window-eyes doesn't need to be unloaded either but you actually don't need
to even turn the speech off in that as it will just say the game name and
not bother you with telling such obvias things as cursor keys being pressed.
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From: dark d...@xgam.org
To: Gamers
o no not her! I just hate that voice! it has little to no intonation if you
ask me. and no I haven't listened yet.
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From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com
To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:09 AM
Subject: Re:
Well, you can set hal to do that as well if you wish, but personally I
always prefer voice off anyway.
Glad to here Window eyes does this too.
Beware the grue!
dark.
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From: peter Mahach piterm...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent:
I have never had to turn either Window-Eyes or System Access off when playing
almost any game. Yes, you do here some random chatter when you press keys, but
that is all. There is no conflict with the keyboard, unless you use a hotkey
that the screen reader uses.
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On the subjcct of Screen Readers and games, I have found out something quite
strange about Treasure Hunt. When I tried to enter the code into the control
panel without JAWS loaded, I could not-turned out I had to load JAWS to do
it.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org
Grin. You don't like Karyn? Personally, I preferred Heather for MOTA.
Best Regards,
Hayden
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Behalf Of peter Mahach
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:29 AM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re:
nods, me too. anything is better than caren. heck I can even cope with sam
rofl
though if I were thomas I'd either stick to heather or use another voice
like neospeech kate just like in the old days.
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To: 'Gamers
Window-Eyes is the same way. I've had occasions where I forgot Window-Eyes
was sill running and I booted and played a full game. Never got a sound from
WE until I quit the game. JAWS certainly doesn't do that.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender:
Fair enough Bryan, --- and good to here window eyes is so obliging, i
must admit I've never even met anyone in this country who use window
eyes, much less tried it myself, it's probably the one of the big three
which i know least about.
With hal, how necessary it is to turn the
Hi Bill,
The problem you are facing has to do with the fact that Jaws and other
screen readers do not play along well with DirectX. Games that use
DirectInput lock up when the screen reader is running because the fact
Jaws and the game are both trying to get direct access to the keyboard
at
Hi Yohandy,
Yes, I do. I use images rather than full system installs when
reformatting or reinstalling the system. The exception is, of course, if
I am doing a from scratch install with a new version of Windows, or need
to update the images with a bunch of software upgrades.
Smile
Yohandy
Hi Dark,
It is interesting you bring this topic up. As it happens I am a Window
eyes user, have been so for a number of years, and haven't experienced
any issues with having it running while playing a game like Q9 or
Mysteries of the Ancients. The problem with the screen reader and the
games
Hi Charles,
Actually, to unload Jaws that is insert+f4 or if you care to use their
proprietary terminology that is Jaws Key+f4.
Smile
Charles Rivard wrote:
I never put JAWS to sleep. I always unload it with the control f4 command
before loading any self-voicing game. That way, I am sure
Interesting Tom.
I admit, i know very litle about window eyes at all, in fact I didn't
even know it existed until about 3 years ago. i suspect this is for the same
reason that many people in the Us do not know about Hal.
I wasn't sure about window eyes and games, though as so much
Hi.
http://technology.jaredrimer.net has a cast with the q9 demo in it.
its just been released.
still having huge issue beating q9 on easy.
I have some success jumping on one spot over monsters but all my shields have
been used up on level 1 and 2 and now well not sure.
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Doubtless Dark the reason for that is that while they may say your screen
reader, a lot of game developers probably assume most of their customer
base uses JAWS. I myself was a staunch JAWS user until two years ago, when I
discovered that JAWS won't let me use the NeoSpeach voices and
Hi Peter,
Personally, I have always felt that Scansoft Karen is the best voice for
the Windows operating system that is currently available. It is based on
a well known singer and voice actress, Karen Jacobson, who has become
world famous for her voice. Obviously the TTS Engine falls short of
Does it not work? Every time I even try installing the game I get the following
error message which I will attempt to duplicate since I have no idea how I'd
paste it. But after I click Install I get an error that says ISDN660.tmp, which
says that the application could not start because it could
That is probably true Bryan, I've noticed that some people tend to assume
every person using a screen reader will automatically use Jaws.
