Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Jason, String theory predicts that there may be as much as 10^90 Calabi-Yau compact manifold per cc. Richard On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Stephen Paul King < > stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > >> Hi Liz, >> >> Yes! Consider

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 20:34, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 11:26 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 17 December 2013 19:01, meekerdb wrote: > >> I know. I was just taking 10^80 to mean "a very big number" which of >> course depends on context. I generally do applied physics and engineering >> and so 10

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 19:06, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King < > stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > >> Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? >> > > I thought that was your position, or at least (observer

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 11:26 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 19:01, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: I know. I was just taking 10^80 to mean "a very big number" which of course depends on context. I generally do applied physics and engineering and so 10^80+1 = 10^80 for

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 19:01, meekerdb wrote: > I know. I was just taking 10^80 to mean "a very big number" which of > course depends on context. I generally do applied physics and engineering > and so 10^80+1 = 10^80 for physical variables. > That reminds me of a joke... ...but you've probably

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 18:06, Stephen Paul King wrote: > Dear LirZ, > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:52 PM, LizR wrote: > >> On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King >> wrote: >> >>> Dear LizR, >>> >>> That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be >>> an observer in such

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 17:58, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Stephen Paul King < > stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > >> An observer in such a univer could never count to 17... >> >> > Did you know you can count up to 1023 on your fingers? I'll leave it as > an exerci

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 10:13 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb > wrote: On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King mailto:stephe...@provensecure.com>> wrote: Yes, but

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:17 AM, Stephen Paul King < stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > I agree with Jason! > > Great :-) Now all I need to do is convince you that 17 is prime without anyone having to compute and confirm that fact, and then you will have an explanation for why you believe you

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:16 AM, Stephen Paul King < stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > Hi Jason, > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King < >> stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: >> >>> Yes, but why are you bein

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Hi Jason, On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:02 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King < > stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > >> Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? >> > > I thought that was your position, or at least (observer-centric), in that > nu

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

I agree with Jason! On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King < >> stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: >> >>>

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King < > stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > >> Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? >> > > I thought that was your position, or at le

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 9:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:11 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/16/2013 6:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 12/16/2013 2:27

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 10:02 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King > wrote: Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? I thought that was your position, or at least (observer-centric), in that numbers only have properties

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Stephen Paul King < stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? > I thought that was your position, or at least (observer-centric), in that numbers only have properties when observed/checked/computed by some entity somewhere.

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 9:49 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 12/16/2013 8:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King mailto:stephe...@provensecure.com>> wrote: Dear LizR, That i

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Yes, but why are you being anthropocentric? If there can exist a physical process that is a bisimulation of the computation of the test for primeness, then the primeness is true. Otherwise, we are merely guessing, at best. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:54 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > So you are arguin

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 9:36 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:11 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 12/16/2013 6:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/16/2013 2:27 PM, Jaso

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

So you are arguing that doing the computations is what makes a number prime or not? When does the number first become prime, is it when the first person anywhere in the universe checks it? What about people beyond the cosmological horizon that compute it, or what about people in hypothetical other

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

I do not assume that computations can occur if there are no physical means to implement them. My imagination that s 270 digit string is prime is not equivalent to actually doing the computation that tests for primeness. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:47 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 16

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:45 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 8:52 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King > wrote: > >> Dear LizR, >> >>That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be >> an observer in such a universe, it's far too simple.

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:33 PM, Stephen Paul King < stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > No, your making the mistake of identifying a representation of a thing > with the thing. The symbol 10^80 does not have 10^80 components, so to act > as it is does... > > Tell me this, is the following (270

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 8:52 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King > wrote: Dear LizR, That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be an observer in such a universe, it's far too simple." There could not be one

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:11 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 6:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/16/2013 2:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 12/16/2013 12:40 P

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

No, your making the mistake of identifying a representation of a thing with the thing. The symbol 10^80 does not have 10^80 components, so to act as it is does... On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Stephen Paul King < > stephe...@prove

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Observables, in general, have been shown to not commute, contra the Classical assumptions of observables. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 6:54 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 17 December 2013 15:50, meekerdb wrote: > >> I don't see that it follows. Just like Shannon

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

In finite time and with a finite minimal action? NO! On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 12:17 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 6:31 PM, LizR wrote: > >> Are you saying 17 may evolve to no longer be prime? >> >> :) >> > > Actually it did. It became a real and infinitely divisible. > > Brent > > > -- >

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Stephen Paul King < stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > Dear LirZ, > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:52 PM, LizR wrote: > >> On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King >> wrote: >> >>> Dear LizR, >>> >>> That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'Ther

