Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Download/Install App

2005-11-27 Thread Arthur Wiebe
> Why do you think that? I've not seen any negative responses. > It's like everything else, a good idea is always welcome but like you, > others might not have time to develop it (right away). > > Erik > Well it may be a good idea, but just not worth the development time for most people. But if an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Download/Install App

2005-11-27 Thread Erik Hofman
Arthur Wiebe wrote: But as it seems to be a bad idea, I guess we can forget this thread. Why do you think that? I've not seen any negative responses. It's like everything else, a good idea is always welcome but like you, others might not have time to develop it (right away). Erik _

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Download/Install App

2005-11-26 Thread Arthur Wiebe
> And maybe it would also be a good idea to package aircraft and scenery > in rpm or deb format. That way you don't have to worry about > dependencies like how so many planes use the p51 instruments. fgadmin > could run it's own rpm or deb database. Not sure how this would work on > non-unix platfo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Download/Install App

2005-11-26 Thread Josh Babcock
Arthur Wiebe wrote: > This is an idea that's been floating around in my head for awhile, > mainly because there is currently no *very easy* way for a newbie to > install new aircraft in FlightGear. Unless that user is used to going > through Program\ Files in Windows and through package contents on

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Download/Install App

2005-11-26 Thread AJ MacLeod
On Saturday 26 November 2005 14:25, Arthur Wiebe wrote: > The idea is for an aircraft application. This application would > download (preferrably an XML file) from a server, parse, and through a > GUI have the ability to select aircraft, see details including > previews, press a button to download

[Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Download/Install App

2005-11-26 Thread Arthur Wiebe
This is an idea that's been floating around in my head for awhile, mainly because there is currently no *very easy* way for a newbie to install new aircraft in FlightGear. Unless that user is used to going through Program\ Files in Windows and through package contents on OSX. The idea is for an ai

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft for v0.9.9

2005-11-21 Thread Josh Babcock
Lee Elliott wrote: > On Friday 18 Nov 2005 15:25, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > >>Aircraft authors (or other interested parties.) >> >>Take a look at the latest aircraft download page: >> >>http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft/ >> >>There are quite a few aircraft with no thumbnail.jpg created >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft for v0.9.9

2005-11-20 Thread Lee Elliott
On Friday 18 Nov 2005 15:25, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > Aircraft authors (or other interested parties.) > > Take a look at the latest aircraft download page: > > http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft/ > > There are quite a few aircraft with no thumbnail.jpg created > for the web page. We need

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft for v0.9.9

2005-11-19 Thread Bohnert Paul
I can work on aircraft thumbnails for the download page. What is the best way to submit them? Regards, Paul Bohnert "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Aircraft authors (or other interested parties.)Take a look at the latest aircraft download page:http://www.flightgear.org/Download

[Flightgear-devel] Aircraft for v0.9.9

2005-11-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Aircraft authors (or other interested parties.) Take a look at the latest aircraft download page: http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft/ There are quite a few aircraft with no thumbnail.jpg created for the web page. We need a 171x128 pixel image for each aircraft that has a 3d model.

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft models

2005-06-03 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Jon "Jon Berndt" writes I'm interested in tallying up the existing JSBSim aircraft flight models. I'd be interested to know (either by posting here or sending me a personal email) which aircraft you have modeled. It seems there are a lot of models floating around that are not really know

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft models

2005-06-03 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On June 3, 2005 12:33 pm, Jon Berndt wrote: > I'm interested in tallying up the existing JSBSim aircraft flight models. > I'd be interested to know (either by posting here or sending me a personal > email) which aircraft you have modeled. It seems there are a lot of models > floating around that ar

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft models

2005-06-03 Thread Gerard ROBIN
Le vendredi 03 juin 2005 à 07:33 -0500, Jon Berndt a écrit : > I'm interested in tallying up the existing JSBSim aircraft flight models. I'd > be > interested to know (either by posting here or sending me a personal email) > which aircraft > you have modeled. It seems there are a lot of models fl

