I second Christopher on this! The advantages outweigh the disadvantages by a
long way.
I suppose a lot of this discussion will be influenced by the type of work you
do. In pure engraving work where final output will never be altered, then
extracted parts are fine. But for those working on
to deal with it is to select the staff with the
messed up lyrics, chose clear lyrics and then paste them back in again to the
lyrics window and then click assign them back into the score. After that they
seem to be ok and won't mess up again.
Cheers,
Jonathan Smith
There is a little trick it took me a long time to discover, that in a mac print
dialogue (save as pdf) where there is a prompt for the file name you can click
on any file name in the active window, even if it is greyed out, and it
auto-inserts the name of the file you've clicked on - sometimes
Toccata font has them, so does one of the Engraver fonts that comes with Finale.
Jonathan
Hello all,
I need to make harp pedal diagrams. Years ago I have made them, but I can't
remember how I did it.
They should look something like this,
(^ - ^ | v v v -)
(if you know what I mean),
Hi Chuck,
I have the same problem and the IP address seems to keep changing, probably
every time I disconnect something on the network. What I do now is delete the
HP printer in the prefs, then add printer and set up again. You can find the IP
address by using the buttons on the top of the
I seem to remember seeing/using a plugin for proportional spacing in multi
measure rests (i.e. 8 measures gets a longer block then 4 measures) but for the
life of me, I can't find it!
I have TG Tools, Jari (JW) and Robert Patterson's plugins.
Can anyone steer me in the right direction please?
On 2012-09-30 10:15, Jonathan Smith wrote:
I seem to remember seeing/using a plugin for proportional spacing in
multi measure rests (i.e. 8 measures gets a longer block then 4 measures)
but for the life of me, I can't find it!
JW Space Empty Rests, currently at version 1.05
Best
+3
+2
On 31/07/2012, at 12:24 AM, Dick Hauser wrote:
+1
On Jul 29, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
I cannot see myself ever producing a finished audio product within
Finale, so I'd rather see them put that effort into fixing the many bugs
and annoyances in the basic
I can answer this one.
Put all the pdfs you wish to combine into one folder, get these files in the
order you want them to print in (number them or something). Select them all
double click to open in preview. You should see all the pages in descending
order in the sidebar.
Click on the
: Jonathan Smith lismoremu...@wanadoo.fr
Date: 29 January 2012 7:19:04 AM EST
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] pitched to non-pitched percussion on same staff
Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu
Hi Craig,
What I do is set up and assign an expression to trigger the channel change
(sometimes I just
Hi Craig,
What I do is set up and assign an expression to trigger the channel change
(sometimes I just hide it or make it a blank space). Then set up another one to
trigger it back again later on the staff.
So for instance if your tuned percussion stave was originally set to midi
channel 7,
Hi Aaron,
This is a minefield, but I found a post on the Makemusic website last year that
helped me a lot in solving the problem but it is not easy!
Jonathan
Here is the post:
All this assumes that you're able to get your MIDI sounds loaded and you can
trigger the sounds via a MIDI
fn-cmd-ctrl with up or down arrow
Jonathan
On 30 Nov 2011, at 19:00, finale-requ...@shsu.edu finale-requ...@shsu.edu
wrote:
TIA
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This works for me also, I have a trusty old HP5000n.
I have also found that if you de-rig or change anything in your ethernet set-up
the IP address number of the printer changes (slightly), and you'll need to
re-enter this new number into the IP tab in the JetDirect-Socket.
I have found it
Hi Ryan,
Here's my set up that's works well for any two parts on one stave.
In Document Options select Layers.
Layer 1 check ONLY these items:
Freeze stems ties (Freeze stems up)
Freeze ties in same direction as stems
Adjust floating rests by 6 steps
Apply adjustments only if notes are in
I use Filemaker Pro (now Bento but I've never upgraded). Great for our band
library stuff and has a section for music loaned out etc.
I'll send you a blank 'clone' copy of the file if you wish. It's in version 5.5
but works great for me!
Jonathan
On 24 Oct 2011, at 18:00,
Fin 2011 Mac.
