Re: [Felvtalk] Different types of FeLV

[Terri Brown]

I think she may have meant the FIV vaccine.  FIV vaccines will cause the cat to 
always test positive.  That is not the case with the FeLV vaccine.
Killed virus FeLV vaccine is safe.
(The lurker comes out of the shadows for this one)

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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:06:27 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" 
To: "'Margo'" ,

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Yes - she said because after they receive the FeLV vaccination, they always
test positive for FeLV. I did not know if this was true or not. She seemed
like she knew what she was talking about - she knows a lot about animal
nutrition etc. but of course is not a vet or anything.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:12 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


 Did the Pet Store Manager say why s/he did not approve?

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:01 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

My vet never said that exactly, but the pet store manager told me the 
FeLV vaccine is not a good idea.

Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

Has anyone's vet ever advised them against vaccines for a FELV
cat, or minimal vaccines, or spacing them out, being they have a
compromised immune system?


My vet will not give vaccinations to any FelV cats, nor to any of my 
old cats.  She also does not tell me to euthanize a FelV cat. Some 
positive cats can live long lives in spite of having the virus.

It is encouraging to know that FelV is NOT a death sentence with every cat.
Usually if is fatal with kittens however, as their immune systems are 
not fully developed.


Lorrie

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Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 20:09:39 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" 
To: "'Margo'" ,
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I know... I could not believe that she told me that. And yes, her dogs
are in contact with the dogs that go to her classes and also to her doggie
day care. Maybe she had to get them vaccinated when she went on her own and
opened her own business but when she worked at a different one, they were
not vaccinated. Yes, I agree she could get in trouble too - and yet, I see
her point too.

Ardy

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Margo
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2016 5:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv


I have fed raw, but don't currently.

If the trainer's dogs have contact with clients or other dogs, s/he should
be careful. That's the kind of high profile that can bring trouble. It only
takes one person telling the "wrong" person that she doesn't vaccinate, and
she could be in deep doo-doo. 

It is possible in some states to get a "waiver" allowing a cat to not be
vaccinated for health reasons, but the cat/dog is treated as unvaccinated
and subjected to the same conditions as an unvaccinated animal.

It's a choice, but needs to be made with care. 

Margo

-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson 
Sent: Jun 9, 2016 12:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

In Wisconsin, rabies vaccinations are actually required for dogs, but 
not for cats. But a lot of vets will not treat a cat that is not rabies 
vaccinated. Since Scotchie died from a rabies vaccination, I do not 
vaccinate for it unless they make me. Cally had to have surgery to be 
spayed, so she had to be vaccinated for rabies and she came through fine.
And Topaz was already vaccinated when I adopted her.

I know a very reputable dog trainer who actually runs a doggie day-care 
and training center, and she has three dogs of her own and does not 
have them vaccinated for rabies - I have no idea how she gets by with 
it, but she believes rabies vaccinations are bad. She also is an 
advocate for feeding raw meat to her animals, and no commercial dog food.

Thank you,
Ardy Robertson, 

Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group

[Terri Brown]

LOL Lee!  Siggie LOVED tomatoes.  I could never figure that outbut he would 
eat them!  Anytime I made tomato sauce for pasta, he'd pester me to death and 
wouldn't leave me alone until I gave him a little piece of the tomato!

The first time I discovered his love for tomatoes, he did to a bag of them what 
your baby did to the bread!  I went to bed with garden fresh tomatoes in a bag 
on the table (given to me by a friend), and the next morning, there were chewed 
up, gutted tomatoes all over the apartment!  

LOL

Terri
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lee Evansmailto:moonsiste...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group


  Terri - I just love that Tomato Vampire that you added to Siggie angel's 
name. I still have a vampire cat. He's a bread vampire. I cannot leave an 
unguarded loaf of bread anywhere in sight. He once got into the laundry room 
where I left a couple of bags of groceries, including a bag with a loaf of 
whole wheat bread. When I returned, you can guess what had happened. Bread 
EVERYWHERE! Slices on the washing machine, on the dryer, mixed in with a turned 
over bag of clothes to be washed, all with bite marks. The Bread Vampire had 
struck big time. His real name is Bitsie. A tuxedo darling. I wouldn't trade 
him for all the loaves of bread in Whole Foods Market.




  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty 
neighbors too!






From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group



I haven't had any FeLV+ cats since 2005, and I'm still lurking about!

This is the best list -- some of the folks here have been here a long 
time.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 7:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group


  Absolutely right Lee.  I love this group and I'd never leave even
  if I lost my last FelV cat.

  Lorrie

  On 07-02, Lee Evans wrote:
  Losing an FeLv+ cat either by the cat passing away or wandering away 
is
  not a good reason to leave this list. At the present time I don't 
have
  any FeLv+ cats living with me although I have a few FIV+ ones. But I
  have not quit the list because new information is always cropping up
  and it's good to know it for the future. Also, these people feel like
  friends, as well as other issues are always discussed that effect 
cats
  in general.
   
  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!

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Re: [Felvtalk] goodby little one

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Penelope...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Lancemailto:lini...@fastmail.fm 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 10:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] goodby little one


  This made me cry, too. I'm so sorry that Penelope is gone. You were kind and 
loving to her, Karen, and that's an important part of this story. Without you, 
what would have happened to her? With you and your influence, she got a lot of 
love and care. Thank you.


  Lance


  On Jul 1, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Karen Harshbarger 
harshbargerka...@yahoo.commailto:harshbargerka...@yahoo.com wrote:


It is with a sad heart that I remember a little cat that came into our 
lives one cold winter morning this past winter. She lost her battle with feline 
leukemia last night. Little Squirt --- later to become Penelope (Penny) 
squeezed her way into our outside kennel and into our hearts. She was sick and 
needed help, shelter and love; which we gave without question. With medical 
care, she seemed to become better. We already had so many cats, so I put out a 
cry for help and assistance. Panora P.E.T.S.. (bless their hearts) offered to 
take her and her brother to try to help them find a forever home. They found 
them a foster home while waiting, but soon learned that Penelope had to leave 
her brother for a new foster home and a cat friend (that also has feline 
leukemia) because it was discovered she had feline leukemia. She seemed to be 
doing okay, but this horrible illness finely claimed her life. I remember a 
beautiful sweet loving cat that was so tiny and loved to be cuddled and cradled 
like a baby in my arms. Hopefully her friend that she made hereour other 
cat (Tig) that also lost his battle to this horrible illnessare now playing 
together in cat heaven and never know illness or pain again---nothing but 
happiness. Poor little Penelope never found her forever home here on 
earthbut I know she at least found love from all of those that tried to 
help her, including us. I cried when we took her to Panora but knew they could 
give her a better chance of finding a inside loving home. Penelope---know we 
will always love you and Tig, and you will forever be in our hearts.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group

[Terri Brown]

I haven't had any FeLV+ cats since 2005, and I'm still lurking about!

This is the best list -- some of the folks here have been here a long time.

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Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 7:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group


  Absolutely right Lee.  I love this group and I'd never leave even
  if I lost my last FelV cat.

  Lorrie

  On 07-02, Lee Evans wrote:
  Losing an FeLv+ cat either by the cat passing away or wandering away is
  not a good reason to leave this list. At the present time I don't have
  any FeLv+ cats living with me although I have a few FIV+ ones. But I
  have not quit the list because new information is always cropping up
  and it's good to know it for the future. Also, these people feel like
  friends, as well as other issues are always discussed that effect cats
  in general.
   
  Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
  neighbors too!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Meowko passed, and interferon alpha 2b available

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Meowko...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: I-Chun C. C. Chang mailto:changic...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, May 27, 2013 10:43 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Meowko passed, and interferon alpha 2b available


  Dear friends,

  Thank you very much for the great support over the last several weeks. Meowko 
is now an angel. She crossed the rainbow bridge on May 26th, around 8:45pm US 
eastern daylight saving time. Her passing was peaceful, but for whole my 
family, our life would never be the same without her.

  I can't stop thinking about the day I first met Meowko back in Taipei city, 
Taiwan. It was not me who adopted Mewoko; it was Meowko who adopted me. That 
was also a beautiful May day. She jumped into my window during dinnertime 
demanding the fish entree in my bento. From that day, she came every night, 
until one day she decided to stay and never left again. I didn't know anything 
of cats back to that time. I was actually very afraid of cats when I was little 
as in many Asian legends cats are evil. So I turned to one of my friend's 
friend who I knew he took care of street cats for years, asking tips about how 
to be a cat parent. This friend became my boyfriend, later my husband.

  Meowko traveled with us all the time, from Taiwan to the US 7yrs ago, and 
from Minnesota to Connecticut last year, not to mention those shorter 
trips/research trips over these years. She was good at taking airplanes, riding 
for week-long road trip, and had always been calm in front of anything. She was 
the perfect cat a geographer can ever dream for, and I always believe herself 
was a cat geographer as well. We have always been saying that she probably 
taught geography in feline schools when her humans were in sleep.

  We are going to arrange a witness of Meowko's cremation on Wednesday. She 
will always in our hearts...She is survived by her two humans and her 7 yrs old 
littermate, Jaja, who also jumped into our window several years later.

  Although Meowko had been sick over these years as she was getting old, she 
had a very good quality of life until the day before yesterday. She was deeply 
loved by many people who knew her, from many places around the world. I hope I 
could have had a little more time with her... I have already missed her so 
terribly.

  Along with some ckd medical supplies, Meowko left about 20 days' supply of 
interferon alpha 2b oral liquid 100 IU/ml strength available (expiration date, 
June 20th, 2013). If anyone needs it, we are in eastern Connecticut, you’re 
welcome to pick it up or we can drop off in reasonable traveling distance.  Or 
I can mail it to you, the only thing I ask would be that you pay for the 
shipping as it requires cool pack overnight shipping.)

  Please give your babies extra hugs for us. All the furry friends on this 
listserv are strong fighters as Meowko. I am sorry to report back today that 
Meowko didn't win her battle, but it doesn't mean others can't win. With the 
knowledge and support from members on this listserv, there is still have a very 
good chance. Please try as much as you can, and please never give up hope. It 
is the most important lesson I learned from Meowko and from the members here.


  Thank you all very much again. (And particularily, Margo, your words for us 
had encouraged us to go through the tough times...)


  with my best,
  Catherine and our little sweet angel, Meowko

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Re: [Felvtalk] New to the Group

[Terri Brown]

Hi Dyan,

We are still here!  Sometimes the list is quiet.

I have no FeLV+ kitties at present.however, I do have some experience.  I'm 
at work right now, so I cannot answer your question in detail at the moment.

There are many on the list with even more expertise than I and I am certain 
that someone will write to you soon!

Welcome to the list, although I am sorry you had to find us.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Dianne Chancemailto:dechance19...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 10:47 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] New to the Group



Hello Group, 


I just joined your service and wondered if the group is still active.  
I have been searching for people who have experience dealing with feline 
leukemia positive kitties.  My biggest question is about the testing results, 
can results be a false positive?  How many times should a kitty be tested to 
have confirmation without a doubt?  


I would appreciate your responses.  
dyan


 
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Miya Chan...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Bonnie Hoguemailto:ho...@sonic.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:50 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan


  Little _Miya Chan_ died unexpectedly Friday morning.  Apparently she was in 
kidney failure, according to the Vet.  Didn't expect her to go so soon.  Lovely 
brushed coat calico, rehabilitated feral who loved sleeping on the foot of my 
bed and would raise up her head and close her eyes when I bent to kiss the top 
of her head.  May she rest peacefully and pain free, and may we meet again.

  Your good thoughts, positive energy and prayers for Miya are appreciated.

  Thank you,

  Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Just resubscribed

[Terri Brown]

Hey Belinda!  It's been a while!  Congrats on your new additon!

Terri

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Christiane Biagimailto:ti...@mindspring.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Just resubscribed


  Welcome back, Belinda...

  -Original Message-
  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
  Belinda Sauro
  Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:09 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Just resubscribed

   Hi All,
  Apparently I wasn't subscribed anymore and didn't realize it.  I am
  subscribed again now.

  **NEWS**

  We now have a DOG, her name is Emma and we adopted her from a local rescue.
  She is a chihuahua mix.

  How has everyone been??

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  happiness is being owned by cats and Emma ...

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home - Types of cats

[Terri Brown]

LOL -- LOVE this, Lee!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lee Evansmailto:moonsiste...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 1:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home - Types of cats


  All Black - Black Cats
  Black with white patch on chest and belly - Medallion Cats
  Black Cape with White Cravat - Tuxedo Cats
Unofficial Types (I made up the names)
  White With Black Polka Dots - Spotty Cats or Cow Spot Cats
  White With Black on Head and Ears, Black Tail: Toupee Cats wearing Formal 
Tails.
  All Black Cats - Panthers
  Tabbies - Tigers
  Orange Tabbies - Pumpkin Tigers
  Grey Cats - Dust Bin Cats (some call them Russian Blues)
  Tabby and White - Cape Cats
  Pink Cat - got into the Strawberry ice cream I left on the kitchen counter 
(originally white cat)

   




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  From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home



  if u do a web search ,it shows you cats, It says they are medium size,JET 
BLACK,gleaming coat,GOLD TO COPPER EYES,sweet,facial expression.I have several 
all black cats,Naya, Ebony,Onyx,Heidi then I have black with the white on its 
chest which people call the collar in French, Bernie  Mack,Button,Zorro he has 
the white mark on his chest and below his belly,Vogue, Nikita,then I have black 
and white ones.I HAVE LAMONT who is small all black and has  those 
gold,deep orange,or copper eyes.Cathy
  From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com
  To: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com 
  Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home


  Bombay kitty?  What does that mean?

  K

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nitnoy and felv

[Terri Brown]

So sorry.

Sleep sweetly, dear Nitnoy...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: dlg...@windstream.netmailto:dlg...@windstream.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 6:07 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Nitnoy and felv


  My Nitnoy crossed over today at 12:45.She had been with me since 2008, 
survived a raccoon biting of her tail and being FELV +.  There was nothing to 
idicate whaat was going on.  During the holidays, she was not doing well so 
took her to ER.  They did x-rays and complete bloodwork.  I had told them she 
was FELV+ but they did not seem upset that she was just 1 point low on red and 
white cells.  After the holiday, I took her to my vet as she was not improving, 
had not passed urine or stool.  First thing he did was look at her anal glands. 
 They were impacted and infected.  He cleaned them out and gave her Covina and 
we brought home Orbax to be given once daily.  Everything was much better, she 
was back to her self.  Then Friday, she began hiding, not eating or drinking so 
took her to vet on Saturday.  ONE THING SHE DID THAT STRUCK ME ODD - SHE TRIED 
TO EAT THE FIRBARK THAT MY ORCHIDS ARE PLANTED IN.  Sat when we got to vet, my 
dr was not there, but his wife (also a vet) was.  She said her lymph glands 
were slightly enlarged and gums very pale.  We did another blood panel.  Her 
white cells were .98 and her red blood cells were 3.2.  Kidney and liver 
functions were normal as were creatine and bun.  We thought about going to ER 
for transfusion, but she would have to stay over the weekend in a cage and we 
decided the stress would outweigh any good it might do plus her body might just 
kill the new blood and we would be right back where we started plus stress.  
Again, gave Covina shot and started again on Orbax.  I wanted to try a tonic 
that has worked wonders on cancers, etc.  Vet said ok but keep a record of what 
I did in case it worked.  She actually seemed to improve.  I was feeding with 
an eye dropper aruond 50 ml every hour (i can ad mixed with 3 cans hot water so 
she could swallow and also to egt fluids into her.  She got around 50ml of 
tonic also.  She took a turn for the worse this am at 3:30, but then seemed to 
get better.  She was breathing easier, heart was strong and she responded to my 
voice and touch.  By 12:45, she had gone completely the opposite direction.  I 
was holding her aganst me as she seemed to like the body warmth when she gasped 
3 or 4 times and the light in her eyes went out.  I knew she was going and I 
told her it was all right.  She held on with her claws, gave a sigh and that 
was all.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues

[Terri Brown]

I don't think so.  I'm not an expert, but in my experience, these chirping 
sounds mean that kitty is inquisitive and happy.

My 2 cents.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Maryam Ulomimailto:ava...@gmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:54 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Breathing issues


  Hello,
  Kitty, the kitten I rescued from a feral mother 6 weeks ago, is making some 
chirping like sounds now. She also does some meowing and those chirping sounds 
when she jumps around or plays. Is that anything to be concerned about?
  Yesterday she did this not panting thing once and then again this am; I have 
an appointment to see the vet . But does anyone about such behavior?

  Sent from my iPhone.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon

[Terri Brown]

I used interferon with Salome'.  I started her on it when she was about 3 years 
old, and I gave it to her as often as I could get a hold of it.

Salome' lived to be 9 1/2 years old, and she died from liver failure.

Hope that helps!

T

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Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Lisa Connermailto:lisa.con...@syniverse.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:48 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon


   

   

  Hi All,

   

  I think everyone was so hung up with this politcal debate,  no one saw my 2 
questions on Interferon and the length of years a Felv + cat has lived.

   

   Ok-  so,  I joined when my 9 + year old boy, Prancer became very 
sick..literally overnight.  He breathing was extremely labored and I rushed him 
to the Emergency Vet.  They said he was critical ,  and didn't think he was 
going to make it.  May be best to put him to sleep since he was Felv+ and 
needed oxygen and and his gums were pale.  That night they extracted 3 ½ cups 
of fluid from his lungs.  Thank goodness, because that saved his life.  In the 
morning we transferred him to our regular vet and our vet thought it was his 
heart.  He was right.  The ultrasound showed a huge mass tumor at the base of 
his heart.   The vet wasn't sure how much time Prancer had, however, he said it 
might be a day or week,  depending on how much fluid built up in his lung area. 
 Within 4 days, the fluid was back and I could not have him suffer as I lost my 
Dad to the the suffering of congestive heart failure (with build up of fluid in 
the lungs).  

   

  So, my vet believes that Interferon might have helped Prancer over the years, 
since in all his years in practice,  they have not seen a cat like Prancer, 
great health  for 9 ½ years, but be Felv +.  

   

  Has anyone in this group used Interferon with their cats and what is the 
typical avg span life for Felv+ cats?  

   

  Thanks!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President

[Terri Brown]

Thank you, Maureen.  You said it better than I would have. (And I want to 
publicly thank James the list owner for asking that this OT thread stop.)

I'm here for the critters -- even though I no longer have any FeLV+ cats.  I've 
been a member here since 1998.  I don't want to have to leave the list.

