Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations, Harley, Bats
DOES IT HELP TO COMPLAIN TO YAHOO? Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Unfortunately, Yahoo mail is bundling all my mail on one subject and sending off thousand word bundles so that they crash into the group mailbox and overload it. That's why I'm writing separately without the thread. Fortunately, I have never had a cat display a bad reaction to the rabies vaccination even though it's given at the same time as spay/neuter surgery. However, consider that giving vaccinations does overload the immune system at least until the cat develops the required immunity. NEVER give anything but the rabies vaccination if the cat is going into surgery and spay/neuter is major surgery. Think hysterectomy and castration. In humans this would be major surgery. It really irks me when people seem to think it's fine to overload a cat or dog with a bunch of vaccinations at the same time that they are getting surgery and the vets go along with it gleefully because it means more money for them. FVRCP is OK for kittens but again, not at the time of spay/neuter surgery and not along with the rabies vaccination. And not if they are FeLv+ or FIV+. And for all you humans out there, the flu shot is less than useful in preventing you from catching flu. It's great for the manufacturers of the vaccine though. Made millions for them and it might protect against Asian Flu #1 but not against Asian Flu #2 and that's what the doctors tell you if you come back complaining that you got the flu anyway. Just keep sneezing cats away from your own brood and keep away from sneezing and coughing people during flu season. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Marsha, The post I was responding to was about Veterinary treatment of un-vaccinated animals, not boarding. That was my focus. Still, that requirement for boarded animals to be vaccinated is not very effective, anyway. Most facilities allow the required vaccines to be given on intake, meaning that (unless they are long-term boarders) they will not develop any immunity before they leave the facility. Not very reassuring to me. But profitable for those providing the vaccines. But I don't board. I guess people who board their pets have researched the issues, and are comfortable with the procedures in place. Margo -Original Message- From: Marsha mar...@lynxe.com Sent: Aug 15, 2014 9:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6 Vets who have a boarding service will require vaccinations before boarding the animal, as will any boarding facility. Marsha On 8/15/2014 5:49 AM, Margo wrote: Really? I've never run into that, but maybe I just stayed away from them for other reasons. Sounds like they ae in it for the money. Because most of mine came from rescue situations, there vaccination status was unknown. I can't remember it ever being an issue when the cat needed help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Fw: Re: vaccinations
-Forwarded Message- From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net Sent: Aug 16, 2014 7:39 AM To: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations Shelley, It is now available; http://www.merial.com/EN/PressRoom/PressRelease/Pages/Merial-Introduces-PUREVAX%C2%AE-Feline-Rabies-3-YR-Vaccine.aspx I don't think most Vets will carry it. The Vets will have to charge $60-70 for it, and that probaby won't fly with most clients. I talked to my Vet about it, and we came to the conclusion that they would likely not use the full tray before it expired, and even I understand that that's too much expense. I am considering asking if she can buy one full tray and come out and do a mass vaccine day for me. HTH Margo -Original Message- From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net Sent: Aug 15, 2014 9:38 AM To: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations Margo, I don't think there is a 3 year Purevax Rabies yet is there? I thought I read somewhere that it might last longer than a year, which it is listed as now, but that they hadn't officially decided to call it a 3 year. I would love to only have to think about this every 3 years! Shelley On Aug 14, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. First, because it is mandated by law. It is not likely that an indoor cat will be exposed to rabies, but it can happen. Second because not being vaccinated puts the cat at risk should it somehow manage to bite or scratch someone. Much depends on local ordinances, but there can be severe consequences to having an unvaccinated pet (to the pet) should the person injured decide to push. My positives are current at the moment, but when it comes time to re-vaccinate, I will request a waiver. BUT! That will not change the protocol should they be involved in an injury to a human. More likely I will find somewhere to get them the 3 year Purevax rabies. Would you clarify your comment about an antibody problem? They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. I'm afraid I don't quite understand. Thanks, Mago -Original Message- From: Kat Parker Sent: Aug 14, 2014 1:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6 Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net ) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net ) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the news later that day. I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. Thanks for letting me
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Good point about giving vaccines on intake. It is not effective to protect other cats, or the ones being vaccinated. I have boarded at a veterinarian's office a few times in the past, when I had fewer cats. And once in the distant past at a pet store that had a boarding room (no dogs). I do not intend on ever boarding again, because it is just too stressful for cats, especially if the facility also boards dogs. The vet's office even gave my cats one of the exam rooms all for themselves. I checked in every day on my trip, and they told me verbally the cats were doing great, but I made them send pictures, and my cats looked very unhappy. Marsha On 8/16/2014 6:32 AM, Margo wrote: Marsha, The post I was responding to was about Veterinary treatment of un-vaccinated animals, not boarding. That was my focus. Still, that requirement for boarded animals to be vaccinated is not very effective, anyway. Most facilities allow the required vaccines to be given on intake, meaning that (unless they are long-term boarders) they will not develop any immunity before they leave the facility. Not very reassuring to me. But profitable for those providing the vaccines. But I don't board. I guess people who board their pets have researched the issues, and are comfortable with the procedures in place. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: vaccinations
Awesome! Thanks for that link and the note about the expense! I, too, might look into a mass vaccination day. Marsha Margo wrote: Shelley, It is now available; http://www.merial.com/EN/PressRoom/PressRelease/Pages/Merial-Introduces-PUREVAX%C2%AE-Feline-Rabies-3-YR-Vaccine.aspx I don't think most Vets will carry it. The Vets will have to charge $60-70 for it, and that probaby won't fly with most clients. I talked to my Vet about it, and we came to the conclusion that they would likely not use the full tray before it expired, and even I understand that that's too much expense. I am considering asking if she can buy one full tray and come out and do a mass vaccine day for me. HTH Margo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Vaccinations, Harley, Bats
Unfortunately, Yahoo mail is bundling all my mail on one subject and sending off thousand word bundles so that they crash into the group mailbox and overload it. That's why I'm writing separately without the thread. Fortunately, I have never had a cat display a bad reaction to the rabies vaccination even though it's given at the same time as spay/neuter surgery. However, consider that giving vaccinations does overload the immune system at least until the cat develops the required immunity. NEVER give anything but the rabies vaccination if the cat is going into surgery and spay/neuter is major surgery. Think hysterectomy and castration. In humans this would be major surgery. It really irks me when people seem to think it's fine to overload a cat or dog with a bunch of vaccinations at the same time that they are getting surgery and the vets go along with it gleefully because it means more money for them. FVRCP is OK for kittens but again, not at the time of spay/neuter surgery and not along with the rabies vaccination. And not if they are FeLv+ or FIV+. And for all you humans out there, the flu shot is less than useful in preventing you from catching flu. It's great for the manufacturers of the vaccine though. Made millions for them and it might protect against Asian Flu #1 but not against Asian Flu #2 and that's what the doctors tell you if you come back complaining that you got the flu anyway. Just keep sneezing cats away from your own brood and keep away from sneezing and coughing people during flu season. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
I have been vaccinating Harley for rabies because a bat got in the garage a couple years ago. The bat was not caught and tested. That is the only vaccine he gets, and when his FeLV progresses to an active form, I will not vaccinate him anymore. I skipped a year between vaccinations too. Marsha On 8/14/2014 12:22 PM, Kat Parker wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] vaccinations
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Almost all of you have suggested I not get the FVRCP vaccinations. so I won't. These kittens are indoors only and have no contact with AC. My rescues usually come from local people who dump them at my rescue shelter. Thanks so much to everyone who posted. Lorrie On 10-07, Beth wrote: Mine were not symptomatic at the time they got the FVRCP. They became symptomatic immediately afterward. If there is a huge risk of getting panleukopenis (sp?) You might want to take the risk - if you rescue a lot from AC. Otherwise it is another thing for their immune system to deal with. I don't give any of my cats FVRCP vax anymore since I stopped fostering except for the FeLVs. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yes, I know that but the dim wits who make the Animal Control laws in Texas refuse to recognize it. A titer costs a whole lot of $$$ for that reason and I'm not sure the authorities would even recognize it as sufficient. The vets make money on the vaccinations every year. Why should they stop a good cash cow (or cat)? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or does your law not allow that? Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since. It doesn't improve with age, either. So I do NOT vaccinate my cats. Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law). I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption though. But I never vaccinate for leukemia. If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it. But if you are keeping them, I would advise not to do it. And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog. No medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery. It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets. However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Don't. My one got sick immediately after an FvRCP annual vaccination Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Well, one reason is that a dead patient doesn't bring in money anymore. :-) You may want to look it up, but I've read that the number of polio cases actually went up after they started vaxing for it. Holisticat had some innovative ways to deal with mandatory rabies vaxes. You may want to Google their archives. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I know that but the dim wits who make the Animal Control laws in Texas refuse to recognize it. A titer costs a whole lot of $$$ for that reason and I'm not sure the authorities would even recognize it as sufficient. The vets make money on the vaccinations every year. Why should they stop a good cash cow (or cat)? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! -- *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:58 AM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or does your law not allow that? Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since. It doesn't improve with age, either. So I do NOT vaccinate my cats. Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law). I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption though. But I never vaccinate for leukemia. If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it. But if you are keeping them, I would advise not to do it. And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog. No medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery. It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets. However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's not so much the individual vaccine as that they give them all at one time. Imagine getting zapped with 3 or 4 different illnesses at one time - flu, measles, mumps and chicken pox!! Your immune system goes into overdrive and then crashes because no one can fight all those infections at once. That's what is done to our cats when they get the FeLV, rabies and FVRCP vaccinations at one time on top of which they are undergoing surgery to remove their reproductive system. Whew! Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Well, one reason is that a dead patient doesn't bring in money anymore. :-) You may want to look it up, but I've read that the number of polio cases actually went up after they started vaxing for it. Holisticat had some innovative ways to deal with mandatory rabies vaxes. You may want to Google their archives. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 11:37 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Yes, I know that but the dim wits who make the Animal Control laws in Texas refuse to recognize it. A titer costs a whole lot of $$$ for that reason and I'm not sure the authorities would even recognize it as sufficient. The vets make money on the vaccinations every year. Why should they stop a good cash cow (or cat)? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 12:58 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or does your law not allow that? Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since. It doesn't improve with age, either. So I do NOT vaccinate my cats. Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law). I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption though. But I never vaccinate for leukemia. If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it. But if you are keeping them, I would advise not to do it. And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog. No medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery. It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets. However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Again it really depends on the kitten. I've rescued 10 FeLV kittens. All had their rabies shot and initial series of FVRCP shots. All were asymptomatic at the time. None got sick from the vaccines. I eventually lost all of them to FeLV. They lived from 1 yr to 4 yrs. It is a decision each individual has to make. Mine got their rabies vax because it is required by law. They got the FVRCP series of 2 shots because I did not want to risk them getting distemper. There is no one rule that applies to all cats except to love them and give them the best food and care you can. It broke my heart to lose my FeLV babies but they brought me so much joy. I only hope I was able to give them 1/2 of what they gave me. Hugs to yours Sharyl From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Don't. My one got sick immediately after an FvRCP annual vaccination Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Many mothers (human mothers) are not vaccinating their children due to reactions such as you had. Both my daughters refuse to vaccinate their kids and one of my grandsons got Whooping Cough two years ago. The doctor didn't even recognize it because they see so little, if any, of these old childhood diseases now. As an older woman I immediately recognized the disease and my grandson did recover just fine. Lorrie On 10-06, Lee Evans wrote: This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I did not know the 1 year and 3 year rabies were the same. So the vet gives a new cat or kitten the first vaccination for rabies and then makes extra $$ by having you return for another vaccination in a year. On 10-06, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. Â And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Mine were not symptomatic at the time they got the FVRCP. They became symptomatic immediately afterward. If there is a huge risk of getting panleukopenis (sp?) You might want to take the risk - if you rescue a lot from AC. Otherwise it is another thing for their immune system to deal with. I don't give any of my cats FVRCP vax anymore since I stopped fostering except fot the FeLVs. Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Again it really depends on the kitten. I've rescued 10 FeLV kittens. All had their rabies shot and initial series of FVRCP shots. All were asymptomatic at the time. None got sick from the vaccines. I eventually lost all of them to FeLV. They lived from 1 yr to 4 yrs. It is a decision each individual has to make. Mine got their rabies vax because it is required by law. They got the FVRCP series of 2 shots because I did not want to risk them getting distemper. There is no one rule that applies to all cats except to love them and give them the best food and care you can. It broke my heart to lose my FeLV babies but they brought me so much joy. I only hope I was able to give them 1/2 of what they gave me. Hugs to yours Sharyl From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Don't. My one got sick immediately after an FvRCP annual vaccination Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Yep. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I did not know the 1 year and 3 year rabies were the same. So the vet gives a new cat or kitten the first vaccination for rabies and then makes extra $$ by having you return for another vaccination in a year. On 10-06, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. Â And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You can also just vax for Panleuk only. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Mine were not symptomatic at the time they got the FVRCP. They became symptomatic immediately afterward. If there is a huge risk of getting panleukopenis (sp?) You might want to take the risk - if you rescue a lot from AC. Otherwise it is another thing for their immune system to deal with. I don't give any of my cats FVRCP vax anymore since I stopped fostering except fot the FeLVs. Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Again it really depends on the kitten. I've rescued 10 FeLV kittens. All had their rabies shot and initial series of FVRCP shots. All were asymptomatic at the time. None got sick from the vaccines. I eventually lost all of them to FeLV. They lived from 1 yr to 4 yrs. It is a decision each individual has to make. Mine got their rabies vax because it is required by law. They got the FVRCP series of 2 shots because I did not want to risk them getting distemper. There is no one rule that applies to all cats except to love them and give them the best food and care you can. It broke my heart to lose my FeLV babies but they brought me so much joy. I only hope I was able to give them 1/2 of what they gave me. Hugs to yours Sharyl From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Don't. My one got sick immediately after an FvRCP annual vaccination Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/ immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank for this advice. Kitty, the little feral, I rescued us living in her bedroom with all her toys and things. She is due for her vaccinations and very soon to be spayed. I'm holding off on the vaccinations but she will get spayed soon. Keeping fingers crossed that when I retest her she is negative so she can play with my other two cats. Maryam Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:12, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I wouldn't do it, and if by law, you have to give them rabies vaccines, try to get a waiver from your veterinarian. It's not good to bombard compromised immune systems with all those vaccines. I would say, maybe the initial series of FVRCP, which technically should protect them for life (not that they say though!). -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 6:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I wonder if you should try to get a tubal ligation instead, as a recent study indicates that longevity is tied to keeping the ovaries: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html I'd avoid the vaxes, as the immune system is already wonked. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Thank for this advice. Kitty, the little feral, I rescued us living in her bedroom with all her toys and things. She is due for her vaccinations and very soon to be spayed. I'm holding off on the vaccinations but she will get spayed soon. Keeping fingers crossed that when I retest her she is negative so she can play with my other two cats. Maryam Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:12, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since. It doesn't improve with age, either. So I do NOT vaccinate my cats. Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law). I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption though. But I never vaccinate for leukemia. If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it. But if you are keeping them, I would advise not to do it. And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog. No medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery. It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets. However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Tubal ligations are even dangerous in human females. They can open up, get infected, cause blockages, even lead to tubal pregnancies although I don't know exactly how that would happen. I worked in a medical office for 12 years and tubals never seemed to work as advertised. Most women complained of pain long afterwards, cramping, even bleeding. In addition, tubal ligation does nothing to protect from breast cancer. Cats are very prone to mammary cancer so spaying would be the best prevention for that terrible menace to cat health. One of my cats had been diagnosed as borderline diabetic. Since Cookie was going to be an indoor-only cat, the vet recommended leaving her intact, not spaying. She was an older cat, went into heat about 3 times in my house and then gave it up as a bad idea. But she still had her hormone glands intact. About 5 years after I took her in, I noticed that her belly fur was wet and clumpy and that her nipples had turned dark brown. Her appetite was also failing and she actually was allowing me to touch her, she was so weak. I took her to the vet. He diagnosed multiple tumors in her mammary glands. Hormones are NOT the fountain of youth for a cat. They do nothing for the immune system that good care, good food and good supplements can't do. In addition, tubal ligation would do nothing to relieve the cat from the distress of going into heat when breeding season comes around. That's very stressful especially when the cat is not going to be bred. Same with vasectomy for a male cat. You would have a howling, spraying cat pacing around the house or running out to bite and fight although he could not make a female pregnant. Sometimes vasectomies reverse themselves so the cat might end up being fertile after all. It happens in humans quite often. In cats, it still exposes them to the dangers of mating, including contracting FIV and FeLv. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 6, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations I wonder if you should try to get a tubal ligation instead, as a recent study indicates that longevity is tied to keeping the ovaries: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html I'd avoid the vaxes, as the immune system is already wonked. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Thank for this advice. Kitty, the little feral, I rescued us living in her bedroom with all her toys and things. She is due for her vaccinations and very soon to be spayed. I'm holding off on the vaccinations but she will get spayed soon. Keeping fingers crossed that when I retest her she is negative so she can play with my other two cats. Maryam Sent from my iPhone. On Oct 6, 2012, at 9:12, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http
