Re: [RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis?

[Philip Williamson]

I would bet that it was a Riv spec, not a Bridgestone spec. 

Philip

On Wednesday, March 13, 2024 at 10:42:10 AM UTC-7 Bernard Duhon wrote:

> My Waterford custom 26 inch rim brake
> The speck sheet said “Atlantis” build
> I always thought they were copying  Riv specs
> Now I know it’s the Bridgestone specs
> Btw that’s my “winter” ride.
> PICT could be down the road from Brian’s ride
>
> Get Outlook for iOS 
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> behalf of Ian A 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 13, 2024 12:24:14 PM
> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: How similar are the Bridgestone Atlantis (1), XO-1, 
> All Rounder, Toyo Atlantis? 
>  
> Tastes have changed. Disc brakes opened up a lot of design options for 
> randonneurs and touring bikes, making real rough stuff much more 
> manageable.  I have no intention of trading in my thin walled rSogn 650b 
> rim brake or my beloved and much abused Marinoni Turismo. But I bought the 
> Marinoni used in 2008 and the rSogn a number of years ago too now. Would I 
> buy the same if starting from scratch today? Not sure about that. I have 
> used the Marinoni for a lot rough stuff style touring and was seriously 
> underbiked in those times (all part of the fun and misery!). If I want to 
> take on the Baja Divide, I know the Marinoni just simply wouldn't be 
> appropriate, but there are many modern disc designs that could handle it 
> with aplomb.
>
> I love my two 26" bikes as well and have been stockpiling rims and even 
> brake pads to keep them in service. There are just so few options left in 
> keeping non-disc 26" bikes on the road, despite it being a versatile, 
> strong, light and awesome wheel size. The same can be said for 650b rim 
> brakes. Sometimes it's just more practical to follow the herd. Sometimes 
> the herd's got a point.
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
>
> On Tuesday, March 12, 2024 at 3:22:57 PM UTC-6 NYCbikeguy wrote:
>
> I'd like to defer this question to all of you knowledgeable riv owners out 
> there- 
> I want to know how these frames evolved, what's different/the same, and 
> are there any modern equivalents in terms of frame geometry? and finally... 
> what's stopping frame builders from building this sort of cross between 
> road/MTB on 26 inch wheels?
>
> pic for enjoyment. (insta @autodidactic_bikemechanic)
>
> [image: IMG_5314.jpg]
>
> Best,
> IY
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Frame Day (the build commences)

[Philip Williamson]

I only know Rule #8 and Rule #5 by heart, and I flout them both.
Except when I don’t.

Philip (surprisingly matchy-matchy on #8) in Sonoma County

On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 8:24:15 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Rule #8 is one of "The Rules" of the Velominati.  It's a somewhat tongue 
> in cheek, somewhat serious group of cyclists who have enumerated Rules of 
> activity and fashion for cycling and for bicycles.  Rule #8 just states 
> that the handlebars, saddle and tires must be very carefully and 
> deliberately matched, and states that the easiest way to do that is to have 
> the tires, saddle and handlebars all black.  Meditating on a rule is one of 
> the joke-penance things that the Velominati tell people to do.  Meditating 
> on Rule #8 is my attempt at a joke that means my handlebar tape, and 
> saddle, and tires are all going to be black.  
>
> I made good progress yesterday, and spent a bit of extra machine-shop time 
> making custom decorative headset spacers and indeed grinding off the lawyer 
> lips.  I got the cockpit assembled and slowed down/stalled on the brake 
> setup.  There are two parts new and unique about this from my earlier 
> builds.  I am using fancy Jagwire Elite housing, which was a new procedure 
> for me, and I'm using the very elegant Rene Herse cantilever brakes, which 
> have a number of their own idiosyncratic nuances.  I got the front set up, 
> and I stopped there for meditation of my own.  The Flickr album has more 
> shots in it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 16, 2024 at 7:20:01 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Okay, I'll bitewhat is this rule #8 of which you speak?
>>
>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 6:44:14 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> SMH
>>>
>>> Meditate on Rule #8, consider my Legolas, meditate much longer on Rule 
>>> #8, and then recite Rule #8
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 15, 2024 at 3:42:06 PM UTC-8 ttoshi wrote:
>>>
 I'm guessing blue bar tape to match the headbadge!

 Toshi



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[RBW] Re: "Grant hates toe clips."

[Philip Williamson]

I ride flats with pins.
Fixed, technical singletrack, road, commuting. 

I started with clips and plastic straps on mountain bike bear trap pedals, 
then rode SPDs and then Eggbeaters. When my kid was little, I made 
platforms for the eggbeaters by screwing cleats to platforms I cut out of 
old skateboard decks so I could jump on the bike whenever my kid wanted to 
go out for a ride. After riding on these platforms in all kinds of 
conditions, like fixed gear singletrack, I realized I just needed platform 
pedals, and I could retire the eggbeaters and the couture clip-in 
platforms. 

I try to cycle my shoes (mostly Chrome Kursks) from nice, to everyday, to 
bike. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Cal. 



On Sunday, December 24, 2023 at 5:44:43 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> First entry in new Blahg. And no, he doesn't; he reports someone's 
> out-of-context judgment.
>
> But I'm curious how many on this RBW list like and use retention and how 
> many don't; and of the former, how many use toe clips and how many use 
> clipless systems -- and what kind.
>
> I'll start: I rode fast for years and thousands of miles in Keds with 
> thick, soft soles and then rubber-soled lace ups of other sorts on 
> un-clipped rat-trap pedals (and even rubber block pedals) until in about 
> 1990 I got my first relatively expensive road bike (1989 Falcon, tout 531C 
> with Sante group) and decided largely because of bike mag content that I'd 
> better get with the retention program. I started with Bata Bikers and clips 
> and straps, graduated to clips and straps and slotted cleats, then pretty 
> quickly switched to the burgeoning varieties of clipless -- Sampson 
> Stratics, Grafton "Erector Set" road and mtb pedals, Speedplay X1s and 
> Frogs, Looks of various sorts, and finally SPDs, road and mtb (by "road" I 
> mean the ones that came out for about 1 season long long ago with the mtb 
> mechanism). 
>
> A couple of years ago I tried platforms with spikes and no-retention shoes 
> but after about a month of annoyance always shifting my foot to find the 
> right position I gave up and went back to SPDs. I've got SPDs on all my 
> bikes though I've got a very nice set of XC Pros + clips and straps + 
> almost-as-new wood-soled Duegis with cleats that I'd like to try -- I found 
> slotted cleats with semi-tight straps easier with a fixed drivetrain than 
> Look Keos -- except that SPDs are so perfect.
>
> So, I've round that having gotten used to retention I find it very hard to 
> give it up. I daresay that this habituation is stronger since so much of my 
> riding is on fixed drivetrains, but I'd still want at least clips and 
> loose-ish straps with rubber soles for any freewheel drivetrain.
>
> But again, SPDs just feel so perfect that I will probably just stay with 
> them.
>
> Best wishes to all for the Christmas season.
>
> Patrick Moore, finishing up a late resume on Xmas eve in ABQ, NM.
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60 cm Quickbeam

[Philip Williamson]

Hi Joe,
If you search this group for “Quickbeam”, you’ll see that a list member’s 
orange 62cm QB in near perfect condition sold recently on eBay for $1800 
plus $180 shipping. Thats the top of the market, as far as I can tell. You 
are very close to that, but the bikes aren’t at the same level of polish 
and presentment. 

Also selling recently were a couple of 60cm green QBs for $1100 (on 
Facebook, with Phil hubs) and $1200 (Craigslist, with fancy brakes). This 
is more normal Quickbeam pricing, with the $1100 one being a very nice 
price, and it sold in 2 days. 

If I were you, I’d strip the cool wheels, lights, and derailleurs off, put 
the original wheels back on, and list it for $1200 plus shipping. 

Philip
Sonoma County, CA


On Sunday, December 17, 2023 at 10:19:00 AM UTC-8 joe kelly wrote:

> Bumping this. Maybe my asking price is too high? I’m not sure what a used 
> quickbeam is worth. I’m open to offers. Perhaps some one would want some of 
> the parts? I could ship a rack or a saddle but possibly not a wheelset. 
> Open to possibilities.
> Thank you
> Joe
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 9:22:59 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>
>>
>> The original wheelset is high flange suzue front and rear. The rear has 
>> threads on both sides so mine has a 16t freewheel and a 14t fixed cog. The 
>> long dropouts allow this to work. I remember Paul or white industries made 
>> a 2 cog freewheel and I always thought it would be funny to put one on each 
>> side, like a 15-17 and a 16-18 or whatever but honestly the novelty does 
>> wear off of manually shifting even 2 gears plus those freewheels were mega 
>> expensive.
>> Anyway the 5sp is a sunshine brand from Japan ( probably) I got off a 
>> list member here and the dyno hub is sp brand I think. Whatever affordable 
>> hub they were selling to years ago just can’t remember. I bought velocity 
>> twin hollow rims with non machined sidewalls (crazy to think I can’t 
>> remember Wednesdays lunch but that detail is firmly lodged in my brain) and 
>> had them built at Baer wheels here in Columbus. I don’t remember if the 
>> spokes were butted, who knows 路‍♂️.
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 6:41:58 PM UTC-5 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Ha! It's kind of disconcerting to see a Quickbeam with front and rear 
>>> derailers. 
>>> Front/Rear were the Suzue hubs?
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 10:40:18 AM UTC-8 joe kelly wrote:
>>>
 On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:35:18 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:

>
> Stuff I forgot to mention; it’s orange, I don’t want to ship it but 
> would be willing to drive to meet up, I’m in Columbus Ohio, it has set 
> for 
> a few years now since cycling faded away and golf took over as favorite 
> hobby. Has jack brown green tires, front one is flat needs a new tube 
> probably, it won’t pump up. Has a brass bell. 
> I loved assembling and riding this bike but I just haven’t touched it 
> in a few years. Just writing this for sale post brought back so many nice 
> memories. Maybe it can make nice memories for the next owner too. Hope so 
> anyway.
> Thanks
> Joe
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:28:00 PM UTC-5 joe kelly wrote:
>
>> Hello
>> I have decided to sell my 60 cm quickbeam. I bought it used and 
>> customized it with lots of stuff from Rivendell. I had a wheelset made 
>> that 
>> is a 5sp 120 rear hub and a dyno front hub I got from Rivendell with 
>> velocity twin hollow wheels. It has lightsfront and rear, a sackville 
>> small, fenders, campee front rack with wall basket and net. Nitto stem 
>> with 
>> albatross bars, nitto post with broooks b17 and randi jo cover. Sugino 
>> crank with mkx pedals. Original wheelset included too. Bar end shifters 
>> and 
>> cheapy derailers.
>> $1750 obo
>> Thanks
>> Joe
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Craigslist, etc 2023

[Philip Williamson]

60cm Simpleone frameset - $600 - Bikelist.com - 
https://bikelist.com/listings/60cm-rivendell-simple-one-frame-set-368513588

62cm Quickbeam bike - $1100 - Facebook group
 Look at this post on Facebook 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/3127504017358010/permalink/6601091443332566/?mibextid=S66gvF

Philip
No connections to the sellers

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 8:09:26 AM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> Roadini, 61cm
> $2400, Orange!
> Seattle, WA
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-large-road-bike-rivendell/7611983345.html
>
> Romulus, 24"
> $850
> Bellingham, WA
>
> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-romulus/7613561566.html
>
> Legolas, 59cm
> $3400
> Portland, OR area
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-legolas-59cm/7612121082.html
>
> Atlantis, 61cm
> $2500
> Port Townsend, WA
>
> https://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/nordland-rivendell-atlantis-61cm/7606421089.html
>
> Appaloosa, 56cm
> $2000
> Portland, OR
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7610380104.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dynamo Wiring inside the Fork and Frame?

[Philip Williamson]

Time. Hassle. 
I've got three dedicated dynamo bikes, and one is built for internal wiring 
through the fork and rack. I haven't run the wires and attached the plugs 
because I don't trust that I can do a good job. My bikes look awesome even 
with external wiring, so I'm not too concerned with losing style points. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 4:59:56 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> My question is, why wouldn’t everyone running a dynamo do this? Perhaps 
> for sharing a single light with more than one bike? So clean.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 3, 2023, at 2:34 AM, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi everyone, 
> > 
> > An update: I was able to fish the SON dynamo coaxial wire through the 
> fork! Here’s how I did it:
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[RBW] Re: Riv Garage Sale hauls

[Philip Williamson]

I wrote up a longer version of my crew’s garage sale visit for a cycling 
podcast/site.
You may recognize some people and bikes.
https://cyclingindependent.com/the-rivendell-garage-sale/

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif


On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 8:30:19 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> [image: 4F4B1093-78C4-48E4-9130-60A970393F69.jpeg]
>
> I had a nice haul, talked to great people, enjoyed a walk downtown and a 
> long drive with my friends, and saw a ton of good bikes in the visitor 
> pile. 
>
> I brought some friends from up in Santa Rosa. We parked and walked up the 
> driveway just as the gates swung open. I headed to the far end to work my 
> way back, and got a quill faceplater stem and a carved C17 saddle right off 
> the bat. No pressing need, but I had decided to stock up on my classic 
> build parts. As soon as I posted this photo on Instagram/Facebook I sold 
> both those items on to friends. 
>
> I also scored 9 and 8 speed cassettes, a high rise threadless stem, a free 
> coin purse, maybe a pump(?}, and a $3 bag of bolts and spacers (very 
> exciting). A pair of $5 bells inspired me to put bells on all my bikes last 
> weekend. The Sogreni went on the Quickbeam stem, even though that’s not my 
> fanciest bike. 
>
> The Suntour shirt is a 100 Tacos bootleg, and we traded some stickers as 
> well.
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 2:52:54 PM UTC-7 sin...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> I got there just before Riv open the sale. I chatted with people, some of 
>> whom I haven't seen before COVID! So many neat bikes 
>> <https://www.instagram.com/p/CqOkSbwjYrh/> that people rode to the sale. 
>> Here is my haul. People post what you got today!
>>
>> Franklyn
>>
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[RBW] Re: Heck, even my Monocog is lighter than your Platypus. [Monocog with Specialized Hover bar]

[Philip Williamson]

52 tooth granny cog? 

Philip 
SR, CA

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 6:08:22 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> OTOH: this is puzzling: I see so many Rivendells on this list with very, 
> very high bars, but with 52 tooth granny cogs; IOW gearing designed for 
> low-torque fast-cadence twiddling. I don't get it. When I spin I move 
> forward and down; when I torque I shove back and sit up. What gives? 
> Someone explain.
>
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 6:18 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> ... And one more interesting thing: A more forward and lower position 
>> makes you re-think your saddle position. With the M/A I had the saddle -- 
>> first edition Flite -- slammed all the way back on the rails and seapost 
>> raised for full leg extension; I wanted to sit back and push forward. 
>> Leaning and reaching more forward, I wanted to move the saddle forward and 
>> down; which I did, ~7 mm forward and ~10 mm down. This felt better 
>> particularly in the hooks, which with the slightly lower and closer saddle 
>> are now much more comfortable. But the further-forward hoods position also 
>> make standing and grunting, as through sand, feel more natural compared to 
>> the closer and higher M/A. So perhaps I don't need a shorter or a higher 
>> stem after all.
>>
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[RBW] Re: "You need 7 bikes" article

[Philip Williamson]

Awesome! 
I’ve enjoyed reading through this thread.

Beater - Quickbeam
Bomber - Stooge Scrambler (on the way), and the Fitz 
Singlespeed - Quickbeam (fixed) and Fitz (at the moment), and Swobo 
Accomplice (kickback wheel)
Touring bike - Frances and Fitz I’ve bike camped on, Bruce Gordon could tour
Lightish road bike - Bontrager Privateer with drops and slicks, Frances, 
and (my son’s) Bontrager RoadLite
Do-all racked and bagged bike - Fitz, Frances, Quickbeam, all have baskets 
on racks, and the Fitz and Frances have removable low rider attachments. 
Bruce Gordon will get racks someday  
A mixte - my wife’s Trek Belleville
A loaner - Swobo? The last bike I actually loaned was the Gordon
A project bike - Fitz at the moment, Stooge soon, and I have a worrisome 
pair of spare wheelsets that might attract frames somehow

A careful reading indicates I’ve got seven bikes, or nine bikes. And a 
cruiser I didn’t mention, because I don’t mention it. I could move along 
the Swobo and the cruiser, but I’m not hurting anyone by keeping them. If I 
had to keep three, it would be the Privateer, the Quickbeam, and the Fitz. 
If an XL Wilderness Trail Phoenix came along, I’d grab it. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 5:16:47 PM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Tom — This appeared as a little blurb in Rivendell Reader No. 42 on 
> page 6 (online in the Rivendell archive here 
> ). 
>
> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-29 at 8.14.15 PM.png]
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:45:16 AM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> I recall an article by Grant about the number of bike a person needs with 
>> justification. I think it was 7.
>>  Any idea which reader it was in?
>> Thanks!
>> Tom Palmer
>> Twin Lake, MI
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks, Greg!
Are those 26" tires? Your bike is a real head-turner. I love it. 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif

On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 8:34:56 AM UTC-7 Greg J wrote:

> The muddy Riv with the knobby tires and Carradice is my Waterford Riv - 
> I've been swapping bars on it (which is why it remains untaped) and was 
> toying with getting an upright bar (Losco, Albatross), but I picked up a 
> flared shallow drop bar at the garage sale so that will be the next 
> iteration.
>
> Greg
>
> On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 4:40:52 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Yeah...thanks for that, Philip. I think that midnight blue bike was an 
>> early Waterford-built all-rounder, not a legolas as someone on Insta said. 
>> Anyway looks like it was a fun event
>>
>> On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 9:54:59 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Huge thanks to Philip for sharing all the images over on Insta, I got 
>>> the virtual tour I was dying for!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:34:08 PM UTC-4 Evan E. wrote:
>>>
 Keith H. asked about the orange Rambouillet that is missing paint. Will 
 of Rivendell told me that the chainstay bridge and the seatstay bridges 
 were moved farther from the rear dropout to enable larger tires to fit. “I 
 think this frame will take 45s now,” he said. He didn’t say why the top 
 tube and downtube and head tube are now bare steel, and I didn’t think to 
 ask. We both just stood there and admired the frame. 

 On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:16:04 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Id like to know the story on the orange Rambouillet that is all 
> stripped.  I love to remember that lugged frames can almost always be be 
> repaired.  
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 2:12:20 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm always bummed to miss these, but those buds on the trees and bike 
>> rack full of shopper's bikes are especially painful this year.  All that 
>> rain that CA has been getting translates to snow here.  It'll be months 
>> before I could enjoy something like that.
>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:42:57 PM UTC-6 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> Still bummed to have missed this.
>>> I bet my Tosco bar was sad to miss me!
>>>
>>> Nice Hardrock I see!
>>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:52, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Is that custom paint, or was there an orange Atlantis at some point?
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:08 AM Keith Paugh  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Did you achieve #7?

 (Beautiful Atlantis )

 k.

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[Philip Williamson]

Here are some Instagram shots of the Riv garage sale and customer bikes. 
 https://www.instagram.com/p/CqQmu60pBlu/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 9:08:20 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> A *shire* of Rivs. That’s my understanding anyway.
>
> I had a great time bringing three other North Bay folk down to the 
> shindig. So fun! Nice to introduce some of my Santa Rosa friends to my 
> Walnut Creek friends. 
>
> My tactic in any mass start event like this is to go straight to the far 
> end and work back. I’m elbow deep in a stems and weird parts box for ten 
> minutes with someone else. We flip stuff over, sift down, claim stuff… 
> finally stand up, look st who’s been in the bins with me… “Hey Reed! I’m so 
> glad to see you! I had no idea that was you!”
>
> I’ll post pics to Instagram, and link back here later.
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 6:59:09 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Its owner said the frame was bare metal when it was purchased, and RBW 
>> offered to paint it. 
>>
>> I love all the custom touches people have added to their bikes. 
>>
>> What’s the collective noun for a group of bicycles? A flock of geese, a 
>> pride of lions, a murder of crows, a _ of Rivendells?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
>>
>> Is that custom paint, or was there an orange Atlantis at some point?
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:08 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>>
>>> Did you achieve #7?
>>>
>>> (Beautiful Atlantis )
>>>
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Matthew Williams  
>>> wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[Philip Williamson]

A *shire* of Rivs. That’s my understanding anyway.

I had a great time bringing three other North Bay folk down to the shindig. 
So fun! Nice to introduce some of my Santa Rosa friends to my Walnut Creek 
friends. 

My tactic in any mass start event like this is to go straight to the far 
end and work back. I’m elbow deep in a stems and weird parts box for ten 
minutes with someone else. We flip stuff over, sift down, claim stuff… 
finally stand up, look st who’s been in the bins with me… “Hey Reed! I’m so 
glad to see you! I had no idea that was you!”

I’ll post pics to Instagram, and link back here later.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif



On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 6:59:09 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Its owner said the frame was bare metal when it was purchased, and RBW 
> offered to paint it. 
>
> I love all the custom touches people have added to their bikes. 
>
> What’s the collective noun for a group of bicycles? A flock of geese, a 
> pride of lions, a murder of crows, a _ of Rivendells?
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
>
> Is that custom paint, or was there an orange Atlantis at some point?
>
> Doug
>
> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:08 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>
>> Did you achieve #7?
>>
>> (Beautiful Atlantis )
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Matthew Williams  
>> wrote:
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[Philip Williamson]

1Up. Whatever car this goes on would need a hitch mount, with 2” preferred. 

i worried about putting my (metal) fendered Quickbeam on the rack, and cut 
short bits of pipe insulation, and imagined different ways to support the 
fender from underneath, with something between the fender and the tire… 
total overthink. Pipe insulation on the bar “protected the paint,” but it 
just worked. 

My car is a Kia Soul with a 2” hitch, and a single 1up rack that pretty 
much always stays on the car. 

