Re: [TruthTalk] What I believe...and what I do not believe

2005-05-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Raymond, you are very smooth. You almost had me believing that you worship the same Jesus and God that Terry worships. You see, the God of the Bible never was a man. He has no beginning and no end. He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. There were none before Him, and there will be none

Re: [TruthTalk] Are Jesus and Satan brothers?

2005-05-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Ray, if you are talking about the sticks of Ephraim and Judah in Ezekiel 37...well, sorry to let you down, but that is a prooftext that has no relation to the book of mormon. We've been over that already on this forum. Sorry. From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] LDS folks did coin the anti-Mormon term, and subsequently defined it in effect as one who actively preaches against and denigrates LDS theology Right so it is a defense/deflection mechanism to label those that are engaged in any form of criticism of the

Re: [TruthTalk] Anti-Christian

2005-05-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
way or another from what they currently believe? Just what do you perceive the political fallout to be? Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] LDS folks did coin the anti-Mormon term, and subsequently defined it in effect as one who actively preaches against

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
with the devil? So what then; after we find what we have in common? */Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Charles Perry Locke wrote: DAVEH: Owhat an interesting response, Perry! I must say that I do find it rather curious that you would rather take

Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions

2005-05-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
/Anti-Mormon ...By that definition, would you not be properly labeled as an anti-Mormon? If not, how do you define /anti-Mormon/, Perry? Charles Perry Locke wrote: It would not, since I am not against mormons, per se. I am against mormoniISM. Not the poor deceived messengers

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
christianity a bad rep. He probably sees himself as 'suffering for the cause of Christ' whereas it's just the 'jerk factor' in play. Kevin:Speaking JtoJ we ought to keep this in mind. - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
] baptism Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 12:47:19 -0400 I know Jesus. Kevin is no Jesus. Very bad illustration, Charles Perry Locke. (heretofor 'Chuckie' after the films) - Original Message - From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 11, 2005 10:31 Subject

RE: [TruthTalk] An Editorial on Mormons 2

2005-05-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Holy cow, Blaine! Some of what this guy wrote is true! However, there are a fwe problems: 1. ALL OF THESE WORKS AND WARM FUZZIES HE MENTIONED WILL SAVE NO ONE! 2. HE DID NOT GET DROPPED INTO THE MIDDLE OF THE TEMPLE CEREMONIES AND WITNESS ALL OF THE OCCULTIC STUFF LIFTED FROM FREEMASONRY! 3.

Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions

2005-05-10 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Thanx for your reply, Perry. Apparently we have a difference of definitions. You may consider the difference just a manner of semantics, but I distinguish between anti-mormon (one who is against mormons) and anti-mormonism (against what

RE: [TruthTalk]

2005-05-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
invitation from me would hurt no one. Charles Perry Locke BTW, are you aware of the BCC: field in email messages? If you would like to include someone on an email, but do not want their name to show up on the message, just address them in the BCC: field. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Hello, Raymond. Welcome to Truth Talk. I have not yet had time to write a response to your lengthy post below, but will get to it when I have time. Perry Locke From: Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4

Re: [TruthTalk] Dispersions

2005-05-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
It would not, since I am not against mormons, per se. I am against mormoniISM. Not the poor deceived messengers of satan that promote it. Call me anti-statan, or more specifically, anti-mormonism. You can continue to call me anti-mormon if you want to disperse me :-), but that is not accurate.

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Holey skivvies with masonic emblems on them...the square and the compass. Tools of the craft. From: Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Terry: If not for the

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Holey skivvies with masonic emblems on them...the square and the compass. Tools of the craft. From: Bothoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 12:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Terry: If not for the

[TruthTalk] Mormon Underwear, was baptism

2005-05-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Perry wrote: Holey skivvies with masonic emblems on them...the square and the compass. Tools of the craft. Raymond wrote: H... It's clear that you are in attack mode. Since when is mentioning a fact about mormon undergarments an attack? How can we reasonably discuss facts if, when I

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-05-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Raymond, I thought I would answer this post by giving you some background about what I believe mormonism to be. You would find all of this out eventually, but by stating it up front I can save us weeks, maybe even months or probing. 1. I believe the bible to the the Word of God, delivered

Re: [TruthTalk] CAUTION: Mormon redefinition Alert!

