Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?)
window-eyes doesn't need to be unloaded either but you actually don't need to even turn the speech off in that as it will just say the game name and not bother you with telling such obvias things as cursor keys being pressed. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?) Just as a vaguely informational point, with hal there is never any need to actually shut the program down. The voice can be turned off with ctrl 0, and at that point all commands which do not directly interfere with hal's own commands are absolutely fine to use, --- in fact the only real reason to turn the voice off is to stop random chatter throughout the game. In games which use the number pad, - or the F keys when playing on a laptop, and thus conflict with Hal's own commands, it's also necessary to turn Hal's keys off with ctrl 8 after turning the voice off. Sinse ctrl space is needed to enter Hal's control panel, --- it's necessary to do this in Q9 as well, though it's not really a problem. I believe the reason hal can stil run and not conflictwith games etc is something to do with the way hal handles keystrokes being different to the way Jaws (or I believe window eyes), does, but I'm not sure. this is just some extra information, sinse I've noticed a lot of developers automatically instruct players to shut down their screen readers before playing as a matter of course, which obviously isn't as necessary with Hal. Probably because i'm used to it, I admit I like Hal's system, sinse it means I can very literally start a game up, then flick off Hal's voice and possibly keys if needed while the game is running, and don't have the bother of having to setup short cuts or some other way of starting the games without being able to read the screen. btw, this isn't intended as a Hal vs jaws bash, such conversations are rarely useful, - particularly with someone like me who's used Hal for so long, I'm incredibly used to the way it does things, and would find different methods slightly confusing, the couple of occasions I've had chance to play with a system with Jaws installed on it were not happy ones exactly for this reason. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
o no not her! I just hate that voice! it has little to no intonation if you ask me. and no I haven't listened yet. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Was wondering about that, just wasn't completely sure; something sounded just slightly off. Best regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... It was Karen. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Thomas, All I can say sis.wow. That was extraordinary. Two things though. Firstly, there was a sound I heard when you picked something up that sounded like a weapon; is that a secret, or can you tell me what that was? Secondly, what voice is that? It sound reminiscent of Karyn, but not quite. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?)
Well, you can set hal to do that as well if you wish, but personally I always prefer voice off anyway. Glad to here Window eyes does this too. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?) window-eyes doesn't need to be unloaded either but you actually don't need to even turn the speech off in that as it will just say the game name and not bother you with telling such obvias things as cursor keys being pressed. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:27 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?) Just as a vaguely informational point, with hal there is never any need to actually shut the program down. The voice can be turned off with ctrl 0, and at that point all commands which do not directly interfere with hal's own commands are absolutely fine to use, --- in fact the only real reason to turn the voice off is to stop random chatter throughout the game. In games which use the number pad, - or the F keys when playing on a laptop, and thus conflict with Hal's own commands, it's also necessary to turn Hal's keys off with ctrl 8 after turning the voice off. Sinse ctrl space is needed to enter Hal's control panel, --- it's necessary to do this in Q9 as well, though it's not really a problem. I believe the reason hal can stil run and not conflictwith games etc is something to do with the way hal handles keystrokes being different to the way Jaws (or I believe window eyes), does, but I'm not sure. this is just some extra information, sinse I've noticed a lot of developers automatically instruct players to shut down their screen readers before playing as a matter of course, which obviously isn't as necessary with Hal. Probably because i'm used to it, I admit I like Hal's system, sinse it means I can very literally start a game up, then flick off Hal's voice and possibly keys if needed while the game is running, and don't have the bother of having to setup short cuts or some other way of starting the games without being able to read the screen. btw, this isn't intended as a Hal vs jaws bash, such conversations are rarely useful, - particularly with someone like me who's used Hal for so long, I'm incredibly used to the way it does things, and would find different methods slightly confusing, the couple of occasions I've had chance to play with a system with Jaws installed on it were not happy ones exactly for this reason. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?)
I have never had to turn either Window-Eyes or System Access off when playing almost any game. Yes, you do here some random chatter when you press keys, but that is all. There is no conflict with the keyboard, unless you use a hotkey that the screen reader uses. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:28 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?) Just as a vaguely informational point, with hal there is never any need to actually shut the program down. The voice can be turned off with ctrl 0, and at that point all commands which do not directly interfere with hal's own commands are absolutely fine to use, --- in fact the only real reason to turn the voice off is to stop random chatter throughout the game. In games which use the number pad, - or the F keys when playing on a laptop, and thus conflict with Hal's own commands, it's also necessary to turn Hal's keys off with ctrl 8 after turning the voice off. Sinse ctrl space is needed to enter Hal's control panel, --- it's necessary to do this in Q9 as well, though it's not really a problem. I believe the reason hal can stil run and not conflictwith games etc is something to do with the way hal handles keystrokes being different to the way Jaws (or I believe window eyes), does, but I'm not sure. this is just some extra information, sinse I've noticed a lot of developers automatically instruct players to shut down their screen readers before playing as a matter of course, which obviously isn't as necessary with Hal. Probably because i'm used to it, I admit I like Hal's system, sinse it means I can very literally start a game up, then flick off Hal's voice and possibly keys if needed while the game is running, and don't have the bother of having to setup short cuts or some other way of starting the games without being able to read the screen. btw, this isn't intended as a Hal vs jaws bash, such conversations are rarely useful, - particularly with someone like me who's used Hal for so long, I'm incredibly used to the way it does things, and would find different methods slightly confusing, the couple of occasions I've had chance to play with a system with Jaws installed on it were not happy ones exactly for this reason. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?)
On the subjcct of Screen Readers and games, I have found out something quite strange about Treasure Hunt. When I tried to enter the code into the control panel without JAWS loaded, I could not-turned out I had to load JAWS to do it. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Karl Belanger Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:22 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?) I have never had to turn either Window-Eyes or System Access off when playing almost any game. Yes, you do here some random chatter when you press keys, but that is all. There is no conflict with the keyboard, unless you use a hotkey that the screen reader uses. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:28 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?) Just as a vaguely informational point, with hal there is never any need to actually shut the program down. The voice can be turned off with ctrl 0, and at that point all commands which do not directly interfere with hal's own commands are absolutely fine to use, --- in fact the only real reason to turn the voice off is to stop random chatter throughout the game. In games which use the number pad, - or the F keys when playing on a laptop, and thus conflict with Hal's own commands, it's also necessary to turn Hal's keys off with ctrl 8 after turning the voice off. Sinse ctrl space is needed to enter Hal's control panel, --- it's necessary to do this in Q9 as well, though it's not really a problem. I believe the reason hal can stil run and not conflictwith games etc is something to do with the way hal handles keystrokes being different to the way Jaws (or I believe window eyes), does, but I'm not sure. this is just some extra information, sinse I've noticed a lot of developers automatically instruct players to shut down their screen readers before playing as a matter of course, which obviously isn't as necessary with Hal. Probably because i'm used to it, I admit I like Hal's system, sinse it means I can very literally start a game up, then flick off Hal's voice and possibly keys if needed while the game is running, and don't have the bother of having to setup short cuts or some other way of starting the games without being able to read the screen. btw, this isn't intended as a Hal vs jaws bash, such conversations are rarely useful, - particularly with someone like me who's used Hal for so long, I'm incredibly used to the way it does things, and would find different methods slightly confusing, the couple of occasions I've had chance to play with a system with Jaws installed on it were not happy ones exactly for this reason. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Grin. You don't like Karyn? Personally, I preferred Heather for MOTA. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of peter Mahach Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:29 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... o no not her! I just hate that voice! it has little to no intonation if you ask me. and no I haven't listened yet. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Was wondering about that, just wasn't completely sure; something sounded just slightly off. Best regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... It was Karen. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Thomas, All I can say sis.wow. That was extraordinary. Two things though. Firstly, there was a sound I heard when you picked something up that sounded like a weapon; is that a secret, or can you tell me what that was? Secondly, what voice is that? It sound reminiscent of Karyn, but not quite. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
nods, me too. anything is better than caren. heck I can even cope with sam rofl though if I were thomas I'd either stick to heather or use another voice like neospeech kate just like in the old days. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Grin. You don't like Karyn? Personally, I preferred Heather for MOTA. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of peter Mahach Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:29 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... o no not her! I just hate that voice! it has little to no intonation if you ask me. and no I haven't listened yet. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Was wondering about that, just wasn't completely sure; something sounded just slightly off. Best regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 7:07 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... It was Karen. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 4:33 PM Subject: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Thomas, All I can say sis.wow. That was extraordinary. Two things though. Firstly, there was a sound I heard when you picked something up that sounded like a weapon; is that a secret, or can you tell me what that was? Secondly, what voice is that? It sound reminiscent of Karyn, but not quite. Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?)
Window-Eyes is the same way. I've had occasions where I forgot Window-Eyes was sill running and I booted and played a full game. Never got a sound from WE until I quit the game. JAWS certainly doesn't do that. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 11:27 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?) Just as a vaguely informational point, with hal there is never any need to actually shut the program down. The voice can be turned off with ctrl 0, and at that point all commands which do not directly interfere with hal's own commands are absolutely fine to use, --- in fact the only real reason to turn the voice off is to stop random chatter throughout the game. In games which use the number pad, - or the F keys when playing on a laptop, and thus conflict with Hal's own commands, it's also necessary to turn Hal's keys off with ctrl 8 after turning the voice off. Sinse ctrl space is needed to enter Hal's control panel, --- it's necessary to do this in Q9 as well, though it's not really a problem. I believe the reason hal can stil run and not conflictwith games etc is something to do with the way hal handles keystrokes being different to the way Jaws (or I believe window eyes), does, but I'm not sure. this is just some extra information, sinse I've noticed a lot of developers automatically instruct players to shut down their screen readers before playing as a matter of course, which obviously isn't as necessary with Hal. Probably because i'm used to it, I admit I like Hal's system, sinse it means I can very literally start a game up, then flick off Hal's voice and possibly keys if needed while the game is running, and don't have the bother of having to setup short cuts or some other way of starting the games without being able to read the screen. btw, this isn't intended as a Hal vs jaws bash, such conversations are rarely useful, - particularly with someone like me who's used Hal for so long, I'm incredibly used to the way it does things, and would find different methods slightly confusing, the couple of occasions I've had chance to play with a system with Jaws installed on it were not happy ones exactly for this reason. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?)
Fair enough Bryan, --- and good to here window eyes is so obliging, i must admit I've never even met anyone in this country who use window eyes, much less tried it myself, it's probably the one of the big three which i know least about. With hal, how necessary it is to turn the voice off depends upon whether you have Hal set to speak keystrokes which do not cause on screen changes. I usually have it set to do so, sinse occasionally I'll have several windows focused and it's handy to know whether I'm moving a curser around, tabbing or what, or whether the keystrokes are just pressing keys, but certainly it's not necessary for Hal to do this either, though just flicking voice and keys off and on is fairly easy to do as I said. Beware the gRue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] XP Gamer Woes (?)
Hi Bill, The problem you are facing has to do with the fact that Jaws and other screen readers do not play along well with DirectX. Games that use DirectInput lock up when the screen reader is running because the fact Jaws and the game are both trying to get direct access to the keyboard at the same time. The solution here is to either turn your screen reader off completely when playing the game, (recommended,) or put your screen reader to sleep while running the game. HTH William L. Houts wrote: Hi listers, I've tried several games in the last couple of days and all of them have been failures. I downloaded Smugglers 4, Q9 and the MOTA Demo, and despite the friendly invitation to select options with my arrow keys, I couldn't get my system to react at all. To top it off, I've just tried to play Core Exiles, and while I can log into the game with my character, I can't seem to work the combo boxes. Are these games made for post-XP Windows, or am I doing something wrong? --Bill --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and cracks
Hi Yohandy, Yes, I do. I use images rather than full system installs when reformatting or reinstalling the system. The exception is, of course, if I am doing a from scratch install with a new version of Windows, or need to update the images with a bunch of software upgrades. Smile Yohandy wrote: Thomas, ever considered imaging your system? It'll save you a great deal of time. reformats are a painful process. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?)