If your rack needs to go on the car when the bike goes on, 1up sells 
couture wall mounts, but I’d be fine throwing my rack under the porch until 
I need it. (Actually, don’t do that. Aluminum reacts with soil contact and 
will corrode if left sitting in the dirt too long - I learned that while 
selling my dad’s hoarded Indian motorcycles, whoops)

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif (now with snow)

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my fendered 
> Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for fenders.  And the 
> hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through.  This 
> isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Philip Williamson]

I'm also Team Platform, and would recommend SPDs for a beginner into the 
clipless pedal world. 
I did ride Eggbeaters for several years, and made skateboard pedal decks to 
turn them into platforms. It turned out I never ever rode without them, so 
I just bought some platform pedals and donated or sold my eggbeaters. One 
set of skatedecks is hanging above my tool bench as a "hey I did that," but 
I'm not interested in riding clipless. If my riding changes to big jumps 
offroad, I'd revisit SPDs. 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif 

On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 10:05:09 PM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and fewer 
> impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a 
> stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs 
> especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or 
> screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal 
> options are not. 
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding I 
>> do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish road 
>> rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use 
>> clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are 
>> much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment 
>> as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I 
>> think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the 
>> time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone 
>> else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for 
>> years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of 
>> pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms 
>> with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot 
>> more.
>>
>> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend 
>> Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few 
>> years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like 
>> them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for 
>> their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs 
>> work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula, MT
>>
>> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :
>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with 
>>> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have 
>>> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and 
>>> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>>>
>>> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank Brothers 
>>> eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some flat pedals 
>>> on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without bindings to 
>>> see if I really still want them. I started going down the no-binding path a 
>>> while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I actually liked 
>>> bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. If I was doing 
>>> any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason even if I ditch 
>>> the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on my "group 
>>> ride" bike (my Riv Road). 
>>>
>>> That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're super 
>>> easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 2) low 
>>> profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no tension 
>>> adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long as 
>>> you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of 
>>> fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want 
>>> shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support. 
>>> On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, but that 
>>> hasn't been an issue for me. I have a box full of old Shimano pedals and 
>>> cleats. I could never get happy with the shoe-cleat-pedal interface, it was 
>>> always too loose and wobbly or too hard to release.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA
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[RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Philip Williamson]

I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50 
years. 

   - Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the first 
   time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is still tough, 
   reliable, and cheap. 
   - Fillet brazed? I imagine this was for aesthetics, but I'd need to dive 
   into The Jobst Hole to find out. 
   - Rim brakes, not discs. Single pivot sidepulls (??) indicate no worries 
   about stopping with a simple, light, rim brake. 
   - Supple tires, but still narrow. I would love to see Jobst and Jan 
   debate the testing protocol.
   - Downtube shifters. Simple, light, easy cabling, and there for the two 
   times a day he'd shift. 
   - Yellow. 

Philip 
rec.bicycles.tech
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:59:48 PM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com wrote:

> Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still feels 
> like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills road 
> bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle, 
> riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name 
> alive!
> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 3:16:07 PM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>
>> If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same 
>> setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals. 
>> But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I 
>> understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he be 
>> riding - basically not a silent generation member, but a later millennial 
>> or early gen-Xer, but still a mechanical engineer, still concerned with 
>> reliability, and dare I say it, under-biking. So maybe he still ends up on 
>> a metal, rimmed braked bike. I think it may be easier to eliminate some 
>> things, I don't see him with electronic shifting, that just adds more 
>> possible unrepairable-on-the-road failure points. I want to say no disc 
>> either - as it adds stress to the fork and reduces the reliability of the 
>> front end of the bike. I kind of envision him on a stripped down 80th 
>> anniversary Rene-Herse or Rivendell Rodeo, or possibly some sort of 
>> titanium frame.
>>
>> I am a mechanical engineer also, but a boomer.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim 
>>> brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his 
>>> prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech that 
>>> we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a 
>>> retrogrouch could still be in his cards. To me, it would depend heavily on 
>>> his opinion towards modern wheel design and if the 11 (or 12) speed hub 
>>> would be a yay or nay. As I'm typing this, I'm reminded of Ritchey's 
>>> comment on his use of his shifters, or lack-there-of, so I'm leaning 
>>> towards him reverting to shorter free-hub bodies. Hell, maybe he'd have 
>>> beat Rivendell to the modern-day 7 speed rear hub! Or perhaps, the Rene 
>>> Herse rear mech would tickle his fancy. Tough call. He'd certainly ride 
>>> whatever it is to the ground though. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-6 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>>
 Andrew,

 Thank you for sharing.  The article was definitely worth the read.  A 
 few things stood out to me:

 - they were/are all *extremely *fit.
 - fear was not a word in their vocabulary.
 - what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time.
 - the Higgins' couple rock.  Of course the stoker is doing all the work 
 ;)

 Jeff
 Claremont, CA
 (who's beloved stoker [Lori] continues to do all the work)

 On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-8 andyree...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod 
> to current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier gearing. As a 
> result, it's made me wonder what he would be riding today if you spliced 
> his timeline and moved his prime days to current day. 
>
> Today's Radavist 
> 
>  article 
> really fueled that question so I'd like to open it up to this group who 
> likely have much more insight into the man and his bike(s). 
>
> What are we thinking? Rim brakes or disc? Carbon? Steel? Ti? I see a 
> lot of similarities between him and Jan Heine as far as a desire for 
> performance and reliability, so perhaps he'd lean towards a rando build?  
>
> Take it away if you wish, 
> Andrew
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Re: [RBW] Re: Paul home polish

[Philip Williamson]

I’m with Garth - if you’ve got anodized parts you’d like to make silver… 
arrange a trade!

Philip
 
On Sunday, January 22, 2023 at 7:29:05 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> While I don't have any Paul brakes, over Life I've had plenty of aluminum 
> parts that were of a natural, untreated finish. You can polish them all you 
> like, but it doesn't last every long until they require more polishing. The 
> polishing is an attempt to seal the exterior, to create a "buffer" from the 
> elements, so to speak. It's high maintenance for sure as it's only 
> temporary.  The durable hard anodizing manufacturers use is a chemical 
> process and as long they're not exposed to excessive corrosive elements the 
> finish remains indefinitely. Once that finish is removed, there's no going 
> back, they are back to their natural untreated state. A sure way to tell 
> the finish of any aluminum part is to rub it with a clean rag or even your 
> hands as it will leave that telltale gray residue. 
>
> As far as I'm concerned if a part is finished black, or anodized a dull 
> silver, I leave it alone, or don't buy it in the first place if I can't 
> live it as purchased. There can be a few exceptions, notably if it's 
> something tiny. Surely though, I see black and silver parts as 
> complimentary rather than conflicting. 
> On Saturday, January 21, 2023 at 6:41:43 PM UTC-5 brendonoid wrote:
>
>>
>> *"The other set of cantis are on a new build I just finished."*
>>
>> Whoa, hold up! What a teaser, I can't wait.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Which Paul brakes for a Quickbeam or Simple One?

[Philip Williamson]

On my Quickbeam, the only Paul braking bits I've got are green Moon Units. 
I have used the Neo-Retro / Touring setup on another bike, and switched to 
Minimotos due to brake judder. I've never had judder on my Quickbeam. As 
Mark said, regular road levers work with both minimotos and cantis. 

I love minimotos. They stop great. They look a little funny, since they 
aren't symmetrical. Setup was easy. I think you could flip some washers 
around to get the noodle side of the brake not to knock the fender. 

A Minimoto in front seems like the opposite strategy from a Neo-retro in 
front. Paul Tourings are stronger brakes than Neo-retros, and Minimotos are 
stronger yet. I doubt in practice you'd notice. 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif

On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 3:43:07 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:

> Thanks everyone for sharing your experiences with Paul brakes. I do like 
> the way the brake cable connects to the minimotos, same as a v-brake, no 
> cable hanger required. I'm planning to have a small front rack. I'll have 
> to make sure the rack tang doesn't interfere with the brake cable as it 
> connects across to brake arm. Looks like it wasn't an issue for Patch on 
> his QB, just above the fender and below the rack tang.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 12:10:26 PM UTC-5 Minh wrote:
>
>> another vote for the touring Canti rear/ Neo retro front set up,  though 
>> one caveat, i recently swapped out front racks, and the new one has a fork 
>> tang thats a little higher, requiring a very long straddle cable, braking 
>> has been fine but in my mind feels a little less stopping power.  
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2023 at 11:20:36 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>>
>>> John - I like the combination very much, but I don't think it is 
>>> significantly *better* than other brake set-ups, and do not necessarily 
>>> champion this set-up over others. I went this route because (a) I, too, 
>>> felt bad leaving the QB brake stop bridge hanging out all alone, and (b) 
>>> had another bike that was in need of only one Minimoto (a 92 XO1 calipered 
>>> frame with a 93 XO1 canti'd fork) and after a parts shuffle across 3 
>>> (mostly) canti'd bikes, I ended up with one spare Minimoto.
>>>
>>> I'll say that the Minimotos and Motolites have a sharper, crisper, more 
>>> abrupt stopping action than the Touring and/or Neo Retros. That is not to 
>>> say that the latter pair are 'bad' at stopping - they're marvelous and 
>>> strong - but the transition feel is slower/smoother. When running a combo 
>>> of Minimoto front + Touring rear, the difference in brake feel is not funny 
>>> or weird or all that noticeable. I suppose there's slightly less wheel lock 
>>> with the Touring out back, but this isn't a dominant factor for me.
>>>
>>> I personally would recommend the Touring/Neo Retro for road riding; and 
>>> Minimotos for more off-road/trail action, and/or/especially in cases where 
>>> quick-hard-steep stopping is desired. I save my Motolites for my 26" 
>>> dedicated trail bike. 
>>>
>>> Last item - aesthetically speaking (YMMV, don't @ me!)
>>> Minimotos look sick with knobbies
>>> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with knobbies
>>> Touring/Neo Retro look sick with slicks
>>> Minimotos look just ok with slicks, but sick with 45mm fenders + slicks
>>>
>>> Everyone's got different brake feelings and experiences, these are mine, 
>>> hope they help.
>>>
>>> Patch in NYC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 5:50:15 PM UTC-8 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Thank you everyone for the tips/advice. I'm not planning to have a rear 
 rack on this bike, so the brake arm extension isn't an issue. Also I may 
 or 
 may not mount the fenders that I have, my Crust LB-canti has them so not a 
 priority to have them on the QB.

 Patch, so how do you like the touring/minimoto combination? Would say 
 it was better or as good as other brake set ups?

 Thanks,
 JohnS

 On Wednesday, January 11, 2023 at 2:56:39 PM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> I use Paul's Touring on the rear and Minimotos on the front on my QB. 
> The Minimotos clear a VO Smooth 45mm fender just fine.
> I agree that not using the canti stop bridge on the rear is a little 
> sad, but one could get creative and mount a light there if you preferred 
> to 
> run a Minimoto on the rear as well.
>
> Patch in NYC
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[RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Philip Williamson]

I just read through the thread with interest - I didn't realize it was from 
Sept 2022 until the last post!

I've used Paul cantis, a Neo-retro /Touring setup, and Minimotos. Minimotos 
were the only brake that worked on two bikes to eliminate judder. 
Absolutely worth it for that alone. I sold one pair when I parted out the 
Pinarello cross bike, and the other set will probably stay on the Frances 
forever. 
I've never used the Paul levers, but now I'd consider it if I ever build a 
flat-bar bike again. Paul drop bar levers would be AMAZING, in both long 
and short pull. 
I have Moon Units on the Quickbeam, since the special green anodizing looks 
good with the bike (it clashed with the Frances green). I mimicked the 
straddle height from the CX-50 stock setup, and they work great.  

I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike around, but 
went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, woot!). 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?) 

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-8 Huston wrote:

> I was recently reminded of this thread when completing an overhaul of my 
> Paul touring cantis.  After years of four-season commuting, the arms and 
> spring adjuster nuts still look great; however, the springs (corrosion) and 
> one o-ring (split) needed to be replaced.  Plus, it was time for some fresh 
> straddle cables.  All of these tiny bits were readily available, both 
> directly from Paul and from retailers.  Furthermore, upon submission of a 
> question via the Paul website, I received a prompt response from the man 
> himself.  IMO, these are just a couple of more reasons why these brakes are 
> indeed "worth the money."
>
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 1:52:35 PM UTC-4 Bill Fulford wrote:
>
>> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
>> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
>> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
>> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
>> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
>> love levers. Are they worth it?
>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Hillborne

[Philip Williamson]

Oh good - those are V-specific levers. They work great!

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif

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> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 8:27 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>> What brakes and levers specifically are you running?
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
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>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 9:11 PM, Ahmed Elgasseir
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Braking is fantastic. I’ve had/have this set up on a number of bikes and 
>> it’s always been stellar. 
>>
>> :-)
>> A
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 6:46 PM 'Scott Luly' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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>> Ahmed,
>>
>> How well does your brake set-up work? I'm wanting to run linear pull 
>> brakes with hood brake levers myself, just like you. The hood brake levers 
>> I have are not long pull, and I'm wondering how they will work with my 
>> v-brakes. I'm interested in hearing from those that have run NON long pull 
>> brake hood levers with v-brakes.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 07:34:19 PM MST, Ahmed Elgasseir <
>> aelga...@castilleja.org> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> Hi Y'all!
>> I'm thinning the herd to finance a new Roadini. Up for sale is my 54 Sam 
>> Hillborne, purchased directly from Riv back in 2019. It's been ridden but 
>> not much. Saddle and pedals not included. Posting it here, hoping I don't 
>> have to go CL. $2500
>>
>> Happy Holidays!
>> Ahmed in San Mateo
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Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Philip Williamson]

I think Hwy 41 might be the NorCal/SoCal cutoff, which is weird, since like
all odd-numbered freeways, it’s technically a north-south road.

It angles in the west, but heads straight north in the east, putting Morro
Bay, Kettleman City, Fresno, and Yosemite and Lee Vining all on the
dividing line. Which I would accept. That feels pretty solid.

Philip
“The eights go east and the fives go north.”



On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 6:35 PM Mike Godwin  wrote:

> Vons on "The" 101 starts in Paso Robles, though I've never shopped there.
> I have shopped at the Safeway in Atascadero, SLO, King City, Salinas,
> Gilroy, Hollister, and Morgan Hill.
>
> Mike "no longer in "the" bay area Godwin SLO CA
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 2:33:26 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Wesley - thanks for the excellent information!  Yes, in the area where I
>> live - Northeastern Chicago suburbs - some of the stores owned by the now
>> defunct local chain "Dominick's" were taken over and remodeled by a more
>> local chain "Mariano's".  That chain has since been taken over by the the
>> Kroger dynasty and some of those grocery's are not fairing well.
>> Meanwhile, a larger local chain, "Jewell," has long since been taken over
>> by the massive Albertsons.  So a merger between those two conglomerates
>> comes as no surprise, though it does come with a bit of fear and loathing.
>> Once the two giants merge (assuming the FTC allows it) they can manipulate
>> pricing and availability all over the map.  I doubt that this would be a
>> good thing for the average consumer, but such seems to be the way things in
>> general retail are going nowadays.
>> George
>> P.S. Sorry this thread drifted from NoCal riding weather to the food
>> supply industry, but it's all good info.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 4:06:49 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I almost forgot: two months ago, Kroger and Albertsons announced a
>>> plan to merge. They are the two biggest grocery chains in the US, and I do
>>> not know whether the federal government will try to stop the merger. In
>>> California, that would mean Ralphs would join the
>>> Vonn's/Safeway/Albertson's/Pavilion's family of brands. Here are lists of
>>> the stores that would be involved in the merger:
>>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-12-21 at 1.59.54 PM.png][image: Screen Shot
>>> 2022-12-21 at 1.59.40 PM.png]
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:51:32 PM UTC-8 Wesley wrote:
>>>
 George,
 When a two grocery chains merge to create a new, larger chain, they
 would prefer to close down any of their stores that compete with each other
 right away. It's the federal government that stops them, because then they
 could raise prices with less competition. So instead they underinvest in
 the stores they don't want. When they are required to sell some stores to a
 competitor, they do whatever they can to make sure those stores aren't
 successful for their new owners. Kroger and Albertsons both want to be
 monopolies, and they are good at pursuing that goal.
 -Wes

 On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 1:26:18 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> Wesley - thanks for that info.  It explains why we have had the
> closures of certain grocery stores in our area that have ultimately been
> taken over by larger chains, but retained their original identity.  But
> many of these "overtaken" groceries have eventually declined in product
> availability and produce value over time, which makes me wonder what the
> intent of the larger "take over" chain had in mind to begin with.  Unless
> their strategy may have been to take over all of the subordinate chain
> stores (required by law, as you say) and gradually ferret out the money
> losers as time goes along, eventually closing some of those stores and
> keeping others open.  I'm sure it's a difficult market strategy.
> On Wednesday, December 21, 2022 at 12:54:00 PM UTC-6 Wesley wrote:
>
>> The multiplicity is because when large grocery chains merge, the
>> federal government often requires the new, larger, chain to keep the
>> original stores open. In cases like where you now have two Safeways in 
>> the
>> same mall, Safeway will generally be required to sell one to a competitor
>> rather than close it. This is all part of an effort to avoid monopolies 
>> in
>> grocery stores.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 5:52:20 PM UTC-8 divis...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 1-2) King City (on 101) and Fresno (on Hwy 99) appear to be the
>>> southernmost outposts of Safeway on major highways. It looks like Vons
>>> picks up in Bakersfield (99) and Goleta, outside Santa Barbara (101).
>>> Interstate 5 is on the dry west side of the San Joaquin Valley, so it
>>> doesn't really have much in the way of large towns or accompanying
>>> supermarkets; there's a Save Mart in Coalinga just 

Re: [RBW] Re: NorCal Cycling

[Philip Williamson]

If you have a Safeway, you're in Northern California. 
If you've got a Vons, you're in SoCal.

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif (born in SF) 

On Tuesday, December 20, 2022 at 12:17:22 PM UTC-8 freefo...@gmail.com 
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> The Bay Area isn't Northern California says the guy from Humboldt County. 
> We have way less traffic and better air. 
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022, 9:54 PM Luke Hendrickson  
> wrote:
>
>> Dude living in San Francisco here: it’s pretty great 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 2:26:54 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> At this time of the year I have to admit that I'm a bit jealous of 
>>> cyclists who live in California, especially in the the NoCal area of the 
>>> "Frisco" bay.  Lately I've been leering enviously at YouTube videos posted 
>>> by "Henry Wildberry" where he and his riding companion(s) are cycling up 
>>> and down some excellent North Bay area hilly/mountainous paths and roads 
>>> equipped with little more than "fair weather" garments vs. what we have to 
>>> wear in the Midwest Winters. Makes me want to move there...but not really.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Will's Roadini SS

[Philip Williamson]

I’m a big fan of riding fixed. It just feels good to me, but I’m not an
evangelist: “more for me, I guess!” I like having a second gear option (two
rings, dingle cog), but almost never use the low gear.

Will’s Roadini is like a Golden Age tribute bike. I love it. Now I kinda
want one, but I’ll go swap tires around on the bikes I’ve got, instead.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 11:02 AM Berkeleyan  wrote:

> It's a different ride, and a fun ride, to have a single speed. I have a
> Dos Eno on my QuickBeam, but still stay primarily on the 15 tooth sprocket.
> The 17 comes into play for East Bay hills, but I rode (with camping gear)
> in the 15 from Berkeley to the Entmoot in Marin via San Francisco and
> Sausalito/Tiburon, and it was delightful. With no levers to move, you focus
> on building momentum, and save strength for hills.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 7:57:35 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Have to say...I like that bike a lot. Very clean and elegant
>>
>> And Will's post :
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/singlespeed-roadini?mc_cid=1ea8aef045_eid=0074b52ae1
>> nails what I like about single-speeds; for some years now my SS PX-10 has
>> been a fave. Apologies to Rivendell but riding that old Peugeot IS
>> addictive.  I am curious to see the landing of the Roaduno in 2023
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Philip Williamson]

Wow, that CX bike is incredible. Did you ever hear from anyone else with a
fillet-brazed Bontrager cyclocross bike?

To stay on topic - cutting the sweep ends off flared drops is inadvisable,
and the Portola bars are very similar to the RM-3s, Midge, and original
WTB.

I had a LeMond for a while with Portola bars. that was stolen.

Here’s a $20 Midge bar in SF:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bop/d/san-francisco-on-one-midge-bar/7560429801.html

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Sun, Dec 11, 2022 at 8:12 AM 'Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Drew, Philip & others,
> While this is not a Rivendell, the bike does sport the Soma Portolas in
> this discussion. They are on a Bontrager CX that I commissioned from Keith
> Bontrager in 1989:
>
> https://flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/7215770445842/with/33876168088/
> Ironically, when I built it up, used the original WTB Dirt Drops - also a
> part of this discussion - with a custom filet brazed stem by Steve Potts.
> (I'm covering all the bases here!)
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/cx/2010/cx057-paulgermain0410.html
> Being an east coaster, my only experience with the bars (and bar end
> shifters)  was a short ride on Jacquie Phelan's Cunningham Indian while she
> was in Massachusetts for the first Ross Stage Race in 1986 -1987. That's
> why the bars are truncated like that. I had figured on some tight trail
> rides for the bike, but I wound up using it more for fire roads. (I
> regretted cutting them, so did an update on some of the components a few
> years ago.)
> Essentially, the shallow drops make them more accessible for doing
> shorter, more demanding riding than road stuff, in my opinion.
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 1:52:04 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
>> Steve Potts has reintroduced a new version of the original WTB dirt drop,
>> which Soma is selling:
>>
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/steve-potts-original-dirt-drop-bar-31-8-60cm-5910
>>
>> I have the real original WTB bars, bought in 1999, on my Ibis Mojo, and I
>> would definitely get these new ones if I had the space for another bike.
>>
>> Drew
>> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for many
>>> of the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar profile
>>> to the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.
>>>
>>> Will
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:
>>>
 Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
 Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.

 That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider,
 more flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like
 another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down
 and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position).
 I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m
 also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it.

 Description from soma:
 This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a
 26.0mm center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for
 adventure touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips
 have a slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm
 (56cm size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths
 (measured center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center

 On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com
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> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided
> to start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared 
> drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little
> flare and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm
> tempted by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going
> is casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
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[RBW] Re: VeloCals bicycle decals - Shutting down retail operations

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks for the heads up. 
I just ordered a set of Bontrager RoadLite decals for
my son’s bike. best of luck to VeloCals in their sign business. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif
On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 6:30:21 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> VeloCals is shutting down retail operations as of December 31st @ 11:59 pm 
> CST
>
> https://velocals.com/
>
> another one bits the dust.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Philip Williamson]

The RM-3s are the same as the WTB bars that look very similar to the new
Potts bars. I snipped that out of my original reply.

I sold the old WTBs from my Quickbeam, and ended up replacing them with
RM-3s. Same bar. Blue Lug has silver in stock, and some stems that work
well with them.

