Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[N.A. Neff]

Hi Jane,

I thought I remembered them saying the stockinette machines at Hurt's were
from the 16th C (I still find it amazing they are still working after four
centuries) -- they were definitely English. I know that the
machine-knitting industry started under Queen Elizabeth because she was the
monarch who gave them such a hard time. One machine was taken to France,
put back together and copied, while England was suppressing the industry.
But people have given better references to all that already. But I'm
positive that the Hurt machines were English.

Nancy
Ashford, CT USA

On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 4:52 AM Jane Partridge  wrote:

> ... I would be interested to know which country the 1590 machine Nancy
> referred to was in, as England at the time had a Queen, not a King
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Gon Homburg]

In Holland there is a museum, De Kantfabriek, in which the machines are still
running. They do make lace, but not really for sale. The machines are running
during the tours. This is their website: https://www.museumdekantfabriek.nl

I will have a look for photo’s and publish them than on Flickr.

Best regards,

Gon Homburg, Amsterdam, The Netherlands



> Op 12 feb. 2021, om 09:50 heeft Maureen  het
volgende geschreven:
>
> And there is a Facebook page called Descendents of the lacemakers of
Calais.
>
> Regards
> Maureen
>
>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I would look at the website of ‘The Australian Lacemakers of Calais’
who have lots of information about the machine lacemakers who left England in
the early 1800s and set up in Calais only to have to leave during the French
Revolution. A book called ‘Well Suited to the Colony’ was written by
Gillian Kelly gives lots of information.  I was asked to review this book by
the Lace Guild about 2007 and as a result found the above website. I also
found the then chairman, I think he is or was based in Sydney, extremely
helpful as well as Gillian Kelly.  Both sent photos and all sorts of
information and even provided a link for a working machine. I gave a few talks
at the time.
>>
>> Hope this is also of some help.
>>
>> Regards
>> Maureen where is is currently -5C UK
>>
>>
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Jane Partridge]

There's a book about the machine lace industry in the Lace Guild's library 
which I'm sure I wrote something about on Arachne some years ago. It is 
something like the "History of the Nottingham Lace Industry" but I'm going on 
memory and may be wrong. There was a company in Long Eaton, GH Hurt & Co (about 
15 years ago) who produced frame knitted items for sale to the various shops 
and museums, whether they are still in business I don't know. Also a Leavers 
machine was displayed at the museum in Rufford Country Park, Nottinghamshire, 
and frame knitting demonstrated at Ruddington Museum. I doubt much will be 
available to visit until after lockdown ends, but most museums have websites. I 
think there may be machines displayed at Wollaton Hall (Nottingham, near to 
Queens Medical Centre) but haven't been there for years. Most of the Nottingham 
industry has gone, the changes in fashion took their toll as much on the 
machine industry as they did the hand made, plus they had competitio!
 n from cheaper sources abroad. It might be worth contacting Nottingham Trent 
University (unless she's already studying there) as they have a large lace 
resource. Most of the lace from the old Nottingham Museum of Costume and Lace 
went to the Nottingham Castle Museum, so will be in their reserve collection. 
There used to be sock/stocking machines in the museum at Snibston near 
Coalville in Leicestershire, Coalville Council might know what happened to them 
after the museum closed.

As Maureen says, there's a lot of information in the Lacemakers of Calais book 
(produced for an exhibition in Loughborough which I went to) based on John 
Heathcoate's (Leavers) machines. I haven't seen much of the history of the 
Barmen and Raschelle machines, other than seeing them in the old Nottingham 
Lace Centre, sadly long closed.

I would be interested to know which country the 1590 machine Nancy referred to 
was in, as England at the time had a Queen, not a King.

Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Brenda Paternoster]

The machines which sought to imitate bobbin lace date back to the early 1800s
and I think the one I saw in Nottingham some years ago was mid-late 1800s.

The frame knitting machines, one of which I saw demonstrated at G H Hurt in
Nottingham, do date back to the 1600s, they were designed to knit stockings
rather than make lace.

For anyone interested in the history of machine lace I thoroughly recommend
the Pat Earnshaw books.

Brenda

>
>
> Yes, a number of Arachne members saw the Nottingham stockinette machines
> from the 17th or 18th C (I'm not sure if the ones we saw went back to the
> 1600's -- I find that hard to believe in hindsight), including ones still
> working. I have a really lovely shawl knit on one of those machines; quite
> a few other Arachnids bought knitted items.

Brenda Paternoster
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Maureen]

And there is a Facebook page called Descendents of the lacemakers of Calais.

Regards 
Maureen


> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I would look at the website of ‘The Australian Lacemakers of Calais’ who have 
> lots of information about the machine lacemakers who left England in the 
> early 1800s and set up in Calais only to have to leave during the French 
> Revolution. A book called ‘Well Suited to the Colony’ was written by Gillian 
> Kelly gives lots of information.  I was asked to review this book by the Lace 
> Guild about 2007 and as a result found the above website. I also found the 
> then chairman, I think he is or was based in Sydney, extremely helpful as 
> well as Gillian Kelly.  Both sent photos and all sorts of information and 
> even provided a link for a working machine. I gave a few talks at the time.
> 
> Hope this is also of some help.
> 
> Regards 
> Maureen where is is currently -5C UK
> 
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Maureen]

Hi

I would look at the website of ‘The Australian Lacemakers of Calais’ who have 
lots of information about the machine lacemakers who left England in the early 
1800s and set up in Calais only to have to leave during the French Revolution. 
A book called ‘Well Suited to the Colony’ was written by Gillian Kelly gives 
lots of information.  I was asked to review this book by the Lace Guild about 
2007 and as a result found the above website. I also found the then chairman, I 
think he is or was based in Sydney, extremely helpful as well as Gillian Kelly. 
 Both sent photos and all sorts of information and even provided a link for a 
working machine. I gave a few talks at the time.

Hope this is also of some help.

Regards 
Maureen where is is currently -5C UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[Alice Howell]

 I was one of those people in 1998 at the Arachne 98 Conference who saw the
lacemaking machines.  They had at least one of the original style of
machines, and demonstrated how it was worked by hand and foot.
A few years ago I was a featured artist at fiber show, and had to give a half
hour talk on the history of lace.  Below are two paragraphs related to that
first machine.

Quote:

During the 1700s, the industrial revolution was getting started. Machines were
being invented to do things previously done by hand. A Stockinette machine,
that made knitted stockings with a design up the side of the sock, was
developed about 1590 but it took a lot of hand manipulation to get the design.
The inventor wanted to improve and market his machine but he needed permission
from the king. This king was afraid this machine would take away his sources
of lace income so refused permission. Nothing could be done with the new
machine until this king died and a new king was in charge.

In the early 1700s, the machine was improved so it was more automated. Then
instead of just putting a design in the sock by creating holes, the whole
fabric was holes…a net fabric, like wedding veils are made from. Thus
started the demise of the hand lace industry. By 1800, they had a machine that
could produce large net fabrics. The net background of some laces no longer
had to be made by hand. They could start with the machine net and just
applique the handmade lace flowers or designs on it. This reduced the time
needed to make an item, and the number of people making it.
End quote.
The entire talk is on the webpage of the Portland Lace Society
(portlandlacesociety.com) under the heading Lace History.
Alice in Oregon -- where we are at the start of a 2-day snow and ice storm.
Good time for lacing.





On Thursday, February 11, 2021, 6:56:58 PM PST, N.A. Neff
 wrote:

 Hi Rochelle,

Yes, a number of Arachne members saw the Nottingham stockinette machines
from the 17th or 18th C (I'm not sure if the ones we saw went back to the
1600's -- I find that hard to believe in hindsight), including ones still
working. I have a really lovely shawl knit on one of those machines; quite
a few other Arachnids bought knitted items.

I also have an article on lacemaking machines in Europe, Germany I think,
but I'm not sure how old the machines were that were being discussed. I
will try to find it.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


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> knowing more about the early lacemaking machines. Does anyone know
> anything? Has anyone seen them in action in museums? I have an idea I have
> seen discussions on arachne about it before, so I am hoping someone can
> help her. Thanks,
> ---
> Rochelle SutherlandCottons and Bobbins Lacemaking Supplies by Rochelle
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[lace] Lacemaking machines

[Rochelle Sutherland]

Hi everyone, I have an unusual request. I am helping a higher degree student 
with lacemaking for her textile art degree and she is interested in knowing 
more about the early lacemaking machines. Does anyone know anything? Has anyone 
seen them in action in museums? I have an idea I have seen discussions on 
arachne about it before, so I am hoping someone can help her. Thanks,
---
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SutherlandEmail orders: 
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking machines

[N.A. Neff]

Hi Rochelle,

Yes, a number of Arachne members saw the Nottingham stockinette machines
from the 17th or 18th C (I'm not sure if the ones we saw went back to the
1600's -- I find that hard to believe in hindsight), including ones still
working. I have a really lovely shawl knit on one of those machines; quite
a few other Arachnids bought knitted items.

I also have an article on lacemaking machines in Europe, Germany I think,
but I'm not sure how old the machines were that were being discussed. I
will try to find it.

Nancy
Connecticut, USA


On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 9:28 PM Rochelle Sutherland 
wrote:

> Hi everyone, I have an unusual request. I am helping a higher degree
> student with lacemaking for her textile art degree and she is interested in
> knowing more about the early lacemaking machines. Does anyone know
> anything? Has anyone seen them in action in museums? I have an idea I have
> seen discussions on arachne about it before, so I am hoping someone can
> help her. Thanks,
> ---
> Rochelle SutherlandCottons and Bobbins Lacemaking Supplies by Rochelle
> SutherlandEmail orders: cottonsandbobb...@lacemakingsupplies.com
> .auWebsite:http://lacemakingsupplies.com.auPhone: 02 6374 2696
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[lace] Lacemaking in Brazil

[Debora Lustgarten]

Hi Devon and all,

Although I couldn't find a video of a bolster being made, to show the 
banana leaf filling, the video in this link shows the bobbins made of 
jungle nuts and reed stems, as well as the cactus thorns used instead of pins.
They are quite suitable to the coarse nature of the bolster and the 
thread thickness they prefer.

Something I love is their bold use of eye-popping colours!
Enjoy,

Debora Lustgarten
Toronto, Ontario

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjBmM7QEKlU


At 02:25 PM 2/25/2020, Devon Thein wrote:

Many thanks to Jo for that fantastic picture of a lacemaker seated behind a
huge bolster as in the picture from the Codex. Many thanks also to Deborah
for the suggestion that it is a banana leaf pillow from Brazil, based on
Portuguese lace pillows. I have been looking for other examples on the
internet and while there are some large bolsters, this one in Jo's photo is
the largest. I wonder if Deborah has any other information about the banana
leaf pillows of Brazil or photos of other examples. This is very
interesting.
Devon


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[lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America-Brazil

[Devon Thein]

Many thanks to Jo for that fantastic picture of a lacemaker seated behind a
huge bolster as in the picture from the Codex. Many thanks also to Deborah
for the suggestion that it is a banana leaf pillow from Brazil, based on
Portuguese lace pillows. I have been looking for other examples on the
internet and while there are some large bolsters, this one in Jo's photo is
the largest. I wonder if Deborah has any other information about the banana
leaf pillows of Brazil or photos of other examples. This is very
interesting.
Devon

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Maria Greil]

Hello Carolina and to all of the rest of the arachneans,

I have read your comments with great interest, but since I am no expert in
the lace made in the Hispanic colonies, I have nothing to say to the
opinion of Carolina de la Guardia: she has been working in that field for a
couple of years and I think she knows a lot. I am supporting her and what
she says 100%.
If you were talking about Spanish Mantillas, then I think I had something
to say, but lace made in the Spanish colonies  Carolina knows much more
than I.

