On 15 Apr 2013, at 21:26, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 4/14/2013 1:07:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, marc...@ulb.ac.be
writes:
NDE might helps people in stress situation, of after being wounded.
Given the fact that humans seems to fight since a long time, that
might convey so
In a message dated 4/14/2013 1:07:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
marc...@ulb.ac.be writes:
NDE might helps people in stress situation, of after being wounded. Given
the fact that humans seems to fight since a long time, that might convey
some evolutionary role. This does not logically entail
On 09 Apr 2013, at 17:11, Telmo Menezes wrote:
The web of trust comes from PhDs from accredited Universities. That is
the deal that everyone accepts.
If only that was true. Not all academies play the rule. Separation of
power leaks so much (since Nixon, more or less), that even academies
Hi John,
On 14 Apr 2013, at 00:10, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno, I stand corrected (redface): I had a closed mind for NDE
considered only as the observable experience on the 'patient' in a
"dying-like" situation.
Your airplane-example opened my eyes: it may refer to experiences
when someone (a
On 13 Apr 2013, at 16:13, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Rather then just the Liege study, let us look to November, when Dr.
Sam Parnia, releases his research on the AWARE project. He has a
partial sumary of this study in his new book, Erasing Death (US) or
The Lazarus Effect (UK). Same book d
: Sat, Apr 13, 2013 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: NDE's Proved Real?
On 4/13/2013 7:13 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Rather then just the Liege study, let us look to November, when Dr. Sam Parnia,
releases his research on the AWARE project. He has a partial sumary of this study in
his new book,
Bruno, I stand corrected (redface): I had a closed mind for NDE considered
only as the observable experience on the 'patient' in a "dying-like"
situation.
Your airplane-example opened my eyes: it may refer to experiences when
someone (a group?) faces death.
Adding my story to my mistake:
I had a s
see if Parnia comes up with something
interesting, or it's a dead end, literally. The more interesting the evidence,
the more vehement will be the opposition.
Mitch
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On 4/13/2013 7:13 AM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Rather then just the Liege study, let us look to November, when Dr. Sam Parnia, releases
his research on the AWARE project. He has a partial sumary of this study in his new
book, Erasing Death (US) or The Lazarus Effect (UK). Same book different ti
Rather then just the Liege study, let us look to November, when Dr. Sam
Parnia, releases his research on the AWARE project. He has a partial sumary
of this study in his new book, Erasing Death (US) or The Lazarus Effect
(UK). Same book different titles. Parnia's AWARE study involves 25 hos
On 12 Apr 2013, at 23:56, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno, thanks for the consenting remarks to my post. HOWEVER
you wrote:
"...Some non-toxic and non-addictive drugs provokes NDE or alike.
Anyone, with a few practice, can see by itself.
I have a theory that salvia might go farer, and be a gen
Bruno, thanks for the consenting remarks to my post. HOWEVER
you wrote:
*"...Some non-toxic and non-addictive drugs provokes NDE or alike. Anyone,
with a few practice, can see by itself.*
*
*
*I have a theory that salvia might go farer, and be a genuine DEAD
experience. You have the choice to
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:44 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>
>> > Nature/Science have no magical powers to verify if experiments were
>> > performed correctly.
>
>
> Like anything else they are not perfect and are subject to error from time
> to ti
On 05 Apr 2013, at 21:39, John Mikes wrote:
I think I side with Craig: NDE is not "N" enough, is not "D" because
the 'observer' (gossiper?) came "back" and not "E" - rather a
compendium
of hearsay (s)he stored previously about "D"-like phenomena.
When a (human or other) complexity dissolves
On 06 Apr 2013, at 06:38, Richard Ruquist wrote:
There is no hell
Ah?
In which theory? You derive this from CY?
In which theology? What is your definition of hell?
Bruno
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Craig Weinberg
wrote:
On Friday, April 5, 2013 3:39:52 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrot
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> Nature/Science have no magical powers to verify if experiments were
> performed correctly.