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 6:54 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 15:50, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: I don't see that it follows. Just like Shannon's information and Boltzmann's entropy, the domains are very much related so it's no surprise that we can carry over some math

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 6:31 PM, LizR wrote: Are you saying 17 may evolve to no longer be prime? :) Actually it did. It became a real and infinitely divisible. Brent -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group a

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Hi Brent, Could you elaborate on how "...there is no way to know when a simulation would have succeeded in creating them" might be a sound claim? A simulation, like a recording, cannot do anything other than, perhaps, convincing some fool that it is something that it is not. On Tue, Dec 17, 20

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 6:17 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 12/16/2013 2:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Dear LirZ, On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 11:52 PM, LizR wrote: > On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King > wrote: > >> Dear LizR, >> >> That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be an >> observer in such a universe, it's far too simple." There could not be one >> wheref

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Stephen Paul King < stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > An observer in such a univer could never count to 17... > > Did you know you can count up to 1023 on your fingers? I'll leave it as an exercise to figure out how. ;-) Jason -- You received this message be

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Stephen Paul King < stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > Hi Liz, > > Yes! Consider a universe with only 16 objects in it. > > > Our observable universe has less than 10^100 things in it, yet the HTTPS connection to my mail server relied on prime numbers of many h

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 16:22, Stephen Paul King wrote: > Dear LizR, > > That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be an > observer in such a universe, it's far too simple." There could not be one > wherefore "he could deduce the existence of 17 theoretically, and work > out i

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Dear LizR, That is exactly the point that I wanted to make: 'There couldn't be an observer in such a universe, it's far too simple." There could not be one wherefore "he could deduce the existence of 17 theoretically, and work out its properties" is impossible: probability zero. We could neve

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 15:50, meekerdb wrote: > I don't see that it follows. Just like Shannon's information and > Boltzmann's entropy, the domains are very much related so it's no surprise > that we can carry over some math developed for Newtonian physics and apply > it to quantum physics. After

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

There couldn't be an observer in such a universe, it's far too simple. But if there was one, he could deduce the existence of 17 theoretically, and work out its properties. On 17 December 2013 15:48, Stephen Paul King wrote: > An observer in such a univer could never count to 17... > > > On Mon,

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 6:28 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 14:54, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: You asked where does the unreasonable effectiveness come from. Maybe I should have asked what you thought Wigner was referring to. I don't think he was referring to 'all p

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

An observer in such a univer could never count to 17... On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:42 PM, LizR wrote: > On 17 December 2013 15:34, Stephen Paul King > wrote: > >> Hi Liz, >> >> Yes! Consider a universe with only 16 objects in it. >> > > What about it? > > -- > You received this message becau

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Hi LizR, For example, the commutator that relates observables to each other is different. The statistical relations that can be used to accurately model experimental data is different. Most importantly, the ontologies are very different. Classical physics allows a Laplacean observer to exist,

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 15:34, Stephen Paul King wrote: > Hi Liz, > > Yes! Consider a universe with only 16 objects in it. > What about it? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emai

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 15:33, Stephen Paul King wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM, LizR wrote: > "My point, such as it is, is that we can use the same maths for both the > Newtonian domain in which things behave "roughly according to common sense" > and the quantum domain in which the

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Hi Liz, Yes! Consider a universe with only 16 objects in it. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:31 PM, LizR wrote: > Are you saying 17 may evolve to no longer be prime? > > :) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > T

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Hi, On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:28 PM, LizR wrote: "My point, such as it is, is that we can use the same maths for both the Newtonian domain in which things behave "roughly according to common sense" and the quantum domain in which they very much don't. The fact that the same maths applies to these

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Are you saying 17 may evolve to no longer be prime? :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Hi Liz My $.0001. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:23 PM, LizR wrote: > On 17 December 2013 14:03, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/16/2013 4:41 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 17 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> >>> In a sense, one can be more certain about arithmetical reality than >>> the phy

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 14:54, meekerdb wrote: > You asked where does the unreasonable effectiveness come from. Maybe I > should have asked what you thought Wigner was referring to. I don't think > he was referring to 'all possible mathematics' like Tegmark was. Or even > all computable functions

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

Amen to that, Brent! On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:03 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 4:41 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 17 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb wrote: > >> >> In a sense, one can be more certain about arithmetical reality than >> the physical reality. An evil demon could be responsible

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 6:07 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 2:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> JKC makes a big point of the complete separ

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 5:23 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 14:03, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/16/2013 4:41 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: In a sense, one can be more certain about arithmetical real

