Re: [Felvtalk] I Hate PETA

[Laurieskatz]

I am so sorry. My heart feels your pain. So sad and so unjustified since you
agreed to keep them.
We found a vet who will SN ferals who are going to be returned to their
location without testing (unless they are symptomatic). 
L


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] I Hate PETA

Thnksgiving Day I finally trapped Smoky Jo in the dumpster colony I feed.
Then Sunday I trapped Butterball.  A new group is organizing here on the
Eastern Shore to help with low cost speutering of ferals.  Wed. the PETA
SNIPS van came to speuter pets ($45) and ferals (#25).  I took Smokey Jo and
Butterball.  My other low cost speutering place had fallen through and the
only other option is $200 per cat at the animal hospital. 

I knew PETA sucks but had no idea how bad.  The release form I signed said
they could kill any animal testing positive for FeLV or FIV.  I explained to
the vet I would sanctuary them if they tested positive in my garage/cat
enclosure.  She checked with her supervisor and told me no exceptions.  I
should have left then but both of mine seemed healthy.  When I went to pick
them up I found out they had killed both Smoky Jo and Butterball!! I am
devastated.

PETA has a real problem with feral cats. The only way they'll let their van
spay/neuter ferals is if all who test positive for FeLV or FIV are killed.
PETA's way of exterminating ferals I guess.

Smoky Jo tested positive for FeLV and Butterball for FIV. What really burns
me is the SNAP test used is not 100% for FeLV. Don't know about FIV.  But
FIV is generally spread by deep bites.  Once Butterball was fixed he
wouldn't be fighting anymore.  Just PETA's way of 'thinning the herd' I
guess.  Then they kept my money.

Needless to say I won't be going back unless I find a way around the PETA
policy. The Spay the Shore guy is going to try and find a vet to pre-test
any future ferals I trap. Then if they are positive for either I'll have to
find some other way to have them fixed.

I'm broken hearted. Those two kitties trusted me to do right by them.
Neither was ill. And now they are gone. It rained all the way home. Almost
like the heavens were crying with me for them. 

Please consider what PETA stands for before donating any money to them.
Sharyl
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Re: [Felvtalk] I Hate PETA

[Laurieskatz]

Bless your heart. I suggest you find a female vet and maybe find one who
already does low cost SN...maybe one who works with your shelter? Where do
you live? (you can email me privately about that if you want).
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 2:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I Hate PETA

Laurie, I so want to find a local source for ;ow cost SN.  I've rescued 16
other cats from this colony.  I knew one family line had FeLV.  I rescued
all 8 of them and still have 3.  
Sharyl

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Laurieskatz  wrote:

> From: Laurieskatz 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I Hate PETA
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 2:56 PM
> I am so sorry. My heart feels your
> pain. So sad and so unjustified since you
> agreed to keep them.
> We found a vet who will SN ferals who are going to be
> returned to their
> location without testing (unless they are symptomatic). 
> L
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
> On Behalf Of Sharyl
> Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 1:51 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] I Hate PETA
> 
> Thnksgiving Day I finally trapped Smoky Jo in the dumpster
> colony I feed.
> Then Sunday I trapped Butterball.  A new group is
> organizing here on the
> Eastern Shore to help with low cost speutering of
> ferals.  Wed. the PETA
> SNIPS van came to speuter pets ($45) and ferals
> (#25).  I took Smokey Jo and
> Butterball.  My other low cost speutering place had
> fallen through and the
> only other option is $200 per cat at the animal
> hospital.     
> 
> I knew PETA sucks but had no idea how bad.  The
> release form I signed said
> they could kill any animal testing positive for FeLV or
> FIV.  I explained to
> the vet I would sanctuary them if they tested positive in
> my garage/cat
> enclosure.  She checked with her supervisor and told
> me no exceptions.  I
> should have left then but both of mine seemed
> healthy.  When I went to pick
> them up I found out they had killed both Smoky Jo and
> Butterball!! I am
> devastated.
> 
> PETA has a real problem with feral cats. The only way
> they'll let their van
> spay/neuter ferals is if all who test positive for FeLV or
> FIV are killed.
> PETA's way of exterminating ferals I guess.
> 
> Smoky Jo tested positive for FeLV and Butterball for FIV.
> What really burns
> me is the SNAP test used is not 100% for FeLV. Don't know
> about FIV.  But
> FIV is generally spread by deep bites.  Once
> Butterball was fixed he
> wouldn't be fighting anymore.  Just PETA's way of
> 'thinning the herd' I
> guess.  Then they kept my money.
> 
> Needless to say I won't be going back unless I find a way
> around the PETA
> policy. The Spay the Shore guy is going to try and find a
> vet to pre-test
> any future ferals I trap. Then if they are positive for
> either I'll have to
> find some other way to have them fixed.
> 
> I'm broken hearted. Those two kitties trusted me to do
> right by them.
> Neither was ill. And now they are gone. It rained all the
> way home. Almost
> like the heavens were crying with me for them. 
> 
> Please consider what PETA stands for before donating any
> money to them.
> Sharyl
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address

[Laurieskatz]

What was their reason for this/ did they give one? 
Unconscionable act.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address

well, actually, as some folks have hinted at, they are just as bad about
household cats as they are about ferals.

these folks are NOT friends to animals--anyone have links to the VA case
where they were taking adoptables from shelters, supposedly to adopt them
out, then euthing them in the back of their van--and leaving the bodies in
shopping mall dumpsters? i think the only thing they ended up convicted of
was possession of drugs without a license or something similar, as animals
are just property, after all, with no intrinsic value.

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Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address

[Laurieskatz]

Horrid. What other people do is NOT their business.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address

they don't believe in people "owning" animals.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Laurieskatz  wrote:

> What was their reason for this/ did they give one?
> Unconscionable act.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 5:07 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PETA's e-mail address
>
> well, actually, as some folks have hinted at, they are just as bad about
> household cats as they are about ferals.
>
> these folks are NOT friends to animals--anyone have links to the VA case
> where they were taking adoptables from shelters, supposedly to adopt them
> out, then euthing them in the back of their van--and leaving the bodies in
> shopping mall dumpsters? i think the only thing they ended up convicted of
> was possession of drugs without a license or something similar, as animals
> are just property, after all, with no intrinsic value.
>
> --
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> )
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Re: [Felvtalk] Shots For FeLV+ Kittens

[Laurieskatz]

My vet believes the first shot and booster for FeLV are sufficient. I do not
vaccinate for FELV anymore (after the first shot and booster). I also have
only FeLV- cats (as far as I know).

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 4:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Shots For FeLV+ Kittens

I give my cats their basic PCRC shots and rabies shots every three
years but I just started giving my FelV negative cats the FelV
shots.  I'd like an opinion from all of you as to whether a booster
is necessary once a year for the FelV shot.  I have no FelV cats
at home that I know of.  All 14 cats were tested when I took them
in but it's too expensive to retest them every year.

Lorrie


On 12-03, Sharyl wrote:

> Crystal, all 8 of my positive kittens received their shots and were
> spayed/neutered with no ill affects.  Fixing the boys will reduce
> the stress in their lives.  I follow the new shot protocol.  After
> their 1st yr shots mine get boosters every three years.  They do to
> the vet annually for a check up. Good Luck Sharyl
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

[Laurieskatz]

We have trapped two large groups. In each group one was FeLV+. None of the
others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the colony. The other guy
was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list had a negative
living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He never tested
positive.
Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside and separate. Not
the vet's decision. Yours.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long have they been living
with that group of cats?

We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for at least 4 years
now.  She and a small feral colony came with the house.  Last year I tested
her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for him and he was
negative.  So it really isn't that transmissible within a healthy adult
population.  

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper  wrote:

> From: Crystal Proper 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
> Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
> sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother and
> father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not fixed.  I
> went to the vet today to make appointments to get them fixed
> and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect other
> cats.  However, I don't think I can do that because they
> aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
> sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks - Crystal
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries

[Laurieskatz]

Debbie, did you find your cat? What a miracle if you did. 
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 3:44 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries


I couldn't agree more...having just found out that the 'sanctuary' one of my
feral fosters was taken to has been closed down by law enforcement...I drove
down there the day after Thanksgiving to find her and bring her backlet
me just add that this place looked great onlinebut I saw with my own
eyes that there ARE 'fates worse than death'.please be cautious
Debbie (COL)
"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle"  Philo


 
> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:33:09 -0800
> From: susan_hoff...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> Also, be very careful about so-called "sanctuaries." You really need to
visit them personally to be sure they are decent places. So many seem to
crash and burn amid allegations of abuse and neglect.
> 
> --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Laurieskatz  wrote:
> 
> > From: Laurieskatz 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:28 PM
> > We have trapped two large groups. In
> > each group one was FeLV+. None of the
> > others were. The asymptomatic FeLV was returned to the
> > colony. The other guy
> > was very sick so he was euthanized. Someone on this list
> > had a negative
> > living with a group of positives for about 6 years. He
> > never tested
> > positive.
> > Lie to the vet. Tell the vet you will keep the cats inside
> > and separate. Not
> > the vet's decision. Yours.
> > L
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
> > On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 2:59 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
> > 
> > Have all the other outside cats been tested?  How long
> > have they been living
> > with that group of cats?
> > 
> > We have an feLV+ cat who has lived outside at our house for
> > at least 4 years
> > now.  She and a small feral colony came with the
> > house.  Last year I tested
> > her best buddy because I thought I might have a home for
> > him and he was
> > negative.  So it really isn't that transmissible
> > within a healthy adult
> > population.  
> > 
> > --- On Wed, 12/9/09, Crystal Proper 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Crystal Proper 
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] PA or OH FeLV+ Cat Sanctuaries
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 12:52 PM
> > > Hi everyone.  Anyone know of any cat
> > > sanctuaries in PA or OH for FeLV+ cats.  The mother
> > and
> > > father cats of my kittens are semi-feral and not
> > fixed.  I
> > > went to the vet today to make appointments to get them
> > fixed
> > > and they want me to euthanize them instead to protect
> > other
> > > cats.  However, I don't think I can do that because
> > they
> > > aren't but I don't want any other outside cats to get
> > > sick.  Any info would be appreciated!  Thanks -
> > Crystal
> > > 
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Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI Veterinary Expert

[Laurieskatz]

I just sent her an email asking her.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 9:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] LTCI Veterinary Expert

I would love to know the answer to your question, too Jason.

I am using LTCI now and have a vet who is willing to come to our house
to give our cat the shot, but has no experience with LTCI. I cannot  
find one
in our area who has any experience with it.

I know that Laurie's vet has used it and she may be available for a  
consult.
I think she has a practice in the mid west. Hopefully she will see this.

Jane





On Jan 8, 2010, at 9:05 PM, Jason Michael Canon wrote:

> Does anyone know of a vet that has solid experience with using LTCI?
> I'm interested in obtaining a consult.
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
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Re: [Felvtalk] question

[Laurieskatz]

Frankie had greasy fur so I took him in for blood work. He had pancreatitis.
It is under control with a food change.
The unkempt fur is from not feeling well. They stop grooming themselves.
Frankie also has the guttural cough. He has asthma.
Frankie is not FeLV+.
Good luck. It is very good that she is still eating. I would look for
changes in her stool. Frankie's was fudgy on and off - I realize now it was
probably fudgy when his pancreatitis was acting up.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 9:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] question

I've had MeMe for three years, this month. Considering the condition  
she was in when we got her she has done
very well.
There are two things that concern me right now and I was wondering if  
anyone on the list had any ideas.

Her coat is in terrible condition.  It is hard to describe but it  
looks somewhat oily and really
bedraggled. I guess it should not look healthy since she has Felv,  
but it is a dramatic change from her once
fluffy coat. It has been this way for a few months.
During the past week she has had a deep, almost guttural cough. I  
have only heard it a few times, possibly once
a day, but I've heard it. She's just finished 10 days of Clavamox to  
help keep her stomatitis in check.
She is eating very well but something is off and I am not sure what.  
Her posture is different. She has her paws
tucked under her chest.

We've started her on LTCI injections just before Christmas and I have  
a vet who is making house calls to inject her
and he will be here today. He has not seen the change in her coat nor  
heard this deep cough. I'm not sure what he can
determine without bloodwork. I was hoping that someone with a Felv  
cat might have seen similar changes and had an
idea where to begin.

Sorry this is all so vague.

Jane





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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: a little help needed

[Laurieskatz]

Thanks for letting us know. I remember Michael taking a rescued cat for a
woman who found her way to the FeLV list.
LCS

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 4:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: a little help needed

hi, michael--

sorry to hear about the troubles. i can't do anything before the deadline
here, as i'm on disability, and sort of overstepped my allotment for january
already...

something that you might think about, tho, is asking folks to do a monthly
stipend--we're paying a rent payment of $800/month just that way, with most
folks just sending $5 or $10 a month. even folks like me can manage the $5
amount! (and could do so for you, too.) remember that a lot of folks feel
that the only thing they have to offer is money, because they can't take in
another critter, and they can't do transport or physically have the time to
volunteer at a shelter or event. we always tell them that money is a very
acceptable thing for them to give people want to help, and will if they
can--you're not forcing them to, you're just letting them know that there is
need.

would you mind if i posted the link on the other FeLV list that susan
hoffman and i moderate (FeLVPositiveCats)? i'd mostly let your chip-in page
speak for itself, but mention that both susan and i have worked with your
personally.

let me know!

MC


On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Second Chance Meows <
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>
>
>  Michael Johnson
> Founder/Owner
> Second Chance Meows
> A FeLV Sanctuary
>
>
>
> - Forwarded Message 
> From: Second Chance Meows 
> To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 11:47:56 PM
> Subject: a little help needed
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Hey everyone,
>  I writing today because we here at Second Chance need some help.  back in
> Oct Our son had to go to the hospital for major surgery and spent 14 days
in
> the ICU  and we kind of fell behind in some things. I know lots of you
don't
> know me real well but those of you that do know i don't ask for help  but
i
> do give it. please take the link and pass it around to all you know if you
> would. I'm trying to do some fund raising to help us keep our house so the
8
> cats we have will continue to have a home.
>
> just follow the link to our donation page or pass it along to others if
you
> will
>
> http://secondchancemeows.chipin.com/second-chance-meows
>
>  Michael Johnson
> Founder/Owner
> Second Chance Meows
> A FeLV Sanctuary
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: a little help needed

[Laurieskatz]

I remembered this situation but not names. Hi Reyna! Again, bless you for
helping Snowball!
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Reyna Castano
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: a little help needed

Hi Michael,

I'm sorry to hear about your situation. 
Is your son well? I hope he is. 

I promise to do all I can to help you and your family. You are a very kind
person and GOD rewards those that help others. 

For all those that don't know about Michael Johnson or Second Chance Meows,
let me tell you that Michael is a very kind human being. Last year he took
in Snowball - Felv+, the 8th member of his cat family. The very cute white
Siamese mix with baby blue eyes. Remember him and/or me? He along with Susan
Hoffman helped me start Snowball's fundraiser and arranged transportation.
Thanks to Michael, Snowball has a home and a family that loves him very
much. 

Take Care and Stay Positive,
Reyna Castano

Say hi to Snowball for me : )


--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Second Chance Meows 
wrote:

From: Second Chance Meows 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: a little help needed
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 8:04 PM



 Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary



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From: Second Chance Meows 
To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 11:47:56 PM
Subject: a little help needed


 
  

 
 
 Hey everyone,
 I writing today because we here at Second Chance need some help.  back in
Oct Our son had to go to the hospital for major surgery and spent 14 days in
the ICU  and we kind of fell behind in some things. I know lots of you don't
know me real well but those of you that do know i don't ask for help  but i
do give it. please take the link and pass it around to all you know if you
would. I'm trying to do some fund raising to help us keep our house so the 8
cats we have will continue to have a home.

just follow the link to our donation page or pass it along to others if you
will

http://secondchancemeows.chipin.com/second-chance-meows

 Michael Johnson
Founder/Owner
Second Chance Meows
A FeLV Sanctuary


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lyttle Guy passed away

[Laurieskatz]

James, I missed this earlier. I am so sorry to hear about Lyttle Guy.
He's your new guardian angel and will never be far away.
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 1:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lyttle Guy passed away

James,

I am so sorry that Lyttle Guy has left this world. I know he could not have
had a better dad. You have been so good to all the fur babies. Thanks for
keeping this site going.

I no longer have felk kitty but I stay on as the information here is
invaluable. I still know I did all I could for my kitty and it breaks my
heart when the people here lose one of their own.

Hugs,

Sally(MW on facebook)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends

[Laurieskatz]

We should send testimonials.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends

That's pretty sad isn't itI'm disappointed in BestFriends.


On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Gary wrote:

> I wonder if the author of the article has ever actually gone to  
> their FeLV unit and looked at the cats?  I certainly hope they don't  
> look like the article says they look, mine don't look like that and  
> they don't all get anemia and don't all get jaundiced.  The ones who  
> do get anemia may be lethargic and jaundiced, but it is not an  
> ongoing condition.  But you never know, I once asked the vet at BF  
> why they give a monthly sub-q shot of immuno regulin to all the FeLV  
> cats, figured I'd get some good info on IR. WRONG!! The vet said  
> they use it because that is what was being done when he arrived, I  
> believe he doesn't have a clue.
>
> Gary
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gloria B. Lane"  >
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:36 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends
>
>
>> I just saw an article at Bestfriends.org which I was surprised and  
>> disappointed about:
>>
>> http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/pdfs/cats/catfelv.pdf
>>
>> The author includes "What happens to a cat who has contracted the  
>> virus?"
>>
>> and says "The virus adversely affects the cat's bone marrow and  
>> immune system. An infected cat becomes anemic and is unable to
>> fight off even routine infections. Cats with feline leukemia are  
>> commonly jaundiced and lethargic, and they experience weight
>> loss, enlarged lymph nodes, and poor stamina."
>>
>> It sounds like an FELV cat is going to die immediately after  
>> getting the virus.  So I can see folks reading that article and then
>> euthing their FELV kitties, thinking they're doing them a favor.  
>> The 5 FELV cats that I have now haven't seen any sickness since
>> I've had them.
>>
>> Gloria
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] LTE re Article at Bestfriends

[Laurieskatz]

Here is what I wrote to this address: edi...@bestfriends.org


Dear Editor:

The article about Feline Leukemia Virus by Virginia Clemans is inconsistent
with my experience and, I believe, does a great injustice to cats diagnosed
with this virus. Certainly not all cats diagnosed with FeLV have the health
issues Clemans reports. I lived with two cats who were diagnosed with feline
leukemia after I adopted them. Stripes lived to age 16 years. Squeaky lived
to age 22 years. They were robust boy cats who lived together for 15 years.
They weighed 15-16 lbs. People always commented about what big boys they
were. They were playful and fully engaged in life. 

