AVG Virus checker and TB
I have only just joined the list. I have downloaded avgbat9us.exe but cannot get it to work. I keep getting the message that my version (1.62) of TB is obsolete and I need version 1.60 or later. Can anyone suggest a solution to this problem? Thank you, Hilton M Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: List of Recipients - Got one way
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Raj, @8-Dec-2002, 11:08 +0530 (05:38 UK time) Raj [R] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: R However the names now get listed horizontally with no R separation... making it difficult to read. R Can I get the names listed in one line separated by commas R ( wrapped) or vertically. Change it here: %REM=$ Insert Name $%- %SUBPATT=$3$ Lose the %- at the end, or replace it with ', ' (no quotes - just comma space). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE98xvYOeQkq5KdzaARAg08AJ9E5/ctzjhnF7o20xjEvi3Sinz3uACg9CkY Ox0Ec7Dldv9DhsADUclRrnk= =9WoK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Scanner and the Bat
Hello Batters, I have recently bought a Visioneer 8700 scanner with one touch e-mail control. Only thing is, it doesn't see the bat as the e-mail client. Not a major problem as there are workarounds, but it would be nice if possible. Any ideas? -- Best regards, Jim mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scanner and the Bat
In reply to Jim's message 'Scanner and the Bat' on Sun, 8 Dec 2002 11:31:43 + from [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jim, JL I have recently bought a Visioneer 8700 scanner with one touch JL e-mail control. Only thing is, it doesn't see the bat as the JL e-mail client. Not a major problem as there are workarounds, but JL it would be nice if possible. Any ideas? Can i suggest... You throw the sucker into Photoshop first, and do every damn thing possible to get that scan as small and as quick to download as possible... The more recent versions of Photoshop have a fantastic little tool for this called 'Save to Web' - its under the file menu, just below the standard save options - use it, learn to love and caress it, and give it a nice big hug when you are finished with a nice bite (byte ;-) sized image. I just say this all through frustration in receiving many a 'one touch scan' in my email and having to wait considerable time for the 2mb image to download through the trusty 'ol 28.8k. But I'm sure an email such as this doesn't need to be sent to TBUDL, because no bat user would do such a stupid thing in the first place, so I'll just go off and hide my head for suggesting this email reply in the first place :-) -- dan. e [EMAIL PROTECTED] w http://www.danhirning.com Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The greatest most annoying problem halts my PC
ON Saturday, December 7, 2002, 3:43:06 PM, you wrote: ACM Have you set your inbox folder to be compressed on exit? VBG No, I compress it often though. Hi Victor, I really should se this to automatic on exit because all your mails pass through your inbox even if they are move to an other folder they will leave a copy in the inbox file. On the positive side I do not think this is the cause of your problem. I had this happen to me with on beta version. It just started doing this. I would only occur if you minimized the connection center. I switched back to the regular version and the problem never re-appeared. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The quality of a golfer´s practice is more important than the quantity, particularly for better golfers. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Scanner and the Bat
Hello Daniel, Sunday, December 8, 2002, 11:41:28 AM, you wrote: DH Can i suggest... You throw the sucker into Photoshop first, and do DH every damn thing possible to get that scan as small and as quick to DH download as possible... The more recent versions of Photoshop have a DH fantastic little tool for this called 'Save to Web' - its under the DH file menu, just below the standard save options - use it, learn to DH love and caress it, and give it a nice big hug when you are finished DH with a nice bite (byte ;-) sized image. DH I just say this all through frustration in receiving many a 'one touch DH scan' in my email and having to wait considerable time for the 2mb DH image to download through the trusty 'ol 28.8k. DH But I'm sure an email such as this doesn't need to be sent to TBUDL, DH because no bat user would do such a stupid thing in the first place, DH so I'll just go off and hide my head for suggesting this email reply DH in the first place :-) LOL...However I wasn't thinking of sending pictures. I have photoshop and would indeed reduce the image size to suit an E-mail, incidently, it dosen't see photoshop 7 either!!! Good buy huh! However, I take your point about attachment sizes, even if they are documents. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: The greatest most annoying problem halts my PC
Hello Gerard, My problems with TB *freezing* all occurred with version 1.61 on XP. I uninstalled it reinstalled 1.62 - rebuilt TB profile (2 hours) and last night till today for the first time TB did not *freeze* on me once. I've got to admit its just better when it doesn't *freeze* Thank you all for your help and the above is what I did to help fight and win the situation for at least a day :) -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG Virus checker and TB
Hello hmeyer, h I have only just joined the list. Welcome Hilton :) You're going to love this ;) h I have downloaded avgbat9us.exe but cannot get it to work. Is that the Avast Anti-Virus? You can get it from here http://www.webattack.com/newapp.php?id=105009 It was just released on 12/07/2002 and I believe this is one of the Anti-Virus software programs that work hand in hand with TB. h Can anyone suggest a solution to this problem? I hope I helped you out Hilton :) -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: pgp 8