Hi Dark, It is interesting you bring this topic up. As it happens I am a Window eyes user, have been so for a number of years, and haven't experienced any issues with having it running while playing a game like Q9 or Mysteries of the Ancients. The problem with the screen reader and the games locking up seams to be a Jaws specific issue. If I start my copy of Jaws and run Mysteries of the Ancients the keyboard commands for the menus etc will do absolutely nothing. Unload Jaws and the game works fine. Load Window Eyes and the game together and the game works fine. So the problem is definitely Jaws specific. I've mentioned this problem to them a while back, but they did what they always do, and blew me off. Freedom Scientific really doesn't care about their customer base as far as I can tell. Plus some of their people have really narrow minded opinions on some things. dark wrote: Just as a vaguely informational point, with hal there is never any need to actually shut the program down. The voice can be turned off with ctrl 0, and at that point all commands which do not directly interfere with hal's own commands are absolutely fine to use, --- in fact the only real reason to turn the voice off is to stop random chatter throughout the game. In games which use the number pad, - or the F keys when playing on a laptop, and thus conflict with Hal's own commands, it's also necessary to turn Hal's keys off with ctrl 8 after turning the voice off. Sinse ctrl space is needed to enter Hal's control panel, --- it's necessary to do this in Q9 as well, though it's not really a problem. I believe the reason hal can stil run and not conflictwith games etc is something to do with the way hal handles keystrokes being different to the way Jaws (or I believe window eyes), does, but I'm not sure. this is just some extra information, sinse I've noticed a lot of developers automatically instruct players to shut down their screen readers before playing as a matter of course, which obviously isn't as necessary with Hal. Probably because i'm used to it, I admit I like Hal's system, sinse it means I can very literally start a game up, then flick off Hal's voice and possibly keys if needed while the game is running, and don't have the bother of having to setup short cuts or some other way of starting the games without being able to read the screen. btw, this isn't intended as a Hal vs jaws bash, such conversations are rarely useful, - particularly with someone like me who's used Hal for so long, I'm incredibly used to the way it does things, and would find different methods slightly confusing, the couple of occasions I've had chance to play with a system with Jaws installed on it were not happy ones exactly for this reason. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] XP Gamer Woes (?)
Hi Charles, Actually, to unload Jaws that is insert+f4 or if you care to use their proprietary terminology that is Jaws Key+f4. Smile Charles Rivard wrote: I never put JAWS to sleep. I always unload it with the control f4 command before loading any self-voicing game. That way, I am sure that there won't be any conflict. --- In God we trust! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?)
Interesting Tom. I admit, i know very litle about window eyes at all, in fact I didn't even know it existed until about 3 years ago. i suspect this is for the same reason that many people in the Us do not know about Hal. I wasn't sure about window eyes and games, though as so much audio games documentation reads turn off your screen reader rather than turn off Jaws I'd vaguely assumed that window eyes had the same trouble. Nice to know it doesn't, but what you say about freedom scientific is sad indeed, especially from someone who can phone up dolphin and get oh hello, how's your brother? though i admit having dealt with dolphin for the past eleven years, and indeed used dolphin software provided by school for six years before that, I'm probably in a slightly more unique position than some. Stil, I'm disturbed that an access tech company could be so irritating. When I report a bug to dolphin, or ask about Hal's compatibility with a given program, they're usually good about giving me an answer. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] heads up q9
Hi. http://technology.jaredrimer.net has a cast with the q9 demo in it. its just been released. still having huge issue beating q9 on easy. I have some success jumping on one spot over monsters but all my shields have been used up on level 1 and 2 and now well not sure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?)
Doubtless Dark the reason for that is that while they may say your screen reader, a lot of game developers probably assume most of their customer base uses JAWS. I myself was a staunch JAWS user until two years ago, when I discovered that JAWS won't let me use the NeoSpeach voices and Window-Eyes will. Then as I experimented I discovered that Window-Eyes worked so much better with just about every program I used. The bit with games was just an accidental discovery, but I still turn off Window-Eyes out of habbit when I play games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?) Interesting Tom. I admit, i know very litle about window eyes at all, in fact I didn't even know it existed until about 3 years ago. i suspect this is for the same reason that many people in the Us do not know about Hal. I wasn't sure about window eyes and games, though as so much audio games documentation reads turn off your screen reader rather than turn off Jaws I'd vaguely assumed that window eyes had the same trouble. Nice to know it doesn't, but what you say about freedom scientific is sad indeed, especially from someone who can phone up dolphin and get oh hello, how's your brother? though i admit having dealt with dolphin for the past eleven years, and indeed used dolphin software provided by school for six years before that, I'm probably in a slightly more unique position than some. Stil, I'm disturbed that an access tech company could be so irritating. When I report a bug to dolphin, or ask about Hal's compatibility with a given program, they're usually good about giving me an answer. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Peter, Personally, I have always felt that Scansoft Karen is the best voice for the Windows operating system that is currently available. It is based on a well known singer and voice actress, Karen Jacobson, who has become world famous for her voice. Obviously the TTS Engine falls short of her actual voice, but the TTS Engine is close enough for her fans. Since I could not realistically hire her for the game using the TTS Engine is the next best thing. I would challenge you to find a better female voice for the game. i've tried several voices ATT Crystal, Neospeech Kate, various Cepstral voices, and none lived up to my expectations. ATT Lorn isn't bad, but I don't actually own it thus can't use it. peter Mahach wrote: o no not her! I just hate that voice! it has little to no intonation if you ask me. and no I haven't listened yet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista?
Does it not work? Every time I even try installing the game I get the following error message which I will attempt to duplicate since I have no idea how I'd paste it. But after I click Install I get an error that says ISDN660.tmp, which says that the application could not start because it could not find a component. I'm sorry this isn't very specific but as I said I can't just copy and paste it and it's hard to get the Window-Eyes mouse cursor to route to that dialogue for some reason. I've begun wondering if Classic Troopanum even works on Vista. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Q9 and screen readers was: XP Gamer Woes (?)
That is probably true Bryan, I've noticed that some people tend to assume every person using a screen reader will automatically use Jaws. I was for instance a trifle irritated when during one of my first experiments with muds, I wrote to the admins of Alterean to get things working, and they sent me a link to some Jaws script files, despite the fact that i'd clearly stated in my E-mail I was using Hal. i must confess, during my one try out with jaws, I wasn't a fan, but given the amount of time I've used Hal that's not surprising, and I'm fairly certain there are people who would say the same thing upon trying Hal after using another screen reader. One option I missed for instance, was Hal's ability to customize what punctuation is read when. i have Hal for instance set to read all punctuation when reviewing via arrow keys, sinse that's what I use when editing, some punctuation when typing so i can remember sentence structure, and none at all when i'm reading using continuous document read, sinse the last thing I want to here in a text adventure, story, --- or even someone's post or E-mail is constant repeats of period comma or dash. I was a litle bothered that Jaws didn't have these options, sinse I rely on them for a lot of things i do involving text, --- in fact without them I'm not sure if I would be quite as much a fan of text adventures and gamebooks as I am now. As I said this isn't intended as a Jaws bash, or a Hal promo, merely noting things I've got used to having in hal which I'd miss in another program. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Peter, You have got to be kidding me. Microsoft Sam is like the absolute worst voice I've heard for the computer. If I was going to have my customers suffer through the torment of listening to it I might have just put Sapi 5 support into the Genesis Engine, and be done with it. As far as why I actually switched from Heather to Karen it is a simple matter of the fact Heather has a bad problem with pronunciation. I can give her a word like centaur and Heather totally screws it up, and then I have to fiddle around with the spelling until Heather comes remotely close to saying it correctly. It's not just uncommon words either. I've had Heather say a word like control or enter correctly one minute and then in the next say it completely different. I think you could understand why and how that would drive me completely mad. As far as my selection of game voice goes nothing I choose will please everybody. The only solution would be to add Sapi support into the Genesis Engine. However, not only is it somewhat problematic you have to consider the fact it could take a couple of solid weeks to rewrite all of the speech functions etc to completely convert it over to Sapi. So if you have a better option than Karen please let me know. I have Neospeech Kate, but I'd rather not use it for this game. So how about some options? peter Mahach wrote: nods, me too. anything is better than caren. heck I can even cope with sam rofl though if I were thomas I'd either stick to heather or use another voice like neospeech kate just like in the old days. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista?
Hi Bryan, Yes, Classic Troopenum will run on Vista, but you have to elivate the runtime to full administrator status otherwise it will bomb out. If you Go to the Troopenum icon, press the context menu key, a pulldown menu will appear. Arrow to run as administrator, press enter, and Troopenum should run and play correctly. Unfortunately, this is a somewhat common problem with BSC's older games, and one reason I don't have them installed on my laptop. They were designed for a completely different era of Windows such as 98 to XP, and newer versions such as Vista and Windows 7 aren't yet well supported. Bryan Peterson wrote: Does it not work? Every time I even try installing the game I get the following error message which I will attempt to duplicate since I have no idea how I'd paste it. But after I click Install I get an error that says ISDN660.tmp, which says that the application could not start because it could not find a component. I'm sorry this isn't very specific but as I said I can't just copy and paste it and it's hard to get the Window-Eyes mouse cursor to route to that dialogue for some reason. I've begun wondering if Classic Troopanum even works on Vista. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Bryan, That's not so surprising really. When I first went blind the first thing they showed me was Jaws. As a result that is what I ended up with for school, college, and being new to blindness and screen readers in general I really didn't know anything different. I just assumed Jaws was the only show in town. It was only after I got to college not only did I discover there were several other screen readers out there, I found Jaws really wasn't so hot. Yeah, it was a decent screen reader, but Window eyes has always been a fairly decent product itself. The more current versions are a superior product in my opinion. However, this brings me to my point. If I assume most blind computer users in the United States were handled the same way I was they were given Jaws through some state or school agency, and it was assumed it was the best product for the person it was given to. As a result the blind computer user has no experience in using Hal, Window Eyes, or anything else. They may not even been shown their options to pick or choose the product they wanted. It was just assumed Jaws was what they would use for work, school, college, whatever. So as it happens most of our game developers are Jaws users. When they say turn off your screen reader in the manual I half to assume they know Jaws conflicts with games, and they have no personal experience with anything other than Jaws. Else you might get directions for how to set the game up with Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, System Access, etc. As has been pointed out here Hal and Window Eyes don't really have serious conflicts with existing accessible games. Jaws, on the other hand, does. Therefore it might help if we educate the game developers out there on how various screen readers works with their games so that the manuals can be updated to reflect this more specifically. Smile Bryan Peterson wrote: Doubtless Dark the reason for that is that while they may say your screen reader, a lot of game developers probably assume most of their customer base uses JAWS. I myself was a staunch JAWS user until two years ago, when I discovered that JAWS won't let me use the NeoSpeach voices and Window-Eyes will. Then as I experimented I discovered that Window-Eyes worked so much better with just about every program I used. The bit with games was just an accidental discovery, but I still turn off Window-Eyes out of habbit when I play games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
LOL. I always thought Microsoft Sam sounded suicidal. In fact I once created a skit using Text Aloud, Sound Recorder, Gold Wave and a demo of the Dectalk synthesizer in which Microsoft Sam committed suicide and blew up the computer in the process. Then ATT Mike made an announcement along the lines of Sam went nuts and killed himself and the computer and now you're screwed. Then Dectalk sang Taps in a rudementary doo doo doo fashion. So no, I wouldn't use Sam in games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Peter, You have got to be kidding me. Microsoft Sam is like the absolute worst voice I've heard for the computer. If I was going to have my customers suffer through the torment of listening to it I might have just put Sapi 5 support into the Genesis Engine, and be done with it. As far as why I actually switched from Heather to Karen it is a simple matter of the fact Heather has a bad problem with pronunciation. I can give her a word like centaur and Heather totally screws it up, and then I have to fiddle around with the spelling until Heather comes remotely close to saying it correctly. It's not just uncommon words either. I've had Heather say a word like control or enter correctly one minute and then in the next say it completely different. I think you could understand why and how that would drive me completely mad. As far as my selection of game voice goes nothing I choose will please everybody. The only solution would be to add Sapi support into the Genesis Engine. However, not only is it somewhat problematic you have to consider the fact it could take a couple of solid weeks to rewrite all of the speech functions etc to completely convert it over to Sapi. So if you have a better option than Karen please let me know. I have Neospeech Kate, but I'd rather not use it for this game. So how about some options? peter Mahach wrote: nods, me too. anything is better than caren. heck I can even cope with sam rofl though if I were thomas I'd either stick to heather or use another voice like neospeech kate just like in the old days. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista?
