Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. 

 

 Dr. Who keeps 'em mesmerized!

 

 Yup, it works for me! 
 

 Always did actually. I met Tom Baker when he started as Dr Who. It was like 
meeting god, better than that to me as I would have said even then.
 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing 
in English?
 
 
   

 

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 you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard 
of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and 
why wasn't it illegal to begin with?

 

 We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the 
homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. 
 

 But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of 
the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a 
statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that 
it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, 
except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. 
 

 To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months 
of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This 
sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't 
give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea 
but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way 
things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist 
the other guy these days.
 

 The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist 
types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action 
group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow 
of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the 
barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged 
much.
 

 But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't 
let their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London 
belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to 
live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if 
you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few 
years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality 
TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got 
these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now 
with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring.
 

 

 

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 
 
   

 

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 Sorry - I replied too fast. Re "Still there?": No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

 

 Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.
 

 Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 
 

 Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!


 


 












 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Jim has lost it before and will lose it again, but this is by far the worst 
case of losing it so far. 


Enlightened? At this point he's barely human...



 From: "curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
 


  


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I certainly wouldn't have expected you to agree, Curtis, but your response 
hasn't changed my assessment of your motives. Sorry.

M: I didn't realize that this was a discussion of motives. OK, Well in that 
case I think your motive for making up a bunch of derogatory shit is to get 
back at me for not going along with your "I am enlightened and you are not" 
routine. I think that gets you angry and you have to lash out.

But don't worry Jim,there is always Nabbie. He believes EVERYTHING.



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This was a particularly nasty trollish comment Jim. I will let most of it ride 
as an indictment of your character. 

But I will correct this: I am not an outsider in my community. I am a leader in 
the arts in education movement and just last week addressed 19 Principals in 
one of my school county districts about the need to bring arts integrated 
teaching in their schools, at the invitation of the regional arts director who 
is a fan of my work. 

As far as making a living in the arts is concerned you got it wrong sorry to 
disappoint, I am very much an insider working to improve the educational system 
in my area with my own choice of music from within the system, and recognized 
by it.

So you can fantasize about me not being successful in my chosen field if you 
want to grind out your own ill will. But it just doesn't fit the actual facts 
of the work I am doing or how it is being recognized in my community.  I was 
just changing lives one classroom at a time today.

Oh yeah:

J: But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world,
as represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly
not sane thinking.

There are so many funny things about this I hardly know where to start. If fact 
coming from you the irony is too perfect to comment on. I'll just let the "rest 
of the world" think about who just said this!





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yes, they are both a piece of work. I think both of them take extreme views, in 
social settings, because both of them feel to be outsiders, in the world they 
inhabit. Their position reminds me of that of the most vociferous born again 
"christians", often found proselytizing, while working minimum wage jobs. 

These are not successful people, Barry and Curtis. Both are white, from upper 
middle class backgrounds, privileged as American citizens, and each with a 
college degree. Yet, not a hill of beans, between them. I am not necessarily 
talking about material possessions, but things like strength of character, 
foresight, humility, social intelligence, and a simple ability to achieve that 
which they set out to do. All of this, is lacking in them. 

So, being emotionally immature, and intellectually lazy, they begin to show 
their discontent with society, that it hasn't rewarded them for their bad 
decisions. They profess atheism, and go all out against God, and enlightenment, 
and any sort of spiritual endeavor that they don't approve of. They see 
themselves failing by societies norms, and have now taken the position, that, 
"You can't fire me, I quit!"

But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world, as 
represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly not sane 
thinking.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


The
ignorant inquisitor..  'It's not my experience so it does not exist!'
Deltablues'
technique is the old trick of the materialist's (orthodox)
inquisitor, “Tell us, what exactly is your creed?”  “Tell us in
terms detailed such that we can understand and then the best of
sophists of us will argue it out with you trying it point by point.
Lot of people have been burned at the stake by uber-intellectualistic
people like Deltablues is trying to be here on FFL.
-Buck

fleetwood_macncheese responding to Turqb:


Bye, bye, Lenz, Jr.

turquoiseb@...> wrote :


See what I mean? Curtis refuted John's idiotic argument point by point, and HE 
DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT. The only thing he can do is repeat the same stupid thing 
he's already repeated -- and had refuted -- here on FFL dozens of time in the 
past. 


You really can't deal with anyone as dumb as this. I repeat my contention -- 
believing in astrology, God, and the Maharishi Effect really IS like winning 
the Trifecta of Idiocy. How does a mind *become* this weak?  




 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM
Subject: [Fair

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I meant to show that those dates are in summer.  But in jyotish, anyone can be 
a Cancer ascendant in any of the 12 months of the year, which depend on the 
actual time of birth.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Those are tropical dates not jyotish.
 
 On 10/20/2014 06:46 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   According to jyotish, people born in Cancer, from June 21 to July 22, tend 
to be sentimental and emotional due to Cancer being a watery zodiac, and the 
fourth house from the head of the Kalapurusha, Aries.
 

 These scientists should study the people who were born with the conjunction of 
the Moon with Rahu.  They should determine what type of personalities are 
predominant with this conjunction.
 

 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood 
 swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely 
 to become irritable adults, scientists claim.
 
 http://shar.es/1mDt8U http://shar.es/1mDt8U



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Xeno, 

 I'm flabbergasted at the statements you just said.  In the physical existence 
of human beings here on earth, everyone has to have a mother and a father.  
Were you not created by your father's sperm that impregnated your mother's egg? 
 Didn't she carry you in her womb for 9 months before you were born here on 
earth?
 

 I'll give you my thoughts about Barker's ideas.  But I'm taking the KCA 
argument one at a time which starts with statement 1.  Your statements are so 
astonishing that we need more clarification about your thoughts and logic.
 

 Everyone in the forum is invited to participate in this discussion to ask Xeno 
about his revelations regarding his physical existence.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Everything that exists has no cause' is not the equivalent of 'everything 
that begins to exist has no cause'. No beginning is stated or implied. I said 
nothing about 'begins'. I was talking about existence without time. The 
eternity of space and things but no time. Like a still photograph, frozen 
being. Have you ever heard the Zen koan 'show me your original face before your 
parents were born'? As far as my experience is concerned, I have always 
existed. The body that gives me eyes seems to have had prior causes. The raw 
components of the body were fashioned in the hearts of collapsing starts 
billions of years ago. The protons in my body, if science is correct, are 13.5 
billion years old. I certainly feel that old sometimes. So every aspect of my 
sense of 'self' is old or timeless, older than my parents as you appear to 
imaging them. 

 Presumably you have heard various statements on FFL about pure being, 
transcendental consciousness, and eternity, you know, beyond life and death. 
Even though such statements are a bit shy of the truth, they are representative 
of certain kinds of experiences people have when they practice meditation many 
times a day for long periods of time. One has experiences that subjectively are 
timeless. 
 

 The idea of eternity comes from these kinds of experiences. But if the mind is 
not really clear about these sorts of experiences it interprets eternity as 
endless time. If we take a scientific perspective, there is no timelessness in 
observing the world, though we think we know that if you travel at the speed of 
light, there would be timelessness. However only photons travel at the speed of 
light in a vacuum, other particles and hence all other matter cannot be 
accelerated to the velocity of light because it would take an infinite amount 
of energy.
 

 You still have not really made any significant mention of the Kalam argument. 
I think Curtis is right that you do not grasp these things very well. Among 
statements about the world and life I have my favourites, but I do not regard 
them as true. I particularly do not regard the Kalam argument as true.
 

 Curtis already demolished your position and you have not responded to him. You 
are out of your league with Curtis, as I think I would be. Here is part of an 
argument by Dan Barker about the Kalam, what do you think?
 

 Of course, if you live "outside of time," whatever that means, then you don't 
need a beginning in time. A transcendent being, living Theists regularly talk 
about a place "beyond" the universe, a transcendent realm where God exists 
"outside of time."

 


 ". . . the universe has a cause. This conclusion ought to stagger us, to fill 
us with awe, for it means that the universe was brought into existence by 
something which is greater than and beyond it."

 


 Of course, if you live "outside of time," whatever that means, then you don't 
need a beginning in time. A transcendent being, living "beyond" nature, is 
conveniently exempt from the limitations of natural law, and all complaints 
that God himself must have had a cause or a designer (using the same natural 
reasoning that tries to call for his existence) can be dismissed by theists who 
insist that God is outside the loop, unaffected by natural causality, beyond 
time. 

 


 Yet theists continue to describe this "timeless" being in temporal terms. 
Phrases such as "God decided to create the universe" are taken by us mere 
mortals to be analogous to such natural phrases as "Annie Laurie decided to 
bake a pie." If such phrases are not equal or analogous to normal human 
language, and if they are not redefined coherently, then they are useless. We 
may as well say "God blopwaddled to scrumpwitch the universe."

 


 The word "create" is a transitive verb. We have no experience of transitive 
verbs operating outside of time (how could we?), so when we hear such a word, 
we must picture it the only way we can: a subject acts on an object. 
Considering the point at which an action is committed, there must be an 
antecedent state "during" which the action is not committed, and this would be 
true either in or out of time.

 


 To say that "God created time" is not comprehensible to us. But 

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http://www.phillymag.com/articles/dr-huxtable-mr-hyde/
  
  
Dr. Huxtable & Mr. Hyde - Articles
“He did a lot of good works behind which he could stash his crimes of excess.” 
— Tamara Green Our stories must be told a certain way. That is why Bill Cosby 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Football [1 Attachment]

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

/One to watch:  Tony Romo. "The problem was two-fold. Early coverage 
breakdowns gave the Cowboys two early TDs and then, the Giants had no 
answer for Bryant, not the way Romo was delivering him the football."/


'How New York media reacted to Cowboys' win: See the covers'
Dallas Morning News:
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/ 
<http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/dallas-cowboys/headlines/20141020-how-new-york-media-reacted-to-cowboys-win-see-the-covers.ece>




/Tony Romo (9) hands off to DeMarco Murray (29)./

Sports Day DFW:
http://tinyurl.com/nkha9sf
>

On 10/20/2014 4:56 PM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


I was happy for him, but my team got trounced. 42 to 10. manning is 
amazing to watch, really owns the field.




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/Peyton Manning breaks Brett Favre's TD record/
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300413952/article/peyton-manning-ties-brett-favres-touchdown-record

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Those are tropical dates not jyotish.

On 10/20/2014 06:46 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


According to jyotish, people born in Cancer, from June 21 to July 22, 
tend to be sentimental and emotional due to Cancer being a watery 
zodiac, and the fourth house from the head of the Kalapurusha, Aries.



These scientists should study the people who were born with the 
conjunction of the Moon with Rahu.  They should determine what type of 
personalities are predominant with this conjunction.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood
swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely
to become irritable adults, scientists claim.

http://shar.es/1mDt8U

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

'Everything that exists has no cause' is not the equivalent of 'everything that 
begins to exist has no cause'. No beginning is stated or implied. I said 
nothing about 'begins'. I was talking about existence without time. The 
eternity of space and things but no time. Like a still photograph, frozen 
being. Have you ever heard the Zen koan 'show me your original face before your 
parents were born'? As far as my experience is concerned, I have always 
existed. The body that gives me eyes seems to have had prior causes. The raw 
components of the body were fashioned in the hearts of collapsing starts 
billions of years ago. The protons in my body, if science is correct, are 13.5 
billion years old. I certainly feel that old sometimes. So every aspect of my 
sense of 'self' is old or timeless, older than my parents as you appear to 
imaging them. 

 Presumably you have heard various statements on FFL about pure being, 
transcendental consciousness, and eternity, you know, beyond life and death. 
Even though such statements are a bit shy of the truth, they are representative 
of certain kinds of experiences people have when they practice meditation many 
times a day for long periods of time. One has experiences that subjectively are 
timeless. 
 

 The idea of eternity comes from these kinds of experiences. But if the mind is 
not really clear about these sorts of experiences it interprets eternity as 
endless time. If we take a scientific perspective, there is no timelessness in 
observing the world, though we think we know that if you travel at the speed of 
light, there would be timelessness. However only photons travel at the speed of 
light in a vacuum, other particles and hence all other matter cannot be 
accelerated to the velocity of light because it would take an infinite amount 
of energy.
 

 You still have not really made any significant mention of the Kalam argument. 
I think Curtis is right that you do not grasp these things very well. Among 
statements about the world and life I have my favourites, but I do not regard 
them as true. I particularly do not regard the Kalam argument as true.
 

 Curtis already demolished your position and you have not responded to him. You 
are out of your league with Curtis, as I think I would be. Here is part of an 
argument by Dan Barker about the Kalam, what do you think?
 

 Of course, if you live "outside of time," whatever that means, then you don't 
need a beginning in time. A transcendent being, living Theists regularly talk 
about a place "beyond" the universe, a transcendent realm where God exists 
"outside of time."

 


 ". . . the universe has a cause. This conclusion ought to stagger us, to fill 
us with awe, for it means that the universe was brought into existence by 
something which is greater than and beyond it."

 


 Of course, if you live "outside of time," whatever that means, then you don't 
need a beginning in time. A transcendent being, living "beyond" nature, is 
conveniently exempt from the limitations of natural law, and all complaints 
that God himself must have had a cause or a designer (using the same natural 
reasoning that tries to call for his existence) can be dismissed by theists who 
insist that God is outside the loop, unaffected by natural causality, beyond 
time. 

 


 Yet theists continue to describe this "timeless" being in temporal terms. 
Phrases such as "God decided to create the universe" are taken by us mere 
mortals to be analogous to such natural phrases as "Annie Laurie decided to 
bake a pie." If such phrases are not equal or analogous to normal human 
language, and if they are not redefined coherently, then they are useless. We 
may as well say "God blopwaddled to scrumpwitch the universe."

 


 The word "create" is a transitive verb. We have no experience of transitive 
verbs operating outside of time (how could we?), so when we hear such a word, 
we must picture it the only way we can: a subject acts on an object. 
Considering the point at which an action is committed, there must be an 
antecedent state "during" which the action is not committed, and this would be 
true either in or out of time.

 


 To say that "God created time" is not comprehensible to us. But if he did it 
anyway, in spite of our lack of imagination, then it couldn't have happened 
"after" the decision to commit it, because there was no "before." However, we 
might still imagine the act of creation as "following" the decision to create. 
Or, to avoid temporal terms, the creating succeeds the deciding in the logical 
order. (In logic we say that a conclusion "follows," though we do not mean this 
happens in space or time. Craig writes that "the origin of the universe is 
causally prior to the Big Bang, though not temporally prior to the Big Bang."

 


 Either in or out of time, the decision of a personal agency to commit an 
action happens antecedent to the action itself. Even if the deciding and the 
acting happened simultaneously, it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/20/2014 5:32 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Xeno,


After a long introduction to your reasoning, you state that:  "I tend 
to prefer 'everything that exists has no cause'. Everything is just 
there. That is my position."

>
Everything that exists has a cause.

/"The philosophical treatment on the subject of causality extends over 
millennia. In the Western philosophical tradition, discussion stretches 
back at least to Aristotle, and the topic remains a staple in 
contemporary philosophy."/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality
>


IMO, you're statement is the same as saying "everything that begins to 
exist has no cause".  But, in either case, your statement becomes 
problematic.   Essentially, you're saying that you came into existence 
in this world without the involvement of your mother and father.  That 
is contrary to the natural way human beings are born.  How is that 
possible?






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I don't know what it means, explain it to me, as you seem to know what 
it means. That NASA sent Curiosity to Mars is not logically connected 
to your statement that 'it appears that humans know can understand the 
meaning of "begins to exist". You may have connected it in your mind, 
but not in the post.


In the link I provided, there are some criticisms of the Kalam 
argument, but you have still not read them apparently.


For me some things exist. Other things do not. 'Begins to exist' seems 
redundant. How does that work? What are the steps between 
non-existence and existence? I have no clue. I suspect you do not 
either, but I am willing to hear you out on this. You need to explain 
your position.


My position is this:

There is an essential value of existence. All things that exist have 
this essential value. We can say there are things that do not exist 
but this is meaningless as the essential value of existence is missing 
and therefore there are no such things. We cannot know of them because 
they are not.


Curiosity exists and is on Mars. It exists because someone had a 
thought, and then manipulated the extant universe to correspond to the 
thought. Where did the thought come from? It appeared in someone's 
brain, how did it arise? There was (we assume) prior activity in the 
person's brain before the thought arose. Was it just a refashioning of 
previous neural events, or a spontaneous outlier from out of nowhere? 
Everything Curiosity is made of was fashioned from previously existing 
matter, already part of the currently extant universe. Basically it is 
a sophisticated auto-mobile, but all its parts previously existed in 
another form so can we really say it came into being, when its 
components already had being?


The argument you seem to be proposing does not involve refashioning, 
so that was not a good analogy. You need to explain your argument to 
me. What specifically does 'begins to exist' mean in your context?


