Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
WHEN YOU WERE THERE, COULD YOU STAY AT THE CAT HOUSES OR DID YOU STAY AT A NEARBY MOTEL? IT WOULD BE GREAT IF I COULD RETIRE THERE WITH MY BABIES AND BE WITH THEM TO THE END. I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CHANGING BOXES, ETC. Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds just like the shelter I have selected - CW Rustic Hollow. I've visited it in the summer and winter. A great place. Sharyl From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 1. an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out at will. 2. They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure. They have furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls. My cats will be old by the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats. I am sure they will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window. I have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there. But if they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think there will be no problem. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be spending their remaining years in cages?? On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life. I have a shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care. They have a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set amount of money. It is really not asking all that much considering you are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the remainder of their lives. I have had my babies too long to leave their future up in the air. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be spending their remaining years in cages?? On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life. I have a shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care. They have a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set amount of money. It is really not asking all that much considering you are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the remainder of their lives. I have had my babies too long to leave their future up in the air. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
What becomes of these FelV cats you foster? Do you do like I do and just keep them until they die or have to be euthanized? I lost three FelV kittens in 2 months and it was heartbreaking. Now the last of this litter just turned one year old and she seems fine, but I watch her every day and never know how long I'll have her. I have several others who were exposed or actively have the virus, but they are still doing fine, but I look at them every day and wonder how long I'll have them. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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One actually did get adopted last year, but mostly they just stay with me until they pass away. Beth Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What becomes of these FelV cats you foster? Do you do like I do and just keep them until they die or have to be euthanized? I lost three FelV kittens in 2 months and it was heartbreaking. Now the last of this litter just turned one year old and she seems fine, but I watch her every day and never know how long I'll have her. I have several others who were exposed or actively have the virus, but they are still doing fine, but I look at them every day and wonder how long I'll have them. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 1. an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out at will. 2. They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure. They have furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls. My cats will be old by the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats. I am sure they will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window. I have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there. But if they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think there will be no problem. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be spending their remaining years in cages?? On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life. I have a shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care. They have a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set amount of money. It is really not asking all that much considering you are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the remainder of their lives. I have had my babies too long to leave their future up in the air. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lee, It's very encouraging that you've had three adults with FelV throw off the virus. I've never been that fortunate, and having these FelV cats and kittens with a death sentence is absolutely devastating to me. I am the same as you said you were much too emotional. As I may have written previously, the only miracle I had was with a litter of 6 kittens who were all FelV pos. except for one. I still have Weegie (4 years old now, and he's been retested twice and never got the virus, while all his siblings died years ago. Lorrie On 04-23, Lee Evans wrote: I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another these days because my feline family is approaching the older years. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sounds just like the shelter I have selected - CW Rustic Hollow. I've visited it in the summer and winter. A great place. Sharyl From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 1. an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out at will. 2. They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure. They have furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls. My cats will be old by the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats. I am sure they will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window. I have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there. But if they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think there will be no problem. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: We always need to prepare for the time when we will no longer be able to have our cats because of our illness or death, but I would be concerned about your cats in a no kill shelter. Would they be spending their remaining years in cages?? On 04-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life. I have a shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care. They have a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set amount of money. It is really not asking all that much considering you are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the remainder of their lives. I have had my babies too long to leave their future up in the air. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
Sounds just like the shelter I have selected - CW Rustic Hollow. I've visited it in the summer and winter. A great place. Sharyl From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2013 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) The shelter I have selected does not keep them in cages, they have the run of 1. an old farmhouse complete with an outdoor enclosure they can go in and out at will. 2. They have built a new house and outdoor enclosure. They have furniture to sit and lie on and shelves on the walls. My cats will be old by the time I pass and not many people want to adopt old cats. I am sure they will be content to lay on a bed or the back of a chair in a sunny window. I have only one concern, how will they adapt to the cats already there. But if they follow the normal rules for introducing new cats to the household, I think there will be no problem. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I only have 3 cats of my own left. 2 are quite old 1 is FeLV positive. I do not take in more FeLV fosters unless one passes away. I do not take FeLV cats from individuals unless they agree that it is still their cat, just living at my house. I will not be responsible for vet bills or food expenses. It is tough turning people down, but I have to have a sane life do not want to get overwhelmed. I prefer to educate people that they can mix their cats keep the FeLV's. That being said, I recently agreed to take an FeLV from a lady who volunteers at our shelter who I have known for years. The cat no more than got to my house it is clear he has medical issues she is not returning my calls or emails. This may mark the end of me taking in any FeLV's from individuals, period. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another these days because my feline family is approaching the older years. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not allow me to foster both positives negative, even if they were separated. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk
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Been there, done that. Most of the FeLv cats I have taken were from a rescuer who has overwhelmed me in the past. I am no longer allowing her to do that. Anyway, there is no more room at the inn. I have two cats in my separation rooms, one recovering from a blinding eye infection and upper resp. and the other who has bone cancer, tumor on leg but is doing OK so far. The partially blind cat is one of my own outdoor old biddies. The cancer cat is from a colony I used to feed but gave back to the overwhelming rescuer when I moved out of the city. I felt obligated to this cat so took her and am giving her whatever life she has left. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) I only have 3 cats of my own left. 2 are quite old 1 is FeLV positive. I do not take in more FeLV fosters unless one passes away. I do not take FeLV cats from individuals unless they agree that it is still their cat, just living at my house. I will not be responsible for vet bills or food expenses. It is tough turning people down, but I have to have a sane life do not want to get overwhelmed. I prefer to educate people that they can mix their cats keep the FeLV's. That being said, I recently agreed to take an FeLV from a lady who volunteers at our shelter who I have known for years. The cat no more than got to my house it is clear he has medical issues she is not returning my calls or emails. This may mark the end of me taking in any FeLV's from individuals, period. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another these days because my feline family is approaching the older years. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
You may have to do like the no kill shelters all do, ask an amount to take care of their food and medical bills for the rest of their life. I have a shelter picked out and have provided in my will for their care. They have a formula worked out, number of years expected for them to live x set amount of money. It is really not asking all that much considering you are asking them to give the cats the same care you have given them for the remainder of their lives. I have had my babies too long to leave their future up in the air. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I only have 3 cats of my own left. 2 are quite old 1 is FeLV positive. I do not take in more FeLV fosters unless one passes away. I do not take FeLV cats from individuals unless they agree that it is still their cat, just living at my house. I will not be responsible for vet bills or food expenses. It is tough turning people down, but I have to have a sane life do not want to get overwhelmed. I prefer to educate people that they can mix their cats keep the FeLV's. That being said, I recently agreed to take an FeLV from a lady who volunteers at our shelter who I have known for years. The cat no more than got to my house it is clear he has medical issues she is not returning my calls or emails. This may mark the end of me taking in any FeLV's from individuals, period. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another these days because my feline family is approaching the older years. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats
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My vet had me vaccinate every 6 months, but as my cats have gotten older I only do it every year. I figure at this point they should have enough immunity. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg The protocol I was given is 1st vaccine followed by booster shot in 30 days Give the 2nd vaccine 30 days before mixing positives and negatives Follow up every 12 months with a booster shot I wasn't aware there was more than 1 type of vaccine Sharyl From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg That is what I was worried about him eating out of there dishes,, water bowls and using litterbox. I am still very scared and hope I made the right decision. I have four other healthy 3 yr old females. I would never forgive myself if someone else got sick but wanted to do what was best for bama. Do we vaccinate every year? CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: They don't have to bite to transmit the virus.It can be transmitted but sharing food water. But the vaccinne seems to have worked just fine over the years for me. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/ From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg I've mixed mine (adults) for years also - I dont worry about it unless the are aggressive bite, etc. Gloria From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV MY BAMA RAMa thank u all CHERI ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not allow me to foster both positives negative, even if they were separated. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not allow me to foster both positives negative, even if they were separated. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth)
I had three FeLv+ cats throw it off. They all three were adults. Bunny was the youngest. She tested positive when she was spayed at a shelter. They would usually euthanize them but for some reason she slipped through the cracks, I am pleased to say and the rescuer brought her to me knowing that I would keep her or find a place for her if she did not turn. But she turned. Right now she's annoying two other cats in my computer room. She sleeps with me at night, and is a joyous cat. I would like to find her another home though because I just have too many and can't give her enough attention. My oldest cat, Moses threw it off i about 7 years ago. Percy had both FeLv and FIV. He threw off the FeLv and is now in my FIV room. I have a 5 months old FeLv+ kitten in foster care trying to turn negative. I hope she does. Taco and Smooch, two other FeLv+ cats who were brought to me as strays and tested positive passed away in two years. But at least they had those two years extra and weren't deprived of their short lives. I have chosen the wrong calling though. I'm much too emotional to be able to cope with this. Unfortunately I have no choice. I live from one emotional disaster to another these days because my feline family is approaching the older years. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) No, I have never seen one throw the virus off. I think fostering the FeLV cats is probably easier than fostering healthy cats, actually. I have done that plenty of times, too. At least I don't have to deal with constantly getting attached to cats only to have them adopted out I don't have to deal with kittens, which can be so much work. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Fostering (Beth) Beth I didn't know you fostered FelV cats. Have you had any who eventually threw off the virus? All of the kittens I've taken in as FelV positive, who must have acquired the virus from their mother, have died within two years. However, from one litter of FelV kittens I have an male who is now 4 years old, and he was the only one in his litter who did NOT test positive when I took them in, and I later tested him and he was still negative. I really admire you for fostering FelV cats. It can be heartbreaking when they become sick and die. I've had three PTS since October. They would have been a year old in May. One from this same litter is still fine, or seems to be. I will retest her soon. Lorrie On 04-23, Beth wrote: Chris - I would search the archives on mixing. A lot of us mix our positive non-positive, vaccinated cats. I have done it for over 10 years with no transmission of the virus to my healthy cats. I even have had FIV cats mix with the FeLV cats with no problems. And, yes, I do retest my negatives. It becomes a little difficult when you foster healthy cats for a shelter. I only foster FeLV cats these days. The shelter would not allow me to foster both positives negative, even if they were separated. Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg
They don't have to bite to transmit the virus.It can be transmitted but sharing food water. But the vaccinne seems to have worked just fine over the years for me. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg I've mixed mine (adults) for years also - I dont worry about it unless the are aggressive bite, etc. Gloria From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV MY BAMA RAMa thank u all CHERI ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg
That is what I was worried about him eating out of there dishes,, water bowls and using litterbox. I am still very scared and hope I made the right decision. I have four other healthy 3 yr old females. I would never forgive myself if someone else got sick but wanted to do what was best for bama. Do we vaccinate every year? CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: They don't have to bite to transmit the virus.It can be transmitted but sharing food water. But the vaccinne seems to have worked just fine over the years for me. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg I've mixed mine (adults) for years also - I dont worry about it unless the are aggressive bite, etc. Gloria From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV MY BAMA RAMa thank u all CHERI ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg
The protocol I was given is 1st vaccine followed by booster shot in 30 days Give the 2nd vaccine 30 days before mixing positives and negatives Follow up every 12 months with a booster shot I wasn't aware there was more than 1 type of vaccine Sharyl From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg That is what I was worried about him eating out of there dishes,, water bowls and using litterbox. I am still very scared and hope I made the right decision. I have four other healthy 3 yr old females. I would never forgive myself if someone else got sick but wanted to do what was best for bama. Do we vaccinate every year? CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:27 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: They don't have to bite to transmit the virus.It can be transmitted but sharing food water. But the vaccinne seems to have worked just fine over the years for me. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/ From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg I've mixed mine (adults) for years also - I dont worry about it unless the are aggressive bite, etc. Gloria From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV MY BAMA RAMa thank u all CHERI ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg
Same here. I do vaccinate my negatives for FELV just in case, but no one ever bites, just slaps, growls and hisses. My vet says as long as the negatives re vaccinated, should be okay. Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote: I've mixed mine (adults) for years also - I dont worry about it unless the are aggressive bite, etc. Gloria From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV MY BAMA RAMa thank u all CHERI ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FelV pos. neg
Many of us have done this, and the cats have a better chance at not getting the virus if vaccinated, but what is so amazing is a lot older cats (meaning not kittens) can be mixed with positives and still remain negative. I have seen this many times. Hang in there Cheri, It isn't always a death sentence to a cat, and this group is a wonderful help. Lorrie On 04-19, Cheri Le wrote: Please tell me that other people have vaccinated and intermingled. This is another decision I recently made. CHERI ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV non-FeLV cats
Yes, a lot of us mix our vaccinated cats with our FeLV cats with no problems. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle Thank u sooo much! I needed to heAr that. It's my first week intermingling them. My other four fur kids were vaccinated a week ago. I'm scared.. But I love him and don't want him alone in basement anymore. His constant diarrhea worries me though. His stomatitis doesn't bother him much at all tho! I WUV MY BAMA RAMa thank u all CHERI On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: That is what did when I started rescuing feral FeLV kittens. My house kitties were all adults. I got them current on their FeLV vaccine before mixing them. None of my negative kitties contract FeLV. My FeLV kittens lived from 1 - 4 yrs. Each was very special and made a huge impact on my life. I miss them dearly and wouldn't have changed anything. Sharyl. From: Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle Please tell me that other people have vaccinated and intermingled. This is another decision I recently made CHERI On Apr 19, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net wrote: I have A 5 yr old double positive with stomatitis and constant diarrhea ... I am soo scared. I also vaccinated my four others (tho I no it's not 100%). I don't have much money and I am so scared of losing him. Thank you I'm an emotional reck CHERI On Apr 18, 2013, at 4:06 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: So sorry. I know how it feels to loose a loved one human or animal. I am hoping no more of my babies leave me soon. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I had an FeLV cat who belonged to a friend. He was her cat, but lived at my house because I have FeLV cats. He has been battlingStomatitis the last few months. She picked him up to take him to the vet yesterday morning. During his exam they felt a mass in his tummy. They put him under to explore further. He had cancer from his abdomen to his esophagus. They never woke him back up. He looked acted so healthy except for the stomatits. He is very much missed. He was a silly, sweet, mischievous boy. I loved him for all of it! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