[Flightgear-devel] Aircraft models

2005-06-03 Thread Jon Berndt
I'm interested in tallying up the existing JSBSim aircraft flight models. I'd be interested to know (either by posting here or sending me a personal email) which aircraft you have modeled. It seems there are a lot of models floating around that are not really known about (albeit in various states

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-12 Thread Josh Babcock
Jon Stockill wrote: > Ben Morrison wrote: > >> Yeah, I gave up on trying to work with Blender because of its interface. >> One of my co-workers likes Blender but I think it is only because it is >> free. I will look at AC3D. > > > I have a registered version of AC3D, and now prefer to work in

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-12 Thread Ben Morrison
This doesn't relate to this topic in anyway but the site looks like it is partially down (www.flightgear.org). The menu on the left is missing. Has anyone else noticed this? I am getting javascript errors and after viewing the source it looks like the function call MainMenu() is causing an error

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-12 Thread Gerard ROBIN
Le jeudi 12 mai 2005 Ã 16:33 +0200, Erik Hofman a Ãcrit : > Gerard ROBIN wrote: > > > AC3D could be a good tool at the beginning when you start with 3D > > modelling. But it is limited. You will discover quickly functionalities > > missing. Look at the A380 wings shape. you cannot do it with AC3D

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-12 Thread Erik Hofman
Gerard ROBIN wrote: AC3D could be a good tool at the beginning when you start with 3D modelling. But it is limited. You will discover quickly functionalities missing. Look at the A380 wings shape. you cannot do it with AC3D. Why not, is that forbidden? Erik

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-12 Thread Gerard ROBIN
Le jeudi 12 mai 2005 Ã 09:46 -0400, Ben Morrison a Ãcrit : > > "Ben Morrison" writes > > >The problem with this approach is that I have no experience with modelling > >aircraft. I have downloaded blender and played around with it but that's > >about it. How long would you say it would take yo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-12 Thread Jon Stockill
Ben Morrison wrote: Yeah, I gave up on trying to work with Blender because of its interface. One of my co-workers likes Blender but I think it is only because it is free. I will look at AC3D. I have a registered version of AC3D, and now prefer to work in blender - once you learn the interface i

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-12 Thread Ben Morrison
"Ben Morrison" writes >The problem with this approach is that I have no experience with modeling >aircraft. I have downloaded blender and played around with it but that's >about it. How long would you say it would take you to create this model, >just so I have an idea. I was also wondering

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-11 Thread Innis Cunningham
"Ben Morrison" writes The problem with this approach is that I have no experience with modeling aircraft. I have downloaded blender and played around with it but that's about it. How long would you say it would take you to create this model, just so I have an idea. I was also wondering if taki

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-11 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On May 11, 2005 01:35 pm, Ben Morrison wrote: > When you refer to data, are you referring to the dimensions of the > aircraft? Sort of, but "dimensions of parts on the aircraft" would be a better description. =) Ampere ___ Flightgear-devel mailing l

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-11 Thread Ben Morrison
When you refer to data, are you referring to the dimensions of the aircraft? If so, I have all of this data already. The problem I see is my lack of experience with Blender and the fact that I am a computer programmer not a graphics artist. If someone enjoys drawing models I would be happy to gi

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-11 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On May 11, 2005 09:47 am, Ben Morrison wrote: > How long would you say it would take you to create this model, > just so I have an idea.   It depends. How much data have you gathered? The more data you have, the less guess work you have to do, and the quicker you can get the model to look right

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-11 Thread Ben Morrison
Besides the small matter of getting permission from the original modeller to modify and release under the GPL.Separating out all the objects and animating them can be nearly as hard as building the model from scratch.MSFS use a different approach for animation they build different objects for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Harald Harald JOHNSEN writes I'd like to work on a plane too in my spare time (model, animation or panel). Do we know of some aircraft from cvs that need some work or is it better to start a new one ? What type of aircraft are people using or would like to use ? Of the two you mention above(y

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi Ben "Ben Morrison" writes Sorry, I am not being very clear. When I asked for a good example to start with, I meant which aircraft is the most complete. For example, which has sounds, panels, landing gear and flap animations, etc. For the 3d model I think I will try to convert a model made for