I just can't seem to figure out how these new percussion maps work in 2011.
I've imported my perc. libraries from 2009 and some of the notes appear
correctly on the staff but others are just a mess, for instance the brush
sounds that used to be found at E1 and D#1. And now there
Excellent point.
One of the main characteristics of the true brass band instrumentation is that
there are 2 BBb and 2 Eb Tubas. For arrangers and composers alike this
distinction opens up numerous possibilities for extra sound colour and textures
within the realms of the deep and warm sounds
Hi Everyone,
There was a very interesting article yesterday morning (18th April 2011) in the
NY Times (Science page) about the specific components of music that go to make
it emotionally expressive. There are various playbacks of human performance,
computer renditions and enhanced playbacks at
Sorry, link didn't go through, here it is again,
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/04/18/science/20110419-music-expression.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=thab1
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Not to mention what out-state Missourians do to French names: Versailles
= verSAYLZ, St. François= Saint Francis, Beaufort= Buford for
starters. AAARGH!
Why is it that people get upset when Americans pronounce foreign names and
words with Americanized pronunciations, yet I never read
This unfortunately is the drawback and I have found no way round it, except
that rather than fight it I go with it and leave the 1st Flute part in the 2nd
Flute part and indicate it as a cue (you can hide the text expression in the
1st part and show in the 2nd). Most doubled/trebled stand
Denis, try this:
Document Menu - Manage Parts - In the linked parts boxes you will have needed
to set up the 2 instruments that share the same stave in the left hand box but
assign the same stave to each in the centre box by clicking on add to Part
then select each of these instruments one
Yes, I have encountered exactly the same thing with an old file opened in
finale 2009. It seemed to occur in a measure where there was a dim. text
expression, although this expression had no assignment for playback. I found
the only way to get shot of it was to completely delete the measure (as
Linked parts are the way to go, no doubt about it. The amount of time saved is
frightening compared to the old methods (every time I have to go back to an old
file with extracted parts I cringe).
With a little skill and plain thinking 'out of the box' you can become really
wily at getting
When you consider that our beloved Finale has the facility to show the score
and parts in different windows, the idea behind putting up a networked set of
parts from a 'control' desk is not so far fetched as it may seem. In fact, it
could be a huge growth area.
All the problems involved in
Try - Measure tool, page view, select all, either:
Show measure numbers
or
Retore measure number defaults
Jonathan
Hello all,
I have a file where the measure numbers higher than 42, with an exceptiom of
measure 48, won't print. I've tried a word-around with fake measure numbers,
In which case it would be wise to include a treble clef E flat part
(transposed up a sixth plus an octave) in addition to the other parts.
Jonathan
Ah but in this case, I wouldn't want a tuba sound to play sax
music. I'm
better off supplying a real transposed tuba part. (The Bari Sax and
Yes, because as I mentioned, that part would be the same as the E
flat Bari Sax part. They usually include both instrument names at the
top of the part.
Jonathan
On 12 May 2010, at 19:00, finale-requ...@shsu.edu finale-
requ...@shsu.edu wrote:
Thanks for that valuable info. In your Tuba
Hi Ryan,
I direct a band here in France and play Euphonium in 2 others, so I
have first hand experience about the transposition of Tubas
Euphoniums.
There are very few players who are taught to read in C (Ut), non
transposed, concert pitch, although most modern editions for both
Euph
I've been following this thread as font problems are always never far
from looming up unexpectedly! Thanks Darcy for your ever helpful posts.
All this has prompted me to look into my own system and see what
fonts are lurking there since numerous upgrades and when I look in my
Macintosh
I agree!
It is high time that MAKE MUSIC sorted this bug. It is the only thing
that really holds up the linked parts facility, which I think is a
huge time saver. I just couldn't imagine going back to the old slog
of extracting parts in every score! You've only got to get you head
around
I thought you could either use contextual menus or assign metakeys
for applying staff styles - that's what I always use but I'm still in
2009.
JS
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I have found a solution for the score lists bug in Fin 2009.
I could never get the tempo markings to show on top staff of parts
even though it was checked.