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You can definitely get waiver for some medical issues or immunodeficiency. For rabies, if you can't get a waiver, insist on the purevax brand which is non-adjuvanted. It has less irritating ingredients, making it far less likely to cause cancer etc. kg On Saturday, October 6, 2012, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: I might give them rabies simply because of law enforcement issues but you should be able to get a waiver for that. I don't vaccinate sick/immune compromised animals. On Oct 6, 2012, at 5:52 AM, Lorrie wrote: What are your opinions on vaccinating FelV positive kittens?? They are 5 months old and should have their first vaccinations, but I've had immune compromised kittens die from them, so I worry. They do not go outside but are confined to three large rooms in my cat sanctuary. Lorrie On 10-05, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: There seem to be a lot of questions about the flea meds. I am having enough problems in deciding to vaccinate or not. I have a couple who never go outside so are not exposed to critters that might infect them and 1 is 14 years old. I am afraid that vaccinating her at that age might do more harm than good. The others only go out for an hour or 2 and most of the time they are on the deck laying in the sun. Rabies is required here, but not the others. I do give the negative cats the FELV vaccine since I have 2 positives. ___it costs more but would be very wise Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Also, if female cats continually go into heat but not bred they can develop a very dangerous condition. It's called pyrometra something or another. Long time ago since my friend's cat got it so I'm not positive about the name. But it causes a very serious infection and can kill them if not caught. Her cat had to have an emergency spay and the vet had to basically scrape her insides to clean out all the infection. Very painful for the cat. Cats are reproductively different than us so maybe that's why. They do not drop their egg until they are stimulated (sex). It may be that's why the male's penis has the barbs on it - to stimulate the female to drop the egg, thereby almost 100% guaranteeing fertilization. Yes, I read too much. Anyway, so if she's not getting booty then what happens to the egg? I don't remember what I read about that but I think that's part of why they can develop this condition/infection. Sent from my HTC Inspire™ 4G on ATT - Reply message - From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Date: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 6:05 pm Tubal ligations are even dangerous in human females. They can open up, get infected, cause blockages, even lead to tubal pregnancies although I don't know exactly how that would happen. I worked in a medical office for 12 years and tubals never seemed to work as advertised. Most women complained of pain long afterwards, cramping, even bleeding. In addition, tubal ligation does nothing to protect from breast cancer. Cats are very prone to mammary cancer so spaying would be the best prevention for that terrible menace to cat health. One of my cats had been diagnosed as borderline diabetic. Since Cookie was going to be an indoor-only cat, the vet recommended leaving her intact, not spaying. She was an older cat, went into heat about 3 times in my house and then gave it up as a bad idea. But she still had her hormone glands intact. About 5 years after I took her in, I noticed that her belly fur was wet and clumpy and that her nipples had turned dark brown. Her appetite was also failing and she actually was allowing me to touch her, she was so weak. I took her to the vet. He diagnosed multiple tumors in her mammary glands. Hormones are NOT the fountain of youth for a cat. They do nothing for the immune system that good care, good food and good supplements can't do. In addition, tubal ligation would do nothing to relieve the cat from the distress of going into heat when breeding season comes around. That's very stressful especially when the cat is not going to be bred. Same with vasectomy for a male cat. You would have a howling, spraying cat pacing around the house or running out to bite and fight although he could not make a female pregnant. Sometimes vasectomies reverse themselves so the cat might end up being fertile after all. It happens in humans quite often. In cats, it still exposes them to the dangers of mating, including contracting FIV and FeLv. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster bottle baby shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos especially http://vimeo.com/48445902 Local feral cat crisis? See Alley Cat Allies' for how to respond: http://www.alleycat.org/page.aspx?pid=537 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or does your law not allow that? Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This is just an opinion stemming from a human experience with vaccinations. I almost died from the whooping cough vaccination when I was 9 years old. Again, when the Salk vaccine came out, my father, a physician gave me the anti-polio vaccination. Now, I do approve of polio vaccinations since it's such a dread disease and the vaccination did almost completely wipe it out in the USA. However, the vaccine contained an error and some of the virus was not killed. I got a mild case of polio and have had some minor nerve damage on my right side ever since. It doesn't improve with age, either. So I do NOT vaccinate my cats. Not with FeLv or FIV or anything but rabies (it's the law). I do have to vaccinate with the FVRCP vaccine when I know that one of my rescues will be going for adoption though. But I never vaccinate for leukemia. If you have kittens who need the FVRCP for adoption, then you do it. But if you are keeping them, I would advise not to do it. And try not to get them vaccinated at the time that you are getting the spay/neuter operation for a cat or dog. No medical doctor ever gives a human patient a vaccination before surgery. It's terribly dangerous and I really resent vets who do that to people's pets. However, sometimes you need to get the rabies shot at the time of s/n surgery because you are using a low cost clinic and you have a feral cat who can't be trapped twice. So you have to do both at the same time. But ferals who are outside don't really need any other vaccination once they are neutered/spayed.I also really resent the new FIV vaccination that turns negative cats positive on tests and jeopardizes their lives should they get lost and then tested by the person who finds them. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My vet hates that vaccine - and the company that produces it is not very good or reliable, either! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations They should no better than to give an FIV shot. Once administered they will then always test positive for it whether they have it or not!! Idiots! - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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There's some group somewhere doing research on the rabies vaccination and they have found that kittens vaccinated still had immunity in their system four years later. That's with the normal one year vaccine. They suspect there's immunity up to seven years later. I told my vet one time that if they require an animal to be vaccinated to be seen so then they vaccinate them during surgery or the day of the appointment it was stupid because it takes time for the body to develop an immunity after the vaccination so the vaccination done that day was useless. It doesn't offer protection for the animal being seen or for animals at the clinic that day. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:31 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org That's just for the cash! That is so stupid and it shows what they really care about. Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I wish that states would accept a titer, and allow vaccinations accordingly. But I sup[pose [people may not want to pay the extra money for it. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 10:40 AM To: I wish that states would accept a titer, and allow vaccinations accordingly. But I sup[pose [people may not want to pay the extra money for it. Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations There's some group somewhere doing research on the rabies vaccination and they have found that kittens vaccinated still had immunity in their system four years later. That's with the normal one year vaccine. They suspect there's immunity up to seven years later. I told my vet one time that if they require an animal to be vaccinated to be seen so then they vaccinate them during surgery or the day of the appointment it was stupid because it takes time for the body to develop an immunity after the vaccination so the vaccination done that day was useless. It doesn't offer protection for the animal being seen or for animals at the clinic that day. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:31 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org That's just for the cash! That is so stupid and it shows what they really care about. Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Some do...at least to a degree. One vet I asked charges almost $250 for a rabies titer and it has to be repeated yearly. On Aug 27, 2011, at 10:43 AM, Natalie wrote: I wish that states would accept a titer, and allow vaccinations accordingly. But I sup[pose [people may not want to pay the extra money for it. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 10:40 AM To: I wish that states would accept a titer, and allow vaccinations accordingly. But I sup[pose [people may not want to pay the extra money for it. Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations There's some group somewhere doing research on the rabies vaccination and they have found that kittens vaccinated still had immunity in their system four years later. That's with the normal one year vaccine. They suspect there's immunity up to seven years later. I told my vet one time that if they require an animal to be vaccinated to be seen so then they vaccinate them during surgery or the day of the appointment it was stupid because it takes time for the body to develop an immunity after the vaccination so the vaccination done that day was useless. It doesn't offer protection for the animal being seen or for animals at the clinic that day. sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com Date: Sat, Aug 27, 2011 12:31 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org That's just for the cash! That is so stupid and it shows what they really care about. Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God- know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Mine feels the same way :0) - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations My vet hates that vaccine - and the company that produces it is not very good or reliable, either! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations They should no better than to give an FIV shot. Once administered they will then always test positive for it whether they have it or not!! Idiots! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Me too, they don't need all that every year From: gbl...@aristotle.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
Unfortunately, since I am a rescue group, I have to keep at least the required by law rabies vaccines current. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Me too, they don't need all that every year From: gbl...@aristotle.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
My vet gives the vaccin for rabies first and then we wait if surgery is needed Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Unfortunately, since I am a rescue group, I have to keep at least the required by law rabies vaccines current. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations Me too, they don't need all that every year From: gbl...@aristotle.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 16:52:43 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations That's pretty much why I do... Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations
They should no better than to give an FIV shot. Once administered they will then always test positive for it whether they have it or not!! Idiots! - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That's just for the cash! That is so stupid and it shows what they really care about. Sent from my iPad On Aug 26, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: There are some really stupid vets out there. If you bring in a sick cat that doesn't have an up-to-date rabies vaccine, many will insist that they cannot treat a cat without one, and insist on vaccinating before treating the sick cat. My vet does NOT! I know of one veterinary hospital that will NOT treat any cat that has never been vaccinated! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations It's very bad practice to vaccinate cats while they are having surgery, but vets do it, so now I write out instructions not to vaccinate, and put it on the cat's carrier when I bring them for surgery. I give my cats their PCRC, way before they have surgery, but Rabies vaccinations are the law here, and only vets can give the injections. Once they are vaccinated I do not repeat vaccinations annually, and I just ignore the postcards I get saying it's time to vaccinate again. Lorrie On 08-26, Natalie wrote: Anyone who uses Petsmart's veterinary plan should be aware that they pump every possible vaccine into cats...it is most important to specify in the beginning which vaccines you want and especially which ones you do NOT want. My friend uses that plan because it does save a lot of moneyshe brought her two cats in, and she assumed incorrectly that they would get the same vaccines as the ones she specified at the last time, NOT! They got FeLV/FIV, God-know what elseshe was furious! She always tells them ahead of time that they are strictly indoor cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Are vaccinations safe for dogs and cats
Here's an interesting article on vaccines: http://www.examiner.com/pet-health-in-national/pet-health-101-are-vaccinatio ns-safe-for-dogs-and-cats ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hey Laurie- have you ever considered putting up bat houses? That may keep them out of the house :-) http://www.batconservation.org/content/Bathouseimportance.html -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com] Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 1:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all. We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they like to sleep behind our shutters. I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~ Thank-you! Laurie and tribe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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As a matter of fact, I have! I worried that it might attract MORE bats.not sure what the outcome would be. I do love bats and, of course, let the last one out (my cats killed the first one and I only found body parts). Because the second one was in the bedroom area, we all had to have the rabies series of shots! There was a presumption we'd been bitten. If there is a next time I won't tell anyone... -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations Hey Laurie- have you ever considered putting up bat houses? That may keep them out of the house :-) http://www.batconservation.org/content/Bathouseimportance.html -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com] Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 1:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all. We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they like to sleep behind our shutters. I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~ Thank-you! Laurie and tribe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
Well, maybe you could put it way out in the woods on a tree... (haha) Sorry to hear about the rabies shots- ouch! -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com] Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations As a matter of fact, I have! I worried that it might attract MORE bats.not sure what the outcome would be. I do love bats and, of course, let the last one out (my cats killed the first one and I only found body parts). Because the second one was in the bedroom area, we all had to have the rabies series of shots! There was a presumption we'd been bitten. If there is a next time I won't tell anyone... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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THEY DON'T CARE. if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then, so it hardly matters. i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew up from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to find out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take that long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill people who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals. so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was positive.. so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what that choice could entail. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What state are you in? On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, MaryChristine wrote: THEY DON'T CARE. if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then, so it hardly matters. i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew up from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to find out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take that long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill people who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals. so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was positive.. so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what that choice could entail. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
i was in MI then On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: What state are you in? On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, MaryChristine wrote: THEY DON'T CARE. if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then, so it hardly matters. i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew up from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to find out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take that long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill people who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals. so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was positive.. so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what that choice could entail. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
Same is true here. I caught hell for not killing the bat so they could examine it. I would make the same choice again. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations i was in MI then On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: What state are you in? On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, MaryChristine wrote: THEY DON'T CARE. if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then, so it hardly matters. i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew up from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to find out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take that long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill people who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals. so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was positive.. so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what that choice could entail. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
i don't think that many states have senses of humor when it comes to rabies. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all. We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they like to sleep behind our shutters. I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~ Thank-you! Laurie and tribe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
There has been several cases of rabid bats in Ky. This is a consideration. I have to ask what the odds are of a bat getting in the house, then what are the odds of it biting Copper or Thomas then what are the odds of it being rabid. Each person must decide. Ky accepts titers by the way (a really big surprise given how animals are treated generally here). On Mar 4, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Laurieskatz wrote: Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all. We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they like to sleep behind our shutters. I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~ Thank-you! Laurie and tribe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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PureVax makes a rabies vaccine with no adjuvant. That is what I get my cats. It's more expensive and it lasts only one year instead of 3, but is supposed to have no risk of vaccine-associated sarcoma so I think it is worth it. I only revaccinate yearly because my town has cat licensing AND I am well-known to (and disliked by) the animal control officer because I got a TNR ordinance passed and run a TNR group. So I go by the book when it comes to my town's licensing ordinance in order to avoid any problems! I personally do not think cats need rabies updates on the schedule that is required by law, especially if they are indoor cats. Challenge studies have shown even one rabies vaccination to often last 4 years (without boostering). But I follow the law in my town, and try to mitigate any negative effects by only using PureVax. PureVax also makes an adjuvant free FeLV vaccine-- that one does not even use a needle! It's an air gun of some kind. It makes a little popping noise and pushes the vaccine under the skin. When I had positives, I got it for my one negative every year, even though I kept them separated, just in case. After my last positive died I stopped getting him FeLV vaccine because he stays inside. Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My clinic switched to the Purevax a few years ago because they'd been getting a LOT of reactions to the 3 year shot. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: lernermiche...@aol.com lernermiche...@aol.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, March 3, 2010 12:25:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations PureVax makes a rabies vaccine with no adjuvant. That is what I get my cats. It's more expensive and it lasts only one year instead of 3, but is supposed to have no risk of vaccine-associated sarcoma so I think it is worth it. I only revaccinate yearly because my town has cat licensing AND I am well-known to (and disliked by) the animal control officer because I got a TNR ordinance passed and run a TNR group. So I go by the book when it comes to my town's licensing ordinance in order to avoid any problems! I personally do not think cats need rabies updates on the schedule that is required by law, especially if they are indoor cats. Challenge studies have shown even one rabies vaccination to often last 4 years (without boostering). But I follow the law in my town, and try to mitigate any negative effects by only using PureVax. PureVax also makes an adjuvant free FeLV vaccine-- that one does not even use a needle! It's an air gun of some kind. It makes a little popping noise and pushes the vaccine under the skin. When I had positives, I got it for my one negative every year, even though I kept them separated, just in case. After my last positive died I stopped getting him FeLV vaccine because he stays inside. Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
Thanks for the information re the FeLVI have concerns about my boys not being vaccinated because of the what-ifs associated with travel and .well..thanks. Having lost Dixie to this and being inclined to help out cats with no caregivers, the boys safety is a concern. On Mar 3, 2010, at 12:25 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote: PureVax makes a rabies vaccine with no adjuvant. That is what I get my cats. It's more expensive and it lasts only one year instead of 3, but is supposed to have no risk of vaccine-associated sarcoma so I think it is worth it. I only revaccinate yearly because my town has cat licensing AND I am well-known to (and disliked by) the animal control officer because I got a TNR ordinance passed and run a TNR group. So I go by the book when it comes to my town's licensing ordinance in order to avoid any problems! I personally do not think cats need rabies updates on the schedule that is required by law, especially if they are indoor cats. Challenge studies have shown even one rabies vaccination to often last 4 years (without boostering). But I follow the law in my town, and try to mitigate any negative effects by only using PureVax. PureVax also makes an adjuvant free FeLV vaccine-- that one does not even use a needle! It's an air gun of some kind. It makes a little popping noise and pushes the vaccine under the skin. When I had positives, I got it for my one negative every year, even though I kept them separated, just in case. After my last positive died I stopped getting him FeLV vaccine because he stays inside. Michelle ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] yearly vaccinations for FeLv+ cats
