Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:17:16 -0200 From: Jose Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 In a few days I'll buy a u105 to use with debian unstable.. Hibernate is a must have feature, so I'll manage to solve that anyway.. On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 02:43 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:41:26 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 u100. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Jose Tavares wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:28:23 -0200 From: Jose Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 10:43 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:41:20 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 anyone know how to keep the display from messing up recoving from standby and hibernate? which libby model?
Re: [LIB] battery check
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:03:49 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check Sir Im not checking for resistance, Im checking for voltage to see if the battery is fully charged. Most battery have a plus (+) side and a minus (-), I just asked for that. I warning from you would be fine, A scolding is not my name is carval in the future dont answer by posting I dont need your advice if you have to ask that you don't know enough to test them. the libretto battery pack uses li-ion cells which are explosive and you need specific training to work on them. you do NOT just connect li-ion cells to an ohmmeter to test the resistance. they could just just blow up in your face. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, carval wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:57:08 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check Hi I have two batteries I would like to check with a ohm meter. The Libertto battery has 6-8 contacts, which ones do I use to test for voltage? tia -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Return-Path: libretto@basiclink.com Received: from mx12.lax.untd.com (mx12.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.72]) by maildeliver11.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB77KNBA38PSTJ for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sender libretto@basiclink.com); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail7.basiclink.com (bl24.basiclink.com [69.43.160.107]) by mx12.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB77KNBAKRX8VS for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sender libretto@basiclink.com); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail7.basiclink.com ([69.43.160.6]) by mail7.basiclink.com (Merak 8.3.8) with ASMTP id IYZ65311; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:09 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto libretto@basiclink.com Reply-To: Libretto libretto@basiclink.com Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Strange battery behaviour Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.00 required=3.00 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,X_X_PRESENT,BAYES_00,NO_RDNS2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1 (1.5) on mail7.basiclink.com X-ContentStamp: 11:5:1340183153 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 69.43.160.107|bl24.basiclink.com|mail7.basiclink.com|libretto@basiclink.com X-UNTD-UBE:-1 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:46:40 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Strange battery behaviour sounds like you have a bad board in the pack. On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Laszlo Szalai wrote: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:14:36 +0100 From: Laszlo Szalai [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Strange battery behaviour Dear Friends, My lovely 110CT doing strange things with the battery : After a full load, it is working about one and a plusz half our and when a the battery reaches it's 42 percent load the load drops to 4 percent. When I attach the charger. It is charging from 3 or 4 % I did a full deep discharge and full load few times, does not help Any idea ? The battery died ? I hope nothing wrong with my loved libby Best LeZ __ Call Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere in the World - FREE! Free Internet calling from NetZero Voice Visit http://www.netzerovoice.com today! _ Call Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere in the World - FREE! Free Internet calling from NetZero Voice Visit http://www.netzerovoice.com today!
Re: [LIB] battery check
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:03:18 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check boy-oh you don't tell me what to do. I suggest you contact the list manager if you wish me to not post on ignorant posts, especially where some dummy (you) wants me specifically (you posted on my response) to explain stuff which in reality is something you shouldn't touch because you don't have the skills for it and where YOU could INJURE OTHERS. john On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, carval wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:03:49 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check Sir Im not checking for resistance, Im checking for voltage to see if the battery is fully charged. Most battery have a plus (+) side and a minus (-), I just asked for that. I warning from you would be fine, A scolding is not my name is carval in the future dont answer by posting I dont need your advice if you have to ask that you don't know enough to test them. the libretto battery pack uses li-ion cells which are explosive and you need specific training to work on them. you do NOT just connect li-ion cells to an ohmmeter to test the resistance. they could just just blow up in your face. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, carval wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:57:08 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check Hi I have two batteries I would like to check with a ohm meter. The Libertto battery has 6-8 contacts, which ones do I use to test for voltage? tia -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Return-Path: libretto@basiclink.com Received: from mx12.lax.untd.com (mx12.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.72]) by maildeliver11.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB77KNBA38PSTJ for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sender libretto@basiclink.com); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail7.basiclink.com (bl24.basiclink.com [69.43.160.107]) by mx12.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB77KNBAKRX8VS for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sender libretto@basiclink.com); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail7.basiclink.com ([69.43.160.6]) by mail7.basiclink.com (Merak 8.3.8) with ASMTP id IYZ65311; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:09 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto libretto@basiclink.com Reply-To: Libretto libretto@basiclink.com Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Strange battery behaviour Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.00 required=3.00 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,X_X_PRESENT,BAYES_00,NO_RDNS2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1 (1.5) on mail7.basiclink.com X-ContentStamp: 11:5:1340183153 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 69.43.160.107|bl24.basiclink.com|mail7.basiclink.com|libretto@basiclink.com X-UNTD-UBE:-1 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:46:40 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Strange battery behaviour sounds like you have a bad board in the pack. On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Laszlo Szalai wrote: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:14:36 +0100 From: Laszlo Szalai [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Strange battery behaviour Dear Friends, My lovely 110CT doing strange things with the battery : After a full load, it is working about one and a plusz half our and when a the battery reaches it's 42 percent load the load drops to 4 percent. When I attach the charger. It is charging from 3 or 4 % I did a full deep discharge and full load few times, does not help Any idea ? The battery died ? I hope nothing wrong with my loved libby Best LeZ __ Call Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere in the World - FREE! Free Internet calling from NetZero Voice Visit http://www.netzerovoice.com today! _ Call Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere in the World - FREE! Free Internet calling from NetZero Voice Visit http://www.netzerovoice.com today!
Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:05:31 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 I have been able to hibernate ok at the bash shell. it messes up the screen under KDE and suspend messes at bash and KDE. john On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Jose Tavares wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:17:16 -0200 From: Jose Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 In a few days I'll buy a u105 to use with debian unstable.. Hibernate is a must have feature, so I'll manage to solve that anyway.. On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 02:43 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:41:26 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 u100. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, Jose Tavares wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:28:23 -0200 From: Jose Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 10:43 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:41:20 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 anyone know how to keep the display from messing up recoving from standby and hibernate? which libby model?
Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:09:23 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Richard Mittendorfer wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:10:31 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 Also sprach Jose Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:51:09 -0800): Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:28:23 -0200 From: Jose Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 10:43 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:41:20 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 anyone know how to keep the display from messing up recoving from standby and hibernate? which libby model? If it's about 1x0ct and the somewhat downward displaced display (X is ok, only console) after comming back from resume, booting with the frambuffer console does help. I first noticed this with 2.6.12 IIRC. its the u100 and it comes up with all kinds of funky colors. I'm quite sure the wrong way seeing the display geometry causes this. X thinks it's 800x600 not 800x480 -- about the gap the display is displaced. I don't think it's some kernel problem. It looks like rather X related. it could be similar since the native res is 800x600 (I believe) and I am running it at 1024x748. I'm thinking its a combination of that and the sync being wrong from the start. sl ritch
Re: [LIB] battery check
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:05:21 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check Also sprach carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tue, 31 Jan 2006 07:07:09 -0800): Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:03:49 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check Sir Im not checking for resistance, Im checking for voltage to see if the battery is fully charged. Most battery have a plus (+) side and a minus (-), I just asked for that. You can get this information from ACPI too. I don't know how accurate it is / you need it. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/acpi/battery/MBAT/state present: yes capacity state: ok charging state: charged present rate:0 mA remaining capacity: 2280 mAh present voltage: 11330 mV [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/acpi/battery/MBAT/info present: yes design capacity: 2400 mAh last full capacity: 2280 mAh battery technology: rechargeable design voltage: 10800 mV design capacity warning: 46 mAh design capacity low: 0 mAh capacity granularity 1: 24 mAh capacity granularity 2: 24 mAh model number:XM2002P03 serial number: 260194 battery type:Li-ION OEM info: I can't tell about what pins are used, but if you open it you'll for sure be able to figure it out. Else google for datasheets. I warning from you would be fine, A scolding is not I'm quite sure it wasn't. my name is carval in the future dont answer by posting I dont need your advice This is a public list. Don't read it if you have problems with it. This is what mailfilters are for. Your have now qualified for mine. ;-) BTW: Then you'll end up with no answers from a very experienced person. sl ritch
RE: [LIB] battery check
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:24:50 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] battery check Someone needs to tell you what to do... First, you (john-photoengineering) didn't answer Carval's question. They asked what the contacts were. You may answer the question they asked, but you didn't do that. If you don't know, (as is obvious you often do not in other threads) there is nothing wrong with not knowing. It is ok, we are all here to learn or share what we have learned. Second, Carval CAN tell you to not reply posts. There is nothing to stop you from doing so, but, in fact, Carval can tell you anything they wish. (e.g. boy-oh you don't tell me what to do.) I have read this entire archive since the beginning and I have never seen a person as smartass and reactive as you here on this Libretto site. Maybe they got removed, or maybe they grew up a bit and learned to be helpful without talking down to those with less knowledge. Your off on a tangent type responses (not answers) often do not even directly relate to the questions asked, as in this case. e.g. you do NOT just connect li-ion cells to an ohmmeter to test the resistance. Carval SAID which ones do I used to test for voltage. The device is called an ohm-meter. You didn't read or comprehend the question. You just jumped on Carval like a child. Third, Carval is correct... you (john-photoengineering) scolded, you didn't just offer information. if you have to ask that you don't know enough to test them. That is name calling, if you need it clarified. Again, you may answer the question, if you know the answer, and then suggest it might be dangerous due to the nature of LI batteries, but all this other crap you seem to think is a reply you need to keep to yourself. It is unlikely you will read this post anyway. I have already blocked your emails anyway, so I don't care what your response might be. Fourth, the irony of your response to carval... you call them a dummy and ignorant. Then you determine their capabilities with something you shouldn't touch and you don't have the skills. How would you know? There is not enough information in Carval's post for you to determine what they are capable of. You assume more than anyone I have ever seen here on this libretto site. Fifth, All this attacking and name calling nature of yours is unacceptable most anywhere in the world. In person you would be corrected through assault should you be abusive as you are here on this system. This is just one disadvantage to systems like this, allowing people like yourself being able to hide behind keyboards and monitors. (almost done) Nearly everyone here has always been so helpful, non-judgmental, and in general thorough, I really cringe every time I see one of your reactive childish posts. Maybe you think you are trying to be funny, but in person, you would be stopped... and it would probably hurt. I believe a post like the forwarded letter you sent to the satellite service provider deserves your removal from this system... but lucky for you (sad for the rest of us) I don't control it. You may be intelligent and knowledgeable and it may serve you well, but this site seems to be a place for people who are knowledgeable, people who wish to increase their knowledge, and those with intelligence that wish it to serve others well also. Note that these things are all without being abusive or talking down to others. If you look around, there are some VERY knowledgeable people here, who have never once been rude to least knowledgeable people here. This could be a model for you... maybe you (john-photoengineering) could learn more than just about librettos here... maybe you could learn a bit about kindness and or sharing without all the abusive, smart-ass remarks. Maybe you can tell from this post that I am trying to be helpful to you (john-photoengineering) without being abusive. I hope I don't get removed from the system for being off topic though. ; ) Kind regards, John Martin = -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:05 AM To: Libretto Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 11:03:18 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check boy-oh you don't tell me what to do. I suggest you contact the list manager if you wish me to not post on ignorant posts, especially where some dummy (you) wants me specifically (you posted on my response) to explain stuff which in reality is something you shouldn't touch because you don't have the skills for it and where YOU could INJURE OTHERS. john On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, carval wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 15:03:49 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check Sir Im not checking for resistance, Im checking for voltage to see if the battery is fully charged. Most battery have a plus
Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 16:32:12 -0200 From: Jose Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 On Tue, 2006-01-31 at 09:09 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: it could be similar since the native res is 800x600 (I believe) and I am running it at 1024x748. I'm thinking its a combination of that and the sync being wrong from the start. I've read that the native resolution for u100 is 1280x768, isn't it? I think there could be some problem related to video memory on hibernation .. Have you already tried to decrease video memory and then hibernate? [] JA Tavares
Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:52:14 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 Also sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:09:55 -0800): On Tue, 31 Jan 2006, Richard Mittendorfer wrote: Also sprach Jose Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mon, 30 Jan 2006 21:51:09 -0800): Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:28:23 -0200 From: Jose Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 10:43 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:41:20 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 anyone know how to keep the display from messing up recoving from standby and hibernate? which libby model? If it's about 1x0ct and the somewhat downward displaced display (X is ok, only console) after comming back from resume, booting with the frambuffer console does help. I first noticed this with 2.6.12 IIRC. its the u100 and it comes up with all kinds of funky colors. This sounds like an error in the X display driver initializing the chipset. AFAIK there's some intel GMCH inside? I've read about problems somewhere. Can't remember exactly where, but likely on LKML. I had similar symptoms with various graphiccards and un-/semisupported displaydrivers since starting with linux. Choosing vesa schould solve it, but will give you nonacellerated video and for sure is no good option. At last for isolating the troublemaker. I'm quite sure the wrong way seeing the display geometry causes this. X thinks it's 800x600 not 800x480 -- about the gap the display is displaced. I don't think it's some kernel problem. It looks like rather X related. it could be similar since the native res is 800x600 (I believe) and I am running it at 1024x748. I'm thinking its a combination of that and the sync being wrong from the start. Don't know about the new libretto. I assume a driver problem. sl ritch
Re: [LIB] battery check
