[e-users] dependencies on systemd?

[Christopher Barry]

Greets all,

Planning to make the move to Devuan, the systemd-less Debian fork. I
just can't stand this invasive hairball another minute. I only boot my
machine every few months - I really don't care if it boots 6 seconds
faster. It takes longer to fully init my 24GB of RAM than sysV init ever
took to boot anyway. 

Will Enlightenment work ok without systemd? Please tell me I won't have
to leave my beloved desktop of close to 20 years behind.

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Re: [e-users] Can't launch any appimage from icon

[Christopher Barry]

PATH var set appropriately?

On Jun 7, 2017 12:01 PM, "maderios"  wrote:

Hi
I can't launch avidemux or digikam appimage from icons i created.
I can launch these appimages inside terminal from the commandline
I can launch successfully any other applications from icons i created
I tested inside xfce4, i meet no problem with appimages.
My question: is it a known bug?
Thanks

Debian stretch system
I compiled myself:
efl 0.19.1
enlightenment0.21.8
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[e-users] interaction question

[Christopher Barry]

E folk, 

I've always wondered why on the desktop I cannot click and drag a
shaded window selector across several icons, then simply hit delete to
delete them all. It is a standard interaction methodology on lots of
various desktop systems. It seems like this was a conscious design
decision to implement this, and I guess I'm not understanding the
rationale there. Is this really on purpose, or do I simply have
something mis-configured?

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Re: [e-users] Enlightenment on Freebsd 11 - status and problems

[Christopher Barry]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 19:33:17 +0200
Quelrond  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>
>First of all, I would like to thank all the team – you are creating a 
>great desktop environment!
>
>
>I’ve just updated my laptop from PCBSD 10.1 to FreeBSD 11, and I’ve 
>reinstalled EFL, Enlightenment and some EFL apps. I don’t remember the 
>old version of EFL, but it was Enlightenment 0.19.x. Now I am on Efl 
>1.18.4 and Enlightenment 0.21.7, both installed from FreeBSD binary 
>packages.
>
>
>The most important thing I want to mention is that the stability of
>the DE is greatly improved. There is no freeze I had frequently on
>E19. The principal source of freeze – main menu – now works perfectly.
>Another important point – the file manager don’t freeze the whole
>system as before (I deactivated the module on E19 as the system was
>unusable with it), it’s fluid and fast. And the bonus – some modules
>are working now! ;)
>
>
>Unfortunately, there are still some problems I want to talk with the 
>developers.
>
>
>The most important problem – efreetd. We’ve already discussed this 
>problem in the mail list, I’ve opened the ticket on phab (T5130). One 
>MUST disable this daemon to be able to use a laptop, if not – the CPU 
>and HDD I/O are consumed permanently. I tried to search a little in 
>sources, but it’s really difficult to understand – how does it start
>and why is it started so frequently. I can try to debug it if someone
>helps me.
>
>
>Another problem (really important for me, but probably not visible for 
>99% of users) – mouse bindings. I’m using a Logitech mouse with 
>additional buttons on scroll wheel (right-click and left-click). These 
>buttons were perfectly recognized by E19 and I’m used to use them for 
>windows list scrolling (like alt-tab). Unfortunately, on E21 it works 
>ONLY if the mouse pointer is placed on desktop or on window title. The 
>“Action Context” is set to “Any”, but it still does not work inside
>any window. Note, that it was perfectly working on E19.
>
>
>As about modules – I’ve tried some ones:
>
>- Temperature is showing 25 degrees always, even when efreetd is 
>transforming my laptop to iron;
>
>- Mixer is perfectly working with PulseAudio… till restart of 
>Enlightenment, it freezes completely after ctrl-alt-end and restart of
>E;
>
>- Cpufreq is showing correctly the current CPU frequency, but the icon 
>stays always the same, with the pointer blocked on minimal position;
>
>- Battery works fine;
>
>- Keyboard works fine.
>
>
>It would be really nice if someone can recommend me something to solve 
>my problems. If you consider that additional tickets should be opened
>on phab – I’ll do it.
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>Peter
>

I'm not an Enlightenment developer, but I have used it since the mid
90s. I will tell you that I know it's a labor of love, and currently
almost all of the love is Linux bound out of necessity. I'll bet that
if you stood up a cloud vm running FreeBSD 11 with a full dev
environment setup on it, and admin'd it, and gave all e devs root on it
to develop and test on it, maybe you even get it into their CI setup,
your issues would get solved a lot quicker. And maybe you can also do
some more debugging to help steer developers toward the issues, as you
suggest above, and even help write some tests maybe.

How bad you need it?

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[e-users] xdg-bs

[Christopher Barry]

Okay, this is annoying...

claws-mail uses xdg-open to decide what app to use when opening files
(rather than 'alternatives', which is the standard Debian way to do
this), so clicking on a link in email always opens Chromium rather than
Firefox which is my system default browser. When I try to see/change it
in Enlightenment, I get the following.

$ xdg-settings get default-web-browser
xdg-settings: unknown desktop environment


Any ideas on how to change this setting to point to Firefox?


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Re: [e-users] Extra release

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On Tue, 14 Feb 2017 23:34:47 +0100
marcel-hollerb...@t-online.de wrote:

>https://extra.enlightenment.org 

very cool

but needs //way// bigger (and more) images of all the themes...

the image, when the thumbnail is clicked, needs to expand to the size of
a desktop, e.g. 1920x1200 or wider and very high resolution.
dual-and-triple-head screenshots in e are really cool. select 'perfect'
when saving them. yeah, they're fat... TFB! It's the only way to
experience these things. :)

But it's a great idea that's way overdue, and it's a great beginning.
I for one am glad you are taking on this challenge in a very creative
way.

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Re: [e-users] Multiple monitors - different resolutions

[Christopher Barry]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2017 20:29:46 +
Allan Jardine  wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Its been years since I last used Enlightenment I'm embarrassed to say
>(E16 had just been released), but am darn glad I've recently installed
>it - using E21 and it is absolutely superb. Thank you to everyone
>involved!
>
>I do have one question - I've got two 4k displays connected to my
>machine and they work great. But I've also got a 1080 screen kicking
>around and I thought I'd stick that on as well so I can have a full
>screen VM on it or similar. I plugged it in and it was recognised, but
>there are a few weird geometry things going on.
>
>This is a photo of it:
>   https://i.imgur.com/UoMSs1f.jpg
>
>What is happening is that on the right most monitor I can't mouse past
>where the wallpaper image ends - although oddly the mouse does on the
>black background - I just can't move it (or any windows) past that
>point (this shot shows that a bit closer:
>https://i.imgur.com/zGPXnXo.jpg );
>
>On the 1080 screen on the left the mouse will go down past the bottom
>of the screen, although the background image is correctly scaled.
>
>Does anyone have any thoughts about how this could be made to work?
>
>Thanks!
>Allan

I use the arandr gui app to get my triple headsetup working. Once you
have the screens set the way you like, it will write a script with the
randr commandline to put it that way. Then I call it from .bash_profile
every login to setup my screens.


If arandr does not help, I'm guessing your gpu may not be up to the
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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

[Christopher Barry]

On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 22:40:34 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)  wrote:

>On Sat, 4 Feb 2017 07:04:15 +0100 nous  said:
>
>> OK, Thank you.
>> 
>> I thought that with wayland, X was not necessary  
>
>for wayland mode - yes. just enlightenment_start will do the job. of
>course this requires systemd (and a logind login session) to be able
>to get permission to the right devices... :)
>

As an aside, does Enlightenment /depend/ upon systemd if not in
wayland mode?

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Re: [e-users] how to start enlightenment ? (from debian experimental)

[christopher barry]

On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 18:05:35 +0100
Pierre Couderc  wrote:

> I have installed witohut problem, stretch and
> 
> apt-get install -t experimental enlightenment
> 
> BUT I don not know...
> 
> ...how to start it ?
> 
> 

If you use a display manager, e.g. lightdm, gdm, xdm, etc, there is
often a drop-down selector on the login page for the session, be it
gnome or enlightenment, etc.

If you come up to a console, pretty sure you can run
enlightenment_start to fire it all up.


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Re: [e-users] Feature request to permit "branding" in themes?

[christopher barry]

On Wed, 25 Jan 2017 10:18:33 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)  wrote:

> learn to brand more subtly. that's my take :)

+1

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[e-users] background rippling

[christopher barry]

Hi All,

I just installed e on a new work box, and the background is doing this
wavy-like rippling thing that's making me dizzy. How can I make it stop?

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Re: [e-users] questions about terminology: sounds and zsh bindkey

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On Sun, 4 Dec 2016 14:48:54 +0100
First name Last name  wrote:

>On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 2:36 PM, First name Last name
> wrote:
>
>Don't mind this part of the message, killing every instance of
>terminology would reload the settings and mute the sounds (I have
>enabled "Multiple instances, one process").
>

Curious, why do you prefer multiple instances of a terminal under a
single process? What is the benefit?

I'm assuming that you realize that if something running in one of the
instances gets hung hard, all other terminal instances also get hung
even if their shells/programs are functioning fine.

lxterminal started using this behavior by default a while back. Very
annoying. It was one of the main reasons I switched to Terminology (but
now I love it for lots of other reasons).

It just seems like a 'Really Bad Idea' (tm) for a terminal to act this
way to me. What am I missing here?


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Re: [e-users] Enventor 1.0 Release

[Christopher Barry]

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:46:13 +0900 (KST)
Hermet Park  wrote:

>Hello everyone,
> 
>I'm glad to announce Enventor 1.0 release.
>
>Please see and enjoy it. :)
>
>Demo Video:
>   https://youtu.be/lTLfr6knXrA
>
>And fyi, Enventor has an official about page that helps you about its
>usage. See https://www.enlightenment.org/about-enventor
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>Changes since Enventor 0.9.0:
>-
>
>Additions:
>   * Tooltips: Newly supported.
>   * Wireframe: Newly introduced.
>   * File Tab: Newly introduced.
>   * Reference Popup: Newly introduced.
>   * A lot of Enventor APIs are changed.
>
>Improvements:
>   * EDC Editor: Rearrange searched part to be placed in center.
>   * EDC Editor: Support to jump to the part define.
>   * File Borwser: Set current directory as a workspace in default.
>   * File Browser: add a function to set a main edc file with a marker.
>   * File Browser: Display sorted file list based on file type.
>   * File Browser: Skip files if their names were started with dot.
>   * Template: Add various samples.
>   * New File: Sort template list in alphabetical order.
>   * Help: Update overall content.
>   * Setting: Apply layze style to syntax color template code.
>   * Setting: Add the main EDC file path.
>   * Live Edit: support base_scale values.
>   * Console: Apply syntax color for error messages:.
>   * EDC Parser: Identify whole macro functions to have syntax color.
>   * Support vector type part.
>   * Update overall GUIs & Shortcut keys.
>   * Support individual group view size and view scale.
>   * Limit to an single Enventor instance.
>   * Update Syntax color keywords.
>   * Allow multi-file editor.
>
>Fixes:
>   * Template: Fix Map template code typo.
>   * Template: don't localize floats in the relative values.
>   * Statusbar: Fix an incorrect view size.
>   * Indentation: Fix a incorrect indentation in a corner case.
>   * Live Edit: Fix incorrect stacking.
>   * Live Edit: Fix an added object to have min size properly.
>   * Live Edit: Dismiss ctxpopup when view position is changed.
>   * Goto: Fix window closing issue.
>   * Setting: Fix to not abuse user Elementary configuration file.
>   * Setting: Reset font style properly.
>   * EDC Editor: Show images on cursor "images.image".
>   * EDC Editor: Fix to remove focus highlight on template seletion
> button.
>   * Fix many crash scenarios.
>   * Fix a dummy swallow/spacer selection bug.
>   * Fix Undo's indiscriminate red alert.
>   * Fix build break on Win32.
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Re: [e-users] can't make new launchers in IBAR

[Christopher Barry]

On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 13:25:53 +1000
Daniel Kasak  wrote:

>Yikes. I just finished telling my 7-year-old that dummy-spits are not
>the best way to get people to do what you'd like them to do.

well, technically speaking, that's not *always* true... :)

>
>Anyway ... what you've done is create a .desktop file in
>~/.local/share/applications ... as noted in this thread. Next, you
>need to add this to your launcher bar ( ibar ). Hit ALT + ESC
>together, then type either the name you gave the app, or the path to
>the app. If you don't see your app appear in the filtered list, your
>.desktop file has issues. Locate it and figure out what the issue is.
>If you *do* see the app, launch it, then CTRL + right-click it, and
>select:
>
>[app name] ( first item in menu ) ==> Add to IBar ==> default ( or
>whatever IBar )
>
>It should now be in your launcher.
>
>I see now, looking at the right-click menu for IBar, that there is a
>"+ Contents" item. Clicking this allows me to browse existing icons
>and add them to the IBar.
>
>Users that have been with E for a while will also know that in
>~/.e/e/applications/bar/default there is a ".order" file that you can
>add .desktop file names to. This was the very old way of adding icons
>to the IBar.
>
>There are lots of ways.
>
>As for the rest of the comments, I've been using various versions of E
>for the past 15 years or so. It's always been usable for me - actually
>it's always been the *most* usable for me. I also appreciate the
>mammoth effort in porting to Wayland - this will certainly pay off in
>the long term.
>
>Dan
>
>On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 9:58 PM, Larry Wyble 
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 23:32:05 -0700
>> Eric  wrote:
>>  
>>> On 06/03/2016 04:03 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:  
>>> > On Thu, 2 Jun 2016 22:48:18 -0700
>>> > Eric  wrote:
>>> >  
>>>  
>>> >>
>>> >> Can you give an example of what steps you are taking to create
>>> >> the launcher, what application you are trying to launch and what
>>> >> errors you are receiving?
>>> >>
>>> >> Otherwise I don't know if I can provide any help.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kind regards,
>>> >>
>>> >> Eric  
>>> >
>>> > Right click on the Ibar go up to ibar then click "create new icon
>>> > > then in the "Desktop Entry Editor" I put in the name,
>>> > > application,
>>> > then click icon and enter the icon name, them click apply and
>>> > close and nothing happens. It's like typing into nothing and
>>> > hoping that nothing actually does something for you.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for replying
>>> >
>>> >  
>>> That way is not working for me also but it does create a desktop
>>> file in the ~/.local/share/applications directory.
>>>
>>> Can you see if the entry is located there?  If it is, try and drag
>>> it from the file manager to the ibar between some of the other
>>> application icons that are already there.
>>>
>>> I hope this works for you,
>>>
>>> kind regards,
>>>
>>> Eric  
>>
>> Thanks Eric, but I think Jerry rigging is not the way this is
>> supposed to work. This should be working properly by using the menus
>> and apps built into Enlightenment, not by working around the designed
>> operation. This is supposed to be Basic usability and it's not. It's
>> ignored for the sake of NON-usability, IOW; Wayland.  Wayland is much
>> more important than being able to use the desktop.
>>
>> Appreciate your replying to this.
>> Larry
>>
>>  
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[e-users] terminology

[Christopher Barry]

Hey Terminology developers,

I'm back using it after a very long hiatus, and I have to say this is
hands down the best terminal I've ever used. Really nice, clean features
and implementation. The window split is so nicely done.

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Re: [e-users] Enlightenment DR 0.20.8 Release

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On Wed, 18 May 2016 17:41:17 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)  wrote:

>On Tue, 17 May 2016 16:24:47 +0200 "R. W. Reese"
> said:
>
>> El 2016-05-17 02:21, Simon Lees escribió:  
>> > CHANGES
>> > https://git.enlightenment.org/core/enlightenment.git/tree/NEWS?h=v0.20.8
>> > 
>> >   
>> ---
>> 
>> When compiling E20.8 on a second machine, I noticed the following
>> error:
>> 
>> ERR<15887>:ecore_con lib/ecore_con/ecore_con_dns.c:159 
>> ecore_con_info_init() resconf_open: No such file or directory
>> 
>> Has this been deprecated, moved or . . . ?  
>
>no. this is a problem in ecore_con and dns.c - your system no longer
>has a valid /etc/resolv.conf and we have an imported dns resolver and
>it cant figure out your dns server.
>
>basically we have to nuke this code and go back to libc gethostbyname.
>i know of this and its on my todo along with a million other things -
>the issues in in efl, but its created by systems
>dropping /etc/resolv.conf that has been there for decades.
>

But... I thought he DID have an actual resolv.conf file
in /var/run/econman, and that just a symlink in /etc/ pointed to it.

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Re: [e-users] missing resolv.conf (was: Enlightenment DR 0.20.8 Release)

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On Tue, 17 May 2016 21:09:08 +0200
"R. W. Reese"  wrote:

>El 2016-05-17 17:16, Cedric BAIL escribió:
>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 7:24 AM, R. W. Reese
>>  wrote:  
>>> El 2016-05-17 02:21, Simon Lees escribió:  
 CHANGES
 https://git.enlightenment.org/core/enlightenment.git/tree/NEWS?h=v0.20.8
   
>>> 
>>> When compiling E20.8 on a second machine, I noticed the following 
>>> error:
>>> 
>>> ERR<15887>:ecore_con lib/ecore_con/ecore_con_dns.c:159
>>> ecore_con_info_init() resconf_open: No such file or directory
>>> 
>>> Has this been deprecated, moved or . . . ?  
>> 
>> Your /etc/resolv.conf is missing.  
>
>---
>Thanks, this is interesting. My resolv.conf is a symlink pointing 
>/var/run/connman/resolv.conf. I know /var/run is for PIDs and other 
>current system information, but the connman folder does not even
>appear there, so there is effectively no resolv.conf.
>
>Are my two-year old OS installs misconfigured, even though they seem
>to be functioning properly? Should I be fixing this -- and how?
>

If I had to guess, it sounds like the test is for a 'file' not a link,
so the resolv.conf symlink does not get read.

