[RBW] Re: DIY build or order complete?

[Ken Yokanovich]

IMHO, your greatest challenge will be finding and collecting all of the 
parts necessary to build the bike. I think the key issue being 
compatibility, when to ignore and when to respect it. Rivendell World 
Headquarters does an fabulous job when it comes to mechanical wisdom and 
experience with what works/doesn't. Unless you have experience and a home 
shop stocked with components and incidentals, I think you will probably 
wind up spending more building a complete bike yourself. (Even excluding 
the cost for specialized tools that may be required.)

I strongly encourage you to explore bicycle maintenance on your own, 
perhaps experiment on an existing used bike. I was VERY young when 
beginning my bicycle (dis)/assembly and repair. I destroyed a lot of parts 
in my ignorance and learning experience. Even after YEARS of experience, I 
learned TONS more later when attending professional training and continued 
to learn from co-workers and experience with almost every repair while 
employed as a professional bike mechanic.  No longer working in the 
industry, I am still always learning. 

On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 10:32:14 AM UTC-5 Michael wrote:

> Hi all, 
> Ordered a Sam as my first Riv but unsure whether or not I should tackle 
> building it up myself or just let Riv have at it. I have never built a bike 
> before but I do have a workshop and am good with tools/mechanically 
> inclined. 
>
> Are there any specific steps that you would absolutely not recommend a 
> beginner attempt? By the time i purchase specialty tools, it may have been 
> wiser to just order it complete? 
>
> Let me know what you guys think, I really don't want to do something 
> stupid!
>
> Thanks,
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Soba Handlebars

[Ken Yokanovich]

Another vote for product re-introduction, re-release.

-Ken who is not as concerned about the weight as much as has a preference 
for their simpler aesthetics.

On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 12:00:31 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Every once and awhile I decide I want to search for some Soba bars again. 
> This is the lightweight version of the Noodle handlebars. Anyone have a 
> spare one they want to unload? Not really concerned about width.

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[RBW] Re: Gearing (was Getting Over My Head)

[Ken Yokanovich]

I am a big fan of the Shimano HG50 14-25 9 speed cassettes:  
(14-15-16-17-18-19-21-23-25T) paired with a 42T ring for a 1x drivetrain or 
44/30 2x drivetrain

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 12:55:27 PM UTC-5 Ted Durant wrote:

> Hi All -
>
> Leah's "Getting Over My Head" thread seems to have evolved into a gearing 
> thread. I retired from a career in data mining and statistical modeling, so 
> you can just imagine how much time I've wasted on "optimizing" bicycle 
> gearing. 
>
> Here's the TL;DR version: it's impossible to optimize gearing, so stop 
> sweating it.
>
> The slightly longer version is that we are locked into integer tooth 
> counts; when the optimal cog is 14.5 teeth, that ain't an option! So, we 
> are forced into compromising or, better yet, satisficing. 
>
> There are essentially three key points we are trying to fix with gears: 
> the lowest low, the highest high, and the steps in between. Given those, we 
> then try create a system that reliably and easily shifts among the gears. 
> For me, a 2x system using components available today provides the best 
> combination of low-low, high-high, steps in between, simplicity, 
> consistency, and reliability. But that depends highly on the chain, the 
> chainrings, and the front derailer playing nicely together. It also works 
> for me because I use it as 2 gearing ranges, one for flats and downhills, 
> the other for long, steeper uphills.
>
> The lowest low and the highest high are pretty straightforward, and plenty 
> of ink has been spilled on how to choose those, so there's no point in 
> elaborating on that. It's the "steps in between" part that drives us wild. 
> In theory, we think, we'd like to have perfectly even steps between the 
> high and low. In practice, though, 1) that's simply not possible with a 
> cog-and-chain drivetrain, and 2) it might not even be that desirable. A lot 
> of riders, myself included, find that we prefer smaller steps between gears 
> in the range in which we normally ride, and larger steps out in the 
> extremes. 
>
> What I definitely don't like is having a big difference between 3 adjacent 
> cogs in the middle of my cruising range. For example, a 1-tooth difference 
> one way and a 2-tooth difference the other. Unfortunately, this is a common 
> occurrence in large cog count cassettes with tiny small cogs - they go from 
> a 1-tooth difference to a 2-tooth difference near the middle of the 
> cluster. That's twice the amount of reduction/increase in effort. So, when 
> I'm looking at cassettes, I'm looking for ones where that 1-to-2 transition 
> occurs as close to the small cog as I can get it. A major factor here is 
> the movement to smaller smallest cogs, which has gone from 14 to 10 in my 
> time. Starting from 11 (or, God forbid, 10!) you use a lot of cogs to get 
> to the point where 2-tooth steps start to make sense.
>
> On the other hand, those small smallest cogs mean we can use small outer 
> chainrings, and that's something of a boon if your front derailer can 
> handle it, because it means we can also use smaller inner rings on a 2x to 
> get sufficiently low gearing. The difference between chainrings is worth 
> examining a bit. Typical road double front derailers have a 16-tooth max 
> difference specification, which derives from the standard "compact double" 
> 50-34. That's a 39% difference, which is a pretty big jump, roughly 3.3x 
> the average jump on the cassettes often paired with those chainrings. So, 
> shifting up front is the equivalent of around 3 1/3 cogs in back. On my 
> Waterford I use a 42-tooth large ring, and a 26-tooth small ring is 16t 
> smaller, but that's a whopping 48% difference, which is 5x the average jump 
> on my cassette. Piaw mentioned going with smaller tooth differences up 
> front, and there's a good example of why. When I built my Breadwinner I 
> went with 44x32 up front, a 32% difference that is 3.1x the average 
> difference on the cassette. I find that to be a much less disruptive change 
> than on my Waterford. The front chainring difference as a multiple of the 
> average in back turned out to be a significant factor for me. Sure, it 
> means I have more overlap in gears, but that's less important to me than 
> the change in cadence caused by shifting.
>
> One last consideration as I'm designing a drivetrain is that I want my 
> preferred cruising gear near the center of the rear cogs, maybe a little 
> closer to the small end, so that I can be on the large ring for most of my 
> riding around home. That's around a 5.0 gain ratio for me now, which is the 
> 42x17 on my Waterford. And, as noted, I want a consistent difference above 
> and below that gear, which means, for me, a 2-tooth change on each side of 
> it. 
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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Re: [RBW] Hand-Wringing: Kickstand Edition

[Ken Yokanovich]

For what it is worth- those similarly inclined to try to polish their 
kickstands.  There are lots of rough spots and irregularities to surface 
including a seam from where they are cast. I used a flat file to smooth out 
the seam and a palm sander to sand the surface smooth before attempting the 
polish. It's messy work so recommend gloves and a face-mask. I used a 
progression of sandpaper from 220/400/600/1000/2000. After the 2000 the 
surface can easily be buffed to a mirror finish by hand using an aluminum 
polish like Mothers Aluminum Polish, or use a buffing wheel to make the 
process quicker. 

On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 7:38:04 AM UTC-6 jacob...@gmail.com wrote:

> I did mine this morning at work. I used a big polishing lathe (3,000 rpm 
> 10HP) and a 14” color buff wheel. I used white rouge but probably would 
> have used a red to get a little more cut. One thing to keep in mind is that 
> a color buff will snatch the part from your hands. I could have done a 
> better job near the top but I didn’t feel the risk was worth it. If you are 
> using a bench top set up then there’s much less risk. It will still want to 
> grab though so be careful. 
>  
> All in all I’m happy with the results. Probably never do it again as I’m 
> not a clean your bike kind of person. 
>
> -Jacob
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 3, 2023, at 8:13 AM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> I am waiting on the video to come out ...
>
> Kim. 
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:59:47 PM UTC-8 Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
>> yes i'll take a mini tutorial on polishing a pletscher for sure.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 2:39:18 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, Ken! I love that polished double! A real pletscher to look at!
>>>
>>> How'd you do that?
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 7:19:38 AM UTC-8 Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>>>
>>>> I polished a kickstand for the build of my daughter's Cheviot and said 
>>>> to myself "never again!" 
>>>> [image: Cheviot Kicker.JPG]
>>>>
>>>> But then came the Platypus for my wife and I just couldn't help myself
>>>> [image: Kickstand.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> In the end, my wife preferred a single leg version. You guessed it, I 
>>>> found myself polishing another Greenfield.
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:54:20 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Now that I've watched Leah's comparo video and kicked my kickstand a 
>>>>> few times I'm surprised how much rattle the PDW shows. My Pletscher 
>>>>> Touring 
>>>>> and the swoopy-looking Pletscher make the same sounds, I'd return the 
>>>>> PDW. 
>>>>> I'm Team Swoopy! 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:37:57 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course we all understand.  I don't mind the looks of the new one 
>>>>>> and would be willing to try it but then you said it rattled.  i don't 
>>>>>> like 
>>>>>> a noisy bike.  I don't mind something a little weird looking if it's 
>>>>>> more 
>>>>>> functional.  Does it at least work well?  Change is hard when you loved 
>>>>>> what you had and just want that but it did break so you do want better.  
>>>>>> But the new one should work better and look better too.  Can't wait to 
>>>>>> see 
>>>>>> pictures of what you decide.  
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Along the same lines, I put on a new seat post and no one will ever 
>>>>>> know the difference but it bugs me that it doesn't look the same.  So I 
>>>>>> know how you feel.  It's a problem we all can relate to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:03:21 PM UTC-5 JW wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have full faith you can swap the new kickstand on when it arrives, 
>>>>>>> no reason to outsource that labor with your newfound bike mechanic 
>>>>>>> skills!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jared
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 6:43:45 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Hand-Wringing: Kickstand Edition

[Ken Yokanovich]

I applied some Groit's Garage Ceramic 3-in-1 spray finish, same stuff that 
I use to spray down the entire bike. 

Honestly, it can be a maintenance nightmare to keep shiny, particularly a 
kickstand that is subject to lots of abuse. Fortunately, I really enjoy 
keeping the fleet of bikes clean. I generally keep at least one bike ready 
for all kinds of inclement weather and abuse.

On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 10:41:22 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> Ken - after you polished it did you apply any kind of sealer to it?
>
>
> On Thursday, March 2, 2023 at 9:19:38 AM UTC-6 Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>
>> I polished a kickstand for the build of my daughter's Cheviot and said to 
>> myself "never again!" 
>> [image: Cheviot Kicker.JPG]
>>
>> But then came the Platypus for my wife and I just couldn't help myself
>> [image: Kickstand.jpg]
>>
>> In the end, my wife preferred a single leg version. You guessed it, I 
>> found myself polishing another Greenfield.
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:54:20 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Now that I've watched Leah's comparo video and kicked my kickstand a few 
>>> times I'm surprised how much rattle the PDW shows. My Pletscher Touring and 
>>> the swoopy-looking Pletscher make the same sounds, I'd return the PDW. I'm 
>>> Team Swoopy! 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 8:37:57 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Of course we all understand.  I don't mind the looks of the new one and 
>>>> would be willing to try it but then you said it rattled.  i don't like a 
>>>> noisy bike.  I don't mind something a little weird looking if it's more 
>>>> functional.  Does it at least work well?  Change is hard when you loved 
>>>> what you had and just want that but it did break so you do want better.  
>>>> But the new one should work better and look better too.  Can't wait to see 
>>>> pictures of what you decide.  
>>>>
>>>> Along the same lines, I put on a new seat post and no one will ever 
>>>> know the difference but it bugs me that it doesn't look the same.  So I 
>>>> know how you feel.  It's a problem we all can relate to.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 10:03:21 PM UTC-5 JW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have full faith you can swap the new kickstand on when it arrives, 
>>>>> no reason to outsource that labor with your newfound bike mechanic skills!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jared
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2023 at 6:43:45 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>

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[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

[Ken Yokanovich]

*Preface: I don't condone my choice of action*
Years ago, I had a group of teens hit me with a full gallon-sized (or 
metric equivalent) bottle of Gatorade thrown out the car window as they 
swerved uncomfortably close to me. It was early morning and I presumed they 
were on their way to school.

I sped up, cut through the neighborhood, and caught up to them idling at a 
busy intersection. I surprised them with a kick to the door, reached 
through the passenger window, turned off the ignition, removed the keys, 
and threw the keys as hard as I could into the nearby thick grass.  I 
calmly said "*explain that one to dad*" as I rode off leaving them stranded 
in traffic.

Ken - who now just "smiles and waves" 

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:41:46 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> *First of all I'd like to note that starting this thread might not be a 
> great idea. But perhaps it would be a way for us to share some experiences, 
> vent or commiserate. *
>
> Well, I think a lot of us have been there. We've had a weird, scary, 
> too-close-for-comfort interaction with a motorist. It could be due to 
> driver inattention or downright overt aggression. It could have been your 
> fault or no fault of your own. Do you have a riding story involving a 
> motorist you'd like to share? 
>
> I live in Fredericksburg, VA, a small city built on a grid. We have an 
> historic district here, many streets are narrow with one-way traffic. There 
> are a few two-lane arteries designed to move cars. Posted speeds are 25 mph 
> (I always drive slower and leave my truck in 2nd gear). People drive like 
> maniacs on certain residential streets, sometimes reaching 50mph. I often 
> wish for more traffic calming infrastructure, crosswalks, speed tables and 
> the like. 
>
> In March 2021 I was riding my bike to the bike shop, about a 1.5 mile 
> trip. I was heading down a one-way street through a residential 
> neighborhood with street parking on the right and long, grassy, landscaped 
> park on the left. I was riding to the right side of the street. This 
> section of road has one lane and it is unusually wide. There is room for 
> someone to comfortably pass a cyclist. 
>
> Someone honked their horn at me but not in the "Hi, heads up, I'm about to 
> pass you please and thanks" sort of way but the "Get the fork off the 
> road!" kind of way. It was startling. I responded by taking the lane, which 
> is legal for cyclists in Virginia. I rode dead center in the middle of the 
> lane. I hoisted a one-finger salute and carried on riding. I rode in the 
> middle of the lane for approximately 100 feet before making a turn. 
>
> Yes, this was an escalation. And it was a bad decision. I don't think I'm 
> alone in feeling frustrated by displays of impatience and aggression from 
> drivers and feel that I have certain rights as a human person to ride 
> safely. It is sometimes difficult not to react in the moment. Motorists 
> might be not only impatient but totally deranged. Road rage is real. And 
> drivers are behind the wheel of a vehicle that is easily weaponized. With 
> just a feather of the gas pedal or a slight turn of the wheel they can 
> inflict irrevocable damage to a cyclist. 
>
> The driver responded to my salute by getting within a few feet of my back 
> wheel. When I  made a turn to carry on to the bike shop, they followed. I 
> could hear them revving their engine behind me and feathering the gas to 
> get close to my back wheel but not quite hit me. I continued to ride in the 
> middle of the road. 
>
> I heard something hit the street next to me. It was an unopened aluminum 
> can of a carbonated beverage (I didn't go back to check out whether it was 
> soda, beer or seltzer). Acknowledging the projectile I decided I had to 
> bail and get up on the sidewalk or somehow turn around to where the car 
> could not get to me. 
>
> As soon as I moved to the side to take a driveway apron up onto the 
> sidewalk the car passed me, then got right in front of me and slammed on 
> their brakes. I braked hard and managed not to do an endo onto their trunk 
> or hit their vehicle. The straddle cable hanger came loose from the front 
> brake cable. The driver sped off. I did not get their plates. 
>
> A few days later I went around the neighborhood and knocked on every door 
> with a doorbell camera that was along the path of my interaction with the 
> driver. Everyone I asked checked their footage but only one came back with 
> anything showing me or the driver. There was a clip of the driver revving 
> their engine behind me and throwing the can. You can see the can fly 
> through the air and hear it land in the street. I got a good profile shot 
> of the car (2005 Acura TL, maroon with custom window trim), but no view of 
> the tags. 
>
> This is, by far, the worst interaction I've had with a motorist. I've only 
> been riding for a few years. There are others that aren't nearly as bad but 
> still register as scary and 

[RBW] Re: Potential buyer etiquette

[Ken Yokanovich]

I look at it a bit like posting something on Craigslist or really ANY 
retail experience. There will always be "tire-kickers," people who take a 
test drive , try on clothes, ask lots of questions about a product. but 
never buy. Retail is exhausting. 

Kudos and much respect to the team working at Rivendell who have 
undoubtedly fielded many a phone call or email without a purchase.

On Thursday, August 4, 2022 at 5:28:35 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Ok kids, my recent experiences with folks who never reply after the first 
> reach-out are starting to make me a little crazy. Ask for the shipping 
> price, make an offer, knock yourselves out, but after I answer the trick is 
> to tell me yay or nay. This used to be common but now I'm constantly being 
> ghosted by people who act like their email suddenly stopped working. 
>
> Is this a thing now? Am I just old and crotchety and need to get used to 
> ghosts?? 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>

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Re: [RBW] To My Platypus People!

[Ken Yokanovich]

Wondering the same as Tom. Trying to be patient and not interrupt the 
busyness at RBW World Headquarters... but... Coming up on almost 3 weeks 
without any indication of what's happening.  Sure would be nice to know 
something other than my "Your order is confirmed" 

On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 8:48:39 AM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Has anyone heard when they will start shipping out the non-prepped 
> frames?  I figured someone else might have made a call or asked.

