[PSES] 2013 IEEE Symposium on Product Compliance Engineering Sponsored by the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society

2013-08-05 Thread Dan Roman
Both IEEE and non-IEEE members: October 7- October 9, 2013 Austin, Texas, USA www.psessymposium.org The special edition of the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society newsletter is available and contains a preliminary list of presenters with abstracts as well as a list of vendors

[PSES] Expert for the Japanese Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Act

2013-07-22 Thread Michael Loerzer
Hello, we are looking for an expert/consultant for the Japanese Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Act (DENAN Law) especially with a detailed question for electric ovens in acc. to IEC 60335-2-42 and the approval process. You can contact me offline. Best regards Dipl.-Ing

Re: [PSES] Expert for the Japanese Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Act

2013-07-22 Thread Peter Merguerian
...@globalnorm.de wrote: Hello, we are looking for an expert/consultant for the Japanese Electrical Appliance and Material Safety Act (DENAN Law) especially with a detailed question for electric ovens in acc. to IEC 60335-2-42 and the approval process. You can contact me offline. Best

Re: [PSES] Power distribution submetering application - Safety standard for Instrument Current Transformers on mains relative to IEC/EN/UL61010-1 3rd 61010-2-030?

2013-07-19 Thread Chris Wells
Eaton -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 9:15 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Power distribution submetering application - Safety standard for Instrument Current Transformers on mains

Re: [PSES] Power distribution submetering application - Safety standard for Instrument Current Transformers on mains relative to IEC/EN/UL61010-1 3rd 61010-2-030?

2013-07-19 Thread John Woodgate
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[PSES] Power distribution submetering application - Safety standard for Instrument Current Transformers on mains relative to IEC/EN/UL61010-1 3rd 61010-2-030?

2013-07-18 Thread Chris Wells
In load side power distribution industrial/commercial electrical sub-metering applications (feeder and branch circuits)we use IEC/EN/UL61010-1 3rd (plus 61010-2-030 for the current transformers (CT)) to evaluate our meter's safety design. In this application the instrument current transformer

Re: [PSES] Power distribution submetering application - Safety standard for Instrument Current Transformers on mains relative to IEC/EN/UL61010-1 3rd 61010-2-030?

2013-07-18 Thread John Woodgate
transformers and it does address safety issues. IEC 60044-8. There is also the general transformer standard, of which IEC 61558-1, -2.4 and -2.6 may be applicable. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Why is the stapler always empty just when you want it? John Woodgate, J M

Re: [PSES] Is a Notified Body really needed to assess electrical safety for a 12VDC RTTE device?

2013-06-24 Thread Willem Jan Jong
] On Behalf Of ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen Sent: zaterdag, 22 juni, 2013 4:20 PM To: Crane, Lauren; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: Is a Notified Body really needed to assess electrical safety for a 12VDC RTTE device? Hi Lauren, As far as my understanding goes, without any

[PSES] Is a Notified Body really needed to assess electrical safety for a 12VDC RTTE device?

2013-06-21 Thread Crane, Lauren
Dear Experts, I am looking for help in understanding how to correctly address LVD concerns within the RTTED. The RTTED has three main concerns (essential requirements), 1. Radio spectrum issues [art. 3.2] 2. Low voltage safety [art. 3.1.a] - LVD 3. Electromagnetic

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits - 13A plugs

2013-06-18 Thread Mick Maytum
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Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits - 13A plugs

2013-06-18 Thread John Woodgate
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Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits - 13A plugs

2013-06-18 Thread John Woodgate
that plug to the UK ring-main sockets. So, mis-wiring of the Live or Neutral conductor to the Earth/Ground pin of the p Products fitted with the 6 A 2-pin connector MUST be Class II, so there is no real distinction between L and N as far as the product is concerned, and no safety issue. -- OOO

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits - 13A plugs

2013-06-18 Thread John Allen
!). Now that's what I call leakage current! J John From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Mick Maytum Sent: 18 June 2013 15:31 To: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org Cc: Joe Randolph Subject: Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits - 13A plugs Joe, My

