DIS: Boo!

2013-06-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Sometimes you just have to be there. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Boo!

2013-06-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013, Steven Gardner wrote: Hello old friend! I thought of you several times today. How are you? It's complicated. Greetings, Ørjan. (I haven't said this for years!)

DIS: Registration

2013-06-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
I register as a player in Agora XX (I hope this is how it is done.) Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: Boo!

2013-06-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Of Ørjan Johansen Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:58 AM To: Agora Discussion List Subject: DIS: Boo! Sometimes you just have to be there. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-06-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013, Fool wrote: And we have a last minute registration, Ørjan. Just in time to lose! Yay! * resolves to read proposals before voting on them in the future :P Greetings, Ørjan, still an old-timer in spirit.

DIS: You know...

2013-06-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Someone should probably update the agoranomic webpage not to say 2010 everywhere hth. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Informally Happy birthday

2013-06-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Happy birthday, Agora! Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: irc session reminder (XX players may be interested)

2013-06-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 29 Jun 2013, Charles Walker wrote: There will be an irc session in celebration of Agora's birthday in the ##nomic channel on Sunday 30th June (tomorrow) starting at 21:00 UTC. I am a little confused by this. Agora's birthday is Sunday 30th June, but in the +1200 (New Zealand)

RE: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Chuck Carroll wrote: A very similar thought had occurred to me, except the Speaker could do even better than independently selecting a Judge for each possible set; e could link the sets in such a way to maximize the probability that the same Judge is selected for each set.

RE: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Chuck Carroll wrote: I also have an idea or two about how a group of players could get around the requirement of unanimity for making a rule mutable against a single player determined to prevent all such transmutations. My vague memory is that something like that is how

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2013-07-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, omd wrote: INACTIVE PLAYERS (8) PlayerInactive since ---- Pavitra 31 Mar 13 Kolja 7 Apr 13 Wooble 7 Apr 13 Machiavelli 13 May 13 Tomas

RE: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 3 Jul 2013, Steven Gardner wrote: My dim recollection is that it took a kind of high level scam (in the sense of loophole exploitation, there was no attempt to win) to move away from the Mutable/Immutable distinction. But we didn't get straight to the Power system - that came later. The

DIS: Sudden epiphany

2013-07-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Agora is older than Eternal September... Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgement, CFJ 3343

2013-07-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 3 Jul 2013, Sean Hunt wrote: On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: 3343: FALSE If any party's constitution actually authorized party members to act on its behalf, then such an inference would be valid. However, no party's constitution currently does

DIS: Re: BUS: hi oerjan

2013-07-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 4 Jul 2013, Elliott Hird wrote: I intend, with 3 elder support, to declare a gerontocracy. Is the joke that I've been a Player before y'all and still am not an Elder? (Or even registered.) Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-07-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 7 Jul 2013, omd wrote: On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: Pretty sure the Gerontocracy is irrelevant. The only things that matter (pretending Lindar's message was effective) are that Fool announced intent within the correct time period, Fool is

Re: DIS: Would I be an Elder if I registered?

2013-07-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Steven Gardner wrote: R2357: An Elder is a first-class player who has been registered continuously for at least 32 days, and also registered for at least 128 days total (not necessarily contiguously). I was registered continuously from 1 July 1994 until

Re: DIS: (no subject)

2013-07-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, omd wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: Did 4 days pass since the declaration of intent already, and if it did so, given the strong precedence claims, does that mean the action can now be performed? (Since no Elders have objected

Re: DIS: Would I be an Elder if I registered?

2013-07-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Alex Smith wrote: I meant buggy requirement as a hypothetical in my quote (as in, satisfies the requirement if it's bugged). FWIW, I meant omd's interpretation when I wrote the rule originally. Not that that really counts for anything. (And not that either interpretation is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3362 assigned to G.

