Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

Yes that's more correct Max... it has been a while since I have done this
and I mis-spoke.  Jacking up under each side so there's even pressure gives
you more room to work when you're laying on your back.  I want to say I had
a more clever approach to it at the time that was even easier but I can't
seem to recall what it was.   I think I was able to tighten everything just
laying on my back under the car. It's far easier to assemble the 5 link
with no load on it outside the vehicle and then tighten for road worthiness
later.



On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 9:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> Jacked up the spring link until even with the other side (ready to drive)
> and then tightened up the links.
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
> Jan 7, 2020 11:13:48 PM Max Dillon :
>
> >
> > I was able to tighten all the links with the subframe mounted in the
> car. I think I removed a tire, jacked up the spring
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Jan 7, 2020 10:59:17 PM Brian Toscano via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>:
> >
> >
> > > When I worked on 124/201 I would assemble the subframe next to the
> vehicle
> > > and then put it on a transmission jack and roll it into place and
> secure it
> > > to the unibody, connect driveshaft, and brake lines, etc. The 5-link
> > > suspension can be tightened once it's installed under the vehicle by
> > > jacking up under the differential. Just don't drive it far without
> getting
> > > an alignment. The key point with any suspension work is to tighten
> > > bushings with the weight of the vehicle on the bushings (NOT with the
> tires
> > > hanging in the air). Using this method my ride height was within 1 mm
> of
> > > factory spec according to the dealer's alignment printout. :)
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:27 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > What is the best way to install the rear subframe? Who has BTDT?
> > > >
> > > > i'm thinking to install the links and wheel carriers to the subframe
> > > > first. a straightedge across the top should line up with the centers
> > > > of the outer end of the top link. so that solves the problem of
> trying
> > > > to tighten links you can't get to with the subframe installed, with
> the
> > > > weight of the car on the subframe. (book method)
> > > >
> > > > I can tighten all the links, then install the subframe with springs.
> > > > The weight is in the wheel carriers.
> > > >
> > > > then install the axles and diff.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > as an alternative:
> > > > I could try assembling diff, axles and subframe, then raising it up,
> > > > with a series of blocks, left, right, front and rear. It would be
> > > > harder to get everything in place and hard to list by hand to push
> into
> > > > the final place for bolts.
> > > >
> > > > I am not ready yet. Have to patch holes in the body, weld up the
> > > > subframe mounts, replace brake lines, fuel hoses, etc before
> > > > installing. Then assemble the links and wheel carriers to the
> subframe.
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Re: [MBZ] Windows 10 upgrade failed again

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

Macs are not what they used to be.

Years ago they were light years ahead of Microsoft but over time the two
have converged.  Microsoft has gone up and Apple has gone down.  I remember
back in 2007 or so using a neighbors printer with my Mac and he said I'd
probably have to install some device drivers, etc.  I said I'll probably
just connect the USB cable and hit print and it will print.  The printed
pages came out and he was so impressed he bought Macs for his family.  This
is why people used to say "Macs just work."

But it's just not the same anymore.  I'm sending this email from a
Microsoft Surface Pro 7 running Windows 10...  The SSD in my Mac failed
last Monday morning.  I tried to recover from Time Machine to an external
drive and it restored but would not boot.  Then I tried to upgrade the OS
on the recovery drive I was restoring to so it would be the same version as
the Time Machine, but it would not install because it did not see a factory
SSD.  I read of others having similar problems installing or upgrading Mac
OS when the factory SSD drive is not seen.

Windows is not perfect, but its trending better and macOS is trending
down...

I would try a fresh install on an empty hard drive rather than try to
upgrade from Windows 7.  Too often the spec sheet says it will work, but
it's just not a great idea even if it manages to work somehow.
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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

When I worked on 124/201 I would assemble the subframe next to the vehicle
and then put it on a transmission jack and roll it into place and secure it
to the unibody, connect driveshaft, and brake lines, etc.  The 5-link
suspension can be tightened once it's installed under the vehicle by
jacking up under the differential.  Just don't drive it far without getting
an alignment.  The key point with any suspension work is to tighten
bushings with the weight of the vehicle on the bushings (NOT with the tires
hanging in the air). Using this method my ride height was within 1 mm of
factory spec according to the dealer's alignment printout. :)


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 8:27 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> What is the best way to install the rear subframe?   Who has BTDT?
>
> i'm thinking to install the links and wheel carriers to the subframe
> first.   a straightedge across the top should line up with the centers
> of the outer end of the top link.   so that solves the problem of trying
> to tighten links you can't get to with the subframe installed, with the
> weight of the car on the subframe.   (book method)
>
> I can tighten all the links, then  install the subframe with springs.
> The weight is in the wheel carriers.
>
> then install the axles and diff.
>
>
> as an alternative:
> I could try assembling diff, axles and subframe, then raising it up,
> with a series of blocks, left, right, front and rear.   It would be
> harder to get everything in place and hard to list by hand to push into
> the final place for bolts.
>
> I am not ready yet.   Have to patch holes in the body, weld up the
> subframe mounts, replace brake lines, fuel hoses, etc before
> installing.   Then assemble the links and wheel carriers to the subframe.
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Win10 Va Win 7

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

Windows 10 is a good bit different than Windows 7.  I prefer Windows 10.  In 
fact, as a Mac user for about 10 years, Windows 10 is the first version of 
Windows I find acceptable to use.  I am not sure I will purchase another Mac.  
I think Microsoft has really stepped up their game and Apple has been lagging 
since the passing of Steve Jobs.  I just switched to Outlook 2019 after finding 
that my 'sent' mail from Apple Mail goes into the 'trash' folder when using 
Gmail.  I'm sure I could read an article on how to fix this and follow the 
steps, but the whole point of Mac was 'it just works' and it just ain't so no 
more...  Might as well buy a Lenovo or Microsoft laptop with a beautiful touch 
screen...


On 12/27/19, 8:50 PM, "Mercedes on behalf of Curley McLain via Mercedes" 
 wrote:

means little other than winders defender will die.

> fmiser via Mercedes 
> December 27, 2019 at 7:26 PM
>> Larry wrote:
>> Running an older Lenovo desktop with Win 7.  Saw the thread
>> about downloading W10 for free and thought I've give it a shot.
>> But I was wondering if the sluggishness my Win7 is experiencing
>> would be helped in any way or am I just wasting time.
> If you care about things like security updates, you don't really
> have an option.  In a few weeks, Win7 is being dropped by
> Microsoft.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Scam-O-Rama

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

Since she mailed you a fraudulent check, its wire and mail fraud.  That’s a 
federal crime.  Since $1600 - $449 - shipping would likely be > $1,000 loss to 
you if you returned the overage to her, I think law enforcement would be 
interested.  I would contact law enforcement.  There are some older people that 
fall for this and lose a lot of money.  Help someone not be the next victim.

> On Dec 21, 2017, at 3:16 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:00:47 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Find a bogus check and send her that.
> 
> Sounds like bad advice to me.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

Yes

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Could have been friction caused the fire -- friction between the bank and the 
> insurance company.
> 
> --FT
> 
> 
> On 7/25/16 8:16 PM, Brian Toscano via Mercedes wrote:
>> Stereotypes exist for a reason.
>> 
>> I always remember the Ford dealership that was up for sale, one day it 
>> burned to the ground and everyone called it Jewish Lightning.
>> 
>> Lighting came along faster than a buyer.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is an unfortunate stereotyping and I'm sad to see you posting it.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning <
>>>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>> Dan, you need to explain this as it makes no sense:  "Too bad Kaleb’s not
>>>>> Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, I hear…"
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lawyers have the 4D Rule:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX
>>>> dollars
>>>>>> for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
>>>>>> silently and listen carefully..
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yikes.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>>>>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the
>>>>>>> time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all
>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it
>>>>>> ride
>>>>>>> and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except
>>>> as
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
>>>>>>> mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So
>>>> mediation
>>>>>>> was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever
>>>> because
>>>>>>> he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he
>>>> was
>>>>>>> filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest
>>>>>> turned
>>>>>>> into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I
>>>> have a
>>>>>>> bad feeling.
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Re: [MBZ] OT eviction

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

Stereotypes exist for a reason.

I always remember the Ford dealership that was up for sale, one day it burned 
to the ground and everyone called it Jewish Lightning.

Lighting came along faster than a buyer.


> On Jul 20, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That is an unfortunate stereotyping and I'm sad to see you posting it.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:56 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning <
>> https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Jewish_lightning>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dan, you need to explain this as it makes no sense:  "Too bad Kaleb’s not
>>> Jewish.  They have issues with lightning from time to time, I hear…"
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 4:29 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Lawyers have the 4D Rule:
 
 Deceive, Deny, Delay, Deflect..
 
 You just got "Delay, and Deflect" ...
 
 "The price of education is never cheap, no matter where you get it."
 
 One question I always ask prospective renters is, "I just paid "XXX
>> dollars
 for this property" .. tell me why I should rent it to you?" Then I set
 silently and listen carefully..
 
 
 On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> And she’s the one with the realtor’s license?
> 
> Yikes.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 20, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, it is a complete waste of time.  So these people pay late all the
> time but they always paid, they did not tear up the house.  This all
 really
> started when the wife decided she wanted to have a pissing contest with
 the
> renter and had the need to be right.  Yes, they were in violation but
 their
> lease is up in a couple of months anyway.  Rather than just letting it
 ride
> and not renewing the lease SWMBO decided she wanted to evict.  Except
>> as
 it
> turns out was totally not prepared due to the overlooked fact of the
> mediation clause that got included by accident on our part.  So
>> mediation
> was set to proceed and their lawyer filed to postpone or whatever
>> because
> he did not have time today.  GREAT! Their lawyer also informed us he
>> was
> filing to recover his legal fees from us.  The wifes pissing contest
 turned
> into a cluster which is no doubt going to cost me a ton of money I
>> have a
> bad feeling.
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Eviction update

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

I don’t want come off as sounding anti-gay or anything like that.  I think the 
comment is getting taken out of context.

I’ve known a bunch of gay people over the years and haven’t had problems with 
them.

But these ones lawyered up.

There’s a difference. 



> On Jul 25, 2016, at 8:46 AM, Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I know all about The Gays from the TV series "Modern Family".  They are quite 
> funny and seem very nice.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 1:31 AM, Brian Toscano via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I’ve run into some that have this whole gay pride thing going on and will try 
> to use anything against you.
> 
> Hopefully this goes well for Kaleb.
> 
> > On Jul 24, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
> > <mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Brian opines:
> >
> >> I think the whole problem is your dealing with queers or lesbians.
> >
> > Nah. Gays make some of the best tenants...
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Eviction update

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

I’ve run into some that have this whole gay pride thing going on and will try 
to use anything against you.

Hopefully this goes well for Kaleb.

> On Jul 24, 2016, at 11:25 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Brian opines:
> 
>> I think the whole problem is your dealing with queers or lesbians. 
> 
> Nah. Gays make some of the best tenants...
> 
> Rick
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Eviction update

[Brian Toscano via Mercedes]

I think the whole problem is your dealing with queers or lesbians.  They seem 
to think the rules of the world don’t apply to them.

> On Jul 24, 2016, at 9:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hah!  Might be worth it...
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On July 24, 2016 10:39:29 PM EDT, "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 24, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The wife just received a message from the renters wanting to meet for
>>> lunch with my wife to discuss things
>>> 
>> 
>> Well, that gives you an hour to bring in movers and have everything in
>> the
>> house dumped in a container.  Problem solved.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Jeep Alternator Brushes?

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I opted for the rebuilt unit.  Appeared identical.  It was challenging to
RR because the alternator is right against the frame rail.  The brushes
were very worn.  I did see a source of brushes online for $26.  I hadn't
yet seen Dans email about Ace hardware.  The engine seems quieter now.  I
think the alternator may have been the source of an intermittent startup
squeal.  I don't believe the belt was loose or needing adjustment.  Glad
it's done.

On Saturday, November 23, 2013, WILTON wrote:

 Only 300 k?  'Can't depend on anything any more.

 Wilt

 - Original Message - From: Brian Toscano 
 brian.tosc...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2013 12:01 AM
 Subject: [MBZ] Jeep Alternator Brushes?


  I'm getting intermittent charging on my 2001 Jeep Cherokee.  This behavior
 started yesterday.  Today it was fine all day until after I started it up
 after eating dinner.  Then it was around the 9 V and the check gauges
 light
 came on.  It worked fine the next two starts, but then I stopped for gas
 on
 the way home and it low again.  Volt meter shows 10.8 V when things aren't
 working right.  Beat the alternator with a steel drift and it jumped back
 to 13.4 V.  This is the original alternator, over 30 miles.  Does
 anyone know if this era of Bosch alternators has brushes that can be
 replaced as easy a Mercedes?  If so, where the brushes could be purchased?
 Are Bosch remans at Mc Parts worth a bit more than double the price?  The
 lower cost units are around $127. Bosch is $250-290..
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[MBZ] Jeep Alternator Brushes?

[Brian Toscano]

I'm getting intermittent charging on my 2001 Jeep Cherokee.  This behavior
started yesterday.  Today it was fine all day until after I started it up
after eating dinner.  Then it was around the 9 V and the check gauges light
came on.  It worked fine the next two starts, but then I stopped for gas on
the way home and it low again.  Volt meter shows 10.8 V when things aren't
working right.  Beat the alternator with a steel drift and it jumped back
to 13.4 V.  This is the original alternator, over 30 miles.  Does
anyone know if this era of Bosch alternators has brushes that can be
replaced as easy a Mercedes?  If so, where the brushes could be purchased?
 Are Bosch remans at Mc Parts worth a bit more than double the price?  The
lower cost units are around $127. Bosch is $250-290..
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Re: [MBZ] Jeep Alternator Brushes?

[Brian Toscano]

Thanks Gary.

My Dodges with the Cummins had the alternator on the top and the compressor
on the bottom but the Jeep has the opposite.  Still looks pretty
straightforward.  The challenge will how wet the garage floor is.  First
snow of the season.

I was hoping I could take the alternator apart and change something inside
or take it to an alt shop but with 300K maybe best for a reman alt.

