Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats
Beth, Not from me they won't. Hope you emailed him and made that offer as I expect he left the list after being attacked like that? Too bad, this list didn't used to be so judgmental. Not sure what has happened over the years. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Perhaps he could have been educated, perhaps not, but going for the jugular immediately is going to put anyone on the defensive. On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Susan Saunders a4kat...@yahoo.com wrote: He needs to contact Bengal Rescue and see if they will take the cat. *From:* Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Monday, May 28, 2012 5:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats I offered to take the cat, but anyone who mentions breeding is going to get a lecture. No apologies. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: You know, I do rescue too, but I seriously doubt attacking this man for breeding cats is going to help this female FELV+ bengal. I doubt he's on this list anymore (I would not be) and I'm not sure how this is helping the cat, and isn't she what is important here? Couldn't someone have steered him to some resources that would have helped the cat instead of attacking him? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: I also rescue, and it is terribly upseting to me when people breed cats. There are already too many homeless cats and kittens out there! My heart aches for that poor Bengal male who spends his life in a cage just so his owner can make money from him. I hope he is neutered and allowed to live his life as it should be lived. As for the FelV female Bengal. Please have her spayed and let her be adopted by someone who will be happy to have her as a pet and won't give a damn about making money from her!! Lorrie On 05-27, Lee Evans wrote: This is for Charles Adams: Unfortunately, you are beginning to learn by your mistake that breeding animals, whether cats, dogs, birds or any other species can be more costly than it's worth. You state that you don't want a pet cat and never did. I am assuming that the Bengal you have is just a potential source of money and that's what you had in mind in the first place. Your poor cat is definitely not happy without being able to breed. He won't be happy ever because he will have to be caged and bred many times in his life before he is of no more use in breeding. Right now, if you are really ethical and want to do best by your male cat, you should get him neutered and sell him as a pet quality Bengal. Papers or not, he's a living being with feelings just like you and I have. As for the little female, she needs to be retested. She also needs to be spayed. If she still tests positive for FeLv, you need to find a rescue that will take her. Or advertise for an adopter who wants to have her as an only cat or companion to a small dog. You can charge an adoption fee. I noticed that your email address is Texas Gold Buyers. I assume that you buy gold and re-sell it. That's a good business to be in. Please stay out of the animal breeding business from now on and stick to gold, silver and any other inanimate objects that people will purchase. Good luck to you and the cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec
[Felvtalk] OT - Aimees Law
Hi all, I know many of you are concerned with over vaccination of healthy animals. Aimee's law seeks to provide medical exemptions for rabies vaccines to animals who are unwell. Please like and share. https://www.facebook.com/aimeeslaw -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Idexx combo tests
Yes, they now make triple tests (heartworm/FIV?FELV) which are less accurate. Apparently their patent ran out. On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter has been told Idexx has stopped making combo tests indefinitely. Has anyone else in rescue heard this? Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Idexx combo tests
The patent ran out so i assumed others were producing them more cheaply but I don't know. That's what happens with human medications... On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh ok. Yes we used those when they 1st came out. They were inaccurate so we stopped using them. So I guess there is no alternative any more? Beth Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, they now make triple tests (heartworm/FIV?FELV) which are less accurate. Apparently their patent ran out. On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Our shelter has been told Idexx has stopped making combo tests indefinitely. Has anyone else in rescue heard this? Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool
Czadna, Beth is right, there is a great Yahoo group for cats with heart murmurs. The url is http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ You really do need to have an echo done by a feline cardiologist. They can usually be found at the ag college in your state. Now, as far as the heart meds interacting with the leukemia meds, I don't know - you might have to have both vets talk. Anyway, that group was immensely helpful to me when my MIssy was diagnosed with a heart murmur. Good luck, Kelley and Missy On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: Heart murmurs can get worse with time. They might not require meds at first but may later. Usually they have you go for an echocardiogram. My cat was on 5 pills per day. I believe there is a Yahoo group for cats with this condition. They may be more helpful than this list. Beth czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote: There is always so much going on with us and our beloveds plus comings leavings. I hesitate to interrupt but this is important to me - - to us. Pookashay was diagnosed with heart murmur in May 2010. Nothing was said re: need for med. Different vet listened to in spring 2011. Nothing was said re: murmur. Now same vet hears and wants to put on meds; wants work-up. In what circumstances would you put on meds? Meaow is cat abandoned at TS which had abscess under jaw in October. had treated; then neutered about 2 weeks later. now has intermittent fresh blood in stool. stools are small dark. no problems before. vet found no coccidia or worms in stool sample. again vet wants to put on meds. feed canned food. he wants to own me but keep caged in bedroom because SPCA accepted him for their waiting list. fe leukemia cats are in main part of small apartment. comments? he is negative; has been vaccinated. a fighter biter who is also very sweet. finally, Yahmuna is FIV cat which came to my door very, very sick last Thanksgiving. SPCA accepted her in July for adoption center placement. went to see her yesterday. very, very congested. on antibiotics. she is their cat now. HOW CAN I HELP HER? thank you. czadna, Mama Scrumptious Luscious and Pookashay Shallie Marie Harold James (and Meaow and Piedy Sven and Hope Rasha Boo and Lila Bea - all on SPCA waiting list) m ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary
Those medicines are prescription...even the Ringers:( On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Christiane jus posted a Facebook URL about Aslanscats FeLV Cat Sanctuary** ** Because our felvtalk cannot accept more than 20KB in a MAILING, I WILL POST SOMETHING IN SEVERAL PARTS! I FEEL THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THIS GROUP IN THE FUTURE, TOO! *They need to replace all of these lost items, if anyone is in this are:* 10 50lb bags of dry food 15 litter boxes 30 cases of canned food 20 cat beds cat trees and condos scratching posts She lost $3000 worth of medicines for the cats and now needs: Lactated ringers solution, prozymes, Pen-g solution, baytril, doxycycline, panacur, stongid, clavamox, lysine, mega C, 1cc and 3cc syringes, 18 gauge needles and 21 gauge needles TOWELS Please go to www.aslanscats.org Or send donations to: Aslans cats, 486 west main street, Catskill, NY 12414. Please make checks payable to: aslans cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary
Whoops...panacur strongid lysine mega c syringes are not. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Those medicines are prescription...even the Ringers:( On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Christiane jus posted a Facebook URL about Aslanscats FeLV Cat Sanctuary* *** Because our felvtalk cannot accept more than 20KB in a MAILING, I WILL POST SOMETHING IN SEVERAL PARTS! I FEEL THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THIS GROUP IN THE FUTURE, TOO! *They need to replace all of these lost items, if anyone is in this are:* 10 50lb bags of dry food 15 litter boxes 30 cases of canned food 20 cat beds cat trees and condos scratching posts She lost $3000 worth of medicines for the cats and now needs: Lactated ringers solution, prozymes, Pen-g solution, baytril, doxycycline, panacur, stongid, clavamox, lysine, mega C, 1cc and 3cc syringes, 18 gauge needles and 21 gauge needles TOWELS Please go to www.aslanscats.org Or send donations to: Aslans cats, 486 west main street, Catskill, NY 12414. Please make checks payable to: aslans cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Aslans FeLV cat sanctuary
Also they should contact Petcothey give disaster grants On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Whoops...panacur strongid lysine mega c syringes are not. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.comwrote: Those medicines are prescription...even the Ringers:( On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Christiane jus posted a Facebook URL about Aslanscats FeLV Cat Sanctuary Because our felvtalk cannot accept more than 20KB in a MAILING, I WILL POST SOMETHING IN SEVERAL PARTS! I FEEL THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO USE THIS GROUP IN THE FUTURE, TOO! *They need to replace all of these lost items, if anyone is in this are: * 10 50lb bags of dry food 15 litter boxes 30 cases of canned food 20 cat beds cat trees and condos scratching posts She lost $3000 worth of medicines for the cats and now needs: Lactated ringers solution, prozymes, Pen-g solution, baytril, doxycycline, panacur, stongid, clavamox, lysine, mega C, 1cc and 3cc syringes, 18 gauge needles and 21 gauge needles TOWELS Please go to www.aslanscats.org Or send donations to: Aslans cats, 486 west main street, Catskill, NY 12414. Please make checks payable to: aslans cats. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
Can't stand Best Friends but this is a site they are involved with that has some good information: http://www.2ndchance4pets.org/index.html -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
His feeder is devastated. I am sure she blames herself for not taking him to the vet sooner. Thanks very much to those of you who offered him sanctuary. I can always depend on this list for help. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Black Tom Update
Black Tom, the cat for whom I was trying to find placement, now has 3 offers (thank you ALL who offered). Unfortunately he is not in a state yet where he can travel, and I don't know if he will be. I called the vet Saturday, and he was eating all his food, drinking and eliminating normally, which are all good signs, but they had not repeated bloodwork in a while to see what that is doing. When he was brought in, he had a rbc of *7%*. At any rate, he has been at the vets now for 2 weeks. I don't think the person who was feeding him (he was in a feral colony, but not feral) has a lot of money, so I wanted to see if we could start a fund to help defray his costs. I could start a chipin, or give you the vet's name and address if you would like to donate directly. If he makes it and the bill is covered completely, the remainder could go to the sanctuary who takes him as a donation, or if he does not make it any extra money could be returned or go to help other cats in need. I think he will be at the vet's office for at least several more weeks. Let me know what you think. Thank you all so much for being a GREAT FELV resource. I have been here for years now and yall have come through EVERY TIME I needed a placement for an FELV cat. You ROCK! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!** ** ** ** There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture! ** ** I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats). ** ** There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors ** ** Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without you. I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves TO DEATH. I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine. I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer. I have seen cats who have been declawed do absolutely fine. It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes. I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed. I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds. At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I went into a nursing home. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote *The Cat that Cried for Help, *after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors ** ** Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!** ** There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX
That's why I'm here begging...I have bought him til Monday and this whole thing is really tearing up the feeder. She cries every time she goes to the vet. If worst comes to worst I will go with her Monday to have him pts. Lets not make me have to do that! On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Can’t someone foster the cat – all they would need is some extra space in a garage, basement, bathroom….until a home could be found! Surely, there must be someone…… ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 5:32 PM *To:* felvtalk *Cc:* teeja...@sbcglobal.net *Subject:* [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX ** ** Hey folks, got an emergency with a possible FELV+ cat in Austin, Texas. He's had one snap test (and that's with the felv/fiv/heartworm test, which we know there are a lot of false +s with). There is no one to hold him for a confirmatory IFA. Someone wrote me asking for help, this is her description of him: He is slated to be euthanized at 5pm today. This boy is very affectionate, loving to be held, petted, scratched, etc. He was even purring while being petted at the counter at the vet's office with all the strange scents and animal noises going on! He's pretty sick at the moment. Vet says he's extremely anemic. That's why he hasn't been eating much. And the heat has exacerbated the problem since he's been an outdoor cat. Vet also says the condition is treatable, but the treatment makes him very infectious. So what he needs is an indoor home either in a one-cat household or in a house where all the cats are feline leukemia positive. It's breaking my heart because he's such a sweetie. I'm hoping to find someone who can provide a home for this baby so he won't have to be euthanized. I've asked for pics etc I also asked for an extra day which is hopefully being negotiated. I know someone on this list has room for a wonderful survivor of this horrible Texas heat and drought. I've gotten some wonderful kitties placed as a result of this list (just ask their moms) so am hoping we can pull a rabbit out of a hat one more time! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. ** ** - Nathan Winograd ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX
There are many, many rescue groups around Austin, but none who will take an FELV+ cat. I have always used this list for placement in the past and always gotten lucky.:) On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Aren’t there any rescue groups around Austin area? No kind person to temporarily foster this poor cat? I’m keeping my fingers crossed – good luck! ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 3:22 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX ** ** That's why I'm here begging...I have bought him til Monday and this whole thing is really tearing up the feeder. She cries every time she goes to the vet. If worst comes to worst I will go with her Monday to have him pts. Lets not make me have to do that! On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Can’t someone foster the cat – all they would need is some extra space in a garage, basement, bathroom….until a home could be found! Surely, there must be someone…… *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 5:32 PM *To:* felvtalk *Cc:* teeja...@sbcglobal.net *Subject:* [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX Hey folks, got an emergency with a possible FELV+ cat in Austin, Texas. He's had one snap test (and that's with the felv/fiv/heartworm test, which we know there are a lot of false +s with). There is no one to hold him for a confirmatory IFA. Someone wrote me asking for help, this is her description of him: He is slated to be euthanized at 5pm today. This boy is very affectionate, loving to be held, petted, scratched, etc. He was even purring while being petted at the counter at the vet's office with all the strange scents and animal noises going on! He's pretty sick at the moment. Vet says he's extremely anemic. That's why he hasn't been eating much. And the heat has exacerbated the problem since he's been an outdoor cat. Vet also says the condition is treatable, but the treatment makes him very infectious. So what he needs is an indoor home either in a one-cat household or in a house where all the cats are feline leukemia positive. It's breaking my heart because he's such a sweetie. I'm hoping to find someone who can provide a home for this baby so he won't have to be euthanized. I've asked for pics etc I also asked for an extra day which is hopefully being negotiated. I know someone on this list has room for a wonderful survivor of this horrible Texas heat and drought. I've gotten some wonderful kitties placed as a result of this list (just ask their moms) so am hoping we can pull a rabbit out of a hat one more time! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. ** ** - Nathan Winograd ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX
I can't even get anyone to hold on to a healthy kitten temporarily - all my favors are called in long ago, and I've even having problems placing barn cats. . We could start treatment, but this lady gets more attached to this cat by the day and it really is not fair to her (or the cat) to put him through treatment and then have him PTS. We have an FELV sanctuary, but unfortunately they only take in cats when there is money to be made off them. We did ship a cat to Best Friends once, but they do not always have room either. Like I said, this list has always been my go-to resource for FELV cats and I have found placement for every single one in the past. It is possible he has a false positive, but as he is anemic and sick, I'm leaning towards true +. Unfortunately as I said there is no one to hold him for 6 weeks and if we put him back outside he will be dead in 6 weeks. On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Kelley, do you have any personal friends whom you might call on for a big favor? Are there any FeLV groups that could be called on, not necessarily in Austin, but in the area? It’s such a shame, because this cat may just have had a false positive….. ** ** *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 10:15 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX ** ** There are many, many rescue groups around Austin, but none who will take an FELV+ cat. I have always used this list for placement in the past and always gotten lucky.:) On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 7:47 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Aren’t there any rescue groups around Austin area? No kind person to temporarily foster this poor cat? I’m keeping my fingers crossed – good luck! *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 3:22 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX That's why I'm here begging...I have bought him til Monday and this whole thing is really tearing up the feeder. She cries every time she goes to the vet. If worst comes to worst I will go with her Monday to have him pts. Lets not make me have to do that! On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Can’t someone foster the cat – all they would need is some extra space in a garage, basement, bathroom….until a home could be found! Surely, there must be someone…… *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kelley Saveika *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 5:32 PM *To:* felvtalk *Cc:* teeja...@sbcglobal.net *Subject:* [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX Hey folks, got an emergency with a possible FELV+ cat in Austin, Texas. He's had one snap test (and that's with the felv/fiv/heartworm test, which we know there are a lot of false +s with). There is no one to hold him for a confirmatory IFA. Someone wrote me asking for help, this is her description of him: He is slated to be euthanized at 5pm today. This boy is very affectionate, loving to be held, petted, scratched, etc. He was even purring while being petted at the counter at the vet's office with all the strange scents and animal noises going on! He's pretty sick at the moment. Vet says he's extremely anemic. That's why he hasn't been eating much. And the heat has exacerbated the problem since he's been an outdoor cat. Vet also says the condition is treatable, but the treatment makes him very infectious. So what he needs is an indoor home either in a one-cat household or in a house where all the cats are feline leukemia positive. It's breaking my heart because he's such a sweetie. I'm hoping to find someone who can provide a home for this baby so he won't have to be euthanized. I've asked for pics etc I also asked for an extra day which is hopefully being negotiated. I know someone on this list has room for a wonderful survivor of this horrible Texas heat and drought. I've gotten some wonderful kitties placed as a result of this list (just ask their moms) so am hoping we can pull a rabbit out of a hat one more time! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX
In the end it doesn't matter, we will not have time to find out if I don't find placement by tomorrow. On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote: Yup sounds weird, I'm curious too. Sounds like maybe he's getting sick and anemic from the FELV, but you never know, could just have something simple. Gloria On Aug 21, 2011, at 4:59 AM, gary wrote: Kelly, Please contact me off list about this kitty. I would love to know exactly what condition is treatable and what treatment would make him very infectious beyond being as infectious as he is now. g Gary *From:* Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2011 4:31 PM *To:* felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Cc:* teeja...@sbcglobal.net *Subject:* [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX Hey folks, got an emergency with a possible FELV+ cat in Austin, Texas. He's had one snap test (and that's with the felv/fiv/heartworm test, which we know there are a lot of false +s with). There is no one to hold him for a confirmatory IFA. Someone wrote me asking for help, this is her description of him: He is slated to be euthanized at 5pm today. This boy is very affectionate, loving to be held, petted, scratched, etc. He was even purring while being petted at the counter at the vet's office with all the strange scents and animal noises going on! He's pretty sick at the moment. Vet says he's extremely anemic. That's why he hasn't been eating much. And the heat has exacerbated the problem since he's been an outdoor cat. Vet also says the condition is treatable, but the treatment makes him very infectious. So what he needs is an indoor home either in a one-cat household or in a house where all the cats are feline leukemia positive. It's breaking my heart because he's such a sweetie. I'm hoping to find someone who can provide a home for this baby so he won't have to be euthanized. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX
I am not putting down sanctuaries or your sanctuary. I know Crash's Landing and you, among others, do wonderful work. This particular person brings in tens of thousands of dollars in donations and she does it, in MY opinion, in an underhanded way. This is a person who has done very bad things to me, which I will not go into, which of course colors my opinion of her. By the way, are you willing to take him?:) On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote: Kelly, I can understand the second test and yea you need to wait that time. Im sorry that you cant find anyone in your area to hold the cat for the 6 weeks but please DON'T try and put down sanctuaries. We like any rescue look for donations and the good will of people to help us help the animals. Yes almost all sanctuaries that take an animal for life ask for fees( some more than others) but your talking the care and vetting for what could be 10 or so years and with FeLV that can get really expensive. I wish you the best of luck in finding a foster for him, and i pray that he is - so he can be adopted. Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary -- Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. ** ** - Nathan Winograd ** ** ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX
Hey folks, got an emergency with a possible FELV+ cat in Austin, Texas. He's had one snap test (and that's with the felv/fiv/heartworm test, which we know there are a lot of false +s with). There is no one to hold him for a confirmatory IFA. Someone wrote me asking for help, this is her description of him: He is slated to be euthanized at 5pm today. This boy is very affectionate, loving to be held, petted, scratched, etc. He was even purring while being petted at the counter at the vet's office with all the strange scents and animal noises going on! He's pretty sick at the moment. Vet says he's extremely anemic. That's why he hasn't been eating much. And the heat has exacerbated the problem since he's been an outdoor cat. Vet also says the condition is treatable, but the treatment makes him very infectious. So what he needs is an indoor home either in a one-cat household or in a house where all the cats are feline leukemia positive. It's breaking my heart because he's such a sweetie. I'm hoping to find someone who can provide a home for this baby so he won't have to be euthanized. I've asked for pics etc I also asked for an extra day which is hopefully being negotiated. I know someone on this list has room for a wonderful survivor of this horrible Texas heat and drought. I've gotten some wonderful kitties placed as a result of this list (just ask their moms) so am hoping we can pull a rabbit out of a hat one more time! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+ Emergency in Austin, TX
Hey all, I was unable to get a picture - this is what the finder said: Argh! I went down to the vet immediately after getting your email to take a picture. The camera looked like it was working, but when i got home the directory was corrupted and the pictures unreadable. He is almost solid black. There's a tiny white patch on his chest. He has green eyes, short hair, and is medium sized for a tomcat. He is extremely thin. There are big hollows behind his rib cage. And it seems a little uncomfortable for him when I run my hand down over his bony hips. I got him to the vet because he looked like he was starving to death in spite of the dry and wet food I was providing. And honestly, he was. I spent about half an hour visiting with the cat. He is about 100% better after 2 days in the a/c eating Fancy Feast. When I brought him to the vet, his meows were barely audible and he did not twitch his tail. His eyes were full of wet matter and he wasn't grooming. Today he seems like he may be a bit of a talker. When I spoke to him, he often replied. His tail was very communicative. While his eyes are still a little runny, he was cleaning his face and keeping the mess to a minimum. And while he wasn't unnecessarily vocal, if I got up to leave before he was done being petted, he was most vociferous. :) Cheered my heart to see the improvement. Also, I witnessed him grooming. He did seem to get a bit tired after 20 minutes or so and was content to just sit beside me and stretch out. The vet agreed to keep him one more night. They close at noon tomorrow. Hopefully we can find him a home before then. Thank you all for your help. Come on guys, I know someone wants a scrappy tomcat who's down on his luck - remember he may not even be FELV+! (probably with the anemia he is, but we don't know for sure!) I can transport or meet in the middle if a reasonable driving range from TX. If not maybe we can set up a transport, but someone's got to step forward for him. On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Hey folks, got an emergency with a possible FELV+ cat in Austin, Texas. He's had one snap test (and that's with the felv/fiv/heartworm test, which we know there are a lot of false +s with). There is no one to hold him for a confirmatory IFA. Someone wrote me asking for help, this is her description of him: He is slated to be euthanized at 5pm today. This boy is very affectionate, loving to be held, petted, scratched, etc. He was even purring while being petted at the counter at the vet's office with all the strange scents and animal noises going on! He's pretty sick at the moment. Vet says he's extremely anemic. That's why he hasn't been eating much. And the heat has exacerbated the problem since he's been an outdoor cat. Vet also says the condition is treatable, but the treatment makes him very infectious. So what he needs is an indoor home either in a one-cat household or in a house where all the cats are feline leukemia positive. It's breaking my heart because he's such a sweetie. I'm hoping to find someone who can provide a home for this baby so he won't have to be euthanized. I've asked for pics etc I also asked for an extra day which is hopefully being negotiated. I know someone on this list has room for a wonderful survivor of this horrible Texas heat and drought. I've gotten some wonderful kitties placed as a result of this list (just ask their moms) so am hoping we can pull a rabbit out of a hat one more time! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
Alley Cat Allies recommends not testing for a couple of reasons. Their reasoning can be found here. http://www.alleycat.org/Page.aspx?pid=458 We follow their recommendations. If a cat is a friendly stray in a feral colony, we test - always test before adoption. If they are pos we wait then retest with IFA. One of our cats was adopted to a lovely lady on this list - she was double pos (we confirmed the FELV with IFA) and she's still doing well several years later. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Many TNR don't test, unless a cat looks really sick, too sick to be released into a colony. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question But, it costsmoney. I can see they reasoning , in a way. Shelters usually operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals fed and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple of hamburgers and get them tested. Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the cat instead of testing them. Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals. Apparently it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats from getting exposed to FeLV. I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading. Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in case =^_^= On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I think I would definitely get Peaches tested. If all your cats are indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV. Only if there's a chance they could get it. But if you're not letting them out and you're not fostering other cats then there's no risk of exposure to the virus so no real need for a vaccination. If all your other cats have been tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination either. So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really don't need to worry about Nibbles. It's totally up to you though. Just my thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up to speed. And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over again if you decide to get him current like Lynda said. Thanks for giving Peaches a home. And kick that other lady in the butt for kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby. Maureen sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant apartment. Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat. They took Peaches to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed. I don't know why the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first. They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore. That's how Peaches came to live here. I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and give Nibbles vaccinations. I'll let you know what the vet says. Thanks for all your help!! It has been hard to get information about what to do. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be effective. It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would. I would keep her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she has had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all current! Your a good momma to be cautious. I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on this forum, but we are not experts :) Keep us posted. Thanks, L - Original Message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4 cats. Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations. I have not introduced new cat
Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
We just spent $270 getting TWO cats ready for adoption, which for us includes combo test, FELV vaccine, FVRCP vaccine, rabies, microchip, exam - and our vet is cut rate. One needs a dental which will cost more. We will adopt them out for $75 each. That is a lot more than fried chicken and a couple of hamburgers. I have spent thousands of dollars of my personal money when the rescue had none. That doesn't include, of course, any sick cats we take in. That is just for the basic adoption workup (except for the dental). On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 12:35 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: But, it costsmoney. I can see they reasoning , in a way. Shelters usually operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals fed and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple of hamburgers and get them tested. Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the cat instead of testing them. Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals. Apparently it costs too much - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats from getting exposed to FeLV. I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading. Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in case =^_^= On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com molvey...@hotmail.com wrote: I think I would definitely get Peaches tested. If all your cats are indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV. Only if there's a chance they could get it. But if you're not letting them out and you're not fostering other cats then there's no risk of exposure to the virus so no real need for a vaccination. If all your other cats have been tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination either. So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really don't need to worry about Nibbles. It's totally up to you though. Just my thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up to speed. And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over again if you decide to get him current like Lynda said. Thanks for giving Peaches a home. And kick that other lady in the butt for kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby. Maureen sent from my ATT Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant apartment. Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat. They took Peaches to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed. I don't know why the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first. They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore. That's how Peaches came to live here. I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and give Nibbles vaccinations. I'll let you know what the vet says. Thanks for all your help!! It has been hard to get information about what to do. On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be effective. It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would. I would keep her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she has had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all current! Your a good momma to be cautious. I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on this forum, but we are not experts :) Keep us posted. Thanks, L - Original Message - From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4 cats. Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations. I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to make sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm. Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there. Here's the situation: *Peaches* (New Cat) Age: 4.5
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.netwrote: Kudos to her :) - Original Message - From: D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __**- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! __**_ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/**mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_** felineleukemia.orghttp://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/**obidos/redirect-home?tag=**rescuties-20http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/**rescuties* http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/**rescutieshttp://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper!
