Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

> On 19 Dec 2018, at 19:36, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 9:19:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 18 Dec 2018, at 16:40, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> snip >> >> >> I should add: Why is fictionalism compelling? >> >> When you get down to

Re: Towards Conscious AI Systems (a symposium at the AAAI Stanford Spring Symposium 2019)

On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 5:41:07 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Dec 2018, at 19:36, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 9:19:50 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 18 Dec 2018, at 16:40, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> snip >> >> > >>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:05 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:21 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> If you include all events as as present moments, and say that they all exist, then how is this different from

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:12 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:39 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:47 AM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/18/2018 6:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> That wasn't my question. Do you believe your experience rules out

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 20 Dec 2018, at 01:24, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/19/2018 9:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 18 Dec 2018, at 22:36, Brent Meeker >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/18/2018 5:05 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 17 Dec 2018, at 21:43, Brent Meeker

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:21 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> >>> If you include all events as as present moments, and say that they all >>> exist, then how is this different from the block-time view (which says only >>> that all points in time

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:01 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:18 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:34 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:21 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 19 Dec 2018, at 12:59, Bruce Kellett wrote:

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:18 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:34 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:21 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 19 Dec 2018, at 12:59, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> >>> Dynamics is the study of matter in motion. There are no clocks in

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 19 Dec 2018, at 16:52, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 12:01:07 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 18 Dec 2018, at 07:57, Bruce Kellett > >> wrote: >> >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 5:42 PM > wrote: >> On Tuesday, December 18, 2018 at 5:31:06 AM

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:44 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:25 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:57 AM Jason Resch >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:09 AM Jason Resch

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:50 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> The Schrodinger equation describes the quantum wave function using >> complex numbers, and that is not observable so it's subjective in the same >> way that lines of latitude and longitude are. However the square of the >> absolute value of

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 19 Dec 2018, at 23:36, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:33 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:18 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > From: Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> >> On Wed, Dec

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:42 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Without using matter/energy or the laws of physics how can you associate >> anything with anything? > > > > *The function 1/2 (m+n)(m+n+1) + m associates* [...] > Associates? But that was my question! Without using matter/energy or the

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On 12/20/2018 1:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:39 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:47 AM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/18/2018 6:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: That wasn't my

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On 12/20/2018 1:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:05 PM John Clark > wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:16 PM Jason Resch mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: /> The Shrodinger equation is deterministic./ Yes. >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On 12/20/2018 2:09 AM, Jason Resch wrote: How is it imaginary if they later confirm it?  i.e., they wait 1 year, and compare their readings from telescopes of things 1 ly away from them, and when they compare notes each one confirms that indeed their presents contained a different set of

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 19 Dec 2018, at 18:35, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 12:21 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > To each phi_i you can associate phi_i, s, which on input j will [...] > > Without using matter/energy or the laws of physics how can you associate >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 19 Dec 2018, at 23:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:21 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > On 19 Dec 2018, at 12:59, Bruce Kellett > wrote: >> Dynamics is the study of matter in motion. There are no clocks in

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 20 Dec 2018, at 00:50, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/19/2018 4:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruce Kellett > > wrote: >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:40 PM Jason Resch > > wrote: >> On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 12:46:06 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Dec 2018, at 16:52, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, December 19, 2018 at 12:01:07 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Dec 2018, at 07:57, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 4:59:15 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Dec 2018, at 00:50, Brent Meeker > > wrote: > > > > On 12/19/2018 4:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:40 PM Jason Resch >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On 12/20/2018 1:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:51 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/19/2018 4:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Wed, Dec

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 8:40 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:13 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 19 Dec 2018, at 23:36, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> > > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:33 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:18 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:07 AM Philip Thrift wrote: > On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 3:40:53 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:13 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> Is not 333’s oddness timeless? >> >> >> Category error. >> >> > > On category error: > > I've never

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:25 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 1:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:51 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/19/2018 4:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thursday, December 20, 2018 at 3:40:53 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:13 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > Is not 333’s oddness timeless? > > > Category error. > > > > On category error: I've never understood "category error" [

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:45 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:26 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:35 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:01 AM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:18 PM Jason Resch

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:27 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 1:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:05 PM John Clark wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >> *> The Shrodinger equation is deterministic.* >> >> >> Yes. >> >> >

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:38 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:05 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:21 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> > If you include all events as as present moments,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:13 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 19 Dec 2018, at 23:36, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:33 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:18 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> From: Jason Resch >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruce

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:37 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 2:09 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > How is it imaginary if they later confirm it? i.e., they wait 1 year, > > and compare their readings from telescopes of things 1 ly away from > > them, and when they compare notes each

