Just one comment...
The risk of death for an FIV cat at a kill shelter is mentioned...
You might want to read the fine print of many many NO KILL
shelters that also PTS FIV, FeLV and even the entire litter because
just one kitten dies of FIP...
Life it self is a risk... What about the risk you giv
Where is this list???
Really I am so happy to be a member of this list. It is so emotional when
you have a sick kitty or worse yet lose your love one. I at least know I am
doing the best I can with Junior because I joined this list. I am one of
"those" people who if the vet told me I had to put hi
Thanks Tonya, I'm tryin', though it doesn't come easy! I just joined a
parrot behavior list that teaches people to modify their parrots behavior
through positive reinforcement and modeling
the correct behavior. Funny thing is, list members are required to live by
those same principals in their co
And let us also remember, that when you say its our list, that "our" includes
Glenda and Susan as well. I believe, as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. once said,
“We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and
actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of
It's not what's said that's usually the problem; it's the way in which
it's said.
What's the point of saying something in a mean, nasty way when it can be
said civilly?
There's too much meanness in the world as it is without us adding to it.
I agree with the person who said something along the lin
Everyone here does the best they can with what they have available
to them. When I joined this list 10, 11 years ago and told others I
mixed my positive and negatives, I know some thought I was irresponsible
and sentencing my others to a probable death because they would become
infected by
Yes, this is their list too - but there are ways of saying things to
better get your point across for consideration versus inciting a riot
by throwing flames! And while I don't have a specific quote, I believe
that's exactly what Rev.Martin Luther King,Jr. was trying to teach us
about tolerance a
Just my own two cents here. Of our 5 cats, 2 are declawed. One, Missy
(whom I've recently discussed re: her problem in actually hitting the
litterbox), had been my mother's cat, and the declawing was a condition
imposed by her apartment complex. I agree that declawing just for the
sake of furnit
I don't think that anyone is trying to silence anyone because they
don't agree with them.
This used to be the most tolerant, friendly, supportive place on the
Internet, for my money. I used to really value it just because
everyone was entitled to their opinion, and you didn't see a lot of
finger
Sometimes saying what needs to be said isn't nice, but that doesn't make it any
less important to say. You all judge some on this list for doing the exact
same thing you are. If everyone would be less quick to jump on the flogging
bandwagon, perhaps more constructive conversation would be poss
Well said. I (like Kelley) do not have an FeLV+ kitty anymore, but hung around
because of the wise advice I’ve received. I agree that the arguments have
progressively worsened to pettiness. We should choose our words with tact and
with conviction. We all have a right to our opinions, but we need
Thanks everybody for the insight. I was able to determine this a.m. that
indeed, all three are having very stinky, loose, "cow pie" stools- but not
exactly super runny diarrhea. It's not the really wet diarrhea that is almost
all watery/fluid...Does this description help? And they have it at
Tonya,
I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you
addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new
here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned
them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core
difference between those of us not willing to risk
mixing our FeLV+ guys with
--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:38:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Here is the link
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
> Tonya,
> I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you
> addressed me personally. O
Nastiness and bullying are not needed to voice an opinion.
So I don't think its fair to single out Glenda and Susan. Opinionated
they may be, but they have every right to voice that opinion, just
like the people who defend toe amputation.
--
Belinda
happiness is being owned by cats ...
Be-
--- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT)
> From: glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: offlist
> To: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Well, Tonya,
> I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been
> judged by the best.) I humbly
Please can we all work together? The kitties come first, imho. We need the
benefit of everyone's wisdom, if you are willing.
Laurie
- Original Message -
From: Sally Davis
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: new list
Wher
Nobody leave! This getting stupid! Glenda, don't leave...
-Caroline
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Fwd:
> Re: offlist> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > --- glenda Goodman <[EMAIL
> PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PD
Nobody leave? Most people have already left.
It is really sad.
On 9/26/07, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Nobody leave! This getting stupid! Glenda, don't leave...
> -Caroline
>
> > Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Fwd: Re: offlis
Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they can
be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults here?
Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding this
all rather ridiculous.
Everyone here was really supportive when
Megan, I'm in the same boat as you. I don't have an FeLV kitty anymore, but
I'm hanging around for a while to see if things improve. I'm glad you've
stuck around too. I hope you are coping with the loss of sweet Olive. I
forgot if you had any other kitties or had taken any in since then?
Melissa
On 9/26/07, Megan Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they can
> be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults here?
> Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding this
> all r
Hello. Our feline leuk+ cat Isabella is doing great. I am still here to
share what is working for us and in case..
Laurie
- Original Message -
From: "Melissa Lind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: offlist
Megan, I'm in the same boat
That's very well said Megan. It pretty much covers everything I thought about
saying on this subject for a long time, but just never took the time because I
had more pressing matters, like kitten care. I was here when you joined Megan
and I read your Olive posts thinking that you sounded just
For the first 3 years I was on this list--December 2003--2006--it was
the most informative and supportive group one could ever hope to come
across. It came from "the top": the founder James, co-founders including
Belinda, and several exceptionally well-informed, supportive, generous,
mature individ
That's great to hear that you and Isabella are doing well! I'm glad to hear
other voices out there! It's encouraging to know that not everyone has left.