Stripes had an occasional undiagnosed illness that always resolved. Squeaky
was never sick a day in his life until his final three weeks. Squeaky died
from oral cancer. We did not determine Stripes' cause of death. My vets did
not treat these cats any differently than other cats I have had. There was
no alarm sounded when their tests came back positive. The information was
given to me as part of a routine exam. I had no idea anyone thought this was
a big deal. Certainly my vets did not think so.

I rescued two other cats who tested positive for FeLV. Ollie lived to an old
age, asymptomatic except for some dental issues at the time he was rescued.
Bella is still alive. She is a 13 lb ball of love. She was rescued 3 years
ago and was an adult cat at that time. She was anemic and had a high fever
when rescued but these situations quickly resolved with medication treatment
by an internal medicine specialist. 

Feline Leukemia does not have to be a death sentence. The kitties who test
positive should be retested as there can be false positives (and false
negatives). Their owners can find information and support groups on the
internet (yahoo offers several groups for FeLV cat owners). In this group
format they can talk to other people who live or have lived with cats with
FeLV. They can get questions answered. They can learn about feeding a
quality food, keeping stress to a minimum and various supplements and
treatments in the event of illness. Not all the cats who test positive will
be as lucky as those I mentioned here, but there is another side to this
disease and there are many cats who survive and thrive with this disease. 

  
Sincerely,
Laurie Crawford Stone
Cedar Rapids, Iowa

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 7:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends

We should send testimonials.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends

That's pretty sad isn't itI'm disappointed in BestFriends.


On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Gary wrote:

> I wonder if the author of the article has ever actually gone to  
> their FeLV unit and looked at the cats?  I certainly hope they don't  
> look like the article says they look, mine don't look like that and  
> they don't all get anemia and don't all get jaundiced.  The ones who  
> do get anemia may be lethargic and jaundiced, but it is not an  
> ongoing condition.  But you never know, I once asked the vet at BF  
> why they give a monthly sub-q shot of immuno regulin to all the FeLV  
> cats, figured I'd get some good info on IR. WRONG!! The vet said  
> they use it because that is what was being done when he arrived, I  
> believe he doesn't have a clue.
>
> Gary
>
> - Original Message - From: "Gloria B. Lane"  >
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:36 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Article at Bestfriends
>
>
>> I just saw an article at Bestfriends.org which I was surprised and  
>> disappointed about:
>>
>> http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/pdfs/cats/catfelv.pdf
>>
>> The author includes "What happens to a cat who has contracted the  
>> virus?"
>>
>> and says "The virus adversely affects the cat's bone marrow and  
>> immune system. An infected cat becomes anemic and is unable to
>> fight off even routine infections. Cats with feline leukemia are  
>> commonly jaundiced and lethargic, and they experience weight
>> loss, enlarged lymph nodes, and poor stamina."
>>
>> It sounds like an FELV cat is going to die immediately after  
>> getting the virus.  So I can see folks reading that article and then
>> euthing their FELV kitties, thinking they're doing them a favor.  
>> The 5 FELV cats that I have now haven't seen any sickness since
>> I've h

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

[Laurieskatz]

I agree with Sharyl. Go to a specialist.
Several of my cats (feLV-) have gingivitis. They need dental cleanings every
18 -24 months. There are usually teeth extracted. My 13 year old Coco has
only 9 teeth and 3 canines left. In the past my cats have had eating issues
and other problems after their dentals. We found a dental specialist in the
next city and have had much better results. He uses a mild sedative rather
than the heavy anesthesia the other vets used. He has an xray machine to
look at the roots of the teeth.
Btw, if your kitty has stomatitis there are options other than extractions
for that disease.
Good luck!
laurie
 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Borden
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:45 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

Thank you, Sharyl - it's not what I wanted to hear, but it's what I needed 
to hear if that makes any sense. I left the appointment yesterday with more 
questions than I had going into it. I love Tommy's holistic vet, but 
dentistry isn't her specialty, and I feel that I owe it to him to take him 
to a dental specialist. I have located a clinic relatively close to me that 
has a veterinary dentist on staff.

Thank you so much for your reply.

Lisa

--
From: "Sharyl" 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:20 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

> Lisa, I know you don't want to hear this but dental prob;ems can lead to a

> whole bunch of other issues if not addressed.  Tommy needs to be examined 
> by a vet familiar with dental issues.
>
> He may have periodontal disease (inflamed gums) which can lead to heart 
> and kidney issues.  Treatment could be as simple as an antibiotic.  FORLs 
> is another issue which is very painful.  Dental issues can be very painful

> and affect his willingness to eat.  The longer you wait the worse the 
> problem will get.
>
> I know dental surgery can be scary but with the proper precautions should 
> not be that dangerous.  Here is a link to info from a CRF website on 
> precautions to be used during the surgery.
> http://www.felinecrf.org/related_diseases.htm#dental_precautions
>
> I would make sure your vet followed these precautions.
> Hugs to Tommy
> Sharyl
>
> --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Lisa Borden  wrote:
>
>> From: Lisa Borden 
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 6:28 AM
>> This past week, my one year old FeLV+
>> kitty (Tommy) started pawing at the left side of his face. I
>> suspected an ear infection, so I took him to his holistic
>> vet. His ears were clean and had no inflammation. The ONLY
>> thing she saw was some inflammation around one of his back
>> teeth where some enamel was rubbing off. She told me this
>> was common, and the only way to fix it is to have the tooth
>> removed. My first reaction was, I don't want to put him
>> under anesthesia. But he seems so withdrawn and depressed,
>> like he's in pain. I just don't know what to do. I did
>> notice redness along his gum line on both sides of his mouth
>> as we were looking at his teeth yesterday.
>>
>> Any advice or words of wisdom would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Lisa
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

[Laurieskatz]

LTCI is one treatment vets are looking at and there is a cat I know who gets
a medication the first five days of each month. She has had some extractions
but not her entire mouth like some do. The entire mouth extraction, I am
told, works in about 60% of the cases. If you check archives on LTCI you
will find some info on it there. I believe using it for stomatitis is new.
Actually, our internal medicine vet here is getting a report from a
veterinary dentist who presented a talk on LTCI for stomatitis. I hope to
have more info about this soon that I can share.
Laurie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Shrout
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?

Laurie, you said there are options other than extractions -- what are they?
I have a cat (not a positive) who supposedly has stomatitis. She had not
been eating well for awhile, and I noticed while she was eating she would
kind of sniffle and breathe hard through her nose.  So I took her to the
vet, had blood work done, and stomatitis was the diagnosis -- he said she
was inflamed around the gums and there was a red line evident.
They suggested a teeth cleaning and possible extractions. I have heard so
many nightmare stories aboout the anesthesia (causing death), and he even
said he would not recommend it at her age. She's about 12 -- not sure, she
was a stray. So I got antibiotics, did not get the steroid shot he
recommended (which was pending the blood test), and they also recommended
C.E.T drinking water additive. She did not like the CET, nor did my other
cats.

I decided to give her Petzlife Oral Gel to see how that might work. I think
it has made a difference, although I don't know how much yet. She will not
let me look in her mouth (she's very fiesty!). I used that product on
another cat I have (a positive with terrible breath and mouth) after my vet
recommended a cleaning.  After about 3 months the vet told me her mouth
looked good. I couldn't believe that it could work that well. But I would be
very interested in any other advice for stomatitis, as everyone has said
that it is very painful.
Thanks for any advice,
Tracey

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:20 AM, Laurieskatz  wrote:

> I agree with Sharyl. Go to a specialist.
> Several of my cats (feLV-) have gingivitis. They need dental cleanings
> every
> 18 -24 months. There are usually teeth extracted. My 13 year old Coco has
> only 9 teeth and 3 canines left. In the past my cats have had eating
issues
> and other problems after their dentals. We found a dental specialist in
the
> next city and have had much better results. He uses a mild sedative rather
> than the heavy anesthesia the other vets used. He has an xray machine to
> look at the roots of the teeth.
> Btw, if your kitty has stomatitis there are options other than extractions
> for that disease.
> Good luck!
> laurie
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Borden
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:45 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?
>
> Thank you, Sharyl - it's not what I wanted to hear, but it's what I needed
> to hear if that makes any sense. I left the appointment yesterday with
more
> questions than I had going into it. I love Tommy's holistic vet, but
> dentistry isn't her specialty, and I feel that I owe it to him to take him
> to a dental specialist. I have located a clinic relatively close to me
that
> has a veterinary dentist on staff.
>
> Thank you so much for your reply.
>
> Lisa
>
> --
> From: "Sharyl" 
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:20 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis?
>
> > Lisa, I know you don't want to hear this but dental prob;ems can lead to
> a
>
> > whole bunch of other issues if not addressed.  Tommy needs to be
examined
> > by a vet familiar with dental issues.
> >
> > He may have periodontal disease (inflamed gums) which can lead to heart
> > and kidney issues.  Treatment could be as simple as an antibiotic.
FORLs
> > is another issue which is very painful.  Dental issues can be very
> painful
>
> > and affect his willingness to eat.  The longer you wait the worse the
> > problem will get.
> >
> > I know dental surgery can be scary but with the proper precautions
should
> > not be that dangerous.  Here is a link to info from a CRF website on
> > precautions to be used during the surgery.
> > http://www.felinecrf.org/related_diseases.htm#dental_precautions
> >
> > I w

Re: [Felvtalk] Sweet dreams little brother

[Laurieskatz]

Godspeed, little Mozart. God bless you, Jason.
I know the light will bring you comfort.
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jason Michael
Canon
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Sweet dreams little brother

At 7:45 tonight Mozart finally went to sleep.  Keep a light on for me
little brother.

Love always,
Jason

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[Felvtalk] Editor response re article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

[Laurieskatz]

Fyi...

 

From: Estelle Munro [mailto:este...@bestfriends.org] 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:00 PM
To: Laurieskatz
Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

 

Dear Laurie,
There is a new article in the Jan/Feb 2010 issue of Best Friends magazine on
FIV. I think you'll find it more in line with your thinking.

Best Wishes,

Estelle Munro
Assistant Editor


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From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com]
Sent: Tue 1/26/2010 7:21 PM
To: Estelle Munro
Subject: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

Dear Editor:



The article about Feline Leukemia Virus by Virginia Clemans is inconsistent
with my experience and, I believe, does a great injustice to cats diagnosed
with this virus. Certainly not all cats diagnosed with FeLV have the health
issues Clemans reports. I lived with two cats who were diagnosed with feline
leukemia after I adopted them. Stripes lived to age 16 years. Squeaky lived
to age 22 years. They were robust boy cats who lived together for 15 years.
They weighed 15-16 lbs. People always commented about what big boys they
were. They were playful and fully engaged in life.



Stripes had an occasional undiagnosed illness that always resolved. Squeaky
was never sick a day in his life until his final three weeks. Squeaky died
from oral cancer. We did not determine Stripes' cause of death. My vets did
not treat these cats any differently than other cats I have had. There was
no alarm sounded when their tests came back positive. The information was
given to me as part of a routine exam. I had no idea anyone thought this was
a big deal. Certainly my vets did not think so.



I rescued two other cats who tested positive for FeLV. Ollie lived to an old
age, asymptomatic except for some dental issues at the time he was rescued.
Bella is still alive. She is a 13 lb ball of love. She was rescued 3 years
ago and was an adult cat at that time. She was anemic and had a high fever
when rescued but these situations quickly resolved with medication treatment
by an internal medicine specialist.



Feline Leukemia does not have to be a death sentence. The kitties who test
positive should be retested as there can be false positives (and false
negatives). Their owners can find information and support groups on the
internet (yahoo offers several groups for FeLV cat owners). In this group
format they can talk to other people who live or have lived with cats with
FeLV. They can get questions answered. They can learn about feeding a
quality food, keeping stress to a minimum and various supplements and
treatments in the event of illness. Not all the cats who test positive will
be as lucky as those I mentioned here, but there is another side to this
disease and there are many cats who survive and thrive with this disease.



 

Sincerely,

Laurie Crawford Stone

Cedar Rapids, Iowa



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[Felvtalk] Second letter to Best Friends re Clemans

[Laurieskatz]

I tried this..

 

From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 8:23 AM
To: 'Estelle Munro'
Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

 

Thanks but this still does not address the issue of the FeLV article scaring
people and the likely unnecessary euthanizing of cats diagnosed with this
disease.

Will you consider printing my letter to present the other side and my own
experience, please?

Thank-you,

Laurie Crawford Stone

 

From: Estelle Munro [mailto:este...@bestfriends.org] 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:00 PM
To: Laurieskatz
Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

 

Dear Laurie,
There is a new article in the Jan/Feb 2010 issue of Best Friends magazine on
FIV. I think you'll find it more in line with your thinking.

Best Wishes,

Estelle Munro
Assistant Editor


-Original Message-
From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com]
Sent: Tue 1/26/2010 7:21 PM
To: Estelle Munro
Subject: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

Dear Editor:



The article about Feline Leukemia Virus by Virginia Clemans is inconsistent
with my experience and, I believe, does a great injustice to cats diagnosed
with this virus. Certainly not all cats diagnosed with FeLV have the health
issues Clemans reports. I lived with two cats who were diagnosed with feline
leukemia after I adopted them. Stripes lived to age 16 years. Squeaky lived
to age 22 years. They were robust boy cats who lived together for 15 years.
They weighed 15-16 lbs. People always commented about what big boys they
were. They were playful and fully engaged in life.



Stripes had an occasional undiagnosed illness that always resolved. Squeaky
was never sick a day in his life until his final three weeks. Squeaky died
from oral cancer. We did not determine Stripes' cause of death. My vets did
not treat these cats any differently than other cats I have had. There was
no alarm sounded when their tests came back positive. The information was
given to me as part of a routine exam. I had no idea anyone thought this was
a big deal. Certainly my vets did not think so.



I rescued two other cats who tested positive for FeLV. Ollie lived to an old
age, asymptomatic except for some dental issues at the time he was rescued.
Bella is still alive. She is a 13 lb ball of love. She was rescued 3 years
ago and was an adult cat at that time. She was anemic and had a high fever
when rescued but these situations quickly resolved with medication treatment
by an internal medicine specialist.



Feline Leukemia does not have to be a death sentence. The kitties who test
positive should be retested as there can be false positives (and false
negatives). Their owners can find information and support groups on the
internet (yahoo offers several groups for FeLV cat owners). In this group
format they can talk to other people who live or have lived with cats with
FeLV. They can get questions answered. They can learn about feeding a
quality food, keeping stress to a minimum and various supplements and
treatments in the event of illness. Not all the cats who test positive will
be as lucky as those I mentioned here, but there is another side to this
disease and there are many cats who survive and thrive with this disease.



 

Sincerely,

Laurie Crawford Stone

Cedar Rapids, Iowa

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Re: [Felvtalk] Li Won has passed on

[Laurieskatz]

Gentle journey Sweet Li Won.
Wonderful of you to care for her in her final years.
God bless you.
(My Squeaky, who was FeLV+, lived to age 22!!).


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 3:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Li Won has passed on

Li Won passed from my care about 2 days ago - she was 23 year old  
Siamese, not FELV.  I've had her for at least a couple of years maybe  
3 - she belonged to a friend's mother, who had cancer and died of it.   
She was a sweet, beloved kitty, liked to sleep and eat - and was  
certainly the oldest kitty I've had.  I wish her well in her journey  
to the bridge and am grateful that she was here.

Gloria

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[Felvtalk] OT missing 16 year old greyhound MI

[Laurieskatz]

Is this ok to send to the list members? Missing Michigan italian greyhound.

http://editor.ne16.com/bfas-dogtown/Caesar_flyer.pdf

 

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[Felvtalk] more from Best Friends re FeLV/Clemans article

[Laurieskatz]

Fyi..

 

From: Estelle Munro [mailto:este...@bestfriends.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 5:25 PM
To: Laurieskatz
Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

 

We do not publish letters in the magazine about material on the website but
I will forward your letter to our veterinarian and ask him if he feels the
article should be changed on the website. Thanks for your concern on this.

Estelle


-Original Message-
From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com]
Sent: Tue 2/2/2010 4:22 PM
To: Estelle Munro
Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

Yes it is the one on the website.

Laurie



From: Estelle Munro [mailto:este...@bestfriends.org]
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 4:30 PM
To: Laurieskatz
Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus



Dr Clemans has not worked for Best Friends since 2004. Which article are you
referring to? Is it the one on the website?

Estelle Munro
Assistant Editor


-Original Message-
From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com]
Sent: Sun 1/31/2010 7:22 AM
To: Estelle Munro
Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

Thanks but this still does not address the issue of the FeLV article scaring
people and the likely unnecessary euthanizing of cats diagnosed with this
disease.

Will you consider printing my letter to present the other side and my own
experience, please?

Thank-you,

Laurie Crawford Stone



From: Estelle Munro [mailto:este...@bestfriends.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:00 PM
To: Laurieskatz
Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus



Dear Laurie,
There is a new article in the Jan/Feb 2010 issue of Best Friends magazine on
FIV. I think you'll find it more in line with your thinking.

Best Wishes,

Estelle Munro
Assistant Editor


-Original Message-
From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com]
Sent: Tue 1/26/2010 7:21 PM
To: Estelle Munro
Subject: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

Dear Editor:



The article about Feline Leukemia Virus by Virginia Clemans is inconsistent
with my experience and, I believe, does a great injustice to cats diagnosed
with this virus. Certainly not all cats diagnosed with FeLV have the health
issues Clemans reports. I lived with two cats who were diagnosed with feline
leukemia after I adopted them. Stripes lived to age 16 years. Squeaky lived
to age 22 years. They were robust boy cats who lived together for 15 years.
They weighed 15-16 lbs. People always commented about what big boys they
were. They were playful and fully engaged in life.



Stripes had an occasional undiagnosed illness that always resolved. Squeaky
was never sick a day in his life until his final three weeks. Squeaky died
from oral cancer. We did not determine Stripes' cause of death. My vets did
not treat these cats any differently than other cats I have had. There was
no alarm sounded when their tests came back positive. The information was
given to me as part of a routine exam. I had no idea anyone thought this was
a big deal. Certainly my vets did not think so.