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:02:34 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check At 04:59 PM 30/01/2006 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:57:08 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check Hi I have two batteries I would like to check with a ohm meter. The Libertto battery has 6-8 contacts, which ones do I use to test for voltage? tia Hi Carval, Just a not-so-quick word of warning - Lithium batteries ARE in theory more dangerous than your run-of-the-mill NiCAD and NiMH batteries - I know a guy who set his car on fire and I've heard of a Solar Car team burn their building down, in both cases by mis-handling the charging of LiIon and LiPoly batteries (having said THAT, I've burnt myself several times on NiCAD batteries whilst I've never once received an injury from LiIon and LiPoly despite having used the latter significantly more nowadays). If you're not putting any charge into the battery things are somewhat safer but still, if you're unfamiliar with them, I suggest 2 things - first, do a google for LiIon or LiPoly safety and do a bit of reading and secondly, get yourself a dry powder extinguisher (it's the most effective household extinguisher to use against lithium and electrical fires - you should be using something like a Metelex extinguisher but they're generally only available to industries) and/or a fire blanket (actually, you should have one within a few seconds dash of you whenever you work with electronics anyway). At any rate the usual disclaimers apply - all advice provided in good faith, no responsibility taken for injury/damage/death/insults-to-your-so-and-so/etc. :-) Now for the info you actually asked for! An ohmmeter won't do you any good - you need a voltmeter (or a multimeter on the 20V DC range). Do NOT connect an ohmmeter or ammeter (or pretty much any other meter that isn't a voltmeter or battery meter) directly across a battery unless you really know what you're doing - there's a good chance you'll blow up your meter and at worst you'll put a direct short across the battery and cause a fire. Just checking - I'm sure you knew the difference, I'm just accounting for the small (but potentially not insignificant) chance that you didn't ;-D If you look at the Libretto service manual (available on David Chien's site I believe), Appendix C has pin assignments which include the battery connector (C.12 PJ510). According to it, the terminals you want are pins 1 and 10 (the outermost 2) - so if you use a DMM with auto polarity, just connect the probes across the outer 2 terminals (you don't need to worry about which way around they go). For reference, it's hard to do any damage (at least not to the device under test) by connecting a voltmeter across it (about the only exception is if you use a cheap voltmeter with a relatively low resistance and you're careless with your anti-static precautions and the circuit you're testing has high impedance drivers in which case you might cause some spiking of lines and/or static discharge problems) so for batteries you could just test lines at random and see where you get the max voltage. Now for the bad news ... testing a battery under open circuit (no load) conditions often doesn't tell you much about its condition (apart from it being completely gone if it's reading too low). You really need to load it up (and often for a little while) before testing it, that's something you need to be very careful of if you're not doing it in-circuit. If you're brave, you could disassemble the Libretto's motherboard, plug it into the battery then monitor the terminal voltage as you power it up but I think that may be a little outside the scope of what you may be willing to do! ;-P Good luck! - Raymond P.S. As for handling posts that you regard as abusive, here's a tip that you probably already know ... if you can, read the posts for 'interest', if you can't, just ignore the posts ... this is the Internet, people are free to post what they want and you are free to read what you want and people on the sidelines will take their sides accordingly. Whatever you do, don't let it upset you! :-) --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] battery check
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:34:18 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check Safety training in LiIon pack work have always been issues with John Carvel, as I'm sure you know from readind the list as long as you have been. But you also know that people on the list have succeeded in working on these packs. John is right though.You do need to be careful when working on LiIon battery packs. John must have mis-read your message when he thought you wanted to measure resistance, as you clearly state you want to measure the voltage with the meter your described as an 'ohm-meter'. Though 'multimeter' may be a more appropriate term. I read somewhere about what voltages for these packs were supposed to be. Maybe in the archives. As for which contacts are which... I was wondering that myself. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check if you have to ask that you don't know enough to test them. the libretto battery pack uses li-ion cells which are explosive and you need specific training to work on them. you do NOT just connect li-ion cells to an ohmmeter to test the resistance. they could just just blow up in your face. On Mon, 30 Jan 2006, carval wrote: Hi I have two batteries I would like to check with a ohm meter. The Libertto battery has 6-8 contacts, which ones do I use to test for voltage? tia Dear Friends, My lovely 110CT doing strange things with the battery : After a full load, it is working about one and a plusz half our and when a the battery reaches it's 42 percent load the load drops to 4 percent. When I attach the charger. It is charging from 3 or 4 % I did a full deep discharge and full load few times, does not help Any idea ? The battery died ? I hope nothing wrong with my loved libby Best LeZ
Re: [LIB] battery check
Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:42:39 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check I was looking for someone on the list by the name of John Carvel before I realised that a comma probably went walkabouts ;-D - Raymond At 05:37 PM 31/01/2006 -0800, you wrote: Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:34:18 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check Safety training in LiIon pack work have always been issues with John Carvel, snip --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] battery check
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:39:58 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check In a message dated 1/31/2006 11:31:39 AM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 12:24:50 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] battery check Someone needs to tell you what to do... First, you (john-photoengineering) didn't answer Carval's question. They asked what the contacts were. You may answer the question they asked, but you didn't do that. If you don't know, (as is obvious you often do not in other threads) there is nothing wrong with not knowing. It is ok, we are all here to learn or share what we have learned. Second, Carval CAN tell you to not reply posts. There is nothing to stop you from doing so, but, in fact, Carval can tell you anything they wish. (e.g. boy-oh you don't tell me what to do.) I have read this entire archive since the beginning and I have never seen a person as smartass and reactive as you here on this Libretto site. Maybe they got removed, or maybe they grew up a bit and learned to be helpful without talking down to those with less knowledge. Your off on a tangent type responses (not answers) often do not even directly relate to the questions asked, as in this case. e.g. you do NOT just connect li-ion cells to an ohmmeter to test the resistance. Carval SAID which ones do I used to test for voltage. The device is called an ohm-meter. You didn't read or comprehend the question. You just jumped on Carval like a child. Third, Carval is correct... you (john-photoengineering) scolded, you didn't just offer information. if you have to ask that you don't know enough to test them. That is name calling, if you need it clarified. Again, you may answer the question, if you know the answer, and then suggest it might be dangerous due to the nature of LI batteries, but all this other crap you seem to think is a reply you need to keep to yourself. It is unlikely you will read this post anyway. I have already blocked your emails anyway, so I don't care what your response might be. Fourth, the irony of your response to carval... you call them a dummy and ignorant. Then you determine their capabilities with something you shouldn't touch and you don't have the skills. How would you know? There is not enough information in Carval's post for you to determine what they are capable of. You assume more than anyone I have ever seen here on this libretto site. Fifth, All this attacking and name calling nature of yours is unacceptable most anywhere in the world. In person you would be corrected through assault should you be abusive as you are here on this system. This is just one disadvantage to systems like this, allowing people like yourself being able to hide behind keyboards and monitors. (almost done) Nearly everyone here has always been so helpful, non-judgmental, and in general thorough, I really cringe every time I see one of your reactive childish posts. Maybe you think you are trying to be funny, but in person, you would be stopped... and it would probably hurt. I believe a post like the forwarded letter you sent to the satellite service provider deserves your removal from this system... but lucky for you (sad for the rest of us) I don't control it. You may be intelligent and knowledgeable and it may serve you well, but this site seems to be a place for people who are knowledgeable, people who wish to increase their knowledge, and those with intelligence that wish it to serve others well also. Note that these things are all without being abusive or talking down to others. If you look around, there are some VERY knowledgeable people here, who have never once been rude to least knowledgeable people here. This could be a model for you... maybe you (john-photoengineering) could learn more than just about librettos here... maybe you could learn a bit about kindness and or sharing without all the abusive, smart-ass remarks. Maybe you can tell from this post that I am trying to be helpful to you (john-photoengineering) without being abusive. I hope I don't get removed from the system for being off topic though. ; ) Kind regards, John Martin Thank you, John Martin. I couldn't have said it better myself - or with greater restraint. But I've sure wanted to, and with much less restraint. Lee
Re: [LIB] Can't you just feel the love in this list ...
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 20:29:54 -0800 From: Mark Srebnik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Can't you just feel the love in this list ... Raymond, Your post is great I think we should all join hands now and sing 'Kumbayah'. All together now. ;-) Mark Silicone Valley Digerati on 1/31/06 5:39 PM, Raymond at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 09:37:03 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Can't you just feel the love in this list ... Hi all! I realise this is the Internet, people can post what they want and all that and I do realise that a vast majority, if not all, posts to the list are done in good faith ... but as no more than a fellow list member may please I take the liberty of reminding everyone that it is a person on the other end of the post, a person just like yourself - a person with feelings and emotions. A little care in posting can mean the difference between making someone happy and grateful and making someone feel depressed or annoyed, even if only for an instant. I'm sure I know which one I want! :-P I don't mean to be high-and-mighty about this so if it seems that way, well, that wasn't my intention! :-) At this point I would like to dispense a virtual hug/handshake/suitable_greeting to everyone (and I do mean everyone) on the list. Please reply to this post if you wish to do the same, even if it sounds like a stupid concept! :-D *hug* - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] unsubscribe
Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:38:09 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] unsubscribe Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:10:36 +0100 From: MpW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: unsubscribe unsubscribe How do i unsubscribe from this list? * ---TO UNSUBSCRIBE--- Reply to any of the list messages. The reply mail should be addressed to: libretto@basiclink.com - Then replace any text on the message's subject line: cmd:unsubscribe _ Call Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere in the World - FREE! Free Internet calling from NetZero Voice Visit http://www.netzerovoice.com today!
RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:20:03 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review drive overlay program most likely will be needed for W98SE: http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/faq/137_win98.html As for the other OSs, they support large HDs internally as long as their at the latest service pack (W2K sp4, WXP sp2, linux okay), so there's no problems there either. adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:28:37 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Windows 98SE has a default limitation of 137GB supporting ATA interface disc drives. Therefore, your boot drive partition will have a maximum size of 137GB.! Therefore, even with a drive overlay program, you'll only see 137GB of drives larger than that under Windows 98SE on the Librettos. You can't exceed this limit at all due to the OS constraints. (ie. move up to W2K,WXP instead) W2K would be the 'best' choice for a slow Libretto due to the limited RAM available, and preferably, only on the Libretto 100/110 or newer systems (the older ones have too little RAM and CPU speed IMO). On the flip side, the Libretto U100 is now selling for as low as $1500 new (www.shopper.com), so in a few more months, it may well be a great upgrade for older Libretto owners who want a little more power and features, but a small notebook. Those who don't care should look at the $850 Sony FS810 notebook on sale this week at BestBuy.com stores! An excellent DVD burning notebook cheap that'll do quite a lot w/o spending too much. (Yes, you can get faster models and spend $$$, but that's always the case.) Those wanting even cheaper can get the HP/Compaq on sale for about $500, but I'd avoid it due to the lower reliability of HP/Compaq laptops over the past several years in PC Mag and PC World rankings. adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 11:31:04 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review (Seeing as Win9X aren't very reliable on any hard drive regardless of size, G) Tell that to my stable Win98SE L110 that has been running it for years. Key to a stable system it to set a) OS first b) drivers c) updates and patches d) apps e) settings, then make a full drive backup. At this point, everything's running rock solid and will continue to do so for years. Most people install/uninstall over the years, which leads to instabilities in any OS. Best way? restore that drive image backup, install the new app, and you'll be running a solid, stable system from the start w/o any problems from numerous installations over time. adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] Strange battery behaviour
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:46:40 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Strange battery behaviour sounds like you have a bad board in the pack. On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Laszlo Szalai wrote: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:14:36 +0100 From: Laszlo Szalai [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Strange battery behaviour Dear Friends, My lovely 110CT doing strange things with the battery : After a full load, it is working about one and a plusz half our and when a the battery reaches it's 42 percent load the load drops to 4 percent. When I attach the charger. It is charging from 3 or 4 % I did a full deep discharge and full load few times, does not help Any idea ? The battery died ? I hope nothing wrong with my loved libby Best LeZ
Re: [LIB] two dead batteries or mb?
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:50:16 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] two dead batteries or mb? reload the bios. On Tue, 3 Jan 2006, carval wrote: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 04:54:36 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: two dead batteries or mb? Happy, New Years I have a Libretto 110 that I use very lightly, I went to use it the other day, it would boot? uhm I replace the battery (I have 2 ext cap), it didnt boot, either. So I thought both neede charging? Well, either both battiers dye that the same time, or the charging system on the Libretto went bad? The computer does power-up with AC adapter. Any prognosis??? I suspect the charging sub system, because, what are the odds both batteries going out at the same time? So, to fix this problem, would I need to do a Motherboard transplant??? TIA carval __ Call Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere in the World - FREE! Free Internet calling from NetZero Voice Visit http://www.netzerovoice.com today!
Re: [LIB] L100CT/Win2K - shutdown hangs with swapfile on pcmcia disk
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:53:01 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] L100CT/Win2K - shutdown hangs with swapfile on pcmcia disk you, my friend, have corrupted drivers and/or operating system. On another note, has anyone tried putting a swap file on a big sd card on either the u100 or u105? On Sun, 1 Jan 2006, Chris Searle wrote: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2006 20:30:23 - From: Chris Searle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: L100CT/Win2K - shutdown hangs with swapfile on pcmcia disk I've been playing around with putting my Win2K swapfile on a PCMCIA disk (actually a fast CF card in an adaptor) - seems to speed things up a little, and saves the IDE disk from much thrashing. (Yes, yes, I know - limited NAND flash write cycles, blah, blah :-) However when I try to shutdown my Libby, it gets as far as displaying the Windows is shutting down... dialogue and then hangs - including the pointer. Same thing happens trying to hibernate (Win2K hibernate, not Libby's). I'm guessing that Win2K is trying to access the swapfile after the PCMCIA driver has been killed - does anybody know any better, or have a way around this? Chris.
Re: [LIB] battery check
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:57:08 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] battery check Hi I have two batteries I would like to check with a ohm meter. The Libertto battery has 6-8 contacts, which ones do I use to test for voltage? tia -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Return-Path: libretto@basiclink.com Received: from mx12.lax.untd.com (mx12.lax.untd.com [10.130.24.72]) by maildeliver11.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB77KNBA38PSTJ for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sender libretto@basiclink.com); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail7.basiclink.com (bl24.basiclink.com [69.43.160.107]) by mx12.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABB77KNBAKRX8VS for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sender libretto@basiclink.com); Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail7.basiclink.com ([69.43.160.6]) by mail7.basiclink.com (Merak 8.3.8) with ASMTP id IYZ65311; Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:11 -0800 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:47:09 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto libretto@basiclink.com Reply-To: Libretto libretto@basiclink.com Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Strange battery behaviour Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.00 required=3.00 tests=NO_REAL_NAME,DATE_IN_PAST_03_06,X_X_PRESENT,BAYES_00,NO_RDNS2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1 (1.5) on mail7.basiclink.com X-ContentStamp: 11:5:1340183153 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 69.43.160.107|bl24.basiclink.com|mail7.basiclink.com|libretto@basiclink.com X-UNTD-UBE:-1 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 17:46:40 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Strange battery behaviour sounds like you have a bad board in the pack. On Wed, 11 Jan 2006, Laszlo Szalai wrote: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:14:36 +0100 From: Laszlo Szalai [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Strange battery behaviour Dear Friends, My lovely 110CT doing strange things with the battery : After a full load, it is working about one and a plusz half our and when a the battery reaches it's 42 percent load the load drops to 4 percent. When I attach the charger. It is charging from 3 or 4 % I did a full deep discharge and full load few times, does not help Any idea ? The battery died ? I hope nothing wrong with my loved libby Best LeZ __ Call Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere in the World - FREE! Free Internet calling from NetZero Voice Visit http://www.netzerovoice.com today!
Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:28:23 -0200 From: Jose Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 10:43 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2006 12:41:20 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: stanby/hibernate kernel 2.6.14 anyone know how to keep the display from messing up recoving from standby and hibernate? which libby model?
Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:52:09 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Richard Mittendorfer wrote: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:38:09 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Also sprach John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:35:11 -0800): Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:31:38 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review I do not run linux, I run Windows 98SE as it is required for compatibility by my profession. So, will a Libretto 100/110CT running Windows 98SE be able to see all of a hard drive larger than 128GB? After some patching, that might well be the case (see below). I don't know, but AFAIK it sees what it get's from BIOS. And the Yes and no. When booting, Win98 is initially in 16-bit (DOS) mode, and then it gets all the HD info it needs through the BIOS, incl. the disk layout info from the MBR. But at the end of the boot process, Win98 takes disk I/O over from the BIOS (switch to 32-bit mode) and will be able to see all of the HD. Pity that there's no 32-bit disk partitioner in Win98. Would have avoided a lot of problems (and posts on this subject...) Libretto BIOS will not see the whole disk (INT13 limitations). So you will need some kind of bootmanager, which will pass the right table to the OS, I've heard about such a thing, but can't name one. Hope, google will help. To be precise: as the int13 extensions for disk I/O have been implemented OK, one just needs to get a proper MBR in place. *That* is hard inside a Libretto. But of course, clever software or clever procedures can help to get this together. Search the archives for more info. I doubt that W98 can _handle_ disks greater 128GiB/137.4GB(SI norm). IIRC 48bit LBA(?) first came with ServicePack1 to XP. Linux since 2.4.19 can handle them. It also doesn't read the BIOS, so the INT13 limit doesn't show up. I am almost certain I understood the 128GB limitation to be hardware, not software, so in that case the operating system, linux as well as I think it's more like a hardware specification limit, not a real HW operational limit. For Win98 etc there are patches to access drives 137 GB (not widely tested BTW AFAIK. Anyone care to try?, e.g.): http://members.aol.com/rloew1/ Philip
Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 07:07:43 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review whoa..there is something about 98 I'd forgotten. It MAY handle larger than 100GB drives ok. There was a rumor 98SE could NOT boot drives greater than 32GB safetly however I remember there being a post of someone using a 60GB (me) drive without an overlay. I was mainly using the MSDOS that came with it for recovery and life was good, saw the whole drive, no data corruption, narey a probelm. I suspect the rumor AND following rumors of small (less than 1-2TB) drives not working MAY be caused by bad hardware in the Librettos NOT by the OSes themselves. You may want to get your hardware checked by a computer tech. yours john On Sun, 29 Jan 2006, Philip Nienhuis wrote: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:52:09 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Richard Mittendorfer wrote: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:38:09 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Also sprach John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:35:11 -0800): Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:31:38 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review I do not run linux, I run Windows 98SE as it is required for compatibility by my profession. So, will a Libretto 100/110CT running Windows 98SE be able to see all of a hard drive larger than 128GB? After some patching, that might well be the case (see below). I don't know, but AFAIK it sees what it get's from BIOS. And the Yes and no. When booting, Win98 is initially in 16-bit (DOS) mode, and then it gets all the HD info it needs through the BIOS, incl. the disk layout info from the MBR. But at the end of the boot process, Win98 takes disk I/O over from the BIOS (switch to 32-bit mode) and will be able to see all of the HD. Pity that there's no 32-bit disk partitioner in Win98. Would have avoided a lot of problems (and posts on this subject...) Libretto BIOS will not see the whole disk (INT13 limitations). So you will need some kind of bootmanager, which will pass the right table to the OS, I've heard about such a thing, but can't name one. Hope, google will help. To be precise: as the int13 extensions for disk I/O have been implemented OK, one just needs to get a proper MBR in place. *That* is hard inside a Libretto. But of course, clever software or clever procedures can help to get this together. Search the archives for more info. I doubt that W98 can _handle_ disks greater 128GiB/137.4GB(SI norm). IIRC 48bit LBA(?) first came with ServicePack1 to XP. Linux since 2.4.19 can handle them. It also doesn't read the BIOS, so the INT13 limit doesn't show up. I am almost certain I understood the 128GB limitation to be hardware, not software, so in that case the operating system, linux as well as I think it's more like a hardware specification limit, not a real HW operational limit. For Win98 etc there are patches to access drives 137 GB (not widely tested BTW AFAIK. Anyone care to try?, e.g.): http://members.aol.com/rloew1/ Philip
RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 08:53:27 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review As inexpensive as drives have become, I will test one in the Libretto... of course I don't have another computer that can seed a drive that large I don't think, but I will upgrade SOMETHING in here soon. I use Novell for file sever at home and anyone here who uses it knows there have not been drive limitations for more than 10 years. I guess Novell has spoiled me, as all this crap I have had to deal with for years relative to various drive issues seems ridiculous. Novell is what I work with mostly. It has been able to deal with terabyte drive arrays since version 4.1X in about 1994. Mirrored, Striped, Duplexed, spanning as many drives as hardware would support and I have never had it choke. The file server at one location I maintain has 6 physical Data Drives with one volume. They are striped across three (for speed) and duplexed to the other three (for active redundancy). I realize the stability (of Novell) in this area of drives is because of File Server designs dealing with drive volumes spanning multiple drives of course... much different than what is expected of a PC, but Windows has always been behind real operating systems in my opinion. Cutesy Sells though doesn't it... When I get a larger than 137GB drive and the correct Windows Patches, I will see if I can get it working and report on how reliable it is in Win98. I have a 486/50 running Windows 3.11FW that can browse the net (in 256 colors), so this drive support should be easy! : ) Thanks to everyone for so much usable information on this subject. As soon as David posted that about the 160GB I started wondering. Such extensive (exhaustive?) answers are really appreciated. Thank you, John Martin -- From: Philip Nienhuis [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 4:49 AM To: Libretto Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review clipped a lot here I think it's more like a hardware specification limit, not a real HW operational limit. For Win98 etc there are patches to access drives 137 GB (not widely tested BTW AFAIK. Anyone care to try?, e.g.): http://members.aol.com/rloew1/ Philip
RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 12:38:35 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review what is windows 98? has dec sold its operating system to sun? I thought that was called solarias. what profession requires solarias? On Sat, 28 Jan 2006, John Martin wrote: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:31:38 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review I do not run linux, I run Windows 98SE as it is required for compatibility by my profession. So, will a Libretto 100/110CT running Windows 98SE be able to see all of a hard drive larger than 128GB? I am almost certain I understood the 128GB limitation to be hardware, not software, so in that case the operating system, linux as well as Windows, would be secondary as far as translation. I also realize that if the hardware of the day didn't support such drive sizes, it is likely the software addressing and interpretation would also not have been present in the OS's of that time period. I realize also that some people have Windows 2000 working on older Librettos and of course many Librettos shipped with NT, but I don't believe these OS's look at drives the same as the older Windows versions. Anyone care to expand on this? John Martin = -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 8:37 AM To: Libretto Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 10:36:52 + (UTC) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review yes, if linux is installed properly (without a drive translator) it will see the drive directly. If it doesn't work because the drive is too big you can modify the source for the operating system so it'll work. On another note, I've found software for all the hardware of the U100 (including the software modem--still trying to get it to work as a dsl modem by the way--no success yet--heh..just read what I wrote, software for a software modem--talk about SLOW!!) EXCEPT the fingerprint sensor. Has anyone had success in finding, or has anyone written anything for it that will let it work in the shell, or is the software for it ALREADY in the kerenl? On Fri, 27 Jan 2006, John Martin wrote: Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:30:46 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review So is there any way to make a drive larger than 128GB work in the older Librettos? Or do I need to start saving for a U model? John Martin === -- From: David Chien [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:51 PM To: Libretto Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:49:58 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Just keep you're eyes out for that new 160GB 2.5 coming soon from Seagate! Should be just about ready to hit the pipelines soon adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:38:09 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Also sprach John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:35:11 -0800): Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:31:38 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review I do not run linux, I run Windows 98SE as it is required for compatibility by my profession. So, will a Libretto 100/110CT running Windows 98SE be able to see all of a hard drive larger than 128GB? I don't know, but AFAIK it sees what it get's from BIOS. And the Libretto BIOS will not see the whole disk (INT13 limitations). So you will need some kind of bootmanager, which will pass the right table to the OS, I've heard about such a thing, but can't name one. Hope, google will help. I doubt that W98 can _handle_ disks greater 128GiB/137.4GB(SI norm). IIRC 48bit LBA(?) first came with ServicePack1 to XP. Linux since 2.4.19 can handle them. It also doesn't read the BIOS, so the INT13 limit doesn't show up. I am almost certain I understood the 128GB limitation to be hardware, not software, so in that case the operating system, linux as well as Both i think. Windows, would be secondary as far as translation. I also realize that if the hardware of the day didn't support such drive sizes, it is likely the software addressing and interpretation would also not have been present in the OS's of that time period. I realize also that some people have Windows 2000 working on older Librettos and of course many Librettos shipped with NT, but I don't believe these OS's look at drives the same as the older Windows versions. Anyone care to expand on this? The old ATA standard has a 137.4 GB limit. It's gone with ATA-6. ---8--- The old ATA standard describes how to address a sector on an IDE disk using 28 bits (8 bits for the sector, 4 for the head, 16 for the cylinder). This means that an IDE disk can have at most 2^28 addressable sectors With 512-byte sectors this is 2^37 bytes, that is, 137.4 GB. The ATA-6 standard includes a specification how to address past this 2^28 sector boundary. The new standard allows addressing of 2^48 sectors. There is support in recent Linux kernels that have incorporated Andre Hedrick's IDE patch, for example 2.4.18-pre7-ac3 and 2.5.3. ---8 So I doubt, the 1x0ct will work with this drives. AFAIK there were interface changes which affect the whole IDE interface (hw). John Martin sl ritch
RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 13:35:46 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Thank you for clarifying RM... I think I read about what you described. The bios of the Libretto can't see the disks larger than 128/137, but even if you get around that with some sort of translating software, Windows 98, which is what most older Librettos are running, doesn't support the larger drives anyway, or at least not without some modifications. Seeing as Windows 98 is not really supported by Microsoft anymore anyway, it is unlikely adding such would have any positive effects of the stability of the OS anyway. (Seeing as Win9X aren't very reliable on any hard drive regardless of size, G) I just started wondering and decided to ask the question when David mentioned the 160GB Seagate 2.5... Thanks, : ) John Martin -- From: Richard Mittendorfer [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 10:39 AM To: Libretto Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:38:09 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Also sprach John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:35:11 -0800): Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:31:38 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review I do not run linux, I run Windows 98SE as it is required for compatibility by my profession. So, will a Libretto 100/110CT running Windows 98SE be able to see all of a hard drive larger than 128GB? I don't know, but AFAIK it sees what it get's from BIOS. And the Libretto BIOS will not see the whole disk (INT13 limitations). So you will need some kind of bootmanager, which will pass the right table to the OS, I've heard about such a thing, but can't name one. Hope, google will help. I doubt that W98 can _handle_ disks greater 128GiB/137.4GB(SI norm). IIRC 48bit LBA(?) first came with ServicePack1 to XP. Linux since 2.4.19 can handle them. It also doesn't read the BIOS, so the INT13 limit doesn't show up. I am almost certain I understood the 128GB limitation to be hardware, not software, so in that case the operating system, linux as well as Both i think. Windows, would be secondary as far as translation. I also realize that if the hardware of the day didn't support such drive sizes, it is likely the software addressing and interpretation would also not have been present in the OS's of that time period. I realize also that some people have Windows 2000 working on older Librettos and of course many Librettos shipped with NT, but I don't believe these OS's look at drives the same as the older Windows versions. Anyone care to expand on this? The old ATA standard has a 137.4 GB limit. It's gone with ATA-6. ---8--- The old ATA standard describes how to address a sector on an IDE disk using 28 bits (8 bits for the sector, 4 for the head, 16 for the cylinder). This means that an IDE disk can have at most 2^28 addressable sectors With 512-byte sectors this is 2^37 bytes, that is, 137.4 GB. The ATA-6 standard includes a specification how to address past this 2^28 sector boundary. The new standard allows addressing of 2^48 sectors. There is support in recent Linux kernels that have incorporated Andre Hedrick's IDE patch, for example 2.4.18-pre7-ac3 and 2.5.3. ---8 So I doubt, the 1x0ct will work with this drives. AFAIK there were interface changes which affect the whole IDE interface (hw). John Martin sl ritch
Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 01:22:55 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Also sprach Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat, 28 Jan 2006 15:35:10 -0800): At 10:39 AM 28/01/2006 -0800, you wrote: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:38:09 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Also sprach John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sat, 28 Jan 2006 09:35:11 -0800): Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2006 11:31:38 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review [...] I am almost certain I understood the 128GB limitation to be hardware, not software, so in that case the operating system, linux as well as Both i think. Well sorta ... it's a firmware and software limitation but not actually a hardware limitation (such as a lack of bus lines) :-) see. I wasn't sure, since ATA-6 looks more like a protcol change, but.. Having said that AFAIK no-one has modded the firmware (in this case, probably the BIOS and IDE controller) to handle the ATA limit so the distinction is somewhat academic. .. I wouldn't be surprised if 1x0ct's crappy ide controller (isa? it can't even do DMA) will just say no thanks to these drives. However I'd be happy to be proven wrong. :-) snip So I doubt, the 1x0ct will work with this drives. AFAIK there were interface changes which affect the whole IDE interface (hw). You could always do something silly like use a SATA PCMCIA card then run wires back to the hard drive bay and somehow get a HDD and connector to fit into the original HDD bay (should be possible with some creative plasticwork) ... then figure out how to boot the Libretto off the SATA PCMCIA card :-) ..and use a very very tiny cfcard(to-ide-adaptor) to boot from? Sounds reasonable. Wouldn't a raid0 setup with 6 or even 10 of those 0,85 inch drives be fun? ;-) sl ritch
Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 09:20:46 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review snip Having said that AFAIK no-one has modded the firmware (in this case, probably the BIOS and IDE controller) to handle the ATA limit so the distinction is somewhat academic. .. I wouldn't be surprised if 1x0ct's crappy ide controller (isa? it can't even do DMA) will just say no thanks to these drives. However I'd be happy to be proven wrong. :-) The 1x0ct's IDE controller almost certainly won't understand ATA-6 but I'm almost certain the drive will recognise this and fall back into compatibility mode ... snip You could always do something silly like use a SATA PCMCIA card then run wires back to the hard drive bay and somehow get a HDD and connector to fit into the original HDD bay (should be possible with some creative plasticwork) ... then figure out how to boot the Libretto off the SATA PCMCIA card :-) ..and use a very very tiny cfcard(to-ide-adaptor) to boot from? Sounds reasonable. Wouldn't a raid0 setup with 6 or even 10 of those 0,85 inch drives be fun? ;-) Well, what with these Alienware bric^H^H^H^Hlaptops with their dual hard drive bays and dual optical drives I'm sure it's possible to fit 10 or even maybe 20 CF cards or microdrives with interfaces in a laptop ;-D Somehow I'm not sure how many you'll manage to fit into the Libretto though ... it DOES have the capability to manage 4 Cardbus slots though (with the docking station) so a RAID setup of some form isn't totally stupid (partially maybe!) ... I wonder how long it'll be before we can fit 1TB into a laptop the size of the Libretto ... - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:30:46 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review A 160GB 2.5... That is a big drive. I remember when I had a Midwest Micro Elite Notebook with the HUGE 120MB Drive in... after all, it was a 486 expandable to 8 MEG of ram you know. Then I heard of a NEW 340MB drive to be coming out from Toshiba. I got on the waiting list and paid about $700 USD for that drive I think. Then a year or so later a 540MB drive was announced. I got on that list also and I think it was less than $600 USD. That was probably 10 years ago or more and they keep getting cheaper. Amazing to me. BTW, both of those hard drives still work. I adapted the 340MB into an IBM 486 Blue Lightening 486-50MZ computer which is still in use on my network today. (like right now acutally) and the 540MB drive still works in the Midwest Micro Elite notebook. It also is used on the network with a parallel port Ethernet adapter running DOS and Windows 3.11. Anyway, the point is that drives sure have changed fast. I am very young, but have seen so much change in the area of electronic and computers. I can't even imagine the change in computers my father has seen. So is there any way to make a drive larger than 128GB work in the older Librettos? Or do I need to start saving for a U model? John Martin === -- From: David Chien [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:51 PM To: Libretto Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2006 16:49:58 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Just keep you're eyes out for that new 160GB 2.5 coming soon from Seagate! Should be just about ready to hit the pipelines soon adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 21:36:04 -0800 From: John Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review I installed this same drive in my 110CT and use it constantly. Thanks to this site and lots of helpful people here, I was able to format it correctly and once again use hibernation... always. In the past I just didn't use hibernation but learned the hardware WOULD hibernate independent of the Operating System, and it wiped out data on my drive. If you are like me and run Windows with a lot of setup and too much installed, booting is a lesson in patience and hibernation is a huge time saver. I have seen complaints on this site about Libretto Hibernation issues, but I never have any problems with hibernation unless I change hardware around and try to wake it back up. Hardware needs to stay the same for Windows sake. Anyway, if anyone else is considering this drive or any large capacity drive, with the knowledge found on this site it can be done and done right! : ) Again thanks to everyone here that offers a hand when so many people come here for Libretto assistance. This is a really great site and I wish there were sites this dedicated for many other things besides these wonderful tiny computers. Thanks! John Martin = -- From: David Chien [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:35 PM To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] Toshiba 100GB HD review Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:34:52 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Toshiba 100GB HD review http://cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=16142 adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] connecting camera to lib70ct
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 20:41:18 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] connecting camera to lib70ct Tim de Jong wrote: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:36:16 +0100 From: Tim de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] connecting camera to lib70ct Tim de Jong wrote: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:54:41 +0100 From: Tim de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: connecting camera to lib70ct Hi, I'm looking for a way to get photo's of my camera to the lib70ct. I've tried an usb pcmcia card but that one is 32bit and not supported. I think there are to ways to accomplish this. Get an pcmcia card reader or pcmcia usb card. I use linux on my libretto and my camera is an sony P73. Does anyone know if it's possible to use an memory card reader which supports linux on the lib70ct or a supported pcmcia usb controller? Get a PCMCIA CompactFlash adapter for about $10 US. http://cgi.ebay.com/CompactFlash-CF-Type-II-2-I-PCMCIA-Adapter-Reader-NEW_W 0QQitemZ8754446199QQcategoryZ3710QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Too bad my camera doesn't eat compact flash but sony memory sticks. Or do you know of any pcmcia memory stick readers which are linux compatible? Yes. I got a pcmcia to SD+MMC+memory stick+another-card-format-I-forgot converter (a 4 in 1) from my local photo supply store down the block for about EUR 25,-. And as linux perceives all these pcmcia to any format converters as ide devices, all modestly recent linux versions should be able to read them out-of-the-(linux)box. In rare cases only you might need to add a stanza in /etc/pmcica/config P.
