This is to announce that after reviewing the specs and the opportunity that was given to us by jronline, we decided to go with jronline, providing a simple text (or image) line thanking them for their hosting with a link to their site.. kind of the same we already have for thaking bitrock, or the image that links to sf.net in the Links section. One condition though, the link has to be visible by users without requiring them to scroll... The server wil lbe set up by Sander on thursday and we'll start to slowly move from SF to our new server. We'll also register a new name... I'm waiting to see your suggestions... I'd like amsn.net but it's already taken... (same for amsn.org and amsn.com) so we could take amsn-project.net or Phil is suggesting amsn-team.net (I don't like that one that much) what do you think ? KKRT On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 07:24:57PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Hum Is it a good thing to depend on the firm where someone of us is employed ? Do you know what happenned to Ethereal ? And what are the specs ? Phil Le Tuesday 10 October 2006 16:03, Sander Hoentjen a écrit : Ok I spoke with my employee today and the will sponsor aMSN a VDS, if we put up an advertisement banner for them. ( http://www.jronline.nl ) Sander On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 02:51 -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: Just reminding everyone that if noone disagrees or proposes something else, we will sign up with Webintelects... YOU HAVE ONLY 24 HOURS LEFT TO ANSWER... KaKaRoTo On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 12:22:21AM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Well, after a great chat with Youness we conclude that Webintellecs complies perfectly with our requirements so after the examination of money we have received for 4 days we think we can afford renting a VPS at Webintellecs for 40$/mo We think to buy a domain name like amsn.* to not rely on SF for redirection... So if someone has anything to say he can say it up to Monday evening (UTC-4 or EST) Phil --- -- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVD EV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
[Amsn-devel] Domain Name Poll... WAS : Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...
Ok, thx, I'm glad that YOU ARE STILLL ALIVEE... lol, seriously though, the inactivity of the ML is killing me... anyways, thx for the answer.. I also like the amsn-messenger.net BUT, as I said in an earlier email, to avoid any problems with M$, we should officially name the product.. we'll keep 'amsn', but we need to define the meaning of the acronym, and I was thinking about Another MeSseNger.. with amsn-messenger, it becomes another messenger-messenger? + it looks too much like msn messenger... so I wouldn't vote for amsn-messenger, even if it's nice! about the amsn.biz is available wtf is 'biz ? I also saw it when searching for available domains, it told me amsn.biz is available, but I never saw this .biz extension, what's that for ? humm.. ok, after some google, it seems to be for biz - business so, it's for e-commerce and marketing websites (mostly)... so, no .biz for me:) so we have : amsn-project.net -Tom -Youness amsn-team.net -Phil amsn-messenger.net - Harry ? - Lord Zak ? please complete the vote, the decision is not yet made!!! KKRT On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 10:58:47PM +0200, Lord Zak wrote: lol Harry Vennik, same idea :D 2006/10/10, Lord Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: amsn-project is nice... There is also amsn-messenger. You're right, amsn-team reveal that amsn is used by a sect :D 2006/10/10, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello all, This is to announce that after reviewing the specs and the opportunity that was given to us by jronline, we decided to go with jronline, providing a simple text (or image) line thanking them for their hosting with a link to their site.. kind of the same we already have for thaking bitrock, or the image that links to sf.net in the Links section. One condition though, the link has to be visible by users without requiring them to scroll... The server wil lbe set up by Sander on thursday and we'll start to slowly move from SF to our new server. We'll also register a new name... I'm waiting to see your suggestions... I'd like amsn.net but it's already taken... (same for amsn.org and amsn.com) so we could take amsn-project.net or Phil is suggesting amsn-team.net (I don't like that one that much) what do you think ? KKRT On Tue, Oct 10, 2006 at 07:24:57PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Hum Is it a good thing to depend on the firm where someone of us is employed ? Do you know what happenned to Ethereal ? And what are the specs ? Phil Le Tuesday 10 October 2006 16:03, Sander Hoentjen a écrit: Ok I spoke with my employee today and the will sponsor aMSN a VDS, if we put up an advertisement banner for them. ( http://www.jronline.nl ) Sander On Mon, 2006-10-09 at 02:51 -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: Just reminding everyone that if noone disagrees or proposes something else, we will sign up with Webintelects... YOU HAVE ONLY 24 HOURS LEFT TO ANSWER... KaKaRoTo On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 12:22:21AM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Well, after a great chat with Youness we conclude that Webintellecs complies perfectly with our requirements so after the examination of money we have received for 4 days we think we can afford renting a VPS at Webintellecs for 40$/mo We think to buy a domain name like amsn.* to not rely on SF for redirection... So if someone has anything to say he can say it up to Monday evening (UTC-4 or EST) Phil --- -- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVD EV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=54091ugn=amsntype=prweb Is something wrong Is it that SF was down for a while today or is it that people decided not to visit our website now that we have ads... KKRT On Sat, Oct 07, 2006 at 02:15:00PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: *Add Google AdSense and move to a better server - Youness - Alvaro - Phil *Stay with SF and no ads - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] IMPORTANT : Re: Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...
Thank you Phil for taking the time to write Lee... I'm still not convinced by him... he is indeed alone, he makes a promise for a 24h answer, but it can't be a always true (you never know, he has an accident and he's at the hospital for a month... or whatever). Also, in case we have a big problem, the whole website is down, we have to reboot.. we write to him, and wait.. at least.. 6 hours ? before it can be up again... with other technologies, we can, oh shit, it's down, ok, let's reboot it right away... Also, I didn't understand that firewall thing... debian vs. suse ? wtf... But what I liked about him (I think) is that we have more freedom on what we can choose, like for example the virtualization technology.. but the question is do we need that... I definitely prefer a maximum of flexibility... humm.. although, when you think about it, I wonder what is really more flexible.. virtuozzo allowing you to reboot remotely, or being able to choose the virtualization technology (OS, not including virtuozo) btw, here's a demo of plesk8 http://www.swsoft.com/en/products/plesk8/demo/ and you can take a look at these screenies for virtuozzo power panel (I know, low res, but that's all I found) : http://www.swsoft.com/en/products/virtuozzo/screenshots/virtuozzo_vzpp_01/ you have other screenies here : http://www.swsoft.com/en/products/virtuozzo/lib/ Also note that Sander requested one more day for the deadline, as he will ask the company he works for, what they can offer, and what price would it be for the same specs we currently have.. here's the website : http://www.jronline.nl/ yes, I know.. it's only in dutch... KKRT On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 06:13:30PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: I mailed Lee from Leeware : My mail : Hi, I am part of the aMSN project and we are actually seeking for a hosting servie... We would be interested to rent a VPS300 server but before, we have some questions about how it works... First, it's not clear if we can reboot remotely our server if it hanged Have we to send you an email to let you reboot the server or can we do that remotely through a management console ? Second, I saw on webhostingtalk.com that you are alone in your company... So if you have any trouble who will do the support ? Especially if we need to reboot our server because it hanged Thanks in advance for your replies... Philippe Valembois His mail : #1. Your server will appear to you like a dedicated server. Therefore, you will not be able to control it remotely. #2. If you are thinking about debian then you should be aware that our images do not support IPTABLES if you need it you should choose SUSE10 under XEN. I do fully support debian on other virtualization technologies. However. those other technologies while flexible will cost you in terms of performance. If you need near realtime performance then XEN is the way to go. #3. As stated in my TOS/AUP each customer is promised a response within 24 hours. However, I monitor this email account actively up to 16 hours a day. Which means that the longest you will wait for a response is usually 15 minutes - 6 hours. I have to sleep sometimes. I just happend to be up now because I had a lot of orders to complete. Furthermore, I provide unmanaged services. I have been fortunate enough to build a business that not only stable but where people don't bother much with mundane requests. I get a few reboot requests per month but that's usually, from a) newbies that lock themselves out or try to repartition there systems (The remedy in the later case being a full reinstall. b) Peoples who servers run out of resources and stop responding due to buggy software. However, those are rare. The rest of the support issues are related to RDNS or for information on how to do stuff. But again rare. Hope this helps and good luck. Phil P.S. I mailed him about the firewall thing as I don't think it is clear... So I will post here his reply as soon he replies PPS I didn't sent this mail as soon as I received him... I sent my mail Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:49:21 UTC I received his reply Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:25:06 UTC - It was 5:00 when he sent the mail... Le Monday 09 October 2006 08:51, Youness Alaoui a écrit : Just reminding everyone that if noone disagrees or proposes something else, we will sign up with Webintelects... YOU HAVE ONLY 24 HOURS LEFT TO ANSWER... KaKaRoTo On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 12:22:21AM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Well, after a great chat with Youness we conclude that Webintellecs complies perfectly with our requirements so after the examination of money we have received for 4 days we think we can afford renting a VPS at Webintellecs for 40$/mo We think to buy a domain name like amsn.* to not rely on SF for redirection... So if someone has anything to say he can say it up to Monday evening (UTC-4
Re: [Amsn-devel] IMPORTANT : Re: Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...