One of the mysterious birthday/Xmas boxes in the house might have a set of
Potts bars for me…

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif



On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:52 AM Drew Saunders 
wrote:

> Steve Potts has reintroduced a new version of the original WTB dirt drop,
> which Soma is selling:
>
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/steve-potts-original-dirt-drop-bar-31-8-60cm-5910
>
> I have the real original WTB bars, bought in 1999, on my Ibis Mojo, and I
> would definitely get these new ones if I had the space for another bike.
>
> Drew
> On Saturday, December 10, 2022 at 9:29:59 AM UTC-8 wboe...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Check out WhatBars  to compare profiles for many
>> of the offerings out there.  As I recall, the Portola is a similar profile
>> to the Ritcheys I like, except I needed 31.8 instead of 26.
>>
>> Will
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 10, 2022 at 10:34 AM Pancake  wrote:
>>
>>> Soma Portola - https://www.somafab.com/archives/product/portola-bar
>>> 56cm wide at the flared ends but 45.5cm on the hoods
>>> Meets your 26mm diameter requirement.
>>>
>>> That’s where I landed when I was looking for a similar change (wider,
>>> more flared noodle, less drop, less reach). They’ve been great. Though like
>>> another poster, I just swapped them for Albatross bars (though upside down
>>> and with bar ends mounted in the middle so I get a hood like position).
>>> I’ve tried RM-013 and noodles, the the Portola was the best so far. I’m
>>> also curious about the 600mm Towel Rack but haven’t tried it.
>>>
>>> Description from soma:
>>> This bar is similar to our June Bug dirt drop bar, except it uses a
>>> 26.0mm center and comes in a narrower width. Nice option to try for
>>> adventure touring, trail riding or commuting. 112mm drop. 65mm reach. Grips
>>> have a slight flare. Width at lever mounting area: 41cm (53cm size), 45.5cm
>>> (56cm size) approx.  - Polished 6061 T6 aluminum - 53 and 56cm widths
>>> (measured center to center at bar ends) - 26.0mm center
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey everyone!
 I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided
 to start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared 
 drops.

 I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little
 flare and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm
 tempted by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.

 If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going
 is casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too
 technical or serious.

 Thanks!
 Ben

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[RBW] Re: What's Good - Wide-ish/flared drops edition...

[Philip Williamson]

I only ride flared drops. The flare in flared drops are mostly for wrist 
clearance out of the saddle or in technical body-English situations. I feel 
the width changes from the hoods to the hooks to the ends are also 
beneficial for different modes during a ride: aero cruising, control on 
technical trails or descents, and leverage for honking up a loose hill. 

I’ve settled on Nitto RM-3s from Blue Lug or Somafab. It’s my favorite. The 
25.4 is often out of stock, but is my favorite bar. I have them on three 
bikes; my Fitz Supermoto, Quickbeam fixed gear, and Bontrager road bike. 
The angled hoods are very comfortable to me, and the drops give great 
control. I set flared bars up high, so the hooks are the main position, but 
I use the hoods and tops, too.

The On-One Midge bar is similar to the RM-3; I like it almost as much.
The RM-013 someone else mentioned is also a good bar. Deeper, more reach, 
and less flare. 
On the other end of the spectrum is the Woodchipper, which is short, 
shallow, and flared. The hooks aren’t angled much, but the tops are wide. 

You can see the RM-3s on my Quickbeam here on 
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Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 6:36:15 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I posted earlier about reach in converting to a wider bar and decided to 
> start a different conversation to get opinions on wide-ish, flared drops.
>
> I like the Nitto Noodle quite well, but I think I do want a little flare 
> and I don't want to bend them myself. So what's good out there? I'm tempted 
> by the Crust Towel Rack, but I'd love to hear what you all like.
>
> If it helps/matters, the kind of riding I do with the bike it's going is 
> casual rails-to-trails, some rolling gravel roads, but nothing too 
> technical or serious.
>
> Thanks!
> Ben
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Philip Williamson]

How do you know it’s the same bike?
It looks distinctly un-smashed, and you don’t know the “concatenations of 
circumstances.”

What non-profit did you mail it to?

Philip
Nonplussed in Sonoma County, where even the Riv-knowledgeable bike co-op 
won’t take a smashed bike. 


On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 7:11:00 PM UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Oh, where to begin? I owned this bike for approximately two months. Here’s 
> what happened:
>
> A few months ago, I bought this Appaloosa (identical to my current whip) 
> from the original owner and shipped the bike via BikeFlights. But when UPS 
> delivered it, I braced myself for disappointment: the box had a tire track 
> across one side, the top and sides were torn, and a large hole had been 
> haphazardly patched with several strips of clear packing tape. 
>
> I took photos as I carefully unpacked the bike. A truck had backed over 
> the bike: the seatstays, chainstays, rear rack, and fork were badly bent, 
> the front wheel was crushed, and the frame was visibly deformed and out of 
> alignment. BikeFlights reimbursed me for the shipping costs and what I paid 
> for the bike. To fulfill the claim, BikeFlights sent me a shipping label, 
> and directed me to repack and ship the crushed bike to a non-profit 
> organization.
>
> I don’t know the concatenation of circumstances, but the bike is once 
> again for sale—the frame and forks have been fixed and the front wheel has 
> been replaced. To be clear, I neither question the integrity or the 
> worksmanship of the builder who straightened the frame, nor am I accusing 
> the seller or anyone involved of malice, deception, or anything untoward. 
>
> The purpose of this note is so interested purchasers can make an informed 
> decision. If I was considering buying this bike, I’d want someone to warn 
> me. 
>
> [image: IMG_3007.jpg][image: IMG_3018.jpg][image: IMG_3014.jpg]
>
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[RBW] Appaloosa Purple Prose

[Philip Williamson]

Presented without commentary. 
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shape. It is size 60cm that I measure the toptube at 59cm (center to top) 
and toptube 59.5 center to center; it has 700c wheels and built light on 
the feet tho like a frickin tank. Great ride that eats up and then smiles 
on all terrains.

“If the Greek god Zeus rode a touring bike, it’d be a Rivendell and most 
likely, it’d be a Joe Appaloosa. Rivendell is straight forward with the Joe 
Appaloosa. First off, it’s named after a rather unique breed of horse, 
then, they took their two most famous touring bikes, the Sam Hillborne and 
the Hunqapillar, combined them and made one bad-ass road touring bike. 
These bikes are confidence-inspiring works of art, chiseled from stone and 
as timeless, or legendary as mythology. Ok, maybe that was too much… 
They’re just damn sexy!

“Those frames scream fully-loaded confidence with a fist-sized gap between 
the rear tire and seat tube, ensuring that even if you want to dive into a 
turn, this frame will take its own, secure and smooth line. Which is great 
for a touring or city bike. Loaded on descents, this long wheelbase makes 
for a predictable and comfortable ride.

“Or, to be more concise, the Appaloosa is:

“It’s not for stunts, boulder-bouncing, or loaded expeditionary off-road 
touring, but as a trail bike for sober non-yahoos who weigh less than 
215lb, it’s ideal, perfect.. That 215lb isn’t a scientifically-derived 
number, just a hipshot suggestion based on the Joe having a heavier fork 
than Sam’s and lighter one than Hunqapillar’s.”

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Re: [RBW] Widest tires on green Quickbeam?

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks for reviving this thread! I started at the beginning, and when I saw 
Clayton’s post, I looked at the date. “A… that makes sense.”

You revised your question to ask about max fender widths.
I run 52mm aluminum Velocity Orange Zeppelins over 38mm RH tires on my 2004 
green Quickbeam. The fenders are crimped a bit to pass between the chain 
stays, but not at the seat stays or under the fork. I like the longer 
coverage for the chain in front, and I like to be able to wheel the bike 
around vertically on the rear tire. Setting the rear fender up normally 
shouldn’t need any crimping.

I just changed my 37mm tires to these 38s, and had to flip a mounting bolt 
for more clearance under the 
bridge: https://www.instagram.com/p/ClkhqIjr9oU/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=
The new tires freshen up the bike, and I should probably straighten or 
replace the decade-old stays and add PDW releases: 
 https://www.instagram.com/p/ClKbS02PGoN/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=

I would not put a bigger tire under metal fenders on this bike. Without 
fenders, my biggest tire was a 45mm Smoke  with the side knobs cut off. The 
hassle there isn’t worth the reward to me, and a (~43?) Bruce Gordon 
Rock’n’Road is as big as I’d go in the future. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif 


On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 11:57:55 AM UTC-8 Will M wrote:

> My experience too, Eric; thanks.  
>
> Perhaps the question I should be asking: what's the widest *fender* that 
> Quickbeamers reliably run without too much heroics in home-surgery fender 
> modifications?  --Will
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 2:29 PM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> In my experience (not on a QB) 45mm fenders over 37 or 38mm tires might 
>> work, but it’s very fiddly. A minor bump or misadjustment and something 
>> will rub. 
>>
>> A good rule of thumb is max tire = fender -10mm, so 35mm tires for 45mm 
>> fenders.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, November 28, 2022, Will M  wrote:
>>
> Hi all.  Revisiting an oldish thread.  What's the biggest tire you 
>>> Quickbeamers are running with SKS P45 longboard feders?  I have an orange 
>>> 62cm Quickbeam and wanted to try 700x38mm tires with my P45s.  It's pretty 
>>> clear that the Quickbeam can take 'em.  It's less clear if the P45 
>>> longboards can.  (Websites such as REI 
>>> ,
>>>  
>>> etc., say max tire width = 37mm, yet RBW says 
>>>  38mm).  
>>> Thoughts?  Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Will M
>>> -NYC 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 6, 2009 at 11:53:35 PM UTC-4 grant wrote:
>>>
 You can measure the chainstay width, inside-2-inside, at the point 
 where the tire passes, then figure howevermany millimeters you're 
 comfortable with for clearance (four is a fine minimum-and the Japanese 
 standard, Times 2 that's 8.). Then do the negative arithmetic, and 
 blammo--there's your max tire. 
 (I know those who ride less than four. if the tire is big and cushy, 
 the wheel whill probably stay true forever. Why would it not?)

 G

 On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Andrew Janjigian  
 wrote:

> RBWers -
>
> I have 35mm tires on my green QB that need replacing. I'm thinking 
> about ditching the fenders and going AWAP. Anyone know whether 40mm will 
> fit? It certainly looks like I have at least 5mm to spare. 
>
> Thanks
> AJ
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Rear Dynamo wiring pics / examples? non-fender

[Philip Williamson]

My only wired taillight is a B micro, attached to a seat binder bolt with 
a little tab Fitz made when he made the frame, fork, and rack.
The wire runs under the top tube, with the derailleur, dropper, and brake 
cables.
Picture on 
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/p/ClR5BuHSP9q/?igshid=MWI4MTIyMDE=

Philip
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On Tuesday, November 22, 2022 at 10:22:13 AM UTC-8 brizbarn wrote:

> Thanks for the replies.  That Son set up looks nice Mr. Ray, gotta see if 
> I could run a wire into my BB on my Appaloosa, then up seattube and post.  
>
> Collin, Is that a particular type of tape you under toptube of appaloosa 
> holding the wire?
>
> Definitely a clean look on that Bombora, and a rad looking racklette, Kai! 
>
> Keep em coming, if anyone has more pics! 
> -Brian
> On Monday, November 21, 2022 at 6:34:26 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> Here’s a rear racklette I made, all of three inches of internal wiring…
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9KBpwpEUiL4XDGyVA
>> Fun.
>> -Kai
>>
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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[Philip Williamson]

Such a well crafted ride report! Thanks for the pictures, they're great. 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:22:44 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter
>
> 14-15 November 2022
> 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation 
>
> [image: 05 Skyline 2 SM.jpg]
>
> This summer and early fall passed without any camping or overnight trips 
> by bicycle. So a series of rides and ideas came together and I booked a 
> primitive cabin for Monday night, earlier this week. I decided to make a 
> loop of some fire roads I checked out in September with a stop for the 
> night in the middle. Once I made the reservation I reached out to Paul R. 
> to see if he’d like to join. To my surprise he was game for a Monday night 
> out. 
>
> Temperatures Monday were predicted to peak in the high 40s and dip down 
> well below freezing up on the mountain where we’d be staying. Rain and snow 
> were in the cards for our return on Tuesday and warming up to 38º. With bad 
> weather and short days in mind we met at the cracking hour of 11:00 AM. We 
> would have preferred to start earlier but obligations sometimes call for a 
> late start or no start at all. I unloaded my Appaloosa and did a final 
> check of my luggage and gear. Paul arrived with his XL Susie Longbolts 
> shoved in the back seat of his Honda. Even with the front wheel removed the 
> wheelbase barely allowed the back doors to close. By 11:50 we were on our 
> way, with temperatures comfortably in the high 40s. 
>
> [image: 02 Syria SM.jpg]
>
> The first eight miles took us through beautiful rolling countryside with 
> cattle grazing, old brick houses on hills and the last rusty brown vestiges 
> of crumbling foliage. We were on a mix of pavement and well-maintained 
> gravel roads. The route took us through a neighborhood of small beautiful 
> farms on a road that runs parallel to a stream. The road continued on in a 
> way that felt like trespassing as we rode between barns, over corn and soy 
> fields, past a tractor shed and through fields cut for hay. 
>
> Next we turned onto a painted highway with a posted speed of 45mph and 
> rode along for about two miles. During our first day this was our only 
> stretch of riding with paint on the road. We skirted around a mountain and 
> had our first fun and short descent on a twisty paved road. We pulled into 
> a neighborhood of old apple-packing warehouses and a convenience store with 
> a deli, likely a good place to stop, according to Paul who ran inside. Bulk 
> candy, camping goods, deli sandwiches and the rest. We surveyed a few bins 
> full of local apples that were stationed out on the road. I found my local 
> favorite, the Black Twig and we got four apples for $2. They were 
> fantastically good. 
>
> [image: 03 Road SM.jpg]
>
> We enjoyed some more lovely country riding before starting on a long climb 
> that took our elevation from 600 feet to 3,500 feet over 18 miles without 
> interruption. 
>
> The way up is via a wooded fire and maintenance road that is at times 
> quite rocky but easily passible by bike… if your legs are up for it. You 
> would need a serious 4x4 vehicle with clearance to make it up these roads 
> and the few campers and people out fishing were in one-ton trucks. There 
> are a few steep, rocky, loose descents on the way up, short reprieves from 
> long and steady climbing. According to my GPS we climbed for three hours. 
> We took one snack break early on and had a few quick stops but for the most 
> part we were grinding away. Paul longed for a bag of potato chips, craving 
> salt and tired of all the chewing required of his nutty trail mix. 
>
> I don’t have many pictures from this section as I was very focussed on 
> trying to make it to the cabin before dark. The early sunset and our vital 
> camp chores were top of mind. Once we arrived we needed to gather firewood 
> and water. Without electricity or plumbing we were reliant on the woodstove 
> for heat and the spring for hydration. Stumbling around in steep and 
> unfamiliar terrain searching for wood and water was something I hoped to 
> avoid. 
>
> As we were passing a gate with signs that announced bicycles were 
> prohibited we encountered a traveller on a flat bar mountain bike with 
> disks. We had a short chat about where he was headed and I gave him the 
> best directions I could. When I asked how much further we had to the top he 
> said it was “a few miles.” Later on I realized he was tempering our 
> distance and trying to be encouraging. The spinning continued. 
>
> Once we were within five miles of the top Paul said something like “It’s 
> gotta end, soon! It’s can’t all be up!” We finally reached the top of our 
> climb and made it out to the national parkway that cuts along the mountain. 
> I had mentioned to Paul there was a combination restaurant/convenience 
> store/gas station where he could grab a snack. Once we were within eye shot 
> he sprinted 

[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Philip Williamson]

I have a custom Fitz that's my do-it-all one bike (just ignore those other 
bikes in the shed), but if I had to replace it with a Rivendell, there are 
a couple options. 
1. If it was my Quickbeam, I'd just change my riding habits, and maybe 
cheat with a couple different wheels. 
2. If I could buy a friend's Hunqapillar, I'd raise the gearing a bit and 
add a dynamo light.
3. If I was starting from scratch, it would be a nu-Atlantis with parts 
from the Fitz:
- SON/Onyx 700c Quill wheels with RH 55s
- Nitto RM-3 flared drops (I guess I'd need a Discord stem)
- Basket
- A 26.8 Gravity Dropper post (or hone the seat tube to 27.2 and use a 
Thomson)

Philip  
Sonoma County, Calif

On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
> and equip it?
>
> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B Ixon IQ Premium 
> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>
> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
> dirt ratios.
>
> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
> vice.
>
> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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Re: [RBW] A Few Thoughts About FS posts

[Philip Williamson]

Agreed. I think the current situation (iPhone just changed that to “Siri 
ratio”) is fine. If you think some of your friends here might want to buy 
your item, post it. If you think you’ll get hand wringing or eye rolling 
over the bike, the parts, or the gear, and you’re not a troll… don’t.

That said, I think that’s a fantastic topic for a thread! 
“What for sale stuff do you have that you’d NEVER post on the Riv List?”

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif


On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 8:46:08 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I can’t imagine that carbon fiber racing bikes would be very popular on 
> this list. Anybody who knows this audience even a little will stick to FS 
> posts that readers here will respond to. I don’t predict a flood of ads for 
> un-Rivendellish stuff.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:15 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> To my mind Riv is both a brand and a philosophy. I think it’s great that 
> Grant’s ideas are getting traction with other manufacturers — a rising tide 
> lifts all boats and all that. I personally have no problem with for sale 
> posts that include Riv-inspired brands or builds.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Joe Mullins  wrote:
>
> I’m glad you brought these things up. I’ve had a thought on my mind for a 
> bit that might be appropriate to discuss here. (If not I apologize and 
> please delete this Jim. Also apologies if this has been discussed and I 
> missed it or if it’s in the moderator guidelines and I forgot about it.)
>
> My instinct tells me that only Rivendell bikes or frames should be sold 
> here. If I saw a Specialized bike or frame (nothing against Specialized 
> they’re just the first mega company that came to mind) for sale here, I’d 
> find it inappropriate. I saw a non-Riv (and to my knowledge not at all 
> Riv-related) bike posted for sale here recently and I thought it was 
> inappropriate. But I think it’s fine posting B-stone here since this group 
> is essentially a spin off of the original BOB group and because of you 
> know…Grant.
>
> But many here are into bikes from “friends” of Rivendell or Riv-related 
> companies such as Crust or B-stone. Crust sells Rivendell bikes alongside 
> their own. I don’t know of any other bike manufacturers who do that. Many 
> of us put Crust handlebars or Ronnie Romance bags on our bikes. We like 
> their stuff because they make stuff that is mostly in alignment with the 
> stuff Rivendell makes which is why we love Rivendell. 
>
> The reason I bring this up is because I have a Crust that’s no longer made 
> and may be considered rare that I’ve been considering selling. My loyalty 
> is to this group first and foremost and I’d rather someone here have first 
> dibs on a bike they might want rather than posting it on the 650b group 
> (where some here might see it), or Craigslist or last and definitely least, 
> eBay. I’m a member of the 650b group but I never go on there and can’t 
> remember if I’ve ever participated in any discussions there. 
>
> Should we make a list of non-Riv bikes that we feel appropriate to post 
> here, if any? If B-Stone counts, what is the criteria that will make other 
> companies count? Should we start a thread of Riv-adjacent bikes for sale 
> and keep all of it consolidated to a single thread much like the Craigslist 
> part 1, 2 and 3 threads?
>
> Thoughts? 
>
> Joe in Los Angeles 
>
> PS-I hinted about the said FS bike in another post here that brought up 
> Crust bikes. I felt that was not inappropriate ;-)
>
> On Nov 15, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Dave C  wrote:
>
> Thank you for the feedback and admin work.
>
> On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 8:30:34 AM UTC-7 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
>> Hey there - 
>>
>> Just slipping on my admin cap because I'm noticing a trend:
>>
>> There has been an increase in "no-price" For Sale posts which have ended 
>> up in the queue. While I don't feel they are made in anything other than 
>> good faith, it potentially changes the nature of this group to an auction 
>> house. There are other websites which do that.
>>
>> I've also noticed a number of Sale listing attempts (again, caught in the 
>> review queue as they are from newer members (or those who never posted 
>> before) for pretty general gear. That's much more of a grey area, as we all 
>> end up with extra bike stuff. But there have been a number of "swap meet" 
>> style posts that get pretty broad, or are even introduced with "I've 
>> cross-posted this into..." 
>>
>> For the second condition, I'll admit more leeway for those who share 
>> images and ride reports and the things that make this a valuable place. 
>>
>> For the first issue, moving forward if something is listed for sale 
>> without a clear asking price and lands in the queue, I'm going to not pass 
>> it through. And might ask non-moderated posters to specify a price if a 
>> 

[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Philip Williamson]

Quickbeams change hands pretty regularly, but I may have only ever seen one 
Riv Mountain for sale. Maybe none. That was one of the first Rivs I was 
ever made aware of, so I've been attuned to them.  A lot of early bikes 
might be in garages and attics.

The nu-Riv Platys seem to come up for sale a lot, but that might not be a 
high percentage of those sold. There might just be more of them, and more 
people active on the list. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif - Armistice Day

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 6:31:10 PM UTC-7 Justin, Oakland wrote:

> I wonder what the least resold Riv is? At least the smallest ratio or 
> percentage of resales to sales. Clearly the Riv Mountain is the least 
> resold. 
>
> -J
>

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[RBW] Re: Platypus and Mini-Motos?

