Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Thanks. It's because the world is transforming so fast most old people are not able to adjust, and most posters here are just that; old. Even the idea that Maitreya is in the world makes the Buddhist's go bananas since they believe He will not incarnate in another 330.000 years from now. It's all over; this clinging to stale, outdated, old ideas. As expected really since their minds are no longer exposed to infinity. The future is bright, and that is our delight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Geiger counters measure but the crudest harmful radiation. When our communication with the Space Brothers goes to the next step it will be seen that their greatest contribution to this planet was that they saved our lives by neutralized extremely dangerous radiation. A work that has been, and continues to be, in co-operation with the Hierarchy of Masters of which Maitreya is the most advanced and Guru Dev, Mary and Jesus from Nasareth prominent members. Nabby, I don't know why people harangue on you for your beliefs. I love them. They are fascinating and they are incredible and I mean this in the most positive of ways. Keep on being who you are and following your North Star, wherever it may take you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
There is simply no belief more old and outdated than the idea Nabby is
expressing here -- that the only thing that can save either him or the planet
is some magical, Woo Woo savior.
That's just having a Daddy Complex.
Nabby still has one, and can't comprehend those of us who don't.
He's German. If he'd been born a little earlier, he would have relied on Hitler
to be the savior he believes he needs to save him. If Maharishi had stayed
alive longer, Nabby would've considered him his savior. Since both of those
guys are dead, Nabby is stuck fantasizing about a savior made up by Benny
Creme.
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Thanks. It's because the world is transforming so fast most old people are
not able to adjust, and most posters here are just that; old. Even the idea
that Maitreya is in the world makes the Buddhist's go bananas since they
believe He will not incarnate in another 330.000 years from now. It's all over;
this clinging to stale, outdated, old ideas. As expected really since their
minds are no longer exposed to infinity.
The future is bright, and that is our delight.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Geiger counters measure but the crudest harmful radiation. When our
communication with the Space Brothers goes to the next step it will be seen
that their greatest contribution to this planet was that they saved our lives
by neutralized extremely dangerous radiation. A work that has been, and
continues to be, in co-operation with the Hierarchy of Masters of which
Maitreya is the most advanced and Guru Dev, Mary and Jesus from Nasareth
prominent members.
Nabby, I don't know why people harangue on you for your beliefs. I love them.
They are fascinating and they are incredible and I mean this in the most
positive of ways. Keep on being who you are and following your North Star,
wherever it may take you.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks. It's because the world is transforming so fast most old people are not able to adjust, and most posters here are just that; old. Even the idea that Maitreya is in the world makes the Buddhist's go bananas since they believe He will not incarnate in another 330.000 years from now. It's all over; this clinging to stale, outdated, old ideas. As expected really since their minds are no longer exposed to infinity. The future is bright, and that is our delight. I just hope you aren't too disappointed when the new and fresh ideas turn into old and stale ones by virtue of the fact they never happened. But I suppose they'll be replaced in turn by some other newer and fresher ones, that's gotta be a law of nature. Since we cannot change reality, let us change the eyes that see reality ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Geiger counters measure but the crudest harmful radiation. When our communication with the Space Brothers goes to the next step it will be seen that their greatest contribution to this planet was that they saved our lives by neutralized extremely dangerous radiation. A work that has been, and continues to be, in co-operation with the Hierarchy of Masters of which Maitreya is the most advanced and Guru Dev, Mary and Jesus from Nasareth prominent members. Nabby, I don't know why people harangue on you for your beliefs. I love them. They are fascinating and they are incredible and I mean this in the most positive of ways. Keep on being who you are and following your North Star, wherever it may take you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
And as a result is banned by the very organization he thinks is doing fabulous
work in the world. I am still betting he keeps a well worn copy of Mein Kampf
right next to his equally well worn Marshy's Gita.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
There is simply no belief more old and outdated than the idea Nabby is
expressing here -- that the only thing that can save either him or the planet
is some magical, Woo Woo savior.
That's just having a Daddy Complex.
Nabby still has one, and can't comprehend those of us who don't.
He's German. If he'd been born a little earlier, he would have relied on Hitler
to be the savior he believes he needs to save him. If Maharishi had stayed
alive longer, Nabby would've considered him his savior. Since both of those
guys are dead, Nabby is stuck fantasizing about a savior made up by Benny
Creme.
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Thanks. It's because the world is transforming so fast most old people are
not able to adjust, and most posters here are just that; old. Even the idea
that Maitreya is in the world makes the Buddhist's go bananas since they
believe He will not incarnate in another 330.000 years from now. It's all over;
this clinging to stale, outdated, old ideas. As expected really since their
minds are no longer exposed to infinity.
The future is bright, and that is our delight.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Geiger counters measure but the crudest harmful radiation. When our
communication with the Space Brothers goes to the next step it will be seen
that their greatest contribution to this planet was that they saved our lives
by neutralized extremely dangerous radiation. A work that has been, and
continues to be, in co-operation with the Hierarchy of Masters of which
Maitreya is the most advanced and Guru Dev, Mary and Jesus from Nasareth
prominent members.
Nabby, I don't know why people harangue on you for your beliefs. I love them.
They are fascinating and they are incredible and I mean this in the most
positive of ways. Keep on being who you are and following your North Star,
wherever it may take you.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Thanks. It's because the world is transforming so fast most old people are not able to adjust, and most posters here are just that; old. Even the idea that Maitreya is in the world makes the Buddhist's go bananas since they believe He will not incarnate in another 330.000 years from now. It's all over; this clinging to stale, outdated, old ideas. As expected really since their minds are no longer exposed to infinity. The future is bright, and that is our delight. There is nothing wrong with optimism and desire for a happier future where human beings can realize how special their lives could be and what lies at the basis of all that surrounds us. I'd far rather listen to an optimist and one who holds so many possibilities in their hearts than those who dismiss all that appears unprovable or is beyond their personal experience as idiotic and laughable. Most of us only have a tiny realization of the possibilities in this Universe.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And as a result is banned by the very organization he thinks is doing fabulous work in the world. I am still betting he keeps a well worn copy of Mein Kampf right next to his equally well worn Marshy's Gita. Really MJ, you're better than that. It's like someone saying you have your KKK outfit hung up in the closet fresh from the closet after your last nigger lynching. Patently absurd, I hope.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
salyavin, what about that other law of nature: nothing new under the sun. (-:
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Thanks. It's because the world is transforming so fast most old people are not
able to adjust, and most posters here are just that; old. Even the idea that
Maitreya is in the world makes the Buddhist's go bananas since they believe He
will not incarnate in another 330.000 years from now.It's all over; this
clinging to stale, outdated, old ideas.As expected really since their minds are
no longer exposed to infinity.
The future is bright, and that is our delight.
I just hope you aren't too disappointed when the new and fresh ideas turn into
old and stale ones by virtue of the fact they never happened. But I suppose
they'll be replaced in turn by some other newer and fresher ones, that's gotta
be a law of nature.
Since we cannot change reality, let us change the eyes that see reality
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
Geiger counters measure but the crudest harmful radiation. When our
communication with the Space Brothers goes to the next step it will be seen
that their greatest contribution to this planet was that they saved our lives
by neutralized extremely dangerous radiation. A work that has been, and
continues to be, in co-operation with the Hierarchy of Masters of which
Maitreya is the most advanced and Guru Dev, Mary and Jesus from Nasareth
prominent members.
Nabby, I don't know why people harangue on you for your beliefs. I love them.
They are fascinating and they are incredible and I mean this in the most
positive of ways. Keep on being who you are and following your North Star,
wherever it may take you.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And as a result is banned by the very organization he thinks is doing fabulous work in the world. I am still betting he keeps a well worn copy of Mein Kampf right next to his equally well worn Marshy's Gita. Really MJ, you're better than that. It's like someone saying you have your KKK outfit hung up in the closet fresh from the closet after your last nigger lynching. Patently absurd, I hope. Correction: fresh from the dry cleaners.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : And as a result is banned by the very organization he thinks is doing fabulous work in the world. I am still betting he keeps a well worn copy of Mein Kampf right next to his equally well worn Marshy's Gita. On 11/19/2014 10:11 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Really MJ, you're better than that. It's like someone saying you have your KKK outfit hung up in the closet fresh from the closet after your last nigger lynching. Patently absurd, I hope. Correction: fresh from the dry cleaners. /It's almost like we are in the dark ages of FFL now, when anyone can smear anybody they want to, with no objections from any of the moderators. Things weren't like this when Judy was around. You'd think that adult respondents could police themselves. Go figure./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
s3raph, 10,000 messages from the Funny Farm Lounge?! Now that definitely is a thought stopper! But still made me chuckle at the second reading. From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 4:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Re Did you know we received a message from the stars in 1977? : In the Wiki link about the possibly alien signal it says:In 2012, on the 35th anniversary of the Wow! signal, Arecibo Observatory beamed a response from humanity, containing 10,000 Twitter messages, in the direction from which the signal originated: Ye gods! After intelligent aliens wade their way through the messages from 10,000 twits they will definitely conclude that Earth is inhabited by small-minded, grudge-bearing oiks with the attention span of a gnat, and that our planet isn't worth visiting. Instead they should have sent 10,000 FairfieldLife messages to show them how enlightened we are ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : 5. Crazy shit. There would be no end to the crazy shit. You're right. I'd bet there would be an increase in mental illness if we did contact aliens. As any advanced civilization capable of monitoring us would be aware of our fragile psyches I think it is likely that that is why they haven't introduced themselves. They're waiting for us to fully mature. I suppose it's not completely beyond the bounds of the possible that UFO sightings and crop circles could be their way of gently getting us used to the idea that we're not alone. That idea gets seriously proposed a lot. I always think it's a bit of a hopeful way of keeping up interest in what has turned out to be a bad explanation for crop stomping and spy planes. But we can live in hope... Did you know we received a message from the stars in 1977? On the day Elvis died (no connection I should think) a signal was picked up that exactly matched what we expected an alien civilisation would send, right frequency and modulated. But it was never repeated and so can't be claimed as scientific evidence of anything. It remains an enigma and always will, unless we hear it again... Wow! signal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | | | | | | Wow! signal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Wow! signal was a strong narrowband radio signal detected by Jerry R. Ehman on August 15, 1977, while he was working on a SETI project at the Big Ear radio t... | | | View on en.wikipedia.org| Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. You've merely tried to smack me around, as usual, with axiomless assertions. Do you ever play fair in a conversation? I'll leave it, as usual, for the rest of the crew here to decide if you're just being a prick or have any traction at all in the what would happen speculations. I get into it here with various parties, but almost always, I find a foul dis-ingenuity afoot..making closure or conclusion impossible. Smarm and snark are embraced while honesty is considered naive. I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. And if aliens land and you say even a single word about them, I'll make it my mission in life to find you and smack a pie on that silly ass smirk into which your face is frozen. Still reading? Can't get enough abuse? Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness? Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Barrowd, Please re-read and note that I used the word if. Having done so, I did not need to shore up any cred for Gordon --- saved by the if, ya see? Meanwhile, your claim would not change my life in any way seems to be so obviously in-human that I would ask you to reconsider the statement. Not gonna happen. I stand on what I
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salyavin, I admit that when I imagine more developed beings, I automatically assume that would include being ultra compassionate. I guess the tricky part is, how would ultra compassion be expressed? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Did you know we received a message from the stars in 1977? : In the Wiki link about the possibly alien signal it says:In 2012, on the 35th anniversary of the Wow! signal, Arecibo Observatory beamed a response from humanity, containing 10,000 Twitter messages, in the direction from which the signal originated: Ye gods! After intelligent aliens wade their way through the messages from 10,000 twits they will definitely conclude that Earth is inhabited by small-minded, grudge-bearing oiks with the attention span of a gnat, and that our planet isn't worth visiting. Instead they should have sent 10,000 FairfieldLife messages to show them how enlightened we are ;-) Hmm, yes. First one to troll our new alien overlords does a double shift in the dilithium crystal mines. I always wondered if we should be a bit more careful with what we broadcast into space. Look at the average days TV, that's a bubble of drivel spreading away from us at the speed of light. What's an intelligent being going to make of it all? If they're a really Spock-like race they might take it all seriously, maybe that's they leave us alone... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : 5. Crazy shit. There would be no end to the crazy shit. You're right. I'd bet there would be an increase in mental illness if we did contact aliens. As any advanced civilization capable of monitoring us would be aware of our fragile psyches I think it is likely that that is why they haven't introduced themselves. They're waiting for us to fully mature. I suppose it's not completely beyond the bounds of the possible that UFO sightings and crop circles could be their way of gently getting us used to the idea that we're not alone. That idea gets seriously proposed a lot. I always think it's a bit of a hopeful way of keeping up interest in what has turned out to be a bad explanation for crop stomping and spy planes. But we can live in hope... Did you know we received a message from the stars in 1977? On the day Elvis died (no connection I should think) a signal was picked up that exactly matched what we expected an alien civilisation would send, right frequency and modulated. But it was never repeated and so can't be claimed as scientific evidence of anything. It remains an enigma and always will, unless we hear it again... Wow! signal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | | | | | | Wow! signal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The Wow! signal was a strong narrowband radio signal detected by Jerry R. Ehman on August 15, 1977, while he was working on a SETI project at the Big Ear radio t... | | | View on en.wikipedia.org| Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. You've merely tried to smack me around, as usual, with axiomless assertions. Do you ever play fair in a conversation? I'll leave it, as usual, for the rest of the crew here to decide if you're just being a prick or have any traction at all in the what would happen speculations. I get into it here with various parties, but almost always, I find a foul dis-ingenuity afoot..making closure or conclusion impossible. Smarm and snark are embraced while honesty is considered naive. I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. And if aliens land and you say even a single word about them, I'll make it my mission in life to find you and smack a pie on that silly ass smirk into which your face is frozen. Still reading? Can't get enough abuse? Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness? Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I admit that when I imagine more developed beings, I automatically assume that would include being ultra compassionate. I guess the tricky part is, how would ultra compassion be expressed? Opinions vary about what an ultra-technological society would be like. Some think that they would be extremely friendly because crossing interstellar space is such a big undertaking that, surely, any species would have to have conquered any bad attitudes amongst themselves long ago and pulled together. Another way of looking at it is that intelligence implies belligerence. Maybe it's only possible to evolve to this space-faring level if you've had the environmental and social hardships to drive you towards mastering the environment and defeating any enemies. Bad attitude built in. Both are projections from our state of being of course, but I tend towards the friendly interpretation. Particularly concerning our Wow! signal. Assuming that it was an alien broadcast, they must be curious to be sending messages and curiosity would mean they are philosophical. And friendly too because if you want to steal a planet's resources or suck the occupants brains out you wouldn't call them up and say Hi! Unless the message reads Start running - you've got 30 years before we get there. Maybe we'd better work on decoding it before it's too late From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : Re Did you know we received a message from the stars in 1977? : In the Wiki link about the possibly alien signal it says: In 2012, on the 35th anniversary of the Wow! signal, Arecibo Observatory beamed a response from humanity, containing 10,000 Twitter messages, in the direction from which the signal originated: Ye gods! After intelligent aliens wade their way through the messages from 10,000 twits they will definitely conclude that Earth is inhabited by small-minded, grudge-bearing oiks with the attention span of a gnat, and that our planet isn't worth visiting. Instead they should have sent 10,000 FairfieldLife messages to show them how enlightened we are ;-) Hmm, yes. First one to troll our new alien overlords does a double shift in the dilithium crystal mines. I always wondered if we should be a bit more careful with what we broadcast into space. Look at the average days TV, that's a bubble of drivel spreading away from us at the speed of light. What's an intelligent being going to make of it all? If they're a really Spock-like race they might take it all seriously, maybe that's they leave us alone...