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Innis Cunningham
"Ampere K. Hardraade" writes On May 10, 2005 03:59 am, Erik Hofman wrote: > To be clear, are you talking about a 3d model or about a flight dynamics > model (which describes how the aircraft should handle)? > > In case of the latter, there is already a (beta) C130 configuration file > for JSBSim

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On May 10, 2005 01:48 pm, Harald JOHNSEN wrote: > I'd like to work on a plane too in my spare time (model, animation or > panel). > Do we know of some aircraft from cvs that need some work or is it better > to start a new one ? > > Harald. There are quite a few aircrafts in the cvs that need to be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Martin Spott
Harald JOHNSEN wrote: > What type of aircraft are people using or would like to use ? Well, you'd make a crazy guy happy if you add a C150 to FlightGear but I think you should better build one that you _personally_ like. Creating an aircraft for FG is apparently a lot of work and you need a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Curtis L. Olson wrote: Ben Morrison wrote: Sorry, I am not being very clear. When I asked for a good example to start with, I meant which aircraft is the most complete. For example, which has sounds, panels, landing gear and flap animations, etc. For the 3d model I think I will try to convert

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On May 10, 2005 03:59 am, Erik Hofman wrote: > To be clear, are you talking about a 3d model or about a flight dynamics > model (which describes how the aircraft should handle)? > > In case of the latter, there is already a (beta) C130 configuration file > for JSBSim available: > > http://cvs.sourc

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 10 May 2005 14:35:47 +0100, Jon wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ben Morrison wrote: > > > Sorry, I am not being very clear. When I asked for a good example > > to start with, I meant which aircraft is the most complete. For > > example, which has sounds, panels, landing gear an

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Ben Morrison wrote: Sorry, I am not being very clear. When I asked for a good example to start with, I meant which aircraft is the most complete. For example, which has sounds, panels, landing gear and flap animations, etc. For the 3d model I think I will try to convert a model made for Microsof

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Jon Stockill
Ben Morrison wrote: Sorry, I am not being very clear. When I asked for a good example to start with, I meant which aircraft is the most complete. For example, which has sounds, panels, landing gear and flap animations, etc. For the 3d model I think I will try to convert a model made for Microsof

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Ben Morrison
Ben Morrison wrote: > I will be working on adding the AC130-H to flightgear but I haven't > worked with the aircraft models yet and only have a small grasp on how > it works. I was wondering has anyone else worked with a similar To be clear, are you talking about a 3d model or about a flight

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Ben Morrison
Ben Morrison wrote: > I will be working on adding the AC130-H to flightgear but I haven't > worked with the aircraft models yet and only have a small grasp on how > it works. I was wondering has anyone else worked with a similar To be clear, are you talking about a 3d model or about a flight

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-10 Thread Erik Hofman
Ben Morrison wrote: I will be working on adding the AC130-H to flightgear but I haven’t worked with the aircraft models yet and only have a small grasp on how it works. I was wondering has anyone else worked with a similar To be clear, are you talking about a 3d model or about a flight dynamics

[Flightgear-devel] Aircraft Model: AC130-H

2005-05-09 Thread Ben Morrison
I will be working on adding the AC130-H to flightgear but I haven’t worked with the aircraft models yet and only have a small grasp on how it works.  I was wondering has anyone else worked with a similar aircraft to this one and could pass any information along or which one of the aircraft

[Flightgear-devel] Aircraft model releases

2005-01-28 Thread Jim Wilson
The 1/26 updates should be fine, but there are quite a few changes going in (and one already in CVS) for the p51d that will make it incompatible with the last flightgear release. Not sure how this should be handled. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mai

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft loading problem in 9.8

2005-01-24 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On January 24, 2005 03:45 am, Erik Hofman wrote: > I expect you have replaced the accelerated drivers by a software only > driver now. You should have installed the mesag3-dev package only. > > Erik On January 24, 2005 07:32 am, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > As someone else mentioned, it sounds like y