On Friday, November 22, 2013, Gary Hurst wrote:

 it really would depend on what the lower cost unit is and how easily it is
 replaced

 i have a 77 le sabre.  alternator replacement was under 10 minutes, but as
 little as 3 if you hustled.  i'd go for the cheapest one napa had back in
 they day, knowing that i could warranty it on the spot and replace it
 instantly.  if it was a more complicated job, i'd go for a higher quality
 unit.

 i don't see any kind of removable voltage regulator or anything on the
 picture, so an easy swap out might not be in the cards


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 brian.tosc...@gmail.comjavascript:;
 wrote:

  I'm getting intermittent charging on my 2001 Jeep Cherokee.  This
 behavior
  started yesterday.  Today it was fine all day until after I started it up
  after eating dinner.  Then it was around the 9 V and the check gauges
 light
  came on.  It worked fine the next two starts, but then I stopped for gas
 on
  the way home and it low again.  Volt meter shows 10.8 V when things
 aren't
  working right.  Beat the alternator with a steel drift and it jumped back
  to 13.4 V.  This is the original alternator, over 30 miles.  Does
  anyone know if this era of Bosch alternators has brushes that can be
  replaced as easy a Mercedes?  If so, where the brushes could be
 purchased?
   Are Bosch remans at Mc Parts worth a bit more than double the price?
  The
  lower cost units are around $127. Bosch is $250-290..
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Re: [MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joints

[Brian Toscano]

Others have said it already, but a BIG hammer can make a big difference.  5
lb is probably the minimum for suspension work because anything less will
just about bounce off. ;^)

On Saturday, November 9, 2013, Scott Ritchey wrote:


 Thanks for the input on Sir Tools.  I don't mind paying a couple hundred
 bucks for the tool but I don't want to buy one that won't work.

 About the vice, the knuckle (the thing with the axle that goes back into
 the
 car) is the part that needs to go in the vice jaws.  I don't suppose teeth
 marks will hurt it but it just seems tacky.

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com javascript:;] On
 Behalf Of Craig
 Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2013 11:40 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Lower Ball Joints

 On Sat, 9 Nov 2013 23:20:13 -0500 Scott Ritchey 
 ritche...@nc.rr.comjavascript:;
 
 wrote:

  The ball joint is pressed into the knuckle and that's where I'm stuck.
  I have a big vice that has rough jaws that will chew up the knuckle so
  I was hesitant to really bite into the knuckle with the vice.  But I
  guess that's what's required.

 For removal, chewing up the old one should be no problem. You don't want
 to do that with the new one.


  The local shop probably has little MBZ experience.  I'll make some calls
  next week but the closest real MBZ place is probably Raleigh (a place
  Wilton recommended).  I'm thinking about just buying the tool.

 If you are not going to make a practice of installing ball joints, having
 it done by a place that knows what they are doing makes sense.


  Does anyone have a 123/126 press for sale or rent?

 No, sorry.


  Does anyone know if this tool is any good:
 

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mercedes-Benz-W213-W126-W220-Ball-Joint-Installer-To
  ol-/151162610357?pt=Motors_Automotive_Toolshash=item2331fe62b5vxp=mtr

 No, sorry.


  Does anyone know if the Sir Tools press is any good:
 

 http://www.autotoolworld.com/product.asp?itemid=172748gclid=CJ-qvICq2boCFWh
  o7AodwkEATA

 Now this one I can comment about. Sir Tools may have a nice idea, but
 their execution is horrible. I bought one of their injector delivery valve
 tools (the ones with all the splines) and had to modify both the tool and
 the delivery valve holder to get it to work. In addition, the fit and
 finish of their tools is junk. I bought a Hazet tool from someone on the
 list (Loren?) and just used it to change the delivery valve seals on our
 '82 240D/3.0 with an M pump. Using it was a pleasure.

 Stay away from Sir Tools!


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] M(ac)B question

[Brian Toscano]

Why should apple support things for decades like Microsoft?  A lot of
things in windows should've been killed years before they were.  Computers
are replaced because they no longer current software that the user wants.
 If you're happy with snow leopard on your old machine keep running it.
 Snow leopard was very nice.  But most wouldn't agree we should still be
using word perfect on 386 machines.

On Wednesday, October 30, 2013, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

 On Oct 30, 2013 10:18 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.comjavascript:;
 wrote:
 
  i don't get it.  i have 10.5.8 here.  seems to work fine
 
 

 No security updates for 10.5 since 8/1/12 IIRC.  You are best off upgrading
 to 10.6.8.

 Alex
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Re: [MBZ] it's off topic, but i'd like to point out

[Brian Toscano]

My buddy still uses his G5 w/ 30 Cinema display bit admits its getting
tired.

I still have my 2007 17 MBP though it too is getting tired.  I don't need
screens to just appear, but as the software becomes more complex it gets
slower and slower.  It can't really keep up with my scanner like newer
machines.  It has been a good one considering its 6 years old.  I upgraded
the RAM and hard drive.  It has the dreaded 17 MBP battery problem and
after the 2nd one died I didn't replace it.  The motherboard was replaced
out of warranty through a NVIDIA recall program.


On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 yeah, that's kinda what i'm talking about.  someone finally understands!


 On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 6:09 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

  Travel mac is a 2.2 core2 Duo macbook.  I tote a airport express for
  secured wifi
 
  Desktop is a MacPro quad Xenon with 8 gig triple monitor and a bank of
  firewire externals for all my junk.
 
  Media Mac is a 2009 MacMini hooked to a 42 Sony.  External drive has
  iTunes and ripped video.  Two terabyte holds enough music and crap.
   Streams to the AppleTV on the big screen in the media room, as well as
 to
  #2 boy's G5 and iPads and iPhones.  #1 boy streams to his Sony laptop.
 
  clay
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Re: [MBZ] Hahahahahaha

[Brian Toscano]

I think they should shut down the DEA ATF CIA NSA and FBI


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Mitchell Haley, EA m...@voyager.net wrote:

 
  They are shutting down some essential functions, too:

 The whole point is to make the shutdown as painful as possible for as many
 people as possible. Bill Clinton never would have dreamed of doing that
 when the Gingrich house shut government down.

 Then again, Clinton did care about this country and wanted to lead it well.
 Evidence increasingly shows that our current president does not.

 Mitch


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Re: [MBZ] OT: PC Computer hardware questiion

[Brian Toscano]

Happy 17 MBP user here, Dan can go pound cheese in Wisconsin.



On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 is the newest mac pro even out yet?


 On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

  Nor are they for a Mac Pro.  Like the two 30 Apple monitors I'm looking
  at.
 
  Also, seriously consider a refurb if you're buying new.  Almost
 everything
  Apple I have purchased has been from their refurb site, and it is as-new
  with full warranty.  I have never had an issue with a refurb product,
  either.
 
  The only difference is that you typically do not get retail packaging,
  which, unless you're a total fanboy, doesn't matter.
 
  Minis have and continue to hold their value well.
 
  Dan
 
  On Oct 11, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 
   On Oct 11, 2013 6:18 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   at some point in the next year or so i'm getting an i5 or i7 mini, if
 i
   can
   run at least to monitors off of it
  
  
   Two 1920x1200 monitors are no problem for a 2010 or later Core Duo Mac
  Mini
   with the right adapters.  Got proof right on my desk here. :)
  
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Brian Toscano]

You can keep your existing policy until it expires, but it will not be
renewed.  There is a 30-day window at expiration to change to a different
policy.  I'm sticking with my existing policy until it expires and then
deciding.  Our federal government is an absolute joke, but as long as there
is NASCAR, NFL, WWE, and ESPN, most American's don't care because most
don't spend the time to understand and many others seem to like the joke
that the federal government is.



On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Gerry Archer wrote:



 Many years ago mutual insurance companies, which are owned by the
 insured, were formed in order to avoid gouging by stock insurance companies.
 Since some of the premiums being quoted currently by health insurance
 companies are obvious gouging, mutual health insurance companies may be a
 well established model that would bring premiums down.  This is currently
 being discussed on the internet but there probably won't be much accurate
 information until more info comes out about Obamacare.


 ACA puts a pretty high limit on the payout ratio.

 Demutualization was a big thing a few years back.
 Good deal for the customer/owners, who got nice checks in the mail to buy
 out their ownership. Could have had nearly free car insurance if you could
 predict which company would go public each year.

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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Brian Toscano]

I think all this nonsense of backpay for furloughed workers is an absolute
joke.  Folks that make their money from the federal government sold their
souls to the devil when they entered the federal system and I simply don't
care if they don't get paid.



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 SWMBA has clients with projects that are screwed.  The agencies have
 closed doors and are no longer working on permitting or review of projects.
  At least they called to let folks know that they were shutting the doors
 at noon Monday to celebrate the end of the Obama administration

 clay

 On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

  drfatty wrote:
  do you get the feeling that you are just around to be a pawn in a lot of
  people's rackets?
 
  Such as the news racket?
  Blather on and on.
  Then jump to debt.
  ...eh...
  The gov't runs on and on.
  Is there anyone here at okiebenz that is affected by ACA? or shutdown?
  I suspect nobody is affected by either ACA or shutdown and we are
  pawns in the racket of news reporting.
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Brian Toscano]

And that's largely because I get very little in return for the amount of
taxes I pay compared to the fat cats who get bailouts and don't pay social
security and medicare on their capital gains incomes...  the disparity is
ridiculous.



On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote:

 I think all this nonsense of backpay for furloughed workers is an absolute
 joke.  Folks that make their money from the federal government sold their
 souls to the devil when they entered the federal system and I simply don't
 care if they don't get paid.



 On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 8:50 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 SWMBA has clients with projects that are screwed.  The agencies have
 closed doors and are no longer working on permitting or review of projects.
  At least they called to let folks know that they were shutting the doors
 at noon Monday to celebrate the end of the Obama administration

 clay

 On Oct 4, 2013, at 5:44 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

  drfatty wrote:
  do you get the feeling that you are just around to be a pawn in a lot
 of
  people's rackets?
 
  Such as the news racket?
  Blather on and on.
  Then jump to debt.
  ...eh...
  The gov't runs on and on.
  Is there anyone here at okiebenz that is affected by ACA? or shutdown?
  I suspect nobody is affected by either ACA or shutdown and we are
  pawns in the racket of news reporting.
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] slow day

[Brian Toscano]

If both parties of Congress did their job when they passed the budget they
would not need to ask for an increase in the debit limit at a later date.
 Its all political games.  Its like buying a house, moving in, and then
months later getting a loan approved.



On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 do you get the feeling that you are just around to be a pawn in a lot of
 people's rackets?

 why is it 1200 pages long other than the keep lawyers and other similar
 parasites employed?  how does a man support a law if he doesn't even know
 what it contains?  etc


 On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

  I actually read a version of the law before the one that had to be passed
  to find out what was in it.  It was like 1200 pages long pdf, but it was
  widely spaced and not much on each page, so it went pretty fast.  the
 thing
  that struck me about it was how much of it had very little to do with
  provision of health/medical care, and how much asserted that various
  commissions, boards, panels, etc. were to go off and figure it out,
 without
  a lot of guidance on what it actually was.  A lot of it also related to
  other laws that needed to be changed, superseded, deleted, etc. to read
  differently in various provisions of those.  So there was actually not
 much
  of anything in there that one could divine what was actually meant or
  intended. Most curious, but then I thought about it, and it became
 clearer.
 
  I questioned a local candidate for the state legislature, who was waxing
  enthusiastic about the PPACA, if he had actually read the law and
  understood it sufficiently to 1) be enthusiastic and 2) vote on things in
  the legislature regarding the law and whatever requirements it would
 impose
  on the state.  His response was that no, he had not actually read it, and
  did not know anyone who had, at which point I said I did and he then
  said, Well, it is Obama's law, so I am all for it!  This guy is a black
  democrat, which reflects most of our population in this district, so I
  sorta expected that, but was also disappointed he could not think for
  himself.  He is a nice guy though, and seems to actually do stuff if you
  ask him, so I guess you can't get the whole package.
 
  --R
 
 
 
  On 10/4/13 4:22 PM, clay wrote:
 
  Something passed that nobody read.  Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
   It all comes back to bite you in the butt down the road.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT but back to diesels

[Brian Toscano]

if you're running light you don't need E rated/10 plys.

having said that, I always put 10 plys on mine.

i think if you take a diesel off pavement you should get 4wd.

the front ends are so heavy they can get stuck on grass.



On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 A 10 ply tire will never flex like a 6 ply...

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 10:08:57 -0400
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 Air down those 10 plys to 10 or 15 psi and see how well they flex.  That's
 what ya do when ya need traction offroad around here.lol

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie

[Brian Toscano]

In general its OK.  My 2000 Jetta was hard to warm up on the coldest days
even in Nashville.  And on those same coldest days once it was at operating
temperature it would drop down some at traffic lights!  but it was a real
fuel miser, 50 MPG at 75 MPH was not uncommon.


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 6:29 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm in New England but close enough to the ocean it doesn't get all that
 cold for all that long. We'll hit -20F one morning every other year or so.
 I've been driving a diesel car for the past 10 years and the only time I
 had trouble with not having enough interior heat was the time the fan died
 on the way to work. That was a cold ride...
 Mike is in upstate New York, probably colder there than here.


 There must be plenty of working type people around you with diesel trucks
 and of course all semi-trucks are diesels. If they didn't have cabin heat
 people wouldn't use them. You must see the grill blockers around a lot. At
 one point Ford made cool (well I thought they were cool) plastic inserts
 for the grills on their trucks. This would have been in the '90s when the
 grill had big holes. You could put in as many inserts as you needed to keep
 the engine warm. Pretty invisible in use unlike a blanket or piece of
 cardboard.


 I suspect one big advantage in more recent years is higher temp
 thermostats, the engine is producing heat, as long as you're not wasting it
 out to the radiator you'll be able to have it in the cab.

 -Curt


 Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2013 10:49:18 -0500
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 On 18/09/2013 3:31 PM, Fmiser wrote:
  Curt wrote:
 
  You're not really looking at the numbers here, you're saying 20
  isn't that much more than 15 but it is 33 1/3% after all.
 
  In reality you've made my point again, you've got a 12 year old
  truck you've driven 66k, not even 6k a year, you're not a diesel
  truck person. A diesel person drives 25,000 miles or MORE a year.
  I disagree here. *smiles*  A diesel person is one who chooses to
  drive a diesel.  Someone using economics only for making a purchase
  choice may need to drive that much per year to make diesel a good
  choice.
 
  A true diesel person will buy and drive diesel powered vehicles
  even if it cost me more to do so.  That's me. *grin*  Money is a
  factor in my choice, but it is not the primary factor.
 
  --  Philip, diesel fan
 
 
 Where are you Philip?

 Any of you folks in colder climates? New Englanders maybe?

 I am wondering how well the diesel trucks produce heat.
 I am hearing stories around here that suggest they don't produce good
 heat in winter.

 Randy who lives in the GWN
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie

[Brian Toscano]

the water pump is not timing belt driven on the A3.  on the A4 it is.  if
its not leaking it may not be necessary to replace, but if the coolant is
skunky and you're in there anyway...


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Theres just not that much mass in the engine... I've noticed that mine
 takes a long time to heat up. I'm having the water pump changed next week,
 maybe I should have the thermostat done too. Considering the amount of
 stuff I'm having done it won't add much more money ;)

 Timing belt
 water pump
 the seals around the timing belt plus tensioners and whatnot
 coolant flush and fill with proper VW G12
 Shifter bushings

 This is of course what I get for buying a car with no history.

