Bill,
Thanks Bill. I was very impressed by this glimpse into what looks
like a wonderful clear lifestyle. BTW, you have truly exceptional
eyes! If anyone here wants to see what true Zen looks like just take
a look at Bill's eyes.
Best,
Edgar
On Oct 6, 2008, at 5:03 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTE
probably going again after xmas to visit my
friend who does muay thai in Chang Mai. Does your wife have any sisters? Mike.
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Edgar,
You asked:
>I am curious as to why Thailand though? Are you working there or retired?
It's a long and winding road. I happen to be on the Thailand section of the
road now.
I came here about 6 or 7 years ago on a consulting engagement. At that time
I was living on a sailboat near Mobile,
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Bill,
Are you living in Thailand now? If so may I ask what you are doing
there?
I do have one small quibble with your post be
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Subject: [Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge
Bill,
That is why you have my vote for Guru of the Zen Forum.
When I said I did not want to go around and around with you defining
terminologies, I really meant that I did not want you to run circles
around me with your superior
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Bill,
Are you living in Thailand now? If so may I ask what you are doing there?
I do have one small quibble with your post
Bill,
That is why you have my vote for Guru of the Zen Forum.
When I said I did not want to go around and around with you defining
terminologies, I really meant that I did not want you to run circles
around me with your superior knowledge of the subjects at hand. I
have, once again, exposed
Agreed Edgar!
I know I "wasted" much time and energy on counting breaths for
months. Then switching to concentrating on the 'rising and falling'
of the diaphram. Then 'in and out' with breath. Then working chakras.
Then mantras. And different sitting positions and different hand
positions. I n
JM,
Since you mention Hui Neng, I'll share my translation of his famous
poem:
'There is no Bodhi tree,
There is no mirror bright.
There is only brightness,
And even the dust is dustless.'
In other words, there is no 'real' body, or any 'real' thing; there
is no 'self' that has consciousnes
Bill,
Are you living in Thailand now? If so may I ask what you are doing
there?
I do have one small quibble with your post below. I think it most
likely that both Gautama and Jesus were actual historical figures,
Jesus certainly so (after all his and his family's ossuary have been
found
Hi Bill-
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> P.S. Margie, Did you enjoy the dessert?
>
Enjoy it?! If you keep on like this I'll get very fat! Like those
Chinese statues of Buddha...
Time to do dishes!
Margie (roloro1557)
Curren
Hi Chris, The Sixth Patriarch's school is called the school of instant
enlightenment. It is for people like Edgar. The classmate of the Sixth
Patriarch, Shen-Xiu found the school of gradual enlightenment in the
north of China, where most of those like me belong. :-)
cid830 wrote:
>
> Thank
Chris, My comments to your recent post are embedded below:
>Bill,
>I was hoping you would chime in on that point.
CHIME! CHIME! CHIME!
>I know that
>often times it's a matter of symmantics or labels that we have to
>use to describe what you call JUST THIS!. I really don't want to go
>aroun
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Margie,
>
> So, you think 'The atom certainly existed long before humans came
along to
> "see" it.' Did it? That sounds like the old question of 'if a tree
falls
> in the forest and no one is there, is there a sound?'. I'd extend
Hi Chris,
I agree whatever works, but given ordinary human nature it is very
easy to get lost in particular disciplines (or lack of them) on the
way. Better to just cut through the illusion and realize you are
already there and always have been.
Edgar
On Oct 3, 2008, at 5:21 PM, cid830
Thank you, JMJM.
That is exactly what I was looking for. I see lots of postings about
how the teachings are meaningless and just a distraction from your
experiencing here and now, but I want people to understand that you
have spent years of training to get to this point. It is not just as
easy
Well Chris, I am not sure I understand your question. The way our
Teacher teaches is nothing but meditation for 15 years. Then he
correlates Buddhist sutras and Tao Te Ching to our experience. I was
taught by one of his students. Also nothing but meditation for 5-6
years, then gradually rel
Yes, JMJM, but doesn't your school rely heavily on the Buddha's
teachings to come to this realization? Under whose influence do you
connect to the universal life force? Who designed the principals
that you follow?
Thank You,
Chris
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Edgar,
Isn't that the ultimate goal? Isn't "directly experiencing
what is real" enlightenment? So Zen = Enlightenment? IMHO Zen is
the pathway to enlightenment.
The "window dressing and fluff, useful perhaps on the way to Zen"
are the necessary training (i.e. meditation, concentration
Bill,
I was hoping you would chime in on that point. I know that
often times it's a matter of symmantics or labels that we have to
use to describe what you call JUST THIS!. I really don't want to go
around and around defining terminologies. Siddharta Guatama is the
one who found the path t
Well, in our school, this transmission is the transmission of Buddha
Heart. An energy form that is pure clearing up the remains of the
blockage of the recipient.