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Re: [e-users] Debianized packages

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On Sat, 14 May 2016 14:09:24 -0400
Ross Vandegrift  wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>I've been maintaining updates to the Debian packages for EFL &
>Enlightenment.  Hopefully, these will land in experimental before too
>long.  But in the interest of getting more testers, I've published
>amd64 binary packages for sid here:
>  http://deb-e.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
>
>The source packages are the debian/sid branches of:
>  https://github.com/rvandegrift/efl
>  https://github.com/rvandegrift/evas_generic_loaders
>  https://github.com/rvandegrift/emotion_generic_players
>  https://github.com/rvandegrift/elementary
>  https://github.com/rvandegrift/e
>  https://github.com/rvandegrift/terminology
>
>Let me know if you run into any issues - especially if you use EFL apps
>other than E and terminology.
>
>Ross
>
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Hey Ross,

I'm running Debian sid and would like to check these out, however, will
I be able to revert back to 17.6 if this trashes my box? I kinda need
this machine :)

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Re: [e-users] Volume control - keyboard

[Christopher Barry]

On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 21:25:49 -0500
Larry Wyble  wrote:

>Where can I adjust the steps of the keyboard volume controls. I use the
>Built in XF86AudioRaiseVolume but I can't find where it calls the
>actual steps to increase volume. The way it is set, it is too course.
>Like one press of the volume up key increases the volume way too high,
>I would like to have a finer control of the volume.
>
>Thanks
>


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc

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Re: [e-users] efm open with doesn't use the complete Exec line of the .desktop

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On Fri, 25 Mar 2016 09:41:34 +0100
jls  wrote:

>Hi to all "e" users.
>efm open with doesn't use the complete Exec line of the .desktop.
>for example I've
>sce-load shotwell && shotwell %F
>in the shotwell's desktop file, but, when I right click on an a file
>in efm, choose open with ,other applications, I choose shotwell I see
>in the text box below (personalize command):
>sce-load shotwell
>only
>thaks
>

point the desktop file at a simple wrapper script.

contents of /home/you/bin/my-shotwell-wrapper:
(chmod 750 to make executable)

#!/bin/bash
# my-shotwell-wrapper
# load and run shotwell
sce-load shotwell && shotwell "$@"


.desktop contents:

/home/you/bin/my-shotwell-wrapper %F



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[e-users] all terminals get killed together

[Christopher Barry]

Hey, this may not be e specific, but I've been noticing something for a
while now that I don't remember functioning this way, namely if I
right-click the window close button and kill an x-terminal that's not
responding, ALL of the open x-terminals are killed. Is this an
x-terminal thing?

Anyone know why this is happening (or if it always worked like this
and I never noticed)? I use debian's e17 and lxterminal.


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Re: [e-users] e17 input settings question

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snip...
>> >
>> >you can dump the e config into text:
>> >
>> >eet -d ~/.e/econfig/standard/e.cfg config out.txt
>> >
>> >trawl through out.txt.  
>> 
>> Cool, I'll try that. Thanks.
>> 
snip...


Here's a bash hack to dump a columnar formatted list of your hotkey
settings. Upper gist is the script, lower gist is sample output from my
config.

e hotkey formatter

https://gist.github.com/christopher-barry/a89bca1ab4e7761dbe8f

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Re: [e-users] e17 input settings question

[Christopher Barry]

Raster, see inline...

On Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:24:42 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:

>On Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:44:58 -0500 Christopher Barry wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Is there a way to dump my key assignments to a text file? Like a
>> cheat-sheet type thing?
>> 
>> I go in there, get all gung-ho, set a bunch of cool hot-keys, then
>> immediately forget them... It would be great to be able to dump the
>> list of all possible actions with their current assignments (or
>> blank if unassigned).
>> 
>> Possible? It's not even feasible to screenshot the dialog, because
>> I'd need an entire screenshot for every possible hot-key!
>> 
>> Another ignorant question: when I select an action that is already
>> assigned to a key combo, why is the  assigned key combo not also
>> highlighted? This makes finding the hot-key, if set, not discoverable
>> by selecting the desired action, and is a bit confusing.
>> 
>> Wondering if it's just using an inappropriate UI paradigm for the
>> task at hand. A sort-able, tabular format might be simpler and more
>> intuitive.  
>
>it is a list of your bindings. each line is an entry/binding. no - it
>doesnt list the thing its bound to in the list next to it, but i think
>you have a special problem yourself of not remembering :)

yep, getting old. that's not really a 'special' problem... you'll enjoy
it too someday :)

>
>you can dump the e config into text:
>
>eet -d ~/.e/econfig/standard/e.cfg config out.txt
>
>trawl through out.txt.

Cool, I'll try that. Thanks.

Note: for debian, I needed to install libeet-bin to get eet.
  I'm going to hack up a script to do what I want with this data,
  and I'll post it later for other pre-Alzheimer's folk...

>
>> For instance, adding a new key would add a new table row of two
>> fields, HotKey and Action, with the left 'HotKey' field selected,
>> and the modal 'Enter HotKey' dialog open. Enter the HotKey, and if
>> it does not already exist, it's entered into the left field, and the
>> cursor is automatically moved to the right field where the type of
>> entry field is a sorted drop-down list with all possible actions to
>> assign - possibly filtered to exclude (or gray out) already assigned
>> actions.
>> 
>> Then potentially this table could be sent to the printer as a
>> formatted two column table for use as a cheatsheet/backup, and maybe
>> even saved to an importable textfile to setup other boxes easily
>> with your preferred hotkeys.  
>
>you have a very very very special problem there. i have never seen
>anyone with a printed out paper of keybindings for their wm on their
>desk. cubicle wall etc.

really. I do this a lot for programs I customize. blender has a
bazillion hot-keys. AutoCAD did as well. It's useful for me, and I'm
betting at least *one* other person in the World might use it if it
was available.

>this would be a lot of support to support
>printing for the only case i have ever heard of needing printing out
>of bindings. :)

yeah, a print button might be a stretch, but export to text that can
also be re-imported elsewhere would be very very very useful (to steal
your word usage) for duplicating settings to other boxen.

>
>the reason the ui is as it is is because that works best with the
>widgets we have atm with the least amount of effort. e has had forever
>on the todo to "clean up settings dialogs". we can improve them, but
>this takes a lot of time and effort.

dig it, and I really really really do appreciate all the work you've
done on e. I love it. It has no peer.

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[e-users] e17 input settings question

[Christopher Barry]

Hi,

Is there a way to dump my key assignments to a text file? Like a
cheat-sheet type thing?

I go in there, get all gung-ho, set a bunch of cool hot-keys, then
immediately forget them... It would be great to be able to dump the
list of all possible actions with their current assignments (or blank if
unassigned).

Possible? It's not even feasible to screenshot the dialog, because I'd
need an entire screenshot for every possible hot-key!

Another ignorant question: when I select an action that is already
assigned to a key combo, why is the  assigned key combo not also
highlighted? This makes finding the hot-key, if set, not discoverable
by selecting the desired action, and is a bit confusing.

Wondering if it's just using an inappropriate UI paradigm for the task
at hand. A sort-able, tabular format might be simpler and more intuitive.

For instance, adding a new key would add a new table row of two fields,
HotKey and Action, with the left 'HotKey' field selected, and the modal
'Enter HotKey' dialog open. Enter the HotKey, and if it does not
already exist, it's entered into the left field, and the cursor is
automatically moved to the right field where the type of entry field is
a sorted drop-down list with all possible actions to assign - possibly
filtered to exclude (or gray out) already assigned actions.

Then potentially this table could be sent to the printer as a formatted
two column table for use as a cheatsheet/backup, and maybe even saved to
an importable textfile to setup other boxes easily with your preferred
hotkeys.

Maybe it's already like this in E20?


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Re: [e-users] Enventor v0.7.0 release.

[Christopher Barry]

On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 11:03:57 +0900 (KST)
Hermet Park  wrote:

>Hello everyone.
>
>Enventor v0.7.0 was just released after about 6 months development. 


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Re: [e-users] Sound too low

[Christopher Barry]

On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:24:00 +0200
Pierre Couderc  wrote:

>I have a problem of sound too low even when sound is at maximum in the 
>Mixer (simple e on debian).
>Is there a way to adjust maximum sound on a higher value.
>
>Thank you.
>
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I think your master mix volume is likely too low. If you're using Pulse,
you need the gui for that to select the active device and adjust the
master volume.


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Re: [e-users] I just installed Enlightenment

[Christopher Barry]

On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 20:45:02 +0200
Davide Andreoli  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>to see what is happening run the media center from the console, the
>command is "epymc", you should see some kind of error.
>
>btw epymc has nothing to do with enlightenment itself,
>I cannot understand how this is related with the e install :/
>
>
>2015-10-09 18:25 GMT+02:00 Larry Wyble :
>
>> I just installed Enlightenment From the git repository and it works
>> except for one thing. When I click on
>> 'Applications/Multimedia/Emotion Media Center' I get "Emotion Media
>> Center stopped running unexpectedly" "There was no error message"
>>
>> What's up wid dat?  :)
>>
>> Thanks

Is it possible that there are older libs in the lib path? This sounds
like this type of issue. If you have a previous version, or maybe an
older packaged version installed, purge them. Make sure the libs for e
are in the lib path and run ldconfig. man ldconfig, and see snippets
in /etc/ld.so.conf.d for more info and help troubleshooting.

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Re: [e-users] text edit in terminology

[Christopher Barry]

On Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:02:56 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 09:17:46 -0400 Christopher Barry
christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com said:

 On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:40:40 +0200
 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu wrote:
 
 I have a (very) small problem when editing C++ :
 
 code
 
 / C++? comment
 o=f;
 
 /code
 
 if I click on  it opens me file:/// in the browser...
 
 I understand that usually it is wanted, but in the current case it
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 Seems like that feature, not at all limited to Terminology mind
 you, an handy as it may be at times, really should require a modifier
 key when clicked to do anything (or a right-click).
 Highlighting/Copying text that is 'hot' like this is also a PITA
 because of this UI feature.
 
 Overall, I would say it generally causes the computer a lot of
 parsing work for nothing. Now, if the parsing only occurred when the
 mouse was over a string and ctl-alt (or whatever) was pressed, and
 then it resolved it as a link and then clicking it would go there,
 then that would be quite useful, performant and unobtrusive.

it only parses when the mouse is over a link - no mods. the parsing is
nothing really work-wise. you can also still select just fine. its a
click without a drag (no selection) that causes the link to be
activated. the only obtrusiveness is the visual underline.


First, Terminology is written with a lot of love, creativity and
craftsmanship and it shows, and I'm not bashing it. I'm not using
terminology right now, but I was a while back, and things like running
apt-get update that would display a bunch of links as it scrolled by,
and with the mouse pointer over the window, seemed to me at the time to
be doing a lot of work for no required reason that no other terminal I
am aware of would have done. Was it 'a lot' in the grand scheme? Dunno.
Was it 'more' and unneeded? Yes. I recall it seeming to consume a lot
of cycles on that, as the underlining lagged the scrolling quite
visibly, but that could have simply been my perception. I personally
found it visually disconcerting and pointless. When my build broke for
some reason, it was one of the reasons I just switched back to
lxterminal, rather than figuring out what caused the build breakage.

I guess my point about it, and it's just my opinion, is that needing to
click a link that appears in a terminal (for me) is probably the less
followed code path, therefore it should probably require a modifier or
context menu to activate. And, maybe should require the text being
highlighted *before* ever wasting even one cycle thinking about it...

Something like:

 highlight-
   right-click-
 context-menu-[Copy|Follow|Open|Run|Search|Locate|etc.]

is still very useful and a bit cleaner UI presentation-wise IMHO.

And, having that action list in the menu be easily configurable and
extensible would be very, very useful indeed.


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Re: [e-users] text edit in terminology

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On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:40:40 +0200
Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu wrote:

I have a (very) small problem when editing C++ :

code

/ C++? comment
o=f;

/code

if I click on  it opens me file:/// in the browser...

I understand that usually it is wanted, but in the current case it is
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Seems like that feature, not at all limited to Terminology mind
you, an handy as it may be at times, really should require a modifier
key when clicked to do anything (or a right-click). Highlighting/Copying
text that is 'hot' like this is also a PITA because of this UI feature.

Overall, I would say it generally causes the computer a lot of parsing
work for nothing. Now, if the parsing only occurred when the mouse was
over a string and ctl-alt (or whatever) was pressed, and then it
resolved it as a link and then clicking it would go there, then that
would be quite useful, performant and unobtrusive.

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[e-users] typo?

[Christopher Barry]

In the build script here:
https://www.enlightenment.org/distros/debian-start

The $PROJECTS var (shown below) captures 'elementary' twice. Is that on
purpose or a typo? Seems like it will build it twice every time.

PROJECTS=efl emotion_generic_players evas_generic_loaders elementary
elementary enlightenment


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[e-users] SF SUCKS! WAS: Re: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

[Christopher Barry]

Hey Carsten, with all the crap[1,2] sf is up to these days, and now this
bounce for no good reason, don't you think it's really past time to
ditch them as the list hosting service?

[1]
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/

[2] http://seclists.org/nmap-dev/2015/q2/194

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Hi,

Today the FPS: n.n overlay was on, and I did not turn it on. What can
cause this debug display item to turn itself (or be turned) on? Could
an application set that on? I see nothing in the key/mouse/acpi
bindings that might have let me fat-finger a hotkey or something. I
was able to turn it off in compositor settings, (thanks herdsman) but
it's curious to me that it was on. Thoughts?

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Re: [e-users] HiDPI, multiple displays

[Christopher Barry]

On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 21:31:58 +1000
Daniel Kasak d.j.kasak...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all.

I've just installed Linux on a new Macbook ( new job, mac-only place
). I now have a HiDPI display, and I'm figuring out how to make things
work. Setting up scaling for E was easy - for the primary laptop
display anyway.

I've read at: https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-x11.html
that you can set the environment variable GDK_SCALE to get Gtk3 to
scale by an integer amount. I've set this under Settings Panel -
Advanced - Environment Variables ... and this works ... but again,
for the primary laptop display only.

When I boot with my massive LG wrap-around monitor ( also courtesy of
new job ), neither Enlightenment nor Gtk3 apps behave nicely on both
displays simultaneously. The LG monitor is *not* HiDPI. The page:
https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/gtk-x11.html *also* says:

Normally, GDK will pick up a suitable scale factor for each monitor
from the display system.

Now this isn't happening when running under Enlightenment - hence the
need to set the GDK_SCALE env variable. Would it be possible to export
this info ( whatever it is that GDK uses to detect DPI ) to apps
somehow?

Dan


$ man xrandr

Also, give arandr a try. arandr is a gui interface for xrandr that will
lewt you set things up and save the xrandr commands to re-do it into a
script.



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Re: [e-users] Enventor v0.6.0 Release

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On Fri, 26 Jun 2015 11:56:37 +0900 (KST)
ChunEon Park her...@naver.com wrote:

Hi folks. This is Hermet.

Enventor v0.6.0 is just released after 4 months development. 
We've mainly focused on stabilizing and improving some fancy features
such as auto completion and live edit. We're pretty sure Enventor has
been much more useful tool when you writing edc.

Enjoy. :)

==Videos==
https://youtu.be/i1l5YHmW9cs
https://youtu.be/7UEgRUb3b8A


==NEWS==

Additions:
Support editor font setting(font name, style, size).
Add Enventor APis.
enventor_object_font_set()/get() APIs.
enventor_object_auto_complete_list_show() API.

Removes:
Get rid of template insert feature per parts.
Get rid of tooltips from menu buttons.

Improvements:

Support more keywords in auto completion.
Support more syntax color keywords
Update live view with the current part that cursor positioned in.
Improve live edit dragging handling.
Introduce new command line arguments.
Add more new file templates.
Support edj output file path set.
Update previous enventor config file properly by version info.
Support saving edj file from file dialog.
Enhance auto completion feature.
Support part highlighting for SPACER type.
Change short-cut keys for split views.
Apply auto indentation when code is pasted.
Support toggle effect on Tools GUI.
Store/Restore editor split view status.
Change live view scaling to zoom in/out concept.
Adjust live view zoom range. (0.1 ~ 10.0)

Fixes:
Fix the compatibility to eo syntax change.
Fix library initialization count corruption.
Disable part highlight on Live Edit mode.
Fix the live view to update by groups correctly.
Fix wrong candidate popup position.
Fix context corruption of font/view scale up/down.
Fix auto completion popup sizing issue.
Close auto completion popup if the line is deleted.
Fix focus highlight remaining issue when live edit item is
 selected. Zoom up/down properly on live edit mode.
Cancel live edit if the about(F1) is activated.
Ctrl + wheel works even with numlock.

Package Download
http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/apps/enventor/enventor-0.6.0.tar.gz
http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/apps/enventor/enventor-0.6.0.tar.bz2
http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/apps/enventor/enventor-0.6.0.tar.xz

Source Repository
http://git.enlightenment.org/tools/enventor.git

See Page
https://phab.enlightenment.org/w/projects/enventor/#



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[e-users] wondering about wayland

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Hi all,

I've read the wayland architecture doc and FAQ, and while I see it gets
rid of a bunch of legacy X stuff (core fonts, etc.), I'm curious as to
what the enlightenment developers think about it, e.g. what's good,
what's not so good (if anything).

Some things I'm wondering about:
* all rendering is done by clients - is that normal or better? to an
  uninformed observer, it seems like a lot of wheel re-inventing will
  need to be done in every application (or does the WM do this?).
* will ssh -X work anymore?
* will XDMCP work anymore?
* will projects like LVS work anymore?

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Re: [e-users] Pixel doubling (HiDPI)

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On Sun, 5 Apr 2015 12:12:56 +0100
Felix E. Klee felix.k...@inka.de wrote:

On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 3:17 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com
wrote:
 we could scale the pixels but your input would still think it has the
 original sized window as input dosnt go through the wm.

That was my suspicion - thanks for the confirmation! :-(

Brainstorming workarounds:

  * Run Xfig in a virtual machine, and - within that machine - use
`xrandr` to scale the entire desktop.

if Xfig needs or uses OpenGL, don't waste your time with this option.


