Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Honestly, I also manually handle my own indenting, but it is sometimes nice that it notifies me of indentation changes, etc., but, no, I don't use it's formatting replacement functionality as such...smile Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message --- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:25:22 -0400 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Hi, Yes, that works as well. Although, just my two cents, I think it is better to manually indent/format your code rather than depend on a third-party program for automatic indention. Far too many developers today seem to gravitate towards IDES that automatically indent code, have custom wizards to create entire blocks of code, etc and while it speeds up the process it also lacks a certain amount of uniqueness and style. Plus a manual coder such as myself can take any off the shelf text editor Notepad, Gedit, Nano, Emacs, whatever and roll up my sleaves and start programming without having x number of extra specialized tools for programming. All you need is one good text editor to do programming. I look at it as the all for one one for all principle but like I said that's just my opinion. Cheers! On 8/18/11, Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za wrote: Also, Jamal Masry's text/programming editor, edSharp has specific support for blind python programmers: http://www.empowermentzone.com/edsetup.exe Only for windows though, AFAIK anyway. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
That's why I use edSharp - it will make the screen reader just say something like level 1, level 2, etc., and only if you do the tab key press yourself, or if indentation level of code being reviewed changes, etc. Stay well Stay well - Original Message --- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:38:24 -0400 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Hi Dark, Python is Python regardless if it is embedded in a program as a scriptable module or you write the next version of Shades of Doom. The language and sintax carry over from program to program although the classes and ffunctions available might be different. However, the same basic rules apply. However, as I said Python is not too bad. You can usually enabled tab indentation in a screen reader like NVDA or Window-Eyes and it will tell you if a line is indented one, two, or three tabs. I never use a braille display any more myself except when its late at night and I want to review something in piece and quiet. The only advantage with a braille display is you can feel the indention rather than hearing the screen reader blab every tab position at the beginning of every line. I will say that gets to be a bit annoying. Especially, if I have a really nested statement, and NVDA does something like tab, tab, tab, tab for several tabs when I'd rather it just say x number of tabs and be done with it. However, it can be done easy enough. Cheers! On 8/18/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well hal will let you know the number of tabs before a line and possibly more if I muck about with the detection settings (it's not a feature I use much). The problem with relying upon a braille display is only some people have them because they're prohibitively expensive. i looked at getting one at one stage, but couldn't afford the price tag annoyingly, and anyway now that synth voices are good enough to listen to it makes the idea of a braille display less necessary for most things. i think Jason's idea is to have scripts based upon Python people can modify, rather than python itself, so as to keep things easier for the end user, so how complex the indentation will get I'm not sure. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi, I think some of my favorites were the above-mentioned fire exit, the so-called goblin folksong, and the lord of the rings featuring the wise Lord Sauron. Let's not forget the boxing ring. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:48 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi, Yeah, I know the feeling. There were a number of times I was aware of something bad would happen, but I chose that option anyway just to see what would happen for kicks. For instance, the fire exit. I figured given Dark's quarky sense of humor that instead of being an exit from the dungeon a fire exit meant you'd die in some horable way. All the same I had to open the door just once to see what would happen, and sure enough I got roasted alive. Lol! Thing is the gamebook is such a crazy and silly game you just have to open all the doors, look in every room, and try every option just for laughs if for no other reason. I completed the game, but got lots of laughs out of it along the way. cheers! On 8/15/11, Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za wrote: yup, but will also be honest, and say that a few times, although you're pretty sure it's not the best idea, you still want to know what's going to happen when you try something, or go somewhere...the wonders of being in a virtual world, instead of the 'real' one...smile Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi, Yes, that works as well. Although, just my two cents, I think it is better to manually indent/format your code rather than depend on a third-party program for automatic indention. Far too many developers today seem to gravitate towards IDES that automatically indent code, have custom wizards to create entire blocks of code, etc and while it speeds up the process it also lacks a certain amount of uniqueness and style. Plus a manual coder such as myself can take any off the shelf text editor Notepad, Gedit, Nano, Emacs, whatever and roll up my sleaves and start programming without having x number of extra specialized tools for programming. All you need is one good text editor to do programming. I look at it as the all for one one for all principle but like I said that's just my opinion. Cheers! On 8/18/11, Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za wrote: Also, Jamal Masry's text/programming editor, edSharp has specific support for blind python programmers: http://www.empowermentzone.com/edsetup.exe Only for windows though, AFAIK anyway. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Dark, Python is Python regardless if it is embedded in a program as a scriptable module or you write the next version of Shades of Doom. The language and sintax carry over from program to program although the classes and ffunctions available might be different. However, the same basic rules apply. However, as I said Python is not too bad. You can usually enabled tab indentation in a screen reader like NVDA or Window-Eyes and it will tell you if a line is indented one, two, or three tabs. I never use a braille display any more myself except when its late at night and I want to review something in piece and quiet. The only advantage with a braille display is you can feel the indention rather than hearing the screen reader blab every tab position at the beginning of every line. I will say that gets to be a bit annoying. Especially, if I have a really nested statement, and NVDA does something like tab, tab, tab, tab for several tabs when I'd rather it just say x number of tabs and be done with it. However, it can be done easy enough. Cheers! On 8/18/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well hal will let you know the number of tabs before a line and possibly more if I muck about with the detection settings (it's not a feature I use much). The problem with relying upon a braille display is only some people have them because they're prohibitively expensive. i looked at getting one at one stage, but couldn't afford the price tag annoyingly, and anyway now that synth voices are good enough to listen to it makes the idea of a braille display less necessary for most things. i think Jason's idea is to have scripts based upon Python people can modify, rather than python itself, so as to keep things easier for the end user, so how complex the indentation will get I'm not sure. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Tom. what you say about programming makes sense, and that might actually be something I'd look into when my phd is finished, sinse creating an rpg has always been a desire of mine. for superhero powers though, I'm afraid mutants is precisely the sort of rp system that can! handle just about any power from super strength, to magic, to super science. it has rules for creating a generic close or ranged, attack and fitting it with an element or an effect if needed. For instance, my characters' powered armour has lasers which are simply a standard ranged attacked at one targit that do the full degree of my characters' damage. Another character in our party is the reincarnation of a god of sunlight. She has a blast of light attack. This is not as damaging as my lasers, but has a dazle effect, and also sinse it's a blast of light can affect shadow based creatures. another of our party is a half fae, and she has a bow which she uses to fire arrows. all of us derive our powers from different sources, but mechanically, all of the attacks can be classified as ranged attacks against a single targit doing different sorts of damage and different sorts of effects, heck my armour also has several ranged attacks itself, going from a dimentional cannon that can affect insubstantial creatures, to a scope which does less damage but has a greater chance of hitting, - then I have enhanced strenght and can always punch or grapple people too! As you might guess, i'm prety much the group's main fighter, though other people have skilsl like healing, magic rituals, mental manipulation and such. My point however is that actually a full system could be created that could handle spells, super powers or whatever, but it would be a hugely complex thing to do, mutants afterall is a pretty complex rp game and you probably couldn't put the mechanics into a gamebook in a satisfactory way. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
yep, i got to the same point. I believe there is a way around it but I'm not sure what it is maybe asking on the guestbook over at the ff project site will help. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! yeah I really hate house of horror. I manage to role the skills I need, I have luck on my side I am strong. I have past all the traps and got the super weapons. Now I kill the boss and die. I guess I have to kill his weaker guy first but its tricky. Worse still even if I do succeed I get killed by the rest of the gang and there is no other exit bar continuation or death. At 02:58 a.m. 17/08/2011, you wrote: Well actually the fire exit is probably the only place in the book where one random choice can kill you. I really dislike gamebooks where it's a case of right or left door, right your dead! and there's no clue involved, you just die, house of horror on the fighting fantasy project site, and the novel it was based on house of hell are very bad for that. The fire exit though I thought was a bit of a no brainer, and just stuck it in for kicks, sinse I also tried to always make deaths as amusing as possible. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Dark, True enough. Obviously your Mutants and Masterminds game is a more complex game where there are lots of different stats to keep track of and much harder to put into a gamebook in a satisfactory way as you pointed out. However, the point still stands that generic stats don't necessarily apply to each and every game out there so its up to a creator to come up with rules, skills, and stats on a per game basis I think. Lastly on the scripting angle right now I'm looking at Python as my generic gamebook/text adventure language at the moment. Even for something like writing your typical Infocom type adventure I have found Python well suited to the task. Oh, I've tried Adrift, Inform, Tads, etc but Python struck me as the happy balance between the power of a fully functional programming language and ease of use. Python is light on sintax so its easy to pick up and learn. Its cross-platform, and all the documentation is free. Programming doesn't get much better than that. For example, lets assume I want to print a intro to my new altra cool text adventure there really isn't much to it in Python. Its so simple that it is not much more difficult than writing the text up in html. def GameIntro(): #Write intro message to the screen print Long long ago\n print in a galaxy far far away\n print the heroic Rebel Alliance continues their\n print struggle against the Galactic Empire.