Re: youtube-dl blocked?

2024-04-24 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Apr 24, 2024 at 11:26:09PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > I wonder how many people would be happy using Debian Linux, if it was not > updated for 28 months? It definitely sounds like you should ask those youtube-dl people for a refund, and maybe some service credit for all the

Mesh VPN on Debian (Was Re: Current best practices for system configuration management?)

2024-04-21 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 04:40:24PM -0700, Mike Castle wrote: > Like Alex, one of my physical machines is a laptop that is not always > on the home network. Though I'm usually connected to *something*. > I'm still debating whether to bother with a VPN or trying something > like a tailnet.

Re: Current best practices for system configuration management?

2024-04-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 05:05:14PM -0700, Mike Castle wrote: > Anyway, suggestions based upon actually experience would be appreciated. As others have mentioned, Ansible can be a good choice for as little as one machine as long as you don't object to installing Python and a bunch of Python

On user expectations (Was Re: *****SPAM***** Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian)

2024-04-18 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Hans, On Thu, Apr 18, 2024 at 11:38:18AM +0200, Hans wrote: > I only hope, it will not happen the same fate like usermin and webmin > happened > to: It was once removed from the repoi with th ereason "spagehetti code, bad > code" and then no one ever took a look again to it, although many,

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-04-01 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 03:19:18PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > I've no idea of Jacob Bachmeyer's bias toward systemd, if any, > other than "katamari" apparently refers to a Japanese video game I > know absolutely nothing about. I also don't know anything of Bachmeyer and very little of

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-04-01 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 03:33:37AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > From what I have read, lzma is not a direct dependency of openssh. It > turns out that it lzma is a dependency of libsystemd and that > relationship affected openssh. > > Jacob Bachmeyer in analysis >

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-03-31 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 07:19:41PM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > I would think A Smith's comment here was directed to this interesting bit > from the report he cited: > > Given the activity over several weeks, the committer is either directly > involved or there was some quite severe

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-03-31 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 04:27:52PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 3/31/24 15:26, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2024/msg00058.html > Does this mean its now safe to update our bookworm installs? I am not aware of a time when it was not safe

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-03-31 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 05:30:50PM -0400, Lee wrote: > I just saw this advisory > Escape sequence injection in util-linux wall (CVE-2024-28085) > https://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2024/Mar/35 > where they're talking about grabbing other users sudo password. I note that "write" and

Re: [oss-security] backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to ssh server compromise

2024-03-30 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 08:57:14PM +, fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: > so is this a threat to us normal debian users If you have to ask, i.e. you do not know how to check that your Debian install is secured against extremely well known recent exploits that have been plastered across the

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-03-29 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 07:02:54PM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote: > Andy Smith writes: > > https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2024/03/29/4 > > > > (Upstream xz/lzma project compromised, hostile code inserted into > > sshd in Debian sid and other lead

Re: Fwd: [oss-security] backdoor in upstream xz/liblzma leading to ssh server compromise

2024-03-29 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 01:52:18PM -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > Seems relevant since Debian adopted xz about 10 years ago. Though we do not know how or why this developer has come to recently put apparent exploits in it, so we can't yet draw much of a conclusion beyond "sometimes people

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-03-29 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 05:43:22PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2024-03-29, Andy Smith wrote: > >> > >> It makes no fucking difference, because your important data is elsewhere > >> and completely out of your control. > > > > I WAS going to gently

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-03-29 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 05:47:44PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2024-03-28, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > A more proactive endeavor would be to document known best practices > > It makes no fucking difference, because your important data is elsewhere > and completely out of your control. I

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-03-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 12:22:57PM -0400, Lee wrote: > For heavens sake, the man page says > >Traditionally, write access is allowed by default. However, as users >become more conscious of various security risks, there is a trend to >remove write access by

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-03-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 05:21:21PM +0100, Michel Verdier wrote: > On 2024-03-28, Marc SCHAEFER wrote: > >> Apparently the root of the security issue is that wall is a setguid > >> program? > > > > a) wall must be able to write to your tty, which is not possible > >if wall is not

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-03-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 11:24:08AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 01:30:32PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote: > > https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/ > > > > This has a chapter on security, so possibly it would be appropriate &g

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-03-28 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 12:28:56AM -0400, Lee wrote: > On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 10:07 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 05:30:50PM -0400, Lee wrote: > > > I just saw this advisory > > > Escape sequence injection in uti