Is mixing like this recommended? In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who both tested negative and are vaccinated. I recently lost my beautiful 2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn as much as possible about it. The older cats do not really interact with the younger ones. I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done. Thank you in advance for all your help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every day, he could. If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, litterboxes, etc. I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze right after the + sneezed he could be infected. I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it. The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit. I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to infection. All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Is mixing like this recommended? In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who both tested negative and are vaccinated. I recently lost my beautiful 2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn as much as possible about it. The older cats do not really interact with the younger ones. I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done. Thank you in advance for all your help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
I personally have known about a dozen people who mix their positves to negatives - and negatives are not vaccinated either - and some of the cats have lived together, meaning share everything - grooming..etc.. amazingly, none of their negatives have become positives - though I have to say, all of they are adults cats - I am sure that kittens are more susceptible - and some of them are lving together for several years. Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:12:49 -0700 From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every day, he could. If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, litterboxes, etc. I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze right after the + sneezed he could be infected. I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it. The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit. I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to infection. All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Is mixing like this recommended? In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who both tested negative and are vaccinated. I recently lost my beautiful 2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn as much as possible about it. The older cats do not really interact with the younger ones. I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done. Thank you in advance for all your help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
I am far from being an expert here. My cat Oliver (6) was diagnosed with the leukemia virus back in December after my cat Daisy (4) suddenly got ill and passed away. Turns out that she had leukemia even though she was vaccinated against it and showed no prior signs of having it. Oliver mixes with 4 of my other cats and nobody has tested positive. Holly -Original Message- From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO hideyo.yamam...@msn.com To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats I personally have known about a dozen people who mix their positves to negatives - and negatives are not vaccinated either - and some of the cats have lived together, meaning share everything - grooming..etc.. amazingly, none of their negatives have become positives - though I have to say, all of they are adults cats - I am sure that kittens are more susceptible - and some of them are lving together for several years. Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 15:12:49 -0700 From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every day, he could. If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, litterboxes, etc. I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze right after the + sneezed he could be infected. I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it. The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit. I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to infection. All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Is mixing like this recommended? In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who both tested negative and are vaccinated. I recently lost my beautiful 2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn as much as possible about it. The older cats do not really interact with the younger ones. I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done. Thank you in advance for all your help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats
I didn't think FeLVcpuldbe spread via sneezes, just saliva Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote: Well.. I don't think there is a definitive answer to your question(not just yours most of us came accross it at some point)..basically if negative cats don't come into contact with positives they won't get infected. Also infection results from long time exposure, ie if a negative licks a postive dish once in a blue moon he won't get infected, however if he does clean the + plate every day, he could. If a positive grooms a negative once the negative won't get it but if he does it everyday or several times a day he could, same as for sharing beds, litterboxes, etc. I recently read on internet that infection thru aerosol/ airborne virus is rare in cats but common in dogs.., I don't know abt it. While the virus live for a few hrs out of the host if a - cat happens to absorb a + sneeze right after the + sneezed he could be infected. I've two FeLV+ one lives in a room by himself though during the day I put him in a LG crate in the garage for a change, he loves it. The other one is in a crate in another room(reason for crate is that it is the basement and other cats are around, however he doesn't sneeze so I'm not concerned somebody that just happens to pass by could get a droplet or two., The first one does have a chronic sinus infection so he sneezes quite a bit. I keep a litter in another room, young and senior are most vulnerable to infection. All the cats except the new litter are vaccinated. M http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Jo gypsyj...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:45 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing FeLV Positve FeLV Negative Vaccinated Cats Is mixing like this recommended? In my brood I have a 15-year old tiny girl who tested positive for FeLV, a 12-year old blind boy and 10-year old girl who have not been tested, and a 2-year old girl and 6-month old girl who both tested negative and are vaccinated. I recently lost my beautiful 2-year old blond boy to FeLV in January and have since been trying to learn as much as possible about it. The older cats do not really interact with the younger ones. I know it's too late now if I can't mix them and I'm taking my chances but I'd really like to know if it can be done. Thank you in advance for all your help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats
Cats get addicted to those little cans because they are loaded with inordinate amounts of sugar and fats (it was found that diabetes can be attributed to cats whose diet includes only those addictive foods)cats' palates get acclimated to them and eventually refuse any of the good foods, which are still not very good for them. I have recently read a report on pet foods - many contain flesh from shelter-killed animals, reject meat from slaughterhouses like tumors, diseased flesh, cartilage, bones, and even hides. It's a rotten shame that one can't even trust the very best and most expensive foods for our dogs and cats. There are things that one can place on top of so-called better foods, like those dried fish flakes, or teeny amounts of what they like just to make them eat something a little better. But if a cat doesn't want to eat at all, I always feel that something is better than nothing - as long as they get some nutrition! Some of our cats love people tuna in oil (not water), the dark kind, and others like sardines in oil; the smelliest being mackerel...it's a matter of trial and error. BTW - honey contains all kinds of helpful enzymes, especially the kind that isn't pasteurized! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats I lnow someone who used Coke in an emergency. Hey it had sugar it worked! Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote: What hapens with giving them a dab of honey is that it boost the blood sugar so if they might start to eat. It is the sugar, not the texture. I've a rescue group and fosters , we always use honey in cases when a cat stops eating, specially with kittens and anemic cats. Rub honey or Karo on their gums so it is absorbed by the skin, sugar goes directly in their bloodstream w/o having to use energy to break up what they swallowed. Also give sugar water by syringe, shoot in cheek pouch. I wished the good foods were more palatable to cats, mine don't like them either but they love Purina cat chow and Fancy Feast..like ppl we are not too atracted to health food though;) Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 2/24/12, dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 10:58 PM Toni, i enjoyed reading about your family and your tips. I also put a dab of vicks vapor rub on the nose of my cat that had the respiratory infection . I tried Wellness dry cat food but none of my cats would eat it. They like some of the purina one dry food flavors. I tried the Tiki brand b/c I heard it was good but after trying it my cats didn't really want to keep eating it. they liked the tuna and chicken best or plain tuna. I tired purina one canned but they don't really like it that much. They like some of the fancy feast and publix brand and target boots and barclay. I would prefer they ate foods without dyes, etc but they seem to like the junk food. I give them deli low salt turkey for a treat every now and then. Re losing hair years ago I used to use frontline and it took the hair off the area of one of my cat's neck and it didn't grow back for years. some of my cats foamed at the mouth so I just gave up. I use a flea comb on them, drop the fleas in alcohol. I have a cat fence section of my yard and have been treating it with diamateceous earth, supposedly a natural flea killer. I have noticed fewer fleas so i will keep trying. Another issue is kitty litter. My cats hate any scented. Re the corn and hard pellet, they refused to use it. I currently use Dr Eisley but it doesn't absorb as good as it used to. From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:10 PM Subject: Tips to share? On a different subject thought I might share this Re taking cats to vets: I often forget this in the stress of trying to help a sick animal but if you put an t shirt or towel you wore in the carrier with your scent , it seems to calm them. Ask vet staff to put it in their kennels if they are being transferred from the carrier they came in.. Re getting a cat to eat: I recently had three older cats that were sick and were being treated with antibiotics and wouldn't eat. One had upper respiratory congestion. One urinary infection. One reason unknown. They were on antibiotics but still wouldn't eat. Sometimes antibiotics upset stomach. Searched the internet and found a suggestion to put a dab of honey in their mouth. Don't know if coincidence or the antibiotics kicking in but it seemed to help them maybe soothed sore throat or stomach. I only put a dime sized drop
[Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats
Mixing pos and negs and the use of honey.. I have 3 cats one pos and the other two are neg, I use the ultra violet water bowl, and the cat genie litter box, All three are great and healthy, I also have 2 ferrets, 2 kids with Aspergers autism, military homeschooling household, hectic to say the least. Foods I am using Blue wilderness salmon, with added broth for water to keep down dehydration, cans I am using are Blue or Wellness, I check ingredients and they get one can a day, the ages of my cats are 3 Princess, she is pos, she wondered in to the house one day, the other two we adopted from the shelter, Jessie, 6 mth, Lolliepop is 2. I know what a name for cat, the ferrets are3 and 2 yrs old, Soda and Popper, with Princess everything is good the vet thinks she is in remission but she is balding, is that normal? Around her ears and the collar so I took off her collar. I also use honey when I brush their teeth as a reward and to make them drink after, if I don't they do not drink to wash out their mouths, should I use a bulb to wash it out for them ? Maybe instead. Also I use a Vicks type when they get sick and echinacea goldenseal once a week just one drop in canned food, the Vicks is for small animals upper respiratory health and I also but them in the bathroom for the steam relief , the bottle is labeled ferret R x but it works great just a dab on the chin and top of the nose. I didn't know if any one else had tried home remedies, and am very glad I found this site because my neighbors are upset for me keeping her alive and around the other 2 cats.now she does not play or clean the other 2cats she is very loving and loves to be inside, I still don't who she belonged to before but she does not want anything to with outside, thank goodness, all my neighbors have dogs, I think that is how she ended up in my backyard. Just don't know if any of this will help any one but the vet thinks that is why they are all doing so well, now if I can address my sneezing and itchy eyes, I rub them down with dryer sheets that have not been used and when brushing I use half downy and water in a spray bottle, it is more the hair falling then flying in the air, saliva is what is said to cause cat allergies for humans, so I don't know really I just know it helps me live with them since they all like to sleep right at my head and no one elses, no one else is allergic why do they target me.? Oh well, a very good lesson for the kids and a good addition to them family, I can't afford the best of care so I do a lot of research, any help would be great , Princess has stolen my heart, I want her to make it, she is the first animal I have been able to bond with since my dog was killed by the neighbors dogs in 09 he was my mother s day present when we moved to Texas in 07. Ok well thanks for listening anyway On Feb 23, 2012, at 12:00 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Neutering a positive cat update (dppl dppl) 2. Tips to share? (dppl dppl) 3. Re: Neutering a positive cat update (Beth) 4. Re: FIP (czadna sacarawicz) 5. Re: Neutering a positive cat update (GRAS) 6. Re: Neutering a positive cat update (dlg...@windstream.net) 7. Re: FIP (GRAS) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 12:00:18 -0800 (PST) From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Neutering a positive cat update Message-ID: 1329940818.92422.yahoomail...@web65905.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 ?My little found positive kitten, now growing cat I found was neutered last week. He came thru ok.? As a precaution, the vet gave fluids during the surgery b/c his bloodwork showed slightly elevated in one of the kidney function areas which the vet thought might be due to dehydration. Sadly, he tested positive under the IFA test after testing positive under ELISA in Nov. But he?seems ok. Unfortunately I have to keep him isolated.?Both tests were sent out, the ELISA cost 55 and the IFA 85. Is this the norm? If I didn't have other cats, I don't think I would?do routine testing?if the cat was not showing any symptoms and i kept the cat indoors. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail
[Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats
Toni, i enjoyed reading about your family and your tips. I also put a dab of vicks vapor rub on the nose of my cat that had the respiratory infection . I tried Wellness dry cat food but none of my cats would eat it. They like some of the purina one dry food flavors. I tried the Tiki brand b/c I heard it was good but after trying it my cats didn't really want to keep eating it. they liked the tuna and chicken best or plain tuna. I tired purina one canned but they don't really like it that much. They like some of the fancy feast and publix brand and target boots and barclay. I would prefer they ate foods without dyes, etc but they seem to like the junk food. I give them deli low salt turkey for a treat every now and then. Re losing hair years ago I used to use frontline and it took the hair off the area of one of my cat's neck and it didn't grow back for years. some of my cats foamed at the mouth so I just gave up. I use a flea comb on them, drop the fleas in alcohol. I have a cat fence section of my yard and have been treating it with diamateceous earth, supposedly a natural flea killer. I have noticed fewer fleas so i will keep trying. Another issue is kitty litter. My cats hate any scented. Re the corn and hard pellet, they refused to use it. I currently use Dr Eisley but it doesn't absorb as good as it used to. From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:10 PM Subject: Tips to share? On a different subject thought I might share this Re taking cats to vets: I often forget this in the stress of trying to help a sick animal but if you put an t shirt or towel you wore in the carrier with your scent , it seems to calm them. Ask vet staff to put it in their kennels if they are being transferred from the carrier they came in.. Re getting a cat to eat: I recently had three older cats that were sick and were being treated with antibiotics and wouldn't eat. One had upper respiratory congestion. One urinary infection. One reason unknown. They were on antibiotics but still wouldn't eat. Sometimes antibiotics upset stomach. Searched the internet and found a suggestion to put a dab of honey in their mouth. Don't know if coincidence or the antibiotics kicking in but it seemed to help them maybe soothed sore throat or stomach. I only put a dime sized drop on outer lips once or twice . I am not a vet so if you are thinking of trying this,. Check with your vet first, as i did to make sure no harm given your cat's specific condition.. one of the sites mentioning honey is mia-carter.suite101.com/why-isnt-my-cat-eating-a60630 has anyone else had experience with this home remedy? Cat with upper respiratory infection: I also put my cat in the bathroom when i took a steaming shower. I think it really helped.___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats
What hapens with giving them a dab of honey is that it boost the blood sugar so if they might start to eat. It is the sugar, not the texture. I've a rescue group and fosters , we always use honey in cases when a cat stops eating, specially with kittens and anemic cats. Rub honey or Karo on their gums so it is absorbed by the skin, sugar goes directly in their bloodstream w/o having to use energy to break up what they swallowed. Also give sugar water by syringe, shoot in cheek pouch. I wished the good foods were more palatable to cats, mine don't like them either but they love Purina cat chow and Fancy Feast..like ppl we are not too atracted to health food though;) Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 2/24/12, dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 10:58 PM Toni, i enjoyed reading about your family and your tips. I also put a dab of vicks vapor rub on the nose of my cat that had the respiratory infection . I tried Wellness dry cat food but none of my cats would eat it. They like some of the purina one dry food flavors. I tried the Tiki brand b/c I heard it was good but after trying it my cats didn't really want to keep eating it. they liked the tuna and chicken best or plain tuna. I tired purina one canned but they don't really like it that much. They like some of the fancy feast and publix brand and target boots and barclay. I would prefer they ate foods without dyes, etc but they seem to like the junk food. I give them deli low salt turkey for a treat every now and then. Re losing hair years ago I used to use frontline and it took the hair off the area of one of my cat's neck and it didn't grow back for years. some of my cats foamed at the mouth so I just gave up. I use a flea comb on them, drop the fleas in alcohol. I have a cat fence section of my yard and have been treating it with diamateceous earth, supposedly a natural flea killer. I have noticed fewer fleas so i will keep trying. Another issue is kitty litter. My cats hate any scented. Re the corn and hard pellet, they refused to use it. I currently use Dr Eisley but it doesn't absorb as good as it used to. From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:10 PM Subject: Tips to share? On a different subject thought I might share this Re taking cats to vets: I often forget this in the stress of trying to help a sick animal but if you put an t shirt or towel you wore in the carrier with your scent , it seems to calm them. Ask vet staff to put it in their kennels if they are being transferred from the carrier they came in.. Re getting a cat to eat: I recently had three older cats that were sick and were being treated with antibiotics and wouldn't eat. One had upper respiratory congestion. One urinary infection. One reason unknown. They were on antibiotics but still wouldn't eat. Sometimes antibiotics upset stomach. Searched the internet and found a suggestion to put a dab of honey in their mouth. Don't know if coincidence or the antibiotics kicking in but it seemed to help them maybe soothed sore throat or stomach. I only put a dime sized drop on outer lips once or twice . I am not a vet so if you are thinking of trying this,. Check with your vet first, as i did to make sure no harm given your cat's specific condition.. one of the sites mentioning honey is mia-carter.suite101.com/why-isnt-my-cat-eating-a60630 has anyone else had experience with this home remedy? Cat with upper respiratory infection: I also put my cat in the bathroom when i took a steaming shower. I think it really helped. -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats