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-06-12 Thread Piotr Galka
understand it. Piotr Galka - Original Message - From: Joe Randolph To: ri...@ieee.org Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:08 AM Subject: Re: safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits Hi Rich: Thanks for insight on this. I think your

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-06-05 Thread Joe Randolph
as the only possible failure mechanism of the SPD is fail-open. However, I think the assumption that SPDs can only fail open is flawed. For 6.2 (protection of equipment users), I do not see how the 1000 VRMS barrier provides any degree of safety protection if it can be bridged by an SPD in normal use

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-06-03 Thread Richard Nute
gh the SPD. (Of course, there is some very small current due to the stray system capacitance to earth through the mains transformer.) DISCUSSION My principal question is why a safety standard would go to the trouble of calling out an

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-31 Thread Joe Randolph
chose to use a 200 volt SPD. So, in normal use, the effective isolation would be 200 volts. If the SPD fails short, the isolation is zero. Since the equipment has no connection to earth, protective earth has no role in the operation of the SPD. DISCUSSION My principal question is why a safety standard

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-26 Thread Richard Nute
voltage, the isolation system is not a safety isolation, i.e, is not a basic insulation. Nevertheless, because the external circuits are subject to transient over-voltages, the isolation system must withstand such over-voltages. Therefore, the isolation system is subject to an electric strength test

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-26 Thread Richard Nute
. Best regards, Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-21 Thread Mick Maytum
quickly... SPDs are not considered reliable components or assemblies. The safety standards anticipate a failure -- anywhere from open-circuit to short-circuit. In the event of an open-circuit, there is no indication of such a failure. And, of course, all transients then pass through the open SPD

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-21 Thread Joe Randolph
Hi Rich: The apparent contradiction that I was trying to describe can be summarized as follows: a) The safety insulation barrier must withstand a hipot test of, say, 1500 VRMS b) It is permissible to bridge this safety insulation barrier with a SPD that breaks down at, say, 300 VRMS In other

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-21 Thread Peter Tarver
Rich - Notwithstanding your statements about the safety insulation needing to meet the testing, I have always viewed the testing with the SPC removed or disabled to be an allowance, since in almost every instance, will cause a false indication of breakdown of the safety insulation by means

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-21 Thread Aldous, Scott
Throwing in my 2 cents: Hipot test values are based on expected transients. The concern with the transient overvoltages is that they could punch through insulation needed for safety and subsequently hazardous voltages can be allowed to reach areas where they should not. The function of an SPD

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-21 Thread Joe Randolph
, Inc. 781-721-2848 (USA) j...@randolph-telecom.com http://www.randolph-telecom.com Throwing in my 2 cents: Hipot test values are based on expected transients. The concern with the transient overvoltages is that they could punch through insulation needed for safety and subsequently hazardous

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-21 Thread Bill Owsley
So the Safety engineer said the single fault condition was an open ground... Now what? A surge into a 300 volt SPD transfers that surge voltage to the open ground (chassis) and there is now a hazard !!! Thus the position, I've been told while sticking my fingers in my ears, The SPD's have

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-20 Thread Joe Randolph
Hi Rich: I'm hoping that you can provide one of your straightforward Rich Nute Explanations for the apparent contradiction behind the rationale that allows a surge protection component to be placed across a required safety isolation barrier, and then removed for the purpose of performing

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-20 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Joe: Very quickly... SPDs are not considered reliable components or assemblies. The safety standards anticipate a failure -- anywhere from open-circuit to short-circuit. In the event of an open-circuit, there is no indication of such a failure. And, of course, all transients then pass

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-12 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Bill: SPDs, regardless of configuration, are notorious for being prone to failure, either short-circuit or open-circuit or any value of resistance between those two extremes. (One cannot predict the energy the SPD will be required to dissipate.) From a safety point of view, all