I rescued two other cats who tested positive for FeLV. Ollie lived to an old
age, asymptomatic except for some dental issues at the time he was rescued.
Bella is still alive. She is a 13 lb ball of love. She was rescued 3 years
ago and was an adult cat at that time. She was anemic and had a high fever
when rescued but these situations quickly resolved with medication treatment
by an internal medicine specialist.



Feline Leukemia does not have to be a death sentence. The kitties who test
positive should be retested as there can be false positives (and false
negatives). Their owners can find information and support groups on the
internet (yahoo offers several groups for FeLV cat owners). In this group
format they can talk to other people who live or have lived with cats with
FeLV. They can get questions answered. They can learn about feeding a
quality food, keeping stress to a minimum and various supplements and
treatments in the event of illness. Not all the cats who test positive will
be as lucky as those I mentioned here, but there is another side to this
disease and there are many cats who survive and thrive with this disease.





Sincerely,

Laurie Crawford Stone

Cedar Rapids, Iowa







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[Felvtalk] FW: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

[Laurieskatz]

If anyone is so inclined, might be good for them to hear from others.

Laurie

 

From: Estelle Munro [mailto:este...@bestfriends.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 6:38 PM
To: Laurieskatz
Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

 

Dear Laurie,
I have emailed Dr. Mike about your concerns and he does not feel that the
article is inaccurate. Although brief, it does not give the impression that
FeLeuk is an automatic death sentence nor does it in any way encourage folks
to euthanize upon diagnosis. She does encourage folks to provide good
nutrition, maintain a low stress environment, and keep in touch with the vet
at any sign of illness.

Perhaps at some point in the future Best Friends will do a more lengthy
article on Feline Leukemia. Thank you so much for your input. We appreciate
that your experience has been dramatically different to what Dr Clemans
described and are genuinely delighted for you and your cats. Our experience
and statistics we have seen show that what Dr Clemans wrote is unfortunately
more common.

Best Wishes,

Estelle Munro


-Original Message-
From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com]
Sent: Sun 1/31/2010 7:22 AM
To: Estelle Munro
Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

Thanks but this still does not address the issue of the FeLV article scaring
people and the likely unnecessary euthanizing of cats diagnosed with this
disease.

Will you consider printing my letter to present the other side and my own
experience, please?

Thank-you,

Laurie Crawford Stone



From: Estelle Munro [mailto:este...@bestfriends.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:00 PM
To: Laurieskatz
Subject: RE: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus



Dear Laurie,
There is a new article in the Jan/Feb 2010 issue of Best Friends magazine on
FIV. I think you'll find it more in line with your thinking.

Best Wishes,

Estelle Munro
Assistant Editor


-Original Message-
From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com]
Sent: Tue 1/26/2010 7:21 PM
To: Estelle Munro
Subject: Virginia Clemans article regarding Feline Leukemia Viirus

Dear Editor:



The article about Feline Leukemia Virus by Virginia Clemans is inconsistent
with my experience and, I believe, does a great injustice to cats diagnosed
with this virus. Certainly not all cats diagnosed with FeLV have the health
issues Clemans reports. I lived with two cats who were diagnosed with feline
leukemia after I adopted them. Stripes lived to age 16 years. Squeaky lived
to age 22 years. They were robust boy cats who lived together for 15 years.
They weighed 15-16 lbs. People always commented about what big boys they
were. They were playful and fully engaged in life.



Stripes had an occasional undiagnosed illness that always resolved. Squeaky
was never sick a day in his life until his final three weeks. Squeaky died
from oral cancer. We did not determine Stripes' cause of death. My vets did
not treat these cats any differently than other cats I have had. There was
no alarm sounded when their tests came back positive. The information was
given to me as part of a routine exam. I had no idea anyone thought this was
a big deal. Certainly my vets did not think so.



I rescued two other cats who tested positive for FeLV. Ollie lived to an old
age, asymptomatic except for some dental issues at the time he was rescued.
Bella is still alive. She is a 13 lb ball of love. She was rescued 3 years
ago and was an adult cat at that time. She was anemic and had a high fever
when rescued but these situations quickly resolved with medication treatment
by an internal medicine specialist.



Feline Leukemia does not have to be a death sentence. The kitties who test
positive should be retested as there can be false positives (and false
negatives). Their owners can find information and support groups on the
internet (yahoo offers several groups for FeLV cat owners). In this group
format they can talk to other people who live or have lived with cats with
FeLV. They can get questions answered. They can learn about feeding a
quality food, keeping stress to a minimum and various supplements and
treatments in the event of illness. Not all the cats who test positive will
be as lucky as those I mentioned here, but there is another side to this
disease and there are many cats who survive and thrive with this disease.





Sincerely,

Laurie Crawford Stone

Cedar Rapids, Iowa





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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Virginia Clemans article regarding FelineLeukemiaViirus

[Laurieskatz]

Yes, please!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:02 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Virginia Clemans article regarding
FelineLeukemiaViirus

My brother and I have both had Feleuk+ cats who lived to be 17, and we never
did anything "special" to prolong their lifespans- this was a little before
the current options were made available to Joe Blow. Perhaps I should mail
her as well...



From: Elizabeth Malone [mailto:malon...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wed 2/10/2010 10:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Virginia Clemans article regarding
FelineLeukemiaViirus



I did write to her. I have the exact same email. I told her about my boy who
lived for 8 years with this virus. I truly believe she just isn't willing to
look anyone else's opinion other than this Dr. Mike. It really is sad for
the many that have worked so diligently to provide education about this
illness.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws will be PTS tomorrow

[Laurieskatz]

Could he have a heart problem? Asthma?
Does he still want to eat? When Keisha was in cardiac trouble (congestive
heart failure) she did not want to eat.
Asthmatics will choose breathing over eating (my Teddy).
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
create_me_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 8:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws will be PTS tomorrow

I don't understand why people don't tell you the full story. I run into that
all the time in rescue. She may have just been afraid you wouldn't take him.
I wish you the best tomorrow.
Beth
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: LauraM 
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:07:28 
To: 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Frosty Paws will be PTS tomorrow

Well, I just got off the phone with the woman who rescued him, and she told
me some things I hadn't known about. First of all, she said he'd frequently
been sick:  lethargic, lifeless, with labored breathing. She didn't know he
was positive at the time. And I thought she'd had him for just a little
while, but in fact he'd lived with her since last April. I'm not sure when
he was tested.
So this guy has been symptomatic for some time, now. I wish I'd known this.
I would have still taken him in - but I'd have begun some sort of treatment
a month ago.  She's a reiki practicioner, and when he had these episodes of
illness she'd work on him and he'd recover. She's driving an hour from
Newnan tomorrow to meet me at the vet, and we'll take things from there.


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stanley and Muscular Atrophy

[Laurieskatz]

YES. We did a muscle biopsy and found myonecrosis - there are several causes
- toxins, histoplasmosis and vitamin deficiency. We could not think of a
toxin exposure. Coco was tested for histoplasmosis.  Since the results were
negative, the vets told me this was likely a Vitamin D, Selenium deficiency.
I had been feeding Coco dry Wellness. I had always poured it into a
Tupperware. The vet told me oxygen or water can deplete food of Vit D and
Selenium. I started feeding canned Wellness and she recovered. Another cat
taken in at the same time with the same issue did not recover as hers had
progressed too far. Coco could not walk right or jump up any more (rear leg
weakness) and she was having trouble eating because her tongue didn't work
right. This was 6 years ago! She still has some rear leg weakness and is
afraid to jump up on things she used to but she can walk and eat.
Blessings to you and Stanley,
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Tyler
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 2:24 PM
To: FeLV Talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Stanley and Muscular Atrophy

Hello everyone,

I've been watching this for over a year, but this is the first time I'm
contacting you-all.

I rescued Stanley (and two of his dumped buddies) about a year and a half
ago and, unfortunately, he was diagnosed with FeLV. All the cats were
estimated to be about a year old at that time. Late last summer Stanley went
through six weeks of LTCI treatment. He has also always been in excellent,
robust health since I found him and fattened him up.
This past weekend we noticed that he wasn't his usual self and he couldn't
jump up on anyone's lap without a lot of trouble so he went to the vet's
this morning. The vet said he has muscular atrophy in his hind legs. We did
an X-ray which showed no signs of tumors and his white blood cell count was
normal. I also noticed his eyes don't look right.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has seen these symptoms and how they dealt
with them? I want to make him as comfortable as I can because he probably
won't be regenerating any muscles. We're also thinking of continuing with
more LTCI injections.

Thanks for any help anyone has.

Diane

-- 
Diane Tyler
Spenser's Legacy Animal Rescue
www.SpensersLegacy.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie Update

[Laurieskatz]

I am sorry to hear this. My Squeaky (feLV+, 22 years old) lived 3 weeks
after cancer diagnosis. I made the tough decision when he quit eating and
started hiding. Sounds like Bernie still has quality. Glad to hear that.
Ps cats also purr to comfort themselves...I don't necessarily look to that
but DO consider if they are still eating, breathing, walking and not hiding.
God bless,

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bernie Update

Maria,

I'm sorry to hear about Bernie.  I lost my first leuk positive to intestinal
lymphoma.  It's so hard to get a diagnosis like that for such a young cat
but I hope you find some peace in knowing how special you've made these
months for him.  Enjoy whatever time you have left with him.  He's very
lucky to have you.

Amy

--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Maria  wrote:

> From: Maria 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Bernie Update
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 12:53 PM
> I took Bernie to the vet this morning
> and did an x-ray.  He has a large mass
> near his stomach/intestine.  We have decided not to do
> chemo and have put
> him on some steroids and pain medication.  He is still
> eating and purring
> which is good, but it will only get worse.
> 
> We will probably put him to sleep Friday or Saturday. 
> Sooner if it gets
> worse, but I want everyone to be able to be there if they
> can.
> 
> For the record:
> Bernie - Diagnosed FelV+ at 7 months, diagnosed with
> uveitis at 1 year 7
> months, diagnosed with lymphoma about 1 year 8 months.
> 
> He is the most amazing cat I have ever had.  The best
> personality and made
> me smile every day.  I don't regret one vet bill or
> day I had with him.
>  I want to thank everyone on this list for their support
> and knowledge.  I
> really appreciate it and I think all of you are amazing. I
> will keep you and
> all your babies in my prayers.
> 
> 
> Thank you again,
> 
> Maria
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stanley and Muscular Atrophy

[Laurieskatz]

This is good to know. Thank-you, Belinda.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Stanley and Muscular Atrophy

hi Diane,
   It would depend on what his potassium level is.  When Fred had muscle 
wasting it was because of his low potassium, he was CRF and that is a 
known cause of low potassium.

-- 

Belinda
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hair Loss

[Laurieskatz]

Demodex mite is a possibility. Is he real itchy?
The clumps and itching are what Coco had. It's hard to find the mites as
they are very small. They can apparently live on the animal and if their
immune system is compromised the mite can start affecting them. Coco was on
steroids and that shut down her immune system and then we had the mite
problem. She had to have lyme baths.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Carol Tsai
Begnoche
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hair Loss

Hi all.  My 1 year old FeLV+ male cat has started to have some hair loss on
his head and neck.  I noticed a bit of a bald spot on his neck a few days
ago with a small scratch (he plays rough with his brother).  I didn't think
anything of it as I thought maybe he just scratched the hair off.  Then I
noticed that the top of his head had some balding spot.  This evening I
noticed an entire clump of hair missing on top of his head.  I haven't seen
him scratch or act any differently.  He still lets me pet him.  I haven't
changed his diet or environment.  He seems to be eating normally and
drinking too.  I'm at a loss.  I plan to call my vet and take him in if this
doesn't improve in the next couple  days.  Any ideas on what this could be?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hair Loss

[Laurieskatz]

Ps important to get your boy in soon - esp if you have other animals.
I  had to have all my cats dipped.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Carol Tsai
Begnoche
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hair Loss

Hi all.  My 1 year old FeLV+ male cat has started to have some hair loss on
his head and neck.  I noticed a bit of a bald spot on his neck a few days
ago with a small scratch (he plays rough with his brother).  I didn't think
anything of it as I thought maybe he just scratched the hair off.  Then I
noticed that the top of his head had some balding spot.  This evening I
noticed an entire clump of hair missing on top of his head.  I haven't seen
him scratch or act any differently.  He still lets me pet him.  I haven't
changed his diet or environment.  He seems to be eating normally and
drinking too.  I'm at a loss.  I plan to call my vet and take him in if this
doesn't improve in the next couple  days.  Any ideas on what this could be?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hair Loss

[Laurieskatz]

Coco was strictly indoor, too. Demodex is VERY ITCHY.
Can you see if there is an injury? wondering about an abscess..?

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hair Loss

I had an indoor kitty turn up with demodex, though I can't say I really
noticed she was overly itchy, I thought it was rinworm at first since I do
resuce and had been dealing with that.  I took her to the vet who thought it
was allergies then had one last thought to do a skin scraping and found one
mite.

Now, I really don't know if that may be what this is--could, I am sure, be a
number of things as skin issues can be so hard to pinpoint.   And, ringworm
can look like anything just fyi but hopefully it isn't that.

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Carol Tsai Begnoche  wrote:

> He doesn't seem to be overly itchy.  It actually doesn't seem to bother
him
> at all.  How would he have gotten mites?  All my cats are indoors.  I've
> had
> him for over a year now and he was much sicker when I first got him.  He
> seems to be healthy now.  I was also watching him play last night and it
> appears his brother likes to bop him on the head.  Could that be it?
>
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 15
> > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 06:57:45 -0800
> > From: Hotmail Junk 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hair Loss
> > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> > Message-ID: 
> > Content-Type: text/plain;   charset=us-ascii;   format=flowed;
> >  delsp=yes
> >
> > My Gray Kitty has had some hair loss too, however, his is due to his
> > Prednisolone.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 23, 2010, at 6:24 AM, "Laurieskatz" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Demodex mite is a possibility. Is he real itchy?
> > > The clumps and itching are what Coco had. It's hard to find the
> > > mites as
> > > they are very small. They can apparently live on the animal and if
> > > their
> > > immune system is compromised the mite can start affecting them. Coco
> > > was on
> > > steroids and that shut down her immune system and then we had the mite
> > > problem. She had to have lyme baths.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Carol Tsai
> > > Begnoche
> > > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 10:01 PM
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Hair Loss
> > >
> > > Hi all.  My 1 year old FeLV+ male cat has started to have some hair
> > > loss on
> > > his head and neck.  I noticed a bit of a bald spot on his neck a few
> > > days
> > > ago with a small scratch (he plays rough with his brother).  I
> > > didn't think
> > > anything of it as I thought maybe he just scratched the hair off.
> > > Then I
> > > noticed that the top of his head had some balding spot.  This
> > > evening I
> > > noticed an entire clump of hair missing on top of his head.  I
> > > haven't seen
> > > him scratch or act any differently.  He still lets me pet him.  I
> > > haven't
> > > changed his diet or environment.  He seems to be eating normally and
> > > drinking too.  I'm at a loss.  I plan to call my vet and take him in
> > > if this
> > > doesn't improve in the next couple  days.  Any ideas on what this
> > > could be?
> > >
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Re: [Felvtalk] please remove my name

[Laurieskatz]

Diane, My response exactly. 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] please remove my name

(Sigh.) Sharon, please remove yourself by clicking the link at the bottom of
this email (it's on every email you have gotten from the list), scroll to
the bottom of the page and type in your email address. You will be
instructed how to unsubscribe.

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Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 6:28 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] please remove my name

I WANT OFF THIS MAILING LIST Please remove my name. 

Thank you,
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[Felvtalk] vaccination questions

[Laurieskatz]

I don't currently have any FeLv+ cats. I am wondering what others do about
vaccinating non FeLV+ cats.

Some of my cats are older (12/13) and some have health issues ( asthma,
pancreatitis, allergies). I really hate to vaccinate these guys for anything
(including rabies).

 

Rabies is required but Coco has a terrible reaction every time she is
vaccinated for rabies (stops eating). I know the adjuvant is the suspected
caused of VAS. I know there is an adjuvant free distemper vaccine and also
an inter nasal. I do not know if there is an adjuvant free rabies vaccine. I
also know a smaller needle is recommended for all vaccinations to keep from
injecting the skin plug into the body. 

 

I don't like to vaccinate. I know that adult cats generally do not need the
panleukopenia part of the distemper series vaccination. All of mine have
been regularly vaccinated for years, except Tessa (she has been here 18
months and vaccinated once for rabies and distemper). We tried the titer
testing but my vet discourages that (I think for cost reasons).

 

I do not vaccinate for FeLV anymore (I would if I had an FeLV+ cat living
with my others). My vet believes the initial round of FeLV vaccinations
might be sufficient for life. 

 

Would others be willing to share what you do about vaccinating? 

 

Thanks,

Laurie

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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

[Laurieskatz]

Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the
thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my
vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies
but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it
is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that
the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they
are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated
if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He
said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and
found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all.
We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do
think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they
like to sleep behind our shutters.
I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~
Thank-you!
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Re: [Felvtalk] any advice

[Laurieskatz]

Interferon worked great for us.
Try stinky foods (Fancy Feast, Solid gold tuna, etc). Good info at Feline
assisted feeding yahoo group about anorexia.
Can sprinkle tuna flakes on her food to stimulate appetite, too. WATCH FOR
DIARRHEA if you are trying new foods.
Important to keep her eating. Glad you posted about it.
Wonder if she has a URI? If they can't smell, they won't eat.
Any trouble breathing? Given a choice, they will breathe before eating.
Good luck to you and Scooter.
L


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jeanne ogrady
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] any advice

HI MY CAT SCOOTER HAS FELINE LEUK. SHE IS STARTING TO STRUGGLE EATING ON AND
OFF. ANY ADVISE ABOUT DRUGS TO BOOST THE IMMUNE SYSTEM. OR OTHER METHODS
THAT ANYONE HAS TRIED. THANKS MUCH APPRECIATED. JEANNE


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive and our Introduction

[Laurieskatz]

Bless you and your family for helping all these kitties. I am so sorry for
your losses.
My Squeaky was also figured to be a carrier. He was symptom free for 22
years!