I'm actually talking about the actual install process, but that does give me an idea. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista? Hi Bryan, Yes, Classic Troopenum will run on Vista, but you have to elivate the runtime to full administrator status otherwise it will bomb out. If you Go to the Troopenum icon, press the context menu key, a pulldown menu will appear. Arrow to run as administrator, press enter, and Troopenum should run and play correctly. Unfortunately, this is a somewhat common problem with BSC's older games, and one reason I don't have them installed on my laptop. They were designed for a completely different era of Windows such as 98 to XP, and newer versions such as Vista and Windows 7 aren't yet well supported. Bryan Peterson wrote: Does it not work? Every time I even try installing the game I get the following error message which I will attempt to duplicate since I have no idea how I'd paste it. But after I click Install I get an error that says ISDN660.tmp, which says that the application could not start because it could not find a component. I'm sorry this isn't very specific but as I said I can't just copy and paste it and it's hard to get the Window-Eyes mouse cursor to route to that dialogue for some reason. I've begun wondering if Classic Troopanum even works on Vista. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark, Actually, Jaws has the ability to fully customize what punctuation is read, but it is buried very deep in the Jaws configuration manager. Unless you are a highly skilled or advanced Jaws user you will never find or be able to configure the punctuation exactly the way you want in a game or any other application. That's actually one of the screen reader's major short comings. The configuration manager has a lot of advanced and powerful features, but most of the Jaws users I know or have met aren't aware of what features are actually in the configuration manager, and a few are a bit intimidated about the amount of options in there. You know, I better not mess with it or I'll break it, type fear people have about any piece of complicated software. I think it is too complex and overly bloated for your average home user when it comes to actually using the configuration manager. Window Eyes is much more user friendly in that from the Window Eyes control panel you have various pulldown menus along the menu bar such as File, Screen, Mouse, Keyboard, Global, etc that are easy to find and just as easy to configure. When done just save the set file. There is no need to dig through a complicated configuration manager just to find a certain check box, or a series of check boxes, to do this or that. Anyway, I'm sure a few Jaws users are about to hang me out to dry for knocking their beloved screen reader, but I'm merely calling them as I see them. I've found Window Eyes a much easier product to configure for interactive fiction games, muds, whatever than Jaws. It seams every time I want to specifically configure the punctuation to speak these symbols and not these symbols I have to plow through an endless amount of dialog boxes and check boxes to get it setup correctly for my needs. That's why I find it a more unwieldy and overly complex screen reader for my tastes. dark wrote: That is probably true Bryan, I've noticed that some people tend to assume every person using a screen reader will automatically use Jaws. I was for instance a trifle irritated when during one of my first experiments with muds, I wrote to the admins of Alterean to get things working, and they sent me a link to some Jaws script files, despite the fact that i'd clearly stated in my E-mail I was using Hal. i must confess, during my one try out with jaws, I wasn't a fan, but given the amount of time I've used Hal that's not surprising, and I'm fairly certain there are people who would say the same thing upon trying Hal after using another screen reader. One option I missed for instance, was Hal's ability to customize what punctuation is read when. i have Hal for instance set to read all punctuation when reviewing via arrow keys, sinse that's what I use when editing, some punctuation when typing so i can remember sentence structure, and none at all when i'm reading using continuous document read, sinse the last thing I want to here in a text adventure, story, --- or even someone's post or E-mail is constant repeats of period comma or dash. I was a litle bothered that Jaws didn't have these options, sinse I rely on them for a lot of things i do involving text, --- in fact without them I'm not sure if I would be quite as much a fan of text adventures and gamebooks as I am now. As I said this isn't intended as a Jaws bash, or a Hal promo, merely noting things I've got used to having in hal which I'd miss in another program. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Bryan, Well, don't forget GMA. As of Lonewolf 3.5 the game has Window Eyes API support. That happened because us non-Jaws users nagged David Greenwood until he realized not all of his Lonewolf customers are Jaws users, and we want the same access to the game as Jaws users. If he could use the JFW API for the game he could use the same for Window Eyes too. In the end he finally added Window Eyes and Sapi 5 support in version 3.5. However, that might not have happened if there were not enough non-Jaws users to maret such an upgrade. However, this is clearly a good case of how the developer uses Jaws, developed the game initially for a Jaws user base, and finally was asked to include other screen readers as part of the games speech output. Cases like this sets a president that we can't assume what access technology, if any, is present on the target computer. These days it could be a free and open source solution like NVDA for all we know. Therefore the game itself should provide all that is necessary for providing accessibility to itself independant of any specific screen reader or speech software that may or may not be present. Bryan Peterson wrote: The only company I've seen make allownaces is BSC Games, and that wasn't even a game. It was actually one of their Blindsoftware products, that Day-by-day Professional which offers support for Window-Eyes. But I still don't think they realize how well Window-Eyes meshes with games. I remember I forgot to unload WIndow-Eyes, which as I said I still do out of habbit, and I played a full game of Classic Pipe and didn't even realize Window-Eyes was still running until I'd quit Pipe. That was a welcome surprise. So I'm trying to unload Window-Eyes less when I play most audio games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista?
Hi Bryan, Hmmm...Interesting. I haven't had that problem with any of BSC's games, but it is possible something is corrupted. Maybe it is a simple matter of cleaning out your temp directory and trying again. Bryan Peterson wrote: I'm actually talking about the actual install process, but that does give me an idea. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Bryan, Lol! That would have been a riet to hear. Do you sstill have it? Bryan Peterson wrote: LOL. I always thought Microsoft Sam sounded suicidal. In fact I once created a skit using Text Aloud, Sound Recorder, Gold Wave and a demo of the Dectalk synthesizer in which Microsoft Sam committed suicide and blew up the computer in the process. Then ATT Mike made an announcement along the lines of Sam went nuts and killed himself and the computer and now you're screwed. Then Dectalk sang Taps in a rudementary doo doo doo fashion. So no, I wouldn't use Sam in games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Exactly. I hated using JAWS with Sryth. I'm the sort of person that generally doesn't like keyboard echo on, especially not for every character, and I also don't like punctuation read out at me. Getting JAWS to remember those settings was always a pain. And it was more than a little distracting to be playing Sryth and hear, The gobblin strikes at you with his sword exclaim! Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, Actually, Jaws has the ability to fully customize what punctuation is read, but it is buried very deep in the Jaws configuration manager. Unless you are a highly skilled or advanced Jaws user you will never find or be able to configure the punctuation exactly the way you want in a game or any other application. That's actually one of the screen reader's major short comings. The configuration manager has a lot of advanced and powerful features, but most of the Jaws users I know or have met aren't aware of what features are actually in the configuration manager, and a few are a bit intimidated about the amount of options in there. You know, I better not mess with it or I'll break it, type fear people have about any piece of complicated software. I think it is too complex and overly bloated for your average home user when it comes to actually using the configuration manager. Window Eyes is much more user friendly in that from the Window Eyes control panel you have various pulldown menus along the menu bar such as File, Screen, Mouse, Keyboard, Global, etc that are easy to find and just as easy to configure. When done just save the set file. There is no need to dig through a complicated configuration manager just to find a certain check box, or a series of check boxes, to do this or that. Anyway, I'm sure a few Jaws users are about to hang me out to dry for knocking their beloved screen reader, but I'm merely calling them as I see them. I've found Window Eyes a much easier product to configure for interactive fiction games, muds, whatever than Jaws. It seams every time I want to specifically configure the punctuation to speak these symbols and not these symbols I have to plow through an endless amount of dialog boxes and check boxes to get it setup correctly for my needs. That's why I find it a more unwieldy and overly complex screen reader for my tastes. dark wrote: That is probably true Bryan, I've noticed that some people tend to assume every person using a screen reader will automatically use Jaws. I was for instance a trifle irritated when during one of my first experiments with muds, I wrote to the admins of Alterean to get things working, and they sent me a link to some Jaws script files, despite the fact that i'd clearly stated in my E-mail I was using Hal. i must confess, during my one try out with jaws, I wasn't a fan, but given the amount of time I've used Hal that's not surprising, and I'm fairly certain there are people who would say the same thing upon trying Hal after using another screen reader. One option I missed for instance, was Hal's ability to customize what punctuation is read when. i have Hal for instance set to read all punctuation when reviewing via arrow keys, sinse that's what I use when editing, some punctuation when typing so i can remember sentence structure, and none at all when i'm reading using continuous document read, sinse the last thing I want to here in a text adventure, story, --- or even someone's post or E-mail is constant repeats of period comma or dash. I was a litle bothered that Jaws didn't have these options, sinse I rely on them for a lot of things i do involving text, --- in fact without them I'm not sure if I would be quite as much a fan of text adventures and gamebooks as I am now. As I said this isn't intended as a Jaws bash, or a Hal promo, merely noting things I've got used to having in hal which I'd miss in another program. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
I've never actually tried using Window-Eyes with Lone Wolf. I tend to use Sapi. But I am glad the game offers that option in case I ever decided to mix things up a bit for variety. And if I was to start developing games I would try to include options for as many screen readers as I could right from the outset so as not to seem like I was targetting one specific group of users. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Bryan, Well, don't forget GMA. As of Lonewolf 3.5 the game has Window Eyes API support. That happened because us non-Jaws users nagged David Greenwood until he realized not all of his Lonewolf customers are Jaws users, and we want the same access to the game as Jaws users. If he could use the JFW API for the game he could use the same for Window Eyes too. In the end he finally added Window Eyes and Sapi 5 support in version 3.5. However, that might not have happened if there were not enough non-Jaws users to maret such an upgrade. However, this is clearly a good case of how the developer uses Jaws, developed the game initially for a Jaws user base, and finally was asked to include other screen readers as part of the games speech output. Cases like this sets a president that we can't assume what access technology, if any, is present on the target computer. These days it could be a free and open source solution like NVDA for all we know. Therefore the game itself should provide all that is necessary for providing accessibility to itself independant of any specific screen reader or speech software that may or may not be present. Bryan Peterson wrote: The only company I've seen make allownaces is BSC Games, and that wasn't even a game. It was actually one of their Blindsoftware products, that Day-by-day Professional which offers support for Window-Eyes. But I still don't think they realize how well Window-Eyes meshes with games. I remember I forgot to unload WIndow-Eyes, which as I said I still do out of habbit, and I played a full game of Classic Pipe and didn't even realize Window-Eyes was still running until I'd quit Pipe. That was a welcome surprise. So I'm trying to unload Window-Eyes less when I play most audio games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista?