I lnow someone who used Coke in an emergency. Hey it had sugar it worked! Marta Gasper marta.gas...@yahoo.com wrote: What hapens with giving them a dab of honey is that it boost the blood sugar so if they might start to eat. It is the sugar, not the texture. I've a rescue group and fosters , we always use honey in cases when a cat stops eating, specially with kittens and anemic cats. Rub honey or Karo on their gums so it is absorbed by the skin, sugar goes directly in their bloodstream w/o having to use energy to break up what they swallowed. Also give sugar water by syringe, shoot in cheek pouch. I wished the good foods were more palatable to cats, mine don't like them either but they love Purina cat chow and Fancy Feast..like ppl we are not too atracted to health food though;) Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 2/24/12, dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com wrote: From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 10:58 PM Toni, i enjoyed reading about your family and your tips. I also put a dab of vicks vapor rub on the nose of my cat that had the respiratory infection . I tried Wellness dry cat food but none of my cats would eat it. They like some of the purina one dry food flavors. I tried the Tiki brand b/c I heard it was good but after trying it my cats didn't really want to keep eating it. they liked the tuna and chicken best or plain tuna. I tired purina one canned but they don't really like it that much. They like some of the fancy feast and publix brand and target boots and barclay. I would prefer they ate foods without dyes, etc but they seem to like the junk food. I give them deli low salt turkey for a treat every now and then. Re losing hair years ago I used to use frontline and it took the hair off the area of one of my cat's neck and it didn't grow back for years. some of my cats foamed at the mouth so I just gave up. I use a flea comb on them, drop the fleas in alcohol. I have a cat fence section of my yard and have been treating it with diamateceous earth, supposedly a natural flea killer. I have noticed fewer fleas so i will keep trying. Another issue is kitty litter. My cats hate any scented. Re the corn and hard pellet, they refused to use it. I currently use Dr Eisley but it doesn't absorb as good as it used to. From: dppl dppl dppl1...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:10 PM Subject: Tips to share? On a different subject thought I might share this Re taking cats to vets: I often forget this in the stress of trying to help a sick animal but if you put an t shirt or towel you wore in the carrier with your scent , it seems to calm them. Ask vet staff to put it in their kennels if they are being transferred from the carrier they came in.. Re getting a cat to eat: I recently had three older cats that were sick and were being treated with antibiotics and wouldn't eat. One had upper respiratory congestion. One urinary infection. One reason unknown. They were on antibiotics but still wouldn't eat. Sometimes antibiotics upset stomach. Searched the internet and found a suggestion to put a dab of honey in their mouth. Don't know if coincidence or the antibiotics kicking in but it seemed to help them maybe soothed sore throat or stomach. I only put a dime sized drop on outer lips once or twice . I am not a vet so if you are thinking of trying this,. Check with your vet first, as i did to make sure no harm given your cat's specific condition.. one of the sites mentioning honey is mia-carter.suite101.com/why-isnt-my-cat-eating-a60630 has anyone else had experience with this home remedy? Cat with upper respiratory infection: I also put my cat in the bathroom when i took a steaming shower. I think it really helped. -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have 1 felv+ and 4 felv-, all living togeather for the last 4 1/2 years. The negatives have been vaccinated, and have never gotten it from my Tigger! They play, sleep and do basically everything togeather!! AND they love eachother's company! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Vaccinating cats for anything when their immune systems are seriously compromised can be very dangerous! I have also known friends with cats that were routinely vaccinated against FeLV that developed all kinds of cancers - coincidence or not, it does happen. Natlie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of create_me_...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging was a big reason I chose to mix. At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old have other medical issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas. Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the Info should be looked at each person has to make the choice they know they can live with. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone remember that. -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm
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I know of several instances of the same thing happening Natalie in addition to two kittens I personally adopted devloping FIP after vaccines which is why I feel so strongly about vaccines. Also, there seems to be a higher occurance of injection site sarcomas when the felv vaccine is combined with the rabies vaccine. fyi -Original Message- From: Natalie Sent: 10/15/2010 1:37:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Vaccinating cats for anything when their immune systems are seriously compromised can be very dangerous! I have also known friends with cats that were routinely vaccinated against FeLV that developed all kinds of cancers - coincidence or not, it does happen. Natlie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of create_me_...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging was a big reason I chose to mix. At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old have other medical issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas. Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the Info should be looked at each person has to make the choice they know they can live with. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone remember that. -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia
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My veterinarian NEVER vaccinates cats at the time of surgery, illness...unlike many vets who insist on vaccinating no matter how ill the cats are.Cat owners do not bother finding out which vaccines to choose or not, depending on a cat's lifestylemany blindly accept a vet's vaccine protocolgetting FeLV and FIV vaccines when it isn't warranted, neither going outside or exposed to other cats who might have it.I have yet to see a vet who adheres to the latest protocol for FVRCP instead of yearly, every three years. It's all about the money with many vets.Personally, I have not have cats with injection site sarcomas, nor from FeLV vaccines - have never used them yet. I have only two healthy FeLV+ cats that are very healthy. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 11:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I know of several instances of the same thing happening Natalie in addition to two kittens I personally adopted devloping FIP after vaccines which is why I feel so strongly about vaccines. Also, there seems to be a higher occurance of injection site sarcomas when the felv vaccine is combined with the rabies vaccine. fyi -Original Message- From: Natalie Sent: 10/15/2010 1:37:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Vaccinating cats for anything when their immune systems are seriously compromised can be very dangerous! I have also known friends with cats that were routinely vaccinated against FeLV that developed all kinds of cancers - coincidence or not, it does happen. Natlie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of create_me_...@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging was a big reason I chose to mix. At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old have other medical issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas. Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the Info should be looked at each person has to make the choice they know they can live with. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone remember that. -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Fur kids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss
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it isn't that bad, i don't spend as much as it sounds. mostly keep them healthy and you don't have too many vet calls. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Man, I bet the vets love us... - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing MY VET ADVISED ME TO KEEP THE NEGATIVES SEPERATED UNTIL THEIR VACCINATION HAD TIME TO TAKE EFFECT. SINCE THEN, MY POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES ARE MIXED. COURSE, YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP TO DATE ON SHOTS FOR THE NEGATIVES, JUST TO BE SURE. ALL OF MY CHILDREN ARE DOING WELL. KEPING THEM APART IS SO STRESSFUL EXPECIALLY IF THERE IS ONLY ONE POSITIVE. I THINK THAT HURTS THEM MORE THAN LETTING THEM MIX. WE KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON EVERYONE AND WHEN SOMEONE ACTS A BIT DIFFERENT, OFF TO THE VET WE GO. THAT WAY WE CAN CATCH A PROBLEM BEFORE IT GETS TOO BIG. create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging was a big reason I chose to mix. At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old have other medical issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas. Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the Info should be looked at each person has to make the choice they know they can live with. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone remember that. -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he
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Melinda, Well, this is my opinion and experience with having FELV kitties in the past but don'tany now. My first personal experience was back in mid part of1999 I got a kitten that I named Taz was FELV and he died in January 2002. He had it in his bone marrow.He diedfrom secondary illnesses. Spent a lot of money on him to try andsave him money was not a factor. My husband and I didn't care did whatever it took. Anyway, I had other personal kitties both young and older adults that lived with this kitten up to his passing. They played, ate, shared litter boxes, bathe, and slept together during this time. My other kitties were vaccinated every year and some were not this was due to the age since I had a few seniors at the time when they passed they did not die of FELV. I have to say no one tested positive during and after he died. I lost my eldest cat back in March of 2010 that personally took care of Taz when he was alive. She did not die of FELV. She was 21 years old and went into kidney failure. I was with her when she died. My conclusion is that no one came down with FELV. So I guess my point is it is you that can make the decision of whether you want to mix or not. There are some of us on this group that do mix and some that do not. I do not have the fear of having a FELV kitty and mixing with my personal cats. In rescue I donot mix this is for safety reasons. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUESultan, WA. 98294Terrie Mohr-Forkerhttp://tazzys.org/Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] MixingFrom: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.comDate: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:14 amTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgOK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I "rescued" a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories!Thanks,Melinda, Fuji and Shadow___Felvtalk mailing listFelvtalk@felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Melinda Beautiful story, thank you. I'm beginning to think each FeLV case is a little different -- maybe varying degrees of infection, or locale of infection, I don't know. My mantra is, better safe than sorry. You obviously loved Taz very much. My condolensces on his passing. I too once had a 21 year old cat who was an amazing kitty. May all our cats live to 21 -- or longer! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: ter...@tazzys.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Melinda, Well, this is my opinion and experience with having FELV kitties in the past but don't any now. My first personal experience was back in mid part of1999 I got a kitten that I named Taz was FELV and he died in January 2002. He had it in his bone marrow. He died from secondary illnesses. Spent a lot of money on him to try and save him money was not a factor. My husband and I didn't care did whatever it took. Anyway, I had other personal kitties both young and older adults that lived with this kitten up to his passing. They played, ate, shared litter boxes, bathe, and slept together during this time. My other kitties were vaccinated every year and some were not this was due to the age since I had a few seniors at the time when they passed they did not die of FELV. I have to say no one tested positive during and after he died. I lost my eldest cat back in March of 2010 that personally took care of Taz when he was alive. She did not die of FELV. She was 21 years old and went into kidney failure. I was with her when she died. My conclusion is that no one came down with FELV. So I guess my point is it is you that can make the decision of whether you want to mix or not. There are some of us on this group that do mix and some that do not. I do not have the fear of having a FELV kitty and mixing with my personal cats. In rescue I do not mix this is for safety reasons. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com Date: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:14 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I think everyone must understand that ANY vaccine is at best only 80% effective! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous disease. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree, my vet told us we could try the vaccine, but it would be best to get another felv cat. They refer the shot to people who already have more than one cat in there household and find out that one is infected.. so they don't have to rid of any there pets, but if you can save another felv why not? From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 2:18:35 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I think everyone must understand that ANY vaccine is at best only 80% effective! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Michelle Brockman Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous disease. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you Tazzy for your positive story. We are already so attached and I am so torn. I certainly don't want to make this sweet baby sick! I believe that Shadow (our current name choice may change!) chose us for a reason! My husband never would have considered another cat if this one hadn't called out to him while we were taking a walk. I waited 2 full days before checking to see if the police had picked him up. Sure enough he was. I don't know why I knew it was meant to be, but it definitely was. Fuji is really curious about him and I believe they will be good friends. I plan to take every precaution including separate litter boxes and food bowls until he is older. Thank you all for your stories of mixing. Melinda, Fuji and Shadow On 15 Oct, 2010,at 12:30 AM, ter...@tazzys.org wrote: Melinda, Well, this is my opinion and experience with having FELV kitties in the past but don't any now. My first personal experience was back in mid part of1999 I got a kitten that I named Taz was FELV and he died in January 2002. He had it in his bone marrow. He died from secondary illnesses. Spent a lot of money on him to try and save him money was not a factor. My husband and I didn't care did whatever it took. Anyway, I had other personal kitties both young and older adults that lived with this kitten up to his passing. They played, ate, shared litter boxes, bathe, and slept together during this time. My other kitties were vaccinated every year and some were not this was due to the age since I had a few seniors at the time when they passed they did not die of FELV. I have to say no one tested positive during and after he died. I lost my eldest cat back in March of 2010 that personally took care of Taz when he was alive. She did not die of FELV. She was 21 years old and went into kidney failure. I was with her when she died. My conclusion is that no one came down with FELV. So I guess my point is it is you that can make the decision of whether you want to mix or not. There are some of us on this group that do mix and some that do not. I do not have the fear of having a FELV kitty and mixing with my personal cats. In rescue I do not mix this is for safety reasons. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com Date: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:14 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have to say my experience is pretty much the same as Terrie's. With my first FeLV kitties, Calawalla Banana Booboo and Mr Black Kitty, I was pretty paranoid. I think it was 2001. But even the vet reassured mr that the virus wasn't that contagious. I relaxed a bit. At some point I decided to mix and have never had a problem. My friend Susan - we're in the same rescue - has the same experience. Gloria Little Rock, Ar Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 10:30 AM, ter...@tazzys.org wrote: Melinda, Well, this is my opinion and experience with having FELV kitties in the past but don't any now. My first personal experience was back in mid part of1999 I got a kitten that I named Taz was FELV and he died in January 2002. He had it in his bone marrow. He died from secondary illnesses. Spent a lot of money on him to try and save him money was not a factor. My husband and I didn't care did whatever it took. Anyway, I had other personal kitties both young and older adults that lived with this kitten up to his passing. They played, ate, shared litter boxes, bathe, and slept together during this time. My other kitties were vaccinated every year and some were not this was due to the age since I had a few seniors at the time when they passed they did not die of FELV. I have to say no one tested positive during and after he died. I lost my eldest cat back in March of 2010 that personally took care of Taz when he was alive. She did not die of FELV. She was 21 years old and went into kidney failure. I was with her when she died. My conclusion is that no one came down with FELV. So I guess my point is it is you that can make the decision of whether you want to mix or not. There are some of us on this group that do mix and some that do not. I do not have the fear of having a FELV kitty and mixing with my personal cats. In rescue I do not mix this is for safety reasons. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com Date: Wed, October 13, 2010 2:14 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous disease. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where
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Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone remember that. -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous disease. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji
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Yes, vaccines can be damaging. The stress of keeping the cats separated can be damaging as well. Stress on the cats was a big factor in me mixing mine. It is a choice you have to make - weigh your options, talk to your vet, talk to others make the decision you are comfortable with. At this point my negative cats are all about 9-10 years old have other medical issues which will probably get them 1st. If they get FeLV I am not going to feel horrible or second guess myself. If they get vaccine sarcomas I am not going to hate myself. They were all rescued from the streets have all had lots of love good lives. This is a decision I am comfortable with. Everyone has to make the informed decision they know they will not regret. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 10/14/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 7:31 PM Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone remember that. -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous disease
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Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging was a big reason I chose to mix. At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old have other medical issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas. Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the Info should be looked at each person has to make the choice they know they can live with. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone remember that. -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous disease. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want