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I admit that when I imagine more developed beings, I automatically assume that would include being ultra compassionate. I guess the tricky part is, how would ultra compassion be expressed? Opinions vary about what an ultra-technological society would be like. Some think that they would be extremely friendly because crossing interstellar space is such a big undertaking that, surely, any species would have to have conquered any bad attitudes amongst themselves long ago and pulled together. It sounds to me as if Share is suffering under Yet Another Unfounded Assumption. By most standards, homo sapiens could be considered the most developed species on planet Earth, but they've been the cause of the extinction of (by some estimates) 99% of the other species that ever developed here. One could hardly call that an indication of compassion. It also appears likely that humans will eradicate the remaining 1% in the next 20-50 years, also hardly an indicator of compassion. Finally, since Share seems to equate Maharishi and his teachings with being more developed, I challenge her to find even one instance of the *word* compassion in either The Science of Being or Maharishi's commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita. Hint: According to Amazon's Look Inside This Book search feature, she can't do it. Maharishi spent over 50 years without ever *using* the word compassion, much less teaching it. And I think anyone who spent any time with him knows how little compassion he actually demonstrated in his life. Another way of looking at it is that intelligence implies belligerence. Maybe it's only possible to evolve to this space-faring level if you've had the environmental and social hardships to drive you towards mastering the environment and defeating any enemies. Bad attitude built in. It is certainly likely, given what we've seen in the species that have appeared on Earth, that any species arising elsewhere and being able to come here would be pretty much the very definition of belligerent. You don't get to be the ruling species on your home planet without defeating most of the other species. Take that 'tude into space, and they'd just be lookin' for the next species to annihilate, not lookin' for friends. Both are projections from our state of being of course, but I tend towards the friendly interpretation. Particularly concerning our Wow! signal. Assuming that it was an alien broadcast, they must be curious to be sending messages and curiosity would mean they are philosophical. And friendly too because if you want to steal a planet's resources or suck the occupants brains out you wouldn't call them up and say Hi! Unless the message reads Start running - you've got 30 years before we get there. Maybe we'd better work on decoding it before it's too late I think they finally deciphered the title of the Wow! signal and found that it is To Serve Man. :-) It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! | | | | | | | | | | | It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
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The 20 year internet obsession continues. Now, admit, this does has a nice ring to it, Barry the Stalker Coming soon on a pirated video! (thinking to myself, here) so, M doesn't use a certain word in some of the books he's written, and that proves what, again? oh, well. time to go to work. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I admit that when I imagine more developed beings, I automatically assume that would include being ultra compassionate. I guess the tricky part is, how would ultra compassion be expressed? Opinions vary about what an ultra-technological society would be like. Some think that they would be extremely friendly because crossing interstellar space is such a big undertaking that, surely, any species would have to have conquered any bad attitudes amongst themselves long ago and pulled together. It sounds to me as if Share is suffering under Yet Another Unfounded Assumption. By most standards, homo sapiens could be considered the most developed species on planet Earth, but they've been the cause of the extinction of (by some estimates) 99% of the other species that ever developed here. One could hardly call that an indication of compassion. It also appears likely that humans will eradicate the remaining 1% in the next 20-50 years, also hardly an indicator of compassion. Finally, since Share seems to equate Maharishi and his teachings with being more developed, I challenge her to find even one instance of the *word* compassion in either The Science of Being or Maharishi's commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita. Hint: According to Amazon's Look Inside This Book search feature, she can't do it. Maharishi spent over 50 years without ever *using* the word compassion, much less teaching it. And I think anyone who spent any time with him knows how little compassion he actually demonstrated in his life. Another way of looking at it is that intelligence implies belligerence. Maybe it's only possible to evolve to this space-faring level if you've had the environmental and social hardships to drive you towards mastering the environment and defeating any enemies. Bad attitude built in. It is certainly likely, given what we've seen in the species that have appeared on Earth, that any species arising elsewhere and being able to come here would be pretty much the very definition of belligerent. You don't get to be the ruling species on your home planet without defeating most of the other species. Take that 'tude into space, and they'd just be lookin' for the next species to annihilate, not lookin' for friends. Both are projections from our state of being of course, but I tend towards the friendly interpretation. Particularly concerning our Wow! signal. Assuming that it was an alien broadcast, they must be curious to be sending messages and curiosity would mean they are philosophical. And friendly too because if you want to steal a planet's resources or suck the occupants brains out you wouldn't call them up and say Hi! Unless the message reads Start running - you've got 30 years before we get there. Maybe we'd better work on decoding it before it's too late I think they finally deciphered the title of the Wow! signal and found that it is To Serve Man. :-) It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI Preview by Yahoo
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Must agree With the Turq here, compassion is much overrated. The Buddhist's talk of compassion simply because they don't have much else to talk about. But our Space Brothers shows compassion by their actions to help and try prevent this planet from self-destruction. Amongst other things there is strong suggestions that they neutralize much of the nuclear radiaton produced by nuclear plants not measurable by our crude instruments. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I admit that when I imagine more developed beings, I automatically assume that would include being ultra compassionate. I guess the tricky part is, how would ultra compassion be expressed? Opinions vary about what an ultra-technological society would be like. Some think that they would be extremely friendly because crossing interstellar space is such a big undertaking that, surely, any species would have to have conquered any bad attitudes amongst themselves long ago and pulled together. It sounds to me as if Share is suffering under Yet Another Unfounded Assumption. By most standards, homo sapiens could be considered the most developed species on planet Earth, but they've been the cause of the extinction of (by some estimates) 99% of the other species that ever developed here. One could hardly call that an indication of compassion. It also appears likely that humans will eradicate the remaining 1% in the next 20-50 years, also hardly an indicator of compassion. Finally, since Share seems to equate Maharishi and his teachings with being more developed, I challenge her to find even one instance of the *word* compassion in either The Science of Being or Maharishi's commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita. Hint: According to Amazon's Look Inside This Book search feature, she can't do it. Maharishi spent over 50 years without ever *using* the word compassion, much less teaching it. And I think anyone who spent any time with him knows how little compassion he actually demonstrated in his life. Another way of looking at it is that intelligence implies belligerence. Maybe it's only possible to evolve to this space-faring level if you've had the environmental and social hardships to drive you towards mastering the environment and defeating any enemies. Bad attitude built in. It is certainly likely, given what we've seen in the species that have appeared on Earth, that any species arising elsewhere and being able to come here would be pretty much the very definition of belligerent. You don't get to be the ruling species on your home planet without defeating most of the other species. Take that 'tude into space, and they'd just be lookin' for the next species to annihilate, not lookin' for friends. Both are projections from our state of being of course, but I tend towards the friendly interpretation. Particularly concerning our Wow! signal. Assuming that it was an alien broadcast, they must be curious to be sending messages and curiosity would mean they are philosophical. And friendly too because if you want to steal a planet's resources or suck the occupants brains out you wouldn't call them up and say Hi! Unless the message reads Start running - you've got 30 years before we get there. Maybe we'd better work on decoding it before it's too late I think they finally deciphered the title of the Wow! signal and found that it is To Serve Man. :-) It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI Preview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I admit that when I imagine more developed beings, I automatically assume that would include being ultra compassionate. I guess the tricky part is, how would ultra compassion be expressed? Opinions vary about what an ultra-technological society would be like. Some think that they would be extremely friendly because crossing interstellar space is such a big undertaking that, surely, any species would have to have conquered any bad attitudes amongst themselves long ago and pulled together. It sounds to me as if Share is suffering under Yet Another Unfounded Assumption. By most standards, homo sapiens could be considered the most developed species on planet Earth, but they've been the cause of the extinction of (by some estimates) 99% of the other species that ever developed here. One could hardly call that an indication of compassion. It also appears likely that humans will eradicate the remaining 1% in the next 20-50 years, also hardly an indicator of compassion. We do have things to work on for sure. I'm sure if you asked most people about what it meant to be human they'd give us a glowing account despite the fact we've exterminated most large life forms and set the planet on course for an environmental disaster. We just don't like to think about the bad bits. I think we are OK individually but en masse we can screw up seriously. What funny critters we are! Finally, since Share seems to equate Maharishi and his teachings with being more developed, I challenge her to find even one instance of the *word* compassion in either The Science of Being or Maharishi's commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita. Hint: According to Amazon's Look Inside This Book search feature, she can't do it. Maharishi spent over 50 years without ever *using* the word compassion, much less teaching it. And I think anyone who spent any time with him knows how little compassion he actually demonstrated in his life. Hmmm, it is an interestingly absent part of the TM spiritual movement. a friend of mine said the same thing when I was telling him about the behaviour of our local TM teachers Sure sounds like they've developed a lot of compassion from all those decades meditating [eye roll] It's the sort of behaviour I just expect so I don't notice anything different, it stands out as a motiff though... I blame the teaching for telling people that meditating makes your thoughts more likely to be in tune with nature. A recipe for arrogance. Not that I think Share is arrogant, just a lot of the TM teachers I've met. Elitism, not pretty. I'm sure our new alien overlords will put a stop to it. Another way of looking at it is that intelligence implies belligerence. Maybe it's only possible to evolve to this space-faring level if you've had the environmental and social hardships to drive you towards mastering the environment and defeating any enemies. Bad attitude built in. It is certainly likely, given what we've seen in the species that have appeared on Earth, that any species arising elsewhere and being able to come here would be pretty much the very definition of belligerent. You don't get to be the ruling species on your home planet without defeating most of the other species. Take that 'tude into space, and they'd just be lookin' for the next species to annihilate, not lookin' for friends. Or maybe it's that belligerence in us that will ultimately prevent us getting it together to leave Earth. Maybe it's only the ones that achieve proper spirituality that get to colonise the universe? Which would work as a kind of universal extinction failsafe. Handy! Both are projections from our state of being of course, but I tend towards the friendly interpretation. Particularly concerning our Wow! signal. Assuming that it was an alien broadcast, they must be curious to be sending messages and curiosity would mean they are philosophical. And friendly too because if you want to steal a planet's resources or suck the occupants brains out you wouldn't call them up and say Hi! Unless the message reads Start running - you've got 30 years before we get there. Maybe we'd better work on decoding it before it's too late I think they finally deciphered the title of the Wow! signal and found that it is To Serve Man. :-) Priceless, I'd love to see the rest of that. It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI Preview by Yahoo
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Must agree With the Turq here, compassion is much overrated. The Buddhist's talk of compassion simply because they don't have much else to talk about. LOL, there's another way of looking at it! But our Space Brothers shows compassion by their actions to help and try prevent this planet from self-destruction. Amongst other things there is strong suggestions that they neutralize much of the nuclear radiaton produced by nuclear plants not measurable by our crude instruments. Can they do something about global warming then? I don't want to sound alarmist but that's the biggest threat we have, much worse than nuclear power. It isn't going to go away, without magic we have only one solution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I admit that when I imagine more developed beings, I automatically assume that would include being ultra compassionate. I guess the tricky part is, how would ultra compassion be expressed? Opinions vary about what an ultra-technological society would be like. Some think that they would be extremely friendly because crossing interstellar space is such a big undertaking that, surely, any species would have to have conquered any bad attitudes amongst themselves long ago and pulled together. It sounds to me as if Share is suffering under Yet Another Unfounded Assumption. By most standards, homo sapiens could be considered the most developed species on planet Earth, but they've been the cause of the extinction of (by some estimates) 99% of the other species that ever developed here. One could hardly call that an indication of compassion. It also appears likely that humans will eradicate the remaining 1% in the next 20-50 years, also hardly an indicator of compassion. Finally, since Share seems to equate Maharishi and his teachings with being more developed, I challenge her to find even one instance of the *word* compassion in either The Science of Being or Maharishi's commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita. Hint: According to Amazon's Look Inside This Book search feature, she can't do it. Maharishi spent over 50 years without ever *using* the word compassion, much less teaching it. And I think anyone who spent any time with him knows how little compassion he actually demonstrated in his life. Another way of looking at it is that intelligence implies belligerence. Maybe it's only possible to evolve to this space-faring level if you've had the environmental and social hardships to drive you towards mastering the environment and defeating any enemies. Bad attitude built in. It is certainly likely, given what we've seen in the species that have appeared on Earth, that any species arising elsewhere and being able to come here would be pretty much the very definition of belligerent. You don't get to be the ruling species on your home planet without defeating most of the other species. Take that 'tude into space, and they'd just be lookin' for the next species to annihilate, not lookin' for friends. Both are projections from our state of being of course, but I tend towards the friendly interpretation. Particularly concerning our Wow! signal. Assuming that it was an alien broadcast, they must be curious to be sending messages and curiosity would mean they are philosophical. And friendly too because if you want to steal a planet's resources or suck the occupants brains out you wouldn't call them up and say Hi! Unless the message reads Start running - you've got 30 years before we get there. Maybe we'd better work on decoding it before it's too late I think they finally deciphered the title of the Wow! signal and found that it is To Serve Man. :-) It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI Preview by Yahoo
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I think this is the whole episode:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
How do you know that global warming is the biggest threat ? According to some methaphysists we would all be dead long ago if our Space Brothers didn't initiate their programmes to neutralize nuclear radiation here right after WWII. Radiation our instruments are far to crude to register. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Must agree With the Turq here, compassion is much overrated. The Buddhist's talk of compassion simply because they don't have much else to talk about. LOL, there's another way of looking at it! But our Space Brothers shows compassion by their actions to help and try prevent this planet from self-destruction. Amongst other things there is strong suggestions that they neutralize much of the nuclear radiaton produced by nuclear plants not measurable by our crude instruments. Can they do something about global warming then? I don't want to sound alarmist but that's the biggest threat we have, much worse than nuclear power. It isn't going to go away, without magic we have only one solution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I admit that when I imagine more developed beings, I automatically assume that would include being ultra compassionate. I guess the tricky part is, how would ultra compassion be expressed? Opinions vary about what an ultra-technological society would be like. Some think that they would be extremely friendly because crossing interstellar space is such a big undertaking that, surely, any species would have to have conquered any bad attitudes amongst themselves long ago and pulled together. It sounds to me as if Share is suffering under Yet Another Unfounded Assumption. By most standards, homo sapiens could be considered the most developed species on planet Earth, but they've been the cause of the extinction of (by some estimates) 99% of the other species that ever developed here. One could hardly call that an indication of compassion. It also appears likely that humans will eradicate the remaining 1% in the next 20-50 years, also hardly an indicator of compassion. Finally, since Share seems to equate Maharishi and his teachings with being more developed, I challenge her to find even one instance of the *word* compassion in either The Science of Being or Maharishi's commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita. Hint: According to Amazon's Look Inside This Book search feature, she can't do it. Maharishi spent over 50 years without ever *using* the word compassion, much less teaching it. And I think anyone who spent any time with him knows how little compassion he actually demonstrated in his life. Another way of looking at it is that intelligence implies belligerence. Maybe it's only possible to evolve to this space-faring level if you've had the environmental and social hardships to drive you towards mastering the environment and defeating any enemies. Bad attitude built in. It is certainly likely, given what we've seen in the species that have appeared on Earth, that any species arising elsewhere and being able to come here would be pretty much the very definition of belligerent. You don't get to be the ruling species on your home planet without defeating most of the other species. Take that 'tude into space, and they'd just be lookin' for the next species to annihilate, not lookin' for friends. Both are projections from our state of being of course, but I tend towards the friendly interpretation. Particularly concerning our Wow! signal. Assuming that it was an alien broadcast, they must be curious to be sending messages and curiosity would mean they are philosophical. And friendly too because if you want to steal a planet's resources or suck the occupants brains out you wouldn't call them up and say Hi! Unless the message reads Start running - you've got 30 years before we get there. Maybe we'd better work on decoding it before it's too late I think they finally deciphered the title of the Wow! signal and found that it is To Serve Man. :-) It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : How do you know that global warming is the biggest threat ? According to some methaphysists we would all be dead long ago if our Space Brothers didn't initiate their programmes to neutralize nuclear radiation here right after WWII. Radiation our instruments are far to crude to register. Leaving aside the preposterous idea that aliens can neutralise radiation, I'm sure we have created enough to make life extremely unpleasant if it ever got released. There's the thing, we buried it, it's still around. Silly us. There are millions of tons of nuclear waste we will have to watch for hundreds of thousands of years unless we start using it as fuel for the next generation of reactors. Which we are pretty much going to have to do because global warming continues to get worse, 2 degrees this century will make life very hard for our grandchildren. Any more after that and life gets very hard for everything, until you reach 6 degrees of warming, then the world belongs to underground mushrooms and not much else. Bit silly really, but there's no votes in shrinking the economy so maybe you could say that capitalism is our greatest threat. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Must agree With the Turq here, compassion is much overrated. The Buddhist's talk of compassion simply because they don't have much else to talk about. LOL, there's another way of looking at it! But our Space Brothers shows compassion by their actions to help and try prevent this planet from self-destruction. Amongst other things there is strong suggestions that they neutralize much of the nuclear radiaton produced by nuclear plants not measurable by our crude instruments. Can they do something about global warming then? I don't want to sound alarmist but that's the biggest threat we have, much worse than nuclear power. It isn't going to go away, without magic we have only one solution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I admit that when I imagine more developed beings, I automatically assume that would include being ultra compassionate. I guess the tricky part is, how would ultra compassion be expressed? Opinions vary about what an ultra-technological society would be like. Some think that they would be extremely friendly because crossing interstellar space is such a big undertaking that, surely, any species would have to have conquered any bad attitudes amongst themselves long ago and pulled together. It sounds to me as if Share is suffering under Yet Another Unfounded Assumption. By most standards, homo sapiens could be considered the most developed species on planet Earth, but they've been the cause of the extinction of (by some estimates) 99% of the other species that ever developed here. One could hardly call that an indication of compassion. It also appears likely that humans will eradicate the remaining 1% in the next 20-50 years, also hardly an indicator of compassion. Finally, since Share seems to equate Maharishi and his teachings with being more developed, I challenge her to find even one instance of the *word* compassion in either The Science of Being or Maharishi's commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita. Hint: According to Amazon's Look Inside This Book search feature, she can't do it. Maharishi spent over 50 years without ever *using* the word compassion, much less teaching it. And I think anyone who spent any time with him knows how little compassion he actually demonstrated in his life. Another way of looking at it is that intelligence implies belligerence. Maybe it's only possible to evolve to this space-faring level if you've had the environmental and social hardships to drive you towards mastering the environment and defeating any enemies. Bad attitude built in. It is certainly likely, given what we've seen in the species that have appeared on Earth, that any species arising elsewhere and being able to come here would be pretty much the very definition of belligerent. You don't get to be the ruling species on your home planet without defeating most of the other species. Take that 'tude into space, and they'd just be lookin' for the next species to annihilate, not lookin' for friends. Both are projections from our state of being of course, but I tend towards the friendly interpretation. Particularly concerning our Wow! signal. Assuming that it was an alien broadcast, they must be curious to be sending messages and curiosity would mean they are philosophical. And friendly too because if you want to steal a planet's resources or suck the occupants brains out you wouldn't call them up and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Marvellous, even though I somehow knew what was going to happen... Good to see a young Richard Kiel making the most of his talents too! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I think this is the whole episode: The Twilight Zone To Serve Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6dXsjKcA9I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6dXsjKcA9I The Twilight Zone To Serve Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6dXsjKcA9I View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6dXsjKcA9I Preview by Yahoo From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I think they finally deciphered the title of the Wow! signal and found that it is To Serve Man. :-) Priceless, I'd love to see the rest of that. It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
capitalism is our greatest threat. Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 1989
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
capitalism is our greatest threat. Don't worry about it, Maharishi's Programmes will take care of it. Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 1989
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading? On 11/17/2014 9:10 PM, awoelflebater wrote: You betcha I'm reading, Edg. Christ man, I love it when you're mad. You've just shot the bastard down in flames. You've fucking made my day. By this post Barry Wright has destroyed any credibility his writing may have previously contained - exposed as the /True Believer/ and a hypocrite of immense proportions. He actually truly believes he saw a guy levitate, hundreds of times, yet Barry claims it was a normal event. It's not normal - it's cognitive dissonance on a grand scale put forth as Woo Woo! Personally I don't care what he says or does, I just get tired of people lying all the time and trying to puff themselves up to make them seem better or more spiritually advanced than others. Judy was right about this guy. Go figure. /*I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB */
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Judy was right about this guy. Go figure. The Turq's real problem is so lama-brainwashed that he actually believes that compassion will solve the problems of this planet. Nuclear radiation and the possible rise of sea levels is nothing compared to our lack of compassion ! Go figure indeed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading? On 11/17/2014 9:10 PM, awoelflebater wrote: You betcha I'm reading, Edg. Christ man, I love it when you're mad. You've just shot the bastard down in flames. You've fucking made my day. By this post Barry Wright has destroyed any credibility his writing may have previously contained - exposed as the True Believer and a hypocrite of immense proportions. He actually truly believes he saw a guy levitate, hundreds of times, yet Barry claims it was a normal event. It's not normal - it's cognitive dissonance on a grand scale put forth as Woo Woo! Personally I don't care what he says or does, I just get tired of people lying all the time and trying to puff themselves up to make them seem better or more spiritually advanced than others. Judy was right about this guy. Go figure. I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Judy was right about this guy. Go figure. The Turq's real problem is that he is so lama-brainwashed that he actually believes that compassion will solve the problems of this planet. Nuclear radiation and the possible rise of sea levels is nothing compared to our lack of compassion ! Go figure indeed. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading? On 11/17/2014 9:10 PM, awoelflebater wrote: You betcha I'm reading, Edg. Christ man, I love it when you're mad. You've just shot the bastard down in flames. You've fucking made my day. By this post Barry Wright has destroyed any credibility his writing may have previously contained - exposed as the True Believer and a hypocrite of immense proportions. He actually truly believes he saw a guy levitate, hundreds of times, yet Barry claims it was a normal event. It's not normal - it's cognitive dissonance on a grand scale put forth as Woo Woo! Personally I don't care what he says or does, I just get tired of people lying all the time and trying to puff themselves up to make them seem better or more spiritually advanced than others. Judy was right about this guy. Go figure. I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night. - TurquoiseB
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : How do you know that global warming is the biggest threat ? According to some methaphysists we would all be dead long ago if our Space Brothers didn't initiate their programmes to neutralize nuclear radiation here right after WWII. Radiation our instruments are far to crude to register. I don't think amounts of radiation that can seriously harm living things is hard to measure. Geiger counters and other means of measuring radiation were developed decades ago and they have only been getting more advanced and sensitive. I'd have to disagree with you on that one, Nabby. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur wrote : ahhh, yes. On 11/17/2014 10:25 PM, awoelflebater wrote: An unconscious cry for help? It's a desperate grab for attention, obviously. He was exposed very early on by Judy over on Google Groups. The question is, why would a smart guy like Barry post such stpid stuff for Judy to read and risk ridicule from his peers by making mystical claims for levitation AND AT THE SAME TIME DISCREDIT EVERYONE ELSE''S SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCES? It just doesn't make any sense. He is a case of something, but it's much deeper than I want to go. Where is that quack Dr. Pete when we need him? Oh, I forgot, he's on Barry's Facebook friends list. Go figure. /Some tantric traditions are very hip to the exchange of energies between individuals, and also hip to the fact that someone who knows how can artificially add to their own kundalini or life energy by getting people to focus on them, and then sorta sucking the energy from that focused attention./ - TurquoiseB ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
On 11/17/2014 10:26 PM, steve.sundur wrote: I think you're on the right track here. It would probably make more sense for the aliens to abduct humans for secret study or implants, than it would be for them to suddenly appear on the White House lawn and ask to see our leader. So in fact, what people have reported about alien abductions makes more sense than Barry's little green men scenario - invading the earth, raising hell and creating havoc with our minds causing us to go insane, /or in his case,not be affected at all. / It could be that Barry didn't realize that Rama was an alien and that he was offed because he knew too much. Go figure. Notes: 1. John Edward Mac was a student of Holotropic Breathwork, a meditative technique developed by Stanislav Grof. 2. The term 'abduction phenomenon' describes claims of non-human creatures kidnapping individuals and temporarily removing them from familiar terrestrial surroundings. Read more: Alien Abductions phenomenon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abduction_phenomenon John Edward Mack: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edward_Mack Recommended reading: *Abduction: Human Encounters with Aliens* by John E. Mack, M.D. Scribner (August 1, 2007 *Extra-Planetary Experiences* Alien-Human Contact and the Expansion of Consciousness by Thomas James Streicher, Ph.D. Bear Company, 2012 *Alien Agenda* by Jim Marrs Harper, 2000 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : 5. Crazy shit. There would be no end to the crazy shit. You're right. I'd bet there would be an increase in mental illness if we did contact aliens. As any advanced civilization capable of monitoring us would be aware of our fragile psyches I think it is likely that that is why they haven't introduced themselves. They're waiting for us to fully mature. I suppose it's not completely beyond the bounds of the possible that UFO sightings and crop circles could be their way of gently getting us used to the idea that we're not alone.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : capitalism is our greatest threat. Don't worry about it, Maharishi's Programmes will take care of it. Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 1989 To be replaced with...?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Geiger counters measure but the crudest harmful radiation. When our communication with the Space Brothers goes to the next step it will be seen that their greatest contribution to this planet was that they saved our lives by neutralized extremely dangerous radiation. A work that has been, and continues to be, in co-operation with the Hierarchy of Masters of which Maitreya is the most advanced and Guru Dev, Mary and Jesus from Nasareth prominent members. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : How do you know that global warming is the biggest threat ? According to some methaphysists we would all be dead long ago if our Space Brothers didn't initiate their programmes to neutralize nuclear radiation here right after WWII. Radiation our instruments are far to crude to register. I don't think amounts of radiation that can seriously harm living things is hard to measure. Geiger counters and other means of measuring radiation were developed decades ago and they have only been getting more advanced and sensitive. I'd have to disagree with you on that one, Nabby. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
On 11/17/2014 11:02 PM, steve.sundur wrote: Tis true that impossible things are happening everyday, but the curmudgeonaliness seems pretty embedded. (-: /Their worldview is what is called the materialistic paradigm. According to this view, there is only one hard reality, namely that which is observable through the senses. This dualistic approach would separate the observer from the observed, subject from object - they don't seem to be able to explain consciousness in this new paradigm. In so doing, all of the information about other or unseen realities that has become available to us through consciousness research is blocked, so that they even restrict our understanding of consciousness and experience itself. From reading their posts, it would appear that any phenomenal experience that is not available to the senses is a sham. According to William James, it is a mistake to think of science is a closed and completed font of truth and that unclassifiable phenomena must be untrue. /Works cited: Wilber, Ken. *Eye to Eye: The Quest for the New Paradigm*. Shambhala Publications; 3 Revised edition, 2011 James, William. *What Psychical Research Has Accomplished*, Essays in Popular Philosophy New York: Dover. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ahhh, yes. An unconscious cry for help?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
I just wish we all knew if you became psychotic from TM and TMSP or listening
to other hucksters like Creme.