Terri B, Trenton, NJ

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Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Maureen Olveymailto:molvey...@hotmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 10:52 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President


  I really think this discussion has turned to a Republican bashing session.  
We Republicans disagree with almost everything you guys have said but there's 
no point of getting into it because no amount of discussion will change your 
mind.  And that's okay because that's what makes America great - we can 
disagree without feeling the threat of reprisal.  It is interesting to hear the 
Democratic views and what things you believe but some things are just not true 
like the supposed war on women.  Mitt and Paul do not have the complete 
authority to do some of the things mentioned and many Republicans wouldn't go 
along with these kinds of things anyway.  But it's okay with me if that's what 
you believe, I just don't think we can intelligently debate all the facts when 
we are not in the inner circle.  I think we've worn the topic out and nothing 
you guys have said will make me change my mind about Obama and obviously I will 
never change your minds about Republicans so let's talk about something else 
like animal abusers and trying to get the death penalty for them.  Just kidding 
- well kind of.  

  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain


   Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 23:43:25 -0400
   From: at...@optonline.net
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President
   
   Diane R., not only are you pretty sure - you are absolutely correct!
   Not to mention what Mitt and Paul intend to do: Get rid of Planned
   Parenthood which screens women for cancer, has helped a friend of mine
   numerous times because she can't afford to go to a doctor; reverse Roe V.
   Wade, getting women killed in back alleys, adopt personhood which will
   make certain birth control illegal and criminal, overturn Obamacare but
   promises to keep pre-existing conditions clause (although it applies ONLY to
   people who have had long-time insurance, not for new applicants with
   pre-existing conditions!) and women will automatically be back at the status
   of having pre-existing conditions just because they're women,just to
   mention a few.
   An American friend is retired in Belgium and my husband just came back from
   Sweden - people there cannot believe that this is part of US politics! Even
   though many European countries are Catholic or of other religions, they do
   not meddle in people's bedrooms!
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
   Diane Rosenfeldt
   Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:23 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President
   
   Um, I don't think the guy who was President the last 4 years caused ANY of
   the problems you mention. In fact, I know he didn't. I'm pretty sure in fact
   that his predecessor did, and the new person is from that same party and
   has that same agenda. We had the worst recession since 1929, and if you've
   read any American History, that catastrophe took almost 10 years to recover
   from, and that was with Congress more or less working together.
   
   Diane R.
   
   -Original Message-
   From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
   Lisa Conner
   Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:26 PM
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: [Felvtalk] President
   
   Ok.. you are profiling and that is just plain wrong:) If we have the past
   4 yours as the next 4 years, there will be a mass revolt.
   Seriously, from mass job losses, no growth of our country, the division of
   our country, we have to take a chance on a new person:) It can't get any
   worse. That is my 2 cents!
   
   Now , back to our Felv + kitties. I am fairly new to this group and joined
   because of losing my cat, Prancer. He lived for 9+ years, a very healthy
   life. Then bang, like a whirlwind, we lost him. So my two questions to this
   group is the following:
   
   
   
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ

[Terri Brown]

Hugs, Edna.  Never an easy decision, but you know your SuzieQ best.  She will 
love you always.

(((hugs

Terri B
  - Original Message - 
  From: Edna Taylormailto:taylore...@msn.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
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  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ


  We are going to do that tonight.  I took her into the back yard this morning 
and we want to give her some time tonight to just smell the grass and enjoy the 
sunshine.



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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ


  I'm so sorry Edna. When one of my girls was near the end I would take her out 
in the front yard with me  sit in the grass  let her watch the birds. I don't 
know if that is an option for you, but it think it helped me  made her a 
little happier in the end.


  Beth


  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/




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  Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 10:24 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ



  We have tried everything and nothing is working, she is not eating at all 
anymore and I believe she is ready to go.  She looks outside and in my heart I 
know she just wants to run free so we will let her go tonight.  It hurts to 
feel like we let her down and what if we would have left her outside to run and 
play and just be a kitty?  Bringing them inside can be a double edged sword, 
they get love and warmth and food but they seem to always long for the days 
that they were outside and free :(
   
  Edna


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Re: [Felvtalk] President

[Terri Brown]

This is why I don't think we should be discussing this on this list.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 6:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


  It is true.  

  On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote:
  I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true.
   
  Terri
   

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Re: [Felvtalk] President

[Terri Brown]

I think this topic should be off limits here.

Terri
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joslin Pottermailto:joslinir...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] President


  Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone 
thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should 
choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal 
protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with 
executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their 
policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny  has 
made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that 
Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he 
has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal 
cruilty. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] President

[Terri Brown]

I just think that there are too many varied opinions to discuss politics here.  
That's all.  There is a risk of causing offense -- we are all so very different 
people, and not all of us believe the same things.

I think that the best thing to do is to read both candidate's platform.  Decide 
which one best reflects your own personal beliefs and then vote for that person.

Off my soapbox now.

T
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joslin Pottermailto:joslinir...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


  Sorry Terri I didn't mean to offend anyone, I was just curious I'm so 
confused on who to vote for, and everyone is saying something different. 


  From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.commailto:siggies...@hotmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 10:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President



  I think this topic should be off limits here.

  Terri
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] President


Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone 
thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should 
choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal 
protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with 
executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their 
policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny  has 
made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that 
Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he 
has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal 
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Re: [Felvtalk] President

[Terri Brown]

I've had family members BASH me for my beliefs.  So I prefer not to discuss 
politics, especially with people who don't really know me.

T
  - Original Message - 
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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


  Why is that?  I believe that people can have different opinions yet still be 
friends and get along and discuss their differences nicely.   I am liberal in 
some things but conservative in others, I do not vote based on party 
affiliation, I vote based on what that one particular candidate has to offer.  
Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all depends on the 
issues at hand.
   


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  Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


  I think this topic should be off limits here.

  Terri
- Original Message - 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] President


Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what everyone 
thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one should 
choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal 
protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with 
executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their 
policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny  has 
made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that 
Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he 
has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal 
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Re: [Felvtalk] President

[Terri Brown]

True enough.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Edna Taylormailto:taylore...@msn.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


  I would never bash someone for their beliefs because they are YOUR beliefs 
and I respect that.  Us cat people have to stick together whether we agree on 
candidates or not because most of the world thinks we are crazy anyway :)
   


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  Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 12:24:44 -0400
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


  I've had family members BASH me for my beliefs.  So I prefer not to discuss 
politics, especially with people who don't really know me.

  T
- Original Message - 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


Why is that?  I believe that people can have different opinions yet still 
be friends and get along and discuss their differences nicely.   I am liberal 
in some things but conservative in others, I do not vote based on party 
affiliation, I vote based on what that one particular candidate has to offer.  
Sometimes I vote Democrat, sometimes I vote Republican, it all depends on the 
issues at hand.
 



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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:51:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


I think this topic should be off limits here.

Terri
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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 10:49 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] President


  Hey guys not to get off from subject but I was interested in what 
everyone thinks about the Presidential Canidates, is their a reason why one 
should choose one over the other? Obama pledges support for nearly every animal 
protection bill currently pending in Congress, and says he will work with 
executive agencies such as the U.S. Department of Agriculture to make their 
policies more humane, according to Global Philosophy. However Mitt Romeny  has 
made no clear statements or policies on animal issues. Reports also show that 
Romney has received thousands in campaign donations from the HSUS. However, he 
has done a few things in his state for better laws in reference to animal 
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Re: [Felvtalk] President

[Terri Brown]

I don't know where you heard that Lorrie, but it's not true.  

Terri
  - Original Message - 
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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
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  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] President


  One brief thing... The Obama Care we now have is not even close to
  the way he wanted it.  He had to make too many concessions to the Republicans
  who really screwed it up.  My opinion - and you can guess who I'll vote for.

  Lorrie

  On 10-04, Terri Brown wrote:
  Well, I have a different take on the whole healthcare thing because I
  work for a health insurance company.  I understand how the business
  works.  That being said, there are good things about the Obamacare,
  but there are some things that are NOT.  So I disagree that it should
  stand as it is.  It needs to be replaced.  My opinion.  I cannot speak
  on behalf of my employer.
   
  Terri

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Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia

[Terri Brown]

My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed 
away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it.  In his case, it 
was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital.

He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking 
hospital.  Take me home.  I want to die on my couch.

So that's what he did.

Terri
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia


  I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only
  got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that.  Hospice is usually
  very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't.  Never go to
  a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive
  and they never give patients enough pain medication.  I've worked
  in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief,
  because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. 
  This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!!  


  On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote:
   My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids.


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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence

[Terri Brown]

Chiming in on this one -- I'd have her tested for urinary crystals, just to be 
sure there's no FLUTD.  If there are no crystals and there is no medical reason 
for the leaking urine, it could be behavioral.

How old is the cat?

Terri B

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Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: dot winklermailto:venus7ora...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence


  Any info on urinary incontinence in the FELV pos cat?  My cat Chloe is 
running a low grade temp since night before last.  Doc gave pill form of anti b 
(said doesn't have it in the liquid).  I gave one last night along with a bite 
to my finger!  I noticed  a trail of urine on the floor on her way to the 
litter box this morning.  I guess she missed it.  Hope we are not running into 
further complications.  


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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence

[Terri Brown]

There is a yahoo group for FLUTD cats.  Great group.  Now that I'm FeLV free, I 
have a FLUTD boy (Travis).  Lucky me.

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Samantha, 
Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Bethmailto:create_me_...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 8:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence


  Yes, I had a cat once who was doing this. She had a blockage  had to have 
surgery. It's a serious thing.


  Beth


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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 11:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence



   
  Chiming in on this one -- I'd have her tested for urinary crystals, just to 
be sure there's no FLUTD.  If there are no crystals and there is no medical 
reason for the leaking urine, it could be behavioral.

  How old is the cat?

  Terri B

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Samantha, 
  Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato 
Vampire =^..^=
- Original Message - 
From: dot winklermailto:venus7ora...@yahoo.com 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV urinary incontinence


Any info on urinary incontinence in the FELV pos cat?  My cat Chloe is 
running a low grade temp since night before last.  Doc gave pill form of anti b 
(said doesn't have it in the liquid).  I gave one last night along with a bite 
to my finger!  I noticed  a trail of urine on the floor on her way to the 
litter box this morning.  I guess she missed it.  Hope we are not running into 
further complications.  




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Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats

[Terri Brown]

I think the issue is that you did state in your initial email that you don't 
want an indoor pet cat, so you keep Buddy in an outside cage.  That makes it 
sound like you don't care.  That might not be the case -- perhaps you do love 
him -- but I would rather my kitty be inside with me where he's safe from 
parasites.

I think it's unfair of you to say that the list members who may have been 
painfully blunt (or harsh) with you are jerks.  We aren't jerks.  We just love 
cats.

Population control in the wild was handled by natural predators, which are 
becoming less and less.  There is no balance anymorewolf hunts, coyotes 
being killed, human beings encroaching more and more on wildlife habitat.  It 
all matters.  Things aren't the same now as they were 300 years ago.  
Veterinary care is easily available, so more animals survive now than then.

All we are asking is that if you cannot keep the FeLV+ female, there are FeLV+ 
sanctuaries that will care for her if you don't want her in your house.

I still think Buddy would be happier OUT of his outdoor cage and inside where 
he can be with you.  He needs companionship too.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Adamsmailto:texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 8:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats


  Hello Lorrie,


   I appreciate your message. I have been taking very good care of this 
beautiful girl. I have a cage for her litter box and food but the door is left 
open and she comes and goes as she pleases. Now as for your comment about 
people viewing my message through colored glasses let me clarify that for you. 
They not looking through colored glasses they are viewing it with their heads 
up their asses. Bunch of jerks. My cats are treated better than lots of 
children and I love them and they are part of my family. I don't know who some 
of these jerks think they are. Last I recall I didn't get a message from God 
informing me he left anyone a God and ruler of the cat population on this 
planet.


  Charles Adams



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  Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charles Adams - Breeding cats


  On 05-28, Ben Williams wrote:

   I have to believe that the message from  Charles was someone's
   idea of a joke.  That email hit just about every red flag for the
   kind of behavior that no one on this list would condone.

  It may be comforting to think it's all a joke, but this is
  exactly the way breeders are, so I think you're looking at this 
  post thru rose colored glasses.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Watch for this person In Wharton, El Campo, Richmond/Rosenberg, Sugar Land

[Terri Brown]

Charles,

I think you should follow the advice of the other posters -- get her retested, 
get her spayed and find her a home where she's wanted.  If she is truly FeLV+, 
then find her a FeLV+ friendly shelter or adopter.  It's in the best interests 
of the cat.

It would also be in the best interests of your stud to get him neutered and 
adopt him out to a home where he's wanted.  A lifetime in a cage is no life for 
a Bengal.  They need space to play as well as mental, emotional, and physical 
stimulation to be happy.  Being kept in a cage and letting him out only to 
breed is cruel -- it's torture for him.  He deserves better than that as a 
sentient being.

My 2 cents.

Terri, proud Meowmy of 5 FeLV+ angel kitties, now gone on to greener pastures: 
Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec and Salome'


  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Adamsmailto:texasgoldbu...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 1:41 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Watch for this person In Wharton, El 
Campo,Richmond/Rosenberg, Sugar Land


  Hello Everyone,


   It's been about 3 weeks now and still trying to clean up a very bad 
mistake. Here's my story! I have a beautiful male Bengal Cat name Buddy Buck 
who is registered and I have papers and pedigree back 8 generations. I want to 
breed him and just have had no luck finding a cat I could afford. I went into 
my local vet's office which happens to be my vet as well and asked if they knew 
anyone who possibly had a female Bengal cat that I could breed my cat with. The 
lady at the front desk told me she did and gave me the girl's first name and 
phone number. All I had was the name Jennifer. I called and to my surprise she 
just happened to have a 9 month old Snow Marble Bengal. I told her I was very 
interested and wanted to see the cat.
   She didn't come by that night but did call the next day and I gave her 
directions to my house. I showed her my male who by the way is behind locked 
doors and current on all of his shots. I let her know my intentions was to 
breed the two cats. She had two cats in a carrier and showed my what I was told 
was the mother and daughter. The mother was beautiful but a little thin but had 
excellent markings. Then out came the cat I was supposed to be buying. This cat 
was eye knocking beautiful and had excellent markings as well plus beautiful 
blue eyes. I knew right there I wanted the cat. I told her I was looking to 
breed out my male and we agreed to let her breed two times with my male and I 
gave her $300.00. We spoke a bit more and I was just so happy to have just made 
a deal on such a beautiful cat.
   As we spoke I gave her the money and I asked for the shot records. She 
told me she would go by the vet's and pick up a copy and drop it off. I called 
her later and asked what kind of food she had been feeding and she told me back 
to the wild. I went by to pick up some. I got home and there were not shot 
records dropped off as she told me she would. I called and no answer. I sent 
over a text and again no answer. I sat down to fill out the paper work and then 
I was shocked. I noticed the paperwork was for a cat 2 years old. I called 
again and text and again no reply. This went on for another day and a half then 
I sent over a text message telling her the next call was going to be to the 
Sheriff's Office. This time I got a reply telling me to chill her daughter had 
got into an accident. Call me crazy but her daughter was about 4 or 5 years old 
and she was only 24 so I knew something was not right.
   I called the Vet and made an appointment for Saturday morning. I took 
her in. This cat had been staying indoors in a cage and my male is outside in 
his pen. I got back horrible news. The cat came back FeLV positive. I sent over 
a text message informing this little piece of trash of the outcome and no 
response. I waited 15 minutes and sent another message informing her I wanted 
another cat tested or my money back but preferred another cat. Again no 
response. I called the Sheriff's office and turned her in. I was knocked down 
to hear was I was told. I was not the first person to complain on her. I looked 
around and found another woman who had purchased a set of blue great danes and 
the both had Parvo and were very sick. I found another person and she had 
bought a puppy that had died after a few day. I was told to run her name on 
rippedoff.com and I did. I called the Animal Shelter in El Campo, Texas and 
they knew of her by the game. I called the SPCA and they knew she had been 
turned in multiple times for selling sick animals.
   I went back to the Vet and asked for her address and they couldn't give 
it to me. I found that no one I spoke with had it. I started digging around 
getting bits and pieces of information and was getting close to where she 
lived. I then found a break. I called the Animal Cruelty department of SPCA in 
Houston 

Re: [Felvtalk] NYC: pathetic maybe-FeLV needs foster/adopter

[Terri Brown]

Good question.  If there isn't maybe we should start one!

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Samantha, 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: jbero tds.netmailto:jb...@tds.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 11:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] NYC: pathetic maybe-FeLV needs foster/adopter


  Is there a national organization that networks and unifies non kill animal 
shelters in the US?  A way to help minimize this horrible type of situation?  
It seems to me a lot of people want to help these animals but don't know how 
to.  If there was a way to unify or somehow connect all the non kills perhaps 
that would help.  Anyone know of such a thing?

  Jenny


  On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 6:26 PM, MaryChristine 
twelvehousec...@gmail.commailto:twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:

BY TONIGHT 


this is a website for cats in the NYC pound system, which is an absolutely 
horrible place. anyone who isn't sick when they get there will be. there's 
question about how much of that is the sheer number of critters who pass 
through the doors, and how much is really bad management and use of resources.


every day around 6pm EDT, they post the cats who are marked for death the 
next day--the shelters are open to serious adopters phone calls til 8pm; they 
start euthing at 6am the following day.



https://www.facebook.com/nycurgentcatshttps://www.facebook.com/nycurgentcats 


the guy we're working on is the second one from the left--if you scroll 
down a bit, you'll see his biography; his name is patrick.


the problem with these cats is that no rescue will pull them without having 
a definite, approved foster/adopter


the website has more info than i do.


MC
-- 
Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue 
(www.purebredcats.orghttp://www.purebredcats.org/)
Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)





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Re: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice

[Terri Brown]

In my experience, if the cat is obviously jaundiced, it may be too late to 
reverse it.  That being said, I am NOT a Vet or a Vet Tech, so I would 
recommend a trip to the Veterinarian ASAP.

The Vet may have your friend try liver support/treatment.  I had a FeLV 
negative though who became jaundiced and was unable to recover.  I put her 
down.  She was miserable and uncomfortable.  She was 7 years old.

Good luck

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Maureen Olveymailto:molvey...@hotmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 9:23 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitty with jaundice


  A friend of mine has two FeLV + cats, littermates about 8 months old, and one 
has developed jaundice.  He has lost a ton of weight also.  The last couple of 
days he doesn't want to eat although he's not laying around or lethargic.  
Anyone had experience with this?  Anything that can be done or is this the end 
for him?
   
  Maureen

  “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

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Re: [Felvtalk] Coco Please add to the CLS :(

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Coco...

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Samantha, 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaanmailto:sherryd...@yahoo.com 
  To: Felvtalkmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:12 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco Please add to the CLS :(


We just learned tonight that we lost our sweet little black girl Coco. 
She was a dainty lady with a big heartwe will miss you Coco
And my heart goes out to all of you who have lost a furry friend 
recently also. Thank you all for loving these special babies and thank you for 
being here for me...
Sherry


We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way 
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Re: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet S'Matter...