What is the difference in saying 'everything that exists has a cause' 
compared to 'everything that begins to exist has a cause'? I tend to 
prefer 'everything that exists has no cause'. Everything is just 
there. That is my position. I am not sure you have a position, other 
than you want people to accept the Kalam argument.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Xeno,

Are you saying that the human mind would not be able to fathom the 
meaning of "begins to exist"?  If that is so, how is it possible for 
you to begin and end a project at work or at home?


But we know that NASA has been able to send the Curiosity rover to 
Mars which is a very high technological feat.  So,  it appears that 
humans know can understand the meaning of "begins to exist".  If not, 
NASA would not have been able to send the rover to Mars.


I believe you're avoiding the question by claiming that you don't know 
what statement 1 of the KCA means.  In other words, you're being 
disingenuous.  Or, that you're pulling a Curtis on us.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

x exists
x does not exist

I do not know what the phrase 'begins to exist' means, especially in 
regard to the universe as a whole. If x were an auto-mobile, perhaps 
one could say that when it was partially assembled, it began to exist, 
but all the components of that were manufactured prior to that and 
merely gathered together with welds, bolts, and glue. And those parts 
had precursors, ad infinitum (almost) to the beginning of the 
universe, before which we have no knowledge, and in fact we have only 
induction as to regard the early universe. And induction is logically 
invalid.


The link I gave in the previous post did do some analysis why the 
Kalam argument is flawed, apparently you did not read it. Here it is 
again: Cosmological Kalamity 





Cosmological Kalamity 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the heads-up, lurking reporter

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

   
 You don't read their stuff, but i figured it would make your day to learn that 
Jim and Ann (both who claim that they are not obsessed with you) have been 
bragging about having read A WHOLE BOOK about Rama (the same one you told us 
about) so that they can obsess on you even more while trying to demonize you. 
You were right, this place is a zoo.
 

 Hey there Mr "Reporter Man". Here are a few tidbits to cogitate on. 
 1) bawee reads everyone's posts especially if he suspects they are about him. 
He keeps a running tally.
 2) if anyone is talking about bawee it makes his day. Why do you think he 
comes across as such a disappointed whack job? Hint: because he is a 
disappointed whack job.
 3) reading a book about Rama is not about bawee, it is about Rama. Saying that 
we are reading a book by an author (Mark Laxer) who used to be part of the 
inner circle of Lenz's cult and claiming anyone who reads it is obsessed by a 
bit player who once was part of that cult (bawee) is like saying anyone who 
reads Stephen Hawking's book "A Brief History in Time" is obsessed with his dry 
cleaner
 4) "bragging" about reading a book. Maybe if I was in first grade and managed 
to finish it.
 5) "Demonize"? bawee is nowhere near being in the category of "demon", sorry. 
You have to be powerful and interesting and mysterious to be that.
 6) If FFL is such a zoo why are you still hanging around? And if bawee is to 
be believed you've been here a while so how long has it taken to realize what 
is going on here, Mr Reporter? 
 7) you should be a little more discriminating in who you keep company with; 
there is guilt by association in this joint. 
 

 Color me not surprised. I guess it gives them something to do other than whack 
off.  :-)




 >
 On 10/20/2014 2:47 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 >
 They must have some serious time on their hands. I thought the "unified field" 
would give Jim endless pleasure and an ego working beyond the mere concerns of 
us mortals so he didn't have to get caught up in our tawdry world. Instead it 
seems that he can't get enough of it!






 >
 Non sequitur.
 >
 I often used to wonder what Marshy meant when he lectured about how an 
enlightened mind could only obey the laws of nature. I guess we know now, 
arguing on the internet must be important work for the "unified field" It's the 
modern way I suppose, I just thought that having access to all that infinite 
wisdom might be a bit more impressive to behold. 
 






 >
 Non sequitur.
 >
 But that's just my waking state consciousness struggling to understand 
something way beyond its meagre limits obviously.







 >
 Obviously, since you don't seem to realize that it was Barry who first brought 
up the subject of Frederick Lenz, aka Rama and the levitation events in the 
first place. Not only does this fact indicate the limits of your waking state 
of consciousness. It's starting to look like you're suffering from a form of 
cognitive dissonance - Barry is the informant that wants to talk about cults 
and cult activities. Go figure.
 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/20/2014 10:57 AM, Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood 
 swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely 
 to become irritable adults, scientists claim.
 
 http://shar.es/1mDt8U http://shar.es/1mDt8U


 >
 "If a man or woman is seriously ill and his spouse's face looks shinning and 
bright, he or she is sure to die." - Parashara 
 Yes, shinning is never a healthy sign.
 >
 



 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the heads-up, lurking reporter

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 NOTICE
 
 Barry isn't mentioned in Mark Laxer's book Take Me For A Ride, if that's what 
you're thinking. That's because Barry, contrary to his claims, was probably NOT 
a member of the inner circle of the Lenz group.
 

 He actually said that in his little tome "Roadtrip Mind". He had a habit of 
meeting up with Lenz when they both had their dicks out taking a pee. Sounds 
pretty profound to me.
 
 What I want to know is why is Barry trying to make us think he was a big shot 
in a dangerous cult, setting up various snow men, and then criticizing others 
for his own cognitive dissonance? 
 
 This activity of Barry has all the clear indications of Narcissistic 
Personality Disorder (NPD), in which a person is excessively preoccupied with 
personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity, and unable to see the 
destructive damage they are causing to themselves and to others in the process.
 
 Barry sucks as an cult exit counselor! 
 
 The question is why is he going to great lengths to plant misleading and false 
messages in order to get angry responses from others so he can resolve his own 
mental dissociation? It's beginning to look like Barry is an informant of some 
kind. Go figure.  
 
 Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? 
 
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hubble's greatest hits

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One of mankind's great achievements, the Hubble space telescope just keeps on 
giving.
 

 Infuckingcredible. Not only are these superlative to view but they simply take 
one way beyond normal day experience. Now this is transcendental in lots of 
ways.
 

 Hubble Space Telescope's greatest hits - Telegraph 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/11174628/Hubble-Space-Telescopes-greatest-hits.html

 
 
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/11174628/Hubble-Space-Telescopes-greatest-hits.html
 
 Hubble Space Telescope's greatest hits - Telegraph 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/11174628/Hubble-Space-Telescopes-greatest-hits.html
 A selection of memorable images taken by the Hubble Space Telescope


 
 View on www.telegraph.co.uk 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/11174628/Hubble-Space-Telescopes-greatest-hits.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Could be - I am far more emotional than my wife is - She was born in January, 
and I was born in June. However her sister, born in July, is also quite 
emotional. Tiny sample size, though. Also, I was born 2 or 3 months premature 
of my due date (born black, then turned blue for awhile), so I don't know how 
that affects the astrology.
 

 Wow, you covered a lot of the spectrums for possible skin color in one 
lifetime including that of Krishna!
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood 
 swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely 
 to become irritable adults, scientists claim.
 
 http://shar.es/1mDt8U http://shar.es/1mDt8U

[FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

According to jyotish, people born in Cancer, from June 21 to July 22, tend to 
be sentimental and emotional due to Cancer being a watery zodiac, and the 
fourth house from the head of the Kalapurusha, Aries. 

 These scientists should study the people who were born with the conjunction of 
the Moon with Rahu.  They should determine what type of personalities are 
predominant with this conjunction.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood 
 swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely 
 to become irritable adults, scientists claim.
 
 http://shar.es/1mDt8U http://shar.es/1mDt8U

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ancient Petroglyph on Mars

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Share, 

 I have a hunch that there will be more of these type of findings as long as 
the rovers are operational on Mars.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As many rocks are, these are beautiful, John and it's fun to consider about 
their origins. Thanks for posting.

 


 On Monday, October 20, 2014 1:31 AM, "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   Were there humanoids living on Mars millions of years ago?
 

 
http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-and-earth-have-same-ancient-man-rock-engraving-visitors-to-both-planets
 
http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-and-earth-have-same-ancient-man-rock-engraving-visitors-to-both-planets


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ancient Petroglyph on Mars

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

There are some curious things that have been uncovered on Mars lately.  Aside 
from this petroglyph, there is also an article today about an elongated skull 
found on the planet as well. 

 Is that an elongated human skull on Mars? 
http://www.examiner.com/article/is-that-an-elongated-human-skull-on-mars 
 
 http://www.examiner.com/article/is-that-an-elongated-human-skull-on-mars 
 
 Is that an elongated human skull on Mars? 
http://www.examiner.com/article/is-that-an-elongated-human-skull-on-mars Mars 
is one of our closest neighbors in the solar system, yet it remains a mystery. 
Watch this video to feed your curiosity about the red planet!
 
 
 
 View on www.examiner.com 
http://www.examiner.com/article/is-that-an-elongated-human-skull-on-mars 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 

 

 One wonders about an intriguing statement that was made by the chief of NASA 
earlier this month.  Has NASA found something that shows there was past life on 
Mars?  And, what type of life was it?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think it is entirely possible that intelligent beings could have lived on 
Mars millions of years ago and evidence of their existence may still remain 
there.  But it will probably take a country antagonistic to the NASA "prime 
directive" of not revealing such to alert earth creatures to this.  But 
remember they wouldn't necessarily resemble us to exist as an intelligent 
being.  That's just human vanity.
 
 On 10/19/2014 11:31 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
 
   Were there humanoids living on Mars millions of years ago?
 
 
 
http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-and-earth-have-same-ancient-man-rock-engraving-visitors-to-both-planets
 
http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-and-earth-have-same-ancient-man-rock-engraving-visitors-to-both-planets
 

 

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re "How could you get in unless you broke in? And, how did they keep warm in 
winter, etc. If a house was unoccupied around here, the first thing happens is 
the power gets cut off. Did they just use candles and kerosene heaters??":
 

 You've got me now! I'm afraid I was very bad. You can't legally break in. But 
if a house was secure people did indeed break in. If the police asked what 
happened you just said you'd found a window already broken when you arrived. 
How could they disprove that?
 

 When we broke in to our house in Kentish Town we asked the Sid Rawle's commune 
at Chalk Farm for help in settling in. They sent over a guy called Mervin (if I 
remember his name aright) and he connected us to the water main and connected 
us to both the electricity and gas supplies (all highly illegal). For the two 
years I lived there we never paid any bills - no rent, no rates, no heating - 
as we were off the official record. Astonishing that the power companies 
couldn't detect that we were siphoning off juice. There were popular books on 
sale, like Alternative London (sample page below), that also showed people how 
to sidestep the security measures of the power companies. I'm sure they are 
much harder to overcome today. 
 

 You'll be glad to learn that over the years since then I've more than paid my 
share towards the profits of our rip-off energy companies. 
 

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 How could you get in unless you broke in? And, how did they keep warm in 
winter, etc. If a house was unoccupied around here, the first thing happens is 
the power gets cut off. Did they just use candles and kerosene heaters??

 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing 
in English?
 
 
   Squatting has been popular in the UK since the 14th century - following the 
Black Death! 
 

 Lots and lots of dead people and acres of unoccupied land = living people move 
in.
 

 Until a few years ago the Law took the view that trespassing is a civil 
offense, not a criminal one. Provided the squatters did not break-in or 
otherwise damage the property, police were powerless to remove them. Landlords 
had to apply for an eviction order and could not remove the intruders by force.
 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard 
of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and 
why wasn't it illegal to begin with?

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


 Sorry - I replied too fast. Re "Still there?": No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

 

 Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.
 

 Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 
 

 Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!


 


 













 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Xeno, 

 After a long introduction to your reasoning, you state that:  "I tend to 
prefer 'everything that exists has no cause'. Everything is just there. That is 
my position."
 

 IMO, you're statement is the same as saying "everything that begins to exist 
has no cause".  But, in either case, your statement becomes problematic.   
Essentially, you're saying that you came into existence in this world without 
the involvement of your mother and father.  That is contrary to the natural way 
human beings are born.  How is that possible?
 

 

  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I don't know what it means, explain it to me, as you seem to know what it 
means. That NASA sent Curiosity to Mars is not logically connected to your 
statement that 'it appears that humans know can understand the meaning of 
"begins to exist". You may have connected it in your mind, but not in the post. 

 In the link I provided, there are some criticisms of the Kalam argument, but 
you have still not read them apparently.
 

 For me some things exist. Other things do not. 'Begins to exist' seems 
redundant. How does that work? What are the steps between non-existence and 
existence? I have no clue. I suspect you do not either, but I am willing to 
hear you out on this. You need to explain your position.
 

 My position is this:
 

 There is an essential value of existence. All things that exist have this 
essential value. We can say there are things that do not exist but this is 
meaningless as the essential value of existence is missing and therefore there 
are no such things. We cannot know of them because they are not.
 

 Curiosity exists and is on Mars. It exists because someone had a thought, and 
then manipulated the extant universe to correspond to the thought. Where did 
the thought come from? It appeared in someone's brain, how did it arise? There 
was (we assume) prior activity in the person's brain before the thought arose. 
Was it just a refashioning of previous neural events, or a spontaneous outlier 
from out of nowhere? Everything Curiosity is made of was fashioned from 
previously existing matter, already part of the currently extant universe. 
Basically it is a sophisticated auto-mobile, but all its parts previously 
existed in another form so can we really say it came into being, when its 
components already had being?
 

 The argument you seem to be proposing does not involve refashioning, so that 
was not a good analogy. You need to explain your argument to me. What 
specifically does 'begins to exist' mean in your context?
 

 What is the difference in saying 'everything that exists has a cause' compared 
to 'everything that begins to exist has a cause'? I tend to prefer 'everything 
that exists has no cause'. Everything is just there. That is my position. I am 
not sure you have a position, other than you want people to accept the Kalam 
argument.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Xeno, 

 Are you saying that the human mind would not be able to fathom the meaning of 
"begins to exist"?  If that is so, how is it possible for you to begin and end 
a project at work or at home?
 

 But we know that NASA has been able to send the Curiosity rover to Mars which 
is a very high technological feat.  So,  it appears that humans know can 
understand the meaning of "begins to exist".  If not, NASA would not have been 
able to send the rover to Mars.
 

 I believe you're avoiding the question by claiming that you don't know what 
statement 1 of the KCA means.  In other words, you're being disingenuous.  Or, 
that you're pulling a Curtis on us.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 x exists x does not exist
 

 I do not know what the phrase 'begins to exist' means, especially in regard to 
the universe as a whole. If x were an auto-mobile, perhaps one could say that 
when it was partially assembled, it began to exist, but all the components of 
that were manufactured prior to that and merely gathered together with welds, 
bolts, and glue. And those parts had precursors, ad infinitum (almost) to the 
beginning of the universe, before which we have no knowledge, and in fact we 
have only induction as to regard the early universe. And induction is logically 
invalid.
 

 The link I gave in the previous post did do some analysis why the Kalam 
argument is flawed, apparently you did not read it. Here it is again: 
Cosmological Kalamity 
http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html 
 
 Cosmological Kalamity 
http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html Home » Library » 
Modern » Dan Barker »   Cosmological Kalamity Dan Barker "Daddy, if God made 
everything, who made God?" my daughter Kristi asked me, when she was five years 
old.


 
 View on infidels.org 
http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

 I do not know how the universe began.
 I do not know what 'begins to exist' means in this context, can yo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I certainly wouldn't have expected you to agree, Curtis, but your response 
hasn't changed my assessment of your motives. Sorry.

M: I didn't realize that this was a discussion of motives. OK, Well in that 
case I think your motive for making up a bunch of derogatory shit is to get 
back at me for not going along with your "I am enlightened and you are not" 
routine. I think that gets you angry and you have to lash out.

But don't worry Jim,there is always Nabbie. He believes EVERYTHING.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This was a particularly nasty trollish comment Jim. I will let most of it ride 
as an indictment of your character. 

But I will correct this: I am not an outsider in my community. I am a leader in 
the arts in education movement and just last week addressed 19 Principals in 
one of my school county districts about the need to bring arts integrated 
teaching in their schools, at the invitation of the regional arts director who 
is a fan of my work. 

As far as making a living in the arts is concerned you got it wrong sorry to 
disappoint, I am very much an insider working to improve the educational system 
in my area with my own choice of music from within the system, and recognized 
by it.

So you can fantasize about me not being successful in my chosen field if you 
want to grind out your own ill will. But it just doesn't fit the actual facts 
of the work I am doing or how it is being recognized in my community.  I was 
just changing lives one classroom at a time today.

Oh yeah:

J: But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world, as 
represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly not sane 
thinking.

There are so many funny things about this I hardly know where to start. If fact 
coming from you the irony is too perfect to comment on. I'll just let the "rest 
of the world" think about who just said this!


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, they are both a piece of work. I think both of them take extreme views, 
in social settings, because both of them feel to be outsiders, in the world 
they inhabit. Their position reminds me of that of the most vociferous born 
again "christians", often found proselytizing, while working minimum wage jobs. 
 

 These are not successful people, Barry and Curtis. Both are white, from upper 
middle class backgrounds, privileged as American citizens, and each with a 
college degree. Yet, not a hill of beans, between them. I am not necessarily 
talking about material possessions, but things like strength of character, 
foresight, humility, social intelligence, and a simple ability to achieve that 
which they set out to do. All of this, is lacking in them. 
 