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2013 11:22:03 -0600
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 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
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 In general its OK.  My 2000 Jetta was hard to warm up on the coldest days
 even in Nashville.  And on those same coldest days once it was at operating
 temperature it would drop down some at traffic lights!  but it was a real
 fuel miser, 50 MPG at 75 MPH was not uncommon.
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Re: [MBZ] Obummercare caused my benefits to be canceled

[Brian Toscano]

Age and tobacco do affect pricing.

Anthem BCBS tells me 'open enrollment' starts Oct 1 but I can keep my
current plan until it expires and I will have a '30 day' special enrollment
period.

All this enrollment open closed special period stuff is a bunch of B.S.





On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 6:06 AM, m...@voyager.net wrote:

  I too have an individual plan via AARP and Aetna. Aetna has already
  advised me that I can keep my current plan (not the greatest), but they
  won't know what it will cost until January. AND that if I cancel it for a
  gov't exchange plan (which I don't know what it will cost), I won't be
  able to get it again because the plan will no longer be offered here in
  Georgia.

 They really won't tell you the cost of January's coverage until January?
 The deadline to enroll in the exchange for January 1 is December 15.
 You have until the end of March to enroll in the exchange, so it sounds
 like you're stuck buying January coverage at a mystery price from Aetna,
 or signing up for dual coverage in January and canceling one when you know
 the pricing.

 BTW, is there any way to get your current coverage without handing a nice
 fat commission to the Democratic party lobbying arm of AARP? Those
 bastards used member money to lobby members to vote against their beliefs.

 The good news is that with Obamacare's ban on age based price
 discrimination, and requirement that the young sign up to subsidize it,
 you should be seeing lower prices in the exchange and in your current
 plan, if there are any young people in your current plan.

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Re: [MBZ] Obummercare caused my benefits to be canceled

[Brian Toscano]

Why they don't charge fat people more is a mystery to me.



On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:



 There are a LOT of folks that see this as another something for nothing
 deal (they either won't have to pay or don't have anything now).
 Cranial-rectal inversion is not part of their decision process.

 Having said that, several aspects of the existing system did (and many
 still
 do) require fixing.

 Scott

  -Original Message-
  Roger wrote:
 
  ... Wonderful bunch of garbage we've been sold as taxpayers. I keep
  wondering when the electorate will remove its collective head from its
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Re: Computer question

[Brian Toscano]

yeah that's kind of weird.  lightning once struck a pole outside my house
and the strangest things went out..  NIC card on my computer, router, top
1 of my TV, aux relay in my stereo and the lutron light dimmers...



On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Thu, 19 Sep 2013 08:53:12 -0400 Gerry Archer
 arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

  A friends Dell P6754yPC desktop computer won't connect to the
  internet.  I fixed the TCP/IP but now Window7 says the rj45 modem is
  bad  (the wireless modem works okay).  There's a lot of lightning in
  this area that often takes out internal modems.

 It is surprising that the lightning would take out the network interface
 card (NIC) on a computer instead of the DSL modem.

 Does this friend have the proper surge arresting stuff?


  Since the rj45 modem is part of the motherboard, I'm wondering if I can
  simply use an Intel PRO/1000 GT Desktop Adapter - PCI - 1 x RJ-45 -
  10/100/1000Base-T - Internal modem or equivalent?  This computer is
  connected to a DSL modem.

 What model is the NIC you intend on using? I'll need that to see what
 kind of connector it has.


  1 PCI Express x16 slot for graphics card
  3 PCI Express x1 slots
  1 PCI Express x1 minicard slot
 
  Modem description says:
 
   Compatible with x1, x4, x8, and x16 full-height and low-profile PCI
  Express slots

 From this, it appears that plugging the modem in one of the 3 PCI Express
 x1 slots would work. From your descriptions, though, I'm not entirely
 convinced.


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Obummercare caused my benefits to be canceled

[Brian Toscano]

I have an individual plan.


On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:33 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 Faceless!  Wow!  Shades of the X Files.

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  LarryT wrote:
   It also appears many regulations continue to be written by faceless,
   unelected bureaucrats.   aren;t we lucky??
 
  We are getting the best regulations money can buy.
  Insco money, lobbyist money.
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: watches

[Brian Toscano]

The accuracy is pretty cool but who can keep track of 10 seconds a year?
 Watches are more or less a fashion statement.  I'm with Wilton.  iPhone,
computer, car.  When I got a smartphone I got rid of my alarm clock on my
nightstand.



On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 10:13 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Wed, 18 Sep 2013 23:01:08 -0400 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  dickarde says it is the precision cut of the crystal that makes extreme
  accuracy possible and few will go to the trouble to cut it absolutely
  perfect to get sub 10 seconds when 20 or 30 can be achieved so much more
  easily and, for all practical purposes, just as good.  the only watches
  that could do it with any regularity would be something such as the
  rolex oysterquartz, which was cut with extreme care.
 
  bulova solved the problem differently.  one problem of the quartz watch
  is the battery drain as it ticks.  the steps are taken in whole seconds
  as otherwise you'd be going through batteries too frequently.  you have
  more inherent accuracy if you take more steps per second, as a
  mechanical watch that takes 10 beats per second is inherently more
  accurate than one that takes 6.  bulova has solved the problem and now
  takes multiple steps per second, whether 5 or 8 or whatever it is,
  making the 20 to 30 second quartz accurate to within 10 seconds a year.

 This is so confused, it's hard to correct each mis-statement.

 As Peter said, the heart of a quartz watch is the quartz crystal. You are
 correct that this needs to be cut precisely to get good time control.

 The quartz crystal typically oscillates at 32,000 times per second. The
 electrical output of the oscillator is digitally divided down to one
 pulse per second. This drives a stepper motor that moves the second hand.
 The minute and hour hands are geared off and moved by the second hand.

 You are correct that the second hand could be moved more times per second
 for a smaller distance each time but that this would require more battery
 power. Watches could also have higher frequency crystals that are more
 accurate, but this would require more digital division, which would
 require more power.


 Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie

[Brian Toscano]

If he's living in the country he sure don't need no import truck.  Nothing
says country like a Chevy 350.  I like the 72 myself without the stacks.
 Just dual it out by the bumper.






On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

 it's time for you to know this.  jaime used to confide in me that he wanted
 to be you


 On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 wrote:

  Jaime is just trying to be more like me. First he moves to the country (I
  think), then he needs a lawn tractor. Now he wants a pickup. Next thing
 you
  know he will have 80 junk cars in his back yard.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Sep 17, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   i'd agree with curt here.  the love of diesel is nice and all but
 diesel
   isn't always an answer
  
   but the reality is jaime just wants another toy.  for as often as he
  needs
   to use a truck, he can just rent one and be WAY ahead in overall costs
  
   i used to drive a very nice 94 E420, but the head gasket blew.  seems
 to
  be
   30 hours of labor so i went back to driving my clapped out 280CE.,
  this
   car lacked any sort of creature comforts (the windows didn't even fully
   roll up)  at all and got about 12mpg.  when i wanted to do an overnight
  or
   day trip, i'd go to an enterprise rent a car where i had a deal where i
   could show up and take any car left on the lot 10 minutes before
 closing
  on
   saturday and return it same time monday for 20 bucks plus tax.  there
  were
   always big vans and pickups available.  sometimes they were all that
 was
   available
  
   so think about how often you really NEED a pickup truck and how much it
   costs to rent vs how much it cots to own full time and i suspect you
 will
   discover that renting is much cheaper than owning
  
   but renting doen't give you teh fun of playing with a new toy and that
 is
   probably what we have here
  
  
   On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
  
   He's gonna pay 2-3x for a diesel and it'll have added maintenance
 costs.
   Its not like he's going to commute with it. For trips to the home
  center or
   the dump or to retrieve a car a cheap gasser makes more sense than a
  diesel.
  
   If he was gonna do long road trips sure...
  
   -Curt
  
   Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 11:52:07 -0400
   From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com
   To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck for Jamie
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   Miles are high for a v8 Ford.  Not a great deal.  Look further south
 for
   less rust.  A 3/4 ton with a diesel will get better mpg and haul way
  more.
   Early idi models get near 20mpg and have plenty enough power.  That
  truck
   will get around 12.
  
   Older Chevy diesels, 6.2 etc., get great mpg and last forever.  Newer
   Diesels, such as my Powerstroke(with exception to the Cummins), get
  worse
   mpg at around 15 or so average but with 450 ft-lbs of torque, who
 cares?
  
   Mike
   On Sep 17, 2013 11:23 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
  
   On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:13:23 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond
   curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:
  
  
  http://www.frankcoffeyauto.com/1994_Ford_Ford_Milford_NH_174894153.veh
  
   Looks good, and the price is right. Google maps says it's 285 miles
  from
   Trenton, NJ, 4 hours 52 minutes. Sounds like road trip time.
  
  
   Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Obummercare caused my benefits to be canceled

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I have an individual plan.

Looks like what I will be offered will cost 50% more.


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 Is that thru your job or what? At my job we have bcbs anthem

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  Got the outstanding news that my Anthem BSBS health insurance will be
  non-renewed.  Thanks Obummer!
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Re: [MBZ] OT:NYPD

[Brian Toscano]

Meanwhile mayor is still on his crusade to end gun violence but can't seem
to reign in his own PD.


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 9:50 AM, m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Earlier this month, I suggested that the police accuracy standard was to
 empty a 17 round magazine to score two hits on cops and bystanders and one
 hit on the suspect. And somebody, I think it was Craig, suggested that I
 was describing the NYPD standards.

 Well, this weekend, two NYPD officers proved that they are capable of much
 better accuracy and restraint than expected when they scored hits on two
 bystanders with only three rounds fired. They even quit shooting with
 dozens of cartridges left in their sidearms when the suspect ran away
 unscathed.


 http://nypost.com/2013/09/15/cops-accidentally-shoot-two-bystanders-while-trying-to-subdue-man/

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Re: [MBZ] Another Sondy Tale

[Brian Toscano]

I have fond memories of visiting my great aunt and uncle and hearing about
days gone by from the 1930s-1940s.  One of the most humorous things as a
youngster was when I saw a picture of them before they had white hair.  I
had never thought about it before because their hair had turned white
before I was born.  I think for some the war days would be things they may
not wish to recall so not asking does not seem like a big deal.  Neither of
my grandfathers ever talked about it.

On Monday, September 16, 2013, WILTON wrote:

 Yes, I know the feeling well.  As children, teen agers and young adults,
 we are  too concerned about other things - educatrion, making a living,
 raising our own children, etc., - to realize how important history, even
 our personal family histories, can be later.

 Wilton

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 Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Sondy Tale


  Plus, I would have just asked him but he died in 93, and back then I was
 not worried about asking such questions.  When you look back at your life
 and your family, there are so many things you would have liked to have
 talked about or asked them whey they were around, but were to young and
 stupid to think about it.

 On 9/16/2013 11:26 AM, WILTON wrote:

 'May have been at Sondrestrom with Bernt Balken, the founder of the
 base, or at Narsarsuaq, an American WWII base near the southern tip that I
 wrote about in the Sondy Tale Flying with the Danish Air Force.  'Would
 be interesting to know where he was.

 Wilton


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 Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another Sondy Tale


  You know I believe my grandfather was in Greenland. I have no idea what
 branch he was with or where or what e was doing over there. I will have to
 ask my mother and see of she knows.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 16, 2013, at 10:50 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

  Yep, another Sondy Tale already.

 LAKE FERGUSON
 By Wilton Strickland

 Our water reservoir at Sondrestrom was Lake Ferguson, a
 rectangular-shaped lake visible on Google Earth about a mile and a half
 across the Watson River and south of the base.  The water was crystal 
 clear
 and did not get above about 34°F in summer.  Whenever I'd stop by for a
 visit with the water plant technician, I could look down into the intake
 well inside the building built over the lake and see nice fish several
 feet beneath the surface. Usually, the only treatment to the water was to
 heat it to 56°F before and during the pumping process via an above-ground
 pipeline to a pump building with a huge holding tank near the center of 
 the
 main base.  There it was checked regularly (the frequency and type of
 checks I don't remember) and treated as necessary with addition of 
 chlorine
 in accordance with federal standards.  The Danish water plant manager told
 me that he seldom ever had to add chlorine.  Most of this water is ice 
 melt
 from the Greenland ice cap and Russell Glacier where it has been frozen 
 for
 thousands of years and is probably one of the best and purest water
 supplies in the world. The cold water at the faucets around base was so
 cold that I always had to add some hot water to keep the cold water from
 hurting my hands.

 Summer recreational activities at the lake worried me somewhat,
 though. A rowing club was active at the lake, and occasionally a rower
 would briefly go into the water.  On July 4th, a traditional
 Danish-American Day celebration was also held at the lake and the Rowing
 Club house. In addition to the usual July 4th fair of hot dogs, 
 hamburgers,
 beer, soft drinks, etc., a large part of the traditional celebration was a
 football game of sorts between the Danish civilian women and the American
 men. Check the link: 
 http://sondrestrom.com/folks.**htmlhttp://sondrestrom.com/folks.html.
 Tradition also required that anybody who had not been thrown into the lake
 was going into the lake before day's end.  Yes, I went into the lake, and 
 I
 can definitely attest: its temperature does not get above about 34°F, but 
 I
 never heard that our domestic water supply needed any additional treatment
 because of my dunking.

 Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] Obummercare caused my benefits to be canceled

[Brian Toscano]

POTUS is just PC for lying scumbag these days.


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:42 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Brian Toscano wrote:

 Individual.

 I have to wait until 10/1 to find out what's available.

 If I look online today, my current Anthem (BCBS in many states) plan is
 still available. lol.



 But...but, my President promised me we could keep our existing health
 insurance as long as we wanted to...no, wait, he didn't say health
 insurance, he said health care, and we assumed he meant to say
 insurance but he really meant we could keep our existing doctors.

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Re: [MBZ] I guess since poos is too busy...

[Brian Toscano]

I've seen folks buff out a car with 3M Imperial Machine Glaze.  What is
that best for?


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 I have just been slammed at both work and home the last few days, which
 has precluded me from any lengthy responses to your questions.  Before I
 pass out for the night, I'll tell you what I think:

 You need both a polisher and a random orbital buffer. Harbor Freight stuff
 works fine for me and has served me well so far. dumping several hundred $$
 into these tools that you might use a few times a year is a big waste in my
 opinion.   You also need a collection of pads and bonnets depending on the
 materials you choose and a spur for cleaning pads.  You'll spend between
 $150-$200 on compounds and chemical, however, you should have plenty left
 for future sessions, so the costs will be spread out over a number of
 vehicles.