Hmmm. I suppose I could try that also. That's in the Windows folder is it not? Because Hunter and Classic Pipe ran on my machine no trouble, but for some reason the original Troopanum won't even completely install. I get that error about being unable to locate a component or somesuch. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista? Hi Bryan, Hmmm...Interesting. I haven't had that problem with any of BSC's games, but it is possible something is corrupted. Maybe it is a simple matter of cleaning out your temp directory and trying again. Bryan Peterson wrote: I'm actually talking about the actual install process, but that does give me an idea. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Just a quick note here... The Veterens administration gives computers to those blind veterens who can handle it. They only give jaws to the vets, and there is absolutely no mention of other screen readers. in fact, the VA trainers in the rehab hospitals for the blind have never once told me anything about all the great things the visually impaired has accomplished thru programs, games, email lists and the like. It would have been nice for those computer teachers to give out lots of links to the communities that are on the internet, it would have made my first few years a lot less stressful and difficult. AS a side note, the only game provided by the VA for the blind was a chess set, and bingo. al - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Bryan, That's not so surprising really. When I first went blind the first thing they showed me was Jaws. As a result that is what I ended up with for school, college, and being new to blindness and screen readers in general I really didn't know anything different. I just assumed Jaws was the only show in town. It was only after I got to college not only did I discover there were several other screen readers out there, I found Jaws really wasn't so hot. Yeah, it was a decent screen reader, but Window eyes has always been a fairly decent product itself. The more current versions are a superior product in my opinion. However, this brings me to my point. If I assume most blind computer users in the United States were handled the same way I was they were given Jaws through some state or school agency, and it was assumed it was the best product for the person it was given to. As a result the blind computer user has no experience in using Hal, Window Eyes, or anything else. They may not even been shown their options to pick or choose the product they wanted. It was just assumed Jaws was what they would use for work, school, college, whatever. So as it happens most of our game developers are Jaws users. When they say turn off your screen reader in the manual I half to assume they know Jaws conflicts with games, and they have no personal experience with anything other than Jaws. Else you might get directions for how to set the game up with Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, System Access, etc. As has been pointed out here Hal and Window Eyes don't really have serious conflicts with existing accessible games. Jaws, on the other hand, does. Therefore it might help if we educate the game developers out there on how various screen readers works with their games so that the manuals can be updated to reflect this more specifically. Smile Bryan Peterson wrote: Doubtless Dark the reason for that is that while they may say your screen reader, a lot of game developers probably assume most of their customer base uses JAWS. I myself was a staunch JAWS user until two years ago, when I discovered that JAWS won't let me use the NeoSpeach voices and Window-Eyes will. Then as I experimented I discovered that Window-Eyes worked so much better with just about every program I used. The bit with games was just an accidental discovery, but I still turn off Window-Eyes out of habbit when I play games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista?
So you got Pipe to work? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista? Hmmm. I suppose I could try that also. That's in the Windows folder is it not? Because Hunter and Classic Pipe ran on my machine no trouble, but for some reason the original Troopanum won't even completely install. I get that error about being unable to locate a component or somesuch. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista? Hi Bryan, Hmmm...Interesting. I haven't had that problem with any of BSC's games, but it is possible something is corrupted. Maybe it is a simple matter of cleaning out your temp directory and trying again. Bryan Peterson wrote: I'm actually talking about the actual install process, but that does give me an idea. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
That'd be funny at the least, and insanely hilarious at best. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:39 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Bryan, Lol! That would have been a riet to hear. Do you sstill have it? Bryan Peterson wrote: LOL. I always thought Microsoft Sam sounded suicidal. In fact I once created a skit using Text Aloud, Sound Recorder, Gold Wave and a demo of the Dectalk synthesizer in which Microsoft Sam committed suicide and blew up the computer in the process. Then ATT Mike made an announcement along the lines of Sam went nuts and killed himself and the computer and now you're screwed. Then Dectalk sang Taps in a rudementary doo doo doo fashion. So no, I wouldn't use Sam in games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Regrettably no since I forgot to retrieve it before my old laptop died, but a close friend of mine featured it on her podcast so I could still download it. That's one reason I'd like to start my own web site but can't afford to buy a domaine and I'm not really knowledgeable enough yet to start that sort of project since for one thing I don't know html. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Bryan, Lol! That would have been a riet to hear. Do you sstill have it? Bryan Peterson wrote: LOL. I always thought Microsoft Sam sounded suicidal. In fact I once created a skit using Text Aloud, Sound Recorder, Gold Wave and a demo of the Dectalk synthesizer in which Microsoft Sam committed suicide and blew up the computer in the process. Then ATT Mike made an announcement along the lines of Sam went nuts and killed himself and the computer and now you're screwed. Then Dectalk sang Taps in a rudementary doo doo doo fashion. So no, I wouldn't use Sam in games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
If I had to use Sam, I'd die. Plus, MOTA would come off of my games to buy list. grin Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Peter, You have got to be kidding me. Microsoft Sam is like the absolute worst voice I've heard for the computer. If I was going to have my customers suffer through the torment of listening to it I might have just put Sapi 5 support into the Genesis Engine, and be done with it. As far as why I actually switched from Heather to Karen it is a simple matter of the fact Heather has a bad problem with pronunciation. I can give her a word like centaur and Heather totally screws it up, and then I have to fiddle around with the spelling until Heather comes remotely close to saying it correctly. It's not just uncommon words either. I've had Heather say a word like control or enter correctly one minute and then in the next say it completely different. I think you could understand why and how that would drive me completely mad. As far as my selection of game voice goes nothing I choose will please everybody. The only solution would be to add Sapi support into the Genesis Engine. However, not only is it somewhat problematic you have to consider the fact it could take a couple of solid weeks to rewrite all of the speech functions etc to completely convert it over to Sapi. So if you have a better option than Karen please let me know. I have Neospeech Kate, but I'd rather not use it for this game. So how about some options? peter Mahach wrote: nods, me too. anything is better than caren. heck I can even cope with sam rofl though if I were thomas I'd either stick to heather or use another voice like neospeech kate just like in the old days. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista?
Yes I did. I turned off that stupid User Account Control thing in Vista since that has been known to interfere with installed programs even when the install goes as planned. THe program won't run. But for some reason I can't get Classic Troopanum to install, and that is a favorite of mine. It'll get partway through the install then say that a component, I assume one of the Microsoft Media Components which you need to run the game (and I mean a separate library here from DirectX), can't be loaded or something along those lines. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista? So you got Pipe to work? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:46 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista? Hmmm. I suppose I could try that also. That's in the Windows folder is it not? Because Hunter and Classic Pipe ran on my machine no trouble, but for some reason the original Troopanum won't even completely install. I get that error about being unable to locate a component or somesuch. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista? Hi Bryan, Hmmm...Interesting. I haven't had that problem with any of BSC's games, but it is possible something is corrupted. Maybe it is a simple matter of cleaning out your temp directory and trying again. Bryan Peterson wrote: I'm actually talking about the actual install process, but that does give me an idea. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
brian you are going to have to send that,. actually I think you are on the pkb group if you have any funny synth stuff shove it on the dropbox. At 11:03 a.m. 30/11/2009, you wrote: LOL. I always thought Microsoft Sam sounded suicidal. In fact I once created a skit using Text Aloud, Sound Recorder, Gold Wave and a demo of the Dectalk synthesizer in which Microsoft Sam committed suicide and blew up the computer in the process. Then ATT Mike made an announcement along the lines of Sam went nuts and killed himself and the computer and now you're screwed. Then Dectalk sang Taps in a rudementary doo doo doo fashion. So no, I wouldn't use Sam in games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Peter, You have got to be kidding me. Microsoft Sam is like the absolute worst voice I've heard for the computer. If I was going to have my customers suffer through the torment of listening to it I might have just put Sapi 5 support into the Genesis Engine, and be done with it. As far as why I actually switched from Heather to Karen it is a simple matter of the fact Heather has a bad problem with pronunciation. I can give her a word like centaur and Heather totally screws it up, and then I have to fiddle around with the spelling until Heather comes remotely close to saying it correctly. It's not just uncommon words either. I've had Heather say a word like control or enter correctly one minute and then in the next say it completely different. I think you could understand why and how that would drive me completely mad. As far as my selection of game voice goes nothing I choose will please everybody. The only solution would be to add Sapi support into the Genesis Engine. However, not only is it somewhat problematic you have to consider the fact it could take a couple of solid weeks to rewrite all of the speech functions etc to completely convert it over to Sapi. So if you have a better option than Karen please let me know. I have Neospeech Kate, but I'd rather not use it for this game. So how about some options? peter Mahach wrote: nods, me too. anything is better than caren. heck I can even cope with sam rofl though if I were thomas I'd either stick to heather or use another voice like neospeech kate just like in the old days. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
I don't think so. At least that doesn't ring a bell. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... brian you are going to have to send that,. actually I think you are on the pkb group if you have any funny synth stuff shove it on the dropbox. At 11:03 a.m. 30/11/2009, you wrote: LOL. I always thought Microsoft Sam sounded suicidal. In fact I once created a skit using Text Aloud, Sound Recorder, Gold Wave and a demo of the Dectalk synthesizer in which Microsoft Sam committed suicide and blew up the computer in the process. Then ATT Mike made an announcement along the lines of Sam went nuts and killed himself and the computer and now you're screwed. Then Dectalk sang Taps in a rudementary doo doo doo fashion. So no, I wouldn't use Sam in games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Peter, You have got to be kidding me. Microsoft Sam is like the absolute worst voice I've heard for the computer. If I was going to have my customers suffer through the torment of listening to it I might have just put Sapi 5 support into the Genesis Engine, and be done with it. As far as why I actually switched from Heather to Karen it is a simple matter of the fact Heather has a bad problem with pronunciation. I can give her a word like centaur and Heather totally screws it up, and then I have to fiddle around with the spelling until Heather comes remotely close to saying it correctly. It's not just uncommon words either. I've had Heather say a word like control or enter correctly one minute and then in the next say it completely different. I think you could understand why and how that would drive me completely mad. As far as my selection of game voice goes nothing I choose will please everybody. The only solution would be to add Sapi support into the Genesis Engine. However, not only is it somewhat problematic you have to consider the fact it could take a couple of solid weeks to rewrite all of the speech functions etc to completely convert it over to Sapi. So if you have a better option than Karen please let me know. I have Neospeech Kate, but I'd rather not use it for this game. So how about some options? peter Mahach wrote: nods, me too. anything is better than caren. heck I can even cope with sam rofl though if I were thomas I'd either stick to heather or use another voice like neospeech kate just like in the old days. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