Ok, thx for the info... I'd be interested in knowing what are the solution for a protected system in case that iptables can't run (and I still don't understand why it won't run)... how 'secure' is the system without iptables (firewalling taken care of by the host system?) not important for me to know this because I already made my choice... thx anyway! KKRT On Mon, Oct 09, 2006 at 11:35:00PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Lee's reply about the firewall : I have a couple environments that will support debian with IP tables but there is a performance overhead associated with it so depending on how you intend to use the system that's something to keep in mind. Phil Le Monday 09 October 2006 18:13, Philippe Valembois - Phil a écrit : I mailed Lee from Leeware : My mail : Hi, I am part of the aMSN project and we are actually seeking for a hosting servie... We would be interested to rent a VPS300 server but before, we have some questions about how it works... First, it's not clear if we can reboot remotely our server if it hanged Have we to send you an email to let you reboot the server or can we do that remotely through a management console ? Second, I saw on webhostingtalk.com that you are alone in your company... So if you have any trouble who will do the support ? Especially if we need to reboot our server because it hanged Thanks in advance for your replies... Philippe Valembois His mail : #1. Your server will appear to you like a dedicated server. Therefore, you will not be able to control it remotely. #2. If you are thinking about debian then you should be aware that our images do not support IPTABLES if you need it you should choose SUSE10 under XEN. I do fully support debian on other virtualization technologies. However. those other technologies while flexible will cost you in terms of performance. If you need near realtime performance then XEN is the way to go. #3. As stated in my TOS/AUP each customer is promised a response within 24 hours. However, I monitor this email account actively up to 16 hours a day. Which means that the longest you will wait for a response is usually 15 minutes - 6 hours. I have to sleep sometimes. I just happend to be up now because I had a lot of orders to complete. Furthermore, I provide unmanaged services. I have been fortunate enough to build a business that not only stable but where people don't bother much with mundane requests. I get a few reboot requests per month but that's usually, from a) newbies that lock themselves out or try to repartition there systems (The remedy in the later case being a full reinstall. b) Peoples who servers run out of resources and stop responding due to buggy software. However, those are rare. The rest of the support issues are related to RDNS or for information on how to do stuff. But again rare. Hope this helps and good luck. Phil P.S. I mailed him about the firewall thing as I don't think it is clear... So I will post here his reply as soon he replies PPS I didn't sent this mail as soon as I received him... I sent my mail Sun, 8 Oct 2006 09:49:21 UTC I received his reply Sun, 8 Oct 2006 10:25:06 UTC - It was 5:00 when he sent the mail... Le Monday 09 October 2006 08:51, Youness Alaoui a écrit : Just reminding everyone that if noone disagrees or proposes something else, we will sign up with Webintelects... YOU HAVE ONLY 24 HOURS LEFT TO ANSWER... KaKaRoTo On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 12:22:21AM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Well, after a great chat with Youness we conclude that Webintellecs complies perfectly with our requirements so after the examination of money we have received for 4 days we think we can afford renting a VPS at Webintellecs for 40$/mo We think to buy a domain name like amsn.* to not rely on SF for redirection... So if someone has anything to say he can say it up to Monday evening (UTC-4 or EST) Phil --- -- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVD EV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp
Re: [Amsn-devel] Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 09:31:10AM +0200, Harry Vennik wrote: Hi, Hello, thanx for the feedback! I have not been able to keep up with this thread completely, but I read most of the mails quickly. I support the idea. About the money, I trust Youness to manage it, but stil want to stress that a few other people should have an eye on it. But I think you already said that in some e-mail earlier on the thread, so I think everything is just fine. cool, thanks for trusting me! (6) :) Yes, the admins (Jerome and Alvaro) should have access to the info about the ads income... possibly also vivia and phil, as I both trust them as if they were admins. About the ads on the site, just one remark: I really don't like the rectangular borders around some of them, they don't blend with our nice website. The placement of the ads is okay IMO. yeah.. I'm glad the positioning is good! about the bordes, it is an issue... billiob requested them, I added them then liked them, nowhereman didn't like them.. but I think it's a matter of taste... the problem is that we can have an image ad, in which case you get the image's border, then space, then the other border, and it becomes ugly... for that matter, I'll remove the borders for now. It will blend in better. For the domain, I think we should keep amsnforums.net as an alias that refers to the forums. Some new domain for our website (I don't care much about its exact name). Because amsn.sourceforge.net is quite well-known, there should be a proper 'We moved'-page/redirection there. Also be sure not to break our 'future-proof URLs' where the aMSN application refers to. well, my idea was to keep amsn.sourceforge.net/* redirecting automatically to amsn.net/* because of the static pages (amsn.sf.net/faq.php) and autoupdate URLs... we need it to be automaticly redirecting, no 'click here for...' so people can still use the amsn.sf.net without noticing we moved... that's my idea.. I just don't know how the http package of tcl works with redirects... will it still work for autoupdate ? or maybe keep autoupdate on sf.net ? humm.. KKRT Harry Op zondag 8 oktober 2006 01:26, schreef Youness Alaoui: In other words, here are the reasons for our choice : 1 - leeware, it's good, good prices but it's unmanaged, which means we have to do everything and in case a system crash, we need to write the guy so that he can reboot the machine.. and we can't do it remotely... 2 - rackforce.. it doesn't give enough info about their service, and I don't like that that much... 3 - startlogic.. they're good, but only a 3 month subscribtions + activaton fee... + they don't seem to give root access... 4 - clicserv, it's a dedicated server, not a virtual dedicated server, and the price is so low.. it sounds too good to be true, and I don't trust them at all... 5 - webintelects, it has a registration fee... The choice was either Leeware or webintelects... after viewing some reviews on WHT, we realized some stuff : 1 - Leeware is maintained by Lee (not clear_beast :P) and only him, it's not a company, it's a single guy who decided to do this stuff... and it seems his connection speed might not be 'optimal'... 2 - Webintelects is a company and has had good reviews... So only because of webintelects and the fact that it is a company, I'd like to go with it, because we don't want to have a one guy behind our stuff.. support is very important, and I think we can get better support from a company from a 'one guy in his garage'... About the domain, I thought about keeping amsnforums.net, we'll need to ask Yves if he wants to sell us the domain he has or not.. and we can also choose amsn.org or amsn.net (.net is better since it will be 'compatible' with amsnforums.net) . amsn.net is already bought by some domain sellers.. Phil proposed amsn-project.net... I don't know! But to avoid any problems with M$, we'll have to get an alibi for the 'amsn' name... there is already an amsn.com website for another company, if we want amsn.net we should choose a non problematic name.. like Another messenger... or something... I'm not saying amsn won't be amsn, but I'm saying that we'll keep 'amsn' but we'll need to officialize the meaning of the acronym... that's about it... KKRT On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 12:22:21AM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Well, after a great chat with Youness we conclude that Webintellecs complies perfectly with our requirements so after the examination of money we have received for 4 days we think we can afford renting a VPS at Webintellecs for 40$/mo We think to buy a domain name like amsn.* to not rely on SF for redirection... So if someone has anything to say he can say it up to Monday evening (UTC-4 or EST) Phil - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence
Re: [Amsn-devel] Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...
cool, thx or the advice.. I knew mod_rewrite and it's used by the userwiki
(redirecting wiki/* to
w/index.php?..
this also means that it's enabled in SF servers, so we can use that!
thx
KKRT
On Sun, Oct 08, 2006 at 03:49:54PM +0100, David Ramsden wrote:
Boris Faure (aka billiob) wrote:
On 10/8/06, NoWhereMan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you have just to try... sending a ?php header('Location: http://amsn.net/'
. __FILE__') ; ? (IIRC) may work or may not :/
IIRC, the http package doesn't follow the Location items.