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Re: [RBW] Chainstay dimples and kickstand kisses

[Ken Yokanovich]

I have a HubbuHubbuH tandem with a kickstand plate. I found that when I 
added the upper part of the "sandwich" that there was SUBSTANTIALLY more 
stability to the kickstand.  Loaded with panniers, I was convinced that the 
kickstand plate alone would have been torn off. YRMV

On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 6:20:00 AM UTC-6 Mark Roland wrote:

> Does installing the kickstand with the upper part of the "sandwich" confer 
> some benefit--maybe spreading the stress load a bit more? I thought having 
> a brazed on kickstand plate like Rivs (and this Surly) have eliminated the 
> need for that top clamp. 
>
> I agree the bike should be fine with those dimples. Long term, if the 
> paint was compromised, it may start to rust in that spot and eventually be 
> an issue. But even without attention, should last till most of us are no 
> longer concerned about it.
>
> On Monday, December 28, 2020 at 12:36:21 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> P.S. My Soma Saga came with a kickstand installed, and whoever built the 
>> bike (probably American Cyclery in SF) used thick rubber between the 
>> kickstand and the frame to prevent dimpling of the top of the chain stays 
>> (there’s a kickstand plate on the bottom).
>>
>>
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2020, at 8:27 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Iecently removed my Pletscher bipod kickstand and noticed some mutilation 
>> to my chainstays. Pictured below is my LHT, the kickstand was installed by 
>> the previous owner. The sight brought to mind Grant's warning on the 
>> kickstand hardware listing: "This is one of those terribly useful 
>> aftermarket problem solvers that can save the day or wreck your frame, 
>> depending on how you attach it." 
>>
>> Just how bad is this? Cause for concern or shall I carry on? 
>>
>> Thanks for your collective wisdom. 
>>
>> 
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[RBW] PSA: 55 Atlantis on Minneapolis Craigslist

[Ken Yokanovich]

Near new MIT 55cm Atlantis in the Minneapolis, MN area $1200 

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/wsh/bop/d/lake-elmo-rivendell-atlantis-55cm/7116094597.html

Talked to the seller who shared that it was built up, went for a couple of 
trial rides and he now wants to move on to a different project.  

[image: CL_Atlantis.jpg]

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[RBW] Tool for fender stays

[Ken Yokanovich]

I would recommend a Felco C7 cutter. Expensive, yes. Lifetime purchase: great 
for cutting brake and derailleur cables, housing, spokes

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[RBW] For salvage sale, Ibis Cousin IT tandem

[Ken Yokanovich]

Bummer- looks like a really cool tandem. Love my HubbuHubbuH and seems like a 
lot of trouble to consider buying a whole tandem just because I always wanted 
the Toe Jam pump peg and Hand Job cantilever brake holder. 

- cherishing my Uncle Fester Ibis tee shirt 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Ken Yokanovich]

Thank you. Metal fender installation is a labor of love. Conservative 
estimate would be that i have 6 hours to do the install. 2 of that would be 
in the fabrication of the spacer for under the fork crown.Getting the 
fore-aft angle just right and the profile to fit the fender.  This a 
combination of one of the final test fits and final product:

[image: Fender Bit.JPG]



I got a good a squat workout in from standing, squatting, installing, and 
removed my wheels so many times!  Tire and fender size were a nice match, 
ample clearance all around with zero rattling or movement.  The Rene Herse 
fender eyebolts 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop/components/fenders/classic-eyebolts/ 
make for a nice tight mount on the stays. Much nicer and warrant what seems 
like a lot of money for 4 bolts Of course the hours toiling over correct 
drilling location more than exceeds the material cost :D


On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 6:20:34 PM UTC-5, lambbo wrote:
>
> Wow, that's an incredible bike!  The fender line is on the verge of 
> poetic, so balanced and still. Did you install them yourself?  Also 
> impressed by the clarity of the bike, despite a big rear rack and a front 
> bag. 
>
> On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 6:08:02 PM UTC-4, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>>
>> My project stalled for a few days with a lack of motivation. My whole 
>> plan started with new found optimism and a plan to use up some bike part 
>> inventory and re-purpose some wheels. In hindsight, maybe I wish I had 
>> stuck to the plan and questioned my optimism?! 
>>
>> I finally turned sleepless nights into something productive over the last 
>> several days to complete the build and get out on a couple hour shakedown 
>> ride on my new orange 57cm Rivendell Joe Appaloosa. I wound up ordering a 
>> few more parts than I had intended - rear hub and brakes from Rivendell, 
>> fenders from Sim-Works.  It's an eclectic mix of old and new parts.  I was 
>> very pleased with initial results and am looking forward to more adventures 
>> together
>>
>> [image: Joe.JPG]
>>
>> Much geekery for those interested in some of the details could read about 
>> it here: 
>> https://reflectorcollector.blogspot.com/2020/03/so-i-named-it-miele.html
>>
>> Additional photos can be found over on Flikr https://flic.kr/s/aHsmM8MPDX
>>
>> Bill - hoping to read about how your project is coming along.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-6, Bill F wrote:
>>>
>>> Appaloosa presale is up today.   
>>>
>>> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Clem Smith JR. Build revealed!

[Ken Yokanovich]

Congratulations on a beautiful build. Well executed theme throughout with 
colors. Nice touch with the details; brass cable ferules, crimps, light, 
and headset spacers.

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 6:25:19 PM UTC-5, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Hey Bunch, I am excited to share my Clem Smith build with you all. This is 
> my third Rivendell which will complement my Sam Hillborne and a Joe 
> Appaloosa. My Sam is my go-to for all kinds of riding where my Appaloosa 
> serves as my traditional touring bike with racks and fenders.  The vision 
> for the Clem was to have it serve as an analog mountain bike as well as a 
> capable dirt tourer. 
>
>
> The build is modern and non-traditional in the Riv sense. This was not my 
> original plan but it sort of morphed into that. My first purchase for the 
> bike after the frame was a Son Widebody dynohub that I purchased here from 
> a fellow list member. The hub was black so I decided that I would make all 
> of the components black with a touch of gold. I had the Nitto R10 ceramic 
> coded in matte black along with the King cages, seatpost and lamp holder. 
> My good friends Candice and James at Analog cycles helped me with the 
> parts. As a result, a touch of Analog’s style and influence is evident in 
> the build. I also built the wheels myself. This was my first time building 
> wheels from start to finish. I want to thank Bryan from Utility Bicycles in 
> Kingston, NY for coaching me through that. I am super happy with how the 
> bike came out and especially proud because I did all of the work myself. 
> Not bad for a careerist with a desk job! 
>
>
> Link to a shared photo album below. For the true bike nerds among us I am 
> including the build details as well. 
>
> ·  
>
>  
>
> Clem Build Photos 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  ·   59 Clem H Frameset
>
> ·   Velocity Cliffhangers
>
> ·   White Industries MI5 Rear Hub
>
> ·   Son Widebody Dynohub
>
> ·   White Industries ENO crankset
>
> ·   White Industries 32 Tooth Single Ring
>
> ·   Connex 11 speed chain
>
> ·   Spank Pedals
>
> ·   Sunrace 11x50 rear cassette
>
> ·   SRAM Rival 1X rear derailleur
>
> ·   Paul Motolite brakes
>
> ·   Paul Love Levers
>
> ·   Paul Thumbies with Shimano DA shifter (friction)
>
> ·   Schmidt Edulux II headlight
>
> ·   Nitto R-10 Rear Rack
>
> ·   Brooks B17 Saddle
>
> ·   Nitto R83 seatpost
>
> ·   Nitto/Crust 31.8 stem
>
> ·   Jones H Bar
>
> ·   Oury Grips
>
> ·   Tanglefoot Peruvian Tape
>
> ·   Schwalbe Rocket Rons 2.25 
>
> ·   Swift Zeitgeist saddle bag
>
>  
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Ken Yokanovich]

Wow, looks great Bill. I have been accumulating various parts in anticipation. 
Hoping to get notice one of these days that my frame has been shipped.

Can’t help humming “Anticipation”
https://youtu.be/0IobpIKshr8

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[RBW] Re: FS: Frank Jones Sr. (51.5cm) (PBH 77.5-80.2)

[Ken Yokanovich]

I cannot believe that nobody had snapped this up! My Frank Jones is one of my 
favorite bikes, the one most likely to have been grabbed for any kind of ride 
last year. The Grilver with cream, custom headlugs, standard diameter tubing... 
oh my. Beautiful and sublime ride. 

Good luck with your sale.  I’m looking forward to ice free roads so that I can 
get out on mine again. 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoFnk-ODROj/?igshid=dpau5l2ea1p6

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Re: [RBW] Raid Bill's Stable: Nine bikes available For Sale

[Ken Yokanovich]

Seems like every time the irrational thought to sell a Rivendell strikes, I 
go for a ride and change my mind.  Not so much with other brands, in fact 
mostly the opposite. Good luck with sale or riding - whatever mood strikes 

On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 5:53:24 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> More updates:  I bought a couple parts here on the list for small tweaks 
> to my Roadeo and my Atlantis, so I'll declare that those two bikes are also 
> no longer for sale.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, February 14, 2020 at 11:51:33 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Update regarding the Sam Hillborne.  I rode it on my 40 mile hilly 
>> commute to the office this morning and I'm reconvinced that I radically 
>> underpriced it at $3k.  It's perfect.  I'm taking it off the market and 
>> putting it in the 'Not For Sale' pile.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 1:53:40 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll post photos of Sam Hillborne tonight.  It has some really great 
>>> details.  Here are a bunch of words on what is included
>>>
>>> Sam Hillborne frame and fork.  56cm Orange.  Purchased by me new from 
>>> Riv in December 2009
>>> Velo Orange Rinko Headset
>>>
>>> SON Deluxe front hub, White Industries MI5 Rear hub.  HED Belgium C2 
>>> Plus Rims.  Gravel King 700x38 semi knobbies.  9 speed 11-32 cassette
>>>
>>> Sugino Mighty 900 crankset (172.5mm arms, 22/32/42 rings).  Shimano 
>>> single sided SPDs.  Deore XT Rear Der (modified for Rinko).  Campagnolo 
>>> Mirage Front der.  Silver Stem Shifters.  
>>>
>>> Nitto Crystal Fellow Seatpost, Avocet O2 saddle.  Nitto Pearl stem.  
>>> Nitto Soba Noodle handlebars.  Dia Compe 980 brakes, Shimano 105 aero brake 
>>> levers.  
>>>
>>> Nitto Campee F27 front rack.  Ostrich Panniers.  SON Edeluxe 1 
>>> headlamp.  Velo Orange aluminum fenders, modified for Rinko.  SON Edeluxe 
>>> wiring with inline magnetic connectors to alternatively accept Sinewave 
>>> Revolution charger (included).  
>>>
>>> Ostrich Rinko bag, Bell, two King Cages
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 1:17:05 PM UTC-8, Ahmed Elgasseir 
>>> wrote:

 Wow!!! Impressive! I’m interested in the 56 Sam. Would you mind sending 
 me some pics?

 Thanks so much
 Ahmed

 On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 11:43 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> My stable is stocked with a whole bunch of sensational builds.  
> Executing sensational builds is maybe my favorite bicycle related 
> activity.  I've got another build (or two) on the horizon that I want to 
> do, and I'm able to do, but I just don't have the space to put them once 
> the builds are done.  These builds have a fair bit of overlap and 
> redundancy.  I love them all, but none of them is entirely indispensable. 
>  
> So, just in case somebody wants a slightly used spectacular build for 
> less 
> money and less waiting than a brand new one, then here's a pizza menu for 
> them.  Rather than make this a hugely long post with descriptions of 
> each, 
> I'll be super brief and list what it would cost to relieve me of any of 
> these great bikes.  All of them fit me perfectly for the application for 
> which they were built, and I'm 5'10" with a 75.5cm saddle height.
>
> 1. Turnkey 57cm Legolas Cyclocross Racing bike:  $4250
> 2. 59cm Roadeo complete:  $3500
> 3. Turnkey loaded touring build of a 56cm canti-Sam Hillborne (with 
> single TT): $3000
> 4. Monster-commuter, or Swiss-Army-Knife drop-bar, 56cm 650B MIT 
> Atlantis:  $2600
> 5. XC Racing carbon hardtail Niner Air9 mountain bike: $4500
> 6. Deluxe derailer-less two-speed custom Gunnar Crosshairs: $1600
> 7. Vintage Rossin 650B conversion road bike: $1000
> 8. Turnkey Eroica 1985 60cm Univega Gran Premio: $500
> 9. Rosco-Bubbe Road (blue lift-a-tube) complete: $950
> 10. Niner RLT9 650B Road Plus: $2600
>
> If anybody has any interest in one or more of the above, please let me 
> know.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Ken Yokanovich]

Okay, now getting even more excited. Must exercise tremendous self restraint in 
buying parts. Shall see how it reveals itself once in the stand.

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[RBW] WTB: White Industries ENO Eccentric

[Ken Yokanovich]

Thinking of building an upcoming Appaloosa into another single speed. Looking 
for 135mm silver eccentric rear hub. Ideally 32 hole. Not too interested in a 
whole wheel to save on shipping costs.

If you’ve got a spare, shoot me an offer. 

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Ken Yokanovich]

I had been saving and shopping for a replacement clothes dryer. Read the 
notice of the presale, hesitated for a brief moment, then made the 
decision. 

I think I’ll get by for a little longer WITHOUT the reliability of a new 
appliance. I’d much rather have a new bike. :D

On Sunday, January 26, 2020 at 1:04:09 PM UTC-6, Bill F wrote:
>
> Appaloosa presale is up today.   
>
> I pulled the trigger on a blue 60 cm for my first Rivendell.

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[RBW] WTB Rivendell Aussie Wool Balaclava

[Ken Yokanovich]

Hoping that someone out there might want to part with one of the Aussie 
Wool Balaclavas that Rivendell once sold? They were THE BEST balaclavas 
that money can buy.  I still have two, but one is getting pretty worn out 
and daily commuting in MN has me getting nervous for the day when I need a 
replacement.  I have tried a bunch of different styles from different 
brands, and nothing really compares to the fit, thickness, warmth, and 
comfort.  

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[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Bridgestone MB-2 + Bruce Gordon HMF

[Ken Yokanovich]

Fond memories of having owned one of these when working at a Bridgestone 
dealer at the time. GLWS

On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 12:52:28 AM UTC-6, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> BUMP, 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/albums/72157703630407114 
>
> … NOW, asking $350 for frame / fork / rack. 
>
> If you aren't into the Bruce Gordon "High Mount Front" / mountain 
> touring rack (see bottom of page: 
> http://www.bgcycles.com/new-page-14/) -- I am happy to substitute a 
> conventional BG front low rider. Or, just the frame/fork and no rack 
> for $225. 
>
> Thanks 
> =- Joe Bunik 
> Walnut Creek, CA 
>
>
> On 11/17/18, Joe Bunik > wrote: 
> > Hi BOB 
> > 
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/albums/72157703630407114 
> > 
> > Up for offer is a nice, largest-size 1989 MB-2 frame with a (NOS) 
> > Bruce Gordon "Rock 'N Road Expedition" 559 fork, and paired up with a 
> > BG HMF rack. These MB's are great climbers, and with the integrated 
> > front rack would make for an excellent adventure bike. 
> > 
> > Frame is in good condition, no dents or damage but some paint and 
> > decal wear. Fork has minor wear and tear from a lifetime of living in 
> > a box of forks.  Among unicrowns, the Gordon forks have an excellent 
> > bend and are very well made. Forged plate-dropouts, with HMF-specific 
> > rack bosses up top plus front/rear eyelets at the drops. The 
> > drive-side top rail of the rack has been expertly repaired by an 
> > experienced rack-builder (a new piece of tubing was internally 
> > sleeved-in), paint retouched w/ rattle-can black. 
> > 
> > Asking $425 + actual Bikeflights shipping; please let me know if you 
> > are interested or have any questions. 
> > 
> > Thanks for looking 
> > =- Joe Bunik 
> > Walnut Creek, CA 
> > 
>

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[RBW] Re: In praise of fixed mountain riding

[Ken Yokanovich]

Sharp looking bike. 