Maria Greil


El dom., 16 feb. 2020 a las 15:23, jo () escribió:

> The two colors might be the color of the pricking and the color of the
> thread.
> Jo
>
> > ... as the pattern seems to take 2 colors ... Kim
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RE: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[jo]

The two colors might be the color of the pricking and the color of the
thread.
Jo

> ... as the pattern seems to take 2 colors ... Kim

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[cadega2]

The artifacts in the hands of the lady in the picture I think that they are 
clearly bobbins. By the way very well represented.
What really surprises me is the lace displayed on the big pillow, as the Codex 
is dated in 18th century. This is older than The picture that Bev has 
contributed with and taken in last century. 
The word “trenzilla” it means a type of ribbon that usually was made with the 
hands as a plait, as a trimming which was used to cover the seams, and also to 
decorate dressings, hats, objects, or any other piece made with thick tissues, 
so the threads were also thick, golded or plated.
It Leads me to think that this word “trenzilla” and the verb “trenzillar”, 
could be used in the next century to describe “a type of lace made with thick 
threads” in the Spanish Colonies.
On another hand, it is known  that in Spain were made narrow laces since 17th 
century worked with few pairs of bobbins, done for the same purpose, that of 
trimming and/or decorate the underskirt and linens but in this case the 
material was white thread.
The picture in this case shows a big pillow, and the piece does not seem a set 
of narrow braids worked at the same time all broad wise, but a wide piece of 
lace. 
Very interesting. I would like to hear the opinion of Maria Greil.
Regards.

Carolina de la Guardia
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Adele Shaak]

I think she’s making bobbin lace, all right.

If you’re describing something in a manuscript that also contains
information about lots of other things, your space is probably limited. You
get the most bang for your buck, illustration-wise, by depicting several
things at once. So you draw a long view of a woman making bobbin lace, plus
the lace itself is enlarged enough to show the pattern and the method of work.
The picture isn’t intended to be a decorative object, it is intended to
convey information; this composite picture shows the woman, the apparatus, the
pattern being produced, and gives an idea of the method of work.

Seeing the photo of the wide pillows at Arenys de Mar, that Bev sent, I can
easily see that you could use a pillow that wide, possibly making the same
narrower patterns several times at one go. It does look like the woman in
Devon's picture is working on the centre two stalks, and we can see she has
bobbins set aside to work the sets of two stalks on either side.

Fascinating picture.

Adele
Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)


> On Feb 15, 2020, at 5:01 PM, DevonThein  wrote:
>
>  It was from the Codex of Martinez
> Companon. The conservator says it is part of a manuscript sent to the king
of
> Spain in the late 18th century. The information about it, in the index,
says
> Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean Mestizo woman
weaving
> braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace? What do people think
about
> this?

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Bev Walker]

Hello Devon, Sue and everyone

It could be a giant pillow!
Check the photo on this page for the lace museum at Arenys de Mar.in Spain,
even though about two centuries later than the codex. The technology was
earlier known?
http://www.arenysdemar.org/museu/index_i.htm

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 5:45 PM Devon Thein  wrote:

> Yes, it is a very large pillow.
>


-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Kim Davis]

Fascinating topic!

The structure she is working on looks much more like a loom than a pillow.
I know  very little about weaving, but there is
at least one type that uses bobbins.  The textile which is coming off of
the back also looks more like a weaving or tapestry
as the pattern seems to take 2 colors to make.   I can't wait to hear what
others have to say.

Kim

On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 5:01 PM DevonThein  wrote:

> About 20 years ago I received a question about whether lace was being made
> in
> Colonial Spanish America. I did not know the answer. I asked a curator at
> he
> Hispanic Society. He didn’t know, but he said it was very likely because
> the
> Spanish tended to set up these industries in their colonies. I asked
> another
> scholar at the Met about this and she said it would have to be researched
> in
> the Codexes. She was involved in a show, The Colonial Andes: Tapestries and
> Silverwork, 1530-1830. The show was very striking for the sophistication of
> the craftsmanship in the tapestries, as well as the Silver. Also there were
> many paintings showing people in Spanish America wearing lace.
> Today, on my Instagram stream I was treated to an image from a textile
> conservator that really caught my attention. It was from the Codex of
> Martinez
> Companon. The conservator says it is part of a manuscript sent to the king
> of
> Spain in the late 18th century. The information about it, in the index,
> says
> Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean Mestizo woman
> weaving
> braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace? What do people think
> about
> this?
> Here is the link:
>
>
>
http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/trujillo-del-peru--volumen-ii/html
> /966bf129-a181-4dd1-996b-ac44db7844e2_110.html
>

>
>
> Devon
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[Devon Thein]

Yes, it is a very large pillow. Many of the other images in the Codex show
examples of industry. I don't know if there are some of these that are out
of scale in an effort to focus on the process, since I don't really know
what the industry is. Also, perhaps someone is trying to draw something
that they haven't seen, but have heard described. (I just saw Durer's
Rhinoceros today at the Met. Apparently he had never seen one, but had
drawn from a description, so there are errors.)
Devon


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[lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America (second try)

[Devon Thein]

About 20 years ago I received a question about whether lace was being made
in Colonial Spanish America. I did not know the answer. I asked a curator
at he Hispanic Society. He didn’t know, but he said it was very likely
because the Spanish tended to set up these industries in their colonies. I
asked another scholar at the Met about this and she said it would have to
be researched in the Codexes. She was involved in a show, The Colonial
Andes: Tapestries and Silverwork, 1530-1830. The show was very striking for
the sophistication of the craftsmanship in the tapestries, as well as the
Silver. Also there were many paintings showing people in Spanish America
wearing lace.

Today, on my Instagram stream I was treated to an image from a textile
conservator that really caught my attention. It was from the Codex of
Martinez Companon. The conservator says it is part of a manuscript sent to
the king of Spain in the late 18th century. The information about it, in
the index, says Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean
Mestizo woman weaving braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace?
What do people think about this?

Here is the link:



http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/trujillo-del-peru--volumen-ii/html
/966bf129-a181-4dd1-996b-ac44db7844e2_110.html





Devon

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[suebabbs385]

If she is making bobbin lace, it's on a giant pillow!

Sue

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Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean Mestizo woman weaving
braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace? What do people think about
this?
Here is the link:

http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/trujillo-del-peru--volumen-ii/html
/966bf129-a181-4dd1-996b-ac44db7844e2_110.html


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[lace] Lacemaking in Colonial Spanish America

[DevonThein]

About 20 years ago I received a question about whether lace was being made in
Colonial Spanish America. I did not know the answer. I asked a curator at he
Hispanic Society. He didn’t know, but he said it was very likely because the
Spanish tended to set up these industries in their colonies. I asked another
scholar at the Met about this and she said it would have to be researched in
the Codexes. She was involved in a show, The Colonial Andes: Tapestries and
Silverwork, 1530-1830. The show was very striking for the sophistication of
the craftsmanship in the tapestries, as well as the Silver. Also there were
many paintings showing people in Spanish America wearing lace.
Today, on my Instagram stream I was treated to an image from a textile
conservator that really caught my attention. It was from the Codex of Martinez
Companon. The conservator says it is part of a manuscript sent to the king of
Spain in the late 18th century. The information about it, in the index, says
Mestiza de Valles texiendo trensilla. This seems to mean Mestizo woman weaving
braid. Does this show a woman making bobbin lace? What do people think about
this?
Here is the link:

http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/obra-visor/trujillo-del-peru--volumen-ii/html
/966bf129-a181-4dd1-996b-ac44db7844e2_110.html


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[lace] Lacemaking Weekends in North Wales - April, August and October 2019

[Jane Partridge]

I know not everyone on Arachne uses Facebook, or checks The Lace Guild's 
website, so I thought while the list is quiet I would let you know about three 
lacemaking events I'm organising at a narrow gauge preserved railway in 
Porthmadog, North Wales, this year. I've been a volunteer shedmaster (ie 
looking after passengers in the museum) at the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway 
since 2009, and started organising lace events as a "something different" 
fundraising effort, with the first of our annual Lace on the Train weekends 
being held in September, 2011, to coincide with National Lacemaking Day. A 
couple of years later, we added a residential weekend in the hotel opposite the 
railway, where the proprietors let us use their function room free of charge. 
This was a successful event, but the following year the proprietors had moved 
on and the hotel was undergoing refurbishment prior to new tenants taking over, 
so Plan B was put into operation and although it meant we could no longe!
 r offer accommodation, our lacemaking weekend was moved to our Volunteer's 
"mess" at the railway, and  we now hold two weekends each year. All lacemakers 
are welcome, no matter which type of lace they make.

Lace on the Train (August 3rd and 4th, 2019) started out "as it says on the 
can" - we sat in one of the carriages on the train making lace as we travelled 
up the line and back. With the husband of one of the lacemakers driving, it 
made for a relatively smooth ride (he'd hear about it later if it wasn't!!!). 
Traction for this weekend is normally steam, and it is included in the "Special 
Events" list on the timetable. There were a couple of problems, though, as if 
we sat together the passengers left us to it and went in other carriages, and 
some were not comfortable making lace on the move, so although now the 
opportunity is still there for those who want to make lace on a steam train 
ride, we have tables set out in the museum where we can sit and work, and offer 
the other passengers the chance to have a go. This often means that parents are 
coerced into staying between trains by children who have got engrossed in 
making lace. Last year the young son of our Training Officer sp!
 ent an afternoon with us, taking to bobbin lace like duck to water, and had 
three pieces of lace to take away with him by the end of the day. (Thankfully 
Pam had brought a second beginner pillow with a bookmark in progress which he 
finished). I think he also had a go at tatting.  There is no need to book, just 
turn up on the day, but if I have an idea of how many lacemakers to expect it 
helps when getting tables and chairs out!

For those who don't want to be in the public eye, and want to get on with some 
lace without the usual interruptions you get at home, we have the two 
lacemaking weekends - this year, Saturday 6 to Sunday 7 April (the weekend 
before Haydock) and 12 to 13 October. We sit in the Weatherby Room in the 
Volunteers' Amenity Block where we have table space for 12 lacemakers and full 
kitchen facilities. I need to know in advance who is coming and which day/s for 
these weekends.  Having C qualifications and taught lacemaking for 15 years  
in the past, absolute beginners are welcome and I can help anyone learning 
Bucks, Beds, Torchon, Honiton, needlelace and tatting (advance warning would be 
appreciated though!). 