Re: [LIB] connecting camera to lib70ct
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:00:40 -0500 From: ujb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] connecting camera to lib70ct Tim de Jong wrote: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:54:41 +0100 From: Tim de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: connecting camera to lib70ct Hi, I'm looking for a way to get photo's of my camera to the lib70ct. I've tried an usb pcmcia card but that one is 32bit and not supported. I think there are to ways to accomplish this. Get an pcmcia card reader or pcmcia usb card. I use linux on my libretto and my camera is an sony P73. Does anyone know if it's possible to use an memory card reader which supports linux on the lib70ct or a supported pcmcia usb controller? Get a PCMCIA CompactFlash adapter for about $10 US. http://cgi.ebay.com/CompactFlash-CF-Type-II-2-I-PCMCIA-Adapter-Reader-NEW_W0QQitemZ8754446199QQcategoryZ3710QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 01/20/2006
RE: [LIB] connecting camera to lib70ct
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:36:16 +0100 From: Tim de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] connecting camera to lib70ct Tim de Jong wrote: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:54:41 +0100 From: Tim de Jong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: connecting camera to lib70ct Hi, I'm looking for a way to get photo's of my camera to the lib70ct. I've tried an usb pcmcia card but that one is 32bit and not supported. I think there are to ways to accomplish this. Get an pcmcia card reader or pcmcia usb card. I use linux on my libretto and my camera is an sony P73. Does anyone know if it's possible to use an memory card reader which supports linux on the lib70ct or a supported pcmcia usb controller? Get a PCMCIA CompactFlash adapter for about $10 US. http://cgi.ebay.com/CompactFlash-CF-Type-II-2-I-PCMCIA-Adapter-Reader-NEW_W 0QQitemZ8754446199QQcategoryZ3710QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Too bad my camera doesn't eat compact flash but sony memory sticks. Or do you know of any pcmcia memory stick readers which are linux compatible? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 20-1-2006
Re: [LIB] donauboe fir, acpi, and kernel 2.6
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:00:50 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] donauboe fir, acpi, and kernel 2.6 John Musielewicz wrote: for some reason I can not get the fir donauboe driver to load without and error -16 (cannot find location of the i/o base 0xffe0) when I load linux kernel 2.6.x.x NET: Registered protocol family 23 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] enabled at IRQ 11 ACPI: PCI Interrupt :00:11.0[A] - Link [LNKC] - GSI 11 (level, low) - IRQ 11 toshoboe: can't get iobase of 0xffe0 donauboe: probe of :00:11.0 failed with error -16 Have you got around this? I'm currently having exact the same trouble with 2.6.15-ck1 (tried various of them). sl ritch
Re: [LIB] donauboe fir, acpi, and kernel 2.6
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:38:19 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] donauboe fir, acpi, and kernel 2.6 I finally made up two boot entries, one that used acpi and one that used apm since it works under apm them rebooted when I need irda otherwise left it off. Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:00:50 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] donauboe fir, acpi, and kernel 2.6 John Musielewicz wrote: for some reason I can not get the fir donauboe driver to load without and error -16 (cannot find location of the i/o base 0xffe0) when I load linux kernel 2.6.x.x NET: Registered protocol family 23 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] enabled at IRQ 11 ACPI: PCI Interrupt :00:11.0[A] - Link [LNKC] - GSI 11 (level, low) - IRQ 11 toshoboe: can't get iobase of 0xffe0 donauboe: probe of :00:11.0 failed with error -16 Have you got around this? I'm currently having exact the same trouble with 2.6.15-ck1 (tried various of them). sl ritch
Re: [LIB] donauboe fir, acpi, and kernel 2.6
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 18:29:00 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] donauboe fir, acpi, and kernel 2.6 Also sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thu, 19 Jan 2006 09:01:28 -0800): Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 08:38:19 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] donauboe fir, acpi, and kernel 2.6 I finally made up two boot entries, one that used acpi and one that used apm since it works under apm them rebooted when I need irda otherwise left it off. I see. Thx for this info - I'll consider this. However, ACPI is somewhat useful. I've now loaded a edited DSTD (ACPI-Table) -- unfortunately without effect. I think I'll bother the people on the irda-ML a little bit. I hope they have an workaround or idea about this - I don't want to loose ACPI. :) I'll message if I find something. THX, ritch Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2006 10:00:50 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] donauboe fir, acpi, and kernel 2.6 John Musielewicz wrote: for some reason I can not get the fir donauboe driver to load without and error -16 (cannot find location of the i/o base 0xffe0) when I load linux kernel 2.6.x.x NET: Registered protocol family 23 ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNKC] enabled at IRQ 11 ACPI: PCI Interrupt :00:11.0[A] - Link [LNKC] - GSI 11 (level, low) - IRQ 11 toshoboe: can't get iobase of 0xffe0 donauboe: probe of :00:11.0 failed with error -16 Have you got around this? I'm currently having exact the same trouble with 2.6.15-ck1 (tried various of them). sl ritch
Re: [LIB] LIB LCD screen MOD
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 18:19:14 -0700 From: T. Braybrook [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] LIB LCD screen MOD Don't bother trying unless you have a lot of money and/or a lot of electrical engineering expertise. Laptop LCDs require specialized inputs that aren't available except on custom built cards.(They don't take standard VGA, DVI, or NTSC signals) These cards typically have lousy performance and can cost as much or more as a 17 LCD monitor. Tory On 1/11/06, Rafael Borges [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 11:54:51 + (GMT) From: Rafael Borges [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: LIB LCD screen MOD Hi there! I just got a dead LIB (unfortunately, no way to recover it). I disassembled it and now I have the LCD and its frequency inverter. My goal is to make a mod, adding this LCD as a second monitor on my computer. Seems that is not an easy task. Does anybody here have any clue on how to make it? Thanks, Rafael - Yahoo! doce lar. Faça do Yahoo! sua homepage.
Re: [LIB] Strange battery behaviour
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 15:46:37 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Strange battery behaviour That strange behaviour usually happens when the battery chemistry has deteriorated over the course of several years. You don't have to use the battery - it's simply a matter of time. The chemistry in the battery will decay over time, and result in shorter battery runtimes. Also, older battery level indication circuitry are not as advanced as the latest used in modern notebooks. Thus, they provide only an approximation of the charge left, and the older Libretto charging circuitry cannot accurate determine the lifespan of cells as they get too old. adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] Win2k installation on Lib110
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 11:51:12 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Win2k installation on Lib110 In would like to install Win2K on my Lib110, In dont have a woking floppy drive or cd/rom, I do have a 2.5 ide adapter, I have make 2 partitions 8gb and 3.5gb (with free space in between for hibernation) Simply copy the entire XP setup directory from the CD-ROM to the HD when you have the HD attached to the 2.5 to 3.5 IDE adapter and connected to a desktop PC. Reinsert the HD into the Libretto, boot into DOS mode, and rename all of the current directories. (eg. c:\windows - c:\winold) This way, you can go back to your old setup if needed. Once this has been done, start the XP setup in DOS and allow it to install into the usual directory C:\windows. You will find that this works on systems w/o CD-ROM drives or Floppy access -- all you need is to have the XP setup files on a primary bootable active partition on the HD you can jump into DOS to. adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] Win2k installation on Lib110
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 01:57:54 -0200 From: Jose Tavares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Win2k installation on Lib110 On Sat, 2006-01-07 at 17:01 -0800, carval wrote: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:58:55 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Win2k installation on Lib110 Hi In would like to install Win2K on my Lib110, In dont have a woking floppy drive or cd/rom, I do have a 2.5 ide adapter, I have make 2 partitions 8gb and 3.5gb (with free space in between for hibernation) I make the first partition bootable and copied the cabs file (i386) to the second Partition. I know, I cant run setup to install Win2K, like in Win98. What software do I need? I remember someone mentioning a software call smart drive?? can you access libby's HD using a PC and you libby? I tried one of these adapters with my 70CT without success. I was trying to install debian stable that time. After a lot of tries, I just got the install through network.. JA Tavares
Re: [LIB] Win2k installation on Lib110
Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:17:41 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Win2k installation on Lib110 carval wrote: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 00:58:55 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Win2k installation on Lib110 Hi In would like to install Win2K on my Lib110, In dont have a woking floppy drive or cd/rom, I do have a 2.5 ide adapter, I have make 2 partitions 8gb and 3.5gb (with free space in between for hibernation) I make the first partition bootable and copied the cabs file (i386) to the second Partition. I know, I cant run setup to install Win2K, like in Win98. What software do I need? I remember someone mentioning a software call smart drive?? any ideas??? The idea looks good to me :-) Have a look here: http://home.hccnet.nl/pr.nienhuis/Windows.html#Win2K for some hints and links. You can start the installation from DOS, by running D:\I386\WINNT.EXE Do not forget to first start (indeed!) smartdrv.exe (disk cache) - makes the difference between 1 hour and 4+ hour installs! (You can find it in a Windows 98 subdirectory (\Windows\COMMAND\ or maybe \Windows\ itself.) Good luck, P.
Re: [LIB] PCMCIA CD-ROM problem
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 18:09:48 +1300 From: Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] PCMCIA CD-ROM problem On Sunday 08 January 2006 10:03, carval wrote: I had a computer repair class, our teacher show us how to clean oxidized (tarnish)pins on a memory module. He would use a pencil eraser and rubbed the pins, I have tried it, found it works. You can try cleaning the pins on the pmcmia card this way?? Not on the card you won't. If other cards work ok then it may point to a gunked up hole. Anyone know of a pcmcia hole de-gunker? Injecting iso-propyl or something? Into the cards holes of course. Fran :):):)
Re: [LIB] PCMCIA CD-ROM problem
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 22:24:28 +0300 From: Vitaly Pavlenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] PCMCIA CD-ROM problem I think I narrowed down the problem. If I push the PC card into the slot firmly (and then I have to keep it pressed) - it works! It means something like PCMCIA pins in Libretto got thinner or contacts in PC cards got rusty. Anybody had similar problem? Thanks. Best regards, Vitaly
Re: [LIB] Need help contacting Toshiba Japan Support
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 19:29:31 +0300 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Need help contacting Toshiba Japan Support Hi! From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sounds like the problem I had with my PCMCIA CD-ROM/Burner,the cable between the the pcmcia card and the drive had a short. The drive would worked if I twisted the cable in a certain position. At first I thougt it was very unlikely, but tried once again - and it worked! Apparently something is wrong with the cable. Thanks for the hint! Good news is that BIOS is fine. Please excuse me for the false alarm. Best regards, Vitaly
Re: [LIB] Need help contacting Toshiba Japan Support
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:32:33 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Need help contacting Toshiba Japan Support SS1000, but suddenly discovered that my PCMCIA CD-ROM (Panasonic KXL-830AN) Maybe try uninstaling the driver under Windows, then reinstalling? So, to keep it short, I need BIOS v7.60 or similar. I even have a friend who has the same model with v7.60 BIOS, but neither Toshiba nor any other utility allows to backup notebook BIOS, right? BIOS can be dumped by the various memory hex tools available for this purpose. but loading it back into another computer can be a problem - if the loader is not a familiar type, you may have the contents of the BIOS, but not be able to load it. Can anybody in Japan or with a good knowledge of Japanese help me? I see 2 possibilities here, either to contact Toshiba Japan Support and ask them for the old BIOS file or to post a message in a forum (mailing list, user group, Only user group forums I know of are the ones in Japanese at Nifty Toshiba forums Libretters Net. adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] two dead batteries or mb?
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:47:47 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] two dead batteries or mb? uhm I replace the battery (I have 2 ext cap), it didnt boot, either. So I thought both neede charging? Well, either both battiers dye that the same time, or the charging system on the Libretto went bad? The computer does power-up with AC adapter. 1) Could be both batteries. Li-Ion chemistry does deteriorate over the years, and if you let any rechargable battery sit, it'll stop working in a few years. 2) Could be the charging circuit - but you can always test by connecting test leads to the Libretto between the battery and system to see if there's any current flowing through. 3) Could be something else. At this point, I'd try a new battery if the old ones are already 3+ years old. ebay.com has them as do other battery websites. adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] LibSS1000 (Portege 30xx) IDE bus maste drive for Win2K
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 11:57:53 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] LibSS1000 (Portege 30xx) IDE bus maste drive for Win2K http://dynabook.com/assistpc/download/index_j.htm Has all of the available drivers from Toshiba Japan. Use Bablefish.altavista.com for translation. adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] LibSS1000 (Portege 30xx) IDE bus maste drive for Win2K
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 02:58:57 +0300 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] LibSS1000 (Portege 30xx) IDE bus maste drive for Win2K From: David Chien http://dynabook.com/assistpc/download/index_j.htm Has all of the available drivers from Toshiba Japan. True, but I already tried it. No IDE driver. Japanese support site is far from perfection, too. For instance, for Libretto SS1000 one can now find only v8.10 BIOS update. Thanks anyway. Best regards, Vitaly
Re: [LIB] Need help contacting Toshiba Japan Support
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 03:05:00 GMT From: carval [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Need help contacting Toshiba Japan Support -- Vitaly Pavlenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Return-Path: libretto@basiclink.com Received: from mx09.nyc.untd.com (mx09.nyc.untd.com [10.140.24.69]) by maildeliver01.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB5X3Z9A3N4NBA for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sender libretto@basiclink.com); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:05:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail7.basiclink.com (bl24.basiclink.com [69.43.160.107]) by mx09.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABB5X3Z9AT2E992 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sender libretto@basiclink.com); Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:05:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail7.basiclink.com ([69.43.160.6]) by mail7.basiclink.com (Merak 8.3.6) with ASMTP id HWH68158; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:04:58 -0800 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 13:04:56 -0800 From: Vitaly Pavlenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto libretto@basiclink.com Reply-To: Libretto libretto@basiclink.com Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [LIB] Need help contacting Toshiba Japan Support Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.89 required=3.00 tests=BAYES_00,NO_RDNS2 version=3.1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1 (1.5) on mail7.basiclink.com X-ContentStamp: 3:4:607246336 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 69.43.160.107|bl24.basiclink.com|mail7.basiclink.com|libretto@basiclink.com X-UNTD-UBE:-1 Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2006 23:03:14 +0300 From: Vitaly Pavlenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Need help contacting Toshiba Japan Support Hi! Here is the story. Upon getting my 30 GB C4K60 Hitachi hard drive (super-slim one, if anybody remembers) I was about to replace the original one in Lib SS1000, but suddenly discovered that my PCMCIA CD-ROM (Panasonic KXL-830AN) doesn't work with my Libretto anymore. SS1000 can boot from this CD-ROM, so these are realy bad news (I hate to think I have to disassemble my Lib every time something goes wrong with the OS - and I don't have Libretto FDD). To be exact, the driver for the PC card loads OK, but the CD-ROM itself is not detected. The *Sounds like the problem I had with my PCMCIA CD-ROM/Burner,the cable between the the pcmcia card and the drive had a short. The drive would worked if I twisted the cable in a certain position. After a while (3months) It didnt work, the card was detected, but the drive didnt worked. If, used a regular scsi cable and connect it to the desktop the drive would work. same happens under DOS. The drive gets power, spins up if disc is loaded, but is never detected. Now 2 important points: Panasonic CD-ROM works fine in another computer; all other PCMCIA cards I have work fine in Libretto. Remembering that the CD-ROM for sure worked with Libretto a year ago the only thing I can suspect now is that something is wrong with the BIOS v8.10. I upgraded it from v7.60 recently, Toshiba says 8.10 corrects some issues with 3.3 V PC cards. So, to keep it short, I need BIOS v7.60 or similar. I even have a friend who has the same model with v7.60 BIOS, but neither Toshiba nor any other utility allows to backup notebook BIOS, right? Can anybody in Japan or with a good knowledge of Japanese help me? I see 2 possibilities here, either to contact Toshiba Japan Support and ask them for the old BIOS file or to post a message in a forum (mailing list, user group, whatever) that equals this mailing list. Of course, any other suggestions are appreciated. Thank you. Best regards, Vitaly __ Call Anyone, Anytime, Anywhere in the World - FREE! Free Internet calling from NetZero Voice Visit http://www.netzerovoice.com today!
Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem -- footnote
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:44:04 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem -- footnote *shrug* OK whatever makes you happier ... personally I'd prefer to trust my textbooks but that's just me :-) - Raymond At 11:57 PM 23/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:56:21 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem -- footnote i.e. I just reread what I wrote and am quite amazed. you guys probably don't know this but ever since I started studying electronics and mathematics I have always made the claim that using voltage and zero to solve problems is false and induces great effiency errors in actual real world problems. near as I can tell it does -- in the range of up to 70-90% or so. in line powered equipment this does not matter since, in general, the line power is unchanging and always there but in battery powered equipment such as what we use we loose alot of life with errors. so..quit using zero, my buds!! that will help finding the answer to super conducters!! :) john Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem hi raymond first off I know about the high currect discharge pattern of li-poly, it is like a baby brother to the lead acid discharge. snip --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem -- footnote
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 02:26:57 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem -- footnote which textbooks are you using? the exsistance of zero is an old theorm which basically says it doesn't. the definition of static follows the theorm. I've always wondered why scientists and engineers cling to zero so much. that really screws up so many formulas. just check out energy and you'll find that claimed limits don't exist. and if you think of natural (non-manmade) elements in this world there really are no zero limits. either they exist or nothing. no defined zero simply a border seperating positive and negative elements and we are certainly NOT I repeat NOT using that border in its proper context otherwise we'd be creating anti-electrons which would zap us when they came into contact with the positive electrons we use. Mathematics is barely useable. john Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 16:44:04 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem -- footnote *shrug* OK whatever makes you happier ... personally I'd prefer to trust my textbooks but that's just me :-) - Raymond At 11:57 PM 23/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:56:21 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem -- footnote i.e. I just reread what I wrote and am quite amazed. you guys probably don't know this but ever since I started studying electronics and mathematics I have always made the claim that using voltage and zero to solve problems is false and induces great effiency errors in actual real world problems. near as I can tell it does -- in the range of up to 70-90% or so. in line powered equipment this does not matter since, in general, the line power is unchanging and always there but in battery powered equipment such as what we use we loose alot of life with errors. so..quit using zero, my buds!! that will help finding the answer to super conducters!! :) john Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem hi raymond first off I know about the high currect discharge pattern of li-poly, it is like a baby brother to the lead acid discharge. snip --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:29:08 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem hi raymond first off I know about the high currect discharge pattern of li-poly, it is like a baby brother to the lead acid discharge. they are supposedly well suited for use in EVs. however they are not very good because they loose the rated capacity at lower currents 33 amps and if the ambient temperature is not around 70 degrees farenhient. they are a dead end in technology as near as I can tell. NiMH handle greater environmental temps better. for example, why use li in the libretto? if you go from 70 degrees to -10 you cut battery life in half from rated capacity. if you apply *any* external heat, even +-10 degrees the charge/discharge is so far off from the data sheet they are basically unapplicable. li has *always* had this problem which is why communication has *always* used NiCAD/NiMH!! If transcievers start being shipped with li I'll ship them back!! Transcievers are *not* office equipment they are used in every environment imaginable and are not used in environments where the ambient temp is constant in the least. you might ask why I mention transcievers. transcievers have a similar current use pattern to a laptop cpu board. high current coupled with stable *longer* *lower* current use. when you talk you use very high bursts of power than compared to when you recieve. the high voltage in the li doesn't matter since the li you describe can really only supply around .06 of a volt at 33 amps in the the real world not the data sheet. you see, voltage really doen't apply in the real world, it is simply a civilized method of describing a static discharge. it really doesn't exist. its like trying to describe the zero number. that doesn't exist either. that is the main reason li don't work though is that low voltage. lead acid, and some nimh are rated better and provide their actual discharge voltage in the data sheet. for some reason I don't know about li-ion/poly designers are misrating their cells. john Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:08:37 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem 11.1V 2.2AH LiPoly batteries (3 cells) weighing about 120g can be readily obtained that can pump 33 amps continuously without damage and without the terminal voltage dropping significantly (internal resistance is in the region of tens of milliohms per cell so we're talking drops of a volt or two at 33 amps) ... and the pack itself is about 70x43x30mm in size. Any decent hobby store will sell them to you (they're mainly used in electric model planes, powered gliders and helis), in Australia you can get them off-the-shelf for around $80-$90AUD. I dunno about you but as far as I'm aware there aren't any NiMH cells or any other battery technology for that matter (at least none that are readily available) that can be formed into a pack that can approach that sort of weight, size or internal resistance for that voltage or energy capacity. Besides, there has to be a reason why people from modellers to mobile phone makers to laptop and PDA makers switched to LiIon/LiPoly despite the more complex charging/discharging safeguard circuitry involved. Which equations and graphed data do you refer to? - Raymond At 04:45 PM 22/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:44:30 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem I've checked that out along with the equations and still don't get it. first off they're equations are questionable when run up against the graphed data. second when compared to the weight of the actual batteries I have to carry when using li-poly as compared to the actual weight of ni-mh cells the nimh cells are lighter. so what is this energy density stuff anyway? Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:01:09 +1100 From: Jonathan Paxman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem On 22/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: true, external temperatures affect li-poly but do not affect nicad/nimh chemistries unless they are in the +120/-20 range. gotta wonder why the industry uses an old technology like lithium when the nickel metal is so much more superiour in every way. Two words: energy density. Jon --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:44:30 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem I've checked that out along with the equations and still don't get it. first off they're equations are questionable when run up against the graphed data. second when compared to the weight of the actual batteries I have to carry when using li-poly as compared to the actual weight of ni-mh cells the nimh cells are lighter. so what is this energy density stuff anyway? Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:01:09 +1100 From: Jonathan Paxman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem On 22/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: true, external temperatures affect li-poly but do not affect nicad/nimh chemistries unless they are in the +120/-20 range. gotta wonder why the industry uses an old technology like lithium when the nickel metal is so much more superiour in every way. Two words: energy density. Jon
Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:08:37 +0800 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem 11.1V 2.2AH LiPoly batteries (3 cells) weighing about 120g can be readily obtained that can pump 33 amps continuously without damage and without the terminal voltage dropping significantly (internal resistance is in the region of tens of milliohms per cell so we're talking drops of a volt or two at 33 amps) ... and the pack itself is about 70x43x30mm in size. Any decent hobby store will sell them to you (they're mainly used in electric model planes, powered gliders and helis), in Australia you can get them off-the-shelf for around $80-$90AUD. I dunno about you but as far as I'm aware there aren't any NiMH cells or any other battery technology for that matter (at least none that are readily available) that can be formed into a pack that can approach that sort of weight, size or internal resistance for that voltage or energy capacity. Besides, there has to be a reason why people from modellers to mobile phone makers to laptop and PDA makers switched to LiIon/LiPoly despite the more complex charging/discharging safeguard circuitry involved. Which equations and graphed data do you refer to? - Raymond At 04:45 PM 22/12/2005 -0800, you wrote: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 16:44:30 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem I've checked that out along with the equations and still don't get it. first off they're equations are questionable when run up against the graphed data. second when compared to the weight of the actual batteries I have to carry when using li-poly as compared to the actual weight of ni-mh cells the nimh cells are lighter. so what is this energy density stuff anyway? Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 09:01:09 +1100 From: Jonathan Paxman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem On 22/12/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: true, external temperatures affect li-poly but do not affect nicad/nimh chemistries unless they are in the +120/-20 range. gotta wonder why the industry uses an old technology like lithium when the nickel metal is so much more superiour in every way. Two words: energy density. Jon --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:41:26 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem true, external temperatures affect li-poly but do not affect nicad/nimh chemistries unless they are in the +120/-20 range. gotta wonder why the industry uses an old technology like lithium when the nickel metal is so much more superiour in every way. anyway, what I was mentioning was the heat from the cpu bleeding into the battery pack. that really shouldn't happen since li are supposed to be kept at room temperatures while being charged to get the best capacity. I was just wondering whether anyone else was experencing this--my libretto may be defective and I need it repaired kind of thing. Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem That's perfectly normal. You can expect...what was it? about a 10% or more decrease/increase in LiIon battery life for each 10 degrees C of temperature change. That's just battery life chemistry. Of course, few of us can afford to wrap our Librettos inside a cooler while using it, so naturally, we'll have to deal with the shorter battery life expected from using our laptops in normal temperature ranges. =) adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] USB port on L100 / L110
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:54:54 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] USB port on L100 / L110 the hardware connector hookup part is easy. I believe there is some issue with turning the chip on to use usb. You may need an additional hardware connection and/or software driver it use it properly. john Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 06:26:00 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: USB port on L100 / L110 I don't know if anyone else saw this link from Vitaly, http://chiba3.dip.jp/notepc/ss1000.html But if you look at it you will see instructions for adding a USB port to the Libretto ff1100V computer. Looking very carefully at it and comparing the signals on the Port Replicator connector on the Lib L100 /L110 CT Notebooks, it would appear you could do the same thing to these. From the Libretto manual, page 211, Table C-2 Docking Interface connector pin assignments (140-pin)(3/3), pin 93 is USBDP, or USB Data positive; and pin 94 is USBDN, or USB Data Negative. By finding a suitable +5V and Gnd point, these are the 4 signals needed for the USB port. To make it look good, I think replacing the IR port with a USB connector would make sense. I just bought a USB to IR adapter from Tiger Direct (free after rebate) and tried it on my desktop with great success. Using this adapter, you don't even lose the IR port after converting the Libby's IR port to a USB port. Problem is, I don't have good enough tools to make the solder connections to try this on the bench to see if it works. Anyone have the ability to see if this would work? Dick Sullivan -Original Message- From: Vitaly Pavlenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 4:38 AM To: Libretto Subject: [LIB] superslim HDD upgrade Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:37:58 +0300 From: Vitaly Pavlenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: superslim HDD upgrade Hi! Finally got my hard disk (from UK). Never disassembled my Lib before, want to be prepared. The upgrade process is rather well documented: http://chiba3.dip.jp/notepc/ss1000.html http://trashbox.homeip.net/nownow/20050317/ I tried babelfish.altavista.com, works OK with the first one, returns an error with the second one. 2 main questions: I don't want to overclock the CPU or add USB port, do I still need to disassemble completely, or just to remove the case bottom would be enough? What do I do about the extra 0.65 mm, remove some spacers? Any advices? Thanks in advance! Best wishes, Vitaly
Re: [LIB] Problems again?
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 11:01:02 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Problems again? Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:51:54 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Problems again? At 04:25 PM 27/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:24:15 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Problems again? seems fine - I figure everyone's having a nice Thanksgiving holiday, which means time with the family and friends, away from the computers =) What if you have a family of computers? :-) depends if they are AI or not:))). john - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] USB port on L100 / L110
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 20:38:59 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] USB port on L100 / L110 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 10:54:54 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] USB port on L100 / L110 the hardware connector hookup part is easy. I believe there is some issue with turning the chip on to use usb. You may need an additional hardware connection and/or software driver it use it properly. Perhaps some of the pins used to attach the EPR to the Lib are internally connected (in the EPR) to signal the Lib to switch USB on; in the simple port replicator these pins may not be connected. Just an idea (but perhaps totally wrong) P.
RE: [LIB] Libretto #529
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:33:10 -0500 From: Tom Wilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] Libretto #529 Well, since I got an image tank and put a 60GB drive in it I have stopped carrying my ff1100v with me when I travel. Too many internet cafes everywhere I go to carry my own pc and risk having it stolen. -Original Message- Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:45:08 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] RE: Visiting Japan once again =) / U100 vs Fujitsu tablet far better for me to have the lib instead of the img tank . Can email and do work for not much more weight. My l110 is coming with me again. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:36:05 -0500 From: Tom Wilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Visiting Japan once again =) / U100 vs Fujitsu tablet If all you are using your libretto for is storing photos, why not get som ething like an image tank: http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/s.nl?sc=2search=image%20tank You can put about any 2.5 inch 9.5 MM laptop hard drive in one and they w ill move the photos from memory cards to the hard drive. Lots of listings on ebay: http://tinyurl.com/9u5dk -Original Message- Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:28:40 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Visiting Japan once again =) / U100 vs Fujitsu tablet Anyways, back to Tokyo this next week for me! =) Will see if the 'used Libretto' market for U100s are really at the 120,000 Yen pricing that Best PC magazine said they had dropped to. Of course, Libretto will have to come as well - to back up my photos (ack! seems every time I upgrade to a higher megapixel camera, storage space becomes a greater issue, running out of space even on a Libretto HD!). You can get away with not bringing a computer at all to Tokyo - just rent a terminal at a copy shop in Tokyo Underground mall or elsewhere.
Re: [LIB] RE: Visiting Japan once again =) / U100 vs Fujitsu tablet
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:45:08 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] RE: Visiting Japan once again =) / U100 vs Fujitsu tablet far better for me to have the lib instead of the img tank . Can email and do work for not much more weight. My l110 is coming with me again. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:36:05 -0500 From: Tom Wilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Visiting Japan once again =) / U100 vs Fujitsu tablet If all you are using your libretto for is storing photos, why not get som ething like an image tank: http://www.mydigitaldiscount.com/s.nl?sc=2search=image%20tank You can put about any 2.5 inch 9.5 MM laptop hard drive in one and they w ill move the photos from memory cards to the hard drive. Lots of listings on ebay: http://tinyurl.com/9u5dk -Original Message- Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:28:40 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Visiting Japan once again =) / U100 vs Fujitsu tablet Anyways, back to Tokyo this next week for me! =) Will see if the 'used Libretto' market for U100s are really at the 120,000 Yen pricing that Bes t PC magazine said they had dropped to. Of course, Libretto will have to come as well - to back up my photos (ack ! seems every time I upgrade to a higher megapixel camera, storage space be comes a greater issue, running out of space even on a Libretto HD!). You can g et away with not bringing a computer at all to Tokyo - just rent a terminal at a copy shop in Tokyo Underground mall or elsewhere. --- Had a chance to see that Fujitsu P1510D tablet (2.2lbs model) convertable in person at the latest Microsoft Visual Studio launch (great to go to these Microsoft launches for free software! They gave out free Visual Studio 20 05 to everyone.). Between the U100 and Fujitsu, the Fujitsu had the better keyboard (far ea sier to touch type right away without errors at a fast rate), more comfortably sized screen, and touch pen feature. The U100 has the crisper, higher contrast screen due to the glossy contra st enhancement top layer (but whether this is good depends on if you like se eing your own reflection all the time), smaller size, etc. Still, the Fujitsu does win out based on price alone ($1399 - http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=P1 5DWT.svl=P15D), and the Libretto at $1899 is a bit silly given the $199 laptops on sale t his past Black Friday after Thanksgiving at Microcenter.com stores. (yep, brand-new regular sized toshiba laptop for $199...) adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 13:07:50 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] u100 battery life engineering problem That's perfectly normal. You can expect...what was it? about a 10% or more decrease/increase in LiIon battery life for each 10 degrees C of temperature change. That's just battery life chemistry. Of course, few of us can afford to wrap our Librettos inside a cooler while using it, so naturally, we'll have to deal with the shorter battery life expected from using our laptops in normal temperature ranges. =) adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] superslim HDD upgrade
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:01:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Drouillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] superslim HDD upgrade I believe the model 50 (and 60?) needed to have some spacers removed to fit a 9.5mm drive in place of their original 8.45mm drive. Not doing so caused some intermittent problems from things being squeezed too tight. See David's site for maintenance manual and exploded-view images: http://www.silverace.com/libretto/. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] superslim HDD upgrade
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:19:45 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Drouillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] superslim HDD upgrade Oops, nevermind my reference to David's site; I thought we were talking about a model 50 for some reason. However, you may need to do something similar for yours if it was designed for a 6.35mm and you are installing a 1.8 7mm drive. Probably won't know until you try it. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] In Search of: Memory for 50CT
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 15:26:15 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Drouillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] In Search of: Memory for 50CT The problem is that this is EDO RAM which is not used for anything any more so it is no longer made in volume (especially on a module that only fits one or two models of notebook). Even SDRAM prices are rising compared to the newer DDR and DDR2 SDRAM for the same reason. but the only memory I can find is new for ~$80. That's outrageous for 16mb of memory, so I thought I would see if anyone has any *used* for sale for less? __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] In Search of: Memory for 50CT
Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 03:41:33 +0100 From: Mikkel Breiler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] In Search of: Memory for 50CT On Sun, 23 Oct 2005 19:01:14 -0700, Lou S [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 22:00:52 -0400 From: Lou S [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [LIB] In Search of: Memory for 50CT From: greg ehrendreich Hey everybody. I've checked ebay and google but I thought I'd try the private collector route too: I'm looking for a used floppy and used memory upgrade for my 50ct. The floppy I could get from ebay, but the only memory I can find is new for ~$80. That's outrageous for 16mb of memory, so I thought I would see if anyone has any *used* for sale for less? Currently there is an auction that started low and another one with a buyitnow at $50, that is at least $30 saved. http://tinyurl.com/72s6a Mikkel, no relation to either sellers.