On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 10:40:26 AM UTC-6, 
LyleBogart{AT}gmail.com wrote:
>
> Mark, yes, there's something especially delightful about riding fixed 
> off-road! I've a Rawland Drakkar prototype fixed cyclocross that has 
> carried me through Maine woods trails a forest service roads, high desert 
> wilds of the Navajo reservation in Arizona, the old-growth of the Pacific 
> Northwest, and the hills of the west coast of Ireland... and many other 
> places besides. The simplicity and connectedness is one of the best things 
> about riding fixed anywhere, but especially on single track. 
>
> Cheers!
>
> lyle
>
> here're a couple pics of the ol' Rawland... :-) 
>
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 8:32:38 AM UTC-8, esoterica etc wrote:
>>
>> Just recently I built up an old 80’s RockHopper frame that had been 
>> relegated to the darkest corner of the garage into a fixed MTB. It had been 
>> a trusty geared commuter for a long time until some neer-do-well’ers 
>> decided to make it the object of their misplaced teenage angst. Both wheels 
>> were demolished and the rear derailleur and hanger was bent beyond repair 
>> (I tried). Pulled what salvageable parts there were, but just couldn’t get 
>> rid of the frame because of the memories, so away it went into the abyss. 
>>
>> Then as I started doing some recent fall cleaning, she whispered from the 
>> dank grotto where she had been languishing, “fix me up, kind sir, if you 
>> catch my drift.”   
>>
>> I then realized that I actually had all the spare parts to do her 
>> bidding, albeit parts that I never thought I’d have any use for, and parts 
>> that would eventually have been donated to the local bike co-op. I figured 
>> out what would be a good gear ratio for the trails around here, cobbled 
>> together a rideable mare and took to the nearest trail. 
>>
>> I have to say, after several weeks now, riding fixed on singletrack has 
>> been a revelation. It’s certainly a learning process in the beginning, but 
>> I actually feel much more a part of the trail and the forest than when I’m 
>> on my geared mountain bike (a 1985 MB-2 with a Jones loop bar - a really 
>> great bike). And once I get into the flow, I feel I am the trail and the 
>> forest. And I’m smiling a lot more too, because there’s something about 
>> riding fixed, especially through the wilds, that’s just fun and whimsical 
>> and makes me feel like a kid again. Now I know why Deacon Patrick is always 
>> wearing a grin in the pictures on his Hunqabeam. 
>>
>> So here’s my pitch to all of you who haven’t been bitten by the fixie bug 
>> yet, or who have been toying around with the idea- just go for it! I think 
>> a fixed bike is something every one of us should have in our stables. When 
>> I first got a fixed bike long, long ago, I used it to commute on, and I 
>> feel that it really helped me become a better rider. And nothing is better 
>> than a fixed bike when you have to ride in snow or ice. But this is the 
>> first time I’ve ever mountain biked fixed, and I feel like it’s improved my 
>> overall riding skills even more. 
>>
>> Anyways, thanks for lending an ear, and I’d be interested to hear from 
>> anyone else regarding their experiences with fixed riding, especially the 
>> MTB variety. All the best, 
>>
>> ~Mark
>
>

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[RBW] In praise of fixed mountain riding

[Ken Yokanovich]

Tried riding fixed off-road on a whim. I think it’s now been about 5 years 
since coasting on dirt. 2 full-time fixed off-road bikes with a third ready on 
deck, missing a few bits to complete. 
https://instagram.com/p/BoWsM0VjlJ3/

I REALLY love the extra challenges of rock gardens, obstacles, skinnies, etc. 
but fears of my own mortality keep me pretty well grounded. 

Seriously considering the thought of a Gus Boots Wilson

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58 Sam Hillborne, dark orange

[Ken Yokanovich]

Have a close friend that would like to buy, but hasn't been accepted to the 
group yet...  I sent PM, but it's hard to know for certain if it went 
through or not.  TC, please feel free to reply to me directly if you did 
not get the contact information first time around.   

This is my public outing that please, don't anyone else buy it :D 

On Thursday, September 27, 2018 at 7:11:47 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Hey folks, dropping the price to $1400 shipped, and including a pair of 
> new, never-mounted BG RnR blackwalls.
>
> On Friday, September 7, 2018 at 8:13:57 PM UTC-4, tc wrote:
>>
>> $1600 + my cost to have it professionally packed and shipped to you via 
>> bike flights.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Sale price does *not *include:
>> - Pedals
>> - Saddle
>>
>> I bought it new from Riv as a 'complete' in July of 2017.  You can see 
>> Riv's spec's for the complete drop bar build here:
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/sam-hillborne-complete-drop-bar (no 
>> more 58s at Riv, evidently, but build is the same).
>>
>> The only mod's I had done were to:
>> 1. Replace the 48 Noodle that comes with a 58 with a 46, and wrap with 
>> black cork tape+twine
>> 2.  Add a Pletscher kickstand.
>>
>> I put the original Kenda 38mm tires back on it.  They have about 50 mi on 
>> them.
>>
>> I just cleaned it up, and honestly, it looks brand new, except for a 
>> single very small 3mm scratch on the drive side seat stay, shown in one of 
>> the pic's.  No rust.  The paint and decals are pristine.  
>>
>> Pictures for the bike as offered for sale are here:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9uSUDtGvFpqdcgsdA
>>
>> Other pictures of it in various stages are here:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/9kfJxuf3sXyDyBoA3
>>
>> Thanks for looking,
>> Tom
>>
>

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[RBW] FS Dynamo Hub 36 Hole

[Ken Yokanovich]

Shutter Precision PV-8 silver 36 hole dynamo hub. Brand   new, never built.  
Just hub and little plug for light wire no skewer.  Nice little hub, I have one 
of these on another bike and really like it. Ordered this one by mistake a ways 
back and don’t really need. I would hate to have to buy another bike to build 
around it ;)

How’s $110 shipped sound?

https://instagram.com/p/BilGeu6HDZv/

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones SR build and second ride

[Ken Yokanovich]

Looks great, like when there is a cohesive theme to a bike.  Nice mix of 
old and new, good color match.  Look like the Compass Snoqualmie Pass 
tires? I bet the ride is superb.

On Monday, April 9, 2018 at 8:31:56 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> I decided, after the first ride, that the saddle and pedals were too 
> narrow. So I went big and ordered some blue Catalyst pedals and installed 
> one of my Brooks B68 saddles from the stash. After a mile or so of trying 
> to position my feet "correctly" on the Catalyst pedals, I decided to quit 
> thinking about it and let my feet do their thing and find their own 
> position. Ended up a little forward of my normal position on platform 
> pedals, but nowhere near the recommended position. I have short (for six 
> foot tall), very wide (8-1/2 ) feet and extremely high arches, one of 
> the reasons that I do not use clipless - nobody makes a shoe that fits 
> well. The pedals and saddle made a huge difference, now the bike disappears 
> beneath me, except for the lever position on the handle bars, maybe a 
> little too high - I'll save that for when I need to change the handlebar 
> tape (not anxious to try the harlequin wrap again). I really like single 
> speeds, of course, I do live in Florida.
>
> Frame: Rivendell Frank Jones SR - 57 cm Blue
> Wheels: Built by me. 36 spoke, NOS Campagnolo Record Hi-Lo hubset, 
> Euro-Asian track axle conversion, VO polished RAID rims, 700c 22 mm, 
> Wheelsmith DB SS spokes, 
>   Compass 38mm Batlow Pass TC Extralight Tan tires, Schwalbe Superlight 
> tubes
> Drivetrain: Single Speed, 45 x 18
>Crank: NOS Spidel 170 mm, NOS Sugino Mighty Comp drillium chainring, 
> Compass crank bolts, Shimano sealed BB
>Freewheel: White Industries
>Pedals: Catalyst, blue
> Brakes: Tektro R559, Gran Compe non-aero levers, VO braided housing
> Handlebars: Nitto Model 176, 440 mm, 26.0, Two tone blue harlequin pattern 
> - Newbaums tape
> Stem: Nitto lugged, 100 mm
> Seat Post: Nitto Lugged 27.2
> Saddle: Brooks B68, black
> Other: VO Retro water bottle cage
>
>
> 
>
> Laing
> Cocoa, FL
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr Finally "done"

[Ken Yokanovich]

Gosh, thank you.

The fenders on the Frank Jones were particularly difficult, I think I spent 
about 6 hours mounting them. There is less clearance under the fork crown 
than on the brake bridge.  I had some NOS Gran Compe 610 centerpull brakes 
that I originally intended to use. The brakes worked on the front, but 
could not reach on the back.  

Took some precision work with some blocks of wood and mallet to get the 
front fender dented just right to clear the fork crown and front brake.

For the rear, I trimmed down a stainless metal bracket that would normally 
clamp around the outside of the fender.  Cut a slot through the top of the 
fender and used some industrial adhesive.  Couple of photos before I 
mounted the rear:
Bottom Side: https://flic.kr/p/23atA9U
Top Side: https://flic.kr/p/25RAoSN





On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 9:19:26 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Mega-APPROVE.  You absolutely nailed the fender lines, which is not easy 
> on a single speed.  Phil hubs are useful on a singlespeed with fenders, 
> because you can take the axle bolts all the way out to drop the wheel 
> straight down.  That's a peach of a bike, right there.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, Ca
>
> On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 3:38:55 PM UTC-7, Ken Yokanovich wrote:
>>
>> Unmotivated by the weather here in MN, I recently took some time to 
>> finish up the the assembly on my Frank Jones. This project was going to 
>> take a back burner while I focused on the build for my daughters new 
>> Cheviot, but now that project has stalled for a bit.  With a recent order 
>> for some small things from Rivendell, I had enough parts laying around to 
>> finish the Frank Jones. 
>>
>> Build highlights: Phil Wood SLR hubs, Suntour Superbe Pro crank, NOS Gran 
>> Compe brakes, Compass Barlow Pass with Honjo fenders, fixed 41x17
>>
>> Temps in the 20's and more snow is in the forecast for this weekend, so 
>> plans for a long ride have been dashed. Based on some shorter rides, seems 
>> like this will be a worthy successor for my long lost Quickbeam.  Really 
>> looking forward to warmer weather soon to get out and ride.
>>
>> Photo is after shoveling on Monday, link to more photos including the 
>> obligatory "in front of white garage door" in Flikr gallery: 
>> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmfjKfP4
>>
>> <https://farm1.staticflickr.com/891/39473248760_6734498536_z.jpg>
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr Finally "done"

[Ken Yokanovich]

These wheels were "leftover summer" wheels from my previous Quickbeam.  
Phil Wood hubs have removable bolts that allow the wheel to drop straight 
down without disturbing the fenders.  They work quite well.  

On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 11:28:20 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> How do you remove the rear wheel to fix a flat with the fender like that?

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[RBW] Frank Jones Sr Finally "done"

[Ken Yokanovich]

Unmotivated by the weather here in MN, I recently took some time to finish 
up the the assembly on my Frank Jones. This project was going to take a 
back burner while I focused on the build for my daughters new Cheviot, but 
now that project has stalled for a bit.  With a recent order for some small 
things from Rivendell, I had enough parts laying around to finish the Frank 
Jones. 

Build highlights: Phil Wood SLR hubs, Suntour Superbe Pro crank, NOS Gran 
Compe brakes, Compass Barlow Pass with Honjo fenders, fixed 41x17

Temps in the 20's and more snow is in the forecast for this weekend, so 
plans for a long ride have been dashed. Based on some shorter rides, seems 
like this will be a worthy successor for my long lost Quickbeam.  Really 
looking forward to warmer weather soon to get out and ride.

Photo is after shoveling on Monday, link to more photos including the 
obligatory "in front of white garage door" in Flikr gallery: 
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmfjKfP4



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[RBW] Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains

[Ken Yokanovich]

Try transporting a HubbuHubbuH sometime;)

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[RBW] FS: Shimano XTR Rear Derailleur - RD-M900 - $50 Shipped CONUS

[Ken Yokanovich]

No reply from seller to PM, presume sold?

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[RBW] Re: What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Ken Yokanovich]

 In the stable have: Custom- 700c all-rounder, Custom Road, Atlantis, 
HubbuHubbuH, and a custom Curt Goodrich Rohloff that emulates the 
all-rounder. 

I was just working in my home bike shop doing some cleaning and organizing. 
Came across a completed Rivendell Custom order form, with check attached!  
What I was looking for was a combination of the Roadeo and my beloved 
departed Quickbeam.  Something with clearance for about a 700x33-35 tire 
with fender, single speed, lighter weight tubing. I know it's wrong to 
design a bike around a specific part; but I have 2 pair of the old DiaCompe 
NGC450 center-pull brakes NOS that I would love to use for braze-on.  I'm 
in love with the custom head lugs, so would have held out for the custom.  
Fortunately; just got word that my Frank Jones has shipped and should 
arrive next week, along with a Cheviot for my daughter.

Thinking I should be busy for a while; but seem to always have a severe 
case of N+1

On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 2:21:26 AM UTC-6, drew wrote:
>
> It’s late and I’ve been inspired by lum gim fongs Willy nilly topic 
> creation.  I’ve owned 2 sams,  a hunq, Clem and Atlantis. Down to just an 
> Atlantis now and pretty happy. I’ve been thinking about what kind of model 
> would get me to buy a new rivendell again. So I pose the same question to 
> you all. (Let’s eliminate the things they won’t do, like low trail and disc 
> brakes) 
>
> For me, it’d be a Roadini with clearances for 
> 2.1 tires or a canti cheviot. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Hubbuhubbuh with drop bars?

[Ken Yokanovich]

>From the perspective of a HubbuHubbuH owner, drop bar preferrer, upright 
bar skeptic.

I've got a couple of other bikes set up with Albatross bars, tried 
different flavors of mustache bars on different bikes over the years. I've 
never found myself comfortable for more than an hour and downright 
uncomfortable for anything longer than about 50 miles or 3-hours.  I have 
an older Trek T200 that I have ridden with both drop bars, and most 
recently setup with Albatross and it's *okay*, never been an 
extraordinarily comfortable bike for me, despite it's similar fit 
dimensions to other single bikes.

When I ordered the HHH, I figured... "what the heck" and started with the 
upright Bosco bar thinking I would someday convert to drops if I hated it.  
I have to honestly say, I think I REALLY like the upright bars on the 
HubbuHubbuH.  I took a long tour this summer on it with my two daughters 
and spent MANY hours in the saddle and didn't ever experience any hand 
and/or arm discomfort, I was shocked.  My biggest anxiety prior to the trip 
was concern that I'd get down the road on something like day 2 and *hate *the 
handlebar...  This stuck in my head prior to leaving, even more than the 
concerns I had about heading off for a week fully loaded with my daughters.

The geometry images http://hubbuhubbuh.tumblr.com/ may not be the final 
geometry(?), but do indicate LONG top tube reach designed for an upright 
bar.  Maybe one of those dimensions would fit with your sweet spot.I 
realize that my experience and upright bar proselytizing may not convince 
you to drop a big chunk of money on something you don't like. I will offer 
this, if you find yourself in the Twin Cities area... contact me off list 
and I'd be happy to make arrangements so that you can go for a test ride on my 
size Medium .

On Thursday, January 11, 2018 at 10:52:49 AM UTC-6, Harald Kliems wrote:
>
> Hi everyone:
> This is my first post in the group -- some of you may recognize my name 
> from the iBOB or 650B lists, though. I am not yet an RBW Owner. But I am in 
> the market for a tandem, and the HHH seems like a wonderful option. The 
> only major concern I have: Will I be able to set it up with drop bars? My 
> goal here is not to make it racier or something like that; it's just that 
> my wrists do not get along with anything that's not a drop bar. I was 
> wondering if anyone here has set up their HHH with drop bars and how they 
> like it. Looking at the geometry charts, I don't see any obvious issues (I 
> am 6'5" and therefore the larger reach of drop bars may actually be a 
> positive). But I'm by no means a tandem expert and I'd be curious to hear 
> some first-hand experiences. Or well-informed opinions. 
> Thanks,
>  Harald in Madison (WI)
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB 60 Quickbeam or SimpleOne

[Ken Yokanovich]

Wow, that's a nice looking bike and a very attractive price. I'd be tempted 
if I hadn't managed to score one of the pending FJ's.  I wonder if the 
seller and/or Rivelo might work for shipping?

On Thursday, December 21, 2017 at 3:20:57 PM UTC-6, Birdman wrote:
>
> There’s a 60cm simpleone for sale on Portland craigslist: 
>
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/rivendell-simpleone-60cm-950/6431958599.html
>  
>
> I have no relationship with the seller, just a PSA

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[RBW] Re: Uphill Winds and Downhill Winds

[Ken Yokanovich]

2008 8 hours and only 80 miles into an extremely windy TransIowa V4 was 
defining moment in accepting that wind just blows; enjoy the ride.  
https://youtu.be/IsqecpfCA64

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 4:17:47 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I realize I no longer think of winds as head or tail, but up or 
> down. Riding fixed does change things is subtle yet significant ways. Grin.
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/uphill-winds-and-downhill-winds
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Ken Yokanovich]

Anxiously awaiting any announcement.  Finger exercises and stretching for 
quick-click reaction time so I can buy one as a LONG awaited replacement 
for my dearly departed Quickbeam. 

On Tuesday, December 19, 2017 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>
> The real question is - will we see more about the Frank today?
>

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[Ken Yokanovich]

Dibs on one of the 59z in Grilver, no other questions asked, no hesitation. 
Take my money please. 

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Big Back Rack & Brooks Select Flyer

[Ken Yokanovich]

The saddle was listed by the seller on eBay instead 
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F192348479141
 

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[RBW] FS: Nitto Big Back Rack & Brooks Select Flyer

[Ken Yokanovich]

I am interested in the saddle if not otherwise spoken for. 

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[RBW] Who's ridden a Steamroller and can compare to the Quickbeam?

[Ken Yokanovich]

I used some leftover wheels from my Quickbeam and built up a Creamroller about 
8 years ago. Not a huge fan and will strip it back down to sell off frame, 
fork, and front brake. 

Not much clearance, not very practical without fender boss, and too heavy duty 
steel tubing to give it just a kind of blah feel makes for a combination that 
just isn’t worth it to me. 

Hoping to replace its spot in the stable with a new Rivendell custom version of 
a SS-Roadeoish-beam

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[RBW] HubbuHubbuH - First Loaded Tour

[Ken Yokanovich]

In hindsight, it may not have been the best conceived plan but I am a firm 
believer that a bit of naïvety makes for a good bicycle adventure. An open 
mind, willingness to go-with-the-flow, sometimes a series of weird events 
comes together to make for interesting life experiences.