My thought is that, maybe it should be a general practice to unload your screen reader regardless of which one you use, just to make sure that there are no keyboard or voicing conflicts. --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Bryan, That's not so surprising really. When I first went blind the first thing they showed me was Jaws. As a result that is what I ended up with for school, college, and being new to blindness and screen readers in general I really didn't know anything different. I just assumed Jaws was the only show in town. It was only after I got to college not only did I discover there were several other screen readers out there, I found Jaws really wasn't so hot. Yeah, it was a decent screen reader, but Window eyes has always been a fairly decent product itself. The more current versions are a superior product in my opinion. However, this brings me to my point. If I assume most blind computer users in the United States were handled the same way I was they were given Jaws through some state or school agency, and it was assumed it was the best product for the person it was given to. As a result the blind computer user has no experience in using Hal, Window Eyes, or anything else. They may not even been shown their options to pick or choose the product they wanted. It was just assumed Jaws was what they would use for work, school, college, whatever. So as it happens most of our game developers are Jaws users. When they say turn off your screen reader in the manual I half to assume they know Jaws conflicts with games, and they have no personal experience with anything other than Jaws. Else you might get directions for how to set the game up with Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal, System Access, etc. As has been pointed out here Hal and Window Eyes don't really have serious conflicts with existing accessible games. Jaws, on the other hand, does. Therefore it might help if we educate the game developers out there on how various screen readers works with their games so that the manuals can be updated to reflect this more specifically. Smile Bryan Peterson wrote: Doubtless Dark the reason for that is that while they may say your screen reader, a lot of game developers probably assume most of their customer base uses JAWS. I myself was a staunch JAWS user until two years ago, when I discovered that JAWS won't let me use the NeoSpeach voices and Window-Eyes will. Then as I experimented I discovered that Window-Eyes worked so much better with just about every program I used. The bit with games was just an accidental discovery, but I still turn off Window-Eyes out of habbit when I play games. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] heads up q9
Which podcast is it? One question-I saw Podcast 92, where did you get those games? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of shaun everiss Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:57 PM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] heads up q9 Hi. http://technology.jaredrimer.net has a cast with the q9 demo in it. its just been released. still having huge issue beating q9 on easy. I have some success jumping on one spot over monsters but all my shields have been used up on level 1 and 2 and now well not sure. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
I agree that, while the configuration manager is too complex, it is very customizable. As for hanging you out to dry, I will not buy MOTA. Why not?? I already did. Ha ha. Dang, it's going to be a great game! The waiting is tougher than good beef jerky! --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, Actually, Jaws has the ability to fully customize what punctuation is read, but it is buried very deep in the Jaws configuration manager. Unless you are a highly skilled or advanced Jaws user you will never find or be able to configure the punctuation exactly the way you want in a game or any other application. That's actually one of the screen reader's major short comings. The configuration manager has a lot of advanced and powerful features, but most of the Jaws users I know or have met aren't aware of what features are actually in the configuration manager, and a few are a bit intimidated about the amount of options in there. You know, I better not mess with it or I'll break it, type fear people have about any piece of complicated software. I think it is too complex and overly bloated for your average home user when it comes to actually using the configuration manager. Window Eyes is much more user friendly in that from the Window Eyes control panel you have various pulldown menus along the menu bar such as File, Screen, Mouse, Keyboard, Global, etc that are easy to find and just as easy to configure. When done just save the set file. There is no need to dig through a complicated configuration manager just to find a certain check box, or a series of check boxes, to do this or that. Anyway, I'm sure a few Jaws users are about to hang me out to dry for knocking their beloved screen reader, but I'm merely calling them as I see them. I've found Window Eyes a much easier product to configure for interactive fiction games, muds, whatever than Jaws. It seams every time I want to specifically configure the punctuation to speak these symbols and not these symbols I have to plow through an endless amount of dialog boxes and check boxes to get it setup correctly for my needs. That's why I find it a more unwieldy and overly complex screen reader for my tastes. dark wrote: That is probably true Bryan, I've noticed that some people tend to assume every person using a screen reader will automatically use Jaws. I was for instance a trifle irritated when during one of my first experiments with muds, I wrote to the admins of Alterean to get things working, and they sent me a link to some Jaws script files, despite the fact that i'd clearly stated in my E-mail I was using Hal. i must confess, during my one try out with jaws, I wasn't a fan, but given the amount of time I've used Hal that's not surprising, and I'm fairly certain there are people who would say the same thing upon trying Hal after using another screen reader. One option I missed for instance, was Hal's ability to customize what punctuation is read when. i have Hal for instance set to read all punctuation when reviewing via arrow keys, sinse that's what I use when editing, some punctuation when typing so i can remember sentence structure, and none at all when i'm reading using continuous document read, sinse the last thing I want to here in a text adventure, story, --- or even someone's post or E-mail is constant repeats of period comma or dash. I was a litle bothered that Jaws didn't have these options, sinse I rely on them for a lot of things i do involving text, --- in fact without them I'm not sure if I would be quite as much a fan of text adventures and gamebooks as I am now. As I said this isn't intended as a Jaws bash, or a Hal promo, merely noting things I've got used to having in hal which I'd miss in another program. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Charles, That's a good point. I generally unload my screen reader, Window Eyes, anyway when playing a game for the simple fact it frees the CPU and memory up for the game. I will however keep it running if I'm debugging a game, so I can read error mesages, or I happen to be playing a game while chatting on line. However, usually I just unload it while playing to free up system resources. Charles Rivard wrote: My thought is that, maybe it should be a general practice to unload your screen reader regardless of which one you use, just to make sure that there are no keyboard or voicing conflicts. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Mmm, jerky. LOL. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games I agree that, while the configuration manager is too complex, it is very customizable. As for hanging you out to dry, I will not buy MOTA. Why not?? I already did. Ha ha. Dang, it's going to be a great game! The waiting is tougher than good beef jerky! --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, Actually, Jaws has the ability to fully customize what punctuation is read, but it is buried very deep in the Jaws configuration manager. Unless you are a highly skilled or advanced Jaws user you will never find or be able to configure the punctuation exactly the way you want in a game or any other application. That's actually one of the screen reader's major short comings. The configuration manager has a lot of advanced and powerful features, but most of the Jaws users I know or have met aren't aware of what features are actually in the configuration manager, and a few are a bit intimidated about the amount of options in there. You know, I better not mess with it or I'll break it, type fear people have about any piece of complicated software. I think it is too complex and overly bloated for your average home user when it comes to actually using the configuration manager. Window Eyes is much more user friendly in that from the Window Eyes control panel you have various pulldown menus along the menu bar such as File, Screen, Mouse, Keyboard, Global, etc that are easy to find and just as easy to configure. When done just save the set file. There is no need to dig through a complicated configuration manager just to find a certain check box, or a series of check boxes, to do this or that. Anyway, I'm sure a few Jaws users are about to hang me out to dry for knocking their beloved screen reader, but I'm merely calling them as I see them. I've found Window Eyes a much easier product to configure for interactive fiction games, muds, whatever than Jaws. It seams every time I want to specifically configure the punctuation to speak these symbols and not these symbols I have to plow through an endless amount of dialog boxes and check boxes to get it setup correctly for my needs. That's why I find it a more unwieldy and overly complex screen reader for my tastes. dark wrote: That is probably true Bryan, I've noticed that some people tend to assume every person using a screen reader will automatically use Jaws. I was for instance a trifle irritated when during one of my first experiments with muds, I wrote to the admins of Alterean to get things working, and they sent me a link to some Jaws script files, despite the fact that i'd clearly stated in my E-mail I was using Hal. i must confess, during my one try out with jaws, I wasn't a fan, but given the amount of time I've used Hal that's not surprising, and I'm fairly certain there are people who would say the same thing upon trying Hal after using another screen reader. One option I missed for instance, was Hal's ability to customize what punctuation is read when. i have Hal for instance set to read all punctuation when reviewing via arrow keys, sinse that's what I use when editing, some punctuation when typing so i can remember sentence structure, and none at all when i'm reading using continuous document read, sinse the last thing I want to here in a text adventure, story, --- or even someone's post or E-mail is constant repeats of period comma or dash. I was a litle bothered that Jaws didn't have these options, sinse I rely on them for a lot of things i do involving text, --- in fact without them I'm not sure if I would be quite as much a fan of text adventures and gamebooks as I am now. As I said this isn't intended as a Jaws bash, or a Hal promo, merely noting things I've got used to having in hal which I'd miss in another program. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Charles, Exactly my point. Jaws is extremely customizable, but the options are buried in the configuration manager and you have to know what to look for and where to find it in the configuration manager. As a part time user of Jaws I'm not, shall we say a daily Jaws user, so it takes me a long time to find settings and configurations I want in Jaws. Part of the problem is the complexity of the configuration manager itself, and things aren't where I personally would expect to find them. It just isn't a user friendly user interface although I can certainly use it if I absolutely need to. On the other hand when I converted over to Window Eyes I had no problem finding things in Window Eyes. As I said before all of the menus are pretty self-explanatory and if you set the difficulty level to advanced there is a lot of options there that are easy to find, are usually self-explanatory, and I just found it easier from the get go. However, I think we are drifting off the topic of how screen readers relate to games so I'll drift back on topic here. Thing is Jaws has a lot of features I simply don't like turned on. Such as the fact ever since Jaws 10 whenever you are on a web page, such as an on line game, you pass over a edit box and Jaws goes boop, boop, boop, as it turns off MSAA so you can type data into the field. Then, I manually have to turn MSAA back on by moving off the edit box, and continue on my way. I can't say how frustrating and annoying that feature is, and it clearly didn't have on line games in mind as it slows you down quite a lot. So I've had to go into the configuration manager, dig around a while, until I found that little feature and turn it off. Charles Rivard wrote: I agree that, while the configuration manager is too complex, it is very customizable. As for hanging you out to dry, I will not buy MOTA. Why not?? I already did. Ha ha. Dang, it's going to be a great game! The waiting is tougher than good beef jerky! --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, Actually, Jaws has the ability to fully customize what punctuation is read, but it is buried very deep in the Jaws configuration manager. Unless you are a highly skilled or advanced Jaws user you will never find or be able to configure the punctuation exactly the way you want in a game or any other application. That's actually one of the screen reader's major short comings. The configuration manager has a lot of advanced and powerful features, but most of the Jaws users I know or have met aren't aware of what features are actually in the configuration manager, and a few are a bit intimidated about the amount of options in there. You know, I better not mess with it or I'll break it, type fear people have about any piece of complicated software. I think it is too complex and overly bloated for your average home user when it comes to actually using the configuration manager. Window Eyes is much more user friendly in that from the Window Eyes control panel you have various pulldown menus along the menu bar such as File, Screen, Mouse, Keyboard, Global, etc that are easy to find and just as easy to configure. When done just save the set file. There is no need to dig through a complicated configuration manager just to find a certain check box, or a series of check boxes, to do this or that. Anyway, I'm sure a few Jaws users are about to hang me out to dry for knocking their beloved screen reader, but I'm merely calling them as I see them. I've found Window Eyes a much easier product to configure for interactive fiction games, muds, whatever than Jaws. It seams every time I want to specifically configure the punctuation to speak these symbols and not these symbols I have to plow through an endless amount of dialog boxes and check boxes to get it setup correctly for my needs. That's why I find it a more unwieldy and overly complex screen reader for my tastes. dark wrote: That is probably true Bryan, I've noticed that some people tend to assume every person using a screen reader will automatically use Jaws. I was for instance a trifle irritated when during one of my first experiments with muds, I wrote to the admins of Alterean to get things working, and they sent me a link to some Jaws script files, despite the fact that i'd clearly stated in my E-mail I was using Hal. i must confess, during my one try out with jaws, I wasn't a fan, but given the amount of time I've used Hal that's not surprising, and I'm fairly certain there are people who would say the same thing upon trying Hal after using another screen reader. One option I missed for instance, was Hal's ability to customize what punctuation is read when. i have Hal for instance set to read all punctuation when reviewing via arrow
Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista?
