Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Stephen, On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote: Hi Brent, I have had a couple of experiences that proved to me that there exists something like the theist God. Things that I can not explain otherwise are some kind of divine intervention that

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
understand the ideas in Mitra's paper correctly, wouldn't it require that you yourself had forgotten about the discussion? On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi Stephen, On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@charter.net wrote

Re: Do today's philosophers even think about the existence of God anymore?

2014-10-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
... On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Hi Telmo, One event involved an email exchange that I has with two people. We where discussing theories of emergent

philosophy tech support

2014-10-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
I suspect Everything List Tech Support would be quite similar! http://existentialcomics.com/comic/51 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: philosophy tech support

2014-10-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:40 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 10/22/2014 5:22 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: I suspect Everything List Tech Support would be quite similar! http://existentialcomics.com/comic/51 Metaphysics is a restaurant where they give you a 30,000 page menu

Re: philosophy tech support

2014-10-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 7:57 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 October 2014 01:22, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: I suspect Everything List Tech Support would be quite similar! http://existentialcomics.com/comic/51 Reminds me of Monty Python's philosophers' football

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 8:26 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 11/16/2014 2:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Nov 2014, at 08:45, LizR wrote: On 16 November 2014 07:42, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 12:39 PM, zibb...@gmail.com wrote: The

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: As Nicolás Gómez Dávila said (more or less): The modern man indulge itself thinking that he is a mechanism, but protest loudly when he is treated as such. I would argue that Gödel provides some excuse for this

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: As Nicolás Gómez Dávila said (more or less): The modern

All kids are born scientists

2014-11-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
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Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 7:45 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: A.I. is no closer than it was 20 or 30 or 40 years ago. Of one thing I am certain, someday computers will become more intelligent than any human who ever lived using any measure of intelligence you care to name. And

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Alberto, You talk of advancement of society, so this implies some collective goal. What is the goal, in your view? Cheers Telmo. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: I laugh at the anthropological optimists that are confident that humans will be

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 5:56 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: All the AI we have so far gives as a little from a lot. The real goal of AI is to get a lot from a little. A human translator can't get good

Re: Edge: Myth of A.I.

2014-11-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
. And the best way to advance self interest is indeed to use ideology to hide deleterious self interests behind any true or false good or bad collective interest already existent or promoted as such. 2014-11-24 13:01 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: Hi Alberto, You talk of advancement

Re: My latest crossword

2014-11-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
I shouldn't have clicked this. Please tell me you will post the solutions so I can have some peace. On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 7:36 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: http://mayaofauckland.wordpress.com/2014/11/25/do-quantum-mechanics-overcharge-not-after-renormalisation/ In case anyone out

Re: real A.I.

2014-11-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
Nice :) One of the funny things about our sense of self-importance is that we imagine super-intelligent entities trying to destroy us, but we rarely consider the possibility that they would just have no desire to interact with us. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 8:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: real A.I.

2014-11-27 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 26 Nov 2014, at 14:42, Telmo Menezes wrote: Nice :) One of the funny things about our sense of self-importance is that we imagine super-intelligent entities trying to destroy us, but we rarely consider

Re: real A.I.

2014-11-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
another idea. What you say seems to support one or the other, depending on the mood. This fundamental indecision makes me a fellow agnostic. Cheers, Telmo. On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 5:29 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Bruno Marchal marc

Re: My latest crossword

2014-11-30 Thread Telmo Menezes
also supply hints on request :-) Also if you aren't familiar with cryptic crosswords, this may help... http://www.elnitsky.com/cryptic On 27 November 2014 at 02:37, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: I shouldn't have clicked this. Please tell me you will post the solutions so I

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-05 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:06 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/4/2014 8:05 PM, LizR wrote: I suspect that Bruno is differentiating physical existence from primary existence. What's the difference? Isn't physical existence the paradigmatic case? the example we point to when

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Dec 2014, at 17:20, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:06 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/4/2014 8:05 PM, LizR wrote: I suspect that Bruno is differentiating physical existence from

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 2:27 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 December 2014 at 05:20, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:06 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/4/2014 8:05 PM, LizR wrote: I suspect that Bruno is differentiating physical

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-08 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 06 Dec 2014, at 14:09, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Dec 2014, at 17:20, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:06 AM, meekerdb meeke

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:49 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 December 2014 at 23:36, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: You can notice the subtle change in the meaning of being a skeptic. The original meaning is very close to agnostic but it has been slowly sliding