I didn't reply about the best solution for the serv cause i haven't
enough knowledge on that.
Hello.
I am not a developer of aMSN but I'm subscribed to the list so I can
keep track of the latest developments and plans.
In this situation you will want to use Apache's mod_rewrite[0] module
for redirecting http://domainA.com/location to http://domainB.com/location.
mod_rewrite is a very powerful tool.
[0] http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_rewrite.html
Regards,
David.
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Hi, reopening another old thread : http://amsn.sourceforge.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1841 KKRT - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
update.. I made it more or less agressive.. I moved the ads lower, I removed the lower search box, I removed the links ads for firefox and google toolbar from the links block and I moved the advertisments blocks to a lower place... I also re-added the help block... One thing though, I added an ad at the top of the window.. I think it's better this way... also, I added a border around it, as requested by billiob, and I think it's much nicer this way... One thing though, the important one, which is why I'm writing this mail... I've been reading the google policies and been looking in their help and blogs, and newsgroups and whatever.. we CANNOT MODIFY the code they give us... so the search block which had a search on 'aMSN's site can't be there.. because all we can have is a search on amsn.sourceforge.net which is far more than the 10pixels allowed for the side panel.. so I had to remove searching amsn.sf.net because of this. Also, notice I added something new.. just type any search in the google box... That's it.. good night KKRT On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:12:30AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: Hi, if you don't like the idea of being paid, then don't :p you do it for fun, cool, others are not motivated and they might be motivated with a little money.. or just for the fun of I can get paid... About godaddy, I didn't take any subscription there, we're still waiting to see which hosting plan is best, with which service, and do we want a virtual dedicated server or just a site hosting (no ssh, only ftp...) we'll see.. The choice will be made depending on how much the ads can generate... KKRT On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 03:37:46PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Hi, I don't like the idea to be paid for the work I do on aMSN... Don't forget aMSN is for most of us a hobby and nothing more... For me, if we have too much money we can keep it in safe for days where we could need it... And don't forget : for now you decided to take subscription to godaddy.com but what do you do if it will be insufficient ? You could have to use another server maybe more expensive Phil Le Wednesday 04 October 2006 07:50, Youness Alaoui a écrit : I also agree on that, unless someone becomes a dictator (6) :D but yes, the purpose is to increase productivity not start flaming.. competition is good, but as long as it's in a good spirit... For now, we should decide if it's ok to do this or not.. how to share the money will come afterwards... KKRT On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:39:27PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: Hi, We must find a way to share the money, something everyone will agree upon, and something more specific than who contributes the most. Otherwise, we might end up arguing about who deserves more money, which will eventually decrease productivity. Personally, I don't care. I was about to add a don't care section when I saw the email, then I saw Jerome added it, then again... if I don't answer at all, it will count as a don't care, won't it? (In fact, I did sent the reply, but I accidentally used my gmail account and now it's deferred 451 :( ) Vivia On 10/3/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm going to reopen an old discussion we already had many times... I subscribed aMSN to the adSense program (http://google.com/adsense) This will have us add google ads inside of amsn's website, I think it's not agressive, I've seen it a lot, and I don't find it agressive like other ad banners... I hope everyone agrees with this. These ads will generate funds, and I hope we'll be able to use that to buy a domain and webspace with godaddy.com (2000GB transfer per month, 200GB space... ).. this will allow us to at least have a decent speed for the forums... Also, I'm hoping that if we can get enough money, we'll set up bounties.. which means, for each bug (or commit) a certain amount of money will be given as a 'reward'.. and I sincerely hope that this will motivate people to work a little bit more on aMSN... Finally, the only issue with this is that google doesn't work with paypal, their only way of pay is by sending checks monthly to an address with the check labeled to an individual's name. I gave mine. This, of course, brings up the question of do you trust me?.. I hope everyone trusts me to manage that money... Also, if we really get enough money, I'd like to give a small salary to everyone participating, rewards from time to time, etc.. for example, I'm managing the team (less and less), but if I spend hours on aMSN everyday talking about the issues, assigning tasks and answering emails, reviewing svn commit logs, etc... but I don't do any commit... does it mean I don't have the right to receive a small amount
Re: [Amsn-devel] Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...
cool... I found this from one of the threads : http://vpschoice.com/ it looks like a great resource! I found this : http://www.leeware.com/vps300.html maybe interesting... KKRT On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 02:26:28PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: - Original Message - From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip!] if I were in you I'd ask here too http://www.webhostingtalk.com/ bye! - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...
Humm.. it looks good, but isn't it too good to be true ? why would it be that cheap ? anyways, it looks interesting... don't know if we have enough information on what they provide... Anyways.. we'll see.. for now I want everyone's vote... got 3 answers, everyone is sending new links but aren't sorting the list I gave by preference.. if you want to give a new link, then give and give your preference on my list (including your new provider in the list).. anyways.. we need to decide if we want to move.. and not in a month or two... KKRT On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 06:17:19PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: The one mentioned here is bad : it hasn't any admin access it's only a web server... I propose one I found on the net : http://www.clicserv.fr/page.php?id=cmVmPXN1aXRlJnJ1Yj0zNiZzaXRlPTE= But be careful !! If you go to the .com domain you will have prices in dollars and a dedicated server is 53,33 US $ for a by month payment but if you go on the .fr page with prices in euros you have 24,44 € A nice reduction ;) It's valid for .co.uk domain too... Don't worry it's not because you will go to the clickserv.fr domain that you will buy a .fr domain :p Phil Le Friday 06 October 2006 15:05, Christian Sonne a écrit : I've never used them, but talked with people who have, and I just thought I'd mention it... http://www.servage.net/ offers a pretty sweet package (if you ask me) 110GB storage, 1110GB/month transfer, free setup, + a lot more for just approximatly $9.5/month or 7.5 euro/month And yes, everyone knows 'unlimited' is never really unlimited, but people say that they've been known to temporarily (rest of day) close an account if it exceeds ~43GB/day in transfers... Just an idea... FreakCERS Thanks, KaKaRoTo - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Contact Cards and MSN spaces
ahh, 100% CLEAR! :D yes, when requesting information about the blogs, there is a field in the XML : hasNewItemtrue/hasNewItem which identifies whether there is a new item... it's server side (since it keeps track of what is 'new' and what is 'already viewed') and not compatible with non-live blogs... the hasnewitem thing can be added to aMSN but only for live-spaces... KKRT On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 05:13:10PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: - Original Message - From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] I still don't understand :|:| bang! :D when your contacts update their blog on live spaces you can see gleams (blinking stars, or however-you-call-it) near their nick. this doesn't look like a feature you can add to a non-live-space blog, which was what Odin was wondering about. Actually he was wondering if you could add such an option to the aMsn client (use-my-custom-blog-for-gleams), but this in fact is not a client-related feature, but more a live-spaces feature with which messenger is notified. clearer, now? ^_^ bye - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Hosting plans WAS : an old discussion...