 So, being emotionally immature, and intellectually lazy, they begin to show 
their discontent with society, that it hasn't rewarded them for their bad 
decisions. They profess atheism, and go all out against God, and enlightenment, 
and any sort of spiritual endeavor that they don't approve of. They see 
themselves failing by societies norms, and have now taken the position, that, 
"You can't fire me, I quit!"
 

 But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world, as 
represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly not sane 
thinking.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The ignorant inquisitor.. 'It's not my experience so it does not exist!'
 Deltablues' technique is the old trick of the materialist's (orthodox) 
inquisitor, “Tell us, what exactly is your creed?” “Tell us in terms detailed 
such that we can understand and then the best of sophists of us will argue it 
out with you trying it point by point. Lot of people have been burned at the 
stake by uber-intellectualistic people like Deltablues is trying to be here on 
FFL.
 -Buck
 

 fleetwood_macncheese responding to Turqb:
 
 Bye, bye, Lenz, Jr.
 

 turquoiseb@...> wrote : 
 See what I mean? Curtis refuted John's idiotic argument point by point, and HE 
DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT. The only thing he can do is repeat the same stupid thing 
he's already repeated -- and had refuted -- here on FFL dozens of time in the 
past. 

 

 You really can't deal with anyone as dumb as this. I repeat my contention -- 
believing in astrology, God, and the Maharishi Effect really IS like winning 
the Trifecta of Idiocy. How does a mind *become* this weak?  

 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
 
 
   Xeno,
 

 I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the 
statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument.  But he just gave me a lot of 
song and dance about his opinions without providing the evidence for his 
arguments.  Can you give us a solid argument with evidence and support why the 
statements in the KCA

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I certainly wouldn't have expected you to agree, Curtis, but your response 
hasn't changed my assessment of your motives. Sorry.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This was a particularly nasty trollish comment Jim. I will let most of it ride 
as an indictment of your character. 

But I will correct this: I am not an outsider in my community. I am a leader in 
the arts in education movement and just last week addressed 19 Principals in 
one of my school county districts about the need to bring arts integrated 
teaching in their schools, at the invitation of the regional arts director who 
is a fan of my work. 

As far as making a living in the arts is concerned you got it wrong sorry to 
disappoint, I am very much an insider working to improve the educational system 
in my area with my own choice of music from within the system, and recognized 
by it.

So you can fantasize about me not being successful in my chosen field if you 
want to grind out your own ill will. But it just doesn't fit the actual facts 
of the work I am doing or how it is being recognized in my community.  I was 
just changing lives one classroom at a time today.

Oh yeah:

J: But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world, as 
represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly not sane 
thinking.

There are so many funny things about this I hardly know where to start. If fact 
coming from you the irony is too perfect to comment on. I'll just let the "rest 
of the world" think about who just said this!


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, they are both a piece of work. I think both of them take extreme views, 
in social settings, because both of them feel to be outsiders, in the world 
they inhabit. Their position reminds me of that of the most vociferous born 
again "christians", often found proselytizing, while working minimum wage jobs. 
 

 These are not successful people, Barry and Curtis. Both are white, from upper 
middle class backgrounds, privileged as American citizens, and each with a 
college degree. Yet, not a hill of beans, between them. I am not necessarily 
talking about material possessions, but things like strength of character, 
foresight, humility, social intelligence, and a simple ability to achieve that 
which they set out to do. All of this, is lacking in them. 
 

 So, being emotionally immature, and intellectually lazy, they begin to show 
their discontent with society, that it hasn't rewarded them for their bad 
decisions. They profess atheism, and go all out against God, and enlightenment, 
and any sort of spiritual endeavor that they don't approve of. They see 
themselves failing by societies norms, and have now taken the position, that, 
"You can't fire me, I quit!"
 

 But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world, as 
represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly not sane 
thinking.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The ignorant inquisitor.. 'It's not my experience so it does not exist!'
 Deltablues' technique is the old trick of the materialist's (orthodox) 
inquisitor, “Tell us, what exactly is your creed?” “Tell us in terms detailed 
such that we can understand and then the best of sophists of us will argue it 
out with you trying it point by point. Lot of people have been burned at the 
stake by uber-intellectualistic people like Deltablues is trying to be here on 
FFL.
 -Buck
 

 fleetwood_macncheese responding to Turqb:
 
 Bye, bye, Lenz, Jr.
 

 turquoiseb@...> wrote : 
 See what I mean? Curtis refuted John's idiotic argument point by point, and HE 
DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT. The only thing he can do is repeat the same stupid thing 
he's already repeated -- and had refuted -- here on FFL dozens of time in the 
past. 

 

 You really can't deal with anyone as dumb as this. I repeat my contention -- 
believing in astrology, God, and the Maharishi Effect really IS like winning 
the Trifecta of Idiocy. How does a mind *become* this weak?  

 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
 
 
   Xeno,
 

 I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the 
statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument.  But he just gave me a lot of 
song and dance about his opinions without providing the evidence for his 
arguments.  Can you give us a solid argument with evidence and support why the 
statements in the KCA have a flaw?
 

 Let's take the KCA which states:
 

 Everything that begins to exist has a cause; The universe began to exist; 
Therefore: The universe has a cause. Do you agree with statement 1 or not?  If 
not, please give us your reasons for disagreeing.
 

 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Logical arguments about ultimates always contain a flaw. You can reverse the 
form of the ar

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ha ha! Here is a good article on it - couple years old but...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-53579/Squatter-owner-100-000-flat.html
  
 
Squatter becomes owner of £100,000 flat
Struggling artist Jack Blackburn yesterday became the owner of the £100,000 
council flat he had squatted in for 13 years  
View on www.dailymail.co.uk Preview by Yahoo  
  



 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of 
such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why 
wasn't it illegal to begin with?


We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the 
homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. 

But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of 
the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a 
statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that 
it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, 
except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. 

To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months 
of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This 
sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't 
give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea 
but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way 
things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist 
the other guy these days.

The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist 
types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action 
group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow 
of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the 
barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged 
much.

But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't let 
their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London 
belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to 
live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if 
you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few 
years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality 
TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got 
these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now 
with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring.






 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




Sorry - I replied too fast. Re "Still there?": No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.

Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 

Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!

[FairfieldLife] Re: It's All About Football

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I was happy for him, but my team got trounced. 42 to 10. manning is amazing to 
watch, really owns the field.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Peyton Manning breaks Brett Favre's TD record
 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300413952/article/peyton-manning-ties-brett-favres-touchdown-record
 
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300413952/article/peyton-manning-ties-brett-favres-touchdown-record
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Or, that you're pulling a Curtis on us.

M: It has not gone unnoticed that these little snipes are in place of your 
actually refuting what I wrote reasonably. It was you who proposed that the 
silly syllogism was a proof for God that would silence Barry in the first place.

Here is the problem. It turns out that you don't understand the basics of what 
a syllogism does in philosophy, so you can't follow the argument showing what 
the problem with it is.
Philosophy is one of those weird fields where people think they can just jump 
in and do it with no training in it. If you don't understand how these tools 
are used, or the history of their use and subsequent corrections in 
philosophical history, you make the obvious error of mistaking something being 
logical with there being a higher probability that it is true. In our daily 
lives we conflate these two concepts all the time. But in philosophy the are 
technical terms for specific things and they are only tangentially related.

If you want to use a formal syllogism to bolster up an unfounded assertion, you 
really need to adhere to how philosophy operates and you might want to crack a 
book and actually study the necessary fundamentals to discuss it beyond the 
trollish snipe level.

Or fly your freak flag high and admit that you have a belief that has nothing 
to do with all this faux philosophy presentation, you just believe it for your 
own reasons that satisfy you. You don't have to try to dress it up as something 
it is not: a logical conclusion from an irrefutable premise. Just stop the 
philosophical front'n routine and enjoy your personal beliefs for what they 
are, your personal beliefs. 

The Kalam argument is a favorite of people who are God believers talking to a 
non philosophically trained audience. It is the intellectual equivalent of an 
actor in a TV commercial donning a white coat with a stethoscope around his 
neck for the appearance of credibility and declaring that 3 out of 4 doctors 
surveyed prefer X brand hemorrhoid cream. It's just buttastic!  







 Xeno, 

 Are you saying that the human mind would not be able to fathom the meaning of 
"begins to exist"?  If that is so, how is it possible for you to begin and end 
a project at work or at home?
 

 But we know that NASA has been able to send the Curiosity rover to Mars which 
is a very high technological feat.  So,  it appears that humans know can 
understand the meaning of "begins to exist".  If not, NASA would not have been 
able to send the rover to Mars.
 

 I believe you're avoiding the question by claiming that you don't know what 
statement 1 of the KCA means.  In other words, you're being disingenuous.  Or, 
that you're pulling a Curtis on us.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 x exists x does not exist
 

 I do not know what the phrase 'begins to exist' means, especially in regard to 
the universe as a whole. If x were an auto-mobile, perhaps one could say that 
when it was partially assembled, it began to exist, but all the components of 
that were manufactured prior to that and merely gathered together with welds, 
bolts, and glue. And those parts had precursors, ad infinitum (almost) to the 
beginning of the universe, before which we have no knowledge, and in fact we 
have only induction as to regard the early universe. And induction is logically 
invalid.
 

 The link I gave in the previous post did do some analysis why the Kalam 
argument is flawed, apparently you did not read it. Here it is again: 
Cosmological Kalamity 
http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html 
 
 Cosmological Kalamity 
http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html Home » Library » 
Modern » Dan Barker »   Cosmological Kalamity Dan Barker "Daddy, if God made 
everything, who made God?" my daughter Kristi asked me, when she was five years 
old.


 
 View on infidels.org 
http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

 I do not know how the universe began.
 I do not know what 'begins to exist' means in this context, can you fill in 
some detail?
 If this were science, all I would have to do is wait for your demonstration of 
the truth of the argument, but as it seems no one knows, I doubt this would be 
forthcoming. As Curtis pointed out, proving a negative is impossible. It is a 
time waster. In science one simply ignores those who do not show up with 
evidence for their claims and thus science ('to know' is the meaning of the 
word) only works with people who actively produce results.
 

 For all I know the Kalam argument might be accidentally true, but essentially 
I just find it unconvincing. If god is un-caused, then god did not begin to 
exist, and if god did not begin to exist, he cannot exist. The word everything 
would seem to include what is called god, other wise, the first sentence 
includes a false concept. We would have not 'everything that beg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

How could you get in unless you broke in? And, how did they keep warm in 
winter, etc. If a house was unoccupied around here, the first thing happens is 
the power gets cut off. Did they just use candles and kerosene heaters??




 From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 


  
Squatting has been popular in the UK since the 14th century - following the 
Black Death! 

Lots and lots of dead people and acres of unoccupied land = living people move 
in.

Until a few years ago the Law took the view that trespassing is a civil 
offense, not a criminal one. Provided the squatters did not break-in or 
otherwise damage the property, police were powerless to remove them. Landlords 
had to apply for an eviction order and could not remove the intruders by force.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of 
such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why 
wasn't it illegal to begin with?




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




Sorry - I replied too fast. Re "Still there?": No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.

Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 

Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

kept passive by low wages and good quality TV. 


Dr. Who keeps 'em mesmerized!




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of 
such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why 
wasn't it illegal to begin with?


We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the 
homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. 

But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of 
the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a 
statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that 
it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, 
except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. 

To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months 
of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This 
sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't 
give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea 
but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way 
things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist 
the other guy these days.

The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist 
types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action 
group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow 
of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the 
barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged 
much.

But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't let 
their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London 
belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to 
live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if 
you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few 
years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality 
TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got 
these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now 
with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring.






 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




Sorry - I replied too fast. Re "Still there?": No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.

Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 

Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This was a particularly nasty trollish comment Jim. I will let most of it ride 
as an indictment of your character. 

But I will correct this: I am not an outsider in my community. I am a leader in 
the arts in education movement and just last week addressed 19 Principals in 
one of my school county districts about the need to bring arts integrated 
teaching in their schools, at the invitation of the regional arts director who 
is a fan of my work. 

As far as making a living in the arts is concerned you got it wrong sorry to 
disappoint, I am very much an insider working to improve the educational system 
in my area with my own choice of music from within the system, and recognized 
by it.

So you can fantasize about me not being successful in my chosen field if you 
want to grind out your own ill will. But it just doesn't fit the actual facts 
of the work I am doing or how it is being recognized in my community.  I was 
just changing lives one classroom at a time today.

Oh yeah:

J: But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world, as 
represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly not sane 
thinking.

There are so many funny things about this I hardly know where to start. If fact 
coming from you the irony is too perfect to comment on. I'll just let the "rest 
of the world" think about who just said this!


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, they are both a piece of work. I think both of them take extreme views, 
in social settings, because both of them feel to be outsiders, in the world 
they inhabit. Their position reminds me of that of the most vociferous born 
again "christians", often found proselytizing, while working minimum wage jobs. 
 

 These are not successful people, Barry and Curtis. Both are white, from upper 
middle class backgrounds, privileged as American citizens, and each with a 
college degree. Yet, not a hill of beans, between them. I am not necessarily 
talking about material possessions, but things like strength of character, 
foresight, humility, social intelligence, and a simple ability to achieve that 
which they set out to do. All of this, is lacking in them. 
 

 So, being emotionally immature, and intellectually lazy, they begin to show 
their discontent with society, that it hasn't rewarded them for their bad 
decisions. They profess atheism, and go all out against God, and enlightenment, 
and any sort of spiritual endeavor that they don't approve of. They see 
themselves failing by societies norms, and have now taken the position, that, 
"You can't fire me, I quit!"
 

 But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world, as 
represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly not sane 
thinking.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The ignorant inquisitor.. 'It's not my experience so it does not exist!'
 Deltablues' technique is the old trick of the materialist's (orthodox) 
inquisitor, “Tell us, what exactly is your creed?” “Tell us in terms detailed 
such that we can understand and then the best of sophists of us will argue it 
out with you trying it point by point. Lot of people have been burned at the 
stake by uber-intellectualistic people like Deltablues is trying to be here on 
FFL.
 -Buck
 

 fleetwood_macncheese responding to Turqb:
 
 Bye, bye, Lenz, Jr.
 

 turquoiseb@...> wrote : 
 See what I mean? Curtis refuted John's idiotic argument point by point, and HE 
DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT. The only thing he can do is repeat the same stupid thing 
he's already repeated -- and had refuted -- here on FFL dozens of time in the 
past. 

 

 You really can't deal with anyone as dumb as this. I repeat my contention -- 
believing in astrology, God, and the Maharishi Effect really IS like winning 
the Trifecta of Idiocy. How does a mind *become* this weak?  

 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
 
 
   Xeno,
 

 I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the 
statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument.  But he just gave me a lot of 
song and dance about his opinions without providing the evidence for his 
arguments.  Can you give us a solid argument with evidence and support why the 
statements in the KCA have a flaw?
 

 Let's take the KCA which states:
 

 Everything that begins to exist has a cause; The universe began to exist; 
Therefore: The universe has a cause. Do you agree with statement 1 or not?  If 
not, please give us your reasons for disagreeing.
 

 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Logical arguments about ultimates always contain a flaw. You can reverse the 
form of the argument to support atheism and if you do not see the flaw, it will 
seem equally valid, that is, that atheism is true. Now there are some atheists 
who definitely believe there is n

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Didn't know Wally Hope but his name came up a lot among the revellers at the 
Windsor Free Festivals. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is the Sid Rawle (R.I.P.) I mention. At Stonehenge in real life!
 

 I recognise him and know the name from somewhere. I think he pops up in the 
biography of anarchist group Crass who lived in a commune in Epping forest. All 
friends of Wally Hope, did you know him? That was one sad story...
 
 

 And if you go to the 53:15 mark in the Winstanley film you'll see him in fine 
ranter mode. 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A

 

 Excellent rant. Shall bookmark for a quiet evening.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : ---In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No alcoholics in my immediate family. Sometimes I just like crusty old 
bastards. I have to shut down now. I have a couple of prescriptions I have to 
fill at the local hospital. They want to stick some needles in this old body of 
mine so they can construct a time line to the grave. There was no one in my 
family like Barry by the way. My best friend, who lives several thousands of 
miles away, whom I met in what is here called middle school, is a crusty old 
atheist scientist. He has no conception of spirituality at all and never seems 
interested in philosophical discussions. So this place, FFL, provides an 
opportunity for discussion, with its varied and mostly insane clientèle. 
Perhaps I am a lawyer; every scoundrel deserves a defence; would you deny Barry 
counsel? Free speech has a hard, sharp edge to it, especially to wimpy, 
contracted minds unaccustomed to thinking. You do all right though, there is 
hope for you.
 

 Lucky you having an addict-free home. You are in the minority I fear. 
 

 Good luck at the hospital - I have a visceral fear of the place. I definitely 
don't want to die in one.
 

 Crusty old bastards are fine as far as they go but after a while it gets a 
little old when they can only continue to sing middle C and then bang on the 
piano until the keys fall off.
 