Re: World's oldest computer may be older than previously thought

2014-12-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:30 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 5:22 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: At one time the human race was knowledgeable enough to construct the Antikythera Mechanism, but 200 years after it was made Jesus was born and

Re: Newcomb's Paradox

2014-12-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I started quite a lively debate at work recently by bringing up Newcomb's Paradox. We debated topics ranging from the prisoner's dilemma to the halting problem, from free will to retro causality, from first person

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 5:57 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/13/2014 3:05 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Its taking a problem, like global warming, and exaggerating that problem, so as to impose regulation. Its regulation, as the power to control. You want to

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 5:40 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 15 December 2014 at 13:57, spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Sent from AOL Mobile Mail But the market is sorting it out. Excuse me while I ROFL Similar hilarity may ensue from the

Re: Newcomb's Paradox

2014-12-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K_Foundation_Burn_a_Million_Quid Telmo. Jason On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: I started quite a lively debate at work recently by bringing

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Dec 2014, at 19:51, LizR wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who apparently don't believe in democracy, even in principle. Democracy is the idea that we can elect

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Liz, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who apparently don't believe in democracy, even in principle. Democracy is the idea that we can elect people to do things for everyone else

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:07 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/16/2014 10:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Liz, On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:51 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: What is funny - as well as sad and frightening - is the number of people here who apparently don't

Re: Democracy

2014-12-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Dec 2014, at 13:03, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Starting from the fact that The NHS was introduced by Bismark in the German Empire. for the same reasons that it is sustained today by democracies: populism. Since

Re: Democracy

2014-12-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:07 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/17/2014 8:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Dec 2014, at 13:03, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Starting from the fact that The NHS was introduced by Bismark in the German Empire. for the same reasons that it is

Re: Democracy

2014-12-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: That depend on what you call self interest. Understood in the narrow sense as sort term egoistic interest without a notion of common good, a democratic regime would not last a single year. It is evident, even a child

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Democracy is the worst system of government ever invented - apart from all the others. Winston Churchill So why didn't he revolt against his own country's unelected sovereigns? The fellow was full of contradictions: The best

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 8:08 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/18/2014 2:37 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 11:25 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Democracy is the worst system of government ever invented - apart from all the others. Winston Churchill

Re: Democracy

2014-12-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 6:12 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/18/2014 2:05 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 9:07 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/17/2014 8:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Dec 2014, at 13:03, Alberto G. Corona wrote

Re: Democracy

2014-12-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:24 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: They also failed to foresee that hand-held weapons would become so powerful. Are you sure that more powerful hand-held weapons would change their minds about the need to keep a balance of power between the government and the

Re: Democracy

2014-12-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: A democracy that legislate oppressive laws based on an ideology that is against economical, social or anthropological reality is an oppressive regime, no matter if it includes democratic in his name, while a

Re: Democracy

2014-12-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 10:32 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 December 2014 at 23:02, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 9:24 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: They also failed to foresee that hand-held weapons would become so powerful. Are you

Re: real A.I.

2014-12-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Dec 19, 2014 at 11:12 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Why didn't Churchill revolt? Well... He was a Tory and born into the nobility, part of an illustrious family, as well as being the Prime Minister who led the UK to victory against the Nazis. That probably made him feel

Re: I signed up to be cryogenically frozen

2014-12-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi John, What about supplements? Do you take anything to try to extend your lifespan meanwhile? There are a lot of ideas, with several degrees of support from research. One of the is the humble aspirin... I'm sure people here are familiar with Kurzweil's live long enough to live forever

Re: Democracy

2014-12-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Dec 2014, at 10:58, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Dec 2014, at 13:03, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Starting from the fact that The NHS

Re: Democracy

2014-12-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 3:55 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/21/2014 3:36 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: But it's not just the bandits, it's also game theory. Modern democracies suffer from a strong tendency to become Keynesian beauty contests. Very easily the optimal strategy

Re: Democracy

2014-12-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Dec 2014, at 00:36, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Dec 2014, at 10:58, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Bruno Marchal

Re: Democracy

2014-12-24 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 10:03 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 23 December 2014 at 00:07, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Modern societies provide more potential freedom, for sure. I could theoretically travel to almost any part of the world I desire and be there having

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Jan 2015, at 13:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Rex, Interesting read. I will just start with something I've been thinking about, along these lines (I believe). It is interesting that there are a number of models