Ok, now is the time to start thinking about the VDS/VPS (virtual dedicated/private server) to use... there are several solutions, what I don't like is the fact that they rarely give you the number of bps speed the site will have... Ok, well, first, we need to do our math... in november 2005, we were using 90GB per month of bandwidth, once 0.95 was released, it jumped to 180GB and it stayed constant like that... when we release 0.96 and 0.97 with the new exciting features, we should also expect it to double... so from 180GB, rounding it up to 200GB, we should assume we'll need 500GB/m of bandwidth... this is the 'worst case scenario', we simply don't want to use more than that someday and be stuck... Also, we currently use everyday an average of 6GB per day, which means an average of 73KB per second... this means, the connection speed needs to deliver 580Kbps... assuming there is a 'rush hour' and normal hours, we should expect the number of KB served to be the double (or triple?) of the average... so I think a 1.5Mbps connection would be enough... but I don't know how well it will handle the rush during the 0.96 release time... With that said, we need to find the appropriate hosting plan.. there are quite a few, I searched for them and found a few good opportunities. First, we need to set up our requirements.. what do we need.. one thing for sure is that I want to have SSH access to the PC, not only FTP access to just upload my files, that's for sure... so let's forget the web hosting and the VPS plans without SSH... while we're at it.. we will be paying money for the server, so I think we really should have root access... that's one additional requirement I think. What do we need apart from that ? well, for now, we're living with 100MB of storage at SF.net, but what about the database, last time I saw, it was taking more than 500MB, and I think it will be counted as the VPS disk usage... the DB is growing fast, and I suspect it is already using 1GB... so I think we should have at least, the very strict minimum, being 1GB, but hopefully 5GB + we'll need to periodically maintain the bug database, making sure fixed bugs are deleted (leaving only a few reports)... so, here is a compilation of what I found so far... I would like everyone (who is interested) to review the different plans and post a vote for a company/plan. Don't forget to see what the plan is.. for example, some are '34.99$' but when you look carefully, it's only for a 2 year subscription, while a monthly subscription is 49.99$... I would vote myself for a minimal subscription possible, I would hate it if we were forced to stay with a company, with bad service only because we payed a full year in advance... (that's what they request usually), so if it's monthly payments possible, compare those prices... if it's a 3month subscription minimum, take it into consideration... now here are the links : SF web traffic stats for amsn : http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=54091ugn=amsntype=prwebmode=12months an article about VPS, maybe some good tips to read : http://www.sitepoint.com/article/virtual-private-server a top10 list of VPS companies : http://www.hosting-review.com/top-10-lists/top-10-vps-hosts.shtml and now, the VPS plans are... : webintellects : http://www.webintellects.com/solutions/linuxvpsplans.htm#Price rackforce : http://www.rackforce.com/dds_dedicated_servers/dds_virtual_private_servers.html?lid=dds_virtual_private_serverslpos=top_menu startlogic : http://startlogic.com/products_virtualserver.html ipower : http://ipower.com/virtual.html godaddy : https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hosting/virtual.asp?isc=cjchost20se=%2Bci=466display=virtual midphase : http://midphase.com/html_files/hosting_plan_vps.php that's all that is 'of interest'... I'd like you to not only vote, but also try to sort them by preference... here is mine : 1 - webintellects 2 - startlogic 3 - godaddy 4 - rackforce 6 - ipower 7 - midphase What are your other ratings ? Let's decide this so we can move out of SF and start living peacefully again... Thanks, KaKaRoTo On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:12:30AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: Hi, if you don't like the idea of being paid, then don't :p you do it for fun, cool, others are not motivated and they might be motivated with a little money.. or just for the fun of I can get paid... About godaddy, I didn't take any subscription there, we're still waiting to see which hosting plan is best, with which service, and do we want a virtual dedicated server or just a site hosting (no ssh, only ftp...) we'll see.. The choice will be made depending on how much the ads can generate... KKRT On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 03:37:46PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Hi, I don't like the idea to be paid for the work I do on aMSN... Don't forget aMSN is for most of us a hobby and nothing more... For me, if we
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
Anyways, I added it to the website... can someone please please review the code.. I 'tried' to make it work with CSS and the html/php.. it renders well in opera, firefox, IE... Jerome, can you look at it with safari ? other users, with konqueror.. etc... I had to change the CSS as it seems it didn't render well in IE (even before the changes :o) and it still doesn't, but I fixed one of the bugs (the side panels would go under the text in the middle, not stay on the side..) KKRT On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 01:50:30AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: I also agree on that, unless someone becomes a dictator (6) :D but yes, the purpose is to increase productivity not start flaming.. competition is good, but as long as it's in a good spirit... For now, we should decide if it's ok to do this or not.. how to share the money will come afterwards... KKRT On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:39:27PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: Hi, We must find a way to share the money, something everyone will agree upon, and something more specific than who contributes the most. Otherwise, we might end up arguing about who deserves more money, which will eventually decrease productivity. Personally, I don't care. I was about to add a don't care section when I saw the email, then I saw Jerome added it, then again... if I don't answer at all, it will count as a don't care, won't it? (In fact, I did sent the reply, but I accidentally used my gmail account and now it's deferred 451 :( ) Vivia On 10/3/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm going to reopen an old discussion we already had many times... I subscribed aMSN to the adSense program (http://google.com/adsense) This will have us add google ads inside of amsn's website, I think it's not agressive, I've seen it a lot, and I don't find it agressive like other ad banners... I hope everyone agrees with this. These ads will generate funds, and I hope we'll be able to use that to buy a domain and webspace with godaddy.com (2000GB transfer per month, 200GB space... ).. this will allow us to at least have a decent speed for the forums... Also, I'm hoping that if we can get enough money, we'll set up bounties.. which means, for each bug (or commit) a certain amount of money will be given as a 'reward'.. and I sincerely hope that this will motivate people to work a little bit more on aMSN... Finally, the only issue with this is that google doesn't work with paypal, their only way of pay is by sending checks monthly to an address with the check labeled to an individual's name. I gave mine. This, of course, brings up the question of do you trust me?.. I hope everyone trusts me to manage that money... Also, if we really get enough money, I'd like to give a small salary to everyone participating, rewards from time to time, etc.. for example, I'm managing the team (less and less), but if I spend hours on aMSN everyday talking about the issues, assigning tasks and answering emails, reviewing svn commit logs, etc... but I don't do any commit... does it mean I don't have the right to receive a small amount of money ? This applies to anyone else.. like Nowhereman, or snipe for example, they help in the forums, they work on the userwiki (not really:P WHERE ARE YOU!!! :p) but they can't commit anything... so maybe they'll also need a little encouragement.. of course, all this, is only 'if we get enough money'... if we get 7$ a month, and the hosting costs us 6.29$ then we can't expect to give much rewards... Final thing.. IF this whole subject brings ANY trouble... people start yelling, complaining, or anything, this whole thing will be shut down entirely to avoid any additional problems. We all know that with money comes problems, well, I hope we're all mature enough not to be greedy, but if we are, then everyone will loose... I'll post a poll, just to make sure everyone agrees... once the majority is giving his ok on the subject (I DO NOT WANT ANY FLAME WAR TO START), then we'll add the ads to the website... if most people don't want this to happen, then we'll drop the idea. *Add Google AdSense - Youness - Alvaro *Stay with SF and no ads Hope to hear from you! KaKaRoTo - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel -- Where
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