I had a nice conversation with a driver carrying a biomedical hazard container 
in the elevator, and in fact he would be back in the later afternoon to collect 
the blood samples that were taken from me today by the lab vampires. I have no 
fear of hospitals, perhaps that is because without a hospital and their staffs 
and doctors, I would not be here, though I know a lot of people who have great 
trepidation when it is required they visit one. 
 

 As for pianos, I would give them a violin. To get middle C you need to put the 
first finger in third position on the g-string pressing it to the finger board 
to get that note, and then you have to coordinate that with a stroke of the 
bow, and unlike a piano, if you are not skilled, you will miss the note. More 
variety that way. A cheap violin is a lot easier to replace than the complex 
piano. If they get frustrated, they might break it and silence ensues. Besides 
dirty old men like g-strings; that might hold their rapt attention better than 
a piano.
 

 Now that last paragraph contains an equivocation which is using a word with 
two different senses as if it had only a single sense. This invalidates a 
logical argument. Arguments about the existence or non existence of god often 
contain equivocations, and they are not easy to spot, especially for someone 
like me, who is not trained in philosophy. The Kalam argument contains a great 
potential for equivocation. Also the word argument in logic has a different 
meaning than the word argument used to mean a dispute.
 
 
 








 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard 
of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and 
why wasn't it illegal to begin with?

 

 We've always done it MJ, until recently anyway, it's a way of housing the 
homeless or feeding yourself in critical times. 
 

 But squatting empty buildings became really popular in the 1960's because of 
the housing crisis, I have no idea when the laws were agreed but there was a 
statement you put on the door of the house you let yourself into stating that 
it was now your home and there was basically nothing they could do about it, 
except go to court to have you removed, which generally took ages. 
 

 To put it into perspective, my town has 30% of it's houses empty for 10 months 
of the year and yet there are homeless people sleeping rough everywhere. This 
sort of imbalance in wealth is very bad for society and the government doesn't 
give a damn, they actively make it worse in fact. So squatting was a good idea 
but it did attract a lot of the wrong types who ruined peoples houses. The way 
things are swinging politically it couldn't last. everyone tries to out fascist 
the other guy these days.
 

 The people I knew in squats were either paying off student debts or anarchist 
types living cheap and avoiding officialdom. We ran an environmental action 
group from our pub as well as having awesome parties and plotted the overthrow 
of Maggie Thatcher, but I went to travel the world before they built the 
barricades. It was good clean fun and no one got hurt or even disadvantaged 
much.
 

 But it's all been illegal since a few years ago, the verminous Tories won't 
let their rich friends be inconvenienced in any way so they stopped it. London 
belongs to oligarchs now, the rich have won the class war and there's no way to 
live except by paying vast rent to private landlords or buying a place if 
you're lucky. I don;t know why there hasn't been a revolution in the last few 
years, probably because everyone is kept passive by low wages and good quality 
TV. And there's no good role models. Russell Brand is the best they've got 
these days and he's a multi millionaire. But you'd never get away with it now 
with our easily abused anti - terror laws and government monitoring.
 

 

 

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


 Sorry - I replied too fast. Re "Still there?": No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

 

 Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.
 

 Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 
 

 Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!


 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Squatting has been popular in the UK since the 14th century - following the 
Black Death! 
 

 Lots and lots of dead people and acres of unoccupied land = living people move 
in.
 

 Until a few years ago the Law took the view that trespassing is a civil 
offense, not a criminal one. Provided the squatters did not break-in or 
otherwise damage the property, police were powerless to remove them. Landlords 
had to apply for an eviction order and could not remove the intruders by force.
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard 
of such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and 
why wasn't it illegal to begin with?

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 


 Sorry - I replied too fast. Re "Still there?": No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

 

 Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.
 

 Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 
 

 Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!


 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[salyavin808]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 This is the Sid Rawle (R.I.P.) I mention. At Stonehenge in real life!
 

 I recognise him and know the name from somewhere. I think he pops up in the 
biography of anarchist group Crass who lived in a commune in Epping forest. All 
friends of Wally Hope, did you know him? That was one sad story...
 
 

 And if you go to the 53:15 mark in the Winstanley film you'll see him in fine 
ranter mode. 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A

 

 Excellent rant. Shall bookmark for a quiet evening.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

you will have to explain that to us crass and crude Americans, I never heard of 
such doings as this - and it was legal at one time? Who changed the law and why 
wasn't it illegal to begin with?




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in 
English?
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




Sorry - I replied too fast. Re "Still there?": No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.

Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 

Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 Where is your allotment-squat then?
 

 The last place I squatted was an abandoned hospital in Wood Green. I was a 
late joiner and the only room left to take was the operating room with the 
surgical table still fixed in the centre. It gave me the creeps so I soon moved 
on. Also, the place had a very bad vibe with groups into black magic(!) and no 
sense of community to hold everyone together.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sorry - I replied too fast. Re "Still there?": No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 
 

 Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.
 

 Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 
 

 Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This is the Sid Rawle (R.I.P.) I mention. At Stonehenge in real life! 

 And if you go to the 53:15 mark in the Winstanley film you'll see him in fine 
ranter mode. 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A

 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

For me, turq is like a wounded bear in a cage. I don't think poking at 
him with sticks is really gonna improve the situation! Plus, it's 
really unkind imo.

>
On 10/20/2014 10:58 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
>
Interesting analogy Share. But at some point you have to realize bawee 
is not a bear in a cage but a grown man who chooses every time he 
decides to make a rude and unwarranted dig and insult at virtually 
everyone here. He may be wounded (who isn't?) but I am not going to 
sit around viewing him as a pathetic victim unable to curtail his 
lousy manners. If he is going to participate here then I'm not going 
to let him shit all over me. YMMV.

>
/It's kind of ironic that Barry would turn out to be the most disliked 
informant in the whole group. Years ago I tried to make friends with him 
on Google Groups, because I thought maybe we had a few things in common 
- military brats from Texas hanging out at SIMS with Jerry Jarvis and 
the L.A. music scene. At one time he seemed interested in yoga and 
tantra, since he signed his messages "Uncle Tantra."  It has not been a 
very informing dialog - he seems to be very prejudiced and biased in 
most of his accounts. He doesn't seem to want to talk about a spiritual 
path or the mechanics of consciousness very much. It's almost like he 
got turned. Obviously he is easily susceptible to suggestion. Go figure./

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Sorry - I replied too fast. Re "Still there?": No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 
 

 Excellent, a lot of my friends did squatting and they always looked after the 
places. We all ended up in a nice empty pub once and planned our anti-poll tax 
campaign from the saloon bar. Ah, happy days.
 

 Am currently squatting a bit of land and have divided it up between friends 
into allotments. Worked well for a few years but interest is waning and the 
place is getting overgrown, great sense of achievement when we started though. 
We were the new diggers. 
 

 Shame it's all illegal now, kids these days don't know what they're missing!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sorry - I replied too fast. Re "Still there?": No, we stayed at the squat for 
two years then we got a letter from the owner saying that he was returning from 
Africa, that he'd heard the place was occupied, and could we please vacate the 
premises shortly. We did exactly that - so he never lost out from us using his 
house and we left it in good order. Would all be illegal now of course but was 
still allowed then. And we thought at the time that we were just continuing the 
Levellers work  . . . 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Still here and now.
 

 No way! I knew some guys who squatted a house in Hackney after uni so they 
could pay off their debts, and they stayed so long they ended up owning it! 
Made a fortune they did...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Still here and now.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Re "Why doesn't someone make a movie about the Levellers?"
 

 Your wish is granted. Winstanley is a British film made in 1975.
 

 Wow, instant fulfilment of desires!

Real-life activist Sid Rawle played a Ranter (English Revolution period 
anarchist-type group).

 

 Uber-hippie Sid Rawle helped me set up a squat in Kentish Town in the mid 
seventies!
 

 Cool, are you still there? ;-)

 

 You can see the movie for free here.
 

 I will watch it at my leisure. Ta.
 

 (Re English accents: Gwyneth Paltrow  and Reese Witherspoon are both flawless.)
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A

Re: [FairfieldLife] Marshy's Picture

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/20/2014 11:21 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Don't know why they put his pic in with no article - just a window 
into the past here:

>
/Probably because he spoke at Gaston Hall, Georgetown University D.C. in 
1968, but nobody understood what he was talking about?/

>


https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/bitstream/handle/10822/555297/1968-05-09.pdf?sequence=1

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/20/2014 4:41 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Bye, bye, Lenz, Jr.


>
/It looks like Barry's cognitive dissonance is even worse than I thought 
- he doesn't even realize that Sam Harris is a Buddhist true believer in 
karma - the law of cause and effect. Go figure./

>



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

See what I mean? Curtis refuted John's idiotic argument point by 
point, and HE DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT. The only thing he can do is repeat 
the same stupid thing he's already repeated -- and had refuted -- here 
on FFL dozens of time in the past.


You really can't deal with anyone as dumb as this. I repeat my 
contention -- believing in astrology, God, and the Maharishi Effect 
really IS like winning the Trifecta of Idiocy. How does a mind 
*become* this weak?



*From:* "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

Xeno,

I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with 
the statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument.  But he just gave 
me a lot of song and dance about his opinions without providing the 
evidence for his arguments.  Can you give us a solid argument with 
evidence and support why the statements in the KCA have a flaw?


Let's take the KCA which states:

 1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause;
 2. The universe began to exist;

/Therefore/:

 3. The universe has a cause.

Do you agree with statement 1 or not?  If not, please give us your 
reasons for disagreeing.







---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Logical arguments about ultimates always contain a flaw. You can 
reverse the form of the argument to support atheism and if you do not 
see the flaw, it will seem equally valid, that is, that atheism is 
true. Now there are some atheists who definitely believe there is no 
god and they can be as fanatical as a fundamentalist religionist. 
Probably they would have no sense of humour about their condition. But 
a real atheist simply lacks a particular kind of belief because that 
belief seems neither reasonable or likely. They basically just do not 
care. Barry is just testing memes to see what happens when they are 
activated. We all have memes which are basically little snippets of 
mental routines our minds use. We trade them with each other, but for 
the most part these mental stances are just our opinions about the 
world around us and we tend to be be rather uncritical as to how well 
they really represent what is real, while at the same time taking them 
as reality itself.


Take the TMO memes. On FFL, meditators and former meditators all at 
one time believed certain things about experience were at least 
possible, for example, that if you practice TM, which is not a 
religion, you will find God. The TMO memes specify that we are in a 
state of ignorance, not knowing the nature of reality. But were we 
actually in the state of ignorance, we would not have the capability 
to correctly evaluate what we were told because we would be using 
delusional thinking to evaluate ideas such as transcendence, states of 
consciousness and so forth, so our following this system of thought 
about reality would essentially be an act of insanity, that is, mental 
illness. The system defines us as in some way incapacitated in knowing 
what is real, and then expects us to just jump in, and accept what the 
system says is real.


A discussion of the Kalam argument:

Cosmological Kalamity 





Cosmological Kalamity 

Home » Library » Modern » Dan Barker » Cosmological Kalamity Dan 
Barker "Daddy, if God made everything, who made God?" my daughter 
Kristi asked me, when she was five years old.


View on infidels.org 



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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Barry,

Have you ever thought that atheism is also a belief-- and an 
unreasonable one at that?  The Kalam Cosmological Argument should 
dispel any of your doubts.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the heads-up, lurking reporter

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

You don't read their stuff, but i figured it would make your day to 
learn that Jim and Ann (both who claim that they are not obsessed with 
you) have been bragging about having read A WHOLE BOOK about Rama (the 
same one you told us about) so that they can obsess on you even more 
while trying to demonize you. You were right, this place is a zoo.


Color me not surprised. I guess it gives them something to do other 
than whack off.  :-)

>
On 10/20/2014 2:47 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
>
They must have some serious time on their hands. I thought the 
"unified field" would give Jim endless pleasure and an ego working 
beyond the mere concerns of us mortals so he didn't have to get caught 
up in our tawdry world. Instead it seems that he can't get enough of it!

>
Non sequitur.
>
I often used to wonder what Marshy meant when he lectured about how an 
enlightened mind could only obey the laws of nature. I guess we know 
now, arguing on the internet must be important work for the "unified 
field" It's the modern way I suppose, I just thought that having 
access to all that infinite wisdom might be a bit more impressive to 
behold.

>
Non sequitur.
>
But that's just my waking state consciousness struggling to understand 
something way beyond its meagre limits obviously.

>
/Obviously, since you don't seem to realize that it was Barry who first 
brought up the subject of Frederick Lenz, aka Rama and the levitation 
events in the first place. Not only does this fact indicate the limits 
of your waking state of consciousness. It's starting to look like you're 
suffering from a form of cognitive dissonance - Barry is the informant 
that wants to talk about cults and cult activities. Go figure./

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re "Why doesn't someone make a movie about the Levellers?"
 

 Your wish is granted. Winstanley is a British film made in 1975.

Real-life activist Sid Rawle played a Ranter (English Revolution period 
anarchist-type group).

 

 Uber-hippie Sid Rawle helped me set up a squat in Kentish Town in the mid 
seventies!
 

 You can see the movie for free here.
 

 (Re English accents: Gwyneth Paltrow  and Reese Witherspoon are both flawless.)
 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW12-yt2o6A

Re: [FairfieldLife] Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/20/2014 10:57 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood
swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely
to become irritable adults, scientists claim.

http://shar.es/1mDt8U


>
/"If a man or woman is seriously ill and his spouse's face looks 
shinning and bright, he or she is sure to die."/ - Parashara

>

[FairfieldLife] It's All About Football [1 Attachment]

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

/Peyton Manning breaks Brett Favre's TD record/
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300413952/article/peyton-manning-ties-brett-favres-touchdown-record

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/20/2014 11:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

   

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Bhairitu, I heard "they" raved over Anne Hathaway's accent in Becoming Jane, 
the fic bio of Jane Austin.
 
 
 
 Yup, she could pass for a native. But why they got a Merican to play her in 
the first place is beyond me. Ditto, Bridget Jones. Not that I actually saw 
either movie but the local talent must have felt a slap in the face.
 





 
 It's about "A-List actors" who will get 'mericans to flock like lemmings to 
the multiplexes.
 
 Of course. I'm unmotivated by who the actor is and forget that you guys might 
enjoy watching one of your own impersonate a foreigner.  I can't stand period 
costume drama, all that curtseying and grovelling, life was only like that for 
1% of the country and the rest of us had to pick up the slack. Why doesn't 
someone make a movie about the Tolpuddle Martyrs or the Levellers or the 
Peterloo massacre? That's the stuff for me. Or robots. Movies with robots work 
too.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/20/2014 11:01 AM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Bhairitu, I heard "they" raved over Anne Hathaway's accent in Becoming 
Jane, the fic bio of Jane Austin.


Yup, she could pass for a native. But why they got a Merican to play 
her in the first place is beyond me. Ditto, Bridget Jones. Not that I 
actually saw either movie but the local talent must have felt a slap 
in the face.




It's about "A-List actors" who will get 'mericans to flock like lemmings 
to the multiplexes.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the heads-up, lurking reporter

[pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you now like Richard, creating more than one account for yourself? 
>
One account, several aliases. It helps me keep track of my postings. When I 
make a really serious post I always use may alias the Master_Pundit.
>
This doesn't sound like any reporter I've ever heard. I call bullshit on you, 
you "lurking reporter", you! LOL
>
We are all reporters to a certain extent, even if some are just lurking, 
because any good hacker can see the lurkers alias on the FFL membership list, 
which in itself is a report. The problem, now that Judy is no longer posting, 
is that it's difficult to spot the planted messages - now that the group has 
been infiltrated by outsiders.
>
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You don't read their stuff, but i figured it would make your day to learn that 
Jim and Ann (both who claim that they are not obsessed with you) have been 
bragging about having read A WHOLE BOOK about Rama (the same one you told us 
about) so that they can obsess on you even more while trying to demonize you. 
You were right, this place is a zoo.

 

 Color me not surprised. I guess it gives them something to do other than whack 
off.  :-)
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Bhairitu, I heard "they" raved over Anne Hathaway's accent in Becoming Jane, 
the fic bio of Jane Austin.

 

 Yup, she could pass for a native. But why they got a Merican to play her in 
the first place is beyond me. Ditto, Bridget Jones. Not that I actually saw 
either movie but the local talent must have felt a slap in the face.
 


 On Monday, October 20, 2014 11:23 AM, "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   
 I recall how everyone raved at Renee Zellweger's British accent in "Bridget 
Jones Diary" but I thought it was horrible.  These days though it's possible 
for American actors to have good foreign accents.  I think back in the day that 
there was more demand for foreign actors to do American accents than for 
American actors to do foreign accents.  But now there are good voice coaches 
who can make an American sound like they're from across the pond.  In some 
cases this is due to accent reduction courses for Americans wanting to work or 
teach in other countries.  In our computer age a lot of the accent reduction 
principles have been reduced to a short list to help anyone lose their accent 
when needed.
 
 I became familiar with this trying to help my tantra guru find some accent 
reduction courses and tutors in the SF Bay Area and they are plentiful here.
 
