Re: The American Taliban

Am Di, 31. Aug 2021, um 13:10, schrieb John Clark: > [...] > > Hmm that would explain why you refuse to sign your real name to your > screeds, in a way I can sympathize, if I held your opinions I'd be ashamed of > them too. John, I mostly agree with you on this ongoing (and rather boring

Re: there is no ultimate essence

Am Di, 24. Aug 2021, um 23:34, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 8/24/2021 11:54 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:00:34 PM UTC+2 telmo wrote: >>> I haven't read "Physics for the Feeble-Minded" (yet?), but something caught >>> my attention in the

Re: there is no ultimate essence

Am Di, 24. Aug 2021, um 20:54, schrieb Tomas Pales: > On Tuesday, August 24, 2021 at 1:00:34 PM UTC+2 telmo wrote: >> __ >> I haven't read "Physics for the Feeble-Minded" (yet?), but something caught >> my attention in the review below: >>

there is no ultimate essence

I haven't read "Physics for the Feeble-Minded" (yet?), but something caught my attention in the review below: https://theamericanscholar.org/physics-for-the-feeble-minded/ "Rovelli’s short answer to this and other bizarre takes on quantum weirdness: Nonsense! His real purpose is to posit his

Re: A minimally conscious program

Am Mi, 28. Apr 2021, um 20:51, schrieb Brent Meeker: > > > On 4/28/2021 9:54 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> Am Di, 27. Apr 2021, um 04:07, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: >>> It certainly seems likely that any brain or AI that can perceive s

Re: A minimally conscious program

Am Di, 27. Apr 2021, um 04:07, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > It certainly seems likely that any brain or AI that can perceive sensory > events and form an inner narrative and memory of that is conscious in a sense > even if they are unable to act. This is commonly the

Re: A minimally conscious program

Am Mo, 26. Apr 2021, um 17:16, schrieb John Clark: > On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 10:45 AM Terren Suydam > wrote: > >> > It's impossible to refute solipsism > > True, but it's equally impossible to refute the idea that everything > including rocks is conscious. And if both a theory and its exact

Re: A minimally conscious program

Am Mo, 26. Apr 2021, um 10:49, schrieb John Clark: > On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 4:29 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> *> It is quite easy, I think, to define a program that "remembers" (stores >> and later retrieves ( information.* > > I agree. And for an emotion like pain write a program such that

Re: Qualia and communicability

Hi Jason, I believe that you are alluding to what is known in Cognitive Science as the "Symbol Grounding Problem": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_grounding_problem My intuition goes in the same direction as yours, that of "procedural semantics". Furthermore, I am inclined to believe that

Re: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg

> >> There is also Boris Johnson, who is Britain's Trump, Bolsonaro, who is >> Brazil's Trump, etc. > > Maybe for Bolsonaro. But Boris Johnson is not comparable to Trump. I did fear > that he could be like Trump, but he is not. Johnson is not an enemy of > democracy. Trump is. That’s what I

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

Am Do, 11. Mär 2021, um 04:43, schrieb Jason Resch: > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021, 8:00 PM spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: >> Well for this knuckle dragging savage, I compulsively am driven towards how >> can our species make use of science and philosophy to make life better? We >>

Re: Why Does Anything Exist?

Am Do, 11. Mär 2021, um 18:05, schrieb John Clark: > > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 8:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> *> So if 2+2=4, then thoughts exist.* > > But if I think 2+2 = 5 then thoughts still exist, Which goes to show that just by adding the two words "I think" to an interesting

Re: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg

Am Fr, 26. Feb 2021, um 02:29, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 2/25/2021 4:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > With the mainstream adoption of the Internet, in the early 2000s, > > political campaigns were reinvented (data-driven, highly targeted li

Re: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg

Am Fr, 26. Feb 2021, um 02:16, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 2/25/2021 11:30 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Are you sure that any of that stuff really matters? To be clear, I am > > against tearing down some of those agreements. I do think t