Hi, if you don't like the idea of being paid, then don't :p you do it for fun, cool, others are not motivated and they might be motivated with a little money.. or just for the fun of I can get paid... About godaddy, I didn't take any subscription there, we're still waiting to see which hosting plan is best, with which service, and do we want a virtual dedicated server or just a site hosting (no ssh, only ftp...) we'll see.. The choice will be made depending on how much the ads can generate... KKRT On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 03:37:46PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Hi, I don't like the idea to be paid for the work I do on aMSN... Don't forget aMSN is for most of us a hobby and nothing more... For me, if we have too much money we can keep it in safe for days where we could need it... And don't forget : for now you decided to take subscription to godaddy.com but what do you do if it will be insufficient ? You could have to use another server maybe more expensive Phil Le Wednesday 04 October 2006 07:50, Youness Alaoui a écrit : I also agree on that, unless someone becomes a dictator (6) :D but yes, the purpose is to increase productivity not start flaming.. competition is good, but as long as it's in a good spirit... For now, we should decide if it's ok to do this or not.. how to share the money will come afterwards... KKRT On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:39:27PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: Hi, We must find a way to share the money, something everyone will agree upon, and something more specific than who contributes the most. Otherwise, we might end up arguing about who deserves more money, which will eventually decrease productivity. Personally, I don't care. I was about to add a don't care section when I saw the email, then I saw Jerome added it, then again... if I don't answer at all, it will count as a don't care, won't it? (In fact, I did sent the reply, but I accidentally used my gmail account and now it's deferred 451 :( ) Vivia On 10/3/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm going to reopen an old discussion we already had many times... I subscribed aMSN to the adSense program (http://google.com/adsense) This will have us add google ads inside of amsn's website, I think it's not agressive, I've seen it a lot, and I don't find it agressive like other ad banners... I hope everyone agrees with this. These ads will generate funds, and I hope we'll be able to use that to buy a domain and webspace with godaddy.com (2000GB transfer per month, 200GB space... ).. this will allow us to at least have a decent speed for the forums... Also, I'm hoping that if we can get enough money, we'll set up bounties.. which means, for each bug (or commit) a certain amount of money will be given as a 'reward'.. and I sincerely hope that this will motivate people to work a little bit more on aMSN... Finally, the only issue with this is that google doesn't work with paypal, their only way of pay is by sending checks monthly to an address with the check labeled to an individual's name. I gave mine. This, of course, brings up the question of do you trust me?.. I hope everyone trusts me to manage that money... Also, if we really get enough money, I'd like to give a small salary to everyone participating, rewards from time to time, etc.. for example, I'm managing the team (less and less), but if I spend hours on aMSN everyday talking about the issues, assigning tasks and answering emails, reviewing svn commit logs, etc... but I don't do any commit... does it mean I don't have the right to receive a small amount of money ? This applies to anyone else.. like Nowhereman, or snipe for example, they help in the forums, they work on the userwiki (not really:P WHERE ARE YOU!!! :p) but they can't commit anything... so maybe they'll also need a little encouragement.. of course, all this, is only 'if we get enough money'... if we get 7$ a month, and the hosting costs us 6.29$ then we can't expect to give much rewards... Final thing.. IF this whole subject brings ANY trouble... people start yelling, complaining, or anything, this whole thing will be shut down entirely to avoid any additional problems. We all know that with money comes problems, well, I hope we're all mature enough not to be greedy, but if we are, then everyone will loose... I'll post a poll, just to make sure everyone agrees... once the majority is giving his ok on the subject (I DO NOT WANT ANY FLAME WAR TO START), then we'll add the ads to the website... if most people don't want this to happen, then we'll drop the idea. *Add Google AdSense - Youness - Alvaro *Stay with SF and no ads Hope to hear from you! KaKaRoTo
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
I agree that the lower one is out of place.. it's because I was unable to position it correctly with all that CSS stuff.. it is optional, so we might remove it later on.. for now we'll test and see how it works with all that.. and I'm probably not the best one with layout design, so someone should maybe reposition all that.. also we have wayyy too many side panels.. a left and right panel would be good, no ? or would it not ? KKRT On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 08:27:43PM +1000, Arieh Schneier wrote: Hey, As it seems with a number of others, its been a while since I've had time to work on amsn, although I'm hoping things will calm down and I will be able to do more. I thought I'd still give my 2 cents (not that it is going to count for much if you see where I put my name), and at least show that I have been following the emails and commits. Also I checked out the temp page but it was gone, so I checked and found that the main page now has it :). I didn't find it too intrusive, although didn't think the second search down the bottom was necessary, in fact I found it a bit out of place. POLL : *Add Google AdSense - Youness - Alvaro - JeeBee *Stay with SF and no ads - *Don't care - Jerome - Vivia - Arieh - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
yep, possible.. KKRT On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 09:19:18AM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: - Original Message - From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mailing list for developers and everyone helping AMSN amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:43 AM Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion... sorry, I rectify.. we have the right to : PER PAGE.. so we can also have two in the forums.. if someone knows how to add that to the forums, PLEASE do so... and btw.. the search can only be on a domain, not on a path, so the search will be on amsn.sf.net not amsn.sf.net/forums... (I tried, google refuses it) i guess you can anyway hack it a bit, because using site:amsn.sourceforge.net/forums in query works nice bye - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Contact Cards and MSN spaces
Thx for being the only one who cares :p too bad none of the GUI guys do... :'( I didn't undesrtand what you meant by set our own blog to the msn-notification.. maybe we can, if only I understood what you meant, I could answer you :) thx KKRT On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:59:56AM +0200, Odin Omdal Hørthe wrote: On 9/10/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: noone cares??? ^o) are we soon going to see some 'msn spaces' GUI integration with amsn ? Wohoo! Nice. I´ve quit using MSN (evil proprietary Microsoft-stuff), only using Jabber now (got my girlfriend and a few others using it ;-) ). But this was a thing I was waiting for when using aMSN. Really nice work Youness. I hate MSN Spaces, -- but it is nice to have many features like this in aMSN ;-) The best would be if we could set our own blog to the msn-notification. But MS being as evil as they are, I´m sure it´s all serverside and locked up to msn spaces. :-) Nice work. -- Beste helsing, Odin Hørthe Omdal [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.velmont.net - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Contact Cards and MSN spaces
I still don't understand :|:| KKRT On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 04:24:48PM +0200, NoWhereMan wrote: - Original Message - From: Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] if only I understood what you meant, I could answer you :) gleam not only for spaces but for whatever blog you're using. for instance on nowhereland.it I have my own blog but of course people are not notified when I update... a kind of trackback ping for msn. unfortunately I don't think such a thing can exist, and however I'm sure it doesn't depend on the msn client - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 04:30:04AM -0400, Jerome Gagnon-Voyer wrote: I haven't answer in months but still..i'm here and I love you all. moi non plus :p Well...I have AdSense on my blog...and I think this is not enough money. We thing ads are a big deal but ... no. We won't get any money from that...not a lot tho. We can try butit's really not a lot of money. But still...I don't have a problem to give you control on that money. So do you what you want.but you won't get a lot of money. Well, it depends.. how many visitors you get in your blog ? I think there are two modes (correct me if I'm wrong), you can either get payed 'per click' or 'per view', so either everytime someone clicks or everytime someone opens the amsn website.. I don't know how much money each solution would make though... but anyways, we get a LOT of visitors, especially if we release 0.96 for example, or if we add some new super cool feature.. we'll get a lot of visits.. and it could give us more money than what you get from your blog.. I'm not talking hundreds or thousands, I'm talking about the objective of 7$ a month in order to pay for better hosting... Merci, and I'll see you later. If someone going to San Francisco...just leave me a message I hope you're having fun in San Francisco.. but how come you're a traveller all of a sudden ? Special Hi to Vivia, Billiob, Fred and Youness Hello :) btw, I'd like to see you online some time, I've got something we need to discuss, so if you could try and open msn from time to time (or unblock me if that's the case), would be nice! Take care KaKaRoTo http://j-mac-blog.blogspot.com On Tuesday, October 03, 2006, at 00:58AM, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgot to say.. admins only will be able to see how much money this generates, for two reasons : 1 - It's more fair if I wasn't the only one to access that info. 2 - I don't want the financial details to be given to everyone as this does not concern them and it will only generate problems... But, on request, at the admin's discretion, that info could be shared with a non-admin in private... I'm sure I had something else to add.. but I just can't remember right now... :@ POLL : *Add Google AdSense - Youness - Alvaro *Stay with SF and no ads KKRT On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 11:44:34PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: Hi, I'm going to reopen an old discussion we already had many times... I subscribed aMSN to the adSense program (http://google.com/adsense) This will have us add google ads inside of amsn's website, I think it's not agressive, I've seen it a lot, and I don't find it agressive like other ad banners... I hope everyone agrees with this. These ads will generate funds, and I hope we'll be able to use that to buy a domain and webspace with godaddy.com (2000GB transfer per month, 200GB space... ).. this will allow us to at least