2013-07-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: Generally I don't think it's true the meta-agreement is subject to amendment by even true nomic. There are still limits. What if we made Agora purport to be played by the NZ All Blacks? This would paralyze the rule until

DIS: Re: BUS: My First CFJ

2013-07-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, omd wrote: On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Lindar Greenwood lindartheb...@gmail.com wrote: I initiate a CFJ on the following: The common vernacular for someone who does something is Xor, where a Xor Xes. By rule 2408 the 'recordkeepor' is the title for one who keeps

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Ambassador-At-Large and Promotor Elections

2013-07-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 9 Jul 2013, Sean Hunt wrote: I hereby initiate the Agoran Decisions to select the holders of the offices of Ambassador-At-Large and Promotor. The vote collector is the IADoP; the eligible voters are the active first-class players. The candidates for Ambassador-At-Large are Walker and

DIS: Re: several messages

2013-07-10 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Oh hm, reading further it seems I must also include proof that the conditions are satisfied. I once again attempt to cash this promise, with the message further below as proof the conditions are satisfied. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 11 Jul 2013, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Wed, 10 Jul 2013

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: several messages

2013-07-10 Thread Ørjan Johansen
...and on second thought, I don't think including the proof was actually necessary, since that only applies to the _text_ of the promise, not its condition. :P Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 11 Jul 2013, Ørjan Johansen wrote: *sigh* pf On Thu, 11 Jul 2013, Ørjan Johansen wrote: Oh hm

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Alliance Shennanigans

2013-07-12 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 12 Jul 2013, John Smith wrote: I intend with 1 ais523 support to join the alliance containing ais523. CfJ, barring ais523: If ais523 immediately replies to that intent with 'I support and do so', I become a member of the same alliance as

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Wisconsin Line-Item Veto

2013-07-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, omd wrote: Proposal: The Wisconsin Line-Item Veto (AI=2) When a Signed Copy is submitted, its Power is set to the minimum ^^^ of four and adoption index of the proposal, and then it takes

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Wisconsin Line-Item Veto

2013-07-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, Tanner Swett wrote: On Jul 13, 2013, at 4:01 AM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, omd wrote: Proposal: The Wisconsin Line-Item Veto (AI=2) When a Signed Copy is submitted, its Power is set to the minimum

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Ambassador-at-Large] Foreign Relations

2013-07-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Steven Gardner wrote: Entreco Rule 8, Idealism: The state of Entreco is determined by what its players believe that it is. The state of the game can be changed by the consensus (including unintentionally, if a mistake is made in applying the rules,

DIS: Re: BUS: Let's make timing scams more interesting

2013-07-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Alex Smith wrote: More Interesting Timing Scams (AI 3, Proposal Fee Y20) Add a new paragraph to rule 478, just before its last paragraph: {{{ As an exception to the rest of this rule, no message is a public message if, during the 1-hour period that ends when that

Re: DIS: [Distributor] Date munging is back, receive-copies-of-own-mail default changed

2013-07-17 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, omd wrote: Right. Mailman is really vintage code... The list should now: - rewrite date headers to be the actual time of receipt, as briefly attempted before; - include a new X-Timestamp header to provide additional precision if required; - by default, only send back

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2013-07-26 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Ørjan Johansen wrote: I would correspondingly find it natural for the TDoC of the sender to be consulted for when a message is _sent_, if the rules were otherwise silent, which however they currently are not (date stamps), albeit in a not very clarifying way. Oh also I

DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2013-07-26 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Alex Smith wrote: Finally, CFJ 866 seems to be relevant background reading too (and also supports this verdict), and may be responsible for the TDoC confusion (in that it holds that the /recipient's/ TDoC is what matters, not the /sender's/ TDoC). FWIW IMO as the original

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judgements

2013-07-26 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 26 Jul 2013, Alex Smith wrote: received is what the recent precedents indicate. (The rules require the message to be sent via a public forum, rule 478, and it hasn't gone via the forum until both the sender has sent it, and the recipient has received it. Also I can't construct a

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

2013-07-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: The sentences in question are not directly self-referential or even mutually-referential. This is more of a Curry-flavoured confused deputy, with rule 2337 as the deputy. It says that the author can destroy a promise with notice IFF the sentence in its

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

2013-07-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: On 29/07/2013 6:20 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: The sentences in question are not directly self-referential or even mutually-referential. This is more of a Curry-flavoured confused deputy, with rule 2337 as the deputy. It says

Re: DIS: Gratuitous arguments for logicians

2013-07-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013, Alex Smith wrote: If they dispose of their dictatorship quickly via win+trophy, Agora typically tolerates them. (Sometimes there's a race where someone with a power-1 dictatorship tries to get it at a higher power; normally the time limit for that is long enough for the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7530-7547