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Samantha, 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaanmailto:sherryd...@yahoo.com 
  To: Felvtalkmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 1:30 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] S'Matter Please add to the CLS :(


This morning we lost sweet scared S'Matterhe was quite the scaredy 
cat,but we did our best to calm his fears...he never really trusted us 
totally,but when I handed out treats I spotted him out of his hiding spot in 
the last couple monthstook pics to prove to others that he was a little 
braverwell I hope this wide eyed boy is calm and relaxed nowwe will 
miss you S'Matter  :(
Sherry


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than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?

[Terri Brown]

Sounds to me like the anemia is getting the better of him (if he was FeLV +).

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Samantha, 
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Rashel Merenessmailto:rash...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:12 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?


  Hi - I'm new and have been reading the threads but I don't seen anything that 
addresses my situation. We have an 8 month old kitty that tested positive for 
FIV (or was it FELV?) at a young age, and we plan to get him retested. He has 
been healthy, playful and had a great appetite. A few weeks ago, however, he 
started eating less and less of his kibble, which we attributed to him wanting 
only the wet food we were giving to the dog. So we kept mixing a little into 
his kibble but he was eating less but was otherwise fine. Then we went away 
over the weekend and came back to find him very lethargic and breathing very 
heavy - not making a lot of noise with the breathing, but we can see his lungs 
expanding and contracting a great deal and very quickly.  He won't eat, except 
he ate some of his favorite treats.  We had someone (who he doesn't know) 
staying at our house Friday and then a person (who he knows) stopping in on 
Saturday and Sunday. They said he didn't eat much. No mucous, no sneezing.  
Sound like anything you have experienced?




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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie

[Terri Brown]

I have to agree.  Orange cats are particularly loveable, aren't they?

Thanks again for your kind words.

T
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynda Wilsonmailto:longhornf...@verizon.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie


  All cats are very dear to me, they are a big part of my family and are 
treated that way. But all the orange kitties I've had, have been extremely 
loveable. They all leave paw prints on my heart :)
- Original Message - 
From: GRASmailto:g...@optonline.net 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie


 

 

Actually, the feral cat, Corgi, who had a blood clot, couldn't move hind 
legs at all, clot was dissolved, who has a limp now - IS orange! After he was 
treated, he became one of the most friendly cats in our household, and all the 
cats that are with him absolutely adore him - he's a real caretaker kitty! 
There's something about all cats, whether tabbies, white, orange, buff, black, 
very specific to how they look.  Natalie 

 

From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 1:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My Siggie

 

Terri,

 

So sorry for your loss of Siggie.  Orange tabbies are very dear to my 
heart! RIP, Siggie.

 

Hugs to you Terri~

Lynda

   

   


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[Felvtalk] My Siggie

[Terri Brown]

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Hello everyone,

Some of you have known me for a while -- others not.

Just writing to let you all know my healthy, non-FeLV cat Siggie has left me 
for the Rainbow Bridge.  He was the last of my original group who did NOT have 
FeLV.  He was my FeLV+ Salome's companion up until she passed in 2005 (right 
after I adopted Travis from Res-Q-Pets).

He was fine all day yesterday.  Then suddenly, he couldn't walk or breathe.  He 
was wheezing terribly, and was dragging his hind quarters behind him, soiling 
himself.  I rushed him to the local vet, who told me that he had fluid all in 
and around his lungs, was at end stage cardiac failure and had threw a clot, 
which is what paralyzed him.

The kindest thing I could do for him was to let them put him down -- but he 
ended up not needing the help.  They gave him a sedative, and before they 
injected the final shot of the pink stuff, he was gone.

Rest in peace and sleep well, my big orange boy.  Meowmy and Daddy will miss 
you forever.

  
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Siggie

[Terri Brown]

Thanks, Terrie.  I joined the list in 1999, when I lost my first FeLV+ cat, 
Samantha.  So yes -- it's been a long time.  I've been lurking since Salome' 
passed since she was my last FeLV+.

It IS heartbreaking.  I love him so much.I will miss him terribly.

T
  - Original Message - 
  From: ter...@tazzys.orgmailto:ter...@tazzys.org 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 12:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My Siggie


  Terri,
  I know I don't post very often as I do read the postings but had to respond 
to yours.
  I'm so sorry for your loss of Siggie!
  How heart breaking to lose Siggie so fast!
  I'm so glad you were with him in the time of need. Bless your heart!
  Sending hugs to you!
  It's never easy to lose our furbabies especially so suddenly.
  I remember Siggie and your time on this group. As we have been on here a very 
long time. Not sure on how many years as I've been here since 2002.
  He will be greeted by all those that have gone before him at the Rainbow 
Bridge.
  I know my late husband will be waiting for the newest angel.
  R.I.P. Siggie!



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Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind

[Terri Brown]

Sorry for the late reply.

I have no experience with this, but I want to encourage you to keep the faith 
and I hope Dubbie is able to adapt.  If you want some real encouragement about 
blind cats, read the book Homer's Odyssey.

=^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: 
Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi, and Siggie 
the Tomato Vampire =^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anne Mylesmailto:anne.my...@uni.edu 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:32 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind


  I am devastated -- my FeLV boy Dublin had major dental surgery yesterday to 
remove the rest of his teeth due to severe stomatitis and feline resorptive 
lesions (his third dental surgery in six months).  He came through OK it 
seemed, and his bloodwork turned out to be very promising (his mild anemia 
around December had reversed with his hematocrit in the middle of the normal 
range).  But something seemed off with agitation and his eyes and the vet 
realized that Dublin seems to be blind.  He did all the ocular tests they do 
and nothing physiologically can be found wrong -- no detached retina, no bleed, 
no evidence of hypoxia, etc.  But only his left eye is even minimally reactive 
to light.  The vet believes the blindness to be related to the FeLV, although 
I'm still totally confused about the suddenness of this all.

  Dublin has always had something weird about his eyes -- the pupils stay 
mostly dilated and while they constrict a little it's definitely not like a 
normal cat.  I wondered if he had an eye problem and could see well even before 
I adopted him and learned he was FeLV+.  But he seemed to see fine.

  While Dublin is physically stable he is apparently extremely agitated and the 
vet wants to keep him at the hospital until he settles down and begins to 
adapt.  He was with him until 10:30 last night and says that Dubbie has 
scarcely been out of a tech's arms since.  (He is the most loving, 
people-oriented cat, and is not stressed just from being at the vet -- it's 
almost a joke how much he likes it there.)  I am crazy with distress and also 
with anxiety about bringing him home (have another cat, pretty rowdy, and a 
dog), though everyone says blind cats can do well.

  I'd appreciate any encouragement -- or in particular any insight into a 
FeLV-blindness link.

  Anne
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Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

[Terri Brown]

First -- I'm sorry you had to find us, but I'm glad you're here.

Please try to remain as calm as possible and don't panic.  Ginger will pick up 
on that -- he might get stressed out if you're freaking out and that won't help 
him.  (hugs)

Only you can decide if it's time to let him go.  No one can make that decision 
for you -- you and Ginger kitty have to decide that.  If he's ready to go, you 
will know.

Try something smelly -- anchovy paste maybe.the juice from a can of 
tuna..see if he will take that.  If he continues to refuse food, he could 
get worse.  More than 72 hours without food and the damage could be 
irreversible.

My very first experience with FeLV: my cat was diagnosed on 10/25/1999 and I 
had to put her to sleep the very next day.  That's how I came to find this 
list.  She was so sick with the anemia that to keep her alive would have been 
cruel.  But some cats pull out of it -- some don't.  Depends on the cat.  My 
one FeLV+ cat lived to be 9-1/2 years old.  So some of them have a good life.  
I don't give up on them until the kitty tells me that they are tired and are 
ready to go.  If you think Ginger wants to fight, then give him the chance.

We have ALL been where you are.  This is an ugly disease.

Hoping with you that Ginger pulls out of this

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 6 
furangels: 
Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=

  - Original Message - 
  From: botha.marin...@gmail.commailto:botha.marin...@gmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:39 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger


  My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is 
already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but tried 
to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my 
darling suffer like this! Marinda 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to the CLS :(

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Myles...

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 6 
furangels: 
Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaanmailto:sherryd...@yahoo.com 
  To: Felvtalkmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 5:17 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to the CLS :(


Well we made it a whole 7 days into the new year before losing one of 
our wonderful Sids kids. Myles was a big gentle sweet lovin black and white 
boy.He has such a cute white chin.He will be missed at the sanctuary by us 
allI love you Myles
Sherry


We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot and Verdot' Pleases add to the CLS :(

[Terri Brown]

So sorry, Sherry..

Goodnight sweet Eliot and Verdot...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaanmailto:sherryd...@yahoo.com 
  To: Felvtalkmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 10:48 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Eliot and Verdot' Pleases add to the CLS :(


Last week we lost Sids kid Eliot,he has fought so much in the last year 
of his life...he was lucky to have a home of his own with a volunteer couple 
that takes home some of our Sids kids that need that extra attention.Love you 
Eliot.
Verdot' we lost yesterday...she was a CRAZY,goofy but sweet little 
black girl.We had the joy and honor of having the chance to love her for over 4 
years at Sids. I will miss you silly little black beauty. :(
Sherry


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than our own,
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Unable to accept its awful gaps.
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Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Buddy...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: GRASmailto:g...@optonline.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us


  I am so sorry about Buddy!  

  If you really want to talk to him, have you considered contacting a really 
good animal communicator? I have been in contact with Binkey last week, who had 
to be euthanized this morning, and in a few days, will have my AC contact him. 
Binkey was a silver colored, long-haired gorgeous cat who was selfless and 
absolutely fantastic with people and other animals!

  Natalie

   

  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Wolf, Leah R.
  Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:20 PM
  To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us

   



  This was just what I needed today.  My beloved Buddy, a felv+ Maine Coon whom 
I adopted nearly 6 years ago, died this morning.  He was about 9 years old, 
maybe more.  He had been abandoned at a shelter as a young cat and I adopted 
him to be a companion to my other positive cat.  I am grateful that the end 
came quickly and quietly, but I am heartbroken.  He was the best cat ever.  He 
came running when I called him, he slept every night In my bed and snuggled on 
my lap like a giant beanie baby, he got along patiently with the other cats we 
have taken in. He had no meow, just a croak, but had the most eloquent eyes.  
Many times I wished he could talk.  I know that a piece of him will be with me 
until we meet again. 

  Leah

  From: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Coyle
  Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:53 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] A Place For Us

   

For those who have suffered a loss of a dear pet, this tribute is one 
of my all time most favorite compassionate, hopeful, and consoling readings.   

Credit to the writer:  Terri Onorato 


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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT -Transportation Available

[Terri Brown]

I agree, Martha!  They go away because another is comingsometimes I think 
the ones that leave lead us to another little soul that needs a loving home.

John, whatever your decision, I know it will be the right one.  Follow your 
heart.

Hugs,

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furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Martha Waltonmailto:marthawal...@gmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 9:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT 
-Transportation Available


  John, I know that Tigger would want you to have your heart open to a cat in 
need (Storm).  
  You have the support of a great fellowship of cat lovers.  
  Over the past 2 years I have lost 3 cats to old age/disease and I immediately 
found 3 loving cats that needed a home.  
  Nothing will replace Tigger, but every new cat brings so much joy.
  Good luck with all things feline.  


  On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 8:06 AM, john pollack 
bucfa...@yahoo.commailto:bucfa...@yahoo.com wrote:

not sure what part of me is talking. just lost my felv boy Tigger yesterday



From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.orgmailto:ci...@furangels.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:49 AM 

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT 
-Transportation Available



Thanks for your inquiry about Storm. I'm not sure how he is with other 
cats, but I'll certainly find out. I'll get back to you as soon as I have an 
answer. 

Thanks again,
Cindy
  - Original Message - 
  From: john pollackmailto:bucfa...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 7:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT 
-Transportation Available


  is he good with other cats??


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  From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.orgmailto:ci...@furangels.org
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:34 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT - 
Transportation Available


  I was contacted by someone whose friend has been feeding a stray cat 
that's living in a seasonal mobile home park on Chincoteague Island. The park 
closes at the end of November and the person who has been feeding it is going 
to live with relatives, where the cat is not welcome. 

  The woman who contacted me is desperate to find a place for the cat by 
the end of November and she's willing to cover all vetting costs herself. 
Transportation is also available most anywhere.

  The cat is called Storm because he showed up after Hurricane Irene. He's 
a long-haired black and white neutered male. 

  If you know of anyone who can help, please contact me and I'll put you in 
touch with the woman who's trying so hard to save this poor baby. He's had a 
lot of tough breaks in his life. He deserves another chance.

  Thank you.
  Cindy

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Re: [Felvtalk] please add tigger to list

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Tigger...

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=

- Original Message - 
  From: john pollackmailto:bucfa...@yahoo.com 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 4:01 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] please add tigger to list


  I lost my little Tigger today, 1 month short of his 5th birthday. FeLV+ since 
birth. God speed, lil Tigger
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lila Rose and Roxxi Please add to the CLS :(

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet babies Lila Rose and Roxxi...

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaanmailto:sherryd...@yahoo.com 
  To: Felvtalkmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:15 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Lila Rose and Roxxi Please add to the CLS :(


We lost these two Sids girls in the last several days.
Lila Rose was a shy scared girl that was only with us for just a few 
months.
Roxxi was a beautiful Torti girl who was very quiet and sweet.I had the 
honor of loving her for just over 3 years. I was broken hearted over these two 
lovely ladies.   :(
Sherry

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Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me

[Terri Brown]

I always mixed mine.  As long as my negative was vaccinated, I didn't worry.  
All my FeLV+ babies are gone now, but the negatives are still negative.  It's 
been over 5 years since we lost our last FeLV+ cat.  Salome' was 9-1/2 when she 
died in 2005.

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
  - Original Message - 
  From: Katie Marie Armijomailto:katie.arm...@colorado.edu 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me


  My Husband I are in a similar position. We just adopted a kitten from the 
pound who had been feral before that and she ended up being FeLV+. We have two 
other cats and they hadn't had any other contact before the positive test and 
since the test we have continued to keep them separated. Euthanizing was never 
even an option in our minds. She is such a healthy happy kitten it just didn't 
make sense. We are currently in the process of vaccinating our other two cats. 
But despite the vaccination out vet advised not letting them have any contact 
with the kitten ever. We planned on keeping them in separate rooms forever. Now 
seeing what John just wrote we wondering how often it is that people interact 
their FeLV+ cats with non infected cats and never see their other cats get 
infected.  


  Good luck with your kitten. She will be a wonderful addition to your family. 
:) 




  On Nov 7, 2011, at 4:02 PM, john pollack wrote:


If the kitten is healthy, do not put it down. FeLV cats can live good 
lives. My Tigger is almost 5 now. Had been healthy for the whole time, until 
last month when he developed stomach cancer. He is still here, doing fine now. 
Also, have 5 other cats. had them vaccinated, and to this day, none are FeLV+




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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
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Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me


I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
euthanized the cat and that she wasn't sure about false positive and whether 
retesting would be worthwhile. The cat also has hookworms.  When I took the cat 
in, she suggested that I give it its vaccinations before waiting for test 
results.  I asked if the cat turned out postitive, wouldn't this harm its 
immune system.  she said no.  Now when she called she said she was surprised 
that the cat tested positive since, other than the sore gums, which she 
attirbuted to teething and bad breath, she said it seemed healthy.  It does 
seem healthy , eats well and plays. and is the sweetest cat, loving and 
intelligent.  I am heartbroken about this. I'm sorry I haven't had time to read 
all archives but I work from home and also take care of my bedridden elderly 
mother.  Is there anyone out there would be kind enough to give me some advice? 
Thank you. PS  the test done was elisa and it just says positive the vet 
estimates the cat is from 5-6 months old.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Autumn...

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  From: Susan Angmailto:sea7...@gmail.com 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 7:33 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat


  My cat Autumn died last night due to complications arising from Feline 
Leukemia. She was four years old. In her short life she was a joy to us, a 
beautiful, highly intelligent little cat. I can't believe she's gone. I had 
almost fooled myself into believing that I might get to keep her for a very 
long time, but the disease won. We are grief-stricken.  I joined this list in 
2007 after searching everywhere for information and support for FELV owners. 
I'm so glad it exists. I've drawn a lot of support and knowledge over the years 
- even when just lurking. I just wanted to add Autumn to the list. She was 
precious, loved to cuddle, watch Baby Einstein and steal pizza. My home will be 
so empty without her. I love you, baby girl. 
  ~Susan Ang
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sids kid??

[Terri Brown]

I don't know what it is either!

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 7:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sids kid??


  For months I've been wondering what a Sids kid was. I knew they were
  FelV cats, but did not know what SIDS meant.  I'm glad someone else
  asked first..  I thought I should know :-)  Lorrie

  On 11-03, Marcia Baronda wrote:
  That's what I was wondering(-:
   
  On  Nov  3,  2011, at 7:40 PM, kat parker [1]korruptaki...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   
  Oh, I am so sorry to hear this!  You go through this so much.  Please,
  may  I ask you, what is a Sids kid, besides the obvious of being one
  of your FeLV+ kitties?

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Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten/QUESTION

[Terri Brown]

Keep the negative up to date on shots and he should be fine.  My opinion.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: dot winklermailto:venus7ora...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten/QUESTION


  But what about mixing when the healthy male cat likes to bite and plays rough 
with the FELV pos cat?  They wrestle, lick, groom together and bite/nip as they 
play and cuddle and sleep together.   Has anyone had mixed cats that do this 
and my question is, is it safe in that situation?  It's one thing if they are 
all just hanging out but if there is close contact, what is the consensus?  Is 
that a safe situation for mixing the positive and negative ones?  Curious to 
know.  Please respond.  Dotty  - Freehold



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  From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten


  Ditto. I've mixed mine for years, had negatives re-tested numerous times  
all is well. I even had an FIV positive cat who mixed with my FelV cats for 10 
years. He never got it, either.
  You might search the archives on mixing for more info.


  Beth

   Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.orghttp://www.furkids.org/




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  From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 8:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten

  I have 2 positives, one of them over 12 years old, the other about 2
  or 3.  Both of them have been intermingling with my negatives
  (currently 8 of them) for years.  I keep the negatives up to date on
  vaccinations and haven't yet had one turn positive although I kept the
  very young cats away from them until they were older and thru the full
  series of vaccinations.