[Philip Williamson]

Those gold minimotos make me (slightly) regret selling my blue ones. 
I'll get the Francis out and see if I can finesse some fenders under its 
(boring silver) minimotos. They really are amazing brakes. 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif - have a peaceful Armistice Day

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 7:34:09 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Brandon's Platypus runs MiniMotos with 44mm Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires on Velocity Atlas rims, as shown in an old news post from Will last 
> year when the Platypus first came out. 
>
> More here: https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/brandons-55cm-platypus
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-11-10 at 10.28.49 AM.png]
>
> Looks like there *might *be room for a 48mm in there but it would be 
> close. I run Snoqualmie Pass tires and MiniMotos on Atlas rims on my 
> Hillborne. If I had a 48mm RH tire I'd pop it in there and check for you 
> but, alas, I do not. 
>
> If you have the brakes on hand just try em out. If you haven't ordered yet 
> you could go with MotoLites to be on the safe side, they will definitely 
> clear. 
>
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 11:45:36 AM UTC-5 jcbrya...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I know Mike Varley at Black Mountain Cycles is a big fan of the Minimoto 
>> and specs them for a lot of Monstercross builds, which has a max tire size 
>> of 700x50. Paul discusses fender clearance in this video 
>> , but as Laing has said, 
>> there are other variables at play, namely the relationship between rim 
>> width and stud spacing and specific tire fit.
>>
>> I can take some measurements when I get home, but I have a pair of 
>> Motolites set up with Cliffhangers. The pads are set to the shortest 
>> extension and the arms had to be splayed outward a bit for brake pad 
>> clearance, thus reducing the vertical clearance. Not a problem with 
>> Motolites but this is significant in your case because you're flirting with 
>> the maximum allowable clearance for the Minimoto. I think a wide rim will 
>> be just enough to push you over the edge. Motolites would likely be a much 
>> better option. If you are dead-set on short pull levers, I'd recommend 
>> cantilevers.
>>
>> Side note: I remember seeing a set of custom Motolite brake pad collars 
>> on eBay that were designed to get the pads a bit further from the rim, 
>> which would allow the arms to sit vertically with wider rims. I thought 
>> some guy was making them, but it was apparently a one-off and they're long 
>> gone. With the popularity of wide rims (like 
>> Cliffhangers/Atlas/Quills/etc.), I think it makes sense and I'd absolutely 
>> pay extra for an alternate set of pad collars that work a bit better with 
>> my Cliffhangers.
>>
>> I'm currently going through a big cantilever phase, so I've been 
>> considering putting up my Motolites if there's anyone who wants to trade a 
>> set of Paul cantilever brakes.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 7:36:44 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Note that rim width changes the width of the tire not the height of the 
>>> tire. 
>>> The height of the tire is usually the problem, not the width.
>>> Proper adjustment of the brakes will impact the available clearance. 
>>> There more vertical that you adjust the arms on a V-brake like the Motolite 
>>> - the more clearance that you will have on the cross cable. You do this by 
>>> moving the spacers on the brake shoe attachments between the shoe and the 
>>> brake arm around. If the arms are splayed out like on a previous post, put 
>>> the thinner washers or no washer between the brake arm and brake shoe, the 
>>> leftover washers go between the brake arm and the attaching nut.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:53:18 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Here is a photo of the clearance when I had the Cavas on. A few things 
 to consider.


1. The height on these is 85mm and as pointed out above the 
minimotos are 81
2. I have pacenti rims vs your cliffhangers so I am likely not 
getting near full width (48mm)
3. The Cava's say "around 48" but they probably measure less even 
on a rim like the cliffhangers.

 So based on that I would account for there being around 8mm less 
 clearance in your setup. I would not have gone any larger in my setup and 
 in fact I dropped to 42's to get more clearance. I agree with Joe. Its a 
 safer bet to go with the motolites.

 On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:14:57 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> You're probably not going to find someone with MiniMotos on a Platy so 
> I did a bit of sleuthing. I have Motolites on my Riv custom with 47mm 
> tires, the straddle wire height is 103mm, here's the clearance I show. 
> MiniMotos have an 81mm straddle height, I think that 22mm difference is 
> going to bite you and that's not including that one of the arms bends 
> over 
> even lower. 
>
> 

[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendells Wilbury and FX/SS Custom

[Philip Williamson]

Is the Riv Fixie sold? 
That seemed like a special bike. An Ur-Riv, if you will, germinal of 
Rivendell bikes transcending the Proto-Rivs and the Golden Age bikes. I 
feel like it deserves a Tolkein name. 

Can you lay some of its history on the list? 
Feel free to start a new thread... :) 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif looking forward to Armistice Day 

On Thursday, November 3, 2022 at 12:28:09 PM UTC-7 Elton Lance wrote:

> I’m purging and have two lovely Rivs for sale:
>
> #1) *The Wilbury is a 60cm* with excellent parts throughout: 
>
> - Bars are Albatross alloy with Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem and Ultegra 
> headset.  
> - Wheels are polished Velocity A23 32h rims (rear O/C) laced with DT Comp 
> DB spokes to a White Ind M15 in the rear and a 32h SonDelux in front.  
> - BB is a Phil Wood.  
> - The 8spd drivetrain is an Ultegra RD and Ultegra 8spd Shifters (on Paul 
> Thumbies) paired IRD compact front. 
> - Fenders are V/O Zeppelin.  
> - Tubus rear rack is Ti.  
> - Rear light does not function and is a reflector only.  
> - Saddle and pedals are included, as are the Pitlock security skewers and 
> an additional standard set.
> - Sugino RD2 50/34 and an 8spd 11/32 cassette in back.
> - Rear spacing in 135mm.
>
> Saddle height in the photos is 77cm.  A new inverted/hanging Schmidt 
> eDelux II headlight w/R handlebar mount is included but not shown in the 
> photos.  Excellent condition with no dents or dings.  A few scratches 
> (shown in photos) with the most notable being on the drive side seat stay 
> and the front of the seat post lug (which was damaged in a previous 
> shipping event).  I’ll include close-but-not-perfect enamel nail polish. :)
>
> Asking $3000 plus actual shipping.
>
> Photos are here .
>
> ---
>
> #2). *Early and unusual Custom (S/N 950084) Fixed/FW Road (Waterford 
> built)*.  It would make an interesting 3spd build as well.
>
> As you can see here in the photos 
> , the frame is 
> Reynolds 753 and the fork 531.  Saddle height shown is 77cm. 
>
> Some other numbers:
>
> ST - 63cm (c-t)
> TT - 60cm (t-t)
> Stem - Nitto “Girder” 9cm
> Bars = Nitto Noodle 44cm
> Brakes - Campy C Record
> Levers - Cane Creek SCR5
> Hubs - Suzue Pro Max Carbon 32R/28F (Fixed/Free)
> Rims - Velocity AeroHead
> Spokes - DT DB
> Crank - Campy Record 170mm
> Chainring - Sugino 75 48t 3/32
> Rear cog - Phil 18t 3/32
>
> Also available is a second wheel set (tubeless) with C Record (aka 
> Sheriff’s Star) hubs and Mavic Paris-Roubaix rims built by Peter White (see 
> photos).  The tubular tires hold air but haven't been ridden in many years 
> and should be replaced. I’m running 700x28 clinchers on the Suzue wheel 
> set, which are about the max.
>
> Asking $1750 for the bike with either wheel set and and $2000 for bike 
> with both wheel sets (plus ConUS shipping at cost).  
>
> Saddle and pedals not included (but negotiable).  I have a good selection 
> of other quality cogs (Phil, EAI, etc) as well as several White Ind 
> freewheels if any of those might be of interest.  Mostly new or very nearly 
> so.
>
> _
>
> *Please inquire off-list if interested in either or both.*
> _
>
> Elton Lance
> Vero Beach, FL
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] FOR SALE : 6 CRANKS -$100 FOR ALL

[Philip Williamson]

That's a great half-haiku.
I feel like Alex could grasp life a little tighter, but maybe they're a 
minimalist.

Philip
Imagine Peace for Armistice Day

On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 7:43:59 AM UTC-8 Charlie wrote:

> ALEX DID NOT WANT 6CRANKS .
> STILL FOR SALE
> CHARLIE
>
> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 9:31:35 PM UTC-5 Charlie wrote:
>
>> Please contact me off list @ charli...@verizon.net
>>
>> On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 5:32:18 PM UTC-5 aleksandr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I will take these. Please. 
>>> Thank you
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 3:17 PM 'Charlie' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 6 CRANKS  - $100 FOR ALL 

 SOME HAVE NEW RINGS $170 mm LENGTH EXCEPT 1 HAS 175 LENGTH

 A HAVE MATCHING LEFT ARMS 

 ALL GOOD RINGS - NO BENT CRANKS

 THE BAD : HARDLY ANY  BOLTS THAT HOLD THE RINGS TO CRANKS

 BCD = Bolt Circle Diameter

 SR CUSTOM 118 BCD - 170 LENGTH ARMS - 52-40 TEETH WITH EXTRA 36 TEETH 
 CHAIN RING 

 SUGINO 110BCD - 74BCD - 170 LENGTH ARMS - 52-42-28 TEETH

 SAKAE 110 BCD - 74 BCD 170 LENGTH ARMS - 48-38-32 TEETH

 SUGINO 110 BCD - 170 LENGTH ARMS - 52-36 TEETH

 SUGINO AT (AERO TOUR) 110 BCD - 74 BCD - 52-42-23 TEETH

 SHIMANO 110BCD - 74BCD - 45-36 TEETHCIMG6605.JPGCIMG6603.JPG

 6 CRANKS FOR $100+SHIPPING $22 CASH OR USPS MONEY ORDER (POST OFFICE )
NO OTHER MONEY ORDER

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Re: [RBW] Re: Touring Front, Neo-Retro Back?

[Philip Williamson]

You should keep the v brakes.
They already are on the bike, they’re quite powerful, they are more out of 
the way of panniers, and aren’t affected by rack-top stuff pushing on a 
cable. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Saturday, October 29, 2022 at 4:09:17 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone, based on the brake arrangement, I have a question.
>
> But first, some background: I’m making some changes/upgrades so my bike 
> will be better equipped for day rides, multi-day trips, and light touring.
>
> Here are some of the considerations:
>
>1. Bike is a Joe Appaloosa
>2. Wheels will be Atlas 700c with Panaracer Gravel Kings.
>3. My rides are almost all on asphalt or concrete with a few dirt 
>trails or fire roads.
>4. Bike currently has V-brakes.
>5. I am planning to add a rear rack with panniers, no front rack.
>6. I weigh about 165. 
>7. I’ll be carrying some gear but I won’t be overloading the bike.
>
>
> *Question: Should I switch to cantilevers, or keep the existing V-brakes? *
>

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[RBW] Re: Brass on Newbaums

[Philip Williamson]

That looks good!
I did a similar wrap a few years ago on a couple different bikes, also 
using art project wire!
https://www.biketinker.com/2007/projects/copper-wire-to-finish-off-your-bar-wrap/

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif (but Yamhill County, Ore back then)


On Monday, October 24, 2022 at 6:46:48 PM UTC-7 Collin A wrote:

> I'm in the process of tinkering on the Appaloosa (going to SS finally) and 
> the process has involved several big changes and some not-so-big 
> changes...namely this one.
>
> Eric Marth's videos have inspired me to add more shiny brass bits to my 
> bikes, but without sending $5 per brass bolt! Instead, I had some leftover 
> brass wire (several hundred feet!) from a little art project I finished 
> several years ago now, and I have also always wanted to try the twine wrap 
> on the newbaums. In this case, I didn't want to buy some twine and figured 
> "Hey, I've got this narrow gauge brass wire, lets try that on my chainstay 
> wrap in case it turns out like crap." This was the result (with 2 year old 
> newbaums):
> [image: PXL_20221025_011343607 (1).jpg]
>
> Not the cleanest result, but the brass obviously has less twine-like 
> properties and forces a much tighter wrap and is less forgiving in the 
> final look. The final step of bringing the knot under the wrap is also a 
> bit of a nuance and is not as "clean," although I'm hoping to improve it 
> with some more attempts. For those curious, a 1.5m length piece of this 
> wire is 2.5g.
>
> I'm also going to try using brass washers under my stainless bolts to add 
> a bit of shiny to an otherwise mundane fastener...and those are only $0.10 
> a piece!
>
> Cheers,
> Collin, "fools gold" in Sacramento
>

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[RBW] Re: Painting a new fork

[Philip Williamson]

Six years ago, I had a frame and fork powder coated for about $120. My son 
did the contrasting paint with spray.bike colors. They worked fine; you 
need to hold them a few inches from the surface, unlike a traditional spray 
paint.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif
On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 4:45:51 PM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks JohnS, that’s a promising number! I’d consider a nice powder coat 
> job for $200-250 a steal! Would probably be at least that for the fork is I 
> had to have the accent colors. But I have no idea these days. 
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 11:08:59 AM UTC-7 JohnS wrote:
>
>> About a year ago I had a frame and fork stripped and powder coated for 
>> just under $200, which I thought was a bargain. The powder coat paint 
>> options have come a long way since the last time I had a frame and fork 
>> coated about 12 years ago. This time I choose "intense orange" which looks 
>> like metal flake and looks great.
>>
>> Good luck,
>> JohnS
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 12:36:21 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Rich, I bet it does! Nice and clean. 
>>>
>>> I sent a message to a local powder coating place to see if they do 
>>> bikes. There are a few options around at least. I don’t want to spend a ton 
>>> or I think Cerakote would be a great option as well. So thin that the lug 
>>> details would be even better than paint I bet!
>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:21:12 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:
>>>
 One of my bikes (single color) has two decals: headtube and a tiny "C" 
 on the seat tube. Otherwise clean as a whistle; looks great.

 Best
 Rich in ATL
 On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:34:38 AM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thank you for the reply Garth! I live in Spokane Washington. It isn’t 
> like when I lived on the other side of the state and my bikes saw rain 
> riding for most months of the year, but there is plenty of weather in the 
> winter. 
>
> It seems like it wouldn’t be terribly difficult to find a painter but 
> price is a bit of a concern at the moment. I really don’t know what a 
> full 
> paint job would cost. I plan to get a quote (powder) for the fork and 
> possibly the frame as well when the fork gets here. Spraying it myself 
> would be an option for this winter and then have it fully done next year. 
> Has anyone tried spraybike.us paints?
>
> I also like the clean look on a bike. Pictures are always welcome 
> Garth!
>
> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 3:43:11 AM UTC-7 Garth wrote:
>
>> I'd say it depends on where you live, does price matter, what 
>> painters are available, and as for doing it yourself, why not ? 
>>
>> I had my Bomba painted without any decals/logos mostly because I like 
>> unfettered clean paint. 
>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 4:46:45 PM UTC-4 fra...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Joe, that is what I was looking for. Also don’t want to 
>>> break any Rivendell rules to go for powder coating. It seems like the 
>>> way 
>>> to go since it sees year round use in place with wet and snowy winters. 
>>>
>>> The frame is reasonably scratched up as well though. Maybe I should 
>>> just have it all powder coated. Does a bike free from any logos seem 
>>> less 
>>> desirable to thieves? Ha! 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 11:24:59 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I think you're looking for "if it were me" thoughts from us so 
 here's mine: 

 The first Clems didn't come with the fork accents and I think it 
 looks fine. I have a powder coater place in town so for a 
 commuter/shopper 
 lock-up bike - which is what Clems are for! - I would keep the price 
 low 
 and the fork-covering tough and powder coat it. I don't know if he 
 could do 
 the accents. 

 On Tuesday, October 18, 2022 at 7:27:13 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> After talking with Will about my tweaked Clem fork, he thought it 
> would like a new fork would be better then trying to fix it. Easy to 
> talk 
> me into because mine has rust issues on top of being crooked (in two 
> directions). The cost wasn’t as bad as I thought either. It will 
> actually 
> be a Hunq fork because that’s what they had. Very slight rake 
> difference is 
> all I guess. 
>
> Anyway, it is a bare fork so now I get to decide how to paint it. 
> My Clem is Grilver and I love the color. I’m thinking of just having 
> it 
> powder coated for maximum durability since it is my daily commuter 
> and gets 
> locked up all over. I’m not sure the accent colors can be done with 
> that 

Re: Re: [RBW] Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Philip Williamson]

If anyone needs Speedblend tires for their period-correct 2004 Hillborne or
Quickbeam build, these are the first I’ve seen in a decade or so:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/santa-rosa-58cm-phillips-custom-single/7531796905.html

You might need to buy the patina-bike they’re attached to as well, though.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

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Re: [RBW] Re: Do Roadinis ride tall?

[Philip Williamson]

Without arguing against BB drop affecting handling and the perception of 
handling, I can’t see how stack can make a bike feel or ride “tall,” IF the 
bars are level with the saddle. I think the shorter reach makes you sit up, 
raising your head and giving you a narrower base (ass to grips) which I 
think might degrade balance on the bike. I’m much less “in” the bike on a 
smaller bike, even with the saddle and grips up. Jim Bronson also says his 
“tall” bike gives him a much more upright posture.

The reason I think reach drives the “tall” feeling more than stack: In my 
mind’s eye I can put my hands on the bars, and the bike can grow or shrink 
vertically and the stem and seatpost can make up the difference. My 
position on the bike stays the same. If, however, I shrink the top tube, my 
hands move back towards my hips and my head and CG move up. 

I like to measure my bikes saddle-center to grip-center, rather than 
saddle-tip to steerer-center.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 5:47:59 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

>
>> I don't think a rider can meaningfully feel a 5mm difference in BB drop.  
>> I think what you are feeling is likely Stack related.  A 54cm Roadini is a 
>> bigger bike than a 56cm RB1.  Is your stem slammed?  Slam that stem! :)
>> If you want to split the difference, ride your Roadini for now, and get a 
>> deposit in on a Nobilette Roadeo.  Sell the Roadini when it arrives, and 
>> off you go.  I'm not sure if you'd prefer a 57 Roadeo, or maybe a 55?  
>>
>>>

> I went and measured the stack and reach on both bikes. Turns out my 
> touring bike actually has a higher stack (71.8cm measured from BB to 
> handlebar hood) and reach (45cm measured from BB to handlebar stem center), 
> while the Roadini had 68.58cm and 41.91cm on both of those measurements. 
> What is significant is that the BB height on the touring bike is 10.5" 
> while the BB height on the Roadini is 11", which is a 1.3cm difference. I 
> guess I can definitely feel a 13mm difference in center of gravity shift, 
> 5mm of which is accounted for by the BB drop difference, and then other 8mm 
> is accounted for by the bigger tires (which is strange since the difference 
> between tires is basically going from 25mm to 30mm tires, but 3mm 
> difference might be within the margin of error)
>

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[RBW] Re: Green QB and Rock and Roads

[Philip Williamson]

Ah, yes, Bill is correct. I had the gear changing in the hub when I ran the 
Rock’n’Roads, and the axle was back in the slot. Current setup is two rings 
and a double cog with fenders and 37mm tires for two fixed gears with 
minimal axle movement. 

I think I posted the last response from my phone, which is like writing 
with an Etch-a-sketch in the Google Groups current “quiet firing” of this 
service.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 11:53:59 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I have a green 58cm Quickbeam, and my original build used Rene Herse 
> Hurricane Ridge knobbies (700x42).  That tire fits in front and is still on 
> the bike.  In the back, it only fit when the wheel was towards the back of 
> the dropout.  If the wheel is towards the front of the dropout, then it 
> rubs.  I use most of the full length of the dropout for gear changes, so I 
> need my rear tire to fit EVERYWHERE.  I switched out to a 700x40 with less 
> tread.  Moving forward, I may switch to Steilacoom (700x38) or I may try to 
> do some chainstay manipulation, but for me the Hurricane Ridge only sorta 
> fits.  If I was going to use my Quickbeam as a single gear bike, I'd use a 
> chain length that allows it.  As a multi-gear single speed, it's a no-go 
> for me.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 11:16:54 AM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave, yes, I’ve run Rock’n’Roads on my 60cm green Quickbeam. I don’t 
>> think there was 6mm on each side at the chainstays, though:
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/BX60d9mlTUF/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
>>
>> It was pretty fun riding in Annadel with a kickback wheel and those tires!
>>
>> Philip
>> Sonoma County, Calif.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 11:58:23 AM UTC-7 Dave Grossman wrote:
>>
>>> Can any green QB owners (I have a 62) confirm that they can fit a Rock n 
>>> Road in their frame?  I'm running a 42 Supple Vitesse right now and want to 
>>> max out some knobbies.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Green QB and Rock and Roads

[Philip Williamson]

Hi Dave, yes, I’ve run Rock’n’Roads on my 60cm green Quickbeam. I don’t 
think there was 6mm on each side at the chainstays, though:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BX60d9mlTUF/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

It was pretty fun riding in Annadel with a kickback wheel and those tires!

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif.


On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 11:58:23 AM UTC-7 Dave Grossman wrote:

> Can any green QB owners (I have a 62) confirm that they can fit a Rock n 
> Road in their frame?  I'm running a 42 Supple Vitesse right now and want to 
> max out some knobbies.

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[RBW] Re: One Rivendell to rule them all

[Philip Williamson]

Bill laid out a good summary of the different ways people approach this 
question.
I've only ever owned a single Rivendell - my 2004 Quickbeam.