Hello Tom, On Sunday, December 8, 2002 at 2:27:29 PM you [t] wrote (at least in part): t is there a plugin for pgp 8? Yes. Sadly not (yet) for The Bat! t will there ever be such a plugin? For using The Bat! and PGP8? We don't know. It depends on 1.) what conditions are created for release of PGP-SDK regarding to e.g. price of a licence for SDK 2.) time and engagement of developers @ RITLABS to write such a plugin. No official statement has been made yet, neither to 1.) from PGP Coorp. nor to 2.) from RIT. -- Regards Peter Palmreuther (The Bat! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1) The reason people get lost in thought is because it is, to many, rather unfamiliar territory. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: List of Recipients - Got one way
Marck, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, at 10:15:51 [GMT +] (which was 3:45 PM where I live) you wrote: MDP Change it here: MDP %REM=$ Insert Name $%- MDP %SUBPATT=$3$ MDP Lose the %- at the end, or replace it with ', ' MDP (no quotes - just comma space). Thanks Marck. Wonderful I must say that even after over 3 years of use I am still amazed at the versatility of this s/w. -- Warm regards, Raj mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What do you call Santa's helpers? Subordinate Clauses. Replied on Sunday, December 8, 2002 using TB Ver 1.61 on Windows 2000 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The greatest most annoying problem halts my PC
Hello Gerard, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 13:03:19 +0100 GMT (08/12/02, 19:03 +0700 GMT), Gerard wrote: ACM Have you set your inbox folder to be compressed on exit? VBG No, I compress it often though. I really should se this to automatic on exit because all your mails pass through your inbox even if they are move to an other folder they will leave a copy in the inbox file. Just my tuppence here: I don't compress on exit, because it took a long time (on my old 400MHz machine) with my amount of accounts and folders to be purged and compressed. I prefer to do it when I choose to (almost every day, now saving 10-25MB each time), not when I am in a hurry to shut down my computer and leave. But then, I'm a control-freak and don't like to automate too much. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. For those of you who have children and don't know it, we have a nursery downstairs. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: pgp 8
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 'Lo tom, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:27:29 +0100 your time, you said: t is there a plugin for pgp 8? will there ever be such a plugin? To continue on from Peter's post: Until the time - if ever there is one - that a PGP 8.0 plugin becomes available you could of course use PGP 6.58 CKT, which is completely free, has a plugin for The Bat!, and works flawlessly with it! And 6.58 ckt is compatible with W2K and WXP (Thanks Allie ;-) ). - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk ** PGP Key: http://pgp.theycallmesimon.co.uk/ Faffing about with TB! v1.61 on W2K SP3 #562. Seal I'd Mrs Quo Wry ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Privacy is freedom. Protect your freedom with PGP! Comment: KeyID: 0x5C7E8966 iQA/AwUBPfNg7ctub/5cfolmEQJboACg5ksAOxPcp4b2wSOVw76lfnoNmHIAoOla X5yQYVkgsMGXZvFDYo9ynf0B =JTdS -END PGP SIGNATURE- smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Turn Off Period Checking When Disconnected
I have a dial-up connection. I would like to enable periodic checking of my e-mail accounts. However, it becomes annoying when I am off-line. The program sounds an error message every time it tries. How can I set periodic checking so that it *only* checks for new e-mail when I am on-line. Thanks. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Turn Off Period Checking When Disconnected
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Michael S. Hyatt [MSH] wrote:'
MSH How can I set periodic checking so that it *only* checks for
MSH new e-mail when I am on-line.
Go to Options/Network Administration.
Enable:
- Dial-Up Connection
- No automatic dial for periodic checking
- Use an existing dial-up connection if any
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Re: AVG Virus checker and TB
Good afternoon hmeyer, It was foretold that on 8-12-2002 @ 22:09:10 GMT+1300 (which was 10:09:10 where I live) hmeyer would mumble: snipped a bit h I have downloaded avgbat9us.exe but cannot get it to work. Can h anyone suggest a solution to this problem? Have you installed it manually or have you run the installation package? You might give it a try to install it manually: open in TB! the menu Options/Virus Protection, click on Add and External Plug-in, locate in the AVG program directory a file with .BAV extension and press Open. Configuration: The configuration dialog will appear upon manual adding of the plugin when you click on the button Configure. -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62 Christmas Edition with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. A Flatterer is a man that tells you your opinion and not his own. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Turn Off Period Checking When Disconnected
Hi Michael, on Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:07:49 -0600GMT (08.12.02, 17:07 +0100GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : MSH How can I set periodic checking so that it *only* checks for new MSH e-mail when I am on-line. Go to Options -- Network Administration -- check No automatical dial for periodical checking and Use existing Dial-up connection (if any) . This should do it. -- Cheers Peter Originality is the art of concealing your sources. Winamp currently playing: - silence - Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
(no subject)
Where can I download cookie files? Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Turn Off Period Checking When Disconnected
Hello Michael S. Hyatt, On or about Sunday, December 08, 2002 at 10:07:49GMT -0600 (which was 11:07 AM in the tropics where I live) Michael S. Hyatt asked: MSH I have a dial-up connection. I would like to enable periodic checking MSH of my e-mail accounts. However, it becomes annoying when I am MSH off-line. The program sounds an error message every time it tries. MSH How can I set periodic checking so that it *only* checks for new MSH e-mail when I am on-line. Options - Network Administration - [Checkbox] No Automatical Dial for periodic checking! -- Warmest tropical wishes, Spike -- Flying in the stratosphere with The Bat! V1.61 on Windows 2000 Vers. 5 0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
License question.