What I discovered was that if you uncheck and then re-check show on
top staff it will show up on the top staff of each part. This is
You're not alone!
I also cannot seem to get on with the new system for staff lists in
2009, they seem to have a mind of their own. The option for 'show on
top staff' does not work, especially when used in conjunction with a
score and parts in the same file. The tempo expressions just don't
Experience: Many years ago I had FileMaker Pro and I was very happy
with it.
Mark,
Why not just keep using Filemaker in an older version? I have loads
of files in Filemaker many which I started when it was in version 2.
I updated to 5.5 when it came out and have never upgraded since, but
Rule of thumb for the piece title or main title is to make the
largest letters the same size as the staff height.
Interesting. I generally like the title quite a bit larger. Where
does this suggestion come from? (Your other suggestions make very
good sense, by the way.)
This is
Technical, instructions etc, : Regular type, usually above staff
Style, interpretation etc, : Italic, usually below staff
Titles and Text blocks are best left in the same font suit, maybe in
different sizes or strengths.
Rule of thumb for the piece title or main title is to make the
MM has recommended a workaround involving LyricsClone Lyric. This
_does_ prevent additional lyrics getting added to the Edit Lyrics
window but it involves additional steps to just copying and pasting
music with lyrics into another staff. Turning off Smart Word
Extensions (DocumentDocument
drawback is that you will also get a small number (as set
for the parts) appearing at the start of each system top left staff
in the score but this very inconspicuous and if anything an extra aid
for anyone referencing the score or conducting.
Jonathan Smith
The ENGRAVER Font is also very good for this, it has built in closed
and open rectangle shapes to replace the noteheads so you don't need
to bang in a whole load of noteheads to get the 'blocked look' result.
Jonathan
On 8 Dec 2008, at 12:08 PM, M LAWLOR wrote:
[Finale 2002]
I have
Chris,
Insert a page before page one on the drum part and then just set your
titles for that part to appear on page one to wherever, or page 1 to
page 2 depending on your text blocks for page titles. It only takes a
few seconds (command-shift-T on the text block handle).
After that you
Oh no!
I was really hoping that this would have been improved in 2009. I
have 2009 but haven't installed yet as I'm in the middle of a big
project, I was also going to wait for the first tech. upgrade based
on my experiences of previous upgrades.
I must start to use TG tools if it
Ah, but the ONLY thing that doesn't get copied across is the smart
shape. Any staff expression comes out in all the exploded parts, as
does any accent, staccato, or any articulation assigned to the
original chord. So the single instance theory seems to me to be
applied in an inconsistent
Hi Johannes,
Also a few other things I forgot to mention in my last post:
If you have Appleworks on your mac right now, try using the simple
database within that (there are various small database set ups in the
templates folder) you never know, it may prove to be enough for your
needs but
I believe you can simply import AppleWorks DBs into FileMaker.
Bento seems
to be able to do this, so FileMaker should too.
Filemaker Pro doesn't recognise AppleWorks DB files directly - well
at least my version doesn't, you need to save them as an ASCII Text
file first before filemaker
Jonathan,
I am interested in trying to convert my AppleWorks DB to a
Filemaker Pro DB. Can you please explain the steps that I should
take to accomplish the task?
Thanks.
With pleasure:
Open up your appleworks DB file and do a save as and select ASCII
Text under file format.
Open
My orchestra needs to create a database for its small, but growing
music library. Can someone give me some hints on how to do this,
preferable on a Mac? I want something which is easy to maintain and
where I can see how many string parts we have, perhaps also who
borrows which part, etc.
I'm sure others have their favourites they would love to add in,
so go ahead!
C.
Fin 2kb mac crashes every time I try to use human playback.
Apparently this is to do with having a score expression in the
piece, so that's not very useful. I miss being able to record off
my playbacks
I'm sure others have their favourites they would love to add in, so
go ahead!
C.
Fin 2kb mac crashes every time I try to use human playback.
Apparently this is to do with having a score expression in the piece,
so that's not very useful. I miss being able to record off my
playbacks
Chuck,
I posted a lot of stuff in ref. to this. Andrew Stiller was also a
great help to me.
