[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if I feel a general hostility to any Bhakti attitude, once it comes up, it's simply my perception over the years. Cool. That and a buck-fifty will get you a bad cup of coffee at Starbucks. Show me one post, just

[FairfieldLife] Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
For t3rinity, a second post on bhakti: The following is a direct quote from a teacher that quite a few people on this forum admire, on the subject of bhakti and the ideal relationship of a disciple to the guru: Take even the most insignificant word of the guru as an order and obey it.

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are Charles Shultz comic strips art? Yes. No. Maybe. It's exactly the same question as Is Path X a true spiritual path? The answer depends entirely on who is answering it, what they believe, and their basis for coming

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Spirituality?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Amen. I've observed two extremes in art; one you might call the pure beauty school and one you might call the cathartic school. The Pure

[FairfieldLife] Choreographed juggling

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
Check this out. Chris Bliss juggles to the Beatles' Golden Slumbers, keeping time with the music and reflecting the song's many mood changes. Turn the volume up and stick around to the end... http://marketplace.espeakers.com/movie.php?sid=5290aid=10558 Yahoo!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * The infidel Salman Rushdie has insulted our Holy Prophet. You not only have our blessing to kill him; if you do you will be rewarded financially in this life and earn eternal life in heaven. Actually, I'm

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: * The infidel Salman Rushdie has insulted our Holy Prophet. You not only have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rummy's Awakening

2006-03-09 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 3/8/06 9:24:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Once in a while, I'm standing here, doing something. And I think, "What in the world am I doing here?" It's a big surprise. —Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld May

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Course Fees and The Real Goals of the Movement

2006-03-09 Thread Irmeli Mattsson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson

[FairfieldLife] Re: Virgin Transatlantic Fly the Yogic Way

2006-03-09 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is this a spoof? http://www.glossynews.com/artman/publish/Branson-yogi-14062005.shtml Have a look at the root; their front page. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For t3rinity, a second post on bhakti: The following is a direct quote from a teacher that quite a few people on this forum admire, on the subject of bhakti and the ideal relationship of a disciple to the guru:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: * The infidel

[FairfieldLife] What is Art?

2006-03-09 Thread mrfishey2001
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are Charles Shultz comic strips art? When asked once about a useful, workable definition for art Michael Peter Cain offered the following: Art is that thing in human consciousness that resists explanation. When we

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
Thanks for taking the time away from your heavy reading schedule to reply. :-) I have no further comments, except to point out that you found a way to ignore all of the situations you didn't like, when the point of the exercise was to comment on what *you* would have done if *your* spiritual

[FairfieldLife] Re: What is Art?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mrfishey2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So are Charles Shultz comic strips art? When asked once about a useful, workable definition for art Michael Peter Cain offered the following: Art

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: * The infidel Salman Rushdie has insulted our Holy Prophet. You not only have

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread markmeredith2002
I haven't followed this thread closely but: Do people see the tm mov't and or its techniques as being bhakti? How odd. What's remotely bhakti about it? Of course one can appreciate or be devoted to MMY, just like you can with anyone, but I've just never seen bhakti practices or attitudes

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't followed this thread closely but: Do people see the tm mov't and or its techniques as being bhakti? How odd. What's remotely bhakti about it? Of course one can appreciate or be devoted to MMY,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have no further comments, except to point out that you found a way to ignore all of the situations you didn't like, when the point of the exercise was to comment on what *you* would have done if *your* spiritual

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip ...but you also seem to have no use for the sentiment of it.) Dude, what you want is for people to respect the sentiment of bhakti while

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't followed this thread closely but: Do people see the tm mov't and or its techniques as being bhakti? How odd. What's remotely bhakti about it? Of course one can appreciate or be devoted to MMY,

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So are Charles Shultz comic strips art? Yes. No. Maybe. It's exactly the same question as Is Path X a true spiritual path? The answer depends