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MY VET ADVISED ME TO KEEP THE NEGATIVES SEPERATED UNTIL THEIR VACCINATION HAD TIME TO TAKE EFFECT. SINCE THEN, MY POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES ARE MIXED. COURSE, YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP TO DATE ON SHOTS FOR THE NEGATIVES, JUST TO BE SURE. ALL OF MY CHILDREN ARE DOING WELL. KEPING THEM APART IS SO STRESSFUL EXPECIALLY IF THERE IS ONLY ONE POSITIVE. I THINK THAT HURTS THEM MORE THAN LETTING THEM MIX. WE KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON EVERYONE AND WHEN SOMEONE ACTS A BIT DIFFERENT, OFF TO THE VET WE GO. THAT WAY WE CAN CATCH A PROBLEM BEFORE IT GETS TOO BIG. create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging was a big reason I chose to mix. At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old have other medical issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas. Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the Info should be looked at each person has to make the choice they know they can live with. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone remember that. -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my
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Man, I bet the vets love us... - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing MY VET ADVISED ME TO KEEP THE NEGATIVES SEPERATED UNTIL THEIR VACCINATION HAD TIME TO TAKE EFFECT. SINCE THEN, MY POSITIVES AND NEGATIVES ARE MIXED. COURSE, YOU HAVE TO KEEP UP TO DATE ON SHOTS FOR THE NEGATIVES, JUST TO BE SURE. ALL OF MY CHILDREN ARE DOING WELL. KEPING THEM APART IS SO STRESSFUL EXPECIALLY IF THERE IS ONLY ONE POSITIVE. I THINK THAT HURTS THEM MORE THAN LETTING THEM MIX. WE KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON EVERYONE AND WHEN SOMEONE ACTS A BIT DIFFERENT, OFF TO THE VET WE GO. THAT WAY WE CAN CATCH A PROBLEM BEFORE IT GETS TOO BIG. create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, it can be. Stress can also be damaging was a big reason I chose to mix. At this point my negative cats are all 9-10 yrs old have other medical issues which will probably get them way before FeLV or Vaccine sarcomas. Again, it is a personal choice which should not be made lightly. All the Info should be looked at each person has to make the choice they know they can live with. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:31:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing Over vaccinating can also be damaging in its own right. Please everyone remember that. -Original Message- From: Beth Sent: 10/14/2010 11:16:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I mixed my cats on the ADVICE OF MY VET. She vaccinated my negatives, including my FIV+ cat every 6 months. I had 5 negatives 5 positives who shared everything. I even had one cat live for many months in one room with one of my negatives. All negative cats have been re-tested several times over the years NONE have turned positive. Including my FIV cat, who obviously had a depressed immune system. He lived for many years after the FeLV cats passed away. I don't think I am a bad person for doing that. It was not a decision lightly reached I took every initial precaution to make sure my negatives cats were protected. I would never tell someone to mix - that is a personal decision should be discussed with a vet. Before I mixed any of my cats I got my negatives re-vaccinated, waited 3 weeks, got them boostered, waited another week, then let them mix. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Michelle Brockman teals...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 11:54 PM I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do
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OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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When I adopted my Mandy, I had six other kitties. When I found (the day after I picked her up) that she was positive, I did keep her separated from the other six until I got all their vaccinations up to date. After that, per my vet's opinion/advice, I let them all interact. Mandy passed away about 2 years later but no one else has gotten sick (and Mandy's been gone for a year now). Pat - Original Message - From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you. I was hoping to hear it would be ok. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2010, at 6:19 PM, Pat Kachur katn...@charter.net wrote: When I adopted my Mandy, I had six other kitties. When I found (the day after I picked her up) that she was positive, I did keep her separated from the other six until I got all their vaccinations up to date. After that, per my vet's opinion/advice, I let them all interact. Mandy passed away about 2 years later but no one else has gotten sick (and Mandy's been gone for a year now). Pat - Original Message - From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I rescued a litter of 5, 1 tested positive and was quarantined, and died of FIP at 12 weeks old. One of the negatives became sick soon after, was retested, and he was now positive. He had no contact with his sick sister between tests. I began to get his negative siblings vaccinated, but did not seperate them from their remaining positive sibling, as they had already been exposed anyway. I did keep the whole group seperate from my original adult cat. I didn't let them mix with her for many months, not until the vaccine had been boostered and and another FeLV test had been done. The positive remained positive for the 3.5 years I had him, and the negatives have remained negative. Best wishes, Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It all seems as though fate has hand, doesn't it? Thank you for the response. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 13, 2010, at 9:54 PM, Beth Noren maxgoodb...@gmail.com wrote: I rescued a litter of 5, 1 tested positive and was quarantined, and died of FIP at 12 weeks old. One of the negatives became sick soon after, was retested, and he was now positive. He had no contact with his sick sister between tests. I began to get his negative siblings vaccinated, but did not seperate them from their remaining positive sibling, as they had already been exposed anyway. I did keep the whole group seperate from my original adult cat. I didn't let them mix with her for many months, not until the vaccine had been boostered and and another FeLV test had been done. The positive remained positive for the 3.5 years I had him, and the negatives have remained negative. Best wishes, Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
Melinda, mixing is an individual decision. I had negative kitties when I first started rescuing kittens in 2007. 2 of the first 3 were positive. Once the negative was current on the vaccine (original shot and booster 30 days later) I mixed mine with no ill effects. I had a total of 6 positive indoors with my negatives. The positives are all gone now and my negatives are still negative. Other than Stormie all my negatives were adults. Age seems to make a difference. Adult cats seem to have a natural immunity whereas kittens seem to be more susceptible. Stormie was approx. 16 weeks old when I rescued her and the vaccine did protect her. She is now a very healthy 4 yo. Sharyl --- On Wed, 10/13/10, Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com wrote: From: Melinda Kerr msk...@me.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 5:14 AM OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
This is very interesting... I have been isolating Lucky, my mom's cat, for 4 weeks now. I let him out of his room to sniff the house and let the other cat see him. It is mostly going well (but he hates being stuck inside). I am having him retested next Monday, which will be 5 weeks from the original test. I'm asking for the IFA (?) test this time. If he is positive, I am going to have a mobile vet come in and vaccinate my 3 adult cats before he can integrate. If he is negative, he'll be immediately released from his isolation. Either way, they will all eventually have to live together. Reading your story gives me confirmation on my idea. I guess more isolation is better than not enough, even if Lucky doesn't like it! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth Noren maxgoodb...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I rescued a litter of 5, 1 tested positive and was quarantined, and died of FIP at 12 weeks old. One of the negatives became sick soon after, was retested, and he was now positive. He had no contact with his sick sister between tests. I began to get his negative siblings vaccinated, but did not seperate them from their remaining positive sibling, as they had already been exposed anyway. I did keep the whole group seperate from my original adult cat. I didn't let them mix with her for many months, not until the vaccine had been boostered and and another FeLV test had been done. The positive remained positive for the 3.5 years I had him, and the negatives have remained negative. Best wishes, Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous disease. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous disease. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing
I would like to add that the vaccines are NOT foolproof and do not have 100% efficacy. I have personally had 11 cats that I rescued with FeLv die a terrible death and would never expose a healthy non-positive cat to the virus knowingly, regardless of how many people may have been lucky with mixing so far. The virus can be spread through saliva which means continual shared eating and drinking quarters and grooming. It can also be passed on in litterboxes so it isn't just fighting you have to consider. I am a very positive person and love all animals regardless of their infliction but could never imagine why anyone would want to risk endangering their other pets, vaccine or not. -Original Message- From: Melinda Kerr Sent: 10/14/2010 1:37:27 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing I'm sorry for your loss. I've only had my Fuji for a little over a year and every time I think about losing her it breaks my heart. Thank you for sharing. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: I had 6 negative cats when Buzzy came to me. He tested positive in January of 2008. At that time Casper was about 4 years old. I had all my positive cats vaccinated and released Buzz into the general population in April of 2008. In July I took in another positive and in September still another positive. Buzzy died in November of anemia, a common FeLV problem. I kept all the negative cats up to date on their vaccines. In December of 2009 Casper started sneezing quite a bit. He went through a round of antibiotics and got better for a while but then the sneezing came back and he was on meds again. Some time in February he just didn't seem like himself and I took him to the vet again. That was when they decided to test him for feline leukemia. He was positive, anemic and I lost him in April of 2010. I am fairly sure he started out negative because whenever I bring another cat into the household the first thing I do is take them to the vet to be checked out. Others here have said that in spite of that he was probably positive when I brought him into my home, but he spent about two years with me before he was ever exposed to a FeLV+ cat. I believe that if I had never mixed my positives and negatives Casper would still be alive. I'm sorry to be the one with the bad news, but it is better to understand that there is a risk and that feline leukemia is a horrible and dangerous disease. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Melinda Kerr Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:15 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing OK, I know I am going to get some really strong opinions on this one. What I really want is positive feedback from people who have mixed positives and negatives. My Fuji contacted her FeLV from her mom and it didn't show up on her initial test. We did not know she was positive until a mediastinal mass developed when she was almost a year old. She now receives chemo and is doing really well. Since her first treatment in July, she has never shown any signs of being sick. Today, I rescued a stray that I thought for certain would be positive. However, the initial test was negative. I have the cats separated and intend to vaccinate as soon as one of my vets gets the vaccine in. They have been introduced to each other and seem as though they will get along quite well. Fuji is not a fighter and I cannot see her biting him. Neither of my vets seem to think that mixing them will be a problem. I read the old threads and saw that many of you have mixed with great results. I did not see any stories of mixing where a vaccinated negative became positive. I'm looking for stories of success or failure. Please share your stories! Thanks, Melinda, Fuji and Shadow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: to Paola - Mixing positives negatives
Paola, here is my two cents worth. i have 8 cats, 2 are felv+. my vet said as long as the negatives are up to date on their shots and the positives are not stressed out, have good food and given good care, there should not be any problem. been 2 years + and still no problem. they have hissing/slapping encounters, but no real biting. everyone is fat, sassy and healthy, especially the felv+ girls. of course, they were all at least 1yr old when i got them, not kittens. i did rescue 2 kittens headed for animal control (take them out along the highway and shoot them) and i could not let that happen. they were healthy, but i kept them seperate from others until they had their kitten shots completed. since then, they rule the house. my babies all go in and out since i live in the middle of the woods, not a lot of traffic on my gravel road. they come in at night because of coyotes, etc. going out gives all a way to work off the excess energy and be prepared for a full night's rest. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Paola - In the past I have always mixed my positives negatives. I did this on the advice of my vet, who said I would simply stress the positives by keeping them separate. I vaccinated my negatives every 6 months, again, on the advice of my vet. One of my FeLV negatives was an FIV+ in all the years I mixed, none of my negatives, including my FIV cat, ever go the FeLV. Right now I do not mix simply because one of my negative cats has Stomatitis I recently spent $3,000 saving his life from Hemobartonella, which we believe he got from a depressed immune system because of the steroids he is on. So, understandably, I am paranoid right now about exposing him to anything else. But when I did mix (and I had 5 positives 5 negatives for a long while), I didn't separate them in any way. They all shared food, water, litter; they groomed each other, etc. All my negatives have been retested several times over the years have remained negative. I even had a foster kitten who had FeLV died from FIP. He lived in my bedroom with one of my negative cats for months. My cat never got the FeLV or the FIP. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 7/13/10, paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com wrote: From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 12:17 AM a question, I saw posts from 2 people having FeLV+ cats in the house with non affected cats. How do you gys manage that? I just rescued a stray that turned out to be incredibly sweet and FeLV+ but I have 6 others that are indoor/outdoor so they are all vaccinated for FeLV but since it's not 100% I am keeping rescue kitty in the garage and hoping to find someone with a closed household willing to take him as a sole cat or an additional cat to a household with another FeLV+ cat. Having no luck so far (found a possible person with 2 infected cats in NY but I'm in Los Angeles) I'm looking into what I must do if I keep him and for this I also joined this listserv. Do you have them mingle? I figure food dishes should definitely be kept separate. My cats are indoor/outdoor and I caught a feral last year who was also FeLV+ so I'm thinking it's been going around and if they were likely to catch it they might have already done so? I know it's not an exact science but this cat's desperate about being left alone in a room, I sit with him for a while but when I leave he cries for a really long time. Sorry for the long post. thanks Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: to Paola - Mixing positives negatives
Thanks you all so much for your input. It's really helpful to know it can work. All my cats are adults and indoor/outdoor hence they were vaccinated and chances are they've mingled in places where FeLV+ cats had been.. hopefully it means it's working and/or they are immune. I will exercise caution just the same as one is also Diabetic. Thanks you so much and kudos to all of you for also not giving up on a kitty just because they are infected with this terrible disease. Paola From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, July 16, 2010 7:41:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: to Paola - Mixing positives negatives Paola, here is my two cents worth. i have 8 cats, 2 are felv+. my vet said as long as the negatives are up to date on their shots and the positives are not stressed out, have good food and given good care, there should not be any problem. been 2 years + and still no problem. they have hissing/slapping encounters, but no real biting. everyone is fat, sassy and healthy, especially the felv+ girls. of course, they were all at least 1yr old when i got them, not kittens. i did rescue 2 kittens headed for animal control (take them out along the highway and shoot them) and i could not let that happen. they were healthy, but i kept them seperate from others until they had their kitten shots completed. since then, they rule the house. my babies all go in and out since i live in the middle of the woods, not a lot of traffic on my gravel road. they come in at night because of coyotes, etc. going out gives all a way to work off the excess energy and be prepared for a full night's rest. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Paola - In the past I have always mixed my positives negatives. I did this on the advice of my vet, who said I would simply stress the positives by keeping them separate. I vaccinated my negatives every 6 months, again, on the advice of my vet. One of my FeLV negatives was an FIV+ in all the years I mixed, none of my negatives, including my FIV cat, ever go the FeLV. Right now I do not mix simply because one of my negative cats has Stomatitis I recently spent $3,000 saving his life from Hemobartonella, which we believe he got from a depressed immune system because of the steroids he is on. So, understandably, I am paranoid right now about exposing him to anything else. But when I did mix (and I had 5 positives 5 negatives for a long while), I didn't separate them in any way. They all shared food, water, litter; they groomed each other, etc. All my negatives have been retested several times over the years have remained negative. I even had a foster kitten who had FeLV died from FIP. He lived in my bedroom with one of my negative cats for months. My cat never got the FeLV or the FIP. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 7/13/10, paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com wrote: From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 12:17 AM a question, I saw posts from 2 people having FeLV+ cats in the house with non affected cats. How do you gys manage that? I just rescued a stray that turned out to be incredibly sweet and FeLV+ but I have 6 others that are indoor/outdoor so they are all vaccinated for FeLV but since it's not 100% I am keeping rescue kitty in the garage and hoping to find someone with a closed household willing to take him as a sole cat or an additional cat to a household with another FeLV+ cat. Having no luck so far (found a possible person with 2 infected cats in NY but I'm in Los Angeles) I'm looking into what I must do if I keep him and for this I also joined this listserv. Do you have them mingle? I figure food dishes should definitely be kept separate. My cats are indoor/outdoor and I caught a feral last year who was also FeLV+ so I'm thinking it's been going around and if they were likely to catch it they might have already done so? I know it's not an exact science but this cat's desperate about being left alone in a room, I sit with him for a while but when I leave he cries for a really long time. Sorry for the long post. thanks Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fw: Re: to Paola - Mixing positives negatives
Paola - In the past I have always mixed my positives negatives. I did this on the advice of my vet, who said I would simply stress the positives by keeping them separate. I vaccinated my negatives every 6 months, again, on the advice of my vet. One of my FeLV negatives was an FIV+ in all the years I mixed, none of my negatives, including my FIV cat, ever go the FeLV. Right now I do not mix simply because one of my negative cats has Stomatitis I recently spent $3,000 saving his life from Hemobartonella, which we believe he got from a depressed immune system because of the steroids he is on. So, understandably, I am paranoid right now about exposing him to anything else. But when I did mix (and I had 5 positives 5 negatives for a long while), I didn't separate them in any way. They all shared food, water, litter; they groomed each other, etc. All my negatives have been retested several times over the years have remained negative. I even had a foster kitten who had FeLV died from FIP. He lived in my bedroom with one of my negative cats for months. My cat never got the FeLV or the FIP. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Tue, 7/13/10, paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com wrote: From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2010, 12:17 AM a question, I saw posts from 2 people having FeLV+ cats in the house with non affected cats. How do you gys manage that? I just rescued a stray that turned out to be incredibly sweet and FeLV+ but I have 6 others that are indoor/outdoor so they are all vaccinated for FeLV but since it's not 100% I am keeping rescue kitty in the garage and hoping to find someone with a closed household willing to take him as a sole cat or an additional cat to a household with another FeLV+ cat. Having no luck so far (found a possible person with 2 infected cats in NY but I'm in Los Angeles) I'm looking into what I must do if I keep him and for this I also joined this listserv. Do you have them mingle? I figure food dishes should definitely be kept separate. My cats are indoor/outdoor and I caught a feral last year who was also FeLV+ so I'm thinking it's been going around and if they were likely to catch it they might have already done so? I know it's not an exact science but this cat's desperate about being left alone in a room, I sit with him for a while but when I leave he cries for a really long time. Sorry for the long post. thanks Paola ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sandra mixing FeLV+ and -