Re: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg

Am Do, 25. Feb 2021, um 18:39, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 2/25/2021 2:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 24 Feb 2021, at 15:30, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> As an outside observer, I can't help but notice the followin

Re: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg

Am Do, 25. Feb 2021, um 10:55, schrieb Bruno Marchal: > >> On 24 Feb 2021, at 15:30, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> As an outside observer, I can't help but notice the following pattern in >> American politics: every presidential election is now seen as a >&g

Re: Q Anon is the tip of the iceberg

As an outside observer, I can't help but notice the following pattern in American politics: every presidential election is now seen as a civilization-threatening event, where each side believes that the other side is literally pure evil in its crystalized form, and that if they win, life as we

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

Am Fr, 19. Feb 2021, um 21:18, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 2/19/2021 8:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> Am Fr, 19. Feb 2021, um 05:59, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: >>> >>> >>> On 2/18/2021

Re: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Falling Outward (was: Words, definitions, and Many "Worlds")

Am Fr, 19. Feb 2021, um 05:59, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 2/18/2021 8:54 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: >> God is One and Only! > > But **which** one and only God? Agdistis or Angdistis, Ah Puch, Ahura Mazda, > Alberich, Allah, Amaterasu, An, Anansi, Anat, Andvari,

Re: Evolution 2.0 Prize - $10 million

Am Mi, 20. Jan 2021, um 23:52, schrieb spudboy100 via Everything List: > For Chemistry, specifically biochemistry, we still cannot after 70 years(?) > go beyond the Stanley Miller-Harold Urey experiment to see if the can run a > chemical process that starts with elements and leads to even simple

Re: Irreducible randomness in QM

Am Mo, 21. Dez 2020, um 21:35, schrieb Bruce Kellett: > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 10:56 PM John Clark wrote: >> >> On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 1:38 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> *> MWI is incompatible with the Born Rule* >> >> How do you figure that? > > > It's easy enough. MWI from the

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

Come on Philip, don't be so gloomy, the Saturnalia is upon us! You're going to ruin our crops with your attitude. Am Fr, 18. Dez 2020, um 19:57, schrieb Philip Benjamin: > [*Telmo Menezes*] > “Imagine the "universe" in terms of the set of all first-person experience > mo

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

Am Do, 17. Dez 2020, um 20:15, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 12/16/2020 11:29 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> Am Do, 17. Dez 2020, um 03:08, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: >>> >>> >>> On 12/16/2020

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

Am Do, 17. Dez 2020, um 03:08, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 12/16/2020 9:20 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> Am So, 13. Dez 2020, um 17:11, schrieb Bruno Marchal: >>> >>>> On 10 Dec 2020, at 16:14, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>>

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

Am Di, 15. Dez 2020, um 21:32, schrieb Lawrence Crowell: > I think with cyber-neural interlinks where we will have thoughts and > sensations communicated we will come maybe to some understanding. The barrier > between subjectivity and objectivity will be at least partially penetrated. You can

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

Am Di, 15. Dez 2020, um 02:22, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > I agree. I'm an advocate of the engineering solution to the "hard problem > of consciousness". When we can build AI's that act intelligently and explain > their conscious thoughts and we can adjust them so that they

Re: Consciousness and number self-reference (was Re: A universe where everything exists?)

Am So, 13. Dez 2020, um 17:11, schrieb Bruno Marchal: > >> On 10 Dec 2020, at 16:14, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Mindey asked a very interesting question, and I've been thinking about it >> while following the discussion. I don't have a good answer, but I might

Re: A universe where everything exists?

Am Do, 10. Dez 2020, um 20:48, schrieb PGC: > > > On Thursday, December 10, 2020 at 4:14:42 PM UTC+1 telmo wrote: >> __ >> Mindey asked a very interesting question, and I've been thinking about it >> while following the discussion. I don't have a good answer, but I might have >> a good

Re: A universe where everything exists?

experience before. Telmo. > > Brent > > > On 12/10/2020 7:14 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> Mindey asked a very interesting question, and I've been thinking about it >> while following the discussion. I don't have a good answer, but I might have >> a good

Re: A universe where everything exists?