From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Geiger counters measure but the crudest harmful radiation. When our
communication with the Space Brothers goes to the next step it will be seen
that their greatest contribution to this planet was that they saved our lives
by neutralized extremely dangerous radiation. A work that has been, and
continues to be, in co-operation with the Hierarchy of Masters of which
Maitreya is the most advanced and Guru Dev, Mary and Jesus from Nasareth
prominent members.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
How do you know that global warming is the biggest threat ? According to some
methaphysists we would all be dead long ago if our Space Brothers didn't
initiate their programmes to neutralize nuclear radiation here right after
WWII. Radiation our instruments are far to crude to register.
I don't think amounts of radiation that can seriously harm living things is
hard to measure. Geiger counters and other means of measuring radiation were
developed decades ago and they have only been getting more advanced and
sensitive. I'd have to disagree with you on that one, Nabby.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ionizing_radiation
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
*From:* Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, November 17, 2014 6:32 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Now, I shouldn't be surprised that you said this, because you say you saw levitation, and frankly, I would equate levitating to alien landing in how strongly human-mindset-impacting either would be if the world was given all the proofs necessary to KNOW instead of believe. And there you are saying you saw it and, so I guess, you're saying that that experience didn't do all that much of anything to you, so probably aliens wouldn't change your world either. On 11/17/2014 1:22 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */What you're missing is having lived with seeing this for 14 years and watching as other people saw it, admitted having seen it and even raved about seeing it, but then a few days later claimed that they'd never seen it. Human beings have an investment in the status quo that can override ANYTHING. /* What we are missing, Barry, is why you are being so hypocritical about this and trying to discredit our subjective experiences. They ARE our experiences! If your experience was NO BIG DEAL, then why couldn't others see them as a BIG DEAL and not get smeared by you? You just don't seem to want to talk about the levitation events and you seem very defensive about it. Go figure. /I've experienced enlightenment many times. In my case, these were fleeting experiences, and they come and go, and furthermore, BFD. These experiences were very real to me, and I am comfortable with talking about them as if they were real./ - TurquoiseB http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, 1989 On 11/18/2014 11:05 AM, salyavin808 wrote: To be replaced with...? When we get into outer space we won't need any monetary system - /in space there is no need for money - nothing to buy, and nobody to buy anything from.No more figuring./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
On 11/18/2014 11:16 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: I just wish we all knew if you became psychotic from TM and TMSP or listening to other hucksters like Creme. /What I want to know is if you became psychotic from the TM and TMSP or the cognitive dissonance of listening to rebel yells./ *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, November 18, 2014 12:14 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Geiger counters measure but the crudest harmful radiation. When our communication with the Space Brothers goes to the next step it will be seen that their greatest contribution to this planet was that they saved our lives by neutralized extremely dangerous radiation. A work that has been, and continues to be, in co-operation with the Hierarchy of Masters of which Maitreya is the most advanced and Guru Dev, Mary and Jesus from Nasareth prominent members.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
turq, I'm not suffering. That's YOUR Unfounded Assumption!
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Salyavin, I admit that when I imagine more developed beings, I automatically
assume that would include being ultra compassionate. I guess the tricky part
is, how would ultra compassion be expressed?
Opinions vary about what an ultra-technological society would be like. Some
think that they would be extremely friendly because crossing interstellar space
is such a big undertaking that, surely, any species would have to have
conquered any bad attitudes amongst themselves long ago and pulled together.
It sounds to me as if Share is suffering under Yet Another Unfounded
Assumption. By most standards, homo sapiens could be considered the most
developed species on planet Earth, but they've been the cause of the
extinction of (by some estimates) 99% of the other species that ever developed
here. One could hardly call that an indication of compassion. It also appears
likely that humans will eradicate the remaining 1% in the next 20-50 years,
also hardly an indicator of compassion.
Finally, since Share seems to equate Maharishi and his teachings with being
more developed, I challenge her to find even one instance of the *word*
compassion in either The Science of Being or Maharishi's commentary on the
Bhagavad-Gita.
Hint: According to Amazon's Look Inside This Book search feature, she can't
do it. Maharishi spent over 50 years without ever *using* the word
compassion, much less teaching it. And I think anyone who spent any time with
him knows how little compassion he actually demonstrated in his life.
Another way of looking at it is that intelligence implies belligerence. Maybe
it's only possible to evolve to this space-faring level if you've had the
environmental and social hardships to drive you towards mastering the
environment and defeating any enemies. Bad attitude built in.
It is certainly likely, given what we've seen in the species that have appeared
on Earth, that any species arising elsewhere and being able to come here would
be pretty much the very definition of belligerent. You don't get to be the
ruling species on your home planet without defeating most of the other species.
Take that 'tude into space, and they'd just be lookin' for the next species to
annihilate, not lookin' for friends.
Both are projections from our state of being of course, but I tend towards the
friendly interpretation. Particularly concerning our Wow! signal. Assuming that
it was an alien broadcast, they must be curious to be sending messages and
curiosity would mean they are philosophical. And friendly too because if you
want to steal a planet's resources or suck the occupants brains out you
wouldn't call them up and say Hi! Unless the message reads Start running -
you've got 30 years before we get there.
Maybe we'd better work on decoding it before it's too late
I think they finally deciphered the title of the Wow! signal and found that it
is To Serve Man. :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
He's simply a button pusher, or as another member here summarized, a reaction vampire. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : turq, I'm not suffering. That's YOUR Unfounded Assumption! From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I admit that when I imagine more developed beings, I automatically assume that would include being ultra compassionate. I guess the tricky part is, how would ultra compassion be expressed? Opinions vary about what an ultra-technological society would be like. Some think that they would be extremely friendly because crossing interstellar space is such a big undertaking that, surely, any species would have to have conquered any bad attitudes amongst themselves long ago and pulled together. It sounds to me as if Share is suffering under Yet Another Unfounded Assumption. By most standards, homo sapiens could be considered the most developed species on planet Earth, but they've been the cause of the extinction of (by some estimates) 99% of the other species that ever developed here. One could hardly call that an indication of compassion. It also appears likely that humans will eradicate the remaining 1% in the next 20-50 years, also hardly an indicator of compassion. Finally, since Share seems to equate Maharishi and his teachings with being more developed, I challenge her to find even one instance of the *word* compassion in either The Science of Being or Maharishi's commentary on the Bhagavad-Gita. Hint: According to Amazon's Look Inside This Book search feature, she can't do it. Maharishi spent over 50 years without ever *using* the word compassion, much less teaching it. And I think anyone who spent any time with him knows how little compassion he actually demonstrated in his life. Another way of looking at it is that intelligence implies belligerence. Maybe it's only possible to evolve to this space-faring level if you've had the environmental and social hardships to drive you towards mastering the environment and defeating any enemies. Bad attitude built in. It is certainly likely, given what we've seen in the species that have appeared on Earth, that any species arising elsewhere and being able to come here would be pretty much the very definition of belligerent. You don't get to be the ruling species on your home planet without defeating most of the other species. Take that 'tude into space, and they'd just be lookin' for the next species to annihilate, not lookin' for friends. Both are projections from our state of being of course, but I tend towards the friendly interpretation. Particularly concerning our Wow! signal. Assuming that it was an alien broadcast, they must be curious to be sending messages and curiosity would mean they are philosophical. And friendly too because if you want to steal a planet's resources or suck the occupants brains out you wouldn't call them up and say Hi! Unless the message reads Start running - you've got 30 years before we get there. Maybe we'd better work on decoding it before it's too late I think they finally deciphered the title of the Wow! signal and found that it is To Serve Man. :-) It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI It's a Cookbook! Ahah... I get it! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIufLRpJYnI Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Geiger counters measure but the crudest harmful radiation. When our communication with the Space Brothers goes to the next step it will be seen that their greatest contribution to this planet was that they saved our lives by neutralized extremely dangerous radiation. A work that has been, and continues to be, in co-operation with the Hierarchy of Masters of which Maitreya is the most advanced and Guru Dev, Mary and Jesus from Nasareth prominent members. Nabby, I don't know why people harangue on you for your beliefs. I love them. They are fascinating and they are incredible and I mean this in the most positive of ways. Keep on being who you are and following your North Star, wherever it may take you.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : The sleep paralysis is an interesting explanation. I do recall, though, (30 years ago), that she heard them on the stairs first and then they came into the room, described their big black eyes, and small form. Glad I didn't wake up. She didn't talk about it afterwards, and being such a traumatic experience for her, it wouldn't have been very considerate for me to ask her about it. We were not UFO buffs at all. Weird stuff, and like you say, maddeningly, never definitive. On 11/17/2014 3:42 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Interestingly, most people who report abduction experiences aren't UFO buffs. It has already been established that perception is reality - we have several eyewitness accounts to paranormal events which have been found to be REAL experiences, yet unexplained. For example, there is the case of /Fred Lenz/, who was observed to be a flying object up in the sky by hundreds of observers on numerous occasions, as reported on FFL recently. In one case, Lenz flew from the desert floor up to the side of a nearby mountain and waved at the people down below. So far, these experiences have NOT been discredited by you or anyone else on this forum. The only report that has been scientifically discredited is the notion that Fred Lenz was in fact an alien from another planet or solar system and was the /Last Incarnation of Lord Vishnu, /as claimed by Barry./ An unidentified flying object, or UFO, in its most general definition, is any apparent anomaly in the sky that is not identifiable as a known object or phenomenon. /http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidentified_flying_object They don't really need to be though, the experience has followed popular culture closely. It seems the imagery in films like /Close Encounters of the Third Kind / hasbecome well and truly universal. There were no alien abduction reports before Hollywood got busy with the subject. Even the first such tale, the case of Betty and Barney Hill, seemed suspiciously like an episode of sci-fi TV show /The Outer Limits /that was broadcast a few weeks before. Couple these reference points with the human imagination and it's a potent formula. In the old days of goblins and elves they used different imagery in sleep paralysis (if that's what it was) incidents. The mind is a strange place. I just wish I'd had experiences like this, but it didn't matter how many haunted houses I slept in or cold hillsides I camped on I never saw anything unusual! Some of the famous abduction stories are so far out they defy any categorisation, that so many are only revealed under hypnosis makes them more easily dismissed, but even in the most well known and inexplicable ones that have been studied and written about, I'm firmly in the camp of aliens being the least likely explanation. But I keep my eye on it all as I like watching how the story has evolved and find the abduction researchers really interesting. The internet has ruined it because there are so many sites of such low quality and transparently nonsensical conspiracy rubbish it's hard to sort the wheat from the chaff. Most would say it's all chaff but the evolving beliefs tell us a lot about current social fears about nuclear war and genetic engineering and distrust of government. Interesting to see it bubble up in the guise of terrifying humanoids that invade our homes at night. And then there's how the classic UFO stories get tweaked to fit the new narrative, the type of stories that get reported and the type of aliens involved have changed so much in my lifetime that the Earth must by the busiest place in the universe with hundreds of incoming craft from different worlds/dimensions every hour. We sure are popular! Interesting stuff, there's probably a folklore PHD or two in there somewhere
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Hi Curtis, still fumbling here and what I'm sensing is that, in terms of knowledge, my interpretation of what Maharishi meant is something more than what I'll call everyday knowledge. In fact, I've often wondered if by knowledge, Maharishi didn't mean Truth. But maybe I've now descended into splitting hairs (-: From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Share, I think you make a great case for taking care of yourself (diet and exercise), getting enough rest, and if you feel tired in the afternoon, take a nap. I am on board with all of that. We are both welcome to our own interpretations of what part meditation plays in that. If it is something you value and enjoy it is none of my business. It was Maharishi's claim that I disagree with. I don't see any connection with what you said below with knowledge being different in different states of C. I suspect even at your most unsettled and unrested, if I asked you about something you know about, you would just answer me just as you do when you are feeling better. That is because your knowledge isn't different in different states of consciousness. That our variable feelings are different in different states would make a better case than about our knowledge being different. All we can say is that we feel better or worse at different times, and our body's state seems to affect this. The variable of how much consciousness I am experiencing at any one time seems like a very small variable among more important factors. How much I care about something is the biggest predictor of how rich my knowledge is and given something I care about, I will fight through any fatigue factor to do it as much justice as I can to a subject I care about. Again, we are just talking here. It is a great way to sort out thoughts isn't it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any practical case for how it might apply to our daily life which is why he needed to extend the example. Saying that our knowledge is different in deep sleep is a bit of a stretch because it is a state of zero consciousness. So it isn't that the knowledge is different as much as the knower is gone. In dreams we also have a very altered sense of self so there really isn't a parallel there either. It isn't that our knowledge, which is by his definition experience and understanding.The understanding part is missing because the experience is not organized as it is in waking state. So saying that these are different style experience does nothing to establish the principle he is attempting to establish, that knowledge
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Steve, you remind me of something I've been hearing for years: that airplanes are OFF COURSE 80% of the time. Nonetheless most of them manage to make it to their destination. And I agree, it's a fun ride overall.IMHO, winter has arrived way too early! From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs I guess it's like shooting the rapids, only maybe that implies too much thinking. But you aim for the v, and then let the current do the rest, with maybe some slight adjustments along the way. Okay, maybe some larger adjustments on occasion. But, overall it is a fun ride. And it is nice that you were able to have a silent, but positive influence on your friend. I think that's the way it works too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi Steve, I think being on auto pilot about all this is a great way to be. And sometimes it's fun to actually think about some of Maharishi's concepts that I simply have taken for granted for so long. Another experience I've been having recently fascinates me because it seems to be self contradictory: I'm both more spontaneous but less expressive. I think I'm doing emotional processing more on the inside, so that when I speak, my speech is more lively, more full of life force. But I'm not really expressing emotions. Does that make sense? It's a very different experience for me, feels very good. A friend said that after she had dinner with me, she felt that all the anger towards her SO was gone! That also made me feel really good. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Hi Share, I think I have probably lost my interest in unpacking KISIC and its corollary too much. I am willing to accept the premise of the seven states of consciousness. And as such, I will allow that from fourth thru seventh states, there are differences. I would say the reason I am willing to do so, is that I have observed my experience change over the past 40 years as I have embarked on a spiritual path. Now, the funny thing, is that I don't pay much, if any attention to any experiences I might have. But neither do I deny them, or do I feel a need to berate others for describing their experiences. Nay, I find them inspiring, just as I enjoyed hearing the experiences you related the last couple days. I also have derived inspiration from the Vedic/Hindu texts to which I have had exposure, although I have not really looked at anything in decades. As I understand it, the Buddhist texts, or Buddhist philosophy describe similar states So, in a sense I have been on auto pilot. To bottom line it, I believe that, as humans, the experience of realizing that the world around us, is just our self, is the ultimate reality. And so this this covers both KISIC and KIDIDSOC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think
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it on the table: UFOs Share, I think you make a great case for taking care of yourself (diet and exercise), getting enough rest, and if you feel tired in the afternoon, take a nap. I am on board with all of that. We are both welcome to our own interpretations of what part meditation plays in that. If it is something you value and enjoy it is none of my business. It was Maharishi's claim that I disagree with. I don't see any connection with what you said below with knowledge being different in different states of C. I suspect even at your most unsettled and unrested, if I asked you about something you know about, you would just answer me just as you do when you are feeling better. That is because your knowledge isn't different in different states of consciousness. That our variable feelings are different in different states would make a better case than about our knowledge being different. All we can say is that we feel better or worse at different times, and our body's state seems to affect this. The variable of how much consciousness I am experiencing at any one time seems like a very small variable among more important factors. How much I care about something is the biggest predictor of how rich my knowledge is and given something I care about, I will fight through any fatigue factor to do it as much justice as I can to a subject I care about. Again, we are just talking here. It is a great way to sort out thoughts isn't it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any practical case for how it might apply to our daily life which is why he needed to extend the example. Saying that our knowledge is different in deep sleep is a bit of a stretch because it is a state of zero consciousness. So it isn't that the knowledge is different as much as the knower is gone. In dreams we also have a very altered sense of self so there really isn't a parallel there either. It isn't that our knowledge, which is by his definition experience and understanding.The understanding part is missing because the experience is not organized as it is in waking state. So saying that these are different style experience does nothing to establish the principle he is attempting to establish, that knowledge is structured in consciousness. The best he does is to point out that to know anything we must be aware and to know specific things we must be aware of those things and be in a state of mind capable of that. Not exactly an enlightened news flash. C: But where it gets interesting is when you consider the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh states, and how knowledge is perceived or acquired, differently in those states. But, if you don't buy into the reality of those states, then it is easy
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Curtis, what grabbed my attention the most was your comment about knowledge and nice internal feeling. Don't know why this comes to mind, but here it is: some women report having a REALLY nice internal feeling when their newborn is placed in their arms for the first time. Probably the result of a heck of a lot of oxytocin being released! But they also report feeling a most profound love. And I think love is the result of the deepest knowledge of anyone or anything. And I think that has the greatest value for human life, the living of that. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs I think you are right if we look at the source of the quote. He is interpreting a Rig Vedic verse that says that the gods reside in heaven. Richo akshare parame veyomon. (It has been decades but I think that is how you spell it!) So at its loftiest level in his system he interprets this to mean that the hymns of the Veda are in the absolute which is the religious idea that despite historical evidence to the contrary, the Vedas came along with Man. (And like Christianity's creation myth, fails to account for the 250 million year reign of the dinosaurs!) So he took this religious assertion from his holy books and tried to put it into terms that might sell in the modern world to people who were not Hindu believers. The rest of the connection with how the movement uses this is all Maharishi and is a long way from the phrase itself. He uses it as a selling point to say that his trademarke meditation gives you a special state of mind where your knowledge (understanding and experience by his definition) is perfect or complete or any other one of the superlatives he applied to it like supreme knowledge. It is essentially a religious concept that he tried to make folksy for us to relate to. The intro lecture completes this descending into our common life with claims about how it gives us our full mental potential using the now discredited idea that we only use 10% of our brains and that with TM we will use the rest of it. So we are left to interpret it for ourselves how we personally relate to it all. I think there is a bit of dodging and weaving going on with movement claims where if one claim is seen as not accurate the target is shifted, like flying becomes the much less measurable world peace. So we have claims about mental development and how the growth of consciousness expands and since that is the container of knowledge our knowledge is somehow improved. (exactly how it does is not spelled out.) In the end you have people saying stuff like they feel more wholeness, or unboundedness or purity,bliss, or simplicity, or any other of a list of vague puffy words that, although poetic, don't really describe more than a nice feeling inside. And we forget that originally the claim was about knowledge and not just a nice internal feeling. What I am saying is that I don't believe that this connection of the expansion of consciousness feeling has proven to have any affect at all on people's knowledge in any way that seems to matter or is detectible outside their own self satisfied feeling about themselves. Same for Maharishi. He seemed like a super ambitious guy and an empire builder who made his share of mistakes like any other super ambitious guy. I don't see anything in what I heard him say after a decade and a half of listening to every tape of him talking I possibly could, that couldn't be replicated by anyone who was a good speaker and versed in the Hinduism he believed in. If anything he was a bit of an intellectual slacker by never mastering the all important Vedic language of Sanskrit while claiming that his mental state was so refined he didn't need to do the work that mastery would take. He was more of a business man dabbling in just enough spirituality to keep us entertained on courses. But once I started reading the books for myself I realized how thin his presentation of the breadth of the Vedic literature really was. He was a Reader's Digest Vedic guru pitching a superficial self congratulatory version of the Vedas. I heard this complaint from more than one Sanskrit scholar in the movement BTW. I also had an interesting exchange with Vernon Katz in Yugoslavia where he knowingly told me that Maharishi was quite the optimist about his teaching. I know he loves Maharishi but I am quite sure he saw through more of Maharishi's intellectual pretensions and failings than most. So what is the evidence that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness? I don't have any. It seems like a cool idea that just didn't see to pan out. And with the movement functioning on the level it does intellectually, when I listen to movement leaders like Raja Dude and Hagelin
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Thanks for keeping the topic going and now expanding it into another area. It is another interest of mine. One of the questions I have about meditaton and the pleasure states they invoke is whether or not it subverts the natural reward system our brains have for achieving something like drugs do. So if you can feel the same way without the hassle of having a baby, why not? Or how about getting the feeling I get when I have a great show without ever leaving the house? This is why I am dubious about drug highs as well as meditation highs. I used to be so addicted to the feelings I got in program and now I am chasing the same good feeling through my artistic life and teaching. I know what works for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, what grabbed my attention the most was your comment about knowledge and nice internal feeling. Don't know why this comes to mind, but here it is: some women report having a REALLY nice internal feeling when their newborn is placed in their arms for the first time. Probably the result of a heck of a lot of oxytocin being released! But they also report feeling a most profound love. And I think love is the result of the deepest knowledge of anyone or anything. And I think that has the greatest value for human life, the living of that. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs I think you are right if we look at the source of the quote. He is interpreting a Rig Vedic verse that says that the gods reside in heaven. Richo akshare parame veyomon. (It has been decades but I think that is how you spell it!) So at its loftiest level in his system he interprets this to mean that the hymns of the Veda are in the absolute which is the religious idea that despite historical evidence to the contrary, the Vedas came along with Man. (And like Christianity's creation myth, fails to account for the 250 million year reign of the dinosaurs!) So he took this religious assertion from his holy books and tried to put it into terms that might sell in the modern world to people who were not Hindu believers. The rest of the connection with how the movement uses this is all Maharishi and is a long way from the phrase itself. He uses it as a selling point to say that his trademarke meditation gives you a special state of mind where your knowledge (understanding and experience by his definition) is perfect or complete or any other one of the superlatives he applied to it like supreme knowledge. It is essentially a religious concept that he tried to make folksy for us to relate to. The intro lecture completes this descending into our common life with claims about how it gives us our full mental potential using the now discredited idea that we only use 10% of our brains and that with TM we will use the rest of it. So we are left to interpret it for ourselves how we personally relate to it all. I think there is a bit of dodging and weaving going on with movement claims where if one claim is seen as not accurate the target is shifted, like flying becomes the much less measurable world peace. So we have claims about mental development and how the growth of consciousness expands and since that is the container of knowledge our knowledge is somehow improved. (exactly how it does is not spelled out.) In the end you have people saying stuff like they feel more wholeness, or unboundedness or purity,bliss, or simplicity, or any other of a list of vague puffy words that, although poetic, don't really describe more than a nice feeling inside. And we forget that originally the claim was about knowledge and not just a nice internal feeling. What I am saying is that I don't believe that this connection of the expansion of consciousness feeling has proven to have any affect at all on people's knowledge in any way that seems to matter or is detectible outside their own self satisfied feeling about themselves. Same for Maharishi. He seemed like a super ambitious guy and an empire builder who made his share of mistakes like any other super ambitious guy. I don't see anything in what I heard him say after a decade and a half of listening to every tape of him talking I possibly could, that couldn't be replicated by anyone who was a good speaker and versed in the Hinduism he believed in. If anything he was a bit of an intellectual slacker by never mastering the all important Vedic language of Sanskrit while claiming that his mental state was so refined he didn't need to do the work that mastery would take. He was more of a business man dabbling in just enough spirituality to keep us entertained on courses. But once I started reading the books for myself I realized how thin his presentation of the breadth of the Vedic literature really