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft loading problem in 9.8

2005-01-24 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: On January 21, 2005 09:01 am, Frederic Bouvier wrote: Quoting Innis Cunningham: "Curtis L. Olson" writes Innis, I had no problem loading the version Ampere sent me in v0.9.8. I did notice there was a large (and seemingly arbitrary) mix of file permission,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft loading problem in 9.8

2005-01-24 Thread Erik Hofman
Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: Now, I got a little problem of my own. Initially, I couldn't compile plib because it kept saying that I am missing glList and glLookat. This was "fixed" after I installed mesag3, and the computer automatically removed libraries belonged to x-window and x-lib-mesa. T

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft loading problem in 9.8

2005-01-23 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On January 21, 2005 09:01 am, Frederic Bouvier wrote: > Quoting Innis Cunningham: > > "Curtis L. Olson" writes > > > > >Innis, > > > > > >I had no problem loading the version Ampere sent me in v0.9.8. I did > > >notice there was a large (and seemingly arbitrary) mix of file > > > permission, cap

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft loading problem in 9.8

2005-01-21 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Quoting Innis Cunningham: > "Curtis L. Olson" writes > > > >Innis, > > > >I had no problem loading the version Ampere sent me in v0.9.8. I did > >notice there was a large (and seemingly arbitrary) mix of file permission, > >capitalization, etc. I'm running linux. If you are running windows, >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft loading problem in 9.8

2005-01-21 Thread Innis Cunningham
"Curtis L. Olson" writes Innis, I had no problem loading the version Ampere sent me in v0.9.8. I did notice there was a large (and seemingly arbitrary) mix of file permission, capitalization, etc. I'm running linux. If you are running windows, perhaps there is a dos/unix line ending problem

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft loading problem in 9.8

2005-01-21 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Innis, I had no problem loading the version Ampere sent me in v0.9.8. I did notice there was a large (and seemingly arbitrary) mix of file permission, capitalization, etc. I'm running linux. If you are running windows, perhaps there is a dos/unix line ending problem in one of the files? Cur

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-21 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:27:42 +, Lee wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: ..this looong post with unsnipped quotes is a FG licensing FAQ candidate, so I don't snip this time. > On Thursday 20 January 2005 16:13, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:54:42 +, Lee wrote in message

Re: [Flightgear-devel] aircraft required to start

2005-01-21 Thread David Luff
On 21/01/2005 at 10:05 Jim Wilson wrote: >Frederic Bouvier said: > >> Stewart Andreason a écrit : >> >> > It seems this aircraft is required to start FlightGear. >> > >> > > fgfs >> > >> > WARNING: ssgLoadAC: Failed to open >> > '/usr/local/share/FlightGear/data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models/pa28-16

Re: [Flightgear-devel] aircraft required to start

2005-01-21 Thread Thomas Förster
Am Freitag 21 Januar 2005 08:59 schrieb Frederic Bouvier: > Stewart Andreason a écrit : > > It seems this aircraft is required to start FlightGear. > > > > > fgfs > > > > WARNING: ssgLoadAC: Failed to open > > '/usr/local/share/FlightGear/data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models/pa28-161.ac' > > for reading

Re: [Flightgear-devel] aircraft required to start

2005-01-21 Thread Jim Wilson
Frederic Bouvier said: > Stewart Andreason a écrit : > > > It seems this aircraft is required to start FlightGear. > > > > > fgfs > > > > WARNING: ssgLoadAC: Failed to open > > '/usr/local/share/FlightGear/data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models/pa28-161.ac' > > for reading > > Abort > > > This plane is r

Re: [Flightgear-devel] aircraft required to start

2005-01-21 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Stewart Andreason a écrit : It seems this aircraft is required to start FlightGear. > fgfs WARNING: ssgLoadAC: Failed to open '/usr/local/share/FlightGear/data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models/pa28-161.ac' for reading Abort This plane is required by the AI/ATC module and has been removed from the standar