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up.Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: Lets spay and neuter the people.Phoenix is GIVING away cats and dogs this weekend because they have so many in their shelterOne woman broght in 8 dogs.. --- On Fri, 8/5/11, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote: From: Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2011, 10:57 AM That's a shame. I know when my husband attended UT, we wanted a cat or a kitten for a companion for me. It was so hard to find any!! They went like hotcakes, I guess b/c it's a college town. We eventually found one who happened to be orange white :) This woman could have found it a home, but it must have cramped her style. I agree with you, she should be spayed and be banned forever from having any other pets as well. It's obvious her fiancé has no heart, she should have tossed him out instead!! If he has no feelings for helpless animals, then how will he treat her? Geez! - Original Message - From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I DO tend to be judgmental when I get the I met a man and need to dump my cat because he has a dog/kids/hates cats . . . email. As a matter of fact, got one the other day. Woman in Austin threw her 14 year old declawed cat outside in this heat because her fiance is allergic AND then to add insult to injury, she posted the cat for FREE on Craigslist. Yep, those are the types of people that I have no use for and personally, I feel they should be spayed/neutered. Are all people like that? Absolutely not. Are too many people like that? you bet your boots. Sad, but true :( From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:48:17 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! In all honesty, I have found MANY people in rescue to be horribly cruel and judgmental - towards OTHER PEOPLE, particularly other people in rescue. Rescue is a cutthroat business and not for the faint of heart. There's always someone ready to kick you when you're down, say you are not doing something right because you aren't doing what they would do, etc etc etc. I've seen rescue groups purposely try to run other rescue groups out of rescue. (This is not directed towards anyone here, just what I think whenever I see an I hate people thread.) In contrast, MOST of my adopters have been lovely people. We did have a couple who moved to NYC and had a baby who was allergic to the cats (and you can ask all the questions on a form you want, when it comes down to it you don't know what people will do) and they bothered to contact us instead of sending the cats off to the pound. We made arrangements for them to be picked up (they paid half) and delivered back to us safely. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: On 08-04, Natalie wrote: I hate people (except us)do you know how cowardly and cruel people are? They bring their cats/dogs to surrender at a shelter and claim that they are strays...a 14-yr old cat was just brought to a NY shelter, healthy but with a slight sniffle - how can anyone do that? What kind of horrible race are we? Baby comes, cat or dog get tossed out; a dog comes, the cat is abandoned...it's a throw-away-society! __- Natalie, How well I understand what you are saying. Because of my rescue work I've begun to hate most people too. I've rescued cats all my life, and I've seen this over and over again. People think nothing of abandoning their old, pregnant or unwanted cats. I am ashamed to say I'm a member of the human race! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
I do rescue and have for years, and the people who have been by far the nastiest to me, have been OTHER RESCUERS.We recently had a cat in our program who was being advertised on Craigslist because she kept peeing outside the box. Everyone CANNOT keep a cat that keeps peeing outside the box. Everyone is not like us. Yes, they tried different diets, tests for uri, tests for kidney function, different litters and different litter boxes. Nothing worked. The original rescue refused to take the cat back, kept flagging the CL ads - AND SAID TO HAVE THE CAT PUT DOWN BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS A CAT WHO PEES ON THE FLOOR. These people loved the cat and did not want to take her to a shelter. I stepped in and lent them a condo to keep her in so she wouldn't mess the floor while I went so far as to track down the original breeder of the cat (in California) . However we were lucky enough to find a foster in Dallas who specializes in cats with pee problems who took her in. I have had a cat returned twice now who pees outside the box, again the adopters have tried EVERYTHING and really wanted to keep her. I have seen people in my area spend FIVE YEARS spending much of their time running a rescue out of business instead of saving lives because they did not like the way they did rescue. Now there is another large rescue people hate because they do not like the way they do rescue and instead of saving animals actually go around to the various adoption sites pretending to be potential adopters and grilling the volunteers. I am so sick of rescue attitudes I could just scream. Some of the nastiest, vilest people I have ever met have been in rescue - and to be fair some of the kindest as well. Cruelty to humans is still cruelty. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: This is STILL a kind, supportive group, but those of us who rescue see too much neglect and cruelty to look at the world thru rose colored glasses. While it is true that not all people are irresponsible and uncaring, we see entirely too many people who consider animals as disposable things. Lorrie On 08-05, Kelley Saveika wrote: Wow, this used to be a really kind, supportive, positive list. It makes me sad to see that it doesn't seem to be any more. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to fend for themselves! Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this time. There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal. My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat food is do you have cable TV? The response has often been Yes, butI need it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People!
Yes, I am. When I originally came to this list, it was because I had a kitten who tested light pos (I have since learned there is no such thing) and SR was giving me no support whatsoever so I came here for support instead. Everyone here wanted to know who the rescue was but I didn't tell them because I think telling names of rescues is tacky. Everyone here was also incredibly supportive when the horror that was visited on myself and my personal and rescued cats came. I have been really glad to have this list over the years. I love doing rescue but I've learned that other rescuers tend to be cutthroat and just plain mean to other people. I think if we were all nicer to other people and to animals this world would be a much better place. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Kelley, Are you the same Kelley from Austin who used to work with Siamese Rescue? From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:29:20 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! I don't ask them if they have cable TV. I just give them food. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: We are all supportive of anyone who rescues, deals with unwanted and/or sick cats, fills their homes with discarded animals! I cannot tolerate people who are hypocritical about animals; pretending to love them, and then give them up at the drop of a hat even if it means abandoning them outside to fend for themselves! Here's one I just got this alert; perfect example: Subject: DECLAWED CAT---2 YRS OLD A rescue friend told me that the place in Queens where she buys her pet supplies found a cat left in a carrier outside his door this AM. She is about 2 years old, extremely friendly, seems healthy and is DECLAWED. Her coat is a luxurious shiny black. He is calling her Sophia. She has to stay in a cage until he finds her a home. If you know anyone who might like to help this baby, please call or text 917 689 8414 No pic available at this time. There are other ways of dealing with not being able to care for your animal. My husband and I supply a woman with cat food and litter for her 3 cats because she can't afford it, or else we would have to take her cats into our home. My question to someone who claims that they have no money to buy cat food is do you have cable TV? The response has often been Yes, butI need it. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! Unfortunately, as has been proven by a few cruelty cases here in Texas, giving away pets on Craigslist is a recipe for disaster. Case in point (no, I will not post the article here) but there was a man in San Antonio who appeared to be loving and caring, he adopted three free cats from CL and all there of their lives ended in a horrible fashion. I have been in rescue for over 15 years, I have seen what lies beneath the and I have seen what unimaginable cruelty people are capable of. Sorry to get off topic here with these posts and I know that many of you are not in rescue but what has been seen cannot be unseen and what I now know can never be forgotten. As to Nathan Winograd, my only objection to his book is him saying there is no pet overpopulation problem. I have a house full of cats that prove otherwise. Anyone who has TNR'd a feral colony would argue otherwise and I have one cat in my house that I have marketed the cr*p out of but I have not gotten one hit on her. There IS a pet overpopulation problem and no-kill begins with NO BIRTH. Okay, I will get off my soapbox now. Again, my apologies for getting off topic. Edna Taylor Texas Siamese Rescue From: moonv...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:59:04 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] No Good Rotten People! According to studies, giving away cats and dogs does not make the person value them any less. I paid $5 for my Missy and she is priceless - there is not enough money in the world to make me give her up. Giving away cats and dogs, when followup and education can be done, is a great way to find homes for more animals. Have you ever read Revolution by Nathan Winograd? It talks a lot about this stuff. I'm a pretty strong no-kill advocate. On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 1:17 PM, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT - Please help Ivana
Hi Guys, Sorry for the off topic, but I am hoping some of you as cat lovers will be interested in Ivana's story (and her owners). Ivana somehow got outside (it has happened or will happen to most of us) and her owner dedicated himself to looking for her. He found out she had gotten taken to a shelter (I don't know why anyone would take an obviously immaculately cared for Persian to a shelter to begin with but that is a different story) and he did not find out she was there until she had been given to an unnamed rescue group. The owner has offered to pay any vetting bills plus Ivana's adoption fee, submit to a home inspection, sign a contract, etc. An attorney experienced in rescue has stepped up to mediate the situation but whichever rescue group has her still will not admit to it. This man really wants his cat back. Also she is on medication and a special raw food diet, which she may or may not be getting. Please network this poor gentleman's web page http://www.letmykittygo.com For those who might think it is a scam, there are several people with whom you can verify, including Ivana's vet of the past TWELVE years and a representative of Briland Pottcats. My heart is breaking for this man and I don't know why a rescue would act this way. It gives us all a bad name. Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
Hi Cathy, I feel your pain - when my Missy was diagnosed with severe congenital heart disease, I thought I would die. But they all die of something, unfortunately, and I think the special health kitties are the most special in other ways. We have a wonderful lady on this list who volunteers in an FELV sanctuary. Maybe she can give you some advice. I would definitely change vets - we adopted out a double pos (FIV+ and FELV+) to a lady in Waco about 2 years ago and she is going strong. I would get a confirmatory IFA test. I would get my other cat tested and vaccinated. You may want to separate them. Some do and some don't. I would not put her to sleep because she may be carrying a virus that may make her sick someday. Even the feral cat people are getting away from PTS based on the result of a test. Love and light, Kelley On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 3:40 PM, ckess...@cox.net wrote: I am new the site and I am just crushed. I have never had cats before and I adopted a shelter kitten from Petco in Plano, Texas. She had Ringworm to start with and she was tiny, but she was playful and is as sweet as can be. We live in Downtown Dallas so she sits in the window of our high-rise and overlooks the skyline. Last week, she became very lethargic and on Friday, I became worried so I took her to the emergency room. She's always been little, but playful and happy until last week. They did a Feline Leukemia test and it was positive. The only thing I had ever heard about Feline Leukemia before Friday night was that all cats who get it - die. Cali is only 7 months old and I can't stop crying. I just moved to Dallas last July. I have always had Dachshunds but I didn't think that dogs should be in apartments, so I got Cali. Then I didn't want Cali to be by herself, so I got another shelter kitty from the Petco in Bedford, (named Sasha) and she is very healthy. The emergency room vet and the Vet that I took Cali to have both told me that I need to put Cali to sleep so that Sasha won't get sick and Cali won't get better so she should be put down. For all of you out there, please say a prayer for me and Cali. She is a Blue Cream Tabby, she weighs 5 pounds and she has been a real fighter. I don't know how I will find the strength to put her to sleep. She is so little. I want her to get better. I can't stop crying. Cathy Kessel (858) 361-8972 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Another plea for our FELV+ mom
She has been spayed - they tested her at that time. She's asymptomatic at this time. The kittens were taken from her and I'm not quite sure their status at this moment. I will ask. I know we took 10 kittens to the Humane Society (NO KILL, we would not take them somewhere to be killed, we are just completely out of foster space). I'm sure she has or had fleas, I will ask Denis. I feel colonies with Denis but not this colony. I will forward this email to him and let him get in touch with you as he knows more than I do. THANK YOU SO MUCH for giving this baby a chance. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:58 AM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: Kelly, Okay, I am way full with animals over here, but I have one felv+ female who is separate from the rest of the household. She is about 8 and very healthy. I would qualify her as a carrier of the virus. She doesn't love other cats, but has been more and more interested in companionship lately. She tolerates others at this point. I might be able to help you out and put the two together. I am little hesitant to put any stress on my little healthy felv+ cat, but if you think your felv+ girl is okay with another cat and not currently exhibiting signs of the disease, I could try it. Do you know how old she is, clearly she's not spayed, or has she been now? What happened with the kittens? Any signs of anemia or opportunistic infections? Fleas, etc? Also, I live in Wisconsin. Not sure where you're at. I have some free time in July if you're not too far I could take a small road trip. Well, let me know. Jenny On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Still have this beautiful Siamese mom who is FELV+. From what I gather she is feral and that will be a death sentence if she is taken to the shelter. Anyone got any ideas on this? I am open to suggestions. I cannot take her as i have an immune suppressed cat here. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Another plea for our FELV+ mom
Hi Natalie, Unfortunately Siamese are a dime a dozen around here. I used to volunteer for the local breed rescue group and they will only take cats from the public with a sizeable donation and certainly not a feral FELV+ cat. Most rescues around here focus on getting cats out of kill shelters. We are trying, much as I hate it, BFAS. I am checking to see exactly how feral this cat is, but really this group is my last ditch effort. There is a FELV sanctuary in the next town but they have rejected her already. If it becomes necessary, I think it would be kinder to have her PTS at the vet rather than be at the shelter terrified for 3 day stray hold and then killed anyway. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Try looking for a specific breed rescue group in your area or offer to get her to a nearby one..Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:54 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Another plea for our FELV+ mom Still have this beautiful Siamese mom who is FELV+. From what I gather she is feral and that will be a death sentence if she is taken to the shelter. Anyone got any ideas on this? I am open to suggestions. I cannot take her as i have an immune suppressed cat here. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Another plea for our FELV+ mom
Still have this beautiful Siamese mom who is FELV+. From what I gather she is feral and that will be a death sentence if she is taken to the shelter. Anyone got any ideas on this? I am open to suggestions. I cannot take her as i have an immune suppressed cat here. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FELV+ momma cat in Austin - needs home!