Are you looking for the HP5000n duplexer? I didn't know there was a
500 series.
anyway, try these,
http://h20141.www2.hp.com:80/hpparts/Country_Choice.asp
items. Favour sharps/flats is my personal
favourite. Won't be long before you'll need to open another
application to access it!
Jonathan Smith
There it is! I knew I had seen it! Thanks!
Putting it under Check Notation is NOT intuitive! It should just
be under utilities, as in the older
I think what's happened here is that you have now 'set up' the
metatool - and so to actually get it to work select your chosen
measures and hit the '6' key, or whatever you've programmed it to.
Jonathan
I'm using FinMac2007. When I want to transpose something, I have
been going the long
One of the things I like is double 'hitting' a metatool letter or
number to converts all selected artics or expressions to the said key
assignment.
Jonathan
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palettes and windows back.
Christopher
On 12-Dec-07, at 10:02 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote:
I have a Macbook 2.16 (v10.4.1) with Finale 2007c, but can't seem
to get the Edit System Margins or Edit Page Margins boxes to show
up on screen. Have any other Macbook owners noticed this or has
anyone
Desktop 90%
Laptop 10%
Don't get out very much these days :-(
Jonathan Smith
I think we need a list survey of laptop versus desktop usage.
I, for example, have both, but my laptop is my real machine upon
which I
do 60-70% of my work.
If my observation of an observed group
Since I got my computer running again, I'm not getting much mail on
the three lists with which I keep up. Has mail here been
particularly light?
Everybody’s migrated to
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I have been using Patterson beams for many years now but in
finmac2007 they don't seem to work so well. I should like to know if
I am alone on this or have others found similar problems.
Firstly, I have to display the score in concert pitch first and then
apply PB, otherwise the result is
Thanks for that Robert, I'll download the latest version.
Jonathan
Jonathan Smith wrote:
I have to display the score in concert pitch first
This problem is fixed in the latest version: full version at my
website or the lite version that shipped with Fin08 (which should
work with Fin07
am i correct in thinking the vocal lines should not be op^timized
out of piano solo passsages?
No, they should be optimised out. Singers don't need to read blank
measures rest, they'll follow the piano part easily + saves space on
the page.
Jonathan
Hold down Alt-Ctrl and click on an expression, it shows the note
it's attached to.
How cool is that?
Not very cool. I almost never use it. I want to see what's hooked
to what,
not go clicking everywhere and guessing. When I move a note with
special
tools, I want to see what's attached
I have not made much use of the lyrics feature of finale up until
now. But I am starting a songbook, and if some one wants to let me
know again about some of the issues around lyrics, I would
appreciate it very much.
I plan to combine all the songs into a single Finale file, unless I
hi, i don't work with voice very much, wonder if anyone can let me
know what the standard formats for SATB+piano might be. and what
percentage reduction do you usually use? are there usually
separate piano and choir scores? if i use the format i was
planning (9.5x12.5) i can get 2
They should be able to be attached to anything (and
should -- repeating this for the umpteenth time) *show* the ownership
through some sort of rubber-band indicator.
Hold down Alt-Ctrl and click on an expression, it shows the note it's
attached to.
Jonathan
I would not concur with this, as I recently did a piece in B major
and had to convert some key-signature A sharps to Bb accidentals
and back again as I changed my mind, and they went wonky.
It seems to be that any time you hit 9 in Speedy you take your life
(well, your enharmonic life
Existing Finale users can cross-grade to Sibelius 5 for $199 US.
Cheers,
- Darcy
And it works the same the other way, Sibelius users can cross-grade
to Finale for $199 US.
I have to use both programs, and I find the Sibelius upgrade price
way too expensive for the features it offers
On 08.06.2007 Jonathan Smith wrote:
Also, you need to take a close look at the features you receive
for the price. They only attempt to bring Sib. in line with
today's Finale. They have again taken many of the best features in
Finale and are trying to incorporate them into their program
Remember this?
Hey, I remember that!