As the intention behind these events is to raise money for various railway 
projects - restoring and maintaining a preserved railway with steam and diesel 
locos costs a lot, especially as we are reliant on fares and donations with no 
public funding - the WHHR  is a registered charity (number 1039817 - Welsh 
Highland Railway Ltd) I decided at the outset not to ask for a set fee for 
these events, but to ask for donations equal to the amount you would expect to 
pay if you were going to a similar ticketed event. I ask Chris Parsons to make 
the commemorative bobbins (available to those who attend) and usually have my 
patterns and a few other items on sale, with all profit/proceeds being donated 
to the railway. 

For those with partners/children in tow, there is plenty to keep them occupied 
at our railway, and there are also the two preserved railways run by our 
larger, better-known neighbours at the far end of the town, a maritime museum 
at the harbour and a beach not too far away.  Our station is opposite 
Porthmadog's main-line railway station - which is one of the reasons I started 
going there, as it is door-to-door by train from Birmingham International.

Please email me off list if you would like to join us, there is still space for 
the April weekend but I do need to know numbers as soon as possible.

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[lace] Lacemaking and music

[Tess Parrish]

I was immediately drawn to Amy Mills' comment about lace and music: "... to
make a relatively simple analogy - the pattern could easily be considered a
score, and the various stitches required to make the various parts of the
lace compared to the different values of notes, the number of stitches a
form of subdivision?"

Anyone who has read or has access to Alfred von Henneberg's book The Art and
Craft of Old Lace will find on pp 30-31
his analysis of lace construction, likening it to musical composition, and a
bit later on in the book he gives excellent examples in color describing what
he means. He was an engineer who apparently found some laces in his aunts'
attic and was fascinated with their construction.

A reprint of the original 1931 volume was recently made and is available
through one of Amazon's second-hand sellers.  Not only does it contain the
above analysis of lacemaking, but there are pages and pages of excellent
photographs of the finest laces of the period.  The book is written in several
languages. This is a classic, and worthy of being in any good lace library.

Tess Parrish (tess1...@aol.com ) in Maine USA, where
today we had our first day of summer weather: heavenly!

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Re: [lace] (Lace) Lacemaking.

[susan]

I have used this kind of thing for a couple of pieces of lace, usually bucks 
which were challengingly small and had gimps around flower sections and I 
put the glass headed colour pins in to help remind and guide me.  I also 
still use a red pin head when I walk away from my pillow, which gives you a 
very quick visual when you get back to pick up and work on.  It isn't about 
speed, just about better use of my time.  Lots of lace to make and never 
enough time for all I would love to do.
In my first year of lace learning I used to print part of my pattern really 
big and then look around it to get an idea where I think threads came from 
and where they went next, a bit like reading a map and following roads with 
marker pens.   It really helped me understand where I was going next.  Just 
adding it here to give newer lace makers a chance to try out a variety of 
ideas.

Sue T
Dorset UK

I think if you need to use a helping hand to make lace i.e. Ghost pillow. Do 
so.
It's up to the lacemaker how he or she works the Lace. Speed has nothing to 
do with it.

Enjoying what you are doing does.
I taught  a group and some ladies used the polysteryne and some did'nt. it's 
personal choice.

Happy Lacemaking
Daphne  Norfolk Uk.

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[lace] (Lace) Lacemaking.

[Daphne Martin]

I think if you need to use a helping hand to make lace i.e. Ghost pillow. Do so.
It's up to the lacemaker how he or she works the Lace. Speed has nothing to do 
with it.
Enjoying what you are doing does.
I taught  a group and some ladies used the polysteryne and some did'nt. it's 
personal choice.
Happy Lacemaking 
Daphne  Norfolk Uk.

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking in Ripon, Yorkshire, England

[Agnes Boddington]

I do have a copy of the book: the ISBN is 978-0-9547077-2-9.
It was published in 2010 by Ripon Local Studies Research Centre.
It has some historical info (with photos) about people who were either lace
makers or traders.
This part covers the 16th to 19th Century with prominent lace makers and a
lace merchant.
Then follow a number of patterns for lace edgings, very much like Bucks
Point and Beds, complete with prickings.
To be honest I have not done anything with the book, it lives with my other
lace books.
It has 91 pages.
Agnes Boddington
Elloughton UK

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[lace] Lacemaking in Ripon, Yorkshire, England

[Jeriames]

Subject has been changed so it will be easier to search in the  future.
 
It has been interesting to follow Susan Hottle's lead and search  for the 
book  "Lacemaking in Ripon. A History" by Avril W. M. Edmondson and  Mary Y. 
Moseley - a 100 page paperback, published by Ripon  Local Studies Research 
Centre in June 2010 per Amazon,  which gives a price of $160!  Another site 
says it is 91 pages.   And the Ripon Historical Society at 
http://www.riponhistoricalsociety.org.uk/publications/books/   does not offer 
the lace book.  
Was this book reviewed at the time of  publication?  I did not find anything 
in the Arachne Archives when the  title of the book was searched.  Is 
anyone else in the world trying to  capture our lace history in a facility like 
mine?  
 
A search for the two authors brought up an October 2005 note from Malvary  
about a book by Edna Sutton and Mary Moseley "Birds, Bees and Butterflies",  
which is not in my lace library inventory under their names.  I do have 3  
books by Sutton devoted to Bruges lace.  
 
This is an example of how we are losing track of people who may have had an 
 influence on the revival of lace techniques and researched history in  
out-of-the-way communities during the 21st century.  If the information  given 
above is correct, it is only 7 years since this little book was  published!  
Will knowledge of lace made in Ripon fade away?  Does  anyone outside of 
the U.K. have this book?
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

 
In a message dated 8/4/2017 9:46:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
hottl...@neo.rr.com writes:

Hello  All!  Now that Polish lace is out of the way & our display is on  
exhibit, it's time to work on Scotland for next month's installation. I just  
finished an adorable little Ripon lace edging that Jean Leader interpreted  
from an old encyclopedia.  It was published in Lace & I found it at  Cornell 
University library last year.  I will post a pic of the lace to  Arachne 
Flickr.  If anyone would like the pattern, I will scan it &  send as I can't 
find the issue/page info at the moment.  I didn't have  80/2 gassed cotton so 
used DMC broder machine 50.  The design is very  sweet & would look great 
as an edging on cotton lawn--light & airy for  summer. Sincerely, Susan 
Hottle USA  

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking - Eye Surgery Seems Successful

[Jeriames]

First, let me thank you all for your concern in connection with my eye  
surgery for a cataract and astigmatism on Thursday.  I did not think  you'd see 
the footnote in a note I sent about young people who make lace.   I take 
medical issues lightly.  Years ago, I had successful Lasik  surgery on both 
eyes - one for reading and one for distance.  Now, my  reading 
(close-distance) eye needed tweeking.  The most painful part was  paying $1,500 
for the 
implant to replace my natural lens!  (Could buy a lot  of lace books.)  
Cataract covered by insurance, but not the  lens.  I stayed in a hotel near the 
eye 
hospital, was checked Friday  morning, and drove home.  No pain.  Today's 
vision is better than  yesterday's.  
 
Being a Girl Scout, I wanted to take care of blurred vision problems in  
preparation for going to the Belgian lace celebration in 2018 - the  100th 
anniversary after the end of World War I.  I expect there will  be an 
acknowledgement of how lacemakers were saved from starvation  during the war by 
the 
Commission for Relief in Belgium, headed by Herbert C.  Hoover, who later was 
elected President of the U.S.
 
The address Devon gave yesterday is most inspiring.  I'll be  giving the 
Brooklyn group an invitation to contact me if they are  having difficulties 
finding lace books and things like that, because I belonged  to their 
predecessor - The Lace Guild of New York.  This became my  lace foundation, and 
you 
have all benefited from my  sharing lecture information from Helene von 
Rosenstiel, who was a  Brooklyn lace conservator with a museum clientele.  She 
would arrive via  subway at meetings dragging a huge plastic bag full of 
distressed  laces.  Then, she would tell us how they came to be that way, and 
what  would be necessary to save - or often be unable to save - them.  
 
One young lacemaker Devon is encouraging mentioned enrolling  in an FIT 
textile conservation program.  I found there were  museum lectures about 
conserving and restoring textiles/embroideries/tapestries,  but not much about 
lace.  Perhaps it will be possible to prop up this  student with some 
experience and a bibliography, since I have collected books  (both good and 
bad) on 
the subject.  It can be very frustrating  to a young person when she is 
trying to learn something obscure about  lace.  It is what we on Arachne have 
been somewhat able to  overcome.  Please share lace knowledge with the young.  
The  address from Devon:
 
http://textileartscenter.com/blog/brooklyn-based-artists-launch-nyc-lace-gui
ld/ 
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
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In fact,  there is an uprising in interest among the millennials in 
Brooklyn.
...the  Brooklyn Lace Guild is attracting
young women who are for the most part  graduates of the art and design 
schools
in New York and work in creative  jobs. 

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking

[Lorelei Halley]

This is the part of the article I enjoyed the most --
"  I eventually discovered that there was a lace school and annual festival
in Idrija, Slovenia. I barely knew where that was on a map but I booked a
ticket there in 2012 for the lace festival, and I discovered that there was
an entire universe of lacemakers scattered in little pockets of the world."
And, of course, the reference to Devon.
Lorelei

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking

[devonthein]

Nancy, I love the idea of “off fabric embroidery”, although a different
way to go with this is that needle lace is “looping”, a form of which goes
back to the earliest human ancestors.
The entire word “lace” is becoming confusing in regard to what we do. It
implies something to the public that is white and has holes, regardless of the
substance that is used to make it, like wrought iron lace, for the metal work
on balconies, or ceramic lace for ceramic that is white with holes. Meanwhile,
I see it in terms of a textile structure, and which is frequently not white.
So, I may point to a piece of Lauran Sundin’s work, or Ros Hills work and
call it lace, whereas a normal person will then respond, “where is the
lace?” This is an issue with the contemporary lace exhibit that I am
proposing. I am trying to write a proposal for a show featuring contemporary
art made in bobbin or needle lace techniques. But, for one thing, bobbin and
needle lace techniques have nothing in common, other than being refined
textile techniques, if you do not reference their historical convergence in
luxury white neckwear.
Devon

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking

[devonthein]

In fact, there is an uprising in interest among the millennials in Brooklyn.
Whereas I am used to being the youngest member of many a lace group, I am
undoubtedly the oldest member of the Brooklyn Lace Guild which is attracting
young women who are for the most part graduates of the art and design schools
in New York and work in creative jobs. Check this out
http://textileartscenter.com/blog/brooklyn-based-artists-launch-nyc-lace-guil
d/

Devon

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking

[Karen ZM]

I was only 19 when I started to learn lacemaking. As many of you probably
know, our traditional Maltese pillow is a long, upright, bolster sort of
pillow (perhaps like a roughly rolled cigar). I used to put this into a
long bag and strap it to my back to ride on my little motorcycle to my
lessons. Whenever I met a friend on the way, they would ask what strange
thing I was carrying and whenever I replied that it was a Bobbin lace
pillow, the retort always was, "But you're too young to work lace!!!"

Nobody says that any more since I am now 54 🙂

Karen in Malta

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking

[Jeriames]

Dear Ann,
 
You can always look to see what The Lace Guild in England is offering to  
children - on their website.  And, I am sure they would appreciate  patterns, 
supplies, teachers - for the publications produced for their  use.
 