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 14:03, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 4:41 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 17 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb wrote: > >> >> In a sense, one can be more certain about arithmetical reality than >> the physical reality. An evil demon could be responsible for our belief in >> atoms, a

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 4:41 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: In a sense, one can be more certain about arithmetical reality than the physical reality. An evil demon could be responsible for our belief in atoms, and stars, and photon

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 13:07, meekerdb wrote: > > In a sense, one can be more certain about arithmetical reality than the > physical reality. An evil demon could be responsible for our belief in > atoms, and stars, and photons, etc., but it is may be impossible for that > same demon to give us the e

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 2:27 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: JKC makes a big point of the complete separ

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 2:05 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 10:43, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: Is that another way of saying you don't think Arithmetical Realism is correct? (Which is fair enough, of course, it is a supposition.) Yes. I think it is a questionable hypot

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:14 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb wrote: > >> JKC makes a big point of the complete separation of quantum worlds, >> although Everett didn't write about multiple worlds. Everett only >> considered one

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 10:43, meekerdb wrote: > Is that another way of saying you don't think Arithmetical Realism is > correct? (Which is fair enough, of course, it is a supposition.) > >Yes. I think it is a questionable hypothesis. > Yes, I think so too on days with an 'R' in them. Well if y

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 1:30 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 10:14, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: JKC makes a big point of the complete separation of quantum

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 10:14, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb wrote: > >> JKC makes a big point of the complete separation of quantum worlds, >> although Everett didn't write about multiple worlds. Everett only >> considered one world

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 12:40 PM, LizR wrote: On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: JKC makes a big point of the complete separation of quantum worlds, although Everett didn't write about multiple worlds. Everett only considered one world and wrote about t

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 17 December 2013 09:02, meekerdb wrote: > You always refer to "central" banks. But all banks always did this. The > bank would take 1M$ in deposits and then make 10M$ in loans, depending on > the fact that statistically only a few depositors would ask for their money > at any one time. So t

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 08:06, meekerdb wrote: > JKC makes a big point of the complete separation of quantum worlds, > although Everett didn't write about multiple worlds. Everett only > considered one world and wrote about the "relative state" of the observer > and the observed system. In some way

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 12/16/2013 12:53 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 12/15/2013 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Dec 2013, at 23:27, LizR wrote: I haven't had a chance to watch it, but I do know that ba

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 12/16/2013 12:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Dec 2013, at 17:04, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: >>> you know in Helsinki that you will survive and feel to be in only one city with probability o

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 17 December 2013 07:30, John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:53 PM, LizR wrote: > >> > What doesn't make sense about number 4 (the MWI explanation of indeterminacy) ? >>> > It adds nothing to number 3, > It adds a better explanation to number 3, and removes an adhoc postul

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> to judge the quality of the prediction about which cities the Helsinki > Man will see, you've got to hear what the Washington Man has to say too if > you want to know if the prediction was correct; > > > Yes. And in the step 3 case, both

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 3:53 PM, LizR wrote: >> >>> As I said you confuse "indeterminacy" (the general vague concept) >>> with the many different sort of indeterminacy: >>> 1) by ignorance on initial conditions (example: the coin), that is a 3p >>> indeterminacy. >>> 2) Turing form of indete

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 16 Dec 2013, at 09:59, LizR wrote: On 16 December 2013 21:52, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Dec 2013, at 21:43, LizR wrote: On 16 December 2013 06:46, Bruno Marchal wrote: Perhaps "politician" should not be a profession. We would vote for programs and ideas, and let them implemented by

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 16 December 2013 21:52, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 15 Dec 2013, at 21:43, LizR wrote: > > On 16 December 2013 06:46, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> Perhaps "politician" should not be a profession. We would vote for >> programs and ideas, and let them implemented by a random sample of the >> po

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On 15 Dec 2013, at 21:43, LizR wrote: On 16 December 2013 06:46, Bruno Marchal wrote: Perhaps "politician" should not be a profession. We would vote for programs and ideas, and let them implemented by a random sample of the population through some social services, or by well sworn robots

Re: How the banks are stealing our wealth

On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 5:59 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 12/15/2013 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 14 Dec 2013, at 23:27, LizR wrote: >> >> I haven't had a chance to watch it, but I do know that banks are stealing >> our weal

Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?

On 15 Dec 2013, at 17:04, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 4:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> you know in Helsinki that you will survive and feel to be in only one city with probability one >> That depends, Is "You" the Helsinki Man or the Moscow Man or the Washington Man or J