Re: Here is the link

2007-09-26 Thread catatonya
Thank you Beth for being much more diplomatic than me. :) tonya Beth Noren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the FIV cats have not been given a death sentence, they have been vaccinated for a much reduced risk of a catching FeLV. They are weighing that risk against the risk of death on the

Re: Here is the link

2007-09-26 Thread Tad Burnett
Just one comment... The risk of death for an FIV cat at a kill shelter is mentioned... You might want to read the fine print of many many NO KILL shelters that also PTS FIV, FeLV and even the entire litter because just one kitten dies of FIP... Life it self is a risk... What about the risk you

Re: new list

2007-09-26 Thread Sally Davis
Where is this list??? Really I am so happy to be a member of this list. It is so emotional when you have a sick kitty or worse yet lose your love one. I at least know I am doing the best I can with Junior because I joined this list. I am one of those people who if the vet told me I had to put him

Re: Here is the link

2007-09-26 Thread Beth Noren
Thanks Tonya, I'm tryin', though it doesn't come easy! I just joined a parrot behavior list that teaches people to modify their parrots behavior through positive reinforcement and modeling the correct behavior. Funny thing is, list members are required to live by those same principals in their

Re: list matters

2007-09-26 Thread ofalegend
And let us also remember, that when you say its our list, that our includes Glenda and Susan as well. I believe, as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. once said, “We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people, but for the appalling silence of

RE: list matters

2007-09-26 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
It's not what's said that's usually the problem; it's the way in which it's said. What's the point of saying something in a mean, nasty way when it can be said civilly? There's too much meanness in the world as it is without us adding to it. I agree with the person who said something along the

Re: arrrggghhh.....! Part II.!

2007-09-26 Thread Belinda
Everyone here does the best they can with what they have available to them. When I joined this list 10, 11 years ago and told others I mixed my positive and negatives, I know some thought I was irresponsible and sentencing my others to a probable death because they would become infected

Re: list matters

2007-09-26 Thread Kat
Yes, this is their list too - but there are ways of saying things to better get your point across for consideration versus inciting a riot by throwing flames! And while I don't have a specific quote, I believe that's exactly what Rev.Martin Luther King,Jr. was trying to teach us about tolerance

RE: OT:declawing your cat is illegal...

2007-09-26 Thread Rosenfeldt, Diane
Just my own two cents here. Of our 5 cats, 2 are declawed. One, Missy (whom I've recently discussed re: her problem in actually hitting the litterbox), had been my mother's cat, and the declawing was a condition imposed by her apartment complex. I agree that declawing just for the sake of

Re: list matters

2007-09-26 Thread Kelley Saveika
I don't think that anyone is trying to silence anyone because they don't agree with them. This used to be the most tolerant, friendly, supportive place on the Internet, for my money. I used to really value it just because everyone was entitled to their opinion, and you didn't see a lot of

Re: list matters

2007-09-26 Thread ofalegend
Sometimes saying what needs to be said isn't nice, but that doesn't make it any less important to say.  You all judge some on this list for doing the exact same thing you are.  If everyone would be less quick to jump on the flogging bandwagon, perhaps more constructive conversation would be

RE: list matters

2007-09-26 Thread Melissa Lind
Well said. I (like Kelley) do not have an FeLV+ kitty anymore, but hung around because of the wise advice I’ve received. I agree that the arguments have progressively worsened to pettiness. We should choose our words with tact and with conviction. We all have a right to our opinions, but we

RE: OT: Kitten Question

2007-09-26 Thread Caroline Kaufmann
Thanks everybody for the insight. I was able to determine this a.m. that indeed, all three are having very stinky, loose, cow pie stools- but not exactly super runny diarrhea. It's not the really wet diarrhea that is almost all watery/fluid...Does this description help? And they have it at

Re: Here is the link

2007-09-26 Thread glenda Goodman
Tonya, I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you addressed me personally. Ok ,this is the deal: I'm new here, I have picked up the basics and I have learned them well. I am not a gambler. Maybe that is the core difference between those of us not willing to risk mixing our FeLV+ guys

Fwd: Re: Here is the link

2007-09-26 Thread glenda Goodman
--- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 08:38:46 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Here is the link To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Tonya, I'm going to answer you directly on this, since you addressed me personally. Ok ,this is

Re: list matters

2007-09-26 Thread Belinda
Nastiness and bullying are not needed to voice an opinion. So I don't think its fair to single out Glenda and Susan. Opinionated they may be, but they have every right to voice that opinion, just like the people who defend toe amputation. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ...