Sometimes our members do not appreciate how important all forms of public  
relations are.  I loved the story from South Africa about taking  lacemaking 
supplies to India.  You do not have to look very far to  see opportunities 
to "sing" about lace.  We Arachnes are a small group  in relationship to the 
world's population, and all of us need to...paste on  smiles and wear laces 
daily.  I do.  And they  always "break the ice" (which loosely means 
silence is broken and a  positive conversation is begun - for those of you do 
not 
have a Winter  season).  Happened just yesterday in the long line at the 
post  office.  I was wearing a "corsage" of 3 colorful lace flowers on  my coat 
- from Czech Republic, Turkey, and Germany.  (Ilske - please note;  the 
German one was made by you.)
 
It is early morning here, and I'm off to cataract and astigmatism surgeries 
 on one eye 60 miles from home.  Even today, I'll be promoting lace in some 
 way or other by wearing it.  Everyone:  Try it.
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center

 
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ann.humphr...@talktalk.net writes:

I told a  new acquaintance that I made lace. Lace making is for old ladies 
she replied.  If young people feel that way the art of lacemaking will 
disappear.  
Ann
UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking

[Robin Asman]

I belong to a local spinning and weaving group and justify any lace making
I do there as 'weaving with sticks'.  I only do bobbin lace and think this
is a very relevant definition

Robin from Australia

First time I've done a reply so hope I've done it right

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 7:38 AM, Nancy Neff  wrote:

> Devon -- I think "off-loom weaving" would correctly apply to only bobbin
> lace, since needlelace is a form of "off-fabric embroidery" rather than
> weaving, no?
>
> This could start another round of definition discussions!
>
> Nancy
> Connecticut
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> > Next time use the term "off loom weaving".
> > Devon
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking

[Nancy Neff]

Devon -- I think "off-loom weaving" would correctly apply to only bobbin
lace, since needlelace is a form of "off-fabric embroidery" rather than
weaving, no?

This could start another round of definition discussions!

Nancy
Connecticut

On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Devon Thein  wrote:

> Next time use the term "off loom weaving".
> Devon
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking

[Devon Thein]

Next time use the term "off loom weaving".
Devon


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[lace] Lacemaking

[ann.humphreys]

I told a new acquaintance that I made lace. Lace making is for old ladies she 
replied. If young people feel that way the art of lacemaking will disappear. 
Ann
UK

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[lace] lacemaking methods

[Carolinadgg]

Thanks Antje.
This is a very clarifying explanation, as sometimes different lacemaking 
methods with similar results lead to confusion. It is important to understand , 
 the how and why teachers  make things in one or another way. 
In this case for practical reasons according with used pillows.


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[lace] Lacemaking Russian nesting dolls.

[karpap]

Hi Gals,

Back in the early part of 2014 someone posted a picture of a set of three, blue 
and
white painted lacemaking Russian nesting dolls.  I have been looking for a set 
of
simular dolls ever since with no luck.  I'm hoping that person is on this list 
and can
tell me where this set was purchased or any information they may have on these.
Thanks in advance.
Patsy A. Goodman
kar...@cox.net


--
Women are Angels. And when someone breaks our wings  
We simply continue to fly  
On a broomstick. 
We are flexible like that. 
--
Patsy A. Goodman
AKA Queen Tat Pat
Red Hat Tatters
Treas. Chula Bobbin Lacers
Chula Vista, CA, USA

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[lace] Lacemaking on BBC

[Christine Lardner]

Yesterday I was filmed by the BBC making lace, for an episode of Celebrity 
Antiques Road Trip. Presenters James Braxton and Lesley Joseph were looking 
around Waddesdon Manor, and they were also shown some antique lace. They then 
watched me working, and Lesley had a go! She grasped it very quickly and worked 
a couple of rows. It was great fun and hopefully the BBC will include more 
footage than the few seconds of Lacemaking they showed on Country file earlier 
this month!
The program is due to be broadcast next spring.
Christine Lardner (Oxford UK)

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking on BBC

[Hazel Smith]

Christine, at this rate you'll be getting really famous. We'll all be asking 
for your autograph (vbg)!  Presumably the BBC now have you on file as their 
go-to expert for lacemaking. Good for you - and good for all of us, really.
Will look out for the programme

Hazel Smith (Cricklade, UK)

On Sat, 28/6/14, Christine Lardner christinelard...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Subject: [lace] Lacemaking on BBC
 To: lace@arachne.com
 Date: Saturday, 28 June, 2014, 7:48
 
 Yesterday I was filmed by the BBC
 making lace, for an episode of Celebrity Antiques Road Trip.
 Presenters James Braxton and Lesley Joseph were looking
 around Waddesdon Manor, and they were also shown some
 antique lace. They then watched me working, and Lesley had a
 go! She grasped it very quickly and worked a couple of rows.
 It was great fun and hopefully the BBC will include more
 footage than the few seconds of Lacemaking they showed on
 Country file earlier this month!
 The program is due to be broadcast next spring.
 Christine Lardner (Oxford UK)
 
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking on BBC

[Sue]

Thank you Christine, looking forward to seeing that, will need to keep my 
eyes open for it.  i agree it would be really good to see a little more of 
the lace making than in some programs.

Sue T
Dorset UK


Yesterday I was filmed by the BBC making lace, for an episode of Celebrity 
Antiques Road Trip. Presenters James Braxton and Lesley Joseph were looking 
around Waddesdon Manor, and they were also shown some antique lace. They 
then watched me working, and Lesley had a go! She grasped it very quickly 
and worked a couple of rows. It was great fun and hopefully the BBC will 
include more footage than the few seconds of Lacemaking they showed on 
Country file earlier this month!

The program is due to be broadcast next spring.
Christine Lardner (Oxford UK)

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[lace] Lacemaking on BBC

[Jane Partridge]

This was probably just a case of Christine being in the right place at 
the right time. When they were asking for a demonstrator last time they 
contacted The Lace Guild as well as the Lace Society, giving only two 
day's clear notice, which is why the Guild didn't get a chance to ask 
any of the more local lacemakers (in case anyone was wondering - no 
offence to Christine, she did a marvellous job). In fact, we didn't know 
they'd asked the Society as well! It made me wonder if they'd asked 
around their own staff - when I was working for them (in Birmingham) 
back in the 1970-80s I knew of three of us (I was on the staff, the 
other two engineers' wives) in the Engineering Dept who made lace, and 
I'm certain we would have found more if we'd asked the question - 
especially as I later went on to do my CG lacemaking alongside a former 
BBC costume designer (Carol was doing her Part 2 whilst I was doing Part 
1).


In those days urgent messages to staff (like when they were desperate 
for audiences for shows!) were broadcast on an in-house teletext system, 
with a monitor tuned in to it in various places around the building. 
These days I expect it is all done by email.


In message 
1403944899.59279.yahoomailba...@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com, Hazel 
Smith hazel_twiggy_sm...@yahoo.com writes
Presumably the BBC now have you on file as their go-to expert for 
lacemaking.

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking on BBC

[The Lace Bee]

Oohs, I can say that I knew you when you were merely chief bobbin of the ISIS 
lace group.  Oh the prestige to hang out with a celebrity.

L

PS anything which gets lacemaking and hand made crafts on TV wins my vote.  So 
pleased that which ever production company made this had the foresight to 
include someone who is not only talented in lacemaking, has a fantastic way 
about them in their teaching and who comes over so well when talking to people. 
 Really positive

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 Yesterday I was filmed by the BBC making lace, for an episode of Celebrity 
 Antiques Road Trip. 
 The program is due to be broadcast next spring.
 Christine Lardner (Oxford 

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking on Countryfile (hopefully)

[Sue Harvey]

Put that in my diary to watch, thanks for the information.
Sue M  Harvey
Norfolk
U.K.

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[lace] Lacemaking on Countryfile (hopefully)

[Christine Lardner]

Yesterday, I spent a very exciting day with 2 friends, Eileen and Jan, being
filmed making lace for Countryfile. We are members of Isis lacemakers, and
were asked at very short notice by The Lace Society if we could attend. Of
course, any other plans (such as work) for that day were cancelled! It was a
lovely sunny day and we were given just a few minutes to set up a display on a
picnic table! We were then filmed making lace. We were not interviewed on
camera, but got to meet the lovely John Craven, and also spotted Ellie
Harrison, who I've always thought a pretty girl; believe me, in the flesh she
is quite a beauty.
We were part of a feature on boxwood and its uses, and had been asked to bring
along boxwood bobbins. Also featured were a wood turner using a bow lathe, and
musicians playing boxwood wind instruments.
The BBC crew were so nice, everything was so calm and laid back.
So, look out for Countryfile on 1st June BBC1. As it usually pulls in an
audience of around 6 million, we could be seen by a lot of people (potential
lacemakers??). Hopefully there will be more than a fleeting glance, but even
if we end up on the cutting room floor we had a great time!
Christine Lardner (Oxford UK)

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking on Countryfile (hopefully)

[Sue]

Looking forward to seeing that Christine.
Sue T
Dorset UK

Yesterday, I spent a very exciting day with 2 friends, Eileen and Jan, being
filmed making lace for Countryfile. We are members of Isis lacemakers, and
were asked at very short notice by The Lace Society if we could attend. Of
course, any other plans (such as work) for that day were cancelled! It was a
lovely sunny day and we were given just a few minutes to set up a display on 
a

picnic table! We were then filmed making lace. We were not interviewed on
camera, but got to meet the lovely John Craven, and also spotted Ellie
Harrison, who I've always thought a pretty girl; believe me, in the flesh 
she

is quite a beauty.
We were part of a feature on boxwood and its uses, and had been asked to 
bring
along boxwood bobbins. Also featured were a wood turner using a bow lathe, 
and

musicians playing boxwood wind instruments.
The BBC crew were so nice, everything was so calm and laid back.
So, look out for Countryfile on 1st June BBC1. As it usually pulls in an
audience of around 6 million, we could be seen by a lot of people (potential
lacemakers??). Hopefully there will be more than a fleeting glance, but even
if we end up on the cutting room floor we had a great time!
Christine Lardner (Oxford UK)

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[lace] Lacemaking groups in the west of the UK

[celia mulhearn]

We are in the midst of househunting in Weston-Super-Mare and the Burnham on Sea 
areas of the UK and I was wondering if anyone knows of any Lace groups down 
this way. I am currently a member of Bromley Lacemakers in greater London area 
but feel it may be a little to far to travel to meetings. I am looking forward 
to any information you may have.
I did bring my lace to do whilst house hunting (trying my hand at a Flanders 
Lace edging) but have not had the time nor been awake long enough to make any 
lace.. Not sure if it's the house hunting or the country air that is 
wearing me out :-)
Best Wishes
Celia, currently in Weston but live in Plumstead near Greenwich Uk.

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[lace] Lacemaking surroundings

[Lyn Bailey]

For years I had to concentrate completely on my lace when making it, but now 
that time is mostly over.  I am taking a break from the altar cloth, with 60 
inches done and 74 to go, but ended up with another tedious project, my flag 
for the T shirt, which had inches of very wide plain linen stitch.  May not 
even be lace, although it looks great on the shirt.  Once the pattern is 
more or less learned, I like to listen to books to avoid tedium.  If the 
pattern is a bit of a challenge, I like a book I've already read or listened 
to, if not, it doesn't matter.  Helps for things like yardage.