I was for instance a trifle irritated when during one of my first
experiments with muds, I wrote to the admins of Alterean to get things
working, and
Hi Peter,
You have got to be kidding me. Microsoft Sam is like the absolute worst
voice I've heard for the computer. If I was going to have my customers
suffer through the torment of listening to it I might have just put Sapi
5 support into the Genesis Engine, and be done with it.
As far as
Hi Bryan,
Yes, Classic Troopenum will run on Vista, but you have to elivate the
runtime to full administrator status otherwise it will bomb out. If you
Go to the Troopenum icon, press the context menu key, a pulldown menu
will appear. Arrow to run as administrator, press enter, and Troopenum
Hi Bryan,
That's not so surprising really. When I first went blind the first thing
they showed me was Jaws. As a result that is what I ended up with for
school, college, and being new to blindness and screen readers in
general I really didn't know anything different. I just assumed Jaws was
LOL. I always thought Microsoft Sam sounded suicidal. In fact I once created
a skit using Text Aloud, Sound Recorder, Gold Wave and a demo of the Dectalk
synthesizer in which Microsoft Sam committed suicide and blew up the
computer in the process. Then ATT Mike made an announcement along the
I'm actually talking about the actual install process, but that does give
me an idea.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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To: Gamers Discussion
Hi Dark,
Actually, Jaws has the ability to fully customize what punctuation is
read, but it is buried very deep in the Jaws configuration manager.
Unless you are a highly skilled or advanced Jaws user you will never
find or be able to configure the punctuation exactly the way you want in
a
Hi Bryan,
Well, don't forget GMA. As of Lonewolf 3.5 the game has Window Eyes API
support. That happened because us non-Jaws users nagged David Greenwood
until he realized not all of his Lonewolf customers are Jaws users, and
we want the same access to the game as Jaws users. If he could use
Hi Bryan,
Hmmm...Interesting. I haven't had that problem with any of BSC's games,
but it is possible something is corrupted. Maybe it is a simple matter
of cleaning out your temp directory and trying again.
Bryan Peterson wrote:
I'm actually talking about the actual install process, but
Hi Bryan,
Lol! That would have been a riet to hear. Do you sstill have it?
Bryan Peterson wrote:
LOL. I always thought Microsoft Sam sounded suicidal. In fact I once
created a skit using Text Aloud, Sound Recorder, Gold Wave and a demo
of the Dectalk synthesizer in which Microsoft Sam
Exactly. I hated using JAWS with Sryth. I'm the sort of person that
generally doesn't like keyboard echo on, especially not for every character,
and I also don't like punctuation read out at me. Getting JAWS to remember
those settings was always a pain. And it was more than a little distracting
I've never actually tried using Window-Eyes with Lone Wolf. I tend to use
Sapi. But I am glad the game offers that option in case I ever decided to
mix things up a bit for variety. And if I was to start developing games I
would try to include options for as many screen readers as I could right
Hmmm. I suppose I could try that also. That's in the Windows folder is it
not? Because Hunter and Classic Pipe ran on my machine no trouble, but for
some reason the original Troopanum won't even completely install. I get that
error about being unable to locate a component or somesuch.
Homer:
Just a quick note here...
The Veterens administration gives computers to those blind veterens who can
handle it. They only give jaws to the vets, and there is absolutely no
mention of other screen readers. in fact, the VA trainers in the rehab
hospitals for the blind have never once told me
So you got Pipe to work?
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:46 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Classic Troopanum on Windows Vista?
Hmmm. I suppose I
That'd be funny at the least, and insanely hilarious at best.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:39 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas'
Regrettably no since I forgot to retrieve it before my old laptop died, but
a close friend of mine featured it on her podcast so I could still download
it. That's one reason I'd like to start my own web site but can't afford to
buy a domaine and I'm not really knowledgeable enough yet to start
If I had to use Sam, I'd die. Plus, MOTA would come off of my games to buy
list. grin
Best Regards,
Hayden
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 3:20 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Yes I did. I turned off that stupid User Account Control thing in Vista
since that has been known to interfere with installed programs even when the
install goes as planned. THe program won't run. But for some reason I can't
get Classic Troopanum to install, and that is a favorite of mine.
brian you are going to have to send that,.
actually I think you are on the pkb group if you have any funny synth stuff
shove it on the dropbox.