Quick string of events leading up to the "accidental" purchase of a 
HubbuHubbuH tandem: 

   - 17 year old daughter tears ACL second time
   - Cancel snowboard/ski trip to Whistler. (Role reversal - daughter skis, 
   46 year-old dad snowboards.)
   - Impromptu replacement vacation March west-coast road-trip places 
   father and daughter in Walnut Creek 
   - Daughter - Dad best favoritist tandem combo ever takes HubbuHubbuH out 
   for test ride - hooked and instantly regret having not been on pre-order.
   - Place name on "list" for "if there is ever a second run of tandems, 
   I'd be interested."
   - Email to contact Dave at Rivendell that there are a few tandem frames 
   available
   - Call, talk briefly with Dave - how could I *not* order one?

Before ordering the Rivendell, I'd rationalized how good we had it with our 
old steel Abatrossed Trek T200. My next bike was going to be another 
Rivendell custom to replace my beloved and dearly departed Quickbeam. I've 
got parts on the shelf waiting for just the right inspiration, but none of 
it really what I wanted to use on the tandem. My first foray into 584 
wheels, I had so little I could use, I've had to spread the wealth among 
various bike shops near and far.  It's been a bit of a scramble to put the 
HubbuHubbuH together. Once road-worthy, it's been the bike I've ridden most 
this year.  LOTS of good miles, ice-cream runs, laughs, and wandering,  
What a blessing to have a 17 year old daughter that WANTS to spend time 
with dad, wants to cruise around.


In a separate and closely related life thread - my 20 year old daughter 
FINALLY discovered that she likes to ride a bike. Likes to ride enough to 
ask dad if maybe his telling of 30 years of RAGBRAI stories warranted 
giving it a shot.  Time to create something more than the 
dumpster-find-become college get-around bike... Queue up another new bike 
purchase and build.


With the older sister interested, so much saddle time on the new tandem, 
one thing led to another and so this was the year.  This was the year that 
the kids were FINALLY going to join dad on his annual trip to Iowa. 
Somehow, perhaps by obscuring details, over-selling how much fun it'd be... 
I managed to convince both girls that the only way to truly experience the 
*fun* was to do as I have for the last 20 years or so... pack up and ride 
TO Iowa first, join in the folly of the ride across the state for a few 
days, then turn back north to get back to Minnesota. Maybe my trying to 
convince them was equal part trying to convince myself that heading off on 
an upright-barred cruiser tandem was a good idea...  Fully loaded on a 
tandem with a kid with arthritis and a torn ACL, what could *possibly* go 
wrong!?


Skip to conclusion... aggressive mileage plans were adjusted. 6 days of 
riding together, everyone still gets along and there's talk of "next year"


The HubbuHubbuH is an amazing bike, I have amazing and patient friends, and 
I have even more amazing kids.


Some photos compliments of my good friend Scott who joined in the fun: 
https://photos.app.goo.gl/aFk8SBsJMTZNkCpU2 




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[RBW] Re: In praise of Spur-cycles bells

[Ken Yokanovich]

My eldest daughter was generous enough to have purchased a Spur Cycle bell 
for me for Christmas. It's a special bell in many ways; MUSA, aesthetically 
attractive, well made, sounds amazing, and was a gift from one of my 
favorite people in the world.  It deserved a special bike, which turned out 
to be the HubbuHubbuH tandem that I enjoy riding with my other daughter.  
Since it is a tandem that begs to be ridden whimsically with two sets of 
bars, we've adorned it with 4 bells.  The Spur Cycle, the Crane Clone, a 
Crane Jingler, and a cheapy New Belgium brewing jingler.  All four are fun, 
but the Spur Cycle is the best one of the lot


On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 8:08:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Crane bells are super cool and very classy.  It's great they are made in 
> Japan, and I love them.  
>
> BUT
>
> Spur Cycle bells are by far the nicest bike bell I've ever seen.  I bought 
> one from Ocean Air Cycles, because Rob Perks is the man, and I was blown 
> away at how nice this bell in.  It's loud and pure and never makes a peep 
> unless you want it to.  I just picked up a second one from a tiny Berkeley 
> Bike Boutique, just because they had it on the shelf, and I like buying 
> local.  Spur Cycle bells are MUSA and they kick butt.  $50 for a bell may 
> seem perverse to frugal riders, but when you can get the very best anything 
> for $50, that's something.  
>
> https://www.spurcycle.com/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Re: Help with touring route suggestions leaving Seattle, WA

[Ken Yokanovich]

I don't have much to add, but will be watching intently for what others 
might have to share.  I "work" in the Seattle area, live in MN, and travel 
to the area every couple weeks.  I have brought my S coupled Atlantis 
back and forth quite a few times, but now just keep a bike there for my 
primary mode of transport.  I keep thinking that I should book a trip out 
so that I can find a bit more time to enjoy a long weekend ride while in 
the area. 

On Friday, June 2, 2017 at 12:50:44 PM UTC-5, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> My wife and I are celebrating our 15th anniversary this summer and have 
> decided to drop our kids off with the grandparents so we can do some 
> bicycle touring.  We are seriously considering shipping our bikes from 
> Arlington, Virginia to a friend of ours in Seattle and heading out for 3-4 
> days of riding.  We're novices when it comes to touring but have done some 
> shorter overnights around the DC area.r
>
> I've started googling route options for the area but it's a little 
> overwhelming, so I figured the group could point me in the right direction. 
>  Can anyone familiar with the area provide some suggestions for a route 
> either leaving Seattle or starting within a reasonable distance by public 
> transit, and making a loop returning 3-4 days later?  My wife does not want 
> to camp so I was thinking of an inn to inn ride.  We may be flexible on the 
> camping thing I would just need to bring more stuff.  I was thinking 40-60 
> miles a day considering we are flatlanders, so depending on the elevation 
> mileage may decrease.  Trip would be taking place the last week of June or 
> first week of July (I know, not a lot of time to plan). I wouldn't mind 
> incorporating some off road trials as long as it's not to technical.  
>
> Riv content: we plan on riding our Sam Hillborne and Cheviot.
>
> Thanks,
> Ryan
> Arlington, VA
>

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[RBW] Re: Transporting a fendered tandem

[Ken Yokanovich]

So many things about this photo that I love.Cool car, cool tandem.  Thanks 
for sharing.

On Thursday, April 20, 2017 at 12:51:03 AM UTC-5, Nick Payne wrote:
>
>
> 
>
>
> This is what we used for many years until we sold this car. I made the 
> carrier using about $20 of timber. It's a piece of dressed 100mmx30mm long 
> enough for the wheels to sit on, with pieces of 30x30 screwed on each side 
> at each end to form slots for the wheels to sit in. A couple of galvanized 
> u-bolts hold it onto the roofrack cross members. We would lift the bike on 
> and then the stoker would stand on the rear bumper and hold it upright 
> while I lashed it down to each side from ropes that went around the 
> handlebar stem. Additional ropes went fore and aft from the bottom brackets 
> to prevent the bike moving forwards and backwards. With a bit of practice I 
> could get it on by myself without needing any assistance.
>
> It only took a couple of minutes to get the tandem on or off the rack, and 
> we have driven right across Australia (5000km) and many shorter trips at 
> highway speed with the bike up there. I've looked at the tandem topper rack 
> on a friend's vehicle and thought that our setup was much more stable than 
> theirs.
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: New seat cluster lug

[Ken Yokanovich]

Photo as part of their Instagram feed for those of you hadn't found it.
https://www.instagram.com/rivbike/

Seems like a clever and "universal" design that would allow for a lot of 
flexibility in seat stay angles with a single lug.  I would guess that it 
will show up on a lot of future bikes.

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 9:16:04 AM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> I'm surprised no one has mentioned it here already.  The latest Blug shows 
> a photo of a new seat cluster lug that looks pretty cool to me.  No mention 
> on which bike(s) it is intended for but my guess is the Roadini.  Seems Riv 
> is always good with putting out little teasers on things to come.
>

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[RBW] Re: Wife asked me to go on a 2 week bike tour, help!!

[Ken Yokanovich]

I went on a tour with my wife once... I carried most everything leaving 
only a lightly packed set of rear panniers for her.  I carefully scouted 
maps and planned out a nice route for a week.

The tour concluded somewhere along the planned route on day 4 when she 
threw her bike in a ditch and refused to go any further.

She did pay me the highest of compliments at one point on the tour though 
when she looked me straight in the eye and said "You are one sick f.." She 
is not the type to use expletives, but the way she said it, so matter of 
fact...I was honored.  We're going on 20 years of marriage and one of the 
secrets must be to never bring up going on a bike tour together again :D

I wish you luck!

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 2:21:20 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> A few years back I built up a new bike for my wife as a surprise. It was a 
> Surly Cross Check with Jack brown 33.3 tires, Nitto Albatross bars, a small 
> wald basket, ladies Brook's B17, etc. Very classy build. Black frame, all 
> silver parts. I was hoping a nice, well fitting comfortable bike would 
> promote more riding together, which it has to a degree. We've done a few 
> longer rides together and last summer did our first overnighter, which she 
> loved. She's always said that long distance touring probably isn't her 
> thing, but after we've completed a couple motorcycle tours and backcountry 
> hiking trips together it seems she's developed the urge to transition to 
> bicycles... maybe all my cycling adventures have inspired some 
> self-propelled wanderlust too, who knows. 
>
> Point is, we're sitting on the couch earlier in the week and she says "I 
> want to take two weeks off next summer and go on a cycling tour with you".
>
> I felt like I was electrocuted! That's basically my dream. 
>
> So here's my questions. I'm well aware of the fact that what I like to do 
> on a tour isn't what a lot of other people would like to do. I look for 
> single track and dirt roads, don't mind rough terrain and not showering for 
> a week. I like doing 100-200km in a day. I love the idea of spending five 
> hours climbing a mountain and then screaming down the other side as fast as 
> I can possibly go. 
>
> If we did that, I don't think she'd ever tour with me again... 
>
> For those of you who've toured with your spouse, or with friends who 
> aren't as nutty as you in general, what worked? What advice do you have for 
> daily distance, elevation, road surface, etc? I know this will be highly 
> individual and vary widely based on personal preferences, age, appetite for 
> adventure, budgets, etc. For reference, my wife Cindy has done some 100km 
> rides and enjoyed them, but I think that would be a bit much for day after 
> day mileage. She likes gravel roads, but not trails. Enjoys hiking up 
> mountains, but is nervous to attempt cycling up one. She's always been hard 
> on the brakes all the way down any hill, but she's since acquired her 
> motorcycle license, so all that 100km/h time in the saddle is sure to help 
> alleviate the fear of speed. 
>
>
> Thus far the best idea we've come up with together is going to 
> Newfoundland and touring the western edge. It's a 450km one-way ride that 
> crosses Gros Morne National Park, where we would stop to hike for a day or 
> two. 450km isn't enough distance for 2 weeks in my opinion. I'd like 
> something closer to 750. That way we can have some 100km days, some 30km 
> days, a few rest days, etc. So maybe doing this 450km route plus something 
> extra. Camping mostly, with a hostel/B every 4-5 days to stay fresh, 
> mentally and physically. I think it'd have a nice mix of rolling coastal 
> roads with light traffic, no high-mountain passes but still some climbing, 
> and some good spots to stop for a day.
>
> Any advice is welcomed!
>

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Re: [RBW] Rohloff IGH Questions

[Ken Yokanovich]

That would be my Goodrich with Rohloff # 5841.  I have had the hub for 
about 12 years, gosh knows how many trouble free miles. The hub itself has 
been through heck and back, several 24 hour solo mountain bike races 
(different bike, ) two unsuccessful attempts at Trans Iowa, many a winter 
rides, toured, generally been ridden anywhere and in about every condition. 
 The hub itself started its life as a non disk brake version, but I had it 
converted by by Thomas of Rohloff 10 years ago.  At that time, he replaced 
the seals on it as the EARLY hubs were prone to some seeping of the oil.

I had Curt build the bike modeled with similar geometry to my Rivendell 
custom (that he also built.)  The hub is great that all of the indexing and 
shifting is contained within the hub itself, nothing special needed by the 
shifter other than the ability to pull two opposing cables.  When it came 
time for the shifter on the bike, I pitched the idea that I just wanted a 
big-ol-knob, like an old stereo.  He had it made with a press-fit sealed 
cartridge bearing and it is mounted to a standard shift lever boss. 

Curt was great to work with and was gracious enough to let me take the bike 
with only primer for several months to make certain everything worked as 
desired.  My kids painted it for me.

In the years since, the bike has been pretty flawless.  I can't really tell 
the difference in drag/resistance between the Rohoff and any of my other 
bikes.  It is GREAT for touring, particularly on rollers where you just 
shift up or down and don't worry about when to shift the front derailleur 
vs back.  It really is like a 14 speed singlespeed.  I grabbed a few photos 
I had around from rides, etc...

https://flic.kr/s/aHsknRBZy8

Now, onto completing the Rivendell custom order form I just printed 
muwahhahaha.

On Monday, November 2, 2015 at 8:17:57 PM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Ouch, over $300 just for the shifters.
>
> Imagine that is why Rohloff sticks with the grip shifters.  Probably quite 
> complicated piece of kit.
>
> Five years ago (former Riv customs builder) Curt Goodrich came up with a 
> Rohloff shifter that could be brazed on a down tube.  He called it Das 
> Knob.   Never heard anything 
> further about it.  Not sure if that means I and presumably whoever bought 
> the bike were the only people who thought it a cool idea or it did not work 
> well.
>

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[RBW] Re: Amazing bike video

[Ken Yokanovich]

Seems that riding with flat pedals does not seem to hamper his riding 
abilities either.

On Thursday, October 2, 2014 9:43:08 PM UTC-5, Mark Taintor wrote:

 Some of you have, no doubt, seen other Danny Macaskill videos. He's an 
 amazing rider that can do some incredible stunts. In this one, he's riding 
 on the Isle of Skye in The Cuillin. Wonderful photography, terrific 
 production values, beautiful scenery, amazing riding.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ_IQS3VKjA

 Enjoy,
 Mark



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[RBW] Re: My hat's off to you gravel riders...

[Ken Yokanovich]

Someday I will print up some teeshirts that say The gravel is always 
smoother on the other side.

Michael had some great advice when he suggested hanging onto the bars 
loosely.  Very much a let the bike go where it wants to and make subtle 
corrections when the opportunity presents itself.  Relax, look for one of 
the 2 or 3 lines that tend to form toward the middle of the road where cars 
travel.  Sometimes there can be a smoother line toward the edge, it all 
depends upon how well the county does on grading.  

Freshly spread rock or a recently graded road can be unpleasant, but 
generally only for a few miles.  Conditions can vary widely for different 
road, the time of year, and weather. I rode with a good friend on a tour 
from Minnesota to Iowa for a few days and back again.  We took the 
opportunity to ride gravel on a number of occasions for a couple of hundred 
miles.  In the western part of Iowa, the gravel is very loose almost sandy 
and it was difficult to sometimes pick a good line, particularly in the 
dark.

Even with fully-loaded touring bikes, there is something almost magical 
that happens once you can get up to a certain speed.  The bike just sorta 
rolls over the top and things almost feel like they get easier?  Watching 
someone else in front of you bounce around on the road, particularly on a 
fast decent can be a little intimidating.  Out front, unable to see the 
rocks flying off a back wheel or the bike bounce around somehow is more 
confidence inspiring.

I love riding the gravel roads... the unpredictable conditions, the 
interesting challenge that requires some concentration.  The narrower more 
intimate feel of being near the farm fields and rural areas.  Having a 
level of comfort and confidence riding gravel opens up a whole new network 
of roads to explore.

Have fun and share the adventure...

On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:54:08 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

 Today I went to check out a new run of MUP they are doing on my wife's 
 route to work. We ride together, and it is fun.
 Anyway, I went down to the new bridge and MUP sections they are soon to 
 complete (hopefully). One section was still all gravel, and since I didn't 
 go down it before, I was curious to see how and where it will connect to 
 the existing MUP.

 I took off down it and, wow, I don't know how you gravelly riders stay on 
 your bike on that stuff. Loose egg/palm sized gravel rocks were kicking my 
 back wheel sideways at times, and having me bouncing all over - wide 
 tires or no.

 Maybe you guys who gravel grind do it on hard packed flattish stuff. But 
 the loose stuff/large rocks had me wondering how you guys get anywhere on 
 the stuff. I'll be the first to admit I have zero experience with 
 offroad/gravel riding. I was trying to pick lines on some almost packed 
 looking areas, but it was really tough to stay on the bike and go more than 
 2 miles an hour or so. This is a new project they are doing an maybe the 
 gravel just hasn't been own long enough to get packed enough to ride on it.

 Got any tips?


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[RBW] Re: Packing SS-coupled Riv - Tips, Tools Gears to make it easier?

[Ken Yokanovich]

Lynne gave some good advice...