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-12 Thread John Woodgate
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Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-12 Thread Richard Nute
out, would it arc over at a lower voltage? Depends on what's left in the GDT, if anything. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-12 Thread Brian Oconnell
-Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of John Woodgate Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits In message 518feba9.7000...@ieee.org, dated Sun, 12 May 2013, Richard

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits - GDTs

2013-05-12 Thread Mick Maytum
voltage? - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-11 Thread Boštjan Glavič
primary to PE. But please note, this is valid for primary circuit only. For secondary circuits no such requirements are applicable. Best regards, Bostjan On 11. maj 2013, at 18:09, Bill Owsley wdows...@yahoo.commailto:wdows...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm running into a dilemma. Not being a Safety

Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-11 Thread Harris, Kevin J (DSC)
LiokKKlklKMmmKrm$KmkJmM Sent from my BlackBerry From: Bill Owsley [mailto:wdows...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 02:21 PM To: Boštjan Glavič bostjan.gla...@siq.si Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] safety 60950 and surge

[PSES] safety 60950 and surge suppression circuits

2013-05-10 Thread Bill Owsley
I'm running into a dilemma.   Not being a Safety Engineer myself, but rubbing elbows with them... On a piece of ITE equipment, I need some surge suppression for worldwide markets with one annoying requirement for 4 kV, otherwise just 2 kV line to earth, and using either plugable cords

[PSES] Factory Audits And Safety Don't Always Go Hand In Hand

2013-05-01 Thread Richard Nute
Listen to the report: http://www.npr.org/2013/05/01/180103898/foreign-factory-audits-profitable-but-flawed-business (The accompanying text leaves out some details.) Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety

[PSES] Copyright-free images of product safety testing needed

2013-04-29 Thread Douglas Nix
Colleagues, The PSES will be holding a Product Safety Engineering Workshop in Vancouver, BC, Canada in June, and I need your help. I am designing a brochure / flyer for the event, and I am in desperate need of some hi-resolution images of various kinds of product safety testing in progress. I

Re: [PSES] Copyright-free images of product safety testing needed

2013-04-29 Thread Brian Oconnell
: Copyright-free images of product safety testing needed Colleagues, The PSES will be holding a Product Safety Engineering Workshop in Vancouver, BC, Canada in June, and I need your help. I am designing a brochure / flyer for the event, and I am in desperate need of some hi-resolution images

[PSES] IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society announcements

2013-04-24 Thread Dan Roman
Dear List Members, A web version of this email is available at http://www.ieee-pses.org/temp/130330a.html. ### Newsletter ### The latest issue of the newsletter is now available on our website. Current issues of the IEEE Product Safety Engineering newsletters can be found in the society members

[PSES] Position - Product Safety Engineer at Cisco Systems in Boxborough MA USA

2013-04-04 Thread Brian Brady (bbrady)
We have a full time position open here in Boxborough for a product safety engineer. Please see the following link for the job description: https://www.cisco.apply2jobs.com/ProfExt/index.cfm?fuseaction=mExternal.showJobRID=941165CurrentPage=1 Please enter your information there. Thank you

[PSES] UK Electrical Product Safety Conference

2013-04-03 Thread Douglas Nix
The Electrical Safety Council will stage its third Product Safety Conference at Church House, London on 16 May 2013. The conference theme - “Safety of electrical products – a 3600 approach” - will address issues of product safety in design, recall effectiveness, and methods and processes

[PSES] Medical Safety consultant in Seattle area.