  * Run Xfig within a VNC server on the local machine, then connect
 with a client that supports scaling, for example [gtk-vnc][1].

simple to test, but I doubt you'll be satisfied.


  * As above, but with NX.

likely better than vnc, and again easy to test.


  * Implement pixel doubling in Xaw.

Other suggestions?

Try something other than Xfig?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_vector_graphics_editors


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Re: [e-users] Enventor v0.5.0 is out.

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On Mon, 2 Mar 2015 14:26:26 +0900 (KST)
ChunEon Park her...@naver.com wrote:

Hello.

I've just released Enventor v0.5.0

http://youtu.be/gwhsFjIhNaM

Any feedback always welcome.

Enjoy it.

Thank you.

==
Enventor 0.5.0
==

Changes since Enventor 0.4.0:
-

Additions:
   * Support syntax color customization in setting.
   * Add console auto hide mode.
   * Support Live Edit (Ctrl + E). 
   * Add Enventor APIs.
 - enventor_object_redo(), undo() APIs.
 - enventor_object_cursor_pos_set() API.
 - enventor_object_syntax_color_set()/get() APIs.
   * Add live_view,loaded enventor smart callback.

Improvements:
   * Enable to insert image descirtiption and textblock style in
 template inserting.
   * Reset console error message when error is gone.
   * Add Text Editor mode in setting.
   * Menu supports tooltip.
   * Redesign Tools and support tooltip helper.
   * Redesign candidate popup and it's behavior.
   * Support more keywords in candidate popup.
   * Support more keywords in auto completion.
   * Keep window size set last time.

Fixes:
   * Fix to monitor empty file in live view.
   * Fix intinite loop with -to xxx.edc in command line.
   * Fix live view updation problem.
   * Exporting/Importing Enventor dll for win32.
   * Fix that edj is not reloaded when newly opened edc is changed.
   * Fix wrong cursor position on status bar.
   * Fix to goto window scalable.
   * Set temporary path to default edc path by eina_file_mkstemp().
   * Fix to show double quotation marks() on efl 1.13
   * Don't dismiss candidate popup on key events.
   * Disable autoscrolling while ctxpopup is visible.
   * Fix max value of mouse_events from 1000 to 1
   * Fix to toggle linenumber properly with Shortcut key(F5)
   * Fix max value of the mouse_events from 1000 to 1
   * Fix candidate keyword name align
   * Install missing eo header files
   * Fix build package dependency.


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Hi Enventors,

I just watched your demo on YouTube. Really looking impressive. Lot's
of functionality since I first looked, which was probably many months
ago. Very configurable. Nice Dino as well :)...

One thing that struck me, and it may be a limitation outside your
code you cannot get around, is that when in the editor, you double-click
a programming element and a small dialog pops up with sliders, the
change does not appear in the graphical element until you exit the pop
up (as in @2:58 of the demo). However, when in Settings-Editor tab,
(at say 4:34 of demo), adjusting the font size is reflected in
real-time in the left pane.

The latter experience is intuitive and makes adjustments simple,
whereas the former might require many consecutive iterations of
double-click, adjust, accept, observe repeat cycles, and this is not
as intuitive.

If it's at all possible, having the element adjusters provide real-time
visual feedback would really take this already quite beautiful project
to the next level.

Great work,
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Re: [e-users] need for gconf*, {g}dbus, gvfsd-*

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 19:25:35 +0100
thomasg tho...@gstaedtner.net wrote:

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Christopher Barry
christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
 Greetings,

 I do not use GNOME at all. Is there a reason I need to have any of
 the subjects items on my system (and running) to run enlightenment?

There is not.
However, you probably are using gnome and just are not aware of it. A
lot of applications do use gnome infrastructure and will start the
gnome services. Feel free to remove those files, but don't wonder if
they magically reappear at some point.
If E is configured to start some of those services, it will do so even
without any gnome applications running, so you'd have to disable that
(in Config-Apps-Desktop Environments) as well.
However, having that stuff around usually doesn't hurt either.

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[e-users] need for gconf*, {g}dbus, gvfsd-*

[Christopher Barry]

Greetings,

I do not use GNOME at all. Is there a reason I need to have any of the
subjects items on my system (and running) to run enlightenment?

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Re: [e-users] make uninstall

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:24:27 +0100
Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu wrote:

Thank you, John, Massimo, Dustin.

I did not know  make uninstall.

snip...

One thing to note about uninstall in a makefile, is that it's typically
designed to uninstall the same version it's also installing. Thus if
file names change, or are removed from the current source, they can
still be missed by the makefile in the uninstall process.

Since removal of previous versions appears to be fairly critical to a
successful install of e from source, it might make sense to have the
uninstall script probe for and verify the installed e version (and also
allow the version as a param) and use a manifest file of the form
e-manifest-version (or whatever) that lists all of the locations and
files that get installed for that version. This manifest would be
generated by the install target.

Mind you, I've not looked at the {un}install targets, so it's possible
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Re: [e-users] Default theme modified

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On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 01:37:34 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

On Fri, 16 Jan 2015 13:30:58 +0100 Quelrond quelr...@gmail.com said:

 I don't ask the look of Ubuntu/Mac OSX!!!
 The E19 theme looks nice, but I prefer to have windows buttons on
 the left side.
 I ask just the possibility to move the windows buttons on the left.

i chose not to put resize handles on the sides due to aesthetic
reasons and space saving reasons. one reason i've never seen why you'd
need them on the sides... you do have alt+middle mouse (drag and
release) to resize... anywhere in a window. that largely removes the
need for such handles.

Sweet! I had no idea that was available. Awesome :)

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Re: [e-users] Program's icons on pager

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On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 09:43:40 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 04:07:10 +0400 binary smile
binary.sm...@gmail.com said:

 Hello!
 
 Some days ago, I update E from 0.17.6 to 0.19.99.19234.
 It is cool, but early, pager show only icons of programs, now they
 show preview of programs.
 This is usefulness (I have 9 virtal desktops on 132pixels shelf and
 worst intel graphics...)
 
 Do you can say, how I can turn on show icons?

not there - gone. no icons. pager shows an actual desktop preview.
there is the old pager plain module minus previews - that'll go
eventually.


It's still an icon...just a dynamic one.

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Re: [e-users] how to add a specific iBar to a shelf ?

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On Mon, 15 Dec 2014 12:56:41 +0100
Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu wrote:

I know how to create and edit a new specialized iBar.
But I do not success to add this specialised iBar to a shelf.

When I try Contents of a shelf, I can add an iBar but I have no
choice of which one is used.

Thank you for help.

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after adding ibar, right-click the ibar to access the context menu -
Ibar - Settings - Select source.

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Re: [e-users] Region screenshot tool

[Christopher Barry]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:00:48 +0100
Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no wrote:

On 09/12/14 05:01, David Seikel wrote:
 we could dd cropping to the screenshot module, but that feature
 isn't there right now. the alternative is to save to file, crop
 using gimp or something then share that image via imgur or other
 means...

 If you are going to crop, or otherwise post process the screen shot,
 using GIMP, just use GIMP to take the region / screen shot.  Saves a
 step.  No idea if GIMP can handle 4K screens, I don't have one.  GIMP
 can be scripted, but I've not tried, so no idea if this is a suitable
 task for GIMP scripting.  Though sure, if all you want is a quick
 screen grab and post to the web, GIMP might be overkill.


Sorry, having to open gimp to take a screenshot before uploading it is 
just not worth it, at all.

I ended up with this shell script, and it works fairly well;
https://github.com/jomo/imgur-screenshot

I do however get this error whenever I use it;
http://i.imgur.com/mGndeQj.png

Can that error be removed through some action of mine,
or is it just a plain old bug?


Morten,

I don't use imgur personally, but I use blender a lot, and paste there
whenever I need help on the irc channel, and the preferred pasting site
is: http://www.pasteall.org/ (if you were so inclined to add that
destination :)


I will say your bash coding style is very refreshing. I'm a bit of a
bash hacker myself, and I abhor the overuse of capitals in so much
bash. since you use git, you might find this theme-able git dashboard
prompt useful: https://github.com/christopher-barry/bash-color-tools

accepting new prompt themes if you're so inclined... :)

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Re: [e-users] Changing cursor size

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On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 22:53:27 +
Peter Flynn pe...@silmaril.ie wrote:

On 11/18/2014 09:25 PM, Peter Flynn wrote:
 How do I change the size of the arrow cursor in e17?

Has anyone any suggestions here? I cannot get the change to a larger 
size to work.

///Peter


I *think* this may be a theme function, and you may need to hack the
theme you're using. (but don't hold me to that...). Just thought I
should answer, since no one else is.

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Re: [e-users] Problem compiling `python-efl` on `Ubuntu PPA`.

[Christopher Barry]

On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:14:13 -0200
Martinx - ジェームズ thiagocmarti...@gmail.com wrote:

Just fro the record, here is `python-efl` package compiling (snipped)
on my machine:

---
user@ubunut-desk-1:~/e19/python-efl/python-efl-1.11.0$ make -f
debian/rules build
dh build --with python2 --buildsystem=python_distutils
   dh_testdir -O--buildsystem=python_distutils
   dh_auto_configure -O--buildsystem=python_distutils
   dh_auto_build -O--buildsystem=python_distutils
pyversions: missing X(S)-Python-Version in control file, fall back to
debian/pyversions
pyversions: missing debian/pyversions file, fall back to supported
versions Checking for Eina: OK, found 1.12.0
Checking for Eo: OK, found 1.12.0
Checking for Evas: OK, found 1.12.0
Checking for Ecore: OK, found 1.12.0
Checking for EcoreFile: OK, found 1.12.0
Checking for EcoreInput: OK, found 1.12.0
Checking for EcoreX: OK, found 1.12.0
Checking for Ethumb: OK, found 1.12.0
Checking for Ethumb_Client: OK, found 1.12.0
Checking for Edje: OK, found 1.12.0
Checking for Emotion: OK, found 1.12.0
Checking for DBus: OK, found 1.2.0
Checking for Elementary: OK, found 1.12.0
---

I don't undersatdn why it doens't compiles on Launchpad...:-(

I really appreciate any help!

Thanks!
Thiago

On 13 November 2014 18:05, Martinx - ジェームズ
thiagocmarti...@gmail.com wrote:
 Guys,

 I'm trying to compile my package of `python-elf` and, it builds okay
 on my machine but, at the Launchpad, it fails...

 Here is the log:

 https://launchpadlibrarian.net/190303590/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.python-efl_1.11.0-0utopic1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz

 Log:

 ---
 pyversions: missing debian/pyversions file, fall back to supported
 versions Checking for Eina: OK, found 1.12.0
 Checking for Eo: OK, found 1.12.0
 Checking for Evas: OK, found 1.12.0
 Checking for Ecore: OK, found 1.12.0
 Checking for EcoreFile: OK, found 1.12.0
 Checking for EcoreInput: OK, found 1.12.0
 Checking for EcoreX: OK, found 1.12.0
 Checking for Ethumb: Ethumb version mismatch. Found: 1.12.0  Needed:
 1.11.0 dh_auto_build: python setup.py build --force returned exit
 code 1 debian/rules:7: recipe for target 'build-arch' failed
 make: *** [build-arch] Error 1
 dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build-arch gave error exit
 status 2 ---

 Nevertheless, as I said, I have it compiled and installed on my own
 machine:

 --
 python-efl_1.11.0-0utopic0_amd64.deb
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 Of course, I'm using the very same Ubuntu PPA on my machine, to
 locally build and upload it to Launchpad...

 Any tips?!

 Thanks in advance!

 Best,
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Maybe this will help?
http://www.manpager.com/linux/man1/pyversions.1.html
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Re: [e-users] Updating from e17 to e19 under Xubuntu 14.04

[Christopher Barry]

On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 22:30:56 +
Peter Flynn pe...@silmaril.ie wrote:

On 11/07/2014 11:59 AM, Alex-P. Natsios wrote:
 1. Should I log out of e17 and get into an Xubuntu session before
 doing this? (the page only addresses the case of non-e17 users)

 Shouldn't really matter but feel free to do it if you feel safer
 that way.

I did anyway.

 2. Should I uninstall e17 first anyway? Or will e19 pick up or
 import my e17 settings?
 No, the config changed a couple times from then, e19 will not accept
 your current settings and most likely trash them.
 Either back them up in case you want to return to e17 (for whatever
 reasons) or forget them :)

It failed spectacularly. Adding the repos and doing an update is fine.
But trying to install bodhi-desktop (aka e19) as they suggest results
in:

 Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
 requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
 distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
 or been moved out of Incoming.
 The following information may help to resolve the situation:
 
 The following packages have unmet dependencies.
  bodhi-desktop : Depends: e19 but it is not going to be installed or
   enlightenment
  Depends: bodhi-profile-e19 or
   bodhi-profile-e17 but it is not
 installable Depends: packagekit but it is not going to be installed
 E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages

Attempting to install the regular e19 package alone (from the bodhi
repo, and using -s so as not to damage things) I get this:

 The following extra packages will be installed:
   efl elementary libbulletcollision2.81 libbulletdynamics2.81
   libbulletsoftbody2.81 liblinearmath2.81 libluajit-5.1-2
 libluajit-5.1-common The following packages will be REMOVED
   e17 e17-dbg e17-dev
 The following NEW packages will be installed
   e19 efl elementary libbulletcollision2.81 libbulletdynamics2.81
   libbulletsoftbody2.81 liblinearmath2.81 libluajit-5.1-2
 libluajit-5.1-common 0 to upgrade, 9 to newly install, 3 to remove
 and 44 not to upgrade. Remv e17-dev [0.17.3-3]
 Remv e17-dbg [0.17.3-3]
 Remv e17 [0.17.3-3]

Trying it for real on a sacrificial machine failed to install efl, and
the rest of the stuff scrolled up in my window and off the top too fast
to catch it.

So using bodhi-desktop to get e19 on Xubuntu Trusty does NOT work,
alas.

 No idea i don't use econnman, better wait for someone that does.

Thank you.

 Who edits the page quoted above? There are a few typos that I could
 send along.
 Idem ditto.

Under separate cover.

///Peter



you likely did already, but if not, have you tried:

apt-get --fix-missing install (no pkg list)

to have it try to correct the issue?


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Re: [e-users] Issue with monitor after updating EFL

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On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 22:12:09 +0200
Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no wrote:

Hello!

I recently built new RPMs of EFL and friends (the alpha releases) and 
installed them on my desktop computer. I also rebuilt enlightenment
and terminology.

Things seem relatively OK, except for a couple issues.
One I reported already, and is to do with the IME of mozc - Though I
do not know if that is caused by E or not.

The other one, has happened to me now twice in two days;

I leave my computer running, but switch the three monitors off.
One monitor is a 4K screen, the other two are 1080p

When I switch my screens back on, the 4K monitor is no longer part of
my screen. The only way I've been able to solve it is to log out of E, 
restart X and then change the primary display to the 4K monitor and 
finally restart E to get my desktops back the correct way.

Is this something that makes sense to anyone? Got any suggestions?


I use three monitors. I do it with the two DVI interfaces on the card,
plus I use an 'active' DisplayPort to DVI dongle on the card's DP. It's
a Radeon 7850 incidentally. I use an xrandr script to setup the
monitors in the lxdm configuration for lxdm, and again
from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/. The DP monitor is primary, and is the center
screen.

Fairly recently - I'd say a month or so ago - usually my monitor on the
dongle, but not always - will not come back on after physically
shutting them down. And, it's inconsistent on how/when it happens. It
has happened overnight when the monitor is still on too.

For me, if I disconnect the USB power interface to the active dongle,
wait a minute, then plug it back in, it'll 'jiggle the handle' and come
back on about 80% of the time. If that fails, and always for the other
monitors when they do it, I need to reboot to fix it (restarting a
bunch of shit would probably do it to). I tried blanking, but that
didn't help. I now simply turn off blanking, and never shut off the
monitors. Yeah it wastes juice, but it's better than waking up in the
morning, and not being able to access my desktop (I never shut my box
off).

I use lightdm as a starting login screen, and if I leave it there
without logging in for a while, the DP always goes down. So, I don't
think this (mine anyway) issue is happening in enlightenment actually,
but something much lower down. There's a lot of hoops being jumped
through between the physical card and e...

Maybe our issues are related somehow?

I'm running Debian jessie@sid, but on the packaged e17.6.


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Re: [e-users] Battery Monitor Gadget

[Christopher Barry]

On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:07:24 -0400
Yomi Ogunwumi abyo...@gmail.com wrote:

Yesterday, I decided it would be a better idea to have my laptop
suspend when it reached 10% battery power; rather than have it shutoff
without too much warning. Once the battery reached 10% it suspended,
but then I couldn't figure how to wake it up again, even after
plugging in the charger or closing and opening the lid.

Usually when I manually suspend, I just open the lid and I'm greeted
with E's lock screen.

So, how do I wake up my laptop when I have E suspend it once the
battery reaches a certain percentage?

Yomi

have you tried to press/release the power button quickly?


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Re: [e-users] Using E without a Display Manager

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On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:16:59 -0400
Yomi Ogunwumi abyo...@gmail.com wrote:

Ah. What will happen if I hit a segfault in Enlightenment if I'm not
using a display manager? Will everything recover as it normally does?

Yomi

Yomi,

It could hang or crash back to the console. dunno.

I'm thinking you could always have it pause at the console and ask to
proceed with starting enlightenment to the locked state or not (with a
timeout to proceed) with a simple shell wrapper auto-launched
from /etc/rc.local. You're then able recover from a failed e start.

You'd need to insure the appropriate user is running enlightenment, for
which you could either hack sudo or su into the wrapper (if you wanted
to allow multiple users), or setuid the wrapper script rc.local runs,
so it always only runs as a single user.


Here's a quick script to try. Copy between the [*-snip] markers below,
and save in /usr/bin/start-e (do this as root, and then make it
executable: chmod 700 /usr/bin/start-e ).

Call the script from /etc/rc.local as the last command before 'exit 0'
in that file, as in:
...
/usr/bin/start-e
exit 0

I have not run this as my actual start script, but it
behaves as expected when run as is in a terminal.