Re: [LIB] superslim HDD upgrade
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 18:49:17 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] superslim HDD upgrade I'd guess, that without researching this more, you should be able to replace the HD without a full disassembly of the machine. Most laptops don't require this, and I do vaguely recall seeing one article in Japanese that showed even the ff1100v HD replacement being quite easy - simply undo the screws, lift the top off one side of the Libretto so that it hinges upward, replace the HD, and close it back up. I'll have to look at it more tommorrow on a fast internet connection (on a modem now). adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Yahoo! DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] Problems again?
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 08:40:36 +1300 From: Fran [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Problems again? On Sunday 27 November 2005 22:45, Matthew Hanson wrote: Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 09:43:54 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Problems again? Server dead? Not now :) FRan :):):)
Re: [LIB] Problems again?
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:24:15 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Problems again? seems fine - I figure everyone's having a nice Thanksgiving holiday, which means time with the family and friends, away from the computers =) adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] Problems again?
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 11:39:34 +1100 From: Jonathan Paxman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Problems again? seems fine - I figure everyone's having a nice Thanksgiving holiday, which means time with the family and friends, away from the computers =) I doubt that's the case for Fran in New Zealand, and it certainly isn't true for me in Australia ;)
Re: [LIB] Problems again?
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:51:54 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Problems again? At 04:25 PM 27/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 16:24:15 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Problems again? seems fine - I figure everyone's having a nice Thanksgiving holiday, which means time with the family and friends, away from the computers =) What if you have a family of computers? :-) - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] Battery upgrades (again!)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:31:58 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Battery upgrades (again!) Let's see if this post gets to the list after a few days of failures: Battery upgrades! My favorite subject for things I haven't gotten around to doing yet. Here's a URL to the archives where I put some info together about ordering cells from SabahOceanic, and having them weld them together for free: http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2005/msg00270.html No one to my knowledge has gone this route, but it sure looks like a good one. Matt Wanted: 110 motherboard or bare bones 110 system Libretto list info: Libretto list archive #1: http://www.technoir.nu/cgi-bin/libretto.cgi Libretto list archive #2: http://www.mail-archive.com/libretto@basiclink.com/ To unsubscribe: http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2004/msg01419.html From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] $7.75 per cell here: http://www.slavin4u.com/lithium.html PDF specifications here: http://photo.omnistep.com/pcgabp52/opr0AEJS.pdf adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/
Re: [LIB] Battery upgrades (again!)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:41:50 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Battery upgrades (again!) Oh... and here's an archive link where I wrote a little about opening the packs. I had great success with the procedure. It does take a lot of finesse though. http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2005/msg00734.html Matt Wanted: 110 motherboard or bare bones 110 system Libretto list info: Libretto list archive #1: http://www.technoir.nu/cgi-bin/libretto.cgi Libretto list archive #2: http://www.mail-archive.com/libretto at basiclink.com/ To unsubscribe: http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2004/msg01419.html
Re: [LIB] Battery upgrades (again!)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:45:34 + From: Matthew Hanson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Battery upgrades (again!) Hmmm... I see the server is now stripping the @ from the URL for archive #2 in my signature. Guess I'll just go with this monification... Matt Wanted: 110 motherboard or bare bones 110 system Libretto list info: Libretto list archive #1: http://www.technoir.nu/cgi-bin/libretto.cgi Libretto list archive #2: http://www.mail-archive.com/libretto(put @ here)basiclink.com/ To unsubscribe: http://www.technoir.nu/libretto/list/2004/msg01419.html
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:43:18 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions Raymond wrote: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:53:13 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Hi Raymond: Sounds like a plan but I think you may have a couple of issues. I think Win98 is one of those operating systems that needs the drive overlay to work properly on the Libretto otherwise it can't see above the 8G mark (or can't see it properly or something - it was a while ago but I remember headaches in that area). I'm afraid I have to disagree here. Even plain DOS can see all of my 60 GB HD inside my Lib110, w/o drive overlay - as long as the extended partition type is 0x0f rather than 0x05 and the partition scheme (MBR) has been cooked in a modern desktop. Using DOS / Win98 FDISK in a desktop, the 0x0f type is default so no worries there. (0x0f apparently signals DOS to invoke int13 extensions.) The second issue you may have is AFAIK Win98's implementation of FAT32 doesn't work for partitions over 32GB due to its limit on cluster size so you'll need to split your 91GB'odd chunk of space into at least 3 partitions (unless you want to install, say, Win2k which in my experience responds somewhat faster than 98 anyway on the L100, perhaps due to better memory management). I'm afraid you mix up things here too. Perhaps you're right for Win95. But Win98 is quite happy with huge FAT32 partitions. It is Win2000 XP that refuse to format partitions 32 GB with FAT32, they insist on NTFS. For no good reason, as they happily read FAT32 on 32 GB partitions. See: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=184006 http://www.allensmith.net/Storage/HDDlimit/FAT32.htm for some limits. Philip Good luck! - Raymond
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:36:12 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:40:37 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Hello Philip Nienhuis and thank you again for additional information. You're welcome. snip For testing and information gathering I used your (Philip Nienhuis) method, inside another Libretto 100CT, I created the largest partition FDISK would allow. (20GB Toshiba HD was used for testing) FDISK reports Total disk space is 7978Mbytes (1Mbyte = 1048576 bytes) Sounds familiar :-) On my current working 100Gig HDD, the first partition I created with Data Lifeguard Tools is seen by FDISK as 7538Mbytes and again FDISK is reporting the Total Disk Space is 7978Mbytes (1 Mbyte = 1048576) Makes sense. I realize the method you (Philip Nienhuis) stated would be more disk space efficient. Though less efficient, my current HDD setup should theoretically have plenty of space for my BIOS Hibernation file with a 500 meg (meg=1048Kb) gap there. In my current understanding, as long as the start of my second partition is out of reach of the Hibernation BIOS Routines +/- 8Gig bug, it should be safe. Based on the above information, does anyone disagree? :) No. After all, 100GB is a lot. 0.5 GB less wouldn't be discernable. Success, Philip
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:43:05 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions At 10:44 AM 16/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:43:18 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions Raymond wrote: Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:53:13 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Hi Raymond: Sounds like a plan but I think you may have a couple of issues. I think Win98 is one of those operating systems that needs the drive overlay to work properly on the Libretto otherwise it can't see above the 8G mark (or can't see it properly or something - it was a while ago but I remember headaches in that area). I'm afraid I have to disagree here. Even plain DOS can see all of my 60 GB HD inside my Lib110, w/o drive overlay - as long as the extended partition type is 0x0f rather than 0x05 and the partition scheme (MBR) has been cooked in a modern desktop. Using DOS / Win98 FDISK in a desktop, the 0x0f type is default so no worries there. (0x0f apparently signals DOS to invoke int13 extensions.) I think that may have been the issue then - I stick to partitioning on the target machine. I'm almost certain if you FDISK the drive in the Libretto and run Win98, it won't see beyond 8G. Having said THAT, I do recall sticking to that policy BECAUSE I initially tried partitioning on another machine then finding I had issues when I moved back to the Libretto. I can't remember specifics though (I haven't touched Win98 in years!) but I recall it had something to do with mismatches in partition sizes being reported by various disk tools. Does this work if you make the first primary partition in the Libretto, put the drive in another machine then write the extended partition then put it back into the Libretto and write the logical partitions? The second issue you may have is AFAIK Win98's implementation of FAT32 doesn't work for partitions over 32GB due to its limit on cluster size so you'll need to split your 91GB'odd chunk of space into at least 3 partitions (unless you want to install, say, Win2k which in my experience responds somewhat faster than 98 anyway on the L100, perhaps due to better memory management). I'm afraid you mix up things here too. Perhaps you're right for Win95. But Win98 is quite happy with huge FAT32 partitions. It is Win2000 XP that refuse to format partitions 32 GB with FAT32, they insist on NTFS. For no good reason, as they happily read FAT32 on 32 GB partitions. That's almost certainly a mixup on my part then ... as you say, I know Win2k and XP won't do a 32GB FAT32 partition (except it doesn't actually tell you until it gets partway through the formatting process). Thanks for the correction! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:05:18 -0800 (PST) From: matthew patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions Win2k and XP won't do a 32GB FAT32 partition (except it doesn't actually tell you until it gets partway through the formatting process). saw ths too. PM7 (whch s really old) wll happly format fat32 as bg as you want. forgve the spellng. my ceyboard lost 3 letters.
Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS...
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:58:11 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... for the l100 -110 models the hibernation location at 8gb lies in the bios itself . Toshiba didn t design it to handle hd larger than 8gb and arbitrarily fixed it rather than make it more flexible. Also the bios has a reported problem already posted where it doesnt pick up the size of hds larger than 8gb correctly. These two could be fixed wo the use of a drive overlay program if toshiba or a skilled bios programmer fixed this. Win 2k xp and linux are smart enough to find out how big a hd actually is wo a drive overlay but none can bypassthe hardware hibernation location . Of course you could only have one big partition if you think you will never start a hardware hibernation by accident - which would overwrite any of your files there. One thing that has not been tried is to use one big partition but to put a big unmovable empty file at the 8gb location. This way you might easily bypass the two partition need on large hds. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:28:55 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... At 08:10 AM 12/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: --Boundary-=_nRVysTmWcysyYcqpeViKeFFMZnIm Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:09:52 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... Hello Raymond and thank you for your reply... I was amazed at how this topic was discussed so much over the years with no real end result that I could determine. It depends on what you mean by a real end result :-) If the end result is a setup that works, well that's already a given - we know that drive overlay + partitions up to the 8GB mark + blank space + following partitions (and booting off a sub-8GB partition) works ... it may be sub-optimal but it works :-D The result that hasn't been achieved is having everyone agree on what ISN'T possible, the primary split being those who believe that there isn't a way of moving the hibernation partition and those that believe a disk overlay can do it (and a smaller split who believe no drive overlay is necessary - which is sorta true depending on your operating system). Note that there is no dispute that the solution above will work for both camps, it's just the latter camp believe there's also another solution. It took many days to read the full archives. I know the feeling - there's a lot of stuff there! :-) The search engine does help but of course that isn't much use if you don't have the right search terms. I wonder if at some point there'll be a Libretto Wiki, especially if the new Librettos keep coming out ... might make life a little easier for people like yourself :-D The BIOS HDD 8.4 seems like a simple thing. Sort of a Yes/No to me. A No of course is not what I wanted to hear. Also because much of the information did not apply to the 100/100 directly I hoped it might be outdated at least for these last two CT Models. I will gladly accept the No at this point. :) I'm having a little trouble parsing your paragraph but I think the no you refer to is the BIOS itself not recognising anything over the approx 8GB mark (I can't remember the exact number of cylinders but you would have run into them in the archives!). In which case yes the answer is no :-) This all leads back to a previous question however... I have allowed this computer to hibernate a number of times now since safely duplicating the drive. The drive is full less 1/2 gig or so free. I opened up a number of browsers and spreadsheets etc to make certain the memory would have been completely full when written to disk. I realize that Scandisk is NOT a high level tool, but I simply can not believe it can't find a 64meg damaged spot on the hard drive, which hibernation should have caused. Is it inaccurate to believe Hibernation should have blown the formatting, data, everything on that area of the disk? Nope it will have blown a hole in that part of the drive but because FAT32/FAT16 doesn't actually have any way of tallying that up nicely it may not detect it (and I can also now say that NTFS also doesn't always detect it, having just had a hole blown in my hard drive on an unrelated laptop). The way some have found this area is to use some low level disk tool (Norton DiskEdit springs to mind) to write zeros (0x00) across the suspected part of the drive, hibernate then see where the contents have changed. Cheers! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup
Re: [LIB] dead battery
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 08:29:39 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] dead battery if the battery is several years old and the other batteries charge ok then the battery chemistry is dead . --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:52:46 -0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: dead battery Hi it's me again. mr. libertto 100ct. one of my batteries just died with no reason. one day it did not charge or work. is there a solution or is it a lost case? thanks marcelo adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS...
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:34:35 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... I would like to address Philip Nienhuis directly, but of course welcome any who can offer additional information on this. Previously stated by Philip... And additionally, you can also simply copy your complete Windows 98 SE installation using appropriate XCOPY options in a DOS window (that's how I usually back up my Win98 stuff) rather than use fancy software for that. Don't forget to make its partition active. The XCOPY which I have used extensively since it was included with DOS could not copy hidden or system files. The XCOPY version I have with Windows 98 states directly Copies files (except hidden and system files) and directory trees. Is there another version which I could use with Windows 98SE? If you have it, would you mind emailing it to me directly? Thank you, John Martin Attached files are not permitted on this list, attachment has been removed.
Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS...