  On 10/8/11, john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.commailto:bucfa...@yahoo.com 
wrote:
   My cat, Tigger is almost 5. he was born with FeLV. he lives with my other 5
   cats, ranging in age from 1 to 15. none of the others have teste=d positive,
   and they are checked yearly
  
  
  
   
   From: JoAnn Fredo lt;jufr...@yahoo.commailto:jufr...@yahoo.comgt;
   To: 
quot;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgquot;
   lt;felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orggt;
   Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 7:19 PM
   Subject: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten
  
  
   Message body
   I was apart of this list 09/2000 when my husband and I adopted 3 kittens,
   and all tested positive. We lost little Vinnie at 8 months due to lymphoma,
   Molly developed lymphoma and we treated it. She lived 4 years, the lymphoma
   never came back, the feline leukemia took her life. Toots lived 9 years, no
   problems until the last month of his life he developed bone cancer. All 3 of
   my babies received interferon and dimethylglycine every night. Two years ago
   we adopted 2 more kittens, they were negative. This past Friday my
   neighbor's daughter found a cute orange tabby kitten and asked us if we
   wanted him.  He tested positive, but it is not in his bone marrow. I have
   everyone separated, and am looking for a home. I know may people mix
   positive with negative cats, can you please tell if there are success
   stories out there or if negative cats became positive. Thanks, Jo Ann
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Miller

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Miller...

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  From: Edna Taylormailto:taylore...@msn.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:12 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Miller


  Well, after trying one round of chemo last week Miller seemed to have a bit 
more pep in his step and was eating like a champ but then on Tuesday, he didn't 
want to eat so I force fed him and yesterday morning we took him in, vet gave 
him subQ fluids and vitamins.  I had an uneasy feeling all day and when I got 
home I immediately went to where I knew he would be, behind the entertainment 
center.  He wouldn't move, he would not lift his head and when I picked him up, 
he just hung limp in my arms.  I knew then that it was time to let him go.  
Fortunately, Dr. McCann was still at the office and she helped him cross over.  
We may still have a house full of furbabies but his leaving has left a hole in 
our hearts.
   
  I shall see beauty but none to match your living grace, 
  I shall hear music but none as sweet 
  as the song with which you loved me, 
  I shall fill my days but I shall not, cannot forget. 
  Sleep soft, dear Miller. . .

  1999-2011
   
  Edna, Frank and the Nuisance

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[Terri Brown]

The have controlled deer hunts in Princeton, NJ (about 20 miles from where I 
live) every year.  They claim it's for the safety of the residents.   They also 
claim that we are overpopulated.  Which is hogwash -- humans took over their 
natural habitat, so we kill them just to thin out the herd?  Puh-leeze.  Ticks 
me off.  They send snipers and sharpshooters to kill them with bolt-like 
bullets.   They make a big thing out of it every year on the NJ talk radio.   
Those people in Princeton are more concerned with how their lawns look than 
they are about the deer -- and yet they shop at Whole Earth Center and won't 
eat anything that isn't organic.  Hypocrites.

T
  - Original Message - 
  From: Nataliemailto:at...@optonline.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


  Actually, the deer aren't responsible for overpopulation; they are managed
  for maximum sustained yield, for only one reason: to supply better hunting
  opportunities and revenues from hunting license fees. If they were left
  alone, their numbers would be normal, and just enough to fill the biological
  carrying capacity of an area that can sustain their numbers. And, yet, you
  always hear: Isn't it kinder to kill them than to let them starve?  Then why
  would they want such skinny deer?  Because they really care only about that
  rack, and a few lbs of meat are irrelevant.

  -Original Message-
  From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:02 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

  It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many
  deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I
  worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn
  on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me
  sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful
  animals.
  - Original Message -
  From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.commailto:felineres...@frontier.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


   On 09-12, dot winkler wrote:
  Hysterical!   L.O.L.  I love it.  The thing is, yes, some of them hunt
  and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At
  least  they  are  eating the deer.  But the thing is, the animal is so
  beautiful  a creature to behold and so delicate.   How can anyone have
  the  heart  to  kill  them?  They are graceful and grace our woods and
  lands.   To  see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight.
  I don't see how anyone could do it.

   _
  
   I could never kill a deer.  Many deer come to our yard, and they are 
   so beautiful.  Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them.
   It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally 
   it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected.  She still comes 
   to our house, and still keeps up with her group.  She's an amazing, 
   brave little doe and we call her Tripod.
  
   Lorrie
  
  
   Tripod and she
   in
   our yard
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters

[Terri Brown]

I don't like the idea of hunting for sport either.  Makes me sick.  I have less 
of a problem with the ones who eat what they killbut still.  I'd rather be 
a vegetarian than kill for meat any day.

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  From: Lorriemailto:felineres...@frontier.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters


  Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers.
  No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them
  in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they
  think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting
  accidents where some jerk head hunter shot his buddy instead of the
  deer!!

  Lorrie


   On 09-12, Natalie wrote: 

   What really pisses me off when those damned hunters refer to
   themselves, and are referred to as the only real
   conservationists...what a joke!
   

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Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

[Terri Brown]

so sorry...you did your best.

Goodnight, sweet Fletch...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:26 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch


  Hi everyone

  Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard time 
breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we didn't 
make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to suffer like 
that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year old. He was 
loved so very much during his short life.

  Thanks for all your help
  Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Black Tom...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: dlg...@windstream.netmailto:dlg...@windstream.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 12:03 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week


  When you take the time to help, never blame yourself for what you did or did 
not do.  You tried and that is morethan others did.  You gave love.
   Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.netmailto:ho...@sonic.net wrote: 
   Kelley
   
   So sorry for the loss of Black Tom.  Each cat is special and their life
   counts.  It is so difficult to tell when to intervene sometimes.  I hope his
   helper comes to see it is not her fault, and to appreciate the times they
   spent together.
   
   Peace.
   
   ~Bonnie
   

   
   From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
   [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
   Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:26 AM
   To: felvtalk
   Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
   

   
   His feeder is devastated.  I am sure she blames herself for not taking him
   to the vet sooner.  Thanks very much to those of you who offered him
   sanctuary.  I can always depend on this list for help.
   
   Kelley
   
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   Please help Trooper!
   

   
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   And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they
   can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they
   should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue.
   

   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV

[Terri Brown]

I agree.  I mixed positives and negatives since 2001 and never had a problem.  
Just as long as your negatives are vaccinated, they should be fine.  I see no 
need to segregate them.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Gloria B. Lanemailto:gbl...@aristotle.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 2:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV


  Same here.  When I first got an FELV cat, I was paranoid. But that was in 
2001. Many of us don't think it's as contagious as is presented.  I've mixed 
mine with my others for several years, no problem.  All mine are altered and 
sit around and eat and sleep.  


  Some of what I've learned is1) they may live a long time, may not,   2) 
they're not that contagious,  3) double positives (FIV/FELV) don't live as 
long,4) If they're born with FELV they tend to die at 2.5-3 yrs old,  
5) interferon and stuff like that are worth a try.  Oh yeah, and always 
questions your vets advice   :)


  Gloria




  On Sep 7, 2011, at 1:25 PM, CATHERINE DIDONNA wrote:


  The virus isn't airborne. 
  it has to get into the bloodstream. I have a couple of FELV cats,but 
they r with my other cats. 

  --- On Wed, 9/7/11, April Johnson 
cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: April Johnson 
cupcake292...@yahoo.commailto:cupcake292...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV
To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011, 2:16 PM


Hi Dot, 

This is all new to me too.  I do have other cats at home, Spicy 
lives in a bedroom by herself.  She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree 
and a sofa.  Spicy has had no signs of the illness.  So I didn't know she had 
it.  I adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week 
later.  The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test 
done because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no 
idea.  So for a week she was with my other cats.  I just looked it up there are 
6 stages of FELV.  Spicy is in stage 5. 

From: dot winkler 
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To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV


Hi April - I just read your mail.  My cat, Chloe, female one year 
old, pretty gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive.  I have known since 
June when she had a fever.  She has stabilized and is doing so well now.  Very 
healthy and playful.  She is a little squirt, i call her.  I have been 
looking for a home for her since I have two other negative cats and have to 
keep them separated.  She is so cute.  i hated to just put her down so figured 
i would give it a shot to see if i could adopt her.  Do you have other cats at 
home? How is your cat doing now?  You said it's in her bone marrow.  Are there 
different stages?  I am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first 
cat I have ever had in 30 years that has the leukemia.  So, it is all new to me 
also.   Dot (freehold, NJ)


From: April Johnson 
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To: 
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felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update


Hi,

A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted 
from animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV.  I was 
questioning whether to get her a friend or not.  Last week I had her blood sent 
out to confirm if she really had FELV.   Well her results came in yesterday, 
it's in her bone marrow.  I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm 
unsure what to do with my house already full.  I think I would need to adopt 
another cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right?  I've never had a 
FELV+ cat, so I don't know what to do.

April  

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Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT

[Terri Brown]

Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I see no 
reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've mixed mine in 
the past and never have I had a negative become infected.

My 2 cents.

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  From: dot winklermailto:venus7ora...@yahoo.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT


  Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the disease  
Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the 5 stages?  What 
does it mean?  I think I heard that if your cat can make it through all five 
stages, then they have developed an immunity to the disease.  Anyway, how is it 
keeping your cat apart from the others?  My cat is so lonely.  It breaks my 
heart.  She wants to play with the others. Esp the male cat who she knows from 
the clan where i rescued the two of them.  I really would love to adopt her 
out.  Just having a hard time finding someone.  P.S. - I like the name Spicy!  
It is cute.  Dot



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  From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV


  Hi Dot, 

  This is all new to me too.  I do have other cats at home, Spicy lives in a 
bedroom by herself.  She has two windows to look out of, a cat tree and a sofa. 
 Spicy has had no signs of the illness.  So I didn't know she had it.  I 
adopted her the first weekend in June and took her to the vet a week later.  
The receptionist at my vets was the one that stressed getting the test done 
because she knew that the shelter I adopted her from didn't test, I had no 
idea.  So for a week she was with my other cats.  I just looked it up there are 
6 stages of FELV.  Spicy is in stage 5. 

  From: dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 2:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update/MY CAT NEEDS HOME WITH FELV


  Hi April - I just read your mail.  My cat, Chloe, female one year old, pretty 
gray/black/caramel tabby, is also positive.  I have known since June when she 
had a fever.  She has stabilized and is doing so well now.  Very healthy and 
playful.  She is a little squirt, i call her.  I have been looking for a home 
for her since I have two other negative cats and have to keep them separated.  
She is so cute.  i hated to just put her down so figured i would give it a shot 
to see if i could adopt her.  Do you have other cats at home? How is your cat 
doing now?  You said it's in her bone marrow.  Are there different stages?  I 
am not sure totally about the disease as this is the first cat I have ever had 
in 30 years that has the leukemia.  So, it is all new to me also.   Dot 
(freehold, NJ)


  From: April Johnson cupcake292...@yahoo.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 12:46 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Update


  Hi,

  A couple of weeks ago I posted about my cat Spicy who I had adopted from 
animal control unaware she hadn't been tested for FELV/FIV.  I was questioning 
whether to get her a friend or not.  Last week I had her blood sent out to 
confirm if she really had FELV.   Well her results came in yesterday, it's in 
her bone marrow.  I still haven't decided on a friend for her yet, I'm unsure 
what to do with my house already full.  I think I would need to adopt another 
cat with it already in their bone marrow too, right?  I've never had a FELV+ 
cat, so I don't know what to do.

  April  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hemy has a home

[Terri Brown]

Sounds like another successful feline meownipulation!

Congratulations, Meowmy!

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  From: Bonnie Hoguemailto:ho...@sonic.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 1:31 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Hemy has a home


  Just an update on that little feral cat I took from my dear aunt's house..

  After going to Forgotten Felines for spay (already spayed), partial tail 
amputation and general health check, Hemy lived in a pen on my deck for 
nearly a month. I would get my upper body in the pen and we would have a 'love 
fest' of petting, purring, head-butting and cuddling.  Clearly: not a feral 
cat.  So I left the pen door open yesterday.  She sniffed all around the yard, 
circled several times, returned to the pen to eat and sleep in her favorite 
bed.  I called FF about finding her a home, but I think this is her home, and 
I'm her person.  I love this little cat.  I suspect she has some health issues, 
but I'm delighted to give her a home and in return have her friendship.

  By the way, my dear aunt passed away on Aug. 24.  I visited her the evening 
before and she said then the same thing she said every time I saw her:  I'm so 
GLAD you have the cats.  Then she'd ask about them and I'd tell her how each 
one was doing and how wonderful they are.  It was obviously important to her 
that her animals were being cared for, and I think the fact that it was me ('in 
the family' and a known cat lover) helped.   I'm happy that my taking her cats 
made her happy and gave her a little peace in her time of transition.

  ~Bonnie 

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

[Terri Brown]

Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came with 
a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:  
Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty to 
animals.

Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.

And I'd do it again.

I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.

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  From: Nataliemailto:at...@optonline.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors


  I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most 
devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken 
doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder how a 
cat would feel if 

  he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their 
paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that 
Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they 
either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the 
corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have a copy of an 
article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes 
about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was being 
scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is 
heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will scan it 
and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory 
details of declawing.

  Natalie

   

  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

   

  Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email 
program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.

  I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death 
after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them.  
Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.  

  On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie 
at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net wrote:

  OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going 
crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW!

   

  There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed.I 
guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead 
of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants' own 
furniture!

   

  I would rather give my cat away than declaw it - especially when it's an 
older cat - it's so much harder on them (not that it isn't on young(er) cats).

   

  There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the 
psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be.  We have had a few 
abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them...but all the 
damage had already been done, and what was I to do - throw them out or kill 
them?  I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the 
problems as well as they could.

   

  From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM


  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors

   

  Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough 
to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to 
require declawing.

  On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie 
at...@optonline.netmailto:at...@optonline.net wrote:

  That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with
  claws.  Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or
  scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old.  And as I said, bites are a
  natural defense for declawed cats!

   


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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Terri Brown]

AWESOME

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  From: katskat1mailto:katsk...@gmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt


  Gee!  Now you got me started on another topic.  Speaking of Homer's
  Odyssey, I recently rescued a kitten less than 5 weeks old.  Eyes and
  nose all gooey.  Siblings either run over or died shortly after being
  taken off the road.  The person who rescued her called me cause she
  knew I was a cat person and didn't know what to do.

  I cleaned her up and when I got the gunk off her face she had one eye
  bulging and sightless and the other apparently sightless.  2 days
  later (right after July 4), I took her to my vet for emergency
  surgery.  She had to remove both eyes because of severe infection BUT
  she tested negative for FeLV.  Awful young to assume I know but I had
  her do the test anyway.  A couple days ago I took her in for her shots
  and had her tested again.  Still negative.  I will have her tested one
  more time when she goes in for spay.

  Her name is Koko because:  1.  Koko is American Indian (Blackfoot)
  word for 'night' which she will always be in.  2.  Koko was the name
  of the first gorilla taught American Sign Language for the blind and
  had a huge vocabulary.  3.  Koko used her vocabulary to convince her
  humans she wanted a kitten.  A REAL kitten.  She got one, and she
  loved it and other kittens she adopted over the years.  COOL?

  Koko is the bravest, most ornery, energetic kitty I remember having.
  She has memorized the house, attacks the dogs and other cats from
  hiding places, plays with the cats, plays with the dogs, (who seem to
  realize she can't see and play gently), jumps off high places once she
  has gotten familiar with them (my bed, the back of the couch), and is
  having a blast with life.  I doubt she has ever been able to see cause
  she was dumped while so young.  Next month she gets spayed and has an
  umbilical hernia repaired then, I am hers and she is mine forever!

  I gotta get/read that book.

   kat
  ^   ^
==




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felineres...@frontier.commailto:felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
   On 08-24, Natalie wrote:
  Welcome to 70 - I'll be 71 in December!  Great age, isn't it?
  
   It's great to know quite a few of you are in your 60's or 70's.
   Now I don't feel quite so bad being 78.
  
   Lorrie
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Terri Brown]

I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected.  I understand that they are 
meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect.  This is why I am 
such a fan of Temple Grandin.  She got it right.

I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the 
cruelty they get like this.  I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated.  It 
is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of 
cattle.  There are more humane ways to slaughter them.

My 2 cents.

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  From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt


  tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the 
horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had 
overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the 
road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so 
Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I 
thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I 
got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are 
bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told 
them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on 
the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it 
happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is 
a crying shame.


  On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 
katsk...@gmail.commailto:katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
animals for several years now.

Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for
a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun
in an enclosed trailer.  One of the horses was neighing and kicking so
hard the trailer was rocking.  I went inside and found her, told her
one of the horses was distressed and I felt she shouldn't have left
them in the direct sun while they trooped inside to eat.  She told me
she was trying to get the girls out but they weren't finished eating
yet.  I told her that is why it is called fast food.  She could order
the food and they can eat in the truck.  Suffer - your horses are!

She seemed to be a bit miffed at me!  Said very un-4H-like words!

Sigh.

Tee hee.

Wonder what I'll be like at 80?

kat


On 8/23/11, Lorrie 
felineres...@frontier.commailto:felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
 On 08-23, Marcia Baronda wrote:
You  know  what?  I'm getting that way too!  It must be getting older.
Ya  know,  I know this sounds really crazy, but I kind of like getting
older, there ARE perks.

 Yes, that's one of the few good things about getting old!
 I'm 78 now and I tell people exactly what I think of them
 if they are irresponsible or unkind to animals.

 Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Terri Brown]

You're right, Natalie -- we COULD do better.  But Dr. Grandin has the right 
idea.  That's all I'm saying.  Animals deserve our respect, no matter what the 
species.  they are individuals, after all.

My husband will NEVER give up meat.  We've talked about it.  Won't happen.  As 
for myself, I am very aware of what happens with a lot of animals in line for 
slaughter.  Wouldn't it be wonderful if slaughter houses were REQUIRED to 
humanely handle the animals?

There really is no excuse these days for this kind of cruel treatment -- not 
with what we know now about the minds of animals.

You didn't upset me -- I completely understand why you feel the way you do.  I 
don't buy fur or leather either whenever I can avoid it.  If I can find what I 
need in a synthetic or plant based material, I'm good with that.

T
  - Original Message - 
  From: Nataliemailto:at...@optonline.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 9:51 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt


  Sorry to stray into this area, but we were on this thread:

  My solution to this came in 1985, when I read a Rodale book by a reporter 
whose experience, while writing about all the animal issues from fur to 
veganism, was to become vegetarian himself.  I looked at our dogs and cats, and 
wondered why I wouldn't wear their fur..so I gave away my lousy fur coat.  Then 
I read about factory farms, and again, looked at our animals, and thought, gee, 
chickens are adorable and intelligent, cows have the most beautiful big 
expressive brown eyes, etc. - that spring, I went cold-turkey, along with my 
husband.  When I was little, we used to live on a farm in Austria in the Alps 
over the summers, I made friends with chickens, a cow, a horse, a pig named 
Susie, and when the farmer had to send the cow for slaughter because she 
stopped producing enough milk, he cried. I also saw a goat slaughtered at the 
adjacent farm, and all those pleasant and unpleasant memories flooded my mind. 
That was the easiest decision to make, but the worst time because being 
vegetarian then was so much harder than it is now.  Just as much terror and 
abuse of animals is present in the chicken, turkey, pig production as for beef, 
it just takes a different form.