2005-05-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Perry, For an answer to your questions, Perry, please read section 76 of the DC--it is, I understand, on-line. I don't rely on satanically inspired documents for truth. As to a general reply, I can only say that you seem to have the truth

RE: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Friends of Blaine: By all means, please join us here on Truth-Talk. Blaine needs help! Plus, I look forward to meeting ALL of you. And ALL means ALL. Just go to this link: http://www.innglory.org/discussions.htm and enter your email address, then click the Join Truth Talk button. Perry Locke

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Perry, you need to wipe the fog off your crystal ball. Your mind reading abilities are as foggy as your logical thinking relating to the ALL discussion. :-) Contrary to your belief, I don't need any wiggle room at all to feel comfortable with

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, It is not what we have in common that is the problem...it is what we do NOT have in common. DAVEH: So you have no interest in discussing theology in an effort to see what we might believe in common? Cpl: Not Really. I have an interest in exposing the error called mormonism. DAVEH: To

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] baptism Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 01:11:59 -0700 DAVEH: Owhat an interesting response, Perry! I must say that I do find it rather curious that you would rather take a more vigorous new tack against my beliefs rather than

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Terry, there is a book call The Distinguishing Traits of Christian Character, by Gardenr Spring. In it he posits that of the traits that Christians exhibit, there are two types...those that can be imitated by non-christians, and those that cannot. He concentrates on the distinguishable traits;

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, I agree that ALL has a context, but within the context it always means ALL, with one exception I will describe later. For example, healing all that were oppressed of the Devil could mean all that he encountered, or all that came to him, or all that were brought to him. It does not have

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Wouldn't that suggest *_ALL_* means less than everything? Dave, are you pulling a Clinton here? Doesn't 'ALL' always mean 'ALL'? -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man.

[TruthTalk] CAUTION: Mormon redefinition Alert!

2005-05-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, I know when you say paradise, as a mormon, you men something differnt than when a Christian says Paradise. And now our fellow TT'rs do, too. Thanks for pointing that out. But I must also warn our wary readers that when a mormon says hell, it may sound as though they are talking

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-05-04 Thread Charles Perry Locke
of the text, what it confers is exegesis /Charles Perry Locke wrote:/ /From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Wouldn't that suggest *_ALL_* means less than everything? / / Dave, are you pulling a Clinton here? Doesn't 'ALL' always mean 'ALL'? / -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED

[TruthTalk] Rename: Dresses

2005-04-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, There may be things that were culturally relevant for the first century that, while they do not mao easily to our current culture, certainly have analogs today. For example, do we really know what dresses meant to the first century citizen? Whatever they were, it probably is something

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-04-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: ... There are quite a few Bible passages that reveal more than their obvious message. As do parables, many convey more than one message. And when looked at from an oblique angle, I believe much can be learned from looking beyond the explicit text.

RE: [TruthTalk] Silence of Scripture

2005-04-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Silence of Scripture Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:59:07 -0400 Perry wrote: I believe it was Luther that said, Where the Bible remains silent, so shall I. Good advice. I

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-04-27 Thread Charles Perry Locke
thingsbut no NEW revelation, that is, nothing that contradicts the faith (which has been recorded in the New Testament) that was delivered ONCE FOR ALL to the saints. The mormon works fail this particular test because they attempt to ADD TO AND CHANGE the faith. Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-04-26 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, Yes, I am aware of John MacArthur's biases. Did you consider Zodhiates' position relative to the translation of Hapax? He also indicates that Hapax is used in a couple of different senses, but specifically references Jude 3 as being one of the instances similar to the sacrifice...it