2013-07-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: On 29/07/2013 7:33 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: On Mon, 29 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: I assume Assessor. Voting results for Proposals 7530-7547: COE: By Rule 1950, the eligible voting entities are set at the _distribution_ of the proposal. I am not sure whether

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7530-7547

2013-07-29 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 29 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: On 29/07/2013 7:46 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: See the recent TIME OUT scam... making someone not an eligible voter does set their voting limit to 0. I'm claiming you haven't made them not eligible voters in the first place, even if you deregistered them

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: May as well REALLY settle this

2013-07-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 30 Jul 2013, Michael Slone wrote: I think I'm missing something in the rules, though. Actions performed with notice require Agoran Satisfaction (1728(c)). Rule 2124, which defines Agoran Satisfaction, appears to require the action to fall into one or more of the following categories:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stuff

2013-07-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 1 Aug 2013, Charles Walker wrote: Davy I may, however, struggle with the requirement to be generally capable of communicating via email. I dunno, I hear cats are quite proficient at using keyboards. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Stuff

2013-08-02 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013, Benjamin Schultz wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: I dunno, I hear cats are quite proficient at using keyboards. Greetings, Ørjan. I think you mean sleeping on keyboards. I fail to see how sleeping on is not using

Re: DIS: Future of Agora

2013-08-04 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 4 Aug 2013, Fool wrote: Ratification is a legal fiction. Lacanist obscurity implies that the goal of the participant is deconstruction, but only if consciousness is distinct from language; if that is not the case, we can assume that discourse must come from the masses. In a sense,

Re: DIS: Future of Agora

2013-08-04 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 4 Aug 2013, Elliott Hird wrote: On 4 August 2013 02:54, com...@gmail.com wrote: You may argue that after this long, there is probably *some* other reason why the platonic gamestate is wrong, and a few have been proposed over the years. But we try our best. If sufficient mail

Re: DIS: Future of Agora

2013-08-04 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 4 Aug 2013, omd wrote: although I suppose it's the job of an invasion to be polite, Someone should have told that to the mongols. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: Fwd: DIS: Ambassador's Survey - Your Chance To Win Great Prizes!

2013-08-05 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 5 Aug 2013, Tanner Swett wrote: If I'm not mistaken, this hasn't gone through yet. I distinctly recall seeing it before. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3381 assigned to ais523

2013-08-12 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013, Fool wrote in response to Craig Daniel: I also notice that nothing stops anyone else from repeating what you just did and also winning. I'm sure a lot of people see this. And yet nobody's doing it. It sort of looks like nobody cares. I understood ais523's judgement to

Re: DIS: agoran language

2013-08-12 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013, Max Schutz wrote: i am just curious and i don't there was EVER an explanation given but i see e in liue he almost like pirate language i am just wondering if those dialects are like designated agoran language Yes, Agora traditionally uses the gender neutral Spivak

Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013, Craig Daniel wrote: Agora has never been invaded that I'm aware of, but is still a little paranoid about it and has more robust mechanisms for trying to stop such things in a hurry. Agora _has_ invaded other nomics though. I vaguely think the first time we did so

Re: DIS: agoran language

2013-08-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013, Benjamin Schultz wrote: I thought Blob was the first Agoran to insist on being addressed with Spivak pronouns. Ah right I remember his viscous persona. And he was probably not coincidentally also the author of the rule using one in that Nomic World ruleset I linked.

Re: DIS: [Ambassador-at-Large] Note on nommit

2013-08-14 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 14 Aug 2013, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Craig Daniel teu...@pobox.com wrote: Agora has never been invaded that I'm aware of, My first registration was part of a very ineffective invasion (from Nomicapolis, IIRC). So ineffective that Agora never noticed?

DIS: Re: BUS: The Tibetan Contest

2013-08-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013, Charles Walker wrote:       The Contestmastor AAA! It should only apply to -keepor dammit! :( Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Trying again

2013-08-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
NttPF Greetings, Ørjan. On Tue, 20 Aug 2013, Joe Stefek wrote: If this was a nomination for me, I decline my nomination. --aperfectring On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 6:47 AM, Charles Walker

DIS: Re: BUS: A major series of reforms.

2013-08-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013, Sean Hunt wrote: Transfer Zombie G. to Fool, amend its text to I perform the LEGAL actions specified by the casher in the cashing message. I create a promise identical to this one and transfer it to the casher., and set its expiry to the epoch. This suddenly made me

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A major series of reforms.