Hello, A nice quick simple question, I hope :) If I install The Bat on a secondary PC of mine do I have to buy another license? -- Best regards, Richard Lane - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnum Opus http://www.magnumopus.co.uk Directory Opus 6 - Back from the Future http://www.gpsoft.com.au Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: License question.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Richard, @8-Dec-2002, 18:13 Richard Lane [RL] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: RL A nice quick simple question, I hope :) RL If I install The Bat on a secondary PC of mine do I have to buy RL another license? Yours? For your own use? No. For the use of someone else (even on your behalf)? Yes. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE985e5OeQkq5KdzaARAsnRAKC+sxniV7Xr7N8c2gUiU3CCT3WtagCgp5Io mrPXZoLGWBoCkwl1f/Cj4Y4= =of/d -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:23:42 [GMT -0600] (11:23 AM EST here) Michael S. Hyatt wrote: Where can I download cookie files? See http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg50674.html, which suggests that you search the Web for tag lines. Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject) (referencing cookies/taglines)
Hello Daniel On Sunday, December 8, 2002, you wrote See http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg50674.html, which suggests that you search the Web for tag lines. He might also want to search for quotations and copy/paste them into his cookies document. Elaine *** If an idea's worth having once, it's worth having twice. --Tom Stoppard (1937 - ) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
I must be dense. I've been searching on Google for about 20 minutes. I haven't come up with one file yet! On Sunday, December 8, 2002 at 1:57:39 PM you wrote: DG Sun, 8 Dec 2002 10:23:42 [GMT -0600] (11:23 AM EST here) Michael S. DG Hyatt wrote: Where can I download cookie files? DG See DG http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg50674.html, DG which suggests that you search the Web for tag lines. DG Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 95 4.0 Build B Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello List, I went the whole night happy as hell it didn't freeze up. Today again out of nowhere *BOOM* completely unexpected without an ounce of change TB *freezes* the entire system. I am trying to run TB 24/7 on a 1.6 GHz, P4, 512 DDR RAM, Cable connection (d 1.6MEG - u 800kb) with Roxios GoBack 3 Deluxe and Zone Alarm Professional running. Is anyone else experiencing the system halts? Any one have any idea what might be causing it? I've spent more than an hour and a half only to end up restoring a profile I backed up yesterday. I think it might be something with either certain mail or the amount of mail I get. Maybe its filters but It is almost impossible to find out when once it begins to halt the system I am left with no choice but imminent shut down. Please any ideas are gladly looked into as I really, really want The Bat! as my e-mail client and will gladly pay the small fee (well worth it) but not worth the problems. I e-mailed The Bat! support a while ago about the matter but they've never gotten back to me about it. I am holding no grudges about it but am weary about paying for the problems :| Thank you all for your help -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
Hello Michael, http://www.foresight.net.au/dg/stuff/mefitag.html http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/3505/tags.htm http://winn.com/bs/taglines.html http://www.df.lth.se/~lft/tags/cookies.text ..and many more. Look for taglines -- Best regards, Richard Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events, great minds discuss ideas. Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michael, @8-Dec-2002, 14:16 -0600 (20:16 UK time) Michael S. Hyatt [MSH] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Where can I download cookie files? DG See DG http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg50674.html, DG which suggests that you search the Web for tag lines. MSH I must be dense. I've been searching on Google for about 20 MSH minutes. I haven't come up with one file yet! http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=taglines (and please don't top-post here) - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE98620OeQkq5KdzaARAnKzAKChUru+TzU1EpFQpVOgdn7l7PxKmwCgrxkk 8KUHGjr29Zee2vjuze1vE3U= =ehgE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Victor, @8-Dec-2002, 15:33 -0500 (20:33 UK time) Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... snip VBG without an ounce of change TB *freezes* the entire system. ... snip VBG ... and Zone Alarm Professional running. Is this the culprit? I personally recommend Kerio PF over ZAP, which has caused many people many problems. Especially TB users for some reason. Allie Martin, another moderator here has very strong views on the topic. Besides, Kerio is free for personal use. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE9866XOeQkq5KdzaARAvqqAJ40lBMTrQD4DpOdH4jtflFIDEoAJACg9JNa ySC+aut842FXEABXlFwBOFc= =Qc1m -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Marck, VBG without an ounce of change TB *freezes* the entire system. VBG ... and Zone Alarm Professional running. MDP Is this the culprit? I personally recommend Kerio PF over ZAP, which MDP has caused many people many problems. Especially TB users for some MDP reason. I paid good money for ZAP as it came very highly recommended but I will trade it off instantly for a *free* product that can help TB just work without halting the system. Thank you for the input Marck. Anything else anybody has got to say about the matter and I am all ears. -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Victor, Sunday, December 8, 2002, 22:08, you wrote: VBG Hello Marck, VBG without an ounce of change TB *freezes* the entire system. VBG ... and Zone Alarm Professional running. MDP Is this the culprit? I personally recommend Kerio PF over ZAP, which MDP has caused many people many problems. Especially TB users for some MDP reason. VBG I paid good money for ZAP as it came very highly recommended VBG but I will trade it off instantly for a *free* product that can VBG help TB just work without halting the system. VBG Thank you for the input Marck. VBG Anything else anybody has got to say about the matter and I am VBG all ears. Same experience here. ZAP was nothing but problems; changed to Kerio and never looked back -- Mogens mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mogens Holst [MH] wrote:'
MH Same experience here. ZAP was nothing but problems; changed to
MH Kerio and never looked back
Though I have my dislikes for ZAP, a freezing XP system is unlikely
to be secondary to ZAP. It tends to just mess up your internet
connection or interfere with TB!'s connection to POP servers. It
takes something more fundamental to interfere with XP's stability in
that way.
If XP is freezing, I don't think this has anything to do with TB!.
Victor,
I think you just happen to be using TB! when the lockups occur or
TB! triggers the problem with the system. An errant driver is the
likely culprit. How old is your system and does it misbehave in any
other way and with any other apps?
If you wait long enough after the freezing, do you get a blue
screen. Do you have to reboot to regain control of your system?
I was blaming IE for my ailing XP system since the BSOD's would
occur mainly while browsing. However, I soon found out it was a
problem with the system BIOS and video drivers. I had to update the
BIOS. Since then, things have been rock solid.
I'd look in that direction rather than blame TB!. TB! runs very well
in XP. I've never had a problem with TB! since I started using XP
a year ago.
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Victor, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 at 15:33:30[GMT -0500](which was 20:33 where I live) you wrote: VBG I am trying to run TB 24/7 on a 1.6 GHz, P4, 512 DDR RAM, VBG Cable connection (d 1.6MEG - u 800kb) with Roxios GoBack 3 VBG Deluxe and Zone Alarm Professional running. I am also running ZA Pro and, to see if it was TB! or not, I disabled ZA and it didn't make a blind bit of difference. VBG Is anyone else experiencing the system halts? Any one have VBG any idea what might be causing it? I'm not getting system halts so much as TB! uses almost all of my processor and the cursor continually flashes in alternation with the hour glass and there is continual but spasmodic internet connectivity whilst TB! is open. See my [EMAIL PROTECTED] . I now close TB! unless I want to get messages. The trouble is that I can't pinpoint the time that the problem reared its ugly head. I've tried un installing and going back a couple of betas but it's no good :-( -- Best regards, Richard Never look back unless you plan on going that way. Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Mogens, VBG without an ounce of change TB *freezes* the entire system. VBG ... and Zone Alarm Professional running. MDP Is this the culprit? I personally recommend Kerio PF over ZAP, which MDP has caused many people many problems. Especially TB users for some MDP reason. MH Same experience here. ZAP was nothing but problems; changed to Kerio MH and never looked back I think I'll give it a try then. I hope networking with it is easy as I have a notebook and desktop that share files, folders and Internet connection. Thank you all and please, anything else and like I said I am all ears as I really like The Bat and want it, just not the problems! For those with the same problems, if you would like to try out Kerio's Firewall heres a link to it. http://www.kerio.com/us/kpf_home.html -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard Wakeford [RW] wrote:'
RW I'm not getting system halts so much as TB! uses almost all of
RW my processor and the cursor continually flashes in alternation
RW with the hour glass and there is continual but spasmodic
RW internet connectivity whilst TB! is open. See my
RW [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
This happens all the time when TB! is running or does it happen as
soon as it starts checking for mail?