I agree. I would also vaccinate the new kitten for distemper series. People worry about their other kitties getting FeLV but the FeLV+ kitty is also at risk of catching an upper respiratory infection from the other cat because of her compromised immune system. I would not introduce them until your other cat has had the FeLV vaccine booster (2-4 weeks after first vaccination). L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 8:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Bella 3/4/09-7/9/09 Sandra I would go with the felv vaccine for your other cat.Better to give them that defense than risk getting the disease. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way --- On Tue, 7/14/09, Sandra Brunner gopila...@gmail.com wrote: From: Sandra Brunner gopila...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Baby Bella 3/4/09-7/9/09 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, July 14, 2009, 8:29 PM I'd be interested in getting this advice as well! I have a 7month old FeLV positive kitten. No symptoms or illness. And if she doesn't find a loving home by August (not likely - given the deluge of cats out there!), I'm going to integrate her with my non FeLV cat (7 years old and healthy). What can I do to keep them both as healthy and as safe as possible? Also, the 7 year old has never had a FeLV vaccination before. The vet recommends it... but I've heard there are also issues with the vaccine... help? Feel free to email me directly - gopila...@gmail.com with suggestions/advice! Sandra On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Orth, Saraiorth...@dshs.wa.gov wrote: I subscribed to this mailing just a few weeks ago when I found out that my 2 kittens were FeLV positive. I committed to caring for them though the first vet (who since I have since stopped going to) told me to have them put down and spare myself the agony and financial burden. My girl kitty, Bella, 4 months old had a pretty bad herpes infection with a fever of 105 for over two weeks. She stopped eating her hard food and I so I was spoon feeding her baby food to try to get her to gain weight. She was also on antibiotics- She had good days and bad days, it was quite the roller coaster for those weeks. She seemed to be doing better this past week- interacting more, eating lots, etc. Then all of a sudden, in the middle of the night on Wednesday, her neurological system went haywire. She began biting herself uncontrollably, running into walls, stumbling around and she lost most of her vision. Within 6 hours of the symptoms beginning, we were forced to love enough to let her go. Our new vet was wonderful and helped us through the whole process with kindness. He thinks that the leukemia went systemic and settled in her brain. It feels like it happened so fast. While we are still grieving our loss, we are also very worried about our other kitten. While he is FeLV positive, he has not had any clinical issues. He seems perfectly normal, loving and active. I am wondering if there are others out there with a not sick FELV kitty and if so, what kind of measures are you taking to help increase their chance of making it through this? Our vet said that if he makes it to 6 months old, we may be able to re-test to see if he has suppressed the virus. He is just over 4 months old now and has lost his sister, which has been very stressful on him. He is an indoors only kitty. We also have him taking Lysine (to keep herpes symptoms at bay) and Pet-tinic (vitamins). ~Sarai ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 3:23 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote: i'll look it up in the morning, but i've NEVER seen a figure higher than about 6%--incidence of FIV is very low too. it's VERY misleading when they keep saying that FIV and FeLV are the most common fatal viruses affecting cats. most common is just not the same thing as common... or widespread! On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote: MC what is the incidence of FELV, do you have any info on that? Gloria -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg
Thanks for your post Carmen. It was very comforting. Vets are entirely too quick to suggest euthanasia for FelV pos. cats. This fall I adopted out a FelV pos kitten to a wonderful couple who also had two other cats, not positive for FelV. The first vet at their cinic told them not to take the kitten, so they brought him back to me with tears in their eyes. Then two weeks later they returned to get the kitten, because the other vet in that clinic they go to told them to get their neg. cats vaccinated, and go ahead and bring home the kitten, as it wasn't that contagious. I just visited them yesterday and their positive kitten looks wonderful. He is healthy and happy and has a super good home with them. I can thank this second vet who was so much better informed than his partner was. Lorrie On 02-21, Carmen Conklin wrote: I am writing in response to Lauries note about Isabella. I have had several negative FeLV cats that have been mixed with the FeLV positives over the years and NONE of them ever acquired a positive status to the FeLV. It is definitely NOT an airborne disease in any way and it takes a very prolonged exposure for any negative cats to even possibly acquire the FeLV UNLESS they are bitten and direct blood is passed. Most adult cats are simply immune to FeLV and IF exposed at all, simply shed it off-they do not test postive even if living with those kitties. We have worked with hundreds of FeLV kitties over the last 25 years, and the non positives who lived with even the sympomatic positives did not become positive in their long lifetimes. One recently died of old age-not FeLV. Anyway, most people and some vets still have a pretty healthy fear of FeLV, but for those of us who have worked with these wonderful kitties for awhile and have them for companion animals, experience is a great calmer of all fears of FeLV positives. Carmen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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lorrie, thanks for this post. sometimes it may seem as if i'm anti-vet, when i most decidedly am NOT. i am against vets not keeping up with the research when presented with a positive test result. i know that it's totally unrealistic for every vet to be up-to-date on every species' problems, and considering how low the incidence of FeLV actually is, i'm not that surprised when a vet doesn't know for sure what the state-of-the-art is. HOWEVER, when they don't go and look it up, or ask colleagues, and just go for the easy out or spout information that was probably NEVER considered accurate, well, those are the vets i want to go after. back in 2000, when my cats were all inadvertently exposed, i had JUST learned that FeLV wasn't airborne, and that having an infected cat breathe through a screen at my cats wouldn't infect them. it wasn't til a few months later when i was looking to adopt a paralyzed kitty from a vet that i learned that if she vaccinated him with the full series, he'd be fine, even if mine DID come down with the infection later on! i didn't know at that time how incredibly lucky i was to have found such a vet. i'm SO glad to hear stories about the vets who care to find out the answers. please go to www.adopt.bemikitties.com and post this vet's info for all--hopefully, someday, we'll have a full database for whenever anyone gets that first, scary diagnosis.. (i'm moving to a new city, and planning on holding interviews while determining who my vet there will be!) MC On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Thanks for your post Carmen. It was very comforting. Vets are entirely too quick to suggest euthanasia for FelV pos. cats. This fall I adopted out a FelV pos kitten to a wonderful couple who also had two other cats, not positive for FelV. The first vet at their cinic told them not to take the kitten, so they brought him back to me with tears in their eyes. Then two weeks later they returned to get the kitten, because the other vet in that clinic they go to told them to get their neg. cats vaccinated, and go ahead and bring home the kitten, as it wasn't that contagious. I just visited them yesterday and their positive kitten looks wonderful. He is healthy and happy and has a super good home with them. I can thank this second vet who was so much better informed than his partner was. Lorrie On 02-21, Carmen Conklin wrote: I am writing in response to Lauries note about Isabella. I have had several negative FeLV cats that have been mixed with the FeLV positives over the years and NONE of them ever acquired a positive status to the FeLV. It is definitely NOT an airborne disease in any way and it takes a very prolonged exposure for any negative cats to even possibly acquire the FeLV UNLESS they are bitten and direct blood is passed. Most adult cats are simply immune to FeLV and IF exposed at all, simply shed it off-they do not test postive even if living with those kitties. We have worked with hundreds of FeLV kitties over the last 25 years, and the non positives who lived with even the sympomatic positives did not become positive in their long lifetimes. One recently died of old age-not FeLV. Anyway, most people and some vets still have a pretty healthy fear of FeLV, but for those of us who have worked with these wonderful kitties for awhile and have them for companion animals, experience is a great calmer of all fears of FeLV positives. Carmen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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MC what is the incidence of FELV, do you have any info on that? Gloria On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:41 AM, MaryChristine wrote: lorrie, thanks for this post. sometimes it may seem as if i'm anti-vet, when i most decidedly am NOT. i am against vets not keeping up with the research when presented with a positive test result. i know that it's totally unrealistic for every vet to be up-to-date on every species' problems, and considering how low the incidence of FeLV actually is, i'm not that surprised when a vet doesn't know for sure what the state-of-the-art is. HOWEVER, when they don't go and look it up, or ask colleagues, and just go for the easy out or spout information that was probably NEVER considered accurate, well, those are the vets i want to go after. back in 2000, when my cats were all inadvertently exposed, i had JUST learned that FeLV wasn't airborne, and that having an infected cat breathe through a screen at my cats wouldn't infect them. it wasn't til a few months later when i was looking to adopt a paralyzed kitty from a vet that i learned that if she vaccinated him with the full series, he'd be fine, even if mine DID come down with the infection later on! i didn't know at that time how incredibly lucky i was to have found such a vet. i'm SO glad to hear stories about the vets who care to find out the answers. please go to www.adopt.bemikitties.com and post this vet's info for all--hopefully, someday, we'll have a full database for whenever anyone gets that first, scary diagnosis.. (i'm moving to a new city, and planning on holding interviews while determining who my vet there will be!) MC On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Thanks for your post Carmen. It was very comforting. Vets are entirely too quick to suggest euthanasia for FelV pos. cats. This fall I adopted out a FelV pos kitten to a wonderful couple who also had two other cats, not positive for FelV. The first vet at their cinic told them not to take the kitten, so they brought him back to me with tears in their eyes. Then two weeks later they returned to get the kitten, because the other vet in that clinic they go to told them to get their neg. cats vaccinated, and go ahead and bring home the kitten, as it wasn't that contagious. I just visited them yesterday and their positive kitten looks wonderful. He is healthy and happy and has a super good home with them. I can thank this second vet who was so much better informed than his partner was. Lorrie On 02-21, Carmen Conklin wrote: I am writing in response to Lauries note about Isabella. I have had several negative FeLV cats that have been mixed with the FeLV positives over the years and NONE of them ever acquired a positive status to the FeLV. It is definitely NOT an airborne disease in any way and it takes a very prolonged exposure for any negative cats to even possibly acquire the FeLV UNLESS they are bitten and direct blood is passed. Most adult cats are simply immune to FeLV and IF exposed at all, simply shed it off-they do not test postive even if living with those kitties. We have worked with hundreds of FeLV kitties over the last 25 years, and the non positives who lived with even the sympomatic positives did not become positive in their long lifetimes. One recently died of old age-not FeLV. Anyway, most people and some vets still have a pretty healthy fear of FeLV, but for those of us who have worked with these wonderful kitties for awhile and have them for companion animals, experience is a great calmer of all fears of FeLV positives. Carmen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hey MC, where are you moving to? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg
I am writing in response to Lauries note about Isabella. I have had several negative FeLV cats that have been mixed with the FeLV positives over the years and NONE of them ever acquired a positive status to the FeLV. It is definitely NOT an airborne disease in any way and it takes a very prolonged exposure for any negative cats to even possibly acquire the FeLV UNLESS they are bitten and direct blood is passed. Most adult cats are simply immune to FeLV and IF exposed at all, simply shed it off-they do not test postive even if living with those kitties. We have worked with hundreds of FeLV kitties over the last 25 years, and the non positives who lived with even the sympomatic positives did not become positive in their long lifetimes. One recently died of old age-not FeLV. Anyway, most people and some vets still have a pretty healthy fear of FeLV, but for those of us who have worked with these wonderful kitties for awhile and have them for companion animals, experience is a great calmer of all fears of FeLV positives. Carmen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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thanks, carmen. you're much gentler than i in your evaluation of veterinary attitudes, and the damage they do. the more i find of old literature that says what we already know--bout it being bodily-fluids, not air, requiring close consistent contact, how many exposed cats either never become positive or throw the virus off (70%, in the merck veterinary manual), and how many positive kitties live quite happily with negatives, the more unhappy i become with the professionals who have chosen not to follow the literature. the need to retest, and NOT to make life-and-death decisions was taught in at least some vet schools as much as 20 years ago, and the STRONG RECOMMENDATION to retest has been in the professional lit since the early 2000s at least... additionally, there are still no documented cases that i have ever found of a vaccinated truly negative cat (tested negative on both the ELISSA and IFA, at an appropriate interval to rule out exposure) who has ever turned positive from LIVING WITH (as opposed to just visiting or passing in the night) a true positive (also tested more than once.) even at its highest incidence, FeLV only appears in less than 10% of the population natively--if it were as contagious as we are STILL being led to believe, there would be no feral colonies. think about it.. MC On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.netwrote: I am writing in response to Lauries note about Isabella. I have had several negative FeLV cats that have been mixed with the FeLV positives over the years and NONE of them ever acquired a positive status to the FeLV. It is definitely NOT an airborne disease in any way and it takes a very prolonged exposure for any negative cats to even possibly acquire the FeLV UNLESS they are bitten and direct blood is passed. Most adult cats are simply immune to FeLV and IF exposed at all, simply shed it off-they do not test postive even if living with those kitties. We have worked with hundreds of FeLV kitties over the last 25 years, and the non positives who lived with even the sympomatic positives did not become positive in their long lifetimes. One recently died of old age-not FeLV. Anyway, most people and some vets still have a pretty healthy fear of FeLV, but for those of us who have worked with these wonderful kitties for awhile and have them for companion animals, experience is a great calmer of all fears of FeLV positives. Carmen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Mary Christine, I believe, plain and simple that vets realize the huge number of homeless cats, in shelters, in foster and just running wild and simply look at positive or even ill cats as something that should be irradicated. The first thing I was offered when Boo was found to be positive was euthanization. Because we decided not to we saved at least one other cat that I know of from that fate. A family had brought a young cat in to be neutered and were given the news of her being positive and didn't know if they wanted to take on that responsibility. My husband and I knowing Boo would not be around for long said we would take her, being so young and symptom free. After the vet told them about us and our situation they decided they wanted to keep her. They really loved the cat. Our vet even said he wanted to keep her but he had 3 cats at home already. We were the only people who ever went as far as we did to help Boo according to our vet and he became far more educated because of him. I don't fault the vets. Most ordinary uninformed people will elect not to keep the cat so a lot of vets just don't have the experience dealing with the disease. Lynne - Original Message - From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] mixing FeLV pos and neg thanks, carmen. you're much gentler than i in your evaluation of veterinary attitudes, and the damage they do. the more i find of old literature that says what we already know--bout it being bodily-fluids, not air, requiring close consistent contact, how many exposed cats either never become positive or throw the virus off (70%, in the merck veterinary manual), and how many positive kitties live quite happily with negatives, the more unhappy i become with the professionals who have chosen not to follow the literature. the need to retest, and NOT to make life-and-death decisions was taught in at least some vet schools as much as 20 years ago, and the STRONG RECOMMENDATION to retest has been in the professional lit since the early 2000s at least... additionally, there are still no documented cases that i have ever found of a vaccinated truly negative cat (tested negative on both the ELISSA and IFA, at an appropriate interval to rule out exposure) who has ever turned positive from LIVING WITH (as opposed to just visiting or passing in the night) a true positive (also tested more than once.) even at its highest incidence, FeLV only appears in less than 10% of the population natively--if it were as contagious as we are STILL being led to believe, there would be no feral colonies. think about it.. MC On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.netwrote: I am writing in response to Lauries note about Isabella. I have had several negative FeLV cats that have been mixed with the FeLV positives over the years and NONE of them ever acquired a positive status to the FeLV. It is definitely NOT an airborne disease in any way and it takes a very prolonged exposure for any negative cats to even possibly acquire the FeLV UNLESS they are bitten and direct blood is passed. Most adult cats are simply immune to FeLV and IF exposed at all, simply shed it off-they do not test postive even if living with those kitties. We have worked with hundreds of FeLV kitties over the last 25 years, and the non positives who lived with even the sympomatic positives did not become positive in their long lifetimes. One recently died of old age-not FeLV. Anyway, most people and some vets still have a pretty healthy fear of FeLV, but for those of us who have worked with these wonderful kitties for awhile and have them for companion animals, experience is a great calmer of all fears of FeLV positives. Carmen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3875 (20090220) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's awesome news! It probably was brought in with Jadon or Bruschi, or maybe both had it. Did they come from the same place by chance? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals!