 You saw the highly oxidized finish on the S500, and the results I got
 after probably 20 hours of work. If you're willing to dig into the finish
 on your car, that's the sort of results that you can expect - BUT - you
 can't cut corners, half-ass it, or skip steps.

 So let's start after you have wiped the finish down with some clean towels
 and IPA cut 50-50 with distilled water:

 Step 1.) Ardex 1000 Plus applied using 1-1/2 wool pad on a 7 polisher.
 As with any detailing work, start from the top and work down. I like to
 divide the panels in halves and make sure I overlap. Work in areas no
 larger than 2 x 2. Use plenty of pressure and lighten up as the Ardex
 flashes off. When you're done with a panel wipe it down using a clean towel
 and IPA.

 Step 2.) Ardex 1500 Plus applied using a Meguire's maroon wool pad and the
 same 7 polisher. Use the same approach as Step 1. You should see the haze
 start to disappear at this point.

 Step 3.) Now you're going to change over to the RA buffer with a yellow
 foam cutting pad and Meguire's M105 Ultra Cut compound. Continue with the
 same techniques as previously used.

 Step 4.) Again with the RA using a black finishing pad and some Meguire's
 M205 Finishing Polish.

 Step 5.) Back to the polisher with a 3M Perfect-It blue polishing pad and
 3M Perfect-It Ultrafine Polish.

 Step 6.) Finish it up with some 3M Show Car Wax or my current favorite,
 Collinite 845 Insulator Wax.

 This is for a really severe finish. You can start down the line a step or
 two if you think the finish isn't that bad and backtrack if you don't get
 the desired results.

 Dan




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  I will just buy some mothers or something. What about zymol? Seems like
 that stuff used to be good
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Truck

[Brian Toscano]

The small 4-banger import trucks from the early 90's or earlier are
woefully underpowered for any kind of towing.  If you want to lay a sheet
of plywood down flat in the bed or tow a car, get a Chevy 1/2 ton long bed
with a V-8.


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote:

 F-250.  A 1/2 ton truck is no better than a Crown Vic with a frame
 (non-unibody) in terms of towing, but not obviously in terms of cargo
 capability.

 YMMV

 Greg

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 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jaime
 Kopchinski
 Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:01 PM
 To: mercedes Mailing List
 Subject: [MBZ] OT: Truck

 I've decided I want a pick up truck for basic utility.  Carrying stuff
 around, trips to the home disappointment, etc.  And towing around my
 utility
 trailer.  Overall, it would get used pretty rarely and I'd probably share
 it
 with my brother who has the same needs.

 Looking to spend under $3000.  Doesn't have to be pretty, but should a
 basically reliable design.  I don't mind doing some work, of course, to
 make
 it reliable.

 Problem is I don't know where to start looking.  That is, what model to
 look
 for and what to avoid.  Can anyone offer any experience or suggestions?
  I'd
 lean toward a Toyota, but I don't think they're very cheap.  Theres lots of
 higher mileage Fords and Dodges out there...

 A bonus would be something heavy enough to tow a car trailer.

 Anyone have any advice?

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Re: [MBZ] Diagnosis Confirmation, Please, now HELP?

[Brian Toscano]

I found success with offset bits when doing this on a '87 300DT with the
compressor still installed.  I don't believe right angle would work.



On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Got new cooler lines on it, too.

 Dan

 On Sep 15, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

  Just did a flush and fill about a year ago, not that it matters.
 
  I'm just concerned that I won't have enough room to get straight on with
 the compressor, that's all.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Dan
 
  On Sep 15, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 
  On Sep 15, 2013 9:28 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 
  If it wouldn't be such a PITA, I would
  pull the radiator so I could get a
  straight shot at it.
 
 
  Pulling the radiator on a 124 takes about 15 minutes if your
 transmission
  cooler lines aren't seized.  It's easier than just about any other car
 I've
  worked on.  The car probably needs a coolant change anyway.
 
  Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Diagnosis Confirmation, Please, now HELP?

[Brian Toscano]

In the archives you might find the part number of the Snap On tool I
borrowed to get the job done.


On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote:

 I found success with offset bits when doing this on a '87 300DT with the
 compressor still installed.  I don't believe right angle would work.



 On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 Got new cooler lines on it, too.

 Dan

 On Sep 15, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

  Just did a flush and fill about a year ago, not that it matters.
 
  I'm just concerned that I won't have enough room to get straight on
 with the compressor, that's all.
 
  Thanks,
 
  Dan
 
  On Sep 15, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 
  On Sep 15, 2013 9:28 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:
 
 
  If it wouldn't be such a PITA, I would
  pull the radiator so I could get a
  straight shot at it.
 
 
  Pulling the radiator on a 124 takes about 15 minutes if your
 transmission
  cooler lines aren't seized.  It's easier than just about any other car
 I've
  worked on.  The car probably needs a coolant change anyway.
 
  Alex
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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ 2013

[Brian Toscano]

when is the next OkieQ


On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 8:36 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 'Sounds mighty good!  'Wish I coulda made!

 Wilt

 - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 10:09 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] ChowdaQ 2013


  Well its over and done (well it was over and done yesterday but I'm only
 now recovered enough to post...

 I counted 9 cars including a turbo OM616 powered Chevy van. Buncha people
 (more than 9 :) ) and a record number of dogs.

 The secret food was my nearly famous dutch oven bbq, this year with
 sausage (both sweet and hot) pork and chicken dry rubbed and then cooked
 for 3 hours. Strangely nobody got a picture of that, you can get an idea
 from this: 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=GUshllIVSUYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUshllIVSUYexcept
  I did 2 pots, one for spicy and one for non. We also had burgers,
 chowda, clamcakes, a world of fruit, veggies and pie for the finish.


 I got the opportunity to drive John's Astro van (not a bad ride, it'd be
 better if he turned up the IP to support the turbo and move the shifter),
 Steve's immaculate '85 300D and Dimitri's 280SL. Parts were swapped, chowda
 was consumed.

 Check it out:
 http://s843.photobucket.com/**user/curtludwig/library/**
 ChowdaQ%20VI%202013?sort=3**page=1http://s843.photobucket.com/user/curtludwig/library/ChowdaQ%20VI%202013?sort=3page=1



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[MBZ] Obummercare caused my benefits to be canceled

[Brian Toscano]

Got the outstanding news that my Anthem BSBS health insurance will be
non-renewed.  Thanks Obummer!
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Re: [MBZ] Obummercare caused my benefits to be canceled

[Brian Toscano]

Individual.

I have to wait until 10/1 to find out what's available.

If I look online today, my current Anthem (BCBS in many states) plan is
still available. lol.


On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 9:56 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 Individual plan or employer?

 Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com writes:

  Got the outstanding news that my Anthem BSBS health insurance will be
  non-renewed.  Thanks Obummer!

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Re: [MBZ] Obummercare caused my benefits to be canceled

[Brian Toscano]

yep, so much for keeping your existing plan.


On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 So, it begins.  I wouldn't count on answers by 10/1

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  Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 12:00 AM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obummercare caused my benefits to be canceled
 
  Individual.
 
  I have to wait until 10/1 to find out what's available.
 
  If I look online today, my current Anthem (BCBS in many states) plan is
  still available. lol.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!

[Brian Toscano]

Don't these cars have a master relay or something similar that can die?

Back in the day some folks would carry a spare.



On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:51 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Something loose in fuse box?  All those inop systems on same fuse?  Ya
 SURE the fuse is good?

 Wilt

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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] A bit OT: ARRRGH, stupid Jetta!


  Did you disconnect the negative battery terminal when you welded on the
 car? Could you have fried some circuit somewhere?

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 On Sep 13, 2013, at 12:04 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  You may remember my buying a '98 Jetta last week. At first everything
 was happiness and smiles. I got a new battery, fixed some rust, figured out
 the sunroof and internal light problems but now a real challenge has arisen.
 No headlights, daytime running lights, high beams, turn signals,
 emergency flashers, wipers, or washers.
 Strange no? Common wisdom seemed to indicate that this was the ignition
 switch, the electrical part behind the lock. Easy enough to replace EXCEPT
 the screw is hidden until you take the lock portion out. I won't go into
 details but suffice to say this led me to a junkyard for a new steering
 column and lock assembly... Anyway today dodging thunderstorms (we had some
 real corkers yesterday) I managed to get everything installed with the new
 ignition switch and nothing has changed...

 Car starts fine, has power, turbo spools up.

 I *think* my fatal error came when I was troubleshooting the blowing of
 fuse #21 (sunroof et al) which led me to mess around the fuse box and now I
 hope I haven't screwed myself.

 Why do I play with old cars?

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Re: [MBZ] buymbparts is dead drunk and rotting etc but OIL needs to be discussed

[Brian Toscano]

It's hard to go wrong with Delo 15w-40 although I like 5w-40 for winter.
 Made the block heater on my B-series not at all necessary.


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:10 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 The winter duty involves finding that one dry week and bundling up well so
 I can do a top down, cobweb cleaner ride to move fuel through things, make
 sure nothing has taken root inside and I can put fresh gas in the tank

 clay

 On Sep 5, 2013, at 7:13 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

  I use Delo 15W-40 in everything.  SL's, dodge, lawn mower, etc.
  Doubt your SL needs lighter oil for winter duty.
 
  -- Jim
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Android Email

[Brian Toscano]

When my Blackberry died I could not justify the purchase of another one.  I
consider the platform dead.  I bought and iPhone 4S and haven't looked
back.  The iOS sandboxing is generally secure.  The company I work for will
require a special app for Android phones to pretty much do the same as iOS
does out of the box.


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

 On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote:

  I think going to a BlackBerry because Android doesn't have enough options
  may be a dead end. ;)


 I would choose a BB for security, privacy, and other reasons.

  There are many email clients for Android.  I actually prefer the native
  Gmail app, I think Max was using k9,

 I tried K9. It doesn't play well with Hotmail.

  There are others, but I haven't investigated them much since I'm used to
  the Gmail app now.

 Can you use the gmail app with email other than gmail?

 Rick



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Re: [MBZ] Wilton's car

[Brian Toscano]

I'd try swapping the engine, leaving the trans;  or pull the head on the
350 and see what's wrong.


On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 6:56 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Are there not some upgrades to electrical beasties related to engines and
 transmissions going from the 300SDL 603 to the 350SDL 603?

 clay

 On Sep 3, 2013, at 5:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

  First thing I would do is pull the injectors then see if it will turn
 over, if so then pull the head and fix it. If not you can swap the while
 engine/trans over if you want but would be better off sticking with the 3.5
 if possible.
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Sep 3, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote:
 
  Not yet, I am going to skip work and go down Thursday or Friday.  I will
  have two 126s for a while so stop by when you visit your in-laws, or
 put in
  some requests so I pull what you want before the scrap man comes.
 
  Generally, the plan is to do a motor swap, the 603 from my 300SDL into
  Wilton`s 350.  I hope that the transmission is the same?  Or else the
 whole
  thing is going in. :)
 
  Other than that I am curious about the condition of Wilton's engine, can
  anyone recommend any diagnostics?  Seems a shame to scrap it if it is
 easy
  to fix, but I also don't want to blow a weekend troubleshooting only to
  wind up tossing it anyway.
 
  Best,
  Tim
  On Sep 3, 2013 9:36 AM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
  wrote:
 
  So did Tim get it?  Wonder what he is going to do with his heap?  I
 need
  some 126 parts, maybe he can pick a few before it goes to the knacker?
 
  --R
 
 
  On 9/2/13 9:11 PM, WILTON wrote:
 
  Wilton's 126 has been committed to a fine gentleman who plans to tow
 it
  about 82 miles NW to Chapel Hill, NC, and put a 603.960 in it.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI

[Brian Toscano]

Mobil 1 5w-40 at Wal Mart is fine for the '98.


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I thought you might be skeptical so I snapped a pic

 http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/D7B6CDB1-F917-45B4-A9C3-74102321FD14-8532-04F952F74D30_zpsfa1fac95.jpg


 It only lists 228.31 on the bottle, I attached a link to a different email
 that listed 229.5

 -Curt

 Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2013 18:19:44 -0500
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Jetta TDI
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 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

 Car quest oil meets mb spec?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 6, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  BTW I was just over at my local CarQuest and they had Pentosin 5w40
 which meets 505.1 and I asked about the price, $9.40 a quart but for $22 a
 gallon they have their own Car Quest synthetic which ALSO meets 505.1 and
 MB 229.3 and 229.5. I bought a CarQuest brand oil filter and I'm thinking
 once I get the car on the road I'll use the CarQuest oil for this first
 fill. I'll test at 5,000 miles and see what the analysis says.
 
  -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] parts site?

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With so many apps for free calling it seems harder to manage.  Someone
calling on Skype?  Google Voice?  Your business phone?  Cell phone?  Text,
WhatsApp, etc.

Not to mention some people are genuinely hard to hear on Skype or Google
Voice.  They will sit away from their computer's microphone sounding far
worse than a speakerphone.  And does GV even allow SMS mesages these days?

I don't know, but it seems pretty straighforward to give someone a phone
number.  With the advent of unlimted long distance calling, are 800 numbers
even that helpful anymore?



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 pic


 On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  did you see the pick of my bicycle?
 
 
 
  On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net
 wrote:
 
  Ya, but Skype is just another thing I'd have to install/run.  Google
 chat
  has voice, video, and text just like Skype.  I already have Voice
 running
  on my cell giving me a 2nd and local phone number for business use.
 
 
  Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
  '98 ML320 Max (170,xxx mi)
 
 
  On 8/24/2013 7:46 AM, Larry T wrote:
 
  ya'll ever try Skype?  It's free when calling skype to skype
 
  LarryT
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Autozone idiots

[Brian Toscano]

Yeah, I think we can leave references to others out


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 On Aug 9, 2013, at 2:43 PM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote:

  so why do you guys worship a guy who does this to you for years and then
  tops it off by telling you to give all your money to trent without
  receiving any parts at all, let alone the dismal chinese crap he
  specialized in, to support something he called learning.?  it's an
  awfully strange world, is it not?


 I thought we weren't going there.

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Re: [MBZ] Michelin tire recall

[Brian Toscano]

Replace and throw defective tire on your burn/ compost pile.




On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Benz Hogs benz-n-h...@gulseth.net wrote:

 Plug, patch, and add sealant :)  No more flats!

 Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
 '98 ML320 Max (168,xxx mi)


 On 7/20/2013 11:40 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 about how you should have it plugged and patched

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Re: [MBZ] wasps everywhere

[Brian Toscano]

Yellow jackets are the worst, especially if you're driving a tractor.



On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 Raid Wasp and Hornet spray knocks 'em down pretty quickly.

 Not sure how good it is for paint... probably should rinse it quickly.