If ZAP is the problem then merely disabling it will not make a blind
bit of difference. You'll have to uninstall it ... doing so isn't so
easy either. Their homepage has a page that outlines how to
completely remove ZA from your system.
RW I now close TB! unless I want to get messages. The trouble is
RW that I can't pinpoint the time that the problem reared its ugly
RW head. I've tried un installing and going back a couple of betas
RW but it's no good :-(
Because it's very likely that it's not TB! that's the problem.
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Re[2]: AVG Virus checker and TB
Hello Luc, Many thanks for that info, which worked fine. Now, how does one know if AVG is actually checking the mail? Sorry about the mumbles, just couldn't work out how to get into the system at first. 8^) Regards, Hilton Meyer Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Setup
Hello all, I have a configuration question. I am using version 1.6 of the bat. I obtained my copy through Abacus Law (legal program). They have added a feature that ties in my cases with the matters. It allows the users to send emails to folders (Common Folders) associated with each case. However, in order for this to work, I had to set up all email accounts to use the same location to store everyone's account directories on a server. This works fine, but a few of us that use laptops are left without email when we are off line. Can anyone recommend an alternative configuration? Thanks -- Francis Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, Sunday, December 8, 2002, 22:30, you wrote: ACM Mogens Holst [MH] wrote:' MH Same experience here. ZAP was nothing but problems; changed to MH Kerio and never looked back ACM Though I have my dislikes for ZAP, a freezing XP system is unlikely ACM to be secondary to ZAP. It tends to just mess up your internet ACM connection or interfere with TB!'s connection to POP servers. It ACM takes something more fundamental to interfere with XP's stability in ACM that way. ACM If XP is freezing, I don't think this has anything to do with TB!. You are probably right and it could just be a coincidence. But I dismantled ZAP 2 months ago and my problems disappeared - and they did not come back when I installed Kerio 3 weeks ago . XP is really stable now. I installed it in January and I have never had a system before that ran this long before it needed to be rebuild. -- Best regards, Holst mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 at 16:34:10[GMT -0500](which was 21:34 where I live) you wrote: ACM This happens all the time when TB! is running or does it happen as ACM soon as it starts checking for mail? Unfortunately all the time. TB! behaves for the first 5 seconds after starting and then the wobbly cursor/hourglass starts and the internet connectivity starts. I have TB! set to pick up mail every 5 minutes but the activity is every few seconds. ACM If ZAP is the problem then merely disabling it will not make a blind ACM bit of difference. You'll have to uninstall it ... doing so isn't so ACM easy either. Their homepage has a page that outlines how to ACM completely remove ZA from your system. OK, I'll try to uninstall it completely to see what happens although I can't understand why the two programmes worked perfectly in harmony before this. -- Best regards, Richard Early to rise, and early to bed, makes a man healthy but socially dead. Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mogens Holst [MH] wrote:'
MH You are probably right and it could just be a coincidence. But I
MH dismantled ZAP 2 months ago and my problems disappeared - and
MH they did not come back when I installed Kerio 3 weeks ago .
I doubt it was a coincidence if this is what happened.
What problems were you having with your system. Was it blue
screening or locking up or were you having network problems that
would only go away for a while after a fresh reboot. The latter is
more typical of ZA.
MH XP is really stable now. I installed it in January and I have
MH never had a system before that ran this long before it needed to
MH be rebuild.
Same here for Win2k and XP here. TB! runs just fine on both systems
and both systems are very stable unless there's a serious problem.
These problems have never been secondary to applications such as
TB!.
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Richard Wakeford [RW] wrote:'
RW OK, I'll try to uninstall it completely to see what happens
RW although I can't understand why the two programmes worked
RW perfectly in harmony before this.
Interestingly this was my experience before things went awry. Good
luck.