have a decent speed for the forums... Also, I'm hoping that if we can get enough money, we'll set up bounties.. which means, for each bug (or commit) a certain amount of money will be given as a 'reward'.. and I sincerely hope that this will motivate people to work a little bit more on aMSN... Finally, the only issue with this is that google doesn't work with paypal, their only way of pay is by sending checks monthly to an address with the check labeled to an individual's name. I gave mine. This, of course, brings up the question of do you trust me?.. I hope everyone trusts me to manage that money... Also, if we really get enough money, I'd like to give a small salary to everyone participating, rewards from time to time, etc.. for example, I'm managing the team (less and less), but if I spend hours on aMSN everyday talking about the issues, assigning tasks and answering emails, reviewing svn commit logs, etc... but I don't do any commit... does it mean I don't have the right to receive a small amount of money ? This applies to anyone else.. like Nowhereman, or snipe for example, they help in the forums, they work on the userwiki (not really:P WHERE ARE YOU!!! :p) but they can't commit anything... so maybe they'll also need a little encouragement.. of course, all this, is only 'if we get enough money'... if we get 7$ a month, and the hosting costs us 6.29$ then we can't expect to give much rewards... Final thing.. IF this whole subject brings ANY trouble... people start yelling, complaining, or anything, this whole thing will be shut down entirely to avoid any additional problems. We all know that with money comes problems, well, I hope we're all mature enough not to be greedy, but if we are, then everyone will loose... I'll post a poll, just to make sure everyone agrees... once the majority is giving his ok on the subject (I DO NOT WANT ANY FLAME WAR TO START
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
Take a look here : http://amsn.sourceforge.net/ind.php I put a lot of ads... 2 referal buttons in the Links section.. added an ad unit in the side panel under Advertisements, added a google search in the bottom (I like that, even if it doesn't bring in any money.. you just search for 'seek webcam', it finds the thread in the forums.. it's great! :)) and a wide ads at the bottom.. I think it's slightly a lot.. but it's not that bad... I'll be waiting for suggestions... btw, we have the right to : 3 ad units (like the one in the side bar) 2 google search 1 links unit I don't know how many referals allowed.. take a look here to see the different formats of ads : https://www.google.com/adsense/adformats what do you think? KaKaRoTo On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:52:50AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:47:18AM +0200, Jonne Zutt wrote: The forum and bugs site have terrible performance. (for the bugs site is not completely sf's fault I think, because I made a local copy and it performed terrible either, could be my local configuration too...yes, i know the database is quite big) Bugs is probably caused by huge database, understandable.. but forums.. I don't know, maybe it's also because of the database (even if they are separate databases ?) but not sure.. anyways, the biggest issue is the forums.. Could be Jerome is right it doesn't make much money and hence isn't very useful, but if Youness wants to try it, I like that :) (and trust you of course). Thx for trusting me :p we'll see about the money it generates.. for now, it's not important.. I don't like that part about counting commits/forum messages/whatever though. I'd prefer counting bug fixes / new features better. Might be too much work though. I'll settle with everything since it's not my goal to make any money out of this (lucky for me :P) Nah, I'm not talking about counting the commits/forum msgs.. I'm talking about ok, this person contributes a lot lately, he/she deserves a little reward, more like that... the bounties on bug fix/new features is indeed a better idea (Alvaro's idea btw), but I'd like both solutions to be applied.. but as I said before, this will really depend on how much money this will generate... KKRT POLL : *Add Google AdSense - Youness - Alvaro - JeeBee *Stay with SF and no ads - *Don't care - Jerome - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
Well, how about we try this for a couple of days, then see how much revenue it gives, then decide whether we get a hosting service... if after a week, we get 10cents.. then forget it, if we get 10$, then cool, let's do it... + SF will never notice if we do it for a short period.. and we're not 'using their services to generate revenue', but instead, we try to generate a revenue in order to get out of their service.. not the same thing.. what do you think ? or is it better to do it your way, pay for it then see what happens ? KaKaroTo On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:32:05PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: Hi, sorry You can forget this idea Youness : from https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=4297group_id=1#acceptable_use Advertisements and Commercial Usage: The SourceForge.net project web service may not be used for advertising (including Google Ads and other banner ad services), revenue generation, or commercial use. Commercial entities which operate projects at SourceForge.net may use the project web service to host content about their project, including links back to a company web site, and to display the company logo, but they may not host the company web site using SourceForge.net resources; commerce activities are prohibited (such as running a store front in project web space, or displaying company price lists). SourceForge.net pays money to provide these services to projects; we think it unfair for projects to directly derive revenue from our service offering. We place no such usage restrictions on project web sites that are hosted on private servers (i.e. those not hosted on the SourceForge.net project web servers). Phil P.S. The only thing you can do is : pay a server from your own coins and hope you will get cash back... Le Tuesday 03 October 2006 19:11, Youness Alaoui a écrit : Take a look here : http://amsn.sourceforge.net/ind.php I put a lot of ads... 2 referal buttons in the Links section.. added an ad unit in the side panel under Advertisements, added a google search in the bottom (I like that, even if it doesn't bring in any money.. you just search for 'seek webcam', it finds the thread in the forums.. it's great! :)) and a wide ads at the bottom.. I think it's slightly a lot.. but it's not that bad... I'll be waiting for suggestions... btw, we have the right to : 3 ad units (like the one in the side bar) 2 google search 1 links unit I don't know how many referals allowed.. take a look here to see the different formats of ads : https://www.google.com/adsense/adformats what do you think? KaKaRoTo On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:52:50AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:47:18AM +0200, Jonne Zutt wrote: The forum and bugs site have terrible performance. (for the bugs site is not completely sf's fault I think, because I made a local copy and it performed terrible either, could be my local configuration too...yes, i know the database is quite big) Bugs is probably caused by huge database, understandable.. but forums.. I don't know, maybe it's also because of the database (even if they are separate databases ?) but not sure.. anyways, the biggest issue is the forums.. Could be Jerome is right it doesn't make much money and hence isn't very useful, but if Youness wants to try it, I like that :) (and trust you of course). Thx for trusting me :p we'll see about the money it generates.. for now, it's not important.. I don't like that part about counting commits/forum messages/whatever though. I'd prefer counting bug fixes / new features better. Might be too much work though. I'll settle with everything since it's not my goal to make any money out of this (lucky for me :P) Nah, I'm not talking about counting the commits/forum msgs.. I'm talking about ok, this person contributes a lot lately, he/she deserves a little reward, more like that... the bounties on bug fix/new features is indeed a better idea (Alvaro's idea btw), but I'd like both solutions to be applied.. but as I said before, this will really depend on how much money this will generate... KKRT POLL : *Add Google AdSense - Youness - Alvaro - JeeBee *Stay with SF and no ads - *Don't care - Jerome --- -- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVD EV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
I added a google search on the top of the side bar.. looks really nice I think if we remove the 'Advertisements' block, keep the ads in the bottom and both google search boxes in the website, it will be awesome. Not too agressive. What do you think ? if no answer by tomorrow, we'll move that to the 'real page'... By the way, I just noticed that for some reason, the rounded boxes around the side panel blocks and the news blocks are not right on IE...someone with CSS knowledge should fix that... KaKaRoTo On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 01:11:04PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: Take a look here : http://amsn.sourceforge.net/ind.php I put a lot of ads... 2 referal buttons in the Links section.. added an ad unit in the side panel under Advertisements, added a google search in the bottom (I like that, even if it doesn't bring in any money.. you just search for 'seek webcam', it finds the thread in the forums.. it's great! :)) and a wide ads at the bottom.. I think it's slightly a lot.. but it's not that bad... I'll be waiting for suggestions... btw, we have the right to : 3 ad units (like the one in the side bar) 2 google search 1 links unit I don't know how many referals allowed.. take a look here to see the different formats of ads : https://www.google.com/adsense/adformats what do you think? KaKaRoTo On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:52:50AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:47:18AM +0200, Jonne Zutt wrote: The forum and bugs site have terrible performance. (for the bugs site is not completely sf's fault I think, because I made a local copy and it performed terrible either, could be my local configuration too...yes, i know the database is quite big) Bugs is probably caused by huge database, understandable.. but forums.. I don't know, maybe it's also because of the database (even if they are separate databases ?) but not sure.. anyways, the biggest issue is the forums.. Could be Jerome is right it doesn't make much money and hence isn't very useful, but if Youness wants to try it, I like that :) (and trust you of course). Thx for trusting me :p we'll see about the money it generates.. for now, it's not important.. I don't like that part about counting commits/forum messages/whatever though. I'd prefer counting bug fixes / new features better. Might be too much work though. I'll settle with everything since it's not my goal to make any money out of this (lucky for me :P) Nah, I'm not talking about counting the commits/forum msgs.. I'm talking about ok, this person contributes a lot lately, he/she deserves a little reward, more like that... the bounties on bug fix/new features is indeed a better idea (Alvaro's idea btw), but I'd like both solutions to be applied.. but as I said before, this will really depend on how much money this will generate... KKRT POLL : *Add Google AdSense - Youness - Alvaro - JeeBee *Stay with SF and no ads - *Don't care - Jerome - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