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 8:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:48 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: If you completely discard the concept of truth and replace it entirely with evolutionary usefulness - does that change anything? I think it might. For example, suppose we all

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:49 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:56 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: the man who invented the condom transcend Darwinism. I disagree. We are all still all the product of Darwinist processes. We are all

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-22 Thread Telmo Menezes
reverberates on the term 'conscious' of course. A.S.O. John M On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:48 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: If you completely discard the concept of truth and replace it entirely with evolutionary usefulness - does that change

Re: Democracy

2015-01-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 6:58 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 14 Jan 2015, at 11:13, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:36 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/13/2015 7:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: You're using the term free as if it were some mystical

Re: Democracy

2015-01-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:23 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: -- *From:* spudboy100 via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Friday, January 16,

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:13 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/19/2015 10:40 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
Hi Rex, Interesting read. I will just start with something I've been thinking about, along these lines (I believe). It is interesting that there are a number of models of reality that are prima facie as plausible as any other but are more consistently rejected as lunacy, woo,

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-20 Thread Telmo Menezes
, perhaps as Lee Smolin indicates, stars, galaxies, black holes, etc as well? My interest and guess is that QI, and other such matters are based, deep, down, upon the knowledge of Digital Physics and Philosophy. Digi seems to rationally explain things. -Original Message- From: Telmo

Re: Free Speech is not Free unless it is allowed for every point of view

2015-01-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 10:15 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Seconded (I am allowed to say that, right?) Of course it isn't just France. And some countries go one step further and actively brainwash their citizens from an early age into thinking they are wonderful, and thus try to prevent

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Jan 2015, at 20:42, meekerdb wrote: On 1/18/2015 6:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: With the definition you gave in a preceding post, and with which I agree, everyone believe in some God. The question is always:

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:55 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: I would say the point here is not so much that we need to transcend Darwinism in the sense that the theory is insufficient, but because evolution has

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 20 Jan 2015, at 11:43 pm, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: These models tend to have something in common: they suggest that we are not what we appear to be, that we are not mortal or immortal because

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-21 Thread Telmo Menezes
, suppose we all share the same consciousness. It is evolutionary useful to maintain the illusion that this is not the case (thus my previous rant). Telmo. Rex On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 7:43 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Hi Rex, Interesting read. I will just start

Re: evangelizing robots

2015-02-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:42 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/10/2015 6:15 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The implication is that if you believe in universal personhood then even if you are selfish you will be motivated towards charity. If humans are any indication, a

Re: evangelizing robots

2015-02-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: If you define increased intelligence as decreased probability of having a false belief on any randomly chosen proposition, then superintelligences will be wrong on almost nothing, and their beliefs will converge as their

Re: evangelizing robots

2015-02-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:25 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Feb 2015, at 22:26, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Tue

Re: evangelizing robots

2015-02-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 4:53 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/11/2015 8:25 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 5:42 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/10/2015 6:15 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: The implication is that if you believe in universal

Re: Philip Ball, MWI skeptic

2015-02-19 Thread Telmo Menezes
Brent, What's your position on the MWI? Best, Telmo. On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 5:36 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Forwarded Message In July 2011, participants at a conference on the placid shore of Lake Traunsee in Austria were polled on what they thought the

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-26 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 6:15 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 7:48 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: That is incorrect. Evolution will favor whichever strategy is better in the *SHORT* run. There is a point where

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 10:15 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: Evolution will favour whichever strategy is better in the long run That is incorrect. Evolution will favor whichever strategy is better

Re: Manifesto Rex

2015-01-23 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:34 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/22/2015 4:05 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 8:27 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/21/2015 3:48 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: If you completely discard the concept of truth and replace

Re: Democracy

2015-01-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
*Subject:* Re: Democracy On 1/9/2015 4:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Money becomes coercive under statism, because it becomes illegal to use alternative currencies, operate outside of the banking and taxation system and so on. Banks used to issue their own script and in principle anyone could

Re: Democracy

2015-01-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: John, But trade need an environment where some force and some love are necessary. Trade without enforcement of contracts does not work. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary. Take Silk Road. By it's very

Re: Democracy

2015-01-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 7:19 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2015 2:00 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:24 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/9/2015 3:11 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote

Re: Democracy

2015-01-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-10 22:10 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 8:35 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: John, But trade need an environment where some force and some