You'll need to uncomment the actual command in the script to have it
work for real. See comments in script.

...[start-snip]... (watch for email line-wrapping...)

#!/bin/bash
# wrapper to start enlightenment from /etc/rc.local
# to avoid the necessity of a display manager.
# basically, root needs to run this @ startup

function start_e() {

# initialize
local ex=
local ans=
local valid=
local euser=

# adjust below vars as desired
local bail_seconds=3
local bailp=press any alphanumeric key to exit to console: 
local user_timeout=60
local userp=enter user name: 
# add default login username if desired
local default_user=

[[ $(id -u) == 0 ]] || { echo you must be root to run this.
return 1
}

ex=$(read -r -N 1 -t ${bail_seconds} -p ${bailp} ex; echo ${ex})
[[ ${ex} =~ [[:alnum:]] ]]  {
echo
return 1
} || {
echo
}

until [[ ${valid} ]]; do
read -r -t ${user_timeout} -p ${userp}  ans
[[ $(grep -w ^${ans:-${default_user}} /etc/passwd) ]]  {
valid=1
euser=${ans:-${default_user}}
} || {
echo invalid user name. try again.
}
done

# remove or comment out if you really want to run as root
[[ ${euser} == root ]]  {
echo nice try. bye bye.
return 1
}

# remove 'echo' and quotes from command to enable
[[ ${euser} ]]  {
echo su - ${euser} /usr/bin/enlightenment_start
} || {
return 1
}

}

# run it
start_e


.[end-snip].


Anyway, that's my hack for you. No guarantees this wont kill your dog,
make your wife pregnant, or get you fired... Use at own risk.

If you have improvements, or find a bug, let me know. For instance, not
sure if rc.local is best to launch it (will it be interactive
correctly?).

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Re: [e-users] E19 and multiple Xrandr outputs

[Christopher Barry]

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 15:14:20 +0200
Tassilo Horn t...@gnu.org wrote:

Hi,

I have some questions concerning E19 with multiple outputs (in Xrandr
parlance), i.e., I have my laptop LCD and an external LCD attached.

1. How can I configure my shelve so that it is always displayed on the
   primary output?  Whenever I use an external monitor, that's should
 be the primary one and I'd prefer if the shelve was shown there
 instead of the secondary output (the laptop LCD).

2. How can I move a window from one output to the other?  I've tried
the
   To Next Screen/To Previous Screen actions in the Window:
 Moving category of the Key Bindings but that doesn't work.  I guess
 that's probably for real X screens which nowadays nobody uses
 anymore...

3. Is there some Xrandr config tool for enlightenment?  The Screen
setup
   settings don't work too well for me.  Especially, I frequently have
   to do presentations, and then a quick mirror outputs in the best
   solution that's doable by the projector and my laptop LCD knob
 would be nice.

Thanks in advance,
Tassilo


arandr is pretty nice. it will allow you to setup the screens, then you
can save this to an xrandr script that will put it back that way.

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Re: [e-users] E19 and multiple Xrandr outputs

[Christopher Barry]

On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 20:39:33 +0200
Tassilo Horn t...@gnu.org wrote:

Christopher Barry christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com writes:

Hi Christopher,

3. Is there some Xrandr config tool for enlightenment?  The Screen
setup settings don't work too well for me.  Especially, I frequently
have to do presentations, and then a quick mirror outputs in the
best solution that's doable by the projector and my laptop LCD knob
would be nice.

 arandr is pretty nice. it will allow you to setup the screens, then
 you can save this to an xrandr script that will put it back that way.

Yeah, I've installed it for a test drive and it's ok.  On the other
hand, writing a simple do-what-I-mean shell script is probably even
better (and so I did).

Bye,
Tassilo


hehe - isn't it always?

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[e-users] push window to a different screen?

[Christopher Barry]

Greets,


I have 3 monitors set up, and are working great. I use blender with 3
windows open on a single file, one full screen on each screen, and that
too is awesome for working.

My question is, when I first start blender, it pops all 3 windows open
over each other on my primary monitor. I'd like to hotkey it so I can
say ctl-alt-1 to push one on my left monitor, and ctl-alt-3 to push
another onto my right monitor.

I configured: settings-settings panel-input-key\
bindings-window:moving-to {previous,next} screen to these hotkeys,
which appear as CTL+ALT+KP_END, and CTL+ALT+KP_NEXT respectively, but
they produce no observable effect.

Any ideas? What am I doing wrong?

running 0.17.6 on debian jessie @sid

Thanks,
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Re: [e-users] push window to a different screen?

[Christopher Barry]

 Greets,


 I have 3 monitors set up, and are working great. I use blender with 3
 windows open on a single file, one full screen on each screen, and
 that too is awesome for working.

 My question is, when I first start blender, it pops all 3 windows
 open over each other on my primary monitor. I'd like to hotkey it so
 I can say ctl-alt-1 to push one on my left monitor, and ctl-alt-3 to
 push another onto my right monitor.

 I configured: settings-settings panel-input-key\
 bindings-window:moving-to {previous,next} screen to these hotkeys,
 which appear as CTL+ALT+KP_END, and CTL+ALT+KP_NEXT respectively, but
 they produce no observable effect.

 Any ideas? What am I doing wrong?

 running 0.17.6 on debian jessie @sid

 Thanks,
 -C



On Sat, 20 Sep 2014 21:47:24 +0200
David Myers david.myers.24...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi.

I've previously used the xev tool to find the full key code of a key,
so as to attach a keyboard shortcut to a key on my eeepc.

Right now I'm not in front of my eeepc, but o remember it was very
easy to create a custom script to get the functionality I was looking
for.

I'll hunt down the info for you on Monday (rather got my hands full
for the weekend), if you are still looking for a solution and want
more details.

David.
 On 20 Sep 2014 21:33, Christopher Barry
 christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com
wrote:


Hi David,

Enlightenment seems to understand that I've pressed the keys OK, it's
just that assigning these to the options 'to next screen' and 'to
previous screen' do not do anything. I've tried other key combos as
well with the same result. It's like the functions were not actually
implemented or something. Probably not used that often, and maybe they
got broken at some point, but went unnoticed. dunno.

But if you think you can use your method and make these window
moving functions work on Monday, then I would be most grateful.

Thanks for the reply.


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Re: [e-users] Phabricator

[Christopher Barry]

On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 20:44:23 -0500
Larry Wyble llwy...@suddenlink.net wrote:

On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 10:36:35 +0930
Simon si...@simotek.net wrote:

 On 09/06/2014 04:17 AM, Larry Wyble wrote:
 
  I read the following in the Phabricator:
 
  after all, your desktop configurator tool can translate .png
  or .jpg images to .edj for you to use them as backgrounds.
 
 
  Where is this magical tool? I've been building my own .edj files
  for this purpose. Not that it's that hard but it would be nice to
  know where these types of things are instead of just reading that
  they exist somewhere.
 
  BTW I'm using E19. If that makes any difference.
 
  Thanks
 
 
 The wallpaper dialog will do this if you select a image

Nope tried it, comes back at ya' with unable to import image, are you
sure this is a valid image?  Tried .png and .jpg both. Doesn't work,of
course as I mentioned I'm using E19 so it could be that, I don't know.
Doesn't matter that much I guess, at 65 I am now learning edje.  :)
I think if I sit at this computer much longer the ol' gal is gonna run
me off though.  lol

Wow, Larry! 65 and running e! You must be one of the hippest geezers in
the World! :) Good show!


I found the edje data collection reference and I'm getting a pretty
good idea about how this is supposed to work, I'm just trying to figure
out how to put the parts together. I'm having a hell of a time figuring
out the group and part naming system though,  It says The name that
will be used by the application to load the resulting Edje object and
to identify the group to swallow in a GROUP part. I don't get what
they're saying here. My cypherin' box (brain) ain't what it used to
be.  Lol

What did that cypherin' box do before retirement? Seems like a pretty
amazing and non-conventional one. ;)


Anyway Some day I will get a theme written and the world will be a
better place.   Lol

Thanks for answering my question though.



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Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Blog about EO

[Christopher Barry]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 11:37:32 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

On Sat, 16 Aug 2014 22:02:09 -0300 Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira
vini.ipsma...@gmail.com said:

 2014-08-16 2:36 GMT-03:00 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com:
 
 
  https://phab.enlightenment.org/phame/live/1//post/yet_another_c_object_model_but_better/
 
 
 I want to comment over there, but it requires facebook login. Is this
 authentication method the only supported on the Enlightenment blog?

yup. thats what phab does. phabricator is what we use for our dev site
and it's written by a bunch of ex facebook guys. thus fb is what it
supports.


that's odd. blender uses phab as well, and I have a regular local user
account and password there. special code they've added maybe?

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[e-users] compile question

[Christopher Barry]

Greetings, 

I have been running terminology for a couple months in e17.3
on a debian box. I just did a dist-upgrade to fix a graphics card
driver issue and terminology broke. E is now 17.6. I pulled
terminology master from git, and tried to rebuild it, but it fails with
the following output:


First running configure:


  ./configure --prefix=/usr
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for a thread-safe mkdir -p... /bin/mkdir -p
checking for gawk... gawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking whether make supports nested variables... yes
checking whether make supports nested variables... (cached) yes
checking for style of include used by make... GNU
checking for gcc... gcc
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking for C compiler default output file name... a.out
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... none needed
checking whether gcc understands -c and -o together... yes
checking dependency style of gcc... gcc3
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for grep that handles long lines and -e... /bin/grep
checking for egrep... /bin/grep -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for sys/types.h... yes
checking for sys/stat.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for memory.h... yes
checking for strings.h... yes
checking for inttypes.h... yes
checking for stdint.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking minix/config.h usability... no
checking minix/config.h presence... no
checking for minix/config.h... no
checking whether it is safe to define __EXTENSIONS__... yes
checking for gcc... (cached) gcc
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... (cached) yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... (cached) yes
checking for gcc option to accept ISO C89... (cached) none needed
checking whether gcc understands -c and -o together... (cached) yes
checking dependency style of gcc... (cached) gcc3
checking for __attribute__... yes
checking whether NLS is requested... yes
checking for msgfmt... /usr/bin/msgfmt
checking for gmsgfmt... /usr/bin/msgfmt
checking for xgettext... /usr/bin/xgettext
checking for msgmerge... /usr/bin/msgmerge
checking build system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
checking host system type... x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu
checking for ld used by GCC... /usr/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes
checking for shared library run path origin... done
checking for CFPreferencesCopyAppValue... no
checking for CFLocaleCopyCurrent... no
checking for GNU gettext in libc... yes
checking whether to use NLS... yes
checking where the gettext function comes from... libc
checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
checking pkg-config is at least version 0.9.0... yes
checking for TERMINOLOGY... yes
checking for ELDBUS... yes
checking for mkstemps... yes
configure: edje_cc set to /usr/bin/edje_cc
checking that generated files are newer than configure... done
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating terminology.spec
config.status: creating pkgbuild/PKGBUILD
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating src/Makefile
config.status: creating src/bin/Makefile
config.status: creating data/Makefile
config.status: creating data/desktop/Makefile
config.status: creating data/icons/Makefile
config.status: creating data/backgrounds/Makefile
config.status: creating data/images/Makefile
config.status: creating data/fonts/Makefile
config.status: creating data/themes/Makefile
config.status: creating data/themes/images/Makefile
config.status: creating data/themes/sounds/Makefile
config.status: creating data/themes/nyanology/Makefile
config.status: creating data/themes/nyanology/images/Makefile
config.status: creating data/themes/nyanology/images-sources/Makefile
config.status: creating man/Makefile
config.status: creating po/Makefile.in
config.status: creating terminology_config.h
config.status: terminology_config.h is unchanged
config.status: executing depfiles commands
config.status: executing po-directories commands
config.status: creating po/POTFILES
config.status: creating po/Makefile




terminology 0.6.99


Compilation: make (or gmake)
  CPPFLAGS.: 
  CFLAGS...: -g -O2
  LDFLAGS..: 

Installation...: make install (as root if needed, with 'su'
or 'sudo') 

Re: [e-users] [E-devel] E causing problems with ArchLinux kernel 3.15.8-1-ARCH and possible vbox

[Christopher Barry]

On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 07:53:09 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 17:57:05 -0300 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@gmail.com said:

 update, this is caused by efl/src/lib/ecore_x/xlib/ecore_x_vsync.c
 #define ECORE_X_VSYNC_DRM 1. If you remove that line (or #undef the
 sym), it works, now to find out the actual call that triggers it to
 produce a test case for them...

aaah shit. the code is really simple - it really does one of 4 things.
open /dev/dri/card0, call a drm lib call to schedule a new vsync
event, and then select to listen on the drm fd with a timeout and then
use drm call to read the fd for the event info. one of those would
do it. given that, i would imagine it's the schedule of a new vsync
interrupt one.

is there a nice simple way to know you have a vbox virtual driver in
the kernel and are a guest? i can put in something to veto it (eg
something in /proc or /sys - some file that exists only inside vbox if
the guest driver is there - i can put in a simple stat for it and
avoid if there)?


If I'm not mistaken, /proc/cpuinfo string output should say something
to the effect that's it's a vbox, but I don't have one to check to
know for sure... kvm vms say bochs as the vendor_id or model name
(IIRC).

-C

 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 barbi...@gmail.com wrote:
  sorry for the noise, this has nothing to do with Enlightenment or
  new vsync. I've disabled it and still happens, we're just
  triggering a bug in drm.
 
  if you suffer from this problem just remove
  virtualbox-guest-modules and you'll fallback to fbdev without
  problems (just setting X to use fbdev does not help, you need to
  remove vboxvideo.ko so it's never loaded).
 
  On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
  barbi...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  Just a heads up that recent Enlightenment (GIT) is causing
  problems with ArchLinux vanilla kernel (3.15.8-1-ARCH), at least
  running inside VirtualBox 4.3.14.
 
  I'm trying to isolate the problem to report that to kernel guys
  since a Kernel Oops is always a kernel bug, until then watch out
  if you want to update and run similar setup.
 
  The relevant dmesg part is:
 
  [7.142526] BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer
  dereference at (null) [7.142532] IP: [  (null)]   (null)
  [7.142534] *pde = 
  [7.142536] Oops:  [#1] PREEMPT SMP
  [7.142539] Modules linked in: ext4 crc16 mbcache jbd2 ppdev
  snd_intel8x0 snd_ac97_codec intel_rapl microcode ac97_bus pcspkr
  snd_pcm psmouse serio_raw snd_timer i2c_piix4 joydev mousedev snd
  soundcore mac_hid e1000 parport_pc parport floppy(+) ac battery
  intel_agp intel_gtt button evdev vboxvideo(O) drm agpgart i2c_core
  vboxsf(O) vboxguest(O) hid_generic usbhid hid crc32c_generic
  btrfs xor raid6_pq sd_mod crc_t10dif crct10dif_common atkbd
  libps2 ohci_pci ohci_hcd ehci_pci ehci_hcd ahci libahci libata
  scsi_mod usbcore usb_common i8042 serio
  [7.142562] CPU: 0 PID: 254 Comm: enlightenment Tainted: G
   O  3.15.8-1-ARCH #1
  [7.142564] Hardware name: innotek GmbH VirtualBox/VirtualBox,
  BIOS VirtualBox 12/01/2006
  [7.142566] task: f39fd2c0 ti: f3a58000 task.ti: f3a58000
  [7.142568] EIP: 0060:[] EFLAGS: 00210046 CPU: 0
  [7.142570] EIP is at 0x0
  [7.142572] EAX: f5228400 EBX: f5228400 ECX: f8b7d140 EDX:
   [7.142573] ESI: f9fdb560 EDI:  EBP: f3a59de4
  ESP: f3a59d90 [7.142574]  DS: 007b ES: 007b FS: 00d8 GS: 00e0
  SS: 0068 [7.142576] CR0: 80050033 CR2:  CR3: 33a5c000
  CR4: 06d0 [7.142581] Stack:
  [7.142583]  f9fda8c2 f53a1d90 f5228400 f5228438 f5121cc0
   f539f9c0 f3a59db4
  [7.142586]  f9fdd1e0 00200046 f52284e8 f52284ea 00200246
    f5b75024
  [7.142589]  f539f9c0 c29a0d46 f5228400 f9fdb560 0401
  f3a59e44 f9fdb5d8 f57cf948
  [7.142592] Call Trace:
  [7.142601]  [f9fda8c2] ? drm_vblank_get+0xd2/0x240 [drm]
  [7.142607]  [f9fdd1e0] ? drm_minor_release+0x10/0x20 [drm]
  [7.142613]  [f9fdb560] ? drm_modeset_ctl+0x70/0x70 [drm]
  [7.142617]  [f9fdb5d8] drm_wait_vblank+0x78/0x5e0 [drm]
  [7.142622]  [c12320e0] ? lockref_put_or_lock+0x20/0x40
  [7.142625]  [c11835f6] ? mntput_no_expire+0x26/0x160
  [7.142629]  [f9fdb560] ? drm_modeset_ctl+0x70/0x70 [drm]
  [7.142633]  [f9fd7585] drm_ioctl+0x1f5/0x560 [drm]
  [7.142637]  [f9fdb560] ? drm_modeset_ctl+0x70/0x70 [drm]
  [7.142641]  [c1175d2d] ? do_filp_open+0x3d/0xa0
  [7.142645]  [f9fd7390] ? drm_copy_field+0x70/0x70 [drm]
  [7.142648]  [c11782c2] do_vfs_ioctl+0x302/0x4f0
  [7.142651]  [c11713bd] ? final_putname+0x1d/0x40
  [7.142653]  [c11713bd] ? final_putname+0x1d/0x40
  [7.142656]  [c10ad8f0] ? ktime_get_ts+0x40/0x140
  [7.142658]  [c1181547] ? __fget+0x57/0x90
  [7.142661]  [c1178530] SyS_ioctl+0x80/0x90
  [7.142665]  [c14575e3] sysenter_do_call+0x12/0x12
  

Re: [e-users] Emotion Media Center 1.0 first beta is out

[Christopher Barry]

On Fri, 1 Aug 2014 11:55:17 +0200
Davide Andreoli d...@gurumeditation.it wrote:

Hi all,

the first beta release of EpyMC is waiting for you !!