I also like to make lace in beautiful places.  By the sea, or a lake, or in 
a forest.  We didn't buy the house, we bought the view, which overlooks the 
Conestoga River(actually a creek) with deer and the occasional eagle.  I 
love to make lace by the sliding glass door and watch the dawn in winter. 
In summer that's just a bit too early.  It somehow enhances the whole thing. 
Perhaps it's enhancing the soul, and that goes into the lace being made.


Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the first rain is over, and more 
is to come.  A good day to wash the Newfoundland dog. 


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[lace] lacemaking in Croatia

[Lorelei Halley]

Ilske
Thanks for the information about the catalog, with publisher and date.  I'll
follow through.
Lorelei

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[lace] lacemaking in Croatia

[Lorelei Halley]

Mary
I did find a number of videos on youtube, not very many.  They are not really
instructions, mostly just pictures of the laces.  You can find the links I
know about on the Pag page of needlelacetalk.
http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/group/pagneedlelace

If anyone comes across a site I don't know about, please tell me.

Annette
Thanks for the information about the OIDFA conference coming up in Slovenia.
That is the best concrete news I've had in some time.  One of our members in
Prague may actually be able to go.
Lorelei Halley

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Croatia

[Barbara Engle.]

Oh David...this is wonderful. Thank you so much.
Smiles. 
BarbE 
Texas, USA.

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 this youtube video is really worth a look
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMHTNeUDrI
 
 Enjoy
 David in Ballarat, AUS
 
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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Croatia

[Lesley Blackshaw]

Thank you for sharing that, David.  When I was in Korcula in Croatia 
recently I saw quite a lot of lace on display in the Barilo Folk Museum 
in Blato.  I took quite a few photos but as the displays were behind 
glass not many of the photos came out very well.  There are a few in my 
flikr pages 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28840295@N08/8112999343/in/photostream/ but 
I must apologise for the awful quality of the photos.


Lesley
Marple, Cheshire, UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Croatia

[Vicki Bradford]

Thanks, David!  That was very interesting.  Has anyone ever heard of 
Aloe fiber use before?  That is what they were using for the 
tenerife-like lace from Hvar. It looked like they pulled it from the 
stalk, rather like when stringing celery...(??)  I wonder what, if any, 
processing takes place before it is used as thread?  Does anyone know?


Vicki in unseasonably balmy Maryland

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Dear Friends,]
this youtube video is really worth a look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuMHTNeUDrI

Enjoy
David in Ballarat, AUS

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[lace] lacemaking blindness

[Alex Stillwell]

Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 13:16:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: dmt11h...@aol.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Lace making and blindness

When and where did lacemakers work 14 hours a day and what is  your source
for that?

Devon

Hi Arachnids

Valerie Harris, who wrote the book The Lavendon Collection of Bobbin Lace
Patterns, told me about her two aunts whe were commmissioned to make a piece
of lace for a Royal occasion. The lace was worked continually 24 hours a day
get it finished in time, averaging 12 hours per day each. It is not a stretch
of the imagination to take this to 14 hours per day if you need the money to
live and you are an elderly person in a family without many other duties.

I love my lacemaking but 14 hours a day might become too much.

Keep lacemaking

alex

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Re: [lace] lacemaking blindness

[Ilske Thomsen]

Dear Devon and All,
all I read in German and partly English written books and articles the question 
of becoming blind by doing bobbin lace wasn't there so important as it is now 
on our list. There are meanings that it happened but there are other who deny 
this.
Here in Germany a lot of people have the meaning that most lacemakers from 
former time had become blind but I remember a few persons who said this isn't 
true.
I knew some people who used such a lacemaker lamp and told me that this lamp 
give a lot of light.
This is again a question we will not get a 100% sure answer. A few of us 
mentioned that from doing bobbin lace eyes didn't become blind which my 
ophthalmologist confirm but if we don't sit in a correct position and if we 
stare during working our eyes and muscles suffer. And when this situation 
happens day for day we will damage our body partly.
Hoping all arachneans living in the part of the world where this storm is doing 
its damages are sure.
I must switch off my radio set because I see New York before my eyes and 
knowing Devon lives nearby makes me worried.
I wish all of you all the best.

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Spain

[Carolina de la Guardia]

Hi Laurie and all,

I fondly remember your trip to Barcelona and our visit to the Mares 
Museum in Arenys. Glad that you enjoyed it.


You have described very well our encuentros  -lace events- in Spain,
and not only take place in March and April, but from March to November 
all week ends, Saturday or Sunday. All over the country. usually from 
10.00h to 13.00 or sometimes up to 16.00h.


In Argentina there are several lace guilds all over the country and we 
have an special relationship with the Catalonian House in Rosario, which 
develops a great lace activity, organizing a demonstration every year.


The Catalonian lace Guild -ACP-, was the organizer of the XXV Diada in 
Arenys this year. If you like to take a look to the page hung by the 
ACP, there are some pictures and videos of the event.


http://www.puntaires.com/en/diada.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=9GwpB8MUQN4vq=mediumt=219

And...I can confirm that next year the Diada will take place in 
Barcelona, perhaps you would like to come and see us. if so, note in 
your calendar the date: the 26nth May 2013.


Kind regards.

Carolina. Barcelona. Spain.

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Carolina de la Guardia
http://www.carolgallego.com


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[lace] Lacemaking in Spain

[Laurie Waters]

There were so many lace days in Spain in April, 40 that I listed on the
LaceNews events calendar http://lacenews.net/lace-event-calendars/.  The
number peaked on April 22nd when in addition to the 10 I had listed, there
were 14 additional ones that I just couldn't fit on the calendar!  Each one
attracts several hundred to several thousand lacemakers. The Arenys de Mar
event appears to be the largest, attracting over 3000 lacemakers, and this
year had 3 associated exhibitions. Carolina kindly took me to the museum there
not long ago
http://lacenews.net/2010/11/21/museums-museu-mares-de-la-punta-arenys-de-mar-
spain/, which is very impressive.
In contrast to England and America, most Spanish lace events (the main word
used to describe these is 'Encuentro', but there are others in Catalan and
Galician), are held on Sundays, and largely peak in March and April. Most are
sponsored with the help of the local municipal authorities, and there seems to
be a fairly consistent agenda - welcome, demonstrations, some kind of lunch,
more demos, and a group dinner afterward. Although it can get much more
complex.
Lacemaking in Spain is truely impressive, and we need to pay much more
attention to it. Look at this video http://tinyurl.com/87lzhr4, which shows
professional lacemakers in Camariñas in Galicia. There is a huge 5 day annual
event in Camariñas promting the use of the local lace in fashion. I'm adding
lots of videos from this  year's event to the April LaceNews YouTube Channel
update.
I'm hoping that here in New Mexico we can get more exposure for Spanish
lacemaking in the US, afterall, official documents in New Mexico are all in
English and Spanish. The Spanish first settled in the US only 40 miles from
where I live, and the dialect they speak around here traces back to the
conquistadors.  Spanish lacemaking techniques also emigrated to Argentina, and
videos on their events are starting to show up on YouTube.
Laurie
http://lacenews.net

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Spain

[Malvary Cole]

Jacquie and I were at the Lace Event in Camariñas again this year - this 
time as exhibitors.  Last year we were visitors but had nowhere to 'call our 
own' space and had to find little corners to sit and make lace.  We were 
surprised at how many people told us that they didn't know that there was 
lace made in England.  We made enquiries as to if and how we could be there 
with a booth for this year.


We had an exhibit of most, if not all, of the different types of lace made 
in England.  We had photos of one or two types where we didn't actually have 
a sample.


We had our English lace pillows and I made a Malmesbury bookmark (for my 
bookmark exchange) and Jacquie worked on a piece of Bedfordshire.  It is 
interesting how similar the Bedfordshire and the local Galician lace are. 
The main difference is the weight of the thread.  People are very interested 
to see our English bobbins with all the spangles.


I will go back in a heart-beat if I get the chance.

Malvary in Ottawa where spring has sprung, the grass is riz.

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[lace] Lacemaking in Tignes

[Lynne Cumming]

I've just spent a week high in the French Alps and was lucky enough to come
across a French lacemaker demonstrating at a Mountain Festival in Tignes.
Unfortunately my French has been hard hit by spending time in Austria
attempting to use German and the lady had little English but I hope she
understood that I was a fellow lacemaker. She assured me that the gorgeous
chunky bobbins she was working with were specific to Tignes as well as the
hooped pillows she was working on. There was also an exhibition on the
development of Tignes as a ski resort due to the downturns of the late C19th
and early C20th when the population headed away from the high valleys and
farming and other industries such as lacemaking. I was delighted to see a
picture of the 'dentellieres' and have included it in my slideshow of the
lacemaker and her pillows and bobbins on webshots. Please see the link to
have a little look. 

I won't bore you with the alpine flowers, the wonderful views, the videos of
the cows parading up the street and the folkdancers - let alone the high
divers jumping from a helicopter into an icy lake! However, in due course
those may well make it to another album.

Enjoy!

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/slideshow/580711262bzJKdr

Lynne

Lynne Cumming, back in cold, wet Baldock, North Herts UK

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Tignes

[Clay Blackwell]

Thanks Lynne, for sharing the photos!  What a nice thing to see on your 
holiday.  I love those bobbins!  I have a few of them - old ones found 
on eBay - and I think it would be fun to work with them in the way they 
were designed to be used.


Clay

Clay Blackwell
Lynchburg, VA  USA

On 8/11/2011 10:00 AM, Lynne Cumming wrote:

I've just spent a week high in the French Alps /snip/

http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/slideshow/580711262bzJKdr

Lynne

Lynne Cumming, back in cold, wet Baldock, North Herts UK



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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Tignes

[sof]

Hello Lynne,

Thank you for the photos. Yes, bobins, pillow and pricking on your 
photos are specific of Tignes.

Have a look : http://lace.lacefairy.com/Lace/International/TIGNESFr.html


There is a lacemaker group near Tignes. Sometimes they come on 
lacemeeting : Have a look to pictures 1 and 2 : 
http://www.lesdiversespassionsdejosi.com/article-les-clubs-exposants-au-couvige-de-crolles-69928802.html
and here :
http://www.dentellieres.com/Reportage/R2008/Saint-etienne-du-bois/StEtienneduBois2.htm

Dentelez bien

Sof in France


Le 11/08/2011 16:00, Lynne Cumming a écrit :
 I've just spent a week high in the French Alps and was lucky enough to come
 across a French lacemaker demonstrating at a Mountain Festival in Tignes.
 Unfortunately my French has been hard hit by spending time in Austria
 attempting to use German and the lady had little English but I hope she
 understood that I was a fellow lacemaker. She assured me that the gorgeous
 chunky bobbins she was working with were specific to Tignes as well as the
 hooped pillows she was working on. There was also an exhibition on the
 development of Tignes as a ski resort due to the downturns of the late C19th
 and early C20th when the population headed away from the high valleys and
 farming and other industries such as lacemaking. I was delighted to see a
 picture of the 'dentellieres' and have included it in my slideshow of the
 lacemaker and her pillows and bobbins on webshots. Please see the link to
 have a little look.