\n print Meanwhile the rebel leader, Princess Leia, hurries home\n print with the secret plans of a new Imperial super weapon\n print known as the Death Star.\n print It is feared that this new super weapon\n print may bring an end to the Rebbel Alliance and all they stand for.\n #Prompt the player to press return raw_input(Press return to continue:\n) #End function As you can see Python is well suited to quick and easy programming on the fly. Unlike say C or C++ there is a minimal amount of extraneous syntax like braces, brackets, semi-colons, and what not which makes Python suited for exactly this kind of game. Oh, I still love my C and C++, but why do that when Python can do the same thing with half the effort required? Basically, my point is when or if you ever choose to start programming Python might be a place for you to start if you are thinking of programming text adventures, gamebooks, or an all out RPG without too much coding involved. Cheers! On 8/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. what you say about programming makes sense, and that might actually be something I'd look into when my phd is finished, sinse creating an rpg has always been a desire of mine. for superhero powers though, I'm afraid mutants is precisely the sort of rp system that can! handle just about any power from super strength, to magic, to super science. it has rules for creating a generic close or ranged, attack and fitting it with an element or an effect if needed. For instance, my characters' powered armour has lasers which are simply a standard ranged attacked at one targit that do the full degree of my characters' damage. Another character in our party is the reincarnation of a god of sunlight. She has a blast of light attack. This is not as damaging as my lasers, but has a dazle effect, and also sinse it's a blast of light can affect shadow based creatures. another of our party is a half fae, and she has a bow which she uses to fire arrows. all of us derive our powers from different sources, but mechanically, all of the attacks can be classified as ranged attacks against a single targit doing different sorts of damage and different sorts of effects, heck my armour also has several ranged attacks itself, going from a dimentional cannon that can affect insubstantial creatures, to a scope which does less damage but has a greater chance of hitting, - then I have enhanced strenght and can always punch or grapple people too! As you might guess, i'm prety much the group's main fighter, though other people have skilsl like healing, magic rituals, mental manipulation and such. My point however is that actually a full system could be created that could handle spells, super powers or whatever, but it would be a hugely complex thing to do, mutants afterall is a pretty complex rp game and you probably couldn't put the mechanics into a gamebook in a satisfactory way. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Tom. By shear coincidence this actually ties in to a recent discussion on the entombbed list. Jason is speculating (ie, no official announcement yet so people don't start getting over excited), about creating another entombed game but with more stable code and some of the elements we've wanted in the previous game. One of his thoughts, is actually creating a scripting engine to handle player based contributions such as extra monsters, abilities, character classes etc. he was asking whether python was an accessible programming language for visually impared people to use and whether it would be the good basis of such scripting. obviously from your example, the answer is a distinct yes. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Dark, Yes, Python is accessible although slightly more difficult for a blind person to use. Unlike other programming languages Python requires formatting and indention instead of braces, brackets, and alike to seperate sections of code. If a blind user is unaware of how to properly format the code or can't see to line things up properly that can cause some nasty problems for the developer. There are however work arounds for the problem. The solution I use is NVDA. The programmer who wrote NVDA wrote it in Python, and writes all of his apps in Python. Naturally, since he himself is a Python programmer NVDA has the ability to sspeak tabs/line indentions which makes lining up blocks of Python code a breeze. I suppose other screen readers can do this too, but NVDA just happens to be the tool I use for the job. The other solution is to use a braille display. Braille displays have long been the programmers primary tool for coding because you can actually feel the line indentions, etc and determine if things are aligned properly. So, yeah, Python is accessible. It does help though if the screen reader will speak line indentions or number of tabs etc. You can tell just by looking at the formatting if this is an inner or outer block of code. Quite helpful with working with if-else conditional statements, loops, etc which may have several inner blocks and statements nested inside each other. Cheers! On 8/17/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. By shear coincidence this actually ties in to a recent discussion on the entombbed list. Jason is speculating (ie, no official announcement yet so people don't start getting over excited), about creating another entombed game but with more stable code and some of the elements we've wanted in the previous game. One of his thoughts, is actually creating a scripting engine to handle player based contributions such as extra monsters, abilities, character classes etc. he was asking whether python was an accessible programming language for visually impared people to use and whether it would be the good basis of such scripting. obviously from your example, the answer is a distinct yes. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Also, Jamal Masry's text/programming editor, edSharp has specific support for blind python programmers: http://www.empowermentzone.com/edsetup.exe Only for windows though, AFAIK anyway. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 6:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Yes, Python is accessible although slightly more difficult for a blind person to use. Unlike other programming languages Python requires formatting and indention instead of braces, brackets, and alike to seperate sections of code. If a blind user is unaware of how to properly format the code or can't see to line things up properly that can cause some nasty problems for the developer. There are however work arounds for the problem. The solution I use is NVDA. The programmer who wrote NVDA wrote it in Python, and writes all of his apps in Python. Naturally, since he himself is a Python programmer NVDA has the ability to sspeak tabs/line indentions which makes lining up blocks of Python code a breeze. I suppose other screen readers can do this too, but NVDA just happens to be the tool I use for the job. The other solution is to use a braille display. Braille displays have long been the programmers primary tool for coding because you can actually feel the line indentions, etc and determine if things are aligned properly. So, yeah, Python is accessible. It does help though if the screen reader will speak line indentions or number of tabs etc. You can tell just by looking at the formatting if this is an inner or outer block of code. Quite helpful with working with if-else conditional statements, loops, etc which may have several inner blocks and statements nested inside each other. Cheers! On 8/17/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. By shear coincidence this actually ties in to a recent discussion on the entombbed list. Jason is speculating (ie, no official announcement yet so people don't start getting over excited), about creating another entombed game but with more stable code and some of the elements we've wanted in the previous game. One of his thoughts, is actually creating a scripting engine to handle player based contributions such as extra monsters, abilities, character classes etc. he was asking whether python was an accessible programming language for visually impared people to use and whether it would be the good basis of such scripting. obviously from your example, the answer is a distinct yes. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Well hal will let you know the number of tabs before a line and possibly more if I muck about with the detection settings (it's not a feature I use much). The problem with relying upon a braille display is only some people have them because they're prohibitively expensive. i looked at getting one at one stage, but couldn't afford the price tag annoyingly, and anyway now that synth voices are good enough to listen to it makes the idea of a braille display less necessary for most things. i think Jason's idea is to have scripts based upon Python people can modify, rather than python itself, so as to keep things easier for the end user, so how complex the indentation will get I'm not sure. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Yes, Python is accessible although slightly more difficult for a blind person to use. Unlike other programming languages Python requires formatting and indention instead of braces, brackets, and alike to seperate sections of code. If a blind user is unaware of how to properly format the code or can't see to line things up properly that can cause some nasty problems for the developer. There are however work arounds for the problem. The solution I use is NVDA. The programmer who wrote NVDA wrote it in Python, and writes all of his apps in Python. Naturally, since he himself is a Python programmer NVDA has the ability to sspeak tabs/line indentions which makes lining up blocks of Python code a breeze. I suppose other screen readers can do this too, but NVDA just happens to be the tool I use for the job. The other solution is to use a braille display. Braille displays have long been the programmers primary tool for coding because you can actually feel the line indentions, etc and determine if things are aligned properly. So, yeah, Python is accessible. It does help though if the screen reader will speak line indentions or number of tabs etc. You can tell just by looking at the formatting if this is an inner or outer block of code. Quite helpful with working with if-else conditional statements, loops, etc which may have several inner blocks and statements nested inside each other. Cheers! On 8/17/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. By shear coincidence this actually ties in to a recent discussion on the entombbed list. Jason is speculating (ie, no official announcement yet so people don't start getting over excited), about creating another entombed game but with more stable code and some of the elements we've wanted in the previous game. One of his thoughts, is actually creating a scripting engine to handle player based contributions such as extra monsters, abilities, character classes etc. he was asking whether python was an accessible programming language for visually impared people to use and whether it would be the good basis of such scripting. obviously from your example, the answer is a distinct yes. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Haiden. It's a gamebook, there is no coding in the background, just like in the original books, I'm relying upon player honesty to not use an item if they don't have it which is the way gamebooks work. People may cheat, though that rather negates the point of playing if your going to pretend you've got items you haven't, but there isn't really anything I can do about that in the books construction. The equally applies to any other gamebook as well. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol...I'm loving it. There is an issue though. The seven-headed Cerberus can be defeated with the bogstoppers whether youhave or have not opened the chest, I believe. So you might want to look into taking that choice out. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol! Great job. I just downloaded this gamebook, played a few games, and its great. Thanks for writing this funny adventure. Reminds me of the old Choose Your Own Adventure stories from the 1980's. Does anyone remember those? In the Choose Your Own Adventure gamebooks you were given a story, and you were given options at the bottom of each page. Depending on the options you selected the book would end differently. I use to love reading them, because there were so many variations of the same story depending on choices it took several readings to find out what all the paths were. Some ended pretty quickly like explore the darkened room, and you stepped into a hole and fell to your death. Where if you ignored the darkened room you would move on in the story and be given two more choices until you got to one of the endings. It was great fun. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. A while ago I was having a discussion with a mad person on audiogames.net calling himself Aprone, about the difficulties of creating a gamebook with numbered sections to turn to when you suffer from a lack of eyeballs and cannot therefore use things like spider diagrams. With his usual ludicrous speed, Aprone came up with the solution, a program named Darkgrue, somehoe because of me ;d. Darkgrue will let you create a number of standard text files to be the sections of your book, linked by choices which each lead to another section. You can use the arrow keys to navigate around the pages, and do some clever things like copy and paste different choices or create a separate title for each section. With all the navigation taken care of, you are then free to use your imagination to open each file in notepad and come up with the actual book text. the program is self voicing, but also contains textual information, so probably would be of interest to any potential gamebook authors, as it could be a very useful tool. I began a humerous test adventure with darkgrue basically to test out the program. Being a simple game, it was to have no dice rolling, and just feature choices based on the odd item. As is often the case though, what was intended to be a comedy litle romp through a dungeon grew into a 90 odd section monstrosity with cast of monsters, puzles and generalized insanity! So here it is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939 For more about darkgrue, please go to Jeremy kaldobsky, aka Aprone's site on http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ Hope people enjoy the insanity of the book, and also get some fun out of darkgrue. I do have plans (and have already started writing), for a far more serious book next, which will also feature a unique stats system including combat and character attributes, and will be set in it's own rather distinct world. stil, I hope people have fun with dungeons. if you get stuck, please look in the readme for some general hints, and if your extremely stuck, i'm willing to answer questions, though I hope the puzles are all doable. All the best, dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Tom. It'd be nice to have stats and such in the background and also jigger the choices so that if you didn't have an item choices connected with it wouldn't show up. That's the way the books on the ff project work, and also what age of fable does. However obviously i don't have those skills myself. Darkgrue is primarily an html editer. While We have discussed adding stat tracking, it was felt that sinse different players will want to use different types of stats, things should just be left up to the player to design a dice rolling system. I know there are people who won't play gamebooks if they don't automatically do the dice rolling and stat tracking, though imho they are just doing themselves out of a lot of good stuff this way. The gamebooks on www.arborell.com are some of the best I've ever seen, the writing and world are amazing. However the gm is not a programmer therefore you need to do your own dice rolling. This isn't to say though that something with auto stat tracking and dice rolling isn't worth doing, because obviously when your designging it for a computer to do, you can make a far more complex system than would be possible when your asking the player to keep track of it which is a distinct advantage. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Well that's generally true of most gamebooks, and I will confess I have been known to save my progress occasionally by sticking an html section in my favourites and keeping a copy of a character sheet if any. I did also in dungeons try to make all the deaths at least a litle humerous, so I am quite pleased people get to see them. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! yup, but will also be honest, and say that a few times, although you're pretty sure it's not the best idea, you still want to know what's going to happen when you try something, or go somewhere...the wonders of being in a virtual world, instead of the 'real' one...smile Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Ah Jacob, I'm glad you managed to finish it, it proves my puzles weren't too obscure, but if you had to try several times it proves things weren't too easy either. Glad you liked it. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Ok, just finished it off - after a few tries, and, excellent! Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Thanks Jacob, I'm glad your finding it fun. I tried to make the deaths as humerous as possible, so as to give you at least some compensation for dying and (theoretically), starting again. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi jacob. I've got the complete protius archive from http://outspaced.fightingfantasy.org/ they're rather fun though i wish you could get the propper ff books the way you can the lone wolf ones. I've played a couple cooperatively with a friend of mine who's a big fan, but annoyingly the company who are rereleasing them did not respond to my mail when I suggested they sell accessible electronic versions for pc as well as the print originals. that's why I'm hoping darkgrue is going to encourage people to write more gamebooks online. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! I've got some electronic copies of some proteus magazine gamebook things - need to upload them, but they do also need you to maintain a minor character sheet including hit points etc., and while they're not perfectly structured, think they're still playable. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol! Great job. I just downloaded this gamebook, played a few games, and its great. Thanks for writing this funny adventure. Reminds me of the old Choose Your Own Adventure stories from the 1980's. Does anyone remember those? In the Choose Your Own Adventure gamebooks you were given a story, and you were given options at the bottom of each page. Depending on the options you selected the book would end differently. I use to love reading them, because there were so many variations of the same story depending on choices it took several readings to find out what all the paths were. Some ended pretty quickly like explore the darkened room, and you stepped into a hole and fell to your death. Where if you ignored the darkened room you would move on in the story and be given two more choices until you got to one of the endings. It was great fun. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. A while ago I was having a discussion with a mad person on audiogames.net calling himself Aprone, about the difficulties of creating a gamebook with numbered sections to turn to when you suffer from a lack of eyeballs and cannot therefore use things like spider diagrams. With his usual ludicrous speed, Aprone came up with the solution, a program named Darkgrue, somehoe because of me ;d. Darkgrue will let you create a number of standard text files to be the sections of your book, linked by choices which each lead to another section. You can use the arrow keys to navigate around the pages, and do some clever things like copy and paste different choices or create a separate title for each section. With all the navigation taken care of, you are then free to use your imagination to open each file in notepad and come up with the actual book text. the program is self voicing, but also contains textual information, so probably would be of interest to any potential gamebook authors, as it could be a very useful tool. I began a humerous test adventure with darkgrue basically to test out the program. Being a simple game, it was to have no dice rolling, and just feature choices based on the odd item. As is often the case though, what was intended to be a comedy litle romp through a dungeon grew into a 90 odd section monstrosity with cast of monsters, puzles and generalized insanity! So here it is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939 For more about darkgrue, please go to Jeremy kaldobsky, aka Aprone's site on http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ Hope people enjoy the insanity of the book, and also get some fun out of darkgrue. I do have plans (and have already started writing), for a far more serious book next, which will also feature a unique stats system including combat and character attributes, and will be set in it's own rather distinct world. stil, I hope people have fun with dungeons. if you get stuck, please look in the readme for some general hints, and if your extremely stuck, i'm willing to answer questions, though I hope the puzles are all doable. All the best, dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
I'll have to take a look at the engine and see what can be done with it. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! That's what I've sort of done with my small RPG game engine done in python, including latest creation applet that makes it easier to put together game content. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Interesting enough that's kind of what I'd like to do myself, but instead of writing a gamebook in straight html I'd like to code it in C++ or maybe something simpler like Python and see how far I could get. By using something like Python, for example, I could have it do the rolls etc for me as well as keep track of items, character status, etc. Either that or I could code it in perl and add the game to a web page. There are all kinds of cool things we can do with gamebooks and make them pretty enjoyable. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Well that was the intention, though I must confess I was quite pleased with some ideas that turned up in the book, especially towards the end when I actually was trying as much for disturbing as for humourus. The next book which I've already started the bakcground on, is a much more complex and serious affair, with a distinct main character and what is I hope a relatively unique setting. with dungeons I was as much trying to test out the program as anything else, i just decided it was probably good enough for people to enjoy reading. Depending upon whether I'm allowd, I'm also hopefully entering dungeons into the gamebook competition at www.arborell.com, though sinse they usually only accept books formatted as a single rtf file, we'll have to see. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