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:09:55 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:34:35 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... I would like to address Philip Nienhuis directly, but of course welcome any who can offer additional information on this. Previously stated by Philip... And additionally, you can also simply copy your complete Windows 98 SE installation using appropriate XCOPY options in a DOS window (that's how Please take a second look: In a DOS window, mind you. Obviously running Windows. You probably overlooked that one. The same (at least, I guess it's the same) XCOPY you use in plain DOS, has quite some more options when used in a DOS window under Windows. At least, in my (original Toshiba-) Win98 version. I'd be surprised if it's different in Win98SE, as it also works in Win-ME (although ME has no plain DOS, at least not without hacks). FYI, I use XCOPY origin destination /S /E /C /H /C continues in case of errors - handy for swap files /H copies hidden system files I usually back up my Win98 stuff) rather than use fancy software for that. Don't forget to make its partition active. The XCOPY which I have used extensively since it was included with DOS could not copy hidden or system files. The XCOPY version I have with Windows 98 states directly Copies files (except hidden and system files) and directory trees. Again, in plain DOS, yes. Try it in a Windows DOS prompt. Philip
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:22:05 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:34:09 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline Hello Everyone... I have a few questions/ideas relative to hibernation on the Libretto 110CT. I understand that BIOS Hibernation on the Libretto is unable to see a drive larger than 8.4 gig. I also understand that BIOS Hibernation can not be completely disabled on the Libretto. My understanding is that Libretto BIOS Hibernation can be executed completely independently of the OS. Thermally or via detection of low battery are the two ways individuals from this website have stated. Procedure: Duplication of Windows 98 from a single partition 20gig drive to a 100gig Toshiba Drive. With two issues. Issue 1. Leaving the BIOS Hibernation space around the 8.4gig area of the drive, between partitions one and two. Issue 2. Preservation of my current full Windows Installation. No overlay necessary or used. Basically I want to do a hard drive upgrade with partition split AND space to accommodate the hibernation area around the 8.4Gig area of the drive. These are my questions... Question 1. How does the Libretto decide where to put the hibernation area. example: Go to end of HDD (or as much as it can see 8.4) and write the contents backwards or just back up and start to write towards the end? (direction likely doesn't make difference) John: Just a hunch: it writes towards the end. The difference *does* make a difference: Speed. Writing ( reading) backwards is terribly inefficient. Hibernation proceeds as follows: 1. Hibernation routine requests disk size from BIOS HD size routine 2. BIOS HD size routine cheats a bit, and gives an answer which leaves sufficient space for hibernation to anyone who's asking. The size of the cheat depends on another BIOS routine, i.e. the one which returns RAM size 3. Hibernation routine knows about the cheat and begins writing the RAM image starting at the next sector beyond the reported HD size. Now, not only does the BIOS HD size routine cheat, it also contains the 8 GB bug. Yes confusing, but these are two different things (see below for more). BTW one thing is sure: the hibernation image is one contiguous file (i.e., no holes or gaps in it). example: Go to end of partition and write hibernation data? Question 2. I do not have a utility to examine the hard drive data to locate the cylinders where hibernation is being written, though I have seen were several have done just that. There is ONE 20Gig partition on my current working drive. So... Does anyone see why the following installation would not work. Just a hint in advance: clearly state what MB type you mean: digital (= base 10.24, formally called MiB) or SI (base 10.0). Makes quite a difference once in the GB realms. Other than that, I suppose the setup below should be OK. a. Put Original (20Gig Toshiba) HDD and new HDD (100Gig Toshiba) into a desktop computer with modern BIOS to correctly see all of both hard drives. b. Booted from OnTrack Disk Manager floppy disk. Defined the three following partitions with OnTrack Disk Manager on the Toshiba 100Gig Drive. 7.9GB (Boot and Windows Drive) 500MB (For spacer) 91MB (or to end of visible drive) Note: I chose 500 meg to space the beginning of the 91MB partition theoretically outside where the Libretto BIOS Hibernation routines can see. c. Rebooted into Windows Safe Mode from Boot Menu of Functional 20Gig Drive, which contains my original Working Windows Partition with configuration and data trimmed below 8gig. Opened a DOS Box and executed XClone program to duplicate the only partition on HDD 1, C: (20 gig drive) onto the first partition (7.9gig) of HDD2. (Although not documented, while XClone doesn't work in DOS, it does work in Windows Safe Mode... or more accurately, I have used it in Windows Safe Mode several times with no issues. I have never had any failure with XClone) d. Loaded Fdisk and deleted the 500MB partition of HDD 2 between the 7.9GB and 91GB partitions. I realize this should not be necessary, but I chose to do it anyway just to simulate space at the end of my partition. Also keep it from accidentally being formatted or used in some way. Status: No problems at this time. As stated above, I do not know how to verify if it is hibernating in the area I left blank. Although I have read the archives, I do not know or have any of the utilities described to locate the hibernation data. Any suggestions that anyone cares to offer about this installation would be appreciated. I would do it (and have done it several times) this way: 1. Put 100 GB HD in Libretto. Do not use Ontrack or EZ-drive or whatever, delete/deinstall it. 2. Use DOS FDISK to make
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:44:11 -0800 (PST) From: David Chien [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and My easy way was to stick the drive in, make a small partiion, install windows, then run a disk zeroing program that would zero out all of the bytes where I wanted (ie. all empty unused space), then open Notepad, type in a line like Librettos are great!, hibernate to disk, then restart, then use Winhex to search the sectors on the HD for this string. You will immediately know exactly where the hibernation data is being stored on the HD. adorable toshiba libretto The latest news and information for the Toshiba Libretto owner. http://www.silverace.com/libretto/ __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 20:40:37 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Hello Philip Nienhuis and thank you again for additional information. I apologize for my inaccuracy relative to Megabytes. (and likely other areas I don't even realize inaccuracy) I too prefer accuracy. I am aware of its importance in this case. As a programmer from years past, I am well aware of this continual confusion of what a megabyte is. Somewhat before Megabyte Floppies (like back in the Days of the 8 inch Floppy Disk) a meg was practically theory and it was 2^20. Relative to electronics (another life long hobby) Mega was 1,000,000 for capacitance and resistance etc. My inaccuracy in this case is ignorance of which method the software is using. I see that FDISK indicates it. I suppose that Data Lifeguard Tools, EZ Drive Software, and other software might offer this information if I looked for it specifically. Before this project of wanting to restore Hibernation Functionality while protecting my data (from hibernation I was not aware could not be disabled), most of the information I am learning from this web sites huge collection of information, did not matter. //end of ramble The point: For testing and information gathering I used your (Philip Nienhuis) method, inside another Libretto 100CT, I created the largest partition FDISK would allow. (20GB Toshiba HD was used for testing) FDISK reports Total disk space is 7978Mbytes (1Mbyte = 1048576 bytes) On my current working 100Gig HDD, the first partition I created with Data Lifeguard Tools is seen by FDISK as 7538Mbytes and again FDISK is reporting the Total Disk Space is 7978Mbytes (1 Mbyte = 1048576) I realize the method you (Philip Nienhuis) stated would be more disk space efficient. Though less efficient, my current HDD setup should theoretically have plenty of space for my BIOS Hibernation file with a 500 meg (meg=1048Kb) gap there. In my current understanding, as long as the start of my second partition is out of reach of the Hibernation BIOS Routines +/- 8Gig bug, it should be safe. Based on the above information, does anyone disagree? :) Thank you, John Martin Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:22:05 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:34:09 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline Hello Everyone... I have a few questions/ideas relative to hibernation on the Libretto 110CT. I understand that BIOS Hibernation on the Libretto is unable to see a drive larger than 8.4 gig. I also understand that BIOS Hibernation can not be completely disabled on the Libretto. My understanding is that Libretto BIOS Hibernation can be executed completely independently of the OS. Thermally or via detection of low battery are the two ways individuals from this website have stated. Procedure: Duplication of Windows 98 from a single partition 20gig drive to a 100gig Toshiba Drive. With two issues. Issue 1. Leaving the BIOS Hibernation space around the 8.4gig area of the drive, between partitions one and two. Issue 2. Preservation of my current full Windows Installation. No overlay necessary or used. Basically I want to do a hard drive upgrade with partition split AND space to accommodate the hibernation area around the 8.4Gig area of the drive. These are my questions... Question 1. How does the Libretto decide where to put the hibernation area. example: Go to end of HDD (or as much as it can see 8.4) and write the contents backwards or just back up and start to write towards the end? (direction likely doesn't make difference) John: Just a hunch: it writes towards the end. The difference *does* make a difference: Speed. Writing ( reading) backwards is terribly inefficient. Hibernation proceeds as follows: 1. Hibernation routine requests disk size from BIOS HD size routine 2. BIOS HD size routine cheats a bit, and gives an answer which leaves sufficient space for hibernation to anyone who's asking. The size of the cheat depends on another BIOS routine, i.e. the one which returns RAM size 3. Hibernation routine knows about the cheat and begins writing the RAM image starting at the next sector beyond the reported HD size. Now, not only does the BIOS HD size routine cheat, it also contains the 8 GB bug. Yes confusing, but these are two different things (see below for more). BTW one thing is sure: the hibernation image is one contiguous file (i.e., no holes or gaps in it). example: Go to end of partition and write hibernation data? Question 2. I do not have a utility to examine the hard drive data to locate the cylinders where hibernation
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:53:13 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Sounds like a plan but I think you may have a couple of issues. I think Win98 is one of those operating systems that needs the drive overlay to work properly on the Libretto otherwise it can't see above the 8G mark (or can't see it properly or something - it was a while ago but I remember headaches in that area). The second issue you may have is AFAIK Win98's implementation of FAT32 doesn't work for partitions over 32GB due to its limit on cluster size so you'll need to split your 91GB'odd chunk of space into at least 3 partitions (unless you want to install, say, Win2k which in my experience responds somewhat faster than 98 anyway on the L100, perhaps due to better memory management). Good luck! - Raymond At 02:22 PM 15/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:22:05 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:34:09 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline Hello Everyone... I have a few questions/ideas relative to hibernation on the Libretto 110CT. I understand that BIOS Hibernation on the Libretto is unable to see a drive larger than 8.4 gig. I also understand that BIOS Hibernation can not be completely disabled on the Libretto. My understanding is that Libretto BIOS Hibernation can be executed completely independently of the OS. Thermally or via detection of low battery are the two ways individuals from this website have stated. Procedure: Duplication of Windows 98 from a single partition 20gig drive to a 100gig Toshiba Drive. With two issues. Issue 1. Leaving the BIOS Hibernation space around the 8.4gig area of the drive, between partitions one and two. Issue 2. Preservation of my current full Windows Installation. No overlay necessary or used. Basically I want to do a hard drive upgrade with partition split AND space to accommodate the hibernation area around the 8.4Gig area of the drive. These are my questions... Question 1. How does the Libretto decide where to put the hibernation area. example: Go to end of HDD (or as much as it can see 8.4) and write the contents backwards or just back up and start to write towards the end? (direction likely doesn't make difference) John: Just a hunch: it writes towards the end. The difference *does* make a difference: Speed. Writing ( reading) backwards is terribly inefficient. Hibernation proceeds as follows: 1. Hibernation routine requests disk size from BIOS HD size routine 2. BIOS HD size routine cheats a bit, and gives an answer which leaves sufficient space for hibernation to anyone who's asking. The size of the cheat depends on another BIOS routine, i.e. the one which returns RAM size 3. Hibernation routine knows about the cheat and begins writing the RAM image starting at the next sector beyond the reported HD size. Now, not only does the BIOS HD size routine cheat, it also contains the 8 GB bug. Yes confusing, but these are two different things (see below for more). snip --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] New 7200 rpm, 100GB 2.5 HD benchmarks test article
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:20:49 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] New 7200 rpm, 100GB 2.5 HD benchmarks test article I would love to have the speed/performance of a 7200rpm HDD. :) I recently bought a new Toshiba 100GB, 16MB Buffer, 5400rpm (MK1032GAX) drive on eBay for 140.50 (with shipping). A 7200rpm drive would be great but a lot more money so I went with this one. How much impact would a 7200 have on something like Video Playback... things like Mpegs. Would it smooth them out any or is that more of a processing power issue than drive response? John Martin Attached files are not permitted on this list, attachment has been removed.
Re: [LIB] New 7200 rpm, 100GB 2.5 HD benchmarks test article
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 14:37:04 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] New 7200 rpm, 100GB 2.5 HD benchmarks test article I recon it's almost certainly a processor issue ... even with a 4800rpm (I think - the bog standard version as of 2-3 years ago) 20GB Samsung, I was able to dump uncompressed digital video from a firewire Panasonic DV camcorder through a firewire PCMCIA card at full speed to my Libretto 100 without dropping frames (this involves no CPU processing of the stream - it goes straight to disk) - well OK, it only dropped frames when I hit fragmentation boundaries (but it was fine after I defragg'd). For watching movies, I found compressing in MPEG 1 with a lower bitrate (from memory I think it was 1500kbps) and a low resolution (320x240) seemed to do the trick for me ... but YMMV. Again for some reason, for me Win2k seemed smoother than Win98 for playback (I was using Media Player Classic at the time - WiMP just chugged). - Raymond At 07:22 PM 15/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: --Boundary-=_KNlyJYHfIxjsWnkkUFNuXxZrzbmn Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:20:49 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] New 7200 rpm, 100GB 2.5 HD benchmarks test article I would love to have the speed/performance of a 7200rpm HDD. :) I recently bought a new Toshiba 100GB, 16MB Buffer, 5400rpm (MK1032GAX) drive on eBay for 140.50 (with shipping). A 7200rpm drive would be great but a lot more money so I went with this one. How much impact would a 7200 have on something like Video Playback... things like Mpegs. Would it smooth them out any or is that more of a processing power issue than drive response? John Martin --Boundary-=_KNlyJYHfIxjsWnkkUFNuXxZrzbmn Content-Type: text/plain Attached files are not permitted on this list, attachment has been removed. --Boundary-=_KNlyJYHfIxjsWnkkUFNuXxZrzbmn-- --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:47:37 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions Hello Raymond and thank you for the warning. I have been using this Toshiba 100GB drive for about three weeks in a couple of configurations. One configuration I used for a while was as a full single partition. It was nicely strange to see 80GB free on C. None of the programs I use had any data issues that surfaced during this time. I filled the drive to 1 gig free and had no visible problems. The only tool I use after drive swaps and modifications is a DOS run of Scandisk and Windows Scandisk with full surface scans. Can you (Raymond or anyone of course) tell me what symptoms I might watch for or any ways I might test for issues in this area? I don't recall seeing anything I felt was an issue in the archives, but I did not retain all of it. Thank you, John Martin Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 11:53:13 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Sounds like a plan but I think you may have a couple of issues. I think Win98 is one of those operating systems that needs the drive overlay to work properly on the Libretto otherwise it can't see above the 8G mark (or can't see it properly or something - it was a while ago but I remember headaches in that area). The second issue you may have is AFAIK Win98's implementation of FAT32 doesn't work for partitions over 32GB due to its limit on cluster size so you'll need to split your 91GB'odd chunk of space into at least 3 partitions (unless you want to install, say, Win2k which in my experience responds somewhat faster than 98 anyway on the L100, perhaps due to better memory management). Good luck! - Raymond At 02:22 PM 15/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 23:22:05 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:34:09 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Libretto HD Upgrade - Hibernation Area - Questions and Outline Hello Everyone... I have a few questions/ideas relative to hibernation on the Libretto 110CT. I understand that BIOS Hibernation on the Libretto is unable to see a drive larger than 8.4 gig. I also understand that BIOS Hibernation can not be completely disabled on the Libretto. My understanding is that Libretto BIOS Hibernation can be executed completely independently of the OS. Thermally or via detection of low battery are the two ways individuals from this website have stated. Procedure: Duplication of Windows 98 from a single partition 20gig drive to a 100gig Toshiba Drive. With two issues. Issue 1. Leaving the BIOS Hibernation space around the 8.4gig area of the drive, between partitions one and two. Issue 2. Preservation of my current full Windows Installation. No overlay necessary or used. Basically I want to do a hard drive upgrade with partition split AND space to accommodate the hibernation area around the 8.4Gig area of the drive. These are my questions... Question 1. How does the Libretto decide where to put the hibernation area. example: Go to end of HDD (or as much as it can see 8.4) and write the contents backwards or just back up and start to write towards the end? (direction likely doesn't make difference) John: Just a hunch: it writes towards the end. The difference *does* make a difference: Speed. Writing ( reading) backwards is terribly inefficient. Hibernation proceeds as follows: 1. Hibernation routine requests disk size from BIOS HD size routine 2. BIOS HD size routine cheats a bit, and gives an answer which leaves sufficient space for hibernation to anyone who's asking. The size of the cheat depends on another BIOS routine, i.e. the one which returns RAM size 3. Hibernation routine knows about the cheat and begins writing the RAM image starting at the next sector beyond the reported HD size. Now, not only does the BIOS HD size routine cheat, it also contains the 8 GB bug. Yes confusing, but these are two different things (see below for more). snip --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/ Attached files are not permitted on this list, attachment has been removed.
Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS...