   - As an answer to "what one Riv would you have among other bikes," it 
   would be my Quickbeam. I have this. If I had TWO bikes, the Quickbeam would 
   be one. 
   - As an answer to "what one Riv would you have as your only bike," 10 
   years ago it would be the Quickbeam, but today it would probably be an 
   Atlantis or some well-used 1993 Allrounder. I'm older, fatter, slower, and 
   I do longer rides and bike camp with other people. They do not ride fixed 
   gears in that way, even those with Quickbeams. When you're riding with 
   people it's more fun if you're rolling with similar equipment and rhythm. 
   "You do pretty good on that thing" gets tiresome. 
   - As an answer to "what one Riv would be perfectly optimized for a kind 
   riding you love," it would probably be a Legolas. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 5:24:18 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The OP asked the classic "which Riv if you could only have one?"  It's not 
> clear to me whether the OP realizes how little that question has to do with 
> bicycles or Rivendells and how much that question has to do with people.  
> There have been a good spectrum of replies, not directly because there's a 
> broad spectrum of Rivendells, but because there is a broad spectrum of 
> people who ride these bicycles.  
>
> One category of people is the "versatility" group, who would choose a 
> particular Rivendell model because they can set it up with different 
> cockpits, different tires, different rack and luggage configurations and 
> make one bike into many bikes over its life.  Another subset of the 
> versatility group are those with a single Riv build and it does everything 
> they need to do on a bike.  It's a grab and go machine that is down for 
> whatever.  Others have a much more surgical approach to their stable, 
> having a particular bike optimized for a particular kind of use-case.  For 
> those people, many would first choose "one type of cycling" and then choose 
> the perfect bike for that one limited use-case.  
>
> I'm one of those many-bikes people, and I have several Rivendells.  As of 
> now, I've got a Legolas, Quickbeam, Hillborne, and HubbaHubbaH.  I've also 
> had a Bombadil, Hilsen, two Atlantis', two Rosco Bubbes and a Roadeo.  I 
> have another Roadeo on the way.  If I had to limit down to one Rivendell, 
> and got to fully stock the rest of my stable with other things, maybe I'd 
> keep the Quickbeam.  If I had to limit my stable down to a single bicycle 
> and it had to be a Rivendell, I'd likely stick with the Hillborne.  If I 
> had to limit my cycling down to a single particular use case, and then pick 
> an optimized bike for that use case, and it had to be a Rivendell, then I'd 
> probably choose my forthcoming Roadeo.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 5:29:44 PM UTC-7 alexander...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm a new group member but long time Riv fan. I recently came the closest 
>> I've come to actually buying Rivendell, having only recently reached a 
>> point where it has not felt out of reach financially. Anyway, it got me 
>> wondering - what is the one model you would choose, current or 
>> discontinued, if you could only have one?
>>
>> Alternately, what is your favorite Rivendell you have owned?
>>
>> Asking in part because I am wondering where to start myself - I've wanted 
>> a Hunqapillar for a long time, and recently have become a bit obsessed with 
>> the Quickbeam as well - but every model seems great in its own way. Mostly 
>> just curious what you all find yourself riding the most though!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Canti-Rom - 63 cm - CA Delivery

[Philip Williamson]

What a great color! Rare bike, fat road tires, Golden Age fit and finish. 
I’d get this in a heartbeat, if I didn’t already have a shiny green “French 
Fit” custom. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Sunday, August 7, 2022 at 12:15:48 PM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:

>
> Bump: price listed includes delivery from me to California buyer in 
> August, with no unboxing. I’d just hand over the bike. Or make offer.
>
> I have additional photos sendable to anyone interested.
>
> - Jimmy Warren
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:51 AM, James Warren  wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
>
> Standover is just under 88 cm with the Panaracer 700x37s on the bike.
>
> - Jimmy
>
> On Aug 4, 2022, at 11:39 AM, Mike Godwin  wrote:
>
> Hi Jim
> What is the standover height on this beautiful bike?  
> Mike SLO CA
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2022 at 4:05:43 PM UTC-7 Jimmy Warren wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi RBW Forum Friends, 
>>
>> Photos show a bike that’s been in my large hoard that has always gotten 
>> way too few miles. (I have a Ram and a Hunq and a Hillborne and an Atlantis 
>> and about 12 other bikes, so the Rom has often sat in my collection as 
>> “cool to own,” but it’s a great, versatile road bike that needs to get out 
>> there. I’ve taken great care of it since 2006 (when I got it via trade for 
>> a Heron touring on this forum), and the frame has very few scratches and is 
>> in outstanding condition. 
>>
>> I have a 93 cm PBH, so this frame is about 1 cm too small for me. The 
>> long and high Nitto stem in the photos shows how I addressed it and made 
>> the frame size work for me.. I have many other stems if the buyer wants a 
>> different dimension stem swapped in (but that would mess up the cork bar 
>> tape.) The saddle height in the photos is probably a bit lower than my 
>> usual 81 cm. 
>>
>> Asking $1500 which includes delivery to the buyer in California. Avoiding 
>> shipping is my desire, and I enjoy CA road trips in the month of August. 
>> Before August 11 or 12 would be ideal. PayPal or Venmo 
>>
>> Components: 
>> Dia Compe canti brakes 
>> Tiagra drop bar brake levers 
>> Nitto stem 
>> Nitto Noodle handlebar - 44 cm 
>> Riv Silver bar-end shifters 
>> Shimano Ultegra headset 
>> Suntour XC-Pro crank triple: 46-36-24 
>> 12-34 SRAM 9-speed cassette 
>> Dura Ace front derailleur 
>> Deore rear derailleur 
>> MKS sneaker pedals 
>> Thomson seatpost 
>> Seller San Marcos saddle 
>> Panaracer Pasela 700x37 tires 
>> Rear wheel is Lesnik-built: Alex DM18 with LX hub, 36 spokes 
>> Front wheel is not a Lesnik: Sun CR-18 rim and a hub labeled “Shimano”, 
>> 36 spokes 
>>
>> If interested, email me at: 
>> jimmac...@gmail.com 
>>
>> Thank you, 
>> Jim Warren, long-time Forum member 
>>
>> Photos, and I have more: 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Best dynamo headlight for road riding

[Philip Williamson]

IQ-X
I’ve got a black one and a silver one. The mini “mu” taillight is also 
quite cool.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:30:02 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I was going to yank the Best Dynamo Hub thread onto a tangent to suit my 
> own intents and purposes, but I forbore. So, a new question.
>
> I have an Edeluxe I, have had it for 15 years or so, and it's a trooper, 
> but it has 2 defects:
>
> 1. The beam is rather narrow compared to later lights (and to the Edeluxe 
> II, I understand), and:
>
> 2. The standlight is a wimp: about 60 seconds before it turns into a 
> glow-worm for another 30 seconds and then goes out. (The 2015 K-Lite by 
> contrast still glows dimly after 5 or 6 hours; big capacitor.)
>
> A few years ago I had a high-end (if there are levels, this was an 
> upper-class level model) but now (I think) discontinued headlight on my Hon 
> Solo that gave a brighter and broader beam than the EI, and had a normal 
> standlight -- 3 minutes or so.
>
> So, 2 questions:
>
> 1. The best headlight without regarding anything but brightness, beam 
> width, and standlight longevity?
>
> 2. The best ditto made with a metal case? (For me, the metal case would be 
> a purely cosmetic advantage, but I like pretty.)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Since I just talked about the K-Lite: that's a wonderful off road light -- 
> 1200 lumens claimed on High -- but its beam does not have a height cutoff, 
> and since it is so very bright, it's impolite if not criminal to use it 
> regularly against oncoming bike traffic.
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Wald basket rusting. Equivalent in stainless steel? Or how to prevent rust?

[Philip Williamson]

Wald baskets come in black. Rivendell even has their large “racer” baskets 
in black. I was intrigued by Analog’s cerakote stuff, but it was mostly out 
of stock. Cool idea, nice colors.
The only rusting I’ve had on my baskets is the bits where I sanded the zinc 
off so my friend could weld the basket to a rack.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif


On Monday, July 11, 2022 at 1:09:14 PM UTC-7 J J wrote:

> Has anyone come across a good stainless steel basket around the same size 
> as the 139? I'm not concerned about weight. I love the Wald, but the 
> rusting has gotten too much. 
>
> Or has anyone successfully treated a new Wald with a clear coat of some 
> sort to mitigate rusting? If so, what did you use?
>
> Thanks very much.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Philip Williamson]

That bike is fascinating. Pro touches like cable clips, but inelegant cable 
arcs; well worn drivetrain but unused toe straps (twisted under the pedal 
but only once, then anchored with a tiny zip tie); twined and shellacked 
bars but a big tape gap under the lever. Brand new brakes, colored cable 
end, but the cable isn’t tucked behind the brake.

I agree on the bar setup being… not to my taste, but it validates the 2003 
date. That was the peak of the jacked up drop bar era. “If Grant says to 
raise the bars above the saddle, and more is always better… voila, bliss!” 
Someone built it with their old road bike parts, brand new cantis and 
saddle, and never road it again.

Or, an avid cyclist got a Riv custom in 2003 when he was about 50, rode it 
a lot in Michigan until he retired in 2014 when he gave it a Florida 
makeover and used it to pootle around town till now, when he’s getting an 
e-bike.

Philip
Nevada City today

On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 2:56:52 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I have to say -- and I bear conscientiously in mind that others have their 
> own standards for bike fit and comfort; but I have to say that the bar and 
> stem juxtaposed with that particular bike make me wince. I personally would 
> think very hard about a sweepback bar -- or another bike entirely -- 
> instead.
>
> Why? The stem and bar show that the rider needs a setup that this 
> frame/bike is not designed to give.
>
> Over and out.
>
> Patrick Moore, whose first 26" wheel road custom was designed around the 
> All Rounder model (steepened angles, road tubing and lugs) -- anecdote, 
> boring, avoid if sensitive: I talked to Grant in early 4th Q 1994 and said: 
> "I want a bike for road riding that rides better than my 1992 XO-1." Grant 
> said: "Oh, it'll be better." And so it was. But the result was a 54 cm st 
> c-c (for me, who was measured for 60cm level-tube c-c by a pro). Later, 
> having received, ridden, and been delighted by the bike, I told Grant: "I'm 
> going to announce my size on the iBoblist." Grant said, "Don't you dare."
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 12:52 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Nice bike but I don't think the "2003 custom" title is accurate, 
>> especially as he says it was repainted only a year later. I believe it's a 
>> mid-'90s Waterford All Rounder. 
>>
>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 10:09:13 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Rivendell Custom
>>> 49cm
>>> $3,285
>>> Vero Beach, FL
>>>
>>> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3372283/
>>>
>>> [image: p6pb22849817.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 2, 2022 at 1:07:21 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 Heron
 61cm
 $2,000
 Santa Montica, CA

 https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3366921/

 [image: p6pb22809883.jpg]

 On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 2:21:49 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Atlantis
> 56cm
> 1800
> Seattle, WA
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-atlantis/7500600207.html
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Re: [RBW] FS: Saddlebag and backpacks

[Philip Williamson]

PM sent for the ILE - sometimes my iPad flings those into the ether.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Saturday, June 25, 2022 at 11:40:20 AM UTC-7 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> Still available and price drops!
>
> 2. Inside Line Equipment (ILE) Apex Day Pack - $75 - Like new, barely 
> used. Really cool bag with a port for a hydration bladder. The material is 
> brown waxed canvas. 
>
>
> https://ilequipment.com/collections/backpacks/products/apex-daypack?variant=996729304
>
> 3.. Osprey Syncro 5 backpack - $50 - Great shape and a great bag if you 
> like carrying hydration on your back. I personally try to not use backpacks 
> on a bike these days. Does not include a hydration bladder. I removed the 
> helmet tab but will include it if you want to reattach it. 
>
> https://www.osprey.com/us/en/product/syncro-5-SYNCRO5.html
>
> More photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:09:55 PM UTC-7 Joe Mullins wrote:
>
>> 4. Tool roll sold. Backpacks still available!
>>
>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:47:49 PM UTC-7 Joe Mullins wrote:
>>
>>> 4. Swrve Stationary tool roll - $30 - brand new never used. 
>>> https://swrve.us/collections/belts-and-bags/products/stationary-tool-roll
>>>
>>> More photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
>>>
>>> [image: _MM_5795.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 6:06:55 PM UTC-7 Joe Mullins wrote:
>>>
 Yikes we're going to have to renegotiate our terms! Or perhaps I will 
 do the same for any items you might be selling and we can even it out...


 On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:03:26 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> You can send the 33% kickback to this address via Paypal.
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 4:35 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Patrick you're a great spokes person! I need you to comment on 
>> all my sale to help sell them and give you a commission!
>>
>> David, someone else reached out about the Junior but you are next in 
>> line if they pass.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:29:23 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot to add that, if you don't need to carry clothes on your 
>>> commute, just lunch, small laptop (13"), repair kit, perhaps the jacket 
>>> you 
>>> wore inbound, and small sundries, the Junior is a perfect size.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Kilts!

[Philip Williamson]

That sounds like a challenge. I have a MacKay kilt and a Utilikilt I never 
wear. Maybe cycling would give them a new life. No chance I’m buying a 
whole third kilt to ride bikes with though.
I bet there’s a caber carrier I could get, too. Some sort of trailer 
apparatus.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif 

On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 8:08:53 AM UTC-7 philipr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Time to come clean on this one. Which is that the ultimate in comfortable, 
> summer cycling wear is a kilt! Actually, not just any kilt, this is a Sport 
> Kilt which I ordered slightly shorter than traditional and is made from a 
> lighter weight, easily washable fabric.
>
> Questions I get asked;
>
>1. Doesn't it blow up around your waist?
>   1. No, the center panel stays firmly put between the legs, the 
>   skirt blooms up just enough to show those sexy cyclists thighs!
>2. What tartan is that?
>   1. I'm actually a Perth Drummond but that's hard to find, marrying 
>   into the Ross Clan buys me "rights" to wear this Ross Hunting tartan - 
>   aside from the battlefield there's no real social etiquette around 
> this, 
>   pick one you like.
>3. What do you wear underneath?
>   1. None of your bloody business! Actually, truth be told, the Riv 
>   Andiamo undies make an excellent compliment to a kilt if you're not 
>   comfortable breezing along.
>
> https://sportkilt.com/
>
> [image: PXL_20220624_144801375.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: front carrying options for 2022

[Philip Williamson]

Hi Minh,
I read all the thoughtful responses, and they brought up ideas I hadn’t 
considered. My suspicion on the cause of any shimmy is the stacked flex 
points in the handlebar to load system. 

Your setup looks fine and I think a basket is the height of chic. If you 
have a basket, you don’t need a bag, right? I do like small bags attached 
to the outside of the basket. That’s a nice way to “modern” up your setup. 
https://www.instagram.com/p/Ca_EscbLkTC/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

My Quickbeam doesn’t shimmy with a front load, but I’ve got a steel Salsa 
stem, with steel Sycip Java Boy bars, previously (15+) years with WTB 
flared drops. The basket is welded to the rack, which attaches to the canti 
posts and fork crown, and previously (14+ years) I used hose clamps. Solid 
either way. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 12:21:10 PM UTC-7 Minh wrote:

> hey all thanks for comments.  i guess part of me asking is that this 
> classic combo does feel a little 'old fashioned', but it is super versatile 
> and the shopsack is like a perfect fit for the basket.   i just pass all 
> these cool looking front bag options!
>
> i may be exaggerating a little bit the shimmy and wobble, its hard to nail 
> down but sometimes it feels like the load will start shifting and 
> osciliating, its never out of control but it does make me sit-up and pay 
> attention--i can feel 'something'.  John, makes a good point, this bike 
> does have pretty serious front wheel flop, so it could be that i'm feeling 
> too.
>
>  the basket is held on at the moment with a mix of zipties and straps, but 
> maybe i can stiffen things up with some cross support?  How are people 
> attaching the baskets? 
>
> Re: the perilous part, i know that Riv/Nitto are very conservtive with 
> both weight, and warnings about using the racks as support for a handlebar 
> bag instead of a static load.  and i am as nuts as all of you, when i had a 
> platrack on this setup i carried a car batttery and watermelon in my 139 
> basket!  
>
> Stephen, which front rack are you using for the 139?  
>
> Again thanks for all the thoughts, will try to be more aware of weight vs 
> wobble feel.  i've been riding to work so its pretty much the same load, 
> but will focus on it more!  
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 11:52:15 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I also think your setup looks good Minh, I'm a big fan of the shop sack & 
>> 137 combo, however I use the nitto m1 rack. In my experience i think there 
>> is always going to be some degree of flex when you have a rack 
>> combined with swept back bars and a quill stem, especially as your load 
>> weight goes up. I think of it as compounding flex points: a little in the 
>> rack struts, a little in the quill length, and a little in the bar. It gets 
>> more noticeable as each of these lengths get longer. I have a basket setup 
>> on my ram with albastache bars and a really short 50mm technomic and the 
>> flex isn't noticeable unless im carrying a lot of weight. 
>>
>> I also have an appaloosa set up with a large basket rack and a 139. I 
>> initially ran losco's with an 11cm stem, which felt really noodly with any 
>> decent weight in it, switched to the riv bull moose and it stiffened up 
>> considerably. 
>>
>> I've also tried the carradice/bxb/fabs style bag up front and I'd say it 
>> reduces wobble. It may effect handling in other ways but it seems to me to 
>> be less flexy since you are torquing the front load directly through the 
>> handlebars instead of handlebars -> stem -> steer tube/fork -> rack. 
>> however, I still tend to prefer the shopsack basket combo because I like to 
>> just pick up the bag and go whenever I park the bike.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> I just read your post again and maybe this isn't really addressing the 
>> issue, if its more a problem of the bike shimmying at higher speeds. I've 
>> experienced that on some lighter tubed bikes, i never really had a solution 
>> beyond carrying less weight. 
>> On Wednesday, June 8, 2022 at 10:45:57 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> Another thing to try and eliminate shimmy is to use a fork crown mounted 
>>> brake cable stop instead of the one at the headset. Its worked for me on 
>>> several bikes and now its all I use. Steve
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:27 AM 'John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 From your pictures, your front rack/basket seems to be set up as good 
 as it can be, i.e., the rack is as low as possible and all the weight is 
 on 
 the rack, none is on the bars.  I do not see any improvements there

 So the shimmy is likely caused by the amount of weight on the front and 
 the high trail & flop inherent in you QB.  The QB seems to be a 56 or 58cm 
 frame and per the RBW specs on Cyclofiend ( Cyclofiend: RBW: Frame 
 Geometry Archive Info 
  ) HTA is 72.5°, 
 rake 

[RBW] Re: Grant Petersen Discussion on Reddit

[Philip Williamson]

Ah, Three Dog Night. They won more Grammys in one night than Bob Dylan did 
in his entire career.
Which is about as fruitful a comparison as one crew of nerds commenting on 
the opinions of another crew of nerds.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 4:49:52 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> This reminds of Three Dog Night . the band ... for all you pretend 
> kids out there. 
>
> "Joy To The World  All the boys and girls now . joy to the fishies 
> in the deep blue sea . joy to you and me "
>
> A Joyful Fishy is a free fishy  
>
> Neither da'bait or da'baiting
>
> For all the Sea
>
> Joy to You and Me
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 12:02:46 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> I saw this post - read the top comment and immediately went on my merry 
>> way. It's an opinion bias and Grant sees it's a good setup for recreational 
>> riding and makes bikes to make this easily attainable. I think there's 
>> still a strong bias that "low drop bars are for serious cyclists, high bars 
>> are not". As somebody in their mid thirties with lingering neck and 
>> shoulder injuries I can't go below the saddle - it's  a fun setup. but I 
>> can't without physical harm. I'm happy that somebody has really rallied  
>> this high bars as a viable build option that works well for touring, 
>> camping, commuting etc and is building nice frames and components around 
>> that. I also don't theoretically disagree with Jan Heine's opinion on long 
>> and low rando setups can be just as comfortable. My body however, agrees 
>> 110% with Grant. 0% with Jan. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 6:11:57 AM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> If you've been following Grant's "Bicycle Sentences" on Instagram you 
>>> probably saw the one about saddle to handlebar rise. It spurred an 
>>> interesting Reddit conversation linked here: Reddit 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
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[RBW] Re: The Whimsical Illustrations of Uncle Rinne

[Philip Williamson]

I follow this artist on Instagram.
https://instagram.com/uncle_rinne

Really cool, sweet, drawings.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif


On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 4:39:41 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> A recent Bikepacking 
>  profile on 
> Tetsuro Ohno highlights his 'Uncle Rinne' character. Many of his 
> illustrations seem to align well with The Way of the Riv.
>
> The Japanese concept of 'rinne', when applied to the bicycle, is 
> particularly poignant, in my view. 
>
> Cheers, 
> John
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-03-13 at 9.37.51.png]
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[RBW] Re: Legolas Rackless Dirt Rando build

[Philip Williamson]

Really well done on the build! What a beautiful bike.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Saturday, February 12, 2022 at 9:48:51 PM UTC-8 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> Hey y’all,
>
> Got this Legolas from a list member here. I had it built very similarly to 
> the previous owner initially, but made some small changes recently to 
> differentiate it and I’m really happy with it. 
>
> I plan for this to be my gravel bike (loose segments are hard still). But 
> I can throw the matching 38mm Barlow Pass tire on the front and have a 
> plush rackless road rando rig. I have a bag coming in for that exact 
> purpose. 
>
> Here it is.
> Album here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/M7EahK87ixkGdN1D7
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Favorite 26" tires

[Philip Williamson]

I hope you enjoy the tires! I’ve got three bikes with RH (or Compass) 
tires, some for years. I have two sets in the shed for another bike, and to 
swap out knobbies for slicks. I enjoy the ride of those tires, and I 
haven’t had bad flatting issues. My last set of flats were pinch flats, 
including a rim dent, so I don’t blame the tires. I blame rainstorms 
washing the dirt off the trails, exposing many many large sharp rocks. And 
I will take that over drought any season.

I have periodic gout flare ups that destroy me for walking, but I can still 
ride without pain. I hope your issues aren’t that!

Philip
Annadel Park, California  



On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:16:05 PM UTC-8 Lynn Haas wrote:

> There are no better reasons :)
>
> I went to the LBS and they are ordering in some RH tires. It’s only three 
> blocks to the shop, but I have some mobility problems and rode instead of 
> (painfully) walking. It was 10 degree today so that was a bit of an 
> adventure. It was so very nice to get outside and feel the bike come alive. 
> And that concludes my ride report.
>
> Lynn
>
> > On Feb 4, 2022, at 3:44 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> > 
> > IME, oh yes indeed. If the principal reason for riding is fun, as it
> > is for me, the superb rolling and cushioning qualities of RH EL tires,
> > even those only 28 mm wide, are worth even more than $150 a pair.
> > Others' priorities may differ.
> > 
>
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[RBW] Onyx hubs from Rivendell in 135 rim brake flavor

[Philip Williamson]

This is a big deal - that combo is available from Onyx, but you need to 
contact them directly. It’s nice Riv has a semi-exclusive. If you want a 
cool color (or black) Analog can hook you up as well in the same size. 

The Onyx really is nice. I have a soft spot for fancy hubs going back to my 
WTB Grease Guards, and King/Bontrager radial wheels. When I first wanted an 
Onyx hub, I bought the parts for a Chris King / CR-18 wheelset AND a used 
SON/CR-18 dynamo wheel for about the same cost. The next time, for a 
different bike, I bought a used White Industries / Dyad wheelset for about 
the cost of an Onyx wheel if I built it myself.

Finally I bought the Onyx. It’s silent. I hear people’s hubs in YouTube 
stories and say, “What the hell is that noise? Oh right.” It has 
near-instant engagement which I like after decades of fixed gear riding. It 
has a “soft” engagement as you pedal forward where my WI clashes sometime 
going from buzzy coasting to engaged. With very little pedal movement even 
in low gears, it’s easier to start on a hill in rough ground, and it’s 
easier to ratchet the pedals to clear an obstacle on the trail while 
climbing without losing momentum. And it’s silent.

After riding the Onyx for about a year, I sold the King wheelset I built, 
and I’m giving the White Industries the side eye, figuring how much its 
sale would offset the cost of a silver Onyx from Riv. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif 

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[RBW] Re: 61cm Ritchey Road Frame/Fork/ Headset

[Philip Williamson]

Wow, that's beautiful. Way under square, which might make it a good 
candidate for moustache bars. Or a sweet old 130mm Salsa stem. Or just 
someone with a shorter torso than I have. 