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-03-27 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 07:37:13AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: > Some distros, like Debian, do not seem to have a command like > command-not-found by default. […] > Which implies that Debian is secure by default against this particular > exploit I suspect if OP is worried about

Re: making Debian secure by default

2024-03-27 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Mar 27, 2024 at 05:30:50PM -0400, Lee wrote: > I just saw this advisory > Escape sequence injection in util-linux wall (CVE-2024-28085) > https://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2024/Mar/35 > where they're talking about grabbing other users sudo password. It doesn't work by default

Re: debian12: something destroys /etc/network/interfaces at boot

2024-03-26 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 06:33:42PM +0100, Steffen Dettmer wrote: > I changed a gateway on a remote site using /etc/network/interfaces by > changing gateway. However, at reboot some old gateway IP reappears. I > really hate when some magic knows better than an explicitly set value. > What

Re: seeding /dev/random from a security key

2024-03-25 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 09:24:23PM +0100, Björn Persson wrote: > Does anyone know of another way to obtain random data from devices of > this kind? I have some EntropyKeys and some OneRNGs. I have the rngd packaged in Debian feeding /dev/random from them. This had an actual noticeable

Re: Redis license change

2024-03-22 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 07:00:40AM +0100, Micke Nordin wrote: > What will Debian do with regard to the Redis announcement that > they will go proprietary[0]? There isn't really any choice as it's no longer free software. So at best it gets moved into non-free I suppose (it is still source

THAT obvious troll thread

2024-03-22 Thread Andy Smith
Slow clap for everyone who replied to THAT obvious troll thread and quoted it for the archives. Your first day on the Internet is it? I had already gone to the trouble of reporting it and Debian postmasters had kindly removed the objectionable post from the web archive, but now in your wisdom

Re: After installing no access to the installed system.

2024-03-18 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 01:40:44PM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 12:48 PM Thomas Schweikle > wrote: > > 1. Download debian live-CD/DVD from: > > https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-12.5.0-amd64-xfce.iso > > or > >

Re: After installing no access to the installed system.

2024-03-18 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 05:31:24PM +0100, Marco Moock wrote: > Am 18.03.2024 um 16:17:55 Uhr schrieb Thomas Schweikle: > > It seems the installer fails silently at some point, after having > > installed all packages. Maybe it fails installing grub? > > This doesn't explain the users not

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-03-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 10:52:17PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > I think the discussion might usefully stop at this point before it > degenerates to more heat than light (as is the way of most discussions > eventually - call it an application of mailing list entropy :) ) Three weeks on

Re: logcheck(1) in bookworm 12.5 /etc/logcheck/logcheck.logfiles.d/syslog.logfiles

2024-03-14 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 04:18:26PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > Interesting. My logcheck instance works just fine, andmakes no such > complaints. However, my > /etc/logcheck/logcheck.logfiles.d/syslog.logfiles has them commented > out. You are probably using the journald support as

Re: Bookworm, fail2ban and sshd

2024-03-14 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 04:01:54PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > I'm trying to set fail2ban up on bookworm. It refuses to run with the > default configuration (sshd only), reporting: > > Failed during configuration: Have not found any log file for sshd jail I think you want to set "backend

Re: logcheck(1) in bookworm 12.5 /etc/logcheck/logcheck.logfiles.d/syslog.logfiles

2024-03-14 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 11:25:52AM -0700, John Conover wrote: > Email from logcheck(1) contains: > > E: File could not be read: /var/log/syslog > E: File could not be read: /var/log/auth.log > > which do not exist in bookworm 12.5. > > The offending file: > >

Re: Spam from the list?

2024-03-08 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Mar 08, 2024 at 02:16:07AM +, Tim Woodall wrote: > And some dkim seems setup with the intention that it should not be used > for mailinglusts: > > DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; > d=dow.land; > s=20210720; >

Re: Spam from the list?

2024-03-07 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Mar 07, 2024 at 09:44:51AM +0100, Hans wrote: > --- sninp --- > > Authentication-Results: mail35c50.megamailservers.eu; spf=none > smtp.mailfrom=lists.debian.org > Authentication-Results: mail35c50.megamailservers.eu; > dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed"

Re: electrons/the Internet doesn't like question authority niggahs?, or is it that I like to eat raw garlic, ...