[Flightgear-devel] Aircraft loading problem in 9.8

2005-01-20 Thread Innis Cunningham
Hi All As you may or maynot be aware Ampere Hardraade and I are building the A380 for FG but when I went to put the A380 folder into the Aircraft folder in 9.8 and run the sim I get this fault "failed to load aircraft from Aircraft/A380/XML /A380.xml". fallig back to glider.ac. Now you may notice t

[Flightgear-devel] aircraft required to start

2005-01-20 Thread Stewart Andreason
It seems this aircraft is required to start FlightGear. > fgfs WARNING: ssgLoadAC: Failed to open '/usr/local/share/FlightGear/data/Aircraft/pa28-161/Models/pa28-161.ac' for reading Abort Stewart ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightg

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 20:10, David Megginson wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:06:13 +, Dave Martin > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is there any way to get a compensated 'TAS' output to drive the ASI > > because I *think* the B1900D's ASI is compensated (but I must check) > > I'd be pretty i

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 20 January 2005 19:47, Jim Wilson wrote: > David Luff said: > > On 20/01/2005 at 10:55 Jon Berndt wrote: > > >> Ok wrong word. Let me just say that it seems to lack > > >> some magic. > > > > > >Setting up > > > > > >> the p51d in Yasim was not my original intention as Jon S. > > >> Be

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread David Megginson
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 20:06:13 +, Dave Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there any way to get a compensated 'TAS' output to drive the ASI because I > *think* the B1900D's ASI is compensated (but I must check) I'd be pretty incredibly surprised to see an ASI doing that. Some ASIs do have a

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 19:47, Jim Wilson wrote: > We'd be a lot further or at least I'd have accomplished more along the > lines of 3D modeling and enhancing animation/rendering code if I hadn't > spent so much time working on something I know hardly anything about > (flight modeling). This isn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 19:45, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > Dave Martin wrote: > >Aha! My mistake - it appears that the ASI in the b1900d is not pressure > >compensated. According to the GPS, the aircraft is achieving its expected > > GS of 270kts. > > > >Am I understanding that correctly? > > Yes,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:57, David Megginson wrote: > You know, after reading some of the other comments, I'm starting to > like the idea of having just the c172p in the base package. You should try helping clueless windows users to install scenery files in the IRC channel sometime. A lot

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Jim Wilson
David Luff said: > > On 20/01/2005 at 10:55 Jon Berndt wrote: > > >> Ok wrong word. Let me just say that it seems to lack some magic. > >Setting up > >> the p51d in Yasim was not my original intention as Jon S. Berdnt was > >claiming > >> at the time I started the 3D that he had a nearly worki

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Dave Martin wrote: Aha! My mistake - it appears that the ASI in the b1900d is not pressure compensated. According to the GPS, the aircraft is achieving its expected GS of 270kts. Am I understanding that correctly? Yes, you have to input true airspeed into the cruise section, not indicate

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 20 January 2005 16:45, Jim Wilson wrote: > Dave Martin said: > > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 16:13, Jim Wilson wrote: > > > Dave Martin said: > > > > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 14:42, Jim Wilson wrote: > > > > getting an aircraft working > > > > > > > > > is about 2 parts theory and 1 part vo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-20 Thread Lee Elliott
On Thursday 20 January 2005 16:13, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:54:42 +, Lee wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Wednesday 19 January 2005 20:23, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:26:57 +, Lee wrote in message > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-20 Thread Oliver C.
On Wednesday 19 January 2005 22:28, David Megginson wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:08:38 +, Lee Elliott > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While it can make things difficult, or even impossible, one can't > > force people to use a licence. One can't tell people what to > > do... > > I don't t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 18:01, Dave Martin wrote: > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 17:37, Jim Wilson wrote: > > Yes, I'm aware of the theory behind fixing these issues, but from the > > beginning I was compensating for them and getting reasonable thrust > > numbers (I think you are thinking of Vivian wit

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 17:37, Jim Wilson wrote: > Yes, I'm aware of the theory behind fixing these issues, but from the > beginning I was compensating for them and getting reasonable thrust numbers > (I think you are thinking of Vivian with the spitfire). On the last round > Andy made some code