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't followed this thread closely but: Do people see the tm mov't and or its techniques as being bhakti? How odd. What's remotely bhakti about it? Of course one can appreciate or be devoted to MMY,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't followed this thread closely but: Do people see the tm mov't and or its techniques as being bhakti? No, definitely not. How odd. What's remotely bhakti about it? Of course one can appreciate or

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So where do you fall on the bhakti question? I think it's a lot like love -- wonderful when unforced and when it happens naturally, usually a disaster when one has a bunch of expectations and rules about how it's supposed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: I haven't followed this thread closely but: Do people see the tm mov't and or its techniques as being bhakti? How odd. What's

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread anon_astute_ff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently this thread earlier dealt with MDG being a bhakti of MMY. There's no way Michael would be allowed to represent the mov't in any way whatsoever given his various extracurriculars. Michael D. Goodman

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So are Charles Shultz comic strips art? Yes. No. Maybe. It's exactly the same question as Is Path X a true spiritual path? The answer depends

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So are Charles Shultz comic strips art? Yes. No. Maybe. It's exactly the

[FairfieldLife] Trillions of dollars

2006-03-09 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Trillions of dollars Question - - - - - - - - - - Maharishi, recently you have been promoting a program to collect funds for the eradication of poverty on the scale of trillions of dollars, which seems on such a vast scale it's hard to believe. It's hard to comprehend how this program

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In The Last Samarai, who was more devoted to the emperor, the pro- West courtiers, or the conservative samarai? Perhaps they were both equally devoted but in different ways? MMY once was quoted by the Press

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhakti -- the double-edged sword

2006-03-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, *you* define bhakti. Through my life. You've already tried to keep people here from dealing with it critically. As if I could. But I don't have your missionary zest. snip As you define it, which you won't.

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So are

[FairfieldLife] RE: What is art?

2006-03-09 Thread mrfishey2001
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The operative phrase, of course, being more often than not. Obviously there are exceptions. Moreover, liking Velvet Elvis paintings doesn't necessarily preclude being wowed by a Rambrandt. Individual tastes may take

[FairfieldLife] Complementary distribution??

2006-03-09 Thread cardemaister
bhaktif. distribution , partition , separation RV. Ta1n2d2Br. c. (cf. %{kSetra-} , %{bhaGgI-bh-}) ; a division , portion , share AitBr. ; a division of a Sa1man (also called %{vidhi} , of which 7 or 5 are enumerated) La1t2y. [743,2] Sam2k. ; division by streaks or lines Ragh. ; a streak , line

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: 'New Jersey Mock Trial/War Machine'

2006-03-09 Thread Robert Gimbel
Note: forwarded message attached. Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless and do not require concentration. Then go find out on your own the way I did. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless and do not require concentration. Then go find out on your own the way I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread Vaj
On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless  and do not require concentration. You must've missed the "TM is not effortless" thread here sometime ago. TM is *easy* but not truly effortless. And there are many *easy* meditation

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless and

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip See what I mean about bullshit, and about you not really being interested? You've stated on numerous occasions that you have no interest

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless and do not require concentration. You must've missed the TM is not effortless thread here sometime

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-09 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So where do you fall on the bhakti question? I think it's a lot like love -- wonderful when unforced and when it happens naturally, usually a disaster

[FairfieldLife] We've gone on holiday by mistake.

2006-03-09 Thread shempmcgurk
Some of my favourite lines from Withnail and I (which I just saw on DVD for about the 5th time...some great extras, by the way): Monty: As a youth I used to weep in butcher's shops. - Monty: Flowers are simply tarts; prostitutes for the bees. - [about a chicken]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless and do not require concentration. You must've missed the TM is not effortless thread here sometime

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So where do you fall on the bhakti question? I think it's a lot like love --

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread Vaj
On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:12 PM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless and do not require concentration. You must've missed the "TM is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:12 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-09 Thread t3rinity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So where