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Re[2]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, ACM It takes something more fundamental to interfere with XP's ACM stability... I agree. XP is the most solid version of Windows I've ever played with and I've been playing with Windows since 95. ACM If XP is freezing, I don't think this has anything to do with TB!. I can prove it's The Bat! and not because it's the newest app on my system but because right after boot-up the very first app I go to launch is The Bat! It seemed to freeze up on retrieving my mail and about an hour ago I had to hard boot my PC 15 + times before restoring an old back-up made it work again. Plus, I've owned XP for just over 8 months and I never hard booted my PC like this ever. ACM How old is your system and does it misbehave in any ACM other way and with any other apps? Never. This is the first time I've ever experienced it and my system though it's about 8 months old it's specs more than meet the requirements. ACM If you wait long enough after the freezing, do you get a blue ACM screen. Do you have to reboot to regain control of your system? It doesn't freeze unless I have the task manager open. What happens is the system slows down to the point where if I were to do a figure 8 with the mouse on the screen in one second the system will still be doing that figure 8 for the next two minutes. ACM I was blaming IE for my ailing XP system since the BSOD's would ACM occur mainly while browsing. However, I soon found out it was a ACM problem with the system BIOS and video drivers. I checked with Windows update and notice I am behind one critical, 3 regular updates. I will check with SONY about any updates for my PC A.S.A.P. ACM I'd look in that direction rather than blame TB!. I really have no choice. I performed a system reformat, repartition less than a month ago and every app on my system runs in pristine mode. I am a real freak in making sure my system is in top notch mode free of errors. Besides, today the system halted only while dealing with The Bat! Funny thing is yesterday it ran all night after rebuilding my profile and installing the newest version 1.62. the only thing I did that was odd today was restarted the PC while TB was still running. Is it possible something was still running? I don't know :( -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Scanner and the Bat
Sunday, December 8, 2002, 7:27:37 AM, you wrote: JL incidently, it dosen't see photoshop 7 either!!! Good buy huh! Actually, I like the Visioneer OneTouch. You can get scanners with better resolution for the price, but the overall setup is something I find very nice--and worth the trade-off. Anyway, try setting up the PaperPort program that came with the scanner to recognize TB. I think the scanner takes its options from there. Open up PaperPort and click on FileLinksCreate a New Link. Follow the prompts to set up a link to The Bat! (or Photoshop 7, or whatever). Close PaperPort. Then open up the Visioneer Configure screen and select the Email tab. Then select the Preferences tab (at the top on the far right) and check the Show all Destinations box. Click OK and go back the email screen. TB should show up in the list of options for you to choose. -- Using The Bat! Version 1.61 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG Virus checker and TB
Hello hmeyer, Sunday, December 8, 2002, 11:38:04 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): Many thanks for that info, which worked fine. Now, how does one know if AVG is actually checking the mail? Try this site: http://www.gfi.com/emailsecuritytest/ I tweaked The Bat! so that it passed all tests on that site. -- Best regards, Costasmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setup
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Francis Mendez [FM] wrote:'
FM However, in order for this to work, I had to set up all email
FM accounts to use the same location to store everyone's account
FM directories on a server. This works fine, but a few of us that
FM use laptops are left without email when we are off line.
FM Can anyone recommend an alternative configuration?
The only thing I can think of is to run separate installations of
TB!, i.e., one that uses the central server working mail directory,
and the other that uses a local working mail directory.
However, this is an awkward one especially since TB!'s basic
configuration is in the registry, and as a result you can only run a
single installation per user.
The only thing I can recommend is to install another copy of TB! on
the laptop as another user, i.e., create a new user account, log-on
as the new user, then install TB!. Recreate the accounts as in the
central installation, close TB!, copy all mail bases over from the
central installation, restart TB! and then do a CTRL+ALT+Shift+L to
make TB! find all the folders.
Now, when you're finished using the TB! with the central working
directory, for the day, synchronize all mail from the server with
that of the local installation. You could use a file manager to do
this synchronisation. Done. When at home, run the local
installation.
BTW, though both are installed in separate user spaces, you could
run both from the same user space by creating a special shortcut
that prompts you for the user credentials. This is the case for
Win2k and XP. I don't know about Win9x.
This all takes some setting up but could be made to work so if you
need any clarification, please ask.
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Sunday, 12/8/2002, 2:00 PM Hi Allie, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, at 16:50:04 [GMT -0500] (which was 1:50 PM where I live) you wrote about: 'About TB ON XP *freezing*' RW OK, I'll try to uninstall it completely to see what happens RW although I can't understand why the two programmes worked RW perfectly in harmony before this. ACM Interestingly this was my experience before things went awry. Good ACM luck. ZAP worked flawlessly for me for almost 13 months and then went goofy on me. Within two weeks it had me thinking the system was falling apart. The same symptoms you describe. -- Your communication is greatly appreciated, Paul Do not mistake composure for ease -- Tuvok Powered by The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Allie C Martin [ACM] wrote:'
ACM These problems have never been secondary to applications such
ACM as TB!.
I shouldn't say 'never' here. I meant 'very unlikely'. :)
TB! and other innocent applications often just trigger the *real*
problem and are then blamed as being the problem. The cause effect
relationship on the surface can be very damning indeed. I've been
there and it's really agony to deal with.
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Re: AVG Virus checker and TB
Good evening hmeyer, It was foretold that on 8-12-2002 @ 10:38:04 GMT+1300 (which was 22:38:04 where I live) hmeyer would mumble: snipped a bit h Many thanks for that info, which worked fine. I'm glad it worked out :-) h Now, how does one know if AVG is actually checking the mail? Hmm, good question: i know it works because when i receive an infected mail, i get a warning and it's placed in a quarantine folder. h Sorry about the mumbles, LMAO, don't take it personally: it's my QT. -- Best regards, Luc --- Powered by The Bat! version 1.62 Christmas Edition with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Read my chips: No new upgrades! Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, Sunday, December 8, 2002, 23:01, you wrote: ACM What problems were you having with your system. Was it blue ACM screening or locking up or were you having network problems that ACM would only go away for a while after a fresh reboot. The latter is ACM more typical of ZA. MH XP is really stable now. I installed it in January and I have MH never had a system before that ran this long before it needed to MH be rebuild. ACM Same here for Win2k and XP here. TB! runs just fine on both systems ACM and both systems are very stable unless there's a serious problem. ACM These problems have never been secondary to applications such as ACM TB!. It was locking up and I had to reboot. I could not CAD out of it. And it was only the combination of ZAP and TB! ZAP worked fine with over network programs. TB! alone is not giving me any real problems over and above what can be expected from a beta BG, and I use it in all three systems with a commen mail folder on a 4th partition. -- Mogens Holst mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] wrote:'
VBG I can prove it's The Bat! and not because it's the newest app
VBG on my system but because right after boot-up the very first app
VBG I go to launch is The Bat!
The only thing I can say is that TB! triggers a problem. Whether the
problem is in fact completely in TB!'s realm of responsibility is
yet to be proven. I naturally doubt this very much since my
experience with TB! is the opposite. I run it 24/7 on my XP system
and throughout all beta's etc for the last year, it has never
interfered with XP. I hope you persevere since I'm sure there's a
culprit.