Like anything else they are not perfect and are subject to error from time
to time, but I can't think of any other human institution that has a bette
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:13 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
>> > What I'm trying to say is that I believe you do not distinguish:
>> A) Science the method of inquiry
>> from
>> B) Science the human institution
>
>
>
> And I am saying is you do not understand th
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 Telmo Menezes wrote:
> What I'm trying to say is that I believe you do not distinguish:
> A) Science the method of inquiry
> from
> B) Science the human institution
>
And I am saying is you do not understand that only one of the following is
true:
A) Science can sometimes
On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:38 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 Telmo Menezes wrote:
>
>> > Last week PLoS ONE received its first impact factor — a stunning 4.351.
>
>
> Stunning? Nature = 51.15 Science = 47.72; and you're bragging about a
> 4.351?
>
>> > This puts the open access jour
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 Telmo Menezes wrote:
> Last week PLoS ONE received its first impact factor — a stunning 4.351.
>
Stunning? Nature = 51.15 Science = 47.72; and you're bragging about a
4.351?
> This puts the open access journal in the top 25th percentile of ISI’s
> “Biology”
There are ma
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 6:39 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>
>> >this is an article about research published in PLoS ONE, a peer-reviewed
>> > journal with a high impact factor (> 4).
>
>
> I confess I've never heard of PLoS ONE, but maybe that is
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
>this is an article about research published in PLoS ONE, a peer-reviewed
> journal with a high impact factor (> 4).
>
I confess I've never heard of PLoS ONE, but maybe that is just my a
reflection of my ignorance, so I looked up the top 10 mo
On 04 Apr 2013, at 18:11, meekerdb wrote:
On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
"Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed
by Steven Laureys)
On 4/5/2013 9:38 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
There is no hell
"The hell there isn't!"
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On Saturday, April 6, 2013 12:38:16 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote:
>
> There is no hell
>
I wouldn't know, but there are stories out there of hellish NDEs.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/08/is-hell-real-people-who-went-there-say-yes.html
"Working with Greyson, Bush identified several
There is no hell
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>
> On Friday, April 5, 2013 3:39:52 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote:
>>
>> I think I side with Craig: NDE is not "N" enough, is not "D" because the
>> 'observer' (gossiper?) came "back" and not "E" - rather a compendium
>> of hearsa
On Friday, April 5, 2013 8:01:12 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
>
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, John Clark >
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Telmo Menezes
> > >
>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> > wait for the Nobel prizes ceremony. That way you can be assured to
> only
> >> >
On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Telmo Menezes
> wrote:
>
>>
>> > wait for the Nobel prizes ceremony. That way you can be assured to only
>> > hear about the most respectable Scientific endeavours.
>> Anything else would be a waste of your time.
On Friday, April 5, 2013 3:39:52 PM UTC-4, JohnM wrote:
>
> I think I side with Craig: NDE is not "N" enough, is not "D" because the
> 'observer' (gossiper?) came "back" and not "E" - rather a compendium
> of hearsay (s)he stored previously about "D"-like phenomena.
> When a (human or other) c
I think I side with Craig: NDE is not "N" enough, is not "D" because the
'observer' (gossiper?) came "back" and not "E" - rather a compendium
of hearsay (s)he stored previously about "D"-like phenomena.
When a (human or other) complexity dissolves (= death) nobody comes back to
tell the stories. Th
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
> > wait for the Nobel prizes ceremony. That way you can be assured to only
> hear about the most respectable Scientific endeavours.
> Anything else would be a waste of your time.
This isn't a mathematical proof where I have all the informati
On Friday, April 5, 2013 4:50:29 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
>
> I have a explanation of NDE experiences that is incomplete because it is
> based on evolution, and the evolution of a trait rarely obey a single cause
> not even a set of causes , because natural selection is holistic. Altho
I have a explanation of NDE experiences that is incomplete because it is
based on evolution, and the evolution of a trait rarely obey a single cause
not even a set of causes , because natural selection is holistic. Although
some of these causes may be the main ones in the evolution of a certain
tra
Like
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 6:19:17 PM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:56 PM, John Clark >
> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg >
> wrote:
> >
> >> > Dull in what way?