 On 10/20/2014 06:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... 
mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, 
does the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, 
they are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the 
English are in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more 
seriously. 
 

 I have also read that when an American tries to sound, "English", a native of 
England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, 
and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may be 
easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded Irish 
to me. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 . 
 

 And how to read Shakespeare correctly!
 

 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph
 
 
 
 
 
 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph Why English people sound 
American when they sing, and other intriguing linguistic theories


 
 View on www.telegraph.co.uk 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 
 





 

 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Bhairitu, I heard "they" raved over Anne Hathaway's accent in Becoming Jane, 
the fic bio of Jane Austin.



On Monday, October 20, 2014 11:23 AM, "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
I recall how everyone raved at Renee Zellweger's British accent in "Bridget 
Jones Diary" but I thought it was horrible.  These days though it's possible 
for American actors to have good foreign accents.  I think back in the day that 
there was more demand for foreign actors to do American accents than for 
American actors to do foreign accents.  But now there are good voice coaches 
who can make an American sound like they're from across the pond.  In some 
cases this is due to accent reduction courses for Americans wanting to work or 
teach in other countries.  In our computer age a lot of the accent reduction 
principles have been reduced to a short list to help anyone lose their accent 
when needed.

I became familiar with this trying to help my tantra guru find
  some accent reduction courses and tutors in the SF Bay Area and
  they are plentiful here.

On 10/20/2014 06:14 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

  
>I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, does 
>the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, they 
>are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the English 
>are in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more seriously. 
>
>
>I have also read that when an American tries to sound, "English", a native of 
>England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, 
>and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may 
>be easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded 
>Irish to me. 
>
>---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
>. 
>
>
>
>And how to read Shakespeare correctly!
>
>
>5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph
>
>
> 
>
>   
>   5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph  
>Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing 
>linguistic theories 
> 
>View on www.telegraph.co.ukPreview by Yahoo  
>
> 
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

We need  to be aware of the fact that there is physical causality and there is 
philosopical causality.

In Buddhist philosophy, karma is the theory of action and result based on the 
theory of interdependent co-arising or dependent origination which states:  
everything arises in dependence upon multiple causes and conditions; nothing 
exists as a singular, independent entity. 

Everything is caused by something else.

According to Buddhist logic, a cause must, at the same time, be an effect, and 
every effect must also be the cause of something else. The idea of first and 
only cause, something that does not itself need a cause, is nonsensical and 
cannot be applied.

Apparently nobody on in this group is very familiar with basic philosophy or 
logic. Go figure.

>
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On 10/19/2014 6:59 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

 I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the 
statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument.  But he just gave me a lot of 
song and dance about his opinions without providing the evidence for his 
arguments.  Can you give us a solid argument with evidence and support why the 
statements in the KCA have a flaw?
 

 Let's take the KCA which states:
 

 Everything that begins to exist has a cause; The universe began to exist; 
Therefore: The universe has a cause. Do you agree with statement 1 or not?  If 
not, please give us your reasons for disagreeing.

 >
 There was a "big bang" event. This event has an uncaused cause. Causation is 
known through consciousness. 
 Notes:
 
 Causality is the relation between an event and a second event in which the 
second event is a consequence of the first.
 
 Causation (karma) is the bedrock of the historical Buddha's enlightenment 
experience. At that moment he knew the law of cause and effect - the law of 
reciprocity in which every action inevitably leads to a reaction. There are no 
chance events. He realized that everything happens for a reason, that for every 
event there is a cause.
 
 Work cited:
 
 Causality: The Central Philosophy of Buddhism
 by David J. Kalupahana
 University of Hawai'i Press, 1986
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As I've mentioned before this kind of research has been going on in the 
psychology community for years.  This is just one small study.  There were also 
some that looked at the effects of people being born at a different time of 
day.  Like I say we don't really know why astrology seems to get more things 
correct than a "wild ass guess."
 
 But really I just posted the article to push your button and it worked!  :-D 
 

 I wouldn't go as far as to say it was pushed, tickled a bit maybe
 
 On 10/20/2014 09:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 LOL, another interesting article dies at the hands of desperate headline 
writers!
 
 
 You don't really see this as vindication of anything astrological do you?
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood 
 swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely 
 to become irritable adults, scientists claim.
 
 http://shar.es/1mDt8U http://shar.es/1mDt8U


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Hubble's greatest hits

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Indeed. I thought that one of them was even on-topic w.r.t. the existence of 
God, BTW. This one is titled, after all, The Eye of God in the Helix Nebula. 
Now if we could just get a deposition from God's opthamologist certifying that 
this is indeed His Eye, well then the Believers would have something to post 
here as "proof" of His existence, wouldn't they? :-)




 From: salyavin808 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:30 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hubble's greatest hits
 


  
One of mankind's great achievements, the Hubble space telescope just keeps on 
giving.

Hubble Space Telescope's greatest hits - Telegraph

 
   Hubble Space Telescope's greatest hits - Telegraph  
A selection of memorable images taken by the Hubble Space Telescope  
View on www.telegraph.co.uk Preview by Yahoo

[FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[inmadi...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

these studies, should they be valid claims - - - how are these 'astrology'?   
How are these claims tying planetary and lunar movements as cause and effect to 
events on earth?For example, we don't need Astrology to explain the seasons.

Re: [FairfieldLife] If only

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

The article does make a point about Marin being a community that doesn't 
exactly dismiss Indian philosophy.  It's just that they have their own 
local gurus (Adi Da one of them).  Many of them soured on these gurus 
when they learned they were scammed.  And I knew many of these folks and 
they didn't care much for TM'ers either.  But they still like to attend 
bhajans and get their horoscopes read.


On 10/20/2014 09:30 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

Its old news but if only all schools would go this way:

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16310/california-school-loses-funds-over-transcendental-meditation-controversy 



image 







California school loses funds over Transcendental Medita... 
 

Marin County may be etched in the public imagination as a liberal land 
of hot tubs, aging hippies and free thinkers, but even a bastion of 
alternative spirituality ...


View on www.religionnewsblog... 



Preview by Yahoo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 10/20/2014 09:34 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

*From:* salyavin808 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 20, 2014 6:14 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season 
in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim


LOL, another interesting article dies at the hands of desperate 
headline writers!


You don't really see this as vindication of anything astrological do you?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood
swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely
to become irritable adults, scientists claim.

Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may 
affect your personality, scientists claim 



Since much of this latest obsess-on-Barry-fest seems to be people 
acting out their reactions to me posting a few funny graphics about 
atheism making fun of religion, I might as well post a few about 
astrology, just to see what happens.  :-)










_


And of course astrology is bullshit if all you know about it is from 
those Sun sign horoscopes in the newspaper. :-D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

As I've mentioned before this kind of research has been going on in the 
psychology community for years. This is just one small study.  There 
were also some that looked at the effects of people being born at a 
different time of day.  Like I say we don't really know why astrology 
seems to get more things correct than a "wild ass guess."


But really I just posted the article to push your button and it worked! :-D

On 10/20/2014 09:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



LOL, another interesting article dies at the hands of desperate 
headline writers!


You don't really see this as vindication of anything astrological do you?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood
swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely
to become irritable adults, scientists claim.

http://shar.es/1mDt8U

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the heads-up, lurking reporter

['Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]]

NOTICE

Barry isn't mentioned in Mark Laxer's book /Take Me For A Ride, /if 
that's what you're thinking. That's because Barry, contrary to his 
claims, was probably NOT a member of the inner circle of the Lenz group.


What I want to know is why is Barry trying to make us think he was a big 
shot in a dangerous cult, setting up various snow men, and then 
criticizing others for his own /cognitive dissonance/?


This activity of Barry has all the clear indications of /Narcissistic 
Personality Disorder/ (NPD), in which a person is excessively 
preoccupied with personal adequacy, power, prestige and vanity, and 
unable to see the destructive damage they are causing to themselves and 
to others in the process.


Barry sucks as an cult exit counselor!

The question is why is he going to great lengths to plant misleading and 
false messages in order to get angry responses from others so he can 
resolve his own mental /dissociation/? It's beginning to look like Barry 
is an informant of some kind.Go figure.


Where is Dr. Pete when we need him?

>
On 10/20/2014 3:34 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

*From:* salyavin808 
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 20, 2014 9:47 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for the heads-up, lurking reporter

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

You don't read their stuff, but i figured it would make your day to 
learn that Jim and Ann (both who claim that they are not obsessed with 
you) have been bragging about having read A WHOLE BOOK about Rama (the 
same one you told us about) so that they can obsess on you even more 
while trying to demonize you. You were right, this place is a zoo.


Color me not surprised. I guess it gives them something to do other 
than whack off.  :-)


They must have some serious time on their hands. I thought the 
"unified field" would give Jim endless pleasure and an ego working 
beyond the mere concerns of us mortals so he didn't have to get caught 
up in our tawdry world. Instead it seems that he can't get enough of it!


I'm surprised he even needs to read. After all, hasn't he told us many 
times how he just "knows" things?


I often used to wonder what Marshy meant when he lectured about how an 
enlightened mind could only obey the laws of nature. I guess we know 
now, arguing on the internet must be important work for the "unified 
field" It's the modern way I suppose, I just thought that having 
access to all that infinite wisdom might be a bit more impressive to 
behold.


I know. Plus, how much does it really PAY to be obsessed with someone 
on the Internet? I guess we'd have to ask Judy to get the exact pay 
scale.  :-)


But that's just my waking state consciousness struggling to understand 
something way beyond its meagre limits obviously.


Obviously. :-)

[FairfieldLife] If only

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Its old news but if only all schools would go this way:
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/16310/california-school-loses-funds-over-transcendental-meditation-controversy
  
 
California school loses funds over Transcendental Medita...
Marin County may be etched in the public imagination as a liberal land of hot 
tubs, aging hippies and free thinkers, but even a bastion of alternative 
spirituality ...  
View on www.religionnewsblog... Preview by Yahoo  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season in which 
you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim
 


  
LOL, another interesting article dies at the hands of desperate headline 
writers!

You don't really see this as vindication of anything astrological do you?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood 
swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely 
to become irritable adults, scientists claim.

Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your 
personality, scientists claim


 
Since much of this latest obsess-on-Barry-fest seems to be people acting out 
their reactions to me posting a few funny graphics about atheism making fun of 
religion, I might as well post a few about astrology, just to see what happens. 
 :-)

[FairfieldLife] Hubble's greatest hits

[salyavin808]

One of mankind's great achievements, the Hubble space telescope just keeps on 
giving.
 

 Hubble Space Telescope's greatest hits - Telegraph 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/11174628/Hubble-Space-Telescopes-greatest-hits.html

 
 
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/11174628/Hubble-Space-Telescopes-greatest-hits.html
 
 
 Hubble Space Telescope's greatest hits - Telegraph 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/11174628/Hubble-Space-Telescopes-greatest-hits.html
 A selection of memorable images taken by the Hubble Space Telescope
 
 
 
 View on www.telegraph.co.uk 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/picture-galleries/11174628/Hubble-Space-Telescopes-greatest-hits.html
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Marshy's Picture

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Don't know why they put his pic in with no article - just a window into the 
past here:

https://repository.library.georgetown.edu/bitstream/handle/10822/555297/1968-05-09.pdf?sequence=1

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ancient Petroglyph on Mars

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I think it is entirely possible that intelligent beings could have lived 
on Mars millions of years ago and evidence of their existence may still 
remain there.  But it will probably take a country antagonistic to the 
NASA "prime directive" of not revealing such to alert earth creatures to 
this.  But remember they wouldn't necessarily resemble us to exist as an 
intelligent being.  That's just human vanity.


On 10/19/2014 11:31 PM, jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Were there humanoids living on Mars millions of years ago?


http://www.examiner.com/article/mars-and-earth-have-same-ancient-man-rock-engraving-visitors-to-both-planets

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I recall how everyone raved at Renee Zellweger's British accent in 
"Bridget Jones Diary" but I thought it was horrible.  These days though 
it's possible for American actors to have good foreign accents.  I think 
back in the day that there was more demand for foreign actors to do 
American accents than for American actors to do foreign accents.  But 
now there are good voice coaches who can make an American sound like 
they're from across the pond.  In some cases this is due to accent 
reduction courses for Americans wanting to work or teach in other 
countries.  In our computer age a lot of the accent reduction principles 
have been reduced to a short list to help anyone lose their accent when 
needed.


I became familiar with this trying to help my tantra guru find some 
accent reduction courses and tutors in the SF Bay Area and they are 
plentiful here.


On 10/20/2014 06:14 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:


I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when 
each, does the other's. I have found that when English actors do 
American accents, they are far more successful, than the reverse. My 
reasoning is that the English are in general better actors, that they 
take the craft a bit more seriously.



I have also read that when an American tries to sound, "English", a 
native of England hears several distinct accents, from different areas 
of the country, and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more 
homogenized accent, and may be easier to emulate. The 17th century 
English accent in the sample, sounded Irish to me.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
.


And how to read Shakespeare correctly!


5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph 






image 




5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph 
 

Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing 
linguistic theories


View on www.telegraph.co.uk 



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[salyavin808]

 LOL, another interesting article dies at the hands of desperate headline 
writers!
 

 You don't really see this as vindication of anything astrological do you?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood 
 swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely 
 to become irritable adults, scientists claim.
 
 http://shar.es/1mDt8U http://shar.es/1mDt8U

[FairfieldLife] Re: Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Could be - I am far more emotional than my wife is - She was born in January, 
and I was born in June. However her sister, born in July, is also quite 
emotional. Tiny sample size, though. Also, I was born 2 or 3 months premature 
of my due date (born black, then turned blue for awhile), so I don't know how 
that affects the astrology.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood 
 swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely 
 to become irritable adults, scientists claim.
 
 http://shar.es/1mDt8U http://shar.es/1mDt8U

Re: [FairfieldLife] Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Bhairitu, wonderful article. Makes a lot of sense about predominant chemicals. 
Going beyond common sense, summer babies would be Sun in Cancer, thus ruled by 
the ever changing Moon. Or Sun in its own sign of Leo. Could be a bit hot.



On Monday, October 20, 2014 10:57 AM, "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood 
swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely 
to become irritable adults, scientists claim.

http://shar.es/1mDt8U

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, Barry can own his own shit. He is a lousy human being, imo.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For me, turq is like a wounded bear in a cage. I don't think poking at him 
with sticks is really gonna improve the situation! Plus, it's really unkind imo.

 

 Interesting analogy Share. But at some point you have to realize bawee is not 
a bear in a cage but a grown man who chooses every time he decides to make a 
rude and unwarranted dig and insult at virtually everyone here. He may be 
wounded (who isn't?) but I am not going to sit around viewing him as a pathetic 
victim unable to curtail his lousy manners. If he is going to participate here 
then I'm not going to let him shit all over me. YMMV.
 

 









 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No alcoholics in my immediate family. Sometimes I just like crusty old 
bastards. I have to shut down now. I have a couple of prescriptions I have to 
fill at the local hospital. They want to stick some needles in this old body of 
mine so they can construct a time line to the grave. There was no one in my 
family like Barry by the way. My best friend, who lives several thousands of 
miles away, whom I met in what is here called middle school, is a crusty old 
atheist scientist. He has no conception of spirituality at all and never seems 
interested in philosophical discussions. So this place, FFL, provides an 
opportunity for discussion, with its varied and mostly insane clientèle. 
Perhaps I am a lawyer; every scoundrel deserves a defence; would you deny Barry 
counsel? Free speech has a hard, sharp edge to it, especially to wimpy, 
contracted minds unaccustomed to thinking. You do all right though, there is 
hope for you.
 

 Lucky you having an addict-free home. You are in the minority I fear. 
 

 Good luck at the hospital - I have a visceral fear of the place. I definitely 
don't want to die in one.
 

 Crusty old bastards are fine as far as they go but after a while it gets a 
little old when they can only continue to sing middle C and then bang on the 
piano until the keys fall off.
 

 
 
 








 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Share, Barry needs to learn to live with his karma, like the rest of the adults 
here. That is all it is. If it is uncomfortable for him, so what? We all have 
our lessons to learn, and the fact that being an asshole is not socially 
acceptable, carries consequences with it. Yes, we can all feel sorry for Barry, 
but that is not the same thing as excusing him, or pretending that he isn't 
here.  

 I enjoy this forum as much as the next person, just to talk about stuff. If 
someone like Barry wants to show up, and act very inappropriately, I have just 
as much right to react to him, as anyone else. Please remember, he brought all 
of this upon himself. The fact that he is clueless, and you feel sorry for him, 
is irrelevant.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For me, turq is like a wounded bear in a cage. I don't think poking at him 
with sticks is really gonna improve the situation! Plus, it's really unkind imo.