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Curtis, what I'm experiencing these days is that feeling good has taken on a new meaning. It might not be comfy or cozy, but it's very alive, very in the moment. As that takes over, something else is guiding my actions. And it's definitely not the urge to just feel good. Hey, I think it's just life force...maybe what Maharishi called dharma. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Thanks for keeping the topic going and now expanding it into another area. It is another interest of mine. One of the questions I have about meditaton and the pleasure states they invoke is whether or not it subverts the natural reward system our brains have for achieving something like drugs do. So if you can feel the same way without the hassle of having a baby, why not? Or how about getting the feeling I get when I have a great show without ever leaving the house? This is why I am dubious about drug highs as well as meditation highs. I used to be so addicted to the feelings I got in program and now I am chasing the same good feeling through my artistic life and teaching. I know what works for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, what grabbed my attention the most was your comment about knowledge and nice internal feeling. Don't know why this comes to mind, but here it is: some women report having a REALLY nice internal feeling when their newborn is placed in their arms for the first time. Probably the result of a heck of a lot of oxytocin being released! But they also report feeling a most profound love. And I think love is the result of the deepest knowledge of anyone or anything. And I think that has the greatest value for human life, the living of that. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs I think you are right if we look at the source of the quote. He is interpreting a Rig Vedic verse that says that the gods reside in heaven. Richo akshare parame veyomon. (It has been decades but I think that is how you spell it!) So at its loftiest level in his system he interprets this to mean that the hymns of the Veda are in the absolute which is the religious idea that despite historical evidence to the contrary, the Vedas came along with Man. (And like Christianity's creation myth, fails to account for the 250 million year reign of the dinosaurs!) So he took this religious assertion from his holy books and tried to put it into terms that might sell in the modern world to people who were not Hindu believers. The rest of the connection with how the movement uses this is all Maharishi and is a long way from the phrase itself. He uses it as a selling point to say that his trademarke meditation gives you a special state of mind where your knowledge (understanding and experience by his definition) is perfect or complete or any other one of the superlatives he applied to it like supreme knowledge. It is essentially a religious concept that he tried to make folksy for us to relate to. The intro lecture completes this descending into our common life with claims about how it gives us our full mental potential using the now discredited idea that we only use 10% of our brains and that with TM we will use the rest of it. So we are left to interpret it for ourselves how we personally relate to it all. I think there is a bit of dodging and weaving going on with movement claims where if one claim is seen as not accurate the target is shifted, like flying becomes the much less measurable world peace. So we have claims about mental development and how the growth of consciousness expands and since that is the container of knowledge our knowledge is somehow improved. (exactly how it does is not spelled out.) In the end you have people saying stuff like they feel more wholeness, or unboundedness or purity,bliss, or simplicity, or any other of a list of vague puffy words that, although poetic, don't really describe more than a nice feeling inside. And we forget that originally the claim was about knowledge and not just a nice internal feeling. What I am saying is that I don't believe that this connection of the expansion of consciousness feeling has proven to have any affect at all on people's knowledge in any way that seems to matter or is detectible outside their own self satisfied feeling about themselves. Same for Maharishi. He seemed like a super ambitious guy and an empire builder who made his share of mistakes like any other super ambitious guy. I don't see anything in what I heard him say after a decade and a half of listening to every tape of him talking I
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Barrowd, Please re-read and note that I used the word if. Having done so, I did not need to shore up any cred for Gordon --- saved by the if, ya see? Meanwhile, your claim would not change my life in any way seems to be so obviously in-human that I would ask you to reconsider the statement. Now, I shouldn't be surprised that you said this, because you say you saw levitation, and frankly, I would equate levitating to alien landing in how strongly human-mindset-impacting either would be if the world was given all the proofs necessary to KNOW instead of believe. And there you are saying you saw it and, so I guess, you're saying that that experience didn't do all that much of anything to you, so probably aliens wouldn't change your world either. Have I got your reasoning here? Something like that? Did you actually KNOW that levitation was taking place, or did you say, There's a 1% chance this is some sort of staged illusion. Even the slightest doubt would be -- to me -- why levitation didn't shake your world at the time. If there were zero doubts and yet still your world was not rocked, then, okay, I got no explanation for why your nervous system didn't act normally. But here's what I think REAL HUMANS would do if aliens landed: 1. Obsess. Think how easily great hunks of various populations can be shifted into a mindset. 1/3 of America was roused by the word ebola enough to have, say, dozens of thoughts per day about what it meant to their lives. And the other 2/3rds who were immune to the mental stampede yet still had to have had thoughts about ebola's characteristics just in order to be on top of the issue. See? If aliens land on the White House lawn, are you kidding me, Barry? The sheer amount of media tonnage would make you, force you, absolutely cram you with everyone's opinions about the event. There is zero way your nervous system could avoid the prongs, the triggerings and conclusions of everyone else, and perforce, you'd be a victim of a flood of thoughts about the aliens. And flood of thoughts means IT CHANGES YOU. No way you could avoid, say, having a thought about aliens EVERY FIVE MINUTES. It would be the first issue of everyone upon awakening in the morning. 2. Question. There'd be no human agenda that was not obviously impacted. From wars all the way down to do-I-ask-her-to-marry-me would be revised in light of a landing. If aliens land, I don't ask if I should marry, I ask if there will be a world tomorrow in which one might then marry. If aliens lands, I don't just keep bombing another county without asking, Hmm, do the aliens have tech that could stomp us and what would they think about our warfare? And so forth for all agendas. Some agendas especially, but all agendas at least to some degree. 3. Doubt. Virtually every value would be re-examined in light of the landing. Am I my brother's keeper? Does God exist? What's the meaning of life? -- all these issues are now followed by What do the aliens have to say about this? 4. Turmoil. It would be hard to underestimate the amount of carnage that would happen almost instantly given the present cultures on Earth. Every leader's status would now be needing an aliens statement, and with 1/3 of every population having a religious addiction, there's going to be throngs outside of every leader's office clamoring for decisions that favor their interpretations of the aliens, and if there's dissonance, there will be blood. If you say aliens don't worship Allah, I keel you. If aliens are okay with homos, kill the aliens. Should I go to work today at the nuke-bomb-making-plant? Etc. 5. Crazy shit. There would be no end to the crazy shit. Look at Nabs going nutzoid for crop circles -- there's 1/3 of every population with similar minds -- hair triggered and half-cocked -- ready to do every single thing imaginable to the aliens. From I want to have sex with you to whole segments arming themselves to mass demonstrations to over-night-cults. The crazies along would exhaust global clarity with emotional obfuscations. Enough? Do I have to do more numbers to show that you have not considered an alien landing hardly at all? YOU WOULD BE CHANGED. You latched onto two gurus already who were offering panaceas, and you'd want aliens to clean up the the world too. How can you deny who you have been? And you bonk everyone here for slight infractions -- that is, you're obsessed with pointing out how falsely others are thinking about you and existence in general -- but noo, you wouldn't be changed? Bull. Fucking. Shit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Gordon is not crazy, then the American government is purposefully, mindfully, ABSOLUTELY evil. So you're concerned that the guy who
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I can relate to that, well said. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, what I'm experiencing these days is that feeling good has taken on a new meaning. It might not be comfy or cozy, but it's very alive, very in the moment. As that takes over, something else is guiding my actions. And it's definitely not the urge to just feel good. Hey, I think it's just life force...maybe what Maharishi called dharma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Thanks for keeping the topic going and now expanding it into another area. It is another interest of mine. One of the questions I have about meditaton and the pleasure states they invoke is whether or not it subverts the natural reward system our brains have for achieving something like drugs do. So if you can feel the same way without the hassle of having a baby, why not? Or how about getting the feeling I get when I have a great show without ever leaving the house? This is why I am dubious about drug highs as well as meditation highs. I used to be so addicted to the feelings I got in program and now I am chasing the same good feeling through my artistic life and teaching. I know what works for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, what grabbed my attention the most was your comment about knowledge and nice internal feeling. Don't know why this comes to mind, but here it is: some women report having a REALLY nice internal feeling when their newborn is placed in their arms for the first time. Probably the result of a heck of a lot of oxytocin being released! But they also report feeling a most profound love. And I think love is the result of the deepest knowledge of anyone or anything. And I think that has the greatest value for human life, the living of that. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs I think you are right if we look at the source of the quote. He is interpreting a Rig Vedic verse that says that the gods reside in heaven. Richo akshare parame veyomon. (It has been decades but I think that is how you spell it!) So at its loftiest level in his system he interprets this to mean that the hymns of the Veda are in the absolute which is the religious idea that despite historical evidence to the contrary, the Vedas came along with Man. (And like Christianity's creation myth, fails to account for the 250 million year reign of the dinosaurs!) So he took this religious assertion from his holy books and tried to put it into terms that might sell in the modern world to people who were not Hindu believers. The rest of the connection with how the movement uses this is all Maharishi and is a long way from the phrase itself. He uses it as a selling point to say that his trademarke meditation gives you a special state of mind where your knowledge (understanding and experience by his definition) is perfect or complete or any other one of the superlatives he applied to it like supreme knowledge. It is essentially a religious concept that he tried to make folksy for us to relate to. The intro lecture completes this descending into our common life with claims about how it gives us our full mental potential using the now discredited idea that we only use 10% of our brains and that with TM we will use the rest of it. So we are left to interpret it for ourselves how we personally relate to it all. I think there is a bit of dodging and weaving going on with movement claims where if one claim is seen as not accurate the target is shifted, like flying becomes the much less measurable world peace. So we have claims about mental development and how the growth of consciousness expands and since that is the container of knowledge our knowledge is somehow improved. (exactly how it does is not spelled out.) In the end you have people saying stuff like they feel more wholeness, or unboundedness or purity,bliss, or simplicity, or any other of a list of vague puffy words that, although poetic, don't really describe more than a nice feeling inside. And we forget that originally the claim was about knowledge and not just a nice internal feeling. What I am saying is that I don't believe that this connection of the expansion of consciousness feeling has proven to have any affect at all on people's knowledge in any way that seems to matter or is detectible outside their own self satisfied feeling about themselves. Same for Maharishi. He seemed like a super ambitious guy and an empire builder who made his share of mistakes like any other super ambitious guy. I don't see
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Curtis, driving back from lunch, I found myself wondering if there is any connection between this life force and knowledge and consciousness. It's been such an interesting experience for me because, evidence to the contrary here, since feeling so connected to life force, I definitely am less analytical. At the same time, there seems to be a knowingness guiding my speech and actions and choices. But it is not a left brain situation at all. It seems to be more whole body if that makes sense. And consciousness itself feels more embodied. During the drive I concluded that there are so many ways that people can get to this place of knowingness that's whole body. Like you with your music. Some, including me, find it in nature. Anyway, thanks for the exchange. I can relate to that, well said. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, what I'm experiencing these days is that feeling good has taken on a new meaning. It might not be comfy or cozy, but it's very alive, very in the moment. As that takes over, something else is guiding my actions. And it's definitely not the urge to just feel good. Hey, I think it's just life force...maybe what Maharishi called dharma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Thanks for keeping the topic going and now expanding it into another area. It is another interest of mine. One of the questions I have about meditaton and the pleasure states they invoke is whether or not it subverts the natural reward system our brains have for achieving something like drugs do. So if you can feel the same way without the hassle of having a baby, why not? Or how about getting the feeling I get when I have a great show without ever leaving the house? This is why I am dubious about drug highs as well as meditation highs. I used to be so addicted to the feelings I got in program and now I am chasing the same good feeling through my artistic life and teaching. I know what works for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, what grabbed my attention the most was your comment about knowledge and nice internal feeling. Don't know why this comes to mind, but here it is: some women report having a REALLY nice internal feeling when their newborn is placed in their arms for the first time. Probably the result of a heck of a lot of oxytocin being released! But they also report feeling a most profound love. And I think love is the result of the deepest knowledge of anyone or anything. And I think that has the greatest value for human life, the living of that. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs I think you are right if we look at the source of the quote. He is interpreting a Rig Vedic verse that says that the gods reside in heaven. Richo akshare parame veyomon. (It has been decades but I think that is how you spell it!) So at its loftiest level in his system he interprets this to mean that the hymns of the Veda are in the absolute which is the religious idea that despite historical evidence to the contrary, the Vedas came along with Man. (And like Christianity's creation myth, fails to account for the 250 million year reign of the dinosaurs!) So he took this religious assertion from his holy books and tried to put it into terms that might sell in the modern world to people who were not Hindu believers. The rest of the connection with how the movement uses this is all Maharishi and is a long way from the phrase itself. He uses it as a selling point to say that his trademarke meditation gives you a special state of mind where your knowledge (understanding and experience by his definition) is perfect or complete or any other one of the superlatives he applied to it like supreme knowledge. It is essentially a religious concept that he tried to make folksy for us to relate to. The intro lecture completes this descending into our common life with claims about how it gives us our full mental potential using the now discredited idea that we only use 10% of our brains and that with TM we will use the rest of it. So we are left to interpret it for ourselves how we personally relate to it all. I think there is a bit of dodging and weaving going on with movement claims where if one claim is seen as not accurate the target is shifted, like flying becomes the much less measurable world peace. So we have claims about mental development and how the growth of consciousness expands and since that is the container of knowledge our knowledge is somehow improved. (exactly how it does is not spelled out.) In the end you have
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I believe that a lot of this sense of fulfillment in our lives is tied to our age. I have read studies about how satisfaction and happiness in life increases with age and I have certainly found that to be true. I have also gotten way better at what to focus on and what to ignore to keep my head on straight. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, driving back from lunch, I found myself wondering if there is any connection between this life force and knowledge and consciousness. It's been such an interesting experience for me because, evidence to the contrary here, since feeling so connected to life force, I definitely am less analytical. At the same time, there seems to be a knowingness guiding my speech and actions and choices. But it is not a left brain situation at all. It seems to be more whole body if that makes sense. And consciousness itself feels more embodied. During the drive I concluded that there are so many ways that people can get to this place of knowingness that's whole body. Like you with your music. Some, including me, find it in nature. Anyway, thanks for the exchange. I can relate to that, well said. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, what I'm experiencing these days is that feeling good has taken on a new meaning. It might not be comfy or cozy, but it's very alive, very in the moment. As that takes over, something else is guiding my actions. And it's definitely not the urge to just feel good. Hey, I think it's just life force...maybe what Maharishi called dharma. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Thanks for keeping the topic going and now expanding it into another area. It is another interest of mine. One of the questions I have about meditaton and the pleasure states they invoke is whether or not it subverts the natural reward system our brains have for achieving something like drugs do. So if you can feel the same way without the hassle of having a baby, why not? Or how about getting the feeling I get when I have a great show without ever leaving the house? This is why I am dubious about drug highs as well as meditation highs. I used to be so addicted to the feelings I got in program and now I am chasing the same good feeling through my artistic life and teaching. I know what works for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, what grabbed my attention the most was your comment about knowledge and nice internal feeling. Don't know why this comes to mind, but here it is: some women report having a REALLY nice internal feeling when their newborn is placed in their arms for the first time. Probably the result of a heck of a lot of oxytocin being released! But they also report feeling a most profound love. And I think love is the result of the deepest knowledge of anyone or anything. And I think that has the greatest value for human life, the living of that. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs I think you are right if we look at the source of the quote. He is interpreting a Rig Vedic verse that says that the gods reside in heaven. Richo akshare parame veyomon. (It has been decades but I think that is how you spell it!) So at its loftiest level in his system he interprets this to mean that the hymns of the Veda are in the absolute which is the religious idea that despite historical evidence to the contrary, the Vedas came along with Man. (And like Christianity's creation myth, fails to account for the 250 million year reign of the dinosaurs!) So he took this religious assertion from his holy books and tried to put it into terms that might sell in the modern world to people who were not Hindu believers. The rest of the connection with how the movement uses this is all Maharishi and is a long way from the phrase itself. He uses it as a selling point to say that his trademarke meditation gives you a special state of mind where your knowledge (understanding and experience by his definition) is perfect or complete or any other one of the superlatives he applied to it like supreme knowledge. It is essentially a religious concept that he tried to make folksy for us to relate to. The intro lecture completes this descending into our common life with claims about how it gives us our full mental potential using the now discredited idea that we only use 10% of our brains and that with TM we will use the rest of it. So we are left to interpret it for ourselves how we personally relate to it all. I think there is a bit of dodging
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From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Barrowd, Please re-read and note that I used the word if. Having done so, I did not need to shore up any cred for Gordon --- saved by the if, ya see? Meanwhile, your claim would not change my life in any way seems to be so obviously in-human that I would ask you to reconsider the statement. Not gonna happen. I stand on what I said before. Now, I shouldn't be surprised that you said this, because you say you saw levitation, and frankly, I would equate levitating to alien landing in how strongly human-mindset-impacting either would be if the world was given all the proofs necessary to KNOW instead of believe. And there you are saying you saw it and, so I guess, you're saying that that experience didn't do all that much of anything to you, so probably aliens wouldn't change your world either. What you're missing is having lived with seeing this for 14 years and watching as other people saw it, admitted having seen it and even raved about seeing it, but then a few days later claimed that they'd never seen it. Human beings have an investment in the status quo that can override ANYTHING. Have I got your reasoning here? Something like that? Did you actually KNOW that levitation was taking place, or did you say, There's a 1% chance this is some sort of staged illusion. Even the slightest doubt would be -- to me -- why levitation didn't shake your world at the time. If there were zero doubts and yet still your world was not rocked, then, okay, I got no explanation for why your nervous system didn't act normally. There was no doubt, and no need for it. It happened and in circumstances (like in a booth in Dennys) where no setup was possible. What it was that happened may still elude me, but it happened. What you don't get is that my nervous system treated this as normal BECAUSE IT WAS NORMAL. I saw this shit at least a couple a times a month for 14 years. After the first rush, it's pretty ho-hum stuff. But here's what I think REAL HUMANS would do if aliens landed: 1. Obsess. Think how easily great hunks of various populations can be shifted into a mindset. 1/3 of America was roused by the word ebola enough to have, say, dozens of thoughts per day about what it meant to their lives. And the other 2/3rds who were immune to the mental stampede yet still had to have had thoughts about ebola's characteristics just in order to be on top of the issue. None of the people I'd be interested in knowing or interfacing with would obsess. That would free me to deal with people with stronger minds. :-) See? If aliens land on the White House lawn, are you kidding me, Barry? The sheer amount of media tonnage would make you, force you, absolutely cram you with everyone's opinions about the event. There is zero way your nervous system could avoid the prongs, the triggerings and conclusions of everyone else, and perforce, you'd be a victim of a flood of thoughts about the aliens. Uh, Edg. You know that little button that is usually in the upper right or left of your computer or TV, the one that says, OFF. It's possible to push it. :-) And flood of thoughts means IT CHANGES YOU. No, it changes YOU. *I* don't react to everyone around me thinking about a certain subject by having streams of obsessive thoughts about the same subject. YOU DO. From my point of view, only people with weak minds and no self control and no ability to practice mindfulness do that. No way you could avoid, say, having a thought about aliens EVERY FIVE MINUTES. It would be the first issue of everyone upon awakening in the morning. You clearly have never practiced mindfulness. 2. Question. There'd be no human agenda that was not obviously impacted. From wars all the way down to do-I-ask-her-to-marry-me would be revised in light of a landing. One word: WHY? What does what these little bug-eyed monsters think about anything MATTER? Why should their presence or non-presence inspire/threaten humans to do anything different than they ever have, unless the aliens actually did threaten them, and had the ability to follow through. I doubt seriously if there would be even one fewer war. If aliens land, I don't ask if I should marry, I ask if there will be a world tomorrow in which one might then marry. If aliens lands, I don't just keep bombing another county without asking, Hmm, do the aliens have tech that could stomp us and what would they think about our warfare? We must agree to disagree. And so forth for all agendas. Some agendas especially, but all agendas at least to some degree. 3. Doubt. Virtually every value would be re-examined in light of the landing. Am I my brother's keeper? Does God exist? What's the meaning of life? -- all these issues are now followed
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I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. You've merely tried to smack me around, as usual, with axiomless assertions. Do you ever play fair in a conversation? I'll leave it, as usual, for the rest of the crew here to decide if you're just being a prick or have any traction at all in the what would happen speculations. I get into it here with various parties, but almost always, I find a foul dis-ingenuity afoot..making closure or conclusion impossible. Smarm and snark are embraced while honesty is considered naive. I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. And if aliens land and you say even a single word about them, I'll make it my mission in life to find you and smack a pie on that silly ass smirk into which your face is frozen. Still reading? Can't get enough abuse? Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness? Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Barrowd, Please re-read and note that I used the word if. Having done so, I did not need to shore up any cred for Gordon --- saved by the if, ya see? Meanwhile, your claim would not change my life in any way seems to be so obviously in-human that I would ask you to reconsider the statement. Not gonna happen. I stand on what I said before. Now, I shouldn't be surprised that you said this, because you say you saw levitation, and frankly, I would equate levitating to alien landing in how strongly human-mindset-impacting either would be if the world was given all the proofs necessary to KNOW instead of believe. And there you are saying you saw it and, so I guess, you're saying that that experience didn't do all that much of anything to you, so probably aliens wouldn't change your world either. What you're missing is having lived with seeing this for 14 years and watching as other people saw it, admitted having seen it and even raved about seeing it, but then a few days later claimed that they'd never seen it. Human beings have an investment in the status quo that can override ANYTHING. Have I got your reasoning here? Something like that? Did you actually KNOW that levitation was taking place, or did you say, There's a 1% chance this is some sort of staged illusion. Even the slightest doubt would be -- to me -- why levitation didn't shake your world at the time. If there were zero doubts and yet still your world was not rocked, then, okay, I got no explanation for why your nervous system didn't act normally. There was no doubt, and no need for it. It happened and in circumstances (like in a booth in Dennys) where no setup was possible. What it was that happened may still elude me, but it happened. What you don't get is that my nervous system treated this as normal BECAUSE IT WAS NORMAL. I saw this shit at least a couple a times a month for 14 years. After the first rush, it's pretty ho-hum stuff. But here's what I think REAL HUMANS would do if aliens landed: 1. Obsess. Think how easily great hunks of various populations can be shifted into a mindset. 1/3 of America was roused by the word ebola enough to have, say, dozens of thoughts per day about what it meant to their lives. And the other 2/3rds who were immune to the mental stampede yet still had to have had thoughts about ebola's characteristics just in order to be on top of the issue. None of the people I'd be interested in knowing or interfacing with would obsess. That would free me to deal with people with stronger minds. :-) See? If aliens land on the White House lawn, are you kidding me, Barry? The sheer amount of media tonnage would make you, force you, absolutely cram you with everyone's opinions about the event. There is zero way your nervous system could avoid the prongs, the triggerings and conclusions of everyone else, and perforce, you'd be a victim of a flood of thoughts about the aliens. Uh, Edg. You know that little button that is usually in the upper right or left of your computer or TV
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5. Crazy shit. There would be no end to the crazy shit. You're right. I'd bet there would be an increase in mental illness if we did contact aliens. As any advanced civilization capable of monitoring us would be aware of our fragile psyches I think it is likely that that is why they haven't introduced themselves. They're waiting for us to fully mature. I suppose it's not completely beyond the bounds of the possible that UFO sightings and crop circles could be their way of gently getting us used to the idea that we're not alone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. You've merely tried to smack me around, as usual, with axiomless assertions. Do you ever play fair in a conversation? I'll leave it, as usual, for the rest of the crew here to decide if you're just being a prick or have any traction at all in the what would happen speculations. I get into it here with various parties, but almost always, I find a foul dis-ingenuity afoot..making closure or conclusion impossible. Smarm and snark are embraced while honesty is considered naive. I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. And if aliens land and you say even a single word about them, I'll make it my mission in life to find you and smack a pie on that silly ass smirk into which your face is frozen. Still reading? Can't get enough abuse? Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness? Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Barrowd, Please re-read and note that I used the word if. Having done so, I did not need to shore up any cred for Gordon --- saved by the if, ya see? Meanwhile, your claim would not change my life in any way seems to be so obviously in-human that I would ask you to reconsider the statement. Not gonna happen. I stand on what I said before. Now, I shouldn't be surprised that you said this, because you say you saw levitation, and frankly, I would equate levitating to alien landing in how strongly human-mindset-impacting either would be if the world was given all the proofs necessary to KNOW instead of believe. And there you are saying you saw it and, so I guess, you're saying that that experience didn't do all that much of anything to you, so probably aliens wouldn't change your world either. What you're missing is having lived with seeing this for 14 years and watching as other people saw it, admitted having seen it and even raved about seeing it, but then a few days later claimed that they'd never seen it. Human beings have an investment in the status quo that can override ANYTHING. Have I got your reasoning here? Something like that? Did you actually KNOW that levitation was taking place, or did you say, There's a 1% chance this is some sort of staged illusion. Even the slightest doubt would be -- to me -- why levitation didn't shake your world at the time. If there were zero doubts and yet still your world was not rocked, then, okay, I got no explanation for why your nervous system didn't act normally. There was no doubt, and no need for it. It happened and in circumstances (like in a booth in Dennys) where no setup was possible. What it was that happened may still elude me, but it happened. What you don't get is that my nervous system treated this as normal BECAUSE IT WAS NORMAL. I saw this shit at least a couple a times a month for 14 years. After the first rush, it's pretty ho-hum stuff. But here's what I think REAL HUMANS would do if aliens landed: 1. Obsess. Think how easily great hunks of various populations can be shifted into a mindset. 1/3 of America was roused by the word ebola enough to have, say, dozens of thoughts per day about what it meant to their lives. And the other 2/3rds who were immune to the mental stampede yet still had to have had thoughts about ebola's characteristics just in order to be on top of the issue. None of the people I'd
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From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. I can't believe you think I have any interest in having a conversation with you.