Fwd: Re: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread glenda Goodman
--- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From: glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: offlist To: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, Tonya, I guess I have been put in my place? ( I have been judged by the best.) I humbly apologize to

Re: new list ~

2007-09-26 Thread laurieskatz
Please can we all work together? The kitties come first, imho. We need the benefit of everyone's wisdom, if you are willing. Laurie - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:03 AM Subject: Re: new list

RE: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread Caroline Kaufmann
Nobody leave! This getting stupid! Glenda, don't leave... -Caroline Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: offlist To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org --- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:48:39 -0700 (PDT) From:

Re: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread Kelley Saveika
Nobody leave? Most people have already left. It is really sad. On 9/26/07, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody leave! This getting stupid! Glenda, don't leave... -Caroline Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 10:50:53 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fwd: Re: offlist To:

RE: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread Megan Heikkinen
Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they can be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults here? Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding this all rather ridiculous. Everyone here was really supportive when

RE: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread Melissa Lind
Megan, I'm in the same boat as you. I don't have an FeLV kitty anymore, but I'm hanging around for a while to see if things improve. I'm glad you've stuck around too. I hope you are coping with the loss of sweet Olive. I forgot if you had any other kitties or had taken any in since then? Melissa

Re: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread Kelley Saveika
On 9/26/07, Megan Heikkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most people have left? That's pathetic. Everyone has their opinions, they can be rude, they can get upset, blah blah blah. But aren't we all adults here? Hell, I'm probably the youngest person here, at twenty, and I'm finding this all rather

Re: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread laurieskatz
Hello. Our feline leuk+ cat Isabella is doing great. I am still here to share what is working for us and in case.. Laurie - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: RE: offlist

OT: turning the other cheek

2007-09-26 Thread Caroline Kaufmann
That's very well said Megan. It pretty much covers everything I thought about saying on this subject for a long time, but just never took the time because I had more pressing matters, like kitten care. I was here when you joined Megan and I read your Olive posts thinking that you sounded

RE: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
For the first 3 years I was on this list--December 2003--2006--it was the most informative and supportive group one could ever hope to come across. It came from the top: the founder James, co-founders including Belinda, and several exceptionally well-informed, supportive, generous, mature

RE: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread Melissa Lind
That's great to hear that you and Isabella are doing well! I'm glad to hear other voices out there! It's encouraging to know that not everyone has left. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of laurieskatz Sent: Wednesday, September 26,

Re: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Hi Laurie,it is good to hear that Isabella is doing great!! :) I will keep you both in my thoughts. Sherry laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. Our feline leuk+ cat Isabella is doing great. I am still here to share what is working for us and in case.. Laurie - Original

RE: turning the other cheek

2007-09-26 Thread Melissa Lind
Caroline, I was wondering when/if you would weigh in on this situation that doesn't seem to be going away. During some of the last fights that erupted, I felt the same as you. I was going through so much in my own life, I didn't have time to keep up with the drama. I was 28, I'm newly

Sorry

2007-09-26 Thread Sherry DeHaan
I just want to say that I am sorry if people were offended on the stupid argument that started here on Monday.I say stupid because we let it get out of hand.We are supposed to be adults and supportive of each other.I KNOW everybody has thier own opinions and that is fine.I was fine with certain

Re: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread Joe O.
H i all, It has been along time since i have read any post. I have save a few but i have read all. What has happen to this group. I was thinking it was about cats not poeple. I hope things get better becuse i would like to find more about FELINE LEUKEMIMA then poeple not getting along. I

Still here but very busy

2007-09-26 Thread Kelly L
I still have my Felv cat3 fiv and 40 others,, I will adopt out to good owners who DO declawand will never be intimidated but those who do not approve, but that is theri opinion Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com