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of David & Lisa Ogg
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive and our Introduction

Hi,

I am rather new to this list, but wanted to ask Sue how long ago was it that

sweet Casper was vacinated for Feline Leukemia before she tested positive? 
I am just curious as I am learning so much about this horrible disease.   I 
have been reading many posts since I joined in January and I just want to 
say thank you to all of you out there who care for these positive furballs 
like a do.   I can't believe how much I have learned.   I also would like to

share my story with you.

My daughter and I foster for a small rescue in PA (bottle babies is our 
specialty) and we have just recently became a positive house.   Prior to 
January, we had a negative cat, Polly (our own) which we adopted in 2006 and

Chessie, adopted in September 2008.   In December of 2008, we took in a 
foster cat from a vet that had a hip injury and the original owners were 
going to have her put to sleep due to lack of finances.   The vet felt that 
Jasmine (1-2 years old) had such a sweet personality and deserved better. 
She contacted the rescue and asked if we would be willing to take her. 
Before we brought her home, she was tested at the vets for Feline Leukemia 
and it came back negative.   She had her surgery, spayed, etc. and healed 
fine.   Anyway, Chessie became sick right around Christmas and when he 
stopped eating, I took him to the vet and he tested positive.   He 
progressed very fast and passed away in January.   After having the other 
two cats tested, Polly was negative (has since died due to tumor), and 
Jasmine tested positive.

This caused a big stir in our house and the lady we foster for as that meant

several cats needed to be tested.  In January we also lost 2 other kittens 
who were adopted out which were exposed to my Positive cats while they were 
kittens (and later, since one of them wasn't adopted right away, the one was

exposed to the cats from the lady we rescue from).  After much testing 
between the lady who we rescue cats for and our house, we have determined 
that Jasmine seems to be the one who has spread it.   We are assuming that 
she is a carrier.   She is a very healthy cat.Since one of the other 
cats at our rescue (in another house) tested positive, we took her in.   We 
have many more cats there that have tested negative, but are getting 
retested in a couple of months.

Today we just added a beautiful, positive Snow Shoe girl to our family.   We

have named her Tootsie.  She was found 3 weeks ago by a friend of mine and 
was neglected/abused.   My friend took her in and has saved her (had an 
exposed trachea and gangerine) and didn't think she would find anyone with a

positive cat(s).   Surprise!   My friend has dealt with a lot of 
trauma/wounds, but has never seen anything like this.   We look forward to 
providing for her and giving her the best care she could have.  Thanks for 
letting me share.

Lisa

- Original Message - 
From: "Frank & Sue Koren" 
To: "FeLV talk" 
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:47 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive


> My poor sweet Casper is FeLV+.  So by making the decision to mix I have 
> condemned him.  He is anemic and he is going on Doxycyclne and 
> Prednosolone.  Has anyone ever heard of a cat that has anemia living 
> longer then a few months?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive

[Laurieskatz]

I am so sorry to hear about Casper. I do think sometimes the ones we think
become FeLV+ were already positive (like my kitty who the vet said probably
carried it in his bone marrow).
YES re the anemia! My niece rescued a FeLV+ adult cat almost 3 years ago.
She is a happy and healthy 13 lb girl!
We also rescued a kitten who was a suspected victim of the food recall. He
was also very sick with anemia and is still alive ...3? or 4 years later.
L 

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
create_me_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive

I'm so sorry to hear this. I've always mixed mine with no transmission. But
that was a personal choice.
I know some people on this list have successfully treated anemia. It depends
on what is the underlying cause. They give Doxy in the hopes it is Hemobart.
I hope for the best for you and Casper.
Beth
--Original Message--
From: Frank & Sue Koren
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
To: FeLV talk
ReplyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive
Sent: Mar 4, 2010 7:47 PM

My poor sweet Casper is FeLV+.  So by making the decision to mix I have
condemned him.  He is anemic and he is going on Doxycyclne and Prednosolone.
Has anyone ever heard of a cat that has anemia living longer then a few
months?
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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

[Laurieskatz]

As a matter of fact, I have! 
I worried that it might attract MORE bats.not sure what the outcome
would be.
I do love bats and, of course, let the last one out (my cats killed the
first one and I only found body parts).  Because the second one was in the
bedroom area, we all had to have the rabies series of shots! There was a
presumption we'd been bitten. If there is a next time I won't tell anyone...

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:35 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

Hey Laurie- have you ever considered putting up bat houses? That may keep
them out of the house :-)

http://www.batconservation.org/content/Bathouseimportance.html 


-Original Message-----
From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com]
Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 1:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
 
Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the
thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my
vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies
but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it
is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that
the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they
are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated
if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He
said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and
found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all.
We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do
think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they
like to sleep behind our shutters.
I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~
Thank-you!
Laurie and tribe  







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Re: [Felvtalk] MeMe 2006-3-32010

[Laurieskatz]

Jane, I am so sorry. I did not realize when we talked privately yesterday
that MeMe took the 10PM flight to heaven just the night before. The two
photos of Meme are amazing (and so are your other photos!). Your love is
between every line of your story about sweet MeMe. What a joyful cat she
was. And what a character. Grief is not for sissies. I still cannot talk
about recent losses without tears. I can't talk about long ago losses
without tears. Our grief is evidence that someone lived and was loved. It is
how we honor their lives and how we heal. Feel your grief. Let your Scotties
comfort you. And you, them. Look for MeMe. I suspect, with  her being such a
character, that she will visit you. When the Scotties look at something you
cannot see, it could be MeMe. I think animals see things we don't or can't.
God bless you for loving this wonderful soul. You will be tied together
forever.
Pick up the book Cat Heaven, by Cynthia Rylant, if you can. It is a child's
picture book and very comforting.
XO
L

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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

[Laurieskatz]

Same is true here. I caught  for not killing the bat so they could
examine it.
I would make the same choice again.


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

i was in MI then

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Cougar Clan  wrote:

> What state are you in?
>
> On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
>
>  THEY DON'T CARE.
>>
>> if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the
>> cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the
>> very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals
>> are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they
>> will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then,
so
>> it hardly matters.
>>
>> i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew
>> up
>> from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i
>> talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to
>> find
>> out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take
>> that
>> long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill
people
>> who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals.
>>
>> so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the
>> state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was
>> positive..
>>
>> so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what
>> that
>> choice could entail.
>>
>> MC
>>
>> --
>> Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
>> Maybe That'll Make The Difference
>>
>> MaryChristine
>> Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (
>> www.purebredcats.org)
>> Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell

[Laurieskatz]

And I do a nasal saline spray (Ayr) since the netti pot and I don't agree. 
Also, warm salt water gargle.
L

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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: wendy
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell

WHEN MY SINUSES ACT UP, THE FIRST THING I TAKE IS l-lYSINE AND 1000 UNITS OF C. 
 ALL THE DOCTOR'S ANTIBIOTICS DO NOT WORK.  THE VIRUS I THINK HAS MUTATED AND 
IS NOW IMMUNE TO THEM.  DORLIS

 wendy  wrote: 
> Sally,
> 
> I am a huge believer in Vit C, not only for animals, but humans as well.  
> This week I have been fighting off a cold since Friday, and popping 1000 mg 
> of Vit C every 1-4 hours, on and off.  Had I not been popping the Vit C, I 
> know from past experience I'd already have been to the doc.  My friend's 
> family owns an alternative treatment center here in the town where I live, 
> and they do Vit C IV therapy on their patients.  I also believe in the value 
> of L-lysine as an anti-viral, although we've had some very interesting 
> conversations here debating that fact.
> 
> :)
> Wendy
>  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
> the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret 
> Meade ~~~ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

[Laurieskatz]

Laura, sending healing thoughts, energy and prayers to you. You did right by
these kitties. There are so many things we cannot control. You gave them
love and they had a better life with you than they would have had
otherwise...even though brief. Godspeed, sweet Bridget. 

My beloved Keisha, (age unknown, FeLv-) was my kitty for 10 years. One day
she was having trouble breathing. I took her to the ER. The vet told me he
wanted to give her some oxygen and that she would be fine. He told me to
come back in 2 hours. He called me an hour later and said she died. I had so
many questions and guilt and then some days later I realized my guilt and
the answers to my questions would not bring her back and I did the best I
could.  
I did request a necropsy and did learn her cause of death (congestive heart
failure. I also learned she had beginning stage lung cancer). Knowing what
she died of did provide some measure of comfort but didn't change things.

My best,
Laurie 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

Oh Laura I am so sorry. You have truly had an awful time lately. Please
don't blame yourself. I've had a couple kitties die under anesthesia. It has
usually been their heart. 
You are such a wonderful person to take in these kitties & have done so much
more than most people would have. Unfortunately having these kitties takes a
horrible toll on our hearts. My thoughts are with you. 

Beth
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--- On Wed, 3/17/10, LauraM  wrote:

From: LauraM 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:45 PM

Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly
under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and
now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then
Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have
been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her.
Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with
it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I
have to know whether I killed my cat.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

[Laurieskatz]

Laura, you are obviously blessed with strong intuitive thought.  
I am so sorry that you are having these feelings that Bridget's passing is
your fault. I know you will trust your gut in the future. For now, please
try to forgive yourself. When I don't act or do act in opposition to my gut
and something bad happens, all I can do is learn to listen better the next
time. That is ALL I can do at that point. I have so many regrets about not
doing what, in hindsight, I think I should have, but I cannot live there or
it will kill me or make me sick.
Bridget needs your positive energy to get where she is going. I am sending
energy to you.for some peace in your heart and for self forgiveness.
God bless you. You did what you thought was the right thing.
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:17 PM
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This really bothers me. For the past week I've had an awful premonition that
I shouldn't spay her, that she would die during surgery. I had a bad, bad
feeling. No reason behind it, the thought just kept intruding. I ignored it
and figured I was just worrying too much. It reminds me of something that
happened a few years back. I had a day off in the middle of the week, it was
springtime, & I decided I would go to a nature preserve near my house to
look for salamanders. Anyway, about a week before I planned to go, I began
"seeing" a newspaper headline in my head: "Hiker finds body in woods."  The
feeling was very disturbing and very, very strong. The day of my little trip
came, and I was so freaked out I didn't go. A few days later I opened up the
paper and what did I see? "Hiker finds body in woods." At the nature
preserve I planned to visit. In the very same spot I thought I'd
find salamanders. It was a mentally ill man who had suffered from an
 apparent heart attack and died. 
This time I didn't trust my gut and look what happened. It is my fault.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

[Laurieskatz]

I am very glad you spoke to someoneplease let us know what you hear from
Bridget. The morning after Keisha died I felt and heard (she purred
constantly and loudly) her glued next to me in bed in those first seconds
before reality slams into your consciousness. I know she was sleeping with
me one last time. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

You might be right about that. I know a woman who's a medium, and when we
spoke last night she said that Bridget was sent to me to give me two
lessons:  one, to learn to let go; and two, to trust my instincts more.
Well, that's great, but if I'd trusted my instincts she'd still be alive!
She also said that Bridget doesn't blame me and she is very happy on the
other side, but will come back to me three days after her death (Saturday).

--- On Fri, 3/19/10, MaryChristine  wrote:


From: MaryChristine 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:28 PM


please, please remember that we do the very best we can at the moment, with
the information at hand. you know, and bridget knows, that you would NEVER
have done anything willingly to hurt her. you did what you thought was best,
in her best interest. it may be true that you choose not to listen to an
inner voice, but it may equally be true that that was the last lesson that
bridget was here to teach you: to believe in that voice the next time.
sometimes we only learn that sort of lesson this hardest way.

i think that we try to take the blame for things because it's easier to
think that we could have done something differently, changed outcomes, than
to accept that we are, in many many situations, powerless. the healthiest
cat can die from a simple surgery, or a undetected wound, or some genetic
glitch we had no idea existed in its DNA soup. all we can do, for any of
those in our lifes, regardless of species, is love them to the best of our
ability, and know that every minute is a gift.

GLOW to guide Bridget across the bridge, where she was met by many others
who have gone before her. and as many others have said, she WILL come to you
when the most intense pain has diminished a bit.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

[Laurieskatz]

Laura, I just looked back and realize you lost all 3 kitties in just 30 days
PLEASE be gentle with yourself and give yourself time to grieve. It was
suggested to me: every morning write down one thing I am grateful for, one
way I am going to bring joy to myself that day and one way I am going to
bring joy to others that day. It has helped me.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

You might be right about that. I know a woman who's a medium, and when we
spoke last night she said that Bridget was sent to me to give me two
lessons:  one, to learn to let go; and two, to trust my instincts more.
Well, that's great, but if I'd trusted my instincts she'd still be alive!
She also said that Bridget doesn't blame me and she is very happy on the
other side, but will come back to me three days after her death (Saturday).

--- On Fri, 3/19/10, MaryChristine  wrote:


From: MaryChristine 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:28 PM


please, please remember that we do the very best we can at the moment, with
the information at hand. you know, and bridget knows, that you would NEVER
have done anything willingly to hurt her. you did what you thought was best,
in her best interest. it may be true that you choose not to listen to an
inner voice, but it may equally be true that that was the last lesson that
bridget was here to teach you: to believe in that voice the next time.
sometimes we only learn that sort of lesson this hardest way.

i think that we try to take the blame for things because it's easier to
think that we could have done something differently, changed outcomes, than
to accept that we are, in many many situations, powerless. the healthiest
cat can die from a simple surgery, or a undetected wound, or some genetic
glitch we had no idea existed in its DNA soup. all we can do, for any of
those in our lifes, regardless of species, is love them to the best of our
ability, and know that every minute is a gift.

GLOW to guide Bridget across the bridge, where she was met by many others
who have gone before her. and as many others have said, she WILL come to you
when the most intense pain has diminished a bit.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

[Laurieskatz]

Ditto! Lucky kitten and lucky youunconditional love!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 8:48 AM
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Jeff, what a wonderful storyand you a an angel for giving this little
guy a chance to live an to know what love feels like.  Bravo!!


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget has sent me another cat

[Laurieskatz]

I am certain this was meant to be. What a wonderful gift and what a blessing
for you and the little one. 
What wonderful people to board her for that long. This little girl was just
waiting for you
Thank-you, Bridget. (Keisha sent me Tessa after she died- she is almost the
same cat, even down to the raspy meow).
Laurie

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Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 6:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget has sent me another cat

First, thank you everyone for all your kindness and support over Bridget's
passing. I appreciate it so much. But she's sent me another FeLV+ friend to
help! On the evening of 3/17, the day she died, I checked the adoptable
positives section of the website. Lo and behold, someone in GA had posted an
available kitty just the day before. I never, ever check those postings,
ever, but I figured the best way to honor Bridget, Baby Girl, Frosty Paws
and the rest would be to take in another needy baby. These kind people had
found this little girl in their neighborhood, but couldn't keep her due to
the wife's allergies. They'd been boarding her at their vet's office for 5
weeks but hadn't been able to find her a home. Anyway, they brought me the
cat yesterday, and she's just wonderful...still a little nervous around my
big boys, but she'll be fine. Maybe this was meant to be.
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Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond

[Laurieskatz]

I am so sorry. Nibbler will light the way for them
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:01 PM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond

Both of my beautiful baby boys, Brillo and Desmond joined their brother
Nibbler in heaven today.
My heart is broken.  They will be missed more then words can describe.


  


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Re: [Felvtalk] some comfort

[Laurieskatz]

This is wonderful detail! I am taking a online on demand course from the
Louise Hay group and heard John Holland, the communicator, last night. 
He no longer does readings but says he can identify the breed of a dog from
the other side who speaks to him and how comforting that is to those left
behind.
Thank-you for sharing this exciting communication!
I think your subject line says it all :-)
Laurie
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] some comfort

I think I mentioned a few days ago that I would be speaking with an animal
communicator about Bridget. That happened tonight. I do feel better. I'd
been so upset about my decision to have her spayed in spite of my
apprehension, but he said he felt she had a weak immune system, perhaps
liver problems, and the body she had wouldn't have lasted long. He said the
vet did give her too much anesthesia - it was the standard amount for a cat
her size, but it was just too much for her because she had some underlying
problems. 
It was interesting. He said she'd been part of a litter with other cats who
looked very much like her (very true) and who had the same problem (her
brother died in September). He did say that he didn't see Chutney or the
other cats around her, even though he knew that I had had other cats who had
passed.
This is where it gets strange. He said, "She's showing me a whole lot of
other cats and says you just got two more cats." (yes, the FeLV+ cat from
Smyrna and one from work who tested positive for FIV so I just kept him.)
These cats came just a few days ago. He said, be prepared, she says more
cats will be coming. He wanted to know if I worked in rescue, and I do work
at a shelter. I asked him if she said anything about other animals, and he
said she was talking about a medium sized, very noisy black dog (she kept
saying "I heard the dog") who hadn't been around for very long (I just got
that dog back in early January). That's a dog who would always jump up at
her when I let the dogs into the house, and she's the noisiest damn dog
ever. And he said she kept mentioning a farm and some other sort of animal,
but he wasn't sure what. I don't have farm animals but I do have a ton of
turtles who spend winters in the garage with the positive cats & summers
 outdoors. That might be what he was referring to.
I asked him whether she liked where she was buried. He said, "She says it's
a memorial garden with flowers and a big oak tree, and she's with others."
Very true! And the strangest thing: I wondered if she was still around, and
he said, "You have a very big, comfortable bed with a very soft burgundy or
wine colored throw on it, and that's where she is." And yes - it's a thick,
double fleece wine colored big blanket, and it's always on the bed, and the
cats and the dogs love it as much as I do.
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Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

[Laurieskatz]

Frankie did go blind. He had lots of baytril as a kitten when the vet was
treating asthma as an URI. It's the high doses that are the concern. You
might do a google search. My vet tells me he had the lower doses but he had
repeated doses. His blindness could be the baytril or genetic. No one can
tell me for sure.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 6:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

Baytril can cause blindness but it is a rare complication.  I have had many
cats on it and none has ever gone blind.