It's time for the General's yearly checkup. I've had him for 2 years. He's had a rabies shot and a calici virus shot and FVRCP booster when I got him and then the next year as well. I'm not a big vaccination person, I no longer allow my dog to be vaccinated. This cat was a stray, and he is now a 100% indoor cat. I'm thinking I should ask the vet to titer him. I just don't feel good about giving vaccinations to an immune compromised cat. What do you folks do? Sidney and the General ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322936x1201367173/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=115amp; bcd=Mayfooter51209NO115) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] yearly vaccinations for FeLv+ cats
I have not reached that point with Copper and Thomas yet (they are FeLV-) but I will not do a lot of vaccines. The ones they got as kittens were spread out instead of being lumped in one or two visits. No animal of mine who is immune system compromised will be vaccinated for anything. Mai Mai Puppy had Auto Immune Hemophilic Anemia and wasn't vaccinated after diagnosis; The Royal Princess Kitty Katt (cancer) wasn't and Dixie (FeLV+) wasn't. I have to figure the odds of them contracting something vs the possible harm of the vaccinations. On May 12, 2009, at 12:00 PM, souther...@aol.com wrote: It's time for the General's yearly checkup. I've had him for 2 years. He's had a rabies shot and a calici virus shot and FVRCP booster when I got him and then the next year as well. I'm not a big vaccination person, I no longer allow my dog to be vaccinated. This cat was a stray, and he is now a 100% indoor cat. I'm thinking I should ask the vet to titer him. I just don't feel good about giving vaccinations to an immune compromised cat. What do you folks do? Sidney and the General ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322936x1201367173/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx ?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=115amp; bcd=Mayfooter51209NO115) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] yearly vaccinations for FeLv+ cats
Autumn bites so we did the two year rabies shot for her. She was slightly sick for a couple of days, but came out fine. Her vet said that if she handled that well that he wanted to do distemper. I am not going to schedule that because we almost lost her twice as a kitten and I think it was the distemper shot that did it. She was on antibiotics for almost a month! I know the vets push for vaccinations, but rabies is all I will consider. I wouldn't even do that, but I don't want to chance her biting someone and not having it. ~Susan On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.comwrote: I have not reached that point with Copper and Thomas yet (they are FeLV-) but I will not do a lot of vaccines. The ones they got as kittens were spread out instead of being lumped in one or two visits. No animal of mine who is immune system compromised will be vaccinated for anything. Mai Mai Puppy had Auto Immune Hemophilic Anemia and wasn't vaccinated after diagnosis; The Royal Princess Kitty Katt (cancer) wasn't and Dixie (FeLV+) wasn't. I have to figure the odds of them contracting something vs the possible harm of the vaccinations. On May 12, 2009, at 12:00 PM, souther...@aol.com wrote: It's time for the General's yearly checkup. I've had him for 2 years. He's had a rabies shot and a calici virus shot and FVRCP booster when I got him and then the next year as well. I'm not a big vaccination person, I no longer allow my dog to be vaccinated. This cat was a stray, and he is now a 100% indoor cat. I'm thinking I should ask the vet to titer him. I just don't feel good about giving vaccinations to an immune compromised cat. What do you folks do? Sidney and the General ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! ( http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322936x1201367173/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx ?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=115amp; bcd=Mayfooter51209NO115) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] yearly vaccinations for FeLv+ cats
My holistic vet recommended Thuja to help with vaccination side effects. Both boys reacted badly to their first shots...very ill tempered and even snarled at me. I had given them some before the shots and gave them doses after the snarling incident. They settled down and did fine after the thuja. You'll need to do your own research or consult a holistic vet because I can't explain it adequately. On May 12, 2009, at 6:38 PM, Susan Ang wrote: Autumn bites so we did the two year rabies shot for her. She was slightly sick for a couple of days, but came out fine. Her vet said that if she handled that well that he wanted to do distemper. I am not going to schedule that because we almost lost her twice as a kitten and I think it was the distemper shot that did it. She was on antibiotics for almost a month! I know the vets push for vaccinations, but rabies is all I will consider. I wouldn't even do that, but I don't want to chance her biting someone and not having it. ~Susan On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo- county.comwrote: I have not reached that point with Copper and Thomas yet (they are FeLV-) but I will not do a lot of vaccines. The ones they got as kittens were spread out instead of being lumped in one or two visits. No animal of mine who is immune system compromised will be vaccinated for anything. Mai Mai Puppy had Auto Immune Hemophilic Anemia and wasn't vaccinated after diagnosis; The Royal Princess Kitty Katt (cancer) wasn't and Dixie (FeLV+) wasn't. I have to figure the odds of them contracting something vs the possible harm of the vaccinations. On May 12, 2009, at 12:00 PM, souther...@aol.com wrote: It's time for the General's yearly checkup. I've had him for 2 years. He's had a rabies shot and a calici virus shot and FVRCP booster when I got him and then the next year as well. I'm not a big vaccination person, I no longer allow my dog to be vaccinated. This cat was a stray, and he is now a 100% indoor cat. I'm thinking I should ask the vet to titer him. I just don't feel good about giving vaccinations to an immune compromised cat. What do you folks do? Sidney and the General ** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! ( http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221322936x1201367173/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx ?sc=668072amp;hmpgID=115amp; bcd=Mayfooter51209NO115) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FeLV+ but tested after the vaccinations were given
Hello, I have a foster cat who tested positive to the Elisa test AFTER she was vaccinated. Do previously vaccinating a cat create a false positive when tested after the vac.s? When I got her she had all of her shots but was never tested for FeLV until I did it. Thanks! Kim ...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet... 4 Million cats are killed each year. Stop the slaughter. Spay and Neuter. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ but tested after the vaccinations were given
Kim, The Feline Leukemia vaccine cannot give cats leukemia and it does not give them a false positive. It doesn't affect the test at all. Some cats can test false positive so I would think about retesting or getting a IFA Hardy test that tells if it is in the bone marrow yet or not. Also how old is the kitten? Young animals usually under a year can sometimes shed the virus and become negative later in life. I hope this helps, good luck. Tanya --- On Thu, 4/9/09, Kim kim_ferri...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: Kim kim_ferri...@embarqmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ but tested after the vaccinations were given To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 5:17 PM Hello, I have a foster cat who tested positive to the Elisa test AFTER she was vaccinated. Do previously vaccinating a cat create a false positive when tested after the vac.s? When I got her she had all of her shots but was never tested for FeLV until I did it. Thanks! Kim ...Saving just one pet won't change the worldbut surely the world will change for that one pet... 4 Million cats are killed each year. Stop the slaughter. Spay and Neuter. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations for FelV kittens
Mary Christine, I had two FelV kittens. One was vaccinated by the vet after having testing positive with the Elisa test. He had one day of feeling bad, like all kittens do, but has been fine ever since. The other kitten, also positive, got extremely sick, couldn't even hold his head up, and soon died. I'm assuming his immune system was gone, whereas the other kitten had an immune system that was still pretty much alright. Re: your other e-mail.. I agree, vets want to give kittens way, way too many vaccinations. They also get the same amount of vaccine a full grown cat gets, which doesn't seem right to me. Lorrie On 10-29, MaryChristine wrote: i respectfully disagree. asymptomatic FeLVs are not sick cats. every sanctuary or multi-cat household will tell you that until the virus is activated, FeLVs are just normal cats--they get sick, they get treated, they get well. in sanctuary settings, FeLVs are kept with other FeLVs, in all stages of sickness and health. since FeLV kills through opporunistic infections as well as lymphomas and other manifestations, if the healthy FeLVs in the populations were seriously immune-compromised, each time one of them went into their final battle, all the others would get sick as well and be unable to fight off the onslaughts of new infections. this does not happen. if you have two FeLVs in the house and one becomes ill, why doesn't the other, sick cat, immediately succumb? this is another misunderstanding, i truly believe, from vets who haven't bothered to keep up on the research, and/or to adequately educate their patients. let me tell you, however, if you've ever seen a cat die of panleukopenia, you won't ever want it to happen again. there are ALWAYS risks in using ANY drug, and while there have certainly been reactions to vaccines throughout time, the way to counter our over-vaccinated society isn't necessarily to stop doing them at all. a symptomatic cat is sick; it may not have a thing to do with the FeLV, but an asymptomatic cat being sick because it may have FeLV, is like saying that all of us who had chicken pox are sick, because we've got that herpes virus just waiting to break out into herpes. MC (haven't you missed me?) On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:29 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean Dodds' and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is taken from the website.) Kerry M. http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats. However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection. (7) This causes the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is too weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they have been vaccinated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations for FelV kittens