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I suppose it's not completely beyond the bounds of the possible that UFO sightings and crop circles could be their way of gently getting us used to the idea that we're not alone. That's right, they are not in a hurry. If they had landed on the lawn of the White House or created a Crop Circle carved in stone at Piccadilly Circus many would go into shock (not Sal obviously, he would find some Scientific explanation even if only he had heard of it). Basically they choose when they want to be seen as they at will are able to switch into frequenzies making them invisible to most people. They have definately step uped their appearences here and sightings are now in the thousands this year, but according to Mr. Benjamin Creme mass showing by our Space Brothers is not in the cards anytime soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : 5. Crazy shit. There would be no end to the crazy shit. I suppose it's not completely beyond the bounds of the possible that UFO sightings and crop circles could be their way of gently getting us used to the idea that we're not alone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. You've merely tried to smack me around, as usual, with axiomless assertions. Do you ever play fair in a conversation? I'll leave it, as usual, for the rest of the crew here to decide if you're just being a prick or have any traction at all in the what would happen speculations. I get into it here with various parties, but almost always, I find a foul dis-ingenuity afoot..making closure or conclusion impossible. Smarm and snark are embraced while honesty is considered naive. I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. And if aliens land and you say even a single word about them, I'll make it my mission in life to find you and smack a pie on that silly ass smirk into which your face is frozen. Still reading? Can't get enough abuse? Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness? Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Barrowd, Please re-read and note that I used the word if. Having done so, I did not need to shore up any cred for Gordon --- saved by the if, ya see? Meanwhile, your claim would not change my life in any way seems to be so obviously in-human that I would ask you to reconsider the statement. Not gonna happen. I stand on what I said before. Now, I shouldn't be surprised that you said this, because you say you saw levitation, and frankly, I would equate levitating to alien landing in how strongly human-mindset-impacting either would be if the world was given all the proofs necessary to KNOW instead of believe. And there you are saying you saw it and, so I guess, you're saying that that experience didn't do all that much of anything to you, so probably aliens wouldn't change your world either. What you're missing is having lived with seeing this for 14 years and watching as other people saw it, admitted having seen it and even raved about seeing it, but then a few days later claimed that they'd never seen it. Human beings have an investment in the status quo that can override ANYTHING. Have I got your reasoning here? Something like that? Did you actually KNOW that levitation was taking place, or did you say, There's a 1% chance this is some sort of staged illusion. Even the slightest doubt would be -- to me -- why levitation didn't shake your world at the time. If there were zero doubts and yet still your world was not rocked, then, okay, I got no explanation for why your nervous system didn't act normally. There was no doubt, and no need for it. It happened and in circumstances (like in a booth in Dennys) where no setup was possible. What it was that happened may still elude me, but it happened. What you don't get is that my nervous system treated this as normal BECAUSE IT WAS NORMAL. I saw this shit at least a couple
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
Seriously, dude. Your idea of a conversation, based on these last couple of
posts, seems to be shouting, YOU'RE WRONG, BECAUSE I SAY SO, AND I'M RIGHT.
Not my idea of what conversation is about.
I *get* it that the sudden appearance of aliens would freak you right out and
leave you obsessing your ass off. Where you're off is in assuming that everyone
is as weak and obsessive as you are, and would react the way you would.
I don't think it would happen. I think it would be a big deal for a small
percentage of the population, for a few years, and then people would get used
to it (just as we Rama students got used to seeing Fred disappear and float
around in the air) and soon nobody would think any more of a little green man
walking down the sidewalk than they do of someone in a foreign costume walking
down the sidewalk today.
That is my honest opinion, based on having been there to watch what happens
when people spend time around the supposedly miraculous. It stays miraculous
for about a month. Then people get over it, and back to their lives. I honestly
believe that's what would happen if aliens arrived.
You yelling, YOU CAN'T *REALLY* BELIEVE THAT, BECAUSE *I* COULDN'T POSSIBLY
BELIEVE THAT is not terribly intelligent, and is not going to make me feel
like discussing anything with you. It's just being a dick.
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com
I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this
conversation worthwhile.
I can't believe you think I have any interest in having a conversation with
you.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : 5. Crazy shit. There would be no end to the crazy shit. You're right. I'd bet there would be an increase in mental illness if we did contact aliens. As any advanced civilization capable of monitoring us would be aware of our fragile psyches I think it is likely that that is why they haven't introduced themselves. They're waiting for us to fully mature. I suppose it's not completely beyond the bounds of the possible that UFO sightings and crop circles could be their way of gently getting us used to the idea that we're not alone. That idea gets seriously proposed a lot. I always think it's a bit of a hopeful way of keeping up interest in what has turned out to be a bad explanation for crop stomping and spy planes. But we can live in hope... Did you know we received a message from the stars in 1977? On the day Elvis died (no connection I should think) a signal was picked up that exactly matched what we expected an alien civilisation would send, right frequency and modulated. But it was never repeated and so can't be claimed as scientific evidence of anything. It remains an enigma and always will, unless we hear it again... Wow! signal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal Wow! signal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal The Wow! signal was a strong narrowband radio signal detected by Jerry R. Ehman on August 15, 1977, while he was working on a SETI project at the Big Ear radio t... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. You've merely tried to smack me around, as usual, with axiomless assertions. Do you ever play fair in a conversation? I'll leave it, as usual, for the rest of the crew here to decide if you're just being a prick or have any traction at all in the what would happen speculations. I get into it here with various parties, but almost always, I find a foul dis-ingenuity afoot..making closure or conclusion impossible. Smarm and snark are embraced while honesty is considered naive. I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. And if aliens land and you say even a single word about them, I'll make it my mission in life to find you and smack a pie on that silly ass smirk into which your face is frozen. Still reading? Can't get enough abuse? Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness? Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Barrowd, Please re-read and note that I used the word if. Having done so, I did not need to shore up any cred for Gordon --- saved by the if, ya see? Meanwhile, your claim would not change my life in any way seems to be so obviously in-human that I would ask you to reconsider the statement. Not gonna happen. I stand on what I said before. Now, I shouldn't be surprised that you said this, because you say you saw levitation, and frankly, I would equate levitating to alien landing in how strongly human-mindset-impacting either would be if the world was given all the proofs necessary to KNOW instead of believe. And there you are saying you saw it and, so I guess, you're saying that that experience didn't do all that much of anything to you, so probably aliens wouldn't change your world either. What you're missing is having lived with seeing this for 14 years and watching as other people saw it, admitted having seen it and even raved about seeing it, but then a few days later claimed that they'd never seen it. Human beings have an investment in the status quo that can override ANYTHING. Have I got your reasoning here? Something like that? Did you actually KNOW that levitation was taking place, or did you say, There's a 1% chance
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I suppose it's not completely beyond the bounds of the possible that UFO sightings and crop circles could be their way of gently getting us used to the idea that we're not alone. That's right, they are not in a hurry. If they had landed on the lawn of the White House or created a Crop Circle carved in stone at Piccadilly Circus many would go into shock (not Sal obviously, he would find some Scientific explanation even if only he had heard of it). Basically they choose when they want to be seen as they at will are able to switch into frequenzies making them invisible to most people. They have definately step uped their appearences here and sightings are now in the thousands this year, but according to Mr. Benjamin Creme mass showing by our Space Brothers is not in the cards anytime soon. Nope, there's no end to the crazy shit. I wonder what the aliens would say if they landed and the first question anyone asked was How do you do crop circles in the dark? They'd get straight back on their ships and take off. I do like the idea of a stone circle carved in Piccadilly circus, that sounds a bit harder than pushing a plastic garden roller round a field. And more convincing to us sceptics because it's difficult and might take a technology we don't currently have. That's what is lacking crop circles which is why they are so easy to explain. So why don't the Space Brothers do a stone carving in London rather than creep around fields in the west country at 2am? If they want us to take them seriously ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : 5. Crazy shit. There would be no end to the crazy shit. I suppose it's not completely beyond the bounds of the possible that UFO sightings and crop circles could be their way of gently getting us used to the idea that we're not alone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. You've merely tried to smack me around, as usual, with axiomless assertions. Do you ever play fair in a conversation? I'll leave it, as usual, for the rest of the crew here to decide if you're just being a prick or have any traction at all in the what would happen speculations. I get into it here with various parties, but almost always, I find a foul dis-ingenuity afoot..making closure or conclusion impossible. Smarm and snark are embraced while honesty is considered naive. I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. And if aliens land and you say even a single word about them, I'll make it my mission in life to find you and smack a pie on that silly ass smirk into which your face is frozen. Still reading? Can't get enough abuse? Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness? Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Barrowd, Please re-read and note that I used the word if. Having done so, I did not need to shore up any cred for Gordon --- saved by the if, ya see? Meanwhile, your claim would not change my life in any way seems to be so obviously in-human that I would ask you to reconsider the statement. Not gonna happen. I stand on what I said before. Now, I shouldn't be surprised that you said this, because you say you saw levitation, and frankly, I would equate levitating to alien landing in how strongly human-mindset-impacting either would be if the world was given all the proofs necessary to KNOW instead of believe. And there you are saying you saw it and, so I guess, you're saying that that experience didn't do all that much of anything to you, so probably aliens wouldn't change your world either. What you're missing is having lived with seeing this for 14 years and watching as other people saw it, admitted having seen it and even raved about seeing it, but then a few days later claimed that they'd never seen it. Human beings have
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
On 11/17/2014 1:48 PM, Duveyoung wrote: I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. It's a desperate call for attention, obviously. /Some tantric traditions are very hip to the exchange of energies between individuals, and also hip to the fact that someone who knows how can artificially add to their own kundalini or life energy by getting people to focus on them, and then sorta sucking the energy from that focused attention./ - TurquoiseB You've merely tried to smack me around, as usual, with axiomless assertions. Do you ever play fair in a conversation? I'll leave it, as usual, for the rest of the crew here to decide if you're just being a prick or have any traction at all in the what would happen speculations. I get into it here with various parties, but almost always, I find a foul dis-ingenuity afoot..making closure or conclusion impossible. Smarm and snark are embraced while honesty is considered naive. I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. And if aliens land and you say even a single word about them, I'll make it my mission in life to find you and smack a pie on that silly ass smirk into which your face is frozen. Still reading? Can't get enough abuse? Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness? Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
*From:* Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. On 11/17/2014 2:15 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */I can't believe you think I have any interest in having a conversation with you. /* These are the words of a True Believer: /Over the years, I saw him levitate, as in sitting in lotus and just lifting up off the chair and hovering there in midair for minutes at a time, sometimes telling a joke the whole time. Or in the desert, he'd just step up off the sand and onto a staircase that wasn't there, and just climb up and down it for a while, several feet above the ground./// - TurquoiseB http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg12287.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. You've merely tried to smack me around, as usual, with axiomless assertions. Do you ever play fair in a conversation? I'll leave it, as usual, for the rest of the crew here to decide if you're just being a prick or have any traction at all in the what would happen speculations. I get into it here with various parties, but almost always, I find a foul dis-ingenuity afoot..making closure or conclusion impossible. Smarm and snark are embraced while honesty is considered naive. I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. And if aliens land and you say even a single word about them, I'll make it my mission in life to find you and smack a pie on that silly ass smirk into which your face is frozen. Still reading? Can't get enough abuse? Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness? Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading? You betcha I'm reading, Edg. Christ man, I love it when you're mad. You've just shot the bastard down in flames. You've fucking made my day. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Barrowd, Please re-read and note that I used the word if. Having done so, I did not need to shore up any cred for Gordon --- saved by the if, ya see? Meanwhile, your claim would not change my life in any way seems to be so obviously in-human that I would ask you to reconsider the statement. Not gonna happen. I stand on what I said before. Now, I shouldn't be surprised that you said this, because you say you saw levitation, and frankly, I would equate levitating to alien landing in how strongly human-mindset-impacting either would be if the world was given all the proofs necessary to KNOW instead of believe. And there you are saying you saw it and, so I guess, you're saying that that experience didn't do all that much of anything to you, so probably aliens wouldn't change your world either. What you're missing is having lived with seeing this for 14 years and watching as other people saw it, admitted having seen it and even raved about seeing it, but then a few days later claimed that they'd never seen it. Human beings have an investment in the status quo that can override ANYTHING. Have I got your reasoning here? Something like that? Did you actually KNOW that levitation was taking place, or did you say, There's a 1% chance this is some sort of staged illusion. Even the slightest doubt would be -- to me -- why levitation didn't shake your world at the time. If there were zero doubts and yet still your world was not rocked, then, okay, I got no explanation for why your nervous system didn't act normally. There was no doubt, and no need for it. It happened and in circumstances (like in a booth in Dennys) where no setup was possible. What it was that happened may still elude me, but it happened. What you don't get is that my nervous system treated this as normal BECAUSE IT WAS NORMAL. I saw this shit at least a couple a times a month for 14 years. After the first rush, it's pretty ho-hum stuff. But here's what I think REAL HUMANS would do if aliens landed: 1. Obsess. Think how easily great hunks of various populations can be shifted into a mindset. 1/3 of America was roused by the word ebola enough to have, say, dozens of thoughts per day about what it meant to their lives. And the other 2/3rds who were immune to the mental stampede yet still had to have had thoughts about ebola's characteristics just in order to be on top of the issue. None of the people I'd be interested in knowing or interfacing with would obsess. That would free me to deal with people with stronger minds. :-) See? If aliens land on the White House lawn, are you kidding me, Barry? The sheer amount of media tonnage would make you, force you, absolutely cram you with everyone's opinions about the event. There is zero way your nervous system could avoid the prongs, the triggerings
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : I believe that a lot of this sense of fulfillment in our lives is tied to our age. I have read studies about how satisfaction and happiness in life increases with age and I have certainly found that to be true. I have also gotten way better at what to focus on and what to ignore to keep my head on straight. I might have to agree with most of this. I think with age can come a mellowing, but not an apathetic I'm-almost-dead mellowing, but a sense of gratitude for all that life can throw at us and to discover that we're still breathing. And when that happens we appreciate more, take in more and love more. At least for me this is true. Keeping one's head on straight is no small feat. It takes knowing what to pay attention to and what to keep walking on by without a backward glance.