 I won't bore you with the alpine flowers, the wonderful views, the videos of
 the cows parading up the street and the folkdancers - let alone the high
 divers jumping from a helicopter into an icy lake! However, in due course
 those may well make it to another album.

 Enjoy!

 http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/slideshow/580711262bzJKdr

 Lynne

 Lynne Cumming, back in cold, wet Baldock, North Herts UK

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[lace] lacemaking dog

[lacelady]

I was exploring a website previously mentioned, and found this:
http://www.amicideltombolo.it/03chisiamo/chisiamo.htm
Scroll down six pictures.

After perusing this page, click on Pizzi Antichi for some nice laces.

Alice in Oregon -- with a dry, though foggy, day

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[lace] Lacemaking Honours - MBE

[Sue Eddy]

Happy New Year!!
 
Just to add to the discussion Mrs Susanne Thompson, authoress of Introduction
To Honiton Lace, Further Steps in Honiton Lace and Torchon Purse
Pendants,received her MBE For services to Lacemaking in the New years Honours
List 2004. A very well deserved honour for a wonderful lacemaker, teacher and
human being.
 
Kindest regards,
Sue Eddy.
Cornwall UK.

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[lace] 'Lacemaking' is here.

[Laceandbits]

Still no sign of 'Lace' but 'Lacemaking', the Lace Society Newletter, 
arrived this morning.

Among the patterns included is a Honiton one from the Lace Society 
collection, and I can see part of it would easily adapt to make an excellent 
Milanese lace design.  And an interesting article by Jenny Hudson about Kath 
and 
Mollie's lace.  I was interested to read this and the connection to Pat Read 
as it was at the Swanley Lace Day two (or maybe three) years ago that Graham 
Hudson did the talk and one of the topice was his aunts, Kath and Mollie, 
and the Pat Read realised that she knew who he was talking about.

Jacquie in Lincolnshire.

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking Day

[lynrbailey]

   I like to take my lace with me on vacation.  I have a project for travel, on 
an ethafoam pillow, one that preferably fits in a backpack, certainly in a 
suitcase.  I find that whilst on vacation, I have the chunk of time I prefer to 
actually sit down and make lace.  I have done lace by the pool on a cruise 
ship, especially nice, but don't get a tall gin and tonic, as you'll make 
mistakes.
 I also took my lace whilst camping at Acadia National Park in Maine, US, 
where I took pictures of all the places I made lace, and breathtakingly 
beautiful they are, too.  Also one on the Common in Bar Harbor, where I have a 
picture of a man taking a picture of me making lace.  If you want to raise 
consciousness about making lace, a very important concept in the US, where you 
also need a small sign saying, This is NOT tatting, doing it on vacation, in 
leisure places where people have the time to stop and ask questions is very 
efficient.  One man thought I was tying flies for fishing.  I find there is 
something special about making lace in special places.  The only drawback is 
that you don't get much lacemaking done, unless you're in a secluded spot, like 
the bottom of Long Pond in Acadia National Park, where there are few people.  I 
will never forget that beautiful afternoon.  lrb


-Original Message-
From: lacel...@verizon.net
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To: 
Cc: lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] Re: (Inter) National Lacemaking Day

 National Lacemaking Day sounds neathowever, my inquiries show the
National referred to is UK.

Isn't it about time that it's changed to International Lacemaking Day? 
Anyone know how that can be done?

By the way, after doing your lacemaking in public to celebrate National
Lacemaking Day on Sept 11, wait a couple days and celebrate on Sept 13
with International Chocolate Day.

Alice in Oregon

Jul 26, 2010 09:49:19 AM, jpartri...@pebble.demon.co.uk wrote:

 A while back we were talking about making lace at railway stations,
  and I mentioned the idea of Making Lace on the Train (or in the
  museum)for National Lacemaking Day

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[lace] lacemaking demo in Williamsburg VA

[d2oneill]

Clay Blackwell writes indicates that there has never been any archival 
indication of the existence of lacemaking in Williamsburg during that time, and 
therefore there is never any demonstration of the art of lacemaking in the 
historical village...When I visited Williamsburg in February 1995, a bobbin 
lacemaker was demonstrating lacemaking in front of a big display of lace in one 
of the historic buildings . I wish I had kept the name of the lacemaker, but I 
did not. 
Doris O'Neill, Chicago area. 


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[lace] Lacemaking at the train station

[Jane Partridge]

In message 630796.79977...@web81701.mail.mud.yahoo.com, Janice Blair 
jbl...@sbcglobal.net writes
Today I went downtown Chicago on the train along with a group of 
knitters.  We worked on the train knitting, but I did needlelace.


Totally unaware of the significance of the day, yesterday I had arranged 
to take one of the other members of our knitting group over to the 
narrow gauge railway in North Wales (where I work as a volunteer 
shedmaster - nothing glamorous, roughly translates to showing passengers 
round the museum and doing housework between trains!). This involved 
getting trains from Birmingham to Porthmadog and back - four and a half 
hours each way, so we took our knitting to do on the train. Lydia was 
working on squares for a baby blanket (as a group, we knit for a local 
hospital) and I managed to finish one sleeve and start the other of a 
cardigan I'm knitting for my granddaughter.


I'm now wondering whether there would be sufficient interest amongst the 
North Wales lacemakers to join me in a make lace on the train day at 
the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway, Porthmadog on National Lacemaking 
Day (September 11th) - are any there Arachnes living in that area?

--
Jane Partridge

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking at the train station

[Lesley Blackshaw]

Jane Partridge wrote:
I'm now wondering whether there would be sufficient interest amongst the 
North Wales lacemakers to join me in a make lace on the train day at 
the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway, Porthmadog on National Lacemaking 
Day (September 11th) - are any there Arachnes living in that area?


I'mnot in the immediate area - about 2 hours away, but it does sound like a 
fun day, and if I can persuade DH to make a day of it, it might be possible.


Lesley

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[lace] Lacemaking at the train station

[Janice Blair]

Today I went downtown Chicago on the train along with a group of knitters.  We 
worked on the train knitting, but I did needlelace.  We met a Chicago knitting 
group at the French Market and sat and worked, in my case for about 4 hours 
before I caught the train back home.  This time I knitted going home.  I caused 
quite a bit of interest at the market with my needlelace. Everyone was 
impressed with the portability.  I think the group probably numbered about 35 
of us all working and talking up a storm.  I had no idea the French Market even 
existed.  It is under the Ogilvy station and you could hear the trains rumbling 
overhead while we worked.  I had to treat myself to a French crepe and told 
myself it was good for me as it was made with wholewheat flour.  Next time I 
will shop for food and maybe the cheese stall will have some Lancashire cheese 
in stock.  The Belgian fries were popular with the knitters.
Janice
 Janice Blair
Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA
www.jblace.com
http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind

[Elizabeth Pass]

This is no lacemaking object.  It's a child's puzzle.  I bought one for my
children many years ago but it was made of wood.  The idea is that you have
to get both beads together on the same part of the string.  Oh yes, it can
be done ( if you have an hour or two to spare.)  I can't find it at the
moment or I would scan it.  However there is a similar one (not exactly the
same)  on this website - right at the bottom of the page.

Liz Pass
In Poole, UK where it's raining gently so I won't need to water the pots in
the garden.

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From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of
Jean Nathan
Sent: 01 June 2010 09:19
To: Lace
Subject: [lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind


Maxine - you forgot to put a subject in, but wrote:

Here is another lace making tool that boggles the mind.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=293891288

I notice that the seller says:

SOME OF THE ITEMS IN THIS AND THE OTHER ADVERTISED LOTS ARE DETAILED IN THE

REFERENCE BOOK ANTIQUE NEEDLEWORK TOOLS BY NERYLLA TAUNTON

He/she says Some of the items in THIS, so presumably the item is described

in the book mentioned. Has anyone got this book, and can tell us what 
Nerylla Taunton says this item is used for?

Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind

[Eve Morton]

I have the book and there is nothing like it in there that I noticed on 
a quick flick through the pages. Some of this person's other listings, 
lace bobbins and netting tools, are referenced to Nerylla Tauton's book 
 and the sewing box has the same phrase, see


http://tinyurl.com/34b84z8

I think that it might refer to the bobble makers mentioned in the 
listing, did they mean the two rings hanging on the string/thread? No 
reference to bobble makers in the index of the book though.


Eve
Poole, Dorset, UK

Jean Nathan wrote:


I notice that the seller says:

SOME OF THE ITEMS IN THIS AND THE OTHER ADVERTISED LOTS ARE DETAILED IN 
THE REFERENCE BOOK ANTIQUE NEEDLEWORK TOOLS BY NERYLLA TAUNTON


He/she says Some of the items in THIS, so presumably the item is 
described in the book mentioned.


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RE: [lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind

[Elizabeth Pass]

I sent this yesterday but for some reason it didn't arrive.



This is no lacemaking object.  It's a child's puzzle.  I bought one for my
children many years ago but it was made of wood.  The idea is that you have
to get both beads together on the same part of the string.  Oh yes, it can
be done ( if you have an hour or two to spare.)  I can't find it at the
moment or I would scan it.  However there is a similar one (not exactly the
same).  

http://tinyurl.com/39grozn

Liz Pass

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind

[Sue Babbs]

I didn't see the original message arrive in my mailbox either. The first I 
knew of it was when I saw a response.


I noticed that the original was sent to lace-digest (which I'm not signed up 
for). Is that what you replied to, Liz?


Avital, is there some strange arrangement where messages sent to digest 
don't reach the rest of us?

Sue
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'Jean Nathan' j...@nathan54.freeserve.co.uk

Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:21 AM
Subject: RE: [lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind



I sent this yesterday but for some reason it didn't arrive.



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[lace] Lacemaking tool that boggles the mind

[Jean Nathan]

Maxine - you forgot to put a subject in, but wrote:

Here is another lace making tool that boggles the mind.
http://www.trademe.co.nz/a.aspx?id=293891288

I notice that the seller says:

SOME OF THE ITEMS IN THIS AND THE OTHER ADVERTISED LOTS ARE DETAILED IN THE 
REFERENCE BOOK ANTIQUE NEEDLEWORK TOOLS BY NERYLLA TAUNTON


He/she says Some of the items in THIS, so presumably the item is described 
in the book mentioned. Has anyone got this book, and can tell us what 
Nerylla Taunton says this item is used for?


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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RE: [lace] Lacemaking group wanted

[Jo]

http://lace.lacefairy.com/Lace/Map/
lists a honiton tutor in Wellington, she might know more

Jo

 Does anyone know of a lacemaking group in the Tiverton UK 
 area that I might be able to join?

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[lace] Lacemaking group wanted

[diane]

Does anyone know of a lacemaking group in the Tiverton UK area that I might be 
able to join?  I have recently moved here and would like to take up my 
lacemaking again.
Thanks

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking in Norway? Comprehensive reply.

[Jeriames]

Dear Mark,
 
There IS information available.  I recommend the same research  techniques 
you used when in school/university.
 
1.  I took the lead from Sally's replies and searched Ernst  Ziesler.  
Google does the language translation for you.  The second  entry is a lace 
article from Bunad that prints out to 9 pages - in  color!  You will want to 
print and keep this one!  Bunad is the  Norwegian magazine from which the 
article comes.
 