This is a beautiful lynx point momma cat. We trapped her and her kittens. My understanding is that the kittens tested negative. I don't have a lot more information about her. I have a pic. I expect transportation could be arranged. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT - Animal and human tornado victims
Dear friends, We are gathering needed items for the human and animal tornado victims. We hope to have a truckload within the next 2 weeks which we will be driving to Birmingham. If you live near Austin, we desperately need boots on the ground to help us gather items. If you don't live near us, the two hardest hit areas are Birmingham and Tuscaloosa - The Greater Birmingham Humane Society and the Humane Society of West Alabama. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] New Info found
I've never held out that much confidence in the Cornell study. On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Go to the link and read the entire study. At the very end they are comparing the human AIDS virus to the feline FeLV virus. I have not heard of anyone getting AIDs without direct bodily contact or via blood. Not saying its bad science. Just don't think we need to over-react to this study. Sharyl From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, May 1, 2011 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Info found That really IS scaryit's amazing how opinions about something change...I also thought that it was a mere few minutes -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 2:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New Info found I found this link from Cornell University. Cornell states that previously it was thought that FeLV could only live minutes to a couple hours outside the host (cat) on surfaces such as glass, carpets, etc. Now from studies it can last DAYS TO WEEKS! 2008 is the most recent publication I found regarding how long FeLV can survive outside the host. This concens me greatly since I just lost a kitten to FeLV in March and still have an unprotected cat that may contract it. So my surviving cat was still getting exposed possibly weeks after my kitten had died? How frightening! Please give me your thoughts. Here is the link: http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc//news/docs/FLVirus.pdf - Original Message - From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace Sorry, I don't think the link will work. I am in the process of trying something else. Jannes From: Jannes Taylor jannestay...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, April 17, 2011 11:15:43 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Amber's kitty palace Hello Everyone, Please dlick on this link to see photos of Amber's new kitty palace. div style=width:480px;text-align:right;embed width=480 height=360 src=http://static.pbsrc.com/flash/rss_slideshow.swf; flashvars=rssFeed=http%3A%2F%2Ffeed1113.photobucket.com% Amber is the felv positive kitty we rescued 7 weeks ago. She was on death's door just absolutely starving and did not look well. She had no energy to even play. After 7 weeks of TLC and good food it is hard for me to believe she has any issues at all. I have three healthy cats upstairs and I am not willing to take the chance of exposing them to the virus even though they have been vaccinated against felv. I am so glad I did not have Amber euthanized! The vet was leaning in that direction. God bless you all for all that you do for our sweet feline friends. Jannes ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws
Some nursing homes require cats to be declawed in order to stay with their owners in the nursing home. On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I UNDERSTAND WHAT SOME OF YOU ARE SAYING ABOUT OLD PEOPLE AND THEIR THIN SKINS NOT WANTING TO BE SCRTACHED, BUT WHY WOULD A CAT SCRATCH ANYONE, UNLESS ONE HAS A FERAL CAT THAT'S TERRIFIED WHEN CORNEREDIT'S LIKE PEOPLE DECLAWING THEIR CATS WHEN A BABY COMES ALONG. If the cat hasn't scratched them, why would it scratch the baby - besides, it's better to be scratched than bitten anytime! Years ago, neighbors adopted a baby and had their two 4-yr old cats declawed, worrying about scratches, although the cats never scratched them. When baby arrived, one of the cats bit the baby in the hand - seriously (never, ever having attempted to bite the neighbors). The baby didn't even provoke the cat - it was just lying on the floor. Both cats were euthanized the next day. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:00 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat claws Many older people are on coumidin and that really makes it bad for them to get scratched. Some cats get carried away with their play so you just need to not overstimulate them. You play hard and they will too. And then there are some that don't play much at all. They just want to be petted or sit on your lap all day. Maybe older people should learn as much as possible about their future pets and only adopt gentle ones. We just have to use common sense when dealing with any animal. If they growl or flip their tail back and forth or lay back their ears, that is a sign that they have had enough. Then back off and let them be. Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: On 03-23, Natalie wrote: I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I said, bites are a natural defense for declawed cats! I'm 78 and when you're old your skin is very fragile and thin and you bleed easily... That said - I would NEVER NEVER declaw a cat. We have 15 rescued cats at home and sure we get scratched when they play or knead us, but so what! Put some iodine on the scratches. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Airline Health Certificate
Jenine, How funny I was just going to post about that. You do need to be careful about temps, if they are forecast to be over or under a certain temp they will not fly them cargo and will have to go in the cabin with a person. On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Jenine jenmarac...@gbis.com wrote: Hi Melinda, I just had 3 kittens flown from Texas. The vet will just give them a clean bill of health, and that is all that will be said Good luck. I used Continental Cargo, and they could not have been better. Jenine On 3/21/2011 6:40 AM, Melinda Kerr wrote: Would a FeLV positive cat showing no signs of illness be able to get a health certificate to travel by air? My current vet seems to think it wouldn't be a problem. However, she is leaving and I am worried it could be a problem! Thanks for your input. Melinda, Fuji, VooDoo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT: Transport
Hi there, Does anyone know anything about transport? I am trying to get these 2 FELV+ kitties to various far flung places (if anyone adopts them - no one has yet). I do not know the first thing about it. Often our adopters have limited funds and cannot afford to pay to transport, and time is of the essence when dealing with this shelter as they kill FELV+ cats first. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Beautiful FELV+ kitties in Austin at risk of being killed
Please check them out - so adorable! http://austin.craigslist.org/pet/2262678206.html -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd http://www.captainwink.com/wp/ie.php?plg=iesubs=gmailelm=sign ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine
Barb, Don't know if you have/use facebook but her facebook profile is also being kept updated. On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Barb Moermond mr_mok...@yahoo.com wrote: oh thank the gods - a friend i know? I've been sending GLOW steadily and don't know anybody local there I could call. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net To: Feline Leukemia felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, March 12, 2011 1:18:37 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] MaryChristine Just fyi, for those who know MaryChristine - she had heart bypass surgery on Monday, over yonder in New York State. The update from a friend of hers says that she's out of intensive care, now in a regular room, and doing well. Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] 2 cats in need, austin, tx, one felv+, one buddy
Both in high kill shelter. Have more info, but the original message bounced and this is urgent. Info can be given on request. This shelter DOES accept out of state adopters. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PETA
I don't think they like flies more than cats, I think they consider all life equal - a rat is a pig is a dog is a boy so a rat's life, a pig's life, and a boy's life are all equal in their minds. Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that PETA made this video. PETA is (from how I follow, or attempt to follow, their thinking) against sanctuaries. I no longer trust video tape. I have worked some as an extra in the television industry and you can put ABSOLUTELY anything in front of a green screen and make it look real. I had a friend who had a friend who worked on animal cops and the friend swears it is all staged - or maybe mostly staged - that there may be some issues but nothing like what is shown. I don't trust anything I haven't seen with my OWN eyes and I certainly am NOT going to trust a PETA video about ANYTHING. On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 7:33 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Kelley, Thanks for reminding us about PETA. I used to give them donations, but when I found out what they did to cats I never gave them another cent, and I've tried to spread the word about all the cats they kill. I suppose they do some good in other areas, but cats certainly get the worst treatment imaginable, and I also agree they are nutty as fruit cakes when it comes to flies.. I read about the humane fly trap they sent Pres. Obama... How can they consider the lives of flies more valuable than the lives of cats!! Lorrie On 02-25, Kelley Saveika wrote: As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you ever tried it)? PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes. They were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or something of that nature. Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to worry about them. PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking at animals from a distance. They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly on TV. I think they are nutty as fruit cakes. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period. http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is being publicly and NOT privately supported. There's a one year advance ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the public, then one is granted permanent status. I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sanctuaries
As far as the original article goes, it was an article by PETA, which I trust about as far as I can kick a plastic grocery bag (not far, have you ever tried it)? PETA operates a shelter with a 97% kill rate and had employees caught disposing of animal carcasses in dumpsters after having gone to other shelters and gotten the animals out and promised to find them homes. They were not charged with cruelty but were fined for illegal dumping or something of that nature. Ingrid Newkirk has advocated killing animals as a means to not having to worry about them. PETA believes we should not have house pets and should just enjoy looking at animals from a distance. They gave President Obama a humane fly trap since they saw him kill a fly on TV. I think they are nutty as fruit cakes. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: The IRS has gotten rid of the advanced ruling period. http://www.irs.gov/charities/charitable/article/0,,id=185568,00.html On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I don't know what the requirement is to qualify as a sanctuary or the number of animals in care (probably none), the most important ruling is being publicly and NOT privately supported. There's a one year advance ruling period, in which you must prove that there was support from the public, then one is granted permanent status. I always question the word sanctuary - Audubon has opened their sanctuaries in many places to bowhunting...some sanctuary! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport?
Thanks! I had forgotten about them! On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.comwrote: Try Operation Roger--long distance truckers. Have worked w. them twice they're great! http://operationroger.rescuegroups.org/ -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? Hi Michael, The problem is that Google maps says it is 1,796 miles and probably at least 1,000 of that is before they get to Nevada. That's why I was looking for someone experienced in setting up transports, which I am not. I have someone to drive the first out of what, 18-30ish legs? I haven't heard from the adopter since all the excitement of getting them rescued from the shelter (literally HOURS before death) so she may have found another option. Pilots and Paws is good for short trips (300 miles or so) and we have a wonderful paid transport company in Austin (they went and got 2 of our cats after the adopters had a baby and decided the baby was allergic - in New York State). They are not cheap but do sometimes offer cheaper rates for rescue if they are going that way anyway. On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote: you can contact the Nevada humane society at 775-856-2000 and ask for the help desk they can contact volunteers that might help in Nevada and close in to the state Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? MIchael, We have 3 kittens needing to go from Austin to Reno. We have someone to drive the first leg. What we need is someone to help us coordinate the rest of the legs and possibly teach me in the process. On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote: what can i help you with? Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Jenine jenmarac...@gbis.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? Michael, They will be coming here to Reno. Have been meaning to contact you anyway, so this may be the right time. Feel free to email me. jenmarac...@gbis.com Jenine On 2/18/2011 5:31 PM, Second Chance Meows wrote: where in Nevada do they need to go? Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Kelley Saveikamoonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalkFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? We have the 3 FELV+ kittens here (Austin) needing to go to Nevada with as little stress as possible. I have no experience at all in this area; however, we do have a person willing to drive the first leg. Anyone experienced with transport who can help? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport?
Hi Michael, The problem is that Google maps says it is 1,796 miles and probably at least 1,000 of that is before they get to Nevada. That's why I was looking for someone experienced in setting up transports, which I am not. I have someone to drive the first out of what, 18-30ish legs? I haven't heard from the adopter since all the excitement of getting them rescued from the shelter (literally HOURS before death) so she may have found another option. Pilots and Paws is good for short trips (300 miles or so) and we have a wonderful paid transport company in Austin (they went and got 2 of our cats after the adopters had a baby and decided the baby was allergic - in New York State). They are not cheap but do sometimes offer cheaper rates for rescue if they are going that way anyway. On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote: you can contact the Nevada humane society at 775-856-2000 and ask for the help desk they can contact volunteers that might help in Nevada and close in to the state Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? MIchael, We have 3 kittens needing to go from Austin to Reno. We have someone to drive the first leg. What we need is someone to help us coordinate the rest of the legs and possibly teach me in the process. On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote: what can i help you with? Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Jenine jenmarac...@gbis.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? Michael, They will be coming here to Reno. Have been meaning to contact you anyway, so this may be the right time. Feel free to email me. jenmarac...@gbis.com Jenine On 2/18/2011 5:31 PM, Second Chance Meows wrote: where in Nevada do they need to go? Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Kelley Saveikamoonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalkFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? We have the 3 FELV+ kittens here (Austin) needing to go to Nevada with as little stress as possible. I have no experience at all in this area; however, we do have a person willing to drive the first leg. Anyone experienced with transport who can help? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport?
MIchael, We have 3 kittens needing to go from Austin to Reno. We have someone to drive the first leg. What we need is someone to help us coordinate the rest of the legs and possibly teach me in the process. On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote: what can i help you with? Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Jenine jenmarac...@gbis.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? Michael, They will be coming here to Reno. Have been meaning to contact you anyway, so this may be the right time. Feel free to email me. jenmarac...@gbis.com Jenine On 2/18/2011 5:31 PM, Second Chance Meows wrote: where in Nevada do they need to go? Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Kelley Saveikamoonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalkFelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? We have the 3 FELV+ kittens here (Austin) needing to go to Nevada with as little stress as possible. I have no experience at all in this area; however, we do have a person willing to drive the first leg. Anyone experienced with transport who can help? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FELV + baby kittens in Austin - VERY short time frame - can ANYONE help?
Here is their writeup: It is with a heavy heart I plead for rescue for these three darling kittens. They came in with a momma, who was tested for Feline Leukemia and tested negative. Since mom was on the skinny side and obviously ready to be relieved of her momma duties, she went to adoption (and found a forever home!) and her kittens went to foster care. At 8 weeks of age, they all had homes lined up so they came in to the shelter to be made ready for adoption. They tested positive for Feline Leukemia. In hopes of a false positive test, we sent the definitive IFA test off to the lab on one of the kittens and it has come back positive as well. There is no denying these positive results. Due to their test results, the adopters have all withdrawn. The foster mom, fearing getting even MORE attached to them that she already is, has made the heart wrenching decision to return them to the shelter this afternoon. They are all chipped and 2 are already fixed. Due to the contagious nature of Feline Leukemia, we cannot put them in adoption and MUST find rescue for them by 7pm on Friday. Their photos are at: http://www.petharbor.com/pet.asp?uaid=ASTN.A592190 http://www.petharbor.com/pet.asp?uaid=ASTN.A592192 http://www.petharbor.com/pet.asp?uaid=ASTN.A592193 Right now, they are healthy, happy, rambunctious kittens who need a miracle. I cannot pull from TLAC and have no further information. There is a group called Austin Pets Alive who may be able to help if there is interest. TLAC DOES allow out of state adoptions and if there is adoption interest they MAY give them a few more days. The TLAC website is http.www.getapetnow.com I have no further information. but I do have faith that if anyone can help, it is you guys. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] A BIG THANK YOU
To Jenine for adopting the 3 FELV+ kittens in Austin, Texas. It took a bit of fancy footwork as we only had a few hours, but they are SAFE! Yay! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport?
We have the 3 FELV+ kittens here (Austin) needing to go to Nevada with as little stress as possible. I have no experience at all in this area; however, we do have a person willing to drive the first leg. Anyone experienced with transport who can help? -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport?