At 11:03 a.m. 30/11/2009, you wrote:
LOL. I always thought Microsoft Sam sounded suicidal. In fact I once created a
skit using Text Aloud, Sound
I don't think so. At least that doesn't ring a bell.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday,
My thought is that, maybe it should be a general practice to unload your
screen reader regardless of which one you use, just to make sure that there
are no keyboard or voicing conflicts.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers
Which podcast is it? One question-I saw Podcast 92, where did you get those
games?
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of shaun everiss
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 2:57 PM
To: gamers@audyssey.org
Subject: [Audyssey] heads
I agree that, while the configuration manager is too complex, it is very
customizable.
As for hanging you out to dry, I will not buy MOTA. Why not?? I already
did. Ha ha. Dang, it's going to be a great game! The waiting is tougher
than good beef jerky!
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Hi Charles,
That's a good point. I generally unload my screen reader, Window Eyes,
anyway when playing a game for the simple fact it frees the CPU and
memory up for the game. I will however keep it running if I'm debugging
a game, so I can read error mesages, or I happen to be playing a game
Mmm, jerky. LOL.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
Vender: No pizza. Only Khlav Kalash.
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From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 9:04 PM
Hi Charles,
Exactly my point. Jaws is extremely customizable, but the options are
buried in the configuration manager and you have to know what to look
for and where to find it in the configuration manager.
As a part time user of Jaws I'm not, shall we say a daily Jaws user, so
it takes me
Hi Bryan,
I think this is a question probably better suited for Justin. I know
very little of what dependancies the game requires, and I did test the
game on Vista back when checking out Vista for the first time. I managed
to get it installed, but haven't messed with Classic Troopenum or
Hi Haden,
You and me both. I couldn't even play the game if I had to use Sam. I
think I could put up with ESpeak, which sounds like crap, before Sam. At
least ESpeak I am use to since it is the default TTS Engine on Linux,
and I use it daily. So have gotten use to hearing ESpeak, but Sam
Hi Tom
Just a guess here but I'm getting the feeling you don't like the Sam
voice? *lol*
Ron
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas'
Hi Ron,
That's wight wabbit.
Sincerely,
Elmer Fud
Ron Schamerhorn wrote:
Hi Tom
Just a guess here but I'm getting the feeling you don't like the Sam
voice? *lol*
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Really? That's a feature I've come to like in JAWS myself.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:27 PM
To: Charles Rivard; Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen
Grin.
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
Behalf Of Thomas Ward
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:51 PM
To: Gamers Discussion list
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas' Review...
Hi Ron,
That's wight wabbit.
Sincerely,
Elmer Fud
How strange. I got that same impression. Maybe it was because of some
slight indication he sent? Nah! That couldn't have been it! Never!
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From: Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday,
Hi Al,
That's whya document like Michael Feir's excellently written Personal
Power book is a very good help to the blind. If every rehab center or
state agency could hand that out to a totally new blind computer user it
would go a long ways to solving a lot of problems in terms of exposing
Hi Bryan,
Personally, I feel self-voicing the games is a better solution. Not all
screen readers have a ready to use API like Window-Eyes and Jaws does.
NVDA, for example, doesn't have an API you could just tap into making it
more difficult to insure your game works with that screen reader.
I'm not sure exactly what it was but there was a slight feeling of negative
energy. *l*
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From: Charles Rivard woofer...@sbcglobal.net
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] About Thomas'
Hi,
Perhaps it was the dark side of the force you feel? Lol!
Ron Schamerhorn wrote:
I'm not sure exactly what it was but there was a slight feeling of negative
energy. *l*
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Hi Hayden,
I'm sure that little feature of Jaws works out ok for day to day use for
most people. However, there are also times it just plane gets in the
way. Like if you want to log into Sryth, you already have a kooky with
your user name and password saved, so all you have to do is press
Not sure why this happened, but I could never get classic Troopanum to work on
Vista either, after upgrading from XP. After I did a vista reinstall a few
weeks ago, the game works fine.
Karl
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From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On
well if you can get that file off your friend that would really rock.
At 12:10 p.m. 30/11/2009, you wrote:
Regrettably no since I forgot to retrieve it before my old laptop died, but a
close friend of mine featured it on her podcast so I could still download it.
That's one reason I'd like to
HI all
Can someone please explain to me the difference between a first person and
third person game?