This is the result of many years of development, I hope you will enjoy
the result as I enjoined the development.

The code is hosted at Github:
https://github.com/DaveMDS/epymc

Direct download link for this release:
https://github.com/DaveMDS/epymc/archive/v1.0.0-beta1.tar.gz

On the Github wiki you will find all the needed instructions for
installing and using the media center, along with screenshots and
screencasts.

I'm planning to roll out the final 1.0 release in 7/10 days, please
let me know of any issue you encounter with this first release.

Happy testing
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[e-users] OpenGL: Was: Re: How to make enlightenment more battery friendly?

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On Thu, 31 Jul 2014 00:54:05 +0800
P Purkayastha ppu...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com
wrote:
 On Wednesday 30 Jul 2014 01:37:13 P Purkayastha wrote:
 Installed versions:  10.0.4(12:16:49 AM 04/11/2014)(classic egl
 gallium nptl xvmc -bindist -debug -gbm -gles1 -gles2 -llvm
 -llvm-shared-libs -opencl -openvg -osmesa -pax_kernel -pic
 -r600-llvm-compiler -selinux -vdpau -wayland -xa ABI_MIPS=-n32 -n64
 -o32 ABI_X86=64 -32 -x32 KERNEL=-FreeBSD VIDEO_CARDS=intel
 -freedreno -i915 -i965 -ilo -nouveau -r100 -r200 -r300 -r600 -radeon
 -radeonsi -vmware)

 Shouldn't you have i965 also set in VIDEO_CARDS?

Excellent! Thank you! This fixes the problems I have been having on my
system. It is really very weird why intel is present as is. There
should have been something more descriptive put in its place.

Hardware acceleration, glx, accelerated video, e17 had all been
working fine till now so I never suspected my VIDEO_CARDS setting. I
don't play games, otherwise I might have noticed this anomaly earlier.

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Hi,

I have a radeon hd 7850 card, and keep getting errors about OpenGL if
I try to select it in the e settings, and am forced to use the software
setting as opposed to the opengl setting.

The software setting seems to work fairly well, but I'm wondering if
I'm not really using the hardware of my card correctly. I use blender a
lot, and it does lag quite a bit with hi-poly meshes.

I use the opensource radeon driver. Could this be a similar issue? If
so, how did you change the VIDEO_CARDS setting, and more importantly,
what the hell should I look for and what should I try?

Is this setting a configure parameter, and will I need to compile e
from source? I'm using the enlightenment package from sid now.


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Re: [e-users] error message: unable to fork process

[Christopher Barry]

On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 20:00:28 -0400
Conrad Hill-Knight iestynap...@gmail.com wrote:

I just had an error message pop up in a window in Enlightenment that
i've never seen before. This occurred when I selected a program from
the applications menu (normal left-click on desktop). The text of the
message is: Enlightenment is unable to fork a child process:
speedcrunch. (Speedcrunch is the name of the calculator program i was
trying top run.)

I was able to run the program manually from a terminal window, and it
opened a window as usual, complete with E's normal decorations. Then I
tried it again from the menu, but got the same error message. In fact,
any program i try to start from the menu gives a similar error. E's
various dialogs open fine (e.g. settings), but external programs
don't.

I'm running E 0.18.8... Any idea what caused this? And, more
importantly, how to fix it

Thanks!


could this be something silly like maybe the $PATH is somehow borked?

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[e-users] Debugging

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Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:19:17 -0400
From: Christopher Barry christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com
To: Yomi Ogunwumi abyo...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [e-users] Debugging


On Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:27:10 -0400
Yomi Ogunwumi abyo...@gmail.com wrote:

Moving from phab to the mailing list...

Wednesday, June 4th — 9.57am

I think Finding memory problems with valgrind in Debugging needs to be
rewritten.

Yesterday I was using it to attempt to provide useful information for
T1315 and T1277. I followed it, but when it gets to launching another
X Server and starting enlightenment, everything started to fall apart.
The X Server starts, but trying to run E on it failed for me, all I
got was a black screen and a cursor.

* You don't need to run valgrind separately.
* It never covers the options of `enlightenment` or
`enlightenment_start`.
* Assumes that the reader/user is looking for memory problems by
default.

I'd make the (limited) changes myself, but I want to know if anyone
else had anything to say. I don't know what else I'd add, as I'm not
really well versed with debugging.

Also, does anyone know how to kill an X Server started with sudo X
-ac :1 ? htop doesn't seem to help.

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$ sudo pkill -f X -ac :1

that should find the correct x instance.

$ sudo pkill -n X

may also work, but ymmv.

On Debian-based systems, pkill and pgrep are found in the 'procps'
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Re: [e-users] engage

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On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 16:36:39 +0300
Alex-P. Natsios apnats...@gmail.com wrote:

https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=ischq=engagetbs=imgo:1#q=engage+e17tbm=ischtbs=imgo:1imgdii=_

There you go, a whole assortment of them :)


While resurrecting engage would be cool, I agree with someone earlier
who thought putting that effort into extending the iBar with
additional engage-like functionality might bear more fruit.
If that's even possible of course...

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[e-users] speaking of themes...

[Christopher Barry]

Now THIS is a very slick theme (IMO)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Ds86SgX4Lvg/UJRRQn0HznI/OFg/crWR_3hbwC4/s1600/Screenshot-5.png

it was called A-Black-Nostrum, but it appears to not exist anymore (at
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Re: [e-users] speaking of themes...

[Christopher Barry]

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:38:59 +0200
Tomas Cech tc...@suse.cz wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:18:22AM -0400, Christopher Barry wrote:

Now THIS is a very slick theme (IMO)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Ds86SgX4Lvg/UJRRQn0HznI/OFg/crWR_3hbwC4/s1600/Screenshot-5.png

it was called A-Black-Nostrum, but it appears to not exist anymore (at
least looking like this...)

Not my cup of tea, but It was packaged for openSUSE, for E17.
Repository with E17 seems to be broken but you can still get sources:

https://build.opensuse.org/source/X11:Enlightenment:E17:Factory/e-theme-a-os-black-nostrum/A-OS-Black-Nostrum.tar.bz2

HTH,

Sleep_Walker

Thanks!

I did find this too, which is derived from it:
http://e17-stuff.org/content/show.php/+E18_HYBRYDE_Black_Naustrus?content=164743


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Re: [e-users] Terminology and SCIM

[Christopher Barry]

On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 12:08:29 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 22:59:41 -0400 Christopher Barry
christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com said:

 On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:11:51 +0900
 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
 
 On Thu, 12 Jun 2014 03:57:37 +0200 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no
 said:
 
  On 12/06/14 03:33, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
   where is the stuff looking for libGL? (-lGL) ? like:
  
   configure:36487: checking for glXCreateContext in -lGL
   ...
   configure:36521: result: yes
  
   it looks like it has failed looking for libGL (desktop gl) at
   all and is now falling back to try gles/egl instead.
  
  Something seems a little off with libGL, for sure:
  
  http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-5399080a39fe78.52728231.jpg
  
  I suspect that is the nvidia installers fault.. libGL.so.1.2.0 is
  part of the installed package mesa-libGL but it has apparently
  gone missing.
  
  I see the same thing with libEGL.so.. it points to
  libEGL.so.1.0.0, which is also missing.
 
 well i guess you have a broken system to fix up. i dont use nvidia's
 installer
 - pretty much never. packages in ubuntu handled that before and arch
 handles it for me... maybe use your distro packages?
 
 
 Those would be symlinks that are missing I think... They'll need to
 point to the correct lib version. Could /etc/alternatives be involved
 at all?

dunno. i stopped using ubuntu and deb things a while back. things for
me just work. you will have to ask whoever supports your distro as
to how things broke... :)



replying to the list this time...

My guess is that the things were not packages, hence the partial
setup, but I could be wrong. Debian is actually fantastic if you use
packages. If you install a lot of stuff from random installers or your
own compiles not made into packages, then it gets interesting...

update-alternatives could be the answer. or not. :)





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Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

[Christopher Barry]

Agreed. Bhodi's default theme is painful to look at. Read some Johannes
Itten, like 'elements of color'.
On Jun 10, 2014 3:35 PM, mk joz_...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 Jeff,

 Red, orange, brown are not suitable colors for desktop environment. I
 suspect you used orange as a menu highlight to symbolically indicate that
 Bodhi is an ubuntu derivative.

 Not a good choice. Take it out. Mark Shuttleworth is an artistic
 illiterate.

 Think of this: why matadors use red (orange is basically red a bit of
 yellow added) to excite bulls? Why red is used to mark whorehouses? These
 colors are extremely disturbing psychologically speaking.

 Here is a link on colors, explaining some basic things with examples.


 http://www.hungarianambiance.com/2009/06/magic-of-simultaneous-contrast.html




 On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 2:09:53 PM, Yomi Ogunwumi abyo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I don't worry too much about the Settings Panel horror, because at some
 point in the future this will be fixed, apparently. ¹

 I also don't play around with Settings too much because I get lost.

 1 : https://phab.enlightenment.org/T553
 -*Yomi*


 On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 11:34 AM, William wjck...@gmail.com wrote:

  First a disclaimer: I Love Enlightenment and use it as my main
  workstation OS. While I only started using it full-time last year, I
  have been following it's development since 1997. As things stand, I
  would not want to use another system.
 
  The ugly and awful truth from my perspective: yes, Enlightenment is
  ugly. However, ugly is misinterpreted as awful. Compounding the problem
  is that Enlightenment is extraordinarily complex. I would venture to
  guess that easily 99% of people who try Enlightenment give up on it
  after less than two-hours. As all distros\WMs\DEs have a strong tendency
  to troll one another to different degrees, users in all groups
  universally troll against Enlightenment. I see it almost everyday.
 
  What is the difference with me? I could not possibly care less about the
  aesthetics of a user interface. It is what I can do with it that counts
  - how I can arrange my workflow. In that respect, Enlightenment is the
  most powerful environment available. My most favorite features is the
  ability to tell one of my displays to be a tiling WM. It is not merely
  the ability but the incredibly well thought out way it is designed. Of
  course, if you are a new user, you may never know the functionality
  exists since one must (comparatively) dig through a mountain of settings
  to find it. There are numerous other interface features to Enlightenment
  that I love, and when made to work together simply cannot be found
  anywhere else - not even close. But the settings are another barrier to
  entry. If you are not immediately turned off by Enlightenment's looks,
  browsing through the settings will send most running. When everything is
  approached at once through the settings panel, for many it is like
  trying to chisel a tunnel through the moon with a hammer. Some of the
  best settings are labeled in non-intuitive ways, and so are never
  explored. To this day, there are settings that even I don't know what
  they do. I fully appreciate why that may not be apparent to developers
  and long time users.
 
  I have long played with the thought that perhaps there should be a
  secondary, not so super-scary version of Enlightenment for regular
  Linux users. This would have to have a default interface with highly
  refined aesthetics and functional defaults.  It would also have to
  utterly gut the settings panel, of... most things. Basically a stupid
  version of Enlightenment. I think it could actually be popular, but I do
  not feel it is my place to champion such an idea. Further, it would
  double the complexity of development, and I want to make sure *MY* ugly,
  super-complicated, ultra-functional version of Enlightenment continues
  to exist. I LOVE it the way it is. So I suppose I am actually against
  the idea. Just the other day, I was on the elementary OS (polar opposite
  of Enlightenment) Google+ board where I am very active since that's the
  distro I put on other peoples computers. We were discussing the upcoming
  tiling windows manager plugin for elementary OS. I mentioned that I use
  Bodhi and briefly discussed its tiling feature. Of course, the hate
  descended. My next to the last post on the matter reads as follows and I
  think is most poignant:
 
 
  This is true. However, I care absolutely nothing about aesthetics. ( I
  was desensitized after working with mainframes a long time ago) So in my
  case, ugliness does not interfere with my user experience as it does
  with others, and I don't mind extreme configuration. If elementary OS
  was extremely ugly but otherwise had the interface features I like about
  it, I would still love it just as much. Although I would not recommend
  it, let only install it on other peoples computers as I otherwise do.
  Much the same, I never ever recommend 

[e-users] yeah, but...

[Christopher Barry]

OK, so I've had several cocktails, it is Friday night - er, ok
Saturday morn, after all, so take anything I say with a grain of salt...

Disclaimer: I can never use another WM. Not an option. It's e or the
command line. Period. gnome, KDE, lxde, anything Ubuntu? nah. been
there, done that. I'm hooked on e. On Debian sid of course.

Yet some things perplex me. Maybe it's my settings are weird (I use
focus follows mouse). Maybe no developer uses or even tests with my
settings. dunno.

But why, please tell me, when I'm in the file manager, and I hover over
a file or directory, a dialog with a massive icon pops up, covering over
most everything, that I cannot access or use! When I move the mouse to
get there it disappears on me. It's frustrating. Also, why such a huge
icon? I already know what it's icon is - I'm looking at it to
highlight the file. I probably really want more details about this file
or directory, not a bigger icon view. A big icon may be prettier or
clearer, but it does nothing to answer my questions... Luckily, I'm a
heavy shell and mc user, so it's not *that* big a deal, but still, it's
weird by any analysis. Form should always follow function.

On the topic of file managers, most ignore one of the most basic
desired functions: actually display the entire file (regardless of
type) in a pane when you highlight the filename!

With a simple filetype viewer plugin architecture, the owner of the
filetype can actually code the viewer for you!

Thumbnails are great, and needed, but being able to view files in the
file manager is *golden* (as in xtree gold-en ;) I hope maybe others who
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Re: [e-users] How to search ni Phabricator ?

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On Sat, 24 May 2014 10:32:09 +0200
Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu wrote:

I have some bad problem of configuration with multiple screen.
Before posting here or in Phabricator, I want to know the state of
the art.
I try the search  multi screen but the result has strictly no
interest... Is there a good way to search ? and get at least results
by date ?

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Hi. I had many trials and tribulations getting three monitors to work
correctly, but posted my methods on this mailing list. I have three
monitors working fantastically now.

I suggest searching the mailing list archives. Some keywords might be
radeon, triple head, my name, arandr, xrandr, lightdm

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Re: [e-users] new desktop link DIY

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On Tue, 20 May 2014 21:22:25 +0200
meine trial...@gmx.com wrote:

maybe this is stuff that you already know, maybe you are new and
wanted to know but were afraid to ask...

on the Enlightenment desktop there are several shortcuts to your home
directory, root and plugged in USB devices. you can also copy
documents to the desktop by dragging them to the Desktop directory in
the home folder.

but what when you want a shortcut to another permanently mounted
partition on your hard disk drive?

a link to a file or directory on the desktop is a special
'.desktop' [dot] file with application like features. it triggers a
program to react and behave like specified. making such a link I found
not documented for Enlightenment, but the LXDE way works well!

to create a shortcut to a different volume -- usually mounted
in /media/partition_name, you need to manually create a .desktop
file in the ~/Desktop folder:

[user@localhost ~]$ cat ~/Desktop/preferred_shortcut_name.desktop

open this file with a text editor and enter all lines below where you
fill in the parts between  :

[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Type=Application
Icon=system-file-manager
Name=preferred_shortcut_name
Exec=enlightenment_filemanager /media/name_of_different_mountvolume
 
the string is asking the Enlightenment file manager to open the given
folder. stay with the default application icon or choose one different.

then set the file proprties in the file manager by right-clicking the
made .desktop file and choose settings/properties:

user: read, write, execute
group: read, execute
others: read, execute

Once saved you can only change this file by temporarily unchecking the
execute properties. Don't forget to put these back to have your
desktop shortcut in working order back again.


You can also simply do this:

$ cd ~/Desktop
$ ln -s /place/you/mounted/volume/ myvol

Now, 'myvol' is a link on your desktop.

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Re: [e-users] DE freezing up and problem removing e17

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 23:00:37 -0400
Brandon Perkins ingeniar...@gmail.com wrote:

I have 64bit Debian Jessie and I am using the e17 from the Debian repo.
I had to reinstall my debian repo and the enlightenment desktop
environment because my school tech support claimed they had to wipe
everything in order to successfully reinstall my windows partition.
S

My first problem is that when I try to run an e17 session the DE will
freeze up in a weird way.  I can move my mouse around but I can't
access any menus or open windows.  And if I have a window open before
it freezes then it is stuck there (can't be closed, moved around, or
closed).  I have to hold the power button to force a shutdown.

The second problem has to do with removing it.  I can't seem to get
rid of the configuration files that were created during the initial
setup of e17, because I feel this might be part of the reason to the
first problem.  For the compositing and special effects settings I had
disabled everything ( I just wanted to disable compositing, but I
disabled the other two options cause I thought wouldn't need them),
but I think disabling the last two options may have caused the
freezing.  But since I can't seem to erase the configuration files,
reinstalling e17 seems pointless.

Does someone know how to fix this problem?
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do the following from the linux terminal (use 'ctl-alt-f1' from
your login manager) *without* e running:

mv ~/.e ~/.e-old

then do an 'alt-f7' (ctl not needed from the terminal) to get back to
the login manager, and then login to e. It will run through initial
setup, and you'll have the default configuration.

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[e-users] t1127

[Christopher Barry]

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Re: [e-users] how to build wit h PAM access ?

[Christopher Barry]

On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:40:24 +0100
Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu wrote:

I get No PAM support was built.
How to get this PAM suport ?
More exactly, how should I build (e18)  and install to get a login 
dialog at start, and when locked ?
Thanks in advance.

PC

As a guess, you'll need all the PAM development packages installed, so
compilation can find the required libs.

As for a login, this is typically the job of the display manager, such
as gdm or lightdm.


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[e-users] some thoughts about Terminology

[Christopher Barry]

Dear terminology creators,

First, it's very beautiful, and nicely crafted with care and love -
that's the most obvious first impression.