 


 On Monday, October 20, 2014 10:42 AM, "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   No alcoholics in my immediate family. Sometimes I just like crusty old 
bastards. I have to shut down now. I have a couple of prescriptions I have to 
fill at the local hospital. They want to stick some needles in this old body of 
mine so they can construct a time line to the grave. There was no one in my 
family like Barry by the way. My best friend, who lives several thousands of 
miles away, whom I met in what is here called middle school, is a crusty old 
atheist scientist. He has no conception of spirituality at all and never seems 
interested in philosophical discussions. So this place, FFL, provides an 
opportunity for discussion, with its varied and mostly insane clientèle. 
Perhaps I am a lawyer; every scoundrel deserves a defence; would you deny Barry 
counsel? Free speech has a hard, sharp edge to it, especially to wimpy, 
contracted minds unaccustomed to thinking. You do all right though, there is 
hope for you.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You wish to offload the feelings you have in response to what someone says to 
you, about you, about others, to that someone for blame or revenge? In my 
experience, whether or not a person is nice or abusive, that person always 
distorts another person's values and ideas because no two minds are exactly 
alike. There can be superficial agreement, but if you dig deep enough, 
understandings, feelings etc., do not line up between two people. You are 
letting Barry get to you, he tried it with me too, and I took a step back and 
tried to analyse my response.  

 As Barry does not seem to go about shooting others with firearms or stabbing 
them with knives, or attempting to ruin others nefariously by financial 
manipulation it seems possible to come to some accommodation. I found it was 
possible. I was never able to come to an accommodation with Judy Stein for 
example, although when I first came on here, she was friendly and Barry was 
hostile. 
 

 There are certain affinities but they may be entirely superficial. He likes 
certain kinds of music. So do I, but we have different tastes. I pursued 
spirituality from basically an atheist point of view because I knew it was 
possible, and Barry seems to be in a non-religious space as well. Barry appears 
to like Curtis, and so do I. This thread, started by Barry, is wonderful for 
the kind of discussion that it can dredge up because it relates to ultimate 
questions about what we can know and tends to illuminate responses that give us 
an inkling of how other view the world. There is a terrible lack of humour in 
the religious world. 
 

 The main affinity here is that all ideas are open to discussion here, and no 
ideas are sacrosanct. Barry would not give me a free ride were he to disagree 
with me about something. I have never met Barry (and logically therefore he has 
never met me); we live thousands of miles apart. I have seen a single rather 
grungy photo of him, apparently shot in Paris, one version in colour and the 
other in black and white on his linkedin page (you really should get a better 
shot Barry if you read this).
 

 If you really want to see repetitive button pushing behaviour and response you 
should watch the Jerry Springer show on TV. Marvellous primate studies of human 
mating behaviour. You cannot get much lower than this. At least here people 
think from time to time.
 

 Now if you think Barry is abusive, bitter, negative, and we suppose this were 
true, how much space would you allow him to vent his frustrations and give him 
the opportunity to grow?
 

 My first spiritual experiences came at the hands of one John Rosenberg (AKA 
Werner Erhard). I had no inkling that I was going to have a spiritual 
experience. He began his course by calling everyone in the room a bunch of god 
damn ass holes. The purpose was to elicit conditioned responses, and some took 
the bait. But the idea behind the method wa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 For me, turq is like a wounded bear in a cage. I don't think poking at him 
with sticks is really gonna improve the situation! Plus, it's really unkind imo.

 

 Interesting analogy Share. But at some point you have to realize bawee is not 
a bear in a cage but a grown man who chooses every time he decides to make a 
rude and unwarranted dig and insult at virtually everyone here. He may be 
wounded (who isn't?) but I am not going to sit around viewing him as a pathetic 
victim unable to curtail his lousy manners. If he is going to participate here 
then I'm not going to let him shit all over me. YMMV.
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Could astrology be correct? The season in which you were born may affect your personality, scientists claim

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Babies born in the summer are much more likely to suffer from mood 
swings when they grow up, while those born in the winter are less likely 
to become irritable adults, scientists claim.

http://shar.es/1mDt8U

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I think you are on the right track Ann. Particularly nettle-some in a 
discussion of ultimate origins is time. In current cosmology, time-space did 
not exist prior to the universe, therefore there was no time before the 
universe's beginning and it is meaningless to speak of events or anything as 
'having been before'. It is really difficult to wrap the mind around a 
situation like this because it makes no sense in terms of common experience. 
Maybe it will never make sense. 

 Semantics are important in fashioning an argument, but it is difficult to do 
this if the basic ideas are really beyond our ability to conceptualise. You 
have already demonstrated here that you have a clearer grasp of this discussion 
than jr-esq, though you do not strike me as a philosopher.
 

 Arguments in the absence of evidence are difficult. This happens in science 
sometimes, but there are usually good reasons to suppose something in this way. 
Tell you what, I will sell you my silver-white unicorn for $320,000 Canadian. 
Payment before delivery. We all know that unicorns exist because we can think 
and imagine what they look like. They prefer halters by the way, if you want to 
ride.
 

 Thank you for your offer. At the current rate of exchange that is about 11 
cents on the dollar so I would be doing quite well (you would be losing about 
33K on this deal as you are in the US). If I did need a unicorn I would take 
you up on it and I don't think I'd need to ride it, they are just great enough 
standing there naked but thank you for the halter tip; I do believe they might 
take umbrage at a bit in their mouth.
 




  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Vegetarians have much lower sperm counts

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Which explains why India has such a small population. :-D 
 

 Hmmm, I wonder what not eating anything does to your sperm count?
 
 On 10/20/2014 12:50 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   There's always a catch
 

 Vegetarians have much lower sperm counts - Telegraph
 
 
 
 
 
 Vegetarians have much lower sperm counts - Telegraph A diet rich in fruit and 
vegetables may harm fertility, say researchers at Loma Linda University Medical 
School


 
 View on www.telegraph.co.uk 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Thanks - My bandwidth up here is awful, so youtubes are more trouble than they 
are worth, but it will be upgraded later today. I'll listen then -  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Same is true for a foreigner trying to sing in German. One of the worlds most 
famous interpreter of Schubert's lieder is an Irishman and it sounds awful in 
my ears. This is how it should sound, enjoy:
 Dietrich Fischer Dieskau Der Lindenbaum Die Winterreise 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg
 
 Dietrich Fischer Dieskau Der Lindenbaum Die Winterreise 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg Dietrich Fischer Dieskau Der 
Lindenbaum Die Winterreise


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyxMMg6bxrg 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 Schubert: "Die Forelle" (Fischer-Dieskau, Moore) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9DrUXowBo
 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9DrUXowBo
 
 Schubert: "Die Forelle" (Fischer-Dieskau,... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9DrUXowBo In answer to a request... Schubert 
wrote no fewer than five versions of this song, and also based his Trout 
Quintet, D667 on it. It's a charming mini-drama, ...


 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF9DrUXowBo 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, does 
the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, they 
are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the English are 
in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more seriously.  

 I have also read that when an American tries to sound, "English", a native of 
England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, 
and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may be 
easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded Irish 
to me. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
. 
 

 And how to read Shakespeare correctly!
 

 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html

 
 
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html
 
 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html
 Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing 
linguistic theories


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

More enabling, dude. You are in it, deep. "Sometimes I just like crusty old 
bastards". You forgot to add, "when they share the same bitter and empty world 
view, as I do". As I recall, you took me to task for saying fuck too often, so 
I doubt it is the crust you like, as much as someone living in a world similar 
to your own. You are quite passive-aggressive in your fakey-neutral way of 
writing. I ain't falling for it, either.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 No alcoholics in my immediate family. Sometimes I just like crusty old 
bastards. I have to shut down now. I have a couple of prescriptions I have to 
fill at the local hospital. They want to stick some needles in this old body of 
mine so they can construct a time line to the grave. There was no one in my 
family like Barry by the way. My best friend, who lives several thousands of 
miles away, whom I met in what is here called middle school, is a crusty old 
atheist scientist. He has no conception of spirituality at all and never seems 
interested in philosophical discussions. So this place, FFL, provides an 
opportunity for discussion, with its varied and mostly insane clientèle. 
Perhaps I am a lawyer; every scoundrel deserves a defence; would you deny Barry 
counsel? Free speech has a hard, sharp edge to it, especially to wimpy, 
contracted minds unaccustomed to thinking. You do all right though, there is 
hope for you. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You wish to offload the feelings you have in response to what someone says to 
you, about you, about others, to that someone for blame or revenge? In my 
experience, whether or not a person is nice or abusive, that person always 
distorts another person's values and ideas because no two minds are exactly 
alike. There can be superficial agreement, but if you dig deep enough, 
understandings, feelings etc., do not line up between two people. You are 
letting Barry get to you, he tried it with me too, and I took a step back and 
tried to analyse my response.  

 As Barry does not seem to go about shooting others with firearms or stabbing 
them with knives, or attempting to ruin others nefariously by financial 
manipulation it seems possible to come to some accommodation. I found it was 
possible. I was never able to come to an accommodation with Judy Stein for 
example, although when I first came on here, she was friendly and Barry was 
hostile. 
 

 There are certain affinities but they may be entirely superficial. He likes 
certain kinds of music. So do I, but we have different tastes. I pursued 
spirituality from basically an atheist point of view because I knew it was 
possible, and Barry seems to be in a non-religious space as well. Barry appears 
to like Curtis, and so do I. This thread, started by Barry, is wonderful for 
the kind of discussion that it can dredge up because it relates to ultimate 
questions about what we can know and tends to illuminate responses that give us 
an inkling of how other view the world. There is a terrible lack of humour in 
the religious world. 
 

 The main affinity here is that all ideas are open to discussion here, and no 
ideas are sacrosanct. Barry would not give me a free ride were he to disagree 
with me about something. I have never met Barry (and logically therefore he has 
never met me); we live thousands of miles apart. I have seen a single rather 
grungy photo of him, apparently shot in Paris, one version in colour and the 
other in black and white on his linkedin page (you really should get a better 
shot Barry if you read this).
 

 If you really want to see repetitive button pushing behaviour and response you 
should watch the Jerry Springer show on TV. Marvellous primate studies of human 
mating behaviour. You cannot get much lower than this. At least here people 
think from time to time.
 

 Now if you think Barry is abusive, bitter, negative, and we suppose this were 
true, how much space would you allow him to vent his frustrations and give him 
the opportunity to grow?
 

 My first spiritual experiences came at the hands of one John Rosenberg (AKA 
Werner Erhard). I had no inkling that I was going to have a spiritual 
experience. He began his course by calling everyone in the room a bunch of god 
damn ass holes. The purpose was to elicit conditioned responses, and some took 
the bait. But the idea behind the method was to eventually within the course 
structure to get people to realise in their own experience how these 
conditioned responses situate themselves within and how they arise, and how to 
begin to deal with them. So what Barry does does not bother me, I have been 
dealing with my own conditioned responses going on half a century so I just do 
not care that you are seemingly upset. Being enlightened, you should know 
enough by now to deal with that yourself.
 

 From my side, if I want an abusive relationship with either a spouse or a 
spiritual teach

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The seduction of silence

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Well I read these insights in science and medical articles, so probably pretty 
straight forward stuff.



On Monday, October 20, 2014 10:33 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Ann, here are some more reasons to love how nature works: the leaves of trees 
take on warmer colors in the autumn, as the air becomes cooler; trees become 
bare in the winter so that more sunlight can reach us with its warmth; in 
summer the leaves are plentiful and thus shade us from the sun; and in spring, 
that gorgeous green helps us detox after a slothful winter. (In Chinese 
medicine green is the color that helps the liver.)


It would be nice to think that nature is designed to accommodate us like that, 
that we are the equivalent of the center of nature's universe. In that way, 
hopefully without being too egocentric, we can continue to view nature as 
generous, gentle and nourishing. 


On Monday, October 20, 2014 8:54 AM,
"awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]"  wrote:



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Nablusoss, wrt light, for the past month or so I've become so aware of the 
sunlight, or any light for that matter. But the sunlight is so sublime, almost 
a living thing. Its silence is definitely a beautiful song.


Sunlight at this time of year is less direct and has a yellower and oranger hue 
to it. Autumn sunlight has more color than summer sunlight. I
notice it too. There is more than just leaf color and air temperature that 
distinguishes one time of the year from another.


On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:57 AM, nablusoss1008  
wrote:



 


I've been having the same experience whenever going to a cabin far from other 
people for a few days particularily observing silence, no talking or calls. 
Silence becomes so dominating and thick one can almost touch and certainly see 
it as small balls of light joyfully floating around. It's tempting to spend 
longer periods of time in such a manner, perhaps in the Mountains.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


One thing I have noticed in my new neck of the woods, is the silence. No more 
hum and growl of traffic, the vibration of the freeways. I have several musical 
instruments, and a lot of music, but the silence is so seductive, I find myself 
keeping the house as quiet inside, as
the outside. Most of the time it is thickly and peacefully silent, here. I had 
ideas before being here, that now that I have the space, and distance from 
neighbors, I could listen to songs at concert volume, but I have yet to do so. 
Far more soothing to hear the quiet. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

For me, turq is like a wounded bear in a cage. I don't think poking at him with 
sticks is really gonna improve the situation! Plus, it's really unkind imo.



On Monday, October 20, 2014 10:42 AM, "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 


  
No alcoholics in my immediate family. Sometimes I just like crusty old 
bastards. I have to shut down now. I have a couple of prescriptions I have to 
fill at the local hospital. They want to stick some needles in this old body of 
mine so they can construct a time line to the grave. There was no one in my 
family like Barry by the way. My best friend, who lives several thousands of 
miles away, whom I met in what is here called middle school, is a crusty old 
atheist scientist. He has no conception of spirituality at all and never seems 
interested in philosophical discussions. So this place, FFL, provides an 
opportunity for discussion, with its varied and mostly insane clientèle. 
Perhaps I am a lawyer; every scoundrel deserves a defence; would you deny Barry 
counsel? Free speech has a hard, sharp edge to it, especially to wimpy, 
contracted minds unaccustomed to thinking. You do all right though, there is 
hope for you.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


You wish to offload the feelings you have in response to what someone says to 
you, about you, about others, to that someone for blame or revenge? In my 
experience, whether or not a person is nice or abusive, that person always 
distorts another person's values and ideas because no two minds are exactly 
alike. There can be superficial agreement, but if you dig deep enough, 
understandings, feelings etc., do not line up between two people. You are 
letting Barry get to you, he tried it with me too, and I took a step back and 
tried to analyse my response. 

As Barry does not seem to go about shooting others with firearms or stabbing 
them with knives, or attempting to ruin others nefariously by financial 
manipulation it seems possible to come to some accommodation. I found it was 
possible. I was never able to come to an accommodation with Judy Stein for 
example, although when I first came on here, she was friendly and Barry was 
hostile. 

There are certain affinities but they may be entirely superficial. He likes 
certain kinds of music. So do I, but we have different tastes. I pursued 
spirituality from basically an atheist point of view because I knew it was 
possible, and Barry seems to be in a non-religious space as well. Barry appears 
to like Curtis, and so do I. This thread, started by Barry, is wonderful for 
the kind of discussion that it can dredge up because it relates to ultimate 
questions about what we can know and tends to illuminate responses that give us 
an inkling of how other view the world. There is a terrible lack of humour in 
the religious world. 

The main affinity here is that all ideas are open to discussion here, and no 
ideas are sacrosanct. Barry would not give me a free ride were he to disagree 
with me about something. I have never met Barry (and logically therefore he has 
never met me); we live thousands of miles apart. I have seen a single rather 
grungy photo of him, apparently shot in Paris, one version in colour and the 
other in black and white on his linkedin page (you really should get a better 
shot Barry if you read this).

If you really want to see repetitive button pushing behaviour and response you 
should watch the Jerry Springer show on TV. Marvellous primate studies of human 
mating behaviour. You cannot get much lower than this. At least here people 
think from time to time.

Now if you think Barry is abusive, bitter, negative, and we suppose this were 
true, how much space would you allow him to vent his frustrations and give him 
the opportunity to grow?

My first spiritual experiences came at the hands of one John Rosenberg (AKA 
Werner Erhard). I had no inkling that I was going to have a spiritual 
experience. He began his course by calling everyone in the room a bunch of god 
damn ass holes. The purpose was to elicit conditioned responses, and some took 
the bait. But the idea behind the method was to eventually within the course 
structure to get people to realise in their own experience how these 
conditioned responses situate themselves within and how they arise, and how to 
begin to deal with them. So what Barry does does not bother me, I have been 
dealing with my own conditioned responses going on half a century so I just do 
not care that you are seemingly upset. Being enlightened, you should know 
enough by now to deal with that yourself.

>From my side, if I want an abusive relationship with either a spouse or a 
>spiritual teacher I'd go and find one on my own. I don't need bawee to provide 
>this button pushing service for me. You're giving this asshat a free ride to 
>spew his anger and frustration and just plain rotten manners all over without 
>holding him responsible l

Re: [FairfieldLife] Vegetarians have much lower sperm counts

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Which explains why India has such a small population. :-D

On 10/20/2014 12:50 AM, salyavin808 wrote:


There's always a catch


Vegetarians have much lower sperm counts - Telegraph 






image 
 




Vegetarians have much lower sperm counts - Telegraph 
 

A diet rich in fruit and vegetables may harm fertility, say 
researchers at Loma Linda University Medical School


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Thanks for the heads-up, lurking reporter

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Things have seriously taken a turn for the worse, since then. Perhaps it has 
slowly dawned on him, how much he was damaged by Lenz, in terms of relating to 
normal people, in a normal way. Or not.:-o
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, but this is merely to foster Barry's image of himself. There were a few 
contradictory clues to that, in Mark's book. Watch when all of the purges 
occurred in Lenz's organization, and how those that were left, had to swear 
absolute fealty to Lenz, with deeper and deeper loyalty, each time the group 
was purged. Barry made it through all of the purges, and that speaks for 
itself. Also, Barry was more than likely kicked out of the organization, since 
that was another Lenz hallmark, when a chump wanted to leave.
 