Not sure but I will sure check for you! On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 7:31 PM, Second Chance Meows secondchanceme...@yahoo.com wrote: where in Nevada do they need to go? Michael Johnson Founder/Owner Second Chance Meows A FeLV Sanctuary From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 4:19 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone experienced with transport? We have the 3 FELV+ kittens here (Austin) needing to go to Nevada with as little stress as possible. I have no experience at all in this area; however, we do have a person willing to drive the first leg. Anyone experienced with transport who can help? -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sub Q fluids
Yes, they expire and the date should be on the bag, at least it is on the ones I get. On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:55 AM, wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: Does anyone know how long the bags can be used? Do they expire and if so, about how long? Thanks, :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+siamese mix to be euth in Austin, TX
Shannon, There is a really good transport company right here in Austin but they are NOT CHEAP. Let me know if you want the info. On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.comwrote: hi Kelley -= thanks for writing! The volunteer was with Town Lake. However, my friends in CA connected me with some people from Austin Pet's Alive rescue team. I gave them his impound number - I'm still waiting for someone to call me. I thought they were very difficult to work with, too, glad it's not just my perception. It seems APA has success pulling these guys? She seemed to think they could help. Not sure about transfer, I am getting quotes now from pet transport services. any suggestion appreciated!! thanks SO much for writing Shannon --- On Fri, 1/21/11, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+siamese mix to be euth in Austin, TX To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 11:30 PM I live in Austin but this shelter is extremely hard to work with. Is the volunteer with APA? Will they take the cat and xfer to you? On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: hi all - been talking to this volunteer all afternoon. I called this shelter and they won't work with me since I'm out of state. Been trying to help get this kitty pulledhere's Sherri's email to another group. Anyone in Austin on this list or know of any resources? Kitty only had two snaps, no IFA. I called and offer to pay for that but they won't do it. Obviously, I want to adopt locally, but when this came to my attention, I want to stop a pointless death...any networking ideas? thanks!! - Shannon in Chicago SHERI'S EMAIL: Hi all, I'm new to this group and I'm not accustomed to posting begging for help to save an animal but I am a volunteer with the local shelter and we are trying to get Azure out of the shelter as soon as possible. He was dropped off at the shelter stating that he had been diagnosed as being FeLv+. The shelter's policy is to euthanize these poor animals (We are not yet 100% no kill but hoping to be very soon). If we can get him adopted, then no euthanasia will be necessary. He is not sick nor does he demonstrate bad behavior so there is no reason he should be put down. Please see his video and information. Town Lake Animal Shelter requests any potential adopters to adopt in person. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqhg-rUnNYU http://www.petharbor.com/pet.asp?uaid=ASTN.A591900 Thanks for allowing me to post! Sherri sherri_dun...@hotmail.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+siamese mix to be euth in Austin, TX
I live in Austin but this shelter is extremely hard to work with. Is the volunteer with APA? Will they take the cat and xfer to you? On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.comwrote: hi all - been talking to this volunteer all afternoon. I called this shelter and they won't work with me since I'm out of state. Been trying to help get this kitty pulledhere's Sherri's email to another group. Anyone in Austin on this list or know of any resources? Kitty only had two snaps, no IFA. I called and offer to pay for that but they won't do it. Obviously, I want to adopt locally, but when this came to my attention, I want to stop a pointless death...any networking ideas? thanks!! - Shannon in Chicago SHERI'S EMAIL: Hi all, I'm new to this group and I'm not accustomed to posting begging for help to save an animal but I am a volunteer with the local shelter and we are trying to get Azure out of the shelter as soon as possible. He was dropped off at the shelter stating that he had been diagnosed as being FeLv+. The shelter's policy is to euthanize these poor animals (We are not yet 100% no kill but hoping to be very soon). If we can get him adopted, then no euthanasia will be necessary. He is not sick nor does he demonstrate bad behavior so there is no reason he should be put down. Please see his video and information. Town Lake Animal Shelter requests any potential adopters to adopt in person. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nqhg-rUnNYU http://www.petharbor.com/pet.asp?uaid=ASTN.A591900 Thanks for allowing me to post! Sherri sherri_dun...@hotmail.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] OT- Trooper
An update for those who helped with Trooper- what he looks like today http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper Thanks all! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT- Trooper
He is the sweetest cat in the world, really. We still don't know what happened to him but whatever it was he came through it with flying colors. All credit goes to our fabulous vet! On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:45 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Trooper really is a trooper to survive that. Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: An update for those who helped with Trooper- what he looks like today http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper Thanks all! -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Questions about placing an FeLV cat
We have had great good luck on this list adopting out FELV+ cats to individual adopters. Emily adopted Tofu and she is immaculately cared for and in the best situation of all, a real home and not a sanctuary. BFAS, much as I hate them, has openings at times for FELV cats. They do keep the cats in good condition but I disagree vehemently with their practices and would not send my worst enemy there, let alone a cat! On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:17 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: If you can aford it, keep them. I would. I have 2 felv pos cats out of 7 and they are actually the healthiest (?) of the bunch. Have had them in mixed group for going on 4 years and my vet says that as long as the others are vaccinated, everyone gets good food, shelter and love, there should be no problem. And so far, he is right. Tell people not to be afraid of the word positive, give the cats a chance and the love you get back is more than worth it. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know of anyone. The sanctuaries I used to know of have all been closed after it was discovered they had death camp conditions. Basically large-scale hoarding situations. People now seem to refer everyone they hear about to me just because I have a few. Nothing I can do. I just try to convince the people to keep them. The most recent lady who was refered to me has so fallen in love with the cat she has found a sympathetic, who amazingly has told her she can keep the cat with her other cat. I keep trying to tell people this it has finally worked! Please be so very careful check out thoroughly anyone who offers to take them. I suggest you call the local Dept of AG Animal Control make sure there are no complaints. Also check references of vets they use maybe local rescue groups. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 1/17/11, angeloffire7...@aol.com angeloffire7...@aol.com wrote: From: angeloffire7...@aol.com angeloffire7...@aol.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Questions about placing an FeLV cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 12:17 AM I'm not sure who to ask about this, or if this message is able to be put in the daily mailings, but: Does anyone happen to know any responsible groups or people in the south (preferably in Louisiana) that take in FeLV positive cats? I've been rescuing cats and kittens at a house, and one of the kittens has turned up FeLV positive. I have a feeling that the others will be too since they all share the same water source and cuddle up together outside, so I'd like to find out where I can try to place these guys after/if I am able to tame them. The girl I have right now is spayed and is the sweetest little girl. She is about 5-6 months old, incredibly playful and loves to curl up on me at night, and give me kisses! I have 4 other cats that are negative right now, so I cannot keep her- even if she were negative, I would not be able to keep her. Can anyone please offer me any suggestions or group names to begin with? I'd be more than happy to make a small donation to a responsible group/person who would take her! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Questions about placing an FeLV cat
Oh, also Crash's, where Sherry volunteers, seems great - run by a vet - however I believe they only take cats from the state of Michigan - Sherry correct me if I am wrong? On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: We have had great good luck on this list adopting out FELV+ cats to individual adopters. Emily adopted Tofu and she is immaculately cared for and in the best situation of all, a real home and not a sanctuary. BFAS, much as I hate them, has openings at times for FELV cats. They do keep the cats in good condition but I disagree vehemently with their practices and would not send my worst enemy there, let alone a cat! On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 5:17 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: If you can aford it, keep them. I would. I have 2 felv pos cats out of 7 and they are actually the healthiest (?) of the bunch. Have had them in mixed group for going on 4 years and my vet says that as long as the others are vaccinated, everyone gets good food, shelter and love, there should be no problem. And so far, he is right. Tell people not to be afraid of the word positive, give the cats a chance and the love you get back is more than worth it. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know of anyone. The sanctuaries I used to know of have all been closed after it was discovered they had death camp conditions. Basically large-scale hoarding situations. People now seem to refer everyone they hear about to me just because I have a few. Nothing I can do. I just try to convince the people to keep them. The most recent lady who was refered to me has so fallen in love with the cat she has found a sympathetic, who amazingly has told her she can keep the cat with her other cat. I keep trying to tell people this it has finally worked! Please be so very careful check out thoroughly anyone who offers to take them. I suggest you call the local Dept of AG Animal Control make sure there are no complaints. Also check references of vets they use maybe local rescue groups. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 1/17/11, angeloffire7...@aol.com angeloffire7...@aol.com wrote: From: angeloffire7...@aol.com angeloffire7...@aol.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Questions about placing an FeLV cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, January 17, 2011, 12:17 AM I'm not sure who to ask about this, or if this message is able to be put in the daily mailings, but: Does anyone happen to know any responsible groups or people in the south (preferably in Louisiana) that take in FeLV positive cats? I've been rescuing cats and kittens at a house, and one of the kittens has turned up FeLV positive. I have a feeling that the others will be too since they all share the same water source and cuddle up together outside, so I'd like to find out where I can try to place these guys after/if I am able to tame them. The girl I have right now is spayed and is the sweetest little girl. She is about 5-6 months old, incredibly playful and loves to curl up on me at night, and give me kisses! I have 4 other cats that are negative right now, so I cannot keep her- even if she were negative, I would not be able to keep her. Can anyone please offer me any suggestions or group names to begin with? I'd be more than happy to make a small donation to a responsible group/person who would take her! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper
Re: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process...
You never know. This list works wonders. We had a double pos (FELV confirmed by the IFA test) and she got adopted by a wonderful lady named Emily in Waco. We would never kill a cat just because they are FELV+ We always really want to get them into a home, though. Having had a special needs kitty with complete endiocardial cushion defect, I know what it is like to come in every night with the first thing on your mind being if your cat is still alive. I just CANNOT do that again. I deeply admire anyone who can. I have one of those vets too, would not trade him for love or money. Kelley On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: You cannot believe how many people, when they find out that their cat is FeLV positive, ask the vets to immediately kill them! My vet, is the last one to ask - he will NEVER do it. But there are many vets who actually suggest to their clients that the kindest thing to do is to put them out of their misery, when they're not even exhibiting any symptoms yet. I get calls from such people, asking if I would take their cat - my response is, why can't you keep the cat you claim to love so much? I happen to have two, because I had no choice, but I wasn't going to throw them out, not accept them, or have them killed. They're wonderful cats, but I doubt that anyone will adopt them - so I will have them for life. I wish there were a decent place for FeLV cats - but as nice as some of them may appear, they are NOT - not in this area. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] observations from adoption process... Just wanted to share something I have encountered - we are considering a pal for Whimsy, and have been in touch with wonderful, amazing rescues, shelters, and fosters. I have encountered many times kitties who have never had an IFA and sometimes only one ELISA. Obviously, this doesn't sit quite right with me, and I need an IFA. Of course, it's an expensive test and totally understandable why it's not done as much. I have offered to pay for one (for a kitty who has lived in a cage for a year) and wish I could get all of those in question this luxury. It's a dilema I didn't anticipate. I have had to explain on many occasions what it is as well. I'm so touched by all the passion and committment out there for these special kitties. You wouldn't believe the long, stunned silence on the phone when I ask Do you have any Feline Leukemia kitties for adoption? I've had shelter people shout for joy and almost cry at my inquiry. It's also made me aware of where I will be directing my donations to. My favorite local shelter takes care of these guys, but I am definitely going to redirect my other donations to smaller groups that care for these sweethearts - that welcome them with open arms. I realize, too, that having Whismy come into my life, for however long it may be, has made me an advocate for FeLV adoptions, and when you start see how many people you can inform, you truly see how to effect change. It may be one person in one waiting room at your vet clinic, but if that gives one of these cats the chance to live out their years, it is definitely powerful action. The horror of the inital diagnosis seems to disipate and you see...yes, we can handle it; if not us, who? Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
It is pretty wonderful, but not at all cheap. I doubt anyone unless they were really really well-off would send more than maybe 1-3 animals there. They are a really great option for birds, since so many birds outlive their people. On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Debbie Bates dlh1...@hotmail.com wrote: Wow, Kellythat place seems wonderful...except for the fact that I could almost DOUBLE their feline count with just my houseful, lol! Debbie ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't blame him. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: My vet prefers for them to weigh 3-4 pounds before surgery (usually 16 weeks) Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 11:33:58 -0500 From: athenapities...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males Many of the vets I use with rescues want the kitten to weigh 2 pounds, age doesn't matter. --Katy On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:29 AM, Peggy Verdonck jetalitosunnys...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just a quick question. At what age do you guys have your male kittens neutered. I have a 10 to 12 week old kitten (not sure exactly, found him at a gas station). We have to have him tested for Felv/Fiv and I was thinking to have him neutered at the same time because it would save us a lot of money. He is a strong and healthy guy and both his testicals are showing already. Thanks for any replies, Peggy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering males
I figure that amazingly enough he's been to vet school and I haven't. The local low cost spay and neuter places (I call them chop n shops) will do them at 3 months, but their primary concern is that all animals be spayed and neutered no matter what, and they killed one of our kittens with a botched spay - never again. Our current vet does them at 6 months because his concern is the health of each individual animal - and I like that. We have never had anyone get pregnant. If they are not altered we adopt out on foster to adopt, which means we still own the animal and they are fostering. It works if you can keep up with it. We never transfer ownership on an unaltered animal. On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: Kelley, Our vet says exactly the same thing, so we s/n at 6 months. On 12-27, Kelley Saveika wrote: We do ours at 6 months; our vet will not do them before that, and from what I've read about the bad possible side effects of early s/n in dogs I can't blame him. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can’t complain about it, that they can’t fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