Mindey asked a very interesting question, and I've been thinking about it while following the discussion. I don't have a good answer, but I might have a good question. I propose another take: the discussion so far has been in terms of quanta, but what if we reframed it in terms of qualia?

Re: The Conscious Turing Machine

A long time ago I read a self-help book (don't judge me) that included a story that goes something like this: A workers team is cleaning a forest. A wise guy climbs the tallest tree and shouts: "wrong forest!". The manager replies: "shut up, we're making progress!". Telmo Am Di, 24. Nov 2020,

Re: Trump is on drugs

Am Di, 13. Okt 2020, um 00:15, schrieb Lawrence Crowell: > On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:46:45 PM UTC-5 Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 10/12/2020 2:12 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >>> Human minds can ask questions, computers outside of pre-programmed prompts >>> do not. >> >> Untrue. It's quite

Re: Trump is on drugs

Hi Lawrence, Am So, 11. Okt 2020, um 14:21, schrieb Lawrence Crowell: > On Sunday, October 11, 2020 at 8:06:10 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 Lawrence Crowell via >> Everything List wrote: >> >> [Me] Nations? People? You're showing a remarkable lack of

Turing Tests and Other Things of That Nature

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Re: Sharpiegate

Am Do, 30. Jul 2020, um 17:16, schrieb John Clark: > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:27 AM Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> __ >> > ***I disapprove of Trump and everything he stands for as much as you do. I >> > detest him. He is an incompetent narcissist, and hi

Re: Sharpiegate

I disapprove of Trump and everything he stands for as much as you do. I detest him. He is an incompetent narcissist, and his election as the president of the USA was a nightmare come true. With that out of the way: I think that the current extreme political polarization of all things is doing

Re: Seeing numbers.

Could be an elaborate lie to avoid math homework. Telmo. Am Mo, 22. Jun 2020, um 23:55, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-insight-awareness.html > > So much for the arithmetical theory of awareness.  :-) > > Brent > > > > -- > You received

Re: Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

Am So, 14. Jun 2020, um 09:40, schrieb Bruno Marchal: > >> On 13 Jun 2020, at 22:22, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> Am Sa, 13. Jun 2020, um 05:01, schrieb Brent Meeker: >>> >>> >>> On 6/12/2020 9:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: &

Re: Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

Am So, 14. Jun 2020, um 09:23, schrieb Bruno Marchal: > >> On 12 Jun 2020, at 11:55, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> I've been reading here often the claim that physics is about the "real >> stuff" and math is a human constructi

Re: Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

Am Sa, 13. Jun 2020, um 08:07, schrieb Jason Resch: > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 4:56 AM Telmo Menezes wrote: >> __ >> Hello all, >> >> I've been reading here often the claim that physics is about the "real >> stuff" and math is a human

Re: Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

Am Sa, 13. Jun 2020, um 05:01, schrieb Brent Meeker: > > > On 6/12/2020 9:25 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> Am Sa, 13. Jun 2020, um 04:08, schrieb Brent Meeker: >>> >>> >>> On 6/12/2020 8:12 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>>>

Re: Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

Am Fr, 12. Jun 2020, um 18:39, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > > > On 6/12/2020 2:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I've been reading here often the claim that physics is about the "real >> stuff" and math is a

Mathematical realism (a tought experiment)

Hello all, I've been reading here often the claim that physics is about the "real stuff" and math is a human construction that helps us make sense of the real stuff, but it is just an approximation of reality. So here's a thought experiment on this topic. Let us imagine I program a digital

Re: Universe as a simulated strange loop

Am Do, 7. Mai 2020, um 16:30, schrieb Bruno Marchal: > > > On 6 May 2020, at 12:58, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > > > > Am Mi, 6. Mai 2020, um 10:41, schrieb Bruno Marchal: > >> > >>> On 5 May 2020, at 2