2024-03-04 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Mar 04, 2024 at 10:37:28AM -0600, Albretch Mueller wrote: > spend days on end reading, coding and thinking about Math? Please could you rephrase your entire email to only contain coherent, direct questions at least tenuously about Debian. If this results in an empty email, this is

Re: DNSSEC status of deb.debian.org

2024-03-03 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Mar 03, 2024 at 09:39:42AM +, Andre Rodier wrote: > I was checking the Debian domain, and noticed that it is DNSSEC compliant. > > However, when I check "deb.debian.org", the DNS validation fails. Things in the debian.org domain are responding correctly with DNSSEC but

Re: {OT] Mailing lists etc for postmasters

2024-03-01 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Mar 01, 2024 at 11:00:13AM +, Gareth Evans wrote: > https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126?hl=en#requirements-5k=%2Crequirements-for-sending-or-more-messages-per-day%2Crequirements-for-all-senders > > mentions DMARC in requirements for all senders: > > "Don’t impersonate

Re: {OT] Mailing lists etc for postmasters

2024-03-01 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Mar 01, 2024 at 01:42:07AM +, Gareth Evans wrote: > I have somehow only just discovered that Gmail, Apple and Yahoo > are introducing, or have recently introduced, DMARC requirements > for senders. Just for the record, the Authentication part of DMARC is done with SPF and/or

Re: where are the crontab files in Trixie?

2024-02-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 04:47:59PM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote: > Andy Smith writes: > > Once you enable lingering for a user, that user's timers will > > trigger all the time. > > IIRC lingered user cannot be "normal" with session and so on. Am I > wr

Re: where are the crontab files in Trixie?

2024-02-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 05:49:58AM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote: > With cron, regular user can set up his/her jobs wihtout using admin > credentials, and these jobs will be triggered regardless of being logged > in. Is it possible with systemd timers? Once you enable lingering for a user, that

Re: where are the crontab files in Trixie?

2024-02-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 02:58:13PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > I don't foresee real cron going away any time soon. If you today install bookworm base system and select no packages, the only reason why you get cron is because logrotate depends upon it. If you do not need logrotate then

Re: SOLVED Re: Disk corruption and performance issue.

2024-02-26 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 06:25:53PM +, Tim Woodall wrote: > Feb 17 17:01:49 xen17 vmunix: [3.802581] ata1.00: disabling queued TRIM > support > Feb 17 17:01:49 xen17 vmunix: [3.805074] ata1.00: disabling queued TRIM > support > > > from libata-core.c > > { "Samsung SSD 870*",

Re: medically smart watches

2024-02-26 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 12:24:34PM +0100, hw wrote: > How does the watch you got measure blood sugar? Doesn't that require > a blood sample? Some of them claim to extrapolate it from sweat, others claim to be able to estimate it from shining near-infrared at the blood vessels that are near

Re: debian installer network console

2024-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
HI Matt, On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 05:40:31PM -0600, Matt Zagrabelny wrote: > Does anyone know how to switch to a different virtual console (tty) over a > network console on a debian install? I haven't tested this but when doing an install over serial console, the installer runs in GNU Screen so

I think we can't disappear ifenslave documentation just yet (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

2024-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 10:52:17PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > If anyone wants to remove the references to ifenslave and > substitute others, that's entirely fine. I really don't think in this specific case it would be a good idea to remove all mention of ifenslave because: - The

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:17:15AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On 2/24/24, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 01:35:14PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > >> I wrote: > >> > You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was m

Postel's Law (Was Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP)

2024-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote: > I sometimes think that something similar to Postel's Law but applied to human > interactions would be useful. However that is wishful thinking The basic assumption that people mean well is how con artists and high pressure

Re: medically smart watches

2024-02-24 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 10:03:16AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > As most of you know I'm a DM-II, but the recent shortage of trulicity, a > weekly self administerd shot that helps regulate one's blood guclose levels > has got us scrambling for alternatives. So a month back I bought one of the

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 01:35:14PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > I wrote: > > You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made > > clear that the work was already done. > > Assuming we care about the most rapid healing possible for those who > are actually triggered by

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 09:26:09PM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote: > in my /etc/interfaces there is now: > > auto bond0 > iface bond0 inet static > address 10.0.16.2/24 > bond-slaves en0 en1 > bond-mode 4 > bond-miimon 100 > bond-downdelay 200 > bond-updelay

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 06:14:02PM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote: > Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:50:12 > fxkl4...@protonmail.com napisał(a): > > too many people have nothing constuctive to do > > so they spend there days stirring the pile > > idle hands and all that > > Yeah like asking