Second, the font rendering is superb, and it runs mc wonderfully as
well.

What follows will be some observations that may be configurable, but I
just don't know enough about it yet after a day of playing with it.

* using git code from yesterday (Mar 14, 2014)

* tabbing w/ ctrl-pg{up,dwn} should wrap around in a ring, or be
  configurable to do that if desired.

* command mode should have a '?' or 'help' command

* ctrl-[0-9] does not work to jump to a tab for me for some reason

* shft-numpad{+,-} does not change the font size for me for some reason.

* with many tabs enabled, ctrl-shft-home brings up a view of the tabs,
  but moving mouse up or down does not scroll the instances very well.
  allowing the scroll-wheel here would be intuitive and useful. Another
  thought would be to initially grid them all to fit, then mousing over
  each would zoom it enough to see the text, and a click would select
  it. Indeed, having multiple display modes/methods would be cool.

* coming in/out of config, multi-line prompts are incorrectly displayed.
  It seems related to how the right-click menu slides in. I am using
  this theme-able prompt (progit theme):
  https://github.com/christopher-barry/bash-color-tools.git
  disclaimer: I wrote it.

* the config page is white on my box (still running e17 though) and
  does not match the default dark theme. I assume this has to do with
  not having all the right new stuff yet though.

* should window splits stay in the same tab? This would be nice for
  keeping a specific split setup on a single tab. Seems like a major
  architectural thing though, and I can imagine you all debated that,
  as I assume the terminal here is a 'bigger' container than the tab,
  but just a thought that I think it would be an nice enhancement.


Anyway, major kudos to all of you that made this terminal emulator. It
is *by far* the best one I have ever used, and I've been using Unix and
Linux since the early '90s. Absolutely awesome job!

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Re: [e-users] some thoughts about Terminology

[Christopher Barry]

On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 13:16:22 -0400
Christopher Barry christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com wrote:

Dear terminology creators,

First, it's very beautiful, and nicely crafted with care and love -
that's the most obvious first impression.

Second, the font rendering is superb, and it runs mc wonderfully as
well.

What follows will be some observations that may be configurable, but I
just don't know enough about it yet after a day of playing with it.

* using git code from yesterday (Mar 14, 2014)

* tabbing w/ ctrl-pg{up,dwn} should wrap around in a ring, or be
  configurable to do that if desired.

* command mode should have a '?' or 'help' command

* ctrl-[0-9] does not work to jump to a tab for me for some reason

* shft-numpad{+,-} does not change the font size for me for some
reason.

* with many tabs enabled, ctrl-shft-home brings up a view of the tabs,
  but moving mouse up or down does not scroll the instances very well.
  allowing the scroll-wheel here would be intuitive and useful. Another
  thought would be to initially grid them all to fit, then mousing over
  each would zoom it enough to see the text, and a click would select
  it. Indeed, having multiple display modes/methods would be cool.

* coming in/out of config, multi-line prompts are incorrectly
displayed.
  It seems related to how the right-click menu slides in. I am using
  this theme-able prompt (progit theme):
  https://github.com/christopher-barry/bash-color-tools.git
  disclaimer: I wrote it.

* the config page is white on my box (still running e17 though) and
  does not match the default dark theme. I assume this has to do with
  not having all the right new stuff yet though.

* should window splits stay in the same tab? This would be nice for
  keeping a specific split setup on a single tab. Seems like a major
  architectural thing though, and I can imagine you all debated that,
  as I assume the terminal here is a 'bigger' container than the tab,
  but just a thought that I think it would be an nice enhancement.


Anyway, major kudos to all of you that made this terminal emulator. It
is *by far* the best one I have ever used, and I've been using Unix and
Linux since the early '90s. Absolutely awesome job!

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Also, when running terminology from lxterminal, and selecting the
'colors' item in the config, this error prints to the lxterminal
hundreds of times:
ERR21144:eo lib/eo/eo.c:340 _eo_dov_internal() in
lib/edje/edje_util.c:3984: Can't execute function
Edje:EDJE_OBJ_SUB_ID_SIZE_MIN_RESTRICTED_CALC (op 0x19d) for class
'Evas_Smart'. Aborting.

the colors config page then looks like this:
http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=68304

I'm assuming this has more to do with me still being on e17 than a bug
in terminology though.


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Re: [e-users] Trying to run Terminology in the fbcon

[Christopher Barry]

 :
  
  * Works directly in the linux framebuffer (fbcon)
  
  But upon switching to a VT running a framebuffer console and
  trying to run terminology:
  
  % terminology
  ERR11682:elementary elm_config.c:2196 _elm_config_sub_init()
 Cannot connect to X11 display. check $DISPLAY
  variable ERR11682:eldbus lib/eldbus/eldbus_core.c:1003
  _connection_get() Error connecting to bus of type 1.
 error name: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NotSupported
 error message: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon
  without a $DISPLAY for X11 ERR11682:lib/eldbus/eldbus_core.c:1065
  eldbus_connection_get() safety check failed: conn == NULL
  CRI11682:elementary elm_win.c:2388 elm_win_add() Software
  X11 engine creation failed. Trying default.
  ERR11682:elementary elm_win.c:2574 elm_win_add() Cannot
  create window.
  
  Any suggestions/clarifications much appreciated,
  
  John
 



Could this be relevant?
Ecore_FB: no ()

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Re: [e-users] switch to/from multi monitor setup

[Christopher Barry]

Use xrandr to reset
 On Mar 3, 2014 7:27 PM, David Moylan dmoy...@daxunlimited.com wrote:

 On my laptop I plugged in an external monitor.  Everything worked fine.
 However, when I disconnected the external monitor it didn't revert to a
 single monitor state.  The windows that were on the external monitor are
 still offscreen and if I scroll off the screen in that direction the
 mouse disappears as if it's on the phantom screen.  Only one monitor is
 shown under screen settings.  Is there a way to manually go back to
 single screen mode?

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Re: [e-users] EFL 1.9 is Out

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A big DITTO to that! You guys are cranking!
 On Feb 25, 2014 10:36 AM, William wjck...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been following Enlightenment since day one. I think I first saw it
 announced on Chips n Dip, the predecessor to Slashdot. Needless to say,
 for a long time there was not much to follow. These days you folks are
 absolutely on fire. It is wonderful to be running Enlightenment full
 time again for the first time in a decade or so. I enjoy using it
 immensely and very much appreciate the work of all who contribute to
 make it happen.

 Keep up the fantastic work,

 William

 On 02/25/2014 07:43 AM, Stefan Schmidt wrote:
  = EFL 1.9 is Out =
 
  After three months of development work and only one day behind the set
  schedule
  we are proud to announce the release of version 1.9 of EFL,
  Elementary, Evas
  Generic Loaders and Emotion Generic Players.
 
  == Download ==
 
  http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/efl/efl-1.9.0.tar.gz
  fd4703edb56c01b713f92849fb15f6ca3d866227ce4abff2d90b08244cd99a99
 
 
 http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/elementary/elementary-1.9.0.tar.gz
  95cb9ade6c1f135b673555d927d13b5e06986353047178125346abdf6c2b4d82
 
 
 http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/emotion_generic_players/emotion_generic_players-1.9.0.tar.gz
  9447839047b087b0293b2ed6c453249919f66e5c4f62e252a7b7e4f996c2ac5f
 
 
 http://download.enlightenment.org/rel/libs/evas_generic_loaders/evas_generic_loaders-1.9.0.tar.gz
  d26546adf61db7521f9d46f2baedcb645af72497fc259e93907026970d42d794
 
 
  
 
  = What's New =
 
  Even if we had only three months a lot has happened during the 1.9
  release cycle.
  We only cover some highlights here for the full list please look at
  the NEWS files
  if you are interested in the details. As usual we have been working on
  fixing bugs,
  optimizing our code for speed and memory footprint and adding new
  features.
  Below we describe just some highlights and by no means provide a full
  list.
 
  == AT-SPI based accessibility features ==
 
  New accessibility features based on AT-SPI2 interfaces enabling
  Elementary support for AT-SPI clients (e.g. Orca Screen Reader).
  AT-SPI support currently includes:
  * registering an application,
  * building an application's widget tree,
  * implementations for the Accessible and Component AT-SPI interfaces.
  For AT-SPI2 specification see
 
 http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/accessibility/atk/at-spi/at-spi_on_d-bus
 
  == Evas Filters  ==
  The Evas filters are a combination of filters used to apply specific
  effects to an
  Evas Object. For the moment, these effects are specific to the Text
  Objects.
 
  The filters can be applied to an object using a simple script language
  specifically designed for these effects. Commands of these script
  language
  include blend, blur, grow, displace, transform and more.
 
  == Emotion Port to GStreamer 1.0 ==
  A long due port from the GStreamer 0.10 API to 1.0 has happened in our
  emotion library. This port implements some missing features, clean up
  code a bit and fix some bugs on the way. Some highlighted changes:
  * Use GstVideoInfo to store the format details inside the sink
  * Add support for pixel-aspect-ratio
  * Store video format information in GstVideoInfo for the different
  * video streams
  * Use GstAudioInfo to store the audio format information
  * Implement initial support for GstNavigation interface
  * Implement setting of audio/video channel
 
  == Evas text improvements ==
  A lot development time was spent on optimizing the evas text handling.
  Speed as well as memory improvements combined with many bug fixes to
  make the code more correct and handle corner cases. We also added
  support for 4bit and rel 4 bit compressed font glyphs as well as
  the long awaited
  font fallback for eet/edje and non-fontconfig queried fonts,
  fixing international
  text in Terminology.
 
  == Support for XPresent extension ==
  Ecore_x gained support for the XPresent extension of X.org.
  The upcoming Enlightenment 0.19 release will make first use of this.
 
  == Edje Edit Enhancements ==
  Another area with a lot of ongoing work was edje edit. From API
  additions
  over bug fixes and general improvements a lot was done here. Edje edit
  can be seen as some foundation work for graphical edc/edj editors. It
  is
  needed to access and change the theme files. We hope to build upon
  that
  to provide better tooling for efl development later.
 
  == Statistics ==
  During this release cycle efl received 783 commits with 598 files
  changed, 8 line insertions and 11352 line deletions.
 
  During this release cycle elementary received 576 commits with
  637 files changed 29482 line insertions and 13469 line deletions.
 
  ==Changed Dependencies ==
  * Emotion in efl now needs GStreamer 1.x (Evas generic loaders still
  * need Gstreamer 0.10 - sorry for this we hope to fix that at some
  * point)
  * EFL now needs luajit by default. If you want 

[e-users] doing an upgrade just trashed e

[Christopher Barry]

Greetings,

I'm running jessie (sid) and I just did an upgrade, and now e won't
load at all. I moved .e, still same behavior. lightdm loads up, I log
in, the dm goes away and e starts loading. The splash never shows, the
screens (I have 3 monitors) flash a bit and it falls right back to the
dm. I've been up all night trying to fix it. Luckily my laptop is
functional...

Here's my .xsession-errors

ESTART: 0.0 [0.0] - Begin Startup
ESTART: 0.4 [0.4] - Signal Trap
ESTART: 0.5 [0.1] - Signal Trap Done
ESTART: 0.8 [0.2] - Eina Init
ESTART: 0.00026 [0.00018] - Eina Init Done
ESTART: 0.00026 [0.0] - Determine Prefix
INFee_prefix.c:25 =
INFee_prefix.c:26 Enlightenment relocation handling
INFee_prefix.c:27 =
INFee_prefix.c:28 PREFIX:  /usr
INFee_prefix.c:29 BINDIR:  /usr/bin
INFee_prefix.c:30 LIBDIR:  /usr/lib
INFee_prefix.c:31 DATADIR: /usr/share/enlightenment
INFee_prefix.c:32 LOCALE:  /usr/share/locale
INFee_prefix.c:33 =
ESTART: 0.00039 [0.00013] - Determine Prefix Done
ESTART: 0.00042 [0.3] - Environment Variables
ESTART: 0.00043 [0.2] - Environment Variables Done
ESTART: 0.00044 [0.1] - Parse Arguments
ESTART: 0.00045 [0.1] - Parse Arguments Done
ESTART: 0.00045 [0.1] - Eet Init
ESTART: 0.00305 [0.00260] - Eet Init Done
ESTART: 0.00306 [0.1] - Ecore Init
ESTART: 0.00313 [0.7] - Ecore Init Done
ESTART: 0.00314 [0.1] - EIO Init
ESTART: 0.00316 [0.2] - EIO Init Done
ESTART: 0.00316 [0.0] - Ecore Event Handlers
ESTART: 0.00316 [0.0] - Ecore Event Handlers Done
ESTART: 0.00317 [0.0] - Ecore_File Init
ESTART: 0.00360 [0.00043] - Ecore_File Init Done
ESTART: 0.00361 [0.1] - Ecore_Con Init
ESTART: 0.00361 [0.0] - Ecore_Con Init Done
ESTART: 0.00361 [0.0] - Ecore_Ipc Init
ESTART: 0.00362 [0.1] - Ecore_Ipc Init Done
ESTART: 0.00362 [0.0] - Ecore_X Init
ESTART: 0.00625 [0.00262] - Ecore_X Init Done
ESTART: 0.00625 [0.1] - Ecore_IMF Init
ESTART: 0.00648 [0.00022] - Ecore_IMF Init Done
ESTART: 0.00648 [0.1] - Ecore_Evas Init
ESTART: 0.00655 [0.7] - Ecore_Evas Init Done
ESTART: 0.00656 [0.1] - Ecore_Evas Engine Check
ESTART: 0.00656 [0.0] - Ecore_Evas Engine Check Done
ESTART: 0.00657 [0.0] - Edje Init
ESTART: 0.00668 [0.00012] - Edje Init Done
ESTART: 0.00669 [0.1] - E Intl Init
ESTART: 0.00670 [0.1] - E Intl Init Done
ESTART: 0.00671 [0.0] - E_Alert Init
ESTART: 0.00671 [0.0] - E_Alert Init Done
ESTART: 0.00671 [0.0] - E_Xinerama Init
INFee_xinerama.c:123 E17 INIT: XINERAMA SCREEN: [0][0],
1920x1200+1920+0 INFee_xinerama.c:123 E17 INIT: XINERAMA SCREEN:
[1][1], 1920x1200+3840+0 INFee_xinerama.c:123 E17 INIT: XINERAMA
SCREEN: [2][2], 1920x1200+0+0 INFee_xinerama.c:178
=== screens: INFee_xinerama.c:184 E17 INIT:
XINERAMA CHOSEN: [2][0], 1920x1200+0+0 INFee_xinerama.c:184 E17 INIT:
XINERAMA CHOSEN: [0][1], 1920x1200+1920+0 INFee_xinerama.c:184 E17
INIT: XINERAMA CHOSEN: [1][2], 1920x1200+3840+0 ESTART: 0.00695
[0.00024] - E_Xinerama Init Done ESTART: 0.00695 [0.1] - E_Hints
Init ESTART: 0.00709 [0.00014] - E_Hints Init Done
ESTART: 0.00710 [0.1] - E_Configure Init
ESTART: 0.00713 [0.3] - E_Configure Init Done
ESTART: 0.00713 [0.0] - E Directories Init
ESTART: 0.00717 [0.4] - E Directories Init Done
ESTART: 0.00717 [0.0] - E_Filereg Init
ESTART: 0.00717 [0.0] - E_Filereg Init Done
ESTART: 0.00718 [0.0] - E_Config Init
ESTART: 0.00753 [0.00035] - E_Config Init Done
ESTART: 0.00755 [0.2] - E_Randr Init
ERRe_randr_12.c:214 safety check failed: E_RANDR_12_NO_MODE(mode) is
true ERRe_randr_12_output.c:196 safety check failed: outputs == NULL
ERRe_randr_12.c:214 safety check failed: E_RANDR_12_NO_MODE(mode) is
true ERRe_randr_12_output.c:196 safety check failed: outputs == NULL
ERRe_randr_12.c:214 safety check failed: E_RANDR_12_NO_MODE(mode) is
true ERRe_randr_12_output.c:196 safety check failed: outputs == NULL
ESTART: 0.01006 [0.00251] - E_Randr Init Done
ESTART: 0.01006 [0.1] - E_Env Init
ESTART: 0.01007 [0.0] - E_Env Init Done
ESTART: 0.01007 [0.1] - E_Scale Init
ESTART: 0.01008 [0.1] - E_Scale Init Done
ESTART: 0.01009 [0.0] - E_Pointer Init
ESTART: 0.01009 [0.0] - E_Pointer Init Done
ESTART: 0.01009 [0.0] - E Paths Init
ESTART: 0.01010 [0.1] - E Paths Init Done
ESTART: 0.01011 [0.0] - E_Ipc Init
ESTART: 0.01017 [0.6] - E_Ipc Init Done
ESTART: 0.01018 [0.1] - E_Font Init
ESTART: 0.01018 [0.0] - E_Font Init Done
ESTART: 0.01018 [0.0] - E_Font Apply
ESTART: 0.01019 [0.0] - E_Font Apply Done
ESTART: 0.01019 [0.0] - E_Canvas Recache
ESTART: 0.01019 [0.1] - E_Canvas Recache Done
ESTART: 0.01020 [0.0] - E_Theme Init
ESTART: 0.01021 [0.2] - E_Theme Init Done
ESTART: 0.01021 [0.0] - E_Moveresize Init
ESTART: 0.01022 [0.0] - E_Moveresize Init Done
ESTART: 

[e-users] SOLVED: Re: doing an upgrade just trashed e

[Christopher Barry]

On Mon, 24 Feb 2014 08:00:10 -0600
Kevin Martin ktm...@gmail.com wrote:

On 02/24/2014 04:53 AM, Christopher Barry wrote:
 Greetings,
 
 I'm running jessie (sid) and I just did an upgrade, and now e won't
 load at all. I moved .e, still same behavior. lightdm loads up, I log
 in, the dm goes away and e starts loading. The splash never shows,
 the screens (I have 3 monitors) flash a bit and it falls right back
 to the dm. I've been up all night trying to fix it. Luckily my
 laptop is functional...
 