2013-08-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 24 Aug 2013, omd wrote: On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: No. New gameplay ideas are for when the core is working. It is not right now. The four most important offices are all empty. We do not have the resources to build new gameplay. I am

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Notes on Proposals 7548-7586

2013-08-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 25 Aug 2013, Charles Walker wrote: On 25 Aug 2013, at 08:51, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 3:42 AM, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: COE: That is not ambiguous as it has exactly one reasonable interpretation. I transfer Y5 to the Assessor (Oerjan

Re: DIS: Registrar's Report

2013-09-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 1 Sep 2013, Henri Bouchard wrote: Is the Registrar's report weekly or monthly? It does not state in the Ruleset whether it is weekly or monthly. -Henri From Rule 2143: Any information defined by the rules as part of a person's report, without specifying which one, is

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 3397 assiged to Murphy

2013-09-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 6 Sep 2013, Alex Smith wrote: On another note, is there any reason why it wouldn't be democratizable right now? We could try to democratize it again. (Also, do the voting limits matter, given that nobody attempted to cast more than one vote?) Note that giving no number is equivalent

DIS: Re: BUS: Resigning Rulekeepor

2013-09-14 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 13 Sep 2013, woggle wrote: I do not believe I will have time in the next month to fulfill the obligations created by Proposal 7599 for me to create two new formats of the ruleset, both of which require substantial manual annotation. Therefore, I resign Rulekeepor. You'd think

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assumed CotC] Clerk's Docket

2013-10-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 19 Oct 2013, Thelas Staloras wrote: Clerk's Docket Argh please use plain text at least for officers' reports. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: quorum call

2013-12-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, Max Schutz wrote: even though my name is not on this list I also object we are still just trying to get back up off the ground  I don't think that worked as you didn't post to a PF. Which is just as well, as reducing Quorum down to the level of people who are actually

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: quorum call

2013-12-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, Max Schutz wrote: ok then this is me objecting to the whole darn prospect  Did you not read what I wrote, or are you just being a jerk? Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: quorum call

2013-12-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
inactive without objection. For this to work, players must not object to making others inactive, if they don't know that the others are really going to play. Greetings, Ørjan. On Fri, 13 Dec 2013, Max Schutz wrote: I'm visually impaired thank you very much On Dec 13, 2013 11:08 PM, Ørjan

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: What about changing quorum like this?

2013-12-14 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 15 Dec 2013, Alex Smith wrote: Quorum for an Agoran Decision is equal to the number of currently active players who voted on the most recently resolved Agoran Decision to adopt a proposal, minus 3. Determined at what time? The current Rule 879 depends on the definition of eligible

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: What about changing quorum like this?

2013-12-14 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 15 Dec 2013, Alex Smith wrote: It shouldn't make scams easier unless there's widespread disinterest in a distribution. In fact, the rule would provide an incentive to vote (so as to prevent the following distribution being used for a voting scam). I imagine it could scammably amplify

Re: DIS: subgame proto attempt

2013-12-17 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Tanner Swett wrote: Med. Af. Syria, Carthage, Spain Not sure how much historical accuracy you're going for here, but I think historically Roman Africa contained and started with (defeated) Carthage. I guess that was all the Republic had down there; Egypt didn't get

Re: DIS: subgame proto attempt

2013-12-17 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: If the Ant Farm Manifesto states that a player's (Agoran) score would change, the Ant Farmer SHALL announce that change as soon as possible, and that announcement, if true, changes the player's score as announced. I get a bit nervous

Re: DIS: subgame proto attempt

2013-12-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: On 18 December 2013 06:36, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: If the Ant Farm Manifesto states that a player's (Agoran) score would change, the Ant Farmer SHALL announce that change as soon

Re: DIS: The Ruleset

2014-01-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 1 Jan 2014, Henri Bouchard wrote: Is the ruleset on the berkeley website not updated regularly?: https://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~charles/agora/current_flr.txt That's woggle's website. The last updates in that directory are from Sep 13, the same day he resigned Rulekeepor because of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 7614

2014-01-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: Not a big deal, not planned as a scheme to control current batch of proposals, just a minor personal preference. BTW with the current system it would seem to speed things up if you distribute closer to the beginning of the week. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for 7615-7617