2.  Have you ever investigated the American needlework supplier,  Nordic 
Needle?  You'll find many products related to Norway.   _www.nordicneedle.com_ 
(http://www.nordicneedle.com) 
 
3.  There is a museum exhibition right now at Vesterheim  
Norwegian-American Museum Sacred Symbols, Ceremonial Cloth for your  wife, 
the embroiderer 
in your family.  _www.vesterheim.org_ (http://www.vesterheim.org)   
 
4.  Taking the lead from #3, I have 2 recent embroidery/history books  
featuring embroidery, by the American author Mary B. Kelly:  Goddess  
Embroideries of the Northlands which is a paperback 8 1/2 x 11 and 346  
pages.  
Only 8 pages in color, the rest illustrated with drawings and  photos.  This 
took a great amount of research, and there are 8(!) pages of  bibliography.  
This was $40. Published in 2009 by Studiobooks, P.O.Box  5623,  Hilton Head 
Island, South Carolina 29938.  To go with this  there is a 31-page book 
Embroidering the Goddesses of Old Norway, paperback 8  1/2 x 11 and 31 
pages, one page bibliography.  Embroidery charts and  text about what the old 
symbols mean, plus abbreviated history.  This was  $15.  Published in 2008.  
Same publisher.
 
Mary Kelly has been researching the ancient tradition of goddess worship  
and symbolism for many years.  She has previously  published goddess books on 
Russia, Slovakia, Ukraine, and the Greek  Isles.  When you read her works, 
you'll find representations of goddesses  in many textiles, carpets, etc.  
If you have enjoyed the historic  novels by Jean M. Auel, you may want to 
look into Kelly's textile  research.
 
5.  A book in my library that you can order from Interlibrary  loan:  A 
sampler of Norway's Folk Costumes by Thorbjorg Hjelmen  Ugland.  Publisher is 
Boksenteret, 1996, ISBN 82-7683-088-9.  Costumes  of 38 regions in Norway - 
how they are made and worn today, history, how to care  for them.  In 
English.  Wonderful!
 
6.  Another book:  The Folk Arts of Norway by Janice S.  Stewart.  
Several editions have been published since 1963.  This is a  Dover paperback 
book 
of 246 pages, ISBN 0-486-22811-8.  Among the  chapters are:  Weaving, 
Embroidery, Costumes.
 
7.  Scandinavian Cross Stitch Designs by Jana Hauschild Lindberg,  
published by Cassell, distributed in the U.S. by Sterling, has 30 pages of  
modern 
designs/charts from Norway, including one of a girl, in traditional  
costume.  Other sections cover Viking era, Sweden and Denmark,  Christmas.  The 
addition of lace to many of the items would be nice.   1998, ISBN 
0-304-34951-8.  
 
8.  Mark:  Do you have the small embroidery book Navneduker by  Anne 
Kjellberg?  It was published in Oslo in 1985 by C. Huitfeldt  Forlag.  It would 
be of limited use if you do not read Norwegian  language.
 
My library contains books about costumes, needlework history, related  
crafts etc. because they directly relate to the use of lace and  embroidery.  
So 
far as I have seen, usually personal lace/embroidery  libraries do not 
extend to the related subjects, but they can be very  useful.  
 
Jeri Ames in  Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center  

 
In a message dated 11/12/2009 2:49:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tat...@tat-man.net writes:

Is there  a lacemaking tradition in Norway, if any?  I know about
Hardanger and  other embroideries existed.  But wondered what type, if
any, of lace  was made.  The reason I am asking is because my wife's
roots came from  North East of Oslo, Norway and we were having fun doing a
bit of research.  My wife embroiders and I make lace.   I just
wondered if there is such  a lace.  If not a tradition, then what type
of lace are modern day  Norwegians making?  It would be fun to make
her a heritage outfit(for  our heritage demonstrations) that features
Norwegian embroidery and lace,  being that is her heritage.  Mine is
easier to figure out(English,  German, Irish.quite the melting  pot!)

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking in Norway and Thank you LACE!

[Sally Schoenberg]

 Hi everyone,



I've emailed the scans of the LACE Jan '98 article to the three Arachneans who
are interested.  I would also be happy to make copies on paper and mail them
off to anyone who's interested.  Just drop me a line.  Now, if any of you come
across information about lace in Norway that I don't know about, please share
it with all of us.  I would love to know more.



The rest of this message is for LACE magazine and The Lace Guild:  Thank you
very, very much for publishing this article!  And for all the articles you've
published throughout the years.



Sally Schoenberg

Four Corners, New Mexico

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[lace] Lacemaking in Norway?

[Mark, aka Tatman]

Is there a lacemaking tradition in Norway, if any?  I know about
Hardanger and other embroideries existed.  But wondered what type, if
any, of lace was made.  The reason I am asking is because my wife's
roots came from North East of Oslo, Norway and we were having fun doing a
bit of research. My wife embroiders and I make lace.   I just
wondered if there is such a lace.  If not a tradition, then what type
of lace are modern day Norwegians making?  It would be fun to make
her a heritage outfit(for our heritage demonstrations) that features
Norwegian embroidery and lace, being that is her heritage.  Mine is
easier to figure out(English, German, Irish.quite the melting pot!)

Thanks for any insight,

Mark, aka Tatman in sunny, cool
Greenville, IL USA

website:  http://www.tat-man.net
blog: 
http://tatmantats.wordpress.com
etsy shop: http://tatman.etsy.com

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[lace] Lacemaking participation in International Climate Day of Action October 24th?

[Julie Enevoldsen]

Gentle Spiders,

I just sent this to my group's list, but, on reflection, it occurs to me
this could go wider:

October 24th is the International Climate Day of Action.
http://www.350.org/invitation

The idea is to represent 350, because 350 parts per million is what many
scientists, climate experts, and progressive national governments are now
saying is the safe upper limit for CO2 in our  atmosphere. 

People in more than 1000 communities around the globe have already
announced plans-they'll be school children planting 350 trees in Bangladesh,
scientists hanging banners saying 350 on the statues on Easter Island, 350
scuba divers diving underwater at the Great Barrier Reef, and a thousand
more creative actions like these. At each event, people will gather for a
big group photo that somehow depicts 350--and upload that photo to the web
350.org. As actions take place around the world, we'll link all the pictures
together electronically via the web--by the end of the day, we'll have a
powerful visual petition linking together the entire planet that we can
deliver to the media and world leaders.

The petition is aimed at the big meeting in Copenhagen this year.

So--I'm looking for ideas about something lacemakers could do as a group to
represent 350, and who would be interested in participating? Time is
short

I realize not everyone on this list agrees with the goals represented by
this Day of Action. My message is for those who do; respecting list rules,
please keep replies focused on lace. 

--Julie E. in Seattle

j.enevold...@wlonk.com
weft.wlonk.com 

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[lace] Lacemaking in historical US

[Dmt11home]

There was a reference in an archeological book, possibly the one by Mary  
Beaudry, to a lace pillow found thrown down a privy in the Five Points 
section  of New York. I think it was during the mid 1800's when the area served 
as 
 one with many saloons and houses of prostitution. In fact, I got the 
original  book about the excavation out of the library in an attempt to learn  
more about it. It seemed to be the surmise of the scholars that prostitutes 
did  piecework, and pursued needle trades like other immigrants, while waiting 
 for clients and that this may have been the lace pillow of a prostitute. 
As we  know, there was a great deal of prostitution while the west was being 
settled,  particularly in mining towns, so this might be an angle to work 
while  demonstrating in our western states. It was not necessarily the 
virtuous women,  denied equipment more bulky than a tatting shuttle, who were 
the 
bobbin  lacemakers.
 
Earlier in the day, I spent some fruitless time trying to figure out what  
political entity the lace making regions of what was later Belgium, such as  
Antwerp, belonged to during the period when the Dutch were settling 
Rockland  County, NY and Bergen County, NJ  during the 1600s. I finally gave 
up.  
Possibly it was the Spanish Netherlands. However, I do believe that there  
was a migration of Protestant craft workers to the Dutch Republic after the  
invasion by the Duke of Alba in the late 16th century, and the religious  
persecution that followed it. Tapestry workers, for instance, were very often  
Protestants. I am not sure whether this adds any clarification as to whether 
 people can demonstrate lace at historical properties in Bergen (first  
settled in 1633) and Rockland Country with a clear conscience. However,  
Nicholas Maes, who is considered a Dutch painter and spent much of his life in  
Amsterdam (1634-1693) painted the picture of The Lacemaker which hangs at  
the Met, so I think you could make the case that the Dutch people who 
inhabited  Rockland and Bergen county may have made lace, even in the absence 
of 
any  artifacts.
 
Devon

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[lace] Lacemaking

[Daphne Martin]

 I support what Jean has said about lacemaking keeping the hands exercised so
they don`t stiffen so much.

People who tell me I could`nt do theat with my hands. I advise to take
lacemaking up and see.

So despite whatever is said about lacemaking and Arthritis. It does work!!!
So you have another string to your bow when people mutter are you still doing
that???

Yes its for medicinal purposes!!!
Daphne Norfolk England



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[lace] lacemaking on bobbin results

[bev walker]

Straw vote results:

19 replies came in for the first category:

I (heart/love) lacemaking 15
I (heart/love) lacing 1
doesn't matter 3

with three people further preferring I (heart/love) making lace.

22 replies came in for the second category:

I would rather be... lacing 0
... lacemaking 6
... making lace 12
... doesn't matter 4

I was interested, following the discussion of lacemaking/lacing. As one
respondent mentioned about preferences, they aren't necessarily consistent.

Many voiced opinion about the hackneyed new-speak I heart - yes, point
taken.
I do like it as part of a bobbin saying, kinda cute (however) and saves
painting some letters :p

I will conclude by mentioning that, prompted by my lace teacher of two
decades ago, I sign at the end of notes to lace friends, Happy Lacing

LOL.

Thanks for all the lovely little messages in response to my poll!


-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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[lace] lacemaking on bobbin

[bev walker]

Hi everyone

An opinion poll - maybe just send to me privately, and if I have a lot of
replies, I'll tally and report back.

If you would buy a bobbin so inscribed, which would you prefer:

I (heart) lacemaking ...or... I (heart) lacing ...or... doesn't matter.

I would rather be lacing ...or... I would rather be lacemaking ...or... I
would rather be making lace ...or... doesn't matter.

Assume that this is a nicely painted bobbin, also assume that I'm not
painting it g.
Just wondering, really!

-- 
Bev musing about lace while doing a non-lace project, in Shirley BC, near
Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making as per Oxford Dictionary

[Elizabeth Pass]

Whenever I'm not sure if a word exists, I check the Oxford Dictionary of
Spelling.  There it is - quite clearly - lacemaker, lacemaking.  

Other 'lace' entries are;

Lace, laces, laced, lacing, lace-glass, lace-glasses, lace-pillow, lace-up,
lacewing, lacewood, lacework, lacey (use lacy)   

There's no sign of lacer, although American spellings are included if
different to English spelling.


Now, what are lace-glasses?

Liz Pass
In Poole,Dorset
with another fine day in view.

PS The spell checker queried some of the 'lace' words!

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[lace] Lacemaking or Lace Making 3

[Jean Nathan]

Liz said:

Whenever I'm not sure if a word exists, I check the Oxford Dictionary of
Spelling.