I have a 61cm Atlantis that I have traveled with only a couple of times. I 
can get bike without fenders, into the hard-case without too much trouble 
and no need to remove fork or bars from stem.  My crank arms use 
self-extracting 6mm bolts and have pedals that also use 6mm wrench.  I pack 
my Nitto rear rack in my luggage with all of my clothes packed around it 
and use a single pannier for a carry on.  Everything else bike related goes 
in the SS case.  I do pack the special SS coupler wrench.  My regular 
toolkit includes full-sized 4,5,6mm hex wrenches and covers everything I 
need. 

I think one of the things I like best about having SS couplers on a bike 
is that in normal everyday mode (fenders and racks) I can easily split the 
bike in two with everything else fully installed and fit in a smaller car 
without too much trouble.





On Sunday, September 7, 2014 10:39:00 PM UTC-5, Pierre wrote:

 Hello Bunch, SS-coupled Riv owners:

 I am getting my 59 cm Hilsen retrofitted with SS couplers. It's not a 
 gigantic frame but not exactly a small frame either. I already anticipate a 
 couple of issues and would like a couple of tips.

 1/ Handlebar: is there such thing out there as a quill stem w/ removable 
 front plate? is it worthwhile to investigate threadless adapter + ahead 
 stem?

 2/ Fork: (not sure yet if I'll need to remove it) anybody tried the the 
 Velo Orange rinko headset? (or have a spare American Classic Trilock?)

 Anything things you've learned over the years to make packing/un-packing 
 easy? Or add. tools/gears?

 Thank you.

 Pierre



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[RBW] Re: All Rounder available - help me before it disappears

[Ken Yokanovich]

As others have said, the price seems high and given your PBH measurement it 
sounds like it might be too small.  If you are prepared to spend that kind 
of coin, I would recommend that you work with the good folks at Rivendell 
 to help set you up with the best combination of bike for the budget in the 
right size.  

If you should decide that 59 is your size and you have your heart set on a 
custom, there was a Goodrich built custom for sale here on the list not too 
far back $1,675 shipped.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/oih_BiG3yP0/DreZ5TKLPRMJ  
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/oih_BiG3yP0/DreZ5TKLPRMJ I 
would suspect that the frame is still for sale, there's an add for the same 
frame/fork still on Minneapolis Craigslist.  

On Monday, September 1, 2014 10:10:22 AM UTC-5, L. J. Charlton wrote:

 I was perusing the bikes for sale at Mt. Airy bikes (DC area) and 
 unexpectedly came across this:  
 http://bike123.com/used_bikes/used_sbikesview.php?ID=3804

 I've been longing for a Riv but haven't seen one that said, Buy me. 
  This does.  But I have two questions before I give them a call:

 1.  Solely from talking to other bike shops it seems the proprietor has a 
 reputation over-pricing his used bikes.  With the understanding that 
 various regions and markets value bikes differently, what would be a 
 reasonable price for a 1995 All Rounder on the east coast?

 2.  I can't for the life of me find a sizing chart for the All Rounder.  I 
 have a 59 PBH.  Reading this http://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=41, 
 which is very general, indicates that I could fit a 59cm but it would be on 
 the small side.  Any help with sizing would be appreciated.

 Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

 Larry  


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Re: [RBW] New Trek 10lb. Road Bike with lifetime warranty.

[Ken Yokanovich]

At one point, I had a 17.5 pound Trek carbon fiber wonder-bike. Once I got 
past the wow, is this thing ever light! it was uninspiring to ride.  I 
experienced a problem that required a brand new warranty replacement that 
hung in my shop for over a year un-built due to lack of inspiration.  I 
eventually sold it and used the money for the order of my first Rivendell 
custom which is my absolute favorite bike EVER.  If I were to buy the Trek, 
I would likely be professionally sized for a 56cm. I've never been more 
comfortable than on my 60cm custom :) 

With $15k, I think I'd be on the phone to Rivendell ordering up a Roadeo or 
another custom.  

Dreams are free.

On Tuesday, July 1, 2014 5:03:12 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:

 On 07/01/2014 05:45 PM, lungimsam wrote: 
  They said its the best riding road bike they have ever made. Far out. 
  Lifetime warranty.: 
  
 http://www.trekbikes.com/us/en/bikes/road/performance_race/emonda/emonda_slr_10_h1/?utm_source=bm23utm_medium=emailutm_term=10.25+pounds+of+pure+performanceutm_content=Introducing+the+lightest+production+road+line+ever%3A+Meet+%C3%89mondautm_campaign=20140701%3A+Consumer+Emonda+Launch+US
  
  

 cheap at twice the price...   ;-) 




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Re: [RBW] How do I straighten my Brooks saddle nose?

[Ken Yokanovich]

I don't think that this is a Michael problem.  I have several Brooks 
saddles, the two black ones have worn unevenly.  Interestingly, one sags 
more on the left and the other more on the right.  Brown saddles from 
approximately same era (and more saddle time) have not worn the same.  I 
have unscientifically attributed it to the dye and will not be purchasing 
any more black saddles.  I have aspirations and my eye on a Brooks Select 
in hopes that it will wear longer.

On Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:44:07 AM UTC-5, LAP57 wrote:

 Could this be you?  If several saddles have done the exact same thing 
 could it be that you are not symmetrical and the saddle is just breaking 
 into fit the way you are?  I know that I do not set square on the bike and 
 I actually need to point the nose of the saddle slightly to the left of 
 center to be comfortable.  I have not had the same issue you are seeing and 
 I know that the quality of these saddles is not what is was 10 years ago.  
 But they are leather and they do break in to fit the rider.  If the rails 
 are straight then maybe it is you.  Have someone ride behind you and see if 
 they can see how you sit, if your back is straight and hips parallel.  If 
 not it is no big deal other then helping to explain how your bike need to 
 be adjusted to fit you. 

 Larry Powers 
  
 Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain


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 To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:
 Subject: [RBW] How do I straighten my Brooks saddle nose?

 It has about a year of riding on it. Never got wet.
 Needs Proofhide?
 Adjustment bolt tightening?

 When I bought it, it had a slight curve to the nose, and I didn't want to 
 make a fuss and return it, but now I think it is getting worse and rubbing 
 my right thigh. Otherwise this has been a great saddle.

 What is it with Brooks? I think I have bought 5 in the last few years, and 
 I think three have had either a curved nose, or the rivets aren't 
 symmetrical, or the adjustment bolt is crooked.



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[RBW] Re: Cable End Soldering

[Ken Yokanovich]

I have been using 56% silver and compatible flux to solder the ends of my 
stainless steal cables. It works pretty well, but the silver does tarnish 
somewhat after time. Here is a quick/crummy iPhone photo, 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31359238@N06/11721719064/

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:42:10 PM UTC-6, Tom Virgil wrote:

 So I don't like cable ends with ferrules that have nasty looking plier 
 pinch marks on them.  In the old days, I would size the cable, cut it, dip 
 the end in a solder pot, wait until temperatures equalized, and the cable 
 ends picked up the solder by capillary action.  And leave it at that. No 
 pinched ferrules and a very clean cable end.

 Anyone as persnickety as me?

 Tom


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[RBW] Re: Atlantis Redo

[Ken Yokanovich]

Thank you for the compliments Hugh

I had started down the path of having someone else do the paint.  Naively 
inspired by a reflection on a middle school experience of painting a shop 
class project I figured that I would give it a shot.  I put about $150 into 
materials and countless hours labor.

I had Arkel make some khaki colored panniers several years ago. I am 
hopeful that the final finished project will look rather smart with my 
Nitto front and rear racks from Rivendell. 

On Friday, December 6, 2013 1:34:22 AM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:

 Ken,

 Very impressed with your paint skills...I decided to have someone more 
 competent than I to do the paint  braze on work...supposed to get it back 
 in a week or two. Since I purchased the Atlantis used and am paying for the 
 braze on work plus the paint and all new parts I'll have to wait on a Phi 
 Wood wheel set gotta save for that. Which on your bike with the stainless 
 fenders looks absolutely awesome. Well done. I'll enjoy the pics when they 
 come with all the racks and bags.

 ~Hugh

 On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:12:53 PM UTC-8, Ken Yokanovich wrote:

 Sometimes projects drag on a bit longer than desired. This one started in 
 July and the whole assembly and final parts selection is still in process. 
  Impatient, I threw on some parts so that I could get it out during the 
 Thanksgiving weekend for a bit of a ride.  Glad I did because the weather 
 has now turned to full winter, 0 degrees right now and a good amount of 
 snow on the ground.

 I had Eric Noren at Peacock Groove add a kickstand plate and mid-fork 
 braze-ons in early July. I also had him face the dropouts and all of the 
 braze-ons with stainless washers. Realizing that I had precious little time 
 to get a paint job on it in time for a late July tour, I gave it a REALLY 
 ugly rattle can paint job at the time so that I could go on RAGBRAI.

 Over the period of August and up until Thanksgiving I took my time and 
 attempted to do a better job with the paint. I have a much greater 
 appreciation for just how difficult it is to paint a bicycle!  I had high 
 aspirations for fancy paint work and contrasting headtube. Reality sunk in 
 quickly and I justified the single-color decision.  I figured that by the 
 time I get racks, fenders, and all the parts mounted there will be enough 
 going on that one color might be best anyhow. :)

 2 coats of primer, 3 base coat, and several clear. Enough clear over the 
 decals to make them almost smooth with the surface of the paint.   I ran 
 out of paint and then out of clear... My outdoor paint booth was subject to 
 occasional moisture issues and had very limited hours of operation as the 
 days grew shorter this fall.  Then cooler temperatures complicated the 
 difficulty of getting the clear to flow out smoothly. I ordered my paint 
 through AutomotiveTouchup based on the color of an automobile. The color 
 didn't turn out 100% the way I had envisioned.  I was hoping for more of a 
 black-cherry color, but the red-color only shows up in the sunlight.  Other 
 times and lighting it almost looks like a green or blue.

 Lots of sanding, wet sanding, then polish to get me to the point where I 
 am quite pleased with the results. Pics or it doesn't exist, right...? 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/31359238@N06/sets/72157638215050844/ 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/31359238@N06/sets/72157638215050844/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Redo

[Ken Yokanovich]

Eric, I know I have run into you on Como Ave, and if that was where you saw 
your dedicated Rivendell rider, it may have been none other than Curt 
Goodrich.  I know I used to catch him quite often and chat on our way home 
along Como.  

I have taken a different job consulting and miss my riding!

On Friday, December 6, 2013 5:55:03 AM UTC-6, EricP wrote:

 Ken,
 Nice job!  Going to keep my eyes open for that one around town next 
 spring.  Love the color.  

 BTW, some of the folks are more dedicated than others.  Saw someone 
 commuting home yesterday on the snow and ice packed roads on a custom 
 Rivendell.  Didn't look like he had studded tires on, either.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN


 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 1:34 AM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com javascript:
  wrote:

 Ken,

 Very impressed with your paint skills...I decided to have someone more 
 competent than I to do the paint  braze on work...supposed to get it back 
 in a week or two. Since I purchased the Atlantis used and am paying for the 
 braze on work plus the paint and all new parts I'll have to wait on a Phi 
 Wood wheel set gotta save for that. Which on your bike with the stainless 
 fenders looks absolutely awesome. Well done. I'll enjoy the pics when they 
 come with all the racks and bags.

 ~Hugh


 On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:12:53 PM UTC-8, Ken Yokanovich wrote:

 Sometimes projects drag on a bit longer than desired. This one started 
 in July and the whole assembly and final parts selection is still in 
 process.  Impatient, I threw on some parts so that I could get it out 
 during the Thanksgiving weekend for a bit of a ride.  Glad I did because 
 the weather has now turned to full winter, 0 degrees right now and a good 
 amount of snow on the ground.

 I had Eric Noren at Peacock Groove add a kickstand plate and mid-fork 
 braze-ons in early July. I also had him face the dropouts and all of the 
 braze-ons with stainless washers. Realizing that I had precious little time 
 to get a paint job on it in time for a late July tour, I gave it a REALLY 
 ugly rattle can paint job at the time so that I could go on RAGBRAI.

 Over the period of August and up until Thanksgiving I took my time and 
 attempted to do a better job with the paint. I have a much greater 
 appreciation for just how difficult it is to paint a bicycle!  I had high 
 aspirations for fancy paint work and contrasting headtube. Reality sunk in 
 quickly and I justified the single-color decision.  I figured that by the 
 time I get racks, fenders, and all the parts mounted there will be enough 
 going on that one color might be best anyhow. :)

 2 coats of primer, 3 base coat, and several clear. Enough clear over the 
 decals to make them almost smooth with the surface of the paint.   I ran 
 out of paint and then out of clear... My outdoor paint booth was subject to 
 occasional moisture issues and had very limited hours of operation as the 
 days grew shorter this fall.  Then cooler temperatures complicated the 
 difficulty of getting the clear to flow out smoothly. I ordered my paint 
 through AutomotiveTouchup based on the color of an automobile. The color 
 didn't turn out 100% the way I had envisioned.  I was hoping for more of a 
 black-cherry color, but the red-color only shows up in the sunlight.  Other 
 times and lighting it almost looks like a green or blue.

 Lots of sanding, wet sanding, then polish to get me to the point where I 
 am quite pleased with the results. Pics or it doesn't exist, right...? 

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/31359238@N06/sets/72157638215050844/ 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/31359238@N06/sets/72157638215050844/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis Redo

[Ken Yokanovich]

The mounts for fenders and racks seem to always take abuse and be the start of 
corrosion. I had the idea and Eric took it and ran. :)  

The Atlantis is a 61 and packs well into the SS hard case. It can be a bit of 
a pain, but it is niceto be able to bring a bike. More importantly, it does 
facilitate getting a bike with fenders and racks into a small hatchback if 
needed. 

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[RBW] Atlantis Redo

[Ken Yokanovich]

Sometimes projects drag on a bit longer than desired. This one started in 
July and the whole assembly and final parts selection is still in process. 
 Impatient, I threw on some parts so that I could get it out during the 
Thanksgiving weekend for a bit of a ride.  Glad I did because the weather 
has now turned to full winter, 0 degrees right now and a good amount of 
snow on the ground.

I had Eric Noren at Peacock Groove add a kickstand plate and mid-fork 
braze-ons in early July. I also had him face the dropouts and all of the 
braze-ons with stainless washers. Realizing that I had precious little time 
to get a paint job on it in time for a late July tour, I gave it a REALLY 
ugly rattle can paint job at the time so that I could go on RAGBRAI.

Over the period of August and up until Thanksgiving I took my time and 
attempted to do a better job with the paint. I have a much greater 
appreciation for just how difficult it is to paint a bicycle!  I had high 
aspirations for fancy paint work and contrasting headtube. Reality sunk in 
quickly and I justified the single-color decision.  I figured that by the 
time I get racks, fenders, and all the parts mounted there will be enough 
going on that one color might be best anyhow. :)

2 coats of primer, 3 base coat, and several clear. Enough clear over the 
decals to make them almost smooth with the surface of the paint.   I ran 
out of paint and then out of clear... My outdoor paint booth was subject to 
occasional moisture issues and had very limited hours of operation as the 
days grew shorter this fall.  Then cooler temperatures complicated the 
difficulty of getting the clear to flow out smoothly. I ordered my paint 
through AutomotiveTouchup based on the color of an automobile. The color 
didn't turn out 100% the way I had envisioned.  I was hoping for more of a 
black-cherry color, but the red-color only shows up in the sunlight.  Other 
times and lighting it almost looks like a green or blue.

Lots of sanding, wet sanding, then polish to get me to the point where I am 
quite pleased with the results. Pics or it doesn't exist, right...? 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/31359238@N06/sets/72157638215050844/ 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/31359238@N06/sets/72157638215050844/

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Re: [RBW] Re: The Search Continues

[Ken Yokanovich]

Heard the story on the radio on my way to work.  Made me think of my 6 
years where I worked in a very large distribution facility.  During that 
time, I met and worked with a lot of very interesting people.  I worked 2nd 
shift mostly, rode my bike to and from work...  I worked there because I 
wanted to make a living working at a bike shop during the day, but couldn't 
make ends meet.  I did manage to land a job working at a Bridgestone dealer 
and continued working at the shop for almost 15 years, during which time my 
appreciation for Rivendell and practical cycles made more and more sense. 
 I finally gave up working at the shop because it wasn't worth my time, nor 
could I get excited about most of the new production bicycles and 
components there were to offer.

I too occasionally dream about the next new perfect product, but more often 
about the perfect ride.  The perfect narrow stretch of gravel, a quiet 
county road, watching the sun come up.  The sun on my back, breeze through 
my hair, the sites, the sounds, the places to go, the adventure, the 
discovery of a road that I've never ridden, a destinationless departure. 
 Finding that Dead End doesn't always mean that you cannot get through on 
a bike.  Being in the country alone, riding through the dark, the stars.  I 
love a good ride in the rain...  It IS time for bed 

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 7:41:52 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Speaking of immediate satisfaction consisting of instant 
 gratification, this article was featured on NPR this morning, and is a 
 good read: http://www.thenation.com/article/177377/holiday-crush 

 NPR: 
 http://www.npr.org/2013/12/05/248934817/temporary-worker-writes-about-belly-of-the-online-shopping-beast
  

 On 12/5/13, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: 
  Brian I agree that tire is out there somewhere...just waiting for some 
  engineer to develop a materiel that's more flexible and lighter than 
  Kevlar. 
  
  Chris, our desire for immediate satisfaction will make it happen. 
  