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Twisted Princess <
twistedprinces...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> hi, me again...
>
> i know you can't believe everything you read on the internet but i have
> read from several sources regarding b aytril can cause blindness. one
person
> mention  it will after 10 days. my vet has my cat on it. he gave me 4 ml
and
> the dose is .3ml so that is nearly 2 weeks. i called the office and they
> said just give it to him until its gone.
>
>  i called my regular vet who's office apparently has been told not they
can
> not give an opinion that would be opposing another vet. any idea here?
today
> (friday) is the 9th day he has been on the medicine - at least here. he
may
> have been on it the 3 days he was at the vet, i don't know.
>
> the office person is suppose to get back to me to me as to whether our vet
> does the LTCI. the vet who treated the cat does not. anyone know of a good
> vet that does in the long beach california area? i don't drive freeways, i
> hardly drive at all so it basically has to be in long beach or within a
few
> miles of long beach.
>
> and i guess the baytril is for the uti and not the felv.
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine

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My vet no longer recommends FeLV vaccine, either. 
Tessa, my last rescue, has not been vaccinated for FeLV. She was tested and
isolated before being introduced to the others. I have usually tested new
cats at least twice before introducing to the others.
I don't have any FeLV+ cats living in my house. If I did, I would vaccinate
the others - at least the first shot and first booster. My vet thinks the
first two (30 days apart) will protect for life.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:51 AM
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Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccine

A friend who lives in the Wash. DC area just told me her
vet no longer recommends vaccines for FelV. In her case,
she had a cat she adopted who was FelV pos. and he died
at 18 months of age.  She had her other two cats vaccinated
last year when she found out he was pos. and when she went
to get their annual FelV boosters she was told they don't
recommend them. I'm not sure if this means just the boosters 
or any FelV shots.

Have any of you heard anything about this?

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

[Laurieskatz]

I think triple antibiotic cream might be preferred to Neosporin?
If you can hold her, good idea to do so for a few minutes to give the anti
biotic a chance :-)
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Linda Sollberger
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

Hello everyone,
I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted anything. My
neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats.  Their mother was a stray cat
in our neighborhood and had kittens in our garage.  I was just trying to cut
a mat out of one of them, just under her front leg, and accidentally cut her
skin.  I feel so bad. I've never done that before to any pet.  It bled a
little but its just the skin that was cut.  We put some Neosporin on it and
a little gauze bandage.  We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the bandage
to keep it on so I cut  a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied it on.  I'm
just wondering if that's the right thing to do.  Do you think I need to take
her to the vet right away or can we just watch it for a few days?  I don't
want to stress her by taking her to the vet if I don't have to.   I have 2
cats of my own and have had quite a few vet bills lately too.  I don't need
any more but I want to do the right thing too.  How do you treat cuts in a
FeLV cat? She's almost 2 years old. 
 I'm becoming quite a worrier.  We have already lost 2 of the kittens we
originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can.   Originally
my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out too late for the
first one that that's not the case.  I changed vets and I have someone I can
trust now. My heart and prayers go out to all of you who have lost  little
ones lately.   I cry ever time I read about them and almost got off the list
because it's so painful but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I
can.  Thanks for any advice you have.  

Linda
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Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

[Laurieskatz]

Oh, I forgot! A holistic vet recommends Calendula Gel. It heals things very
quickly. I used it on an infected spay incision (cat) and cat bite (me).
It's amazing.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

I generally clean the cut with Hydrogen Peroxide, poured directly on  
the cut.  Then either antibiotic ointment or an herbal, Golden Seal  
powder or liquid.

Gloria



On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Linda Sollberger wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted  
> anything. My neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats.  Their  
> mother was a stray cat in our neighborhood and had kittens in our  
> garage.  I was just trying to cut a mat out of one of them, just  
> under her front leg, and accidentally cut her skin.  I feel so bad.  
> I've never done that before to any pet.  It bled a little but its  
> just the skin that was cut.  We put some Neosporin on it and a  
> little gauze bandage.  We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the  
> bandage to keep it on so I cut  a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied  
> it on.  I'm just wondering if that's the right thing to do.  Do you  
> think I need to take her to the vet right away or can we just watch  
> it for a few days?  I don't want to stress her by taking her to the  
> vet if I don't have to.   I have 2 cats of my own and have had quite  
> a few vet bills lately too.  I don't need any more but I want to do  
> the right thing too.  How do you treat cuts in a FeLV cat? She's  
> almost 2 years old.
> I'm becoming quite a worrier.  We have already lost 2 of the kittens  
> we originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can.
> Originally my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out  
> too late for the first one that that's not the case.  I changed vets  
> and I have someone I can trust now. My heart and prayers go out to  
> all of you who have lost  little ones lately.   I cry ever time I  
> read about them and almost got off the list because it's so painful  
> but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I can.  Thanks  
> for any advice you have.
>
> Linda
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Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

[Laurieskatz]

Yes and only clean it once with HP.

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Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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You know--A & D Cream (not ointment) works really great too--comes in a
tube-usually in baby dept at drug store.  But I'd let it air out a bit after
cleaning w. Peroxide.  

Christiane Biagi
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

Oh, I forgot! A holistic vet recommends Calendula Gel. It heals things very
quickly. I used it on an infected spay incision (cat) and cat bite (me).
It's amazing.
L

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

I generally clean the cut with Hydrogen Peroxide, poured directly on  
the cut.  Then either antibiotic ointment or an herbal, Golden Seal  
powder or liquid.

Gloria



On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Linda Sollberger wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted  
> anything. My neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats.  Their  
> mother was a stray cat in our neighborhood and had kittens in our  
> garage.  I was just trying to cut a mat out of one of them, just  
> under her front leg, and accidentally cut her skin.  I feel so bad.  
> I've never done that before to any pet.  It bled a little but its  
> just the skin that was cut.  We put some Neosporin on it and a  
> little gauze bandage.  We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the  
> bandage to keep it on so I cut  a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied  
> it on.  I'm just wondering if that's the right thing to do.  Do you  
> think I need to take her to the vet right away or can we just watch  
> it for a few days?  I don't want to stress her by taking her to the  
> vet if I don't have to.   I have 2 cats of my own and have had quite  
> a few vet bills lately too.  I don't need any more but I want to do  
> the right thing too.  How do you treat cuts in a FeLV cat? She's  
> almost 2 years old.
> I'm becoming quite a worrier.  We have already lost 2 of the kittens  
> we originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can.
> Originally my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out  
> too late for the first one that that's not the case.  I changed vets  
> and I have someone I can trust now. My heart and prayers go out to  
> all of you who have lost  little ones lately.   I cry ever time I  
> read about them and almost got off the list because it's so painful  
> but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I can.  Thanks  
> for any advice you have.
>
> Linda
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Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

[Laurieskatz]

Yes.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Linda Sollberger
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

Thanks a lot.  I feel better.  Can you get the Calendula Gel at a health 
store? I imagine drug stores don't carry it.
- Original Message - 
From: "Laurieskatz" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat


> Oh, I forgot! A holistic vet recommends Calendula Gel. It heals things 
> very
> quickly. I used it on an infected spay incision (cat) and cat bite (me).
> It's amazing.
> L
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:29 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat
>
> I generally clean the cut with Hydrogen Peroxide, poured directly on
> the cut.  Then either antibiotic ointment or an herbal, Golden Seal
> powder or liquid.
>
> Gloria
>
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Linda Sollberger wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>> I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted
>> anything. My neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats.  Their
>> mother was a stray cat in our neighborhood and had kittens in our
>> garage.  I was just trying to cut a mat out of one of them, just
>> under her front leg, and accidentally cut her skin.  I feel so bad.
>> I've never done that before to any pet.  It bled a little but its
>> just the skin that was cut.  We put some Neosporin on it and a
>> little gauze bandage.  We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the
>> bandage to keep it on so I cut  a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied
>> it on.  I'm just wondering if that's the right thing to do.  Do you
>> think I need to take her to the vet right away or can we just watch
>> it for a few days?  I don't want to stress her by taking her to the
>> vet if I don't have to.   I have 2 cats of my own and have had quite
>> a few vet bills lately too.  I don't need any more but I want to do
>> the right thing too.  How do you treat cuts in a FeLV cat? She's
>> almost 2 years old.
>> I'm becoming quite a worrier.  We have already lost 2 of the kittens
>> we originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can.
>> Originally my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out
>> too late for the first one that that's not the case.  I changed vets
>> and I have someone I can trust now. My heart and prayers go out to
>> all of you who have lost  little ones lately.   I cry ever time I
>> read about them and almost got off the list because it's so painful
>> but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I can.  Thanks
>> for any advice you have.
>>
>> Linda
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[Felvtalk] for Laura and Sharyl

[Laurieskatz]

I am sorry Laura and Sharyl.
It never gets easier

Laura, be gentle with yourself. This is a lot of loss in a short time. 
If your gut tells you to stay home then I think you should.
Please don't be waiting for more bad news or you will surely get it.
Can you perhaps try saying you deserve GOOD NEWS now 

With love,
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Heavens Cried for Max Today

I am so sorry.  I am more sorry then words can describe.  Brillo, Desmond
and Nibbler are there guiding your babies home.  <3  Crystal



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Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 6:29:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Heavens Cried for Max Today

Last night I had the most horrible dream - I suppose because I knew what
would happen today. In my dream I reached out to touch a big purple glass
ball - then it turned around and it was a grinning human skull on a dog's
body. I just knew it was there to take all my cats so I threw a big candle
at it. It said in a mocking voice, "You wouldn't hurt a dog, would you? Not
a dog." Then I picked up a big stick and tried to hit it. It killed all my
cats with the exception of a black and white one & I was very relieved that
I'd managed to save one. Now that's what I call a stress dream.
I don't even know if I'm going to go to work tomorrow. I just want to stay
home and be quiet. Today it was Speckles. Not even 2 weeks ago it was
Bridget, and 5 days before Bridget it was Baby Girl. A few weeks before that
it was Frosty Paws. I'm just waiting for the next bit of bad news.

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Re: [Felvtalk] scissors cut is getting stitched tomorrow

[Laurieskatz]

Thoughts and prayers for Mewey! Good plan. 


-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Linda Sollberger
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] scissors cut is getting stitched tomorrow

This seems kind of trivial but in light of the recent emails I'm a little
scared.  Mewey, our FeLV little girl, who I accidentally cut while digging
out a mat, is getting the cut stitched up tomorrow morning under anesthesia.
I would appreciate your good thoughts and prayers for her. 

My prayers go out to all of you who are hurting and struggling.  You don't
know how much good you have done-really.  The amount of knowledge you all
have is amazing.  All of your kittens are lucky to have spent any time with
you, even if it was short.  I really mean that.  Please don't feel that you
let them down because you didn't.  Thank God they weren't with me!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy - twitching/jerking

[Laurieskatz]

Can't be sure where the calici came from. Can't you bring him inside and put
him in a kennel and cover with a towel?
He obviously needs help and is asking you to help him. Or put him in a car
or garage. I have a friend who takes in kitties who need help and puts them
in a carrier with towel over. Can you get him to a vet tonight or tomorrow?
This cat needs your help. Please let go of your fear and help him.
My cat gets crazy from allergies. It could be an easy treatable thing. I
would not write him off. 
I couldn't stand seeing someone suffering like this. Please help him. Cats
go and hide if they are dying. He is there, begging for your help.
L


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Whimsy - twitching/jerking

My dear Whimsy, little FeLV positive boy, is still in our yard.  You might
recall I was trying to work on bringing him to our sunroom.  He developed a
terrible ringworm (99% sure) which delayed that.  On the day I was to bring
him in for a check up and treatment for ringworm (he used to be feral but
now sits on my lap etc, but still needs sedation at vet) my indoor kitties
had a terrible outbreak of calici, and we are still dealing with it. We have
immune suppressed kitties inside and to protect Whimsy I had to stop
touching him (even w/ my usual gloves).  I know it hurt his feelings but I
still visited him.  He has been energectic, bouncy, hungry, fun, etc. 
Tonight he showed up, won't eat, is twitching, running, then laying down and
twitching and jerking and chewing on his toes.  He is coming up to all our
windows and meowing (he never did that, he still was a bit cagey).  My
boyfriend figured I got the calici from him and brought it in, so I
 can't interact with him. 
 
I keep telling him to hang in there and we'll figure it out we just need
time.  But this twitching? And if he won't eat? Even if I suited up he's not
a cat who can be syringe fed.  I'm not used to considering 'no options'.  Is
this the end?
 
:( Shannon


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Or PS Whimsy - twitching/jerking

[Laurieskatz]

Or if he got into poison of some kind, time is of the essence and could mean
the difference between life and death for this kitty.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] PS Whimsy - twitching/jerking

I should also mention that he seems frantic too, and runs in bursts, jumps
on fences, but nearly falls off.  He's been running in circles in the
yard.   He also just let out a bunch of sneezes.  I hope I didn't give him
what my guys have, this has been a horrible time.
I always touched him w/ gloves, tied my hair back, etc.  
 
Is my only option??I was so hoping we'd have him in during the Summer. 
He's about 1 /12 yrs old. We cannot bring him in, all the extra spots are
quarantined and I won't be allowed and I don't own the house and I
understand wanted to protect the others (who nearly died this week - needed
fluids, temps over 105, and we are still closely watching our FIV/HCM boy
and lupus/HCM boy.  This seems too cruel.  He needs me now to hold him and I
can't.  
 
I assume he will go down hill quickly? I want to know he doesn't get so
confused that he runs off and gets hurt or attacked by a coyote (we had our
first in the yard the other day) 
 
Coming to grips with the fact that this is the first one I can't do
everything for is very difficult.
 
Shannon

--- On Tue, 3/30/10, Emeraldkittee  wrote:


From: Emeraldkittee 
Subject: Whimsy - twitching/jerking
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 5:57 PM







My dear Whimsy, little FeLV positive boy, is still in our yard.  You might
recall I was trying to work on bringing him to our sunroom.  He developed a
terrible ringworm (99% sure) which delayed that.  On the day I was to bring
him in for a check up and treatment for ringworm (he used to be feral but
now sits on my lap etc, but still needs sedation at vet) my indoor kitties
had a terrible outbreak of calici, and we are still dealing with it. We have
immune suppressed kitties inside and to protect Whimsy I had to stop
touching him (even w/ my usual gloves).  I know it hurt his feelings but I
still visited him.  He has been energectic, bouncy, hungry, fun, etc. 
Tonight he showed up, won't eat, is twitching, running, then laying down and
twitching and jerking and chewing on his toes.  He is coming up to all our
windows and meowing (he never did that, he still was a bit cagey).  My
boyfriend figured I got the calici from him and brought it in, so I
 can't interact with him. 
 
I keep telling him to hang in there and we'll figure it out we just need
time.  But this twitching? And if he won't eat? Even if I suited up he's not
a cat who can be syringe fed.  I'm not used to considering 'no options'.  Is
this the end?
 
:( Shannon



  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy has been poisoned...I think

[Laurieskatz]

I found this on search of "twitching anorexic cat".
PLEASE HELP HIM NOW. Please get him safely inside and to a vet asap.
His life depends on your intervention.


Insecticide Toxicity in Cats
Organophosphate and Carbamate Toxicity
 
Areas that are geographically prone to heavy flea and tick infestations tend
to use many different forms of insecticide (e.g., organophosphates and
carbamates). But exposure to insecticides -- especially after heavy or
repeated applications of the chemicals -- may be toxic to cats. 
 
These forms of insecticide poisoning affect both dogs and cats. If you would
like to learn more about how it affects dogs please this page in the PetMD
health library.

Symptoms and Types

Cats exposed to toxic chemicals may not exhibit all of the signs of
poisoning. In fact, sometimes insecticides will cause the opposite of these
symptoms instead, but there will usually be some indication that the cat is
not well. If you suspect that your pet is unwell because of exposure to
insecticides, you will need to remove your cat from the toxic environment,
or cease using the insecticides, and seek medical attention for it before
the condition becomes dire.

The following are some of the symptoms of toxic poisoning:
•Fever
•Vomiting
•Diarrhea
•Anorexia
•Depression
•Seizures
•Muscle tremors
•Hypersalivation
•Constricted pupils
•Increased heart rate
•Lack of coordination (i.e., trouble walking)
•Respiratory failure (e.g., trouble breathing)

Toxic levels of carbamate insecticides like methomyl and carbofuran can
cause seizures and respiratory arrest in your dog. Organophosphate toxicity,
meanwhile, may lead to chronic anorexia, muscle weakness and muscle
twitching which may last for days or even weeks. Someorganophosphate
insecticides commonly used include coumaphos, cyothioate, diazinon,
fampfhur, fention, phosmet, and tetrachlorvinphos.

This same kind of poisoning can occur with agricultural, lawn and garden
insecticide products. Organophosphate types of these products are acephate,
chlorpyrifos, diazinon, disulfoton, fonofos, malathion, parathion and
terbufos. Carbamate types of these products are carbofuran and methomyl.

This same kind of poisoning can occur with agricultural, lawn and garden
insecticide products. Organophosphate types of these products are acephate,
chlorpyrifos (which is especially toxic to cats), diazinon, disulfoton,
fonofos, malathion, parathion and terbufos. Carbamate types of these
products are carbofuran and methomyl.

Organophosphate and carbamate insecticides inhibit cholinesterases and
acetylcholinesterase, essential enzymes in the body. Cholinesterases are
enzymes which break down acetylcholine, which is a neurotransmitter.

Consequently, acetylcholine remains attached to the postsynaptic receptors
of the neurons causing continuous, unending nervous transmission to nervous
tissue, organs and muscles (smooth and skeletal). This causes seizures and
shaking.

 

Causes
Toxicity can occur due to the overuse, misuse, or use of multiple
cholinesterase-inhibiting insecticides; overexposure to insecticides in the
surrounding home environment; the misuse of organophosphate insecticides in
cats (e.g., organophosphate-containing dips labeled for dogs only,
inappropriately applied to cats); or the intentional application of house or
yard insecticides on cats.
 

Diagnosis
If your cat has been diagnosed as having toxic levels of insecticide in its
system, your veterinarian will immediately stabilize and decontaminate your
pet. Your veterinarian will also administer an antidotal treatment to your
cat.
 

You will need to give a thorough history of your cat's health, onset of
symptoms, and possible incidents that might have preceded this condition. If
you know what type of toxin your pet was exposed to, or you have a sample of
it, you should take a sample with you so that your doctor can better treat
the poisoning. Your veterinarian will then send a sample of whole blood to a
laboratory experienced in handling animal samples. A positive result is
confirmed when cholinesterase in the blood is less than 25 percent of normal
levels.
 

Treatment
Depending on how long it has been since your cat ingested the toxin (if
exposure was via ingestion), you veterinarian may induce vomiting for your
pet. Your doctor may also wash out it’s stomach with a tube (lavage), and
then give it activated charcoal to detoxify and neutralize any remaining
insecticide. Antidotal treatments specific to the toxin will also be given
to your pet. Further treatment may include an oxygen cage if your pet is
having trouble breathing, and fluid therapy if your pet has been unable to
drink or is anorexic.