2014-01-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 15 Jan 2014, omd wrote: On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Wow. Significant rules changes and a quite high voter count. I'm happy. Indeed... a bold new era of cleaning up the mistakes we just put into

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7618-7620

2014-01-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 18 Jan 2014, Alex Smith wrote: [Apologies for the formatting, my email is still somewhat wonky.] Yes, leaving out the date of the quoted message is clearly evil. That was what you meant, right? Since it was perfect in every other way. Not a html tag in sight. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7618-7620

2014-01-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Can't you forbid div/span formatting. Please. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Report

2014-01-26 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014, Ed Murphy wrote: Registrar's Report I believe that _if_ you weren't a player when the election was resolved, then the office immediately became vacant again. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Simulation Time

2014-01-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 30 Jan 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: I intend, with Agoran Consent, to amend the OPERATIONS MANUAL by appending the following, where [RR1..6] will be replaced with the sequence of six lowest integers not already in use as clause numbers. s/integers/positive integers/ RR1. In a timely

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Simulation Time

2014-02-05 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014, Geoff Schmidt wrote: I would support this with: s/a magnitude of 100/a magnitude equal to the magnitude of their previous score plus 100/ I'll just point out that has ambiguous parsing. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Simulation Time second intent

2014-02-05 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 5 Feb 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: RR1. In a timely fashion after this clause takes effect, the Herald CAN and SHALL set each player's Score to a random complex number with a magnitude of (100 plus eir immediately previous magnitude), by announcement. In a timely fashion

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Simulation Time second intent

2014-02-05 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 6 Feb 2014, Ørjan Johansen wrote: What's a new player's immediately previous magnitude? Also, what is the precision of these random complex numbers, we probably don't want the Herald to compute infinitely many digits... Oh never mind, Rule 2419 answers both questions. Greetings

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Current Game Report

2014-02-07 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 7 Feb 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Fri, 7 Feb 2014, Alex Smith wrote: + 9 2 2 1 0 i (Now Philomory has no operators, I have no operators but one 'i', and my score is 0+92210i.) Opinions sought on game balance: should we implement omd's suggestion of limiting huge jumps by allowing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: (Mis)Applying My Linguistics Skills

2014-02-12 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, omd wrote: I'm somewhat skeptical of the word organism. If it has to be biological, then just say human, there's no guarantee hypothetical space aliens or AIs would be considered organisms anyway. :) [snip] /me wonders whether speculating about Tines is too silly for the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

2014-02-22 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 22 Feb 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: This is, in part, why the original Suberian ruleset made sure to specify that the worst that could happen to you was leaving the game, because in nomic the in-game and out-of-game are in a very different place than in traditional games (didn't Vlad

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Speaker] CFJ 3400 assigned to woggle

2014-02-22 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, Ørjan Johansen wrote: I thought it was Swann (a bit hard to cross reference pseudonyms :P), but anyhow the book I remember is http://www.amazon.com/The-Omega-Game-Steven-Krane/dp/0886779073 Oh hm definitely Swann: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._Andrew_Swann (BTW I

DIS: Re: BUS: slow play still

2014-03-10 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 10 Mar 2014, Alex Smith wrote: I find people are normally more interested in charting round the current rules for a scoring system, than trying to improve them. I guess from my point of view, I'm in a pretty good position to win by exploiting the current rules, so why would I want them

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution...

2014-04-22 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 22 Apr 2014, x1122334455 wrote: I apologize, what's going on? I'm new. They're voting on a proposal for fixing a bug in one of the rules for how to win the game, but they don't seem to agree that the new version is bug free. :) Greetings, Ørjan. On 4/22/14 at 1:10am, Pavitra

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results on Proposals 7632-7640

2014-05-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 1 May 2014, Sean Hunt wrote: [This notice resolves the Agoran decisions of whether to adopt the following proposals. For each decision, the options available to Agora are ADOPTED (*), REJECTED (x), and FAILED QUORUM (!).] [Note that due to the changes in voting in Proposal 7629, I am

DIS: Re: BUS: Birthday Blitz Nomic

2014-05-05 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 5 May 2014, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Amend the text in Rule 1769 (Holidays) reading:       The week that contains the beginning of Agora's Birthday,       together with the following week, are a Holiday. to read:       The week that contains the beginning of Agora's Birthday,      