it's not a hard-and-dried thing, as you said--i know of positives who seemed in perfectly great health not make it through spaying/neutering, too; at the sanctuary, we'd neuter the little boys as soon as possible to solve any breaking-out-into-kittens problems, but some of the girls were NEVER spayed, based on their health. but just as with vaccinations, perfectly healthy cats can die from routine spays and neuters, and you have to weigh the alternatives. i just don't think that we can blame everything that happens to an FIV, or an FeLV, on their having the virus wandering around their systems. Until they come to us with the genetic profiles and complete vet records, it's all a gamble personally, i vaccinate my FeLVs as babies, then again if they make it to three years, just as the recommendations are for other healthy cats. i spay/neuter them when they seem strong enough; and i keep my paws crossed and love them every single day, knowing that there are no guarantees that there will be tomorrow--for them, or even for me. MC On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:44 PM, Lorrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary Christine, I had two FelV kittens. One was vaccinated by the vet after having testing positive with the Elisa test. He had one day of feeling bad, like all kittens do, but has been fine ever since. The other kitten, also positive, got extremely sick, couldn't even hold his head up, and soon died. I'm assuming his immune system was gone, whereas the other kitten had an immune system that was still pretty much alright. Re: your other e-mail.. I agree, vets want to give kittens way, way too many vaccinations. They also get the same amount of vaccine a full grown cat gets, which doesn't seem right to me. Lorrie On 10-29, MaryChristine wrote: i respectfully disagree. asymptomatic FeLVs are not sick cats. every sanctuary or multi-cat household will tell you that until the virus is activated, FeLVs are just normal cats--they get sick, they get treated, they get well. in sanctuary settings, FeLVs are kept with other FeLVs, in all stages of sickness and health. since FeLV kills through opporunistic infections as well as lymphomas and other manifestations, if the healthy FeLVs in the populations were seriously immune-compromised, each time one of them went into their final battle, all the others would get sick as well and be unable to fight off the onslaughts of new infections. this does not happen. if you have two FeLVs in the house and one becomes ill, why doesn't the other, sick cat, immediately succumb? this is another misunderstanding, i truly believe, from vets who haven't bothered to keep up on the research, and/or to adequately educate their patients. let me tell you, however, if you've ever seen a cat die of panleukopenia, you won't ever want it to happen again. there are ALWAYS risks in using ANY drug, and while there have certainly been reactions to vaccines throughout time, the way to counter our over-vaccinated society isn't necessarily to stop doing them at all. a symptomatic cat is sick; it may not have a thing to do with the FeLV, but an asymptomatic cat being sick because it may have FeLV, is like saying that all of us who had chicken pox are sick, because we've got that herpes virus just waiting to break out into herpes. MC (haven't you missed me?) On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:29 PM, MacKenzie, Kerry N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sally, I personally would not vaccinate a positive cat. See Jean Dodds' and Charles Loop's (both vets) views here. (The paragraph below is taken from the website.) Kerry M. http://www.newsagepress.com/protectyourpet.html All packages of vaccinations carry warnings that they should be injected only in healthy animals. In the case of cats, vaccine manufacturers advise against vaccinating pregnant or nursing cats. However, many pets are not healthy when vaccinated although they might not have outward signs of health problems. Charles Loops, DVM, a holistic veterinarian from Pittsboro, North Carolina, notes that chemically killed viruses or bacteria are injected directly into the blood stream, which is an unnatural route of infection. (7) This causes the animal's antibodies to attempt to fight off the offending virus molecules and render them harmless. If the animal's immune system is too weakened, he or she cannot fight off these viruses and can develop a reaction to the vaccine. Even small amounts of a virus that is introduced through a vaccination may be too much for sick animals to fight off. They then may fall ill from the very disease to which they have been vaccinated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make
RE: spooked about vaccinations
Marie: There's lost of info out there now about over-vaccination, so it's something to look into. You can google that term as it is related to cats and you will find a ton of info. If the cat is healthy, then generally vaccinations are safe. However, it's important to realize that a vaccination triggers an immune response in the body. In a cat with a defective immune system due to Felv, this can definitely cause additional problems. Vaccines are stressful even for a healthy cat and many people are getting away from doing them. The frequent adverse reactions that a completely healthy cat will have to a Rabies and/or an FVRCP shot I believe is evidence of the fact that they are stressful to the cat's body and immune system. A lot of vets- with homeopathic/holistic mostly leading the charge, but conventional vets are doing it now too- now recommend running titers to detect any antibodies in the blood first before doing any vaccs. If there are antibodies present in the blood already, there really isn't a need for that vacc. I recommend asking your vet merely to check for titers first before considering any additional vaccs. As to the Rabies shot, there is new evidence out there now that appears to demonstrate that one Rabies shot should be sufficient, especially for an indoor cat, for the lenght of the cat's life. Another thing to google is the incidence of rabies in felines in your areaI bet you it's non-existent. Because rabies is not the problem it used to be and one shot appears to protect a cat for life, a lot of people are moving away from having rabies done again. There is a waiver form your vet can fill out and you submit that allows you to get out of having a rabies done. My holistic vet has mentioned doing this many times. I personally haven't done this yet, but I know a lot of people on the FIP support group who are doing this now. Many of them feel that vaccines are one of the triggers for a cat who mutates the coronavirus into FIP. Many of them had perfectly healthy cats until just after first shots and/or boosters were done, so they are on the cutting edge of the anti-vaccine movement currently and most of the information I am passing on to you I have gotten from them and also my holistic vet. Since I feel that Brumley most likely had FIP, I also wonder if the vaccs he was given when already stressed from being at Animal Control as a baby, not being nursed long enough, if at all, being neutered immediately at 2 lbs, suffering from reoccurring URIs and being vaccinated on top of all that, could definitely have been the trigger for that poor little guy's body inappropriate mutation of the coronavirus into FIP. So I am myself taking a serious look at the vaccine issue and plan to go the titer route when it comes to my cats needed boosters, etc. I will try to get more direct info from the FIP group (website links with info, etc.) and pass it on to this site. caroline Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:36:44 -0800From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: spooked about vaccinationsTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hello, I haven't been posting in a while. A year ago, I had a cat who died within several weeks of being dx with feline leukemia. Other than ocassionally sneezing, Cakooie seemed like a healthy kitty. He was my first cat, so there was a lot i didn't know about feline dieases. But he ate well and was playful. Then three weeks after he had his vaccinations, he went down quickly. His sister, Chica, has tested negative twice within 90 days. I think she will be okay. It's time to have her vaccinations again, and I'm just scared because of what happened to my other cat. I know the vaccinations didn't cause him to get leukemia. I think they did make him worse. He was vaccinated for rabies and distemper. Chica is an indoor cat, so I don't know what vaccinations she really needs. Rabies is required. She probably should get a booster for distemper. Do you think after two negative tests and a good checkup that it is safe to assume she's felv free? Are vaccinations generally safe? Thanks for your input. Marie Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _ Climb to the top of the charts! Play the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_jan
Re: spooked about vaccinations
Marie, this is all new to me, but according to my vet, cats with feline leukemia do not get the same vaccinations as healthy cats, so it may very well have been what hastened your cat's demise. I'm not even going to have him vaccinated for anything at this point. Personally if an animal is strictly an indoor cat, I'm not sure they're all that necessary, but in your case, I would hold off for a longer time. Lynne - Original Message - From: MarieG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:36 PM Subject: spooked about vaccinations Hello, I haven't been posting in a while. A year ago, I had a cat who died within several weeks of being dx with feline leukemia. Other than ocassionally sneezing, Cakooie seemed like a healthy kitty. He was my first cat, so there was a lot i didn't know about feline dieases. But he ate well and was playful. Then three weeks after he had his vaccinations, he went down quickly. His sister, Chica, has tested negative twice within 90 d ays. I think she will be okay. It's time to have her vaccinations again, and I'm just scared because of what happened to my other cat. I know the vaccinations didn't cause him to get leukemia. I think they did make him worse. He was vaccinated for rabies and distemper. Chica is an indoor cat, so I don't know what vaccinations she really needs. Rabies is required. She probably should get a booster for distemper. Do you think after two negative tests and a good checkup that it is safe to assume she's felv free? Are vaccinations generally safe? Thanks for your input. Marie -- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: spooked about vaccinations
Hi Marie I share your fear of unnecessary vaccinations. A vet I use, who is very enlightened, recommended a book entitled Vaccine Guide for Dogs and Cats by Catherine Diodati. http://books.google.com/books?id=brILCAAJdq=Catherine+JM +Diodatihl=enprev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=Catherine +DiodatibtnG=Google+Searchsa=Xoi=printct=resultcd=1cad=author- navigational Google Catherine Diodati for her credentials and then get the book. It is astonishing to learn how we have been misled and misinformed about vaccinations and also how harmful they can be for an animal who's immunity is suppressed. I was flabbergasted when I read it, and I have become very careful and selective about vaccinations. I would strongly recommend the book to everyone who loves animals. Dr Richard Pitcairn wrote the intro. It is carefully researched and documented. It is not in the 'lunatic fringe' realm. Jane Hello, I haven't been posting in a while. A year ago, I had a cat who died within several weeks of being dx with feline leukemia. Other than ocassionally sneezing, Cakooie seemed like a healthy kitty. He was my first cat, so there was a lot i didn't know about feline dieases. But he ate well and was playful. Then three weeks after he had his vaccinations, he went down quickly. His sister, Chica, has tested negative twice within 90 days. I think she will be okay. It's time to have her vaccinations again, and I'm just scared because of what happened to my other cat. I know the vaccinations didn't cause him to get leukemia. I think they did make him worse. He was vaccinated for rabies and distemper. Chica is an indoor cat, so I don't know what vaccinations she really needs. Rabies is required. She probably should get a booster for distemper. Do you think after two negative tests and a good checkup that it is safe to assume she's felv free? Are vaccinations generally safe? Thanks for your input. Marie Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
spooked about vaccinations
Hello, I haven't been posting in a while. A year ago, I had a cat who died within several weeks of being dx with feline leukemia. Other than ocassionally sneezing, Cakooie seemed like a healthy kitty. He was my first cat, so there was a lot i didn't know about feline dieases. But he ate well and was playful. Then three weeks after he had his vaccinations, he went down quickly. His sister, Chica, has tested negative twice within 90 days. I think she will be okay. It's time to have her vaccinations again, and I'm just scared because of what happened to my other cat. I know the vaccinations didn't cause him to get leukemia. I think they did make him worse. He was vaccinated for rabies and distemper. Chica is an indoor cat, so I don't know what vaccinations she really needs. Rabies is required. She probably should get a booster for distemper. Do you think after two negative tests and a good checkup that it is safe to assume she's felv free? Are vaccinations generally safe? Thanks for your input. Marie - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.