 Some interesting excerpts from bawee's little memoir:
 

 I never put much serious effort into writing stories about my spiritual 
experiences for publication. I just wrote them for myself. And of course, being 
the somewhat ego-centered individual that I am, many of these stories weren't 
about Rama at all - they were about me. They were about the cool moments that I 
had experienced while pursuing my own weird pathway to enlightenment.
 

 

 The stories are not about Rama per se. Other, more talented and less 
egocentric writers will create those books. These are just the stories of a 
normal, everyday seeker who was fortunate enough to have had some remarkable 
experiences in the aura of a remarkable teacher. Don't expect revelations or 
gossip from an insider or member of the 'inner circle.' I wasn't that great a 
student, and had very few personal interactions with the man. And many of them 
were in public restrooms. So the stories are mine, but if he was the excellent 
teacher I believe he was, his teaching should somehow reveal itself in these 
stories about my life. Because he helped shape that life, and I am grateful to 
him for his skill and craftsmanship.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Thanks for the heads-up, lurking reporter

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Things have seriously taken a turn for the worse, since then. Perhaps it has 
slowly dawned on him, how much he was damaged by Lenz, in terms of relating to 
normal people, in a normal way. Or not.:-o
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, but this is merely to foster Barry's image of himself. There were a few 
contradictory clues to that, in Mark's book. Watch when all of the purges 
occurred in Lenz's organization, and how those that were left, had to swear 
absolute fealty to Lenz, with deeper and deeper loyalty, each time the group 
was purged. Barry made it through all of the purges, and that speaks for 
itself. Also, Barry was more than likely kicked out of the organization, since 
that was another Lenz hallmark, when a chump wanted to leave.
 

 Some interesting excerpts from bawee's little memoir:
 

 I never put much serious effort into writing stories about my spiritual 
experiences for publication. I just wrote them for myself. And of course, being 
the somewhat ego-centered individual that I am, many of these stories weren't 
about Rama at all - they were about me. They were about the cool moments that I 
had experienced while pursuing my own weird pathway to enlightenment.
 

 

 The stories are not about Rama per se. Other, more talented and less 
egocentric writers will create those books. These are just the stories of a 
normal, everyday seeker who was fortunate enough to have had some remarkable 
experiences in the aura of a remarkable teacher. Don't expect revelations or 
gossip from an insider or member of the 'inner circle.' I wasn't that great a 
student, and had very few personal interactions with the man. And many of them 
were in public restrooms. So the stories are mine, but if he was the excellent 
teacher I believe he was, his teaching should somehow reveal itself in these 
stories about my life. Because he helped shape that life, and I am grateful to 
him for his skill and craftsmanship.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No alcoholics in my immediate family. Sometimes I just like crusty old 
bastards. I have to shut down now. I have a couple of prescriptions I have to 
fill at the local hospital. They want to stick some needles in this old body of 
mine so they can construct a time line to the grave. There was no one in my 
family like Barry by the way. My best friend, who lives several thousands of 
miles away, whom I met in what is here called middle school, is a crusty old 
atheist scientist. He has no conception of spirituality at all and never seems 
interested in philosophical discussions. So this place, FFL, provides an 
opportunity for discussion, with its varied and mostly insane clientèle. 
Perhaps I am a lawyer; every scoundrel deserves a defence; would you deny Barry 
counsel? Free speech has a hard, sharp edge to it, especially to wimpy, 
contracted minds unaccustomed to thinking. You do all right though, there is 
hope for you. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You wish to offload the feelings you have in response to what someone says to 
you, about you, about others, to that someone for blame or revenge? In my 
experience, whether or not a person is nice or abusive, that person always 
distorts another person's values and ideas because no two minds are exactly 
alike. There can be superficial agreement, but if you dig deep enough, 
understandings, feelings etc., do not line up between two people. You are 
letting Barry get to you, he tried it with me too, and I took a step back and 
tried to analyse my response.  

 As Barry does not seem to go about shooting others with firearms or stabbing 
them with knives, or attempting to ruin others nefariously by financial 
manipulation it seems possible to come to some accommodation. I found it was 
possible. I was never able to come to an accommodation with Judy Stein for 
example, although when I first came on here, she was friendly and Barry was 
hostile. 
 

 There are certain affinities but they may be entirely superficial. He likes 
certain kinds of music. So do I, but we have different tastes. I pursued 
spirituality from basically an atheist point of view because I knew it was 
possible, and Barry seems to be in a non-religious space as well. Barry appears 
to like Curtis, and so do I. This thread, started by Barry, is wonderful for 
the kind of discussion that it can dredge up because it relates to ultimate 
questions about what we can know and tends to illuminate responses that give us 
an inkling of how other view the world. There is a terrible lack of humour in 
the religious world. 
 

 The main affinity here is that all ideas are open to discussion here, and no 
ideas are sacrosanct. Barry would not give me a free ride were he to disagree 
with me about something. I have never met Barry (and logically therefore he has 
never met me); we live thousands of miles apart. I have seen a single rather 
grungy photo of him, apparently shot in Paris, one version in colour and the 
other in black and white on his linkedin page (you really should get a better 
shot Barry if you read this).
 

 If you really want to see repetitive button pushing behaviour and response you 
should watch the Jerry Springer show on TV. Marvellous primate studies of human 
mating behaviour. You cannot get much lower than this. At least here people 
think from time to time.
 

 Now if you think Barry is abusive, bitter, negative, and we suppose this were 
true, how much space would you allow him to vent his frustrations and give him 
the opportunity to grow?
 

 My first spiritual experiences came at the hands of one John Rosenberg (AKA 
Werner Erhard). I had no inkling that I was going to have a spiritual 
experience. He began his course by calling everyone in the room a bunch of god 
damn ass holes. The purpose was to elicit conditioned responses, and some took 
the bait. But the idea behind the method was to eventually within the course 
structure to get people to realise in their own experience how these 
conditioned responses situate themselves within and how they arise, and how to 
begin to deal with them. So what Barry does does not bother me, I have been 
dealing with my own conditioned responses going on half a century so I just do 
not care that you are seemingly upset. Being enlightened, you should know 
enough by now to deal with that yourself.
 

 From my side, if I want an abusive relationship with either a spouse or a 
spiritual teacher I'd go and find one on my own. I don't need bawee to provide 
this button pushing service for me. You're giving this asshat a free ride to 
spew his anger and frustration and just plain rotten manners all over without 
holding him responsible like any normal/decent human being. Cut with the 
dissertations, Xeno, sometimes you just have to realize some very simple facts. 
You're quite the apologist for him. It makes me think you played this enabling 
role in your family at some 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Thanks for the heads-up, lurking reporter

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, but this is merely to foster Barry's image of himself. There were a few 
contradictory clues to that, in Mark's book. Watch when all of the purges 
occurred in Lenz's organization, and how those that were left, had to swear 
absolute fealty to Lenz, with deeper and deeper loyalty, each time the group 
was purged. Barry made it through all of the purges, and that speaks for 
itself. Also, Barry was more than likely kicked out of the organization, since 
that was another Lenz hallmark, when a chump wanted to leave.
 

 Some interesting excerpts from bawee's little memoir:
 

 I never put much serious effort into writing stories about my spiritual 
experiences for publication. I just wrote them for myself. And of course, being 
the somewhat ego-centered individual that I am, many of these stories weren't 
about Rama at all - they were about me. They were about the cool moments that I 
had experienced while pursuing my own weird pathway to enlightenment.
 

 

 The stories are not about Rama per se. Other, more talented and less 
egocentric writers will create those books. These are just the stories of a 
normal, everyday seeker who was fortunate enough to have had some remarkable 
experiences in the aura of a remarkable teacher. Don't expect revelations or 
gossip from an insider or member of the 'inner circle.' I wasn't that great a 
student, and had very few personal interactions with the man. And many of them 
were in public restrooms. So the stories are mine, but if he was the excellent 
teacher I believe he was, his teaching should somehow reveal itself in these 
stories about my life. Because he helped shape that life, and I am grateful to 
him for his skill and craftsmanship.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The seduction of silence

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, I have not been there, since 1992. I am sure there have been a few changes.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fleet, I think you and your wife would thoroughly enjoy FF. But be sure to 
come for First Friday Art Walk any month...hmmm, maybe better wait for April!

 


 On Monday, October 20, 2014 7:28 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 
 

   Enjoy the dome! I may have to get up there one of these days, and fly around 
with y'all. I still have my badge, with my picture, taken in 1980, in a 
Missouri strawberry field, mid-Winter, looking bleary-eyed, with messy hair.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Fleet, I'd love to see it...ok, now really rushing to Dome!

 


 On Monday, October 20, 2014 7:03 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 
 

   This reminds me of a video I captured recently, of a deer feeding in my 
meadow, with the sun streaming like an umbrella of light, through the trees, at 
about 7:30 AM, two days ago. I will have to do a screen shot and show you, but 
the card is back in the camera at the moment, and I haven't copied it over yet.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nablusoss, wrt light, for the past month or so I've become so aware of the 
sunlight, or any light for that matter. But the sunlight is so sublime, almost 
a living thing. Its silence is definitely a beautiful song.

 


 On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:57 AM, nablusoss1008  
wrote:
 
 

   

 I've been having the same experience whenever going to a cabin far from other 
people for a few days particularily observing silence, no talking or calls. 
Silence becomes so dominating and thick one can almost touch and certainly see 
it as small balls of light joyfully floating around. It's tempting to spend 
longer periods of time in such a manner, perhaps in the Mountains.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One thing I have noticed in my new neck of the woods, is the silence. No more 
hum and growl of traffic, the vibration of the freeways. I have several musical 
instruments, and a lot of music, but the silence is so seductive, I find myself 
keeping the house as quiet inside, as the outside. Most of the time it is 
thickly and peacefully silent, here. I had ideas before being here, that now 
that I have the space, and distance from neighbors, I could listen to songs at 
concert volume, but I have yet to do so. Far more soothing to hear the quiet. 



 















 


 













 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

No problem, however, God also, in His sublime glory, allows me to see Barry as 
the bitter, abusive, clueless, angry, broke, unhappy, emotionally stunted, 
romantically empty, little nobody, that he is!  

 Yes, Praise God! Let Thy Will Be Done!

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 God would not make bitter, angry, inflexible curmudgeons if He in is sublime 
glory did not want it so. Let Thy will be done.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Now if you think Barry is abusive, bitter, negative, and we suppose this were 
true, how much space would you allow him to vent his frustrations and give him 
the opportunity to grow?
 

 What you seem to forget is that the Turq has been doing his negative routine 
here for many years without showing any sign of growth. Quite the contrary, his 
attacts on fellow posters have become more intense after Judy left, and even 
more so after his traits were tracked back to his crazy guru by -fleetwood.
 He is showing all the signs of an old, bitter non-meditating man, unflexible 
and angry.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The seduction of silence

[awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ann, here are some more reasons to love how nature works: the leaves of trees 
take on warmer colors in the autumn, as the air becomes cooler; trees become 
bare in the winter so that more sunlight can reach us with its warmth; in 
summer the leaves are plentiful and thus shade us from the sun; and in spring, 
that gorgeous green helps us detox after a slothful winter. (In Chinese 
medicine green is the color that helps the liver.)

 

 It would be nice to think that nature is designed to accommodate us like that, 
that we are the equivalent of the center of nature's universe. In that way, 
hopefully without being too egocentric, we can continue to view nature as 
generous, gentle and nourishing. 
 


 On Monday, October 20, 2014 8:54 AM, "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 
 

   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nablusoss, wrt light, for the past month or so I've become so aware of the 
sunlight, or any light for that matter. But the sunlight is so sublime, almost 
a living thing. Its silence is definitely a beautiful song.

 

 Sunlight at this time of year is less direct and has a yellower and oranger 
hue to it. Autumn sunlight has more color than summer sunlight. I notice it 
too. There is more than just leaf color and air temperature that distinguishes 
one time of the year from another.
 


 On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:57 AM, nablusoss1008  
wrote:
 
 

   

 I've been having the same experience whenever going to a cabin far from other 
people for a few days particularily observing silence, no talking or calls. 
Silence becomes so dominating and thick one can almost touch and certainly see 
it as small balls of light joyfully floating around. It's tempting to spend 
longer periods of time in such a manner, perhaps in the Mountains.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One thing I have noticed in my new neck of the woods, is the silence. No more 
hum and growl of traffic, the vibration of the freeways. I have several musical 
instruments, and a lot of music, but the silence is so seductive, I find myself 
keeping the house as quiet inside, as the outside. Most of the time it is 
thickly and peacefully silent, here. I had ideas before being here, that now 
that I have the space, and distance from neighbors, I could listen to songs at 
concert volume, but I have yet to do so. Far more soothing to hear the quiet. 



 














 


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Vatican votes against empathy....

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

salyavin, again what I notice is that as transparency increases, so too do the 
attempts to squelch it. But fortunately some of these movements are like giant 
snowballs rolling down a snowy mountain. Ain't nothing gonna stop them!



On Monday, October 20, 2014 9:41 AM, salyavin808  
wrote:
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


salyavin, he actually commented that dissent is good and increased transparency 
is good. So those are also wins. Just to be really picky wicky (-:

You kind of remind me of something my youngest sister said to me back in 2002 
when I was leaving MUM campus. She asked why I didn't stay in the TMO and 
change from there. Now, 12 years later, I think I know why. I needed to become 
the change I want to see. My guess is Pope Francis is already highly developed 
and so can change
from inside the org.

What is the current jail term for trolling?


6 months, if you are really naughty to someone famous and the subsequent story 
hits the press. The government like to appear like they are doing something 
useful even though we've already got harassment and abusive behaviour laws.

Inventing new crimes for these reasons never ends well, our anti-terrorism laws 
are vague enough that the police can arrest you for just about anything and 
hold you without charge for 36 hours, should they want to. This has been used 
on environmental protesters and a comedian who was about to give a talk on the 
arms trade. Hardly the intended targets but handy for the government. 

What I see here is a new way of controlling free speech about to get put on the 
statute books without anyone noticing. I believe the term is crisis capitalism, 
make the most out of something bad and tell everyone it's for their own good.

On Monday, October 20, 2014 7:21 AM, salyavin808  
wrote:



 




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Not your headline, salyavin, The Guardian's, calling Pope Francis a loser. wrt 
your Subject line, I like that it highlights empathy. But the lack is in many 
of the bishops, not in the Pope. I think he's a ray of light in the Catholic 
Church. We'll see if the ray brings along other rays (-:


Oh good. But he did lose the vote so that makes him a loser in this case, and 
being stuck in a hideous organisation like the Catholic church doesn't help him 
in the slightest as far as I'm concerned (all that guilt and blood drinking). 

If he wants to fight their bigotry he should leave and campaign for equality 
from the outside. But being a pope he's probably unlikely to do that, so slow 
change from within is a better bet. Bring on the rays, the dawn starts with 
just one if I remember correctly. But it must be weird living philosophically 
so far back in the middle ages all the time, I can't imagine it. They've got so 
much catching up to do, I suppose we should be thankful that they are even 
talking about joining the 21st century.

BTW the green figure in the bottom right of the cartoon is a troll. The UK is 
thinking about quadrupling the jail term for "offensive internet trolling" 
making it up to 2 years! 

Another fine bit of public relations driven law making that's destined to be 
abused by whoever is in power. 

On Monday, October 20, 2014 6:38 AM, "Share Long sharelong60@... 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:



 
Thanks, salyavin, good article. But I think the headline is pretty dumb. If one 
reads the Pope Francis' quote, it's obvious he's a winner. What the situation 
says to me is that wherever light is strongest, in this case Pope Francis, 
there too will the dark be strongest, in this case the bishops. 



On Monday, October 20, 2014 3:20 AM, salyavin808  
wrote:



 


Catholic bishops veto gay-friendly statements leaving Pope Francis the loser

 
  Catholic bishops veto gay-friendly statements leaving... 
Final report of Roman Catholic extraordinary synod on the family
removes talk of ‘welcoming’ gay people  
View on www.theguardian.comPreview by Yahoo   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The seduction of silence

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Fleet, I think you and your wife would thoroughly enjoy FF. But be sure to come 
for First Friday Art Walk any month...hmmm, maybe better wait for April!



On Monday, October 20, 2014 7:28 AM, "fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife]"  wrote:
 


  
Enjoy the dome! I may have to get up there one of these days, and fly around 
with y'all. I still have my badge, with my picture, taken in 1980, in a 
Missouri strawberry field, mid-Winter, looking bleary-eyed, with messy hair.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Fleet, I'd love to see it...ok, now really rushing to Dome!