VBG It seemed to freeze up on retrieving my mail and about an hour
VBG ago I had to hard boot my PC 15 + times before restoring an old
VBG back-up made it work again.
Wow! :(
Time to get ZA out of the equation I'd say. The only way to do this
would be through a complete uninstall of it.
There are other firewalls that are equally or more effective than
ZA. I personally recommend Kerio Personal Firewall. It carries a
small footprint, is VERY stable, and does only what you tell it to.
No tricks or unexpected surprises.
OTOH, I personally can't think of another client to replace TB!
with. :)
VBG Plus, I've owned XP for just over 8 months and I never hard
VBG booted my PC like this ever.
TB! and ZA don't get along on many systems. I had a very bad
experience personally.
VBG It doesn't freeze unless I have the task manager open. What
VBG happens is the system slows down to the point where if I were
VBG to do a figure 8 with the mouse on the screen in one second the
VBG system will still be doing that figure 8 for the next two
VBG minutes.
Yeah. Sounds like you're CPU resources are completely consumed
by some errant process.
VBG Is it possible something was still running? I don't know :(
Don't know but an open mind is important here. It's very hard to
have one in these circumstances.
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Mogens Holst [MH] wrote:'
MH It was locking up and I had to reboot. I could not CAD out of
MH it. And it was only the combination of ZAP and TB! ZAP worked
MH fine with over network programs.
Interesting. I've never heard ZAP and TB! creating such serious
problems until now. I must remember this one.
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Re[2]: (no subject)
Marck: That did it. Thanks. I'm new to this list. What is top posting? Did I do something wrong? Thanks, Michael S. Hyatt On Sunday, December 8, 2002 at 2:38:11 PM you wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Michael, @8-Dec-2002, 14:16 -0600 (20:16 UK time) Michael S. Hyatt [MSH] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Where can I download cookie files? DG See DG http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg50674.html, DG which suggests that you search the Web for tag lines. MSH I must be dense. I've been searching on Google for about 20 MSH minutes. I haven't come up with one file yet! http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8q=taglines (and please don't top-post here) - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE98620OeQkq5KdzaARAnKzAKChUru+TzU1EpFQpVOgdn7l7PxKmwCgrxkk 8KUHGjr29Zee2vjuze1vE3U= =ehgE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Michael S. Hyatt [MSH] wrote:'
MSH What is top posting? Did I do something wrong?
Ooops! Yes, you did. ;)
You quoted Marck's *entire* post below your reply. Even Marck's
signature is included. Most readers of this list don't like having
to download the same text more than once. It's not only redundant,
but it's costly for some who are still using very expensive dial-up
connections.
- restrict your quotation to include only that much of the original
message that will convey the context of your answer.
- most readers here also prefer to initally scan/read the quoted
text to see what it is you wish to reply to, before actually reading
your reply. We therefore quote first and then type our reply.
You'll see a lot of what we term, nested replies. You'll see a
snippets of quoted text followed by specific replies to each quote.
This makes for a conversational type flow. It's easier to follow
and allows those not really following the thread to easily pick up
what is happening.
Your method of replying is more appropriate for special, private
correspondence. It makes life difficult for your audience in the
context of a discussion list.
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 at 16:50:04[GMT -0500](which was 21:50 where I live) you wrote: ACM Interestingly this was my experience before things went awry. Good ACM luck. Un installed, rebooted and no change. shucks :-( -- Best regards, Richard The early bird suffers from insomnia Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, ACM The only thing I can say is that TB! triggers a problem. Whether the ACM problem is in fact completely in TB!'s realm of responsibility is ACM yet to be proven. I naturally doubt this very much since my ACM experience with TB! is the opposite. I run it 24/7 on my XP system ACM and throughout all beta's etc for the last year, it has never ACM interfered with XP. I hope you persevere since I'm sure there's a ACM culprit. I'll find it. I will kick in Kerio as soon as possible too but want to get the network up and running with Kerio before I finally decide to stick with it. Thank you a thousand times as it feels good to know not everyone with XP is having the problem. I want TB! too :) I will let you know of any updates to my progress as they come along. -- Best regards, Victor B. Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v1.62 Christmas Edition Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: (no subject)
On Sunday, December 8, 2002 at 4:42:55 PM you wrote: MSH What is top posting? Did I do something wrong? ACM ACM Ooops! Yes, you did. ;) Okay, is that better? ;-) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Templates for This Discussion Group?
Can someone share with me templates for New messages and Replies that are appropriate for this list? Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Ctrl+P
Hi Co-Batties, the error remains ... maybe we'll be more lucky with 1.63 ;-)) -- Cheers, Vince ''' ô¿ô - Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setup
* Allie C Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Francis Mendez [FM] wrote:' However, in order for this to work, I had to set up all email accounts to use the same location to store everyone's account directories on a server. This works fine, but a few of us that use laptops are left without email when we are off line. I know this problem :-/ The only thing I can think of is to run separate installations of TB!, i.e., one that uses the central server working mail directory, and the other that uses a local working mail directory. Yes, this is what I do. [...] you can only run a single installation per user. [...] BTW, though both are installed in separate user spaces, you could run both from the same user space by creating a special shortcut that prompts you for the user credentials. Like this one I use ,[ One line ] | C:\WINNT\system32\runas.exe /profile /user:workgroup\dummy | C:\Program files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /nologo /U:thoenges ` to execute the other The Bat!, which runs under user dummy's account. -- Best regards, Carsten Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setup
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Carsten Thönges [CT] wrote:'
CT Like this one I use
CT ,[ One line ]
CT | C:\WINNT\system32\runas.exe /profile /user:workgroup\dummy
CT | C:\Program files\The Bat!\thebat.exe /nologo /U:thoenges
CT `
CT to execute the other The Bat!, which runs under user
CT dummy's account.
Excellent. Gem for storage. :)
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Re: I apologize for messing up the list so far.