Hi Lorrie, If you have enough money to provide for them, may I suggest The Stevenson Center at Texas AM? http://www.cvm.tamu.edu/petcare/ http://www.cvm.tamu.edu/petcare/It is not cheap but is a safe place for pets to go and live in a home like environment, has vet students who live there, each pet has a personal wellness plan, if you are unable to care for them but still alive (nursing home or etc) you can visit. I have been there and it is a very nice place...right beside the small animal clinic. On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: My parents left me enough money to comfortably provide for all my cats, BUT the question that concerns me is WHO will care for them? I have three grown kids and grown grandkids and all of them love cats, but they have a bunch of their own. I would like to find someone to move into our house and take care of them. I'd even give them the house, and it's a very nice house in a resort area on a lake in the eastern mountains of WV. So far in my will I've left 1,000 per cat to help them find good homes, but how do I know someone won't take the money and dump the cat? I worry about my fur babies constantly. They are my life. If anyone has any good ideas about what I can do please e-mail me personally. Lorrie On 12-20, MaiMaiPG wrote: Consider providing for them in your will. I had a lawyer draw up one leaving everything in trust for the care of my guys. On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Lorrie wrote: Wow, Natalie, that is impressive. You definitely have a lot more cats than we have. I'd take in more if my hubby and I weren't so ancient (77 and 88) but I'm afraid when we die we'll leave a bunch of orphans. It's a constant worry, and we have no rescue group to help.. We're it! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work
It could have gone better, but we're still out here rescuing:) On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 5:43 AM, merrykatme...@email.com wrote: Kelly does rescue work and had a shelter-environment set up with a number of kitties. A few years ago someone thought she was not taking good enough care of them, accused her of being a hoarder, got the authorities involved. Best Friends - although they knew of her her rescue work - did not come to her defense. It did not turn out well for her. Kat (Mew Jersey) -Original Message- From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 8:01 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work On 12-21, Kelley Saveika wrote: Oh God, not Best Friendsugh... Is there something I should know about Best Friends. If so let me know because I send them money. I know how bad PETA is to cats, but I thought B F was a good organization. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work
Oh God, not Best Friendsugh... On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 7:41 AM, merrykatme...@email.com wrote: If you are a non-profit org, you might want to consider having a succession plan in place to make the transition to someone else smoother. Succession planning for non-profits: http://www.ehow.com/about_7327519_succession-planning-nonprofit-organizations.html http://www.brighthub.com/office/human-resources/articles/99724.aspx http://www.suite101.com/content/approaches-to-succession-planning-for-nonprofit-organizations-a260204 There used to be a sanctuary in NY state that had to close when the head of the sanctuary died suddenly and there was no plan in place for transitioning or providing for the animals. The following is an article about Best Friends in Utah helping out the animals left behind. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb518404.htm Kat (Mew Jersey) -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work YES, we have provided for them, and I want someone to continue the work...am actively assessing younger people who work here, how they interact with cats, reliability, etc. I still have a few good years in me..unless I'm hit by a bus tomorrowNatalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 5:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work Consider providing for them in your will. I had a lawyer draw up one leaving everything in trust for the care of my guys. On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Lorrie wrote: Wow, Natalie, that is impressive. You definitely have a lot more cats than we have. I'd take in more if my hubby and I weren't so ancient (77 and 88) but I'm afraid when we die we'll leave a bunch of orphans. It's a constant worry, and we have no rescue group to help.. We're it! No, I didn't get that site. Lorrie On 12-20, Natalie wrote: Yes, rescue group since 1992. I have over 70 cats - in our house. Huge garage, built condos there, and they have outdoor enclosures for warmer weather. I use full-spectrum lights and no one has been sick in years (unless they come in with something). I put two large cages together, door to door, one half is for sleeping and food, the other half for litter box. Liter boxes have holes punched on edges, tied to cage with twistemsno horrible accidents with the whole box tippedThen I use this double cage wherever the cat needs to be introduced. Sometimes, it takes only a few days. Then I open the cage, and the new cat can use it freely fo privacy or not. Most often, all the other cats get into the cage (they love it!). We also have built a screen door between a TV room and a bathroom where we either introduce new cats to the others, or keep them when they're sick and need to be medicated. That way, they don't feel alone and can communicate with other cats through the screen door. I found a good site which I sent it to the felvtalk group the other day - but it may have been too large and not have gone through. Did you get it? Am rushing right now - vet visits all afternoon. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Questions about FeLV
Hi Anndrea, Don't give up on her yet! The yellow is jaundice and does have to do with liver - could be among other things fatty liver syndrome.You need to take her back to the vet. Fatty liver can be treated by adequate caloric intake. You need to learn assist feeding (which isn't that hard). She's probably not using the litter box because she isn't eating or drinking. Did they say anything about dehydration? Anemia can be difficult, Did the vet say anything about whether it is regenerative or non regenerative? Kelley 2010/9/28 A D unspecifie...@gmail.com Hi, my cat was the picture of health about two weeks ago. She’s 2 years old, female, spayed, orange tabby. She would literally bounce off the walls running around the house. She’s so wonderful ♥ Anyway, about two weeks ago, she started sleeping constantly, and one day (9/17) I noticed her nose, gums, and pads had turned white…instead of their normal pink. So I took her in and they took some blood…said that day that she is VERY anemic L Since that was a Friday, we got the results the following Monday. FeLV L She barely eats, almost never uses the litter box (and her urine is pretty dark when she does go), sleeps almost 24 hours a day, and has lost a bit of weight (not good when she only started at 7lbs in the first place L). I got her Pet-tinic vitamins cuz a vet suggested them. I tried to get her to drink kitten formula cuz I figured part of it’s job is to help kittens build up their immune systems. She was put on antibiotics the Monday that her tests came back. After 4-5 days, she began refusing the medicine. It’s a liquid and she would spit it all back out. So, she probably didn’t get all she was supposed to. When she does eat, it is usually just the liquid part of canned cat food. She is still able to jump off the bed and walk to the kitchen (where the dry food bowl and litter box are), but usually wears out on her way back out of the kitchen, and lays down. She is so skinny…I’m not even sure she has much muscle left. She has always been skinny, but not like this. Well, a few days ago, her white pads and nose started turning yellow. I know that has something to do with her liver not working right. Oh yeah…the way the vet put her anemia…normal range is 29%-45% (or something like that), and my kitty’s came back at 16% L Does anyone have any advice as to what we could do to help her? How will we know if she has pain? The vet that gave us the results (a substitute cuz regular vet was out for the week) said if she makes it the next couple months, and seems any better, to get her re-tested. That some cats fight it off and can test negative a couple months later. So, that means SOME cats get over this. And I read online that some cats live for a few years with it, after showing symptoms. Just gives me a little hope…then I look at her…and she looks so bad…and I think there isn’t much hope. So hard to watch. At what point do you give up and have an FeLV+ cat put to sleep? I figured if she shows signs of being in pain (once I know what those are), or has a seizure, or absolutely stops eating and drinking anything, that it would be time. I don’t want her to suffer, but I also want to give her every chance to survive…ya know? Anyway, thanks for letting me go on and on…as you can tell this is really very hard on me emotionally, as I’m sure it is on anyone and everyone who has to deal with it. ~Anndrea ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BOB
I am so sorry for your loss. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 6:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THRU AND SOMEHOW ALWAYS COMES BACK . MY BOBY DIED WEDNESDAY THE 8TH. HE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR FOOD AND WHEN I FOUND HIM, HE WAS ALREADY GROWING COLD. DECIDED NOT TO DO AUTOPSY, WOULD NOT BRING HIM BACK AND WOULD ONLY MUTILATE HIM. I MISS HIM. HE WAS SUCH A GENTLE SOUL AND TOOK SUCH GOOD CARE OF THE KITTENS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM HOME. HE BATHED THEM AND TAUGHT THEM TO HUNT AND WRESTLED WITH THEM AND THEY ALL SLEPT TOGETHER. I HAVE PICTURES TO REMEMBER, BUT NOT THE SAME. HE WAS ONLY 5 AND THERE WAS NO WARNING . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] faint pos on snap test, neg on IFA
From what I've found light pos is either an error on the part of the tech or a bad test. The IFA is a much more conclusive test. On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.netwrote: Thank you so much - this is a great group, as always, and I really appreciate the replies. This is my take, re your comment Natalie. With FIV, the snap test is for antibodies in the blood. Kittens of an FIV mom, when they are nursing, can take in the mothers FIV antibodies. It's different for FELV, the test is for Antigens, and apparently the transmission of the virus is not the same. Kittens of an FIV mom are very likely to get the antigens but not the virus, depending on when mom was infected. Our rescue has seen this happen many times - kittens of an FIV mom invariably go negative before they're a year old - yeaa! With FELV, as I recall its different, I think (but not sure) that some of the kittens can actually get the virus from mom, but can throw it off as their immune systems develop. This is just on memory, so if somebody knows, please correct me. So I'm gather that perhaps the antigens hadn't cleared yet at the time of the snap, and Linda seemed to agree with that. Anyhow, this is a 1.5 yr old cat, so the question is, with a light pos on Elisa snap test, and a negative on the followup IFA test, what does it mean? MC responded and said it could also be a bad snap test. Or bad procedures for testing. Also asked at what interval were the tests done? So I'm going to check out exactly when the tests were done and what brand were the tests and who did them. But what I'm also hearing, is if neg on the followup IFA, then kitty is neg regardless of the snap. Yes? I've been asked to take this kitty, so am exploring my options. I know if he's FELV it's unlikely he'll get adopted so he'll be a permanent resident. I already have several FELV cats, and have no fear of the virus, even mixed with healthy cats, vaccinated or not, but just have to be prepared for adding another cat. My FELV's are healthy too, I haven't lost one in a while, and I'm amazed at that. But I know, if he's not FELV, he'll get adopted in a month cause he's so gorgeous! So trying to make sense of the data to tell if he's actually FELV or not. Again thanks I appreciate your help and support. This is a wonderful group, always has been, a great resource. I'll check more into the tests that were used on Bicford and let you know. Gloria On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Natalie wrote: Whenever this happened to me with kittens that were tested for FIV, I was told that they had most likely been born to FIV+ mothers and as their immune systems developed, they would shed the faint positives.and they ALWAYS did! I don't know if that's the case with FeLV. I have two young adult cats that are FeLV+, but absolutely no symptoms and healthy as a horse! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 7:30 PM To: Feline Leukemia Subject: [Felvtalk] faint pos on snap test, neg on IFA I've been asked about a cat here in Arkansas - a Persian named Bicford, that is about 1.5 yrs old, and tested faint positive on the snap test (Elisa), but negative on the IFA. I gather that means that Bicford has been exposed, so has antigens, but doesn't have the virus in his blood? I'm confused. Can someone help me with interpreting what that means? Thanks, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Brown spider (loxosceles reclusa) bite leads to hemolytic anemia
I am so sorry for your loss. We lost our Joey to AIHA several years ago after aggressive treatment. It was very very difficult. Again I am sorry. On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com wrote: Dears, I keep thinking of how fast I lost Beltza, and hence I keep researching. Just to find out that is very weird*, but that the bite of a *Loxosceles reclusa* causes hemolytic anemia. *weird in adults, not that weird in children -- I would say, not that weird in our cats. I don't know if these spiders are common where you live, but please google a pic of them so you can recognize it --and kill it--- when you see one. Please don't expose your kitties to this bug. Best, Ana PS. If someone wants the original scientific papers I've read, let me know, so I can email them ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 2008 Amer Assn of Feline Practitioners Guidelines for Managing Feline Retroviruses
It is about time for them to come out with a new one, isn't it? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 9:23 AM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote: once again, there's the definitive guidelines for managing feline retroviruses. read the FULL article, it's got a great historical bibliography; play out a copy for your vet and make him read it in front of you. know what you're talking about, because the cats need us to speak for them. http://www.catvets.com/professionals/guidelines/publications/index.aspx?ID=323 -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Trooper needs help!
Hi guys, Yall have been so helpful in the past about helping with our injured cats, I am hoping you will be able to do so again. We have an injured cat named Trooper. No one, including our vet, knows how he came to be injured. Unfortunately his care (debridement, surgery, etc) has exhausted our emergency funds. Here is a link to his story: http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!
If you are talking about regular rescue/shelter insurance try KennelPak - www.kennelpak.com On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: What kind of insurance I have a large two story building in town, that I made into a no-kill cageless shelter. Adjacent to the building is a lot I also own, and have a small building on it for the feral cats. The only insurance I have is liability insurance on my buildings I have no insurance on my cats. I pay their vet bills out of my own pocket. Total cats in town over 20. Total cats at home 13. Lorrie On 06-29, Marnie Miszewski wrote: I know there are others on here who have FELV shelters and I'm wondering who you have for insurance providers. I keep getting turned down for insurance because I have FELV positive cats at my facility. Those cats are the reason I started the shelter and I'm not letting them go. PLEASE HELP! I need insurance and I don't know where to turn. Thanks Marnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
Not all rescues act the way you described in your first paragraph. We had a cat come up double positive (FELV/FIV) , did a confirmatory IFA test, and adopted her out to someone on this list:) On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Twisted Princess twistedprinces...@yahoo.com wrote: georgetta, what a heart warming story! from what i understand, many if not most rescues never even give a cat who produces a positive result on the fist test even a chance to be tested with the confirmation test. in fact many pet owners don't either. with the pet owners it is possible that the vet never even tells them any thing other than their cat has feline leukemia or that their cat tested positive for feline leukemia. the cat owner hasn't a clue that the initial test should be followed by a confimation test. others can't afford to do much more and end up having the cat euthanized. and many who can afford it simply don't want to spend much money on something they consider as just a cat. with rescues, i can understand them not going further than the first test. i don't necessarily agree with that but i can understand it. however, i feel it was unfair of your fostering friends trying to pressure you into having the kiitten euthanized. i'm sure they meant well but personally i think they were out of line. be proud that you stood your ground and continued to try and find placement for wisp. the odds were stacked against you, it's hard enough to find a good home for any cat or kitten might less one that has felv. but luckily for you and wisp, you beat some pretty tough odds. i would imagine that michael will let you return to visit wisp if you are willing to make the drive now and then. it sounds like he might also keep you updated every so often on wisps condition. sounds like a good deal to me! wisp's life will undoubtedly be cut short but at least it sounds like what time he does have here on earth will be happy with good times with many other kitty friends and wonderful caring human friends. although his time is short, i'm sure he will have had a happier life than what many other less fortunate cats have had, whether they lived a short life or a long life. thanks for sharing an upbeat message and thanks for all the fostering you do and thanks for not giving in and for continuing to try and find good placement for wisp. i just wish more people were like you. best wishes for wisp's future and best wishes to you. i hope that this will be your only experience with any cat diseases and that all of your future foster babies will be healthy. darlene ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] on shelters and rescues
Please, please read Redemption by Nathan Winograd. Coincidentally, we have it for sale at our rescue's Ebay store http://stores.ebay.com/Rescuties-Animal-Rescue But please, get it from somewhere. Amazon, rent it from the library, wherever. I don't want to get into a war on this list about shelters and rescuers. I will say I have met some of the most horrible people in rescue and in shelters that I have ever met, who have caused me more pain than I have thought possible. Blaming people is not the way to go. To be fair, I've also met a few of the NICEST people in rescue - MC, I'm talking to YOU:) . And I strive to be one myself, no matter how nasty other people are. Austin has recently voted to go no-kill, which is defined as having a 90+% save rate. This is not because of, but in spite of, both the shelter AND the rescues. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] i was wrong. it wasn't the ifa test the vet ran.