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Hi Dark,
Unfortunately, it is pretty much like anything else. It all comes down
to how it is marketed to the masses. Unfortunately, the blind don't have
some central goto source for things like screen readers and accessible
games and they hear about them via word of mouth or through agencies
Hi all
how do I join a gild in core exiles?
I think i may look at a list, since I really need to do something about getting
somewhere.
right now I only just have enough to live by.
Sooner rather than later I will be running out of things.
ip is low, like real low spent most of it well a good
Hi Karl,
well, in my experience if you run the handy Windows upgrade cds over a
previous copy of Windows things tend to break, and the operating system
can get messed up in ways that are holy unexpected. That is one major
reason whenever I decide to upgrade to a new version of Windows i
Hi Nicol,
Sure can. The primary difference between First Person and Third Person
games is purely visual. In a Third Person game like Tomb Raider you can
see the main character like Lara Croft on the screen, at all times, as
you move around the game world. It is like a movie where you can see
Hi Thomas,
When I first went to the Cleveland Sight Center's computer lab, they showed me
Vert Plus by IBM with a DecTalk and Jaws for dos version 1 with an Accent SA.
Not only was Henter Joyce a start up company at the time, I liked the Jaws and
Accent SA combination better. It wasn't
Hi Thomas,
I know one gentleman that says that he likes the Sam voice. Of course he kind of
sounds like Sam himself. grin
I like Crystal for Email, Lauren and Charles for games. But do use Kate and
other voices now and then. And of course Kate is on the Book Sense. But I
even like Anjali
Hello,
Unless you still received an A in the class, did you challenge the grade
she gave you since you had proof that her grading of your paper was
inappropriately biased? Most people do not challenge inappropriate
grading, but every university has a policy in place to deal with such.
When
I would think that if your class instructor was not familiar with the
products you wrote about, it was her fault, not yours, and she should not
have lowered your grade because of her lack of knowledge, especially if it
was right there on paper for her, written by someone who knew what he was
Well I have it. But it's not just the file. It also contains her own
personal introduction. The original file as I said was lost with my old
laptop.
Homer: Hey, uh, could you go across the street and get me a slice of pizza?
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Hello Tom.
it doesn't surprise me that this is possible in Jaws, but I'm sad it's
such a awful hassle to do.
During a couple of hours playing with jaws at a society for the blind, I
personally found the config options a pest, but I assumed this was simply
due to my unfamiliarity with
This is exactly why Tom recorded speech or self-voicing options are
better, not to mention Sapi for people using windows.
It's for this reason I've never been able to try muds until Vip mud came out
with it's Sapi support, sinse I couldn't find a default client which output
directly to
again though Charles, in hal, there's no need to actually unload the
program, just flick the voice and or keys of with ctrl zero and ctrl 8
(though as i said, I don't usually turn the keys off unless I need to).
The only time I actually have to unload Hal completely, is when
funny Tom, I've never felt the need to with hal, and haven't experienced
slowdown or anything similar.
Indeed, there have been occasions when I've played a bit of a game, flicked
out of it, turned Hal's voice on to read E-mails or deal with other matters,
then gone back to the game.
This is
My most amusing sam moment was when I was in the shower in colidge, and
my friends turned up unexpectedly early.
Not wanting to rush my shower, I then yelled instructions through the door
for my friends to run game of life, and we played it while I showered.
I stil remember the fits of
Well, at least in the states agencies acknolidge that blind people can! use
computers.
In England, it's all nitting circles and bingo!
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com
To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org
Sent: Monday,
Hi nicol.
Just as in English, it's very symple. if you experience thei game from your
character's perspective directly, Ie, seeing the sites, and hearing the
sounds that he/she would around you, then it's first person.
If the character themselves is there for you to move around, and you
Hi Tom.
A rather nasty story about your instructor, though I'm afraid I'm
rather amazed institutions in the united states do anything at all regarding
accessible games, even if that game is termite torpedo.
Over the years I've tried to get the rnib and other institutions in this
I've noticed realspeak daniel has far more trouble with that than
orphius, or indeed sapi does.
It's rather irritating actually to play a mud and have st read as street, or
ms as manuscript.
I've tried to find daniel's dictionary to fix this, but have had no
luck so far..
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