Re: New Member - Deb and mixing
Well I have good news for once.My female Takara who just had her 5 kittens is NEGATIVE.WHAT A RELIEF I just wanted to thank Phaewryn,Mary Christine, Nina , Kelley and everyone else who has been guiding me through this nightmare. I'm looking at things in a whole different way because of your advice , comments, opinions and experiences and I think I'm out of panic mode finally! From now on I will vaccinate all my cats to help prevent this from happening again , even though I'm now convinced the 2 newer cats came here with it and I'm still hoping my oldest Bengal tests negative when I retest him. He had tested negative before and could just be going through fighting it now so I have 3 more weeks to wait and will retest him and see where he is at. I have a wonderful home for Bruschi and that leaves me with my Calico girl who is still battling her URI and needs to gain some weight but Phaewryn is giving me some good advice and hopefully I get her back on track real soon:) THANK YOU ALL...you're a wonderful group here and have helped me through this tremendously! Deb - Original Message - From: MaryChristine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:38 PM Subject: Re: New Member - Deb and mixing halleluia, sister! (yeah, i'll go to bed now.) On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every what if I have experienced in the past brought me to a new awareness in the present, even though the lessons were hard, I learned from them. What if I had just taken that extra few minutes to check on Kiki that night, rather than going to bed because I was too tired to feed him? Would I have been able to take him to the vet in time to save him? That was a hard lesson, when I found him dead the next morning with injuries. BUT, now, when I think something might be wrong, I take action on it IMMEDIATELY, I never wait to take care of things I could put off until tomorrow, because I learned that sometimes tomorrow doesn't come. What if I had just not let him go outside? Would he have not been hit by that car? Of course not. BUT, now I keep my cats indoors only, unless they are on a leash. I learned from that what if as well. What if I had only KNOWN that a broken back wasn't a death sentence? Would I still have my sweet Do-Dah here today, happy in a cat cart? I miss him, but now I know that it's not a death sentence, and I've used the lesson I learned from his life to help countless injured pets since by telling THEIR owners don't listen to your vet, there ARE options! I have Bones to show for it too, I think it was a test, that I was to be sent not one, but TWO cats with broken backs. The first one, I got it wrong, but the second one... well, she couldn't be any happier than she is today! I swear to you all, I am SURE that I have been sent these second chances just to redeem myself and forgive my past mistakes! I could list a long list of all the what if's I've experienced in my years with cats, all my regrets, and all of my losses, but the fact remains the same, no matter HOW HARD that lesson came, and no matter how many times I relive it, and no matter how many tears I shed, I know that I LEARNED, and THAT means that none of their lives were in vain. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Hi Nina, I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives and positives...it's building my confidence more each day. What I need to know is do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough that just won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there? My situation as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I might have homes for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after seeing her with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I can't let her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely healthy and a little more weight on her. My boys seems healthy but may sneeze here and there or have a little coughnothing persistent or on a daily basis so I was just wondering if it's still OK to mix them with my negative boys? My Calico girl is back on antibiotics and while she was with us that night for about 5 hours ,before she had that bad coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours. So can she still be with my negative boys while I treat her. You said I should've seen her face when I had to confine her..well I barely could see her face because I was crying my eyes out myself:( She was not put by herself thank god , otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping bag and slept with her! She was put back with her two feline brothers who are also positive so I hope she wasn't too distraughtI sure know I was though!! I know my kits have all been exposed and I have now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the do's and don'ts of mixing them all together again. I think I'm so scared because I had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and showed negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years. I then brought in 3 more over the past year of which one tested negative and I never tested the last two thinking they came from parents that were tested. Then all of the sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who tested negative previously and then the two that were never tested. None are related. I was told this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that easily then why are 3 of mine infected? So I either have really bad luck and more than one brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that were negative meant nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with it and spread it to my adult cat. I will never know, but after having been hit with 3 of my 6 cats getting this disease at one time with still one kit to test, to me that makes me think this spreads like wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about putting them all back together. The first night we decided to bring up my calico girl was after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes and my other kits didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to see her and she just really followed me around the house all night and then fell asleep with me while my boys seemed a bit mad that I was showering attention on her all night and they slept with my Son so there wasn't much contact in that 5 hours. I'm trying to my best to get used to doing this but I'm still in panic mode here and just trying to learn all I can and make sure I do right by all my cats. For now I'm trying to rehome the positive boys that I know will take a move easier and the home I found for my 6 month old boy sounds perfect as he will have a 7 month old FELV+ playmate. This home might take both boys but I won't know until she comes to meet them. So this is where I'm at right now and my mind is spinning every day with more info and seems to change daily on how much I can handle so I'm just taking it all a day at a time and giving them as much TLC as I can until I figure this all out:) Thanks for your advice/input here.it's much appreciated:) Deb From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: Re: New Member - Deb and mixing Deb, I'm pleased to hear you have potential adopters for your boys. I'm hoping that someone will adopt them together. Tell those folks to come join us here! Forgive me for responding without reading your previous posts, you may already have addressed this, but... I am one of the people that have mixed negs and pos together, (with the negs being vaccinated). I have done this for years without any of my negs turning pos, but I understand what a difficult decision it is to make. In my case, I had brought in a litter of felv bottle babies and didn't find out they were pos until they had been mixing freely with the rest of the household for months. It still gave me pause, (because the vets and the literature suggested segregating, hell, they suggested euthanizing too), but it would have been hard on everyone concerned to separate them at that point. One of my cats at the time was a born-in-the-wild feral
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Hey, Deb - I also mix my negatives and positives -- and don't isolate anyone who is coughing, etc. I figure that everyone has been exposed anyhow and it is probably viral -- and strict isolation isn't possible at my house. I've never been sorry that I've done it this way. Deb Stockbridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Nina, I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives and positives...it's building my confidence more each day. What I need to know is do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough that just won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there? My situation as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I might have homes for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after seeing her with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I can't let her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely healthy and a little more weight on her. My boys seems healthy but may sneeze here and there or have a little coughnothing persistent or on a daily basis so I was just wondering if it's still OK to mix them with my negative boys? My Calico girl is back on antibiotics and while she was with us that night for about 5 hours ,before she had that bad coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours. So can she still be with my negative boys while I treat her. You said I should've seen her face when I had to confine her..well I barely could see her face because I was crying my eyes out myself:( She was not put by herself thank god , otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping bag and slept with her! She was put back with her two feline brothers who are also positive so I hope she wasn't too distraughtI sure know I was though!! I know my kits have all been exposed and I have now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the do's and don'ts of mixing them all together again. I think I'm so scared because I had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and showed negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years. I then brought in 3 more over the past year of which one tested negative and I never tested the last two thinking they came from parents that were tested. Then all of the sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who tested negative previously and then the two that were never tested. None are related. I was told this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that easily then why are 3 of mine infected? So I either have really bad luck and more than one brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that were negative meant nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with it and spread it to my adult cat. I will never know, but after having been hit with 3 of my 6 cats getting this disease at one time with still one kit to test, to me that makes me think this spreads like wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about putting them all back together. The first night we decided to bring up my calico girl was after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes and my other kits didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to see her and she just really followed me around the house all night and then fell asleep with me while my boys seemed a bit mad that I was showering attention on her all night and they slept with my Son so there wasn't much contact in that 5 hours. I'm trying to my best to get used to doing this but I'm still in panic mode here and just trying to learn all I can and make sure I do right by all my cats. For now I'm trying to rehome the positive boys that I know will take a move easier and the home I found for my 6 month old boy sounds perfect as he will have a 7 month old FELV+ playmate. This home might take both boys but I won't know until she comes to meet them. So this is where I'm at right now and my mind is spinning every day with more info and seems to change daily on how much I can handle so I'm just taking it all a day at a time and giving them as much TLC as I can until I figure this all out:) Thanks for your advice/input here.it's much appreciated:) Deb From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: Re: New Member - Deb and mixing Deb, I'm pleased to hear you have potential adopters for your boys. I'm hoping that someone will adopt them together. Tell those folks to come join us here! Forgive me for responding without reading your previous posts, you may already have addressed this, but... I am one of the people that have mixed negs and pos together, (with the negs being vaccinated). I have done this for years without any of my negs turning pos, but I understand what a difficult decision it is to make. In my case, I had brought in a litter of felv bottle babies and didn't find out
Re: New Member - Deb and mixing
Deb, You are afraid of mixing because the danger is real. Your household is indicative of that. We might never know how it is that you have 3 previously believed neg cats testing pos. Was the disease dormant in their systems before they came to you, are they in the process of clearing the virus, did one carrier give it to the others? My one piece of advice for you is to keep them separated until you have come to terms with what mixing them might mean. Imho, I don't think you are going to spare any of the negs from the possibility of whatever fate has in store, they've already had too much contact together for that. One of the hardest things we have to learn in being the guardian of special needs animals is that no matter how desperately we want to control the outcome, no matter how diligently we arm ourselves with information and advice, it is ultimately not in our power to keep them safe from illness. All we can do is our best to insure that the time they do have to share with us is filled with as much joy, safety and love that we can offer. Early on I made the decision that I would opt for quality of life rather than quantity. Each and every one of us must make these types of decisions on our own. It's a very personal judgement call that only you can make. We must weigh the potential consequences and be ready to live with whatever the results turn out to be. There are no guarantees with felv or with life. Why do you think so many otherwise caring people still advocate pts? It's the only sure solution to save you from dealing with the possible ramifications of living with felv. No life, no felv. Dealing with the what ifs after the fact is always punishing, (what if I'd kept them separate, what if I'd sought out treatment sooner, what if I'd done this or that differently). Researching my alternatives, knowing I did the best I could with what I knew at the time, following my intuition and heart, are my talismans against the bitterness of what if. Nina Deb Stockbridge wrote: Hi Nina, I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives and positives...it's building my confidence more each day. What I need to know is do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough that just won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there? My situation as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I might have homes for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after seeing her with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I can't let her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely healthy and a little more weight on her. My boys seems healthy but may sneeze here and there or have a little coughnothing persistent or on a daily basis so I was just wondering if it's still OK to mix them with my negative boys? My Calico girl is back on antibiotics and while she was with us that night for about 5 hours ,before she had that bad coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours. So can she still be with my negative boys while I treat her. You said I should've seen her face when I had to confine her..well I barely could see her face because I was crying my eyes out myself:( She was not put by herself thank god , otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping bag and slept with her! She was put back with her two feline brothers who are also positive so I hope she wasn't too distraughtI sure know I was though!! I know my kits have all been exposed and I have now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the do's and don'ts of mixing them all together again. I think I'm so scared because I had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and showed negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years. I then brought in 3 more over the past year of which one tested negative and I never tested the last two thinking they came from parents that were tested. Then all of the sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who tested negative previously and then the two that were never tested. None are related. I was told this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that easily then why are 3 of mine infected? So I either have really bad luck and more than one brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that were negative meant nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with it and spread it to my adult cat. I will never know, but after having been hit with 3 of my 6 cats getting this disease at one time with still one kit to test, to me that makes me think this spreads like wildfire and that is why I'm so nervous about putting them all back together. The first night we decided to bring up my calico girl was after I had fed them all so they didn't share any food dishes and my other kits didn't really even go near her as they were surprised to see
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My vet puts it much less eloquently. I go in there at least once a week all upset saying I'm doing X, Y and Z. I don't know what to do. He always says It's a virus. There's nothing you CAN do. (which is not entirely correct, there are supportive things and immune boosting things, etc - but he means - you can't CURE it.). If you can let go of needing to control (and if you figure out how to do that..well, I am still learning.. but when I can do it I find I do MUCH better). On 5/9/07, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deb, You are afraid of mixing because the danger is real. Your household is indicative of that. We might never know how it is that you have 3 previously believed neg cats testing pos. Was the disease dormant in their systems before they came to you, are they in the process of clearing the virus, did one carrier give it to the others? My one piece of advice for you is to keep them separated until you have come to terms with what mixing them might mean. Imho, I don't think you are going to spare any of the negs from the possibility of whatever fate has in store, they've already had too much contact together for that. One of the hardest things we have to learn in being the guardian of special needs animals is that no matter how desperately we want to control the outcome, no matter how diligently we arm ourselves with information and advice, it is ultimately not in our power to keep them safe from illness. All we can do is our best to insure that the time they do have to share with us is filled with as much joy, safety and love that we can offer. Early on I made the decision that I would opt for quality of life rather than quantity. Each and every one of us must make these types of decisions on our own. It's a very personal judgement call that only you can make. We must weigh the potential consequences and be ready to live with whatever the results turn out to be. There are no guarantees with felv or with life. Why do you think so many otherwise caring people still advocate pts? It's the only sure solution to save you from dealing with the possible ramifications of living with felv. No life, no felv. Dealing with the what ifs after the fact is always punishing, (what if I'd kept them separate, what if I'd sought out treatment sooner, what if I'd done this or that differently). Researching my alternatives, knowing I did the best I could with what I knew at the time, following my intuition and heart, are my talismans against the bitterness of what if. Nina Deb Stockbridge wrote: Hi Nina, I Love to hear more and more experiences from all of you that mix negatives and positives...it's building my confidence more each day. What I need to know is do you still keep them together if one still has a persistent cough that just won't clear even after treatment or if one sneezes here or there? My situation as it is now is that I have 3 positives , the two boys that I might have homes for , and my calico girl that I thought I had a home for but after seeing her with symptoms of her cough which I had thought went away, I feel I can't let her move and be more stressed out until I can get her completely healthy and a little more weight on her. My boys seems healthy but may sneeze here and there or have a little coughnothing persistent or on a daily basis so I was just wondering if it's still OK to mix them with my negative boys? My Calico girl is back on antibiotics and while she was with us that night for about 5 hours ,before she had that bad coughing spell she was fine for the 5 hours. So can she still be with my negative boys while I treat her. You said I should've seen her face when I had to confine her..well I barely could see her face because I was crying my eyes out myself:( She was not put by herself thank god , otherwise I would've grabbed a sleeping bag and slept with her! She was put back with her two feline brothers who are also positive so I hope she wasn't too distraughtI sure know I was though!! I know my kits have all been exposed and I have now vaccinated the negative ones. I just don't know the do's and don'ts of mixing them all together again. I think I'm so scared because I had thought I had 6 healthy cats, 3 had been tested for FELV and showed negative and lived healthy and happily for over 2 years. I then brought in 3 more over the past year of which one tested negative and I never tested the last two thinking they came from parents that were tested. Then all of the sudden one gets sick and I have 3 FELV+ cats, one is my oldest Bengal boy who tested negative previously and then the two that were never tested. None are related. I was told this is a rare situation and if FELV doesn't spread that easily then why are 3 of mine infected? So I either have really bad luck and more than one brought this in my home and the FELV tests I had done that were negative meant nothing or the last 2 I brought in came here with it and spread it to my adult cat