  Unfortunately, I'm not too keen on Temple Grandin, as you can imagine.it 
could be a lot better, and the problem is that the majority of slaughter houses 
don't even use her methods.too expensive.they care only about the bottom line, 
no matter how they treat the animals, whether in the factory, in transport, the 
dead pile, and the methods of slaughter..Amen!

   

  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:15 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

   

  I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected.  I understand that they are 
meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect.  This is why I am 
such a fan of Temple Grandin.  She got it right.

   

  I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the 
cruelty they get like this.  I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated.  It 
is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of 
cattle.  There are more humane ways to slaughter them.

   

  My 2 cents.

   

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- Original Message - 

From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com 

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM

Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

 

tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for the 
horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had 
overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the 
road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so 
Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I 
thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I 
got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are 
bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told 
them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on 
the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it 
happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is 
a crying shame.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 
katsk...@gmail.commailto:katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
animals for several years now.

Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs

Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Terri Brown]

Hi Marcia,

I don't think re-testing is ever a bad idea, but in order to truly determine 
where his FeLV is as far as infection goes, a bone marrow aspirate would have 
to be done.It's been 6 years since I've had a FeLV+ baby here, and I was 
inactive on this list for quite some time.  I recently reactivated because I 
missed reading about the kitties.

His grouchiness could have everything to do with the fact that he's blind.  I 
think once he adjusts, and once he is completely familiar with his surroundings 
he may be just fine.  If you never read the book Homer's Odyssey, you should. 
 That kitty had to have his eyes removed when he was a kitten, and he adjusted 
quite well.  Wonderful story.

I never give up hope that my husband will one day agree to give up meat.  Or at 
least drastically cut down on the amount.  He'd eat beef every day if he had a 
choice.

T
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 11:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt


  Terri

  I know this sounds crazy, but 20 years ago, after watching City Slickers 
where Billy Crystal saved Norman the calf from the rapids, I turned to my 
husband and said I am never eating beef again. And I never have. Chicken pork 
and fish followed a few months later. I certainly have learned newer ways to 
cook! I am a big fan of Temple Grandin...have two of her books. She is an 
amazing woman. it was from one of her books that I larned that cats can't calm 
down as fast as dogs because of their frontal lobes. But I still foret that 
sometimes and end up getting scratched or bit. That's OK.
  Fletch is exceptionally grouchy today. He swatted at one of the other cats 
today and continually growls at me(-;  I asked my vet about retesting him and 
she said it's not necessary since he's already cliically ill. I know after 
reading everything all of you have posted that you don't agree. that is why I 
am here, for outside help from people that have years of experience with this. 
I will have him retested of course. Do you think his grouchiness is from not 
feeling well, or could he have some neurological issues? I know that he has 
totally lost his sight and I'm sure that is really scary to him, poor little 
guy.He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that indefinitely. Do 
you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone. What are you opinions??

  Take care everyone
  Marcia


  On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Terri Brown 
siggies...@hotmail.commailto:siggies...@hotmail.com wrote:

I agree, Marcia -- livestock should be protected.  I understand that they 
are meant for food for people, but they still deserve respect.  This is why I 
am such a fan of Temple Grandin.  She got it right.

I find myself more and more unable to eat beef lately..because of the 
cruelty they get like this.  I wish ALL beef cattle were humanely treated.  It 
is a crying shame that in 2011, we are still so barbaric in our treatment of 
cattle.  There are more humane ways to slaughter them.

My 2 cents.

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  From: Marcia Barondamailto:marciabmar...@gmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:47 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt


  tsk tsk to her for those un 4H words and GOOD FOR YOU for speaking for 
the horses! On the local news one day they showed a cattle truck that had 
overturned on the turnpike in Topeka. They wer bulldozing those cattle off the 
road. They were crying and a lot of them had been severely injured. I was so 
Pd that I could not sit down as I called the station and told them what I 
thought. they ask if I was mad that they showed that. I said no, I was glad I 
got to see what goes on, what happens to animals who are hurt. they are 
bulldozed. I could not believe my eyes. than I promptly e=mailed KDOT and told 
them what I thought. Apparently I wasn't the only one. There was an apology on 
the newscast that night and a promise to have a veterinarian present if it 
happened again. Livestock does not fall under the Animal welfare Act, which is 
a crying shame.


  On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 6:30 PM, katskat1 
katsk...@gmail.commailto:katsk...@gmail.com wrote:

I will be 63 next month and I have been telling people off about
animals for several years now.

Just did it yesterday to a woman who took her 4H'rs into McDonalds for
a relaxed, air-conditioned treat while FIVE horses sat in direct sun
in an enclosed trailer.  One of the horses was neighing and kicking so
hard the trailer was rocking.  I went inside and found her, told her
one

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Being blunt

[Terri Brown]

ROFL

I could try, but I'm a good cook -- he'd know I did it on purpose!

T
  - Original Message - 
  From: Nataliemailto:at...@optonline.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:44 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Being blunt


  I have a thought - can you cook the beef to taste really awful?

   

  From: 
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:00 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

   

  Hi Marcia,

   

  I don't think re-testing is ever a bad idea, but in order to truly determine 
where his FeLV is as far as infection goes, a bone marrow aspirate would have 
to be done.It's been 6 years since I've had a FeLV+ baby here, and I was 
inactive on this list for quite some time.  I recently reactivated because I 
missed reading about the kitties.

   

  His grouchiness could have everything to do with the fact that he's blind.  I 
think once he adjusts, and once he is completely familiar with his surroundings 
he may be just fine.  If you never read the book Homer's Odyssey, you should. 
 That kitty had to have his eyes removed when he was a kitten, and he adjusted 
quite well.  Wonderful story.

   

  I never give up hope that my husband will one day agree to give up meat.  Or 
at least drastically cut down on the amount.  He'd eat beef every day if he had 
a choice.

   

  T

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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Terri Brown]

I agree.

I had a FeLV+ cat that lived to 9-1/2 years.  It's not a death sentence.

I also mixed FeLV and non-Felv, without ever having one of my negatives get the 
disease.  Make sure your negatives are current on boosters, and you should be 
fine.  If you can take in a FeLV+ baby for a companion for Spicy, I think that 
would be great!

You need to find a vet with a more progressive attitude toward this disease.  
It's manageable.  

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  From: MaiMaiPGmailto:maima...@gmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:49 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


  I'd get her a friend and a new vet.

  On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:38 PM, April Johnson wrote:


In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after being 
adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know when I 
adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it.  
Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me to put her to 
sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't do it she was 
only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home.  She has a 
cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is lonely being by 
herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile 
litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was 
thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our 
area that takes in FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding 
because it could make Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week 
to get retested for FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn 
negative.  If she is still positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her 
a friend?? 

April 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Jager Please add to the CLS :(

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Jager...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaanmailto:sherryd...@yahoo.com 
  To: Felvtalkmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:55 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Jager Please add to the CLS :(


We lost our sweet Sids kid Jager last night to intestinal lymphoma. I 
got to tell him good bye and that I loved him. And rubbed his beautiful littlr 
black ears with the white stripes.
He had the coolest ears and purrsonality.He was all black except each 
ear had white stripes,my fiance' couldn't believe it was reall and that someone 
bleached them.Well for the 4 1/2 years we had him,his ears ALWAYS stayed the 
same :). He always has some kind of issue going on but always overcame it and 
was a happy boy. We spoiled him with baby food everyday just because he was 
Jager. I will miss this precious little guy. I love you sweet Jager.
Sherry


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Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

[Terri Brown]

I would say, check with your local Petsmart of Petco and ask the rescues if 
they have room for an abandoned, already spayed cat.  If none of their fosters 
have room, perhaps they have a foster your own pet (FYOP) program, and you can 
find her a forever home.  The rescue group I work with has FYOP, and can 
sometimes even provide a large kennel/cage to keep the cat separate from your 
own clowder.

Hope this helps.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Bonnie Hoguemailto:ho...@sonic.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:05 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma


  Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I'm literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.

  The problem is that my aunt (who's tame housecat I took) also had a feral 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).

  Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) 'person' had just abandoned her!

  So here's the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she's in a strange 
place.  The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her 
back to my aunt's house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will 
happen, where she will find food, and the next 'trapper' may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.

  I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.

  But what would YOU do?

  Thanks for your thoughts.

  ~Bonnie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rafferty Please add to the CLS :(

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Rafferty...

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  From: Sherry DeHaanmailto:sherryd...@yahoo.com 
  To: Felvtalkmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 7:08 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Rafferty Please add to the CLS :(


My heart is heavy and hurting tonight,I had to let my beautiful 
Rafferty go to the bridge. Raff was my 1st Sids kid that I brought into my 
heart and home almost 5 years and 8 months ago. I brought him home just a few 
seconds from midnight NYE 2006. He chose me when I was talking to another cat I 
heard this pllluuurrp behind me,I turned around and saw this crazy Dr Seussish 
looking cat and asked him if he was talking to me...his response  
puurrrpI was hooked he was mine or I was his  :) 
He was also a milkaholic...he would stalk you in the kitchen if you got 
the milk out and did not give him someone of my fav pics of him is the one 
with droplets of milk on his beautiful black and white faceI love you Raff 
and I am so happy I brought you home and cherish EVERY moment I had with you,no 
regrets my baby boy no regrets.
Sherry


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Re: [Felvtalk] FYI: What is Hemabartonella? I never heard of itbefore.....

[Terri Brown]

It's a treatable anemia that mimics FeLV.  Usually caused by flea infestation.

I forget off the top of my head which drug helps this, but I'm sure someone on 
the list can tell us!

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  From: Nataliemailto:at...@optonline.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 12:41 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] FYI: What is Hemabartonella? I never heard of 
itbefore.




  What is Hemobartonella?


  by Miranda K. Workman, President and CEO, Purrfect Paws Animal Behavior
  Center, LLC
  hhttp://broadcaster.catster.com/t?r=3c=5420l=37ctl=18DDD:019CBE51CEB3799
  E51B712D8EAAC5322 

   



   

  Hemobartonella infections are relatively common in cats in North America.
  This mycoplasma resides on the surface of red blood cells and produces
  extravascular hemolytic anemia. Transmission of the parasite is thought to
  occur by blood-sucking arthropods such as fleas. Mothers can transmit the
  parasite to their offspring. Animals with this infection are often able to
  survive for some time, but any condition that could compromise their immune
  system can make them more susceptible to effects of the disease. I learned
  way too much about this condition after a mother cat succumbed to it after
  spay surgery compromised her immune system. Her kittens were tested
  immediately and they are positive too. Treatment is possible and we are
  hoping that tomorrow's bloodwork will reveal they are free from infection
  and are healthy enough to be adopted!

  Miranda K. Workman owns Purrfect Paws Animal Behavior Center, LLC
  
http://broadcaster.catster.com/t?r=3c=5420l=37ctl=18DDD:019CBE51CEB3799Ehttp://broadcaster.catster.com/t?r=3c=5420l=37ctl=18DDD:019CBE51CEB3799E
  51B712D8EAAC5322  in New York

   

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Re: [Felvtalk] FDA fooling with supplements and foods

[Terri Brown]

Just one more reason to believe that our government is as stupid as we think it 
is.

But who am I kidding?  We elected most of them.  Time to vote em ALL out and 
start over.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Lynda Wilsonmailto:longhornf...@verizon.net 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 4:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FDA fooling with supplements and foods


  It seems common sense is non-existant. Thanks for this valuable 
  information/lesson!

  Lynda
  - Original Message - 
  From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.commailto:felineres...@frontier.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FDA fooling with supplements and foods


   Natalie,   I hope everyone in the group appreciates this off topic
   information as much as I do. I agree with you 100% on all of this.
  
   You and I could both spend a lot of time up on our soap
   box.
  
   Thanks..
  
   Lorrie
  
  
   On 07-26, Natalie wrote:
   Dear Reader,
  
   Let go of that stem and back away from the cherry.
  
   It's for your own good.
  
   You see, that cherry is officially an unapproved drug, at least according 
   to
   the Einsteins at the FDA.
  
   Obviously, that makes no sense. But it lead me to ask: If cherries are
   unapproved drugs, what does that make potato chips?
  
   Also compliments of the geniuses at the Food and Drug Administration: 
   Heart
   healthy, of course!
  
   Fortunately, there may be a way out of this government-inflicted 
   insanity.
  
   --- 
   Over-the-counter cherries
   --- 
  
   Cherries contain antioxidants and other anti-inflammatory components. The
   scientific evidence behind that statement is irrefutable. But when owners 
   of
   cherry orchards made those claims and backed them up with links to the
   evidence, the FDA ruled that the claims cause your products to be 
   drugs.
  
   Needless to say, none of the orchard owners had submitted their cherries 
   for
   approval as drugs, so they were not allowed to continue the claims.
  
   Crazy? Oh...we're just getting started.
  
   Last year, Dannon settled a dispute with the FDA by paying out $21 
   million
   to several states where they had advertised their Activia yogurt and
   DanActive dairy drink. In those ads they said the products, help 
   regulate
   your digestive system...naturally.
  
   That claim is based on what we know about the benefits of living cultures 
   in
   probiotics.
  
   But the FDA decided that Dannon was actually claiming that Activia 
   provided
   consumers with bowel movements at fixed, uniform or normal intervals.
   Clearly, that was not the case, but the agency's absurd decision ended up
   costing Dannon millions.
  
   And FDA officials were just as picky and difficult when it came to 
   walnuts.
  
   They told walnut distributer Diamond Foods that multiple studies showing
   heart health benefits of walnuts were not sufficient to allow such claims 
   on
   the Diamond Foods website. Again, the FDA ruled that the health claims
   classified walnuts as drugs.
  
   Now...if all that seems completely bat-house crazy, brace yourself --
   seriously -- because here's what the FDA allows Frito-Lay to say about 
   their
   products...
  
   You might be surprised at how much good stuff goes into your favorite
   snack. Good stuff like potatoes, which naturally contain vitamin C and
   essential minerals. Or corn, one of the world's most popular grains, 
   packed
   with thiamin, vitamin B6, and phosphorous -- all necessary for healthy
   bones, teeth, nerves and muscles.
  
   Potatoes and corn -- two of the WORST foods you can eat, even before the
   processing begins! But wait -- there's more...
  
   Our all-natural sunflower, corn and soybean oils contain good
   polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats, which help lower total and LDL
   'bad' cholesterol and maintain HDL 'good' cholesterol levels, which can
   support a healthy heart.
  
   So you CAN'T say cherries provide antioxidants that benefit health, but 
   you
   CAN clearly tell customers that corn chips help keep bones healthy and
   potato chips cooked in soybean oil can support a healthy heart.
  
   That is true lunacy! In any rational world we'd be able to storm FDA
   headquarters and take them all away in straitjackets.
  
   As I said earlier, there may be a way out of this government-inflicted
   insanity. But to do it, we have to go through the government.
  
   Two members of Congress recently introduced the Free Speech about Science
   Act that will require the FDA to let food producers 

Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =

[Terri Brown]

Petsmart carries a wheat litter that is relatively inexpensive.  Exquisicat 
Natural Wheat.  I'm transitioning to this

I bought a bag for my FLUTD boy, and the gang seems to be making the switch 
well.  It's also scoopable, and I haven't noticed any litter box odors.

Maybe give this a try.  It's a little cheaper than Swheat Scoop.

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  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:08 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =


  Oh my goodness! Thank you so much for sharing this information. I just 
  checked both types of litter I have in the house and neither have an 
  ingredient label. One is Fresh Step and the other is Premium Choice All 
  Natural Unscented. I just found the Premium Choice at Pet Supplies Plus and 
  haven't opened/tried it yet.

  I tried Feline Pine previously, but the cats didn't like it. I used to use 
  something by Arm  Hammer that was almost like saw dust, but it was getting 
  so expensive as I took in more cats that I went back to the clumping clay - 
  not realizing the risks. I'll try the method you described using regular 
  litter and baking soda.

  Thanks again for sharing this info. I'll be sure to pass it on to others I 
  know who are using the clumping litter.

  Cindy


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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 8:36 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Clumping litter =


   Here's more, and this is just the tip of the iceberg!
  
   The #1 Authority On Pet Products, Care and Services Pet Owners Trust Most
  
   Kitty Litter with a Serious Warning
  
   Vets have been reporting more and more kitty illnesses related to litter.
   Certain litters are actually causing serious problems for our feline 
   friends
   including asthma, bronchitis, intestinal blockage and possibly even lung
   cancer.
  
   Most litters are loaded with chemicals to reduce odor and help with
   absorption. These chemicals are released into the air when your cat digs 
   in
   the litter box. The dust from the litter gets into the cat's lungs and can
   wreak havoc on its immune system, putting his or her health in jeopardy.
   With every visit to the litter box, your cat may be polluting its lungs.
   Damage can occur in just a short period of time.
  
   Clumping clay litter, which forms a hard ball when it gets wet, is one of
   the most harmful types on the market. Several brands use this clay to make
   their litter easier to scoop. What makes it clump? It's a natural clay
   ingredient called sodium bentonite. In this case, natural is not always
   safe. Here's the problem: When this clay gets wet it expands and forms a
   hard mass. So when your cat or kitten digs in the litter box it's stirring
   up clay dust and breathing it in. Once it gets into their lungs, it 
   expands
   from the moisture, and in time builds up, causing all sorts of lung 
   problems
   like the ones mentioned above.
  
   Some clumping litters actually post a warning right on the bag; Do Not 
   Let
   Cat Ingest Litter. It is ridiculous to think that you can stop your cat
   from breathing while visiting the litter box .You cannot stop your cat 
   from
   grooming itself with its tongue or stop your new kitten from swatting and
   nibbling on the litter. Anything their tongue contacts gets ingested. Once
   the clay litter is inside the cat or kitten and expands, it not only could
   cause dehydration by absorbing all the body's moisture, it could also form 
   a
   hard mass in the intestines over a period of time, which could be fatal.
  
   The problem of health difficulties and even deaths resulting from clumping
   litters extend far beyond cats and kittens to ferrets, rabbits, and even
   dogs that raid litter boxes. So what can you do? The solution is easy,
   simple and inexpensive. Switch to a biodegradable, dust and clay free,
   non-clumping litter. Many of these biodegradable litters are made from
   recycled paper, which will help to save the environment as well as your 
   pet.
   You can find these products almost anywhere, just read the label. If 
   you're
   worried about odor, sprinkle a small amount of baking soda in with the
   litter. It works better than litter deodorizers that just cover up odors
   instead of absorbing them. You can also find a litter box with a top that
   has a filter for odor control.
  