Lots of good Tom Ritchey content in the old Readers. 
Good luck with the sale. 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif. 

On Sunday, December 26, 2021 at 4:53:40 PM UTC-8 bdcamp...@gmail.com wrote:

> Given the shared DNA between Ritchey & Rivendell, I thought this might be 
> of some interest to RBW members. It is also posted on the i-BOB list.
>
> Selling what I believe to be a 1977 or 1978, Tom Ritchey road frame, fork 
> and alloy Campagnolo Record headset. The frame is fully fillet brazed as 
> was Tom's specialty.
>
> 61cm seat tube c-t
> 57cm top tube c-c
> 1" threaded Campagnolo alloy headset
> 130mm rear spacing
> 27.2 seat post
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WyXABuccLLtM4rR19
>
> I purchased this frame from the second owner (that is what he told me) who 
> moved from Northern California to Swarthmore, Pa to teach at Swarthmore 
> College in the 1980's.
>
> The bike sat in his damp basement for a couple of decades and as such 
> needed a complete restoration to bring it back to riding condition. He also 
> drilled the brake mounting holes so he could mount recessed brake calipers.
>
> I sent it to Franklin Frames where it was stripped, primed and re-painted 
> in Imron Metallic Berry. The decals are vinyl transfers from Velocals.
>
> I had Jack at Franklin Frames inspect the brake mounting holes ( he said 
> they were fine) cold set the rear to 130mm and add a second set of water 
> bottle mounts. The bike was aligned (front & rear) and shifted flawlessly 
> when I had it set up with 10 speed indexed Shimano components.
>
> I am asking $1,000 plus shipping via Bike Flight.  I am in Berwyn PA, 
> 19312. Payment via Paypal or Venmo with the buyer to cover and fees. I am 
> also willing to drive and hour to deliver or have some one pick up if they 
> are local.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Campbell
> Berwyn, PA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell Timeline - it's happening!

[Philip Williamson]

I agree about the charming hand-made artifact-ness of the paper and ink 
version. It’s super clear and well designed. There’s lots of space to the 
sides for builder names or notes.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 8:00:47 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I love the drawing.  Please keep it in the digital version.  I connect 
> better w/handwritten, hand drawn.  More comprehensible to me.
>
> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 7:19:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Yeah good point about the Soma, if I'm going to mention Heron by the same 
>> logic that frame should be included. I debated that one also. 
>>
>> Redwood is a neat one, being a different name for the tallest sizes! I 
>> assume the distinction is some design difference (tubing?) to suit the 
>> extra big 65/68 sizes? 
>>
>> On Sat., Nov. 27, 2021, 4:15 p.m. Karl Wilcox,  wrote:
>>
>>> I am glad to see you got the ‘Redwood’ frame in there!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Karl
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 27, 2021, at 3:29 AM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>>>
>>> Nice Jason, and needed.  The Road was followed quickly by the Road 
>>> Standard, I think by '96.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 27, 2021 at 1:45:44 AM UTC-6 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I spent the afternoon and evening trawling the full set of Riv Readers, 
 as well as old copies of the Rivendell website via archive.org (it was 
 veloworks.com/rivendell first, then it was rivendellbicycles.com, then 
 moved to the current home of rivbike.com - I've perused probably 
 upwards of 100's of snapshots of these sites today).  

 I don't have nearly as deep of experience with Rivendell as some of you 
 so I wanted to run this timeline by y'all and see if you can point out 
 omissions or errors in my timeline. There are a lot of permutations of 
 some 
 of these models of course - I have pretty detailed notes about where each 
 model was made (including many which went through a few shops) in addition 
 to the timeline, which I plan to include in whatever final form this 
 takes.  

 Please let me know if you see something missing or incorrect!  Note: I 
 left Protovelo's out because I'm not considering prototypes to be 
 relevant; 
 I might be missing some Rosco's but only the Bubbe 51 and Road 55.5 are 
 ones I have any info on. The step-thru version seems to have snuck past my 
 research so far. 

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[RBW] Re: OT but at least as good as Dylan: help finding best source for some digital music

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks Nick for the Foobar2000 recommendation. If I dig into it, it might 
be what I’ve been looking for since I downloaded all my Google Play Music 
tracks and Apple Music Match failed to match most of them. I’m enjoying 
Apple Music now that it’s got lossless, but I still want an offline library 
of my own music.

The Web Archive is great. You can listen to old 78 recordings! When we left 
Portland I sold my turntable and all my records, including a box of rare 
78s to a guy who followed me out of the record store that wasn’t interested 
in them. As the guy scampered away with his $5.00 crate of shellac, my 
friend shook his head and said, “He looks way too happy.” Up until last 
week when I checked the Web Archive, I’d never seen some of those songs 
anywhere, but the Andrew’s Sisters “Avocado Song” is up there free for all. 
I got that guy’s $5 and he probably threw out his back hustling that crate 
down the street.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Wednesday, November 10, 2021 at 8:43:45 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> Most of my music is ripped from physical CDs, of which I must have 
> somewhere around 1000, but I have purchased some recordings via iTunes. 
> Once I have the music files downloaded in iTunes, I back them up a) to my 
> media server, and b) to my phone, and I play them either from the media 
> server - my Marantz amp can stream digital files from the server - or I use 
> the Foobar2000 app on  the phone to play them, either through BT headphones 
> or through the car music system. So even if Apple and iTunes vanish from 
> the face of the earth (one can only hope), I will still be able to play the 
> files.
>
> Nick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pick your brains about spoke count?

[Philip Williamson]

My first thought was, “32h is fine, don’t worry about it,” but Bill reminds 
me that not everyone rides the same, and you should consider your own 
style. 

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif.
On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:27:44 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Adding onto Eric's correct comments.  I'd say the rider technique has a 
> lot to do with the reliability of wheels also.  Some riders just seem to 
> know how to ride light.  Others simply don't.  There are light weight 
> riders who destroy wheels because they don't know how to ride, or they do 
> know and just choose to ride in a way that is harder on wheels.  There are 
> clydesdales who do just fine with low spoke count wheels because they know 
> what they are doing.  I think of it in the same way you observe horse 
> riders.  Some people just seem to glide along, and others ride a horse like 
> a bag of meal.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 11:15:47 AM UTC-7 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> In my experience, the quality of the rim and spokes and the skill of the 
>> wheelbuilder matter much more than the spoke count. A well-made 32-spoke 
>> wheel will outlive a cheap 36-spoke wheel any day. 
>>
>> I’ve ended up with several bikes with 36-spoke wheels, but more by chance 
>> than design. I ride on some “classic” hubs that were made at a time when 36 
>> was the standard. 
>>
>> --Eric N
>>
>> On Oct 25, 2021, at 11:05 AM, George Schick  wrote:
>>
>> Lately I've noticed that many suppliers aren't offering any 36 hole rims 
>> or hubs, as though they're going by the wayside.  A quick check into the 
>> Phil Wood website shows they're only offering 36 hole in a few models.  And 
>> another check into a major virtual bike shop with "36 hole" as a sort 
>> criteria showed only 19 rims available in that count among the nearly 60 
>> available in 32 hole.  BTW, when checking both sites I noticed "sold out" 
>> for almost everything - scary, I think.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 12:17:13 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I would always go with the 36. One reason is that the spokes at the rim 
>>> joint cross, so the spoke tension is working to close the rim joint. This 
>>> was the reason to go to 44 instead of 40 or 48 many, many years ago, but I 
>>> think that 44 is an obsolete spoke count at this point. Rims are so much 
>>> better now that it probably does not matter any more. At 280, I have lots 
>>> of bikes with 40 and 48 spoke rims. But I don't break spokes on my 32 hole 
>>> rims either.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 25, 2021 at 6:39:44 AM UTC-6 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hey all!
 Hypothetically...does an Atlas wheel set with 32 spokes for a 6'3" 210 
 pound dude make sense if he's on an unloaded Sam and using it as an 
 all-road bike? No singletrack/mountain biking, jumping, etc... Tires would 
 be AT LEAST 40mm, possibly up to 44mm. 

 OR...is it 36h or bust if you're a big fellow? 

 Thanks,
 Ben in Omaha

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[RBW] Re: Fenders for bikes with big tires

[Philip Williamson]

I have some VO noir 63mm fenders for my non-Riv custom, to cover Fleecer 
ridge tire. 
Unfortunately, the fenders are still in their (quite nice) packaging, 
hanging on the wall of my shed. 

The fenders look great, and in the future I will figure out how to mount 
them with V-brakes. For my particular bike, that looks non-trivial, since 
the brake cross-wire would pass directly through the fender. My hypothesis 
is that I can just run the wire OVER the fender with a bit of helicopter 
tape to protect the fender. Wires go around corners all the time. 
I haven't tested my hypothesis yet, but if you've got V brakes, you might 
want to visualize where the fender will intersect. 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif

On Sunday, October 3, 2021 at 11:45:34 AM UTC-7 johnny@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello,
> Winter is coming **
>
> And so fenders are needed. I have a Hunqapillar with some big 2.1" tires. 
> My fender requirements are that they must fit, be pretty and not too short. 
> I like long fenders because long fenders + mud-flaps keep the muck off.  
>
> Here's where I'm at... 
>
>- Planet Bike fenders are too short, I think. These must be for 
>Californians 
>- PDW Full Metal Fenders are great, i have them on a different bike, 
>but unsure if the 55mm will fit my 2.1's
>- The SKS B65 may fit the bill, it's what Riv recommends, but they 
>look really short (here 
>
> 
>  is 
>the riv link with pic) and... plastic
>- Velo Orange seems to have some nice fenders in 63mm here they are 
>
> 
>
> These are going to last a really long time so price isn't really a 
> deciding factor. I also want them to look good, because I'm vain. After 
> typing all of this it appears I'm leaning toward the VO fenders, how do 
> folks here feel about them? How's their longevity?
>
> thank you,
> Johnny B in Portland
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Re: [RBW] FS - Riv/Blue Lug caps

[Philip Williamson]

The Riv/Blue Lug hat fits my 7 5/8 head perfectly. I can tuck my ears under 
comfortably, but I wouldn’t want it any tighter.

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif
On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 4:17:41 PM UTC-7 CoalTrain wrote:

> I have a 7 3/8 and mine fits perfect. It would probably fit comfortably on 
> a 7 1/2 or 7 5/8.
>
> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 2:39:22 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> The one I mentioned above is now sold.  I tend to think that it might be 
>> problematic for larger heads but maybe someone here that has a larger head 
>> and one of these hats might offer better advise.
>>
>> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 3:07:53 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> What's the fit like? I got a big noggin (housing a small brain) and hats 
>>> never fiy me right. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 10:43:15 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 I also over ordered.  I have a brand new never worn tan one.  $60 
 shipped as above if anyone is interested

 On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-4 Jay Lonner wrote:

> Both hats have been spoken for - thanks for the interest. If the deals 
> fall through for any reason I’ll reach out to other respondents.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Aug 26, 2021, at 5:18 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I bought two of these, one in each color (tan and olive) hoping that 
> they'd fit my size 8 head. No dice. They're lovely hats and I really like 
> the vintage herringbone twill. They sold out quickly! They sold for $55 
> apiece plus shipping, and since they are brand new and unworn apart from 
> trying on for sizing I'm asking for $60 shipped.
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
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[RBW] Re: 62cm Rambouillet for sale

[Philip Williamson]

Oh man, that’s a beautiful bike. Creamsicle!

Philip
Sonoma County, CA

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 2:30:52 PM UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:

> Good heavens list, this is a buy! 
>
> If I didn't already have this bike in this size I'd be all over this. For 
> the cost of a repaint and the wheels you get an entire bike, even if a road 
> trip to the Queen City is necessary. 
>
> My preference for orangesicle Rambouillets might be showing. They're the 
> fastest color. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 9:42:36 AM UTC-5 erics...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Rivendell Rambouillet 
>>
>> 62cm 2003
>>
>> Built with top quality components.
>>
>>
>> Salsa seat post. 
>>
>> Brooks B17 seat. 
>>
>> Nitto noodle 44cm handle bars. 
>>
>> Nitto 120mm stem. 
>>
>> Brooks bar tape. 
>>
>> Ultegra triple brifters.
>>
>> Ultegra triple 175mm crankset 52/39/30.
>>
>> Dura ace front and rear triple derailleurs.
>>
>> Ultegra 12-28 cassette.
>>
>> Front wheel 36h Campy hub hand laced to Mavic Open Pro. 
>>
>> Rear wheel 36h Chris King hand laced to Mavic MA3. 
>>
>> Shimano long reach brakes with Koolstop pads. 
>>
>> Roly Poly tires. 
>>
>>
>> Also included:
>>
>> Two bottle cages
>>
>> Nitto R10 rack
>>
>> Rivendell banana bag
>>
>> Rivendell large trunk bag
>>
>> Frame mounted pump
>>
>>
>> $2500 plus shipping and PayPal fees. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Susie in a downhill bike park

[Philip Williamson]

I would have loved to see that. 
I would subscribe to your YouTube channel!

Philip
Santa Rosa, Ca 

On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:50:45 PM UTC-7 benjami...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thought folks might be interested in my recent experience taking my Susie 
> to Deer Valley lift-serviced downhill bike park.  Overall it was highly 
> enjoyable despite dealing with ridiculous bros.
>
> Got a ton of looks and comments, ranging from very positive ("Right on!", 
> "Old school!", "Love it!") to puzzled and dismissive ("good luck, buddy").
>
> She handled great! I don't ride downhill hardly ever, but she was super 
> balanced even on the black diamond stuff that the bros were tearing down. I 
> was able to keep up with my friends who were basically riding soft dually 
> suspended pillows. I found my Tosco bars to be perfect for the descents, 
> and my 2.5" Terravail's at 10psi to be enough to absorb a lot of the bumps 
> and grippy in tight corners.
>
> I was a little nervous about how she would do on some fairly gnarly 
> terrain and she was great.  Not looking to spend too much time at bike 
> parks, but good to know she is up for the challenge if I do.
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[RBW] Re: Question for people who have ridden Compass/Rene Hearse tires

[Philip Williamson]

Excellent, Chris!
My 58mm G-One Speeds had some self-steer, where they’d try to climb the 
crown of the road, or suddenly get grabbed by a crack in the asphalt. The 
BQs you’re getting explain the physics of the runner, I think. I only 
noticed it on a low-trail bike, and not all the time; high trail bikes 
didn’t do that. It makes sense that low tire pressure causes or contributes.

I switched to RH 55mm knobbies, and haven’t noticed it again. I think the 
less rubber area keeps the tire from steering the bike. On dirt, I never 
noticed any of the self steer.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA



On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 1:52:29 PM UTC-7 Chris L wrote:

> Since increasing the pressure, as everyone here recommended, I'm now 
> enjoying the tires quite a lot.  Tomorrow, I plan to air up the tires and 
> it will be interesting to see how much the pressure has decreased, as a 
> little flop is coming back.  My impression is that they (RH ultra-light 
> tubes) may need more consistent air pressure adjustments than I'm used to.  
> Also, I've put off buying Compass/RH tires for years, due to fear of flats, 
> but the Endurance casing gives me some piece of mind and a Zefal pump is on 
> it's way.  
>
> I will say the tires have reignited my love of riding my bike.  They 
> handle extremely well in slow speed maneuvers and even better in higher 
> speed situations.   The traction in tight curves is amazing.
>
> Gratuitous pic of the Hunqapillar from yesterday's ride:
>
> [image: 20210614_081741.jpg]
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 3:08:52 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>>
>> Using the Ideal Tire Pressure spreadsheet (based upon the chart linked 
>> from the RH website) and assuming 30 lb bike for a total of 410 lb and 
>> 45%/55% front rear weight distribution - it comes up with 47 psi front / 57 
>> psi rear for 55mm wide and 48 psi front / 58 psi rear for 54mm wide. The 
>> calculation is based upon actual tire width on the actual rim used, not the 
>> advertised width. Add a few more pounds and subtract a few more centimeters 
>> and you could easily be at 50 psi front / 60 psi rear.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>> On Saturday, June 12, 2021 at 10:48:55 AM UTC-4 Chris L wrote:
>>
>>> I just put a set of 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a set of Dyad rims and 
>>> installed them on my Hunqapillar.  
>>>
>>> The tires, at slower speeds, have a TON of self-steer and in anything 
>>> other than a straight line, they are LOUD.   
>>>
>>> Riding on a 3' wide sidewalk, just slightly turning the handlebar 
>>> results in the very loud sound of the tires.  Is this something that 
>>> decreases as the tires get broken in?  I assume it's one of the tread 
>>> patterns  that may be more "grippy" to help in turns. 
>>>
>>> The self steering is awful.  I'm talking worse than a 1984 mountain bike 
>>> with Repack geometry.  
>>>
>>> I started the tires at 40-45 psi, which as a 380 lb rider, is where I 
>>> generally run tires this size.  During the ride, I lowered the pressure on 
>>> the front a little, but didn't notice any appreciable difference.  
>>>
>>> I've run 38mm tires and two sets of 50mm + tires on the Hunq and never 
>>> experienced self steering at any level.
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: A Raspberry Racing Platypus and a QuickGrilver Clem Vs.A Roadie on Killer Hill

[Philip Williamson]

Wait. So you attempted to race someone who wasn’t racing, and then failed, 
because your kid couldn’t be bothered, but also because you weren’t strong 
enough to bring it off? Kudos to the kid, but I’m pretty sure “the roadie” 
didn’t even register the the drama. 

Philip
Maybe I’m too old for this testosterone bullshit in Santa Rosa, CA



On Sunday, March 14, 2021 at 8:41:36 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 269F6687-1E73-4DC9-ABC6-A84D0D1AE0A9.jpeg]Today Baby Bear (he’s 
> 12) accompanied me on a ride. We were just beginning our ascent of Killer 
> Hill when we noticed a roadie up ahead. He was on the path, and not the 
> road, and his Lycra was rather tight. He had the glasses, the carbon, the 
> kit - he was telling the world he was LEGIT. I wasn’t buying it. I looked 
> at my son, who was looking at me and mirroring my expression. 
>
> “Let’s get him,” I said.
>
> Now, let me set this scene for you. My son is about 60 pounds. He’s 
> piloting a 45 cm Clem H with a large Nitto rear rack and basket, and a 
> couple of handlebar bags. Huge 2 inch Kenda tires on those heavy stock Clem 
> wheels. His bike weighs half his body weight, I’ll bet. And worse, he’s out 
> of practice. He used to dance up that hill, but he doesn’t negotiate Killer 
> Hill much these days (my kids are in virtual school so no bike 
> commute)...but facts be darned, we’ve decided. 
>
> Baby Bear has a strong start, and I follow behind. He rings his bell to 
> alert the roadie to our presence. The roadie is NOT expecting anyone else 
> to be climbing this hill on a bike, and especially not passing him, so it 
> doesn’t compute and he misses it. I give him two pretty Spurcycle dings and 
> an “on your left” and then he knows. We shoot past him at a higher speed 
> than we’d ever normally take and again, exchange looks, this time worried 
> ones. Our incline is rapidly increasing and we are going too fast. We have 
> 3/4 of a mile to go. Baby Bear is standing on his pedals and breathing hard.
>
> “Well, we’re committed now,” I tell him. And I mean it. I can’t slow down 
> even if it kills me. I’m going to ride my raspberry racing Platypus up 
> Killer Hill with my Saddlesack and unicorn Platypus pin and if I go into 
> cardiac arrest at the top it will have been worth it. 
>
> I don’t realize I’ve dropped my kid. When I do, I see that he has been 
> passed by the roadie after he (OH COME ON) stopped to take a drink of 
> water. The roadie and his unfortunate Lycra are now in the middle of a 
> Peterson sandwich. 
>
> I’m separated from my son; I can no longer see him, and it worries me. I 
> can see the roadie clearly, though, and he’s still coming. Mother of the 
> Year here, I have a tough choice to make. 
>
> And I make it.
>
> Breathless and exhausted, I stop at the top of the hill and watch the 
> roadie approach. He will know I’m waiting for my son now and that I have, 
> indeed, won.  When he gets close I close my mouth, slow my breathing and 
> smile at him so he won’t know I am actually about to die. He averts his 
> eyes but he does say hi. After a long while, Baby Bear comes into view. He 
> is sheepish about being bested after such a strong start but he also 
> doesn’t berate me for ditching him. He knows I had to do it. He’s glad I 
> upheld the family honor; we get each other, Baby Bear and me. If he 
> couldn’t do it, he knew I was gonna have to. 
>
> Anyway, Baby Bear is going to take on that hill more often so he can smoke 
> roadies on his QuickGrilver Clem next time.
>
> Leah 
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brand New Nitto RM-3 Drop Bars

[Philip Williamson]

That’s a good bar and a good price.
I’m tempted, but trying not to hoard or swoop on the good deals.
There are two of them in my bike setup survey here: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMno5xNBI60/?igshid=uz3s7r4nde5g, but the OG 
WTB bar is exactly the same, and the the Midge bar is very similar. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA



On Saturday, March 20, 2021 at 1:08:27 PM UTC-7 bria...@gmail.com wrote:

> $78 shipped OBO. CONUS only. 
>
> Payment via Paypal friends and family (or add the fee).
>
> Pic: https://imgur.com/3RfKs6p
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[RBW] Re: Shoe recs for platforms

[Philip Williamson]

I’m on my second pair of Chrome Kursks.
The old ones lasted years, off-road and on.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 6:17:22 PM UTC-8 Adam wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I've seen a few old threads on this topic, but am curious what shoes 
> people like for their platforms? I'm using the newish grip monarchs.
>
> I've been riding in an old pair of running shoes for a number of years, 
> but the holes are getting out of hand and it's time for them to retire. I 
> tried a pair of fairly rigid spd shoes that I had sitting around from a few 
> years ago (without the cleats) and while I like the rigidity, the grip 
> doesn't hold up when they're wet.
>
> I'm finding that I like the additional stiffness. Trying the mushy running 
> shoes again, they feel pretty bad. I'm not sure how they didn't bother me 
> all those years.
>
> So what's grippy (esp when wet), not too hot, decent in the rain, and 
> reasonably stiff?(doesn't have to be cycling specific)
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!
>

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[RBW] Re: How to Video for First Time Cloth Bar wrappers

[Philip Williamson]

Wrap AWAY from the bike??
“Die heretic!” 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tuesday, February 16, 2021 at 10:16:54 AM UTC-8 James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:

> We put together a cloth bar wrapping primer for first timers.  It's a bit 
> different than the Riv method, and involves Fizik Gel.  I'd say it's 
> easier, but more involved, than most methods, just cause we use glue.  New 
> to the shop gal Tikko put the vid together, Candice does the wrapping.  
>
>
> https://youtu.be/vFwLiWboeBk
>
> -James / Analog Cycles
>
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[RBW] Re: Questions about bars and brake levers

[Philip Williamson]

Black 31.8 flared drops in either 52 or 58 at the ends. Hoods are much 
narrower. I like the 58. I got a 52 at a great price from Analog, and 
Candace said “you probably won’t like it if you’re over 5’2”. She was 
right, at least with the Ritchey Force stem on the RoadLite. I swapped for 
a 58 and put moustache bars on the Frances.

https://www.bike-components.de/en/NITTO/RM-3-SSB-31-8-Handlebars-p73417/#product-image-14
https://analogcycles.com/product/nitto-super-flare-heat-treated-dirt-drops/
These used to be easier to find, and the silver 25.4 ones were harder to 
find. Times change.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA


On Monday, February 15, 2021 at 10:58:29 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> My Monocog (so much prettier than Leah's Platypus) is surprisingly 
> comfortable with the stock (at least, that's what I got with the bike as 
> second owner) mtb bar after I cut fully 8" off of it, but the shortening 
> also cut off the ends that curved backward, and now there is only a minimal 
> rearward angle; I'd like more. Also, I'd like more positions, both a sit up 
> and beg type position and a lower and narrower hard-surface cruising 
> position in addition to the sit-up-and-beg.
>
> I know that I could get what I need with a longer (say 110 or 120 mm 
> instead of 90) and higher (say 45* instead of 30*) stem, but the Monocog 
> has cable discs (which work perfectly well with mtb levers, btw -- no 
> rubbing, strong, only rather grabby). If I were to swap in a drop bar, I'd 
> have to change the levers.
>
> 1. Jones bar or flared drop or something else? I don't want a bar with 
> huge rearward sweep and, in fact, if I were to buy the Jones bar I looked 
> at, I'd amputate all but fistfulls from each end.
>
> 2. If drop, which one? I'd like a flared drop for dirt and brush control, 
> but with slightly narrower hoods that are comfortable when cruising on 
> flat, hard ground, not hugely wide (of the 6 or 8 flared drops I tried over 
> the years, from the original WTBs to the an On One bar of some sort that 
> was far too wide, a 44 cm Salsa Bell Lap was the best, but that was 10 
> years ago or more. I'd set this up higher and closer so that the hooks are 
> comfortable on (flat) singletrack, but the hoods comfortable for cruising 
> with elbows bent, and the flats for situpandbeg.
>
> 3. Brake lever question: One advantage of the Jones is that I could use 
> the existing levers. But for a drop bar, another question: Has anyone 
> experience using cable *MOUNTAIN BIKE *discs with *NON-AERO ROAD* levers? 
> Those in question are an old pair of mid-level Campy *non aero* levers.
>
> 4. On One Mary? I find the present too-straight cut down mtb bar more 
> comfortable than the apparently similar Suly Open bar, though.
>
> Ta!
>
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: New look for rivbike.com and new News blog

[Philip Williamson]

This is pretty cool.
I agree when people say to stick the nav bar to the top of the screen and 
to organize the categories by subtype. OptimalSort 
 offers free card sorting 
software, which can help organize categories. Its super helpful, even used 
internally, and card sorts are fun exercises.
I think the different size images could work if the size had meaning, or 
the categories were broken down. I had to shift scanning modes from “words” 
to “images.” Then I didn’t mind so much.

Hopefully you get happier customers who come more often and buy more stuff! 
 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 8:56:21 PM UTC-8 Dave wrote:

> Hi Everyone, 
>
> Just a heads-up that we launched a new theme today for the rivbike.com 
> webstore. We enlarged the photos all around, spruced up the homepage, 
> improved the search, and updated a number of things for a smoother 
> experience on desktop and mobile. We hope you like it!
>
> The other big reveal is that the Blug, our newsy blog that has been on 
> Tumblr ever since 2010, has now moved within rivbike.com to 
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news.   With that move, you now have one 
> site for all the latest product updates, news and Grant's blog. Just head 
> to the homepage.
>
> Enjoy and let us know what you think. 
>
> Dave Schonenberg
>
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[RBW] Re: 11 speed with Silver DT shifters works great!

[Philip Williamson]

Andrew, your success makes me happy.
I did a 1x11 a few years ago, with a Silver downtube shifter. That feeling 
of “wait, this is EASIER,” was unexpected. I agree that it’s probably 
because there is less room to do it wrong.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 2:01:43 PM UTC-8 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I'm sure to most, this is a 'no duh' situation but throwing my hat in for 
> the approval vote regardless. If there are any die-hard 9 speed friction 
> fans out there like me, this might be of interest. 
> Before I thought: 
>
> A) the Silver DT shifters don't pull enough cable to fit 11 speed
> B) I'd be spending the majority of the ride feathering the gears 
>
> Wrong and wrong. It works shockingly well, perhaps even better than 8-9 
> speeds perhaps because there's simply less room to mess it up. Now I 
> probably wouldn't enjoy it as much with shifters that didn't utilize the 
> ratcheting system since I can feel how the ratchet sorta auto-corrects the 
> right engagement point when I'm changing gears but that's a topic of 
> personal taste. 
>
> My setup is an Ultegra 6800 long cage rear mech, 11 speed chain, 11-34 105 
> cassette, and a Grand Cru 50.4 46-30 crankset.  
>
> Obviously the downside of all this is cost but if anyone was building up 
> something new and was 11 speed friction curious, give it a shot! 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

[Philip Williamson]

I enjoy the “Bike Brand Guru = ‘70s Guitar God” game way more than I enjoy 
listening to ‘70s guitar gods.
I only know Rory Gallagher from the Black 47 song “Rory.”

I’ll watch the Russ video later, and then comment if I have anything to say.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA


On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:30:51 PM UTC-8 john...@gmail.com wrote:

> I absolutely agree with Ben's point about how both Rivendell and Crust 
> have tried to build up a subculture around their brands that is about more 
> than just the bikes. 
> At the same time, doing this helps people get an idea of what you can do 
> with the bikes they make, e.g. the way the Scapegoat is a model designed by 
> someone who does
> a very specific sort of riding.
>
> Couple more guitarist-frame builder connections:
>
> Tom Ritchey > Tony Iommi: Played pivotal role in creation of entire genre. 
> Had to compete with a flamboyant frontman to get credit (Ozzy/Gary Fisher)
> JP Weigle > Robert Fripp: Perfectionist with distinctive style. Not well 
> known outside the circle of cognoscenti
>
> On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 at 19:43, Ben Miller  wrote:
>
>> Okay, okay, I have to admit Johnny's comparisons of "Riv is to the Dead 
>> as Crust is to Bowie" got a laugh out of me. That and some of the other 
>> comments got me thinking a bit, Riv and Crust are more than just the bikes. 
>> Sure other bike companies were influenced by Grant: Surly, Velo Orange, 
>> Rawland, etc, but I'd make a case that they lack the personality that Riv 
>> and Crust have. 
>>
>> Crust literally started because Matt made the bikes that he and his 
>> friends wanted to ride: Evasion/Matt, Scapegoat/The Goat, Cheeco/Angelica, 
>> and Romanceur/Ronnie. That's pretty bold and subversive in a Riv way. And 
>> these are bikes that definitely didn't exist in any other form at the time. 
>> In many ways, the Bombora which Russ used in the comparisons is the most 
>> "normal" bike in the Crust lineup (Dan from Bike Insights made a flowchart 
>> and to get to the Bombora the answer is "Man, I just want a bike. I'm not a 
>> weirdo")
>>
>> But even more than that, the team a Crust is then filled out with these 
>> personalities. Much like Riv highlighting their team through "Staff Bikes" 
>> and their Instagram account, Crust does that too with their Elevator to 
>> Hell videos. And both companies use their platform to raise awareness to 
>> causes they care about. Crust's sponsoring of the Slim One because they can 
>> and think it is the right thing to do is along the same lines as Riv's BRF 
>> experiment, though perhaps less controversial. And Grant being open about 
>> cash flow problems isn't that different from Crust taking a break over 
>> holidays and being open about feeling overwhelmed at the time. 
>>
>> All this adds up to two companies that are almost as much about the 
>> people as the bikes. I find myself routing for Grant and Matt, hoping their 
>> projects work out even if I don't want that particular one for myself. I 
>> definitely can't say that about Surly or New Albion. In a way, both 
>> companies are a bit like custom builders because of that, you feel a 
>> personal connection. I think that is what the makes the Rivendell vs Crust 
>> comparison so unique. 
>>
>> As far as guitarists: James Iha, Dave Navarro, John Frusciante. Yes, I am 
>> Gen X.
>>
>> (Disclaimer: I will tip my hat to Velo Orange, especially when Chris at 
>> the helm, feels like a company that had a real personal touch and a sense 
>> of humor) 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 9:44:58 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Just to clarify, I'm certainly not getting bent because I'm not a fan of 
>>> the video editing (or the content, for that matter.) And whether or not he 
>>> is making money, or is trying to make money, or is performing a public 
>>> service because he enjoys the luxury of enough free time to do so, is not 
>>> really relevant. He is obviously sincere in what he does and seems to have 
>>> a decent following. And good for him. After watching the video above, I 
>>> would not be able to use it to make a decision as to which bike might be 
>>> better for me. On the one hand, he refers to the Bombora as spicey and 
>>> sporty. On the other, he says the Riv's steering is quicker, but keeps 
>>> calling it relaxed and chill. Hard to tell, but it looks like maybe the 
>>> Bombora has more drop from saddle to bars. Who knows. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 12:15:36 PM UTC-5 mrg...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I love bike comparison videos of every kind. I want to see Rivs vs Rivs 
 with some tiny difference, Riv vs Crusts, Surlys, carbon TT bikes, 
 everything. I want to see "I took my Electra Townie to a pump track", 
 "super-low-trail bike vs penny farthing for grocery getter", "55 Atlantis 
 29er vs 56 Atlantis 650b", "Same bike with 12 different handlebar setups", 
 etc.  

 I like what Russ at Path Less Pedaled is doing; he's all about the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Philip Williamson]

If you aren’t messing up your wheels, my understanding is that “cowgirl”
style is fine.

If you lean the bike WAY over with all your weight on one pedal, maybe
you’ll need to true your wheels more often? Good wheels (in the context of
this list) probably can handle it with overhead to spare. Cheap wheels go
out of true anyway, so there’s no real control for the experiment.

Now I want to try the “flying cowboy,” instead of just straddling the bike
and pushing off with the left pedal, which a eems pretty style-less. I do
sometimes do the “gentleman’s step-off” on the fixed-gear, where the bike
doesn’t stop, and you go from riding to walking seamlessly. It seems like
the bike has to lean just as much for that maneuver, and I’ve never had
problems.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 2:38 PM Roberta  wrote:

> " As far as getting on/off bikes I have always used the "cowgirl" method:
> left foot on left pedal, push off with right foot and swing my leg over
> while in motion. "
>
> Linda,
>
> That is the way I get on and I never knew I was doing it "wrong"  either.
> Nowadays, though, I get a bit more nervous about falling if I don't get the
> speed and balance just right when mounting.  I'm getting a mixte (not a
> step thru)--a Platypus.  It will be easier to tilt the bike and go over the
> top tube than what I sometimes do now--tip the bike to over an even higher
> top tube.
>
> Roberta
>
> On
>
>> As far as getting on/off bikes I have always used the "cowgirl"
>> method: left foot on left pedal, push off with right foot and swing my leg
>> over while in motion. I have never had the flexibility to swing my leg over
>> a diamond-frame bike with my left foot on the ground. I had no idea until
>> recently that my mounting method is "wrong" because it puts sideways stress
>> on the frame. I have a true mixte frame, Velo Orange, and can just barely
>> step over. That frame has the traditional double "top tube" and there's too
>> much flex if I'm carrying a load or riding on gravel. Rivendell has the
>> right idea with a single "top tube"
>> Linda
>>
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[RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Philip Williamson]

I have only ever heard mixtes referred to as a kind of step-through 
bicycle, not as separate concepts. “All mixtes are step-through frames, but 
not all frames are mixtes 
.”

To my eye, the Clem L design starts out as an “Anglais,” and kicks in a 
little “col de cigne” at the seat tube, for style.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Monday, January 25, 2021 at 8:07:56 AM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> This is not correct. A mixte is not a step through. Because, at least 
> without serious contortions for a normal person, you can't step through it. 
> They are two separate designs. A mixte can more easily accomodate certain 
> clothing choices, and with more clearance allow for sliding off the saddle 
> for frequent stopping in city traffic. Can also be mounted similar to a 
> step through if you lean it enough or step like a Rockette.
>
> Step throughs do not have the same triangulation found in a diamond frame, 
> or even a mixte. (This is also why mixtes with twin, side by side skinny 
> top tubes are often rather noodley in larger sizes and/or carrying loads.) 
> Start using very light tubing on a step through, and you will start to 
> introduce a bad kind of flex--especially if you want to carry a thing or 
> two, which is part of the point of a Clem L, no? A loaded 59cm Clem L 
> apparently verges on this unwanted flexing, according to reports out of 
> Rivendell during the early days of the Clems.
>
> Even if you designed it using the same tubing as a Susie, by the time you 
> add everything back on, you will hardly have made a difference in terms of 
> ride response, other than to possibly introduce  unwanted flexing under 
> load. Unlike peanut butter and chocolate, some combinations are just not 
> meant to be; they are contradictory by their very nature. Learn to mount 
> the Platypus like a regular diamond frame until you hit your 70s or 80s, or 
> practice leaning it away from you before performing the step through. In 
> any case, I suspect it's those big ole cowgirl boots causing the problem;^)
>
> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 11:56:42 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Kai, 
>>
>> I think the whole mixte/step-through thing can get convoluted and 
>> confusing because a lot of frames we nominally call mixtes apparently 
>> aren't. I believe - I could be wrong - the only true mixte is the Platypus 
>> frame style (also Purple Riv Ana's) where the dropped toptube meets a third 
>> set of stays that travel all the way to the rear of the frame. Therefore 
>> your Rosco Mixte and my Riv Custom Mixte are really step-throughs. But mine 
>> is higher than the Platypus mixte and Clem L step-through so what the heck 
>> do you call *that?*
>>
>> What I *think* Leah is asking is if there's ever been a Riv Custom 
>> step-through with a really low toptube, and I can't remember one. But it 
>> sure would be sweet, it could be done with a combination of lugs and fillet 
>> joints just like mine got. Check out the pic and imagine my toptube was 
>> dropped way lower, then did that nice Clemmy curve at the bottom to meet 
>> the seattube with a fillet weld. Someone should order this! I'll bet it 
>> would look great in Raspberry Metallic 
>>
>> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 8:24:05 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Where does step through start? I consider my Rosco mountain a step 
>>> through, but I do need to lift my leg a bit. I think Clem L is lower, but 
>>> I've never swung a leg through one.
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 11:21:14 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 There's a famous one in Seattle, it's purple. Maybe not step through 
 enough? Pretty step through though..
 -Kai

 On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 11:06:41 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> You know I’m a Clem-lover, and mine took me through the worst days of 
> my life this last year. It’s nearly perfect and has only one tiny flaw - 
> it’s a bit heavy/overbuilt for a woman my size. I’m also a Platypus 
> lover, 
> and it’s only drawback is that I miss my step-through top tube. Otherwise 
> both bikes are perfect.
>
> I was on a night ride tonight, and when I nearly kicked my top tube I 
> wondered...has anyone made a custom step-through? And why ever not?
>
> If Rivendell ever saw fit to make a Susie Clem, I’d jump. But I don’t 
> think there are plans for that, so I’m left to wonder...what a custom 
> step 
> through could be like... This is speculation only. But isn’t it kind of 
> fun?
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Has anyone ever made a Rivendell custom step-through?

[Philip Williamson]

Here is Sumehra’s pink custom with S couplers.
https://twitter.com/sumehra/status/879020629663592449?s=21

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA



On Sunday, January 24, 2021 at 8:06:41 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> You know I’m a Clem-lover, and mine took me through the worst days of my 
> life this last year. It’s nearly perfect and has only one tiny flaw - it’s 
> a bit heavy/overbuilt for a woman my size. I’m also a Platypus lover, and 
> it’s only drawback is that I miss my step-through top tube. Otherwise both 
> bikes are perfect.
>
> I was on a night ride tonight, and when I nearly kicked my top tube I 
> wondered...has anyone made a custom step-through? And why ever not?
>
> If Rivendell ever saw fit to make a Susie Clem, I’d jump. But I don’t 
> think there are plans for that, so I’m left to wonder...what a custom step 
> through could be like... This is speculation only. But isn’t it kind of fun?
> Leah
>

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Re: [RBW] Leah Peterson Takes A Stand

[Philip Williamson]

That Park stand is the standard.
I am so cheap, I built and rebuilt bikes for years and years until i got a 
stand as a present. Life changing. 

Philip
Santa Rosa,CA

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 7:26:44 PM UTC-8 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I have a Park Tool stand similar to this one:
>
>
> https://www.parktool.com/product/deluxe-home-mechanic-repair-stand-pcs-10-2?category=Portable
>  
> 
>  
>
> I’ve had mine for a few years. Folds up easily, holds the bike very 
> steady. The clamp rotates to hold via the seat post (my preferred location) 
> or the top tube. 
>
> Mine differs from the stands on the Park web site in the way the legs fold 
> up and in the way the clamp works. Otherwise very much the same. I can 
> highly recommend it.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Jan 19, 2021, at 7:04 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> Ok, that got your attention. 
>
> I’m not actually taking a stand so much as BUYING a stand. I have had it 
> with trying to work on a bike on its kickstand. Tonight I tried to put 
> sealant in my tire and the tire deflated and my Clementine tipped over. 
> Hopping mad...that would be an apt description of me in the garage tonight. 
> I’m sick and tired of wrecking my back and fed up with the awkwardness of 
> working on a bike that is always threatening to tip over. I’m taking a 
> stand against not having a stand.
>
> I know Rivendell sells a stand but last I checked, it is sold out and also 
> $$$. Is there anything that makes their stand worth waiting for? 
>
> I don’t have many preferences, save two: I don’t want something that takes 
> up a bunch of room, and I want the clamp to be on the seat post. (Not the 
> frame.)
>
> You’re the best!
> Leah
>
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[RBW] Re: Friction 1x11

[Philip Williamson]

Friction shifting 11 speeds is easier than friction on 9. Shifting isn’t 
fussy at all.
I have a silver downtube shifter. The throw of the shifter is maxed out - 
it’s parallel to the down tube at each end of the throw, but that’s fine.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
On Saturday, January 9, 2021 at 10:24:37 PM UTC-8 Sam Perez wrote:

> Any one have any experience with a friction 1x set up ? I'm really 
> curious, but was discouraged bc I've herd anything above an 8s suffers on 
> friction mode, is there a shifters that would be adequate and is the 
> shifting more fussy ?
>
> Thanks
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[RBW] Re: ROADUNO - a new singlespeed!

[Philip Williamson]

How about those colors and graphics?? I love them. 
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/no-22-december
The headbadge is no Rosco Bubbe rocketship, but #2 is quite nice.

(Chrome ate my longer post)

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 3:03:18 PM UTC-8 Nathan F wrote:

> From today's BLAHG:
>
> "1. *RoadUno,* a onespeed derailerless country-kind of bike (not modeled 
> after a track bike). For pavement, town, commutes. It's not a trail bike. 
> You can ride it on dirt and gravel roads, but it's kind of rude to ride it 
> on hilly and rough trails. More on it way below."
>
> Sounds great. I'm praying for purple (no grey or RBW Blue, please--sorry 
> but they use 'em too much) and v-brakes. Based on the name I think the 
> latter is unlikely : (
>
> - Nathan in PDX
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Re: [RBW] When to Abandon a Bike Project and Move On

[Philip Williamson]

This is my thinking as well. Build up a rideable bike, and don’t worry 
about the “perfect.” When I saw you’d traded away a Minimoto, I thought, 
“Well there’s your problem right there.” If you went fixed, that’s all 
you’d even need. Cantis or Vs would be fine, brake levers and fixie wheels 
are dead cheap on Craigslist if your bike is 120 spaced, and 130 spaced 
road wheels are also pretty cheap and available. 

Ride the bike a bit, and then strip it and sell the pieces.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 5:30:41 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> It doesn't seem like you're that far off, just a few hours of wrenching 
> and you would have a rideable bike. Canti front, R559 rear, as a trial, and 
> use an existing rear wheel (if you have it) with spacer for the single 
> speed. Sometimes "good enough" is better than "just right."
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 1:43 PM Collin A  wrote:
>
>> Ok, so short story long:
>>
>> Bought a cool looking steel frame from a local shop that was built as 
>> part of a small-batch of prototypes for a project that never got off the 
>> ground. This was bought when I made the move from the hilly Bay Area to the 
>> flatlands of Sacramento, so I initially started building it as a single 
>> speed levee gravel bike, but clearance and braking (with long reach 
>> calipers) was a bit meh, especially when it got muddy (sticky clays out 
>> here vs. decomposed granular rock in the bay). So rather than be satisfied, 
>> I began the modifications planned, which included:
>>
>>- (achieved) A different fork with more clearance, fender mounts 
>>(cause why not?) and canti posts
>>- (achieved) Crimped stays for more clearance
>>- (TBD) Adding canti posts to frame, along with more crimping in the 
>>rear for even more clearance
>>- (TBD) building single speed dedicated wheel, and the original 
>>wheels are now sold
>>- (TBD) brakes, started with R559s, but then switched to mini-motos 
>>which I have since traded for some paul cantis to be used on the Appaloosa
>>- (TBD) Cockpit, have stem, bars and seatpost, but no brake levers 
>>(see above, currently do not have brakes option finalized)
>>- (Sorta figured out) Drivetrain, got the cranks/rings, pedals, but 
>>no freewheel yet.
>>
>> The use has since been changed now to also fit more of a commuter that I 
>> am more comfortable with locking up, along with a dedicated rack/basket 
>> combo and generally be a bike that I don't have to worry about as much when 
>> it comes to maintenance, storing inside, etc. but it is trending to be a 
>> more expensive bike than I'd like.
>>
>> The sticking issue in my mind was/is that ultimately, its not that unique 
>> of a bike in terms of features (fenders, cantis, 650x42 clearance, etc.) 
>> and I'm spending a decent amount of time and effort achieving that aspect. 
>> The visuals are unique and it rides nicely, but i'd rather have a unique 
>> feature bike than a unique looking one if I'm spending all this effort on 
>> it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Collin in Sactown
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 23, 2020 at 9:46:31 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Agree that knowing the project base would go a long way in understanding 
>>> how good the potential end result would be!  I am generally pretty 
>>> impatient when I get a new project going but bear in mind there are still 
>>> new-in-box Rivs from the mid-2000's popping up every now and again - there 
>>> is no deadline for this build beyond your own expectations.  If it's an 
>>> exciting build or something that would be very useful to you once complete, 
>>> I'd just hang it up and wait until you've got the budget, supply, and 
>>> bandwidth to finish it. Might be three months, might be three years - and 
>>> that's OK.  If you're not feeling that attachment, or need the liquid cash, 
>>> then maybe different story.  
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Re: [RBW] Is there a Riv-like three speed currently in production?