  Will, give it time and it will be feasible who'd a thought we'd have 
 drone 
  other than Sci-Fi writers. 
  
  Ryan  Bill, yep it sure is...when the hell is my Atlantis gonna get 
  painted and back to me. Ga! 
  
  ~Hugh 
  
  On Tuesday, December 3, 2013 10:14:09 PM UTC-8, stonehog wrote: 
  
  I think there is a tire that is both supple, light, and flat resistant. 
   Just hasn’t been invented or engineered yet, but it’s coming.  I also 
  think the Amazon hover-delivery is going to be “normal” someday - 
 whether 
  
  to deliver emergency medical supplies, or a needed bike part at 
 midnight. 
  
   I can’t wait. 
  
  I also can’t wait for the perfect light, flexible, perfect trail for 
  rear-bag and front basket and frame bag frame that has beautiful lugs, 
  paint, name, font, feel bike for my commute, rando rides, and off road 
  meanders.  I’m guessing it will be a Riv or variant.  Can’t freakin’ 
  wait! 
  
  For now, I’ll continue to enjoy my Gran Bois, Clement, Schwalbe, Jack 
  Browns, occasional flats, and my waterfront rides on my 
  Hunqa/Hilsen/Miyata. 
  
  Brian Hanson 
  Seattle, WA 
  www.stonehog.com 
  
  
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[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?

[Ken Yokanovich]

I miss my Orange series Quickbeam and would love to be able to replace it!

Things I would change, though would not be a deal-killer;
Rear Dropouts; Forward facing horizontal, something along the lines of a 
long Campy 1010 without a derailleur hanger.  Forward facing because it may 
facilitate easier wheel removal with fenders mounted. Aesthetically, they 
might be more pleasing than the big steel plates that were used :)

Keep:
Geometry, drop bars, single top tube, cantilever brake mounts.

I like the name SimpleOne more than Quickbeam perhaps because I don't 
consider myself very quick and prefer to have a simple bike. No need for 
4-speed, flip/flop, two chainring setup.  A single ring up front would be 
fine for me... I was very much a fixed gear, seasonal gear changer and have 
no need nor desire for on the road gear switch.  Even with one mechanical 
ratio, there are always 3 options; Sit, Stand, and walk :)


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[RBW] Re: speaking of the blug... new Atlas rim

[Ken Yokanovich]

Looks like you can get the noBS version for about half the price.  
http://velocity-dev.com/index.php/product/rims/nobs-700c

Looks like the premium price on the Atlas is for the finish work.

On Friday, April 19, 2013 10:24:20 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:

 They sure look nice, but the $107 price tag (to me) is way over the top... 
  There are many great alternatives for MUCH less $...
 What's so special about these rims to justify a price over $100 ??? 

 BB



 On Thursday, April 18, 2013 9:54:58 PM UTC-4, Mike Schiller wrote:

 Grant mentioned the new beefy touring Atlas rim again, to be made by 
 Velocity right here in the USA. This time I detected a tone like it was 
 already a reality.
 Checked the Velocity website and it is now listed in 26, 650B and 700C. 
   http://velocity-dev.com/index.php/product/rims/atlas-584
 Wide at 25.4 and beefy at 590 gms for the 650B size.   
 should be a great rim for big knobbies and heavy duty touring.

 ~mike



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[RBW] Re: A very cool, riv-ish bike computer/bell

[Ken Yokanovich]

Boy, if it could mount on the fork, didn't have to deal with a wireless 
sensor, omitted the bell it might be just about right.  IF, I were to ever 
go the bike computer on the bike route again, I'd long for 
the equivalent of the ol' Sachs Huret belt drive unit that I had when I was 
a kid.

On Sunday, June 17, 2012 4:44:51 PM UTC-5, ekoral wrote:

 i thought if anyone would appreciate this new concept computer, it would 
 be you guys. It looks like it has a speedometer, trip and overall odometer, 
 as well as a BELL! 

 i love this thing and i can't wait until it's a reality (if ever). 
 check it out guys!

 eli

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[RBW] Re: Rivs on RAGBRAI

[Ken Yokanovich]

I wore my Rivendell hat proudly, sported my Rivendell PA panniers, a basket, 
Noodle bar, leather seat, lugged stem, but alas... did not ride any of my 
Rivendells.  I packed in a hurry on a Saturday afternoon and left on Sunday 
morning.  No time to fit my Atlantis with lights.

My plan included wrappin up the week with a gravel century in central Iowa 
called the Guitar Ted Death Ride Invitational and this was the bike I wanted 
to ride.  This week of touring included many firsts for my, worthy of a full 
write-up. The bike was great, proved to be amazingly versatile, fabulously 
comfortable, and is a favorite on the gravel.  It wasn't designed with the 
purpose of touring, but managed okay, similar to the way that my custom 
All-Rounder handles the load.. a bit noodley. The Atlantis will most 
certainly be the bike of choice for future touring adventures.

I don't have many photos, here's one of the bike loaded on my way north on 
Friday evening to connect up for the Saturday morning gravel adventure.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-N0uy2H_GAEE/TjWsq39HBKI/DLc/x6be1qcyyPw/IMG_1106%25255B1%25255D.JPG

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Re: [RBW] Re: wow

[Ken Yokanovich]

James, you could order a custom Rivendell and spec it with 135mm horizontal 
dropouts.  I did that with my custom all-rounder.  Every once in a while, I 
swap out all the parts to make it a single. However, I like your idea... so 
much so, I came up with something to satisfy that itch: Linky Link 
Herehttps://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/nXuN66kJSzz3S2PEL7_FTvMBAjJUZQgF-xk9kziULzA?feat=directlink

It was fitting that when it came time for paint, I picked a color very 
similar to a little something else that I once 
ownedhttps://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/qbmN1Ts3bXYrAVrgZ3UWaHBgLnVGES9vehe6mIZPLwA?feat=directlink.
 
 I miss the simplicity of my old Quickbeam and find myself drawn to the idea 
of a Simple One.

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B17 others FS

[Ken Yokanovich]

I will purchase the Brooks if it is still available.  Paypal okay? or
how would you like payment.  Happy to send personal check if desired.

On May 22, 9:25 am, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote:
 Hi,
 Before I list these on Ebay, you may be interested:

 B-17 Champion, Very nice condition, was used. Leather feels good. $90 - 
 shipped USPS Priority Post

 Turbo Saddle, new production saddle, very little use - $35 - shipped USPS 
 Priority Post

 Fizik Antares, in very good shape - $60 - shipped USPS Priority Post

 WTB MTB saddle, in very good shape - $40 - shipped USPS Priority Post

 Photos:  
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/jamespatrickvaliensi/sets/72157626653737...

 Thank you,

 James Valiensi, PE
 Northridge, CA
 H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796

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[RBW] Re: Speaking of the garage sale,

[Ken Yokanovich]

It does look like some good stuff, but I imagine that they wound up
with a lot of it due to picky unhappy customers in some variety or
another.  I used to manage operations at catalog retailer at one point
in my life and we offered grab bags of product at different price
points.  Amazingly, they sold very well and there were very low
returns even though we were willing to accept them.

It'd be kind of fun to buy a $50 grab bag of bike stuff from the
garage sale just to see what one might wind up with.  I think it'd be
fun to drop by for the sale and a bike ride to boot.

On Sep 27, 8:27 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Maybe once, just once, one time for all of us who arent in the WC RBW
 WHQ vicinity, they could do a virtual garage sale. Too much of a
 pain?  Maybe, but come onjust one time. Riv is an internet/mail
 order business, right? We are its internet/ mail order customers,
 right? (said in the nicest, most pleading way possible-- basically
 begging).

 There just looks to be so much good mysterious stuff in all those
 piles.

 Cheers!
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[RBW] Re: simpleone sample

[Ken Yokanovich]

Hmm, curious minds want to know. Your wife went from trying to get you
a bike frame to a weekend travel bag?  What did you do wrong? :)

On Sep 22, 9:41 pm, A D deguzman.al...@gmail.com wrote:
 Just found out that my wife tried to pick it up for me for my birthday
 last week.  I got a weekend travel bag instead.

 She knows my quest for a 58cm Quickbeam well.

 On Sep 22, 7:29 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:



  it's a hair too small for me, or i'd be all over it.  literally.  

  On Sep 22, 2010, at 7:23 PM, jandrews_nyc wrote:

   the one on frame specials page of the Riv site..
   Why is it still available?...
   like, what's wrong with it?

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[RBW] Re: WTB 1994 Bridgestone MB-1

[Ken Yokanovich]

Micheal, I know that it's not THE answer that you are looking for AND
it would be A LOT more expensive, but you could contact Rivendell and
have a new custom made in the STYLE of an MB-1.  You could get one of
the new Pacenti fork crowns up front, some really fantastic
craftsmanship, and a bicycle designed just for you.  It might seem a
bit extravagant for an off-roader, but boy... Sure would be a fun
project.

On Sep 15, 2:17 am, Michael Williams mkernanwilli...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Anyone out there have a 1994 MB-1 they want to sell. I know its a long
 shot, but giving it a try. 22or 23 frame, whatever was the largest
 that year. Thanks, Mike

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[RBW] Re: accidentally perfect - now what?

[Ken Yokanovich]

On Sep 19, 8:52 pm, Beth H periwinkle...@yahoo.com wrote:
 (What, don't any of you just sit and stare at your bike or frame now
and then?)

Actually, quite often.  I will often admire the subtle differences in
the lugs.  I guess that makes me a SERIOUS but proud bike geek.

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[RBW] Re: Renovelo Frames

[Ken Yokanovich]

Agreed, good thing it's too small, not my color, and I am too portly.
'cause man, I dig that frame...

On Aug 20, 12:17 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 And the sweet green single speed has now been 
 posted:http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/renovelo-frames/40-029

 Not my size -- a good thing for my wallet.

 jim m

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[RBW] Re: The ultimate compact double (IMO)

[Ken Yokanovich]

Mmmm... One of my favorite too:

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ERHZNVa-XX-neo3i3i0T1w?feat=directlink

I am saving my NOS Gilles Berthoud Rebelle 94/58 double in a 172.5 for
a very special project someday :)


On Aug 19, 1:13 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 OK, well it's my favorite compact double that I've used.  The Sugino
 made Ritchey Logic 5-arm 94/58 bolt circle crankset is super strong,
 super stiff, nice and light, very low Q, and you can go all the way
 down to a 22 with a triple and a 29 with a double.  These are
 especially good for me, because I run 172.5mm arms on all my bikes
 which these sometimes are available in.

 I saw this set on ebay, being sold by one of my favorite ebay sellers,
 in the 100x more rare length of 177.5!  One of you tall folks could
 run these with a 29/46 and an 11-32 in back and you'd be all set.

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=330460694179ssPag...

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[RBW] Re: Grant doesn't TOTALLY discount the value of TT length

[Ken Yokanovich]

I think the whole idea of top tube length not mattering might be a
bit controversial because it seems SO EMPHASIZED in the rest of the
bicycle industry as THE KEY MEASURE of bicycle fit.  Sales and
marketing teams have gotten lazy with trying to explain how compact
frame designs designated as S,M,L, XL with a two foot seat mast will
fit.  It's easy to say bicycle fit comes down to one key metric.  When
I worked in a shop, I heard the suggestion from customers and industry
people all the time; size people based on top tube length or better
yet, virtual top tube.

Sometimes best understand things by analogy.  If we look at the
clothing industry, clothes may come in a size: Small, Medium, 6, 32,
etc. Some pants might be sized only by waist, other by inseam and
waist. Other garments might be assigned S,M,L and yet others by chest,
neck, arm, etc.  There's no guarantee though that based on one of
these measurements, certainly not by any ONE measurement that the
garment will fit.  Heck, furthering the analogy, there's no guarantee
that even given ALL of the measurements one could tell how well
something fits.

I marvel at the ability for some people to take ingredients together
to come up with a finished product.  It's magic; an artist painting, a
chef cooking a meal, a tailor making clothes.  We can all see the raw
materials and visualize the process to come up with the finished
product, but it really takes the artist and/or craftsman to do it
exceedingly well. It's more than just following the recipe and
assembling the ingredients, more than the science and the
measurements... To me, frame design is amazing and Grant at Rivendell
is one of the best artisans there is, or at least... I really dig his
style :)

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[RBW] Re: Root beer Rambouillet

[Ken Yokanovich]

I'm with you William, the ebaY can be rough on the emotions.  I
subscribe to the put your top bid in and hope it's enough.  BUT, that
still leaves me wondering if I am just slightly outbid.  I ponder the
question of perhaps the other bidder was willing to only pay a couple
of bucks more than I bid?

I know the seller and he has some very nice bicycles and one of the
greatest people I know to boot! I know that he really likes the
Rambouillet, this is his second. I don't think it would be too much if
I out him a little and say that he was never really wild about the
orange on the first one, thought he would try a little something
different on the second.  The bicycle looks really sharp in person,
particularly when built up with silver components.  The single color
really looks sharp.  The powder is a bit thicker so the shorelines of
the lugs aren't quite as crisp as what you get with wet paint.   But,
you do gain the durability of the finish and Spectrum does probably
the best job with powder in the business.

I think if it were not for a really unique opportunity to pick
something else up, he would likely hang on to the bike.  I am certain
that the winning bidder will ultimately be very pleased with the bike.
Don't worry, there are still a couple of Rivendells in the
collection.  In fact, I think it was the Blériot that warmed his heart
to the whole 650b world.  Good luck with your bidding William, just
over a day until we'll know if you are the winner!

On Aug 9, 6:36 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Scott and Steve

 You are both right.  The stress is really based on wanting the thing
 and wanting it for the price I want it for.  Sure, if somebody wanted
 that Rambu so badly that they bid $4000 for it, I would on one level
 be fine with that, but on another, you're still bummed you couldn't
 have it at your price.  I'll make sure my real max is in there when it
 needs to be in there.  Thanks

 On Aug 9, 3:54 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote:



  Redundant question, Steve...

  that's what I am saying [only exception being: known fact that most
  bidding on high-end/desirable goods on The Bay happen in the last 20
  seconds... so again, know your Max-Bid, program it in for the
  recommended 6 second protocol, walk away, enjoy life, and then check
  it after the fact].

  Re: the last 20 seconds...

  Recently sold a very high-end 18 bass drum on The Bay.  It was a 0.99
  cent auction [let the market decide and all that... but very risky on
  my behalf as a seller], 7 day auction, bass drum was stalled at
  $199.99 for 6 of those days [not good on my end]... final day, 30
  seconds to go, each time I hit Refresh on my browser to watch my day
  get better [or much, much, worse], the bidding popped from 3 bids
  @199.99 to 17 bids and a final of $1034.00.

  -Scott

  On Aug 9, 2:59 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

   On Mon, 2010-08-09 at 14:51 -0700, S.Cutshall wrote:
Hope you win, but let me add please...

I can never quite understand the eBay Refresh-n-Stress method of
bidding.  Recently I've won a coupla things on The Bay, and even more
recently I've sold [and am selling] a metric poop-ton of high end
drums  cymbals... and it seems to me that it's logical to approach
these sorts of things with two thoughts:

1.  Know your limit, your budget, what you are willing to go to... and
then that's that.

And then...

2.  Just use something like 'Snipe It' [which is a legal eBay bidding
device].

And really, that's it.

PS-  You can read more about 'Snipe It' here [and download it too, if
interested]...

   https://www.myibay.com/

   How would this be an improvement over simply bidding as much as you are
   actually willing to pay in the first place?

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[RBW] Re: what a difference a cm makes

[Ken Yokanovich]

A centimeter can make a huge difference.  YEARS ago (20?), I was
assisted with fit on my bicycles. During that fit procedure, my saddle
was RAISED a saddle.  For the first several rides it felt terrible as
things got stretched out a bit and I began using different muscles.
BUT, eventually it did feel better.  Had the recommendation to raise
my saddle not come from someone with so much experience and a paid
fitting, I might have thought to move the saddle back to where I had
it.

It's tough to get SOME people to consider making a change in their
positioning. I see a lot of people with saddles too high, seats
covered with saddle covers and complaining about comfort despite the
rocking and grinding of hips into a saddle.  I also see people
plodding along with saddles too low complaining of knee pain.
Approaching the topic of making a recommendation for change can be
delicate.

As for my own bicycles, I do as others and set saddle height based on
measurement.  I have two different pairs of cycling shoes and have to
change the saddle height a couple of millimeters to compensate for
riding in my sandals if I am going to do a long ride.

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[RBW] Re: Who's riding RAGBRAI?

[Ken Yokanovich]

Thanks for the support, compliments.  No monster, I'd much prefer the
saddle and handlebar of a bike for 10 hours a day than my office chair
and a keyboard.

This was the 15th or 16th year of having done similar trips.  Many
have been longer, some shorter. I'd like to take longer trips, but
time is a constraint.  I would have liked to wrap up the rest of the
week of RAGBRAI and come home up the river.