TwistedPrincess, Kill shelters kill more cats than ANYTHING else in the US. More than any disease, more than old age, more than being hit by cars or accidents or anything you can think of. I have not lost any cats to complications of FELV, but I have lost them to heart attack, chronic renal failure, and cancer. I know what you mean about the list being depressing and I still cry every time I read it but to put into perspective kill shelters kill MILLIONS of animals a year. The pound in my area kills 30-40 animals PER DAY. I have a cat with congenital heart disease and I can barely stand to read the heart disease list, so I know how you feel. But she has taught me to live in the moment and treasure each day, and she will be 5 in September, which is an absolute miracle for the type of congenital heart disease she has (she has a complete endiocardial cushion defect - very rare and very bad). They never last long enough, even if we have them for 20 years and it is always sad when a furbaby dies. But we are the lucky ones for having them in our lives. Kelley (who is woefully far behind in her interpersoal correspondence) On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Twisted Princess twistedprinces...@yahoo.com wrote: ok, so i'm not sure now as to sport being positive or negative for felv.. the vet wants to retest him when he returns in 3 weeks this time i think with the elisa. i thought she said sport wasn't positive for felv but maybe she said the test she ran (ifa) didn't show sport as being positive for felv. i called yesterday and asked to have her call me. when she did, i had already left for work. she did leave a message on my phone saying that the other vet finally did fax her with the details (she asked him to last monday and had to ask again yesterday before he sent them.) so i called today and asked which test the other place had run. the test the other place ran WAS the elisa. mind you, when he told me that sport was felv+, i said that was hardly even possible and i wanted him retested. that vet didn't seem to want to retest and said the test was very accurate and almost NEVER NEVER wrong. well, i can accurately say that i will probably NEVER NEVER go back to that vet again. and i won't even mention the lousy reviews i have found on the internet today regarding them. anyway, i am fairly certain sport is going to be ok but i'm going ahead with this vet's recommendation of retesting.again and possibly again a few more times. not quite as confident as i was yesterday but still can see a ray of hope and not completely resigned to accepting the worse as i had been doing for most of the previous three weeks. just like everything else, the more i know, the more i know i don't know. no wonder it is said ignorance is bliss. this mailing list is so depressing. it seems like at least one person, if not more report they loss a cat or yet another cat to felv in every digest i read. i have to wonder exactly how many cats die every day from this disease. in the united states, does any one know which claims more cats... felv or kill shelters? just curious. i know kill shelters are responsible for millions of less cats and kittens every year on this planet but does felv compare with that? (and the quote marks around that word are put there because i don't accept that term when used with state or county in reference to animal control.) again, i wanted to say my heart goes out to all of you who have had losses. i am going to try and stick it out on this mailing list at least for a while since there is a slight chance sport actually could be positive. but how could he be positive?? felv infected invisible cat ghosts walk through the entry door and contaminate my cats food, water and litterbox? oh well, i have had more than my share of unexplainable events happen in my life so the ghost cats wouldn't actually surprise me nor scare me, LOL! one more question. is there a certain font used with sending and receing these mailings? when i read them, there always are question marks place here and there in the messages. even found some in a message i had sent. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine
We always give the initial series of FELV vaccinations to all cats we adopt out. MC is right, as usual. My old vet said he had NEVER seen a case of sarcoma he felt was caused by a vaccine, but he had seen plenty of cats with FELV. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 5:23 AM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote: the injection-site sarcoma issue has largely been eliminated by the removal of the adjuvent, the change in placement of the vaccine, and the advent of safer inoculations, and non-injecting manners of delivery. if you're NEVER going to bring another cat into your house, EVER, then i'd say, don't vaccinate. but if you are, i'd do the full initial series--which, personally, i think is effective for life, too, tho research hasn't been done to confim this. even with that research, that's how vaccines SHOULD work in all species, plus there's lots of anecdotal evidence of negatives living with positives for years without getting regular vaccinations never getting sick. remember, again, that cats who test negative CAN, indeed, retest positive later on--doesn't mean they were negative at all, just that they were tested before the viral exposure was registering on the test. there are no cases of TRULY positive cats (tested twice, with the second test long enough after the first to remove the possibility of a reaction to exposure.) it's horrible when it happens, but it happens very infrequently. there is absolutely no research that i've seen that says that vaccinating a positive stresses its immune system out, because until the virus is activated, FeLVs are not frail, compromised creatures walking around with smelling salts and hankies. in fact, there is anecdotal evidence from members of this list that vaccinating positives STRENGTHENS their immune response, as evidenced by their seeming to have much longer life spans than positives who are not vaccinated we just have to convince some researchers to follow up on that, and good luck with that. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] 2nd opinion
I am happy for you my friend. The IFA test is much more reliable than the snap test. I am still working on that email. I have fallen way behind in my interpersonal correspondence. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Twisted Princess twistedprinces...@yahoo.com wrote: last sunday (yes sunday, easter sunday-they are open 7 days a week with no extra charges on the weekend) to a vet. i think i mentioned them, they seem pretty knowledgeble with treating frlv from what i had seen on their web page. anyway, the vet didn't seem to think my cat was positive due to the fact he was indoors 24/7 and an adult and because he looked healthy. she said at most he might just be a carrier but wanted to retest him. she gave him an injection for his vomiting (which she says may have been caused by the baytil which he had just finished a 2 week course of it) and put him on pepsin for a week.anyway, she called with sports results of the ifa test. this certainly has been an experience, one i could have very well done without. but it is said there is a reason for everything. maybe what i have learned will come in handy in the future. i don't know.perhaps i should get a third opinion but i'm stopping with the second one. the vet said the results came back negative. needless to say, i cried tears of joy. if the first vet actually ran an ifa like he said he did and actually did get a positive, then sport has beaten the odds of .3% my heart goes out to the rest of you. i can only hope that the future will bring a cure for this disease. it is nothing a cat or cat owner should have to endure. ;p33309544 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV?
I use revolution on everyone, but it probably depends on your area of the country,. Heartworms are very prevalent here and one heartworm can kill a cat. As usual cat treatments lag far behind dog treatments. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: agree -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 9:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV? I used Revolution. Of the spot on treatments it is supposed to be the least toxic. Plus it protects against more tha fleas, ear nites and heartworms. Sally Sally On Fri, Apone \\r 2, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: does anyone use Revolution for their FeLV babies? I don't like any toxic chemicals but wonder what the risks vs benefits might be? I've gotten permission to use (try to!) a shed for Whimsy. I'll put a cage in there initially, but he very likely will not like being confined all the time, so therefore will have some outdoor exposure still. He's had some flea treatment at his vet visits but would be due again. He's still battling ringworm (areas end up healing and new fur grows back) - don't know if that effects using flea/mite treatment. The vet has been amazed he's had no visible fleas or mites but now we are in Spring of course. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black(MIA), Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Double pos in TX
I have had horrible experiences with Shadow Cats. They typically are only going to take in animals if it gets them some kind of news coverage, or if the cat is a tuxedo. The owner has a thing about tuxedo cats. On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Heather furrygi...@gmail.com wrote: I thought Texas had some resources for FELV cats. Shadow Cats might be one of them, I've heard great things about Shadow Cats just can't recall for sure if they are one of the ones who helps FELV cats. It would probably be a good idea to contact them as even if not, they may have suggestions. Good luck, how nice to see an HS helping a double positive kitty!!! Heather in Tampa On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:14 PM, vixen...@verizon.net wrote: Hello Everyone, It's been a long time since I've been active on the list so I don't know who might be able to help this little girl. Someone forwarded me the following asking if I would post it to the list. I hope all is well with you and your babies, Nina. My name is Arthur Westbrook and I am the Operations Manager at the Humane Society of El Paso (email: awestbr...@hselpaso.org). I would like to inquire if maybe you would know of any FELV cat rescues in the Texas, New Mexico, or Arizona areas. We have a 2 year old female cat who tested positive for both FELV and FIV she is really sweet and loving, if you have any information that may help me out it would be greatly appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] the more i find out the more confused i become
Wow! Is this my friend Twisted Princess or is there another Twisted Princess out there? If you are my friend I will answer your email shortly:) As far as your questions, I don't know the answers to all of them, but I can tell you that the FELV vaccine does protect against the virus but no vaccine is 100% effective just as in humans. If you don't feel your vet is 100% behind you get another vet. How an indoor cat can test positive: had your cat been tested and been negative before? If so I would not rule out the possibility it was a bad test (problem with the chemical or human error) . This has actually happened to me and it is scary. Recommendation is to get your baby retested and TRY not to freak out, I know it is hard, I was sooo scared when my kitten tested positive. But it was a false positive. Baytril is not for FELV. It is an antibiotic commonly used in treating urinary tract infections. There are treatment protocols on this site but it is very unlikely your vet has heard of them, unless he is a cat expert or FELV expert, and it does not sound like that is the case. I'm not experienced with lymphoma so I will let someone else take that subject. Blessings, Kelley On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Twisted Princess twistedprinces...@yahoo.com wrote: i am new here. too many archives for me to read. just trying to read the ones that the topic caught my interest eventually overwhelmed me. my heart goes out to all of you who have had losses here. somewhere on the internet (i've been checkiong a lot of links about leukemia and taking notes) i read that there are 4 different possible reactions a cat will have form FELV exposure... immunity, infection,latency or immune carrier from my understanding, an ifa will detect infection and a pcr test will detect latency. do any of these or other tests detect immunity or immune carrier? how do you know if a cat has lymphoma? can you actually feel the enlarged glands on them? how do you know if a cat's bone marrow has been compromised? will this show up in bloodwork as a high or low count white blood cells? shouldn't a vet want to request you to make a future appointment if you bring in a cat with a urinary tract infection (complete blockage i was told) and the bloodwork comes back with a positive felv? or is sending the cat home with -oh my, i just checked the medicine to get the name of it, i thought it was for his uti but now i think it actually is for the felv. its baytril. .3ml a day. i guess i will have to find out if i am suppose to have them refill it when i run out. (you would think they would have told me. or else i just didn't hear it because i was still in complete disbelief and shock.) i have a lot more questions but don't have the time to think about what else i don't know. too many questions and when i google links and read info on one question, i end up with two more questions plus i get side tracked easily and end up on other links that are related to felv but not to what i was looking for and those usually leave me with even more questions. at least through what i did read in your archives, it doesn't seem all that uncommon for a cat that is strictly indoors (muilti cat home - 4 cats all indoors 24/7) to end up with felv even though all of them have previously tested negative or else their mother did when i got them as a kitten. although i appreciate your site and mailing, i wish i never had a reason to know it even existed. but i am sure most all, if not everyone, can say the same thing. p.s. if you are wondering why i am asking here instead of my vet... first of all i called my vet around noon and told them my cat had a urinary tract infection and wanted to get him seen before i have to leave for work which is 3:30. they told me they do surgeries during that time and to bring him in the following morning. there areat least two vets if not still three that work there. you would think one of them could see urgent patients during that time. so i called another vet clinic. that is where i took the cat. the vet who i spoke with when i brought the cat in was ok. i requested to see a vet when i picked the cat up several days later and that vet gave me the impression that she had other things more important to do than to talk to me and so i forgot what all i wanted to ask and decided perhaps the one and a half minute of her time i had already taken was more than she wanted to give so i gave up and left. if i make another appointment i will make sure that they give me the vet i saw the first time. however, i may look around for another vet. one other question... what good is a felv vaccine if it doesn't protect the cat against the disease? the way i see it, either it protects or it doesn't and apparently it doesn't or else there wouldn't be an issue as to felv+ cats being around vaccined felv- cats at rescues, sanctuaries or in the home.
Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril
Baytril can cause blindness but it is a rare complication. I have had many cats on it and none has ever gone blind. On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Twisted Princess twistedprinces...@yahoo.com wrote: hi, me again... i know you can't believe everything you read on the internet but i have read from several sources regarding b aytril can cause blindness. one person mention it will after 10 days. my vet has my cat on it. he gave me 4 ml and the dose is .3ml so that is nearly 2 weeks. i called the office and they said just give it to him until its gone. i called my regular vet who's office apparently has been told not they can not give an opinion that would be opposing another vet. any idea here? today (friday) is the 9th day he has been on the medicine - at least here. he may have been on it the 3 days he was at the vet, i don't know. the office person is suppose to get back to me to me as to whether our vet does the LTCI. the vet who treated the cat does not. anyone know of a good vet that does in the long beach california area? i don't drive freeways, i hardly drive at all so it basically has to be in long beach or within a few miles of long beach. and i guess the baytril is for the uti and not the felv. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Mean Kitty Channel
The Mean Kitty is Sparta, an FELV+ kitty, who lives with Loki, a FELV- kitty - check it out - if you only have time to watch one, watch The Mean Kitty Song in HD very funny. http://www.youtube.com/TheMeanKitty -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Mean Kitty Channel
Yes..he is FELV and they are pretty good ambassadors for the disease. This is what he says about Sparta: UPDATE JANUARY 14th 2009: Some of you may be wondering why I haven't released a Mean Kitty video in a while, but I wasn't ready to announce why publicly until I knew for sure what was happening to him. Sparta has been limping for a bit over a month and after many visits to the vet, they found out why. He tested positive for leukemia. We're not sure what is causing the limping, but we do know that joint issues can be caused by the virus. He doesn't seem to be showing pain and he is just as playful as he has always been, so we're not going to show any sadness. Love and comfort is the best remedy and we are working with the doctors to find long term solutions to keep him healthy. Loki on the other hand tested negative for the virus and has been given a preventive vaccine. They are taking Loki to Boston and had Sparta retested. He was still +, so they decided to not stress him out by putting him on the plane, explained FELV+ cats should avoid stress when possible, etc. On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Lisa Borden tuckerandtes...@zoominternet.net wrote: I'm very familiar with this video ... love it! I had no idea he has FeLV. What a great cat, and a great cat dad. - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Mean Kitty Channel The Mean Kitty is Sparta, an FELV+ kitty, who lives with Loki, a FELV- kitty - check it out - if you only have time to watch one, watch The Mean Kitty Song in HD very funny. http://www.youtube.com/TheMeanKitty -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] for Kelley OT
You are SO VERY welcome! I strongly urge you to read his book - if it is not available at your local library, you can get it at Amazon used very cheaply. http://tinyurl.com/lv2rl4 * * *If he comes anywhere near you at all to speak - please do attend. It will change your life. And have your tissues ready. He is my hero. I have heard him speak 3 times now. I will drive anywhere within an 800 mile radius just to hear him. He is that powerful.* *P.S. He does not believe in killing FELV+ cats, just because they are FELV+. * I have a copy of his book he signed for me - it says Never doubt we will succeed, and though I am not superhuman like he is, and I do sometimes doubt, when I do doubt I get out my book and look at it and it helps. Thank you so much for the compliment:):):) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
This is a subject I've been interested in for a while, as I one day want to start my own sanctuary (with help of course). Best Friends is open to the public, and has no problem with people dumping - I have asked people who worked there and they said it wasn't an issue, and I asked what they would do if it became an issue, and they said they would probably just take the animals, but they are large enough to absorb an extra cat or dog or so with no issues.. I know many sanctuaries get animals dumped on them, and there is even a local sanctuary here where someone has been *stealing* and *killing* the animals (they are, among other things, a barnyard animal sanctuary). I think BF owes a lot of its success to the fact that it is open all the time..so Im not sure how to resolve this issue. I wish the OT list was still around. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
Yes, I have thought about buying land in the middle of nowhere. Normally, however, that would bethe kiss of death to any sanctuary. It is very diffcult; fortunately I have time to work it out in my mind. On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:49 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote: they owe much of their ability to have a different attitude toward dumping to the fact that they have an enormous amount of land, they're out in the middle of nowhere so that they don't have folks just driving by every day, that they started out with a much-larger-than-usual core group of dedicated, committed people, and they have a very large group of volunteers. many smaller places have few if any of those attributes. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:06 PM, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.comwrote: They also receive a lot of funding and donations and have a dedicated board of directors. Yes, but how much of that is due to the fact that they have been open to the public since the beginning? It seems a chicken and the egg thing to me. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] For anyone interested in getting meds compounded into treats
Yes, we do! One month I got a check for $138 from the company and the prices are GREAT! Thanks for asking:) On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 2:03 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Kelley - re: magazine subscriptions. do you really get 40% of subscription price? if so, have 4 to renew soon. dorils Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: This is where we get Tiffany's medication. Their specialty is compounding meds into treats. http://www.bcpvetpharm.com Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] For anyone interested in getting meds compounded into treats
This is where we get Tiffany's medication. Their specialty is compounding meds into treats. http://www.bcpvetpharm.com Thanks, Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Please add Max to CLS
Hi all, Max was my favorite feral of the many we feed. He was a big, beautiful orange tabby. These guys are probably closer to semi-feral in that they will let the regular feeders, of whom I am one, touch and approach them. There was a coyote attack on 6/30; there was an employee at the store who saw them being attacked at 3:30 am. He hasn't been seen since and we have been looking and looking, so I'm assuming the worst. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Max to CLS
Thinking of asking an AC to communicate with him, but I have no pictures:( We've had brutal dry and heat here or I don't think he would have come so close to the store. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 4:27 PM, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.comwrote: GLOW for sweet max... cats should NOT be snacks for coyotes. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org ) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PUREVAX FELV vaccine
I have not, but Purevax rabies vaccine is widely believed to be both the best vaccine and the least likely to cause VAS. It is also more expensive, and not all vet clinics carry it. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:46 PM, patricia.a.elk...@gsk.com wrote: I just heard about the PUREVAX FELV vaccine. This is administered with a transdermal technology that does not result in possible injection site sarcomas. Has anyone experience with this or heard anything especially with respect to the efficacy of it compared to the traditional one? Trissa in Philly ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Max to CLS
Max always showed up every single day. When the weekday feeder was out there (I feed weekends and holidays) on 6/30, there were no cats. Usually there are 4 in one spot and 2 in another. He called and looked for them (and was late for work) and the lady happened to see them attacked by the coyote and happened to see him looking and calling and told him what happened. He looked for 2 hours and was late for work. We eventually found all but 2, Max and Nugget. I am also worried about Nugget but not as much since I have only seen him once in 2 years. But we always saw that bright orange spot in the grass when we pulled in to feed. I hate it. Feeding ferals is a worry, but how can you not feed them? On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope he will still show up Kelly. If the worst has happened then wishing him a gentle bridge crossing. I understand how hard it is when a feral goes missing. There are still 4 at the dumpster colony I have bee trying to TNR. Only one shows up every day for feeding. The other 3 I only see occasionally. I always worry something has happened to them. Sharyl --- On Thu, 7/2/09, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: From: Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Max to CLS To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 5:23 PM Hi all, Max was my favorite feral of the many we feed. He was a big, beautiful orange tabby. These guys are probably closer to semi-feral in that they will let the regular feeders, of whom I am one, touch and approach them. There was a coyote attack on 6/30; there was an employee at the store who saw them being attacked at 3:30 am. He hasn't been seen since and we have been looking and looking, so I'm assuming the worst. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re OT: DNA
My best guess would be one that you don't talk about on the list. On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: I was wondering too. Lorrie On 06-28, wendy wrote: What is a confidential DNA? Thanks, Wendy From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 4:18:20 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT: DNA All, I have a confidential DNA. If you want to inquire, please email me privately. Thanks, Laurie lauriesk...@mchsi.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re OT- Tiffany, blind DUMPED cat
Everything is fine now, we have the prescription. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.comwrote: Kelly, have you heard anything from your vet in regards to getting this poor girl on meds yet. I can't believe any vet would keep her waiting while he calculates for this long. I am at a loss for words. Each day that goes by there could be more damage occurring. Please keep us posted. Tanya --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Re OT- Tiffany, blind DUMPED cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 7:31 AM Kelly, I'm alsp very concerned about this cat. She should have gotten her meds right away, and I also believe a vet who has been practicing for that long may not be up on current treatments. All physicians and vets have to continue to read, and learn about new treatments for as long as they are in practice. Some do and others don't. They just stick with whatever they learned in vet school or med school. Lorrie On 06-22, Sharyl wrote: Kelly, I know you are waiting to hear from your primary vet but the longer the kitty goes without meds the less chance she will ever regain any of her sight. To be honest it may be to late to save her sight but the high BP needs to be addressed before any other damage occurs. Here is a link to some general info on high BP. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/high_blood_pressure.html There is a Yahoo heart group that has may be able to help with the meds and dose amounts. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ You should be able to purchase the meds at your local pharmacy with a Rx from a vet. Usually the 1st choice for cats is Amlodipine for high BP. A vet who has been practicing for over 40 yrs may not be current on what is now available for special needs kitty. If possible she needs to be seen by a specialist. Hugs to her. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Re OT- Tiffany, blind DUMPED cat
Sorry, did not mean to be so short there. The prescription is for 0.685 Amlodipine daily. We got it in flavored chews. Hoping she likes them since she will be on them for life, if not next month we can get liquid or pill form. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: Everything is fine now, we have the prescription. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 5:11 PM, TANYA NOE sashacatgodd...@yahoo.comwrote: Kelly, have you heard anything from your vet in regards to getting this poor girl on meds yet. I can't believe any vet would keep her waiting while he calculates for this long. I am at a loss for words. Each day that goes by there could be more damage occurring. Please keep us posted. Tanya --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Re OT- Tiffany, blind DUMPED cat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 7:31 AM Kelly, I'm alsp very concerned about this cat. She should have gotten her meds right away, and I also believe a vet who has been practicing for that long may not be up on current treatments. All physicians and vets have to continue to read, and learn about new treatments for as long as they are in practice. Some do and others don't. They just stick with whatever they learned in vet school or med school. Lorrie On 06-22, Sharyl wrote: Kelly, I know you are waiting to hear from your primary vet but the longer the kitty goes without meds the less chance she will ever regain any of her sight. To be honest it may be to late to save her sight but the high BP needs to be addressed before any other damage occurs. Here is a link to some general info on high BP. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/high_blood_pressure.html There is a Yahoo heart group that has may be able to help with the meds and dose amounts. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ You should be able to purchase the meds at your local pharmacy with a Rx from a vet. Usually the 1st choice for cats is Amlodipine for high BP. A vet who has been practicing for over 40 yrs may not be current on what is now available for special needs kitty. If possible she needs to be seen by a specialist. Hugs to her. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT- Venting
Ok, well, here we go with my day. My mother woke me up at 7:15 am calling me after I went to bed at 3 am. I had a friend move out of town and bring over her nice desk and filing cabinets last night, also some cat litter she didn't need. I asked my boyfriend to put the cat litter in the house, and he let Tabitha out. Now, Tabitha likes to try to get out and normally I follow her and sit down and let her come to me, but he insisted on trying to grab her and scared her. We walked the neighborhood with a flashlight and looked for her til 3 am, and still had to move the furniture in. Then, my mother called me at 7:15 am. I had to get up and clean out the Rescutiesmobile of all the assorted cat rescue paraphanalia since it has an electrical problem. It also will not start and had to be towed. So I had to haul out a 6 foot table, canopy tent, donation jars, traps, carriers, litter, litter boxes, food, and all the other assorted stuff that rescuers carry. Finally it was ready to go to the electric shop (they told me it had to be totally emptied). I called the towing service and they were 2 hours late. Called the shop and said it was on its way, they said it would be better to bring it tomorrow..um, no. Then needed to go to administer fluids to a friends' cat. Determined cat was too ill, we went to vet clinic. One person has emailed me today about taking in 3 kittens, and another an adult cat. We have no available fosters and precious little money. We found a kitten feeding while feeding ferals (the colony is completely TNRed and this was a tame kitten, so he didn't come from there). Talked to one of the other feeders and they saw a black and white kitten and fed it, but LEFT IT THERE, and apparently the MOWERS came this weekend, and it hasn't been seen since. Friend took the kitten short term and we are seeking foster. My feet hurt so bad I can't walk and Tabitha's not home yet. Well, that was several days, but still, bad. On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:09 PM, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: I want to vent, too! I've had a bad, bad day! I work at a county shelter and we have just about had it with people. A woman called today and told me that she was getting ready to call Channel 2 news about us, because we were so very rude. Why was she ticked off? Because she surrendered her dog 2 weeks ago - she and her husband couldn't tolerate the dog's destructive behavior - and we were not doing enough to get her dog adopted. U..you weren't willing to spend any time and effort whatsoever on your dog, so why would anyone else? They decided to just reclaim the dog today, since they didn't want her to be euthanized. My colleague who handled the reclaim very nicely questioned the husband about his plans for the dog. Would they work with her, train her, try to find her another home? After all, we didn't want the dog to be reclaimed only to be dumped on us again. Not exactly fair to the dog, is it? The husband said he was ready to start cursing out my coworker, and apparently a nasty email is in the works. And someone else dumped his dog because she had a hot spot, and he didn't want to pay a vet, and when we told him that we had a low-cost vet we could refer him to, the excuse was, She's too wild around the kids. We try to help them, and they counter with another BS excuse. I'm sick of it! And you guys will love this one. Last week a woman surrendered 5 kittens. It seems that THREE of her cats had litters of 7 at the same time, and she needs to round up all the kittens and bring them to us, because, of course, they all roam around outside! She then proceeded to blame the neighborhood tomcats for knocking up her females, when naturally it's her irresponsibility that got her into this mess. They are planning to bring us nearly 30 cats in all. We had to euthanize FIFTY cats and kittens last week, and just as many this week, and STILL people refuse to spay/neuter or keep their animals confined when they're in heat. This has to stop. It just has to stop. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