 Here's my .xsession-errors
 
 ESTART: 0.0 [0.0] - Begin Startup
 ESTART: 0.4 [0.4] - Signal Trap
 ESTART: 0.5 [0.1] - Signal Trap Done
 ESTART: 0.8 [0.2] - Eina Init
 ESTART: 0.00026 [0.00018] - Eina Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00026 [0.0] - Determine Prefix
 INFee_prefix.c:25 =
 INFee_prefix.c:26 Enlightenment relocation handling
 INFee_prefix.c:27 =
 INFee_prefix.c:28 PREFIX:  /usr
 INFee_prefix.c:29 BINDIR:  /usr/bin
 INFee_prefix.c:30 LIBDIR:  /usr/lib
 INFee_prefix.c:31 DATADIR: /usr/share/enlightenment
 INFee_prefix.c:32 LOCALE:  /usr/share/locale
 INFee_prefix.c:33 =
 ESTART: 0.00039 [0.00013] - Determine Prefix Done
 ESTART: 0.00042 [0.3] - Environment Variables
 ESTART: 0.00043 [0.2] - Environment Variables Done
 ESTART: 0.00044 [0.1] - Parse Arguments
 ESTART: 0.00045 [0.1] - Parse Arguments Done
 ESTART: 0.00045 [0.1] - Eet Init
 ESTART: 0.00305 [0.00260] - Eet Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00306 [0.1] - Ecore Init
 ESTART: 0.00313 [0.7] - Ecore Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00314 [0.1] - EIO Init
 ESTART: 0.00316 [0.2] - EIO Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00316 [0.0] - Ecore Event Handlers
 ESTART: 0.00316 [0.0] - Ecore Event Handlers Done
 ESTART: 0.00317 [0.0] - Ecore_File Init
 ESTART: 0.00360 [0.00043] - Ecore_File Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00361 [0.1] - Ecore_Con Init
 ESTART: 0.00361 [0.0] - Ecore_Con Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00361 [0.0] - Ecore_Ipc Init
 ESTART: 0.00362 [0.1] - Ecore_Ipc Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00362 [0.0] - Ecore_X Init
 ESTART: 0.00625 [0.00262] - Ecore_X Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00625 [0.1] - Ecore_IMF Init
 ESTART: 0.00648 [0.00022] - Ecore_IMF Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00648 [0.1] - Ecore_Evas Init
 ESTART: 0.00655 [0.7] - Ecore_Evas Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00656 [0.1] - Ecore_Evas Engine Check
 ESTART: 0.00656 [0.0] - Ecore_Evas Engine Check Done
 ESTART: 0.00657 [0.0] - Edje Init
 ESTART: 0.00668 [0.00012] - Edje Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00669 [0.1] - E Intl Init
 ESTART: 0.00670 [0.1] - E Intl Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00671 [0.0] - E_Alert Init
 ESTART: 0.00671 [0.0] - E_Alert Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00671 [0.0] - E_Xinerama Init
 INFee_xinerama.c:123 E17 INIT: XINERAMA SCREEN: [0][0],
 1920x1200+1920+0 INFee_xinerama.c:123 E17 INIT: XINERAMA SCREEN:
 [1][1], 1920x1200+3840+0 INFee_xinerama.c:123 E17 INIT: XINERAMA
 SCREEN: [2][2], 1920x1200+0+0 INFee_xinerama.c:178
 === screens: INFee_xinerama.c:184 E17 INIT:
 XINERAMA CHOSEN: [2][0], 1920x1200+0+0 INFee_xinerama.c:184 E17
 INIT: XINERAMA CHOSEN: [0][1], 1920x1200+1920+0
 INFee_xinerama.c:184 E17 INIT: XINERAMA CHOSEN: [1][2],
 1920x1200+3840+0 ESTART: 0.00695 [0.00024] - E_Xinerama Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00695 [0.1] - E_Hints Init ESTART: 0.00709 [0.00014] -
 E_Hints Init Done ESTART: 0.00710 [0.1] - E_Configure Init
 ESTART: 0.00713 [0.3] - E_Configure Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00713 [0.0] - E Directories Init
 ESTART: 0.00717 [0.4] - E Directories Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00717 [0.0] - E_Filereg Init
 ESTART: 0.00717 [0.0] - E_Filereg Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00718 [0.0] - E_Config Init
 ESTART: 0.00753 [0.00035] - E_Config Init Done
 ESTART: 0.00755 [0.2] - E_Randr Init
 ERRe_randr_12.c:214 safety check failed: E_RANDR_12_NO_MODE(mode)
 is true ERRe_randr_12_output.c:196 safety check failed: outputs ==
 NULL ERRe_randr_12.c:214 safety check failed:
 E_RANDR_12_NO_MODE(mode) is true ERRe_randr_12_output.c:196 safety
 check failed: outputs == NULL ERRe_randr_12.c:214 safety check
 failed: E_RANDR_12_NO_MODE(mode) is true
 ERRe_randr_12_output.c:196 safety check failed: outputs == NULL
 ESTART: 0.01006 [0.00251] - E_Randr Init Done ESTART: 0.01006
 [0.1] - E_Env Init ESTART: 0.01007 [0.0] - E_Env Init Done
 ESTART: 0.01007 [0.1] - E_Scale Init
 ESTART: 0.01008 [0.1] - E_Scale Init Done
 ESTART: 0.01009 [0.0] - E_Pointer Init
 ESTART: 0.01009 [0.0] - E_Pointer Init Done
 ESTART: 0.01009 [0.0] - E Paths Init
 ESTART: 0.01010 [0.1] - E Paths Init Done
 ESTART: 0.01011 [0.0] - E_Ipc Init
 ESTART: 0.01017 [0.6] - E_Ipc Init Done
 ESTART: 0.01018 [0.1] - E_Font Init
 ESTART: 0.01018 [0.0] - E_Font Init Done
 ESTART: 0.01018 [0.0] - E_Font Apply
 ESTART: 0.01019 [0.0] - E_Font Apply Done
 ESTART: 0.01019 [0.0] - E_Canvas Recache
 ESTART: 0.01019

Re: [e-users] [Pkg-e-devel] SOLVED: Re: doing an upgrade just trashed e

[Christopher Barry]

Dunno. Bug somewhere.
 On Feb 24, 2014 3:22 PM, Albin Tonnerre lu...@debian.org wrote:

  Reverse Depends:
e17:i386,e17
e17-dev,e17 0.17.3-3
e17-dbg,e17 0.17.3-3
e17-data,e17
  Dependencies:
  0.17.3-3 - libasound2 (2 1.0.16) libc6 (2 2.14) libdbus-1-3 (2 1.0.2)
  libecore-con1 (2 1.7.7) libecore-evas1 (2 1.7.7) libecore-file1 (2
  1.7.7) libecore-imf1 (2 1.7.7) libecore-input1 (2 1.7.7) libecore-ipc1
  (2 1.7.7) libecore-x1 (2 1.7.7) libecore1 (2 1.7.7) libedbus1 (2 1.7.7)
  libedje1 (2 1.7.4) libeet1 (2 1.6.0) libefreet1 (2 1.7.7) libeina1 (2
  1.7.4) libeio1 (2 1.7.4) libevas1 (2 1.7.7) libpam0g (2 0.99.7.1)
  libxcb-keysyms1 (2 0.3.9) libxcb-shape0 (0 (null)) libxcb1 (0 (null))
  e17-data (5 0.17.3-3) libevas1-engine-software-x11 (0 (null))
  libedje-bin (0 (null)) dbus-x11 (0 (null)) pm-utils (0 (null))
  enlightenment (0 (null)) enlightenment:i386 (0 (null)) e17:i386 (0
  (null)) Provides: 0.17.3-3 - x-window-manager Reverse Provides:
 
  The first to report '(0 (null))' was libevas1-engine-software-x11,
  which looked related to my error, so I tried to manually install it:
 
  # apt-get install libevas1-engine-software-x11
 
  which in fact needed to be installed, and that pulled in a bunch of
  other stuff as well.
 
  Then I re-ran apt-cache, but it looked the same. So I stepped through
  the rest of the packages that also had '(0 (null))' in the version.
 
  # apt-get install libedje-bin
 
  which also needed to be upgraded, and it pulled in some stuff too.
 
  The rest of the '(0 (null))' pkgs were okay.
 
  I flipped back to vt7, and tried logging in and it worked.
  Whoo-Friggin-Hoo!!!
 
  THAT was stressful - I have work to do! :)
 
  NO IDEA why the package did not pull that stuff in right. I added the e
  packages maintainers to this email so they can have a look.

 That's weird. I can't really see why something like that would happen.
 You shouldn't have been able to keep the e17 package if one the
 dependencies was missing...
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Re: [e-users] Error when building under debian jessie

[Christopher Barry]

On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 09:04:48 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

On Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:53:13 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
said:

modules are patches against e. they need to update as e updates. yes -
e from git has no more e_container.h. :) those that want those modules
to work.. need to update them. :)


Maybe a dumb question, but if adding a new module requires a patch to
e, then why/how is that modular? :)

Are you really saying that the module interface in e has changed, and
for older modules to work, they need to implement this new interface?

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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

[Christopher Barry]

On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 08:31:11 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 16:37:38 +0100 Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu
said:

 
 Le 17/02/2014 16:10, rob a écrit :
  On 17/02/14 13:53, Pierre Couderc wrote:
  Le 17/02/2014 13:41, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 09:43:14 +0100 Pierre Couderc
  pie...@couderc.eu said:
 
  Le 17/02/2014 07:25, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 05:32:43 +0100 Pierre Couderc
  pie...@couderc.eu said:
 
  Le 17/02/2014 00:28, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a
  écrit :
  On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:23:24 +0100 Pierre Couderc
  pie...@couderc.eu said:
 
  Le 16/02/2014 23:02, Massimo Maiurana a écrit :
  Pierre Couderc, il 16/02/2014 20:23, ha scritto:
  Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian
  jessie ? I have tried to install debian jessie without
  desktop environment, then add xorg packet then e17.
  It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed
  connman, but I do not see it in enlightenment.
  Is the connman module loaded? And is it added to a shelf?
  I'm on jessie and i use connman without problems, I even
  have econnman installed but that is not needed.
 
  Mmm, sorry I am new to enlightenment, loaded...?
  If you want say that I find it in :
 ps -aux
  Yes, it is.
  But I do not know what to do with it...
  And when I start enlightenment, I do not see anything that
  could be could be a networkd manager.
  Ans sorry, I am not well sure what is a shelf.
  settings - modules ... under system ... connection
  manager. is it loaded? (on. enabled. blue light...)?
 
  Thank you. No, it is not. I appears in psa -aux | grep
  connmon but not in enlightenment.
  I surely miss a way to inform e17 that connmon is present.
  then load it. connman in ps is just the connman daemon.
  modules don't have a process name/id - they are part of the
  enlightenment process.
 
  Ok, but this is the problem.  how do I do that ?
  I am looking for a basic howto or documentation  or reference
  about enlightenment, I find many partial pages, but nothing
  structured. Thank you for your patience
  there's a big load button below the list of modules... under
  system. select the module - then load (or unload). it doesn't
  require a document to tel you how. it's right there in the gui.
 
  Well, so if do settings - modules-system, I should see
  connection manager.
  No I see battry, temperature, Dbus extension, (...) but nothing
  like connction manager.
  Maybe it is linked to https://phab.enlightenment.org/T804 ?
 
  See debian bug
  https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=593366
 
  rob
 
 Thank you, Rob, so I conclude that e17 cannot work on debian , or
 that I have to build it myself, or wait it is more mature?

e17 can work - just debian's e17 packaged are broken by disabling
connman, and thus leaving you in your position of not having it.

choices:

1. build e17 yourself
2. find another apt repo/ppa etc. with updated efl/e packages that are
not broken for debian
3. wipe e17 and efl and update to latest (efl 1.8/e18) and compile and
install these yourself. :)
4. change distribution to one that hasn't disabled connamn and lets e
work fully out of the box. :)


I'm running e17.x on Jessie, and I wondered about why connman didn't
work as well. I use, as I stated earlier, wicd instead, but I'm curious,
why did Debian disable connman?


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Re: [e-users] e17 on debian jessie

[Christopher Barry]

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 20:23:34 +0100
Pierre Couderc pie...@couderc.eu wrote:

Is there an howto to install a minimum e17 on debian jessie ?
I have tried to install debian jessie without desktop environment,
then add xorg packet then e17.
It works but I have no wifi network, I have installed connman, but I
do not see it in enlightenment.
I can get the network with wireless-tools before starting startx but I 
would like something more automatic.

Thank you.
A newbye in enlightenment.



I'm using wicd. I found it a while back, and it's great.

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Re: [e-users] e18 doesn't starts

[Christopher Barry]

On Sat, 15 Feb 2014 22:34:11 +0200
Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:

What fs type is /usr/include/ on?

Most times those  turn out to be filesystem corruption of one kind
or another. What is really means is that the kernel can't make sense
out of what it finds in the dinode; there can be valid reasons for
that but fs corruption is the common one.


I second that analysis, and I've seen that many times. Your disk is
failing and/or fs is corrupt.

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Re: [e-users] E 0.18.3: Struggling with dependencies on Debian

[Christopher Barry]

On Fri, 14 Feb 2014 17:41:08 +0100 (CET)
Pavel Reznicek rezni...@ipnp.troja.mff.cuni.cz wrote:


Hi,

   these are dependencies that I have found needed for E18 (+all the 
needed EFL etc. libraries) to compile on debian Jessie:

  automake
  autopoint
  cdbs
  check
  cvs
  debhelper (= 7.0.50~)
  doxygen
  eject
  gettext
  libasound2-dev
  libblkid-dev
  libbluetooth-dev
  libbullet-dev (= 2.81)
  libc6-dev
  libcurl4-gnutls-dev
  libdbus-1-dev
  libfontconfig1-dev
  libfreetype6-dev
  libfribidi-dev
  libgif-dev
  libgles2-mesa-dev
  libglib2.0-dev
  libglu1-mesa-dev
  libgstreamer0.10-dev
  libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-dev
  libharfbuzz-dev
  libibus-1.0-dev
  libjpeg-dev
  liblua5.2-dev
  libmount-dev
  libopenjpeg-dev
  libpixman-1-dev
  libpng12-dev
  libpoppler-dev
  libpoppler-private-dev
  libpulse-dev
  libraw-dev
  librsvg2-dev
  libscim-dev
  libsndfile1-dev
  libspectre-dev
  libssl-dev
  libsystemd-daemon-dev
  libsystemd-journal-dev
  libtiff5-dev
  libtool
  libudev-dev
  libvlccore-dev
  libvlc-dev
  libwayland-dev
  libwebp-dev
  libx11-dev
  libxcb1-dev
  libxcb-composite0-dev
  libxcb-damage0-dev
  libxcb-dpms0-dev
  libxcb-icccm4-dev
  libxcb-image0-dev
  libxcb-keysyms1-dev
  libxcb-randr0-dev
  libxcb-render-util0-dev
  libxcb-screensaver0-dev
  libxcb-shape0-dev
  libxcb-sync-dev
  libxcb-util0-dev
  libxcb-xfixes0-dev
  libxcb-xinerama0-dev
  libxcb-xprint0-dev
  libxcb-xtest0-dev
  libxcomposite-dev
  libxcursor-dev
  libxdamage-dev
  libxext-dev
  libxfixes-dev
  libxine-dev
  libxinerama-dev
  libxkbcommon-dev
  libxkbfile-dev
  libxp-dev
  libxrandr-dev
  libxrender-dev
  libxss-dev
  libxtst-dev
  pkg-config
  subversion
  x11proto-xext-dev
  zlib1g-dev

It works pretty well on my system with Intel graphics. Although, if
you experience open-gl related crashes and have different graphics
card, it may not help...

Cheers,
Pavel


On Fri, 14 Feb 2014, Marjan Waldorp wrote:

 Hello,

 I'm trying to compile E 0.18.3 the correct way on Debian Jessie,
 but I'm struggling with the dependencies.
 I read the requirement on enlightenment.org aswell the appropriate
 README files,
 but I didn't find it quite trivial to translate the official
 dependencies into Debian packages..

 Especially setting up OpenGL the correct way is a problem.
 Either OpenGL doesn't work or OpenGL crashes E right away.

 Is OpenGL V2.0 required or is V1 sufficient?

 On Debian Jessie I have:

 libgl1-mesa-dev
 libgles1-mesa-dev (embedded systems)
 libgles2-mesa-dev (embedded systems)

 Why don't we have libgl2-mesa-dev?

 Any help?

 Thanks,
 Marjan Waldorp,
 tux4u.nl


I try to either bottom post or inline to mailing lists. It's always been
the proper way to keep threads readable, and indeed it's still
demanded on most lists. If that's a faux pas here, please advise.

Anyway, Pavel, great dep list. I've tagged it for when I eventually
upgrade.

Marjan, if you're using fglrx, don't. Use the OSS radeon driver for
sure. fglrx has tons of issues in my experience, and that may just fix
it. Also, install 'apt-file' to help identify packages that a particular
file may be a part of. It's been priceless to me in the past.

you run:
'apt-file update' after you've run 'apt-get update' to update it's
index, then run 'apt-file search filename' to get a list of packages
that filename exists in.

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Re: [e-users] Desktop fading to black

[Christopher Barry]

On Thu, 13 Feb 2014 09:24:41 -0800
David Moylan dmoy...@daxunlimited.com wrote:

I've had this issue a few times where the desktop fades to black, 
however the mouse is still visible. The mouse also changes to pointer 
when scrolled over certain elements even though I can't see them.  I 
can't find any key commands to bring the desktop back to normal.  I've 
been having to drop to a terminal and restart E.  Any ideas?


Maybe try disabling xscreensaver and see if that helps?

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Re: [e-users] [E-devel] void *event_info, passed to Button events (clicked).