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some effort. So what did he say exactly? He quoted some verse from the Vedas, which maybe Cardemeister can find, which reads, Be easy to us with gentle effort.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread Vaj
On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:22 PM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless and do not require concentration. You must've missed the "TM is not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread Vaj
On Mar 9, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Rick Archer wrote:on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some effort. So what did he say exactly? He quoted some verse from the Vedas, which maybe Cardemeister can find, which reads, "Be easy to

[FairfieldLife] Odor-smellers say livestock isn't so stinky

2006-03-09 Thread bbrigante
http://tinyurl.com/mjkdu ...the state's requirement that confinements be a certain distance from homes is working, said Eldon McAfee, lawyer for the Iowa Pork Producers Association. It shows the separation distance is working. We have good odor control, even at the fence line, he said.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip See what I mean about bullshit, and about you not really being

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So where do you fall on the bhakti question? I think it's a lot like love --

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some effort. So what did he say exactly? He quoted some verse from the Vedas, which maybe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are effortless and do not require concentration.

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: So where do

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:12 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:12 PM, authfriend wrote: snip I would maintain that those who don't think TM is effortless *are not doing it effortlessly*. I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some effort. So what did he say exactly? He quoted some verse from the Vedas, which maybe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:22 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:12

[FairfieldLife] Re: Yikes...ananta-samaapatti??

2006-03-09 Thread cardemaister
Oops, wrong highlight in samaapatti... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some effort. So what did he say exactly? He quoted

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I genuinely want to know which

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:12

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some effort. So what did he say exactly? He quoted some verse from the Vedas, which maybe

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:22 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some effort. So what did he say exactly? He quoted

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread Vaj
On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:03 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:22 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I genuinely want to know which

[FairfieldLife] What is art? (was Re: What is Spirituality?)

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:12

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread Vaj
On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:18 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:03 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:22 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread Vaj
On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:27 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:22 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread Vaj
On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:27 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
I would maintain that those who don't think TM is effortless *are not doing it effortlessly*. I would maintain they are not familiar with real effortless meditation and simply enjoying their easy meditation method, that's all. Or perhaps you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:27 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 2:22 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, I've already made up my mind about your lax use of words. You made up your mind long before most of us met you. Bingo. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
BS. You're supposed to start by thinking something in particular (the mantra). I've practiced techniques in which no such artificiality is required. What is the specific thing you're thinking? How do you know its your mantra? There *is* no mantra, or any other such

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread Vaj
On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:36 PM, sparaig wrote: You read something and said TM requried some effort according to MMY. I'm asking for the exact words where MMY said that TM required effort. Your playing semantical games again L. You already have your answer, now relax and live with it. Stop

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread Vaj
Original quote :Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and the Disease of EffortRick ArcherThu, 19 May 2005 06:21:10 -0700on 5/19/05 8:04 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On May 19, 2005, at 8:49 AM, claudiouk wrote:  For comparison's sake, what then would be the instructions for a truly effortless,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread Vaj
On Mar 9, 2006, at 4:57 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: I genuinely want to know which techniques out there are

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 4:57 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 1:00 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:27 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: snip Even M. admitted this at Estes Park--that TM required some effort. So what did he say exactly?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:18 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 3:24 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 3/9/06 1:22 PM, sparaig at sparaig@ wrote: Even

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would maintain that those who don't think TM is effortless *are not doing it effortlessly*. I would maintain they are not familiar with real effortless meditation and simply

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BS. You're supposed to start by thinking something in particular (the mantra). I've practiced techniques in which no such artificiality is required. What is the specific thing you're thinking? How

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: Sorry, I've already made up my mind about your lax use of words. You made up your mind long before most of us met you. Bingo. :-) BZZZT.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:36 PM, sparaig wrote: You read something and said TM requried some effort according to MMY. I'm asking for the exact words where MMY said that TM required effort. Your playing semantical

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-09 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I would maintain that those who don't think TM is effortless *are not doing it effortlessly*. I would maintain they are

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