Re: Universe as a simulated strange loop

Am Mi, 6. Mai 2020, um 10:41, schrieb Bruno Marchal: > > > On 5 May 2020, at 21:25, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 5/5/2020 4:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> Physics works very well, to make prediction but as metaphysics, as the > >> Platonist greeks

Re: Universe as a simulated strange loop

Am Mo, 4. Mai 2020, um 12:15, schrieb Lawrence Crowell: > On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 10:14:10 PM UTC-5, smitra wrote: >> On 03-05-2020 23:09, Philip Thrift wrote: >> > The SSH >> > >> > https://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/22/2/247 >> > >> > still lies in the "information turn" that plays in

Re: Maybe things are getting better in the US

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, at 21:05, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > Economic collapse, is a disease all it's own. The Swedes came up with a model > different from ours, and their EU neighbors, like the Netherlands, Belgium, > France. They are approaching one order of magnitude more deaths

Re: The Natural Number Game

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020, at 09:00, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 9 Apr 2020, at 13:49, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> This is a lot of fun: >> https://wwwf.imperial.ac.uk/~buzzard/xena/natural_number_game/ >> >> I suspect most of you hear will enjoy it.

The Natural Number Game

This is a lot of fun: https://wwwf.imperial.ac.uk/~buzzard/xena/natural_number_game/ I suspect most of you hear will enjoy it. Stay healthy! Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: COVID-19 needs a Manhattan Project

Oh man... I am relived to read that you are recovering. Hope that you are 100% healthy soon! Best wishes, Telmo On Wed, Apr 8, 2020, at 01:39, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: > This virus is, for some, very serious. I live in one of the first affected > areas in King County, WA

Re: Best lecture (so far) on 'consciousness'

On Sun, Apr 5, 2020, at 13:18, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 7:26:02 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 4 Apr 2020, at 22:33, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> >>> I quite agree with Strawson that physics, and science in general, doesn't >>>

Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019, at 07:24, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > @telmo, same species means same type of consciousness. "Species" is mostly a convention for creating taxonomies of organisms. In school we learn that organisms belong to the same species if they can mate and produce

Re: Quantum immortality

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 22:56, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 3:53 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> On 16 Sep 2019, at 05:51, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> wrote: >>> On 9/15/2019 6:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: And memory is fallible, and memory of age has no more

Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 19:19, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 9/16/2019 2:51 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 09:32, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: >>> Any consciousness that invents that idea in itself. >> &

Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 12:57, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 12:51, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: >> But is trivial that there is interpersonal communication given the fact that >> we are from the same species. > > I

Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 12:51, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > But is trivial that there is interpersonal communication given the fact that > we are from the same species. Isn't "species" just an idea in consciousness? I'm trying to score a joke at your expense, I really don't

Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 11:49, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > "Brain" is just an idea in consciousness. Perhaps. But so what? Do you agree or not that there is interpersonal communication going on? If you do agree, then how do you explain the common ground between your

Re: Why Consciousness Cannot Be Algorithmic

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019, at 09:32, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > Any consciousness that invents that idea in itself. Ok, but we clearly have some common ground. I can send you this message and you can read it. Here's my simplistic / informal understanding of what is going on... Like

Re: Quantum immortality

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, at 07:01, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > *Re: Quantum immortality* > * * > ** > Noting that changing a "Subject" in an emailer does not change the Topic It's not a change of topic, it's a fork :) You can continue the original thread. Telmo. > > "The Delusion of

Re: Quantum immortality

On Wed, Sep 11, 2019, at 00:18, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 9/10/2019 4:30 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > Another argument that has been given here before is that if quantum > > immortality is true, then we should expect to see a number of people > > who are

Super Heaven

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Re: Observation versus assumption

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, at 11:06, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Jul 2019, at 20:31, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 17:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 7/23/2019 11:5