Edgar Owen wrote:
>
> No 'transmission' of Zen is possible. You can't transmit direct
> experience of reality from one person to
No 'transmission' of Zen is possible. You can't transmit direct
experience of reality from one person to another. It's just a matter
of opening one's own eyes. A teacher or whatever may help trigger
such an awakening, but that is not 'transmission'.
As I've said before the only thing that i
Great explanation Bill. I always understood zen to be the following.
A special transmission outside the scriptures;
No dependence upon words and letters;
Direct pointing to the human mind;
Seeing into one's own nature and attaining Buddhahood.
These 4 lines are what attracted me to zen. It is
Right on, Brother Bill. Anything written down, spoken about are just
forms to describe a direct "connection" to the universal life force and
wisdom.
As Edgar stated numerous times, "nothing else matters..." When we
let go of our mind, we let go of our frame of reference. No more
capable
kitchen and see what I can
whip up. In the meantime you can prepare for that by taking the time to
WASH YOUR BOWLS!
...Bill!
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Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 8:52 AM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Zen] Re: 2009
Glorious Good Evening Bill!
You certainly live up to your name. Your post is absolutely delicious!
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>
> Chris,
>
> In a recent post you wrote:
>
> >I do disagree with Bill's point that Zen has always
> >stood alone and that other beli
I agree completely with Edgar...Bill!
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Of Edgar Owen
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 6:48 PM
To: Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge
Mike and Chris,
In my view Zen is simply directly
Chris,
In a recent post you wrote:
>I do disagree with Bill's point that Zen has always
>stood alone and that other beliefs have tried to
>incorporate it, I believe it is the opposite, Zen
>has been isolated from Zen Buddhism and incorporated
>into other people's beliefs. Or something like that.
Mike and Chris,
In my view Zen is simply directly experiencing what is real. All else
is just window dressing and fluff, useful perhaps on the way to Zen,
but intrinsically irrelevant.
Edgar
On Oct 2, 2008, at 4:09 PM, cid830 wrote:
Mike,
I really just mean for the sake of discussion o
Mike,
I really just mean for the sake of discussion on this forum. My
understanding of Zen Buddhism has always been that this is the path
that the Buddha took to enlightenment, minus much of the dogma that
traditional Buddhism has followed. The Eight-fold path, the Middle
Way, the Three Je
, 2008 3:06:38
Subject: [Zen] Re: 2009 Best Way Pledge
Oh goodness, I would have never imagined! This nomination means so
much to me! I first, and foremost, would like to thank my family who
has supported me throughout this endeavor.
As I see it, (and perceptions are different with each individua
Ha! Ha! Actually, my money is on Bill. I think JM would give him a
good race, but I'm not sure the masses are ready to accept that the
Heart Chan that he follows is True Zen or not. I think his Chan is
inter-woven with Buddhism, and I've heard that True Zen should stand
alone. What do you thin
Well, I'm glad to see that I completely mis-interpreted your post.
Honestly, I often seem to miss what others are trying to convey in
their posts. I read some of these exchanges in confusion, but the
correspondents seem to be on the same page. I guess that says alot!
Later,
Chris
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Hi Chris-
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>
>Margie,
>Please don't take offense to anything written here. I know
>sometimes the things that I post may be sarcastic or taken the wrong
>way.
No, I don't think I took it the wrong way...I was trying to be fun
I see you are practicing your acceptance speech already! :-)
Edgar
On Oct 1, 2008, at 2:06 PM, cid830 wrote:
Oh goodness, I would have never imagined! This nomination means so
much to me! I first, and foremost, would like to thank my family who
has supported me throughout this endeavor.
As I
Margie,
Please don't take offense to anything written here. I know
sometimes the things that I post may be sarcastic or taken the wrong
way. You seem like you've really got it together and I look forward
to reading more of your thoughts. You seem genuine in your ability
to live in the m
Oops - forgot to say that I am, however, deeply honored that you would
even consider nominating a woman.
Thank you,
Margie (roloro1557)
--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, "Al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> wrote:
>
> At this point I see five possible gurus:
>
> A) JM
> B) Bill
> C) Edgar
> D
Sorry- I don't want the nomination. I'm already much too busy ruining
childrens' lives with ammorality, spreading inaccuracies about zen,
misinterpreting the sayings of the masters, jerking people off their
path by telling them they don't have to do zazen.
Besides I want to go back to the kitchen
Oh goodness, I would have never imagined! This nomination means so
much to me! I first, and foremost, would like to thank my family who
has supported me throughout this endeavor.
As I see it, (and perceptions are different with each individual)
we have 3 distinct parties. I like to think tha
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