   Now that you know some of the dangers and their solutions regarding kitty
   litter, hope you will pass this information on to a friend. You could be
   saving the health or life of an animal.
  
  
  
  
   

Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter

[Terri Brown]

Don't ever doubt that you did everything you could for your little guy, and 
don't ever doubt that he knew that and loved you for it.
Sounds like he was too tired to stick around, and made the decision on his own.

Dex is free of this awful disease now, and is happily romping around with all 
of our departed FeLV+ babies already waiting for us.

Goodnight, sweet Dexter...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Ben Williamsmailto:drsiebl...@gmail.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dexter


  I'd like to start off this message by thanking all of you for your kind
  words regarding Dexter over the past few days - - my wife and I have shared
  and appreciated every one of the emails - it's meant a lot to us.
  Unfortunately, this morning has proven to be heartbreaking to us both - we
  received a call first thing this morning from East Dallas Animal Clinic's
  Dr. Ken Cantrell that Dexter's condition had worsened over the course of the
  night.  After picking Dex up from the Emergency clinic yesterday morning, we
  immediately took him to Dr. Wright at Lakewood Vet Center.  Dr. Wright has
  been on vacation since last week and we were told that he would be back
  yesterday morning - but he hadn't yet returned.  I took Dexter to see him on
  three occasions last week for his lymphocyte T-Cell Immunomodulator
  injections, but was only able to see him that Monday.  When we took Dex in
  on Friday when the swelling of his feet and face had begun, we were given no
  advice by his staff who were unable to do anything other than give Dex his
  shot and usher us out the door.  They are all very caring people and I don't
  blame them for anything, but I feel that any vet who runs a practice where
  he is the only doctor on staff, should do a bit more to keep his patients
  informed about his availability - that way precious minutes or hours or days
  aren't wasted waiting for him to return.  Fortunately, several weeks ago,
  when trying to convince Dr. Wright to order the LTCI treatment (which took
  him over a week to do) I was referred to the East Dallas Animal Clinic by
  the LTCI folks - they had used the medication before.   East Dallas Animal
  Clinic is a wonderful place.  We've worked with Dr. Ellsworth and Dr.
  Cantrell there - - they are both compassionate and make a point of taking
  calls from concerned pet owners.  They have both been wonderful to work with
  and have been open to taking every conceivable avenue with Dex's treatment.
  I only wish we had been seeing them from the start. We rushed Dex to them
  yesterday morning as soon as it became clear that Dr. Wright wouldn't be
  returning.  Again, I don't blame Dr. Wright, but when we took Dexter in for
  his checkup three weeks ago and Dr. Wright informed us that anemia had set
  in, his advice was to take him home and make him comfortable.  A week
  passed as I researched and tried to communicate with him about alternate
  treatments and off-label meds.  When you factor in that week and the week he
  took to order the LTCI meds, that's two out of the last three weeks where
  Dex had little treatment.  Again, why the difficulty in getting anything
  done for Dex?  East Dallas, however, fit Dex in on the first day we spoke
  with him and started him on Acemannan injections.  They had two remaining
  doses remaining of that drug; a drug that was very beneficial to Dex last
  year when he was first diagnosed.  they sacrificed those 2 doses for Dex
  without question - had I gone to them earlier, perhaps it would have had
  more effect on him. Regardless, Dex seemed to make improvements while on
  Immunoregulin, LCTI and the acemannan.  FeLV and FIV are horrible diseases,
  though, and I felt like there was something always sneaking up on Dex while
  we treated him.  We seemed to reverse the anemia, but his Lymph nodes were
  swelling.  Some days they would go down, other days, they would blow up.
  When the mystery feet and face swelling started last week, he even responded
  well with benadryl.  That thing sneaking up on Dexter?  Full blown cancer -
  it wasn't just in his lymph nodes, it was in his liver and spleen - it had
  probably made his heart swell.  His breathing was becoming more and more
  labored and we struggled with the decision of when Dexter was in too much
  pain to continue.  Yesterday, Dr. Cantrell started chemotherapy on Dex, as
  well as steroids.  He seemed to tolerate the meds well, but over the course
  of the night, he became more jaundiced and vomited, while his body
  temperature dropped to 94 degrees.  His little body had given out as this
  terrible disease had taken almost everything from him.  I say almost
  everything, because when we arrived at East Dallas 

Re: [Felvtalk] Plato Please add to the CLS :(

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Plato...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaanmailto:sherryd...@yahoo.com 
  To: Felvtalkmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:17 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Plato Please add to the CLS :(


  Another one of our wonderful Sids kids became an angel today. Plato was a 
laid back sweet gray striped boy who loved to be loved. We will miss you 
handsome boy :(
  Sherry


  We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
  than our own,
  Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
  Unable to accept its awful gaps.
  We still would have it no other way
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Re: [Felvtalk] VooDoo's Home

[Terri Brown]

WOO-HOO!  Yay VooDoo!

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Melinda Kerrmailto:msk...@me.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 8:52 AM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] VooDoo's Home


  OK, so who says miracles and divine intervention do not exist?  After a 
couple of hours in the very hot sun, I found evidence that maybe VooDoo was 
alive and close by.  Then, I discovered that the police now have a NO trapping 
policy.  I went to my Japanese vet to see if he could find a trap.  He was 
going to call the city on Monday.  So, back to being a little stressed, feeling 
as though my best hope was gone.  

  A couple of hours later, a very short, but really hard rain came and I was 
once again concerned because I thought he was hiding in a drain pipe.  As soon 
as the rain ended, I went to the back door and called out asking him to come 
home.  What do you know, he answered me with his crazy, whiny cry.  After a few 
minutes of trying to coax him into the house, I decided that he was either 
trapped or hurt.  I called to him and he continued to call back.  Once I 
located him hiding under a tree, I belly crawled on the wet ground to where he 
was.  I reached under, in the dark, expecting the worst.  However, he let me 
grab him and pull him out.  

  So, 48 hours after going missing, my baby is home safe and sound.  We will be 
watching closely for sniffles and signs of fever!

  Thank you all for your advice and positive vibes.  I truly believe that they 
worked.

  Melinda, Fuji and VooDoo

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten

[Terri Brown]

Cathy,

I agree -- PTS isn't always the answer.  Consult with the Vet that Barb 
suggested and stick to your guns.  Barb has been on this list a long time, and 
she knows what she's talking about.
I've been lurking for the past few years -- but I had a total of 5 FeLV babies, 
and the oldest lived to be 9-1/2.  So don't despair.  My home is currently FeLV 
free, but these babies deserve a chance.  there ARE options available.  

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Edna Taylormailto:taylore...@msn.com 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 9:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten



  Good for you Katy and I don't trust any vet whose first option is kill the 
kitten :(
   

   Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 08:56:31 -0400
   From: athenapities...@gmail.commailto:athenapities...@gmail.com
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
   
   Cathy,
   
   I rescued my cat, Buddy, from a thicket behind a parking lot when he was 5
   weeks old. I took him to the vet the day after I rescued him and he tested
   positive.
   
   Well, the vet told me to euthanize him - I did not like that at all. So as
   Buddy was clutching my shirt, I yelled at the vet YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KILL
   MY KITTEN!!! And ran crying from the office. Dramatic, sure, but I think it
   made my point - and I hope the vet was more tactful with pet parents after
   that.
   
   I had him retested a couple of months later, got second opinions, and now
   Buddy is 2 years old and VERY healthy.
   
   I found a new vet that is great with my cats, euthanasia shouldn't ever be
   the first option.
   
   
   Good luck!
   Katy
   
   On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Sharyl 
cline...@yahoo.commailto:cline...@yahoo.com wrote:
   
Cathy, you have already gotten some good advise. I've rescued several FeLV
kittens and treasured the time I had with them. They enjoyed 1 to 4+ years
of being pampered and loved. I mixed my positives and negatives but my
negatives were all adult cats and current on their FeLV vaccine.
   
You can do so much to make whatever time Cali has a joy to both of you. I
would get Sasha tested and vaccinated if she hasn't been already.
   
I am disturbed that Petco is adopting out kittens that have not been 
tested
for FeLV or FIV. I also do TNR and rescue kittens. I test all the rescued
kittens before offering them for adoption.
   
Give Cali a hug from me.
Sharyl
   
From: ckess...@cox.netmailto:ckess...@cox.net 
ckess...@cox.netmailto:ckess...@cox.net
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 4:40 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Cali - 7 month old kitten
   
I am new the site and I am just crushed. I have never had cats before
and I adopted a shelter kitten from Petco in Plano, Texas. She had 
Ringworm
to start with and she was tiny, but she was playful and is as sweet as can
be. We live in Downtown Dallas so she sits in the window of our high-rise
and overlooks the skyline. Last week, she became very lethargic and on
Friday, I became worried so I took her to the emergency room. She's always
been little, but playful and happy until last week.
   
They did a Feline Leukemia test and it was positive. The only thing I had
ever heard about Feline Leukemia before Friday night was that all cats who
get it - die.
   
Cali is only 7 months old and I can't stop crying. I just moved to Dallas
last July. I have always had Dachshunds but I didn't think that dogs 
should
be in apartments, so I got Cali. Then I didn't want Cali to be by herself,
so I got another shelter kitty from the Petco in Bedford, (named Sasha) 
and
she is very healthy.
   
The emergency room vet and the Vet that I took Cali to have both told me
that I need to put Cali to sleep so that Sasha won't get sick and Cali 
won't
get better so she should be put down. For all of you out there, please say
a prayer for me and Cali. She is a Blue Cream Tabby, she weighs 5 pounds
and she has been a real fighter. I don't know how I will find the strength
to put her to sleep.
   
She is so little. I want her to get better. I can't stop crying.
   
Cathy Kessel
(858) 361-8972
   
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lilac

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Lilac...

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  Subject: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 36, Issue 25


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  Today's Topics:

 1. Lilac  Please add to the CLS  :( (Sherry DeHaan)
 2. Re: Lilac  Please add to the CLS  : (Lorrie)
 3. Re: Lilac  Please add to the CLS  :( (Lynda Wilson)
 4. Lilas (Natalie)
 5. Fleas (Cindy McHugh)


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  Message: 1
  Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 21:19:13 -0700 (PDT)
  From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.commailto:sherryd...@yahoo.com
  To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Lilac  Please add to the CLS  :(
  Message-ID: 
716660.51032...@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.commailto:716660.51032...@web35603.mail.mud.yahoo.com
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

  Lilas was a sweet little beautiful tortie. She had a BIG spirit and LOTS of 
love to give !!! She had the chance to live in a loving home of her own for a 
short time,but I know it was full of LOVE. Her sister Posey passed a couple 
weeks before but also lived in the same wonderful home. Camden lovingly calls 
his home Camp Feleuk. He has a big heart that has had to deal with MANY losses 
lately,but I know he believes it was worth giving the special babies a REAL 
home of their own. :)
  Sherry


  We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
  than our own,
  Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
  Unable to accept its awful gaps.
  We still would have it no other way

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  Message: 2
  Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:55:16 -0400
  From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.commailto:felineres...@frontier.com
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lilac  Please add to the CLS  :
  Message-ID: 20110620145516.GA4303@lnx5mailto:20110620145516.GA4303@lnx5
  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

  I'm so sorry you lost Lilac, but I am glad she had a loving
  home during her short life.

  Lorrie

  On 06-19, Sherry DeHaan wrote:

   Lilac was a sweet little beautiful tortie. She had a BIG spirit and
   LOTS of love to give !!! She had the chance to live in a loving
   home of her own for a short time, but I know it was full of LOVE.
   Her sister Posey passed a couple weeks before but also lived in the
   same wonderful home. Camden lovingly calls his home Camp Feleuk. He
   has a big heart that has had to deal with MANY losses lately, but I
   know he believes it was worth giving the special babies a REAL home
   of their own. :) Sherry



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  Message: 3
  Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2011 10:37:13 -0500
  From: Lynda Wilson 
longhornf...@verizon.netmailto:longhornf...@verizon.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lilac  Please add to the CLS  :(
  Message-ID: 
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  reply-type=original

  So sorry to hear of your loss. It's good that she had a wonderful, loving 
  home, even if it was for a short time. That was the best gift you gave her.

  Blessings,
  Lynda
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.commailto:sherryd...@yahoo.com
  To: Felvtalk 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2011 11:19 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Lilac Please add to the CLS :(


   Lilas was a sweet little beautiful tortie. She had a BIG spirit and LOTS 
   of love to give !!! She had the chance to live in a loving home of her own 
   for a short time,but I know it was full of LOVE. Her sister Posey passed a 
   couple weeks before but also lived in the same wonderful home. Camden 
   lovingly calls his home Camp Feleuk. He has a big heart that has had to 
   deal with MANY losses lately,but I 

Re: anyone else use msn.com

[Terri Brown]

Title: Message




This is happening to me too. I'm getting literally a hundred messages 
all at once.

I just set my subscription to "no mail" because I can't handle that many 
messages at once, and since I'm kind of lurking lately,I think I need to 
take a break.

Anyone needing to get a hold of me, hang on to my e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED].

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  - Original Message - 
  From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 1:05 
  PM
  Subject: anyone else use msn.com
  
  
  For the last month, my "weekend"ISP 
  (msn.com)has stopped sending my felvtalk email in a regular flow. After 
  years of working with narry a hiccup, it now comes only 2-3 times a week 
  (other emailarrives ok). So i can't tell if the weekend was quiet or 
  not. I do need to change my ISP since they've done nothing to help and I don't 
  want to waste any more time on hold with them. Anyone else use msn.com? 
  Experienced anything similar?
  Kerry
  
  -Original Message-From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 11:53 
  AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: 
  Hello
  
  
  Oh I'm so glad...thank 
  you!
  Thought something 
  happened!
  Didn't see any postings even 
  though it was a weekend.
  This is too quiet for 
  me.
  I do wish all the felinekids 
  well.
  
  In a message dated 8/21/2006 9:49:21 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
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Re: Ellie separated from others - what should I do?

[Terri Brown]

Here's my 2 cents:

I never had a negative turn positive either. I always mixed mine, and 
they were happier for it.

But again, the choice is individual, and only you can make that 
decision. But I agree with Nina. If your others were exposed and 
have not turned positive, chances are that they won't.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 12:44 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Ellie separated from others 
  - what should I do?
  As others have said, that's a call only you can make. 
  Imho, since they've already lived together for so long, any chance of 
  infection has already happened. I think if your other 5 were going 
  to get felv, they would have by now. The fact that Oreo tested pos 
  and then re-tested neg tells me that he's probably already thrown the 
  virus and is not in any danger. The more you learn about felv, the 
  more you'll see that it's one giant crap shoot. The "safest" course 
  of action is to put Ellie to sleep, the second is to keep her 
  separated. To me these are both unacceptable. I tend to opt 
  for quality over quantity anyway. You'll get varying opinions about 
  what people on the list do. One thing I can tell you, is that no 
  matter what the outcome might have been, (none of my negs ever tested pos 
  after living with my pos cats for 2 years), I wouldn't have been sorry 
  about my decision. I'm learning, slowly, that I don't have the sort 
  of control that I once thought I did. These days, I'm much better 
  about making decisions based on everyone's quality of life, rather than 
  trying to keep everyone as "safe" as possible. It's probably "safer" 
  for Ellie to keep her secluded because she's more vulnerable to picking up 
  disease from your other cats. If she's miserable though, is it worth 
  it? What ever you decide, make peace with it and accept the 
  consequences, be they good or bad. What else can we 
  do?NinaKathi Clark wrote: Yes, I do have Ellie 
  separated from everyone else and it's breaking my  heart; she's so 
  lonely. What should I do?

Re: Introduction and new cat question

[Terri Brown]

Amen to that, Nina!

Welcome Leslie!

And welcome to all the other new members I missed this past week! 
Craziness here for me!

Terri in NJ

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:57 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Introduction and new cat 
  question
  Oh Leslie, have you ever found the right group of 
  people!! We so get the "my heart expands until it feels like it's 
  going to explode" thing! What can I tell you that you don't already 
  know? Adopting these angels, giving them a chance at life and love 
  in a caring environment, isn't that what it's all about? Yes, it 
  hurts when their time comes, yes we think we'll never recover, but somehow 
  we do. Somehow we realize that loving them and losing them, no 
  matter how heart wrenching that is, is worth it for the joy and happiness 
  they bring. It's all the same coin, my dear. No one can tell 
  you how much your heart can bear, but I know mine just keeps expanding, it 
  hasn't exploded yet! Whatever you decide, I'm sure it will be the 
  right decision for you and for Satchmo, (and if you go get that baby, it 
  will definitely be the right one for her!). Welcome to the list, you 
  sure do sound like one of us!NinaLeslie wrote: 
  Hello, My name is Leslie. My cat's name is Satchmo. He's 6 
  years old, I  adopted him at 5 years old knowing that he had feline 
  leukemia. My  question is about adopting him a 
  friend.  Now the background. Four years ago I 
  adopted Sushi, a 2 yr old DSH  that had been rescued from a house full 
  of cats. She had been tested  for everything in the shelter and 
  came back negative. A month after  having her, she got 
  lethargic, I took her to the vet, she was retested  and the test came 
  back positive for FeLV. I was devastated, but she  already had 
  my heart so completely that returning her wasn't even  considered, and 
  she was doing great, actually. Great coat, very  spunky, I 
  started researching how to keep her around as long as  possible. 
  And on this optimistic vein, I decided to adopt another  FeLV+ cat to 
  keep her company, Hepburn, a 10-month old kitten that had  had some 
  health issues, but had been nursed back to health by the vet. 
   Eight months after adopting Hepburn, Sushi passed on from a 
  myocardial  infarction, the vet guessed.   I was 
  heartbroken.  Four months later, I adopted Hepburn a 
  friend. Where Sushi was  mischeivious, Hepburn was sweet. 
  She was a cat that rewarded you for  being quiet and giving her 
  time. The new addition, Satchmo, was a  five year old brown 
  tabby with the manners of a dumptruck, but the  charm to make you 
  laugh instead of scream. Again, a few months later,  Hep took a 
  turn for the worse, appetite gone, the vet not being able  to pin it 
  on a specific infection. We'd fought this off once before,  but 
  this time instead of getting better, she jaundiced and her belly  
  swelled up. She was diagnosed with FIP.  Again, I 
  was just crushed to lose her.  Now, nearly a year later, 
  I have this wonderful cat, Satch, who loves  other animals and has so 
  much life in him. He gets sneezy every few  months, but fights 
  it back. He is on a vet-approved raw diet and  Feline Immune 
  Support. His coat is beautiful, his eyes clear, he's a  very 
  happy guy. I really do believe that cats benefit from being in  
  pairs, but I'm so scared to get another just to lose the first. 
I volunteer at the Humane Society here in Portland (a 
  really fantastic  organization) and there is a 2 month old kitten who 
  is FeLV+. She's  in good health so far...and I've been tempted 
  to adopt more at this  point than before in the year since Hep 
  passed. What do you all  think? Do you adopt 
  another? Can you keep giving of yourselves?   This 
  is a weird question, I know, but any advice you might have would  be 
  appreciated. Thank you, 
Leslie

Re: Off Topic - Rocket, our Great Dane, is gone

[Terri Brown]

How sad. Great Danes are wonderful dogs, and I know how heartbroken 
you are right now.