 Cats suffering from seizures will be given anti-seizure medication to stop
the seizures. If exposure to the toxin came through the skin, your
veterinarian will use specialized wash for removing the residue from the
hair and skin of your pet.

 
Living and Management
The sooner your cat is treated after being exposed to 

Re: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV?

[Laurieskatz]

It would be safer for him and any other kitties around if you could keep him
inside full time.
Some of mine were outside full time before I rescued them. They are happy to
be inside and no having to dodge cars and predators.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 6:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV?

does anyone use Revolution for their FeLV babies? I don't like any toxic
chemicals but wonder what the risks vs benefits might be?
 
I've gotten permission to use (try to!) a shed for Whimsy.  I'll put a cage
in there initially, but he very likely will not like being confined all the
time, so therefore will have some outdoor exposure still.  He's had some
flea treatment at his vet visits but would be due again.  He's still
battling ringworm (areas end up healing and new fur grows back) - don't
know if that effects using flea/mite treatment.  The vet has been amazed
he's had no visible fleas or mites but now we are in Spring of course.
 
 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV?

[Laurieskatz]

agree

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 9:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV?

I used Revolution. Of the spot on treatments it is supposed to be the least
toxic. Plus it protects against more tha fleas, ear nites and heartworms.

Sally

Sally


On Fri, Apone \\r 2, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Emeraldkittee  wrote:

> does anyone use Revolution for their FeLV babies? I don't like any toxic
> chemicals but wonder what the risks vs benefits might be?
>
> I've gotten permission to use (try to!) a shed for Whimsy.  I'll put a
cage
> in there initially, but he very likely will not like being confined all
the
> time, so therefore will have some outdoor exposure still.  He's had some
> flea treatment at his vet visits but would be due again.  He's still
> battling ringworm (areas end up healing and new fur grows back) - don't
> know if that effects using flea/mite treatment.  The vet has been amazed
> he's had no visible fleas or mites but now we are in Spring of course.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

[Laurieskatz]

Yes I think the damaging dose is 10mg or more.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

Last report I read on it said all the reported incidents of blindness were 
at dosages in excess of the recommended dosage.  Last hard drive crash took 
a bunch of my saved reports, but I will try to locate that one.

Gary

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

> from what i know, the problems with baytril and blindness generally has
> involved young kittens. baytril is a great drug for certain things, and in
> some cases i know of people who've made the decision to take the risk
> blind is a whole lot better than dead, after all. ask anyone.
>
>
> MC
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] but day 9 of baytril

[Laurieskatz]

But I was told that repeatedly dosing Frankie, even with smaller amounts,
could have caused his blindness.


-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

Last report I read on it said all the reported incidents of blindness were 
at dosages in excess of the recommended dosage.  Last hard drive crash took 
a bunch of my saved reports, but I will try to locate that one.

Gary

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From: "MaryChristine" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:26 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

> from what i know, the problems with baytril and blindness generally has
> involved young kittens. baytril is a great drug for certain things, and in
> some cases i know of people who've made the decision to take the risk
> blind is a whole lot better than dead, after all. ask anyone.
>
>
> MC
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Goodbye sweet Casper

[Laurieskatz]

Thank-you for sharing his last day with us. I wish for you angel wings to
carry Casper to the other side and to hold you tonight and for many
tomorrows without your beloved Casper.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Frank & Sue Koren
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 7:29 PM
To: FeLV talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Goodbye sweet Casper

I am heartbroken to say that this afternoon my sweet Casper lost his battle.
He was one of the most sweet tempered cats I have ever known.  He never ever
bit or clawed anyone in anger, not for any reason. 

 He used to come to bed and make bread in the middle of the night right into
my stomach until I got in the habit of sleeping while holding his paws
gently in my hands. 

 He loved nothing more then to be brushed with an old blue hairbrush.  In
the middle of the night last night I was spending what I was pretty sure was
my last few hours with him brushing him with it.  He was still pushing
against it with the sides of his face and purring.  This morning when I left
for work I told him goodbye and thanked him for coming to live with me and
being such a special kitty.  My mother in law sat with him today and he
passed around 2:30.  She told me the rest of the cats in the house came and
sat in a circle around him, almost like a vigil.  Orlando has slept near him
for the last several days and through the night. 

I hope now Casper is in a place where there is no more feline leukemia and
he can run free and watch the birds and chipmunks all he wants.  Whenever I
lose one of these sweet kitties they take a piece of my heart.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Meows Sanctuary - THANK YOU!

[Laurieskatz]

Thank-you, Georgetta, for sharing this story, for going to the ends of the
earth to help Wisp and Michael for giving Wisp a forever home!
Happy!

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of G Brickey
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:50 PM
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Cc: orphankitt...@yahoogroups.com; feral cats list
Subject: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Meows Sanctuary - THANK YOU!


Hi list,

 

I just saw a post on the FeLV group list where someone was saying how
depressing the posts on the FeLV list could be... I know much of the news
seems to be sad, especially when cats pass on, but I wanted to post my
heartfelt thanks to Michael and his family at Second Chance Meows for
finding a spot in their home for my FeLV+ kitten "Wisp". 

 

He responded to my posted plea a few weeks ago about finding a placement for
my little 6 month old foster tabby girl who had just gotten her FeLV
confirmation - second test.  I was being pressured by other fostering
friends to euthanize her and was resisting since she was currently so
healthy, loving, and playful, except for a tendency toward constipation.  

 

I foster many many neonatal kittens each year for a So. Cal. rescue group,
so it was imperative for the potential wellbeing and lives of so many other
incoming kittens that I find a safe place for Wisp to live so as not
unwittingly endanger my other fosters.  I had her in the best quarantine I
could manage, but everyone knows that kittens are both inquisitive and
ingenious... so I knew it could be a big problem when they got to the
climbing age.  I had contacted a couple of other shelters, but they were
just not a good fit for her for various reasons.  I had just taken in 5
newborn kittens and was getting pretty desperate when I joined this group
and googled for information and discovered Snowball's story.

 

Well, to make a long story short, Michael agreed to take Wisp, and my
husband and I, with Wisp in a large wire crate in the back seat, made the
long trek from Ventura to Reno, via I-5 - about 9 or 10 hours of driving...
some of it behind a snowplow and praying all the time that we could make it
through in our old Subaru... without any snowchains onboard...we eventually
arrived and Wisp received a warm welcome from Michael and his wife and one
of their other FeLV+ cats.  We stayed for over an hour and got to meet
almost all the other kitties (one was a bit shy and out of sight) and see
where Wisp would be living whatever days, months, or years that she will be
allowed by her Creator and of course to talk to Michael and his family and
watch him expertly assess our kitten.

 

I just had a call from Michael and Wisp is having the time of her life.  She
doesn't have the run of the whole home yet, but what she does have even
right now is one heck of a lot better than a 7 by 3 by 2 foot cage on
sawhorses in my livingroom!  Michael told us that the bowel issues are
resolving and she is looking great and acting very happy.  I miss her, but I
KNOW this is the most perfect placement I could have found for her... a
loving home with other FeLV+ cats she can socialize with and someone who is
knowledgeable about FeLV+ and a family that will take care of her for as
long as she lives.

 

Thank you from the bottom of my heart - Michael, Char, and family!

 

Sincerely,

 

Georgetta (with 11 neonatal fosters - gotta go feed!)  bye for now!

 

 
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy

[Laurieskatz]

This sounds very good. Did the vet ever suggest demodex mite as the cause of
the itching and fur loss?
My vet says it's almost impossible to test for ringworm. He doesn't even
test anymore. He tends to treat small patches with human fungal cream and
larger patches with an oral medication.
Whimsy sounds like a survivor! 
Thanks for taking care of him!
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy

Whimsy - (the outdoor, "used to be feral" FeLV little boy who had a scary
jerking/twitching episode a few weeks back you might recall) - had his check
up and everything was normal.  His bloodwork and stool came back normal
too.  His skin has been his only issue - he was bald on the left side, then
the right, now it's down to his tail.  This is the 8th week of this, and I
had figured it was ringworm.  He has no fleas nor mites, and the clinic
didn't think it was ringworm, but of course tested him (it's ongoing, for
those who aren't familiar - they put it in a jar, and see if it grows) It
may have been self limiting and somehow he cleared it.  Or, it could be
severe allergies. He is a long hair (so hard to be an outside baby with long
fur!) and matted so severely in the winter (before I could touch him) that
it's also possible this is why there was hair loss. His itching is severe
but the skin now is normal (used to have lesions) He hates fish oil, I
 was hoping he would take it to soothe the inflamation.
 
My vet was surprised that everything was normal, since his IFA was positive,
too.  Or, can it be that if the immune system is just so out of whack it
can't even register in the bloodwork? His heart/lungs/lymph nodes, etc are
all normal too.  We think he is just under 2 years old.  He lost 7 ounces,
but that was since the neutering in Jan, and could be normal.
 
He's got a set up in the shed, but likes to sleep right on the patio and
back door stoop; I am also showing him the sunroom, and he's slowly checking
it out, so I hope he can stay in there. He's no longer terrified of
ceilings, but only cautious, and is understanding that 'inside is good'. 
Every time I take him to the vet, he gets more loving, like he knows we are
trying to help him.  I guess I will take his results as good news for now,
and try to be as preventative as we can.  
 
thanks for everyone's help.  He's such an adorable character, with a high
pitched meeew and jade green eyes. And he knows his daddy now too, and made
sure he fell in love with him too (he seemed to know that was the ticket to
getting 'in') 
 
Shannon


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Clean-up/Dealing with Virus afterwards?

[Laurieskatz]

I always get a new litter box for a new kitty. Don't want them to smell
another cat.
Same with bed, scratchers, etc. Not because of virus concerns but because of
marking concerns.
If bowls are ceramic, I will use with a new cat. If plastic, I toss them.
L
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Nortina Bell
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 6:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clean-up/Dealing with Virus afterwards?

Everything that I have read here from this group and online indicates that 
the virus cannot live outside of the cat's body for very long at all. 
Personally, I would think that just a good cleaning would be sufficient.

Nortina


- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Reil" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:22 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Clean-up/Dealing with Virus afterwards?


> Hi all,
>
> I had a message earlier this month about the cat we lost to FELV, Stitch. 
> She'd been positive for several years and was the only cat we had.
>
> We're not anywhere near ready emotionally to get another cat yet, and 
> probably won't be for at least a few months, but I do know we will at some

> point so I'd like to see if there's anything special or particular we 
> should be doing now to make sure there aren't any live remnants of the 
> virus around when we do?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] GMA Weekend - Bill hates cats

[Laurieskatz]

Wow. Thanks for this. I will no longer watch, either. We should send emails
to GMA>

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] GMA Weekend - Bill hates cats

You can be certain he wouldn't have said he hated dogs. But it's OK &
acceptable to hate cats. It's funny, when people come to the shelter I
usually ask them whether they're looking for a cat or a dog. I can't tell
you how many times someone has responded, "Dogs. I hate cats." But I've
never heard anyone say, "Cats. I hate dogs."


--- On Sat, 5/1/10, Sharyl  wrote:


From: Sharyl 
Subject: [Felvtalk] GMA Weekend - Bill hates cats
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 9:20 AM


Was watching GMA Weekend this AM.  During a segment on stuff made out of cat
food cans Bill Weir said he hated cats.  Just had to respond to ABC News
with the following post.

Just wanted you to know I will no longer watch GMA Weekends after Bill's
comment today that he hates cats. I don't need to waste my time watching
anyone who hates a living creature. I do not like rats, mosquitoes or
cockroaches but would never say on national TV that I hated them.

I spend my free time involved in cat rescue and TNR of ferals/hard strays. I
do not expect cat friendly stories but I sure did not expect to hear an
anchor say he hated cats. You can be sure I will share Bill's comments with
various on-line cat groups. 
Sharyl Cline
Spay the Shore 
Eastern Shore of VA


      

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hi, I'm new

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My cats were diagnosed at ages 13 and 14. I can't recall why the vet tested
them at that time. They were both at the vet's office so it was likely an
annual check-up. Stripes was sick on and off his entire life. Squeaky was
never sick (except for not feeling well for a few days after his annual
feline leukemia vaccination). I have no idea why the vet continued to
vaccinate him and why I never asked about it. This was over 15 years ago.  

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hi, I'm new

Welcome...there are some very well informed people on this board who will
give you a lot of info.  Being diagnosed at 16 is a bit unusual--was there a
particular reason why the vet checked her?  Has she been ill?  My own
Tucson, was diagnosed at age 4-5 after a few days of not eating like she
usually does & looking real "pale".  

-Original Message-
>From: kia 
>Sent: May 1, 2010 8:13 PM
>To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Hi, I'm new
>
>
>
> Hello all.
>I just joined your group because I found out yesterday that my beloved cat
Kia has leukemia. Kia is my oldest cat, she will be 16 in August, and she is
my favorite one. I know we shouldn't have favorites but Kia is the first cat
my husband and I adopted after we got married. She is a calico who loves to
talk. I am devastated by this news I got from the vet yesterday and I am
hoping you all can help me understand leukemia better and what signs I need
to look for that Kia is getting sicker. 
>By the way, my name is Janet and I'm a life long animal lover. We have 4
cats and a retired racing greyhound that we call our kids. We just lost a
cat back in November, my oldest male cat who was 14. Now I am wondering if
he had leukemia too. 
>Thanks in advance for your advice. I hope to learn a lot here.
>janet
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [Felvtalk] fyi: pet food buyout

[Laurieskatz]

Thanks for this. How unfortunate.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:28 AM
To: FeLVTalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] fyi: pet food buyout

http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/breaking-news-proctor--gamble-purc
hases-natura-pet-products.html

-- 
Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
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Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tommy is gone

[Laurieskatz]

Lisa, I am so sorry. God speed to little Tommy. 
I believe he will be with you in spirita guardian angel.
I wish for you comfort in knowing you did what you could to combat this
disease.
Love is forever.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Borden
Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 8:40 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tommy is gone

Just a note to let you know that Tommy lost his battle with FeLV on Tuesday.
I still cannot believe how quickly it took over, and by Tuesday morning he
was so weak and his eyes were so empty. It was like his soul had left his
little body. He was extremely anemic and his liver enzymes were elevated. I
do know that recently, he had ceased to be happy, and that was really
bothering me. He passed away Tuesday morning in my arms as he got the
medicine that helped him to an eternal sleep.

I want to thank everyone for the information on this list, because even
though I didn't post often I did read the list frequently. I have to believe
that he had a year and a half with me that he might not have had with
someone else.

I will continue to pray for you and your furbabies. May something be
discovered to help these kitties.

Much love,
Lisa
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Sissy to the CLS

[Laurieskatz]

I am so sorry for your loss. So many things we don't understand.
May you and Rocket comfort each other.
God bless you for rescuing, loving and caring for Sissy and Rocket.
Laurie

On 5/9/10, Sharyl  wrote:
>
> Like Tommy my sweet Sissy also passed away Tuesday.  She had a peaceful
> passing at the vets.  She was ready to go.  My dear neighbor drove us so I
> could hold her on the trip.
>
> I rescued her and her sis Rocket from the dumpsters 2 1/2 years ago.
Took
> them to the vet and they tested positive for FeLV.  After getting my house
> cats updated on their FeLV vaccine they were became part of my cat
> family.  They were my 1st FeLV kitties and I have learned so much from
this
> group on how to help them.  Both were active and healthy but Sissy's lymph
> nodes were always enlarged.
>
> Thought we might have made it past those critical points but a couple of
> weeks ago Sissy started the fast FeLV fade.  She was such a loving little
> girl.  She would jump up on the kitchen counter to help me get out her
> Temptation treats.  How she loved them.
>
> I know she had a good 2 1/2 yrs and that consoles me but I sure miss
> her.  Rocket seems to understand and has been giving me extra loving.
> Sharyl
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Boulder/Denver

[Laurieskatz]

I'll ask my brother. He lives in that area.

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Denise Grimm
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Boulder/Denver

Does anyone know of any vets in the Boulder/Denver area or CSU that
specialize in FeLV?  My girl has non regenerative anemia and is on
prednisone and erythropoetin.  Not sure if there are other options.  Not
sure if a bone marrow aspirate is work the stress to her, etc.

Thanks!
Denise
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Re: [Felvtalk] Boulder/Denver

[Laurieskatz]

Denise, here is the information I was given. I will respond again with the
oncology vet name when I have it...
Laurie

>>This is a tough question. I think it really depends on how much she wants
to do for the cat (and also, put the cat through). I went to CSU for Rudy's
knee surgery and they were great. But when I brought Joe there, I felt like
their approach was much too invasive.
 
I know that CSU has a great reputation for cancer treatment, so she might at
least want to check them out. But she should be very specific about what she
does/does not want them to do to her cat or they will do whatever they want.
I have a friend who is a vet at CSU and I'll ask her for a vet referral for
someone in the oncology department there.
 
I really love my vet here in Boulder. Her name is Liv Brockman and she works
at Alpine Hospital for Animals; she's extremely knowledgeable as well as
compassionate. She ended up treating Joe during the course of his illness
and she was really the best vet I've ever worked with.
 
Your friend might also want to check with the owner of PC's Pantry in
Boulder. She (Mary Lee) has taken several of her animals to CSU for cancer
treatment and she probably has some good suggestions.
 
Hope this helps. (And I'll let you know when my friend gets back to me with
a referral at CSU.)
 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Denise Grimm
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Boulder/Denver

Does anyone know of any vets in the Boulder/Denver area or CSU that
specialize in FeLV?  My girl has non regenerative anemia and is on
prednisone and erythropoetin.  Not sure if there are other options.  Not
sure if a bone marrow aspirate is work the stress to her, etc.

Thanks!
Denise
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Re: [Felvtalk] vet-Boulder/Denver

[Laurieskatz]

Denise, here is the follow up email.
Laurie

>>Here's the referral from my friend. One other thing that I thought of re:
CSU is that students often treat animals, under the supervision of a senior
vet. So if your friend doesn't want that, CSU might not be the best option.
At any rate, she might just want to have a consultation with the vet named
below.
 
I hope things work out for her and her cat.
 