Yep, I agree, it is not easy/impossible... Also, about those rules, I do agree about it 'in theory'.. but I feel 'in practice', it will only generate another start of lazyness if we have to add procedures before being able to do something... + someone might want to work on something out of the blue, without it being clearly defined (like Karel and this webcam canvas thing, it was written nowhere, but it was a good idea and good work...) KKRT On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 05:07:34PM +0200, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote: I suggested bounties because it's not easy (if not impossible) to decide who should be rewarded. We should make clear rules for the bounties, so you need to register before starting to work on them (one person or a tema), and once the goal is completes, he/she/they will be paid. We don't want this to become a competition, just a way of getting some money. On 10/3/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:47:18AM +0200, Jonne Zutt wrote: The forum and bugs site have terrible performance. (for the bugs site is not completely sf's fault I think, because I made a local copy and it performed terrible either, could be my local configuration too...yes, i know the database is quite big) Bugs is probably caused by huge database, understandable.. but forums.. I don't know, maybe it's also because of the database (even if they are separate databases ?) but not sure.. anyways, the biggest issue is the forums.. Could be Jerome is right it doesn't make much money and hence isn't very useful, but if Youness wants to try it, I like that :) (and trust you of course). Thx for trusting me :p we'll see about the money it generates.. for now, it's not important.. I don't like that part about counting commits/forum messages/whatever though. I'd prefer counting bug fixes / new features better. Might be too much work though. I'll settle with everything since it's not my goal to make any money out of this (lucky for me :P) Nah, I'm not talking about counting the commits/forum msgs.. I'm talking about ok, this person contributes a lot lately, he/she deserves a little reward, more like that... the bounties on bug fix/new features is indeed a better idea (Alvaro's idea btw), but I'd like both solutions to be applied.. but as I said before, this will really depend on how much money this will generate... KKRT POLL : *Add Google AdSense - Youness - Alvaro - JeeBee *Stay with SF and no ads - *Don't care - Jerome - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel -- (:===:) Alvaro J. Iradier Muro - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
I also agree on that, unless someone becomes a dictator (6) :D but yes, the purpose is to increase productivity not start flaming.. competition is good, but as long as it's in a good spirit... For now, we should decide if it's ok to do this or not.. how to share the money will come afterwards... KKRT On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:39:27PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: Hi, We must find a way to share the money, something everyone will agree upon, and something more specific than who contributes the most. Otherwise, we might end up arguing about who deserves more money, which will eventually decrease productivity. Personally, I don't care. I was about to add a don't care section when I saw the email, then I saw Jerome added it, then again... if I don't answer at all, it will count as a don't care, won't it? (In fact, I did sent the reply, but I accidentally used my gmail account and now it's deferred 451 :( ) Vivia On 10/3/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm going to reopen an old discussion we already had many times... I subscribed aMSN to the adSense program (http://google.com/adsense) This will have us add google ads inside of amsn's website, I think it's not agressive, I've seen it a lot, and I don't find it agressive like other ad banners... I hope everyone agrees with this. These ads will generate funds, and I hope we'll be able to use that to buy a domain and webspace with godaddy.com (2000GB transfer per month, 200GB space... ).. this will allow us to at least have a decent speed for the forums... Also, I'm hoping that if we can get enough money, we'll set up bounties.. which means, for each bug (or commit) a certain amount of money will be given as a 'reward'.. and I sincerely hope that this will motivate people to work a little bit more on aMSN... Finally, the only issue with this is that google doesn't work with paypal, their only way of pay is by sending checks monthly to an address with the check labeled to an individual's name. I gave mine. This, of course, brings up the question of do you trust me?.. I hope everyone trusts me to manage that money... Also, if we really get enough money, I'd like to give a small salary to everyone participating, rewards from time to time, etc.. for example, I'm managing the team (less and less), but if I spend hours on aMSN everyday talking about the issues, assigning tasks and answering emails, reviewing svn commit logs, etc... but I don't do any commit... does it mean I don't have the right to receive a small amount of money ? This applies to anyone else.. like Nowhereman, or snipe for example, they help in the forums, they work on the userwiki (not really:P WHERE ARE YOU!!! :p) but they can't commit anything... so maybe they'll also need a little encouragement.. of course, all this, is only 'if we get enough money'... if we get 7$ a month, and the hosting costs us 6.29$ then we can't expect to give much rewards... Final thing.. IF this whole subject brings ANY trouble... people start yelling, complaining, or anything, this whole thing will be shut down entirely to avoid any additional problems. We all know that with money comes problems, well, I hope we're all mature enough not to be greedy, but if we are, then everyone will loose... I'll post a poll, just to make sure everyone agrees... once the majority is giving his ok on the subject (I DO NOT WANT ANY FLAME WAR TO START), then we'll add the ads to the website... if most people don't want this to happen, then we'll drop the idea. *Add Google AdSense - Youness - Alvaro *Stay with SF and no ads Hope to hear from you! KaKaRoTo - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel -- Where is the life that we have lost in living? Where is the wisdom that we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge that we have lost in information? OEO; - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn
[Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
Hi, I'm going to reopen an old discussion we already had many times... I subscribed aMSN to the adSense program (http://google.com/adsense) This will have us add google ads inside of amsn's website, I think it's not agressive, I've seen it a lot, and I don't find it agressive like other ad banners... I hope everyone agrees with this. These ads will generate funds, and I hope we'll be able to use that to buy a domain and webspace with godaddy.com (2000GB transfer per month, 200GB space... ).. this will allow us to at least have a decent speed for the forums... Also, I'm hoping that if we can get enough money, we'll set up bounties.. which means, for each bug (or commit) a certain amount of money will be given as a 'reward'.. and I sincerely hope that this will motivate people to work a little bit more on aMSN... Finally, the only issue with this is that google doesn't work with paypal, their only way of pay is by sending checks monthly to an address with the check labeled to an individual's name. I gave mine. This, of course, brings up the question of do you trust me?.. I hope everyone trusts me to manage that money... Also, if we really get enough money, I'd like to give a small salary to everyone participating, rewards from time to time, etc.. for example, I'm managing the team (less and less), but if I spend hours on aMSN everyday talking about the issues, assigning tasks and answering emails, reviewing svn commit logs, etc... but I don't do any commit... does it mean I don't have the right to receive a small amount of money ? This applies to anyone else.. like Nowhereman, or snipe for example, they help in the forums, they work on the userwiki (not really:P WHERE ARE YOU!!! :p) but they can't commit anything... so maybe they'll also need a little encouragement.. of course, all this, is only 'if we get enough money'... if we get 7$ a month, and the hosting costs us 6.29$ then we can't expect to give much rewards... Final thing.. IF this whole subject brings ANY trouble... people start yelling, complaining, or anything, this whole thing will be shut down entirely to avoid any additional problems. We all know that with money comes problems, well, I hope we're all mature enough not to be greedy, but if we are, then everyone will loose... I'll post a poll, just to make sure everyone agrees... once the majority is giving his ok on the subject (I DO NOT WANT ANY FLAME WAR TO START), then we'll add the ads to the website... if most people don't want this to happen, then we'll drop the idea. *Add Google AdSense - Youness - Alvaro *Stay with SF and no ads Hope to hear from you! KaKaRoTo - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] an old discussion...