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote: > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the > political aspects of the "why", No surprise that there are a lot of people in this thread with very strong feelings that they simply must tell us about, even

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote: > It would *literally* break every single script that checks the status > of bonding config in system, as it is all just plain text. Unless a different driver was made instead. Which is what actually happened. Thanks, Andy

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-23 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:14:10PM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote: > Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 11:25:25 > Roger Price napisał(a): > > On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Marco Moock wrote: > > > The only package I am aware of that changed some terms is sendmail. > > > > > > > With the publication of

Re: Meeting with the Development Team

2024-02-22 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 08:40:32AM +, Ray Galt wrote: > I would like to reach out to the decision-maker in the IT > environment within your company. I will be surprised if Ray is subscribed and reading this as Ray's message was basically spam (a cold contact with very little research

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

2024-02-22 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote: > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the > political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e. > how far this has been progressed in Debian. As Debian is not itself upstream for most

Re: Determining which file is at a given LBA offset; was: HDD error: Current_Pending_Sector

2024-02-21 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 07:53:38PM -0500, Default User wrote: > Note: I occurs to me that another idea would be to simply delete all > files from the "bad" drive, then rsync everything fresh from the "good" > drive back onto the "bad" drive.   You can do it in one step with rsync --delete …

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 07:44:55AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: >This thing has no configuration file by default; you have to read the >comments in the software itself to figure out what it does. Or, say, the Debian Administrator's Handbook.

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 08:52:09AM +0100, Erwan David wrote: > I use KDE, and I do not know wether discover does an update by itself. I do > not thind any setting about this I think it is very likely that KDE has an equivalent to GNOME, which does the equivalent of "apt update" every day and

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 10:17:17AM +0100, Michael wrote: > i very much dislike the fact that my systems do things i am not aware of. I think one of the purposes of a Linux distribution is to pull together a collection of disparate software of their choosing and make default decisions for

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 10:21:24PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Does anyone know when these things changed, and why on earth nobody > knew about it?! Did I miss a section in the release notes or something? Why are you shocked by this? Most of it is disabled by default (no update / upgrade

Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"?

2024-02-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 10:06:23PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Andy, look at that CET after my name in the sig, that stands for Certified > Electronics Tachnician. There isn't a polite way to say this really but unfortunately I am unable to take you seriously as you've posted so many

Re: red SATA cables "notoriously bad"?

2024-02-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 08:16:49PM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > I've never heard of this. I did a bit of searching around and all I > > can find is assertions that cable colour doesn't matter for SATA. I > > can't seem to find anything about red pigment damaging the copper. > > Have you

Re: Timer doing apt update

2024-02-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 08:35:18PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: > Sorry il was packagekit, I made a mistake while writing. If it's packagekit then isn't it going to be some part of your desktop environment? Which desktop environment are you using? GNOME will download updates and prompt you to

red SATA cables "notoriously bad"? (Was Re: Orphaned Inode Problem)

2024-02-19 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 04:12:44PM -0300, Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ wrote: > The notorious red SATA cables - I threw them out long ago. The red > pigment eats up the fine copper threads, changing the impedance of the > cable and eventually making false contact before failing completely.

Timeshift / Back In Time - How do they work

2024-02-18 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 19, 2024 at 10:52:16AM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > I said sometime in this thread that timeshift (and Back in Time) use hard > links to create progressive copies of the system. The more I think about how > hard links reportedly work, I reckon it can't be simply hard links. I

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-17 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 12:46:25AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: [38 lines of irrelevance snipped out of a 71 line email] > I've printed drawers to fill those slots. The top slot has a bpi-m5 in it, > the bottom slot has a 5 volt 10 amp psu in it. slot 2 will have 2 of those > nearly 4T SSD's

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 03:46:54PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > FWIW, my crystal ball says "30s => software timeout rather than hardware > problem" Back in a previous thread Gene was saying that it's only evident when some GUI app brings up a file requester to load or save something so

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 02:02:59PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 16 Feb 2024 at 14:48:12 (+), Andy Smith wrote: > > No, because it's a filesystem label for the ext4 fs created on > > /dev/sdz1. If sdz1 is turned into an LVM Physical Volume, there > > won't

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 08:44:26PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/15/24 15:45, Andy Smith wrote: > > MD RAID isn't the only way to achieve redundancy. You also haven't > > explained why you need LVM. Depending on your needs, maybe a > > filesystem with redundancy