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On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 11:03:28 -0500
Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com wrote:

OK, next question.  evas_object_move() does not seem to be able to
'move' *windows*.  I can't find either a elm_ or evas_ function that
sets the position of a *window*.  Is there some function that does
this?  If so, where is it?  Or is there some other magic that does
this?

I may be barking up the wrong tree here, but window 'remembers' save
the position that the user sets to remember window positions for next
invocation of said window. Also, there are functions that initially
position the window per user pref (Settings-Windows-Window Display).
Does that help? Setting a window's position on a screen inside your
code kind of goes against whatever policy the user may have set. Is
that really what you want to do?

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Re: [e-users] E18 Debs for Wheezy

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On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:32:25 -0500
John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org wrote:

I have made debs for Wheezy (latest wheezy, 7.3 - you may need to
...snip

Cool!

What will installing this do to the configuration in ~/.e ?

Also, I'm running Debian unstable, do you see that as an issue or reason
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Re: [e-users] E18 Debs for Wheezy

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Cool. I'll try it. Thanks.
On Jan 25, 2014 6:39 PM, John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org wrote:

 My .e configurations have survived seemingly intact.

 I don't know if you running unstable is a problem - all the supporting
 stuff will be newer than this was built against but that's supposed to
 be OK.  I guess I would say back up your .e directory because the
 upgrade may change it to some newer format.

 If you have .e backed up then you can always go back to the debs you're
 using now if you have any problems.

 Nice thing about packages is they should be able to be swapped in and
 out pretty safely.




 On 01/25/2014 06:28 PM, Christopher Barry wrote:
  On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:32:25 -0500
  John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org wrote:
 
  I have made debs for Wheezy (latest wheezy, 7.3 - you may need to
  ...snip
 
  Cool!
 
  What will installing this do to the configuration in ~/.e ?
 
  Also, I'm running Debian unstable, do you see that as an issue or reason
  to *not* try these?
 
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Re: [e-users] E18 Debs for Wheezy

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The home page is here:
http://collab-maint.alioth.debian.org/debtree/

On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:34:51 -0500
Christopher Barry christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com wrote:


So, trying to see what depends on what, I discovered debtree - a very
cool script that generates dependency graphs.

# apt-get install debtree

Then I ran it like so:
# debtree -R e17 /tmp/out.dot \
   dot -T png -o /tmp/out.png /tmp/out.dot \
   gpicview /tmp/out.png

see attached for a 'wow!' experience :)

-C

On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:41:02 -0500
John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org wrote:

Also e17 has a lot of separate dependencies like libeina, libecore,
that got rolled up into libefl. (by enlightenment.org, not by me) Make
sure to remove them all if you install these new debs. The new
arrangement involves a lot less separate packages.

On 01/25/2014 06:28 PM, Christopher Barry wrote:
 On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:32:25 -0500
 John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org wrote:

 I have made debs for Wheezy (latest wheezy, 7.3 - you may need to
 ...snip

 Cool!

 What will installing this do to the configuration in ~/.e ?

 Also, I'm running Debian unstable, do you see that as an issue or
 reason to *not* try these?




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Re: [e-users] E18 Debs for Wheezy

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On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:34:51 -0500
Christopher Barry christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com wrote:


So, trying to see what depends on what, I discovered debtree - a very
cool script that generates dependency graphs.

# apt-get install debtree

Then I ran it like so:
# debtree -R e17 /tmp/out.dot \
   dot -T png -o /tmp/out.png /tmp/out.dot \
   gpicview /tmp/out.png


See output image here:
http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=65797

I hacked up a quick wrapper to make it a bit easier to use.
saveas debgraph somewhere in the path, chown root:root, and chmod 750
watch for any line-wrapping from this email...

-C

#!/bin/bash

# generate a dependency graph of a package

DEBTREE=debtree
DOT=dot
VIEWER=gpicview
TMPDIR=/tmp

[[ $(id -u) == 0 ]] || { echo gotta be root; exit 1; }

[[ ${#} -gt 0 ]] || {
echo generate and view dependency graphs for deb packages
echo Usage: $0 [see 'man debtree' for options] pkgname
exit 1
}

args=($@)
TMPFN=${TMPDIR}/${args[${#args[@]} - 1]}_dep-graph

[[ $(which ${DEBTREE}) ]] || {
echo Error: $DEBTREE not installed.
echo use: apt-get install debtree
exit 1
}

[[ $(which ${DOT}) ]] || {
echo Error: $DOT not installed.
echo use: apt-get install graphviz
exit 1
}

[[ $(which ${VIEWER}) ]] || {
echo Error: $VIEWER not installed.
echo Either install it, or edit $0 with different VIEWER program
exit 1
}

${DEBTREE} $@ | ${DOT} -T png -o ${TMPFN}.png (cat -) \
 ${VIEWER} ${TMPFN}.png

# after exiting the viewer...
read -p Delete generated graph ${TMPFN}.png? [Yn]  ans

case ${ans} in
n|N) :: ;;
*)   rm -f ${TMPFN}.png ;;
esac

exit $?



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Re: [e-users] Slideshow module for changing background images

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On Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:44:19 -0600
Kevin Martin ktm...@gmail.com wrote:

On 01/14/2014 12:43 PM, Fan Cris wrote:
 http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/26/dist/84/size/27899/name/enlightenment-module-slideshow-0.0.9.76838-svn.10.5.src.rpm
 i have no idea if work with e18
 
 
 On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Kevin Martin ktm...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 Does anybody know where I can find the Slideshow module source code
 that will run with e18?  There was once, apparently, a
 downloadable rpm for Fedora (17 I think) but it's no longer around
 and wouldn't necessarily have worked with e18 anyway so if
 anybody can help me I would appreciate it.

 Thanks.

 Kevin

Yep, saw that, just was wondering if anybody knew where the source for
the src was (in case there is newer source code out there).

Thanks.

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I've never really used subversion, but would that source rpm have the
url for the repo in it somewhere in a config file?

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Re: [e-users] E18 crash on Debian 6.0.8

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 is not pointing to a valid object. Maybe it has
already been freed. ESTART: 0.36124 [0.11895] - MAIN LOOP AT LAST
ESTART: 0.36160 [0.00035] -
SLEEP ERReolib/eo/eo_ptr_indirection.x:275
obj_id 0x8000a252 is not pointing to a valid object. Maybe it has
already been
freed. ERReolib/eo/eo_ptr_indirection.x:275
obj_id 0x8000a252 is not pointing to a valid object. Maybe it has
already been
freed. ERReolib/eo/eo_ptr_indirection.x:275
obj_id 0x8000a252 is not pointing to a valid object. Maybe it has
already been
freed. ERReolib/eo/eo_ptr_indirection.x:275
obj_id 0x8000a252 is not pointing to a valid object. Maybe it has
already been
freed. ERReolib/eo/eo_ptr_indirection.x:275
obj_id 0x8000a252 is not pointing to a valid object. Maybe it has
already been
freed. ERReolib/eo/eo_ptr_indirection.x:275
obj_id 0x8000a252 is not pointing to a valid object. Maybe it has
already been
freed. ERReolib/eo/eo_ptr_indirection.x:275
obj_id 0x8000a252 is not pointing to a valid object. Maybe it has
already been
freed. ERReolib/eo/eo_ptr_indirection.x:275
obj_id 0x8000a252 is not pointing to a valid object. Maybe it has
already been
freed. ERRecorelib/ecore/ecore.c:731 *** ECORE
ERROR: Ecore Magic Check Failed!!! *** IN FUNCTION:
ecore_evas_data_get() ERRecorelib/ecore/ecore.c:733
Input handle pointer is
NULL! ERRecorelib/ecore/ecore.c:744 ***
NAUGHTY PROGRAMMER!!! *** SPANK SPANK SPANK!!! *** Now go fix your
code. Tut tut
tut! ERReolib/eo/eo_ptr_indirection.x:275
obj_id 0x8000a252 is not pointing to a valid object. Maybe it has
already been freed. ERRe_comp.c:4918 safety
check failed: c == NULL PAUSE ! called gdb with 'gdb --pid=21824
-batch -ex 'set logging file /home/heller/.e-crashdump.txt' -ex 'set
logging on' -ex 'thread apply all backtrace full' -ex detach
 /dev/null 21  /dev/zero' = 0 exit_gdb: 0 E - PID=21823, valgrind=0




First, Debian 6.08 is pretty damn old... You really should upgrade
unless it's impossible for some reason.
apt-get-update; apt-get dist-upgrade

You show aptitude package output for I'm presuming source packages.
Where did these packages come from?

Couple questions:
* Have you tried to build from tarballs from enlightenment.org?
** no
*** try doing that, following the directions on the site.

* Did you already have e1[67] installed?
** yes
*** did you remove *all* remnants of that install prior to building?


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Re: [e-users] E18 0.18.0 cannot suspend

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On Mon, 13 Jan 2014 18:24:41 +
Stefano pietran...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all,

since installing E18 0.18.0 (compiled from released sources), I cannot
suspend my laptop.

There is some problem with running pm-suspend (via /etc/acpi/sleep.sh)
as unprivileged user. This was not happening with E17 0.17.x and
pm-suspend works just fine when I run it with sudo.

Any hints?

Thanks,


hint: The answer likely lies in /etc/group, in a group that you are not
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Re: [e-users] environment variable

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On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 17:15:16 -0500
mh mhe...@member.fsf.org wrote:

On 01/11/2014 01:03 PM, Christopher Barry wrote:
 On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 10:18:08 -0500
 mh mhe...@member.fsf.org wrote:

 On 01/10/2014 10:11 AM, mh wrote:
 I don't understand. Running e18.2, efl 1.8.4, if I echo $PATH in a
 terminal I get: /opt/e18/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin. I have e
 installed in /opt/e18/.

 If I logout and then login to xfce, echo $PATH, I get:
 /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin

 I looked in ~/.bashrc but there is nothing there
 adding /opt/e18/bin to PATH. Where is that set?
 I've searched and read about environmental variables, looked at
 /etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc, .profile, .bashrc and don't see
 where it's set.  Interactive and non-interactive terminals.

 Logging into a tty after starting e show the paths I expect shown in
 /etc/profile. I'm running Debian.

 If I start terminology in e as user, echo $PATH has /opt/e18/bin: as
 the first location, but if I become root, echo $PATH does not
 have /opt/e18/bin.

 Is the path to the enlightenment bin directory built into e at
 compile time? I just want to understand where that's being read
 from.

 Thanks,

 mike



 how about trying this:

 # grep -H -r -w PATH= {/etc,/opt,~/} | grep e18

 to show you all files that mention e18 in the PATH var. You either
 see it spelled out or not. That should show whether e is setting it
 internally from compiled code or not, from it's non-presence in the
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Thanks Christopher. I ran the grep command ( I need to spend more time 
with grep! ). I didn't seen any output from /etc or my home directory. 
The /opt directory matched in these:

Binary file /opt/e18/lib/libeina.so.1.8.3 matches
Binary file /opt/e18/lib/enlightenment/utils/enlightenment_sys matches
Binary file /opt/e18/lib/libeina.so.1.8.4 matches
Binary file /opt/e18/bin/enlightenment matches

So it looks like it might be compiled in? I also tried creating a new 
user account that didn't have a ~/.bashrc file. PATH still included
the /opt/e18/bin at the front. I bet Raster knows for sure, but I'm
sure Raster is wicked busy too :)

Thanks again,
mike



Mike,

My assumption is you set PREFIX=/opt when compiling. Logically, the
code wants other 'e' things to know that. xfce does not need to know
about /opt, so it's not included in the path. If you just want xfce to
know about /opt/e18/bin (or wherever), then simply add it to your PATH.


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Re: [e-users] environment variable

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On Sat, 11 Jan 2014 10:18:08 -0500
mh mhe...@member.fsf.org wrote:

On 01/10/2014 10:11 AM, mh wrote:
 I don't understand. Running e18.2, efl 1.8.4, if I echo $PATH in a
 terminal I get: /opt/e18/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin. I have e
 installed in /opt/e18/.

 If I logout and then login to xfce, echo $PATH, I get:
 /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin

 I looked in ~/.bashrc but there is nothing there adding /opt/e18/bin
 to PATH. Where is that set?

I've searched and read about environmental variables, looked at 
/etc/profile, /etc/bash.bashrc, .profile, .bashrc and don't see where 
it's set.  Interactive and non-interactive terminals.

Logging into a tty after starting e show the paths I expect shown in 
/etc/profile. I'm running Debian.

If I start terminology in e as user, echo $PATH has /opt/e18/bin: as
the first location, but if I become root, echo $PATH does not
have /opt/e18/bin.

Is the path to the enlightenment bin directory built into e at compile 
time? I just want to understand where that's being read from.

Thanks,

mike




how about trying this:

# grep -H -r -w PATH= {/etc,/opt,~/} | grep e18

to show you all files that mention e18 in the PATH var. You either see
it spelled out or not. That should show whether e is setting it
internally from compiled code or not, from it's non-presence in the
grep output, or it'll show you the file where it's defined.

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Re: [e-users] E18 ESTART - SLEEP messages in .xsession-errors

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On Tue, 24 Dec 2013 01:43:49 -0200
Wido wido...@gmail.com wrote:

 and I think is really disturbing the fact that it writes 66k of logs
 in 30 seconds:
 
 ~/$  .xsession-errors  sleep 30  ls -lh .xsession-errors
 -rw--- 1 wido wido 66K dic 24 00:42 .xsession-errors
 ~/$ wc -l .xsession-errors
 6077 .xsession-errors
 
 
 I also think it's eating my CPU, as I'm seeing about 25% usage while
 E is idle
 

ln -sf /dev/null ~/.xsession-errors

:)

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Re: [e-users] e18 on Radeon? WAS: Terminology 0.4.0 is out!

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On Thu, 12 Dec 2013 06:49:23 +
Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wednesday 11 Dec 2013 21:50:41 Christopher Barry wrote:
 
  Mick, can you post your /var/log/Xorg.0.log on pastebin or
  somewhere for me? I'm assuming you are using the opengl compositing
  with radeon driver. I think I may have some remnants of ati stuff
  on my box, and would like to see what your log says.
  
  Thanks!
 
 Here you go:
 
   http://pastebin.com/edFZPTbr
 

Thanks. I've got the Radeon OSS driver running correctly now on my
Radeon HD 7850 (PITCAIRN). It will do triplehead (aka Eyefinity) fine
with the OSS driver. The trick for me was to let X probe everything, but
use xrandr in a script file called from both /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
and /etc/X11/Xsession.d/45xrandr-layout (which I created) to organize
my screens correctly.

For me, the contents of the layout script was written by a handy
little app called 'arandr', and looks like this:

# screen layout script
#!/bin/bash
xrandr --output DisplayPort-0 --off \
  --output DVI-1 --mode 1920x1200 --pos 0x0 --rotate normal \
  --output DVI-0 --mode 1920x1200 --pos 1920x0 --rotate normal \
  --output HDMI-0 --off

I saved the script in /usr/bin/xrandr-screen-layout, and called it
from /etc/X11/Xsession.d/45xrandr-layout (a single line in there), and
from /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf, using the following config item:
display-setup-script=/usr/bin/xrandr-screen-layout

I wrote a full xorg.conf, but for some reason, because my DisplayPort-0
does not yet have my third monitor hooked up (I need a mini to regular
adaptor to make my active DP-DVI dongle work), I could not get the
xorg.conf working. It kept trying to put my first screen on the
DisplayPort-0 anyway, and I could not figure out how to tell X to not
use it :(. I'm sure there is a way and would LOVE to know how if anyone
knows.

Once I get the adaptor, and hookup DisplayPort-0, I'll modify the
script to enable correct placement of that third monitor too.

Took literally all f*(ing day to do it, but YAY - FINALLY everything is
working now!! I still see some stuff in my log I'm not keen on, like:

(II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling: disabled
(II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling 2D: disabled

and

(II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI2 capable
(II) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable
(II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized swrast
(II) GLX: Initialized DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0
(II) RADEON(0): Setting screen physical size to 508 x 317

but I think the latter has to do with DisplayPort-0 not being active
yet, and it's the card's primary port.

Hopefully this can help someone else wean themselves off of
the proprietary ATI/Catalyst/fglrx.

Next up: take the e18 plunge :)

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Re: [e-users] Atom to query root window for current active workspace?

[Christopher Barry]

On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:24:12 +0900
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Fri, 13 Dec 2013 03:43:09 +0100 EatsKittens
 temporalabstract...@gmail.com said:
 
  Is there any Atom to query the root window or any window for in
  Xlib to find out what the current active worksapce is,
  enlightenment does not seem to support the standard
  _NET_CURRENT_DESKTOP.
 
 nope. it doesn't. it doesn't export/expose this because netwm ideas
 of virtual desktops are way too primitive for e as e allows
 dsifferent desktops to be active on different screens (areas of the
 root window).
 

EatsKittens,

OK, completely unencumbered by knowledge here, this random thought (er,
hack) just came to me:

If you knew where the mouse pointer was, e.g. what screen it was on,
would that get you closer?

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Re: [e-users] e18 on Radeon? WAS: Terminology 0.4.0 is out!

[Christopher Barry]

mega-snip...

Wow all. I'm the OP, and seriously did not mean to cause such a stir or
abrade old wounds with rock salt or anything.

I guess the bottom line is really we all get to use Enlightenment for
FREE!. And we love it. It's Raster's baby, and he has the right to do
anything he damn well pleases with it. Period. If we don't like it,
we're free to fork it and provide fglrx functionality. Yeah, I'm using
fglrx (and it's a desktop card) so it's my issue. I too have many
issues with ATI beyond Enlightenment, so the suggestion from experience
was pretty well taken by me.

I'll admit, at first I was kinda mad, because compiz just 'worked', and
worked well. But after reading 'compiz' was hard coded into their
driver, I had to agree that their code is pretty lame. I tend to defer
to and respect the knowledge and experience of others. (There isn't
enough time to make all the mistakes yourself...)

Anyway, I'll be getting an nvidia card pretty soon most likely. Anyone
know of a good one that can drive three DVI 1920x1200 monitors on
Linux? 


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