I think Mike Lappin would be best, but he travels a lot.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update - happy news

[Laurieskatz]

YAY!! Thanks for sharing. Lucky Whimsy to find you!!!
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 6:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update - happy news

Just wanted to give an update on Whimsy, originally a feral I was going to
TNR.  He went for another visit about 6 weeks ago to the vet and
surprisingly everything was 'perfect'.  I know how things change quickly
with these guys, but it was still a celebration.  Since then, he's been
wayyy more interested in coming in.  He DOES have the sunroom (our others
miss laying about in the rays, but they'll recover) all to himself. (I think
it's great he can feel he's still a part of the outdoors, with all the
windows in there) He comes in before dark and is out in the morning. 
Usually he stays in the yard, his box, or in the sunroom during the day - he
gets really upset if he's locked inside too long, so he's still outside when
he wants for short periods. He mostly sits with us, watches the fish in the
pond, or climbs the large tree.  I have a feeling come fall, he's going to
be strictly inside.  Now, when he wanders a bit, we call him and he's
 within earshot - he comes bounding through the yard like a puppy (don't
tell him I made a canine comparison, please).  So, we have done this at 'his
pace'.   He's become the 'lappiest' cat I have ever had, always wanting to
cuddle.  He truly wants to meet the others inside, and it's so sad to see
him look at the 'real inside' of the house, wanting to come in.  But, he's
got his own toys, scratcher, catnip, etc.  And it's about a year ago I first
saw him - a skittish bundle of black and white, untrusting and scared. 
These guys really teach us to not believe the word impossible, don't they?
 
This group helped sooo much.  So, Whimsy's success is shared by all here.
 
Shannon


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge

[Laurieskatz]

Beth, so sorry to hear about Dante. How wonderful that your group always has
someone with the kitties when they are going to cross. Bless you all. I know
what you mean about not being ready. I always tell myself that the new kitty
needs me. Maybe even that my kitty who passed sent the new one to me to
comfort me.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge

Dear Beth.I'm so sorry Dante has moved on.  We will light a candle for
him tonight in SoCal.   Just a little spot of light to remind him how much
he was loved and will be missed in case he looks over his shoulder.
Blessings to you.   Sara


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Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 2:25 PM
To: FeLV Talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge

My FeLV foster kitty Dante passed over the Rainbow Bridge today. I only had
him a few months, but loved him dearly. He preferred human company over
kitty company, but was tolerant of the other kitties. He was a beautiful
grey boy pulled from Animal Control by the rescue I work with. It will be a
long time before I stop expecting to see him in his bed.
He went downhill fast the last 2 weeks. The X-rays done yesterday indicated
he was full of tumors. Luckily he had the lady who originally pulled him
from AC to be there with him. Our group never lets animals be euthanized
without someone from the shelter being there, for which I am very grateful.
It looks like I will be getting a new FeLV kitty from a friend tonight. Not
sure I'm ready.

Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes

[Laurieskatz]

Bless you for taking in Eva and helping her and her babies.
I hope you can keep Eva?
House of Dreams' website is very impressive!
Did you see there is another FeLV+ cat from CA who needs a ride?
Baxter is in San Luis Obispo,  CA.
God bless you and the family of five.
Eva was hanging around because she knew you would help her.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Colin Starrett
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes

Hi,

I recently took in a stray cat who had been hanging around my apartment,
whom I named Eva.  It turned out she was 3 weeks pregnant when I took her
in.  The vet confirmed the pregnancy at around the 5 week mark, but for
whatever reason didn't test Eva for FeLV or FIV until I brought her and four
kittens in when they were 3 weeks old.  She tested positive for FeLV.  Three
weeks later, all four kittens also tested positive.  They're getting tested
again in three weeks as there's some chance for kittens to convert from
positive to negative, but I am less than hopeful at this point.

Due to the illness, the adopters I had lined up have decided not to adopt.
I am single and live in a 1 BR apartment in Sacramento, CA.  I simply can't
care for five cats, let alone FeLV+ ones.  Fortunately, a shelter in
Portland, OR has agreed to help out if needed.  They're called House of
Dreams and can be found on the web here:
http://kittydreams.typepad.com/house-of-dreams/.  They have a dedicated area
for FeLV+ cats and will attempt to adopt them out to caring homes.

That being said, I would like to see if there are any caring homes willing
to adopt one or more of these cute little guys before I commit them to this
shelter.  If any of you are within a few hours of Sacramento and would like
to adopt, or know someone who does, please get in touch.

Here are some pictures:

The whole gang, about 4 weeks old:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5876/30312101501970372950267.jpg .  From
left to right: Fuzz (male), Doom (male), Kima (female), and Pika (female),
and in back is the mom, Eva.

About 6 weeks old:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6237/28612101502070684200267.jpg
Kima and Pika:
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4325/28612101502070684650267.jpg
Fuzz: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5323/28612101502070684750267.jpg
Doom: http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/904/28612101502070684500267.jpg


Thanks for all your help,

Colin
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Re: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes

[Laurieskatz]

I am glad. For her and for you.
L
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Colin Starrett
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes

Yes, I intend to keep Eva.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2010, at 6:39 PM, "Laurieskatz"   
wrote:

> Bless you for taking in Eva and helping her and her babies.
> I hope you can keep Eva?
> House of Dreams' website is very impressive!
> Did you see there is another FeLV+ cat from CA who needs a ride?
> Baxter is in San Luis Obispo,  CA.
> God bless you and the family of five.
> Eva was hanging around because she knew you would help her.
> L
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Colin  
> Starrett
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:15 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes
>
> Hi,
>
> I recently took in a stray cat who had been hanging around my  
> apartment,
> whom I named Eva.  It turned out she was 3 weeks pregnant when I  
> took her
> in.  The vet confirmed the pregnancy at around the 5 week mark, but  
> for
> whatever reason didn't test Eva for FeLV or FIV until I brought her  
> and four
> kittens in when they were 3 weeks old.  She tested positive for  
> FeLV.  Three
> weeks later, all four kittens also tested positive.  They're getting  
> tested
> again in three weeks as there's some chance for kittens to convert  
> from
> positive to negative, but I am less than hopeful at this point.
>
> Due to the illness, the adopters I had lined up have decided not to  
> adopt.
> I am single and live in a 1 BR apartment in Sacramento, CA.  I  
> simply can't
> care for five cats, let alone FeLV+ ones.  Fortunately, a shelter in
> Portland, OR has agreed to help out if needed.  They're called House  
> of
> Dreams and can be found on the web here:
> http://kittydreams.typepad.com/house-of-dreams/.  They have a  
> dedicated area
> for FeLV+ cats and will attempt to adopt them out to caring homes.
>
> That being said, I would like to see if there are any caring homes  
> willing
> to adopt one or more of these cute little guys before I commit them  
> to this
> shelter.  If any of you are within a few hours of Sacramento and  
> would like
> to adopt, or know someone who does, please get in touch.
>
> Here are some pictures:
>
> The whole gang, about 4 weeks old:
> http://img514.imageshack.us/ 
> img514/5876/30312101501970372950267.jpg .  From
> left to right: Fuzz (male), Doom (male), Kima (female), and Pika  
> (female),
> and in back is the mom, Eva.
>
> About 6 weeks old:
> http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6237/28612101502070684200267.jpg
> Kima and Pika:
> http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4325/28612101502070684650267.jpg
> Fuzz: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5323/28612101502070684750267.jpg
> Doom: http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/904/28612101502070684500267.jpg
>
>
> Thanks for all your help,
>
> Colin
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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: blind deaf cat

[Laurieskatz]

Gloria,
I hope you will consider keeping him as he will do much better in a private
home than a sanctuary.
I have a blind cat and am going to take in a deaf cat so have been doing
lots of research.
He would be fine in one room of your house. He will learn his way around
that room and feel safe.

At first Frankie (who lost his vision at age 9) got upset when he would run
into the other cats unexpectedly. He is much better about it now (3 1/2
years later and he is doing great). Once the other cats know a cat is
disabled they may pick on him and attack him. I don't think a group of cats
is the right thing for this boy. The vet told me Frankie would be at the
bottom of the totem pole once the other cats knew he was blind. He isn't but
he does stay to himself more than he used to. He does have run of the house
- he did before he lost his vision.

Frankie was a feral 5 month old kitten when I took him in. I could not hold
or touch him. With work I was able to touch him but not hold him or pick him
up. Then I had to start treating him for asthma and we both learned a lot
about going slow and trust. After he lost he sight he LOVES touch. I suspect
this kitty will love touch once he is familiar with his surroundings. Smell
is important and probably heightened. He may smell the other cats and be
overwhelmed and afraid right now. All he has is smell and touch. Wonderful
food will be a pleasure. Also you might rub your own scent on a towel and
give it to him to comfort him. Even better if you could get something from
his previous owner to give him.

Info I found on deaf cats:
http://www.ehow.com/how_2108978_happily-communicate-deaf-cat.html

If you are willing and able to keep this boy, you have a wonderful
opportunity to learn so much and to help others in the future. Not to
mention, enhance his life and let him live with grace and peace.

Thanks for helping him!
Laurie




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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 8:11 AM
To: Feline Leukemia
Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: blind deaf cat

I just took in a blind-deaf cat, was one of 25 or so in a lady's  
house.  The lady became disabled, developed dementia, and our rescue  
took some of her cats.  This one first was taken to the city animal  
services, developed a URI, got about over it, was altered, tested and  
shots, and we pulled him.

He (?) was transferred to a different cage, then to my carrier, then  
to my home and a large cage.   He's not too friendly, although I can  
at times pet him on the head and scratch his ears.  We think it's just  
because of the changes in his life, that he just doesn't know what's  
going on and if he needs to defend himself.  I haven't had a blind or  
deaf cat before.

Does anyone know of a rescue that will take a blind-deaf cat?  I found  
one in North Carolina, but I'm in Arkansas.

Thanks very much,

Gloria

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: blind deaf cat INFO

[Laurieskatz]

http://www.messybeast.com/disabled.htm#deaf
GREAT info here on: blind cats, deaf cats and deaf-blind cats
BLIND CATS
Cats that keep bumping into things either can't co-ordinate their limbs or
can't see. A blind eye is often cloudy or the pupil remains dilated even in
bright light. Some cats are born without eyes (anopthalmia) or with very
small eyes (micropthalmia) which may not function. Others lose their sight
either permanently or temporarily as a result of illness, physical injury,
brain damage or poisoning (including extreme reaction to anaesthesia) and
conditions such as glaucoma, cataracts or scarring caused by untreated
entropion (inturned eyelashes). 

The degree of blindness varies from total blindness to partial blindness
(cloudy sight, ability to differentiate between light and shade, tunnel
vision) in much the same way that human blindness varies. Usually the loss
of sight is gradual and the cat compensates gradually so that you don't even
realise how bad its sight is. Sometimes illness or injury necessitates the
removal of one or both eyes. Sudden blindness is more noticeable because the
cat is disoriented, hesitant when walking, bumps into things and may
vocalize more often (some cats appear to listen for sound echoes).

Where a cat becomes suddenly blind it may develop unusual behaviours until
it learns to adapt. It may be unwilling to leave its sleeping area and may
develop inappropriate toilet habits because it is unable to find the litter
tray. It will be reluctant to go outdoors to toilet. It may appear withdrawn
and call out (when disoriented or in need of reassurance).

To test your cat's vision, cover each eye in turn and see if its other eye
can follow a moving finger or responds to a finger moving towards the
uncovered eye. You can also test its response to a torch (flashlight) being
flashed on and off in the direction of the eye, but this is not 100%
accurate since blindness is not always seated in the eyeball itself - the
pupil may respond to light, but the normal 'vision signals' are not
correctly processed by the brain. 

A cat blind in one eye may lash out in self-defence at sudden movements on
its blind side. A cat with unilateral blindness may turn its head more often
in order to compensate for the reduced field of vision. It may also have
problems with depth perception since it has lost the stereoscopic area of
vision - one-eyed cats often take several 'sightings' of a chair (etc)
before jumping onto it, but quickly memorize the heights of such objects for
future reference. Fully blind cats may clamber onto things rather than jump,
but many also memorize heights and distances which is why furniture should
not be rearranged and obstructions should not be left on the floor when
there is a blind cat in the house.

A blind cat is easily disoriented and should not be allowed to roam; indoors
only or indoors with access to a fenced pen or garden is best. It may enjoy
supervised forays in the garden using a harness and lead. Make sure it is
wearing a collar stating its address and disability in case it escapes. If
it is allowed to roam freely and is chased by another animal it may become
lost or run into the path of traffic. Because it relies so much on
scent/sound, a lost blind cat will probably be unable to find its way home
once it is beyond its normal territory.

Blind cats rely on scent and memory to find their way around so keep
furniture in the same place and don't leave obstacles in unexpected places
where he could walk into them. If he is prone to bumping into furniture, try
padding table legs and chair legs with old pillows or some foam to reduce
impact damage. While most blind cats soon memorize routes and distances, not
all manage this feat and rely on 'bumping into' their signposts.

Whiskers become more important to blind cats to judge the cat's proximity to
an object. This means they are subjected to more wear and tear than normal
and can be broken or even worn down!

Sound is also important to a blind cat. Noisy toys such as balls with bells
in, a noisy paper sack or a scrunched up paper ball will provide
stimulation. Many blind cats learn how dribble scrunched paper balls or
jingly toys. According to Dean, his 2 year old born-blind domestic longhair
can actually locate crumpled paper by listening for it to un-crumple a
little and retrieves toys to play with. She also catches flies, runs around
the house at speed based on her memory of obstacles, pounces on other cats
by listening to their footsteps and uses her very long whiskers and ear hair
as sensors, possibly also sensing changes in air pressure with them. She
also walks with her tail tip touching the ground as an additional sense
organ. 

Carrying a blind cat around can disorient it so if you must move it, place
it somewhere it knows well such as its feeding or sleeping area so that it
can easily get its bearings. Don't move its litter tray or feeding areas
around, it needs to find them easily by memory or us

Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat

[Laurieskatz]

Someone surveyed the group about a year ago and quite a few people do
co-mingle. Maybe you can check archives on co-mingling if you want to see
that information.

Because the FeLV+ cat has a compromised immune system, it is important to
protect that cat from anything contagious going on with the other cats (eg
URI).
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
brooklynnat...@charter.net
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: dlg...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat

My vet totally discourages putting them together.  He said there is too much
risk.  I have 7 other cats that are all healthy and I would love to be able
to have them all be together but I'm afraid.  I wouldn't want the healthy
ones to get sick.  I would feel so responsible.
 dlg...@windstream.net wrote: 
> Theresa, if you felv kitty is lonely, ask your vet about mixing him with
your other cats.  my veet said that as long as hey are up on their shots, it
is okay and mine have been mixed for 2 years now with no problems.  sure
does make everyone happier.
>  brooklynnat...@charter.net wrote: 
> > I live in Black Mountain NC and would be more than happy to give him a
home.  
> > I'm really not too familiar with how things are done here but I have a
male that 
> > I rescued from outside that has feline leukemia and I keep him separated
from my 
> > other cats.  I'm sure he would be happy for the company.  Let me know if
you 
> > think it might work. 
> > 
> > Theresa Palumbo
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Re: [Felvtalk] Losses

[Laurieskatz]

Lorrie, I am sorry to hear Beezer has moved on. He is lucky he found you and
it sounds like you were lucky, too.
When you can, I would love to hear the story behind his name - it's a great
name that I cannot say without a smile.
God bless you and God speed Beezer boy.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Losses

Thank you Sharyl. This morning I had to take my old sweetie to 
the vet to be put to sleep.  He was 17 years old and had been 
dealing with kidney failure for over a year. As all of us know,
making the decision to put a pet to sleep is one of the most
difficult decisions we ever have to make, but my wonderful vet
helped me decide when he said keeping an old terminally ill cat
alive is more for the owner than for the cat, who has no quality
of life left.

Beezer was a stray when I rescued him in 1993 and he had a long
happy life, as an indoor/outdoor cat who had the best of both worlds.
Losing a special pet is always terribly hard, but I sincerely believe 
we will meet again at the rainbow bridge.

Lorrie

On 06-12, Sharyl wrote:

> Lorrie, I understand what you are going through with your CRF
> kitty.  It seems if a kitty lives long enough he develops CRF. 
> That is a tough chronic disease to manage.  I found lots of info
> and help at www.felineCRF.org   Hugs to your sweetie. Sharyl
> 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

[Laurieskatz]

Check out myonecrosis. Coco (FeLV-) had this. Her back legs were weak and
she was having trouble eating (tongue issues). There are several causes -
one was toxoplasmosis, one was that she had gotten into some toxins and the
third was nutritional. They attributed hers to a lack of Vitamin D,
Selenium. I was pouring her dry Wellness food into Tupperware containers. I
was told that allows too much oxygen to get to the food and it depletes the
food of those nutrients. We switched to canned and she survived. Another cat
taken to the ER that same day with her same symptoms, but more advanced, was
not so lucky.
Laurie

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Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

Amy did they check Wolfie's potassium level?  Low K can cause back leg
weakness.  
Sharyl

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Amy  wrote:

> From: Amy 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 10:22 PM
> Just wondering what sort of
> experience people have had with leuk positive cats getting
> weak in the back legs.  My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has
> been positive since we rescued him 6 years ago.  He's
> been pretty healthy other than the last year or so. 
> Last September he was diagnosed with non-regenerative anemia
> but has been fairly stable since then.  I recently took
> him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak in his hind
> legs, walking differently and avoiding putting weight on
> them for long periods of time.  His HCT is down, WBC
> and RBC are a bit lower than usual.  Chemistry looks
> ok.  
> 
> I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever saw one
> with leg issues.  She woke up one morning and had lost
> all use of her back legs, no warning.  This is
> different from that situation and just wondering what could
> be going on.  We did an ultrasound today.  No sign
> of lymphoma or anything pressing on the spine.  No real
> loss of muscle mass on physical exam.  We are putting
> him on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the
> anemia.  The specialist at Cornell mentioned it could
> be something with the leukemia affecting the muscle or
> nerves directly but she couldn't find any literature on
> this.  I told her I'd post here and see if anybody has
> had a similar experience or has anything to add on what
> could be going on.
> 
> Thanks
> Amy
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

[Laurieskatz]

Ps Coco was diagnosed with myonecrosis via muscle biopsy.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

Hind leg weakness seems to come up somewhat frequently on the CRF group,
this website has a great index of symptoms & treatments A-Z,
http://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms_treatments_index.htm see W for "weakness
in back legs" and several things are listed, though I think most are things
that would have showed in the chemistry.   We had a feral kitty who was
paralyzed in her rear legs due to a lesion on her spine, but sounds like
you've covered that with the ultrasound (as much as it can be "covered"
anyway).   Do they think throwing a clot is a possibility?