I have had dogs in the past, but none for about 10 years (not allowed in 
the apartments). Raising a puppy is a lot of work. Walking, potty 
training, etc..

Maybe consider rescuing an adult that wouldn't be so much work? Did 
you check http://www.petfinder.com/?

Goodnight, sweet Rocket...

Terri in NJ

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  - Original Message - 
  From: MacKenzie, Kerry N. 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:54 AM
  Subject: RE: Off Topic - Rocket, our 
  Great Dane, is gone
  Oh Amy, I'm crying with you. I'm so so sorry you've lost your 
  belovedRocket. Please know my thoughts are with you and all your 
  family,kitties included. I've never had a puppy (or even a dog) 
  so i don't know how it would befor you in terms of work involved, what 
  with baby on way too. I do knowmy friend who got a puppy couldn't believe 
  the amount of energy sheneeded to keep up with him. I know she found the 
  early weeks (months?)really difficult. (Just a thought, but would you 
  consider an older dog?)From an emotional point of view, you know 
  yourself better than anyoneelse does, so IMHO, I'd say follow your 
  heart.Thinking of you, and hoping all the many memories of the good times 
  withyour darling Rocket will eventually bring you comfort,love and big 
  hugs, Kerry-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of Amy WilkinsSent: Friday, July 28, 2006 8:34 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: 
  Off Topic - Rocket, our Great Dane, is goneHi all,You 
  probably remember me posting trying to find a homefor a kitty a few weeks 
  ago because I'm pregnant andhad a Great Dane with bone cancer and couldn't 
  take itin. Well I'm just writing to let you know that we 
  lost ourGreat Dane this week. I've lost so many cats toleukemia 
  that I thought I was prepared for this but Iwasn't. It's 
  awful. Rocket did everything with us,even squeezed into our bed at 
  night despite therebeing no room with us and 5 kitties. Rocket isn't 
  acat but he was as much part of our family as our fivekitties who now 
  miss him terribly.I also have one question. I'm heartbroken and 
  I misshim terribly and want to go out and get another one. Whenever I 
  lose a kitty, I always go find another oneto rescue. I'm not 
  replacing the one that is lost butit helps me move on. I'm expecting 
  a baby Sep 6th andeverybody tells me I'm crazy to think about a 
  puppybut our house is so empty without a Great Dane and thecats miss 
  him as much as we do. Has anybody everraised a puppy and a newborn 
  at the same time? Anysuggestions or thoughts? Is it selfish to 
  bring apuppy in right 
  now?Amy__Do 
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Re: Bella

[Terri Brown]

How sad...I was pulling for her. Hugs to you.

Goodnight, sweet Bella...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Hideyo Yamamoto 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:42 PM
  Subject: RE: Bella
  
  
  Oh..no that’s just so 
  sad… the same thing happened to my baby suzi two years ago.. and it breaks my 
  heart to hear what happened to Bella…she is however in kitty heaven now.. at a 
  better place that we all will be heading to…
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonyaSent: Friday, July 28, 2006 3:39 
  PMTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: 
  Bella
  
  
  Sherry, I'm so sorry to hear about Bella. 
  :(
  
  
  
  tSherry DeHaan 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  

Hi everyone,I just got home from the sanctuary that 
I volunteer at and found out that we lost sweet Bella.Someone said that she 
died under anethesia,not sure what happened.Could we please add her to the 
next CLS? Thank you

By the way,Alex is doing a little better ,thanks for 
the prayers.

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Re: UPDATE: Esprit has been adopted!

[Terri Brown]

Terrific!!!

Terri in NJ


  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Hoffman 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 7:29 PM
  Subject: UPDATE: Esprit has been 
  adopted!
  
  I've posted a couple of times in search of a home for Esprit, the FeLLV+ 
  cat who was being fostered by a UC Davis studentWell, Esprit has been 
  adopted by Kim, the young lady who had been fostering her! On August 7th 
  they move to Los Angeles together, where Kim has been accepted to law 
  school. I've invited Kim to join this group. And I couldn't be 
  happier. It's just the sort of home I wanted for Esprit -- an only-cat 
  household with much love and care so she can have more time to throw off the 
  virus.

Re: no mail yet?

[Terri Brown]

I got it too...

Terri in NJ

  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 12:07 
  PM
  Subject: Re: no mail yet?
  
  well, I got your email. I am not sure if anyone else has posted 
  today.
  Michelle

Re: Matilda, aka Atila the Honey

[Terri Brown]

Poor baby! How lucky she is you found her. Shame about her 
babies, but at least she will be okay.

We've been seeing a lot of "dumpees" at our rescue group too. Makes 
me sick.

Terri in NJ

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:08 
  PM
  Subject: Matilda, aka Atila the 
  Honey
  As happens so often, my latest little refugee from the street 
  found her way to me. One morning about 2 weeks ago, I went to pick 
  up the feral food dishes in my front yard and noticed a little tuxy/tabby 
  gray and white kitty sitting, pretty as you please, watching me from 
  across the street in my neighbor's front yard. Now, I know almost 
  all of the cats and dogs in my neighborhood by name, and I'd never seen 
  this little one before. I went over to introduce myself. She 
  didn't run, she just cautiously stood her ground, sitting in that 'good 
  kitty position', and watched with huge expressive emerald eyes to see what 
  I was up to. My neighbor came out and the little one took off into a 
  back yard. That night, she showed up at my food dishes. I went 
  out to talk to her and saw that she was VERY pregnant! Aaggrh! 
  I brought her a dish of wet food and she hungrily gobbled and 
  growled. She wouldn't let me touch her, but I knew she wasn't truly 
  "feral", only a stray would eat in front of a stranger like that. 
  The next morning she was back at her post across the street. 
  Determined to catch her before she had her litter, I marched over there in 
  my pajamas armed with a carrier and a dish of food. She struggled 
  valiantly against her capture, but she didn't purposely try to scratch, or 
  bite. That night, a kind vet told me that she was emaciated, 
  jaundiced and in danger of losing her life if she delivered her 
  kittens. She was spayed, given fluids and a shot of 
  antibiotics. Sadly, her five little ones never got to see the light 
  of day. The first week of her recovery she barely stirred from her 
  bed, she'd growl everytime I approached with a plate of food, but somehow 
  she still made it to the litter box to relieve herself. It was touch 
  and go, I didn't know if she'd make it, it seemed she'd lost the desire to 
  live. Exactly a week to the day after her surgery she came alive and 
  displayed all the indications of someone suffering from Post Traumatic 
  Stress Disorder. I can only imagine the horrors she'd faced on the 
  street. It's so obvious that this little darling was loved, 
  protected and cherished at one time. She was ill equipped to deal 
  with the overwhelming task of fending for herself. Can you imagine 
  finding yourself in such a hostile world? Tom's attacking her to 
  mate, terrifying encounters with dogs out for the sport of her blood, and 
  all the time searching and mourning for the comfort and safety she had so 
  recently known. It's no wonder the poor little thing was terrified 
  of any being with four legs and that it took a bit of persuading for her 
  to see that she had finally found a friend in me. My sore back can 
  attest to the hours spent cuddling with her on the bathroom floor. 
  Her need for affection and a feeling of protection was so great that she'd 
  howl and yowl everytime I left her side. I was so concerned for 
  her! By the second day of this behavior, she had cried herself 
  hoarse! None of us got any sleep, unless I was with her. In 
  recent days we've been seeing slow improvement in her ability to view the 
  world as a safe place again. She no longer hurls herself in fright 
  with claws and teeth bared at the screen door that separates her from the 
  rest of my household when she spots one of my other animals. She's 
  still growling under her breath at the dogs, but she's begun to allow my 
  little cat Pistol to keep her company when she sits vigil outside the 
  door. I've been doing my best to reunite her with her former 
  guardian, but so far, no luck. My home, as loving as it is, is 
  crowded with animals and not an appropriate placement for one so 
  emotionally fragile. Please pray that I find her an understanding 
  home that will suit her special needs. One that can lavish love and 
  compassion on this deserving little soul. This little one has so 
  much to share, if only we can find her true forever home.NinaKat 
  wrote:Okay - make that "we 6" -I'm still hear - just up to 
  my eyeballs in work.Nina, I'd love to hear about Matilda aka Atila the 
  Honey.Kat (Mew 
Jersey)

Re: sweet story (fwd)

[Terri Brown]

very cool.

Terri

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kat 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:42 
  PM
  Subject: FW: sweet story (fwd)
  Since it's rather slow today...A frind of mine sent 
  me this link - and I know all of youwill appreciate it.http://d21c.com/BarryV/BVE_101_Will_Delete_Soon/mailedD6.jpgKat 
  (Mew Jersey)

Re: Island Pharmacy

[Terri Brown]

Thank you!!!

Terri

  - Original Message - 
  From: Belinda 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:54 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Island Pharmacy
  Our toll-free number 
  is 1-800-328-7060http://www.islandpharmacy.com/-- 

Belinda
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Re: Yes, it seems a bit slow today - RE: Island Pharmacy

[Terri Brown]

I posted the note about Island YESTERDAY -- so the mail is coming in very 
strangely. I get responses before I get the originals.

What's up with THAT?!?!

Terri in NJ

  - Original Message - 
  From: TenHouseCats 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 4:34 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Yes, it seems a bit slow 
  today - RE: Island Pharmacy
  well, i got kat's response, but NOT your original post, 
  kerry!
  On 7/26/06, Kat 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote: 
  I 
haven't had much mail either.Kat (Mew Jersey)On Wed, 26 Jul 
2006, MacKenzie, Kerry N. wrote:  Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 
14:56:44 -0500 From: "MacKenzie, Kerry N." [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: RE: Island Pharmacy Hi all---This is only the 2nd 
email I've had today on the list --- (it's  now 3pm CT) --is it me, 
or is everyone finding this? 
Kerry-Original 
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:50 
PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: Island Pharmacy Thank 
you!!! 
Terri - Original 
Message - From: Belinda 
mailto: 
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:54 
AM Subject: Re: Island Pharmacy 
 Our toll-free number is 
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Re: Ceasar is no longer in pain (please add him to the CLS)

[Terri Brown]

Poor baby. No wonder. What a kindness you did for him. 
Big hugs to you for all you do.

Goodnight, sweet Ceasar...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Nina 
  
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ; Paul 
  Hendel 
  Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 3:29 PM
  Subject: Ceasar is no longer in pain 
  (please add him to the CLS)
  Hello my beloved group,I just got the call from the 
  vet. Ceasar had deep puncture wounds that were abscessed all over 
  his body, the deepest around his neck and the most infected on his rear 
  leg, no wonder my brave little man was limping. He had a high fever 
  and the worst news of all, he was felv+. They hadn't yet 
  investigated why his nose was bleeding, or why there was blood in his 
  saliva. The vet, who is always reluctant to recommend euthanasia, 
  said if she were Ceasar she wouldn't want to wake up from the kind of pain 
  he must have been living with. I still hesitated, I still thought 
  maybe there was a way. I asked if there could be any doubt about his 
  status, the answer was an unequivocal no. Before we left for the 
  vet, he allowed me to stroke him through the grate of the trap. His 
  skin was covered with small lesions, with that gritty feel that comes from 
  flea infestation. Poor little lamb! He was angry, but he 
  didn't try to scratch me, or even hiss. I spoke softly to him and 
  told him how much he was loved and that he was finally home. I had 
  so prayed that I would be bringing him back to comfort and security this 
  afternoon. I had to finally decide to let him go. I'm so 
  sick about not being able to trap him when I first met him, maybe he would 
  be healthy today. I feel like I failed him, my only consolation is 
  that he's no longer suffering, he's no longer confined, and he's no longer 
  producing felv kittens. He lived the hard life of a cat on the 
  street and I helped him as best I could. Thank you all for caring 
  about a special little feral boy and understanding how he has left an 
  imprint on my heart.Bless you my sweet, brave, clever friend. I 
  will love you always.Nina

Re: CLS Monday june 26th, 2006

[Terri Brown]

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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:55 
  AM
  Subject: Re: CLS Monday june 26th, 
  2006
  
  
  Dear Sherry,
  
  I am so sorry for your loss of Mini, Hilary, Loralei, Kasmir, Edgar  
  Mowgli. You surely have a very special crowd of angels watching over 
  you.
  
  Yvonne
  
  In a message dated 6/26/2006 3:55:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Belinda,could you please add a few more of my furry friends to the 
services for next week?
Mini,Hilary and Loralei all 3 felv 6-2-2006
Kasmir felv 6-14-2006
Edgar 6-14-2006
Mowgli felv 5-31-06
  
  

Re: terri

[Terri Brown]

happy to help

  - Original Message - 
  From: l.j. crabtree 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 7:49 PM
  Subject: terri
  
  
  When she is ready to leave, she will let you 
  know.But just love her and love her right now.You 
  can't waste energy worrying about something that might or might not be 
  happening.Concentrate on NOW.Enjoy her 
  NOW
  
  oh terri. what awesome words you have shared i didn't stay with 
  the emergency vets, but loving loving loving minnie is exactly what my heart 
  says to do.
  
  you are suc a wonderful support
  
  lj

Re: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My New FIV Rescue Died After NeuterSurgery

[Terri Brown]

Hugs to you, Rachel.

Goodnight, sweet Mr. Dobbs...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:15 AM
  Subject: Re: Devastated...Mr. Dobbs My 
  New FIV Rescue Died After NeuterSurgery
  
  Dear Rachel,
  
  I am so, so sorry about your loss of Mr. Dobbs. I can't imagine the 
  shock you must be feeling. I do know,however, that he knows how 
  much you love him  that he is grateful that he got to leave this world 
  from a home where he was loved, even if it was only for a short time. 
  Take care.
  
  Yvonne

Re: How is Samantha today?

[Terri Brown]

I can only echo Marylyn's words. Big hugs to you.

Goodnight, sweet Samantha...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:14 
  PM
  Subject: Re: How is Samantha today?
  
  Spend tonight loving her and cuddling her in your 
  heart. You can send her all sorts of love without moving her or 
  causing her pain. Just be with her and tell her it is alright to leave 
  this world. That you are going to be ok. She may well decide to 
  leave tonight on her own but she needs to know that is ok with you and 
  .well, she is very concerned about you and your welfare. 
  She needs permission to leave this body and needs to know that you know she 
  will remain around in spirit.
  
  
  
  
  
   
  If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
  creatures 
  from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   
  will deal likewise with their fellow 
  man. 
  St. Francis
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Julia Hagstrom 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:20 
PM
Subject: Re: How is Samantha 
today?
Thanks for your good wishes; she told me last night that she 
is ready to go. She is in a lot of pain, with her big eyes looking up at me, 
as if to say, "Please, help me!" I decided this morning that tomorrow is the 
time to let her go. I'll take her to my vet, and it will be swift and 
painless. She'll be free to breathe again, without working so hard at it, 
and will never have pain again. :( I'll be crying, but I know it's the best 
thing for her; I've already made the arrangements, and she'll be well taken 
care of. Thank you all for your support, and I will stay on the Email list, 
because I'm going to get another kitty right away, so as not to be alone, 
and reading y'all's Emails has given me an education, so I'll still need 
that, until I make sure my new kitty is safe from this terrible disease. 
Thanks! JuliaOn Thursday, June 29, 2006, at 06:43 AM, 
Marylyn wrote:
She will tell you when it 
  is time. Listen to her with your heart then do all you can to help 
  her on her journey. That may be to do nothing or to help her 
  leave---both are so hard. But listen to your loving cat. She 
  is so grateful to you for all your 
  love. 
  If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
  creatures 
  from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men 
  who 
  will deal likewise with their fellow 
  man. 
  St. Francis- Original Message -From: Julia 
  HagstromTo: 
  felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: 
  Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:31 PMSubject: Re: How is Samantha 
  today?Thanks, I'll talk to the vet about it; she's in such bad 
  shape, she doesn't move unless she has to. I think her time is coming, 
  pretty soon, as she is suffering, now, and I won't let her do that very 
  long. I'll set her free, before I'll let her suffer much. Thanks for all 
  the support.JuliaOn Wednesday, June 28, 2006, at 08:34 PM, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:Julia, I really think thata dexamethasone/depomedrol 
  shot would make her feel much better. It can make them feel good 
  until they are ready to go. I have seen it happen with lymphoma multiple 
  times, as has at least one other person on this 
  list.MichelleIn a message dated 6/28/2006 3:13:12 P.M. 
  Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Hi, 
  Wendy,Well, she's barely eating anything, in fact, she'd rather 
  drink theLactaid milk I give her than eat. I tried putting food 
  in her mouth,but she doesn't want it. She's having a terrible 
  time breathing, andcan hardly stand to be held, as it makes her very 
  uncomfortable. Thevet said she thinks the tumor is taking up 
  more space, even with thePrednisone, and that's why she's having so 
  much trouble breathing; theyhardly got any fluid out of her, the last 
  time they drained it out. Ithink she will be gone soon. :( 
  :( 
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Re: Help Angel's Gate Sanctuary (Petition)

[Terri Brown]

Done.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:54 
  AM
  Subject: Help Angel's Gate Sanctuary 
  (Petition)
  Hello Everyone,First, my condolences to everyone that has 
  lost a fur child and prayers for those that are struggling. I 
  haven't been on list as much as usual, but I wanted to pass this on to all 
  of you. Isn't Angel's Gate the sanctuary that Patti sent her Felix 
  to? I remember her talking about Susan and the compassionate people 
  there. Apparently they are in trouble with possible re-zoning 
  threats and need help with signatures for a petition. Please take a 
  look and see if it's something you would like to support:http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/627580358

Re: Chester is Catching Birds

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Chester...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:47 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Chester is Catching 
  Birds
  
  Dear Lisa,
  
  I am so sorry to hear of Chester's passing. You were a very brave 
   wonderful mom to him. Your little angel will watch over you 
  always. You  Chester are in my prayers  I will also be praying 
  for a negative test result  good health for Timmy. Take care.
  