DIS: Re: BUS: oops, redux

2014-05-19 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 19 May 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: [added 'unconditional' because conditional voting makes this trivial] I remove my proposal, Back to Basics, from the Pool. I submit the following Proposal, Back to Basics, AI-1: I'd imagine this sort of thing would be more interesting with secret

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3406 assigned to Fool

2014-05-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 24 May 2014, x1122334455 wrote: So what just happened? You went way over time on delivering a judgement, so the Arbitor removed you from the case and reassigned it to someone else. By doing so, you have broken Rule 591. From my brief search of the rules, there seems no longer to

DIS: Re: BAK: [Fwd: [Fwd: Judgement in CFJ 3406]]

2014-05-31 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 30 May 2014, Fool wrote in a surprisingly non-foolish judgement: It's too bad prop 7657 could not have resolved first, but, time is running out and, as per H. Assessor, you guys are lame. Now Sean was of course legally required to insult you. I, on the other hand, am insulting you pro

Re: DIS: Re: Try 3

2014-06-02 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 2 Jun 2014, omd wrote: I apologize for, like, the fifth time for the downtime, and hope that this time it's actually fixed rather than about to break again as soon as I look the other way. APOLOGY ACCEPTED (Also, testing) Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possibly Impotent Revenge against Evil Signature Enforcers

2014-06-04 Thread Ørjan Johansen
I am not sure that top posting your signature is legal. On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Sean Hunt wrote: I'd take this case. -scshunt On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:34 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: I deputise for the Referee to award a Red Card to Henri for publishing a Registrar's Report without signing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Possibly Impotent Revenge against Evil Signature Enforcers

2014-06-04 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Oh wait. publishing implies a Public Forum, not Discussion. Which means scshunt is also in the clear. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 5 Jun 2014, Ørjan Johansen wrote: I am not sure that top posting your signature is legal. On Wed, 4 Jun 2014, Sean Hunt wrote: I'd take this case. -scshunt

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset

2014-06-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 7 Jun 2014, Henri Bouchard wrote: So will I. -scshunt Replying without quoting at all is rather annoying, especially when messages are coming in a day late in random order... Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3418 assigned to Murphy

2014-06-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 30 Jun 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: 3418 (Henri): Midnight Monday is defined as 24:00. is hereby assigned to Murphy. Hm by my reading of the dice server reply that should have been assigned to scshunt, why wasn't it? Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3419 assgined to Henri

2014-06-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 30 Jun 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: CFJ 3419 (scshunt): If Rule 1789 were repealed, the obligation on the Registrar to note the method of deregistration of players deregistered by Writ of FAGE would remain. is hereby assigned to Henri. And I'd have thought that would go to Murphy again?

DIS: Re: BUS: a bold assertion

2014-07-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: Oh, if all this failed because I didn't assign a CFJ #, I do it again while assigning it CFJ#3423 at the appropriate juncture. -G. AFAICT CFJ numbers have no official status whatsoever. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy IADoP] Metareport

2014-08-30 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 30 Aug 2014, Alex Smith wrote: why isn't it officeholdor, come to think of it? *Grumble* the -or suffix used to only apply to -keepor, *Grumble* Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Minister for GNP Evaluation] Weekly GNP Analysis Report

2014-10-14 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Kerim Aydin wrote: NOW TAKING BETS for GNP for the Week of 2014-10-13! - BET up to 100 Florins per week by private message to me, or via discussion forum. BETTING CLOSES 24 hours before end of week. Heh heh heh... - ODDS PAYOFF BELOW. Bookie's purse is infinite. -

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Scorekeepor] A very lazy attempt at scorekeeping

2014-10-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, omd wrote: Meh... I deputise for Referee to award aranea a Yellow Card, as this report, while justifiable (and apparently partially my fault? I don't remember the context - I thought I calculated it accurately after my correction), is against the rules. Then I resign

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Scorekeepor] A very lazy attempt at scorekeeping

2014-10-17 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014, omd wrote: Referee was vacant. Oops, forgot about that part of ais523's scam. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: PROPOSAL: Credits

2014-10-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014, Henri Bouchard wrote: I submit the following proposal: -- PROPOSAL: Credits Replace every instance of the word points in the ruleset excluding the instances of the word points in Rule 1023 (Common

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