Re: Democracy

2015-01-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-10 23:12 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-10 22:10 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com

Re: Democracy

2015-01-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-11 0:03 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-10 23:12 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com

Re: Democracy

2015-01-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:14 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2015 12:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 7:19 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2015 2:00 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 12:24 AM, meekerdb meeke

Re: Democracy

2015-01-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 12:29 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: sh Le 11 janv. 2015 00:21, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com a écrit : On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-11 0:03 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te

Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

2015-01-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 4:28 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sorry, but I can't let you say that charlie hebdo was a racist magazine... it's simply false, they were fundamentally against institutionalized religions, that's true... whatever they are, but racist certainly

Re: Democracy

2015-01-11 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-11 9:37 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 12:29 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: sh Le 11 janv. 2015 00:21, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com

Re: Democracy

2015-01-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-11 16:48 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-11 9:37 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com

Re: Democracy

2015-01-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/11/2015 12:27 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:14 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/10/2015 12:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 7:19 PM, meekerdb meeke

Re: Democracy

2015-01-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 4:05 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 7:22 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Bruno -- he is very respectful of other people's opinions and always argues the ideas without resorting to name calling. Just yesterday

Re: Democracy

2015-01-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-09 13:55 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-09 13:22 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com

Re: Democracy

2015-01-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 9:25 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/9/2015 4:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Money becomes coercive under statism, because it becomes illegal to use alternative currencies, operate outside of the banking and taxation system and so on. Banks used to issue

Re: Democracy

2015-01-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On 1/9/2015 4:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Money becomes coercive under statism, because it becomes illegal to use alternative currencies, operate outside of the banking and taxation system and so on. Banks used to issue their own script and in principle anyone could do it. The trouble

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 6:14 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-12 18:01 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: Ok, I think we ended up deviating from the reason why I introduced the silk road theme. You argued that free markets are not possible, that force

Re: Democracy

2015-01-13 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 7:13 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/12/2015 2:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/11/2015 12:27 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:14 AM, meekerdb meeke

Re: Democracy

2015-01-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:50 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: What would you suggest in place of a democracy? If we were starting from scratch I would suggest Anarcho-Capitalism, I think it would be far

Re: Democracy

2015-01-09 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-09 13:22 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com: On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 6:50 AM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:02 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote

Re: Democracy

2015-01-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
, was it not? What we've seen so far: the government creates a very hostile environment but free trade is such a powerful idea that it still survives in one form or another. Cheers Telmo. Regards Le 14 janv. 2015 01:00, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com a écrit : On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8

Re: Democracy

2015-01-14 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 8:36 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 1/13/2015 7:24 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: You're using the term free as if it were some mystical property like kosher or halal. A free market is simply free from regulation from a central authority, that's all. The silk

Re: Democracy

2015-01-12 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-12 15:45 GMT+01:00 Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-01-12 11:49 GMT+01:00 Telmo Menezes te

Re: evangelizing robots

2015-02-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: If you define increased intelligence as decreased probability

Re: evangelizing robots

2015-02-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 6:21 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Telmo Menezes te

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 7:26 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: Humans apply pressure on the floor when standing up, so Evolution is responsible for mass and gravity? No, but Evolution is responsible for the fact

Re: The world's most environmentally friendly car

2015-03-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 9:19 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: Are you proposing we laugh our way through the greatest extinction event since the dinosaurs bought it some sixty million years ago…. As we degrade and destroy this planet’s

Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness

2015-03-15 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 7:00 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/13/2015 10:26 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: or under anesthesia I'm not conscious You can't prove that. That's an assumption. That's logic chopping. There's a big gap between proven and assumed. In fact all

Re: The world's most environmentally friendly car

2015-03-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:34 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Well of course laughing AT people you dislike is a classic bullying technique. And then you say oh come on it was only a joke! Yet bullies never make jokes about themselves, because they are often humourless sociopaths. I

Humans Hold Anti-AI, Anti-Robot Protest in Texas

2015-03-16 Thread Telmo Menezes
http://en.yibada.com/articles/19837/20150316/humans-hold-anti-ai-robot-protest-sxsw-texas.htm I wonder how long before AIs hold an anti-human protest. Cheers Telmo. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: The world's most environmentally friendly car

2015-03-17 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 16 Mar 2015, at 11:47, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 12:34 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Well of course laughing AT people you dislike is a classic bullying technique. And then you say oh come

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