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The bottom line is that Barry has failed to post a single PROOF that he witnessed any levitation events - they are all just reports of his subjective experience based on his feeble memory of 40 years ago when he was stoned out of his gourd and - any comments are merely his opinions designed to impress chat-room yakkers. There's probably at least one guy like this on every discussion group on the internet. Monkeys are flying out of his butt. Science doesn't support (no pun intended) human levitation - suspension in mid-air with no visible means of support. Everyone already knows that making claims of this sort on social media is /just a dick waving ego game./ The funny thing about this subject is the number of informants Barry had cowered into accepting his tall tales without question. Go figure./ I've experienced enlightenment many times. In my case, these were fleeting experiences, and they come and go, and furthermore, BFD. These experiences were very real to me, and I am comfortable with talking about them as if they were real. - /TurquoiseB/ /http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html/ / On 11/17/2014 2:32 PM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Seriously, dude. Your idea of a conversation, based on these last couple of posts, seems to be shouting, YOU'RE WRONG, BECAUSE I SAY SO, AND I'M RIGHT. Not my idea of what conversation is about. /* */ /* */I *get* it that the sudden appearance of aliens would freak you right out and leave you obsessing your ass off. Where you're off is in assuming that everyone is as weak and obsessive as you are, and would react the way you would. /* */ /* */I don't think it would happen. I think it would be a big deal for a small percentage of the population, for a few years, and then people would get used to it (just as we Rama students got used to seeing Fred disappear and float around in the air) and soon nobody would think any more of a little green man walking down the sidewalk than they do of someone in a foreign costume walking down the sidewalk today. /* */ /* */That is my honest opinion, based on having been there to watch what happens when people spend time around the supposedly miraculous. It stays miraculous for about a month. Then people get over it, and back to their lives. I honestly believe that's what would happen if aliens arrived. /* */ /* */You yelling, YOU CAN'T *REALLY* BELIEVE THAT, BECAUSE *I* COULDN'T POSSIBLY BELIEVE THAT is not terribly intelligent, and is not going to make me feel like discussing anything with you. It's just being a dick. /*
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It seems Barry has the caricature of aliens being little green men. I guess that fits in his comfort zone. I'm not sure that's how it would play out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Barrowd, Please re-read and note that I used the word if. Having done so, I did not need to shore up any cred for Gordon --- saved by the if, ya see? Meanwhile, your claim would not change my life in any way seems to be so obviously in-human that I would ask you to reconsider the statement. Not gonna happen. I stand on what I said before. Now, I shouldn't be surprised that you said this, because you say you saw levitation, and frankly, I would equate levitating to alien landing in how strongly human-mindset-impacting either would be if the world was given all the proofs necessary to KNOW instead of believe. And there you are saying you saw it and, so I guess, you're saying that that experience didn't do all that much of anything to you, so probably aliens wouldn't change your world either. What you're missing is having lived with seeing this for 14 years and watching as other people saw it, admitted having seen it and even raved about seeing it, but then a few days later claimed that they'd never seen it. Human beings have an investment in the status quo that can override ANYTHING. Have I got your reasoning here? Something like that? Did you actually KNOW that levitation was taking place, or did you say, There's a 1% chance this is some sort of staged illusion. Even the slightest doubt would be -- to me -- why levitation didn't shake your world at the time. If there were zero doubts and yet still your world was not rocked, then, okay, I got no explanation for why your nervous system didn't act normally. There was no doubt, and no need for it. It happened and in circumstances (like in a booth in Dennys) where no setup was possible. What it was that happened may still elude me, but it happened. What you don't get is that my nervous system treated this as normal BECAUSE IT WAS NORMAL. I saw this shit at least a couple a times a month for 14 years. After the first rush, it's pretty ho-hum stuff. But here's what I think REAL HUMANS would do if aliens landed: 1. Obsess. Think how easily great hunks of various populations can be shifted into a mindset. 1/3 of America was roused by the word ebola enough to have, say, dozens of thoughts per day about what it meant to their lives. And the other 2/3rds who were immune to the mental stampede yet still had to have had thoughts about ebola's characteristics just in order to be on top of the issue. None of the people I'd be interested in knowing or interfacing with would obsess. That would free me to deal with people with stronger minds. :-) See? If aliens land on the White House lawn, are you kidding me, Barry? The sheer amount of media tonnage would make you, force you, absolutely cram you with everyone's opinions about the event. There is zero way your nervous system could avoid the prongs, the triggerings and conclusions of everyone else, and perforce, you'd be a victim of a flood of thoughts about the aliens. Uh, Edg. You know that little button that is usually in the upper right or left of your computer or TV, the one that says, OFF. It's possible to push it. :-) And flood of thoughts means IT CHANGES YOU. No, it changes YOU. *I* don't react to everyone around me thinking about a certain subject by having streams of obsessive thoughts about the same subject. YOU DO. From my point of view, only people with weak minds and no self control and no ability to practice mindfulness do that. No way you could avoid, say, having a thought about aliens EVERY FIVE MINUTES. It would be the first issue of everyone upon awakening in the morning. You clearly have never practiced mindfulness. 2. Question. There'd be no human agenda that was not obviously impacted. From wars all the way down to do-I-ask-her-to-marry-me would be revised in light of a landing. One word: WHY? What does what these little bug-eyed monsters think about anything MATTER? Why should their presence or non-presence inspire/threaten humans to do anything different than they ever have, unless the aliens actually did threaten them, and had the ability to follow through. I doubt seriously if there would be even one fewer war. If aliens land, I don't ask if I should marry, I ask if there will be a world tomorrow in which one might then marry. If aliens lands, I don't just keep bombing another county without asking, Hmm, do the aliens have tech that could stomp us and what would they think about our warfare? We must agree
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ahhh, yes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Barrowd, Please re-read and note that I used the word if. Having done so, I did not need to shore up any cred for Gordon --- saved by the if, ya see? Meanwhile, your claim would not change my life in any way seems to be so obviously in-human that I would ask you to reconsider the statement. Not gonna happen. I stand on what I said before. Now, I shouldn't be surprised that you said this, because you say you saw levitation, and frankly, I would equate levitating to alien landing in how strongly human-mindset-impacting either would be if the world was given all the proofs necessary to KNOW instead of believe. And there you are saying you saw it and, so I guess, you're saying that that experience didn't do all that much of anything to you, so probably aliens wouldn't change your world either. What you're missing is having lived with seeing this for 14 years and watching as other people saw it, admitted having seen it and even raved about seeing it, but then a few days later claimed that they'd never seen it. Human beings have an investment in the status quo that can override ANYTHING. Have I got your reasoning here? Something like that? Did you actually KNOW that levitation was taking place, or did you say, There's a 1% chance this is some sort of staged illusion. Even the slightest doubt would be -- to me -- why levitation didn't shake your world at the time. If there were zero doubts and yet still your world was not rocked, then, okay, I got no explanation for why your nervous system didn't act normally. There was no doubt, and no need for it. It happened and in circumstances (like in a booth in Dennys) where no setup was possible. What it was that happened may still elude me, but it happened. What you don't get is that my nervous system treated this as normal BECAUSE IT WAS NORMAL. I saw this shit at least a couple a times a month for 14 years. After the first rush, it's pretty ho-hum stuff. But here's what I think REAL HUMANS would do if aliens landed: 1. Obsess. Think how easily great hunks of various populations can be shifted into a mindset. 1/3 of America was roused by the word ebola enough to have, say, dozens of thoughts per day about what it meant to their lives. And the other 2/3rds who were immune to the mental stampede yet still had to have had thoughts about ebola's characteristics just in order to be on top of the issue. None of the people I'd be interested in knowing or interfacing with would obsess. That would free me to deal with people with stronger minds. :-) See? If aliens land on the White House lawn, are you kidding me, Barry? The sheer amount of media tonnage would make you, force you, absolutely cram you with everyone's opinions about the event. There is zero way your nervous system could avoid the prongs, the triggerings and conclusions of everyone else, and perforce, you'd be a victim of a flood of thoughts about the aliens. Uh, Edg. You know that little button that is usually in the upper right or left of your computer or TV, the one that says, OFF. It's possible to push it. :-) And flood of thoughts means IT CHANGES YOU. No, it changes YOU. *I* don't react to everyone around me thinking about a certain subject by having streams of obsessive thoughts about the same subject. YOU DO. From my point of view, only people with weak minds and no self control and no ability to practice mindfulness do that. No way you could avoid, say, having a thought about aliens EVERY FIVE MINUTES. It would be the first issue of everyone upon awakening in the morning. You clearly have never practiced mindfulness. 2. Question. There'd be no human agenda that was not obviously impacted. From wars all the way down to do-I-ask-her-to-marry-me would be revised in light of a landing. One word: WHY? What does what these little bug-eyed monsters think about anything MATTER? Why should their presence or non-presence inspire/threaten humans to do anything different than they ever have, unless the aliens actually did threaten them, and had the ability to follow through. I doubt seriously if there would be even one fewer war. If aliens land, I don't ask if I should marry, I ask if there will be a world tomorrow in which one might then marry. If aliens lands, I don't just keep bombing another county without asking, Hmm, do the aliens have tech that could stomp us and what would they think about our warfare? We must
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ahhh, yes. An unconscious cry for help? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness?
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I think you're on the right track here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : 5. Crazy shit. There would be no end to the crazy shit. You're right. I'd bet there would be an increase in mental illness if we did contact aliens. As any advanced civilization capable of monitoring us would be aware of our fragile psyches I think it is likely that that is why they haven't introduced themselves. They're waiting for us to fully mature. I suppose it's not completely beyond the bounds of the possible that UFO sightings and crop circles could be their way of gently getting us used to the idea that we're not alone. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. You've merely tried to smack me around, as usual, with axiomless assertions. Do you ever play fair in a conversation? I'll leave it, as usual, for the rest of the crew here to decide if you're just being a prick or have any traction at all in the what would happen speculations. I get into it here with various parties, but almost always, I find a foul dis-ingenuity afoot..making closure or conclusion impossible. Smarm and snark are embraced while honesty is considered naive. I sincerely think that you don't care about clarity. Just a fucking troll, are ya? It's like you're a rat caught by one leg in a trap -- scared, small and prepared for your last actions to be vicious despite the obvious doom. And god damn it I've tried again and again to start afresh with new topics with you, but you just keep putting look at the putz Edg as your trump card. You're about as bad as Willy, ya know? Gotta look at that, bub. You're shooting from the hip most of the time to prop up a persona -- gotta get tiring I'da thought, but you seem to have endless energy for indulging in stupid flailing. And if aliens land and you say even a single word about them, I'll make it my mission in life to find you and smack a pie on that silly ass smirk into which your face is frozen. Still reading? Can't get enough abuse? Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness? Even when you attack Nabs or Willy, you're off base and unconvincing. Still reading? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Barrowd, Please re-read and note that I used the word if. Having done so, I did not need to shore up any cred for Gordon --- saved by the if, ya see? Meanwhile, your claim would not change my life in any way seems to be so obviously in-human that I would ask you to reconsider the statement. Not gonna happen. I stand on what I said before. Now, I shouldn't be surprised that you said this, because you say you saw levitation, and frankly, I would equate levitating to alien landing in how strongly human-mindset-impacting either would be if the world was given all the proofs necessary to KNOW instead of believe. And there you are saying you saw it and, so I guess, you're saying that that experience didn't do all that much of anything to you, so probably aliens wouldn't change your world either. What you're missing is having lived with seeing this for 14 years and watching as other people saw it, admitted having seen it and even raved about seeing it, but then a few days later claimed that they'd never seen it. Human beings have an investment in the status quo that can override ANYTHING. Have I got your reasoning here? Something like that? Did you actually KNOW that levitation was taking place, or did you say, There's a 1% chance this is some sort of staged illusion. Even the slightest doubt would be -- to me -- why levitation didn't shake your world at the time. If there were zero doubts and yet still your world was not rocked, then, okay, I got no explanation for why your nervous system didn't act normally. There was no doubt, and no need for it. It happened and in circumstances (like in a booth in Dennys) where no setup was possible. What it was that happened may still elude me, but it happened. What you don't get is that my nervous system treated this as normal BECAUSE IT WAS NORMAL. I saw this shit at least a couple a times a month for 14 years. After the first rush, it's pretty ho-hum stuff. But here's what I think REAL HUMANS would do if aliens landed: 1. Obsess. Think how easily great hunks of various populations can be shifted into a mindset. 1/3 of America was roused by the word ebola enough to have, say, dozens of thoughts per day about what it meant to their lives. And the other 2/3rds who were immune to the mental stampede yet still had to have had
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Barry, you had over 70 posts last week, on a forum you consider unworthyof your participation. And yes, I think many, or most of those posts revolve around telling us that we are unworthy of conversing with you. Can you explain again, how that works? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com I can't believe you think the below responses are hefty enough to make this conversation worthwhile. I can't believe you think I have any interest in having a conversation with you.
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I bet if we tried that shoe on, it would fit. But, I don't know if four white mice would turn into four white horses. Tis true that impossible things are happening everyday, but the curmudgeonaliness seems pretty embedded. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : ahhh, yes. An unconscious cry for help? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Is this the reason you troll, so that others will expose your brokenness?
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Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from serious researchers like Timothy Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham... I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about technology and promising us freedom from our destructive ways, yet always remaining remarkably evidence free. There's always
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Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, oneof these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one!Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to replyto Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just meanexplaining things away, to be convincing you have to show thatsomething more realistic happened, more credible and usingexplanations we already understand and are known to happen incertain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin,I love your last paragraph: folklore in action;techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As forme, I believe there is life somewhere else inthe vast universe. And I think they are morehighly advanced than us and maybe here with us.And I think it's great. Wecan believe what we like. I have no opinion onintelligent life elsewhere, we don't know thevariables that allow for it to develop. Wecould be unique or the universe could beteeming or maybe there's just one or two pergalaxy over it's entire history. But thechances of there being other humanoidsvisiting Earth at the just same time as we'veunderstood where we are cosmically? It beggarsbelief. Alien craft is the least likelyexplanation for UFO's. But I hope it'strue. But atthat point, I'm more like turq. It doesn'treally impact my life one way or the other.Either way, what is the action step? (-: Idon't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolvingmyth. We are apparently on the brink ofsomething called disclosure. We've been herebefore a few times as I recall, it neveramounts to much but it's fun watching the TB'sget excited that their favourite daydream isto be officially confirmed. Butit won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreyawon't appear. It's the way of things. Theconnection between the two is that people wantthere to be more, want there to be a reasonand for there to be salvation from a higherpower, whether it's alien or spiritual. We'retalking deep human needs here. From:salyavin808no_re...@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent:Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject:[FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it onthe table: UFOs ---infairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com,no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote : Saldoesn't like UFO's becausethey aren't scientific :-) It's an interestingpoint Nabs. The thing isone can only getscientific about somethingif it is available tostudy, UFO's are sofleeting and ephemeralthat there really isn'tanything to study otherthan hearsay orsuspiciously absent filmtaken by higher powers tokeep the whole thingsecret. But a great manypeople have studied whatthey can about UFOsightings, and done itwith as much rigour as youcan with such a paucity ofhard evidence. I'm notsure there is an encounterthat hasn't got a betterexplanation that doesn'tinvolve us
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Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-) I'll bet my Sunday lunch that the only reason Turq saw that comment by Willytex is because you commented on it. It's the only reason I saw it too. Man, I'd hate to spend so much time online and to discover I'd been so ineffective for so many years... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-) I'll bet my Sunday lunch that the only reason Turq saw that comment by Willytex is because you commented on it. Your Sunday lunch is safe. I haven't read a post made by Richard Williams in months. Life is too short to waste it on psychotics. I still read Nabby's posts because he's merely an entertainingly neurotic blissninny, and occasionally I need a laugh. :-) It's the only reason I saw it too. Man, I'd hate to spend so much time online and to discover I'd been so ineffective for so many years... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, oneof these days he'll even retract his extremely sillyjudgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one!Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to replyto Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just meanexplaining things away, to be convincing you have to show thatsomething more realistic happened, more credible and usingexplanations we already understand and are known to happen incertain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin,I love your last paragraph: folklore in action;techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As forme, I believe there is life somewhere else inthe vast universe. And I think they are morehighly advanced than us and maybe here with us.And I think it's great. Wecan believe what we like. I have no opinion onintelligent life elsewhere, we don't know thevariables that allow for it to develop. Wecould be unique or the universe could beteeming or maybe there's just one or two pergalaxy over it's entire history. But thechances of there being other humanoidsvisiting Earth at the just same time as we'veunderstood where we are cosmically? It beggarsbelief. Alien craft is the least likelyexplanation for UFO's. But I hope it'strue. But atthat point, I'm more like turq. It doesn'treally impact my life one way or the other.Either way, what is the action step? (-: Idon't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolvingmyth. We are apparently on the brink ofsomething called disclosure. We've been herebefore a few times as I recall, it neveramounts to much but it's fun watching the TB'sget excited that their favourite daydream isto be officially confirmed. Butit won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreyawon't appear. It's the way of things. Theconnection between the two is that people wantthere to be more, want there to be a reasonand for there to be salvation from a higherpower, whether it's alien or spiritual. We'retalking deep human needs here. From:salyavin808no_re
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On 11/15/2014 3:25 PM, Share Long wrote: As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: /The idea that human beings are a slave race, forced to work inside a human body, owned and operated by an alien or extraterrestrial society, is not new. This was mentioned in the Sumerian and Judaic literature. If true, this impacts our life in every way, every single day: we in fact have no free will, we are all ///working on a fruit farm for nothing/. Our day off will be when we die. But even then, according to Barry, we will have to spend a few more days in the Tibetan Bardo, in order to be reborn on another farm. Read more: /*/Alien Agenda/*/ //by Jim Marrs // //Harper, 2000/ *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from serious researchers like Timothy Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham... I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about technology and promising us freedom from our destructive ways, yet always remaining remarkably evidence free. There's always a new vision to add to the mythos but conveniently never any hard evidence to help decide one way or the other. And the longer that scenario goes on the more convinced any casual observer should be that we are kidding ourselves, because deep down we like ghost stories and that's really what they are. Something scary always just out of reach. Techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 1080p HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI image https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI Edgar Dean Mitchell, Sc.D. is an American pilot, retired Captain in the United States Navy and NASA astronaut. As the lunar module pilot of Apollo 14, ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I didn't really read what sal has written below, but I think the gist of it is, that he doesn't like the person who coined the word flying saucer Is that what his dissertation is about this time? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There is not one astronaut who has NOT reported seeing UFO's, sometimes huge and in large nubers, back to NASA and/or their families. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Gordon is not crazy, then the American government is purposefully, mindfully, ABSOLUTELY evil. If there are aliens visiting us and we're not being told -- it robs every person on Earth. EVERY PERSON ON EARTH. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone ever could possibly be who we are now if we knew that UFOs are real. IT. WOULD. CHANGE. EVERYTHING. And that's why it might
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Richard, thanks for posting this. I didn't know that such ideas were found in some ancient literature. And if it is true about our being enslaved, etc. again my question is: what is the action step? And by action step I'm including thoughts and feelings. IOW, whether you are a slave or not, how do you choose right here and now, to think and feel? From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs On 11/15/2014 3:25 PM, Share Long wrote: As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: The idea that human beings are a slave race, forced to work inside a human body, owned and operated by an alien or extraterrestrial society, is not new. This was mentioned in the Sumerian and Judaic literature. If true, this impacts our life in every way, every single day: we in fact have no free will, we are all working on a fruit farm for nothing. Our day off will be when we die. But even then, according to Barry, we will have to spend a few more days in the Tibetan Bardo, in order to be reborn on another farm. Read more: Alien Agenda by Jim Marrs Harper, 2000 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from serious researchers like Timothy Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham... I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about technology and promising us freedom from our destructive ways, yet always remaining remarkably evidence free. There's always a new vision to add to the mythos but conveniently never any hard evidence to help decide one way or the other. And the longer that scenario goes on the more convinced any casual observer should be that we are kidding ourselves, because deep down we like ghost stories and that's really what they are. Something scary always just out of reach. Techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 1080p HD | | | | | | Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 ... Edgar Dean Mitchell, Sc.D. is an American pilot, retired Captain in the United States Navy and NASA astronaut. As the lunar module pilot of Apollo 14, ...| | | View on www.youtube.com|Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I didn't really read what sal has written below, but I think the gist of it is, that he doesn't like the person who coined the word flying saucer Is that what his dissertation is about this time? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There is not one astronaut who has NOT reported seeing UFO's, sometimes huge and in large nubers, back to NASA and/or their families. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote
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salyavin, aha indeed! Since you don't believe in God, instead of saying my usual about God's sense of humor, I'll ponder if the bacteria had/have a sense of humor (-: From you first and second paragraphs, I'm wondering if you're equatingexplanatory knowledge with being fully self aware. They seem like 2 things to me. Maybe a developmental neuroscientist could shed some light by studying the behavior of babies. Are they able to figure stuff out, like where the cookies are hidden, before they become aware of my toes and a me? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ah, Salyavin, deep human needs indeed! What do you think is the deepest one? To understand? To survive? Or is it about us at all? Must be to understand. Once all the basics are fulfilled anyway. Our brains seem designed to generate explanations about where we are what's going on, it's endless. Would love to know when it started, the ability to create explanatory knowledge is what sets us apart from our chimp cousins but as things like that don't fossilise it's difficult to say when it might have happened. All we have to go on is cave paintings or marks on sticks but they could be part of a long evolution of self awareness. I wonder what it was like to be only half self-aware? Impossible to know as the bit that does the imagining is the bit that wasn't there yetThere's a concept to ponder! I remember a post of yours a while back. Something about our being mere vehicles for the bacteria to evolve. I bet I'm remembering it inaccurately. Anyway, I can't resist saying that when you say enjoy the ride I think of Maharishi saying enjoy. (-: Yes, we are all descended from bacteria and the only reason we are here at all is because DNA is imperfect at copying itself and keeps making mistakes that change the outcomes of the copying and increasing complexity. Not as exciting a creation myth as some of the others people have come up with but they wouldn't be able to come up with them if it hadn't happened. Aha! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, aha indeed! Since you don't believe in God, instead of saying my usual about God's sense of humor, I'll ponder if the bacteria had/have a sense of humor (-: From you first and second paragraphs, I'm wondering if you're equatingexplanatory knowledge with being fully self aware. They seem like 2 things to me. Maybe a developmental neuroscientist could shed some light by studying the behavior of babies. Are they able to figure stuff out, like where the cookies are hidden, before they become aware of my toes and me? I use the term explanatory knowledge to mean that we are the only animals that come up with ideas to explain things like where they are and what's going on. A chimp might use a twig to tease ants out of a log but humans can sit and ponder where the ants came from and what they are made of. Once you get that capability the possibilities are endless, philosophy, cosmology, science etc. It ends up where we are today with knowledge of quasars at the edge of the universe and of the energies that makes atoms work and a steadily growing number of things inbetween. Not bad achievements really, especially considering the only difference between us and chimps is an abstract metaphorical language. How we acquired that is an interesting question, many theories there. I don't think babies figure abstract stuff out at all. Not until they learn to speak, up till then it's all instinctual responses, the baby whisperer makes a nice living out of conning people otherwise though! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ah, Salyavin, deep human needs indeed! What do you think is the deepest one? To understand? To survive? Or is it about us at all? Must be to understand. Once all the basics are fulfilled anyway. Our brains seem designed to generate explanations about where we are what's going on, it's endless. Would love to know when it started, the ability to create explanatory knowledge is what sets us apart from our chimp cousins but as things like that don't fossilise it's difficult to say when it might have happened. All we have to go on is cave paintings or marks on sticks but they could be part of a long evolution of self awareness. I wonder what it was like to be only half self-aware? Impossible to know as the bit that does the imagining is the bit that wasn't there yetThere's a concept to ponder! I remember a post of yours a while back. Something about our being mere vehicles for the bacteria to evolve. I bet I'm remembering it inaccurately. Anyway, I can't resist saying that when you say enjoy the ride I think of Maharishi saying enjoy. (-: Yes, we are all descended from bacteria and the only reason we are here at all is because DNA is imperfect at copying itself and keeps making mistakes that change the outcomes of the copying and increasing complexity. Not as exciting a creation myth as some of the others people have come up with but they wouldn't be able to come up with them if it hadn't happened. Aha! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want
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paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from serious researchers like Timothy Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham... I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about technology and promising us freedom from our destructive ways, yet always remaining remarkably evidence free. There's always a new vision to add to the mythos but conveniently never any hard evidence to help decide one way or the other. And the longer that scenario goes on the more convinced any casual observer should be that we are kidding ourselves, because deep down we like ghost stories and that's really what they are. Something scary always just out of reach. Techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 1080p HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 ... Edgar Dean Mitchell, Sc.D. is an American pilot, retired Captain in the United States Navy and NASA astronaut. As the lunar module pilot of Apollo 14, ... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : I didn't really read what sal has written below, but I think the gist of it is, that he doesn't like the person who coined the word flying saucer Is that what his dissertation is about this time? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There is not one astronaut who has NOT reported seeing
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Curtis, from your first paragraph, it sounds like you're equating knowledge with mental abilities. But I don't think that's what Maharishi meant. I think what he meant by knowledge is conclusions drawn from perceptions.One of the classical examples is that of the blind men touching different parts of the elephant and then coming to different conclusions about the identity of the object being touched in different places.Another classic example is the snake and the string wherein the agitated person sees something threatening and the calm person sees something nonthreatening.Even in every day life, if 10 people witness an accident, there will be 10 different reports. And how about the party game of telephone? Why doesn't the message stay the same with each hearing and repeating? From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. C: Nabbie with your attention to the details of what I write you could easily be mistaken for a fanboy. Yes, this is one of my favorite topics and thanks for reminding me. Let's revisit it to see if my views have changed I am denying that Maharishi has made a convincing case for his claim that: Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. The example he used was that when we are sleepy our knowledge is different. When I was a young man, and more easily swayed by my internal feelings when thinking, I agreed with him. But now I do not find this to be the case. As an adult professional I have learned how to functions at a certain level mentally no matter what my level of rest or fatigue. My knowledge is not significantly affected. Being more likely to forget something can happen. But this is a long way from the breadth of this claim. I would say that fatigue exerts no more than a 10% influence over my mental abilities. So the comparison falls flat in my experience. Are you really incapable of doing your job well if you are tired? Does it make that much of a difference in your functioning really? You might enjoy it less but that is a different claim. And as far as extending this into the so called higher states as if this analogy would prove anything about them even if it were true, I call bullshit. I have seen nothing from any of the so called enlightened guys, Maharishi included, that couldn't be replicated from anyone familiar with their use of language and a Hinduism 101 course. Light some incense: The mind is a shallow boat surrounded by the ocean of infinity. The mind experiences pleasure and pain, It associates with the objects of perception which sells out the infinite full potential of their inner nature for a localized, finite experience. When the mind expands into its limitless source, it becomes one with that infinite nature, and takes on the qualities of truth,consciousness and bliss awareness, beyond the limitations of space and time. This is what the ancient rishis called Sat Chit Ananda. You guess who wrote that from the knowledge it contains. Is there anything in those words that would make it impossible for the writer to be in waking state? Is there something so different from what a person who was not experiencing that reality could write, if they knew the language form and structure of the claims in that philosophy? Can you really tell if that was real or Memorex? So Nabbie, you defend your teachers assertion that he did not prove. He just asserted it. Now is your moment to show how your elevated consciousness has such a superior state of knowledge, that you can turn my objections to ashes before my eyes. Being scornful of my objections is not an argument. Show us why we should accept that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness without resorting to the proof by bogus analogy, blatant unsupported assertion, or appeal to the authority of Hindu holy books that Maharishi tried. Do your guru a solid and help him make his case for the infidels. But we both know that no one can because you just bought into a belief that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Same 3 choices every time you take a swing at me. You can defend your belief with reasoned argument to convince me where what I wrote was wrong somehow or missing an important point, you can follow angry Jim and go ad hominem as he recently did AGAIN, or you can slink away to take another sucker punch another day, never defending your position or refuting mine with reason, like an internet troll. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here
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Yes, because of the large karmic rebound Barry has built up, he has become one big, red, reactive button, himself. And he continues to drone on about being hypnotized by a rapist - Something the rest of us would be less than thrilled about sharing. PS Notice Barry calls him Fred here? Normally, its Rama this and Rama that. Barry still believes the guy was an avatar of Vishnu, instead of a drugged up puppy strangler, and worse. No wonder his life is a mess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want
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in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from serious researchers like Timothy Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham... I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about technology and promising us freedom from our destructive ways, yet always remaining remarkably evidence free. There's always a new vision to add to the mythos but conveniently never any hard evidence to help decide one way or the other. And the longer that scenario goes on the more convinced any casual observer should be that we are kidding ourselves, because deep down we like ghost stories and that's really what they are. Something scary always just out of reach. Techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 1080p HD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AAJ34_NMcI Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 ... Edgar Dean Mitchell, Sc.D. is an American pilot, retired Captain in the United States Navy and NASA astronaut
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--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, from your first paragraph, it sounds like you're equating knowledge with mental abilities. But I don't think that's what Maharishi meant. I think what he meant by knowledge is conclusions drawn from perceptions. C: I agree, His definition was experience and understanding are the components of knowledge. In his example he doesn't keep this distinction clear. But if we examine your point his claim is even lamer. Once I have solid knowledge born of experience and understanding, I can't be rocked by any lack of sleep which was his example. For example I play gigs and teach all the time with very little sleep. It has an insignificant affect on my ability to think clearly and present my material because I have it rooted in lots of experience and understanding. S: One of the classical examples is that of the blind men touching different parts of the elephant and then coming to different conclusions about the identity of the object being touched in different places. C: I don't believe more analogies help support the claim. In that case they lack experience and understanding both, it has nothing to do with their consciousness or even state of mind. I know Maharishi was fond of proof by analogy but it is not a valid proof. It just means you have a cute story to tell that is entertaining. It does not make any case about the claim. S: Another classic example is the snake and the string wherein the agitated person sees something threatening and the calm person sees something nonthreatening. C: Again this is a lack of experience or understanding but says nothing about the state of consciousness. Both the calm person and the agitated person lacked information, and it was too dark for experience to kick in. The agitation may make a person jump to this conclusion faster but the problem was lack of knowledge, not a state of mind. When the person is shown it is a string they have just as much ability for knowledge as the calm man. And the reverse would be true too in this case. If the guy was calm with no evidence that there was no a snake in the dark, he could be bitten. The agitated guy might have survived because he was on guard when there was a lack of clear knowledge. So again, his analogy fails to prove anything about our state or mind being an advantage, it all depends on whether or not it happened to be a snake or a string after the fact. S: Even in every day life, if 10 people witness an accident, there will be 10 different reports. And how about the party game of telephone? Why doesn't the message stay the same with each hearing and repeating? C: Because we are unreliable witnesses due to a cognitive gap we have when we lack experience or understanding about an event. Our minds fill in gaps and give us a perverse confidence that we know what we are talking about as we describe our experience. These points speak to the unreliability of our cognitive abilities across the board, but make no case that anyone in a higher state would be any better at this than we are. You have made a case that we have known cognitive gaps, and that with the influx of overwhelming data, we each pay attention to a selection of things combined with our perceptual biases to form our conclusions about what happened. There is nothing in the growth of consciousness model that even addresses this problem except to make the religious claim that somehow you will magically notice the right things about an event from the many things you could have noticed. (If you hung around Maharishi long enough you could see that he was no better than any of us at noticing things properly.) Thanks for extending the discussion. Have I missed something about your points? From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. C: Nabbie with your attention to the details of what I write you could easily be mistaken for a fanboy. Yes, this is one of my favorite topics and thanks for reminding me. Let's revisit it to see if my views have changed I am denying that Maharishi has made a convincing case for his claim that: Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. The example he used was that when we are sleepy our knowledge is different. When I was a young man, and more easily swayed by my internal feelings when thinking, I agreed with him. But now I do not find this to be the case. As an adult professional I have learned how to functions at a certain level mentally
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of consciousness without resorting to the proof by bogus analogy, blatant unsupported assertion, or appeal to the authority of Hindu holy books that Maharishi tried. Do your guru a solid and help him make his case for the infidels. But we both know that no one can because you just bought into a belief that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Same 3 choices every time you take a swing at me. You can defend your belief with reasoned argument to convince me where what I wrote was wrong somehow or missing an important point, you can follow angry Jim and go ad hominem as he recently did AGAIN, or you can slink away to take another sucker punch another day, never defending your position or refuting mine with reason, like an internet troll. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from
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Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. But where it gets interesting is when you consider the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh states, and how knowledge is perceived or acquired, differently in those states. But, if you don't buy into the reality of those states, then it is easy to dismiss the theory. After all, they are subjective by nature, so if someone says prove it, you may be hard pressed to do so. On the other hand, you have someone like Barry owning up to having such experiences, but placing no particular importance to them. You have someone like Michael, who has waxed on about traversing the whole field of those higher states of consciousness, but then deciding that doing so sort of invalidates his oft repeated assumption that the technique doesn't work. So, I'm not sure what is going on with these guys. It sounds to me that at least those two have already implicated themselves as to verifying that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness Barry said as much this morning. Now, the fact that this seems to put him at odds with what Curtis is saying, may require him to backtrack some. Or more likely, he doesn't really care. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, from your first paragraph, it sounds like you're equating knowledge with mental abilities. But I don't think that's what Maharishi meant. I think what he meant by knowledge is conclusions drawn from perceptions. One of the classical examples is that of the blind men touching different parts of the elephant and then coming to different conclusions about the identity of the object being touched in different places. Another classic example is the snake and the string wherein the agitated person sees something threatening and the calm person sees something nonthreatening. Even in every day life, if 10 people witness an accident, there will be 10 different reports. And how about the party game of telephone? Why doesn't the message stay the same with each hearing and repeating? From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. C: Nabbie with your attention to the details of what I write you could easily be mistaken for a fanboy. Yes, this is one of my favorite topics and thanks for reminding me. Let's revisit it to see if my views have changed I am denying that Maharishi has made a convincing case for his claim that: Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. The example he used was that when we are sleepy our knowledge is different. When I was a young man, and more easily swayed by my internal feelings when thinking, I agreed with him. But now I do not find this to be the case. As an adult professional I have learned how to functions at a certain level mentally no matter what my level of rest or fatigue. My knowledge is not significantly affected. Being more likely to forget something can happen. But this is a long way from the breadth of this claim. I would say that fatigue exerts no more than a 10% influence over my mental abilities. So the comparison falls flat in my experience. Are you really incapable of doing your job well if you are tired? Does it make that much of a difference in your functioning really? You might enjoy it less but that is a different claim. And as far as extending this into the so called higher states as if this analogy would prove anything about them even if it were true, I call bullshit. I have seen nothing from any of the so called enlightened guys, Maharishi included, that couldn't be replicated from anyone familiar with their use of language and a Hinduism 101 course. Light some incense: The mind is a shallow boat surrounded by the ocean of infinity. The mind experiences pleasure and pain, It associates with the objects of perception which sells out the infinite full potential of their inner nature for a localized, finite experience. When the mind expands into its limitless source, it becomes one with that infinite nature, and takes on the qualities of truth,consciousness and bliss awareness, beyond the limitations of space and time. This is what the ancient rishis called Sat Chit Ananda. You guess who wrote that from
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to put him at odds with what Curtis is saying, may require him to backtrack some. Or more likely, he doesn't really care. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, from your first paragraph, it sounds like you're equating knowledge with mental abilities. But I don't think that's what Maharishi meant. I think what he meant by knowledge is conclusions drawn from perceptions. One of the classical examples is that of the blind men touching different parts of the elephant and then coming to different conclusions about the identity of the object being touched in different places. Another classic example is the snake and the string wherein the agitated person sees something threatening and the calm person sees something nonthreatening. Even in every day life, if 10 people witness an accident, there will be 10 different reports. And how about the party game of telephone? Why doesn't the message stay the same with each hearing and repeating? From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. C: Nabbie with your attention to the details of what I write you could easily be mistaken for a fanboy. Yes, this is one of my favorite topics and thanks for reminding me. Let's revisit it to see if my views have changed I am denying that Maharishi has made a convincing case for his claim that: Knowledge is different in different states of consciousness. The example he used was that when we are sleepy our knowledge is different. When I was a young man, and more easily swayed by my internal feelings when thinking, I agreed with him. But now I do not find this to be the case. As an adult professional I have learned how to functions at a certain level mentally no matter what my level of rest or fatigue. My knowledge is not significantly affected. Being more likely to forget something can happen. But this is a long way from the breadth of this claim. I would say that fatigue exerts no more than a 10% influence over my mental abilities. So the comparison falls flat in my experience. Are you really incapable of doing your job well if you are tired? Does it make that much of a difference in your functioning really? You might enjoy it less but that is a different claim. And as far as extending this into the so called higher states as if this analogy would prove anything about them even if it were true, I call bullshit. I have seen nothing from any of the so called enlightened guys, Maharishi included, that couldn't be replicated from anyone familiar with their use of language and a Hinduism 101 course. Light some incense: The mind is a shallow boat surrounded by the ocean of infinity. The mind experiences pleasure and pain, It associates with the objects of perception which sells out the infinite full potential of their inner nature for a localized, finite experience. When the mind expands into its limitless source, it becomes one with that infinite nature, and takes on the qualities of truth,consciousness and bliss awareness, beyond the limitations of space and time. This is what the ancient rishis called Sat Chit Ananda. You guess who wrote that from the knowledge it contains. Is there anything in those words that would make it impossible for the writer to be in waking state? Is there something so different from what a person who was not experiencing that reality could write, if they knew the language form and structure of the claims in that philosophy? Can you really tell if that was real or Memorex? So Nabbie, you defend your teachers assertion that he did not prove. He just asserted it. Now is your moment to show how your elevated consciousness has such a superior state of knowledge, that you can turn my objections to ashes before my eyes. Being scornful of my objections is not an argument. Show us why we should accept that knowledge is different in different states of consciousness without resorting to the proof by bogus analogy, blatant unsupported assertion, or appeal to the authority of Hindu holy books that Maharishi tried. Do your guru a solid and help him make his case for the infidels. But we both know that no one can because you just bought into a belief that doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Same 3 choices every time you take a swing at me. You can defend your belief with reasoned argument to convince me where what I wrote was wrong somehow or missing an important point, you can follow angry Jim and go ad hominem as he recently did AGAIN, or you can slink away to take another
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Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any practical case for how it might apply to our daily life which is why he needed to extend the example. Saying that our knowledge is different in deep sleep is a bit of a stretch because it is a state of zero consciousness. So it isn't that the knowledge is different as much as the knower is gone. In dreams we also have a very altered sense of self so there really isn't a parallel there either. It isn't that our knowledge, which is by his definition experience and understanding.The understanding part is missing because the experience is not organized as it is in waking state. So saying that these are different style experience does nothing to establish the principle he is attempting to establish, that knowledge is structured in consciousness. The best he does is to point out that to know anything we must be aware and to know specific things we must be aware of those things and be in a state of mind capable of that. Not exactly an enlightened news flash. C: But where it gets interesting is when you consider the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh states, and how knowledge is perceived or acquired, differently in those states. But, if you don't buy into the reality of those states, then it is easy to dismiss the theory. C: You can have had the experience of altered states without buying into them as higher states. If you have done heavy rounding you know that you can alter your mental functioning. What it means is the issue. And in all my own experience I can't find an example of my knowledge being different, just my experience of my own mental functioning. The understanding was being pumped in by hours of lectures of Maharishi trying to convince me how I should interpret the experience and its value and meaning. I had the same beliefs throughout the process of changing internal experience, there was not change in my knowledge. Then when my knowledge changed again and I rejected his teaching I could still experience the states I had when I was a believer, they are not connected. S: After all, they are subjective by nature, so if someone says prove it, you may be hard pressed to do so. C: If this was the kind of state extolled by Maharishi, the highest state of human development, there would be plenty of proof. Maharishi gave lots of examples of how we would see results in activity, he was not poo pooing proof for his claims, he as boldly claiming it could be proven. His confidence has not held up to scrutiny over time. Maharishi was using a philosophical proof system to make his case. I am showing that it is a flawed one. Proof by analogy isn't valid, analogies are a way to explain something you have proven in another way. In the beginning he could claim that people just didn't have the experience so
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salyavin, I've heard recently that humans exist in theta state til abut the age of 6. Catholics consider age 7 what they call the age of reason, when a child can tell right from wrong. Could your explanatory knowledge also be called pattern recognizing? Is that the essence of what makes us different from chimps? From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : salyavin, aha indeed! Since you don't believe in God, instead of saying my usual about God's sense of humor, I'll ponder if the bacteria had/have a sense of humor (-: From you first and second paragraphs, I'm wondering if you're equatingexplanatory knowledge with being fully self aware. They seem like 2 things to me. Maybe a developmental neuroscientist could shed some light by studying the behavior of babies. Are they able to figure stuff out, like where the cookies are hidden, before they become aware of my toes and me? I use the term explanatory knowledge to mean that we are the only animals that come up with ideas to explain things like where they are and what's going on. A chimp might use a twig to tease ants out of a log but humans can sit and ponder where the ants came from and what they are made of. Once you get that capability the possibilities are endless, philosophy, cosmology, science etc. It ends up where we are today with knowledge of quasars at the edge of the universe and of the energies that makes atoms work and a steadily growing number of things inbetween. Not bad achievements really, especially considering the only difference between us and chimps is an abstract metaphorical language. How we acquired that is an interesting question, many theories there. I don't think babies figure abstract stuff out at all. Not until they learn to speak, up till then it's all instinctual responses, the baby whisperer makes a nice living out of conning people otherwise though! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ah, Salyavin, deep human needs indeed! What do you think is the deepest one? To understand? To survive? Or is it about us at all? Must be to understand. Once all the basics are fulfilled anyway. Our brains seem designed to generate explanations about where we are what's going on, it's endless. Would love to know when it started, the ability to create explanatory knowledge is what sets us apart from our chimp cousins but as things like that don't fossilise it's difficult to say when it might have happened. All we have to go on is cave paintings or marks on sticks but they could be part of a long evolution of self awareness. I wonder what it was like to be only half self-aware? Impossible to know as the bit that does the imagining is the bit that wasn't there yetThere's a concept to ponder! I remember a post of yours a while back. Something about our being mere vehicles for the bacteria to evolve. I bet I'm remembering it inaccurately. Anyway, I can't resist saying that when you say enjoy the ride I think of Maharishi saying enjoy. (-: Yes, we are all descended from bacteria and the only reason we are here at all is because DNA is imperfect at copying itself and keeps making mistakes that change the outcomes of the copying and increasing complexity. Not as exciting a creation myth as some of the others people have come up with but they wouldn't be able to come up with them if it hadn't happened. Aha! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know