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-04-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, I think the post you responded to is mine, not Kevin's. Here is Jude 3 in it's entirety from the NASB: Jude 3: Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-04-24 Thread Charles Perry Locke
cannot take such a casual statement, posed as a question for teaching purposes, and build a doctrine around it. If you DO consider that as a valid way of determining doctrine, then why do the mormons not take up serpents or drink deadly things (Mk 16:18)? Perry Charles Perry Locke wrote: From

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] More wisdom from Dallas Willard

2005-04-24 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, I appreciate being included in the group of thoughtful, literate TT members, even as an also ran, but I do not recall ever identifying any character deficiencies in DM. Do you recall something I don't? From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] It does and, I apologize for not including them.

Re: [TruthTalk] baptism

2005-04-23 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Then why do you think those early Christians who practiced proxy baptism were doing it? Do you think they believed was simply a *REPRESENTATION*? Or do you suppose they thought it might have more significance than simply being a *LIKENESS*. Dave, you are

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-04-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] BLAIN wrote: Now, who is trying to make a doctrine from a single scripture? Kevin, maybe? The doctrine of Baptism, and it's being necessary for one's salvation, is made clear--very clear--in various places. None more clearly though than when the Lord

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism 4 dead?

2005-04-22 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] BLAINE: It is ON-GOING REVELATION that Kevin does not believe in. His theme is, as always, that revelation ceased with the apostles' deaths. Can you or Kevin furnish me with any scripture that substantiates this false--VERY false--doctrine? Blaine,

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Re [Truth Talk] Saved -- Salvation -- and th...

2005-04-17 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] AN even more interesting question is What did they use in Moses time before??? Well, we know there was law prior to Moses. For example, adam and Eve had a law not to partake of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Cain and Able had laws

RE: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: FW: (no subject)]]

2005-04-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
i hv sn smlr thngs whr ltrs r lft ot nd th txt s stl rdbl. From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: FW: (no subject)]] Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 20:33:01 -0500 -

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Only this Message can give Assurance

2005-04-13 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Perry.I intend to respond to one (or more) of your previous posts, but am getting behind on both my email and sleep! However, your below post compels me to ask you a question. If you really believe that it is God's will that all be saved, why

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] DAVEH: Pretty funny stuff coming from a guy who admits to not understanding the Trinity, Perry! Dave, you are playing a little loose with me here. I understnd the Trinity in the context in which it is presented in the Bible...I do not understand the aspects

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Only this Message can give Assurance

2005-04-12 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] A quick poll for TT: Who here believes in limited atonement or universal atonement? In other words, did Jesus die for the sins of the saved or the sins of all men? Jesus died for the sins of all, but not all will be saved. Who here believes in predestination,

[TruthTalk] DaveH: The nature of mystery

2005-04-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
it does not reduce that fact that we can know and understand the Trinity from a practical point of view, even though we do not understand the mystery of it. Perry From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Perry Locke wrote: DavidH wrote: ... After pondering all that, I do find it curious that you would claim Mormons believe a different Jesus than is found in the Bible. Ponder this: The Jesus of the bible is God incarnate...not another or different god. (See John 1:1...was with God and was God

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
address the nature of the Godhead very well. In short, there is a lot I find lacking in this rather lengthy summary. Charles Perry Locke wrote: The mormon jesus is NOT the Jesus of the Bible, the one we Christians worship. Check out this link for details: http://www.equip.org/free/DT160.pdf Perry

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-10 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DavidH wrote: ... After pondering all that, I do find it curious that you would claim Mormons believe a different Jesus than is found in the Bible. Ponder this: The Jesus of the Bible is not the brother of Satan, a fallen archangel. The Jesus of the Bible is not the son of a man-come-god from

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, I know where you stand and I know where you stand. Lets let it go, okay? DAVEH: While you continue to criticize me for believing LDS doctrine? If you have more to say, let it fly. But, at this time, though, I do not. Perry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with