Re: Whitey's Test Results and vaccinations
Hello. My vet does only one vaccination at a time and does them separately from the spay/neuter. He goes 2-4 weeks between each vaccination and the altering. Is there any point in vaccinating him for feline leukemia? I would be hesitant, I guess. Just my opinion. I only do the distemper series and rabies now. I am considering discontinuing all vaccinations for my immune compromised cats (allergies and asthma). All my cats have had the feline leukemia in earlier years. None have been vaccinated for it since 2001. Laurie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Whitey's Test Results In a message dated 10/20/2007 11:24:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow Michael! The things we do for our kitties! I am so glad his test was negative! It sounds like you are exstatic! The only thing I am wondering now is if it's too soon to do his vaccines. Is he feeling really good and not sick at all? I worry about that because the vaccines make some kitties feel bad and if Whitey is already under the weather, it might not be a good combo right now. Please keep us posted I've thought about that, Wendy. Corky Romano said he was going to check his labs first, and then if everything looks ok, proceed with the other stuff. I'm thinking I may ask him to do the dental work, labs and neutering, and wait off for a couple of weeks on the vaccines to make sure he's up to it. I know my other girls got terribly ill when they had all three of their vaccines at once. The more I've thought about it, the more I think that may be the best course of action. ~M -- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
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In a message dated 10/20/2007 1:22:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello. My vet does only one vaccination at a time and does them separately from the spay/neuter. He goes 2-4 weeks between each vaccination and the altering. Is there any point in vaccinating him for feline leukemia? I would be hesitant, I guess. Just my opinion. I only do the distemper series and rabies now. I am considering discontinuing all vaccinations for my immune compromised cats (allergies and asthma). All my cats have had the feline leukemia in earlier years. None have been vaccinated for it since 2001. Laurie Laurie/Jane: Laurie, I'm vaccinating him for FeLV because I do have two positive cats in the house. Granted, he's isolated in a separate area, I'd still just feel better, considering his close proximity to the virus, having him vaccinated. Jane, I'm not sure what you're asking when you ask how I posted his picture?? The pic was taken in the vet's office with a camera phone, which Jeff sent to me. I then inserted the pictures in an email and sent them. Whitey is living in my sunroom, so taking pictures isn't hard. I'm sorry if I'm missing the point of what you're asking? ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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I did not think it possible to send photos to the list. On Oct 20, 2007, at 1:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/20/2007 1:22:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello. My vet does only one vaccination at a time and does them separately from the spay/neuter. He goes 2-4 weeks between each vaccination and the altering. Is there any point in vaccinating him for feline leukemia? I would be hesitant, I guess. Just my opinion. I only do the distemper series and rabies now. I am considering discontinuing all vaccinations for my immune compromised cats (allergies and asthma). All my cats have had the feline leukemia in earlier years. None have been vaccinated for it since 2001. Laurie Laurie/Jane: Laurie, I'm vaccinating him for FeLV because I do have two positive cats in the house. Granted, he's isolated in a separate area, I'd still just feel better, considering his close proximity to the virus, having him vaccinated. Jane, I'm not sure what you're asking when you ask how I posted his picture?? The pic was taken in the vet's office with a camera phone, which Jeff sent to me. I then inserted the pictures in an email and sent them. Whitey is living in my sunroom, so taking pictures isn't hard. I'm sorry if I'm missing the point of what you're asking? See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
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I would vaccinate for feleuk in that case L - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 11:30 AM Subject: Re: Whitey's Test Results and vaccinations In a message dated 10/20/2007 1:22:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello. My vet does only one vaccination at a time and does them separately from the spay/neuter. He goes 2-4 weeks between each vaccination and the altering. Is there any point in vaccinating him for feline leukemia? I would be hesitant, I guess. Just my opinion. I only do the distemper series and rabies now. I am considering discontinuing all vaccinations for my immune compromised cats (allergies and asthma). All my cats have had the feline leukemia in earlier years. None have been vaccinated for it since 2001. Laurie Laurie/Jane: Laurie, I'm vaccinating him for FeLV because I do have two positive cats in the house. Granted, he's isolated in a separate area, I'd still just feel better, considering his close proximity to the virus, having him vaccinated. Jane, I'm not sure what you're asking when you ask how I posted his picture?? The pic was taken in the vet's office with a camera phone, which Jeff sent to me. I then inserted the pictures in an email and sent them. Whitey is living in my sunroom, so taking pictures isn't hard. I'm sorry if I'm missing the point of what you're asking? -- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
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In a message dated 10/20/2007 1:42:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I did not think it possible to send photos to the list. Laurie, I'm not sure. Possibly because I inserted the pictures in the email instead of attaching them as files? You might try that. ~M ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
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Susan I think that your vet is right. I would never consider vaccinating a sick kitty. This is a link to C.A. Diodati. http://www.freeyurko.bizland.com/ diodaticv.html She has researched and written exhaustively about vaccinations, and is considered a sane and reasoned voice on the subject. You might read her book before you consider anything. Jane On Sep 27, 2007, at 7:41 PM, Susan Ang wrote: Since Autumn has been sick the vet didn't want to give her her booster. The first time she got sick was two days after her first shots. She was found outside and was relatively healthy. Has anyone else had problems with a cat with viremia and vaccinations? Just curious. ~Susan A.
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Since Autumn has been sick the vet didn't want to give her her booster. The first time she got sick was two days after her first shots. She was found outside and was relatively healthy. Has anyone else had problems with a cat with viremia and vaccinations? Just curious. ~Susan A.
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I can't address the vaccinations that Autumn got but my holistic vets are recommending titers to determine what a cat needs. Apparently a lot of animals are having trouble with vaccinations. Others on the list can address this better than I. Dixie tested FeLV+ and will never receive another vaccination. Two other little friends, one with cancer and the other with auto-immune hemophilic anemia, stopped receiving vaccinations when we found out their immune systems were compromised.Any critters coming into my life will have titers run before we do any vaccinations. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Ang To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: Vaccinations Since Autumn has been sick the vet didn't want to give her her booster. The first time she got sick was two days after her first shots. She was found outside and was relatively healthy. Has anyone else had problems with a cat with viremia and vaccinations? Just curious. ~Susan A.
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Kelly I forwarded this from a Scottie list that is moderated by a DVM. According to Jean Dodds, it has been floating the internet since last year...for that reason I posted her Rabies Challenge and an 04 letter written and signed by a UK veterinarian group which I think is worth reading and thinking about. I know that the vaccine issue is charged and controversial. I think we owe it to our animals to be as aware and informed of the latest accurate research. We're dealing with 'new' science and highly charged economics and politics. On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I believe this to be an email hoax. The first sign is this information was released today - when is today? This is common among email hoaxes. The second sign is that they refer to vaccine related Fibrosarcoma. This is no longer the correct medical terminology. It is injection site sarcoma. If this is put out by a veterinary authority, surely they would use the correct terminology. I'm sure I could find more stuff wrong with it, but I don't have time to dig through it. AAFP puts out a vaccination protocol which is the one I and my vet use. On 8/7/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good information, Jane, I will cross post it. - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: NEW vaccination protocols announced today This information was released today. Because yearly vaccinations are the primary source of income for many veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical companies have lobbied against this protocol, this has been a long time coming. This version is a compromise, but nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged. There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do not vaccinate for Feline Leukemia because of ineffective results and sometimes lethal consequences. Jane Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools. I highly recommend that you read this. Copy and save it to your files. Print it and pass it out at dog fairs, cat shows, kennel club meetings, dog parks, give a copy to your veterinarian and groomer, etc. Get the word out. VACCINATION NEWS FLASH I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision. NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine, and there is little or no effect. The titer is not boosted nor are more memory cells induced. Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines. Puppies receive antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine, and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than stimulate the immune system. A series of vaccinations is given starting at 8 weeks and given 3-4 weeks apart up to 16 weeks of age. Another vaccination given sometime after 6 months of age (usually at 1 year 4 mo) will provide Lifetime immunity. CURRENT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DOGS Distemper Parvo According to Dr. Schultz, AVMA, 8-15-95, when a vaccinations series given at 2, 3 4 months and again at 1 year with a MLV, puppies and kitten program memory cells that survive for life, providing lifelong immunity. Dr. Carmichael at Cornell and Dr. Schultz have studies showing immunity against challenge at 2-10 years for canine distemper 4 years for parvovirus. Studies for longer duration are pending. There are no new strains of parvovirus as one mfg. would like to suggest. Parvovirus vaccination provides cross immunity for all types. Hepatitis (Adenovirus) is one