One of my favorite moments on the trip was a stop out in the middle of
nowhere.  No cars, nothing but a light cool morning breeze and the
birds.  I sat down in the grass for a while to rest and could have
easily taken a nap.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/4qxHwitk6FxBcRzwmijshw?feat=directlink

The basket up front was one of my favorite features.  I used it to dry
my laundry, hold my map, hold an extra beverage (or several.)  I met
up with some friends and became known as the bar bike.  On one
particular day, we were riding late in the day and people were handing
up free 32 ounce bottles of sports drink.  I became the holding area
for my fellow riders:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/2pMFDXvURkm9OwhAH5cUeQ?feat=directlink

The next morning, I carried two jars of pickles, a jar of garlic
stuffed olives, two bottles of bloody mary mix, and the fresh celery
in the basket.  One of my riding partners (also riding self contained)
carried the 25 pound bag of ice.  We then had a little morning treat
for 10 with breakfast at the FarmBoys stop about 10 miles out of Clear
Lake.

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[RBW] Re: A supposedly fun thing I'll never do again...

[Ken Yokanovich]

Looks like an awesome ride. Jealous, we don't have any long climbs
around here in the midwest, though I do enjoy some good rollers.

On Aug 2, 6:59 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 ... Larch Mountain on my Quickbeam from my house in Portland. About 80
 or so miles round trip. The 14 mile climb up to Larch Mountain went by
 smoothly enough for the first 10 miles but the last 4 miles were
 rough, much tougher than anticipated. Still, I managed and got to take
 in some great views from Sherrard Pt. at the summit. I'll probably
 ride up there once more before the end of summer but doubt I'll do it
 on the Quickbeam.

 Here are some photos:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335...@n00/sets/72157624516053177/

 --mike

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[RBW] Re: Who's riding RAGBRAI?

[Ken Yokanovich]

I saw and briefly met Kelly on his very handsome and stylish
Quickbeam. Spotted another Atlantis and a few Rambouillet.  Had a
fantastic tour on my Atlantis.  Managed to ride from Faribault, MN to
Sioux City, IA to join in the fun of RAGBRAI for 4 days, then rode
back home.  Finished up 761 miles in 8 days of riding.  The Atlantis
was set up with Nitto racks front and rear, Arkel bags all around and
a Wald basket zip tied up front for miscellaneous.

For those of you curious, the bike without bags but with racks,
fenders, and basket = 42 pounds.  Empty bags added another 9 pounds.
I traveled with 36 pounds of clothing, food, tent, sleeping bag,
sleeping pad, tools, etc.  Total loaded bicycle = 87 pounds plus
another 180 pounds of rider.  My days were
Faribault, MN to Saint James, MN 100
Paullina, IA 137
Sioux City, IA 85
Storm Lake, IA 70
Algona, IA 81
Clear Lake, IA 62
Charles City, IA 54
Roseville, MN 172



On Jul 21, 3:05 pm, Kelly kingtw...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm getting packed up for the drive out to Iowa and thought I'd ask,
 who's ridingRagbrai?  This will be my first time ridingRagbrai, and
 I'm very excited.   I'll be riding my orange Quickbeam, and this seems
 the best year to do it.  The main two gearing combinations I'll be
 using are 40 x 15 and 32 x 15.  I'll also have the 32 x 18 on the flip
 side if I really need it the last day.

 Who else is ridingRagbrai?   I'm hoping to see quite a few Rivendells
 on the ride.  Any last minute suggestions from veteranRagbrairiders?
 Thanks, and I'll see you on the route!

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[RBW] Re: Who's riding RAGBRAI?

[Ken Yokanovich]

I have my Atlantis packed up with front and rear panniers, heading out
the door in the morning on the ride to Sioux City.  I think I'd be
hard to miss on a loaded down banana yellow Atlantis... This will be
my 25th year of doing it in one form or another, 15th previous times
traveling self-contained.

Advice:
Eat plenty of home made pie
Try a grilled Iowa chop from Pork Chop Man
Pastafari serves up a fine grilled salmon
Almost anything is an acceptable breakfast food
Try doing a naked beer slide if you get the chance
Always stop for free beer
The destination isn't nearly as enjoyable as the journey
Have fun!

On Jul 21, 3:05 pm, Kelly kingtw...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm getting packed up for the drive out to Iowa and thought I'd ask,
 who's riding Ragbrai?  This will be my first time riding Ragbrai, and
 I'm very excited.   I'll be riding my orange Quickbeam, and this seems
 the best year to do it.  The main two gearing combinations I'll be
 using are 40 x 15 and 32 x 15.  I'll also have the 32 x 18 on the flip
 side if I really need it the last day.

 Who else is riding Ragbrai?   I'm hoping to see quite a few Rivendells
 on the ride.  Any last minute suggestions from veteran Ragbrai riders?
 Thanks, and I'll see you on the route!

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[RBW] Re: new (to me) Riv LongLow

[Ken Yokanovich]

Nice!  Perhaps I will see you somewhere between Sioux City, IA and
about Charles City, IA.  Will be riding my Atlantis self supported
from the Twin Cities.  Leaving sometime next Thursday.  Indeed,
RAGBRAI should be fun!

On Jul 11, 10:04 pm, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote:
 59 cm -- very recently acquired from the original owner. Built in 1999
 by Joe Starck; paint by Joe Bell. Lovely, nimble, smooth ride (no
 surprise there). I've got two weeks for final tweaks to the set-up
 before taking it on RAGBRAI (http://ragbrai.com/). Should be fun!

 A few pics taken during today's ride (only the second one on this
 bike):http://gallery.me.com/ftmeyer#100095

 -- Forrest (Iowa City)

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[RBW] Re: double-top-tube hillborne sighted in wild

[Ken Yokanovich]

Looks like it is missing down tube shifter mounts.  For me, it might
be a big deal as I really like the simplicity of down tube shifters.
I do run bar end shifters on my Atlantis, but both custom Rivendells
are down tube shifters.

On Jun 30, 10:28 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:
 Okay, it's a contest. There's no prize for being first, no shame in
 never finishing. A no drop contest, if you will.

 Does anyone notice what's missing from the frameset?

 (The missing thing would be probably be obvious if I were a better
 photographer and had produced fewer pictures to look through. But, one
 works with what one has at hand.)

 I'm on the fence as to how I feel about it. How would you feel?

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

 On Jun 30, 10:18 am, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
 wrote:



  60

  On Jun 30, 10:17 am, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com wrote:

   is that a 56 or 60?- Hide quoted text -

  - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Interesting, may be useful Suginol crank for some of us.

[Ken Yokanovich]

Wow, looks like an interesting product,  the English page has their
product info too
http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/ox801d_main_english.htm

'twood be the perfect drive mechanism for a Roadeo

On Jun 10, 11:58 am, RonLau ron...@ronlau.com wrote:
 http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/ox801d_main_japan.htm

 http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=jau=http://www.sugino...

 If you look towards the bottom where it describe chain ring size, it
 can come with

 52T-36T

 50T-34T

 48T-34T / 48T-32T

 46T-36T / 46T-34T / 46T-32T / 46T-30T

 Q factor reports as 145mm, same as a Shimano double, low enough for
 me.
 Price is not cheap, close to $400.  That is not ideal.  But if you
 look at other cranks out there, not too bad.

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[RBW] Re: mounting Nitto M-12 front rack on a very long fork

[Ken Yokanovich]

You could install a 1 star nut from the underside inside the steer
tube.  I would then use a Mark's rack and modify the fork mount as
required.  Save the trouble of drilling your fork.

On May 25, 1:53 am, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for the advice. The fork is built super-tough, for serious off-
 roading. I live in Thailand and don't have a drill press, and this is
 my junker, ahem, I mean trusty old stead. If I ruin the fork, I can
 finally go and replace this 20 year old frame with a Kogswell P/R, so
 I am not too worried. :)

 But I am debating whether to take the fork with me on my next trip,
 and maybe have it re-raked for a bit less trail, at which point I
 guess I could ask the frame builder to drill out the crown, and maybe
 add Riv-style mid fork braze-ons for a Mini front rack...

 No sure how much money I want to throw at this bike, though...

 Gernot

 On May 25, 11:29 am, jlvota jlv...@ilstu.edu wrote:





  I just measured the fork on my 58cm Bianchi San Jose that I have
  installed a m-12 on, and the measurement that you took was only 10cm
  on my bike.  I recall having to slightly bend the rack when first put
  it on to get it to mount level, so I'm not sure if it would work on
  your bike or not (but I would bet that if you did get it to fit, you
  are going to have to wrestle with it for a while).

  Since your bike also does not have a hole on both sides of the fork
  crown, I would personally go a different route; maybe there is just
  something in me that cringes at the thought of taking a drill to a
  bike.  Something like the Old Man Mountain Sherpa may be best for a
  bike that has a fork geometry similar to a mountain bike; it does not
  require a hole in the fork crown, and it seems to be very adjustable.

  If you are going to drill out the crown, I would strongly recommend
  taking the fork off and using a drill press.  It is going to be much
  easier to drill the hole using the fender mount as a guide to bring
  the bit through the front using a press.

  Hopefully this helps, keep us updated as to what route you take; I am
  curious to see how it works out either way.

  On May 24, 10:52 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hi,

   I have a Hillborne with a Nitto Mini front rack, and would like to
   install a Nitto M-12 front rack on my Fisher monstercross (700C). The
   fork has gobs of clearance, and I have been told that these racks
   don't fit all forks, depending on the distance between the fork crown
   hole and the canti bosses. The distance on my fork from center of
   canti boss to center of fork crown hole (measured diagonally) is 11cm.
   Can anyone tell me if that is going to work? (Here is a 
   photo:http://www.flickr.com/photos/25150...@n08/4439615305/in/photostream/)

   Also, note that the crown is only drilled in the back to accept a
   fender mounting bolt. Any advice on drilling out the fork crown? I am
   planning to use a drill bit that just fits through the fender mounting
   hole to drill a pilot hole through the front part of the fork crown,
   and then use the correct size (8mm?) to widen the hole in the front
   and back of the crown.

   Thanks,

   Gernot

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[RBW] Re: New-to-me Quickbeam frame/fork pics

[Ken Yokanovich]

Congratulations.  My Quickbeam was one of my favorite bicycles.  Many
a fond memory.  Love the color.

If I did it again, I'd do it exactly the same way. With no desire to
switch gears other than annual switch to lower gearing for plowing
through snow in the winter.  Fixed, single ring/cog. Phil Wood out
back, dynamo up front. Nitto mini rack up front, Rivendell Big rack
out back.

Good luck, most of all have fun!

On May 20, 12:27 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone. I just joined this group, though I've been lurking for a
 while. Yesterday, through a fast and fortunate series of events, I
 picked up a used Quickbeam frame/fork/extras. Here's a small Flickr
 set:

 http://tinyurl.com/2ctq33t

 I'm currently mulling over drivetrain ideas and would be happy to hear
 suggestions or experiences. Currently, I'm thinking I'll do fixed/free
 for a while to get used to the bike. Then, make changes as needed.

 Best,
 Lee
 SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Highrider front rack vs. Big Front Rack vs. Low Riders

[Ken Yokanovich]

I've used low-riders and the Rivendell Nitto big front rack.

On an old Trek 520 (before Rivendell acquisition) I used both older
Blackburn low-riders and the Nitto.  I prefer the Nitto.

I have also used the Nitto on my custom Rivendell All-Rounder for
touring and now on my Atlantis.  I really like the Nitto rack. The
bags ride a bit higher (I run the bags in the lower position), but
this added some welcome clearance from the ground.  My old panniers
have several tears and scuffs from taking corners too aggressively. I
also like the platform up front. I've ridden with a basket zip-tied on
which is one of the greatest things to tour with.  Toss things in,
easy to reach, etc.



On Apr 26, 11:57 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote:
 Does anybody have any experience comparing these three?

 René

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[RBW] Re: Speed Up My Sam

[Ken Yokanovich]

Here's just an idea... since it sounds like one of your riding
partners is riding your old bike, why don't you swap bikes mid-ride
for a direct comparison?  Is it the equipment or the motor?  Position
or equipment?

Never under estimate the power of the psychological perception of
disadvantage.  This is what keeps much of the bicycle industry humming
along with marketing speak, and product reviews laced with personal
opinions.  It's also what keeps so many golf shops doing swift
business selling new and improved clubs, balls, shoes, clothing,
etc...

On Apr 26, 11:10 am, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 Alright, this will probably sound un-Rivish,...please don't pick my
 bones over.  I'm new to this type of bicycle.

 I need my commuter/tourer Sam to go faster, if possible.  I have a
 slate of century rides and a 200 km brevet lined up for the summer and
 I'm being dropped by my riding companions who are significantly less
 fit and heavier than I am, but are riding zippy road bikes (including
 my old Roubaix).  I'm about 1.5 to 3 mph slower over the same course
 than I was on road bike.  I've never been a racer but I really don't
 want my centuries to take 7 hours and I don't think I can make up the
 difference with pure horsepower.  I'm planning on a second bike to
 take on this duty, but that will be at least a year away.

 So, where would this group look to speed up my Sam?  Wheels?  Tires?
 I'm riding 36 spoke wheels with Jack Brown Blues.  And if it just
 can't be done, tell me so and I'll practice smelling the flowers until
 I can come up with the appropriate tool for the described job.

 D.G.

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[RBW] Re: unclaimed custom?

[Ken Yokanovich]

Whatever it it, it certainly raises my curiosity level.  I think
cosmetic details are important because I find bicycles beautiful,
functional art.  But, I don't think that anything outside of a
horrible color would be cosmetic enough to prevent me from interest in
a bicycle.  Oh, and one of my very favorite forms of riding is fixed
gear off road riding.  It's the ultimate under-bike experience.  So,
if this mystery bike is a fixed gear off roader, I'm really
interested.

On Apr 20, 7:13 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:
 http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/230

 Wondering if it is the fixed gear mtn bike from the San Diego Show?
 Can not imagine it would be something to take a loss on.  Even with
 the current state of the union something that created that much drool
 must have value.  No telling if that is the one though.

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[RBW] Re: unclaimed custom?

[Ken Yokanovich]

Wow, that's one VERY cool bike. I bet it would be a real HOOT to
ride.  I've been riding a custom made Co Motion steel frame, rigid
fork, front cantilever only bike. It's really an old regular off-
roader, but I converted to fixed gear using a White Industries ENO
hub.  I also have a custom Phil Wood Independent Fabrication TI
singlespeed that I've been very tempted to convert over to fixed. (I
also have a Trek OCLV fixed gear off-roader. Say what you will about
carbon, the thing is stupid light and I care very little if it get
trashed.  I keep hoping it will fail so I have reason to destroy it.)

Man-o-man, I bet the mystery Rivendell would be really a fun time. I'd
be really curious to get the Rivendell interpretation of ride
characteristics. I have no clue on size, but judging from the photos
it looks like it might be too small.  Good thing, I think if I asked
if I could get another bike right now, my wife would ring my neck!

On Apr 20, 8:24 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't know if this is it, but it's the one that was at the San Diego
 show:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671...@n02/4512933760/sizes/l/

 Pacenti crown, cantis front, no brakes rear, horizontal fork ends (RIP
 Sheldon), no shifter cable braze-ons, curvy chain stays.

 I guess that is about one standard deviation away from a typical Rivendell.

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[RBW] Re: 60 cm Quckbeam f/f on ebay

[Ken Yokanovich]

Thanks for the heads-up Jim.  I was (un)-fortunately not the winning
bidder?!  Uncle Sam is commanding a BIG portion of any money we do
have and I would have had to do a lot of explaining around home if I
HAD won it.  It went for a good price and will hopefully make someone
really happy.

On Mar 21, 1:32 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Not pushing it, not mine, don't know the seller, but was suprised to see
 that this 60cm Quickbeam L'orange was still un-bid-upon (though a $600
 opening bid required) with only ~4 hours to go...

 http://tinyurl.com/qb-69cm-0310

 - J

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[RBW] Re: google maps

[Ken Yokanovich]

I simply love it. I used to use the walking option, though the
Bicycling option seems to do an even better job of picking a route.
(Yes, it likely does make some decisions on keeping the route shorter
in certain instances.)

One of the many great things about Google Maps is that you click on
the route and drag it to different roads.  It is VERY easy to
customize your route.  You can RIGHT-CLICK (sorry cannot help you Mac
people) on the map and Add Destination.  So initial routes might not
be perfect, there are LOTS of ways to visually review your route using
satellite view and change your route.  I thought it did a pretty
decent job of picking an acceptable route.  For instance, here is a
link to an anticipated route for this weekend:

http://tinyurl.com/yzoc8c8

On Mar 11, 10:55 pm, Dave Minyard salukiri...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 Google maps has a new feature still in beta...it will give directions for
 bicycling. I haven't messed with it much but seems like a good idea if it
 works well. I did check it against a ride that I like to do and it was real
 close to how I prefer. Check it out.

 Dave Minyard
 Santa Maria, Ca.

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[RBW] Re: google maps

[Ken Yokanovich]

There really is no difference in the auto-centric world though.  My
wife will jump on the freeway to go a mile, I prefer to drive like I
ride.  I am generally a back-road and side-street route-goer.  If I
look for directions via any route-planner I get a route on major
freeways.

This is one of the few things that I like about Cyclopath that Bill C
mentioned.  It gives users the ability to create a profile and
personal ratings on roads and routes with options for route-planning
based on preferences for distance or bike-ability.  It's lack of
mapping coverage area, lack of options to manipulate route, flash-
based interface, and even some weirdness to getting it to plan a route
I want out-weigh its usefulness to me though.