RE: [TruthTalk] Sounds of Hell

2005-04-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I heard it on a radio program a few months back...it is a hoax. From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Sounds of Hell Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:14:18 -0400 Anybody ever heard this tape recording of

RE: [TruthTalk] Sounds of Hell

2005-04-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
In fact, here is a site that claims to have traced it back to the originator. http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=21390 From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Sounds

[TruthTalk] BoM Golden plates seen in October, 2003

2005-04-09 Thread Charles Perry Locke
BoM Golden Plates witnessed by a man in Octrober of 2003. He even meets JS! http://www.totse.com/en/religion/christianity/ihaveseenthego179122.html -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6)

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-08 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: There must be a resolution to this apparent dilemma. DAVEH: What dilemma? If you can be one with God, Perry. Why can't Jesus be one with his Father in Heaven. That would make 3 separate entities that are one with each other

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
] Hows does this Mormon concept work Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 01:48:58 GMT -- Charles Perry Locke wrote: Gee, another heretical sect. BLAINE: OoooH! Your ignorance and narrowness are showing, Perry--the Eastern Orthodox Church has more members/adherants than Protestantism and Catholicism combined

Re: [TruthTalk] to Perry on heretics--an apology

2005-04-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
reprimanding me for doing that. Apparently the Lord thinks you are not to be referred to by that name!! Blaine -- Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee, another heretical sect. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org

Re: [TruthTalk] to Perry on heretics--an apology

2005-04-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blaine: The doctrine of deification is quite plain in the Bible. According to mormons, so is the doctrine of polygamy and the doctrine of baptism for the dead, which I do not see in the Bible...yes, I have read the bible looking for those doctrines,

Re: [TruthTalk] to Perry on heretics--an apology

2005-04-07 Thread Charles Perry Locke
that you do not believe in. I find that in general the mormons do that with the Bible, too. Perry From: Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] to Perry on heretics--an apology Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 21:44

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
: Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 00:07:32 -0700 Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, I am honest with my responses to you. It is not hypocritical for me to ask for a prooftext. If you asked me the wife/dog question I would answer neither...next question

RE: [TruthTalk] Apostles Prophets

2005-04-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I beleive that the 12th apostle, selected by the 11 to replace Judas, fulfilled the requirment of having seen Jesus face-to-face...and Paul... he met jesus face-to-face before becoming an apostle. On the road to Damascus. It is conjectured that he was personally taught by Jesus, too, after

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:24:46 -0700 Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave,thanks for your answers. DAVEH: You are welcome, Perry. So, what I got from

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Gee, another heretical sect. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 01:15:22 GMT Charles Perry Locke wrote: And, although mormons apparently

[TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave (and Blaine if you are still around), I have been wondering this for a few days, and need you help to understand it. The mormon god is an exalted man, of flesh and bones, right? And, he has multiple (would you say a thousand or so?) spiritual wives, right? And, he has sex with them

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
them?!?!?! Hm.seems rather hypocritical to me, Perry. Do you really want to know what I believe, and what I believe Scripture teaches, Perry.or do you just want to lampoon me? Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave (and Blaine if you are still around), I have been wondering

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
us some common ground on which to strike up a conversation :-) Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:29:26 -0700 Charles Perry Locke

RE: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-03-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Izzy, pardon me butting into your conversation with John, but I have always understood a discussion forum to be open to all members of the forum to comment, positive or negative, on anything posted. It seems that if a participant wants privacy (releatively speaking, since email, in general, is

Re: [TruthTalk] Terri Shiavo

2005-03-25 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, The chanting for water for Terri in the background was not disruptive, did not overwhelm the speakers, yet was direct and to the point. Your hope that perhaps your words could influence a judge is well founded. You never know when you might say a word that opens their hearts, and

RE: [TruthTalk] Blaine a Disappointment to Bro. Perry--formerly Hell=p hysical t

2005-03-24 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] BLAINE: Hmmm, well let's see now. How about the one regards Joseph Smith's revelations/prophecies?You and Kevin fulfill one of them every day, as do most street Preachers. See below: DC 1:16 They seek not the Lord nor his righteousness, but