[Philip Williamson]

It looks like there are several flavors of that same Public bike three 
speed available. State, Linus, etc. they seem to all be $470; maybe they’re 
the same bike? A Riv 3sp? Doesn’t look like it. A Craigslist fixie 
conversion of a nicer bike, and a new Sturmey wheel might be the closest 
cheapest option. 
There is a Claud Butler 3sp and a Raleigh Clubman 4sp on San Francisco 
Craigslist. Kind of interesting, cheap if your Riv shopping, not cheap if 
your bargain shopping.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 7:13:41 PM UTC-8 brettjc...@gmail.com wrote:

> Joe and Eric thanks for the good suggestions from totally opposite ends of 
> the spectrum!! 
>
> Patrick, you're right, that bike is simply stunning.  What a great bike 
> and I love the color you picked.  It's something else.  
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hi & Questions...

[Philip Williamson]

Hi Philip, that Scottish bike life sounds ideal. I rode a rented mountain 
bike in the forest preserve near Loch Ard twenty-some years ago. Beautiful, 
steep, and sloppy riding, and I saw a team of horses pulling felled trees 
out of the forest!

I checked out that Kona, it’s pretty awesome. Fat tires and drop bars is 
where it’s at for me. I’m not a fan of the cables under the down tube, 
since they pick up gunk and trash, but if the bike is fenderable, that’s 
less of an issue. The dropper post is a nice thing to have, for sure. 

You might consider converting your MB-1 to fat light slick tires like the 
Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass (“RTP” for short) and drop bars like the On-One 
Midge. That would be a pretty fun bike for the riding you describe.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 9:30:37 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Actually I've ridden Big Bend & across the border into Baja & Nuevo Leon 
> many times! Mostly on dirt motorcycles but also some MTB stuff, I love the 
> desert too. I live full time on Dallas (my job is US based) & we're 
> commuting back & forward (well pre-COVID that was the plan at least) as we 
> build a house on Skye. Provided you can stand wind & rain, there's 
> tremendous riding in the Highlands & Islands all within easy reach, the 
> roads get busy with RVs & buses in the summer but the rest of the time it's 
> you & the wee ewes. Look on YouTube for cycling the Northwest 500, the 
> Hebridean Way (a short ferry ride from us) or the West Highland Way, 
> guarantee you'll be packing your bags!
>
> Since my goal is to ride to the trails, then ride the actual trails I'm 
> actually starting to think that I may need something a little more off-road 
> focused than the Rivendell's though? The Kona Sutra ULTD looks like an 
> interesting candidate with relaxed geometry & good 'ol steel bones. Of 
> course, nothing like the exquisite build or the great story of the Rivs...
>
> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:08:20 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I can't give you much help in answering your question -- my Rivendells 
>> have all been road bikes -- but I can say welcome to the group, and, please 
>> post more photos (and descriptions) of your Scottish riding environment. I 
>> myself live in the high-desert US Southwest, at the polar opposite, 
>> aesthetically and geographically, from your area, but my distant Celtic 
>> roots (Scots Irish on father's paternal side) feel a wave of nostalgia from 
>> such pictures as this one you posted.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 11:52:31 PM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > New to this group, I actually currently own & ride a Grant Peterson 
>> bike already (Bridgestone MB-1) plus a CIOCC road bike but am interested in 
>> something more dual purpose. The area the bike will be used primarily is 
>> the West Coast of Scotland = narrow, rutted B & C-roads, fast A-Roads & 
>> graded dirt tracks with lots of rain & wind thrown in for good measure. I 
>> like to ride as "spirited" as my late-50s legs will allow, am most 
>> comfortable on the hoods & I may eventually do some minimalist bikepacking 
>> overnights.
>> >
>> > From looking at the Rivendell range it would seem that the Sam 
>> Hillborne or Homer Hilsen would be a good fit, however the Riv folks also 
>> recommended the Appaloosa.
>> >
>> > I'd love to hear some opinions on this from the folks that own them & 
>> thanks in advance for any advice you can give. 
>> [image: image.png]
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Best hat for sun protection while walking? -- Not too off-topic

[Philip Williamson]

I support the Tilley hat recommendation. 

I fell in love with an orange and green one in REI 
 a couple years ago, and popped a 
picture up on Instagram - "Talk me out of this $80 hat." One of our crew 
here replied, "Get a Tilley instead." I said, "It IS a Tilley." He said, 
"Oh. Get the hat." He was right; I haven't regretted it. It turned me into 
a hat person! I wear it for yard work, I wear it to walk downtown, and I 
put it in my bike basket to wear when I stop on a ride to loaf around. 

Another one of our crew loaned me his black Tilley 
 at the Riv Jamboree 
 and packed up before I could get 
it back to him. He told me "keep it," and I did, happily. It fits a little 
better than the one I bought at REI, and the brim is a little stiffer, 
which helps when riding. Having two is great, but so far I haven't lost 
one, unlike cycling caps which literally disappear on the first wearing. 

The hats coming in real hat sizes is amazing. I have a big head, and the 
perfect fit is comfortable and secure. I always put the strap behind my 
head instead of under my chin, and the hat has never blown off. 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA 




On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 7:32:06 PM UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 9, 2020 at 6:55:30 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Thanks. This looks likely: 
>> https://www.tilley.com/us_en/ltm8-airflo-mesh-hat.html
>>
>> But tell me, why is it worth 3X the price of this one? 
>> https://www.outdoorresearch.com/us/papyrus-brim-sun-hat-243408?cat=124,24,6,402
>>
>> I wear a 7 7/8 hat, and although OR XL "fits", it's a pretty snug fit. I 
> really like my Tilley Airflo. It comes in my size and fits perfectly. The 
> air flow is quite impressive. Here in Walnut Creek, we have plenty of 90+ 
> summer days, and the Tilley works great in a hot dry climate. The fit is so 
> good and the air flow is so efficient, that I'm not forced to use the chin 
> strap until gusts get more than 25mph or so. The OR will blow off at much 
> lower wind speeds. I was skeptical and avoided the Tilley price for a long 
> time, but I'm sold now. As a plus, it floats, and it rolls up small with no 
> harm if you need to stuff it into a pack.
>
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> walnut creek, ca
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Re: [RBW] A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Philip Williamson]

That’s great, The Snag! I’m glad you didn’t file down the pointy seat lug. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 8:20:10 AM UTC-8 The Snag wrote:

> Philip, 
> I bought a 27.2 KS Lev with 65mm of travel and sanded down the post until 
> it fit snug in the 26.8 seat tube. I have zero safety concerns about 
> shaving off .4mm, these things are made for extreme riding that I won't 
> come close to. I briefly considered cutting off the pointy tip of the seat 
> tube lug but I knew I'd regret it so I ended up carving out the collar on 
> the post, which worked out just fine. I'm not a big fan of the majority of 
> new MTB products but if anyone has a mountain/hilly bike and goes downhill 
> on occasion, then that bike should have a dropper post.
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 6:06:32 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> My 1st batch Clementine 52 uses a 29.8 seatpost. I am surprised that the 
>> use of varied seatpost diameters causes so much heartache here, but I rode 
>> French bikes in the seventies, which used different size seat tubes and top 
>> tubes than "normal", so I am used to having to look a little harder to find 
>> the components that I want - try finding French diameter front derailleurs. 
>> At least we have the internet and search engines now which makes it much, 
>> much easier - the 30.0 Campy Icarus seatpost on my custom came from Italy. 
>> It may not have been my 1st choice in seatpost, but now that I have it, I 
>> am rather fond of it's uniqueness - a good complement to my one of a kind 
>> Brooks B-678 saddle.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0687 (3).jpg]
>> Note that honing out a seat tube 0.2 or 0.15 mm with a brake cylinder 
>> hone is not going to make a big difference in frame strength. You only have 
>> to hone enough to make the make the seatpost fit, and only as deep as 
>> necessary. if you only hone as much as necessary (a 27.2 seatpost isn't 
>> necessarily 27.2, it may be only 27.1 - 27.15), once bolted in, the 
>> seatpost is in contact with the frame and acts as an internal 
>> reinforcement. Current production Rivendell tubes are plenty thick. My 1st 
>> Sam H used a 27.2 seatpost which meant its tube thickness was thinner than 
>> my second Sam H that used a 26.8 seatpost (the outer diameter of the tubes 
>> is the same).
>> I honed out the 27.0 ID seat tube in my Bombadil to 27.1 or 27.15 or so, 
>> in order to get the Nitto 27.2 lugged setback seatpost to fit. I weigh 
>> ~280. No problems. Note that the Bombadil seatpost never, ever slips.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delary Beach FL
>> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 2:43:11 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Eric: FWIW: I'm not very heavy, but I have experienced seatpost slippage 
>>> with undersized seatposts, and I've cured them with 2 proprietary 
>>> near-liquids: blue Loctite in the case of a Syncros ti seatpost, and that 
>>> gel with roughish bits in it meant to be used with CF seatposts, this for 
>>> the current (silver) Dura Ace 74?? on my recent Matthews, and the cheap 
>>> (anodized) OEM on the current Monocog. I hear that Loctite even makes a 
>>> solution meant for preventing slippage that's not the blue.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 6:42 AM EricP  wrote:
>>>
 Well, if it needs to be said (and it doesn't) I'm also not overly happy 
 about the larger Clem using a 29.8 seatpost size. But in this case it's 
 purely personal. Wanted a Thomson setback post in black for the bike and 
 that is one size they only do straight. Ended up finding a used Uno in 
 black on eBay. It does work, but it's not as nice as the Thomson.

 Oh, and for those who wonder why do this? I'm fat and have found over 
 the years that most anodized seatposts seem to slip less than regular 
 silver versions. I also automatically replaced the stock bolt and nylock 
 nut with a different bolt and regular nut so I can torque the lug tighter. 
 Still doesn't totally stop slipping. But does slow it down to a reasonable 
 level.

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Re: [RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Philip Williamson]

I do the bandanna - Rivendell sells densely woven ones. I have some 
looser-woven Chinese ones from Etsy I try not to wear in grocery stores, 
but I feel okay wearing them to ride. Bandannas work great; easy up, easy 
down, but they do fog my glasses now that the weather is colder. Maybe I 
should switch to contacts for the winter. 
I bought a merino buff at the beginning of Teh Covidz, but it was too hot 
to wear, and I saw a study that showed they’ll actually micro-disperse a 
sneeze, instead of damping it. Oops.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 8:23:20 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks, Chris. Two new possibilities. I'll look at the Buff gaiter too.
>
> I actually bought a poor substitute gaiter at a hardware store for a few 
> bucks, but it was so thin that it wouldn't stay up, and probably wouldn't 
> keep my sneezes in anyway.
>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 7:48 AM Christopher Cote  
> wrote:
>
>> Actually, on further inspection, I think she's just wearing a bandana or 
>> scarf. Fold into a triangle, wrap it around your face, over the nose, and 
>> tie it in the back. Not to tight, with the knot low, like where your neck 
>> meets your back, and it stays put pretty well in my experience.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 25, 2020 at 3:27:42 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The video that David posted of Mz Cool stopping by Rivendell was 
>>> interesting for various reasons, but one in particular is her way of using 
>>> what looks to be a scarf as a COVID mask that can be kept sub-chin while 
>>> riding but quickly pulled up in public.
>>>
>>> Has anyone done this? Can he-er-she describe the scarf, how you put it 
>>> on, and how you manipulate it?
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/QcPBZW0G7tE?t=629
>>>
>>> https://youtu.be/QcPBZW0G7tE?t=698
>>>
>>> Anyway, her scarf is much more pleasant to look at than your average 
>>> mask; far less of a disfigurement.
>>>
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: A Bit Irked that Riv Changed the Seatpost Size

[Philip Williamson]

Mr The Snag, I am very interested in seeing your mountain mixte with the 
dropper post. I think droppers are better than bread; it’s a shame 
Rivendell specs pinner seat posts.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:48:56 PM UTC-8 The Snag wrote:

> Yes. It was quite the chore to put a dropper post on my Mtn mixte. Funny 
> how that .4mm makes such a difference in options.
>
> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 8:38:12 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
> CA wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 7:38:51 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The S83 comes in 26.8, and if you need a better seatpost than that, well 
>>> then maybe you do, who am I to say. For me, it's as good as good gets, and 
>>> I've got an 84 to compare it to! (in 27.2, which I use with a shim on my 
>>> Clem that has a 665.5* seattube)
>>
>>
>> While what you said about the Nitto S83 is arguably true, the OP was 
>> lamenting that he couldn't use a suspension seatpost he likes that is only 
>> available in the much more common 27.2mm size. No S83 is going to replace a 
>> suspension seatpost if a suspension seatpost is what you want.
>>
>> Nevertheless, vintage U.S.E. suspension seatposts do occasionally become 
>> available on eBay. I don't know if those are adequate replacements though.
>>
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[RBW] Re: RBW Caught in YouTube Video

[Philip Williamson]

This made me so happy. It was great to see all the local sights (Fitz HQ, 
Riv HQ, Bicycle Czar, Willow Creek, etc), and all the great parts (XTR 
derailleur, Minimotos, TA, Silver shifters, etc). I like to see people 
wrench on bikes who aren’t me, too.

I need another pink bike.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tuesday, November 24, 2020 at 6:02:49 PM UTC-8 David Person wrote:

> One of the YouTube channels that I follow (subscribe to) is one called 
> Henrywildeberry.  He's a YouTuber in Northern California that does a tone 
> of bikey video, along with some melodramatic acting.  Thankfully, not too 
> much of the later.  The latest video he posted is about his girlfriend 
> (best I can tell from watch most all his videos) getting a custom frame and 
> then stopping by Rivendell Bicycle Works to pick up a pair of Silver 
> shifters.  I would encourage any of you who seeing some cycling through a 
> beautiful part of the country to check out the content on Henry's YouTube 
> channel.  
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcPBZW0G7tE=703s
>   
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[RBW] Re: My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[Philip Williamson]

I saw your lever hack and said, “O dude!” California born and bred here. 
That’s a great addition to the bike tinkering knowledge base. I’m pretty 
sure I’ll use that in the mid to near future. I’d be honored to send you a 
free Bike Tinkers Union patch and sticker set for that idea. 
Pick what you want, and let me know: 
https://www.etsy.com/shop/philipwilliamson

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8 dave_manze...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I 
> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a 
> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given the 
> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it would 
> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running 
> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass 
> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used 
> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of 
> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still 
> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project.

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[RBW] Re: V-Brake and Canti...

[Philip Williamson]

I’d be more likely to put the V on the front, like Nick. His travel agent 
trick is a smart way to match the levers with the different brakes, too.

I’ve had two bikes that needed Paul minimotos to cure the brake judder. The 
light forks and long steerers did the flexing trick under hard braking, 
slackening the brake pressure. Because the cable stop is on the brake, Vs 
and Minimotos aren’t affected by the flex in the system.

I’d look at the V-brakes pads, sand them and make sure they hit square, and 
make sure there are no dents or high spots in your rim. If you have another 
wheel that fits, I’d swap that in and see if the judder remains.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA



On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:18:09 PM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Anyone ever use a Canti brake up front and V-brake in the back? I know I'd 
> need different pull levers, which complicates things, but I've noticed up 
> front, the V-brake can sometimes be a little more than I need, it's great 
> in the back though. I have two sets of Paul neo-retro canti's sitting 
> around and was thinking the combination might be something weird worth 
> looking into.
> Thx! 
> Scott
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[RBW] Re: Advice on Onyx Hubs

[Philip Williamson]

Funny, I just ordered a 135 QR Vesper for rim brakes. The Vesper is the 
only 135 rim brake option, according to the person I talked to on the 
phone. That option is not on their website, which stumped me for years. I 
just told them today, "Take it off the secret menu and put it on the 
website, so Rivendell riders can buy them." 

I don't imagine the Vesper gives anything up in durability, since Peter 
Verdone buys them for his mountain bikes, and if he broke one the whole 
world would know. I like the looks of the classic ones a little more, but 
the Vesper isn't any weirder looking than a SON Wide Body. I chose Onyx 
over any other hub, because I want the quiet running and the high 
engagement. I rode one a little bit, and liked it a lot. It's unique. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 


On Tuesday, September 29, 2020 at 9:07:14 AM UTC-7 Elijah Bernstein-Cooper 
wrote:

> I would like to build a rear wheel for my 2020 Atlantis with an Onyx hub. 
> I am debating between their newer Vesper model and older model. My priority 
> is a durability over weight, within reason.
>
> Onyx has a new model out, Vesper, which is apparently lighter than their 
> older model by 200g. However I don't mind a little extra weight and I'd 
> prefer to have a more sturdy hub. 
>
> Does anyone have insight into if the reduced weight in the newer Vesper 
> model sacrificed any durability?
>
> Vesper: 
> https://onyxrp.com/store/mtb-hubs/onyx-vesper-mtb-cl-hg-11spd-135-qr-rear-hub/
> Older model: 
> https://onyxrp.com/store/mtb-hubs/mtb-cl-hg-qr/mtb-cl-hg-135-qr/
>
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[RBW] What color frame would go well with orange bar tape?

[Philip Williamson]

That orange won’t really go with anything. Midnight blue maybe, as long as you 
have something equally bright anywhere else on the bike. 
To my eye, the strong red tape kills the subtle beauty of the sage green paint. 
British Racing Green could hold up to that orange, but I’d get a similarly 
bright seat bag or water bottles to tie it all together.

Philip
Buzzkill, CA

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[RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks Patrick. As my friend at Tilted Shed Ciderworks said on Monday, 
“Here we go again.”
Looks like the roads I rode last weekend are now either evacuated or burned 
out. Dozens of acquaintances are evacuated, and the smoke and heat are 
oppressive. The wind just picked up, and we may have more dry lightning on 
Sunday. 

Waking up in a sleeping bag by the ocean to the End Times Thunder and 
Lighting Show was pretty intense. “Oh this will go down in the oral 
histories.”

Philip
Global Warming, CA

On Friday, August 21, 2020 at 4:48:33 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I spent ~5 years on SoCal -- Calabasas/Malibu and Santa Paula/Ojai and 
> Pasadena and Atherton (girlfriend) way back in the '70s and early '80s, 
> college and hanging around afterward. I recall yearly wildfires and the 
> little everyday earthquakes; but nothing like the last few years, which 
> have been rather apocalyptic.
>
> I just read on the CR list that a well-known builder lost his property.
>
> Is Walnut Creek affected?
>
> I hope all living there and reading this are safe. 
>
> Here in high desert ABQ, NM the sun has long since burned off most fire 
> fuel, but I live in the little green belt -- bosque -- adjacent to the Rio 
> Grand; the summer before I bought my house, there was a bosque fire, after 
> which the City went in and cleaned out the thickets of imported willows and 
> other aliens so we've not had one since. But I don't use a charcoal grill.
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weird handlebar idea

[Philip Williamson]

Hey, I’m glad it helps. I didn’t do any modifications, but...
You might want to use a half-round file to match the lever body to the bar. 
Simply turning the lever 90 degrees digs sharp corners of my example lever body 
into the bar. Someone predicted this setup would slip, but regular sideways 
levers on m-bars don’t slip.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pondering one 'nice' bike...

[Philip Williamson]

I’m a maximalist. My custom go-many-places road bike has 58mm G-Ones. However, 
45mm tires work the same everywhere I ride. I ride with people on 48mm tires on 
the same terrain, so it’s not just me. It’s like quartz vs marble countertops - 
the quartz is supposedly more durable and stain resistant, but in practice 
marble easily meets the threshold of “very” durable and “very” stain resistant. 
48mm tires are “very” capable.

I do think we aren’t making the math nearly complicated enough, though. Rolling 
comfort depends on volume (cubic liters) and cornering adhesion depends on area 
(square millimeters). Further, we put lower PSI into wider tires, so the pumped 
up volume of the tire goes up at a shallower angle than the 1 bar volume each 
tire width would hold if it was a plastic tube.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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[RBW] Color survey! Would love some feedback, getting powder for a Surly Travelers Check

[Philip Williamson]

No bad choices there.

I’d go with 1. 
That was my choice before I read the rules. “Yellow! Oh that blue is great, 
too. Both together... oh hey, that’s an option.”

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weird handlebar idea

[Philip Williamson]

It sounds like you want to rotate the lever mounts 90 degrees on a mustache 
bar. I’ve never seen this done, but it seems feasible. You might want to adjust 
the mating surface of the lever with a half-round file. 

Disclaimer: I didn’t even visit the bike shed to look at the pieces. 
UPDATE (DIS-disclaimer): I put the chickens away and put upright levers on a 
moustache bar. Easy. I don’t see an advantage over a normal moustache setup, 
but it’s possible.

“Pictures or it didn’t happen” as Manny used to say:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CDsZVYll1UB

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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[RBW] Pondering one 'nice' bike...

[Philip Williamson]

Keep the Redwood.
47mm tires can take you just about anywhere.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] The Quickbeam Rides Again!

[Philip Williamson]

Wow, is that beautiful!
That’s British Racing Green Plus.

Good work on the repair. Better than new!

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] BUMP: FS: Size 58 c-c with 56.5 or 57 cm tt 2003 Curt Goodrich-built, Dave Porter and Chauncey Matthews-modified 26" wheel Rivendell Road fixed gear custom road bike

[Philip Williamson]

That seems like a reasonable price just to hang on the wall as art. Plus it has 
history as an OG iBOB bike. If we had a museum, this would be in it, with 
pictures of Patrick’s other bikes. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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