I called them two days ago to register Sib3 on a mac intel laptop as
the Sib. software blocked me from registering via the internet. I was
told by their rep. that it would run really slowly on a Macintel
chip. So, I guess the backwards compatibility
Anyone else experiencing the following aberration when using the
Expression Tool in Mac-07? I create an expression (such as a
rehearsal number, or cresc.) and place it in my score, and it
jumps to a location other than where I have pointed. It is
sometimes misplaced as much as one staff,
The French may have some unusual words for modern terminology,
especially in I.T., but I believe their choice of words used for
music in general (solfege, music theory etc.) are very appropriate
and make both English and American terminology awkward and clinical.
But this is a much older
Recognise the music and chord text font?- it's Don Rice's Golden Age,
unmistakable.
Jonathan
wish i had the kind of time this person has...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kotK9FNEYU
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Darcy,
I have also tried in vain to overcome this problem and have given up
and just added extra staves and voiced each part individually when I
have dual voiced grace notes. I thought changing the 2nd part into
layer 2 might help but it becomes even worse - and you still can't
drag the
Hello all,
I'm arranging some jazz pieces for a quintet which includes viola and
tenor trombone. What are the keys that players of those instruments
tend to enjoy playing in the most?
Thanks.
**Leigh
A fine trombonist friend of mine once told me that he prefered the
sharp keys esp. A, E,
To all HP 5000n users:
I thought, like many others on the list, that this part was no longer
produced. What a surprise then to find a new one listed on the HP
(French) site.
It shipped yesterday. Coded as part C4113-69001 it said it was to
replace the C4113A and was definitely listed for
Has anyone on this list come up with any clear advantages to even
having a
Linked Parts feature?
Yes, it saves a lot of your time.
It just takes a little patience to learn the ropes. Going back to
part extraction will seem like the dark ages.
Jonathan
P.S. Any chance of breaking down
Finale 2007a - Mac.
Can anyone else confirms these bugs please?:
Whenever I try to insert a measure at the start of a score (i.e.
highlighting first measure in score and chosing measure insert) -
Finale crashes.
Also when editing smart shapes in parts or score the screen goes
blank as
a transposition is to select either 'favour sharps/
flats' from the options menu and then with the mass mover, select the
music you need to change and select from Mass Edit - Utilities -
Respell Notes. It won't cover everything but it certainly gets the
bulk of the work done in one go.
Jonathan Smith
If the piece has no key signature but the tonal center obviously
indicates a
key other than C (or A minor) then I change the key after entering
(with keep
notes enharmonic option)
Try using the 'chromatic' transposition for the part if there is no
general key sig. for the piece or it is
After many years hiatus from the music biz I am dusting off the old onion skins and getting back into writing. The last version of Finale I used in earnest was Finale 98, but I have seen and experimented with both Finale 2006/2007 and Sibelius 4.xx. I do have a lot of old music in the Finale 98
I am a long time (v.2) Finale user but prefer Sib. I would say both are definitely capable of the same result, minus the human imperfections. Interestingly, one of the minor reasons I prefer Sib. is because Finale output, to me, often looks too mechanical. Tosh. Both apps are capable of making the
Can someone explain why, legally, Keith can't just photocopy or re-engrave the deteriorating parts? If I buy a CD, I have the legal right to rip it to my iPod, back it up to my hard drive, burn a second copy for personal use, etc. If I buy a piece of software, I have the legal right to make a
Jonathan Smith écrit: I didn't get any import duties this time with 2007 (USA-France). Maybe I was lucky! But I noticed that MM had placed a sticker on the package that stated that tax had already been paid on the item etc. I paid $138.90 in total. Thanks for this information, Jonathan
shirling neueweise écrit: anyone have any extra costs added to their order "as a result of taxes, customs fees, import duties, brokerage fees, etc."? Yes, 31 euros when I ordered Finale 2004 from France. Dennis Dennis,I didn't get any import duties this time with 2007 (USA-France). Maybe I was
Hope this helps someone else, because it just cost me over an hour... Christopher Chris,Thanks, that certainly will help me (flailing HP5000n). Not sure how this is going to work in conjuction with the printing presets. I swop around a lot from 2 up and 1 up and frequently print out A4 A5 parts