 Allan

 Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com writes:

  Those wasps are what I am allergic to.  Nasty, aggressive, territorial
 and
  just plain evil creatures.  They are so common on cars that sit around
 for
  any time here that it is like dodging life seeking bullets in a war for a
  guy who is allergic to them to be able to work on old cars.  Seriously.
 
  Mike
  On Jul 30, 2013 2:19 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Andrew Strasfogel
  astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
   What a horror story.  Where do you reside?
  
   On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:22 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu
  wrote:
  
   Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com writes:
  
Paper or mud?  The ones that build paper nest are the ones that
fight to defend their nests.  At sundown is the time to get 'em.
They slow down, and are all on the nest.  During the day, there is
always a few out and about.
  
   Paper.
 
  I have a terrible time with paper wasps and sitting cars too every
  summer and fall since I moved out to the country about 25 miles from
  Portland (Oregon).  These are not the kind that build a closed
  football-shaped nest (though I've seen those here a couple of times
  too), but the kind that build something that looks like a honeycomb
  with open cells where the larvae grow.  As Allen described, they love
  doorjambs in particular.
 
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Re: [MBZ] I fought the saw and the saw won

[Brian Toscano]

I'd just get a Stihl.  They just work.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 This thing has to be vapor locking. It starts when cold somewhat ok, it
 died a couple of times today and I got it started, the last time it acted
 like it was going to start and it would not. Let it sit about 30 min tried
 it again, acted like it was going to start and then just would not. It's
 about 100 outside if that matters. So it's full of fuel, I seem to get some
 pressure when I open the cap. When I pump the primer it is completely dry
 when turned on its side with the fuel cap up and removed. Filter is emerged
 in fuel. I turned it back right side up and I get a little bit of fuel in
 the primer bulb and pump the crap out of it. Afterwards it tried to start
 once then would not. It seems like the fuel is vapor locking maybe because
 it is so hot outside and this is a big ass tree I am cutting up? Got about
 3 cuts thru the huge bottom part of the tree today. Think is maybe 1.5-2
 feet in diameter I guess. I really need a bigger saw for this part of the
 job but when it's running it seems to tear thru it just fine. I guess I
 need to either try to adjust the carb or try some 100% gas I don't know.

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Re: [MBZ] Bacon OT

[Brian Toscano]

High tech country ham and bacon?  What's the world coming to?


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 At Costco last year some guy was selling these automated smoker grill
 things that had a motorized auger to put wood chips in the fire box.  It
 had some sort of thermostat control on it.  I was actually tempted but
 my old Brinkman barrel smoker does a pretty good job.  But you are correct,
 the electric smokers sorta do the same thing but differently.

 --R



 On 8/3/13 11:12 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 As much as I hate the concept an electric smoker is the deal for this,
 nothing else can compete with it for keeping the temp right.



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Re: [MBZ] Setting my hubs

[Brian Toscano]

Can also rap the wheel as you tighten.  The resonance will change when its
right.  Put a dial indicator on it and should be spot on.

On Monday, July 8, 2013, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 Scott Ritchey wrote:

 Yup.  It's just enough movement to see detectable needle movement on my
 cheapie dial gauge.  It also seemed to me that the setting was correct
 when
 you can just barely detect any movement when you push/pull on the disk.


 When doing motorcycle valve lash, minimum feel for me is about
 0.002-0.004.
 I liked the idea (Loren's?) of ringing the disk by tapping it with a
 wrench.

 Mitch.


 Not mine.  I seldom need to touch wheel bearings.  when I do I just do it
 by feel  tighten until the bearing gets snug, then back out the nut 1/3
 turn and clamp it down.  May be too loose, but it is ok for off track
 normal driving.  No dial indicator needed.  I've done it that way for 40
 years.   My dad taught me to do merkin iron by feel. I just applied it to
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Re: [MBZ] Black smoke and loping at idle.

[Brian Toscano]

If the ALDA was not shimmed properly I suppose there could be too much
fuel?  But timing would also be suspect.

On Saturday, June 29, 2013, OK Don wrote:

 Since this problem started with the installation of another IP, and
 persists with a second IP, I would be very suspicious of the installer -
 doing the same thing twice and expecting a different result! Now, it is
 possible that you have two defective IPs, I've had that with alternators
 from FLAPS, but used Bosch IPs don't usually give that kind of trouble. I
 like the suggestion of checking the timing with the drip tube!

 THe ALDA, injectors, etc. did not go bad just when you changed the IP. It
 about has to be IP timing.

 On Sat, Jun 29, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Michael Esh 
 michael...@mac.comjavascript:;
 wrote:

  Peter  Others,
  Thank you all for the information and ideas.
  I changed out the injectors last night and it made no difference at all.
   I did adjust the alda all the way closed and the car would not idle or
  achieve and rpm 2500 and was not drivable.  When I moved it back out
 (ccw)
  it would run and it returned to the normal terrible running status we
 have
  been battling since the new used injection pump was in installed.  I was
  then called to dinner.  I plan on changing out the alda with one that is
  unmolested (thanks Mitch) on Sunday.
  Is there a good write up on how to  check to see where I stand on this
  issue.  I have never adjusted the timing and do not intend to try to
 change
  it.  I plan on taking it back into the mechanic on Monday and trying a
 few
  adjustments.
 
  Thanks
  Mike
 
 
  On Jun 28, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
 
 
   You must use the drip tube method to check this, and be very careful to
  have the injection occur on the compression, not exhaust stroke.
  
 



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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART

[Brian Toscano]

2000 Jetta TDI did 50-55 MPG

On Saturday, June 29, 2013, Gerry Archer wrote:




  On 27/06/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

 The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM
 parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly
 nothing.

  Sort of like having an old Chevy?
 Randy

  When the Smart came out with its poor numbers, and a Mercedes built car
 began rolling over on sharp turns, was when it became obvious that Mercedes
 had lost it's way.
 Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Brian Toscano]

The TB on the '98 is easier.  Once you get good a the A4 chassis they can
be done pretty quickly but the process is definitely different than on the
A3.


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 11:56 AM, David Bruckmann 
bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote:

 Maybe not on a 98, but on Hans' 2001 TDI it is definitely involved.

 On 2013-06-23, at 10:45, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  On a 98 Jetta? I don't see where an engine mount has to be disturbed in
 the process.
 
  Curt
 
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  On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:25 PM, David Bruckmann 
 bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote:
 
  Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they
 touch the timing belt or water pump because the engine mount is integral to
 that whole procedure. If not you will find your engine on the GROUND
 sometime thereafter. Many, many, many reports on tdiclub.com of dealers
 not replacing those bolts and the results can be quite unpleasant...
 
  Check the parts listed on the service invoice. If the bolts aren't
 there, you'll want to go back to the stealer/shop for an explanation.
 
  D.
 
  On 2013-06-23 Curt Raymond wrote:
 
  Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it
 looks like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump
 is probably another hour or so.
  I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100
 for water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic.
 
  -Curt
 
  Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Hans Neureiter wrote:
 
  Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement
 ran ~ $
  800.? It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner
  idlers.
 

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Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: Any TDI folks here?

[Brian Toscano]

the '98 TDI should get you upper 40's on the highway.


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 7:45 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I passed on one in an auction in 2004 and I'm still kicking myself, it
 sold for cheap cheap but I didn't have the house yet and space for 3 cars.
 I was still driving my '83 240D back then.

 One of my students in California a couple years ago has one. He said the
 batteries died years ago but it still gets good mileage even so.

 -Curt

 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 19:49:36 -0400
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 Dan Penoff wrote:
  Methinks he meant mile, not gallon.

 Yep.
 Can't believe I did that.

 If Curt really cares about fuel cost, he could always get a first
 generation
 Insight with stick shift. 65-70mpg on 87 octane gasahol.
 Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] 95 e300

[Brian Toscano]

Colorado Springs is semi-arid.  The soil is often just sand.  There is no
major water source nearby.  The drinking water comes from far away places
through a series of pipes and tunnels.  As far as the Subaru's and granola,
Dan you should continue to live in your cesspools and sinkholes known as
the Midwest and Florida since you seem to know very little about the area.




On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:05 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Co. Springs looked mighty good to me, but I didn't get out into the
 desert. 'Course, that was on visits from Greenland and after 2½ years in
 Mojave Desert (George AFB, Victorville, CA.)   ;)

 Wilton

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  With the current drought, I guess the answer would be barely. However,
 in Oregon where we came from and may move back to again, there is more
 than enough water most of the time.

 Kevin in the port, Colorado


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 move to the CO Springs area for work.  I went out and looked around, and
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Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?

[Brian Toscano]

The 1998 is a lot more tinny than the 2000.  Water pump is aux belt driven
on the '98 but timing belt driven on the '00.  Rotary pump, electronically
controlled.  Rear drum brakes.  All in all I liked the 2000 better than the
1998.  Drove each for a few years.



On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just
  like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U
 


 Yeeesh, they definitely aren't supposed to sound like that.   My ex has a
 2000 New Bug TDI that we bought new (same engine as the '98).  It wasn't a
 Mercedes, but it was a fine car for the price and got great fuel mileage
 (40 highway with the automatic, stick cars do about 5 mpg better).  The
 normal turbo sound is very distinctive, sort of like a vacuum cleaner but
 higher-pitched and tapering off as the car accelerates from a stop.

 Things to watch out for:
   -  Frequent oil changes with the correct spec of synthetic oil, 505 point
 something.  Dealers were notorious when the TDIs were new in the late '90s
 for ignoring VW's service bulletins and putting dino oil in them, greatly
 shortening turbo life and leading to...
   -  ...Soot buildup in the intake.  Much like with the 300D 2.5, the EGR
 system seems expressly designed to clog the intake manifold with soot,
 making the car run rough.  Solution is to take it off and soak it out, but
 it's harder to do that in the tight space around a transverse engine than
 in an M-B.  (Especially bad in the Beetle where a third of the engine is
 tucked under the dashboard, sort of like a full-size van.)
   - Electrical gremlins.  VW has come a long way since the '80s when it
 seemed like the circuitry in their cars was constructed from bent
 paperclips and bits of chewing-gum wrapper with the shiny side out, but
 they still seem to be more likely to have electrical difficulties than a
 Japanese or American car of comparable age.  Power windows that don't work
 are probably an easy fix--IIRC there was a recall for faulty regulators at
 some point--but anything more complex or intermittent is a red flag.

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Re: [MBZ] mileage

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LA traffic is probably worse more hours of the day than any other city.

DC has bad rush hour, but so does NYC.

Outside of rush hour you can easily drive into NYC without any major
traffic problems.  Of course you might also get caught in a traffic jam at
2AM.



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 I've driven both as a tourist with only a map, and didn't find DC as bad as
 NYC. I think Dallas might be even worse. I've never driven in the LA area,
 but don't think it could be any better.


 On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I am saying that the DC traffic patterns are actually very user friendly
 IF
  you know how to take advantage of them.  In other words, traffic here
 isn't
  as bad as the rest of the world seems to believe.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[Brian Toscano]

Stereotypical? For citing abuses of the system that seem to go unchecked?




On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:23 PM, Darren Marshall onecreat...@gmail.comwrote:

 Naw man, in fact I said that I'm not discrediting the argument for the
 need for policy change on these issues.

 You are entitled to your opinion, and assuming you're of age and legal
 status, you're also are entitled to vote on these issues... hell, run for
 office, this is America! But be careful who you represent...

 It might seem like a noble thing to say it's the law but let's get real.
 It's a slippery slope. Watch the news lately?

 You are also clearly stereotyping. On one hand criminalizing people that
 are using the system, and on the other criminalizing people who are not
 using the system seems a bit hypocritical.

 As a business owner who supports and participates in legitimate work visa
 sponsorship programs, I can personally tell you that not all people from
 all countries have an equal shot at opportunity here. Keep in mind that at
 some point, we all came from somewhere else.

 I'll also tell you that the only real difference between an immigrant
 coming here legally/illegally will come down to how much money is in their
 pocket, and if they have access to quality legal counsel. Fair?

 Putting the spotlight on, and generalizing on these two groups are part of
 the reason this country has such strong ADD, and can never focus on big
 issues long enough to see real change.


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  other sketchy things?
 
  Does that mean you're minimizing the issue of illegal immigrants so as to
  say I shouldn't be concerned the government looks the other way with
 these
  ILLEGALS WHO BROKE THE LAW?
 
  While they may work harder than lard ass Americans, that doesn't make it
  right.  The lard ass Americans should work!
 
  Welfare is often a waste of tax money.  Paying food stamps for people to
  sell them at the entrance to the grocery store.. For people to have more
  kids to have more drug money... and for people who keep making mistakes.
 
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com
 wrote:
 
 
  Actually, I suspect most of these illegal aliens (the accurate term) are
  better Americans than a lot of the folks born here.  And by better
  Americans I mean folks who value liberty and opportunity over safety
 and
  security.  I'm pretty conservative on most issues but when it comes to
  guest workers I'll take Catholic Hispanics over middle-east Muslims
 any
  day.  Nothing against such individuals but there is a track record
 there,
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
 Darren
  Marshall
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:03 PM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT
 
  So many other sketchy things happening with your tax dollars...
 
  and so many illegals are working 'undesirable' jobs, not living in any
  remote sense of luxury, just trying to support their families... and
 when
  caught either guided to legal status, or ousted.
 
  Welfare on the other hand is a system that seems easy to game, but god
  forbid you ever had to claim it--you'd be glad it was there.
 
  I try to steer away from making too many assumptions about things like
  this,
  and you're certainly entitled to your opinion
 
  but these issues I think are embellished, given the spotlight to enjoy
  public circular debate, while Sam spends endless tax payer dollars on
  things
  you'll never know about or vote on...
 
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Re: [MBZ] mileage

[Brian Toscano]

101 and 280 seem to move pretty well.  I've been through the Bay Area at
least several times and only hit traffic once or twice.  I've never managed
to get through LA without sitting in traffic.  The 10, 205, 405 ... all
bad.  As they say of the 405 - 38 miles, 2-1/2 hours.  It really doesn't
clear up until you get across the San Diego County line or out into the
desert.



On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

 San Francisco is bad, especially on the peninsula. Takes you a good 2
 hours to go maybe 30 miles, and that's not even at rush hour.

 Dan

 On Jun 18, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  LA traffic is probably worse more hours of the day than any other city.
 
  DC has bad rush hour, but so does NYC.
 
  Outside of rush hour you can easily drive into NYC without any major
  traffic problems.  Of course you might also get caught in a traffic jam
 at
  2AM.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:14 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I've driven both as a tourist with only a map, and didn't find DC as
 bad as
  NYC. I think Dallas might be even worse. I've never driven in the LA
 area,
  but don't think it could be any better.
 