On Mar 12, 10:18 am, Shaun Meehan meehan.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
 I wonder how Google will go about deciphering and incorporating the
 data they receive from feedback. The route that it tells me to take
 for my commute is 8.7 miles, which is considerably shorter than the 13
 mile route that I usually take. I really dislike riding that route,
 even though it's much more direct, because it sends me down a
 two-lane, blacktop highway with narrow lanes, no shoulder and a LOT of
 cars going 55mph to 70mph. I've ridden it occasionally when I'm in a
 hurry but I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone. At the same
 time, I would hesitate to report it as a problem because it *is*
 ridable. If someone like the woman Jim was discussing reported all of
 the problem routes that she identified, the folks at Google could be
 led to believe that virtually no roads are safe for riding. It's just
 so subjective that it seems like it'd be very difficult to sort
 through the feedback.

 Shaun Meehan



 On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote:
  I punched in my address and that of a friend with whom I ride frequently,
  selected “bicycling,” and it put me on two streets for four miles that I
  avoid whenever possible — and for which there are several safer routes. I
  think it needs a little work. I did not, however, think to even look for a
  problem link.

  --
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  Illustration + Information Graphics
  Austin, Texas
  jgr...@papagrant.com
  512-284-9599

  Drawings — all sorts

  
  From: Ethan ethan.bickf...@gmail.com
  Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:12:00 -0800 (PST)
  To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Subject: [RBW] Re: google maps

  it is a VERY new feature and in Beta. A) Did you select bicycling as
  the mode of travel from the drop down menu? B) If you did and it gave
  you that result you should click the report a problem link and report
  the issue.

  Personally... it gave me what looks to be a reasonable route from my
  home in central Massachusetts to work in Boston (not a commute I plan
  to make often at 32 miles but good to do once in a while).

  Looking forward to it!

  Ethan

  On Mar 12, 8:43 am, GeorgeS chobur...@gmail.com wrote:
  To try out the new feature, I asked for a bike route from New Orleans
  to Hammond which is on the North side of Lake Ponchartrain.  It routed
  me across the lake on the causeway which is an elevated, divided lane
  highway with a 65mph speed limit.  There is no bike lane and bicycles
  are not allowed on the causeway.  Hmmm.
  GeorgeS

  On Mar 11, 10:55 pm, Dave Minyard salukiri...@gmail.com wrote:

   Hi all,
   Google maps has a new feature still in beta...it will give directions
   for
   bicycling. I haven't messed with it much but seems like a good idea if
   it
   works well. I did check it against a ride that I like to do and it was
   real
   close to how I prefer. Check it out.

   Dave Minyard
   Santa Maria, Ca.

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[RBW] Re: Widest wide range double chainring setup? How wide is too wide?

[Ken Yokanovich]

So while it's mentioned that they are made by White Industries, why
not the White Intustries VBC?  Talk about a nice wide-range double,
low Q-factor of 142. Has anyone tried one?

Maybe not the most attractive crank, it is offered in a variety of
different lengths and as a wide-ranged double.  While it does utilize
a proprietary outside ring, a $60 replacement cost is less expensive
than many other high quality rings.



On Mar 7, 12:28 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote:
 I believe the Davinci, a very nice triple, is listed at a modest 158
 Q, and the design allows for a very short bb, which makes it easy to
 move between a dbl  triple.  BTW, they are made by White right here
 in the US, or at least in Ca.  Not cheap, but less than TA.
 Michael

 On Mar 6, 4:33 pm, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:



  Let us all know 'bout that triple if you find it.  The only one I know that
  narrow (in 110bcd/square taper) is the late-great TA Zephyr.

  On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 1:28 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
   Avast, heretic! This be week two (to be precise: this is the 8th day of
   receipt) and I've put 85 miles on it -- not a lot, but work has been busy.

   I hope to swap out the egregiously wide 160 mm Sugino for a more modestly
   endowed 150 or so (one hopes) Q'd 110 triple. As for the 13, I'd rather
   coast. Hell, after five or so years of almost exclusively fixed gear 
   riding,
   coasting feels, well, decadent, somehow.

   And, I just ordered VO's discounted 45 mm alum fenders, a
   stem-clamp-bolt-mount decaleur for the Ostrich and a VO non-Pletscher 
   2-leg
   stand. Ordinarily I frown on kickstands, but the SH has a kickstand plate
   that, metaphysically, demands a stand to bolt to it. The Greenfield is 
   worth
   f-all when you have loaded rear panniers.

   And now I am scheming to rig up a dynolight. The Nashbar front rack
   prevents me, mercifully, from using the ancient Sankya bottle, so I am
   waiting to snag a good deal on a DN72.

   On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:16 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

   Patrick:

   Is this the second or third week with the new bike?  We all knew you
   wouldn't leave things alone!  I agree the 11-32 8 speed is no good for
   touring.  At least you decided to keep the triple!  I'm not qualified
   to get into a theological discussion with you but I'd keep the 13.  A
   bit of tailwind, a slight downgrade.  It can be handy, and will look
   better than another spacer :).

   dougP

   On Mar 6, 10:25 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
Today I'm taking the Sam Hill to the LBS to have the Deore rear 8/9/10
   sp
freehub body exchanged for a (scavenged; thanks Ryan) 7 sp one. And, if
   I
can find a way to do so, I'll toss the present 13 outer and have a
15-17-19-21-26-32 6 speed, with an extra spacer or two at the big end.
   For
why? One, to put the 19 right in line with the outer 46, for a 68
non-touring cruising gear (Jack Browns). I will keep the 36 since the
remaining 67 -- 32 range will probably be nice on long uphills with a
touring load. And there remains the 26 inner when I am tempted to
   despair
and give up. But for about town riding, the 46/19 X 28 wheel gives me
   the
ideal, the classic, nay the ultima ratio and ne plus ultra of
   all-rounder
gears and, if I am feeling effete, I can get a full 85 down to 40 on
   the
outer. Gad, the excess!

The other reason is that my mind still boggles at three (3!!!) rings 
and
   six
(6!!!) cogs: what shall I do with this excess? I dislike, for
   theological
reasons, having unused cogs on my cassette, and anything north of 15 is
pretty useless to me. If I keep the 13, it will simply be as an 
annoying
   but
necessary spacer for the 15.

The original 11-32 8 speed is just, how to put it, crazy. 46X11 = 117.
   Even
Eddy didn't have such a gear! The 46X13 is an overkill 99. Fausto 
would
have sneered. The 15 brings things down to a merely athletic level.

On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Dustin Sharp paleo.v...@gmail.com
   wrote:

 Yup, I pretty much ride mine as a 1x9 until the hills come. I'm
   running
 44-30 and 12-27. I do spin out on bigger hills and occasionally wish
   for
 something a bit easier for extreme grades. Maybe I should give 44-28 
 a
   shot
 with one of SRAM's 11-28 cassettes.

 The other thing that makes this setup work well is having a big ring
   that
 is
 positioned to let you use almost all of your gears. For me, 135 rear
 spacing
 and using the inner two rings of a Sugino XD triple with a 113 bb
   makes for
 a great chainline.

 Dustin

  IMO a workable wide-range double uses the small ring only as a 
  bail-
  out for the biggest climbs, and the big ring for everything else.
  Something like 44/24 x 12-xx would work pretty well for me.

  Bill

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[RBW] Re: JAck Brons and Honjo 43mm?

[Ken Yokanovich]

I too have a set of Jack Browns under a set of Honjo 43mm fenders.
Much better clearance than what I had with the 35mm Pasela TG's :)
The Jack Brown Green is currently my favorite tire.

On Mar 4, 11:24 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:
 Has any body here pushed the limits?  What is the tightest fender a
 Jack Brown has been squeezed into?

 Rob

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[RBW] Re: Nitto Lugged Stem

[Ken Yokanovich]

I don't know about weight, length, or any real specifications that
make them different.  I have two lugged stems on two different
bicycles; on my Rivendell custom all-rounder, and one on a custom Curt
Goodrich.  I have regular Nitto stems on my Atlantis and on another
custom Rivendell road bike.

There is a noticable difference in stiffness when the front of the
bike is loaded down with weight. I'd like to get another lugged stem
for the Atlantis for when touring with front panniers.  I have no
desire to add one to the other Rivendell road. Mostly, it's an
aesthetic thing that one looks at and says; Wow, what a beautiful bit
of ridable art.

On Mar 2, 5:54 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there more to this stem then the love of lugs?  Is it appreciably
 stiffer than the technomic? Does it provide vertical compliance while
 isolating lateral and twisting flex?

 Is there more than good looks for 3 times the price?

 Rob

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Kojak vs Jack Brown

[Ken Yokanovich]

Why not call Rivendell to inquire?  Obviously there will be a variety
of opinions based on their use?

On Mar 2, 5:48 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote:
 Who among us has ridden both and can compare?  I really enjoy my Jack
 Brown greens, but the pictures of the Kojaks on various bikes ar
 RBWWHQ have got me wondering.  Deep Google searches turn up mostly
 recumbant love.

 Rob

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[RBW] Re: I flickered...

[Ken Yokanovich]

Thanks for sharing. Fun to see where that beautiful Saluki that I
believe used to belong to John Ferguson went :)  Good for you!

I too share the enjoyment of riding with my kids on a tandem.  I have
an old steel Trek with albatross bars that I ride with my daughters.



On Mar 3, 10:26 am, rb b...@projectblu.com wrote:
 Hi...I finally organized meself to get photos up on flickr; there IS
 some riv content on there, as we have 2 of them (one you might
 recognize). And our other bikes as well. Check out the blue one.
 Enjoy (and eventually...better photos).  RB

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[RBW] Palms Springs, CA Area Riding?

[Ken Yokanovich]

It looks like I will be able to spend a few days with the family in
Palm Springs during the second week in February.  Thinking of bringing
along my Atlantis so that I can get out and ride.  Looking at the map,
it looks like San Jacinto State Park could make for a fantastic ride.
I, cannot tell from the maps if there is any way to make for a loop
through Banning and back to Palm Springs.  (I hate out and back
rides.)

Anyone have any experience with the area that might be able to provide
some must-see or should ride routes?  I will ride just about any type
of road condition and love gravel and off road stuff too.  Really, the
more tortuous the route, perhaps the better?  Am I a sadist... No, but
I am trying to get in condition for a really STUPID bike ride at the
end of April.

Being from MN, any weather that doesn't involve studded tires and
multiple layers of wool sounds wonderful.  Distance wise, if the
weather is above 40, I wouldn't mind a little longer routes, should be
good for 100+ miles at a crack.

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[RBW] Re: Palms Springs, CA Area Riding?

[Ken Yokanovich]

Thanks Gary for the info on the Tour Dee Palm Springs.  I will be in
town the night of the 18th and leaving on the 20th.

Dustin, the Palm Canyon Epic looks fantastic, but I don't think I
would try that solo in unfamiliar territory and my Atlantis has
couplers so I can travel with it, my off-roaders do not.

There are a variety of more urban rides and maps in the Palm Springs
area proper.  I was thinking I would do some shorter rides 'round
town, but would like to get out for one ride on a more grand scale.
Something like this: http://tinyurl.com/y8kohpf

Ideally somehow figure out how to close the loop between Banning and
Palm Springs.  Looks like there might be some type of irrigation ditch
or something that most of the non-interstate routes don't cross?
Perhaps I should just set out with the bike in a counter-clockwise
direction armed with map and try it?

I will perhaps need to make some phone calls to local bikes shops and
the local riding clubs, but am afraid that I might get typical oh,
you want smooth pavement so you can go fast route recommendations.
I'm looking more for something off the beaten path Country Bike route.

On Jan 16, 5:07 pm, Dustin Sharp dsh...@runbox.com wrote:
 Gotta say, the best riding around Palm Springs requires fat tires and
 (hopefully) front suspension (at least):

 http://www.mountainbikebill.com/PalmCanyon.htm

 You could try it on a Bombadil, but I don't think you'd try it again on a
 Bombadil.

 On 1/16/10 2:54 PM, Gary g...@worldcyclotour.com wrote:



  The Tour De Palm Springs will be going on Feb 12-13th. Weather is
  usually brisk in the morning and warm in the day 60+ degrees or so.
  I've done this one a bunch. You may be able to download a course route
  online. Real fun ride if you decide to participate. If not, there are
  tons of interesting rides out there.

  Gary
  baufl.org

  On Jan 16, 1:40 pm, Ken Yokanovich reflector.collec...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  It looks like I will be able to spend a few days with the family in
  Palm Springs during the second week in February.  Thinking of bringing
  along my Atlantis so that I can get out and ride.  Looking at the map,
  it looks like San Jacinto State Park could make for a fantastic ride.
  I, cannot tell from the maps if there is any way to make for a loop
  through Banning and back to Palm Springs.  (I hate out and back
  rides.)

  Anyone have any experience with the area that might be able to provide
  some must-see or should ride routes?  I will ride just about any type
  of road condition and love gravel and off road stuff too.  Really, the
  more tortuous the route, perhaps the better?  Am I a sadist... No, but
  I am trying to get in condition for a really STUPID bike ride at the
  end of April.

  Being from MN, any weather that doesn't involve studded tires and
  multiple layers of wool sounds wonderful.  Distance wise, if the
  weather is above 40, I wouldn't mind a little longer routes, should be
  good for 100+ miles at a crack.
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[RBW] Re: A Few Details from RBWHQL

[Ken Yokanovich]

Wow, this gives me a reason to be glad that I live in the midwest.  I
really think that I would have a hard time exercising self-restraint
if I lived close enough to RBW to drop in for a visit.  I REALLY like
the Roadeo and would be very tempted if I didn't already own a pair of
Rivendell customs that matches the purposes (wet and dry) quite
well.

I REALLy like the color combos of the Bombadil and Roadeo.  I hope
that they go to a good home.

On Dec 23, 12:17 am, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote:
 Dropped by the Rivendell Bicycle Works Headquarters and La-ir for a while
 today. Pestered the staff for a bit and chatted with GP.  Got a nice chance
 to check out some of the more recent work.

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/sets/72157622930262825/

 Pretty fine stuff they are putting out these days.

 - J

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 Jim Edgar
 cyclofi...@earthlink.net

 Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com
 Current Classics - Cross Bikes
 Singlespeed - Working Bikes

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 how:http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines

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 intricacy of its brakes and shifters pulling her straight in. Beauty.
 -- William Gibson, Virtual Light

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[RBW] Re: insurance for bikes.

[Ken Yokanovich]

I'm a sceptic.  There's a difference between what your agent tells you
and what the insurance adjuster eventually says.  Basically, your
agent is the sales guy... (s)he is going to tell you whatever you
really want to hear.

In the case of my accident, my Quickbeam was destroyed.  I'd rebuilt
my bicycle with dynamo, different wheels, Phil rear hub and bottom
bracket, Nitto front / rear racks, Brooks saddle, lights, pedals,
Brooks bar wrap, etc.  The adjuster offered $400 for the replacement
value of the bicycle. It took over 40 weeks to come to a more
realistic figure of what the bicycle was worth. It was one of the
more miserable experiences I've had to go through.

How does one put a value on a bicycle that one cannot go out and buy?
Given the nature of the Rivendell products, how would I place a value
on my Atlantis?  How about a custom?  How does one go about being
reimbursed for a multi-year wait?  How about parts that you cannot go
out and buy?

If you've ever tried to justify your bicycle expenditures to someone
INTERESTED in your bicycle, just wait until you have to try to justify
it to someone holding the checkbook who's job it is to close the claim
for the least amount possible.

Clearly, there could be a better solution similar to specialty auto
insurance that people might use for collector cars.


On Dec 15, 1:59 pm, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote:
 In my only actual bike/car collision, I was clearly at fault. I injured
 myself and damaged my bike frame, and the car I hit sustained a dented
 fender and hood, and a crushed windshield. My homeowners policy covered it
 all, though I don¹t remember whether or not I paid a deductible, or how much
 it might have been.

 YM definitely MV.

 --
 Jon ³Papa² Grant
 Illustration + Information Graphics
 Austin, Texas
 jgr...@papagrant.com
 512-284-9599

 Drawings ‹ all sorts

 From: Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com
 Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:37:10 -0800
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] insurance for bikes.

 What about in the case of a crash (assuming it is my fault). Is there any
 insurance that would cover that?

 Thanks,
 Clayton Scott
 SF CA



 On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:01 PM, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net 
  wrote:
   on 12/15/09 10:11 AM, Seth Vidal at skvi...@gmail.com wrote:

   Does anyone know of an insurance company that offers insurance for
   bikes stolen when you're out in the world? Theoretically my
   homeowner's policy would cover it but I really don't want to test that
   and not know. So I'm curious - can anyone think of a company that
   explicitly offers bike-theft insurance?

   Renter's/homeowner's should cover it.  There may be limits on the policy
   payouts, and pay attention to an specific-item exclusions or limits. But,
  if
   you have documented replacement values, it's hard for them to argue
   otherwise.

   A call to your agent (if you have one) or to the company might help.  I'd
   verbally give them a general list of items (computers, jewelry, hi-fi,
   electronics, oh, and bicycles, a couple of musical instruments...) to
   confirm nothing is excluded or needs a specific additional coverage 
   rider.

  I specifically asked:

  I go to a coffee shop. I ride my bike there. I lock my bike up
  outside. It gets nicked. What happens?

  He said - $500 deductible and the rest is covered for replacement value.

  thanks for the suggestion,
  -sv

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