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread David Luff
On 20/01/2005 at 10:55 Jon Berndt wrote: >> Ok wrong word. Let me just say that it seems to lack some magic. >Setting up >> the p51d in Yasim was not my original intention as Jon S. Berdnt was >claiming >> at the time I started the 3D that he had a nearly working JSBSim model. > > ... which I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Jim Wilson
"Curtis L. Olson" said: > > > >The biggest tradeoffs seemed to be in trying to balance high end performance, > >(e.g. altitude, speed) against having enough drag to get reasonable behavior > >at lower power settings. It seems pretty common for yasim models to glide > >too > >much (excessive lift

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread David Megginson
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:42:40 -, Jim Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Probably I've got this wrong, but isn't the c-172 our most refined/realistic > flightmodel? My impression of yasim, from using it for the p51d, but not as > an aero engineer, is that getting an aircraft working is about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Jim Wilson wrote: Dave Martin said: On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 16:13, Jim Wilson wrote: Dave Martin said: On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 14:42, Jim Wilson wrote: getting an aircraft working is about 2 parts theory and 1 part voodoo (the part that the basic formulas don't cover).

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Jon Berndt
> Ok wrong word. Let me just say that it seems to lack some magic. Setting up > the p51d in Yasim was not my original intention as Jon S. Berdnt was claiming > at the time I started the 3D that he had a nearly working JSBSim model. ... which I did. I thought. The more I looked at the numbers fo

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Jim Wilson
Dave Martin said: > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 16:13, Jim Wilson wrote: > > Dave Martin said: > > > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 14:42, Jim Wilson wrote: > > > getting an aircraft working > > > > > > > is about 2 parts theory and 1 part voodoo (the part that the basic > > > > formulas don't cover). > > >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 16:13, Jim Wilson wrote: > Dave Martin said: > > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 14:42, Jim Wilson wrote: > > getting an aircraft working > > > > > is about 2 parts theory and 1 part voodoo (the part that the basic > > > formulas don't cover). > > > > "Any sufficiently advanced tec

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Jim Wilson
Dave Martin said: > On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 14:42, Jim Wilson wrote: > getting an aircraft working > > is about 2 parts theory and 1 part voodoo (the part that the basic formulas > > don't cover). > > > > "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Sir > Arthur C Cl

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:54:42 +, Lee wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wednesday 19 January 2005 20:23, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:26:57 +, Lee wrote in message > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I've got to disagree with you regarding linking to non-GPL'd > >

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:48:22 +, Dave wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Wednesday 19 Jan 2005 22:29, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > > Oh, and please, those who need to eat or feed their kids, please > > continue to do so. :-) > > > > Curt. > > I find it vaguely disturbing that you feel

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 14:42, Jim Wilson wrote: getting an aircraft working > is about 2 parts theory and 1 part voodoo (the part that the basic formulas > don't cover). > > Best, > > Jim "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" - Sir Arthur C Clarke. Dave Martin

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:38:49 -0600, Curtis L. Olson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would tend to agree with you with one exception. The default C-172 is > > very functional, but it is not our best model. A nice thing about > > including multiple aircraft is you can

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-20 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:38:49 -0600, Curtis L. Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would tend to agree with you with one exception. The default C-172 is > very functional, but it is not our best model. A nice thing about > including multiple aircraft is you can see some different nice things > t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On January 19, 2005 06:00 pm, Enrique Vaamonde wrote: > It would be nice to sort the aircrafts by categories in the main a/c > download page, for example airliners, military/jet, commuters, gliders etc. > It will have to be done eventually when more a/c are designed, imho. May be we should just us

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson wrote: You know, after reading some of the other comments, I'm starting to like the idea of having just the c172p in the base package. In combination with this change, I'd like us to start thinking about changing the starting airport to Palo Alto (KPAO) rather than KSFO. It's more

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 20:57:13 -0500 David Megginson wrote: > > In combination with this change, I'd like us to start thinking about > changing the starting airport to Palo Alto (KPAO) rather than KSFO. > It's more in proportion with the C-172, and with a few buildings, > etc., we could have it look