 
  On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
 astrasfo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  I am saying that the DC traffic patterns are actually very user
 friendly
  IF
  you know how to take advantage of them.  In other words, traffic here
  isn't
  as bad as the rest of the world seems to believe.
  --
  OK Don
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Re: [MBZ] At this time Trent is a thief

[Brian Toscano]

It took that long with Chase earlier this year on something unrelated.
 Eventually they sent me a letter that said the investigation was closed.


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I called WF and they are doing the same thing, will put a temporary credit
 in my acct for the disputed amount, then the whole dispute process takes
 45-90 days (!!).  I gave them all his info, she didn't really seem to care
 to have it or not, I guess they just bang on his account or something.

 It was fairly easy after going through their phone hell and being advised
 NSA was listening to our conversation for training purposes.  [CAN YOU
 HEAR ME NOW  TRENT IS A TERRORIST]

 --R (hoping Trent gets a visit from some guys in black Suburbans with
 blacked-out windows)


 On 6/18/13 8:46 AM, WILTON wrote:

 Obviously, I was too anxious to have some good news and misunderstood the
 notations on my USAA credit card account last night that seemed to indicate
 that Trent had refunded the $267.79.  A first confirmation call to USAA
 this morning confirmed that he had.  A second call to them to rescind the
 dispute/investigation initiated a week ago confirmed that he HAS NOT
 INITIATED a refund, but still may do so.  Meanwhile, USAA applied a
 temporary credit to my account, and the investigation remains in effect.

 Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] At this time Trent is a thief

[Brian Toscano]

If you're only looking for your money back, I would just contact the card
issuer and tell them it is a fraudulent charge because you never received
your merchandise.  With a credit card there should be an immediate credit
while they investigate and many/most credit card companies offer $0
liability.  With a debit card, your liability could be higher and getting a
credit could take longer.  I believe with debit cards it is often $50
within 30 days of your statement, $500 within 60 days of your statement,
and after 60 days no credit.  This is the minimum set by the government,
your individual financial institution could offer more protection.



On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote:

 On Jun 17, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

  Debit card, the order hit my bank acct almost immediately after placing
 the order.


 Never, never, never, never purchase anything online or over the phone with
 a debit card. NEVER. It is my understanding that you do not have the same
 level of consumer protection with a debit card that you do with a credit
 card.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[Brian Toscano]

I agree, but just because it won't happen doesn't mean I shouldn't think of
what I'd like to happen.



On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Brian wrote:
  I wish I paid a fraction of what I do in taxes and the welfare folks got
  off their lard asses and did something productive.
 
  I think the ILLEGAL immigrants should be convicted felons and sent back
  where they came from.  BECAUSE THEY BROKE THE THE LAW.

 In principle, none of these will ever happen - the gap between any of
 your ideas and reality - it is lalaland dream only.  We need to do
 what we can as individuals to do what is necessary rather than sit on
 our wringing hands and wonder when them folks in DC will ever get
 around to managing things.  None of these things can be managed by DC
 - they know it, they feed off the anxiety and wringing hands.  We are
 being played.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[Brian Toscano]

other sketchy things?

Does that mean you're minimizing the issue of illegal immigrants so as to
say I shouldn't be concerned the government looks the other way with these
ILLEGALS WHO BROKE THE LAW?

While they may work harder than lard ass Americans, that doesn't make it
right.  The lard ass Americans should work!

Welfare is often a waste of tax money.  Paying food stamps for people to
sell them at the entrance to the grocery store.. For people to have more
kids to have more drug money... and for people who keep making mistakes.




On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 Actually, I suspect most of these illegal aliens (the accurate term) are
 better Americans than a lot of the folks born here.  And by better
 Americans I mean folks who value liberty and opportunity over safety and
 security.  I'm pretty conservative on most issues but when it comes to
 guest workers I'll take Catholic Hispanics over middle-east Muslims any
 day.  Nothing against such individuals but there is a track record there,

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Darren
 Marshall
 Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 10:03 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

 So many other sketchy things happening with your tax dollars...

 and so many illegals are working 'undesirable' jobs, not living in any
 remote sense of luxury, just trying to support their families... and when
 caught either guided to legal status, or ousted.

 Welfare on the other hand is a system that seems easy to game, but god
 forbid you ever had to claim it--you'd be glad it was there.

 I try to steer away from making too many assumptions about things like
 this,
 and you're certainly entitled to your opinion

 but these issues I think are embellished, given the spotlight to enjoy
 public circular debate, while Sam spends endless tax payer dollars on
 things
 you'll never know about or vote on...

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 http://bowtruss.com




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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D injection Pump - possible failure of used pump.

[Brian Toscano]

I would just ask him if there's a chance the pump is 180 out.  Mistakes
happen even for someone who's done a hundred pumps.



On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:

 Sure..I would try diesel purge and check pump timing.

 Mike
 On Jun 15, 2013 3:26 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

  One more question:
  If a previously working IP sat in a box for ten years, would it be
  possible to have a delivery valve or two stick open when you put in on an
  engine?
 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!

[Brian Toscano]

If you don't want to bother with pressure bleeding, drip bleeding will
probably be fine.



On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:32 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 New brakes, you should change out the fluid with new. Brake fluid degrades
 with use.

 Now is a good time.
 Grant...


 On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

  You may be right, I hate to spend all the money on a master cylinder and
  not need to...
 
  I need to get some more fluid and try again. This time I'll buy a quart.
 
  -Curt
 
  Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 09:23:42 -0700
  From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D brakes ARRGH!
  Message-ID:
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  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
  Curt,
 
  I'll bet that you still have air in the line. Did you start the reverse
  bleed at the longest line, then the next longest, etc?
 
  Air acts as a spring since it can be compressed. If there is a section
 of
  the brake line what has fluid before the bubble and after the bubble
  [like from the master cylinder] that air will compress enough to feel
  like you have brake pressure then when released, expand and push the
 fluid
  back to the master... next peddle push, you start pushing fluid all over
  again..
 
  Suggest you take some fluid out of the master tank and pump from the
 bleed
  screw again..
  Or, if you have a spare electric fuel pump lying around... attach some
 barb
  fittings and clear hose to it and let it do the work while you watch the
  master tank for bubbles [you will see them as they are pushed up].
 
  In any case, hope it sorts out for you.
 
  Grant...
 
 
  On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
 
   Used Grant's method to bleed the rear brakes on my '84 190D today. I
 wish
   I could say it worked perfectly but it didn't.
  
   I *think* yesterday's efforts to tag-team the bleeding (with Angie's
  help)
   may have cost me in the long run. Right now if I pump the brakes
 they'll
   build pressure and work fine until I release and try again at which
 point
   they're back to bottom of the throw. The fronts still work fine but the
   pedal is bottom of the barrel.
  
   I *think* this means the MC needs replacing, what say you?
  
   -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] starving youngsters

[Brian Toscano]

As long as people have the NFL and NASCAR they won't revolt.



On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 If it's worthless then why all the fuss? You can't have it both ways.
 On Jun 12, 2013 12:20 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

   If it's so worthless then you won't miss it.  Please deposit all your

  worthless currency into my Paypal account.


  Hm.
  Much as i dislike willard (Mit romnskey), seems to me that he donated
 more
   to charitable causes than bummer, the veep, billybob, pillary, and
 whoever
  was billybobs' veep all put together.  Now what was that about liberals
  wanting to share. Oh yes they want to share YOUR money (they
 confiscate
  at gunpoint), but never part with theirs!

Andrew's point is spoken like a true liberal.  Gimme YOUR money!
  


 THe worthless currency is immaterial.  If it is not greenbacks, it will be
 milk, eggs, grain, lumber metal, firstborn or whatever you can think of to
 confiscate under force....  until the natives storm the bastile.

 History is replete with example both of items confiscated as well as with
 the natives deciding enough is enough and toppling the offenders.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[Brian Toscano]

I agree with Scott''s post about the younger generation wanting everything
now.  I was just thinking about this yesterday before I read this email.
 Back in the 1980's how common was air conditioning?  Back then I'm not
sure credit cards were all the rage either.  Today cash is not needed,
because you can charge your wedding or your Australian vacation on your
credit card and pay the interest until the day you die...  People today
take risk but are in denial about it.  They will pay $100,000 for college
(a risk) with no way to cover the cost (denial about the risk).  This is
more fun than fretting about your problems.  It is a more live for today
society than a live for tomorrow society.




On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:53 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote:

 What Clay said, x2.

 Man up. Get off your collective asses and go to work society. Spend the
 19.7 hrs you now spend each week watching dancing with the stars inventing
 a new device to save the world.

 Take charge of your country, your life, and your future. Love your children
 enough to teach them self reliance and responsibility.  Have a dream and
 work it.

 Know what an elephant is?  A mouse designed and built under government
 contract.

 Grant...


 On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 12:18 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

  Curt, Unless you happen to have resided on this continent prior to 1492,
  your forefathers were risk takers.  Maybe not much by choice if colored,
  but coming here was not for the risk averse.  With the growth of unions
  (Big risk for those trying to organize) the risk averse were made
  comfortable.  Pensions are a thing of our fathers or grandfathers, but
 not
  great grandfathers.  Until the FDR fiasco, life was not for the weak.
   Surviving even through the depression required stamina and a healthy
  undertaking of risk to remain above ground.  WWII required lots of
 comfort
  for risk to willingly dodge bullets.  Moving off the farm to work a
 factory
  job was massive risk, since you left all you knew for a chance at a
 better
  future.
 
  Then the baby boomers came of age.  Lots of drugs, free love, fear of
  Vietnam, coddled by mommy and daddy and expecting to not have to risk
  anything to get ahead.  Go to college, find a job, a spouse, house, cars,
  kids, and have it all delivered to you with little effort.  Snivel about
  nuclear energy, McD food, not having gluten free, free range, organic,
  vegan, locavore tofurkey.
 
  Sure, life has moved to a Nanny state, where we can pander to fear, avoid
  risks, mandate insurance, tell parents they can not smoke in a car in
  Oregon if there are children present, allow our elected leaders to spy on
  us, numb ourselves with reality tv, while we avoid the realities of
  actually living.  A sheltered life is one of fear and risk aversion.
   Living by the vagaries of nature involves risks.  Being stupid enough to
  build a house that will not withstand a tornado in OK, is foolhardy, but
  nobody wants to think about the risk and actually deal with it.
 
  clay
 
 
  On Jun 11, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
 
   I'm gonna call BS here. You're saying our forefathers who worked in
  factories were big risk takers? The guys who worked the same job for
 their
  whole lives and depended on the company's pension? Or go back a couple
  generations to the farm where they lived their whole lives and maybe
 never
  left the county?
  
   Risk takers are always genetic freaks. Everybody said Columbus was
 nuts,
  nothing out there worth sailing to. Same for the first folks who ventured
  west. Benz and Daimler, who would want a vehicle you had to buy gas for?
  
   Humans are not wired to take risks, our pain to pleasure threshold is
  way over on the pleasure side. Heres a simple experiment to prove it.
  Present somebody with a game, you'll flip a coin and if they win you'll
 pay
  them $10, if you win they pay you $1.
   Everybody will play that game right? You'd be an idiot not to
  
   Then change it to if they win you pay $5 if you win they pay $1. Now
  most everybody will still play but some people (the super risk averse)
 will
  drop.
  
   Now change it to $2/$1 and most people will drop. This is nuts on 100
  flips of the coin they should get around $100 while only paying $50, they
  almost can't lose but most people will not take the bet, only the freaks
  do...
  
   -Curt
   Who wishes he was one of the freaks but really isn't...
  
   Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 13:33:10 -0700
   From: clay redgh...@comcast.net
   To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
   Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT
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   Scott, your insight is great, but all the items you tick off really
  devolved to the same entity.  Risk.  The youth and Baby boomers are
 really
  risk averse as a whole.  There are many who are job creators, who have
  gambled 

Re: [MBZ] Tools - Sorting Allen (Hex) Wrenches

[Brian Toscano]

You could buy a tool holder that is sized accordingly with sizes clearly
labeled on the holder. That solves both the identification and storage
problem.  Or replace with bits/keys that have the size stamped on them.


On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:19 AM, Kevin Kraly kevinpadd...@gmail.com wrote:

 I had a hanging tool rack with lots of different holes in it.  As I built
 up more of the stacking small parts chests that line the back of my
 workbench, I had to put the wrenches/drivers in a drawer.  It's so much
 harder to find the right size.  I like your idea!  I could even integrate
 it into the side of my bench.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Re: best chain saw NOW Angel Oak

[Brian Toscano]

Why do the branches appear to touch/come very close to the ground?

Not like the Live Oaks I see in Savannah, etc.


On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 4:58 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Would ya, could ya send me coupla its acorns?

 Wilton

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  The deal with the photoshoot is that this guy takes pics of nekkid people
 in various locations communing with nature, and then sells the photos and I
 think he has some books or something.  They are not untasteful once you get
 past some of the nekkid folks who probably shouldn't be, but to each
 his/her own...

 They organized the thing for an early Sunday morning, I think the park
 was actually open (the site is part of the Parks Dept) and there were a few
 people there, to whom they explained what was going to happen so they could
 stay or go or whatever.  I think someone got upset and went and called the
 cops, or maybe the cops had wind of it since so many showed up so quickly.
  The po-pos acted fools, basically created a problem where there was none,
 or a small one or something.  Now the tree is back down a dirt road about a
 half mile, in the woods, nothing else visible anywhere but trees, so it's
 not like it was out in public even though it was in a public park. But in
 the great scheme of things, it was kinda minimal, at least to my view of
 things.  I think I might have known it was going to happen, and thought
 about riding my bike over there (about 10mi from the house, but sometimes I
 park over close there to ride on Wadmalaw Island which is just down the
 road).  I didn't or my friend who organized it (and who did not get nekkid,
 she explained it lamely at some point) probably would have made me shuck my
 lycra and join in. The other girl in the video I know probably would have
 worked on me too (though hanging around would have been pleasant but might
 have had some unseemly results...).

 The Angel Oak is the largest tree east of the sequoias in CA, it is not
 known how old it is, some say 1400 years, some say maybe a few hundred.
 There was a scheme to build a bunch of apartment buildings close by, I
 think we have managed to stop that, the developer went bankrupt and I think
 the conservation trust people are buying the land to add to the park, so
 that is good.

 The tree was a gathering place for a long time for the local blacks, back
 when they were slaves then later after the Late Unpleasantness.  It has a
 spot in the history of Johns Island, and a lot of the old Gullah folk
 remember going there as children for picnics and meetings and such, the
 white folks sorta left them alone in that regard, out of respect for the
 tree and what it symbolizes.

 If any of you are ever in the Charleston area it is definitely worth a
 visit, it is a natural treasure for all of us, and quite amazing to see. I
 meant to go over there and collect some acorns last fall and never did,
 will have to do that this year and plant some in pots to see if I can grow
 some baby angels.