Hi Bryan, I think this is a question probably better suited for Justin. I know very little of what dependancies the game requires, and I did test the game on Vista back when checking out Vista for the first time. I managed to get it installed, but haven't messed with Classic Troopenum or Troopenum II on Vista for a long longtime. Bryan Peterson wrote: Yes I did. I turned off that stupid User Account Control thing in Vista since that has been known to interfere with installed programs even when the install goes as planned. THe program won't run. But for some reason I can't get Classic Troopanum to install, and that is a favorite of mine. It'll get partway through the install then say that a component, I assume one of the Microsoft Media Components which you need to run the game (and I mean a separate library here from DirectX), can't be loaded or something along those lines. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Haden, You and me both. I couldn't even play the game if I had to use Sam. I think I could put up with ESpeak, which sounds like crap, before Sam. At least ESpeak I am use to since it is the default TTS Engine on Linux, and I use it daily. So have gotten use to hearing ESpeak, but Sam definitely is never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never going to b used in my games. Hayden Presley wrote: If I had to use Sam, I'd die. Plus, MOTA would come off of my games to buy list. grin Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Tom Just a guess here but I'm getting the feeling you don't like the Sam voice? *lol* Ron - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Haden, You and me both. I couldn't even play the game if I had to use Sam. I think I could put up with ESpeak, which sounds like crap, before Sam. At least ESpeak I am use to since it is the default TTS Engine on Linux, and I use it daily. So have gotten use to hearing ESpeak, but Sam definitely is never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never going to b used in my games. Hayden Presley wrote: If I had to use Sam, I'd die. Plus, MOTA would come off of my games to buy list. grin Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Ron, That's wight wabbit. Sincerely, Elmer Fud Ron Schamerhorn wrote: Hi Tom Just a guess here but I'm getting the feeling you don't like the Sam voice? *lol* --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Really? That's a feature I've come to like in JAWS myself. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:27 PM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Charles, Exactly my point. Jaws is extremely customizable, but the options are buried in the configuration manager and you have to know what to look for and where to find it in the configuration manager. As a part time user of Jaws I'm not, shall we say a daily Jaws user, so it takes me a long time to find settings and configurations I want in Jaws. Part of the problem is the complexity of the configuration manager itself, and things aren't where I personally would expect to find them. It just isn't a user friendly user interface although I can certainly use it if I absolutely need to. On the other hand when I converted over to Window Eyes I had no problem finding things in Window Eyes. As I said before all of the menus are pretty self-explanatory and if you set the difficulty level to advanced there is a lot of options there that are easy to find, are usually self-explanatory, and I just found it easier from the get go. However, I think we are drifting off the topic of how screen readers relate to games so I'll drift back on topic here. Thing is Jaws has a lot of features I simply don't like turned on. Such as the fact ever since Jaws 10 whenever you are on a web page, such as an on line game, you pass over a edit box and Jaws goes boop, boop, boop, as it turns off MSAA so you can type data into the field. Then, I manually have to turn MSAA back on by moving off the edit box, and continue on my way. I can't say how frustrating and annoying that feature is, and it clearly didn't have on line games in mind as it slows you down quite a lot. So I've had to go into the configuration manager, dig around a while, until I found that little feature and turn it off. Charles Rivard wrote: I agree that, while the configuration manager is too complex, it is very customizable. As for hanging you out to dry, I will not buy MOTA. Why not?? I already did. Ha ha. Dang, it's going to be a great game! The waiting is tougher than good beef jerky! --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, Actually, Jaws has the ability to fully customize what punctuation is read, but it is buried very deep in the Jaws configuration manager. Unless you are a highly skilled or advanced Jaws user you will never find or be able to configure the punctuation exactly the way you want in a game or any other application. That's actually one of the screen reader's major short comings. The configuration manager has a lot of advanced and powerful features, but most of the Jaws users I know or have met aren't aware of what features are actually in the configuration manager, and a few are a bit intimidated about the amount of options in there. You know, I better not mess with it or I'll break it, type fear people have about any piece of complicated software. I think it is too complex and overly bloated for your average home user when it comes to actually using the configuration manager. Window Eyes is much more user friendly in that from the Window Eyes control panel you have various pulldown menus along the menu bar such as File, Screen, Mouse, Keyboard, Global, etc that are easy to find and just as easy to configure. When done just save the set file. There is no need to dig through a complicated configuration manager just to find a certain check box, or a series of check boxes, to do this or that. Anyway, I'm sure a few Jaws users are about to hang me out to dry for knocking their beloved screen reader, but I'm merely calling them as I see them. I've found Window Eyes a much easier product to configure for interactive fiction games, muds, whatever than Jaws. It seams every time I want to specifically configure the punctuation to speak these symbols and not these symbols I have to plow through an endless amount of dialog boxes and check boxes to get it setup correctly for my needs. That's why I find it a more unwieldy and overly complex screen reader for my tastes. dark wrote: That is probably true Bryan, I've noticed that some people tend to assume every person using a screen reader will automatically use Jaws. I was for instance a trifle irritated when during one of my first experiments with muds, I wrote to the admins of Alterean to get things working, and they sent me a link to some Jaws script files, despite the fact that i'd clearly stated in my E-mail I was using Hal. i must confess, during my one try out with jaws, I wasn't a fan, but given the
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Grin. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:51 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Ron, That's wight wabbit. Sincerely, Elmer Fud Ron Schamerhorn wrote: Hi Tom Just a guess here but I'm getting the feeling you don't like the Sam voice? *lol* --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
How strange. I got that same impression. Maybe it was because of some slight indication he sent? Nah! That couldn't have been it! Never! --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Tom Just a guess here but I'm getting the feeling you don't like the Sam voice? *lol* Ron - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Haden, You and me both. I couldn't even play the game if I had to use Sam. I think I could put up with ESpeak, which sounds like crap, before Sam. At least ESpeak I am use to since it is the default TTS Engine on Linux, and I use it daily. So have gotten use to hearing ESpeak, but Sam definitely is never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never going to b used in my games. Hayden Presley wrote: If I had to use Sam, I'd die. Plus, MOTA would come off of my games to buy list. grin Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Al, That's whya document like Michael Feir's excellently written Personal Power book is a very good help to the blind. If every rehab center or state agency could hand that out to a totally new blind computer user it would go a long ways to solving a lot of problems in terms of exposing them to all the things available to them. Especially, to accessible games of which I am always eager to find new markets and customers. Instead it seams each new generation of blind computer users have to find these things out the hard way by searching for it. Allan Thompson wrote: Just a quick note here... The Veterens administration gives computers to those blind veterens who can handle it. They only give jaws to the vets, and there is absolutely no mention of other screen readers. in fact, the VA trainers in the rehab hospitals for the blind have never once told me anything about all the great things the visually impaired has accomplished thru programs, games, email lists and the like. It would have been nice for those computer teachers to give out lots of links to the communities that are on the internet, it would have made my first few years a lot less stressful and difficult. AS a side note, the only game provided by the VA for the blind was a chess set, and bingo. al --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Bryan, Personally, I feel self-voicing the games is a better solution. Not all screen readers have a ready to use API like Window-Eyes and Jaws does. NVDA, for example, doesn't have an API you could just tap into making it more difficult to insure your game works with that screen reader. Therefore you would still have to use Sapi or some other method to make the game accessible to those customers who aren't using Jaws or Window-Eyes anyway. So why not adopt a solution that works for everyone from the outset? Bryan Peterson wrote: I've never actually tried using Window-Eyes with Lone Wolf. I tend to use Sapi. But I am glad the game offers that option in case I ever decided to mix things up a bit for variety. And if I was to start developing games I would try to include options for as many screen readers as I could right from the outset so as not to seem like I was targetting one specific group of users. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
I'm not sure exactly what it was but there was a slight feeling of negative energy. *l* - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... How strange. I got that same impression. Maybe it was because of some slight indication he sent? Nah! That couldn't have been it! Never! --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Tom Just a guess here but I'm getting the feeling you don't like the Sam voice? *lol* Ron - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Haden, You and me both. I couldn't even play the game if I had to use Sam. I think I could put up with ESpeak, which sounds like crap, before Sam. At least ESpeak I am use to since it is the default TTS Engine on Linux, and I use it daily. So have gotten use to hearing ESpeak, but Sam definitely is never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never going to b used in my games. Hayden Presley wrote: If I had to use Sam, I'd die. Plus, MOTA would come off of my games to buy list. grin Best Regards, Hayden --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi, Perhaps it was the dark side of the force you feel? Lol! Ron Schamerhorn wrote: I'm not sure exactly what it was but there was a slight feeling of negative energy. *l* --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Hayden, I'm sure that little feature of Jaws works out ok for day to day use for most people. However, there are also times it just plane gets in the way. Like if you want to log into Sryth, you already have a kooky with your user name and password saved, so all you have to do is press enter on the login button, and your set. However, the second Jaws lands on the user name field it does the little boop, boop, boop thing and knocks you out of MSAA mode when all you wanted to do is down arrow strait to the login button instead of being dropped right into the edit field which is already filled in. I can think of another case like when you are creating a character on Sryth and you have to fill in your stats on the form. I'd prefer to enter an edit field when I find the one I want to fill in instead of Jaws automatically dropping me in the first edit field it finds and assuming I want to type information there which I may or may not want to do. I'm sure I can give several more examples here, but you get the basic drift. Window-Eyes doesn't do this, and I'm perfectly happy with pressing enter on an edit field if and when I want to enter something into the field. Otherwise don't assume I'm going to type something there just because it happens to be an edit field. As a result of features like that little automatic forms mode, or whatever Jaws calls it, I'm finding I have to turn more and more stuff off in the screen reader just to get back to a basic sscreen reader without a million extras I could care less about. Smile Hayden Presley wrote: Really? That's a feature I've come to like in JAWS myself. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:27 PM To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Charles, Exactly my point. Jaws is extremely customizable, but the options are buried in the configuration manager and you have to know what to look for and where to find it in the configuration manager. As a part time user of Jaws I'm not, shall we say a daily Jaws user, so it takes me a long time to find settings and configurations I want in Jaws. Part of the problem is the complexity of the configuration manager itself, and things aren't where I personally would expect to find them. It just isn't a user friendly user interface although I can certainly use it if I absolutely need to. On the other hand when I converted over to Window Eyes I had no problem finding things in Window Eyes. As I said before all of the menus are pretty self-explanatory and if you set the difficulty level to advanced there is a lot of options there that are easy to find, are usually self-explanatory, and I just found it easier from the get go. However, I think we are drifting off the topic of how screen readers relate to games so I'll drift back on topic here. Thing is Jaws has a lot of features I simply don't like turned on. Such as the fact ever since Jaws 10 whenever you are on a web page, such as an on line game, you pass over a edit box and Jaws goes boop, boop, boop, as it turns off MSAA so you can type data into the field. Then, I manually have to turn MSAA back on by moving off the edit box, and continue on my way. I can't say how frustrating and annoying that feature is, and it clearly didn't have on line games in mind as it slows you down quite a lot. So I've had to go into the configuration manager, dig around a while, until I found that little feature and turn it off. Charles Rivard wrote: I agree that, while the configuration manager is too complex, it is very customizable. As for hanging you out to dry, I will not buy MOTA. Why not?? I already did. Ha ha. Dang, it's going to be a great game! The waiting is tougher than good beef jerky! --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, Actually, Jaws has the ability to fully customize what punctuation is read, but it is buried very deep in the Jaws configuration manager. Unless you are a highly skilled or advanced Jaws user you will never find or be able to configure the punctuation exactly the way you want in a game or any other application. That's actually one of the screen reader's major short comings. The configuration manager has a lot of advanced and powerful features, but most of the Jaws users I know or have met aren't aware of what features are actually in the configuration manager, and a few are a bit intimidated about the amount of options in there. You know, I better not mess with it or I'll break it, type fear people have about any piece of complicated software. I think it is too complex and overly bloated for your average home user when it
Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista?
Not sure why this happened, but I could never get classic Troopanum to work on Vista either, after upgrading from XP. After I did a vista reinstall a few weeks ago, the game works fine. Karl -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:34 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista? Hi Bryan, I think this is a question probably better suited for Justin. I know very little of what dependancies the game requires, and I did test the game on Vista back when checking out Vista for the first time. I managed to get it installed, but haven't messed with Classic Troopenum or Troopenum II on Vista for a long longtime. Bryan Peterson wrote: Yes I did. I turned off that stupid User Account Control thing in Vista since that has been known to interfere with installed programs even when the install goes as planned. THe program won't run. But for some reason I can't get Classic Troopanum to install, and that is a favorite of mine. It'll get partway through the install then say that a component, I assume one of the Microsoft Media Components which you need to run the game (and I mean a separate library here from DirectX), can't be loaded or something along those lines. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
well if you can get that file off your friend that would really rock. At 12:10 p.m. 30/11/2009, you wrote: Regrettably no since I forgot to retrieve it before my old laptop died, but a close friend of mine featured it on her podcast so I could still download it. That's one reason I'd like to start my own web site but can't afford to buy a domaine and I'm not really knowledgeable enough yet to start that sort of project since for one thing I don't know html. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Bryan, Lol! That would have been a riet to hear. Do you sstill have it? Bryan Peterson wrote: LOL. I always thought Microsoft Sam sounded suicidal. In fact I once created a skit using Text Aloud, Sound Recorder, Gold Wave and a demo of the Dectalk synthesizer in which Microsoft Sam committed suicide and blew up the computer in the process. Then ATT Mike made an announcement along the lines of Sam went nuts and killed himself and the computer and now you're screwed. Then Dectalk sang Taps in a rudementary doo doo doo fashion. So no, I wouldn't use Sam in games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] fps/tps question
HI all Can someone please explain to me the difference between a first person and third person game? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Dark, Unfortunately, it is pretty much like anything else. It all comes down to how it is marketed to the masses. Unfortunately, the blind don't have some central goto source for things like screen readers and accessible games and they hear about them via word of mouth or through agencies that have their pet product to give you. For example, take a game like Termite Torpedo. You and I might agree it probably isn't the best accessible game ever made, but it happens to be produced by American Printing House who is well known by state agencies, schools for the blind, whatever. As a result a while back when I was talking to BSVI and mentioned that I was working on my own accessible games the first thing out of their mouth was, you mean a game like Termite Torpedo? The bottom line here is most of those people knew nothing about Audyssey or most of the games that are out here for the blind. The only reason they knew about Termite Torpedo is because it happens to be in their catalogs, and it is made by a well known organization in the first place. As a result that game, which is so so as far as accessible games goes, has a chance of reaching a wider audience just because it is sold by someone of some repute and renown in the blind community. The same problem happens to developers of screen readers and other accessible products. Some companies have an automatic in, and it is hard to change the system because colleges and government agencies have been stuck in that mold. They have designed their entire program around certain products and have no desire to change. When I was at Wright State they offered a special class for both blind and sighted students geared toward accessibility software as an elective. Since I needed the credits and it looked like an easy class to ace I took it. As it turned out the woman who taught the class claimed to be an expert on accessibility software for the blind, but actually was nothing of the sort. As it turned out I knew more than she did on a variety of topics. Anyway, that entire class was based on Freedom Scientific products such as Jaws, Magic, and Openbook. Nothing was said about competing products like K1000, Window-Eyes, Hal, Zoomtext, or anything else that should have been mentioned or covered in that class. The final project for the class was to write a business proposal to be presented to a company or state agency requesting a computer loaded with accessible software, and explain why. Well, for my proposal I set out to write my paper on access software I happened to use and know well such as Window-Eyes as my screen reader, Omnipage Pro for OCR, and Zoomtext for screen enlargement. I did so for two reasons. First, I wanted the instructer to realise there is software out there besides what she covered in class, and maybe by reading my paper she might learn something new. Second, I personally used the software I wrote about, and liked the products better in many cases than the software that was covered in class. Third, in some cases like Omnipage Pro was much cheaper than Openbook, worked well enough for my uses, and I would be saving the agency or company lots of mony on that sale alone. So you want to know what happened? Well, the instructer took several points off my grade simply because I didn't use any of the products covered in class, and it clearly was a case of I was suppose to parot back everything I heard in class in my proposal. As that hadn't been specified by the instructer I naturally took some issue over that, but I honestly don't think she knew how to grade the ppaper objectively. She admited as much in her office she wasn't familiar with Omnipage Pro, Window-Eyes, etc so couldn't evaluate them so knocked points off. However, I think this proves a very important point about how products like Jaws gets an almost legendary following in the United States. It is simply that colleges, state agencies, schools for the blind, and any other large institution has adopted Jaws early on, and it is almost impossible to convince them to maybe take a closer look at Hal, Window-Eyes, or System Access. Even if you can convince someone within that institution, such as a university, to take a closer look at alternative products there is no garentee their superiors will agree to fit the bill for a completely new product. They'd rather stick with what they have regardless of if it is better or worse than the alternatives. dark wrote: Interesting Tom. I admit, i know very litle about window eyes at all, in fact I didn't even know it existed until about 3 years ago. i suspect this is for the same reason that many people in the Us do not know about Hal. I wasn't sure about window eyes and games, though as so much audio games documentation reads turn off your screen reader rather than turn off Jaws I'd vaguely assumed that window eyes had the same trouble. Nice to know it doesn't,
[Audyssey] guilds
Hi all how do I join a gild in core exiles? I think i may look at a list, since I really need to do something about getting somewhere. right now I only just have enough to live by. Sooner rather than later I will be running out of things. ip is low, like real low spent most of it well a good chunk of 20k on servey for an extracter which I have placed. I will be in a few missions be low on kits, not to mention I need to get more weaponry at some point. so I think a guild is the next thing I need to get in, being indipendant just doesn't cut it. on that note what do all of you guys use for chatting on the irc server I have a configed build of miranda but couldn't get it working right with irc. My next plan was to get a good irc client. Where do I get a free one that works. the last one I heard about with the bofhnetirc client which was pree freedomchat but thats real old. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista?