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 17:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 7/23/2019 11:52 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 17:33, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > >> > >> On 7/23/2019 4:50 AM, Telmo Menezes wr

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 18:08, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 8:18:09 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: >> >> Brent argues that the consciousness problem will be solved by building AIs >> that behave in such a way as to convince us they are conscious. My point is >> that

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 07:58, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 5:25 PM Telmo Menezes wrote: >> __ >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 07:08, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 4:52 PM Telmo Menezes >>> wrote: >>>>

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 07:08, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 4:52 PM Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> I attended a presentation the other day of a psychologist who is >> investigating the sort of relationships that people develop with voice >> assista

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 17:33, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 7/23/2019 4:50 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Hi Brent, > > > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, at 22:04, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > >> > >> On 7/19/201

Re: The origin of life has not been explained

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 18:26, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 9:23:45 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 14:15, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 8:56:07 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: On Tue, Jul 23,

Re: The origin of life has not been explained

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 14:15, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 8:56:07 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 13:45, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> Keep in mind there is no consciousness without matter. >> >> Is there matter without consciousness?

Re: The origin of life has not been explained

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 13:45, Philip Thrift wrote: > > Keep in mind there is no consciousness without matter. Is there matter without consciousness? Telmo. > > @philipthrift > > > On Tuesday, July 23, 2019 at 7:30:20 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: >> Keep in mind that life is linked to

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, at 18:37, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 1:33 PM Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> >* **How do you decide if something is a Turing Machine or not? * > > X is a Turing Machine if and only if for any given input to X there exists a > Turing M

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, at 22:04, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 7/19/2019 4:49 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > I share their perplexity. The idea of immaterialism is natural (and > > arises thousands of years ago), because the only thing that

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, at 16:01, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 4:52 AM Telmo Menezes wrote: >> __ > >> > ***Nobody ever used the Turing Machine as an architecture for computation,* > > Everybody's architecture for computation without exception ca

Re: Observation versus assumption

Hi Philip, On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, at 10:18, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Friday, July 19, 2019 at 3:52:05 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: >> >> >> ... >> You insist that nobody has been able to produce a computer without using >> matter. I agree. What you refuse to consider is the possibility that

What a strange world this mailing list is...

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Re: Observation versus assumption

On Thu, Jul 18, 2019, at 20:09, John Clark wrote: > On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 11:31 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >>> >> A Turing Machine is compatible with both pure mathematics and pure >>> >> physics, but Lambda Calculus is compatible only with pure mathematics. >> >> *Why?* > > Ask Alonzo

Re: subjective experience

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, at 00:37, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 12:55 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> On 16 Jul 2019, at 13:44, PGC wrote: >>> On Monday, July 15, 2019 at 1:53:11 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: I don’t understand well what you say. >>> >>> Nobody,

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 19:18, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 25 Jun 2019, at 12:27, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, at 08:30, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >>> So Feyerabend can't tell ISIS from NASA or the National Academy of Science

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, at 20:32, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 6/26/2019 7:18 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, at 00:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 6:24 AM Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>>

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, at 00:38, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 6:24 AM Quentin Anciaux wrote: >> >> Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 22:00, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> a écrit : >>> On 6/24/2019 12:56 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: Le lun. 24 juin 2019 à 20:52, 'Brent

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, at 08:30, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > So Feyerabend can't tell ISIS from NASA or the National Academy of Science > from the Papacy. My mother is fairly religious. She goes to church every Sunday and she particularly likes the Virgin Mary. She is aware that

Re: A purely relational ontology?

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019, at 13:59, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Jun 2019, at 02:41, Pierz wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 8:58:49 PM UTC+10, telmo wrote: >>> Hi Pierz, >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, at 04:15, Pierz wrote: I've been thinking and writing a lot

Re: A purely relational ontology?