I hope you can figure out the cause, others might have some good input.

Love & good thoughts to Wolfie!

Heather

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Amy  wrote:

> Just wondering what sort of experience people have had with leuk positive
> cats getting weak in the back legs.  My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has been
> positive since we rescued him 6 years ago.  He's been pretty healthy other
> than the last year or so.  Last September he was diagnosed with
> non-regenerative anemia but has been fairly stable since then.  I recently
> took him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak in his hind legs,
> walking differently and avoiding putting weight on them for long periods
of
> time.  His HCT is down, WBC and RBC are a bit lower than usual.  Chemistry
> looks ok.
>
> I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever saw one with leg
> issues.  She woke up one morning and had lost all use of her back legs, no
> warning.  This is different from that situation and just wondering what
> could be going on.  We did an ultrasound today.  No sign of lymphoma or
> anything pressing on the spine.  No real loss of muscle mass on physical
> exam.  We are putting him on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the
> anemia.  The specialist at Cornell mentioned it could be something with
the
> leukemia affecting the muscle or nerves directly but she couldn't find any
> literature on this.  I told her I'd post here and see if anybody has had a
> similar experience or has anything to add on what could be going on.
>
> Thanks
> Amy
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs (and nodding/bobbing head)

[Laurieskatz]

Coco's myonecrosis could only be diagnosed by muscle biopsies sent to Texas
or California (I forget which) - it's a specialized process.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs (and nodding/bobbing head)


I, too have a FeLV+ cat that has been extremely healthy for her entire life
(10+ years) and just recently started limping (favoring her right hind leg)
and at times I would see her head bob or nod (it appears involuntary) --
took her to vet and of course she refused to walk, just crouched down and
wouldn't move (she is a shy kitty).  We ran complete blood panels to check
for neuropathy, diabetes, etc., and the blood work indicated she was in
excellent health as usual!  But, she keeps limping and bobbing/nodding.  So
I am taking her back now for xrays, and whatever.  So I am particularly
interested in what others have found out -- I will keep folks posted on what
I find out about Vixen (my cat), too.



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>From: Laurieskatz 
>Sent: Jun 24, 2010 11:19 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs
>
>Ps Coco was diagnosed with myonecrosis via muscle biopsy.
>L
>
>-Original Message-
>From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
>Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:09 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs
>
>Hind leg weakness seems to come up somewhat frequently on the CRF group,
>this website has a great index of symptoms & treatments A-Z,
>http://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms_treatments_index.htm see W for "weakness
>in back legs" and several things are listed, though I think most are things
>that would have showed in the chemistry.   We had a feral kitty who was
>paralyzed in her rear legs due to a lesion on her spine, but sounds like
>you've covered that with the ultrasound (as much as it can be "covered"
>anyway).   Do they think throwing a clot is a possibility?
>
>I hope you can figure out the cause, others might have some good input.
>
>Love & good thoughts to Wolfie!
>
>Heather
>
>On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Amy  wrote:
>
>> Just wondering what sort of experience people have had with leuk positive
>> cats getting weak in the back legs.  My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has been
>> positive since we rescued him 6 years ago.  He's been pretty healthy
other
>> than the last year or so.  Last September he was diagnosed with
>> non-regenerative anemia but has been fairly stable since then.  I
recently
>> took him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak in his hind legs,
>> walking differently and avoiding putting weight on them for long periods
>of
>> time.  His HCT is down, WBC and RBC are a bit lower than usual.
Chemistry
>> looks ok.
>>
>> I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever saw one with leg
>> issues.  She woke up one morning and had lost all use of her back legs,
no
>> warning.  This is different from that situation and just wondering what
>> could be going on.  We did an ultrasound today.  No sign of lymphoma or
>> anything pressing on the spine.  No real loss of muscle mass on physical
>> exam.  We are putting him on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the
>> anemia.  The specialist at Cornell mentioned it could be something with
>the
>> leukemia affecting the muscle or nerves directly but she couldn't find
any
>> literature on this.  I told her I'd post here and see if anybody has had
a
>> similar experience or has anything to add on what could be going on.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Amy
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used?

[Laurieskatz]

 

From: Carmen Conklin [mailto:cwshel...@wildblue.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:57 PM
To: Laurieskatz
Subject: felvgroup

 

Hi, I can't seem to be able to email into the felv group today-could you ask
them a question regarding the Re: weakness in hind legs thing??

I want to know if they had used Revolution on any of the cats that had that
weakness in hind legs problem... Thanks, Carmen

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Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update

[Laurieskatz]

I have been told it is the best of the parasite treatmentsL

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Amy
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used? and update

E:  Revolution question - what is the latest on it?  my pride is on it since
i live on a bluff over the river and we have a general mosquito problem in
our area.  vet says they don't have to go out to be bitten, mosquitos can
come in house.  we also have a heart worm problem in our area and since
Revolution counters that , he says should use it.  OPINIONS PLEASE>
 Amy  wrote: 
> I have not used Revolution on Wolfie.  
> 
> Wolfie is still acting himself, is eating fine but he is definitely
getting weaker in the back legs.  It's really hard to see because I don't
think things are going to get better.  He has food and litter on the main
floor but is still choosing to do stairs (making me a nervous wreck).  He's
starting to have a tough time with the kitchen floor (linoleum) so I'm
putting carpets down to help.  Wish I could do something more for him but I
always feel that way when my leuk positives start going downhill.  I hate
this disease.  
> 
> Looking for opinions here.  Wolfie's calcium was 11.6 when the blood work
was done.  Normal is 8.2-11.5.  The vet at Cornell wants me to draw another
sample to check his active or ionized calcium to see if his Calcium is
actually high.  Would you put your cat through this if your gut is that he
doesn't have long?  I asked what we would do if it's high.  She said we'd
look at all causes and rule them out and if none of those applied, we'd
alter his diet to try bringing it down.  He's anemic and having trouble with
his legs.  Would you pursue something like this or let him be in peace?
> 
> Amy
> 
> --- On Sun, 6/27/10, Laurieskatz  wrote:
> 
> > From: Laurieskatz 
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used?
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Cc: "'Carmen Conklin'" 
> > Date: Sunday, June 27, 2010, 2:06 PM
> >  
> > 
> > From: Carmen Conklin [mailto:cwshel...@wildblue.net]
> > 
> > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:57 PM
> > To: Laurieskatz
> > Subject: felvgroup
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Hi, I can't seem to be able to email into the felv group
> > today-could you ask
> > them a question regarding the Re: weakness in hind legs
> > thing??
> > 
> > I want to know if they had used Revolution on any of the
> > cats that had that
> > weakness in hind legs problem... Thanks, Carmen
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

[Laurieskatz]

What kind of insurance? Just property protection or is it liability?
Do they understand what FeLV is?
Do you have visitors? I wonder if they think it is contagious to humans.
Maybe ask them the reason and then send factual info or a vet letter to
them.
Can you find an attorney to help you pro bono if needed?
This is ludicrous.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

I haven't heard of any insurances that accept cats with "pre-existing
conditions"!  I have two FeLV+ cats andf 5 FIV+ cats at our place.  Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marnie Miszewski
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

I know there are others on here who have FELV shelters and I'm wondering who
you have for insurance providers.

I keep getting turned down for insurance because I have FELV positive cats
at my facility. Those cats are the reason I started the shelter and I'm not
letting them go.

PLEASE HELP! I need insurance and I don't know where to turn.

 

Thanks

Marnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie and weakness in hind legs

[Laurieskatz]

Jenny, thank-you for this very helpful information. We are certainly
fortunate to have you here! 
Thanks for the time you took to research this!
Laurie

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a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 3:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Wolfie and weakness in hind legs

I did a little research on neurologic disorders in felv cats.  I found a
nice article written on 2002 describing about 20 felv cats with neurologic
symptoms and the necropsy reports.  Most of the cats did not have any
tumors.  Basically what they found was axonal and myelin degeneration (the
neurons and their surrounding sheath were degenerated).  The areas that were
most strongly affected could be seen without a microscope as plagues in the
spinal cord.  They stained these cells with a stain that highlights the
presence of a specific felv protein - the cells were filled with it.  This
suggests that the virus infects neurons and destroys them.  This results in
progressively declining neurologic function.

Here's the website to the article:
www.drjaymcdonnell.com/refId,26240/refDownload.pml

Hope this helps.

Jenny
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Re: [Felvtalk] going off-list for awhile

[Laurieskatz]

We will miss you. 
Please take care of yourself.
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:33 PM
To: FeLVTalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] going off-list for awhile

you know where to find me if there is need.

MC


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Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

[Laurieskatz]

>From a vet to whom I sent the warning:
"Fort Dodge is notorious for questionable vaccine products. I will not use
them - too many problems with them over the years".

L


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

I'm so glad that all are OK!  I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all
vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according to
my vet.
I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they
being vaccinated?  Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a colony
or adopted and allowed outside?  Cats were tested, were negative, then
retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing
something here. Sorry - Natalie
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

I work with Furkids. My best friend & her family stayed there until 1am
giving fluids & taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties.
What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were
retested.

Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie  wrote:

From: Natalie 
Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM

PLEASE CROSS POST

Forwarded Message:

Received this warning from Furkids Rescue:

 

Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM

 

Dear Colleagues,

Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that
we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their
animals.

On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine
(167346B, exp. 2/20/11).

ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the
vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency
(one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl.
Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we
have never seen anything like this. 

Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort
Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in
case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep
and return them immediately.



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Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

[Laurieskatz]

I think they do test positive after being vaccinated.

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a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

These were healthy cats who were to be going to Petsmart locations or to be
adopted from our cage-free shelter. We vaccinate all cats being put up for
adoption.
Beth
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--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie  wrote:

From: Natalie 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:03 AM

I'm so glad that all are OK!  I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all
vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according to
my vet.
I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they
being vaccinated?  Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a colony
or adopted and allowed outside?  Cats were tested, were negative, then
retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing
something here. Sorry - Natalie
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

I work with Furkids. My best friend & her family stayed there until 1am
giving fluids & taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties.
What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were
retested.

Beth
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--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie  wrote:

From: Natalie 
Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM

PLEASE CROSS POST

Forwarded Message:

Received this warning from Furkids Rescue:

 

Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM

 

Dear Colleagues,

Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that
we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their
animals.

On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine
(167346B, exp. 2/20/11).

ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the
vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency
(one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl.
Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we
have never seen anything like this. 

Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort
Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in
case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep
and return them immediately.



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Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

[Laurieskatz]

Oh. Okay. Thanks, Gary.

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a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

No, not when vaccinated for Feline Leukemia, the one that causes positive 
tests after vaccination is for FIV.  I have never heard of a cat testing 
positive for Feline Leukemia because it was vaccinated for it.

Gary

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From: "Laurieskatz" 
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:08 AM
To: 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

> I think they do test positive after being vaccinated.
>
> "Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being 
> of
> a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared 
> to
> the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin
> Luther King, Jr.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:05 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
>
> These were healthy cats who were to be going to Petsmart locations or to 
> be
> adopted from our cage-free shelter. We vaccinate all cats being put up for
> adoption.
> Beth
> Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

[Laurieskatz]

I am curious about vaccinating them. I usually leave that up to the
adopter...my vet recommends agst the vaccine unless the cat is going to go
outside. I have not vaccinated my last cat and won't vaccinate the one I am
bringing home today.
My others were vaccinated several times before I discontinued FeLV
vaccinations. I test twice before introducing them and that makes me
comfortable with introducing them. (Mine are all negative - things might be
different if I had a FeLV positive living here).

"Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 2:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

Really...I got blasted for it by some very fair & trusted people!  Be
interested in hearing what happens with this, first and foremost, hope the
cats recover well.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Laurieskatz  wrote:

> >From a vet to whom I sent the warning:
> "Fort Dodge is notorious for questionable vaccine products. I will not use
> them - too many problems with them over the years".
>
> L
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:03 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
>
> I'm so glad that all are OK!  I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all
> vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according
> to
> my vet.
> I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they
> being vaccinated?  Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a
colony
> or adopted and allowed outside?  Cats were tested, were negative, then
> retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing
> something here. Sorry - Natalie
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
>
> I work with Furkids. My best friend & her family stayed there until 1am
> giving fluids & taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties.
> What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were
> retested.
>
> Beth
> Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/>
>
> --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie  wrote:
>
> From: Natalie 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM
>
> PLEASE CROSS POST
>
> Forwarded Message:
>
> Received this warning from Furkids Rescue:
>
>
>
> Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM
>
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that
> we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to
> their
> animals.
>
> On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine
> (167346B, exp. 2/20/11).
>
> ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the
> vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency
> (one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl.
> Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we
> have never seen anything like this.
>
> Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort
> Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine
> in
> case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep
> and return them immediately.
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] 2009 revised vaccination guidelines for cats and dogs

[Laurieskatz]

Yes, please. thank-you~

 

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a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.

 

From: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:12 AM
To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; hurricanep...@yahoogroups.com;
fivca...@yahoogroups.com; FeLVTalk;
special-needs-pets-supp...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] 2009 revised vaccination guidelines for cats and
dogs

 

  

don't want to duplicate stuff, but if you HAVEN'T seen them, let me know and
i'll put up the link.



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Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)



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Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

[Laurieskatz]

Coco had Mynecrosis that the vets attributed to a nutritional deficiency
after ruling out toxo and another cause.
I was emptying an entire bag of dry Wellness into a Tupperware container.
The thought was the oxygen rush depleted the food of Vitamin D/Selenium.
Laurie

"Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

Hi Tracy,

Thanks for writing.  Sorry to hear about your cat.  I certainly understand
you being bummed out.  I don't think I could be more bummed out over all
this.  Any info is helpful to me at this point and I'm very grateful to be
part of this list.  Please keep me posted on what you find out about the
FIP.  

I did come across FIP in my research on what could be causing Wolfie's leg
problems.  He has seen multiple vets so I guess I just assumed somebody
would have picked up on that if he was showing any symptoms.  I'll
definitely bring it up though.  I'm waiting to hear back from Cornell to see
if I should take him there again.

Amy

--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Tracy Weese  wrote:

> From: Tracy Weese 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 5:40 PM
> I remember when you posted initially
> -- I responded that I, too, had a cat that began
> experiencing rear leg weakness and then some head
> tremors.  Her blood work (a reg health screen) was
> great (but for FeLV) so they sent her home and said watch
> her and see if it gets better, worse, etc.  Well, it
> never got better so I took her in for xrays and the vet then
> said that toxoplasmosis was a possiblity and one other thing
> (crypto??) and so we ran specific tests for that -- the
> xrays showed no tumors or lesions.
> 
> The test results said NO toxo or "crypto", but it did show
> corona virus and so now folks are thinking FIP (dry). 
> They are running a blood serum test now and then once I have
> those results will decide whether there is any need to
> explore further.
> 
> My vet thinks it really must be FIP bec. of the FeLV status
> and the neuro symptoms and the fact that the xrays were good
> and the other blood tests were negative -- even though it is
> sometimes hard to diagnoses FIP.  So, I am really
> bummed out and don't mean to bum you out, but did not know
> if you explored this or not.  Right now my cat is
> eating well but still has that rear leg weakness and some
> head tremors -- although they "seem" a little less (this
> could be wishful thinking on my part).  When she came
> home from the xrays and while we were waiting on the toxo
> results, the vet started her on clindamyacin which I
> finished giving her this week.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Lorrie 
> >Sent: Jul 23, 2010 5:23 PM
> >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
> >
> >Amy, I've had several FelV cats with back leg problems,
> and 
> >they seem to know when it's time to stop climbing
> stairs or
> >trying to jump up on things.  I'd let him do what
> he thinks
> >he is up to doing. To restrict him would stress him,
> and 
> >this is always bad for FelV cats.
> >
> >Lorrie
> > 
> >
> >On 07-23, Amy wrote:
> >
> >> Wondering if people would offer an opinion. 
> My cat, Wolfie, has
> >> rear leg weakness that is getting progressively
> worse.  He's been
> >> seen by numerous vets and it's not going to get
> any better.  I'm
> >> guessing the leukemia is finally getting the best
> of him.
> >> 
> >> Anyway, I'm just wondering how much I should let
> him do.  Initially
> >>  my vet said not to restrict him, that
> letting him use the muscles
> >>  was good for them.  He is now starting
> to stumble or sit more
> >>  often.  He doesn't totally fall over or
> anything, just gets a bit
> >>  wobbly or sits down.  If he's on
> linoleum, he has much less
> >>  control of his legs.  He is still
> jumping up and down on my bed,
> >>  eating, purring, laying on my chest, going
> up and down stairs,
> >>  etc.  I don't want him to get hurt and
> him doing the stairs makes
> >>  me so nervous.  On the other hand, I
> don't want to restrict him
> >>  out of fear.  I talked to the
> receptionist at the vet and she said
> >>  if it was her cat, the stairs would be off
> limits.  This will be
> >>  so tough because I have 3 other cats, 1 very
> shy one that hides in
> >>  the basement and only comes out when my son
> is sleeping.  I would
> >>  have to force her to stay in the basement or
> out of the basement
> >>  (as opposed to having access to the cat door
> in the basement
> >>  door).  The 

Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

[Laurieskatz]

Yes. I changed her to canned Wellness and she is a happy healthy 14 year
old, 6 years later! She is not FeLV+. 
They had to take muscle biopsies and sent them off to a clinic in Dallas or
something.
This is not something many vets can biopsy, I guess.
I took her to Iowa State University Vet School in Ames, IA. Your vet could
call them.
We dealt with the neurologist.


"Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

Laurie

I remember you mentioning Coco having this and did add it to my list of
possible causes.  Was the problem able to be resolved?




  

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[Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources?

[Laurieskatz]

Does anyone know anyone in the Ft. Worth Texas area who might be able to
suggest resources to a woman feeding some cats?It sounds like there is a
male who shows up every couple years with a new mom and kittens in tow.
Sounds like they need vetting (altering at a minimum) and possibly placement
assistance? She is leaving the country for the month of September. SIGH.I am
in Iowa. 
Thanks for any ideas. 
Laurie

"Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way." ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.




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