Re: [TruthTalk] Indians with Beards

2005-03-23 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, I was on a rail platform a few days ago, catching the light rail from El Segundo to Norwalk (Los Angeles area). I noticed that the floor of the platform occasionally had a tile that had been sculpted by an artist and that they expressed various themes. Some of the bas relief pictures

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] How 'bout we take one of us each week, put that person on a chopping block and then the rest of us can verbally hack at him or her until all the victim's shortcomings lay bare. Terry, in the proper environment this can be very healthy towards

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, did you toss washers when you were a kid? Big 3 washers into a tuna tin buried in the ground? I have never met anyone else that has tossed washers. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's

Re: [TruthTalk] God's Hate and God's Wrath

2005-03-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Caroline, is suicide, such as hanging oneself, a sin? Can one repent of sin after one is dead? If you answered yes', then 'no' to these questions, then how did Judas repent by hanging himself? Perry From: Caroline Wong [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To:

Re: [TruthTalk] Indians with Beards

2005-03-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lets not forget the fact that DNA evidence positively demonstrates that the Indians have absolutely no inheritance from Hebrew people. None. Zilch. Nada. Check out this web page, and especially the video near the end of the page: http://www.godandscience.org/cults/dna.html In this

RE: [TruthTalk] Hell = Physical Torture?

2005-03-18 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Torture? Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:06:14 GMT -- Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your mind has been polluted by the heretical LDS works. If you relied on his Word you would clearly see that your impressions of God are all wrong. BLAINE: I keep noticing that you do a lot of labeling

Re: [TruthTalk] Hell = Physical Torture?

2005-03-17 Thread Charles Perry Locke
. And I know it. For the Bible tells me so. Perry From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Hell = Physical Torture? Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:14:49 -0800 Charles Perry Locke wrote: From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice

2005-03-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
to us about his nature. From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:37:36 -0800 Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave wrote: I think one of the biggest

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images]

2005-03-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, God is perfect, your parents are not. His ways are not their ways...His thoughts are not their thoughts. They are fallen in nature, He is not. He is the creator, they are the created. He is eternal, omniscient, and omnipresent, they are not. To assign them the same traits and character is

RE: [TruthTalk] to Perry and Kevin

2005-03-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] to Perry and Kevin BLAINE: AHA! You could not resist the temptation to get back into the fray of things, Perry! I am laughing! You wanted to just stand off and let Kevin handle/bungle it all, right? You are easily amused,

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images]

2005-03-14 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave wrote: I think one of the biggest /problems /(if that is the proper word to use) I have with Protestantism is their view of hell and damnation. I've said it before, but for some of you who are a bit new to TT, I'll give you a brief explanation. It seems to me that Protestants are far

Re: [TruthTalk] SEERS can't See

2005-03-11 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, I do not see that you have given an adequate apology for the fact that the prophet of the LDS church could not see that the Hoffman forgeries were fake. Plus, there are other great errors made by former LDS prophets and the LDS church in general. Are you truly blinded to thiose thngs?

RE: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of A.Word.A.Day

2005-02-16 Thread Charles Perry Locke
There are also 10 types of people...those who understand binary, and those who don't. From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of A.Word.A.Day Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 22:32:37 -0800 There are

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Tough Time in Germany?

2005-02-06 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, isn't there supposed to be a great falling away before the end? Maybe that is what we are seeing in Europe. When people join the LDS, that is falling away, too! They are part of the problem! Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To:

RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's response

2005-02-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Izzy, it appears as though the ha ha message is from Glen Tabor...remember Glen? This was not Gary if the header is correct. From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Izzy's response Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
we need them when the crowd is but a few feet away. Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Charles Perry Locke wrote: G, My question to Blaine was in response to his knocking SP's, particularly those at the LDS GC and their methods. I thought it would

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Classification

2005-02-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, I am afraid running the question of whether JS was baptised a Baptist through a LDS forum will only get you the answer you want instead of the truth. The LDS is an organization known for suppresssing the truth. You have to look outside the LDS box to get the truth. That is why we see the