On Monday, October 20, 2014 7:03 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:



 
This reminds me of a video I captured recently, of a deer feeding in my meadow, 
with the sun streaming like an umbrella of light, through the trees, at about 
7:30 AM, two days ago. I will have to do a screen shot and show you, but the 
card is back in the camera at the moment, and I haven't copied it over yet.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Nablusoss, wrt light, for the past month or so I've become so aware of the 
sunlight, or any light for that matter. But the sunlight is so sublime, almost 
a living thing. Its silence
is definitely a beautiful song.



On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:57 AM, nablusoss1008  
wrote:



 


I've been having the same experience whenever going to a cabin far from other 
people for a few days particularily observing silence, no talking or calls. 
Silence becomes so dominating and thick one can almost touch and certainly see 
it as small balls of light joyfully floating around. It's tempting to spend 
longer periods of time in such a manner, perhaps in the Mountains.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


One thing I have noticed in my new neck of the woods, is the silence. No more 
hum and growl of traffic, the vibration of the freeways. I have several musical 
instruments, and a lot of music, but the silence is so seductive, I find myself 
keeping the house as quiet inside, as
the outside. Most of the time it is thickly and peacefully silent, here. I had 
ideas before being here, that now that I have the space, and distance from 
neighbors, I could listen to songs at concert volume, but I have yet to do so. 
Far more soothing to hear the quiet. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I agree, Ann. As I mentioned earlier, there is nothing helpful, educational, or 
socially acceptable in the way Barry acts, and that should be plainly obvious. 
Pointing it out is a normal response, much as I would comment to my wife and 
others, were Barry ranting and abusing others, in the supermarket. 

 What Taxius doesn't see, if that this character isn't Barry at all, but a 
brainwashed analog of the spiritual criminal, Freddie Lenz. Poor Barry hasn't 
had an original thought in his head, post-Lenz. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You wish to offload the feelings you have in response to what someone says to 
you, about you, about others, to that someone for blame or revenge? In my 
experience, whether or not a person is nice or abusive, that person always 
distorts another person's values and ideas because no two minds are exactly 
alike. There can be superficial agreement, but if you dig deep enough, 
understandings, feelings etc., do not line up between two people. You are 
letting Barry get to you, he tried it with me too, and I took a step back and 
tried to analyse my response.  

 As Barry does not seem to go about shooting others with firearms or stabbing 
them with knives, or attempting to ruin others nefariously by financial 
manipulation it seems possible to come to some accommodation. I found it was 
possible. I was never able to come to an accommodation with Judy Stein for 
example, although when I first came on here, she was friendly and Barry was 
hostile. 
 

 There are certain affinities but they may be entirely superficial. He likes 
certain kinds of music. So do I, but we have different tastes. I pursued 
spirituality from basically an atheist point of view because I knew it was 
possible, and Barry seems to be in a non-religious space as well. Barry appears 
to like Curtis, and so do I. This thread, started by Barry, is wonderful for 
the kind of discussion that it can dredge up because it relates to ultimate 
questions about what we can know and tends to illuminate responses that give us 
an inkling of how other view the world. There is a terrible lack of humour in 
the religious world. 
 

 The main affinity here is that all ideas are open to discussion here, and no 
ideas are sacrosanct. Barry would not give me a free ride were he to disagree 
with me about something. I have never met Barry (and logically therefore he has 
never met me); we live thousands of miles apart. I have seen a single rather 
grungy photo of him, apparently shot in Paris, one version in colour and the 
other in black and white on his linkedin page (you really should get a better 
shot Barry if you read this).
 

 If you really want to see repetitive button pushing behaviour and response you 
should watch the Jerry Springer show on TV. Marvellous primate studies of human 
mating behaviour. You cannot get much lower than this. At least here people 
think from time to time.
 

 Now if you think Barry is abusive, bitter, negative, and we suppose this were 
true, how much space would you allow him to vent his frustrations and give him 
the opportunity to grow?
 

 My first spiritual experiences came at the hands of one John Rosenberg (AKA 
Werner Erhard). I had no inkling that I was going to have a spiritual 
experience. He began his course by calling everyone in the room a bunch of god 
damn ass holes. The purpose was to elicit conditioned responses, and some took 
the bait. But the idea behind the method was to eventually within the course 
structure to get people to realise in their own experience how these 
conditioned responses situate themselves within and how they arise, and how to 
begin to deal with them. So what Barry does does not bother me, I have been 
dealing with my own conditioned responses going on half a century so I just do 
not care that you are seemingly upset. Being enlightened, you should know 
enough by now to deal with that yourself.
 

 From my side, if I want an abusive relationship with either a spouse or a 
spiritual teacher I'd go and find one on my own. I don't need bawee to provide 
this button pushing service for me. You're giving this asshat a free ride to 
spew his anger and frustration and just plain rotten manners all over without 
holding him responsible like any normal/decent human being. Cut with the 
dissertations, Xeno, sometimes you just have to realize some very simple facts. 
You're quite the apologist for him. It makes me think you played this enabling 
role in your family at some point. Did you have an alcoholic parent because 
that is a classic situation where this develops.
 

 
 

 
 








 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Sometimes I like to pretend people can read lips.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 See what I mean? Curtis refuted John's idiotic argument point by point, and HE 
DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT. The only thing he can do is repeat the same stupid thing 
he's already repeated -- and had refuted -- here on FFL dozens of time in the 
past. 

 

 You really can't deal with anyone as dumb as this. I repeat my contention -- 
believing in astrology, God, and the Maharishi Effect really IS like winning 
the Trifecta of Idiocy. How does a mind *become* this weak?  

 

 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
 
 
   Xeno,
 

 I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the 
statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument.  But he just gave me a lot of 
song and dance about his opinions without providing the evidence for his 
arguments.  Can you give us a solid argument with evidence and support why the 
statements in the KCA have a flaw?
 

 Let's take the KCA which states:
 

 Everything that begins to exist has a cause; The universe began to exist; 
Therefore: The universe has a cause. Do you agree with statement 1 or not?  If 
not, please give us your reasons for disagreeing.
 

 

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Logical arguments about ultimates always contain a flaw. You can reverse the 
form of the argument to support atheism and if you do not see the flaw, it will 
seem equally valid, that is, that atheism is true. Now there are some atheists 
who definitely believe there is no god and they can be as fanatical as a 
fundamentalist religionist. Probably they would have no sense of humour about 
their condition. But a real atheist simply lacks a particular kind of belief 
because that belief seems neither reasonable or likely. They basically just do 
not care. Barry is just testing memes to see what happens when they are 
activated. We all have memes which are basically little snippets of mental 
routines our minds use. We trade them with each other, but for the most part 
these mental stances are just our opinions about the world around us and we 
tend to be be rather uncritical as to how well they really represent what is 
real, while at the same time taking them as reality itself. 

 Take the TMO memes. On FFL, meditators and former meditators all at one time 
believed certain things about experience were at least possible, for example, 
that if you practice TM, which is not a religion, you will find God. The TMO 
memes specify that we are in a state of ignorance, not knowing the nature of 
reality. But were we actually in the state of ignorance, we would not have the 
capability to correctly evaluate what we were told because we would be using 
delusional thinking to evaluate ideas such as transcendence, states of 
consciousness and so forth, so our following this system of thought about 
reality would essentially be an act of insanity, that is, mental illness. The 
system defines us as in some way incapacitated in knowing what is real, and 
then expects us to just jump in, and accept what the system says is real. 
 

 A discussion of the Kalam argument:
 

 Cosmological Kalamity 
http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html 
 
 Cosmological Kalamity 
http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html Home » Library » 
Modern » Dan Barker »   Cosmological Kalamity Dan Barker "Daddy, if God made 
everything, who made God?" my daughter Kristi asked me, when she was five years 
old.


 
 View on infidels.org 
http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Barry, 

 Have you ever thought that atheism is also a belief-- and an unreasonable one 
at that?  The Kalam Cosmological Argument should dispel any of your doubts.
 








 
  






 
  


 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I think you are on the right track Ann. Particularly nettle-some in a 
discussion of ultimate origins is time. In current cosmology, time-space did 
not exist prior to the universe, therefore there was no time before the 
universe's beginning and it is meaningless to speak of events or anything as 
'having been before'. It is really difficult to wrap the mind around a 
situation like this because it makes no sense in terms of common experience. 
Maybe it will never make sense. 

 Semantics are important in fashioning an argument, but it is difficult to do 
this if the basic ideas are really beyond our ability to conceptualise. You 
have already demonstrated here that you have a clearer grasp of this discussion 
than jr-esq, though you do not strike me as a philosopher.
 

 Arguments in the absence of evidence are difficult. This happens in science 
sometimes, but there are usually good reasons to suppose something in this way. 
Tell you what, I will sell you my silver-white unicorn for $320,000 Canadian. 
Payment before delivery. We all know that unicorns exist because we can think 
and imagine what they look like. They prefer halters by the way, if you want to 
ride.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Xeno, 

 Are you saying that the human mind would not be able to fathom the meaning of 
"begins to exist"?  If that is so, how is it possible for you to begin and end 
a project at work or at home?
 

 But we know that NASA has been able to send the Curiosity rover to Mars which 
is a very high technological feat.  So,  it appears that humans know can 
understand the meaning of "begins to exist".  If not, NASA would not have been 
able to send the rover to Mars.
 

 I believe you're avoiding the question by claiming that you don't know what 
statement 1 of the KCA means.  In other words, you're being disingenuous.  Or, 
that you're pulling a Curtis on us.
 

 Maybe Xeno's perception of time isn't linear, which is entirely possible. Time 
seems to be a very human construct and for most people time is linear. We 
describe most things that are on this planet as having a start somehow, 
somewhere because previous to that start their existence was not in evidence 
for us. We can only speak and know from our ability to perceive and to know so 
this ascribing a "beginning" to something is logical. Frankly, I just think 
Xeno is dicking around with semantics here. On the other hand it is very 
possible that there is no such thing as time other than how we define it but 
the last time I looked most people own a clock or watch of some description and 
use it to get to where they have to be "on time" so most, apparently, are 
willing to agree that time is linear for all intents and earthly purposes.
 
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Xeno, 

 I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the 
statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument.  But he just gave me a lot of 
song and dance about his opinions without providing the evidence for his 
arguments.  Can you give us a solid argument with evidence and support why the 
statements in the KCA have a flaw?
 

 Let's take the KCA which states:
 

 Everything that begins to exist has a cause; The universe began to exist; 
Therefore: The universe has a cause. Do you agree with statement 1 or not?  If 
not, please give us your reasons for disagreeing.
 

 




  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Thanks for the heads-up, lurking reporter

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yes, but this is merely to foster Barry's image of himself. There were a few 
contradictory clues to that, in Mark's book. Watch when all of the purges 
occurred in Lenz's organization, and how those that were left, had to swear 
absolute fealty to Lenz, with deeper and deeper loyalty, each time the group 
was purged. Barry made it through all of the purges, and that speaks for 
itself. Also, Barry was more than likely kicked out of the organization, since 
that was another Lenz hallmark, when a chump wanted to leave. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When I read Laxter's, Take Me For A Ride, Coming Of Age In An Abusive Cult, I 
was trying to figure out if any of the characters were in fact, Barry, though 
Mark used pseudonyms. Which one is Barry?
 

 bawee has claimed in the intro to his own Road Mind Trip fluff piece that he 
was not anywhere close to the inner circle around Rama and didn't spend any 
time directly with him.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 You don't read their stuff, but i figured it would make your day to learn that 
Jim and Ann (both who claim that they are not obsessed with you) have been 
bragging about having read A WHOLE BOOK about Rama (the same one you told us 
about) so that they can obsess on you even more while trying to demonize you. 
You were right, this place is a zoo.
 
 >
 On 10/20/2014 2:30 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 >
 
 
 Color me not surprised. I guess it gives them something to do other than whack 
off.  :-)
 >
 That's why you called our attention to your work with Lenz, right"
 
 Apparently you has never read Laxer's Take Me For A Ride where you are used as 
an example by Mark to indicate that you were a True Believer. I assumed this 
since I posted a long message about the book back in 2003 along with a review 
of Lenz's two novels, Surfing the Himalayas and Snowboarding to Nirvana. 
 
 Your response was very weak indicated to me that you didn't want to talk about 
your work for Lenz, so why are you so concerned now?
 
 Apparently one of your buttons got pushed.  Go figure.
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The seduction of silence

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Ann, here are some more reasons to love how nature works: the leaves of trees 
take on warmer colors in the autumn, as the air becomes cooler; trees become 
bare in the winter so that more sunlight can reach us with its warmth; in 
summer the leaves are plentiful and thus shade us from the sun; and in spring, 
that gorgeous green helps us detox after a slothful winter. (In Chinese 
medicine green is the color that helps the liver.)



On Monday, October 20, 2014 8:54 AM, "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 


  




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Nablusoss, wrt light, for the past month or so I've become so aware of the 
sunlight, or any light for that matter. But the sunlight is so sublime, almost 
a living thing. Its silence is definitely a beautiful song.


Sunlight at this time of year is less direct and has a yellower and oranger hue 
to it. Autumn sunlight has more color than summer sunlight. I notice it too. 
There is more than just leaf color and air temperature that distinguishes one 
time of the year from another.


On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:57 AM, nablusoss1008  
wrote:



 


I've been having the same experience whenever going to a cabin far from other 
people for a few days particularily observing silence, no talking or calls. 
Silence becomes so dominating and thick one can almost touch and certainly see 
it as small balls of light joyfully floating around. It's tempting to spend 
longer periods of time in such a manner, perhaps in the Mountains.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


One thing I have noticed in my new neck of the woods, is the silence. No more 
hum and growl of traffic, the vibration of the freeways. I have several musical 
instruments, and a lot of music, but the silence is so seductive, I find myself 
keeping the house as quiet inside, as
the outside. Most of the time it is thickly and peacefully silent, here. I had 
ideas before being here, that now that I have the space, and distance from 
neighbors, I could listen to songs at concert volume, but I have yet to do so. 
Far more soothing to hear the quiet. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why do people sound American when they sing in English?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am fascinated with English and American accents, especially when each, does 
the other's. I have found that when English actors do American accents, they 
are far more successful, than the reverse. My reasoning is that the English are 
in general better actors, that they take the craft a bit more seriously
 

 I think we're just better at everything ;-)  I know what you mean, the upper 
class English accent is the easiest to pull off for an American as it's so 
cartoon-ish anyway. The Americans I know can't say "mate" so maybe there's a 
bigger difference in the way we speak than we realise. 

 I have also read that when an American tries to sound, "English", a native of 
England hears several distinct accents, from different areas of the country, 
and social strata, whereas 'American' has a more homogenized accent, and may be 
easier to emulate. The 17th century English accent in the sample, sounded Irish 
to me.
 

 The Shakespeare dialect there sounded more reminiscent of the west country, 
from Devon or Cornwall. But not Irish to me, and Ireland has a big variations 
in its regions too, I'm sure Share will back me up in that. Compare Galway to 
Belfast, amazing. 
 

 England apparently has 44 regional accents. The theory is that they evolved in 
isolation from each other whereas the US accent evolved after railways had been 
invented so there was more cross over and connection with other parts of the 
country and thus only small differences by comparison.
 


 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
. 
 

 And how to read Shakespeare correctly!
 

 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html

 
 
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html
 
 5 things you never knew about your accent - Telegraph 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html
 Why English people sound American when they sing, and other intriguing 
linguistic theories


 
 View on www.telegraph.co.uk 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/culturenews/11167569/british-american-accent-facts.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The seduction of silence

[fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Yep, I notice the deeper color of the sun, too. And the radically shortening 
days! Less than 12 hours of light, now.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Nablusoss, wrt light, for the past month or so I've become so aware of the 
sunlight, or any light for that matter. But the sunlight is so sublime, almost 
a living thing. Its silence is definitely a beautiful song.

 

 Sunlight at this time of year is less direct and has a yellower and oranger 
hue to it. Autumn sunlight has more color than summer sunlight. I notice it 
too. There is more than just leaf color and air temperature that distinguishes 
one time of the year from another.
 


 On Monday, October 20, 2014 5:57 AM, nablusoss1008  
wrote:
 
 

   

 I've been having the same experience whenever going to a cabin far from other 
people for a few days particularily observing silence, no talking or calls. 
Silence becomes so dominating and thick one can almost touch and certainly see 
it as small balls of light joyfully floating around. It's tempting to spend 
longer periods of time in such a manner, perhaps in the Mountains.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 One thing I have noticed in my new neck of the woods, is the silence. No more 
hum and growl of traffic, the vibration of the freeways. I have several musical 
instruments, and a lot of music, but the silence is so seductive, I find myself 
keeping the house as quiet inside, as the outside. Most of the time it is 
thickly and peacefully silent, here. I had ideas before being here, that now 
that I have the space, and distance from neighbors, I could listen to songs at 
concert volume, but I have yet to do so. Far more soothing to hear the quiet.