 --R



 On 5/15/13 5:28 PM, WILTON wrote:

 BTW, Rich, how old is the tree?

 Wilton

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  I inhabit a very different universe, free of inappropriate nekkid butts,
 pale or otherwise. You have my sympathy.

 Ry
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  Rich, is that you there in the ---, or are you the one with the white
 butt? ;)

 Wilton

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  A bunch of them are fat and have ponytails and beards of some sort,
 and

 ride loud Harleys in packs for reasons I do not understand, and maybe
 shoot
 guns, so yeah, but we were talking about tree-huggers.

 We had a bunch of nekkid tree huggers at the Angel Oak here on my
 island,
 a friend of mine organized  the event, but did not get nekkid, which
 was
 probably A Good Thing.  They did not make much noise but apparently
 the
 po-pos did.

 http://www.**charlestoncitypap**er.com/**charleston/first-**
 look-the-**http://charlestoncitypaper.com/**charleston/first-look-the-**
 angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?oid=3391208http://www.**
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 angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?**oid=3391208http://www.charlestoncitypaper.com/charleston/first-look-the-angel-oak-nude-shoot/Content?oid=3391208
 

 Here's a vid, I know one of the 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Starving Youngsters: was 44 years OT

[Brian Toscano]

People like big government and socialism because it means they don't have
to come to terms with the denial and short term thinking.

I wish I paid a fraction of what I do in taxes and the welfare folks got
off their lard asses and did something productive.

I think the ILLEGAL immigrants should be convicted felons and sent back
where they came from.  BECAUSE THEY BROKE THE THE LAW.

Obama still hasn't sent me a check for supporting a mortgage on a home that
lost value.  Guess I should have let it go into foreclosure or short sale?
 My ethics won't let me do that  My neighbors over mortgaged their
house, bought a $40K truck and now live a mama's house down the street.

Fiscal conservatives are in the minority.  It's a shame.



On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote:

 Brian wrote:
  This is more fun than fretting about your problems.  It is a more live
 for today society than a live for tomorrow society.
 

 Yabbuttt...
 The live for today society is failing to consider many aspects related
 to live for today.  Stress and worry take their toll on people.
 Without debt, some stress happens but it might be less than with debt.
 Responsibility is what is needed rather than live for today.  Live for
 today is all Beatles/Jethro Tull/Grateful Dead/Rolling Stones/Bob
 Dylan/etc. - the fruits of those efforts are probably more live for
 today society than we want to analyze or admit.
 Perhaps if more of us could deny our need to consume we might arrive
 at the reality that we can live like JFK gave us - Ask not what your
 country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.  If the
 govt does all the terrorist, tax, war, security, banking, education,
 legislative, medical, social - we need more government at costs that
 nobody is willing to want.  Therefore, we need to step up to
 responsibility and take care of many of these things as local
 individuals together.  These things have been done by individuals
 together in the past - no reason we can't do it again, but we don't -
 live for today society rules.  Sound too Ayn Rand? - maybe, but it
 should sound more like DIY
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Re: [MBZ] Parts dealers

[Brian Toscano]

I got a fraudulent $800 charge on my credit card from Parts Geek.  Strange.



On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote:


 Thanks, Dave.  Might try Rockauto.
 Gerry

  There are a handful of vendors who will not pay return shipping even if
 they screw up and ship an incorrect part. Partsgeek is one of them. That
 attitude alone keeps me away regardless of price.

 Dave
 SoCal


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  I've ordered several parts from PartsGeek which is in New Jersey.  Their
 prices seem to be fair and they have a wide selection of brands; at least
 on my 300D engine mounts; 6 brands including Lemfordner at $22.xx.
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Re: [MBZ] From wet to dry ...

[Brian Toscano]

The inter-mountain West is semi-arid or desert.

The dirt in your front yard can be sand.




On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote:

 Georgetown Traditions: What's A Hoya?
 The origins of the word Hoya defy simple explanation. Over the years,
 some
 have claimed it is an Indian word, while those of a legal mind thought it
 related to the French word oyez, the traditional opening of judicial
 sessions. Still others held that with Georgetown's location along a river,
 Hoya might be an offshoot of the nautical ahoy. None of these claims have
 held water, so to speak.
 The official explanation holds that there was a baseball team at Georgetown
 called the Stonewalls. It is suggested that a student, applying Greek and
 Latin, dubbed the team the hoia saxa-- hoia is the Greek neuter plural for
 what or what a, while saxa is the Latin neuter plural for rock.
 Substituting a y for an i; hoya saxa literally means what rocks.
 To this day, however, no one has proven exactly when and under what
 circumstances the yell originated. While there was a Stonewalls team
 between
 1866 and 1873, an actual reference to the team is pure speculation. Some
 have held that hoia saxa referred not to the team but its surroundings--the
 team's field (the present site of Copley Lawn) was bounded by the College
 Walls along 37th street. One theory holds that words such as saxa (Latin
 for
 rocks) were scribbled on the walls for years and a similar phrase may
 have
 simply been adopted by fans of the baseball team.
 The Hoya yell gained additional attention in 1920. In that year, a
 fledgling
 student newspaper known as The Hilltopper petitioned Rev. Coleman Nevils,
 S.J., Dean of the College, to change its name to The HOYA, a name said to
 be
 more representative of the University. Nevils, who had championed naming
 the
 Holy Cross student paper The Hoia without success in 1916,
 enthusiastically approved the change.
 As the college paper was often cited by sportswriters covering Georgetown
 sports in the 1920's, it took only a few years for a nickname to be born.
 By
 the fall of 1928, a HOYA sportswriter began to refer to the football team
 as
 the Hoyas rather than its contemporary nickname of the Hilltoppers. The
 change was picked up by local writers as basketball season began, and Hoyas
 became the official Georgetown nickname within a few years.
 Among all college programs, only Georgetown University holds this unique
 team nickname to which its students, faculty, alumni, and fans can take
 pride in. But the Hoya yell did find its way into the fight songs of two
 other Jesuit colleges: Holy Cross' Hoiah, Holy Cross, and Marquette's
 Ring Out Ahoya. Each appears to have its roots, however distant, in the
 yell begun on a college yard many years ago. In short, Hoya may be
 difficult to define, but its tradition endures.

 And that's what it's all about.

  
 http://www.hoyasaxa.com/**sports/hoia.htmhttp://www.hoyasaxa.com/sports/hoia.htm

 Gerry
 ..**...

  'Been wondering that, myself.
 Wilton

  Loren, where *do* you get this hoya stuff as a synonym for B.S.?


 Don't have time for the story where I got the word, but as alex surmises
 it stands for the S part of BS, but is not gender specific, and applies
 only to large N.A mammals  Cattle, Bison and horse specifically.

 It was a story told at scout camp many years ago, and involves the gummit
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of batteries/ratchets

[Brian Toscano]

Does this mean the quality of Craftsman parts is improving?

About 10 years ago there was a night and day difference between Snap On and
Craftsman.



On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 5:34 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Thu, 30 May 2013 19:15:03 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

  I have a bunch of Crapsman ratchets, and all are in good shape.
 
  It has been my experience that if you take a ratchet in for
  replacement, unless there is something physically wrong with it, like a
  broken handle, they used to give you a rebuilt kit of sorts, with new
  innards.

 That's been my experience, too.


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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of batteries/ratchets

[Brian Toscano]

Yeah, the older Craftsman tools seem much better quality.  It's a shame.


On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Brian Toscano wrote:

 Does this mean the quality of Craftsman parts is improving?

 About 10 years ago there was a night and day difference between Snap On
 and
 Craftsman.


 It's a special line of Craftsman, where a single 1/2 ratchet costs $80
 instead of getting a 155pc set of 1/4-3/8-1/2 for $150 or on sale for
 $80.

 The regular Craftsman stuff, what I bought a few years ago isn't as nice
 as what I bought in the 1980s, and what I bought in the 1980s doesn't feel
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Re: [MBZ] Most favorite cars

[Brian Toscano]

What's wrong with Subaru's?  I don't think they're just for liberals or
lesbians.  Where I used to live all the kayakers used to have them and now
I see all kinds of people have them.  Old Subaru Outback Legacy's.  Great
for all wheel drive which is perfect for people in hilly or mountainous
areas.  And we all know that Republicans also live in hilly and mountainous
areas.  They would have AWD/4WD of some sort


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:37 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 The Forester is the biggest offender. Prius is not much better.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 21, 2013, at 12:10 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 
  On May 19, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 
  On May 19, 2013 3:50 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  Scarborough Research found the
  top ten
 
  1 Subaru
  2 VW
  3 Suzuki
 
  Immediately suspect data, since Suzuki has sold so few cars here the
 last
  few years that they've given up on the US market.
   Alex
 
  You can tell they only polled young flamin liberals.  #1 subaru... also
 the #1 car plastered with peloski, ohope(less), biteme, save the forest,
 bicycle, save the whales/seals/bear/toads/whatnot, coexist, and countless
 bumper stickers from top to bottom and often on the sides.
 
  also the #1 car for young perfessers of liberal arts etc.
 
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of batteries

[Brian Toscano]

I buy batteries from Auto Zone.  They seem to be fine without any hassles.
 Can be done on your lunch break.  Don't even need a receipt, they just
look it up on their computer so if you bought it 2000 miles away NP.



On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:30 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote:

 you can buy 10 of these at HF for the price of one scrap on
 http://www.harborfreight.com/**1-2-half-inch-extendable-**
 ratchet-98831.htmlhttp://www.harborfreight.com/1-2-half-inch-extendable-ratchet-98831.html
 It is one for each vehicle, one for home, one for garage and one for the
 lake cabin (or camp for NEers) and a couple spares.



  On Thu, 30 May 2013 16:36:40 -0400 dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

   Some Horror Fright power tools are good. I bought a right angle grinder
  for $8 and have used it hard. It still works great.

  The premium line of Cman ratchets are excellent and USA made but quite
  pricey.


 http://m.sears.com/**productdetails.dopartNumber=**
 00925482000Ppartnumber=**00925482000Phttp://m.sears.com/productdetails.dopartNumber=00925482000Ppartnumber=00925482000P


 Item#: 00925482000P
 Model#: 25482

 Reg Price: $79.99
 Savings: $8.00
 Online Price: $71.99*


   Still much less than Strap On:)


 http://buy1.snapon.com/**catalog/item.asp?P65=tool=**
 item_ID=651220group_ID=**683068store=snapon-storedir=**cataloghttp://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=tool=item_ID=651220group_ID=683068store=snapon-storedir=catalog

 ItemQty Price**
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 $149.95

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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of batteries/ratchets

[Brian Toscano]

Bummer.

I buy Snap On for anything I use regularly that's less than 1-1/2.

Snap On 5-27 mm just fits better, better ratchets, and eBay has a steady
supply of Snap On tools.  What's the cost of bloody knuckles because the
Craftsman 27 mm keeps falling off the crank damper?

If I'm in a hurry I buy direct, they don't charge shipping.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

[Brian Toscano]

For those of us without a blacksmith or welding shop, the burn pile works
great.


On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:

 Look on craigslist in your area.  They are plentiful in good running order
 for $300 or less here.

 A note: Been pretty hard on the little Merry Mac lately chipping green
 maple.  Pulled the blade out of it to touch up the edge and found a crack
 in a thinner part of the big chipper wheel.  Not a hard fix, just split it
 in half and weld it up when I get a minute.  That explains the fighting
 with it to chip right lately..the wheel was flexing where the bade
 mounts.

 So, in short, if you get a small machine and work it hard be prepared for
 maintenence on a daily basis.

 Oh, had to tighten up bolts that hold on carb and now muffler bolts are
 loose.  Will get to them when fixing the wheel.

 Mike
 On May 27, 2013 11:13 PM, Hendrik and fay heni...@gmail.com wrote:

  What about second hand?
 
  Hendrik
  who fixed the shredder the other day
 
  On 27/05/13 07:49, OK Don wrote:
 
  Thanks all ---
 
  SWMBO wants leaves chopped up for the compost heap, and branches chipped
  for walks/mulching.
  It doesn't sound like the cheap units are up to the tasks, and the good
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Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone

[Brian Toscano]

Then it should come out of the DoD budget.



On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:

 Is that when they made those huge tunnels?  Been through them..kinda
 scary.

 Mike
 On May 27, 2013 1:46 PM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 wrote:

  Read up on Boston's Big Dig
 
  --R
 
 
  On 5/27/13 12:06 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
 
  On 26/05/2013 7:51 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
 
  Dieselhead wrote:
 
   Accidents are caused by enginerrors. (generally with no practical
  experience with materials, machining, service and repair.)
 
 
  Or by cheating contractors building below spec.
 
  Mitch.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - Chipper/Shreaders

[Brian Toscano]

little units arent going to compare to commercial.  best for twigs.


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 8:08 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 OK Don wrote:

 We are in the market for a used Chipper'Shreader (or new if used are not
 feasable). The few that I've found with reasonable prices on Craigslist do
 not get glowing reports when I search for parts availability.
 Does anyone have experience with these? What are your opinions?
 The two that look best (with the exception of the complaints on variuos
 forums) are:
 Troy-Bilt Super Tomahawk Chipper/Shredder with 8hp Briggs  Stratton
 engine

 and

 Renegade 250.8 chipper shredder. The unit has the 8 HP Briggs and Stratton
 engine



 Sometimes it's easier to turn them into ashes, which make decent
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Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone

[Brian Toscano]

The Hood Canal Bridge is an unfortunate accident (as was Galloping Gertie).
 Would you have not built the bridge in the first place and let people take
US 101 around?  That seems like the best option to me.  Hard to justify
that kind of expense for the Olympic Peninsula which is low in population
and opportunity even with the bridge.



On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 2:41 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 You would think, but the folks out here allow the Goobermint to put toll
 on its own roads that they have underfunded and mis-engineered.   Then you
 get to pay thrice the initial cost.  Or it gets bogged down in design and
 review committee for decades until there is not money left in the till to
 build it.

 See - Galloping Gertie, Hood Canal Bridge, I-90 floating bridge.

 The socialist agenda wants more cash spent on publishing goobermint papers
 in 40 tongues of the illegal migrant, or to feed and house the miscreant
 youth of the illegals, crack babies, liberal arts graduates, organic pharma
 and agribusiness.  Build a park instead of making the neighborhood safer,
 then have to hire armed patrols to wander the place once the number of
 assaults explodes in the park, along with illicit drug and sexual
 activities taking place in front of the children

 clay


 On May 26, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

  Repairing the people's infrastructure with your tax dollars is as
  socialistic a concept as they come.
 