Melissa
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 200
Hi Laurie,it is good to hear that Isabella is doing great!! :) I will keep you
both in my thoughts.
Sherry
laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello. Our feline leuk+ cat Isabella is doing great. I am still here to
share what is working for us and in case..
Laurie
- Original Messa
Caroline, I was wondering when/if you would weigh in on this situation that
doesn't seem to be going away. During some of the last fights that erupted,
I felt the same as you. I was going through so much in my own life, I didn't
have time to keep up with the drama.
I was 28, I'm newly 29-celeb
I just want to say that I am sorry if people were offended on the stupid
argument that started here on Monday.I say stupid because we let it get out of
hand.We are supposed to be adults and supportive of each other.I KNOW everybody
has thier own opinions and that is fine.I was fine with certain
H i all,
It has been along time since i have read any post. I have save a few but
i have read all. What has happen to this group. I was thinking it was about
cats & not poeple. I hope things get better becuse i would like to find more
about FELINE LEUKEMIMA then poeple not getting along. I h
I still have my Felv cat3 fiv and 40 others,,
I will adopt out to good owners who DO declawand will never be
intimidated but those who do not approve, but that is theri opinion
Kelly
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com
Thanks to everyone who responded. Autumn is about 11 weeks old. She has
really responded the treatments and has perked up considerably. The
Pedialyte definitely helped. Once we brought her home from vet, I started
her immediately on her antibiotics, but within the hour she had vomiting and
diarrhea
Susan it is good to hear that sweet little Autumn is playful.I will keep you
both in my thoughts.
Sherry
Susan Ang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks to everyone who responded. Autumn is about 11 weeks old. She has
really responded the treatments and has perked up considerably. The Pedialyte
you are prescribing medicine without a license.
On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Caroline,
>
> Have the little kittens had a fecal yet?
>
> If not, I recommend getting one performed.
>
> Coccidia, Giardia & spirokettes(?) are all possibilities.
>
> Sometimes when you firs
Susan,
I'm very glad to read that Autumn is doing better. I've been thinking
about her.
I hope that you'll look into homeopathic vets in your area. Ember's
homeopathic vet has put her on Liquid DMG and Transfer Factor, and I
believe these supplements have helped her to stay healthy.
Lan
My holistic vet recommends Transfer Factor for Felines a lot. It seems to
help.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have m
In a message dated 9/26/2007 6:26:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
you are prescribing medicine without a license.
Wow. It just doesn't end, does it? For the record, twelvehousecats, Susan
has left the list, so that's one less jab she'll have to deal with, due
I forgot to include the article in my previous email. The link is here, the
full text follows:
_PETA Media Center > Factsheets_
(http://www.peta.org/factsheet/files/FactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=42)
Declawing Cats: Manicure or Mutilation?
Cats’ c
Of course it isn't a job. It's an online mailing list intended for sharing of
information and support. In no way whatsoever is it like a job. If it feels
like one, something is wrong. Really, being on this list and responding to
people should not take up that much time, unless you let it. If you
I agree with Kat. And I must say that I've been silent about all that's been
going on with people upset and leaving the list due to a few posters who vent
and flame their opinions rather than just sharing them. I thought it was time
I said something because we are losing the most knowledgeable
That sounds like a good update. I hope Autumn continues to feel better.
tonya
Susan Ang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thanks to everyone who responded. Autumn is about 11 weeks old. She has
really responded the treatments and has perked up considerably. The Pedialyte
definitely helped. Once we
Good to hear Isabella is doing well.
tonya
laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello. Our feline leuk+ cat Isabella is doing great. I am still here to
share what is working for us and in case..
Laurie
- Original Message -
From: "Melissa Lind"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, September 2
Sherry,
You have absolutely nothing to be sorry about. You did not cause the
problems we've had with people leaving the list over the past month or so.
Your situation just illustrated the kind of responses that are running people
off in droves.
t
Sherry DeHaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
Thanks. We are thrilled. You would never know she is feleuk positive.
Transdermal pain meds and pred daily, interferon 7 days on/7days off and
feline transfer factor ~ this is what we are doing.
She plays and purrs constantly.
- Original Message -
From: catatonya
To: felvtalk@fel
HI Kelly
I have a good friend whose friendship I value greatly. I had to bite my
tongue when she told em she was getting her two cats declawed. They are two
healthy happy cats she did this a year ago. I would never choose this option
for cats. My door frame shows it toolol one of Junior favori
Hi,
Seeking home for an adult feluk positive cat (this is not my cat). Male,
neutered, grey and white, 4 year old cat named scooter. Family especially the
wife wants to get rid of cat. Cat has been living mostly outdoors, due to the
fact he doesn't always use his litter box, though has been
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