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:35 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:01 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:18 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:34 PM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:21 AM Bruno Marchal

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 12:11 PM John Clark wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:50 AM Jason Resch wrote: > > >> The Schrodinger equation describes the quantum wave function using >>> complex numbers, and that is not observable so it's subjective in the same >>> way that lines of latitude and

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:16 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 1:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:39 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:47 AM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> On 12/18/2018 6:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >>> >>> That wasn't my

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:30 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:38 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:05 AM Bruce Kellett >>> wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:21 PM Jason Resch

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:46 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 19 Dec 2018, at 23:33, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:21 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 19 Dec 2018, at 12:59, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> Dynamics is the study of matter in motion. There are no clocks in >>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:30 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:38 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:05 AM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:21 PM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On 12/20/2018 4:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:16 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/20/2018 1:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:39 PM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Thu, Dec

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:22 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:03 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:05 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:45 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> 1. It is a prediction of eternal inflation and string

Re: The most accurate clock ever

On 12/4/2018 5:35 PM, John Clark wrote: Brent Meeker wrote: > / finding the value of G depends on scaling the result by that ratio of masses (1.37e25 lbm/348 lbm). / The mass of the Earth played no part in Cavendish's determination of G because he was measuring gravitational

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:08 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 8:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:30 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 4:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:27 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 4:59 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:44 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:28 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> >>> I have no evidence that they exist now, since all I am currently aware >>> of is the record of their past existence

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 20 Dec 2018, at 01:04, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/19/2018 7:27 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> The output of a computation is not the computation, and we make use of >> non-halting programs all the time. For example, Operating Systems, Web >> Servers, Virtual Machines, etc.

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:05 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:45 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:26 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:35 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:01 AM Bruce Kellett

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:30 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 4:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:27 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 1:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:05 PM John Clark wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Dec

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:52 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 8:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:10 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 4:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:16 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:11 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:49 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 3:30 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 2:38 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:05 AM Bruce Kellett

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:03 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:05 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:45 AM Jason Resch >> wrote: >> >>> 1. It is a prediction of eternal inflation and string theory. >>> >> >> String theory and its "landscape" are very

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On 12/20/2018 4:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:25 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/20/2018 1:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:51 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 12/19/2018

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:10 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 4:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:16 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 1:11 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:39 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:28 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:07 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:11 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:49 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> Do you believe other locations in space exist?

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:27 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/20/2018 4:37 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:25 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/20/2018 1:38 AM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:51 PM Brent Meeker >> wrote: >> >>> >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On 12/20/2018 8:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:30 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/20/2018 4:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:27 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 3:44 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 8:28 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> >> I have no evidence that they exist now, since all I am currently aware of >> is the record of their past existence as it is present to me now. The >> evidence is that they existed

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

> On 20 Dec 2018, at 01:14, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 12/19/2018 9:06 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> Diophantine equation, which are provably equivalent with the two combinator >> law above. That is far longer to prove, of course, and this results comes >> from the 50 years of hard work

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 1:07 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:11 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Fri, Dec 21, 2018 at 11:49 AM Jason Resch >> wrote: >> >>> >>> Do you believe other locations in space exist? >>> >> >> They exist, but there is no sense in which they are

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On 12/20/2018 4:38 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:27 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/20/2018 1:49 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:05 PM John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Wed, Dec 19, 2018

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On 12/20/2018 8:45 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:10 PM Brent Meeker > wrote: On 12/20/2018 4:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 1:16 PM Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:09 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:53 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:38 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:36 PM Bruce Kellett

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:51 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/19/2018 4:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:00 AM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 10:40 PM Jason Resch >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 11:14 PM Bruce Kellett < >>>

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:25 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:57 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:19 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 10:09 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> If you include all events as as present moments,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 8:05 PM John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 6:16 PM Jason Resch wrote: > > *> The Shrodinger equation is deterministic.* > > > Yes. > > > *Quantum Randomness, like a moving present, is a subjective >> phenomenon.* > > > The Schrodinger equation describes the

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:42 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 12/19/2018 3:16 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:47 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/18/2018 6:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 7:27 PM Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >> >>> On

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:39 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 9:47 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> On 12/18/2018 6:34 PM, Jason Resch wrote: >> >> That wasn't my question. Do you believe your experience rules out the >> block universe? >> >> If you mean a pre-determined universe,

Re: What is more primary than numbers?

On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 4:34 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 4:21 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 19 Dec 2018, at 12:59, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >> Dynamics is the study of matter in motion. There are no clocks in >> arithmetic. >> >> Of course there is clock. The successor