Hello Victor, On Sat, 7 Dec 2002, at 12:42:31 GMT -0500 (12/7/2002, 11:42 AM -0500 GMT here), you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: VBG Can the moderator re-send the welcome message VBG which had the macro so I can display Bat! version, OS, SP1? Place the line below in the appropriate template. TB! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSCSDVERSION ^^ ^ ^^ ^ = hard coded % = macro Depending on what version it can get quite lengthy so I obviously abbreviated. Also it depends upon what messages you want this or similar output to be displayed. If you want to display in all messages, then Account | Properties | Templates and expand templates. Once expanded place in New Reply templates. Others may have different slices of info, it really depends what you want. HTH! -- Best regards, Greg Strong TB! v1.62 Beta/17 on Windows XP Service Pack 1 PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=0xB1FE63FABody=Please20send20keys Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
Hello Allie, It's not only redundant, but it's costly for some who are still using very expensive dial-up connections. All the other arguments you give may be valid, but not this one. If redundancy and high cost of some connections was important, and we all were aware about it when writing, a lot of redundancy an unnecessary garbage could be eliminated from many messages, both in the headers and in the body. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Templates for This Discussion Group?
Hi Michael, On Sunday, December 8, 2002, 23:56:28, Michael S. Hyatt wrote: Can someone share with me templates for New messages and Replies that are appropriate for this list? My New Message template looks as follows: %Cursor %TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany %wrapped=%qinclude=cookie my Reply template is %Cursor On %ODateen, %OTimeLong, %TONAME wrote: %Quotes %SINGLERE -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany %wrapped=%qinclude=cookie Set your Identity accordingly. HTH, Roman -- Roman Katzer, Aachen, Germany Camouflage toilet paper... for use in the woods when ambush is your main fear. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: License question.
Hello Marck, Sunday, December 8, 2002, 7:04:23 PM, you wrote: RL A nice quick simple question, I hope :) RL If I install The Bat on a secondary PC of mine do I have to buy RL another license? Yours? For your own use? No. For the use of someone else (even on your behalf)? Yes. Mine for my own use on another PC upstairs. :) Thanks. -- Best regards, Richard Lane - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Magnum Opus http://www.magnumopus.co.uk Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Lost the Ability to Display Messages in My INBOX!
HELP! I had two sudden power outages this afternoon. Now I can see all my messages EXCEPT for those in my Inbox. The Unread/Totals are shown and there are two files in my Inbox folder, but as I said above, The Bat! won't display the messages and the Export box is greyed out. Is there ANYTHING I can do to fix this? Paul Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hi All, On 8 Dec 2002 17:19:07 (my local time 14:19:07), Allie C Martin wrote (in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Time to get ZA out of the equation I'd say. The only way to do this would be through a complete uninstall of it. ZA is absolutely a pig to un-install. Refer to the following URL for detail. http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/support/znalmInstallFAQ.jsp -- Regards, Anthony Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost the Ability to Display Messages in My INBOX!
PS HELP! PS I had two sudden power outages this afternoon. Now I can see all my PS messages EXCEPT for those in my Inbox. The Unread/Totals are shown and PS there are two files in my Inbox folder, but as I said above, The PS Bat! won't display the messages and the Export box is greyed out. PS Is there ANYTHING I can do to fix this? Out of desparation, I decided what would happen if I just moved the index file out of the Inbox folder? Well, as soon as I did that, I guess The Bat! re-indexed the Inbox message base and all is back to normal. Is that the usual recovery method? Paul Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
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In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'
MAU All the other arguments you give may be valid, but not this
MAU one. If redundancy and high cost of some connections was
MAU important, and we all were aware about it when writing, a lot
MAU of redundancy an unnecessary garbage could be eliminated from
MAU many messages, both in the headers and in the body.
Not again sigh
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Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information:
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Re: (no subject)
Hello Allie, Not again sigh Yes, again. Can't help it. I hate to see how people (not only moderators) jump on newbies on their very first message or reply because of top posting or lack of signature delimiters with arguments of redundancy and bandwidth saving, while many (quite a lot) of messages repeat in the body the Subject, Date (in several places around the world), message ID, etc.,etc. And to that, add a number of header lines, not at all necessary, that are included in *every* message. And this time I will not say anything about PGP signatures, but yes about those who are starting to use both PGP and S/MIME signatures. So go ahead and keep jumping on newbies, but please be honest and don't use the redundancy and bandwidth arguments. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v1.61 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Miguel, @9-Dec-2002, 02:38 +0100 (01:38 UK time) Miguel A. Urech [VBG] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Not again sigh VBG Yes, again. Can't help it. Well, please try to :-(. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 ' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000) iD8DBQE98/ajOeQkq5KdzaARApfZAJ456LOyaYlP8Z+h0KjFlOi529ezKwCfbqWW BCN5Gr8HAkrRyGJ/S6wXTtI= =jxMK -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: pgp 8
t is there a plugin for pgp 8? will there ever be such a plugin? To continue on from Peter's post: Until the time - if ever there is one - that a PGP 8.0 plugin becomes available you could of course use PGP 6.58 CKT, which is completely free, has a plugin for The Bat!, and works flawlessly with it! And 6.58 ckt is compatible with W2K and WXP (Thanks Allie ;-) ). Where can I get version 6.58? pgp.com only has v8 available for download. John - -- Slán, Simon @ theycallmesimon.co.uk Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Moving to New Messages
I'm a newbie to the program. I'm very impressed so far. However, I must be missing some basic command for this. How do I move from one message to the next *even if* the next new message is in another account. I have several e-mail accounts, and I don't want to use the mouse if I don't have to. Thanks, Michael S. Hyatt Using The Bat! Version 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Allie, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:19:07 -0500 GMT (09/12/02, 05:19 +0700 GMT), Allie C Martin wrote: VBG It doesn't freeze unless I have the task manager open. What VBG happens is the system slows down to the point where if I were VBG to do a figure 8 with the mouse on the screen in one second the VBG system will still be doing that figure 8 for the next two VBG minutes. Yeah. Sounds like you're CPU resources are completely consumed by some errant process. I think so too. Now the question is to find out which process that is. Victor, can you check memory usage before starting TB and then again when the sluggish behaviour starts? Which app or process is using the resources? (If you wait until it is all bad, you might not be able to use the memory tool any more.) Just an idea. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Lost the Ability to Display Messages in My INBOX!