Or invest in something like http://fontlab.com/Font-tools/Fontographer/ Which will covert the font to OS X. I did this on Golden Age and Swing Fonts and they print and display fine now. Thanks Eric. I have had a look around for various font converters, they're not cheap, especially as all I
Thanks for the email on Don. I emailed him last night and here is his slightly edited reply ...Mark,Use the Mac GO menu to browse your way to my public iDisk folderDonRice1no password neededgrab the fonts from thereor as an alternate route from Windows or Mac surf
So whose fault is it that you can no longer use Golden Age? Be sure you put blame where it properly belongs.Hesitating to reply to my own reply, I feel it important to point out that people have suggested ways around your problem. It sounds as if you don't want to pay that sort of money, which
After many years’ hiatus, I find myself getting back into the music biz, but I am unable to locate a faithful old friend, namely the Golden Age typeface created by Donald Rice. I was unable to find much info on the web, and have so far received no response from Mr. Rice with the email addresses I
I remember some discussion a while ago about cleaning and maintenance for the HP 5000 printer duplexer - a maintenance kit or some such - and what to use as a solvent. Don't know how to search the list. Anybody remember, or can point me in the right direction? Duplexer jams every page, and a
Please folks, a bit of advice.We, (Canberra City Band here in Australia) have a very tatty copy of the Maurice Jarre music for the film Lawrence of Arabia.It works wonderfully for concert band and we dig it out every couple of years and thoroughly enjoy playing it. The audience loves it too!
I saw this on the An Overgrown Path Blog yesterday:
The renowned conductor Robert King (above),
Couldn't this really have be marked as an OT subject?
Jonathan
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Has anyone any clues as to why hard spaces (alt-spacebar) placed in
lyrics are showing on screen but don't appear in print or in preview
or pdfs. Is this a:
Font problem; Adobe PostScript Type 1,
or an OS; Mac10.4.2,
or Finale; 2005 2006?
Thanks in advance,
Jonathan
Jonathan wrote: Has anyone any clues as to why hard spaces (alt-spacebar) placed in lyrics are showing on screen but don't appear in print or in preview or pdfs. Is this a: Font problem; Adobe PostScript Type 1, or an OS; Mac10.4.2, or Finale; 2005 2006? prompting Bernard to respond: I think the
Has anyone any clues as to why hard spaces (alt-spacebar) placed in lyrics are showing on screen but don't appear in print or in preview or pdfs. Is this a: Font problem; Adobe PostScript Type 1, or an OS; Mac10.4.2, or Finale; 2005 2006? Thanks in advance Hi Jonathan, I read somewhere that
While I'm on a rant, which clever Trevor decided to pop in the "Items to copy" dialogue EVERY time I want to mass mover copy something. (Someone, please tell me there is way out of this annoyance, maybe hidden deep in a program options menu that has a double sub dialogue that they have altered 4
Close, but used to be cmd ~. Maybe on non-US keyboard maps it was cmd . Christopher Are you sure? It was cmd-opt~ on my kbds (French and U.K. layout) with 2005. It was even something else way back many versions before, but my patience has worn too thin to bother finding it. This key stroke was
I use "Show active layer" a lot, along with "changing enharmonic spelling" (who doesn't?)and:Measurement unitsFile Info (where data for text block inserts can be stored)Page SetupExtract Parts (who doesn't?)Update Smart Word Exts (because leaving it on auto slows everything down)Display in/out of
John,You should stick with your tried and trusted 'long winded' method like I have.You would have already saved yourself time. I was pulled up for suggesting this only a few digests back - but there you go, each to his own method!Finalescript - not that simple is it really guys? Jonathan Thanks
I believe Dennis already knew he could enter the page ranges by hand, the idea was to make this easier. Johannes In that case I apologize. I was under the impression that he was stuck with a problem - probably the 2004 bug and was offering a solution that will work, even though it takes a few
Dennis,I've never stuck with any automated/plugin setting for this as it is quicker to do it yourself. You have much more control and it's bug free = less time and paper wasted on someone else's idea that hasn't even been tested properly.Here are my thoughts:If you think about it, any booklet
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