Forgot to say.. admins only will be able to see how much money this generates, for two reasons : 1 - It's more fair if I wasn't the only one to access that info. 2 - I don't want the financial details to be given to everyone as this does not concern them and it will only generate problems... But, on request, at the admin's discretion, that info could be shared with a non-admin in private... I'm sure I had something else to add.. but I just can't remember right now... :@ POLL : *Add Google AdSense - Youness - Alvaro *Stay with SF and no ads KKRT On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 11:44:34PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: Hi, I'm going to reopen an old discussion we already had many times... I subscribed aMSN to the adSense program (http://google.com/adsense) This will have us add google ads inside of amsn's website, I think it's not agressive, I've seen it a lot, and I don't find it agressive like other ad banners... I hope everyone agrees with this. These ads will generate funds, and I hope we'll be able to use that to buy a domain and webspace with godaddy.com (2000GB transfer per month, 200GB space... ).. this will allow us to at least have a decent speed for the forums... Also, I'm hoping that if we can get enough money, we'll set up bounties.. which means, for each bug (or commit) a certain amount of money will be given as a 'reward'.. and I sincerely hope that this will motivate people to work a little bit more on aMSN... Finally, the only issue with this is that google doesn't work with paypal, their only way of pay is by sending checks monthly to an address with the check labeled to an individual's name. I gave mine. This, of course, brings up the question of do you trust me?.. I hope everyone trusts me to manage that money... Also, if we really get enough money, I'd like to give a small salary to everyone participating, rewards from time to time, etc.. for example, I'm managing the team (less and less), but if I spend hours on aMSN everyday talking about the issues, assigning tasks and answering emails, reviewing svn commit logs, etc... but I don't do any commit... does it mean I don't have the right to receive a small amount of money ? This applies to anyone else.. like Nowhereman, or snipe for example, they help in the forums, they work on the userwiki (not really:P WHERE ARE YOU!!! :p) but they can't commit anything... so maybe they'll also need a little encouragement.. of course, all this, is only 'if we get enough money'... if we get 7$ a month, and the hosting costs us 6.29$ then we can't expect to give much rewards... Final thing.. IF this whole subject brings ANY trouble... people start yelling, complaining, or anything, this whole thing will be shut down entirely to avoid any additional problems. We all know that with money comes problems, well, I hope we're all mature enough not to be greedy, but if we are, then everyone will loose... I'll post a poll, just to make sure everyone agrees... once the majority is giving his ok on the subject (I DO NOT WANT ANY FLAME WAR TO START), then we'll add the ads to the website... if most people don't want this to happen, then we'll drop the idea. *Add Google AdSense - Youness - Alvaro *Stay with SF and no ads Hope to hear from you! KaKaRoTo - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] MSN FT Troubles
I see no reason why it wouldn't work, also, it's a direct transfer, it's not going through the SB, and finally, there is no error/warning messages in the status log, so can't do much... KKRT On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 10:07:55PM +0100, Tom Hennigan wrote: Heya, Can someone take a look at this for me? I don't know enough about how file transfers work to give a decent answer :-). http://forums.cocoaforge.com/viewtopic.php?p=74375#74375 Many thanks, - Tom - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] [PATCH] stupid fix in Makefile.in
Humm... wasn't this fixed already in a recent patch email ? thanks anyway... KKRT On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 04:27:25PM +0100, Rafael Rodríguez wrote: attached :) Index: Makefile.in === --- Makefile.in (revisi?n: 7294) +++ Makefile.in (copia de trabajo) @@ -148,7 +148,7 @@ @for p in $?; do \ cp -Rf --parents $(srcdir)/$$p $(dstdir)/$(PACKAGE); \ done - find $(dstdir)/$(PACKAGE) -name CVS -print | xargs rm -Rf + find $(dstdir)/$(PACKAGE) -name '.svn' -print | xargs rm -Rf @for p in $(FILES_TO_EXCLUDE); do \ rm -Rf $(dstdir)/$(PACKAGE)/$$p; \ done - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] [PATCH] stupid fix in Makefile.in
Ok, there were two places, the previous patch fixed only one of them, now I fixed the second CVS/.svn error and committed it. Thanks On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 03:21:00PM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: Humm... wasn't this fixed already in a recent patch email ? thanks anyway... KKRT On Sun, Sep 24, 2006 at 04:27:25PM +0100, Rafael Rodríguez wrote: attached :) Index: Makefile.in === --- Makefile.in (revisi?n: 7294) +++ Makefile.in (copia de trabajo) @@ -148,7 +148,7 @@ @for p in $?; do \ cp -Rf --parents $(srcdir)/$$p $(dstdir)/$(PACKAGE); \ done - find $(dstdir)/$(PACKAGE) -name CVS -print | xargs rm -Rf + find $(dstdir)/$(PACKAGE) -name '.svn' -print | xargs rm -Rf @for p in $(FILES_TO_EXCLUDE); do \ rm -Rf $(dstdir)/$(PACKAGE)/$$p; \ done - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Cancel button
This request should go in the forums, the ML is not the place for such requests... KKRT On Sat, Sep 23, 2006 at 11:09:25AM +0200, Lord Zak wrote: Hi all Another little : Is it possible to desactivate the cancel button in the chat window when a download started... like that, we can know which downloads are launched when we send lots of file... Thanks -- [ Lord Zak ] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] Conversation Nickname
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 04:24:47PM +0200, Lord Zak wrote: oups sorry it was moved into spam... 1 - yeah, but it's better to know if someone is using a friendly name or not.. and you guessed right, we'll probably never do it as it's a low pri thing... I think it's better to can configure it xD (the little things make the big programs... why focus on the new things even if the old things are not completely done ? [other example : the bug with the progress bar of the download window which display strange percent with big files instead of you are working on the offline messages support]) Yes, I agree, don't worry, you're right, but the problem is that we don't have enough resources, as you probably noticed, most of the devs are inactive, and to get people motivated enough for doing something, it has to be something really interesting.. and lately, it seems even the interesting stuff is not motivating enough for the devels... that's the problem. I wouldn't mind adding it to the TODO, but I know it will never be done. 2 - simply set a custom color for the user (properties window of the user) Here i'm speaking about the color of the nickname and not about the text sent... Thanks and sorry to always asking the perfection... yes, I'm also talking about the color of the nickname, not the text sent..the 'custom color' for a user makes the user's nickname appear in that color in the contact list and in the chat windows. Try it! (I never tried it on users with friendly names, so maybe there's a bug there.. don't know :S test it and tel me) KKRT 2006/9/14, Lord Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: just a little up through you offlines messages... 2006/9/7, Lord Zak [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi ! I juste would like to suggest something : when you define a _conversation_ nickname it appears in bold italic in the chatwindow ; it's not the same style as the classic nickname ; is it possible to put the same style of nicknames ? (simply bold for example) I'm sure you'll never have the time, but this is a little suggest : can we put a different color for the nicknames in the chat window to distinct them as Gaim ? Thanks. -- [ Lord Zak ] -- [ Lord Zak ] -- [ Lord Zak ] - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Amsn-devel mailing list Amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel
Re: [Amsn-devel] cvs_date svn_date
Yes, there are hooks, but I extensively read the SVN documentation, the hooks
receive a transaction ID, and a transaction is some sort of
object containing all the modified data.. once a transaction is created, it
should NOT modify a file (or for that matter, it is also
discouraged to modify the svn:eol-style and svn:mime-type properties because
they affect the file's content), because the hook are
executed on the server and the commiting user has no way to get notified of the
change (svn will think he has the latst version because of
the internal state locally and the next commit will make svn think that eh
modified the file, not an 'out-of-date' issue).
I proposed an alternate solution, where we could have a pre-commit script (not
pre-commit, another hook, can't remember its name, but
anyways one that get executed before the pre-commit) that would check the
content of svn_date and if it doesn't contain the next revision
number, then cancel the commit and show 'put this content in this file : 7XXX'
and it would not allow you to commit unless the file
contains the revision number + 1. Noone ever answered my email IIRC...
KKRT
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:04:22PM +0100, Rafael Rodríguez wrote:
IIRC Subversion allows to change the hooks that are executed after every
commit. Couldn't a hook be added in order to increment a svn_date file after
each commit?
R
On 9/20/06, Álvaro J. Iradier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So those should be removed or changed, as cvs_date is not updated
anymore (in fact, it shouldn't exist in amsn distribution, I guess
that's why there's a file exists).
On 9/20/06, Vivia Nikolaidou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] amsn]$ grep cvs_date *
amsn.spec:- added a release number taken form cvs_date
bugs.tcl: if {[file exists cvs_date]==1} {
bugs.tcl: set fd [open cvs_date]
Makefile:RELEASEVERSION := `cat cvs_date|head -c8`
Makefile.in:RELEASEVERSION := `cat cvs_date|head -c8`
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006, Álvaro J. Iradier wrote:
I think so. Please grep cvs_date * to check it's not used anywhere.
Maybe you can use svn info to get the latest revision?
Greets.
On 9/20/06, Rafael Rodríguez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, then you agree that cvs_date can be removed? :=)
El Miércoles, 20 de Septiembre de 2006 08:13, Álvaro J. Iradier
escribió:
cvs_date is not used anymore. We removed it because there were so
many
commits just for this. We were thinking about an alternative way
(like
updating some file inside the repository on every commit), but
couldn't find any.
Greets.
On 9/19/06, Rafael Rodríguez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi,
while trying to fix the files inside debian/ directory, I found
that
cvs_date is very old (i guess unused as well) and also there is
no
svn_date.
Can the latter one be generated somehow and the first one
deleted from
the repository?
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