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 01:32:26AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/15/24 16:20, David Wright wrote: > ># gdisk -l /dev/sdz > >GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 1.0.3 > > > >Partition table scan: > > MBR: protective > > BSD: not present > > APM: not present > > GPT:

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-16 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 01:16:59AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/15/24 16:20, Andy Smith wrote: > > Suppose you have the MD array /dev/md42. What are you conceptually > > wanting to do with that in relation to labels of some kind? What > > informatio

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 03:59:30PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > Now the question remains howinhell do I put a label on a drive > such that it does survive making a raid or lvm device with it? To > not have a way to id its the drive in slot n of a multislot rack > stops me in my tracks. Given

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 03:19:54PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/15/24 11:21, Andy Smith wrote: > > You asked if "labels" would survive their associated partition being > > put into LVM. > > > > I said, "yes if you mean partition names, no if y

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 05:32:34PM +, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Andy Smith wrote: > > Do remember that this mailing lists does not accept attachments (and > > very few mailing lists in general do), so any time you are tempted > > to send a ph

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 09:56:07PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: > > > I hope you are putting a level of redundancy under that LVM or are > > > using the redundancy features of LVM (which you need to go out of > > > your

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 08:48:31PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 05:09:02PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > I have made 1 full partiton om each one, a labeled those partitions as > > > SiPwr_0 and SiPw

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 09:06:43PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/14/24 19:48, Andy Smith wrote: > > But your chosen partition names don't make a lot of sense to me. > > You've picked names based on the type/manufacturer of device so you > > may as well have just use

Re: f3tools vs Silicon Power 4T drive

2024-02-14 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 05:09:02PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > I have made 1 full partiton om each one, a labeled those partitions as > SiPwr_0 and SiPwr_1 Please show us the command you used¹ to do that, so we know what exactly you are talking about, because as previously discussed

Re: Does "LC_ALL=C" work on all shells?

2024-02-13 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 07:29:37PM -0500, Gremlin wrote: > Upon investigation, I can not determine which package > /etc/default/locale belongs too. dpkg -S and apt-file will only find files that are actually shipped in packages. Files that are created or used by maintainer scripts but not

Re: Debian bookworm: reboot required

2024-02-12 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 11:49:18AM +0100, Klaus Singvogel wrote: > in the past Debian Distributions there were two files in the system, when a > reboot was necessary: > /run/reboot-required /run/reboot-required.pkgs These files are created by the postinst script of individual Debian

Re: hexchat being discontinued?

2024-02-11 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 11:58:10AM -0500, Default User wrote: > I can't really say what it is I like about hexchat and dislike about > other IRC clients, except to say that it just seems to work the way my > brain does. Which other ones have you used that you do not like, then? Thanks,

Re: Mixing HDD and SSD in lvm

2024-02-11 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 11:00:07AM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote: > ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAGSVALUE WORST THRESH FAIL RAW_VALUE > 246 Total_LBAs_Written -O--CK 100 100 000-14380174325 > [...] > --8<---cut here---end--->8--- > > Do

Re: find and it uncommon syntax - grrrrrrrrr

2024-02-10 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 06:03:39PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 2/10/24 15:55, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > find . -iname 'bpim5*shelf.scad' > > Thank you Greg, it worked and 4 more copies are under construction now, but > why is this not in the man page? Mind boggling. Why can Gene not

Re: find and it uncommon syntax - grrrrrrrrr

2024-02-10 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 03:46:09PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > I have misplaced file someplace in /home/gene. > its name is bpim5*shelf.scad > As usual it outputs 100,000 filenames, none of which is the one I am looking > for. How in heck do you shut this thing up so it only spits out >

Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was Re: Unidentified subject!)

2024-02-08 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 04:22:49PM -0500, Gremlin wrote: > On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 08:43:17PM +0000, Andy Smith wrote: > > I really do mean all forms of USB that come over a USB port. > > That line was meant to read > > I really do mean all forms of storage that

Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was Re: Unidentified subject!)

2024-02-08 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 04:00:01PM -0500, Gremlin wrote: > I have been using USB attached HDDs and SSDs for 10 years now and > have never had one unexpectedly go off line. Your postings > suggest you don't know what your talking about. Okay then. Despite this uncharitable comment, I do

Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was Re: Unidentified subject!)