Hello Marck, MDP The recommended fix is to exit TB, delete the messages.tbi file (NB, MDP *not* the tbb file) and reload TB. The TBI file is the index file MDP and will be automatically rebuilt from the TBB contents when it MDP turns up missing. Thanks. I guess I must have received the above info directly from your brain. g Paul Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to New Messages
Hello Michael, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 20:57:41 -0600 GMT (09/12/02, 09:57 +0700 GMT), Michael S. Hyatt wrote: I'm a newbie to the program. I'm very impressed so far. However, I must be missing some basic command for this. How do I move from one message to the next *even if* the next new message is in another account. I have several e-mail accounts, and I don't want to use the mouse if I don't have to. It would involve some tabbing, maybe alt-tab if you use folder view. You can use TB entirely from the keyboard, the design did have screenreaders in mind. I move to the next unread message using crtl-]. Depending on my setting, this can work across folders of the same account (Options / Preferences / Message List / When moving... (drop-down box)). However, there is no option to move across accounts with this keystroke, if that is what you are looking for. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Always try to be modest. And be proud of it! Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (no subject)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Miguel A. Urech [MAU] wrote:'
MAU So go ahead and keep jumping on newbies, but please be honest
MAU and don't use the redundancy and bandwidth arguments.
moderator
On a public note, this personal attack on my honesty as a moderator
is not appreciated and also refuted.
It would be unreasonable and ridiculous if as moderators, we were to
proceed to demand that all members post in a particular way to
completely remove what may be deemed as redundant material. We try
to maintain fairness and objectivity.
If someone wishes to use a colourful introduction or detailed
introduction it's really up to them. Same for the signature, though
there are guidelines for those as well, for example the 6 line limit
for signatures.
However, two things are really unnecessary in the context of a
discussion list and there's really no good reason for them. One is
overquoting and the other is not using a signature delimiter. In the
context of a busy e-mail discussion list, how can one defend doing
either of these two things. Who stands to benefit from it. There's
no entertainment as with a cookie in the signature. No time zones to
inform those who may be interested etc. It's just unnecessary.
Overquoting *does* impact on bandwidth so I *am* being honest.
Top posting encourages over-quoting and also makes it difficult for
many of the more helpful members to understand the flow of a
discussion since perceiving context can be a tedious process when a
reply is formatted in such a fashion. There has been so much public
agreement on this point that we've been asking new comers to change.
This is actually in their interest as well.
/moderator
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Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information:
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Re[2]: Moving to New Messages
Hi Thomas: On Sunday, December 8, 2002 at 9:31 pm, Thomas Fernandez wrote: I move to the next unread message using crtl-]. Depending on my setting, this can work across folders of the same account (Options / Preferences / Message List / When moving... (drop-down box)). However, there is no option to move across accounts with this keystroke, if that is what you are looking for. Major bummer. It seems like this would be an easy option for the programmers to add. How can I use the keyboard to move to the next account? Best regards, Michael S. Hyatt Using The Bat! Version 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving to New Messages
Hello Michael, On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 22:23:50 -0600 GMT (09/12/02, 11:23 +0700 GMT), Michael S. Hyatt wrote: Major bummer. It seems like this would be an easy option for the programmers to add. I would think it is in the wish list, but it wouldn't urt if you added it again. How can I use the keyboard to move to the next account? That depends were you are. If you are reading mails in folder view, you close that window by hitting esc. In the main TB window, you move around the three panes by hitting tab. I have full-height account tree, message list, and preview pane. If you set-up is different, the principle should still hold. Hit tab until you are in the account tree pane. The folder you were previously working in will be highlighted. Use the arrow keys to navigate up or down. I don't know about a jump to next account keyboard shortcut. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. It is wrong to ever split an infinitive. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.62 Christmas Edition under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using an AMD Athlon K7 1.2GHz, 128MB RAM Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
?: LOST Folders !!!
Hello, Guys ! I'm in troubles now ! I've lost all folders of The Bat (but directories and bases are OK) Would You advice, is is possibly to restore that files with my configuration ?!!! Yes, i can add my over 50 folders again... Yes. i can to reactivate millions of filter, yes, can try to remember the multiplies different replies for each folder AND YES !!! I can shoot every guy from The Bat ! TEAM !!! Regards, AG Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ?: LOST Folders !!!
In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED],
Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] wrote:'
AAG I'm in troubles now ! I've lost all folders of The Bat (but
AAG directories and bases are OK) Would You advice, is is possibly
AAG to restore that files with my configuration ?!!!
Try the shortcut Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L .
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MUA: TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition ___ OS: WinXP Pro (SP1)
Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information:
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Re: ?: LOST Folders !!!
Yes, thank You Ali ! Of course now i should restore properties of each found folder ... :((( 09.12.2002, U wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] wrote:' AAG I'm in troubles now ! I've lost all folders of The Bat (but AAG directories and bases are OK) Would You advice, is is possibly AAG to restore that files with my configuration ?!!! Try the shortcut Shift+Ctrl+Alt+L . Regards, AG Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: ?: LOST Folders !!!
Hello Alexander, On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 at 11:02:06[GMT +0500](which was 06:02 where I live) you wrote: AAG I'm in troubles now ! I've lost all folders of The Bat (but AAG directories and bases are OK) I had to uninstall TB! a week or so ago but I had backups of all the important folders. When I re installed I used tools/restore and had every thing back as before including filters and all my font settings. You do back up don't you? -- Best regards, Richard Every person, all the events of your life, are there because you have drawn them there. What you chose to do with them is up to you. Richard Bach Using The Bat! version 1.62 Beta/17 with Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 3 and using the best browser: Opera. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