I often watch 'Countdown' - a TV programme where contestants make the 
longest word from 9 letters selected at random (they do get to choose how 
many vowels and consonants are in the selection). A lexicographer, who used 
to work for the Oxford English Dictionary, checks the validity of resulting 
words. Very often words that used to be hyphenated no longer are (I still 
refuse to use cooperation instead of co-operation) and many words are now a 
single word from the combination of what used to be 2 words. The Oxford 
English Dictionary (as dictionaries in other countries probably are as well) 
is evolving continuously as our use of words changes. So even if lace maker 
and lace making are/were 2 words, evolution means they can become one with 
usage, even though for a while both one single and two separate words can be 
used. They are even accepting some American spelling of words as being valid 
alternatives for the UK, eg capitalize instead of our capitalise.


As those of us who use these words are those engaged in the activity to 
describe what we do, I think it's perfectly valid for us to choose which 
version becomes the correct one, and eventually the other will die from 
lack of use.


We seem to be in favour lacemaker and lacemaking regardless of which 
dictionary we use.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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[lace] Lacemaking

[Christine Johnson]

Dear Spiders,
I'm a lacemaker (one word) and although I make lace, I also play lace.
This is an activity that involves 2 people (possibly 3) who spend an
afternoon or evening talking about lace, possibly working on a pattern
draft or altering a pattern, looking at books (either browsing new ones
or checking a few specific references), making additions to the gunna
(do someday)list, gossiping about other people's lace or the people
themselves, possibly looking at lace pillow and even working through a
tricky bit BUT no serious lacemaking. 
(And my spell check has just objected to lacemaker, lacemaking gunna
and spellcheck - I yielded only to the last). 
Christine Johnson
(Sydney, Australia)

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making

[Agnes Boddington]

For our website, I put both lace making and lacemaking as search terms.
On ebay I use both too, as for us it widens the web.
As a linguist, I think it should be lace making, just like cake baking 
or basket weaving.


Agnes Boddington - chilly Elloughton UK

Elizabeth Ligeti wrote:

I always use the one word - Lacemaking.


  


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RE: [lace] Lacemaking

[Karen Zammit Manduca]

Interesting thread...but I would like to make one comment - I usually say
that I 'work' lace not 'make' lace.
Karen in Malta

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Subject: [lace] Lacemaking

Dear Spiders,
I'm a lacemaker (one word) and although I make lace, I also play lace.
This is an activity that involves 2 people (possibly 3) who spend an
afternoon or evening talking about lace, possibly working on a pattern
draft or altering a pattern, looking at books (either browsing new ones
or checking a few specific references), making additions to the gunna
(do someday)list, gossiping about other people's lace or the people
themselves, possibly looking at lace pillow and even working through a
tricky bit BUT no serious lacemaking. 
(And my spell check has just objected to lacemaker, lacemaking gunna
and spellcheck - I yielded only to the last). 
Christine Johnson
(Sydney, Australia)

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed

[Dmt11home]

Thank you Robin. It does make sense. I first encountered this problem when  I 
read the Antique Laces of the American Collectors. Then I devised my slide  
show which I called The Laces of the Robber Barons. But the more I said the  
title, the worse it sounded. Now I refer to it as The Lace of the Robber 
Barons, 
 on the theory that E.B.White, author of the classic American style book, 
said,  that if it doesn't sound right, don't say it. What would you say the 
correct  title of my slide show should be?
Devon
 
 
In a message dated 3/19/2009 1:43:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
robinl...@socal.rr.com writes:

  dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: 
Another  English language style issue which  needs resolution in an official 
lace style manual is whether the plural of  lace is lace or laces. 

Lace can be like fish (the words, not  the objects!).  Several of the 
same species are fish.  Several  different species are fishes.  When 
talking 
about the laces of several  regions, it's pluralized.  When talking about the 
category of textiles,  we say lace is made in many lands.  Note that the 
verb is singlular  (is, not are), so lace is singlular.  I would say I 
have five  pieces of lace, but again this is using lace as a category, not a 
bunch of  objects.  

It's late, I'm tired, and I suspect this doesn't make  much sense, but I've 
tried

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California,  USA
robinl...@socal.rr.com

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking

[Clive Betty Rice]

Adding my $2 (I don't come cheap) to this thread, I do lace with
tongue-in-cheek.  Many years ago, a couple of lacemakers would comment,
Shall we do lace on Monday?  Then Virginia deemed that we can have
personal license plates for our cars if we're willing to pay the annual
fee.  Making a hasty trip to the local motor vehicle department, I found
that Lace and other lace related titles were already taken.  Thus, was
born do lace for my license plate.  Then a computer was born in my
house.  What other e-mail addy would I have but
dol...@whatever-server-i'm using?  So...I'm a lacemaker who loves
lacemaking and will often invite friends to come over and do lace. 
Happy Lacemaking,Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed

[Lorri Ferguson]

I have no problem with The Laces of the Robber Barons, as you are speaking
of many pieces  types of lace and several collectors/people who collected
them.  To me the singular 'Lace of the Robber Barons' doesn't sound 'quite'
correct.
  Just my 2 cents worth.  But seeing the program was worth much more than
that!!!

Lorri



  Thank you Robin. It does make sense. I first encountered this problem when
I
  read the Antique Laces of the American Collectors. Then I devised my slide
  show which I called The Laces of the Robber Barons. But the more I said the
  title, the worse it sounded. Now I refer to it as The Lace of the Robber
Barons,
   on the theory that E.B.White, author of the classic American style book,
  said,  that if it doesn't sound right, don't say it. What would you say the
  correct  title of my slide show should be?
  Devon




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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed

[Ilske Thomsen]

Devon,
in my opinion this title


 The Laces of the Robber Barons.


sounds ok. I am sure you speak from more then one piece so it is  
clearer to say laces.

Only my idea

Ilske

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making

[Alice Howell]

I prefer one word - lacemaking.  That's how I usually write it.  No one 
questions 'shoemaker' and it's usually written as one word, why not 
lacemaker

Go with whatever you like.  We all know what you mean and we're the ones 
who will be using your book.

Alice in Oregon -- where I'll be giving a talk on my OIDFA trip today to a 
group of ladies



On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Brenda Paternoster 
paternos...@appleshack.com wrote:

 I have just received the proofs for Edition 5, and the graphics people have
 queried Lacemaking in the title and suggest Lace making.

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making

[Angel Skubic]

Ditto for me. Lacemaker...not lace maker.

Cearbhael


I prefer one word - lacemaking.  That's how I usually write it.  No one
questions 'shoemaker' and it's usually written as one word, why not
lacemaker

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RE: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed

[Margery Allcock]

This may be the UK/US divide, or it may just be my personal opinion G:  I
think the plural of fish is fish, however many different species you may
have.  And similarly with sheep: lots of them are still sheep.  And
lace too: however many pieces of however many styles you have, the word is
still just lace.

The word laces makes me think of shoes; and Laces of the Robber Barons,
to me, implies the strings which hold the fronts of their jackets together
G.  Very Errol Flynn!

Also I'm a lacemaker, and what I do is lacemaking.

As I say, this may not be correct, but it's how my mind works here in the
UK, with a Scottish upbringing ...
Margery.

margerybu...@o2.co.uk in North Hertfordshire, UK



 

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 From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] 
 On Behalf Of dmt11h...@aol.com
 Sent: Thursday 19 March 2009 14:03
 To: robinl...@socal.rr.com; lace@arachne.com
 Subject: Re: [lace] Lacemaking or Lace making-style manual needed
 
 Thank you Robin. It does make sense. I first encountered this 
 problem when  I 
 read the Antique Laces of the American Collectors. Then I 
 devised my slide  
 show which I called The Laces of the Robber Barons. But the 
 more I said the  
 title, the worse it sounded. Now I refer to it as The Lace of 
 the Robber Barons, 
  on the theory that E.B.White, author of the classic American 
 style book, 
 said,  that if it doesn't sound right, don't say it. What 
 would you say the 
 correct  title of my slide show should be?
 Devon
  
  
 In a message dated 3/19/2009 1:43:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
 robinl...@socal.rr.com writes:
 
   dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: 
 Another  English language style issue which  needs resolution 
 in an official 
 lace style manual is whether the plural of  lace is lace or 
 laces. 
 
 Lace can be like fish (the words, not  the objects!).  
 Several of the 
 same species are fish.  Several  different species are 
 fishes.  When talking 
 about the laces of several  regions, it's pluralized.  When 
 talking about the 
 category of textiles,  we say lace is made in many lands.  
 Note that the 
 verb is singlular  (is, not are), so lace is singlular. 
  I would say I 
 have five  pieces of lace, but again this is using lace as 
 a category, not a 
 bunch of  objects.  
 
 It's late, I'm tired, and I suspect this doesn't make  much 
 sense, but I've 
 tried
 
 Robin P.
 Los Angeles, California,  USA
 robinl...@socal.rr.com
 
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[lace] Lacemaking or Lace making

[Brenda Paternoster]

Thank you to everyone who has replied to this thread, far too many to 
reply to individually, but Noelene the poem is lovely - I've printed it 
out to stick into the back of my copy.


I'm pleased that the large majority of you prefer lacemaking as one 
word.  That's what it has been for the first four editions, and will be 
for Ed5.


Re: lacing, I think that's probably an American expression but I have 
noticed that some of Terry's birdwatching friends sign emails with 
'happy birding' instead of 'happy bird watching', though I suppose that 
'birding' could include writing up notes etc whilst bird-watching is 
just looking through the binoculars.


And guess what - birdwatching is queried but bird watching is accepted 
by Mail!


Brenda in Allhallows, Kent
http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html

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Re: [lace] Lacemaking - Dolace

[Jeriames]

Dear Betty Ann,  
 
This is a great story.  It reminded me of the day Lacefairy (Lori)  arrived 
at my house with a newly-purchased automobile with a vanity license  plate 
Lacefry.  I was quite confused.  Lacefry?  Something  about cooking lace?  
Small lace creatures?  A group or class  of unique lace people?  Lori replied 
that there was a limit of 8  letters or numbers, so she left out the last two 
vowels.  Imagine what  people who do not know her interpret this to mean!!!  :) 
 
 
Jeri Ames in  Maine
Lace and  Embroidery Resource Center
 
 
In a message dated 3/19/2009 10:23:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
dol...@verizon.net writes:

Virginia  deemed that we can have
personal license plates for our cars if we're  willing to pay the annual
fee.  Making a hasty trip to the local motor  vehicle department, I found
that Lace and other lace related titles were  already taken.  Thus, was
born do lace for my license plate.   Then a computer was born in my
house.  What other e-mail addy would I  have but
dol...@whatever-server-i'm using?  So...I'm a lacemaker who  loves
lacemaking and will often invite friends to come over and do  lace. 
Happy Lacemaking, Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia  USA



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Re: [lace] Lacemaking - Dolace

[Sue Babbs]

And I'm very pleased with my number plate - LTL GREY

If you look carefully to see what make my silver car is, the symbol tells 
you it's a Volkswagen Rabbit*!


(I carry a copy of Little Grey Rabbit makes Lace in the boot / trunk to 
explain to non-lacemakers)


Sue

* This waht the USA calls VW Golfs. 


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