  The right wing (conservative) approach would privatize the bridge and
  have the capitalist owner fund maintenance exenses through tolls
 collected
  from users of the bridge.
 
 
  On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 4:16 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
 
  In washington we are not allowed to use money on infrastructure.  It is
  only possible to use for socialist agendas or to engage in utterly
  incompetent engineering that results in massive screw ups to require
  excessive de-fornicating and huge burn rates to remedy
 
  clay
 
 
  On May 24, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
 
  Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com writes:
 
  Use google maps to see this bridge accident from earlier today at
 Skagit
  River.  The bridge is already gone at google maps.  Interesting...
 
  Remember how all the stimulus money was supposed to go to shovel ready
  jobs to fix our crumbling bridges?
 
  Who is surprised that didn't happen?
 
  --
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Re: [MBZ] OT - I-5 State of Washington bridge - gone

[Brian Toscano]

I think Clay's point may have been that engineer mistake = accident and
everything else is negligence.



On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Max meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote:

 Or by simple lack of maintenance and postponed repairs.
 --
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 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Dieselhead wrote:
 
  Accidents are caused by enginerrors.  (generally with no practical
  experience with materials, machining, service and repair.)
 
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 fan clutch

[Brian Toscano]

Looks like the pulley holder for the 603.



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 On Wed, 15 May 2013 12:39:20 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote:

  I'm talking about my S500, so that is the M119.
 
  Is there a place for a pin or something to lock the pulley?

 Dan,

 I have attached section 20-3120 of the CD manual.

 On the M119, there apparently is no place for a pin or something to lock
 the pulley like on the M104.

 Instead a special tool, 603 589 00 40 00, is slipped over the edge of the
 fan pulley and the serpentine belt. The same tool is used for the M119 in
 the 124, the 129, and the 140. The M119 in the 210 is different.

 The section for the 140 is on page 3 of the attached file.
 The special tools are shown on page 4 of the attached file.


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Re: [MBZ] Low Oil Pressure W124 2.5 Turbo Diesel

[Brian Toscano]

if oil pressure is low at idle take the oil filler cap off and see how much
blow by you have.



On Fri, May 17, 2013 at 10:12 PM, Chris James c_ja...@gmx.com wrote:

 OM60x Min specs I believe are: 0.3 bar at idle and at least 3 bar at
 3000 rpm. Not sure what a 2.5 runs @ 60. 2200 RPM? So as long as it's
 pegged by 80 your OK! :-)


 Seriously though, from browsing the archive I'd replace both
 the o-rings  oil filter to rule out any sealing/gasket issues. IF that
 doesn't change anything you need to explore furtherbad relief valves
 (filter and/or pump), worn oil pump, pickup screen blockages ect

 Good luck!


 On 5/17/2013 8:32 PM, Rick Knoble wrote:

 I changed the sender out today. No change. Will do the o-rings
 tomorrow. I hope I haven't done any damage by running it with low
 oil pressure.

 Rick


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Re: [MBZ] best chainsaw

[Brian Toscano]

Stihl makes a 460 Rescue with a diamond tipped chain designed for cutting
anything diamonds will.. you know for the fire departments, etc.



On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 You haven't seen those things?  Guys on the pipe-laying crews use them,
 they have diamond blades for concrete, all kinds of cutting implements
 driven off a chainsaw motor/chassis/whatever it is.  The metal ones make
 some serious sparks, very cool stuff.

 --R



 On 5/18/13 1:27 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Really? Are u pulling my leg?

 Sent from my iPhone

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 constructivity.net richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

  There is an attachment that has an abrasive cutoff wheel instead of the
 bar and chain.  Get that and yer good ta go.  Or steal one off a fire truck.

 --R


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 Can I use a chain saw to cut up cars at a junkyard instead of my
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Re: [MBZ] (buymbparts)....facebook.

[Brian Toscano]

There is nothing wrong with PBR.

When you see hipsters drinking Milwaukee's Best then start questioning
things.  Milwaukee's Best ain't bad if its ICE cold.



On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 Above Colt 45?

 --R


 On 5/11/13 11:35 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

 The first largest is the entire population of the city of Detroit.

 Mike
 On May 11, 2013 11:11 AM, Rich Thomas 
 richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 wrote:

  The second or third largest purveyor of PBR in the country is a little
 dump in Chucktown called The Recovery Room which is across the road
 from
 the medical university.  Talk about a contradiction.

 --R


 On 5/10/13 7:55 PM, Darren Marshall wrote:

  PBR's marketing firm would call them influencers


 Darren Marshall
 http://doejo.com
 http://bowtruss.com

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 constructivity.net 
 richthomas79TD300@**constructivity.netrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 wrote:

   It's really funny all the hipsters these days are drinking PBR, which

 was pissbeer back when I got introduced to it, and it still is.  Also
 can
 give you a wicked headache.

 I was at the grocery a coupla weeks ago and this hipster in the full
 getup is carrying a 12 of PBR out of the store, and I was so tempted to
 tell him what a dumbass he was, but figured it wouldn't matter.

 --(notPB)R


 On 5/10/13 10:58 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

  I don't care much for beer but a Natty light sure used to taste good
 after
 a hot and sticky Alabama work day.  Guess they tasted good any time of
 the
 day in AL.  Must have been the company I kept.

 Mike
 On May 10, 2013 5:40 AM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:

   Aah PBR.. Right down there with red white and blue and perhaps natty

 (boh).

 Oh wait, we aren't typing about cheap American beer... (Btw I don't
 think
 natty boh tastes any better in Baltimore)

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   Hendrik and fay wrote:

 These days http://www.buymbparts.com/ is another one of those sites

  that wants to sell bling instead of quality parts.
 This is what came up looking for an 89 Benz
 http://www.buymbparts.com/E-Class/Brakes/Brake-Pads/http://www.buymbparts.com/E-**Class/Brakes/Brake-Pads/
 http:**//www.buymbparts.com/E-Class/**Brakes/Brake-Pads/http://www.buymbparts.com/E-Class/Brakes/Brake-Pads/
 
 The $110 pads show a picture of a PBR box, but the description
 doesn't

  say PBR.

  The rest are names I've never heard of.

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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Brian Toscano]

Head light switches, Brake switches, general engine fires, gas tanks, ...

Ford sells automobiles not safety. - McNamara when questioned about seat
belts



On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:57 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote:

 Well, the headlight switch didn't cause this one.

 Mike
 On May 8, 2013 1:35 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.com wrote:

  After all these years Ford still can't make a car that doesn't burn to
 the
  ground.
 
 
  On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   Yep.  Sure enough a Lincoln Town Car.
  
   Mike
   On May 5, 2013 8:04 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:
  
Ford town car
   
clay
   
On May 5, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
   
 Can anyone identify the make of this limo from what's left of the
  back
end? Chrysler?
 Gerry


   
  
 
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Re: [MBZ] 5 Women die in burning limo

[Brian Toscano]

After all these years Ford still can't make a car that doesn't burn to the
ground.


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 Yep.  Sure enough a Lincoln Town Car.

 Mike
 On May 5, 2013 8:04 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

  Ford town car
 
  clay
 
  On May 5, 2013, at 1:59 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:
 
   Can anyone identify the make of this limo from what's left of the back
  end? Chrysler?
   Gerry
  
  
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Speeding and revenue

[Brian Toscano]

Tax laws are made by Congress.  Some point to consider are that flat tax
rates such as sales taxes are regressive and hurt the poor.  Taxes that
make everyone pay the same overall percentage of income are preferred but
tricky.

For example, the per gallon gas tax is the same for someone living on
minimum wage as they are for a rich person.  Therefore the percentage of
income is higher for the minimum wage worker.

Also higher income earners often pay less as a percentage than the middle
class.

Does Mitt Romney contribute 6% of his wages to the social security fund?




On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote:

 You project an admiration for the Saudi approach to justice.  Does this
 tempt you to to move to Riyadh?  Perhaps you could consult and perusade
 them to sever/display noses or other parts of the human anatomy in a never
 ending quest to deter crime...

 On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote:

  I actually saw hands hanging in the town square when I worked in Saudi
  Arabia. They evidently believed in advertising their punishments. A
  gruesome and often effective persuasion method.  Of course, the fact that
  there were multiple hands shows not everyone was as impressed as I was
 ...
 ;-)
 
  A nose - now that might get their attention!
 
  LarryT
 
  On 5/6/2013 12:07 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
 
  Ah, yes. Are you proposing that we impose s_ law???
 
  However, we voted those theives into office --- who's to blame???
 
 
  On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
   Time to cut off their hands (or is it noses in Larry's example?) There
  is
   historical precedent for cutting off the hand of thieves.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Headgasket?

[Brian Toscano]

Pull the head, if its not cracked do a head gasket.  If it is cracked, part
out or scrap the car.


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 3:46 PM, John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net wrote:

 There is another (odd!) mode of failure; I had a 617 weep out of the
 passenger side of the head/block interface when the engine got good and
 hot.  I attribute it to the DPO putting green in the radiator.

 I finally noticed the yellowish trails down the side of the block from the
 stuff left behind by evaporation.

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 On May 1, 2013, at 19:59, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

  So how do I at home troubleshoot a blown headgasket?
 
  Driving to work yesterday my '78 240D started to heat up in heavy
 traffic, once I was moving it was okay, I cranked the heat which blew hot
 and got it to work.
  At lunch I added maybe a quart of coolant which brought it up to just
 below the neck of the radiator.
 
  On the way home the temp started to rise, again in heavy traffic, so I
 pulled over and added (fortunately I'd left the cap loose) most of a
 gallon(!) of water. I got home but the temp would tend to creep up (slowly)
 if I stood still. When I got home I got most of another gallon(!) of water
 into it...
 
  Today Angie went to take it to work and it started to heat up again
 after not much distance. In playing with it I find I can put coolant it but
 it bubbles right out of the neck of the radiator again.
 
  Playing some more I put my mity-vac on the overflow port, put my palm
 (with rubber gloves on) over the fill hole and dragged the radiator down to
 10 of Hg which compressed the upper radiator hose good and didn't seem to
 leak out other than where it leaked around my hand and around the mity-vac.
 
  As another point I can't get hot air out of the heater...
 
  I have 2 current theories:
 
  #1. The headgasket is toast. Since the car is fairly rusty this means
 the car is toast, its not worth a headgasket.
 
  #2. The thermostat has stuck shut but this doesn't explain coolant
 bubbling out of the radiator neck...
 
  No rising oil level, no white plume out the back, no excessive coolant
 smell out either the back or in the oil.
 
  Angie wants to buy a diesel Jetta, I don't want that big car payment but
 I'm tired of screwing around with cars and I guess if it came down to a
 Ford Fiesta I'd prefer the Jetta although I should go drive one before I
 say that.
 
  -Curt
 
  -Curt
 
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Re: [MBZ] Dealers/stealers

[Brian Toscano]

When I bought a new VW Jetta TDI in 2000 it was a very good experience
also.  I had worked up the numbers I thought would be a reasonable
discount.  The first offer from the dealer was even lower than that so I
just said there somewhat dumbfounded and asked for some more off that.  The
salesman said, we can do that.  Done deal.  I wrote them a check and they
let me drive the car away.

I bought it was diesel was $2.00/gallon (cough, cough) and another dealer
was saying nobody would buy a diesel when its this high.


On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:30 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 That part was a striking difference between the VW dealer (same as the
 toymotor dealer) and the Ford dealer - they didn't even offer anything else
 - just cranked the paper and we were out of there.

 On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

  That's why I'll never again buy a car from a dealer unless they guarantee
  I won't have to listen to one word from a 'Finance Manager'.
 
  Mitch.
 
 
 


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Re: [MBZ] Wheel Balancing -- '87 300SDL

[Brian Toscano]

Worn spindles and bearings could also be suspect.  Rotating parts are more
likely to cause vibrations than non-rotating parts.  Worn front ends are
more likely to cause irregular tire wear.


On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

 still become unbalanced quickly.  I am assuming it is the balance as the
 wobble/vibration is felt in the steering wheel mostly.  What else would
 cause this other than balancing.


 My vote is something loose that is not keeping the wheel stable,
 perhaps allowing it to wiggle our bounce and thus induce uneven wear
 into the tire that sets it in more permanently.  Loose parts, worn
 shocks, etc.  This assumes, of course, that each time (with new tires)
 it starts out acceptable and gets worse prematurely.  Bum tires is, of
 course, #1 on the list.

 -- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] Wheel Balancing -- '87 300SDL

[Brian Toscano]

That's assuming all the obvious has been looked at - shocks, steering
linkage, etc.



On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 11:52 AM, Brian Toscano brian.tosc...@gmail.comwrote:

 Worn spindles and bearings could also be suspect.  Rotating parts are more
 likely to cause vibrations than non-rotating parts.  Worn front ends are
 more likely to cause irregular tire wear.


 On Thu, May 2, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote:

  still become unbalanced quickly.  I am assuming it is the balance as the
 wobble/vibration is felt in the steering wheel mostly.  What else would
 cause this other than balancing.


 My vote is something loose that is not keeping the wheel stable,
 perhaps allowing it to wiggle our bounce and thus induce uneven wear
 into the tire that sets it in more permanently.  Loose parts, worn
 shocks, etc.  This assumes, of course, that each time (with new tires)
 it starts out acceptable and gets worse prematurely.  Bum tires is, of
 course, #1 on the list.

 -- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners

[Brian Toscano]

Axes are used in some parts of the world.

On Monday, April 29, 2013, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

 I worked with a guy in Portland whose brother killed their dad with a
 hammer.  Another sad case of out-of-control mental illness.  We only read
 of
 the necessity to stop gun violence...as if violence is only half a word.
 Somehow I think that if we were to be able to address the root causes of
 violence it would reduce violence using ALL instruments.  Getting violent
 criminals off the streets would be a good start.

 Greg

 -Original Message-
 From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com javascript:;] On
 Behalf Of Randy
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 Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:13 PM
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The case for banning hammers and registering owners

 On 29/04/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
  Makes up in length/long-winded graphic violence what it lacks in huimor.
 
  BTW, how many hammer-committed homicides were there last year vs. gun
  homicides?
 
 

 We had one locally. A fellow did his wife in with a hammer.
 Don't know if he had a gun.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] AC Compressor

[Brian Toscano]

Rebuilt only if you can put it on the counter of the place you bought it
from when it stops working within the 1 year warranty.


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.netwrote:

 Get a new compressor.  Rusty used to say that the rebuilt were not worth
 it.
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston SC
 '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20

 Jon Agne jonag...@gwi.net wrote:

 Just informed that my compressor is trashed.  I guess it's time to shop
 for a new one along with a dryer, and expansion valve..
 
 Oh well, at least it'll be cool in my car this summer.
 
 Jon
 
 '85 300D
 
 
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