2024-02-08 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 03:56:19PM -0500, Gremlin wrote: > On 2/8/24 15:43, Andy Smith wrote: > > I wouldn't have much issue with taking a USB drive out of its caddy > > to get the SATA drive from inside, except that it would have to be > > an amazingly good deal to

Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was Re: Unidentified subject!)

2024-02-08 Thread Andy Smith
On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 08:43:17PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > I really do mean all forms of USB that come over a USB port. That line was meant to read I really do mean all forms of storage that come over a USB port. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was Re: Unidentified subject!)

2024-02-08 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 02:20:59PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 11:57 AM Ralph Aichinger wrote: > > How does a breaking USB disk differ from a breaking SATA disk? > > I may be mistaken, but I believe AS is talking about USB thumb drives, > SDcards and the like. I

Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was Re: Unidentified subject!)

2024-02-08 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 05:40:54PM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote: > On Thu, 2024-02-08 at 15:36 +0000, Andy Smith wrote: > > I learned not to go there a long time ago and have seen plenty of > > reminders along the way from others' misfortunes to not ever go > > there a

Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was Re: Unidentified subject!)

2024-02-08 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Feb 09, 2024 at 12:23:45AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 08/02/2024 22:36, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 07, 2024 at 03:30:29PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > [629241.074187] scsi host37: usb-storage 1-2:1.0 > > > > USB storage is for phones an

Re: Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was Re: Unidentified subject!)

2024-02-08 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 11:14:24AM -0500, Gremlin wrote: > On 2/8/24 10:36, Andy Smith wrote: > > USB storage is for phones and cameras etc, not for serious > > computing. Many people will disagree with that statement and say > > they use it all the time and it is fine.

Things I don't touch with a 3.048m barge pole: USB storage (Was Re: Unidentified subject!)

2024-02-08 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Wed, Feb 07, 2024 at 03:30:29PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > [629241.074187] scsi host37: usb-storage 1-2:1.0 USB storage is for phones and cameras etc, not for serious computing. Many people will disagree with that statement and say they use it all the time and it is fine. They will

Re: Home UPS recommendations (Was Re: rsync --delete vs rsync --delete-after)

2024-02-08 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 06:55:04PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > So, I must admit, I am quite tempted by BX1600MI which would cost me > about £183. The equivalent spec in the Pro range is more than twice > this price. [ TL;DR: While free software like apcupsd or nut support all APC

Re: Mixing HDD and SSD in lvm

2024-02-06 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 12:18:26PM +0100, Kamil Jońca wrote: > My main concern is if speed differences between SSD and HDD in one lvm > can make any problems. The default allocation policy for LVM ("normal") is to use an arbitrary PV that has space. So this means that unless you say so, you

Re: Mixing HDD and SSD in lvm

2024-02-06 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 11:03:03AM +0100, Basti wrote: > If you use mdadm for RAID you can mark the slower disk as 'write-mostly' to > get more read speed. Both (MD) RAID-1 and RAID-10 will work this out by themselves, by the way, and tend to read from the fastest device. I have benchmarked

Re: Mixing HDD and SSD in lvm

2024-02-06 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 09:04:13AM +0100, Hans wrote: > I am not sure, if it is possible, to do same in LVM. As far as I know, LVM > must also set the corrct devicenames in correct order, mustn't it? Neither LVM nor MD will have a problem with member devices changing their device path as

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-02-03 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 02:41:38PM +0100, Franco Martelli wrote: > There is an alternative to hardware RAID if you want a Linux RAID: you can > disable UEFI in the BIOS and delete the ESP as I did when I bought my gaming > PC several years ago. I have storage devices which legacy BIOS cannot

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-31 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 09:50:23PM +0100, hw wrote: > On Mon, 2024-01-29 at 23:53 +0000, Andy Smith wrote: > > I think you should read it again until you find the part where it > > clearly states what the problem is with using MD RAID for this. If > > you still

Re: Automatically installing GRUB on multiple drives

2024-01-29 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 05:28:56PM +0100, hw wrote: > On Sun, 2024-01-28 at 21:55 +0000, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 09:09:17PM +0100, hw wrote: > > > On Sun, 2024-01-28 at 17:32 +, Andy Smith wrote: > > > > If someone DOES want a script o

Re: Stop packagekitd from downloading updates

2024-01-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 04:42:18PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 04:31:02PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I self-inflicted this by installing [unattended-upgrades] so many years ago? > > It's a dependency of some/most(?) desktop environments, I think. I > doubt

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