Hi Karl, well, in my experience if you run the handy Windows upgrade cds over a previous copy of Windows things tend to break, and the operating system can get messed up in ways that are holy unexpected. That is one major reason whenever I decide to upgrade to a new version of Windows i reformat the drive and reinstall Windows from scratch using the new Windows installation cd. That way I know the operating system should run as intended, and there is no left over junk on the drive to mess up the upgrade. I don't know if this has anything to do with Bryan's problem, but it would not be the first time an upgrade busted the operating system in some unexpected ways. Even Microsoft doesn't recommend using the upgrade cds they sell, but provide them for end user convenience, and for some systems that require special drivers that don't ship on the stock Windows cds. Karl Belanger wrote: Not sure why this happened, but I could never get classic Troopanum to work on Vista either, after upgrading from XP. After I did a vista reinstall a few weeks ago, the game works fine. Karl --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] fps/tps question
Hi Nicol, Sure can. The primary difference between First Person and Third Person games is purely visual. In a Third Person game like Tomb Raider you can see the main character like Lara Croft on the screen, at all times, as you move around the game world. It is like a movie where you can see all the players on the screen at once. In a First Person game like Doom there is no actual character on screen and the entire visual perspective is if you were actually standing there in the game,and all you might see of your game character is an arm holding a weapon or something like that. Otherwise there is very little difference how the game is actually played. Does that make sense? Nicol wrote: HI all Can someone please explain to me the difference between a first person and third person game? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Thomas, When I first went to the Cleveland Sight Center's computer lab, they showed me Vert Plus by IBM with a DecTalk and Jaws for dos version 1 with an Accent SA. Not only was Henter Joyce a start up company at the time, I liked the Jaws and Accent SA combination better. It wasn't until years later that Vocal Eyes, ASAP, Flipper and other dos screen readers came out. I tried them all just to make sure that my dos games worked with them. They did as long as I had the game write to the console rather than directly to the screen. I am still a Jaws user. Have seen many discussions over the years about screen readers. It usually ended up that people liked the first one that they learned. BTW I often do not use Jaws. You know am using sapi5 for games, Email and other programs on my computer. BFN Jim A Buckeye is just a worthless nut. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Thomas, I know one gentleman that says that he likes the Sam voice. Of course he kind of sounds like Sam himself. grin I like Crystal for Email, Lauren and Charles for games. But do use Kate and other voices now and then. And of course Kate is on the Book Sense. But I even like Anjali now and then just for fun. BTW One needs to be careful when programming for sapi5, I have found over 250 acronyms that one or more of the voices say. You know like Crystal will say laughing out loud for LOL, By the way for BTW etc. Some will say liter for Lt. and others will say lieutenant. Some will say street for ST. and others will say saint. Just have to watch stuff like that. grin BFN Jim Down with TLAs! (three letter acronyms) j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hello, Unless you still received an A in the class, did you challenge the grade she gave you since you had proof that her grading of your paper was inappropriately biased? Most people do not challenge inappropriate grading, but every university has a policy in place to deal with such. When it comes to disabilities, the inappropriate grade is most often given by a teacher who does not believe the student with disabilities can do the same work, so the instructor grades the paper with more severity than they grade the rest of the papers. When I worked as a rehab counselor in a university's disabled students office, we would have another professor in the same department grade the student's paper and another paper written for the class. There would be no identifying information on either paper. If the department colleague gave a better grade for the disabled student's paper, or if the disabled student's paper was given a similar grade to the sample paper, we would then take everything to the department chair, or higher if the department chair happened to be the instructor who was showing the bias, and the instructor would then be required to defend their grading. The few times I did this, the instructors always backed down since we were able to prove that they were in the wrong, and if they did not admit their error, the next step would be an instructor's peer review board. Different universities have different procedures, but they all have something similar in place. David Chittenden, MS, CRC, MRCAA Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Dark, Unfortunately, it is pretty much like anything else. It all comes down to how it is marketed to the masses. Unfortunately, the blind don't have some central goto source for things like screen readers and accessible games and they hear about them via word of mouth or through agencies that have their pet product to give you. For example, take a game like Termite Torpedo. You and I might agree it probably isn't the best accessible game ever made, but it happens to be produced by American Printing House who is well known by state agencies, schools for the blind, whatever. As a result a while back when I was talking to BSVI and mentioned that I was working on my own accessible games the first thing out of their mouth was, you mean a game like Termite Torpedo? The bottom line here is most of those people knew nothing about Audyssey or most of the games that are out here for the blind. The only reason they knew about Termite Torpedo is because it happens to be in their catalogs, and it is made by a well known organization in the first place. As a result that game, which is so so as far as accessible games goes, has a chance of reaching a wider audience just because it is sold by someone of some repute and renown in the blind community. The same problem happens to developers of screen readers and other accessible products. Some companies have an automatic in, and it is hard to change the system because colleges and government agencies have been stuck in that mold. They have designed their entire program around certain products and have no desire to change. When I was at Wright State they offered a special class for both blind and sighted students geared toward accessibility software as an elective. Since I needed the credits and it looked like an easy class to ace I took it. As it turned out the woman who taught the class claimed to be an expert on accessibility software for the blind, but actually was nothing of the sort. As it turned out I knew more than she did on a variety of topics. Anyway, that entire class was based on Freedom Scientific products such as Jaws, Magic, and Openbook. Nothing was said about competing products like K1000, Window-Eyes, Hal, Zoomtext, or anything else that should have been mentioned or covered in that class. The final project for the class was to write a business proposal to be presented to a company or state agency requesting a computer loaded with accessible software, and explain why. Well, for my proposal I set out to write my paper on access software I happened to use and know well such as Window-Eyes as my screen reader, Omnipage Pro for OCR, and Zoomtext for screen enlargement. I did so for two reasons. First, I wanted the instructer to realise there is software out there besides what she covered in class, and maybe by reading my paper she might learn something new. Second, I personally used the software I wrote about, and liked the products better in many cases than the software that was covered in class. Third, in some cases like Omnipage Pro was much cheaper than Openbook, worked well enough for my uses, and I would be saving the agency or company lots of mony on that sale alone. So you want to know what happened? Well, the instructer took several points off my grade simply because I didn't use any of the products covered in class, and it clearly was a case of I
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
I would think that if your class instructor was not familiar with the products you wrote about, it was her fault, not yours, and she should not have lowered your grade because of her lack of knowledge, especially if it was right there on paper for her, written by someone who knew what he was talking about through personal experience. This is not rocket science, but good old horse sense. --- In God we trust! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:37 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Dark, Unfortunately, it is pretty much like anything else. It all comes down to how it is marketed to the masses. Unfortunately, the blind don't have some central goto source for things like screen readers and accessible games and they hear about them via word of mouth or through agencies that have their pet product to give you. For example, take a game like Termite Torpedo. You and I might agree it probably isn't the best accessible game ever made, but it happens to be produced by American Printing House who is well known by state agencies, schools for the blind, whatever. As a result a while back when I was talking to BSVI and mentioned that I was working on my own accessible games the first thing out of their mouth was, you mean a game like Termite Torpedo? The bottom line here is most of those people knew nothing about Audyssey or most of the games that are out here for the blind. The only reason they knew about Termite Torpedo is because it happens to be in their catalogs, and it is made by a well known organization in the first place. As a result that game, which is so so as far as accessible games goes, has a chance of reaching a wider audience just because it is sold by someone of some repute and renown in the blind community. The same problem happens to developers of screen readers and other accessible products. Some companies have an automatic in, and it is hard to change the system because colleges and government agencies have been stuck in that mold. They have designed their entire program around certain products and have no desire to change. When I was at Wright State they offered a special class for both blind and sighted students geared toward accessibility software as an elective. Since I needed the credits and it looked like an easy class to ace I took it. As it turned out the woman who taught the class claimed to be an expert on accessibility software for the blind, but actually was nothing of the sort. As it turned out I knew more than she did on a variety of topics. Anyway, that entire class was based on Freedom Scientific products such as Jaws, Magic, and Openbook. Nothing was said about competing products like K1000, Window-Eyes, Hal, Zoomtext, or anything else that should have been mentioned or covered in that class. The final project for the class was to write a business proposal to be presented to a company or state agency requesting a computer loaded with accessible software, and explain why. Well, for my proposal I set out to write my paper on access software I happened to use and know well such as Window-Eyes as my screen reader, Omnipage Pro for OCR, and Zoomtext for screen enlargement. I did so for two reasons. First, I wanted the instructer to realise there is software out there besides what she covered in class, and maybe by reading my paper she might learn something new. Second, I personally used the software I wrote about, and liked the products better in many cases than the software that was covered in class. Third, in some cases like Omnipage Pro was much cheaper than Openbook, worked well enough for my uses, and I would be saving the agency or company lots of mony on that sale alone. So you want to know what happened? Well, the instructer took several points off my grade simply because I didn't use any of the products covered in class, and it clearly was a case of I was suppose to parot back everything I heard in class in my proposal. As that hadn't been specified by the instructer I naturally took some issue over that, but I honestly don't think she knew how to grade the ppaper objectively. She admited as much in her office she wasn't familiar with Omnipage Pro, Window-Eyes, etc so couldn't evaluate them so knocked points off. However, I think this proves a very important point about how products like Jaws gets an almost legendary following in the United States. It is simply that colleges, state agencies, schools for the blind, and any other large institution has adopted Jaws early on, and it is almost impossible to convince them to maybe take a closer look at Hal, Window-Eyes, or System Access. Even if you can convince someone within that institution, such as a university, to take a closer look at alternative products there is no garentee their superiors will agree to fit the bill for a completely new product. They'd rather stick with what