[TruthTalk]

2005-02-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
*** LDS REDEFINITION ALERT! *** Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 17:50:21 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Precedence: bulk Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org was the L:DS Church according to SPs/rebuttal BLAINE wrote: Thousands? At best, only

Re: [TruthTalk] On occupying antithetical positions

2005-02-03 Thread Charles Perry Locke
see the presidents State of the Union address? Is that the only legitimate use of amplification? Free Speech carries with it the right to be heard. Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G, My question to Blaine was in response to his knocking SP's

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 00:18:11 -0800 Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, You have pulled this conversation way off track. DAVEH: Really?!?!?! I thought I

Re: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
G, My question to Blaine was in response to his knocking SP's, particularly those at the LDS GC and their methods. I thought it would be interesting to find out what he thinks would be the best way to evangelize Mormons. While sending out missionaries two by may two work in peoples homes, it

Re: [TruthTalk] Dylan wrecked by reckless Christianity

2005-02-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
I have seen some changes in the Mormon Faith - perhaps indicating that the move of God effects even that fellowship. John John, will you please elaborate on what changes you have seen in Mormonism? As I understand it, other than removing some objectional material from the secret temple

RE: [TruthTalk] Prayer in Evangelism

2005-02-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
22:39:13 -0800 DAVEH: I've changed the subject line to more accurately reflect the topic Charles Perry Locke wrote: Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Please show me the scriptures that says one comes to faith by praying for them. DAVEH: Why do you need that any more than you need

Re: [TruthTalk] The Facts about Iraq

2005-02-01 Thread Charles Perry Locke
John, the Koran verse in your post has been shown to be a hoax. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The Facts about Iraq Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2005 21:02:50 EST Subject: IRAQ IRAQ - VERY INTERESTING - DID YOU KNOW?

Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian? Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:04:51 -0800 Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, Please show me

RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-31 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Good answer, Blaine. I do think that the LDS missionary force is quite impressive...if only their message was true it would not be such a massive waste of time and resources :-(. You may never have heard this, but hank Hanegraaff says, If only Christians were willing to do for Christ what the

[TruthTalk] The obelisk and Joseph Smith

2005-01-30 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Did you know that the obelisk is a Masonic symbol taken from ancient egypt? At the base of the Washing Monument is a placard that says it was dedicated in a Masonic ceremony. Did you also know Joseph Smith was a Mason? Did you also know that there is such a monument to Joseph Smith in New

RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stirring

Re: [TruthTalk] Stirring up the fallow ground-used to be What is a Ch ristian?

2005-01-29 Thread Charles Perry Locke
: Prayer. Kevin Deegan wrote: Good question! */Charles Perry Locke [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Blaine, please tell us what evangelical approach would work best with Mormons, especially at the General Conference. Help us out here. Thanks, Perry http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=30648/*http

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:35:16 -0500 Charles said:'to Christians, when one dies, one's fate has been cast...there is no second chance.' This is

RE: [TruthTalk] concept-reality Q

2005-01-21 Thread Charles Perry Locke
to this later. Debbie -Original Message- From: Charles Perry Locke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 3:47 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] concept-reality Q Debbie wrote: My questions arising have to do with learning: How does one know how great

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Perry Locke wrote: DaveH, Something is being twisted here beyond it's bounds. The term street preacher refers to all evangelicals that preach in the open air, but you are using it to refer to those that offend you. DAVEH: ??? I don't recall saying

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH, I know you did not address your response to me, but when you talk about some TTrs below, I am probablyi n that group and would like to clarify one thing. From: Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] IOW.Is there any point at which there will ever be /peace /between some TTers and me, or

RE: [TruthTalk] Why so many LDS bad apples?

2005-01-20 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, Blaine, if you see any error in Kevin's post below, feel free to correct them. From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Why so many LDS bad apples? Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 09:47:43 -0800 (PST)

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