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halleluia, sister! (yeah, i'll go to bed now.) On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Every what if I have experienced in the past brought me to a new awareness in the present, even though the lessons were hard, I learned from them. What if I had just taken that extra few minutes to check on Kiki that night, rather than going to bed because I was too tired to feed him? Would I have been able to take him to the vet in time to save him? That was a hard lesson, when I found him dead the next morning with injuries. BUT, now, when I think something might be wrong, I take action on it IMMEDIATELY, I never wait to take care of things I could put off until tomorrow, because I learned that sometimes tomorrow doesn't come. What if I had just not let him go outside? Would he have not been hit by that car? Of course not. BUT, now I keep my cats indoors only, unless they are on a leash. I learned from that what if as well. What if I had only KNOWN that a broken back wasn't a death sentence? Would I still have my sweet Do-Dah here today, happy in a cat cart? I miss him, but now I know that it's not a death sentence, and I've used the lesson I learned from his life to help countless injured pets since by telling THEIR owners don't listen to your vet, there ARE options! I have Bones to show for it too, I think it was a test, that I was to be sent not one, but TWO cats with broken backs. The first one, I got it wrong, but the second one... well, she couldn't be any happier than she is today! I swear to you all, I am SURE that I have been sent these second chances just to redeem myself and forgive my past mistakes! I could list a long list of all the what if's I've experienced in my years with cats, all my regrets, and all of my losses, but the fact remains the same, no matter HOW HARD that lesson came, and no matter how many times I relive it, and no matter how many tears I shed, I know that I LEARNED, and THAT means that none of their lives were in vain. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources http://www.iGive.com/html/refer.cfm?causeid=21303 Sign up for iGive and a percentage of your purchases helps save animals! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Deb, I'm pleased to hear you have potential adopters for your boys. I'm hoping that someone will adopt them together. Tell those folks to come join us here! Forgive me for responding without reading your previous posts, you may already have addressed this, but... I am one of the people that have mixed negs and pos together, (with the negs being vaccinated). I have done this for years without any of my negs turning pos, but I understand what a difficult decision it is to make. In my case, I had brought in a litter of felv bottle babies and didn't find out they were pos until they had been mixing freely with the rest of the household for months. It still gave me pause, (because the vets and the literature suggested segregating, hell, they suggested euthanizing too), but it would have been hard on everyone concerned to separate them at that point. One of my cats at the time was a born-in-the-wild feral that had had no shots at all and had mixed right into the litter as if it were her own. (She tested neg later, boy did I sweat that one). I took a leap of faith and followed my heart and kept everyone together. I felt fairly safe in making this decision, (as far as the guilt/fear factor goes), because everyone had already been exposed. Perhaps explaining it in that way might make your son more receptive to the idea? For Heaven's sake, you've already re-exposed your neg cats with last night's visiting. I mean no disrespect, but it seems a little like locking the barn door after the horse has escaped, (again). Everyone loved our felv babies. I don't think there was an animal in the house that hadn't spent very intimate time with them. I recently lost a stray-turned-resident with both fiv and felv. During his last weeks I cringed everytime he sneezed felv germs all over the house. I haven't had the others tested since Spencer passed, (I will if anyone gets symptoms of illness), but I'm confident that no one has contracted felv. I would never judge anyone's decisions about mixing. We all understand both sides of the argument too well. I can hear how dedicated you are to helping these babies and I thank you for everything you are doing for them. I just wanted to throw my two cents in because I can just picture that little girl's face when she was closed off from the family again. None of the decisions we are forced to make are easy, and all too few results of those decisions are truly in our control. Blessings to you and your family, Nina Deb Stockbridge wrote: OMG Phaewryn, YOU ARE A GODSEND!! You posted my boys last night and already I have a home for Bruschi and possibly one for Jadon as well! Someone very close by me saw them on Petfinder and fell in love with both but thinks Bruschi will be the perfect match for her FELV+ female 7 month old kitten so that's who she chose and she might know of a friend who can also take Jadon. I'm meeting with her on Friday and will know then if both boys have a new home. I'm just crying over having to do this so soon as I never expected this quick of a response but also crying for the joy of having potential homes where my boys can have free roam of their new homes and interact with people like they were used to here before I had to keep them confined. I will let you know Friday how things go.keep your fingers crossed all goes well for me and my boys! I just can't thank you enough for your help and it has made dealing with all this that much easier to handle.one step at a time:) BTWafter reading a few of the emails from others about how they mix their positives and negatives with pretty good luck I tried to do this last night after finally talking my Son into letting us try it with one at a time. All was well and boy was our girl happy and meowing up a storm for the first couple hours and we were just all so happy to have her with us again UNTIL later that night she had a coughing spell and it woke me up as well as my Son and my Son started crying and asking where our two negative kits were and it freaked him out more than I expected and I had to confine her with the two boys again:( I have to admit it scared me as well and I know it would take some time to get used to but I think with every sneeze or cough we would just think what it could be doing to our healthy cats and I just don't think I can put my Son through that again. I really commend all of you who can manage a positive and negative household and if it was just me and my husband I think I could eventually get used to the idea but just not right now with my Son here with us. I love ALL my babies and it would be ideal to keep them all if I could let them live together but for now it's best I find homes for these special kits. You are all just wonderful people helping these animals with health issues and though I can't foster them in my own home , if I can help in any other way, with transporting
To Jodie: Re: vaccine schedule and mixing negatives and positives
Hi Jodie, Welcome to the FeLV group! You've found the best source for reliable info. and great support in dealing with FeLV. I unknowingly mixed my positive with three negatives for 2.5 years before I found out my positive was positive. He lived another two years before passing. None of my negatives contracted FeLV from Cricket. All were vaccinated and all are still living 1.5 years after his death. There was no fighting or grooming between Cricket and the others, but they did share food and water bowls, and litter boxes. I don't have any FeLV+ kitties now, but will remain with this group indefinitely because of the compassion and encouragement they showed me when I was dealing with his illness. It's an invaluable that I love paying forward. How old is Jack now? He may throw off the virus-he has a 40% chance. He may also have had a false positive test, and not be positive after all. We do see that. My advice, in complete agreement with your holistic vet, is to vaccinate your others, and re-test Jack with an IFA test (as opposed to the in-house Elisa) in 3-6 months. When you vaccinate your others, make sure they do it in a rear leg, as vaccination-site sarcomas are always a risk, and the neck is a much more difficult place to treat a sarcoma than the leg. Understand that the vaccination success rate is listed as about 75% (someone correct me here if I'm wrong), but if Jack doesn't do any biting, in my opinion, it wouldn't matter if your others were vaccinated or not. The chances of contracting it without a bite (or via birth) is very low, from what I've learned and seen here. The info. you've read out on the web, in our opinion, is more of a cover-your-_ss, overly cautious type of info. from veterinary universities and veterinarians and others quoting those sources. They are the same sources that say to pts when a cat tests positive, which none of us agree with. Please keep us posted on Jack, and if you have any questions at all, please ask. We're here to help. With all your furbabies, it looks like you've probably got lots of info. yourself on various kitty topics that you can share should the need arise. :) Have a great day Jodie! :) Wendy Dallas, Tx --- Jodie Marsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I rescued Jack about 3 months ago and he is FeLV+ ) I took him from an abusive home with the intention of finding him a wonderful home). I have 6 other cats, Mr.Furley (5yrs), Lucky (1 1/2 yrs), Ralphie, Janet, and Cleo (each 1 yr), and Furby (10 months). Everyone else has been tested for FeLV and is negative. I am unable to continue keeping Jack separated from the others and I have not been able to find him an appropriate home. I went to the holistic veterinarian who recommended vaccinating all - cats against FeLV and allowing them to mix. She said that FeLV is most often transmitted through bites etc. I have read so much info about FeLV being transmitted through saliva (all of my cats are VERY friendly and all groom eachother) and that 2 shots are given then an annual booster is recommended. I guess my questions are as follows: What are your experiences with mixing negatives and positives? Have any of your vaccinated cats contracted the disease? How long after vaccinating do I need to wait before introducing them? (Vet said 48 hours). Any info would be GREATLY appreciated! Thank you very much - Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: vaccine schedule and mixing negatives and positives
I had my FELV+ live with my UNvaccinated negatives for 18 months, all groomed each other constantly. I had NO transmission. I think it is spread by saliva to BLOOD contact, or blood to blood contact, predominately. If it were spread by saliva to saliva, my other cats would have caught it. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: vaccine schedule and mixing negatives and positives
My understanding is that about 70% of adult cats are immune to FELV so it is quite possible to mix UNvaccinated adult cats with a positive and have no problems. It is also possible, if you have one of the remaining 30%, for it to be transmitted even by saliva. Gary - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:43 PM Subject: Re: vaccine schedule and mixing negatives and positives I had my FELV+ live with my UNvaccinated negatives for 18 months, all groomed each other constantly. I had NO transmission. I think it is spread by saliva to BLOOD contact, or blood to blood contact, predominately. If it were spread by saliva to saliva, my other cats would have caught it. Phaewryn
vaccine schedule and mixing negatives and positives
Hi! I rescued Jack about 3 months ago and he is FeLV+ ) I took him from an abusive home with the intention of finding him a wonderful home). I have 6 other cats, Mr.Furley (5yrs), Lucky (1 1/2 yrs), Ralphie, Janet, and Cleo (each 1 yr), and Furby (10 months). Everyone else has been tested for FeLV and is negative. I am unable to continue keeping Jack separated from the others and I have not been able to find him an appropriate home. I went to the holistic veterinarian who recommended vaccinating all - cats against FeLV and allowing them to mix. She said that FeLV is most often transmitted through bites etc. I have read so much info about FeLV being transmitted through saliva (all of my cats are VERY friendly and all groom eachother) and that 2 shots are given then an annual booster is recommended. I guess my questions are as follows: What are your experiences with mixing negatives and positives? Have any of your vaccinated cats contracted the disease? How long after vaccinating do I need to wait before introducing them? (Vet said 48 hours). Any info would be GREATLY appreciated! Thank you very much - Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail
RE: vaccine schedule and mixing negatives and positives
Lots of folks will respond but as one who mixes, I never even think about it. My oldest positive was not diagnosed until she was 4 or so and by that point all the others (3) had been around her all that time-they all were neg. They had not been vaccinated for FELV but now I vacc yearly. I then took in a second pos-an older stray I had been feeding but did not know he was pos. Tucson is 9 and we think Romeo is around the same age. They eat together, share litter boxes, toys, sleep together; groom each other; and I never really worry about it. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jodie Marsten Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 10:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: vaccine schedule and mixing negatives and positives Hi! I rescued Jack about 3 months ago and he is FeLV+ ) I took him from an abusive home with the intention of finding him a wonderful home). I have 6 other cats, Mr.Furley (5yrs), Lucky (1 1/2 yrs), Ralphie, Janet, and Cleo (each 1 yr), and Furby (10 months). Everyone else has been tested for FeLV and is negative. I am unable to continue keeping Jack separated from the others and I have not been able to find him an appropriate home. I went to the holistic veterinarian who recommended vaccinating all - cats against FeLV and allowing them to mix. She said that FeLV is most often transmitted through bites etc. I have read so much info about FeLV being transmitted through saliva (all of my cats are VERY friendly and all groom eachother) and that 2 shots are given then an annual booster is recommended. I guess my questions are as follows: What are your experiences with mixing negatives and positives? Have any of your vaccinated cats contracted the disease? How long after vaccinating do I need to wait before introducing them? (Vet said 48 hours). Any info would be GREATLY appreciated! Thank you very much _ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40705/*http:/mrd.mail.yahoo.com/try_beta?.intl=c a All-new Yahoo! Mail
Re: vaccine schedule and mixing negatives and positives
In a message dated 4/14/2007 8:28:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What are your experiences with mixing negatives and positives? I mix both positive and negative together my personal kitties. Never thought about it really. When one was diagnosed I had younger and senior kitties living with him. They were tested and it came back negative. After he passed still never had anyone come up negative. It was one great big family. It was not an option to separate them. Now, on my rescues I do not mix them with my personal kitties there is no contact. So if something was to happen I don't have it in the back of my mind if a rescue kitty came up positive from a adopter. Have any of your vaccinated cats contracted the disease? No, had them tested prior before giving the negatives their vaccines. How long after vaccinating do I need to wait before introducing them? (Vet said 48 hours). I never waited especially when they had been exposed anyway. These are just my opinions. Let your heart speak of whether this is what you want to do. I don't have any regrets of mixing any of my fur-kids. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: _https://www.paypal.com/_ (https://www.paypal.com/) _http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/_ (http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue) _http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html_ (http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html) _http://www.felineleukemia.org/_ (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) _http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html_ (http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html) _http://www.petloss.com/_ (http://www.petloss.com/) ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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All of my cats were negative and vaccinated when I brought in my first positive along with another kitten about the same age. They had been tested (one incorrectly) and given their first set of shots. It was not until I was having them spayed and neutered that I asked for a retest and found out one cat was positive. At that point she had been mixing with everyone for a couple of months Everyone got retested and was negative. I brought in another cat knowing it was positive. She mixes with everyone here as well. Now I only retest if someone gets sick. I've lost cats to kidney failure, stroke, etc... and they've always tested negative. I brought in 2 leukemia negative cats, one who had not had a booster yet (there was nowhere else for her to go). She too, is still negative and has been here going on 3 years. My first positive was probably around 10 years ago. It's never been transferred in my house. I have also fostered positive and negative cats. Any negative cats are vaccinated every 3rd year now. tonya Gussies mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to get an idea, and maybe write something, about people who mix their FeLV cats, and or FIV cats with negative cats. I'm interested in when they were diaagnosed, were the negative cats previously vaccinated and were they ever re-tested. If so, when. How often were they retested? If the FeLV cat has passed away, have the negatives been retested after at least 3 months? Are the negative cats vaccinated every year for FeLV? Do the cats mix continually, sharing food, water, litter, etc? Or are they mixed only at certain times with water and food removed? You get the idea. You can email me off list if you like. Thanks, Beth - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
mixing
I'm trying to get an idea, and maybe write something, about people who mix their FeLV cats, and or FIV cats with negative cats. I'm interested in when they were diaagnosed, were the negative cats previously vaccinated and were they ever re-tested. If so, when. How often were they retested? If the FeLV cat has passed away, have the negatives been retested after at least 3 months? Are the negative cats vaccinated every year for FeLV? Do the cats mix continually, sharing food, water, litter, etc? Or are they mixed only at certain times with water and food removed? You get the idea. You can email me off list if you like. Thanks, Beth - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.
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I've answered this same thing at least 5 other times, search the archives. Or wait until Sunday, and I'll retype it then when I have more time. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources
Re: Dilemma - Mixing (was consistent...)
I have 5 cats, 3 that are older, and 2 that I picked up as kittens two and a half years ago. Just found out both the 2.5 year olds are FeLV+, so I am thinking one of them had it and passed it on to the other one while they were kittens. My 3 older kitties all tested negative on the first test, so its likely they have been exposed for 2.5 years to the virus and managed to throw it off. I'm just trying to decide now if I should vaccinate my older ones. I would think they would have picked it up by now if they were going to get it at all. - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 11:10 PM Subject: Re: Dilemma - Mixing (was consistent...) Just wondering who out there has mixed and had negatives turned positive? Thanks... Gloria On Mar 19, 2007, at 9:34 PM, wendy wrote: This is assuming that the unvaccinated cats were not already born with it or carrying it; we seem to never be able to say for sure that that wasn't the case. This virus is SO frustrating sometimes!!! :) Wendy --- Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just a quick point, it is probably safe to mix VACCINATED negatives with your positive. There is at least one list member who had 3 unvaccinated cats turn positive after unknowingly mixing with an felv+... Regards, Beth On 3/19/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donna, A lot of us here mix our positives and negatives, mainly because we did not know we had a positive initially. But once most of us found out, we felt separating the kitties would be more stressful than risking a positive contracting the virus. I don't think many here, if any, have had that happen. I've been a member here for a year and a half. Thus, the general consensus here is that as adult cats, it is difficult to contract the virus. Kittens are much more susceptible, and bite wounds an easier way of contracting. I am not sure what to make of the conflicting test results. We do know that there are a lot of false positives and false negatives, which doesn't help your situation. I've never heard of the PCR Assay test. How many others do you have in your home and how old are they? Do you think they would get along with Elise? :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking to the group for experiences on dealing with a cat whose scenario is as written below. I would very much like to hear from anyone who may have experienced, or be currently experiencing, this same thing. Advice and guidance is sought. Here is the dilemma: I have a kitty I rescued at about 12 weeks old around 3 yrs ago. She had a bad uri at the time of rescue but snap combo tested fiv/felv negative. The vet vaccinated her while she will sick with this uri (I wasn't too happy about that myself). I always retest kittens and upon her retest about a month later she came up slight felv+. I had an elisa done which was positive. I had more snap tests done - all of them all came up slight positive. I eventually had an IFA done and a PCR Assay done. The PCR Assay for felv (done with blood, not bone marrow, of course) was negative. All of these tests were done over the course of 2 years (I've had her for 3 yrs now). The last snap combo test I had done - just out of curiosity - was March of last year and that came up slight positive again. Unfortunately, Elise (or Lisee Angel as I call her because she has a big white 'angel' on her back :), has been relegated to the only place I could keep her all this time, which is a relatively small spare bedroom. I had always hoped I'd be able to at least let her integrate at some point with the rest of the house, but her consistent slight felv+ snap combo test worries me too much. Even though the PCR Assay was negative, she keeps testing slight positive on the snap combo test. I am so confused about the more extensive test being negative, but all the lower level tests being positive. I feel so awful that she is stuck in that spare room, and I cannot imagine her having to live her entire life in that one room. I just don't know what else I can do. The dilemma is not really knowing if she is, or is not, felv positive and should she, or should she not, be allowed to integrate with non-positives? Thanks to all, Donna __ __ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. __ __ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 __ __ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http
Re: Dilemma - Mixing (was consistent...)
Hi Gloria, I believe it was Bonnie that brought home a false negative kitten that possibly infected 3 of 6 indoor cats. If I remember correctly, one was able to throw the virus and 2 were not and eventually passed. Not sure if the existing cats were healthy adults, or when they had last been tested. Bonnie, if you are out there and this was your experience, can you chime in with more details? Thanks so much! Beth On 3/20/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just wondering who out there has mixed and had negatives turned positive? Thanks... Gloria On Mar 19, 2007, at 9:34 PM, wendy wrote: This is assuming that the unvaccinated cats were not already born with it or carrying it; we seem to never be able to say for sure that that wasn't the case. This virus is SO frustrating sometimes!!! :) Wendy --- Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just a quick point, it is probably safe to mix VACCINATED negatives with your positive. There is at least one list member who had 3 unvaccinated cats turn positive after unknowingly mixing with an felv+... Regards, Beth On 3/19/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donna, A lot of us here mix our positives and negatives, mainly because we did not know we had a positive initially. But once most of us found out, we felt separating the kitties would be more stressful than risking a positive contracting the virus. I don't think many here, if any, have had that happen. I've been a member here for a year and a half. Thus, the general consensus here is that as adult cats, it is difficult to contract the virus. Kittens are much more susceptible, and bite wounds an easier way of contracting. I am not sure what to make of the conflicting test results. We do know that there are a lot of false positives and false negatives, which doesn't help your situation. I've never heard of the PCR Assay test. How many others do you have in your home and how old are they? Do you think they would get along with Elise? :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking to the group for experiences on dealing with a cat whose scenario is as written below. I would very much like to hear from anyone who may have experienced, or be currently experiencing, this same thing. Advice and guidance is sought. Here is the dilemma: I have a kitty I rescued at about 12 weeks old around 3 yrs ago. She had a bad uri at the time of rescue but snap combo tested fiv/felv negative. The vet vaccinated her while she will sick with this uri (I wasn't too happy about that myself). I always retest kittens and upon her retest about a month later she came up slight felv+. I had an elisa done which was positive. I had more snap tests done - all of them all came up slight positive. I eventually had an IFA done and a PCR Assay done. The PCR Assay for felv (done with blood, not bone marrow, of course) was negative. All of these tests were done over the course of 2 years (I've had her for 3 yrs now). The last snap combo test I had done - just out of curiosity - was March of last year and that came up slight positive again. Unfortunately, Elise (or Lisee Angel as I call her because she has a big white 'angel' on her back :), has been relegated to the only place I could keep her all this time, which is a relatively small spare bedroom. I had always hoped I'd be able to at least let her integrate at some point with the rest of the house, but her consistent slight felv+ snap combo test worries me too much. Even though the PCR Assay was negative, she keeps testing slight positive on the snap combo test. I am so confused about the more extensive test being negative, but all the lower level tests being positive. I feel so awful that she is stuck in that spare room, and I cannot imagine her having to live her entire life in that one room. I just don't know what else I can do. The dilemma is not really knowing if she is, or is not, felv positive and should she, or should she not, be allowed to integrate with non-positives? Thanks to all, Donna __ __ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. __ __ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 __ __ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Re: Dilemma - Mixing (was consistent...)
Oh, also, as far as false negatives go, I have had it happen.
Of my 5 rescue kittens, one tested positive at 8 weeks and
four tested negative. When Will Feral spiked a fever at 14
weeks, he retested positive. He had had no contact with
the other positive (or our existing adult cat) since the first test.
He must have still been incubating the virus at the first test.
The others all tested negative the second time. They were
vaccinated and I now mix everyone. Unless somebody
gets sick, I don't think we will do any more testing...