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:36:06 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... Hi John, snip If you use a drive overlay program, it should correctly see the full drive capacity and place the hibernation area automatically at the end of the HD. In context, my understanding was that an overlay would correct the problem of Hibernation Placement... Which in a way doesn't make sense because the OS doesn't boot at the time of restore... so the BIOS would be unmodified at that time. There have been endless arguments about this in the past ... but suffice to say, your intuition is correct, it seems without a modification to what actually resides in the BIOS, you won't be able to stop it from messing with the area around 8GB if it needs to hibernate for precisely the reason you say. When the computer is hibernated, the contents of memory disappear and since the hibernation is done in the BIOS (unlike more recent computers where the BIOS regards a jump out of hibernation as just another bootup and it's up to the OS to deal with reading memory back in), when you come out of hibernation, the contents of memory will not have had anything to do with the hard drive at the point that the computer starts to read the contents of memory off the drive so no drive overlay will be able to tell the BIOS otherwise. Which leads to another question... Is there any way I can completely disable hibernation on the Libretto? Some how it does it even when in DOS Mode. I don't see where this comes from in the BIOS. AFAIK it isn't possible to completely disable hibernation - even if you disable it in the operating system, if you get a hardware panic (such as overheating or low battery but something that doesn't cause an instant shutdown), the BIOS will hibernate you like it or not :-( I know needing to split your drive is a little inelegant but I'm not sure there's any way around it ... still, for such a little laptop I think it's a minor inconvenience to suffer :-D Cheers! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] upgrade
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 11:07:18 -0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] upgrade well, I hope it so, coz I' ve alread bought it : ) - Original Message - From: Alan Middleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 11, 2005 10:50 pm Subject: Re: [LIB] upgrade Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:49:00 + (GMT/BST) From: Alan Middleton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] upgrade Without seeing the ebay auction itself and based on the information you've provided - yes it is. - Start Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Libretto libretto@basiclink.com Subject: [LIB] upgrade Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:21:48 -0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: upgrade Hi I have a 100ct with 32 ram and I want to upgrade to 64 mb ram. I saw this on ebay: 32MB EDO RAM Memory Module Upgrades for the Toshiba Libretto 100ct or 110ct. is that what I need? - End Original Message -
Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS...
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:09:52 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... Hello Raymond and thank you for your reply... I was amazed at how this topic was discussed so much over the years with no real end result that I could determine. It took many days to read the full archives. The BIOS HDD 8.4 seems like a simple thing. Sort of a Yes/No to me. A No of course is not what I wanted to hear. Also because much of the information did not apply to the 100/100 directly I hoped it might be outdated at least for these last two CT Models. I will gladly accept the No at this point. :) This all leads back to a previous question however... I have allowed this computer to hibernate a number of times now since safely duplicating the drive. The drive is full less 1/2 gig or so free. I opened up a number of browsers and spreadsheets etc to make certain the memory would have been completely full when written to disk. I realize that Scandisk is NOT a high level tool, but I simply can not believe it can't find a 64meg damaged spot on the hard drive, which hibernation should have caused. Is it inaccurate to believe Hibernation should have blown the formatting, data, everything on that area of the disk? Any idea? Thank you, John Martin == Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:36:06 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... Hi John, snip If you use a drive overlay program, it should correctly see the full drive capacity and place the hibernation area automatically at the end of the HD. In context, my understanding was that an overlay would correct the problem of Hibernation Placement... Which in a way doesn't make sense because the OS doesn't boot at the time of restore... so the BIOS would be unmodified at that time. There have been endless arguments about this in the past ... but suffice to say, your intuition is correct, it seems without a modification to what actually resides in the BIOS, you won't be able to stop it from messing with the area around 8GB if it needs to hibernate for precisely the reason you say. When the computer is hibernated, the contents of memory disappear and since the hibernation is done in the BIOS (unlike more recent computers where the BIOS regards a jump out of hibernation as just another bootup and it's up to the OS to deal with reading memory back in), when you come out of hibernation, the contents of memory will not have had anything to do with the hard drive at the point that the computer starts to read the contents of memory off the drive so no drive overlay will be able to tell the BIOS otherwise. Which leads to another question... Is there any way I can completely disable hibernation on the Libretto? Some how it does it even when in DOS Mode. I don't see where this comes from in the BIOS. AFAIK it isn't possible to completely disable hibernation - even if you disable it in the operating system, if you get a hardware panic (such as overheating or low battery but something that doesn't cause an instant shutdown), the BIOS will hibernate you like it or not :-( I know needing to split your drive is a little inelegant but I'm not sure there's any way around it ... still, for such a little laptop I think it's a minor inconvenience to suffer :-D Cheers! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/ Attached files are not permitted on this list, attachment has been removed.
Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS...
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:43:59 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:09:52 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... Hello Raymond and thank you for your reply... I was amazed at how this topic was discussed so much over the years with no real end result that I could determine. It took many days to read the full archives. The BIOS HDD 8.4 seems like a simple thing. Sort of a Yes/No to me. A No of course is not what I wanted to hear. Also because much of the information did not apply to the 100/100 directly I hoped it might be outdated at least for these last two CT Models. I will gladly accept the No at this point. :) This all leads back to a previous question however... I have allowed this computer to hibernate a number of times now since safely duplicating the drive. The drive is full less 1/2 gig or so free. I opened up a number of browsers and spreadsheets etc to make certain the memory would have been completely full when written to disk. I realize that Scandisk is NOT a high level tool, but I simply can not believe it can't find a 64meg damaged spot on the hard drive, which hibernation should have caused. Is it inaccurate to believe Hibernation should have blown the formatting, data, everything on that area of the disk? Any idea? (As an aside: the damaged spot it is not just 64 MB but rather 64 MB RAM + 2 MB video RAM + BIOS data) As regards scandisk: Damage assessment depends on where the crucial disk organization data are stored (i.e., tables with pointers to clusters containing file fragments). On FAT(-32), this is usually at the start of the partition. As long as those pointer tables (File Allocator Tables) are intact, scandisk simply won't notice that the actual cluster contents are blown to pieces. You know, scandisk won't inspect a cluster that is in use by e.g., some .xls file to check if that cluster contains valid Excel data; it just checks that the cluster chain itself (in the FAT) is still complete and its beginning is attached to some file descriptor somewhere in the FAT. IOW, the very contents of data clusters is not quite scandisk's affair - it won't even look at the data area proper (unless you instruct it to do a surface check). While FAT32 may be a bit more complex than FAT16 (or FAT12), this must be largely the explanation you seek. Even if there are aditional FATs elsewhere on the partition, as long as these have not been touched scandisk won't ever notice problems. Other file systems (NTFS, HPFS (OS/2), ext2 / ext3 (Linux)) have their crucial data areas scattered over the entire partition, so they are much more vulnerable and data corruption would be noted much easier. BTW As Raymond wrote, there has been considerable debate on the merits of various disk overlays. Even an otherwise very (IMO) knowledgeable prominent Lib user (dr. Xin Feng) once believed that some Maxtor overlay (MaxBlast III) would finally fix the BIOS hibernation of Librettos 100/110CT. Alas, he was corrected all too soon. I think the BIOS hibernation routines might be patched (at least theoretically), but it would take considerable disassembly efforts of some very knowledgeable guy to come up with a BIOS upgrade. I once tried a similar thing on an ancient AT-like desktop, but although I could recognize a lot from IBM BIOS sources in the AT tech ref manual, after a week I had to give up - it was too complicated. Now the Lib110 design date is about 10-12 years later than that desktop and is thus much more complicated - so I think there's little chance that anyone will ever be able to succeed. Philip
Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS...
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:47:47 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... Thank you Philip Nienhuis for offering extended rational information relative to the operation of Scandisk and FAT's. I am ignorant to these areas. The only chip-level progamming and process I have experience with is with old Commodores Vic 20's and 64's. Modern FAT's, Hard Drive or other BIOS, is pretty much a mystery to me. Thanks to everyone who has offered information, theory and experience. :) John Martin === Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 23:43:59 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:09:52 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... Hello Raymond and thank you for your reply... I was amazed at how this topic was discussed so much over the years with no real end result that I could determine. It took many days to read the full archives. The BIOS HDD 8.4 seems like a simple thing. Sort of a Yes/No to me. A No of course is not what I wanted to hear. Also because much of the information did not apply to the 100/100 directly I hoped it might be outdated at least for these last two CT Models. I will gladly accept the No at this point. :) This all leads back to a previous question however... I have allowed this computer to hibernate a number of times now since safely duplicating the drive. The drive is full less 1/2 gig or so free. I opened up a number of browsers and spreadsheets etc to make certain the memory would have been completely full when written to disk. I realize that Scandisk is NOT a high level tool, but I simply can not believe it can't find a 64meg damaged spot on the hard drive, which hibernation should have caused. Is it inaccurate to believe Hibernation should have blown the formatting, data, everything on that area of the disk? Any idea? (As an aside: the damaged spot it is not just 64 MB but rather 64 MB RAM + 2 MB video RAM + BIOS data) As regards scandisk: Damage assessment depends on where the crucial disk organization data are stored (i.e., tables with pointers to clusters containing file fragments). On FAT(-32), this is usually at the start of the partition. As long as those pointer tables (File Allocator Tables) are intact, scandisk simply won't notice that the actual cluster contents are blown to pieces. You know, scandisk won't inspect a cluster that is in use by e.g., some .xls file to check if that cluster contains valid Excel data; it just checks that the cluster chain itself (in the FAT) is still complete and its beginning is attached to some file descriptor somewhere in the FAT. IOW, the very contents of data clusters is not quite scandisk's affair - it won't even look at the data area proper (unless you instruct it to do a surface check). While FAT32 may be a bit more complex than FAT16 (or FAT12), this must be largely the explanation you seek. Even if there are aditional FATs elsewhere on the partition, as long as these have not been touched scandisk won't ever notice problems. Other file systems (NTFS, HPFS (OS/2), ext2 / ext3 (Linux)) have their crucial data areas scattered over the entire partition, so they are much more vulnerable and data corruption would be noted much easier. BTW As Raymond wrote, there has been considerable debate on the merits of various disk overlays. Even an otherwise very (IMO) knowledgeable prominent Lib user (dr. Xin Feng) once believed that some Maxtor overlay (MaxBlast III) would finally fix the BIOS hibernation of Librettos 100/110CT. Alas, he was corrected all too soon. I think the BIOS hibernation routines might be patched (at least theoretically), but it would take considerable disassembly efforts of some very knowledgeable guy to come up with a BIOS upgrade. I once tried a similar thing on an ancient AT-like desktop, but although I could recognize a lot from IBM BIOS sources in the AT tech ref manual, after a week I had to give up - it was too complicated. Now the Lib110 design date is about 10-12 years later than that desktop and is thus much more complicated - so I think there's little chance that anyone will ever be able to succeed. Philip Attached files are not permitted on this list, attachment has been removed.
Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS...
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:28:55 +1100 From: Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... At 08:10 AM 12/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: --Boundary-=_nRVysTmWcysyYcqpeViKeFFMZnIm Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:09:52 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... Hello Raymond and thank you for your reply... I was amazed at how this topic was discussed so much over the years with no real end result that I could determine. It depends on what you mean by a real end result :-) If the end result is a setup that works, well that's already a given - we know that drive overlay + partitions up to the 8GB mark + blank space + following partitions (and booting off a sub-8GB partition) works ... it may be sub-optimal but it works :-D The result that hasn't been achieved is having everyone agree on what ISN'T possible, the primary split being those who believe that there isn't a way of moving the hibernation partition and those that believe a disk overlay can do it (and a smaller split who believe no drive overlay is necessary - which is sorta true depending on your operating system). Note that there is no dispute that the solution above will work for both camps, it's just the latter camp believe there's also another solution. It took many days to read the full archives. I know the feeling - there's a lot of stuff there! :-) The search engine does help but of course that isn't much use if you don't have the right search terms. I wonder if at some point there'll be a Libretto Wiki, especially if the new Librettos keep coming out ... might make life a little easier for people like yourself :-D The BIOS HDD 8.4 seems like a simple thing. Sort of a Yes/No to me. A No of course is not what I wanted to hear. Also because much of the information did not apply to the 100/100 directly I hoped it might be outdated at least for these last two CT Models. I will gladly accept the No at this point. :) I'm having a little trouble parsing your paragraph but I think the no you refer to is the BIOS itself not recognising anything over the approx 8GB mark (I can't remember the exact number of cylinders but you would have run into them in the archives!). In which case yes the answer is no :-) This all leads back to a previous question however... I have allowed this computer to hibernate a number of times now since safely duplicating the drive. The drive is full less 1/2 gig or so free. I opened up a number of browsers and spreadsheets etc to make certain the memory would have been completely full when written to disk. I realize that Scandisk is NOT a high level tool, but I simply can not believe it can't find a 64meg damaged spot on the hard drive, which hibernation should have caused. Is it inaccurate to believe Hibernation should have blown the formatting, data, everything on that area of the disk? Nope it will have blown a hole in that part of the drive but because FAT32/FAT16 doesn't actually have any way of tallying that up nicely it may not detect it (and I can also now say that NTFS also doesn't always detect it, having just had a hole blown in my hard drive on an unrelated laptop). The way some have found this area is to use some low level disk tool (Norton DiskEdit springs to mind) to write zeros (0x00) across the suspected part of the drive, hibernate then see where the contents have changed. Cheers! - Raymond --- /~\ | | Does fuzzy logic tickle?| | ___ | My HDD has no reverse. How do I backup? | | /__/ +---| | / \ a y b o t | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | Need help? Visit #Windows98 on DALNet! | | ICQ: 31756092 | www.raybot.net | \~/
Re: [LIB] upgrade
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:46:25 -0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] upgrade thank you very much. I appreciate your help. marcelo - Original Message - From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 11, 2005 0:20 am Subject: Re: [LIB] upgrade Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 03:16:26 +0100 From: Richard Mittendorfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] upgrade Also sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thu, 10 Nov 2005 17:28:11 -0800): Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:21:48 -0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: upgrade Hi I have a 100ct with 32 ram and I want to upgrade to 64 mb ram. I saw this on ebay: 32MB EDO RAM Memory Module Upgrades for the Toshiba Libretto 100ct or 110ct. is that what I need? Should be. If you hover the keyboard, there's a plugin for it at the lower left. The 32MB module is the same for the Lib100 and Lib110. sl ritch
Re: [LIB] Libretto #523
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Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS...
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:37:04 +0100 From: Philip Nienhuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [LIB] 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 15:44:26 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: 110CT Large Drives with EZ BIOS... Hello Everyone... snip one partition. I quickly found data corruption. After three times of having to re-duplicate my original 4gig drive back to the 20gig I realized it was after hibernation that this occurred. SO, three questions... One... When hibernation corruption occurs, does it or should it not, also destroy formatting? I ask because my computer has hibernated by accident 4 times now In case one partition (primary or logical) also includes the native BIOS hibernation area, yes, it is very probable, and it is unavoidable. This is the main PITA with the Lib100110's BIOS hibernation routines. Did you leave space for the hibernation area (in the 4 GB HD: at the end of the HD. On the 20 GB HD: around 8 GB)? and I can run Scandisk in Windows (98SE) OR Scandisk in DOS and neither finds ANY problems with the drive. This is not consistent with what I have read, or maybe I am missing something. I was running NO drive overlay at all when this occurred. Overlay or not makes no difference. And DOS or Win98 scandisk are -to put it mildly- not very reliable. I find that Win2000 disk repair very very often fixes problems that win98 scandisk won't even see. Two... In an attempt to be able to use hibernation, EZ BIOS has been installed/enabled. Scandisk has been run in DOS and in Windows and everything seems fine. Also, I filled the drive with data to make sure writes could occur to the end of the disk, they can. Is there a way I can verify it is safe to allow hibernation? Has been described in detail quite often; check the archives. Hibernation always occurs around 8 GB (say, cylinder nos. (after disk translation) 1017-1026 or so). And -beware!- AFAICT the Lib's BIOS hibernation routines do NOT use EZ-BIOS snip I am unable to trim my current configuration down to under 8 gig to allow for the Dual Partition with space between them in the 8gig area. In that case you simply cannot be helped. You MUST leave the BIOS hibernation area around 8 GB empty, period. I know of no other way to get that together than to have that space NOT included in any actively used data partition. So there you are.. (You also can't leave all space below 8 GB empty and make a primary partition beyond it, as the Lib's BIOS won't allow you to boot from beyond 8 GB.) If I were you, I'd reconsider the Dual Partition option again And BTW you strictly do not need EZ-drive; if you take out your Lib 20/100 GB HD, partition it inside a desktop and put it back you'll see that all of the HD can be accessed. And additionally, you can also simply copy your complete Windows 98 SE installation using appropriate XCOPY options in a DOS window (that's how I usually back up my Win98 stuff) rather than use fancy software for that. Don't forget to make its partition active. Besides that, I prefer one large drive due to the nature of the large databases I work with. Understandable, but not possible with a Lib 110. Good luck, Philip