Hi Pierz, On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, at 04:15, Pierz wrote: > > I've been thinking and writing a lot recently about a conception of reality > which avoids the debates about what is fundamental in reality. It seems to me > that with regards to materialism, we find it very difficult to escape the >

Re: What is computing?

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019, at 14:39, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 11 Jun 2019, at 11:09, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, at 20:22, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> >>> >>> On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 11:54:42 AM UTC

Re: What is computing?

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019, at 20:22, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Friday, June 7, 2019 at 11:54:42 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 6 Jun 2019, at 19:34, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> wrote: >>> [... *stuff on libertarianism*] >>> >>> I'm reminded of Bruno's theory that

Re: anrcho-libertarianism

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019, at 16:32, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 9:52 AM Telmo Menezes wrote: > >>> >> If the police worked for profit making corporations and every person >>> >> could choose which corporation to buy police protection from please

Re: anrcho-libertarianism

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019, at 15:16, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 7:56 AM Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > >> *> Even if a completely libertarian system were established, the >> corporations, banks and those at their top would pretty quickly go about >> forming a government to provide a

Re: Trump Supporters?

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019, at 16:59, Philip Benjamin wrote: > [*Philip Benjamin*] > Trump supporters? That is a phrase inappositely coined by America haters—i.e. > the Fascist, Marxist, Socialist, Progressive, Liberal, Humanist PAGANS > I went to Wikipedia to look for a definition of "liberal":

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

On Tue, May 28, 2019, at 13:56, John Clark wrote: > > > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 3:38 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 27 May 2019, at 14:19, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 7:19 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> I see. So according to the (neo) platonic perspective

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 27, 2019, at 09:57, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Sunday, May 26, 2019 at 7:34:27 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: >> >> >> On Tue, May 21, 2019 at 4:30 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Nobody knows the answer to the "hard problem of consciousness" because >> nobody knows

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

This mailing list has been going on for decades now. Bruno's ideas have been discussed a lot along the years, as well as other's. Unfortunately we do not have any central source to get you up to speed, but there are at least two books you can take a look at. One is the one that brought me here,

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

On Wed, May 22, 2019, at 07:35, Samiya Illias wrote: > I have just read several messages on various threads in this list about God. > I really don't know which one to answer to, nor do I wish to debate the > subject. It is God to choose and guide whoever He wills; I can only keep my > duty by

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Did you consider that maybe you had recently shared experiences / conversations / whatever that triggered similar dreams? Or that you woke up and saw the facebook message before dreaming but don't remember it? Or... You fight dogmatism precisely by trying to prove to yourself that you are

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 20, 2019, at 11:06, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 17 May 2019, at 08:56, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: >>>> On Fri, Ma

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Mon, May 20, 2019, at 20:55, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 5/20/2019 2:35 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> Physics (and the other sciences) are unreasonably effective at describing >>> and accounting for our experiences. Platonism does not have

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Fri, May 17, 2019, at 09:32, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 4:56 PM Telmo Menezes wrote: >> __ >> On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: >>>> On Fri, May 10, 2019 a

Re: My book "I Am" published on amazon

On Sat, May 11, 2019, at 00:02, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 8:16 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> Then with mechanism, we get the many-histories from a simple fact to prove: all computations are realised in all

Re: Is your elbow conscious?

On Thu, May 16, 2019, at 17:07, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > > > On 5/16/2019 6:29 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >>> You still need to explain why your elbow isn't conscious. >>> >>> Brent >> >> >> >> The elbow (the matter that is halfway down your arm between your shoulder >>

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

On Wed, May 15, 2019, at 13:42, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: > Also in cases of telepathy and precognitions the "technology" and the > "motivation" existed at the moment of their occurrence. Actually, it seems > that the conditions required for paranormal phenomena are being met way

Re: The anecdote of Moon landing

Well, I wasn’t born when it happened but my father watched it on TV. We can never be 100% sure of anything except that we are conscious, but the technology existed and so did the motivation. I find it astronomically more likely that they really went there than that they managed to maintain

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