2013-03-26 Thread McInturff, Gary
for about 3.3 kw systems. They are building medical instruments - computers looking at cells (so nothing touching a patient directly). I've been through the product dev. cycle a few times now which is to say - I'm pretty sure what's needed for most implementations to pass the UL type safety issues

Re: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements

2013-03-11 Thread Kevin Richardson
as a result of receiving this material or for any consequence of its use. From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Friday, 8 March 2013 8:33 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements Is safety testing for Australian

Re: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements

2013-03-11 Thread Peter Merguerian
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements Is safety testing for Australian market according to AS/NZS 60950.1 mandatory, even if the product is powered with 24VDC? I have been told so …. To be more precise: The product (EUT) gets it power 24VDC/0.1A from

Re: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements

2013-03-11 Thread John Woodgate
found in chicken and turkey meals John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e

Re: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements

2013-03-11 Thread Kevin Richardson
. From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguerian2...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, 12 March 2013 12:33 AM To: Kevin Richardson Cc: Amund Westin; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements Kevin Thanks for the correction. Too many standards

[PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements

2013-03-08 Thread Amund Westin
Is safety testing for Australian market according to AS/NZS 60950.1 mandatory, even if the product is powered with 24VDC? I have been told so .. To be more precise: The product (EUT) gets it power 24VDC/0.1A from an AC/DC (230VAC/24VDC) power supply, which is IEC60950-1 tested and approved

Re: [PSES] AS/NZS 60950.1 - Austrlian safety requirements

2013-03-08 Thread Peter Merguerian
Peter Sent from my iPhone Peter S. Merguerian pe...@goglobalcompliance.com Go Global Compliance Inc. www.goglobalcompliance.com (408) 931-3303 On Mar 8, 2013, at 4:32 AM, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no wrote: Is safety testing for Australian market according to AS/NZS 60950.1

[PSES] FW: Find Product Safety Consultant

2013-03-02 Thread Dan Roman
Services IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org From: Michael Recker [mailto:m...@wirelessenv.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:03 AM To: admin-p...@ieee.org Subject: Find Product Safety Consultant Hello, We have a product that failed in the field

[PSES] EMC,Radio, and Safety Requirements for Brazil

2013-02-18 Thread itl-emc user group
Hello, Can someone point me in the right direction concerning applicable standards for Brazil for EMC, Radio and Safety testing of ITE, Medical, Industrial equipment, household appliances, etc. Thanks in advance. Regards, David Shidlowsky | Technical Writer Address 1 Bat-Sheva St. POB 87, LOD

[PSES] EMC,Radio, and Safety Requirements for Brazil

2013-02-18 Thread Chris
From: itl-emc user group itl...@itl.co.il To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 8:37 AM Subject: EMC,Radio, and Safety Requirements for Brazil Hello, Can someone point me in the right direction concerning applicable standards

[PSES] ISTAS'13 - Smart World Product Safety Track Call for Papers

2013-01-08 Thread Doug Nix
CALL FOR PAPERS - Product Safety Track ISTAS'13 - Smart World The Social Implications of Wearable Computing and Augmented Reality in Everyday Life http://veillance.me Wearable Computing and Augmented Reality is becoming reality, but little discussion on the product safety aspects of these new

[PSES] Product Safety Job openings at Bose

2013-01-03 Thread Tyra, John
Hello Everyone, The Bose Product Safety Group is growing again and I have openings for two positions in Framingham, MA. I have included a very brief description of the positions but you can view the complete job descriptions on the Bose Website using the above req#'s https://www.bose.com

Re: [PSES] Safety standards (UL, ...) in railway applications

2012-12-21 Thread Ted Eckert
Hello Michael, I believe that the U.S. requirements for railroad safety are written as Federal Regulations, Title 49, Subtitle B, Chapter II, Parts 200 - 269. http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=b2a64dafd5d937af27f919b36bb433d0c=ecfrtpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title49/49cfrv4_02.tpl Another version

[PSES] Safety standards (UL, ...) in railway applications

2012-12-20 Thread Michael Loerzer
Hello, does in the US specific or complemtary standards exists similar to EN 50126, EN 50128 or EN 50129? Product scope: Instrumentation and control systems for rail vehicles like air conditioning, ventilation, door control, traction and safety applications. Best regards

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Doug Nix
Gandhi On 7-December-2012, at 02:32, John Woodgate wrote: Safety and EMC 3rd party testing costs are properly a marketing expense, because they are incurred in order to be allowed on to the market. They are not a charge on RD, because the products work perfectly OK without the testing