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I think all kinds of things are worth reading and thinking about. But this isn't presented as something to read and think about. It is presented as the literal truth and has several factual errors in it. I think it is really important to think critically about *anything* you read on the internet. I go by the AAFP vaccination protocol, except that I vaccinate all my cats against FELV, except the immune compromised ones. That means rabies every 3 years (the law in this state), FVRCP every 3 years, and FELV yearly. The AAFP vaccination protocol is published every 2 years, so anohter will be out next year. http://www.aafponline.org/resources/guidelines/2006_Vaccination_Guidelines_JAVMA.pdf On 8/7/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I forwarded this from a Scottie list that is moderated by a DVM. According to Jean Dodds, it has been floating the internet since last year...for that reason I posted her Rabies Challenge and an 04 letter written and signed by a UK veterinarian group which I think is worth reading and thinking about. I know that the vaccine issue is charged and controversial. I think we owe it to our animals to be as aware and informed of the latest accurate research. We're dealing with 'new' science and highly charged economics and politics. On Aug 7, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Kelley Saveika wrote: I believe this to be an email hoax. The first sign is this information was released today - when is today? This is common among email hoaxes. The second sign is that they refer to vaccine related Fibrosarcoma. This is no longer the correct medical terminology. It is injection site sarcoma. If this is put out by a veterinary authority, surely they would use the correct terminology. I'm sure I could find more stuff wrong with it, but I don't have time to dig through it. AAFP puts out a vaccination protocol which is the one I and my vet use. On 8/7/07, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good information, Jane, I will cross post it. - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: NEW vaccination protocols announced today This information was released today. Because yearly vaccinations are the primary source of income for many veterinarian practices, and because pharmaceutical companies have lobbied against this protocol, this has been a long time coming. This version is a compromise, but nevertheless the danger of over vaccination and of many vaccines is beginning to be acknowledged. There are many vets who, prior to this protocol, do not vaccinate for Feline Leukemia because of ineffective results and sometimes lethal consequences. Jane Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocol is now being adopted by ALL 27 North American veterinary schools. I highly recommend that you read this. Copy and save it to your files. Print it and pass it out at dog fairs, cat shows, kennel club meetings, dog parks, give a copy to your veterinarian and groomer, etc. Get the word out. VACCINATION NEWS FLASH I would like to make you aware that all 27 veterinary schools in North America are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. Some of this information will present an ethical economic challenge to vets, and there will be skeptics. Some organizations have come up with a political compromise suggesting vaccinations every 3 years to appease those who fear loss of income vs. those concerned about potential side effects. Politics, traditions, or the doctor's economic well being should not be a factor in medical decision. NEW PRINCIPLES OF IMMUNOLOGY Dogs and cats immune systems mature fully at 6 months. If a modified live virus vaccine is given after 6 months of age, it produces an immunity which is good for the life of the pet (ie: canine Distemper, Parvo, Feline distemper). If another MLV vaccine is given a year later, the antibodies from the first vaccine neutralize the antigens of the second vaccine, and there is little or no effect. The titer is not boosted nor are more memory cells induced. Not only are annual boosters for parvo and distemper unnecessary, they subject the pet to potential risks of allergic reactions, and immune-mediated hemolytic anemia. There is no scientific documentation to back up label claims for annual administration of MLV vaccines. Puppies receive antibodies through their mothers milk. This natural protection can last 8-14 weeks. Puppies kittens should NOT be vaccinated at LESS than 8 weeks. Maternal immunity will neutralize the vaccine, and little protection (0-38%) will be produced. Vaccination at 6 weeks will, however, delay the timing of the first highly effective vaccine. Vaccinations given 2 weeks apart suppress rather than
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did a bit of research to find out where the original source of this mis-attributed to Jean Dodds 'quotation' came from - it's an article from 2003 - published in Better Nutrition Vexing vaccinations: a tale of too much of a good thing - petcare Better Nutrition, May, 2003 by Ann N. Martin which can be read in full at: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FKA/is_5_65/ai_100046377 There is the oft quoted information in a paragraph above the information about Jean Dodds - (see below), so someone apparently took the paragraph above and attributed it to Dodds. VEXING VACCINATIONS: A TALE OF TOO MUCH OF A GOOD THING by Ann Martin Is your veterinarian still recommending that you have your pet vaccinated on a yearly basis? If so, you might want to reconsider-- especially given the latest information on the problems associated with over-vaccination. Research in recent years indicates that, basically, there's no scientific evidence to support the need for annual vaccinations. Annual vaccinations, a practice started many years ago, lack scientific validity or verification, says veterinarian R. Schultz, PhD, a professor at the Veterinary College at the University of Wisconsin When annual rabies shots became common in the 1950s, pet owners never questioned the vaccine's safety. It helped vanquish the disease, as well as distemper and parvovirus. Following on the heels of this success, veterinary medicine developed more and more vaccinations. However, after many years of administering annual shots, vets began to notice something ominous. A growing number of otherwise healthy cats and dogs were getting cancer and immune-related diseases. Pet owners and veterinary researchers began to question whether these problems were vaccine-related. Cats, for example, were developing fibrosarcomas--a fatal form of cancerous tumor--at the site of the vaccine injection, usually between the shoulder blades. Dogs were also getting cancerous tumors at injection sites and succumbed to immune diseases. My dog, Sarge, previously had a caring owner who vaccinated for everything on a yearly basis without realizing the consequences. Sarge now has discoid lupus, an autoimmune disease with no cure. So what's the link between vaccinations and these diseases? Vaccines are designed to stimulate the immune system, but they do so in a very unnatural way that can overwhelm the body's natural defenses. Donna Starita Mehan, DVM, a holistic veterinarian in Boring, Oregon, explains that as a result of over-vaccination, the body may overreact to normally harmless substances such as common viruses, bacteria, fungi and parasites. This can result in allergies, skin problems and bladder or ear infections--or, in extreme cases, autoimmune diseases or cancer. double dose? Another problem with traditional pet vaccines is the dosage. Veterinarian Jean Dodd, DVM, of Santa Monica, California, notes that to ensure efficacy, manufacturers for years have made vaccine doses 10 times more potent than what is necessary to challenge the immune system. One vaccine producer, Pfizer, tested its one-year rabies vaccine on live animals and discovered it lasted for at least three years. Pfizer sells the identical formula, packaged differently, in different states to satisfy different state vaccination requirements. In addition, be aware that a Chihuahua will get the same amount of a vaccine dose as a Saint Bernard--a one dose fits all formula. For example, a small puppy and a large adult dog are both given 1 cc of a combination vaccine that might contain distemper, parainfluenza and parvo. And seldom, if ever, will your veterinarian lower the dosage. In theory, your veterinarian could lose his license for not administering the full dose, says Martin Goldstein, DVM, of South Salem, New York. Or, he might have to recall all of the pets to whom he gave a substandard dose and revaccinate them at full dosages. changing attitudes About five years ago, veterinary schools began to rethink the conventional wisdom of yearly vaccination protocols due to mounting evidence pointing to the connection between immune diseases, cancers and vaccinations. In January 1998, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) recommended that cats and dogs be vaccinated only every three years. As of 2003, all 27 veterinary schools in the United States are in the process of changing their protocols for vaccinating dogs and cats. *(Dodd is mentioned below) *** Dodd has studied the pros and cons of yearly vaccinations and has written a number of papers about them. She recommends that only the first shots for puppies and kittens be a modified live virus (MLV). These vaccinations should be given as individual injections over the span of weeks or months. Because first
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Melissa, I think you are right in keeping your young kitty away from any FeLV + kitties. They have not fully developed their immune systems yet. A lot of us here do not vaccinate our indoor only cats. I don't. I've seen some scary vaccination reactions on this site and another I belong to, including cancer at the vaccination site and reactions leading to downward spirals ending in death. It's really scary, so I feel my kitties are safer w/o vaccinations. If one does vaccinate, they should do it in a place that can be removed if cancer develops, like the back legs. Avoid the neck area. :) Wendy rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not enough to cause infection. Are there other modes of transmission that I should worry about? If he's walking around in the tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes? I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to nitpick quite so much. Oh, Tonya, I live in Villa Rica, in Carroll county. Where are you located? Laura -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade
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I think you can have titers run on the little one when she is older to see what her immunity level is.I believe they are relatively expensive compared to vaccinations but even rabies titers are accepted in many states including Ky which is not a pet friendly state. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: To Melissa: RE: vaccinations Melissa, I think you are right in keeping your young kitty away from any FeLV + kitties. They have not fully developed their immune systems yet. A lot of us here do not vaccinate our indoor only cats. I don't. I've seen some scary vaccination reactions on this site and another I belong to, including cancer at the vaccination site and reactions leading to downward spirals ending in death. It's really scary, so I feel my kitties are safer w/o vaccinations. If one does vaccinate, they should do it in a place that can be removed if cancer develops, like the back legs. Avoid the neck area. :) Wendy rather not. But, if I ran a rescue where I had cats coming and going all the time, I definitely would vaccinate--more risk involved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I think that the risk of vaccination and sarcomas is so low as to be inconsequential. I think it is really important that all cats be vaccinated against FELV in the first year, and my vet agrees, so that's what my rescue does, even though it adds to our cost. It is a personal decision though, like everything else. I'm certainly not trying to tell other folks what to do. I did see that the latest AAFP vaccination guidelines recommend going to once every 3 years against distemper... On 6/21/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that the majority of the people here mix, but I never would. This is probably because I'm a newbie to this and a doubting-Thomas of sorts, but I just can't bring myself to expose my youngest (less than one year) since she would be most susceptible, and I've opted not to vaccinate her against FeLV because of the risk associated with vaccination and sarcomas. I don't have any FeLV cats now, but when I did, I kept him in one room until I was able to find him a home. It was a lonely life for the poor guy, but I spent a lot of time with him. If I had to do it long-term, I'd set up an area for several FeLV cats so they could have companionship. That's my plan for the future. But, I'll have to say that most people here know a lot more about this than I do-but that's just my own personal choice so far. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 2:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: The best food for Duncan?? I was just there yesterday! I live in Woodstock, but we have a place on Lake Buckhorn. I would say the majority of the people on this list mix their positive and negative cats as long as they are adults and have been vaccinated. I have done this over 10 years with no problems. I can't tell you dosages, because I don't give DD anything special except 'good' food. (Whatever that may be these days) Royal Canin. tonya Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not enough to cause infection. Are there other modes of transmission that I should worry about? If he's walking around in the tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes? I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to nitpick quite so much
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Nina, Petition signed and passed on to other groups and friends! Thanks for posting that! Hugs, Patti
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Done---thanks, Nina. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Safer Vaccinations for Companion Animals Petition Hi Everyone, I was looking into cancer occurrence due to vaccinations and came across this petition. I thought you guys might be interested in signing it as well. Nina http://www.petitiononline.com/petvax23/petition.html This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
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Hi Everyone, I was looking into cancer occurrence due to vaccinations and came across this petition. I thought you guys might be interested in signing it as well. Nina http://www.petitiononline.com/petvax23/petition.html