> >
> >
> > Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:56 PM, John Clark wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>> > Dull in what way?
>
>
> Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed onto a
> obscure website about experimental results that would revolutionize not just
> science but t
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 4:02:06 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Craig Weinberg
>
> > wrote:
>
> > these hallucinations appear to to be real visitations to other worlds.
>
>
> Did you learn that from astrology or numerology?
>
>
http://www.nachtkabarett.com/
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 3:56:57 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg >wrote:
>
> > Dull in what way?
>>
>
> Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed onto
> a obscure website about experimental results that would revolutionize not
>
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> these hallucinations appear to to be real visitations to other worlds.
Did you learn that from astrology or numerology?
John K Clark
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On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 Craig Weinberg wrote:
> Dull in what way?
>
Dull in the way that reading what some Bozo I've never heard of typed onto
a obscure website about experimental results that would revolutionize not
just science but the entire world if true are dull.
> You didn't read the article
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:46:50 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
>
> Sure it can. The anesthesologist ensures that you get enough oxygen to
> avoid brain damage, but that doesn't mean he ensures you get the normal
> amount. And some surgery involves lowering the body temperature so that
> the body
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:32:02 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
>
> On 4/4/2013 11:11 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 4, 2013 1:53:42 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
>>
>> Near death experiences are real, they exist, and they are very dull.
>
>
> Dull in what way?
>
>
>> When t
Sure it can. The anesthesologist ensures that you get enough oxygen to avoid brain
damage, but that doesn't mean he ensures you get the normal amount. And some surgery
involves lowering the body temperature so that the body needs/uses less oxygen.
Brent
On 4/4/2013 11:27 AM, Richard Ruquist
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:18:45 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
>
> On 4/4/2013 11:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
>>
>> On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> >
>> > On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>> >
>> >>
On 4/4/2013 11:11 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 1:53:42 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
Near death experiences are real, they exist, and they are very dull.
Dull in what way?
When the brain is deprived of oxygen some people have hallucinations and
other
exper
NDE during surgery cannot be due to lack of oxygen
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:18 PM, meekerdb wrote:
> On 4/4/2013 11:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
>>
>> On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> >
>> > On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47
On 4/4/2013 11:02 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
> On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
>> http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:05:01 PM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
>
> Even for materialists: why when the brain is in stress conditions do
> appear vivid hallucinations that probably need a high dose of
> energy instead of seeing for example a fixed image with "malfunction, we
> are on it.
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 1:53:42 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote:
>
> Near death experiences are real, they exist, and they are very dull.
Dull in what way?
> When the brain is deprived of oxygen some people have hallucinations and
> other experiences, and some of which can be pleasurable henc
Even for materialists: why when the brain is in stress conditions do appear
vivid hallucinations that probably need a high dose of energy instead of
seeing for example a fixed image with "malfunction, we are on it. please
relax" ???
What I know is that there are a growing number of effects in hum
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 12:11:36 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote:
>
> On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >
> > On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
> >
> >> http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
> >>
> >> "Working together, researchers at the Co
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 11:35:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
> On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
>
> > http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
> >
> > "Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed
> > by Steven Laur
Near death experiences are real, they exist, and they are very dull. When
the brain is deprived of oxygen some people have hallucinations and other
experiences, and some of which can be pleasurable hence the popularity of
the dangerous practice of autoerotic asphyxia, taking LSD would be much
safer
On 4/4/2013 8:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
"Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed by Steven Laureys)
and the University of Liège's Cognitive Psych
On 04 Apr 2013, at 15:47, Craig Weinberg wrote:
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
"Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed
by Steven Laureys) and the University of Liège's Cognitive
Psychology Research (Professor Serge Brédart
http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-03-memories-death-real-reality.html
"Working together, researchers at the Coma Science Group (Directed by
> Steven Laureys) and the University of Liège's Cognitive Psychology Research
> (Professor Serge Brédart and Hedwige Dehon), have looked into the memories
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