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Cortland Richmond
; I forget which. ** www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15294405 Might we have a psychologist speak at an EMC Symposium on How to talk your boss into doing the right thing? Cortland Richmond On 12/7/2012 0232, John Woodgate wrote: Safety and EMC 3rd party testing costs are properly a marketing

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Weininger, Sandy
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety I was on contract to write a test plan for a new AED when one of the project managers complained about the cost of doing all the tests. No one else does, it's a competitive disadvantage. Why make it so difficult? Rather than fall back

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Jack Burns
This is a good point for discussion, but doesn't it ignore the difference between safety and compliance. You can put unsafe but compliant products on the market because compliance does not catch all safety issues. Maybe the cost of testing should be a legal expense if you believe the product

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread John Woodgate
In message 000c01cdd486$cdf05bc0$69d11340$@ieee.org, dated Fri, 7 Dec 2012, Jack Burns jbu...@ieee.org writes: Should the added cost of the safety features be considered a marketing or legal expense?   Well, either, because generally for those budgets USD5 is a trifle, whereas it's half

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Brian Oconnell
Of John Woodgate Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 8:13 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety I've used that 'Do you have so many customers that you can afford to kill a few?' response to that. It doesn't make one popular but it gets the point over. -- OOO - Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Grasso, Charles
Years ago I had firsthand experience ( as a fledgling engineer) of a DIRECT financial impact on the company I worked for at the time due to a safety hazard in a fielded product. The product in question was an OEM PC. The company did all the due diligence with respect to the marking and safety

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread John Woodgate
to make a point, the more obtuse it proves to be. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread McInturff, Gary
of Safety Years ago I had firsthand experience ( as a fledgling engineer) of a DIRECT financial impact on the company I worked for at the time due to a safety hazard in a fielded product. The product in question was an OEM PC. The company did all the due diligence with respect to the marking

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:12 AM To: John Woodgate; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] The Cost of Safety Years ago I had firsthand experience ( as a fledgling engineer) of a DIRECT financial impact on the company I worked for at the time due to a safety hazard in a fielded

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
The Fault Tree Analysis appears to be a decent tool for determining safety concerns with a fully compliant listed/certified product, because it makes the team address things like multiple fault scenarios and foreseeable misuse. It is subjective in nature, because many assumptions need

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
) ___ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Solar Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: Grasso, Charles charles.gra...@echostar.com To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG, Date: 12/07/2012 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety Years ago I had firsthand experience

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Ralph . McDiarmid
father had discovered that if the non-polarized plug was in the socket the wrong way around, the screw head got energized at 120V. That hurts! Since those days, product safety standards have helped eliminate many of the hazards in consumer appliances, and they're getting better at it every year

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread Cortland Richmond
While I was at one now defunct computer manufacturer, our safety engineer left for greener pastures in the Persian restaurant business (honest!) and we EMC types were drafted until we could find another one. However, after I saw the AC decay voltage tester setup I yelled at them a bit

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-07 Thread John Woodgate
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[PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-06 Thread Richard Nute
I recall a marketing VP saying to me some years ago that safety is a cost without a return. Meaning we don’t want to put any more money into safety than we absolutely have to. In today’s paper, we learn that this mantra continues. “At the April 2011 meeting in Dhaka, the Bangladesh

Re: [PSES] The Cost of Safety

2012-12-06 Thread John Woodgate
In message 388614C14BF842D68620C77DADC90DBA@RichardHPdv6, dated Thu, 6 Dec 2012, Richard Nute ri...@ieee.org writes: I recall a marketing VP saying to me some years ago that safety is a cost without a return.  Meaning we don’t want to put any more money into safety than we absolutely have

[PSES] Product safety requirements

2012-11-16 Thread Mcburney, Ian
/. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments

Re: [PSES] Product safety requirements

2012-11-16 Thread John Woodgate
would not have a 'safety earth' unless you provided it separately. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk The longer it takes to make a point, the more obtuse it proves to be. John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK

Re: [PSES] Product safety requirements

2012-11-16 Thread Aldous, Scott
party safety certifications. You should be able to find a certified one OTS (or multiple converters) that will work for you if you don't want to deal with the certification piece yourself. Maybe that defeats the purpose of what you are trying to do since you could just as easily find OTS certified

Re: [PSES] Product safety requirements

2012-11-16 Thread Chuck McDowell
In America, a few years ago at Lucent, we built a DSL device that was remotely powered by a separate power supply with a NEC ANSI/NFPA 70 Class 2 DC output. The power supply had a NRTL safety marking, and as you suggest, the DSL device itself did not carry a NRTL safety mark, only EMC and Fcc

Re: [PSES] Product safety requirements

2012-11-16 Thread Kevin Robinson
wrote: In America, a few years ago at Lucent, we built a DSL device that was remotely powered by a separate power supply with a NEC ANSI/NFPA 70 Class 2 DC output. The power supply had a NRTL safety marking, and as you suggest, the DSL device itself did not carry a NRTL safety mark, only EMC

Re: [PSES] Product safety requirements

2012-11-16 Thread Peter Merguerian
safety marking, and as you suggest, the DSL device itself did not carry a NRTL safety mark, only EMC and Fcc approval marks. Chuck McDowell Meyer Sound Laboratories Inc. From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Aldous, Scott Sent: Friday, November 16, 2012 8:36 AM

Re: [PSES] Product safety requirements

2012-11-16 Thread Brian Oconnell
be interpreted for mandatory 'mark', but the government has, on several instances, say that marking requirements are the scope of the NRTL. Also note that article 725 of NEC is oft used by an AHJ inspector to determine if the voltage/power/energy level indicates that no further consideration for safety

Re: [PSES] IEC 60320 Outlet Safety

2012-11-08 Thread Brian Oconnell
Did anyone reply? How about a socratarian reply (a la Gary Tornquist)? For 'safety' relay - do you need EN954 conformity? Is there an implied requirement for a lock-out/positive power control function? SSRs are easy to use, but can be leaky. Is that an issue? Current interrupt devices can

[PSES] IEC 60320 Outlet Safety

2012-11-06 Thread Kunde, Brian
the external device on and off. Questions: 1. Does the relay have to be double pole or will a single pole relay be ok (the device can operate at either 115VAC or 230VAC in different power systems around the globe). 2.Does the relay have to be a safety relay or can we just control one pole

[PSES] IEC 60320 Outlet Safety

2012-11-05 Thread Kunde, Brian
the external device on and off. Questions regarding safety IEC/EN 61010-1: 1. Does the relay have to be double pole or will a single pole relay be ok (the device can operate at either 115VAC or 230VAC in different power systems around the globe). 2.Does the relay have to be a safety relay

Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-02 Thread Wiseman, Joshua E
be. Josh From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:19 PM To: Wiseman, Joshua E; 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: RE: Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada? Hydro – inspections I believe they are called. It’s been awhile

Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-02 Thread Jim Hulbert
Thank you for responses I've received. They've been very helpful. Jim Hulbert From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Jim Hulbert Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 4:35 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada

Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-02 Thread Tom Smith
who can. Tom Smith, P.Eng Product Safety and Approvals Consultant TJS Technical Services Inc. Tel: +1 403-612-6664 Email: tsm...@tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com http://tjstechnical.com/ Follow us on Twitter: TJS_Technical From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org

Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-02 Thread Doug Nix
to industry in the Province of Ontario, there may also be the requirement for a Pre-Start Health and Safety Review under Ontario Regulation 851, Section 7. This does not apply in any other Province or Territory. Links: CEC Part 1: http://shop.csa.ca/search?q=C22.1categoryPathRefs=shopsearchsubmit

[PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-01 Thread Jim Hulbert
be certified by one of the Standards Council of Canada approved test laboratories to Canadian standards? Jim Hulbert Pitney Bowes - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc

Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-01 Thread Wiseman, Joshua E
[mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 3:35 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada? In the U.S., there are OSHA regulations that require electrical apparatus used in the workplace be certified to U.S. standards

Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-01 Thread McInturff, Gary
...@carrier.utc.com] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 1:46 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada? Jim, Yes, I don't remember what code or regulation this is stated in, but when I was working at an NRTL occasionally we would have

Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-01 Thread Ted Eckert
reflect those of my employer. From: McInturff, Gary [mailto:gary.mcintu...@esterline.com] Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 2:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada? Hydro - inspections I believe they are called. It's been awhile

Re: [PSES] Are Product Safety Certifications Mandatory in Canada?

2012-11-01 Thread Tom Smith
The answer is yes - each province has an electrical code mandated by law and a set of the certification marks which are recognized within that province. In additional, Canada Occupational Health and Safety Regulations SOR/86-304, Clause 8.3 mandates compliance of electrical equipment

[PSES] IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society Announcement

2012-09-23 Thread Dan Roman
://www.psessymposium.org/ for registration and venue information. __ Dan Roman, N.C.E. VP of Communications Services IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society mailto:dan.ro...@ieee.org

Re: [PSES] OSHA concerning working safety, which might result in necessary changes in documentation

2012-09-17 Thread Brian Oconnell
Loerzer Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 11:49 AM To: IEEE PSES Subject: OSHA concerning working safety, which might result in necessary changes in documentation Hi, I have received the information that there is an additional requirement in US due to demands of OSHA concerning working safety, which

[PSES] OSHA concerning working safety, which might result in necessary changes in documentation

2012-09-16 Thread Michael Loerzer
Hi, I have received the information that there is an additional requirement in US due to demands of OSHA concerning working safety, which might result in necessary changes in documentation. Does anybody confirm that? In which regulation is that new requirement published? Best

[PSES] Commercial Safety Requirments

2012-08-21 Thread Rick Busche
I am looking for suggestions for commercial (UL, CSA, etc) standards that might apply to ITE RF rack mounted equipment, antennas, all mounted on a flatbed trailer. As mentioned most of the hardware is ITE with the more typical safety standards applied. Once those products get hard mounted

Re: [PSES] Commercial Safety Requirments

2012-08-21 Thread Brian Oconnell
. In general 49CFR571 is vehicle safety, where a few paragraphs may apply depending on how the trailer sources power to ITE. Assuming that the trailer is for ITE at fixed site, building code=NFPA70E, standard=60950-1. Note that there are SAE and NHTSA and DoT standards for emergency response vehicles. Per

Re: [PSES] Commercial Safety Requirments

2012-08-21 Thread Pete Perkins
is active in that type of work would respond - either directly to you or to the list. Or you might contact Tom Burke of UL, a 108 member. :) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety Engineer PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 fone/fax

[PSES] Fwd: Sr Compliance/Safety Engineer position, laser equipment company, Portland area

2012-07-09 Thread Doug Nix
: Senior Product Safety Compliance Engineer: Senior Product Safety Compliance Engineer with advanced knowledge of product safety, machinery, and industrial systems design, design for safety, and design for compliance requirements. Must work well with engineering teams and contribute

[PSES] Canceled - Northeast Product Safety Society Meeting Wednesday, June 27th

2012-06-14 Thread Matthew Campanella
All,   The scheduled June 27th NPSS meeting is canceled.   If you or anyone you know would like to give a product safety technical presentation, please contact Steve Brody by email at steven.br...@brooks.com or Tony Nikolassy by email at a.nikola...@yahoo.com).  A technical presentation

Re: [PSES] Thailand EMC, Safety Regulatory Compliance

2012-06-07 Thread Dave Heald
.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=emc-p...@ieee.org Am looking for Thai standards for EMC, Safety, RF, SAR. Of interest: 1. Safety: Voltage: what is the voltage on the distribution poles? Is the AC 2 Volts? If not what? Is the voltage the same for both MEA PEA? 2. Will other test reports

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