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On 11/16/2014 9:50 AM, Share Long wrote: Richard, thanks for posting this. I didn't know that such ideas were found in some ancient literature. /According to the Book of Genesis man was created by God for the purpose of working on a fruit farm./ /The Book of Genesis, based on ideas contained in the Sumerian religion, describes an advanced society, which flourished around 3500 B.C. Like other ancient societies, the Sumerians left records stating that human-like creatures of extraterrestrial origin had ruled early human society as Earth's first monarchs. Those alien people were often thought of as gods./ And if it is true about our being enslaved, etc. again my question is: what is the action step? /The question is, are extraterrestrial aliens posing as the Gods for a custodial race? //The idea that human beings are a slave race, forced to work inside a human body, owned and operated by an alien or extraterrestrial society. / And by action step I'm including thoughts and feelings. IOW, whether you are a slave or not, how do you choose right here and now, to think and feel? ///Some people believe that a Supreme Being is behind the vicious Machiavellian intentions described in the Bible. However, the idea that a Custodial race posing as a Supreme Being seems to provide a true breakthrough by pointing to a brutal technological society, not a Supreme Being, as the more likely source of such warlike machinations.// // //Work Cited:// // //Bramley, William. *The Gods of Eden.* New York: Avon. 1993./ *From:* 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 8:06 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs On 11/15/2014 3:25 PM, Share Long wrote: As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: /The idea that human beings are a slave race, forced to work inside a human body, owned and operated by an alien or extraterrestrial society, is not new. This was mentioned in the Sumerian and Judaic literature. If true, this impacts our life in every way, every single day: we in fact have no free will, we are all ///working on a fruit farm for nothing/. Our day off will be when we die. But even then, according to Barry, we will have to spend a few more days in the Tibetan Bardo, in order to be reborn on another farm. Read more: /*/Alien Agenda/*/ //by Jim Marrs // //Harper, 2000/ *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from serious researchers like Timothy Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham... I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about technology and promising us freedom from our
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-) On 11/16/2014 6:56 AM, salyavin808 wrote: I'll bet my Sunday lunch that the only reason Turq saw that comment by Willytex is because you commented on it. /I'd be willing to wager that Turq reads every single one of my posts almost every day.//If he in fact does not, then that only proves he is prejudiced, just like you are - calling me Willytex - everyone already knows my real name - you just proved my point./ It's the only reason I saw it too. Man, I'd hate to spend so much time online and to discover I'd been so ineffective for so many years... /So, now that I've got your attention - have you ever witnessed anyone levitate slowly up off of a sofa and then fly around two inches off the floor for awhile? Just be honest. Thanks./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. /* */ /* */Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) /* *//* */As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. /* */ /* */I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-)/* *From:* nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, November 16, 2014 12:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. /And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances./ - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely
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Share, I think you make a great case for taking care of yourself (diet and exercise), getting enough rest, and if you feel tired in the afternoon, take a nap. I am on board with all of that. We are both welcome to our own interpretations of what part meditation plays in that. If it is something you value and enjoy it is none of my business. It was Maharishi's claim that I disagree with. I don't see any connection with what you said below with knowledge being different in different states of C. I suspect even at your most unsettled and unrested, if I asked you about something you know about, you would just answer me just as you do when you are feeling better. That is because your knowledge isn't different in different states of consciousness. That our variable feelings are different in different states would make a better case than about our knowledge being different. All we can say is that we feel better or worse at different times, and our body's state seems to affect this. The variable of how much consciousness I am experiencing at any one time seems like a very small variable among more important factors. How much I care about something is the biggest predictor of how rich my knowledge is and given something I care about, I will fight through any fatigue factor to do it as much justice as I can to a subject I care about. Again, we are just talking here. It is a great way to sort out thoughts isn't it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any practical case for how it might apply to our daily life which is why he needed to extend the example. Saying that our knowledge is different in deep sleep is a bit of a stretch because it is a state of zero consciousness. So it isn't that the knowledge is different as much as the knower is gone. In dreams we also have a very altered sense of self so there really isn't a parallel there either. It isn't that our knowledge, which is by his definition experience and understanding.The understanding part is missing because the experience is not organized as it is in waking state. So saying that these are different style experience does nothing to establish the principle he is attempting to establish, that knowledge is structured in consciousness. The best he does is to point out that to know anything we must be aware and to know specific things we must be aware of those things and be in a state of mind capable of that. Not exactly an enlightened news flash. C: But where it gets interesting is when you consider the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh states, and how knowledge is perceived or acquired, differently in those states. But, if you don't buy into the reality of those states, then it is easy to dismiss the theory. C
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On 11/16/2014 6:44 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Seems Richard has managed to push the buttons of the Turq big-time, no matter how much he claims never to read any of his posts :-) /It's pretty easy to tell when Barry gets his buttons pushed - every time someone points out his cognitive dissonance. He has posted not a single PROOF of his subjective enlightenment experiences - in over nineteen years of posting to discussion groups and I think I've read almost everything he has ever posted to the internet. When I first started posting to Google Groups I was one of Barry's biggest fans and I even took up for him when Judy slammed him one time and called him a liar and a poser. I figured since we were both military brats from Texas we might have some common interests. But, he was so prejudiced and arrogant that I gave up and realized that Judy was probably correct in her assessment of his character. However, I also realized soon that Judy was just the flip-side of Barry - she hates me too. Go figure./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : */Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. /* */ /* */Compare and contrast against the claim made by Nabby several times on this forum that *HE* has levitated, hanging in the air for long periods of time. There is no one on Earth who doesn't find that laughable. :-) /* *//* */As for Curtis, I doubt seriously that he has ever suggested that *perception* is not different in different states of consciousness, only that *reality* probably isn't. Nabby wouldn't make that distinction because quite frankly he doesn't understand the difference. As with his claims to have personally levitated (which he has been unable to provide proof for or find anyone to substantiate), he seems to believe that if he experienced or perceived something, that *is* reality. /* */ /* */I suspect that both Curtis and I would agree that anyone who believes this is delusional. Even if you don't bother factoring in the fact that Nabby also believes in little green men whose idea of fun is stomping patterns in fields of wheat to show how advanced and intelligent they are. :-)/*
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On 11/16/2014 6:26 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: */Willytex can continue to remind people of anything he fuckin' wants...it doesn't bother me a bit. I've never claimed to *understand* what was going on when I and hundreds of other people saw Fred levitate, only that we witnessed it. He's just jealous that he never has...that's why at this point he has made several *thousand* posts about it. /* Yeah, well, I don't really care what Barry thinks about me since he has never actually said anything of consequence except complain about Judy on internet newsgroups - as far as I can tell. He may be a good fellow tantric from Houston as far as I know. What he does or says means nothing to me; he's just a easy target for my jibes. Too bad he doesn't seem understand my dry sense of humor or see the irony. He doesn't even seem to enjoy getting his buttons pushed - that in itself tells us a lot about the guy. In reality, for all his chasing enlightenment for decades he has not a single witness or proof of any of his subjective experiences. All we have are his opinions. /I've experienced enlightenment many times. In my case, these were fleeting experiences, and they come and go, and furthermore, BFD. These experiences were very real to me, and I am comfortable with talking about them as if they were real. - /TurquoiseB / /http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg96217.html
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On 11/16/2014 5:47 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Both the Turq's claim that he saw the Lenz-Rama-guy levitate many times /Barry's reality is his perception, but he has no proof of his subjective experiences. How could he have any proof - it's all in his own subjective experience! / and Curti's claim that knowledge is not different in different states of consciousness loom over these two guys forever. /Curtis meditates on his music probably all day and all night./ It's a good thing that Richard keep reminding every possible lurker here how far out of any possible self-insight these two guy's are. / The cognitive dissonance should seem pretty obvious, even to the casual reader. So, in fact there's no possible proof for Barry's subjective experiences and Curtis meditates most of the time and sings spirituals. So, where's the problem talking about the contradictions? Go figure./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 11/15/2014 4:23 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote: Sal is adjusting his speak every day now. Watch out, one of these days he'll even retract his extremely silly judgements on the Crop Circles. Adjusting his speak - that's a good one! Apparently he already believes in tall tales - he has yet to reply to Barry's levitation claims about Rama. Go figure. /And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances./ - salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. We can believe what we like. I have no opinion on intelligent life elsewhere, we don't know the variables that allow for it to develop. We could be unique or the universe could be teeming or maybe there's just one or two per galaxy over it's entire history. But the chances of there being other humanoids visiting Earth at the just same time as we've understood where we are cosmically? It beggars belief. Alien craft is the least likely explanation for UFO's. But I hope it's true. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: I don't know, just enjoy the ride, the evolving myth. We are apparently on the brink of something called disclosure. We've been here before a few times as I recall, it never amounts to much but it's fun watching the TB's get excited that their favourite daydream is to be officially confirmed. But it won't be, the UFO's won't land and Maitreya won't appear. It's the way of things. The connection between the two is that people want there to be more, want there to be a reason and for there to be salvation from a higher power, whether it's alien or spiritual. We're talking deep human needs here. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about
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Hi Share, I think I have probably lost my interest in unpacking KISIC and its corollary too much. I am willing to accept the premise of the seven states of consciousness. And as such, I will allow that from fourth thru seventh states, there are differences. I would say the reason I am willing to do so, is that I have observed my experience change over the past 40 years as I have embarked on a spiritual path. Now, the funny thing, is that I don't pay much, if any attention to any experiences I might have. But neither do I deny them, or do I feel a need to berate others for describing their experiences. Nay, I find them inspiring, just as I enjoyed hearing the experiences you related the last couple days. I also have derived inspiration from the Vedic/Hindu texts to which I have had exposure, although I have not really looked at anything in decades. As I understand it, the Buddhist texts, or Buddhist philosophy describe similar states So, in a sense I have been on auto pilot. To bottom line it, I believe that, as humans, the experience of realizing that the world around us, is just our self, is the ultimate reality. And so this this covers both KISIC and KIDIDSOC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any practical case for how it might apply to our daily life which is why he needed to extend the example. Saying that our knowledge is different in deep sleep is a bit of a stretch because it is a state of zero consciousness. So it isn't that the knowledge is different as much as the knower is gone. In dreams we also have a very altered sense of self so there really isn't a parallel there either. It isn't that our knowledge, which is by his definition experience and understanding.The understanding part is missing because the experience is not organized as it is in waking state. So saying that these are different style experience does nothing to establish the principle he is attempting to establish, that knowledge is structured in consciousness. The best he does is to point out that to know anything we must be aware and to know specific things we must be aware of those things and be in a state of mind capable of that. Not exactly an enlightened news flash. C: But where it gets interesting is when you consider the fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh states, and how knowledge is perceived or acquired, differently in those states. But, if you don't buy into the reality of those states, then it is easy to dismiss the theory. C: You can have had the experience of altered states without buying into them as higher states. If you have done heavy rounding you know that you can alter your mental functioning. What it means is the issue
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Hi Steve, I think being on auto pilot about all this is a great way to be. And sometimes it's fun to actually think about some of Maharishi's concepts that I simply have taken for granted for so long. Another experience I've been having recently fascinates me because it seems to be self contradictory: I'm both more spontaneous but less expressive. I think I'm doing emotional processing more on the inside, so that when I speak, my speech is more lively, more full of life force. But I'm not really expressing emotions. Does that make sense? It's a very different experience for me, feels very good. A friend said that after she had dinner with me, she felt that all the anger towards her SO was gone! That also made me feel really good. From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Hi Share, I think I have probably lost my interest in unpacking KISIC and its corollary too much. I am willing to accept the premise of the seven states of consciousness. And as such, I will allow that from fourth thru seventh states, there are differences. I would say the reason I am willing to do so, is that I have observed my experience change over the past 40 years as I have embarked on a spiritual path. Now, the funny thing, is that I don't pay much, if any attention to any experiences I might have. But neither do I deny them, or do I feel a need to berate others for describing their experiences. Nay, I find them inspiring, just as I enjoyed hearing the experiences you related the last couple days. I also have derived inspiration from the Vedic/Hindu texts to which I have had exposure, although I have not really looked at anything in decades. As I understand it, the Buddhist texts, or Buddhist philosophy describe similar states So, in a sense I have been on auto pilot. To bottom line it, I believe that, as humans, the experience of realizing that the world around us, is just our self, is the ultimate reality. And so this this covers both KISIC and KIDIDSOC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any practical case for how it might apply to our daily life which is why he needed to extend the example. Saying that our knowledge is different in deep sleep is a bit of a stretch because it is a state of zero consciousness. So it isn't that the knowledge is different as much as the knower is gone. In dreams we also have a very altered sense of self so there really isn't a parallel there either. It isn't that our knowledge, which is by his definition experience and understanding.The understanding part is missing because the experience
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I guess it's like shooting the rapids, only maybe that implies too much thinking. But you aim for the v, and then let the current do the rest, with maybe some slight adjustments along the way. Okay, maybe some larger adjustments on occasion. But, overall it is a fun ride. And it is nice that you were able to have a silent, but positive influence on your friend. I think that's the way it works too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Hi Steve, I think being on auto pilot about all this is a great way to be. And sometimes it's fun to actually think about some of Maharishi's concepts that I simply have taken for granted for so long. Another experience I've been having recently fascinates me because it seems to be self contradictory: I'm both more spontaneous but less expressive. I think I'm doing emotional processing more on the inside, so that when I speak, my speech is more lively, more full of life force. But I'm not really expressing emotions. Does that make sense? It's a very different experience for me, feels very good. A friend said that after she had dinner with me, she felt that all the anger towards her SO was gone! That also made me feel really good. From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 3:36 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs Hi Share, I think I have probably lost my interest in unpacking KISIC and its corollary too much. I am willing to accept the premise of the seven states of consciousness. And as such, I will allow that from fourth thru seventh states, there are differences. I would say the reason I am willing to do so, is that I have observed my experience change over the past 40 years as I have embarked on a spiritual path. Now, the funny thing, is that I don't pay much, if any attention to any experiences I might have. But neither do I deny them, or do I feel a need to berate others for describing their experiences. Nay, I find them inspiring, just as I enjoyed hearing the experiences you related the last couple days. I also have derived inspiration from the Vedic/Hindu texts to which I have had exposure, although I have not really looked at anything in decades. As I understand it, the Buddhist texts, or Buddhist philosophy describe similar states So, in a sense I have been on auto pilot. To bottom line it, I believe that, as humans, the experience of realizing that the world around us, is just our self, is the ultimate reality. And so this this covers both KISIC and KIDIDSOC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis and Steve, I'm also just thinking out loud, sort of fumbling around with all this. Because KISIC and KIDIDSOC always resonated with me as being true. They felt right. But it's also fun to try and reason them out as well. But as I said, I'm just fumbling around, exploring, also sort of playing with words and our accepted meaning of them. As I've said before, I don't really think in terms of higher and lower states of consciousness. I think of more developed brain states, meaning, more of the brain functioning in a very healthy way. Which I think would automatically be of benefit to the world. I'm assuming that if most of a person's brain was functioning in a very healthy way, then that is how they would behave. It seems like a reasonable assumption to me. More fumbling, but here's an example from my life and I'm not claiming any higher SOC. But I do know that when I'm rested, when my physiology is settled, I feel more in harmony with the people around me. And I treat them more positively. That's a major value for me, and I think for them too. OTOH, if I'm upset or distracted, I can't even be with them as completely, so my knowledge of them at that moment, is incomplete and therefore not as valuable for either of us in terms of living a rich human life. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Share, I agree that there is some conflating here of mental abilities and knowledge. C: You mean by Maharishi in his examples, right? He started the comparison which you are labeling conflation. S: I think it is the typical apple/orange thing. The way the concept was presented by Maharishi was the obvious difference between waking, sleeping, and dreaming states of consciousness which we note in every day experience. C: That was another example he used. The clear and foggy, tired not tired example was also his. Of course saying that these are different mental states doesn't really make any
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Gordon is not crazy, then the American government is purposefully, mindfully, ABSOLUTELY evil. So you're concerned that the guy who was angry for having been taken out of the rotation for future NASA missions because he wouldn't train for them and then found that the only way he could get any media attention at all was to claim to have seen UFOs might have a credibility problem? Go figure. :-) If there are aliens visiting us and we're not being told -- it robs every person on Earth. EVERY PERSON ON EARTH. On the other hand, if all of this is just self-serving bullshit by people like Gordo who went little crazy trying regain the attention they had for a short time as astronauts, then why should a government add to the craziness by dealing with their claims? Neither you, nor I, nor anyone ever could possibly be who we are now if we knew that UFOs are real. IT. WOULD. CHANGE. EVERYTHING. Bullshit. I can honestly say that if irrevocable proof was published 'round the world of the existence of aliens, it would not change my life in any way. Same if irrevocable proof of the existence of God could be found and disseminated. Neither event would affect me in any way. NOTHING in my life would change. I don't really understand why you think either would affect you. Seriously. WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE ABOUT YOUR LIFE if it turned out that aliens existed? I ask because I honestly can't think of anything that I would change about my life, given proof of *either* aliens, or God.
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Easy boy, Opinions, just opinions. Take a few deep breaths, or pet the doggie, or as my daughter tells me sometimes, baby sloths, baby sloths No need to bring up the usual litany of what's wrong with the world ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Gordon is not crazy, then the American government is purposefully, mindfully, ABSOLUTELY evil. So you're concerned that the guy who was angry for having been taken out of the rotation for future NASA missions because he wouldn't train for them and then found that the only way he could get any media attention at all was to claim to have seen UFOs might have a credibility problem? Go figure. :-) If there are aliens visiting us and we're not being told -- it robs every person on Earth. EVERY PERSON ON EARTH. On the other hand, if all of this is just self-serving bullshit by people like Gordo who went little crazy trying regain the attention they had for a short time as astronauts, then why should a government add to the craziness by dealing with their claims? Neither you, nor I, nor anyone ever could possibly be who we are now if we knew that UFOs are real. IT. WOULD. CHANGE. EVERYTHING. Bullshit. I can honestly say that if irrevocable proof was published 'round the world of the existence of aliens, it would not change my life in any way. Same if irrevocable proof of the existence of God could be found and disseminated. Neither event would affect me in any way. NOTHING in my life would change. I don't really understand why you think either would affect you. Seriously. WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE ABOUT YOUR LIFE if it turned out that aliens existed? I ask because I honestly can't think of anything that I would change about my life, given proof of *either* aliens, or God.
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salyavin, I love your last paragraph: folklore in action; techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. As for me, I believe there is life somewhere else in the vast universe. And I think they are more highly advanced than us and maybe here with us. And I think it's great. But at that point, I'm more like turq. It doesn't really impact my life one way or the other. Either way, what is the action step? (-: From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2014 3:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Okay, let's put it on the table: UFOs ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Sal doesn't like UFO's because they aren't scientific :-) It's an interesting point Nabs. The thing is one can only get scientific about something if it is available to study, UFO's are so fleeting and ephemeral that there really isn't anything to study other than hearsay or suspiciously absent film taken by higher powers to keep the whole thing secret. But a great many people have studied what they can about UFO sightings, and done it with as much rigour as you can with such a paucity of hard evidence. I'm not sure there is an encounter that hasn't got a better explanation that doesn't involve us being visited by beings from another world. And I don't just mean explaining things away, to be convincing you have to show that something more realistic happened, more credible and using explanations we already understand and are known to happen in certain circumstances. Even testing soil damage and skin burns for alternative causes. People are being scientific about UFO's. But here's the thing you overlook in your quip, I've been interested in UFO's for as long as I remember, I've a got a shelf full of the classic books on the subject. Even the true believer stuff from serious researchers like Timothy Good and the abductionists like Bud Hopkins. I bet I know all the great encounters by heart - Cortile, Ramirez, Roswell, Pascagoula, Ilkley Moor, Rendlesham... I love it but I don't take it at face value. To me, UFO's are folklore in action. The evolving myth of abduction and what they are supposedly doing here are the legends of our time, a new religion, encapsulating our fears about technology and promising us freedom from our destructive ways, yet always remaining remarkably evidence free. There's always a new vision to add to the mythos but conveniently never any hard evidence to help decide one way or the other. And the longer that scenario goes on the more convinced any casual observer should be that we are kidding ourselves, because deep down we like ghost stories and that's really what they are. Something scary always just out of reach. Techno ghost stories for the nuclear age. Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 1080p HD | | | | | | Former Astronaut Explains The UFO Cover-Up 2013 ... Edgar Dean Mitchell, Sc.D. is an American pilot, retired Captain in the United States Navy and NASA astronaut. As the lunar module pilot of Apollo 14, ... | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I didn't really read what sal has written below, but I think the gist of it is, that he doesn't like the person who coined the word flying saucer Is that what his dissertation is about this time? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : There is not one astronaut who has NOT reported seeing UFO's, sometimes huge and in large nubers, back to NASA and/or their families. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Gordon is not crazy, then the American government is purposefully, mindfully, ABSOLUTELY evil. If there are aliens visiting us and we're not being told -- it robs every person on Earth. EVERY PERSON ON EARTH. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone ever could possibly be who we are now if we knew that UFOs are real. IT. WOULD. CHANGE. EVERYTHING. And that's why it might be kept a secret -- the concept money would be bereft of allure. If you say that it would NOT be all that much of a big deal, cuz everyone's so inured already by Hollywood films, then YOU DON'T KNOW JACK SHIT ABOUT PSYCHOLOGY. Every person in every way: changed. Agreed. Luckily I don;t suppose it will come to that. Which is a shame as I'd be the happiest person on Earth if it turned out that UFO's were alien spacecraft, but the truth of sightings always turns out to be more mundane. Take the name flying saucers, everyone sees saucer shaped craft but the name is a mistake from the first encounter anyone had. Kenneth Arnold (an experienced pilot) saw a squadron of highly reflective crescent shaped aircraft flying at great speed in a V formation over the Rocky mountains in 1947. He described