  Yvonne

Re: dehydration

[Terri Brown]

If kitty is eating wet food, you don't need to be TOO concerned. Did 
you try the Hills A/D wet fod?

Terri in NJ

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  - Original Message - 
  From: l.j. crabtree 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:42 PM
  Subject: dehydration
  
  
  
  
  hoow do y'all keep your kitlets hydrated when they 
  don't seem to want to drink? i do syringe minnie some at thome, but have been 
  having to take her 2 times a week or every other day for sub-Q fluids :( 

  
  her 
  appetite sucks as well but keep trying...
  
  how 
  much water should you try to get into your cat daily? on days off it is easy 
  but during the week it is tricky...
  
  LJ

Re: Hannibal departed to his new wonderful life... - thank you forall your p...

[Terri Brown]

I must have missed this post. I'm so sorry, Hideyo

Goodnight, sweet Hannibal...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:37 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Hannibal departed to his new 
  wonderful life... - thank you forall your p...
  
  Dear Hideyo,
  
  You did a wonderful job with Hannibal  gave him a life that he never 
  would have known without you. Your special little angel is watching over 
  you now...he is well  he wants you to be happy. Take extra good 
  care of yourself. You  your precious Hannibal are in my 
  prayers.
  
  Yvonne

Re: How is Shakiti today? (plus MK update and questions - sorrywrote a book)

[Terri Brown]

Awesome news about Shakiti! And MK too! EXCELLENT!

Canned food -- I like to feed Nutro canned, but if your gang won't eat it, 
stick with what they like. I'd agree that the better quality food is best 
(Nutro, Precise, Eagle Pack), but they need to eat, and if they refuse the 
"better" stuff, stick with what you've got. Wet food is best 
anyway

My gang likes Nutro, but I've been feeding the Petsmart brand hairball 
light formula. No more vomit, no more hairballs, and best of all -- NO 
STINKY POO

WOO-HOO!

But keep in mind I am FeLV free at the moment, so I am not as cautious 
about the food with them as I would be with a FeLV positive. I fed Eagle 
Pack exclusively when I had FeLV positives in the house. Good stuff, but 
not easily available. Only one store within 25 miles of me carries it (and 
it's out of the way for me to get to).

From the clowder in New Jersey,

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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 1:54 PM
  Subject: Re: How is Shakiti today? (plus 
  MK update and questions - sorrywrote a book)
  
  
  Shakiti is doing very well today. He slept with me last night 
  instead of under the bed. He hasn't gotten sick - and last night when I 
  called everybody for canned food, he came running with an appetite and he ate 
  on his own. I'm not surehe can handle dry food yet but I'm glad I 
  don't need to finger feed him anymore. He must be better because he is 
  tormenting Tiffany again - that's very much back to normal. 
  
  Shakititook his medicine like a champ this morning. I didn't 
  give him the pill for the tummy ache because he may not need it now - but if 
  he gets sick, I will. He's doing his turn at neighborhood watch in the 
  front window and watching cat TV (the bird feeders).
  
  Mama Kitty is fantastic. She's been out front stalking a beetle and 
  pouncing on things I can't even see. My neighbor came by (total cat 
  person)and said she thinks that Mama Kitty looks better and feels better 
  than she did before she ever got sick. Her coat is nice and shiny and 
  she's so alert that she'sthree steps ahead of everything going on in her 
  world. When you call her - she comes running with her tail straight up 
  in the air. A lot of her success is due to the fact that I learned here 
  that there truly is hope for kitties with feline leukemia.She 
  sends everybody head butts.
  
  Othello goes in to be tested (and vaccinated)for FeVL next Friday 
  and I thinkthen we'll only have Alexisand Phelix left to go (plus, 
  I think I'm going to continue B12 shots for MK...will check to see if vet will 
  let me do that myself).
  
  Does anybody here do the pet insurance thing? Will it cover Feline 
  Leukemia if it's a pre-existing condition? If so - who do you use and 
  what do you think about it? I've spent over $1260 in vet bills the past 
  few months between getting treatments for Mama Kitty and tests/vaccines for 
  everybody else (plus a couple of dentals)- and it will be about $450 in 
  the next month or two to get everybody up to date. I'm not sure that's 
  any cheaper than the insurance would be for 8 cats. Too bad I can't 
  write this all off on my taxes.
  
  Also - would like to get your take on what is the best canned food. 
  I've been feeding fancy feast just because it is such a hit and because I can 
  get Mama Kitty to eat it when she won't eat anything else. I've tried 
  the Chicken Soup light formula canned food for the kids and they aren't crazy 
  about it. They really don't care for Authority either. Since these 
  issues with Mama Kitty though - I've been a lot more concerned about diet and 
  want to feed them the best I can find but it won't do me a bit of good if they 
  won't eat it. I'm not above getting sushi for them either LOL Who 
  needs money, right? It's not everything.
  
  
  grateful for every good day,
  elizabeth
  
  
  
  In a message dated 6/24/2006 4:37:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ETrent 
  writes:
  

He tried to take a few bites from the dried food buffet today but 
wasn't able to keep it down. I'm still giving him something for upset 
tummy and he's doing a good job of letting mommy feed him the a/d. He 
seems to be feeling good otherwise though and he's been a complete angel 
about taking his medicine.


In a message dated 6/24/2006 3:56:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hey 
  Elizabeth,How is Shakiti doing today? Is he eating on his 
 

Re: help!

[Terri Brown]

You're on the right course. Stick with the vets who treated the 
abscess if you can. There's obviously a lingering infection that needs to 
be addressed. If you can't get her in to that vet, then I wouldn't wait 
for an appointment -- where are you located? Maybe someone on the list can 
recommend a vet to you who is FeLV friendly.

Don't stress about her condition -- she will pick up on that. Just 
love her and tell her you will do everything you can to make her feel 
better.

When she is ready to leave, she will let you know. But just love her 
and love her right now. You can't waste energy worrying about something 
that might or might not be happening. Concentrate on NOW. Enjoy her 
NOW.

Hope this helps.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: l.j. crabtree 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:45 PM
  Subject: help!
  
  
  
  
  
  when 
  she was disgnosed about 6 months ago i prescribed to your list and she seemed 
  to be doing we got much information to make living with he felv 
  better.my 9 yr. old Felv kitten is very ill...we had a 
  very stressful appointment and will never go back to that vet again, even 
  though he came highly recommended. he manhandled her and she never really 
  seemed the same after that.
  
  i 
  researched my options and also lurked here to get infor regarding minnie's 
  maintenance. .. she receives a wonderful fresh diet now and also a number of 
  suppliments y'all have been so sweet to recommend. she seemed to be 
  maintaining until about 2-3 weeks ago then i noticed she had not been 
  defecating for a few days... and a mass in her abdomen. it was last weekend 
  that i rushed her to our animal emergency clinic. i had a sneaking feeling 
  that she might be impacted.
  
  the 
  doctors seemed very capable and very caring. they found her to be slightly 
  dehydrated and a high fever... they stabilized her with IV meds,gave her 
  two enemason saturday then took some radiograms... they did not see 
  anything that seemed like a tumor. the doc stuck a syringe into the area and 
  drew out fluid which showed she had a bad infection, probably an abcess.
  they 
  sedated her and sure neough there was an abcess. they placed two drains in her 
  abdomen, and i got to bring her home, with orders to give her claamox for a 
  week and return to have the tubes removed.she seemed to be doing better 
  until mid week when i noticed no bowel movement ( or at least i didn't see 
  where she had produced), and she wasn't as perky. took her back friday, they 
  removed the tubes. her appetite was good (gave her pumpkin which she readily 
  ate with her meal) over the weekend and the first part of the week. she has 
  not had a bowel movement but still is leaking some of the pus from her anus. i 
  am going to take her into another vet tomorrow, if i can sneak her in.
  
  any 
  ideas/obsevations? i am so afraid this is it
  
  
  
  

Re: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow Bridge

[Terri Brown]

Hugs to you, Brenda.

Goodnight, sweet Miss Kitty...

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Tim Lyons 
  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:50 PM
  Subject: Miss Kitty has gone to Rainbow 
  Bridge
  
  Hi 
  folks,
  
  I have only been 
  lurking on the list for the past year or so. Some of you may remember 
  me. I lost Cher, Midnight, Lisa and Suzy to the leukemia in a 6 month 
  period in 2004. Today, we came home to find their mother, Miss Kitty 
  dead. She had been having some kidney issues related to the leukemia, 
  but was responding to the medications. Just last night, she had caught a 
  small lizard. She was OK this morning. She ate her breakfast, 
  she's been scratching on her scratching pad and acting only a little 
  less than she would normally.
  
  This whole ride 
  with her and the kittens has been tough. It's our first experience with 
  FeLV and it's been HELL! I still wouldn't have put her  the kittens 
  to sleep when we rescued them in July 2003.I just couldn't do 
  it. Our vet recommended the same fate for Miss Kitty when we took her 
  there about a month ago when her kidney issues flaired.
  
  We gave her 3 
  years of life that she would not have had otherwise and I don't regret any of 
  it. She was a sweet, precious soul who didn't deserve the fate God 
  handed her. 
  
  May she rest 
  softly with her babies at Rainbow Bridge. Please add her to the 
  Candlelight Service for Monday.
  
  Thanks for being 
  there when I needed you all.
  
  Brenda 
  Lyons

Re: Question.

[Terri Brown]

Rebecca,

So sorry to hear this. The vaccine isn't 100% effective.was your 
kitten tested prior to being vaccinated? Did your vet use a killed virus 
vaccine?

Don't second guess yourself, and don't beat yourself up. You did what 
you thought was best for your kitten, and he had a good 11 months with you that 
he might not have had with someone else. Big hugs to you.

Goodnight,, sweet baby...

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  Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Saturday, 
  June 24, 2006 7:10 pmSubject: Question.To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  I just put my 11 month old kitten to sleep yesterday because he was  
   infected. He had a(red or white) blood count 07 seven. I am not 
   sure which color the  vet told 
  me. But, I had him vaccinated twice for this. 
  How can they  contract this if  they have been 
  vaccinated AGAINST it? I do not 
  understand!! Thanks, Rebecca Ryan 
  

Re: cats who don't like moist food

[Terri Brown]

Our Salome' wouldn't eat anything that didn't come out of a bag. 
Period.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: gwork 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:35 
AM
  Subject: cats who don't like moist 
  food
  
  I was just wondering if anyone has 
  ever had a cat who doesn't like moist food of ANY kind?? I have two that 
  don't like anything! Also, they don't like tuna, which I have heard of 
  before. But I was just wondering whether anybody has experienced this, 
  and if they ever found a moist food that was liked, or also if they tried raw 
  and whether the finicky ones liked that?
  
  Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com

Re: FIV infected Kitten

[Terri Brown]

I wish my sister and I had known that 3 years ago when she rescued a litter 
of 4 almost 3 years ago and all 4 of them were given the FIV vaccine.

I have 2, she has 2.

Boy was I ticked off when I found out it's not necessary.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:21 
  PM
  Subject: Re: FIV infected Kitten
  The FIV vaccine is completely NOT ever recommended by anyone of 
  authority in animalmedicine. Most responsible vets don't use it at all, 
  because it makes the cat it'sgiven to test positive for FIV for the rest 
  of their life.

Re: Safety first? - On my soapbox again

[Terri Brown]

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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:56 
  AM
  Subject: Re: Safety first? - On my 
  soapbox again
  
  
  
  Tad - that is an excellent point and one that deserves careful 
  consideration. I lost my Felicity to vaccine related fibrosarcoma and 
  although it happened many years ago, I still grieve. Here is a link to a 
  charcoaldrawing I did of her. She was a very dear soul.
  
  http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html
  
  
  *Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.*
  -Original Message-From: Tad Burnett 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: 
  Wed, 21 Jun 2006 11:40:40 -0400Subject: Re: Safety first? - On my soapbox 
  again
  

  Or is the real 
  question...What if the risk from the vaccine is greater than the disease it 
  self..Like small pox...Tad[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  


In the spirit of acceptance and being able to share ideas -I, 
myself,mix FeVL+ and FeVL- cats. Are there risks? 
Yes. Knowledge is power, however, and that is why I vaccinate the ones 
who are negative and take additional precautions in keeping litterboxes 
extra clean - keeping food and water dishes extra clean - and pay more 
attention to frequently washing bedding and keeping shared areas 
disinfected. There is scientific evidence that the virus is contained 
in the saliva. Scientific evidence as recent as March 2006.

Nobody I know has ever contracted rabies. I don't know of any 
pets personally who have gotten rabies either. I could probably let 
all my cats run free and they might never contract rabies. That, 
however, would be irresponsible - in my view - knowing the risk is there and 
not taking preventative measures. Ancedotal evidence indicates that my 
cats probably won't get rabies. I disagree, however, that 
veterinarians and expert websites should change their information to include 
thisancedotal information.

Is ancedotal evidence important? Yes - it is...and it is 
extremely valuable. But there has to be a balance between scientific 
evidence and practical application. Both are valuable. It is 
also extremely important to recovery that the cats feel loved, safe, and 
unstressed. Diet is also very important. All of these things go 
toward making life better for all of us...not just the cats.

I respect your opinion. I also respect your right to disagree and 
I appreciate the opportunity to contribute to the discussion.

Elizabeth

*Save the earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.*
-Original Message-From: Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: 
Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:46:57 -0700Subject: Safety first? - On my soapbox 
again


If the only place 
you could be with your loved ones and not feel like a prisoner, was to stand 
in thunder storms, (even with a pole in your arms), I wonder how much more 
ready to risk it someone might be. I don't know how well this analogy 
works, but when you're talking about a pos being segregated away from family 
fur members and confined to one room "for each other's safety", there are 
other things to consider besides the "safest" course of action. There 
is some debate about just how social cats are, how necessary to their well 
being it is to interact with each other. I just know from personal 
experience that it is important to my guys. I don't know how I would 
have reacted if I'd had some warning about the status of my felv kids. 
They had already been mixed, and even though it did give me pause, there was 
really no decision to be made. I can only tell you how grateful I am 
that I didn't separate them from the rest of the household. Maybe I'm 
fortunate to not have had anyone else contract the disease, the majority of 
this list has had the same experience, but there are some that have 
not. I guess part of my decision making process always includes the 
aspect of what I consider quality of life. I've never been a proponent 
of quantity over quality. Cats need to interact in as "free" and 
stimulating an environment as possible. Of course it's important to 
keep them safe, but I wonder what their answer would be if we posed the 
question to them directly. We could always pole incarcerated humans 
and ask them if 

Re: Safety first? - On my soapbox again/charcoal drawing

[Terri Brown]

Again -- simply beautiful..

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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:37 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Safety first? - On my 
  soapbox again/charcoal drawing
  
  
  
  Thanks! Here's one I did of Celena in charcoal and pencil. 
  She passed away a few years ago. I really need to do portraits of the 
  eight I have now - it really helps you remember them.
  
  http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/celena.html
  
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  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 
  12:30:07 EDTSubject: Re: Safety first? - On my soapbox again/charcoal 
  drawing
  

  
  
  
  Wow...that drawing is 
  great!
  Did you draw your 
  kitty?
  I would love to have my "Taz" 
  drawn on charcoal.
  
  In a message dated 6/21/2006 8:57:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Tad - that is an excellent point and one that 
deserves careful consideration. I lost my Felicity to vaccine related 
fibrosarcoma and although it happened many years ago, I still grieve. 
Here is a link to a charcoaldrawing I did of her. She was a very 
dear soul.

http://www.trentdesigns.com/elizabeth/felicity.html

  
  
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Re: Shakiti Update

[Terri Brown]

ditto!

awesome news!

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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:27 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Shakiti Update
  
  
  
  Oh my god this email scared the 
  hell out of me...I didn't know whether I wanted to continue reading about 
  Shakiti.
  
  Oh I'm so relieved 
  now!
  Bless your 
  Vet!
  YAY for Shakiti on her 
  tests!
  Glad for Mama Kitty 
  too!
  
  P.S.
  I heard a lot of stuff in my 
  time but the "Headless Bunny" cracks me up somthing fierce. I will remember 
  that!
  
  In a message dated 6/21/2006 4:38:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
As soon as the vet got in from lunch - I called him. They had 
been watchingShakiti all afternoon and given him peroxide as an 
emetic...but no sign of dental floss. 

We discussed theprospects of surgery.He said he 
really hated to do unnecessary surgery - but on the other hand didn't want 
to putShakiti's health and lifeatrisk.I told 
him I really did not know what would be best for my boy and he said that he 
would be willing for me to watch him a day or two. He felt that if 
Shakiti made it through Friday without any problems - he would probably be 
ok. 

I told them I would be there in a bit and that I would stay up all 
night with him if necessary. 

I said prayers all the way there. 

When I got there, I expected to just pay the bill - get my boy and 
go- butthey called me back into a room and said, 'Elizabeth, we 
have a problem'. My heart sank. I think it stopped 
beating. I could feel the tears starting to burn.

*graphic description 
alert*
In a bit, the doctor and the vet tech came out with a folded 
towel. They opened up the towel and therewere a number 
ofspots of bright red blood along about an 8 inch streakthat 
Shakitihad regurgitated. They told methe blood was a bad 
sign. They said - all day we have been watching for Shakiti to throw 
up and nothing...but while you were on the way here, he started to 
vomit. 

Well...I looked at it carefully...and the vet tech looked at it 
carefully...and then we both looked right at each other andsaid 'Wait 
a minute! What's that?!?' 

What was it? Just a big wad of dental floss. The doctor got 
some tweezers and it stretched out nearly 2 feet!
*end graphic 
content*

Oh my goodness -- you can't imagine the waves of relief and the change 
in my face, the doctor's face and the vet tech's face. It was the 
whole piece - unbroken. The doctor believes now that the blood must 
have been from retching the foul thing up -- he said that is not uncommon in 
cats.

They wanted to keep the baby overnight but I made 'big eyes' and said, 
'Couldn't I take him home and watch over him?' -- I just know that I would 
watch and baby him like crazy and spoil him rottenwhile they would 
have to leave him overnight. They agreed. 

They gave him a steroid shot to decrease any inflammation and some 
demerol for pain and discomfort. I am to watch for any further signs 
of vomiting or if he hides like he feels badand tomorrow I can start 
him on canned food if he feels ok.

He is being a perfect angel and he has forgiven me completely. 
He's staring into space happy as a clam with his demerol buzz. 
Everytime I tell him how good he is - he smiles at me and purrs. 


Oh! And the great news is the Shakiti tested negative for FeVL 
today. His shots are up to date and as soon as he feels better he 
canwreak havoc and pester Tiffany just like good ol' times.

Mama Kitty still looks great -- although I've got to have a little 
discussion with her about the headless baby bunny gift she left for me this 
afternoon.

Thanks for being there you guysyou rock.

p.s. Always, always flush your floss.


  
  
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