Four kittens (year old next month) are lined up right now on
our half-wall, all staring intently at the tv, (greyhounds on
Animal Planet). They are so darling!
(:o{
Beth
On 3/20/07, Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Gloria,
I believe it was Bonnie that brought home a false negative
kitten that possibly infected 3 of 6 indoor cats. If I remember
correctly, one was able to throw the virus and 2 were not and
eventually passed. Not sure if the existing cats were healthy
adults, or when they had last been tested. Bonnie, if you are
out there and this was your experience, can you chime in with
more details? Thanks so much!
Beth
On 3/20/07, Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just wondering who out there has mixed and had negatives turned
positive?
Thanks...
Gloria
On Mar 19, 2007, at 9:34 PM, wendy wrote:
This is assuming that the unvaccinated cats were not
already born with it or carrying it; we seem to never
be able to say for sure that that wasn't the case.
This virus is SO frustrating sometimes!!!
:)
Wendy
--- Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Just a quick point, it is probably safe to mix
VACCINATED negatives with your positive.
There is at least one list member who had 3
unvaccinated cats turn positive after unknowingly
mixing with an felv+...
Regards,
Beth
On 3/19/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Donna,
A lot of us here mix our positives and negatives,
mainly because we did not know we had a positive
initially. But once most of us found out, we felt
separating the kitties would be more stressful
than
risking a positive contracting the virus. I don't
think many here, if any, have had that happen.
I've
been a member here for a year and a half. Thus,
the
general consensus here is that as adult cats, it
is
difficult to contract the virus. Kittens are much
more susceptible, and bite wounds an easier way of
contracting. I am not sure what to make of the
conflicting test results. We do know that there
are a
lot of false positives and false negatives, which
doesn't help your situation. I've never heard of
the
PCR Assay test. How many others do you have in
your
home and how old are they? Do you think they
would
get along with Elise?
:)
Wendy
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am looking to the group for experiences on
dealing
with
a cat whose scenario is as written below. I
would
very much
like to hear from anyone who may have
experienced,
or be
currently experiencing, this same thing. Advice
and
guidance is sought. Here is the dilemma:
I have a kitty I rescued at about 12 weeks old
around
3 yrs ago. She had a bad uri at the time of
rescue
but
snap combo tested fiv/felv negative. The vet
vaccinated
her while she will sick with this uri (I wasn't
too
happy
about that myself). I always retest kittens and
upon
her
retest about a month later she came up slight
felv+.
I had an elisa done which was positive. I had
more
snap tests done - all of them all came up slight
positive. I eventually had an IFA done and a PCR
Assay
done. The PCR Assay for felv (done with blood,
not
bone marrow, of course) was negative. All of
these
tests were done over the course of 2 years (I've
had
her for 3 yrs now). The last snap combo test I
had
done - just out of curiosity - was March of last
year
and that came up slight positive again.
Unfortunately, Elise (or Lisee Angel as I call
her
because she has a big white 'angel' on her back
:),
has been relegated to the only place I could
keep
her
all this time, which is a relatively small spare
bedroom.
I had always hoped I'd be able to at least let
her
integrate at some point with the rest of the
house,
but her consistent slight felv+ snap combo test
worries me too much. Even though the PCR Assay
was
negative, she keeps testing slight positive on
the
snap combo test. I am so confused about the more
extensive test being negative, but all the lower
level
tests being positive.
I feel so awful that she is stuck in that spare
room,
and I cannot imagine her having to live her
entire
life in that one room. I just don't know what
else I
can do.
The dilemma is not really knowing if she is, or
is
not,
felv positive and should she, or should she
Re: Dilemma - Mixing (was consistent...)
Just wondering who out there has mixed and had negatives turned positive? Thanks... Gloria On Mar 19, 2007, at 9:34 PM, wendy wrote: This is assuming that the unvaccinated cats were not already born with it or carrying it; we seem to never be able to say for sure that that wasn't the case. This virus is SO frustrating sometimes!!! :) Wendy --- Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just a quick point, it is probably safe to mix VACCINATED negatives with your positive. There is at least one list member who had 3 unvaccinated cats turn positive after unknowingly mixing with an felv+... Regards, Beth On 3/19/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Donna, A lot of us here mix our positives and negatives, mainly because we did not know we had a positive initially. But once most of us found out, we felt separating the kitties would be more stressful than risking a positive contracting the virus. I don't think many here, if any, have had that happen. I've been a member here for a year and a half. Thus, the general consensus here is that as adult cats, it is difficult to contract the virus. Kittens are much more susceptible, and bite wounds an easier way of contracting. I am not sure what to make of the conflicting test results. We do know that there are a lot of false positives and false negatives, which doesn't help your situation. I've never heard of the PCR Assay test. How many others do you have in your home and how old are they? Do you think they would get along with Elise? :) Wendy --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking to the group for experiences on dealing with a cat whose scenario is as written below. I would very much like to hear from anyone who may have experienced, or be currently experiencing, this same thing. Advice and guidance is sought. Here is the dilemma: I have a kitty I rescued at about 12 weeks old around 3 yrs ago. She had a bad uri at the time of rescue but snap combo tested fiv/felv negative. The vet vaccinated her while she will sick with this uri (I wasn't too happy about that myself). I always retest kittens and upon her retest about a month later she came up slight felv+. I had an elisa done which was positive. I had more snap tests done - all of them all came up slight positive. I eventually had an IFA done and a PCR Assay done. The PCR Assay for felv (done with blood, not bone marrow, of course) was negative. All of these tests were done over the course of 2 years (I've had her for 3 yrs now). The last snap combo test I had done - just out of curiosity - was March of last year and that came up slight positive again. Unfortunately, Elise (or Lisee Angel as I call her because she has a big white 'angel' on her back :), has been relegated to the only place I could keep her all this time, which is a relatively small spare bedroom. I had always hoped I'd be able to at least let her integrate at some point with the rest of the house, but her consistent slight felv+ snap combo test worries me too much. Even though the PCR Assay was negative, she keeps testing slight positive on the snap combo test. I am so confused about the more extensive test being negative, but all the lower level tests being positive. I feel so awful that she is stuck in that spare room, and I cannot imagine her having to live her entire life in that one room. I just don't know what else I can do. The dilemma is not really knowing if she is, or is not, felv positive and should she, or should she not, be allowed to integrate with non-positives? Thanks to all, Donna __ __ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. __ __ Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 __ __ Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Mixing
Now that I do have a positive IFA for Max,,,but of course will retest in 4 months and start on Immuno Regulin,,He is such a social cat and wants to play with the others so bad, I have a female Missy who is 12,,VERY healthy,, very people shy,,,I think I will give her the room with Max as she will love her own space...My fear of totally mixing is I do not want Max to catch any of the viruses that seem so run through the group. I may do a corona virus titer on Missy,,do not want to expose Max if there is a chance to keep him away from it,,, Kelly
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Wondering what protocol you're using for immunoregulin? Thanks, Gloria At 12:59 PM 9/23/2006, you wrote: Now that I do have a positive IFA for Max,,,but of course will retest in 4 months and start on Immuno Regulin,,He is such a social cat and wants to play with the others so bad, I have a female Missy who is 12,,VERY healthy,, very people shy,,,I think I will give her the room with Max as she will love her own space...My fear of totally mixing is I do not want Max to catch any of the viruses that seem so run through the group. I may do a corona virus titer on Missy,,do not want to expose Max if there is a chance to keep him away from it,,, Kelly
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At 11:14 AM 9/23/2006, you wrote: Wondering what protocol you're using for immunoregulin? Going to go with the twice a week time 2...then once a week times 4 then once a month and add the Interferon at that time,, K Thanks, Gloria At 12:59 PM 9/23/2006, you wrote: Now that I do have a positive IFA for Max,,,but of course will retest in 4 months and start on Immuno Regulin,,He is such a social cat and wants to play with the others so bad, I have a female Missy who is 12,,VERY healthy,, very people shy,,,I think I will give her the room with Max as she will love her own space...My fear of totally mixing is I do not want Max to catch any of the viruses that seem so run through the group. I may do a corona virus titer on Missy,,do not want to expose Max if there is a chance to keep him away from it,,, Kelly -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006
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And make sure Missy has her FeLV vaccinekelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I do have a positive IFA for Max,,,but of course will retest in 4 months and start on Immuno Regulin,,He is such a social cat and wants to play with the others so bad, I have a female Missy who is 12,,VERY healthy,, very people shy,,,I think I will give her the room with Max as she will love her own space...My fear of totally mixing is I do not want Max to catch any of the viruses that seem so run through the group. I may do a corona virus titer on Missy,,do not want to expose Max if there is a chance to keep him away from it,,,Kelly
Re: Mixing
At 02:14 PM 9/23/2006, you wrote: Just gave it to her... And make sure Missy has her FeLV vaccine kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I do have a positive IFA for Max,,,but of course will retest in 4 months and start on Immuno Regulin,,He is such a social cat and wants to play with the others so bad, I have a female Missy who is 12,,VERY healthy,, very people shy,,,I think I will give her the room with Max as she will love her own space...My fear of totally mixing is I do not want Max to catch any of the viruses that seem so run through the group. I may do a corona virus titer on Missy,,do not want to expose Max if there is a chance to keep him away from it,,, Kelly No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006
Re: Mixing
At 02:14 PM 9/23/2006, you wrote: Before I did though I calculated my dexamethasone dosage as I have some pretty lousy reactions to the leukemia vaccine so I keep me dex and epi on hand And make sure Missy has her FeLV vaccine kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that I do have a positive IFA for Max,,,but of course will retest in 4 months and start on Immuno Regulin,,He is such a social cat and wants to play with the others so bad, I have a female Missy who is 12,,VERY healthy,, very people shy,,,I think I will give her the room with Max as she will love her own space...My fear of totally mixing is I do not want Max to catch any of the viruses that seem so run through the group. I may do a corona virus titer on Missy,,do not want to expose Max if there is a chance to keep him away from it,,, Kelly No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006
Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care (mixing)
Hi Dee, Welcome to my world my dear! Like many on this list, I can't tell you the number of times I've been desperate for a placement, (actually I'm desperate right now, see Matilda's story!). Sometimes a proper home is found, many times that home turns out to be mine! By your number, it's a pretty good bet that you are one of us! What's a caring human to do? When they show up on our doorstep, we are left few options. I'm afraid Susan is right, you might as well settle in. I'm not saying to stop looking, I'm just saying you might as well make everyone as comfortable as possible while you do. There are some sanctuaries that will accept a felv+, I'm sure someone on the list will be able to steer you in the right direction. We all understand your fears, for your negs, (btw, are you sure they are indeed neg?), but many on the list have +s that live in isolation and many more have mixed for years. I had rescued 6, 2.5 week old bottle babies that were pos and had them mixed before I knew of their status. Since they had all been living together, playing, grooming, eating and sharing litter boxes for months before I found out, there was really no decision to be made. They were together for up to 2 years and NONE OF MY NEGS EVER BECAME POS! Two of the litter are still living and one has been confirmed neg! There is hope! You didn't mention how old this former stray is. That can make a difference in his chances of throwing the virus. As others have mentioned, there's a good chance he isn't even pos, (false neg tests are a problem). Please take a deep breath and have faith that he joined your family for a reason. Make him as comfortable as possible, nurse him back to health, get him retested in a couple of months using the IFA test, (lab test, sent out of house), and take it one day at a time. Thank you for being the kind of people that can't turn their backs on those in need, Blessings to you and your family, Nina Evan Dee wrote: We are in desperate need of placement. About 2 to 3 weeks ago a stray cat showed up on our property. For the 1st week or two we could not go near him. We fed him regularly as we could see he was in need of veterinary care. Finally, he let us near him we scheduled a vet appointment on Monday, 08/01/06. To our grave disappointment he is FeLV+. The vet started to give us options, one of which was euthanasia. I stopped her mid-conversation said That Was Not An Option. The vet said due to ethical dilemmas we needed to keep him indoors (to prevent the spread of FeLV reduce his infection risks). However, staying with us is only a TEMPORARY solution. We have 10 healthy indoor cats, 2 of which also go outside in a fence, of our own. We do NOT want them exposed to this virus so the poor dear is isolated/quarantined to his own bedroom, which does not have air conditioning gets fairly hot. This is no way for a feline to live! But this is the best solution we have for him right now on such short notice. Do you know of anyone who can help us? We live in the Western part of Pennsylvania. We would be willing to transport to an adoptive home (after proper adoption screening) or foster placement. I can be reached at the above email or by cell phone, (814) 229-5678. Thank you. ~Dee
Re: FeLV+ Adoption/ Foster Care (mixing)
(Oops, I meant false pos tests are a problem) N Nina wrote: Hi Dee, Welcome to my world my dear! Like many on this list, I can't tell you the number of times I've been desperate for a placement, (actually I'm desperate right now, see Matilda's story!). Sometimes a proper home is found, many times that home turns out to be mine! By your number, it's a pretty good bet that you are one of us! What's a caring human to do? When they show up on our doorstep, we are left few options. I'm afraid Susan is right, you might as well settle in. I'm not saying to stop looking, I'm just saying you might as well make everyone as comfortable as possible while you do. There are some sanctuaries that will accept a felv+, I'm sure someone on the list will be able to steer you in the right direction. We all understand your fears, for your negs, (btw, are you sure they are indeed neg?), but many on the list have +s that live in isolation and many more have mixed for years. I had rescued 6, 2.5 week old bottle babies that were pos and had them mixed before I knew of their status. Since they had all been living together, playing, grooming, eating and sharing litter boxes for months before I found out, there was really no decision to be made. They were together for up to 2 years and NONE OF MY NEGS EVER BECAME POS! Two of the litter are still living and one has been confirmed neg! There is hope! You didn't mention how old this former stray is. That can make a difference in his chances of throwing the virus. As others have mentioned, there's a good chance he isn't even pos, (false neg tests are a problem). Please take a deep breath and have faith that he joined your family for a reason. Make him as comfortable as possible, nurse him back to health, get him retested in a couple of months using the IFA test, (lab test, sent out of house), and take it one day at a time. Thank you for being the kind of people that can't turn their backs on those in need, Blessings to you and your family, Nina Evan Dee wrote: We are in desperate need of placement. About 2 to 3 weeks ago a stray cat showed up on our property. For the 1st week or two we could not go near him. We fed him regularly as we could see he was in need of veterinary care. Finally, he let us near him we scheduled a vet appointment on Monday, 08/01/06. To our grave disappointment he is FeLV+. The vet started to give us options, one of which was euthanasia. I stopped her mid-conversation said That Was Not An Option. The vet said due to ethical dilemmas we needed to keep him indoors (to prevent the spread of FeLV reduce his infection risks). However, staying with us is only a TEMPORARY solution. We have 10 healthy indoor cats, 2 of which also go outside in a fence, of our own. We do NOT want them exposed to this virus so the poor dear is isolated/quarantined to his own bedroom, which does not have air conditioning gets fairly hot. This is no way for a feline to live! But this is the best solution we have for him right now on such short notice. Do you know of anyone who can help us? We live in the Western part of Pennsylvania. We would be willing to transport to an adoptive home (after proper adoption screening) or foster placement. I can be reached at the above email or by cell phone, (814) 229-5678. Thank you. ~Dee
Re: Mixing FeLv non FeLv
I would not mix kittens with an FeLV+ cat or kitten, as their immune systems are not fully developed and are more susceptible to contracting the virus. Adult cats I feel are most likely ok to exposure, although I wouldn't bet my life on it. :) Wendy --- Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that finally mixing FIV non FIV kitties is FINALLY being accepted but I am wondering as to what you all here think about mixing FeLv non FeLv kitties. My daughter adopted a kitten years ago that was not tested for FeLv until she was about 3 months old. When she was tested, it was positive. They already had another cat the two had been together since little Juniper arrived, so essentially 3 months. Jonas was tested he was negative. I believe he was given the vaccine then. Juniper has since gone to the bridge Jonas is still healthy non FeLv. I know that there are many folks who do mix but I would like to hear the feelings about it here. Pam Hurricane Katrina's terrible message: if it is too dangerous for YOU to stay behind as a disaster approaches, then why would you leave your PETS behind? Never ever ever leave them behind! Have enough crates for all take them with you! They are your family! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