Autumn - Update

2007-09-26 Thread Susan Ang
Thanks to everyone who responded. Autumn is about 11 weeks old. She has really responded the treatments and has perked up considerably. The Pedialyte definitely helped. Once we brought her home from vet, I started her immediately on her antibiotics, but within the hour she had vomiting and

Re: Autumn - Update

2007-09-26 Thread Sherry DeHaan
Susan it is good to hear that sweet little Autumn is playful.I will keep you both in my thoughts. Sherry Susan Ang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to everyone who responded. Autumn is about 11 weeks old. She has really responded the treatments and has perked up considerably. The Pedialyte

Re: OT: Kitten Question

2007-09-26 Thread MaryChristine
you are prescribing medicine without a license. On 9/25/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Caroline, Have the little kittens had a fecal yet? If not, I recommend getting one performed. Coccidia, Giardia spirokettes(?) are all possibilities. Sometimes when you first get

Re: Autumn - Update

2007-09-26 Thread Lance Linimon
Susan, I'm very glad to read that Autumn is doing better. I've been thinking about her. I hope that you'll look into homeopathic vets in your area. Ember's homeopathic vet has put her on Liquid DMG and Transfer Factor, and I believe these supplements have helped her to stay healthy.

Re: Autumn - Update

2007-09-26 Thread Marylyn
My holistic vet recommends Transfer Factor for Felines a lot. It seems to help. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have

Re: OT: Kitten Question

2007-09-26 Thread OfALegend
In a message dated 9/26/2007 6:26:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you are prescribing medicine without a license. Wow. It just doesn't end, does it? For the record, twelvehousecats, Susan has left the list, so that's one less jab she'll have to deal with, due

Article, with Citations.

2007-09-26 Thread OfALegend
I forgot to include the article in my previous email. The link is here, the full text follows: _PETA Media Center Factsheets_ (http://www.peta.org/factsheet/files/FactsheetDisplay.asp?ID=42) Declawing Cats: Manicure or Mutilation? Cats’

RE: offlist

2007-09-26 Thread Megan Heikkinen
Of course it isn't a job. It's an online mailing list intended for sharing of information and support. In no way whatsoever is it like a job. If it feels like one, something is wrong. Really, being on this list and responding to people should not take up that much time, unless you let it. If

Re: list matters

2007-09-26 Thread catatonya
I agree with Kat. And I must say that I've been silent about all that's been going on with people upset and leaving the list due to a few posters who vent and flame their opinions rather than just sharing them. I thought it was time I said something because we are losing the most

Re: Autumn - Update

2007-09-26 Thread catatonya
That sounds like a good update. I hope Autumn continues to feel better. tonya Susan Ang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks to everyone who responded. Autumn is about 11 weeks old. She has really responded the treatments and has perked up considerably. The Pedialyte definitely helped. Once we

Isabella

2007-09-26 Thread catatonya
Good to hear Isabella is doing well. tonya laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. Our feline leuk+ cat Isabella is doing great. I am still here to share what is working for us and in case.. Laurie - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: Sent: Wednesday, September 26,

Re: Sorry

2007-09-26 Thread catatonya
Sherry, You have absolutely nothing to be sorry about. You did not cause the problems we've had with people leaving the list over the past month or so. Your situation just illustrated the kind of responses that are running people off in droves. t Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Isabella

2007-09-26 Thread laurieskatz
Thanks. We are thrilled. You would never know she is feleuk positive. Transdermal pain meds and pred daily, interferon 7 days on/7days off and feline transfer factor ~ this is what we are doing. She plays and purrs constantly. - Original Message - From: catatonya To:

Re: Still here but very busy

2007-09-26 Thread Sally Davis
HI Kelly I have a good friend whose friendship I value greatly. I had to bite my tongue when she told em she was getting her two cats declawed. They are two healthy happy cats she did this a year ago. I would never choose this option for cats. My door frame shows it toolol one of Junior

seeking home for adult feluk positive cat - family doesn't care about him

2007-09-26 Thread JENI RECA
Hi, Seeking home for an adult feluk positive cat (this is not my cat). Male, neutered, grey and white, 4 year old cat named scooter. Family especially the wife wants to get rid of cat. Cat has been living mostly outdoors, due to the fact he doesn't always use his litter box, though has