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Martin
On Thursday 20 Jan 2005 01:57, David Megginson wrote: > In combination with this change, I'd like us to start thinking about > changing the starting airport to Palo Alto (KPAO) rather than KSFO. > It's more in proportion with the C-172, and with a few buildings, > etc., we could have it looking qu

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 10:53:33 -0500, Josh Babcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd like to see a golden age or WWII multi engine, but I guess the DC3 isn't > ready for prime time yet. I'm also *cough* working on a B29, but I haven't > touched it in months. I was in the middle of getting a Yasim c

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft included in base package

2005-01-19 Thread Josh Babcock
Curtis L. Olson wrote: I know we can debate this endlessly so I hesitate to even bring this up, but are there any particular aircraft that absolutely, positively, must be in the base package. Now that we have a separate aircraft download page, there's no need to include every aircraft in the ba

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads

2005-01-19 Thread Enrique Vaamonde
I have a few suggestions to improve the current aircraft download page: It would be nice to sort the aircrafts by categories in the main a/c download page, for example airliners, military/jet, commuters, gliders etc. It will have to be done eventually when more a/c are designed, imho. The other s

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 00:20:57 +0200, Paul Surgeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sure GPL can work in some scenarios but if your market is 1000 copies and you > charge $50 for your product you can't possibly afford to license your work as > GPL and expect to keep food on the table for your kids to ea

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Martin
On Wednesday 19 Jan 2005 22:29, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > Oh, and please, those who need to eat or feed their kids, please > continue to do so. :-) > > Curt. I find it vaguely disturbing that you feel it is okay for people to consume their offspring. Dave Martin

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Paul Surgeon wrote: On Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:28, David Megginson wrote: As I mentioned before, I also think that the user community will vote for the open source models with its feet (or, I guess, mice) and tend to stomp out others with social pressure or at least apathy. There is s

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Paul Surgeon
On Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:28, David Megginson wrote: > As I mentioned before, I also think that the user community will vote > for the open source models with its feet (or, I guess, mice) and tend > to stomp out others with social pressure or at least apathy. There is still place for non-GP

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Jim Wilson
Jim Wilson said: > David Megginson said: > > > use in the Occupied Territories, and package #18 is for use only by > > Ralph Nader supporters"). > > > > That's it! From now on I'm licensing all my work under #18. I wonder if he > uses debian on his laptop. Probably not. Well at least now fl

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: > use in the Occupied Territories, and package #18 is for use only by > Ralph Nader supporters"). > Thats it! From now on I'm licensing all my work under #18. I wonder if Ralph uses debian on his laptop. Probably not. Well at least now flightgear will come up when someo

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson said: > use in the Occupied Territories, and package #18 is for use only by > Ralph Nader supporters"). > That's it! From now on I'm licensing all my work under #18. I wonder if he uses debian on his laptop. Probably not. Well at least now flightgear will come up when someone

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:38:18 + Dave Martin wrote: > > I think I misworded that a bit. I was meaning the 'one liner' that is > often added to the GPL copyright notice which includes the originating > Author's name. > > > one line to give the program's name and an idea of what it does. > > Copyr

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread David Megginson
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:08:38 +, Lee Elliott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While it can make things difficult, or even impossible, one can't > force people to use a licence. One can't tell people what to > do... I don't think anyone has suggested that, except to set it up as a strawman to argu

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Dave Martin
On Wednesday 19 Jan 2005 21:21, Chris Metzler wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:02:10 + > > Dave Martin wrote: > > The authors would have no recourse then. If they had willingly licenced > > their work under the GPL, they are permitting anyone to make commercial > > use of their models / work pro

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 15:59:07 -0500 David Megginson wrote: > > Note that he said that the changed the credit to hide the origin of > the sounds: that violates the GPL. Yes, if the credit they're changing is in the accompanying copyright notice. No, if it's some statement of credit in an accompanyi

Re: Licensing (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Aircraft downloads)

2005-01-19 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:02:10 + Dave Martin wrote: > > The authors would have no recourse then. If they had willingly licenced > their work under the GPL, they are permitting anyone to make commercial > use of their models / work providing that credit is not removed Just for clarification, you

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