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Well I have it. But it's not just the file. It also contains her own personal introduction. The original file as I said was lost with my old laptop. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... well if you can get that file off your friend that would really rock. At 12:10 p.m. 30/11/2009, you wrote: Regrettably no since I forgot to retrieve it before my old laptop died, but a close friend of mine featured it on her podcast so I could still download it. That's one reason I'd like to start my own web site but can't afford to buy a domaine and I'm not really knowledgeable enough yet to start that sort of project since for one thing I don't know html. Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza? Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Bryan, Lol! That would have been a riet to hear. Do you sstill have it? Bryan Peterson wrote: LOL. I always thought Microsoft Sam sounded suicidal. In fact I once created a skit using Text Aloud, Sound Recorder, Gold Wave and a demo of the Dectalk synthesizer in which Microsoft Sam committed suicide and blew up the computer in the process. Then ATT Mike made an announcement along the lines of Sam went nuts and killed himself and the computer and now you're screwed. Then Dectalk sang Taps in a rudementary doo doo doo fashion. So no, I wouldn't use Sam in games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hello Tom. it doesn't surprise me that this is possible in Jaws, but I'm sad it's such a awful hassle to do. During a couple of hours playing with jaws at a society for the blind, I personally found the config options a pest, but I assumed this was simply due to my unfamiliarity with the setup rather than anything particularly wrong with the program itself. This one's actually come up on the audiogames.net forum, sinse one of the other mods has mentioned my use of dashes to denote a pause in the flow of conversation and stated this is somewhat irritating with Jaws. I asked him why he didn't have Jaws customized the way I do Hal, and he claimed in Jaws it was not possible. I know he's a pretty technically astute chap, and if He! cannot find how to solve this in Jaws config it must be berried very deeply indeed. In Hal, it takes me seconds to make these changes, and I often have to reset them if I upgrade Hal and it restores default settings. Hal actually has a setup with menues for speech etc much as you describe Window eyes does. There are plenty of deep and highly complex settings, I could for instance defign precisely which punctuation I wanted spoken in which reading mode by hand, but the only occasion I've ever used this is when experimenting with roguelikes and ascii graphics, generally I find the all, most, some, and none schemes Hal has by default more than adequate. Hal also has an instant save these settings for a given application or webpage button as well. As to any fear of breaking something, Hal has restore to default buttons in every settings page, so if you mess something up, it's easily fixed. On one occasion for instance, I hit a hotkey I didn't expect and suddenly had Hal's on screen reading language set to finish! and reading English with Finish language rules was completely incomprehensible! Now, I know exactly what that hotkey was (ctrl period in the default settings0, however at the time I had no idea how to get it back to english. I tried reading Hal's hotkey reference list, but found it near impossible. So, I opened the control panel thinking what now to find to my utter releaf, that the language for the control panel was quite independent of the on screen language, which does make sense if you wanted to read your screen in one language and configure Hal in another. It didn't take me long at all to find the appropriate item and change it successfully. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
This is exactly why Tom recorded speech or self-voicing options are better, not to mention Sapi for people using windows. It's for this reason I've never been able to try muds until Vip mud came out with it's Sapi support, sinse I couldn't find a default client which output directly to Hal, and my usual methods with reading the screen in Hal couldn't seem to keep up with what was going on in the Mud. Now Hal has Lua mapping support included, it's possible for developers to write up map files for it easily enough, though I stil agree on access options being a better deal for developers to use, sinse people could be using Nvda or whatever. What really showed this to me, was Smugglers 4. I'm not sure of the technical reasons, but the game seemed to play a lot more smoothly with Hal (and I believe window eyes), than with jaws. We can all remember the hoo har over that one, and Niels had to redo some of the item labeling rules just to get Jaws support added. Hopefully, what he's learnt from smugglers 4 will make the access features of the up coming Tv manager 2 less of a hassle, but it is interesting he had to specifically add Jaws support from reader requests, while as you mention, many devs do not support other screen readers. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Bryan, Well, don't forget GMA. As of Lonewolf 3.5 the game has Window Eyes API support. That happened because us non-Jaws users nagged David Greenwood until he realized not all of his Lonewolf customers are Jaws users, and we want the same access to the game as Jaws users. If he could use the JFW API for the game he could use the same for Window Eyes too. In the end he finally added Window Eyes and Sapi 5 support in version 3.5. However, that might not have happened if there were not enough non-Jaws users to maret such an upgrade. However, this is clearly a good case of how the developer uses Jaws, developed the game initially for a Jaws user base, and finally was asked to include other screen readers as part of the games speech output. Cases like this sets a president that we can't assume what access technology, if any, is present on the target computer. These days it could be a free and open source solution like NVDA for all we know. Therefore the game itself should provide all that is necessary for providing accessibility to itself independant of any specific screen reader or speech software that may or may not be present. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
again though Charles, in hal, there's no need to actually unload the program, just flick the voice and or keys of with ctrl zero and ctrl 8 (though as i said, I don't usually turn the keys off unless I need to). The only time I actually have to unload Hal completely, is when upgrading to a new version of Hal, and sinse the installer is self-voicing this isn't quite the same deal. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
funny Tom, I've never felt the need to with hal, and haven't experienced slowdown or anything similar. Indeed, there have been occasions when I've played a bit of a game, flicked out of it, turned Hal's voice on to read E-mails or deal with other matters, then gone back to the game. This is especially true of games where I have to wait for some reason, like Che martin's card games waiting for new players, or even waiting for your character to regain health in technoshock (which seems to take ages). I also flick Hal's voice off when watching dvds for the same reason. I'd actually miss this feature quite a lot if it wasn't possible to use. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
My most amusing sam moment was when I was in the shower in colidge, and my friends turned up unexpectedly early. Not wanting to rush my shower, I then yelled instructions through the door for my friends to run game of life, and we played it while I showered. I stil remember the fits of laughter we Had, when booming through the bathroom door loud but not clear, over the sound of the shower spray was you may playt eh markit if you own stock, but you dnt! In fact with my friends the phrase but you daaant! became a bit of an in joke. Needless to say, when my install issue for Mike and mary was fixed I was very pleased indeed, and when I acquired realspeak daniel later on, I was thrilled! While I did use microsoft sam for about six months of game playing in 2006, I think going back to it would be a real torment! Now you may disagree with me if you like sam, but you dnt! grin! Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Well, at least in the states agencies acknolidge that blind people can! use computers. In England, it's all nitting circles and bingo! Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games Hi Al, That's whya document like Michael Feir's excellently written Personal Power book is a very good help to the blind. If every rehab center or state agency could hand that out to a totally new blind computer user it would go a long ways to solving a lot of problems in terms of exposing them to all the things available to them. Especially, to accessible games of which I am always eager to find new markets and customers. Instead it seams each new generation of blind computer users have to find these things out the hard way by searching for it. Allan Thompson wrote: Just a quick note here... The Veterens administration gives computers to those blind veterens who can handle it. They only give jaws to the vets, and there is absolutely no mention of other screen readers. in fact, the VA trainers in the rehab hospitals for the blind have never once told me anything about all the great things the visually impaired has accomplished thru programs, games, email lists and the like. It would have been nice for those computer teachers to give out lots of links to the communities that are on the internet, it would have made my first few years a lot less stressful and difficult. AS a side note, the only game provided by the VA for the blind was a chess set, and bingo. al --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] fps/tps question
Hi nicol. Just as in English, it's very symple. if you experience thei game from your character's perspective directly, Ie, seeing the sites, and hearing the sounds that he/she would around you, then it's first person. If the character themselves is there for you to move around, and you experience the environment around the character from a different point of view than that of the character, it's a third person game. Most audio games are first person, sinse for obvious reasons it's easier to experience the sounds from your characters perspective. The only ones I can think of which aren't, are Side scrollers like Q9 and mota, where you here what is in front of and behind your character, and know where your character is by the sound of his/her footsteps, --- independently of the environment, it's possible Night of parasite, treasure hunt, and maybe entombed might also count as third person, though this is argueable. Actually, in audio, sinse it's more difficult to represent a large amount of environmental information at a glance, the distinction is a litle more blurry. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Nicol nicoljaco...@telkomsa.net To: gamers Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: [Audyssey] fps/tps question HI all Can someone please explain to me the difference between a first person and third person game? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games
Hi Tom. A rather nasty story about your instructor, though I'm afraid I'm rather amazed institutions in the united states do anything at all regarding accessible games, even if that game is termite torpedo. Over the years I've tried to get the rnib and other institutions in this country to show an interest in gaming at all. Early on, I proposed that sinse tabletop roleplay only takes dice and a manual, it'd be a great thing to create accessible versions of with tactile D10, d20's and d100's, and manuals either in audio or braille form (this was long before I discovered Gma dice). I got the complete brush off and was told this was a minority interest, and that most blind people would not be interested. I pointed out it would be invaluable for students going to uni, and was again, told where to get off. Likewise, I can honestly say that I've never seen any British blind institution own any licenses for accessible games at all. My secondary school, which was an ordinary main stream school with a unit for vi children had no such programs at all, despite several machines running dos and early versions of windows. This might have been excuseable when I started secondary school in 1993, but less so when I left in 1998. I've spoken to some people who went to complete special schools, and from what they said, the schools didn't have access to games either. I'm currently applying for a guide dog, and it'll be interesting to see if the center in sunderland has anything, sinse generally I've found guide dogs to be one of the best organizations for blind people in the country,- and one of the few i've got a lot of time for (the fact that they actually acknolidge having disfuctional eyeballs doesn't affect your brain probably has something to do with it). On the screen reader front, I have noticed the tendency you talk about. My sedcondary school had Hal, and my brother was independently already a supernova user which was how I found the program. When it came to applying to the local authority to buy my equipment for university, I was lucky enough that the officer involved was a long standing family friend, and a very nice fellow, who simply said what do you want, tell me and I'll order it I have heard though, of occasions where people haven't been so lucky. My brother for instance, --- -who applied three years earlier with a different officer was sent for an assassment of what he needed (so he himself didn't have any say), and then was recommended Ie, forced to have, a bunch of stuff. He actually discovered a very nasty litle dodge the counsel were running with a computer systems firm, sinse he was being sold equipment which was two years out of date, but that's another story. Suffice it to say, people aren't always so lucky,a nd local authorities just slap copies of Jaws on people before thinking, and unless the Vi person themselves knows enough to query this, the situation continues. Btw, I've never actually managed to run any of the american printing house games at all. I've tried on my old desktop, my laptop, and my new desktop. This is one reason armadillo army currently has no description on audiogames.net. I could probably cobble something generic togetherjust from reading the manual to the game, but this never really seemed fair, as I do always try my best to play games I write entries for, another reason why game demos are so useful). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
I've noticed realspeak daniel has far more trouble with that than orphius, or indeed sapi does. It's rather irritating actually to play a mud and have st read as street, or ms as manuscript. I've tried to find daniel's dictionary to fix this, but have had no luck so far.. That's again one reason I like orphius but as Jim said in an earlier post, i am very familiar with it. Beware the grue!¬ Dark. - Original Message - From: Jim Kitchen j...@kitchensinc.net To: Thomas Ward Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:03 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review... Hi Thomas, I know one gentleman that says that he likes the Sam voice. Of course he kind of sounds like Sam himself. grin I like Crystal for Email, Lauren and Charles for games. But do use Kate and other voices now and then. And of course Kate is on the Book Sense. But I even like Anjali now and then just for fun. BTW One needs to be careful when programming for sapi5, I have found over 250 acronyms that one or more of the voices say. You know like Crystal will say laughing out loud for LOL, By the way for BTW etc. Some will say liter for Lt. and others will say lieutenant. Some will say street for ST. and others will say saint. Just have to watch stuff like that. grin BFN Jim Down with TLAs! (three letter acronyms) j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