I have like 20 adventures in text based PDF files, and double checked that when saved one of them to a text file only, I could find the place markers they were telling you to go/turn to easily enough, and got them through a friend of mine who I do a version of normal RPG with, since he found them somewhere on the 'net, and think they were scanned versions of the magazine, or something. Will see if can find the place I downloaded them from bit later, and, reason for in fact saving them to text file version using PDF2Txt was that when it tells you to turn to a specific number, you just search for it in notepad, etc. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message --- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! From: dark d...@xgam.org Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:25:05 +0100 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Hi jacob. I've got the complete protius archive from http://outspaced.fightingfantasy.org/ they're rather fun though i wish you could get the propper ff books the way you can the lone wolf ones. I've played a couple cooperatively with a friend of mine who's a big fan, but annoyingly the company who are rereleasing them did not respond to my mail when I suggested they sell accessible electronic versions for pc as well as the print originals. that's why I'm hoping darkgrue is going to encourage people to write more gamebooks online. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! I've got some electronic copies of some proteus magazine gamebook things - need to upload them, but they do also need you to maintain a minor character sheet including hit points etc., and while they're not perfectly structured, think they're still playable. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol! Great job. I just downloaded this gamebook, played a few games, and its great. Thanks for writing this funny adventure. Reminds me of the old Choose Your Own Adventure stories from the 1980's. Does anyone remember those? In the Choose Your Own Adventure gamebooks you were given a story, and you were given options at the bottom of each page. Depending on the options you selected the book would end differently. I use to love reading them, because there were so many variations of the same story depending on choices it took several readings to find out what all the paths were. Some ended pretty quickly like explore the darkened room, and you stepped into a hole and fell to your death. Where if you ignored the darkened room you would move on in the story and be given two more choices until you got to one of the endings. It was great fun. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. A while ago I was having a discussion with a mad person on audiogames.net calling himself Aprone, about the difficulties of creating a gamebook with numbered sections to turn to when you suffer from a lack of eyeballs and cannot therefore use things like spider diagrams. With his usual ludicrous speed, Aprone came up with the solution, a program named Darkgrue, somehoe because of me ;d. Darkgrue will let you create a number of standard text files to be the sections of your book, linked by choices which each lead to another section. You can use the arrow keys to navigate around the pages, and do some clever things like copy and paste different choices or create a separate title for each section. With all the navigation taken care of, you are then free to use your imagination to open each file in notepad and come up with the actual book text. the program is self voicing, but also contains textual information, so probably would be of interest to any potential gamebook authors, as it could be a very useful tool. I began a humerous test adventure with darkgrue basically to test out the program. Being a simple game, it was to have no dice rolling, and just feature choices based on the odd item. As is often the case though, what was intended to be a comedy litle romp through a dungeon grew into a 90 odd section monstrosity with cast of monsters, puzles and generalized insanity! So here it is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939 For more about darkgrue, please go to Jeremy kaldobsky, aka Aprone's site on http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ Hope people enjoy the insanity
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Well, if you need any info just ask, since I know I didn't necessarily make everything explain itsself fully since was 'messing around' (to be honest)...smile...and it means hasn't really been tested by many other people who didn't know what it expects you to type, choose, etc. etc. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message --- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! From: dark d...@xgam.org Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:25:40 +0100 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org I'll have to take a look at the engine and see what can be done with it. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! That's what I've sort of done with my small RPG game engine done in python, including latest creation applet that makes it easier to put together game content. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Interesting enough that's kind of what I'd like to do myself, but instead of writing a gamebook in straight html I'd like to code it in C++ or maybe something simpler like Python and see how far I could get. By using something like Python, for example, I could have it do the rolls etc for me as well as keep track of items, character status, etc. Either that or I could code it in perl and add the game to a web page. There are all kinds of cool things we can do with gamebooks and make them pretty enjoyable. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Well that was the intention, though I must confess I was quite pleased with some ideas that turned up in the book, especially towards the end when I actually was trying as much for disturbing as for humourus. The next book which I've already started the bakcground on, is a much more complex and serious affair, with a distinct main character and what is I hope a relatively unique setting. with dungeons I was as much trying to test out the program as anything else, i just decided it was probably good enough for people to enjoy reading. Depending upon whether I'm allowd, I'm also hopefully entering dungeons into the gamebook competition at www.arborell.com, though sinse they usually only accept books formatted as a single rtf file, we'll have to see. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi jacob. I usually convert stuff to txt as well, for instance some of the lone wolf resources and a lot of the background materials to chronicles of arborell simply because adoby acrobat is annoying. However, i've actually found that with the versions of the protius books I have, you can actually click on the section numbers to be taken through just as in an html file. Those are the ones from outspaced that I've already shown. I've used the find number method before sinse a lot of gamebooks (including all the arborell competition ones), are presented as single text files, but with proteus it was a nice surprise. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
hmmm I wish we had the code ffproject uses. Ok you can cheat if you know the right number and as long as you are not dead yet. But its quite hard unless you look at the page. I wander if you could convert gamebooks to darkgrew though that would rock. At 06:11 p.m. 16/08/2011, you wrote: Hi Haiden. It's a gamebook, there is no coding in the background, just like in the original books, I'm relying upon player honesty to not use an item if they don't have it which is the way gamebooks work. People may cheat, though that rather negates the point of playing if your going to pretend you've got items you haven't, but there isn't really anything I can do about that in the books construction. The equally applies to any other gamebook as well. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol...I'm loving it. There is an issue though. The seven-headed Cerberus can be defeated with the bogstoppers whether youhave or have not opened the chest, I believe. So you might want to look into taking that choice out. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol! Great job. I just downloaded this gamebook, played a few games, and its great. Thanks for writing this funny adventure. Reminds me of the old Choose Your Own Adventure stories from the 1980's. Does anyone remember those? In the Choose Your Own Adventure gamebooks you were given a story, and you were given options at the bottom of each page. Depending on the options you selected the book would end differently. I use to love reading them, because there were so many variations of the same story depending on choices it took several readings to find out what all the paths were. Some ended pretty quickly like explore the darkened room, and you stepped into a hole and fell to your death. Where if you ignored the darkened room you would move on in the story and be given two more choices until you got to one of the endings. It was great fun. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. A while ago I was having a discussion with a mad person on audiogames.net calling himself Aprone, about the difficulties of creating a gamebook with numbered sections to turn to when you suffer from a lack of eyeballs and cannot therefore use things like spider diagrams. With his usual ludicrous speed, Aprone came up with the solution, a program named Darkgrue, somehoe because of me ;d. Darkgrue will let you create a number of standard text files to be the sections of your book, linked by choices which each lead to another section. You can use the arrow keys to navigate around the pages, and do some clever things like copy and paste different choices or create a separate title for each section. With all the navigation taken care of, you are then free to use your imagination to open each file in notepad and come up with the actual book text. the program is self voicing, but also contains textual information, so probably would be of interest to any potential gamebook authors, as it could be a very useful tool. I began a humerous test adventure with darkgrue basically to test out the program. Being a simple game, it was to have no dice rolling, and just feature choices based on the odd item. As is often the case though, what was intended to be a comedy litle romp through a dungeon grew into a 90 odd section monstrosity with cast of monsters, puzles and generalized insanity! So here it is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939 For more about darkgrue, please go to Jeremy kaldobsky, aka Aprone's site on http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ Hope people enjoy the insanity of the book, and also get some fun out of darkgrue. I do have plans (and have already started writing), for a far more serious book next, which will also feature a unique stats system including combat and character attributes, and will be set in it's own rather distinct world. stil, I hope people have fun with dungeons. if you get stuck, please look in the readme for some general hints, and if your extremely stuck, i'm willing to answer questions, though I hope the puzles are all doable. All the best, dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
well if I could get all these books from jakob and dark and somehow have all the stuff in html format so when I click things it will jump to that point that will rock. At 07:41 p.m. 16/08/2011, you wrote: Hi jacob. I usually convert stuff to txt as well, for instance some of the lone wolf resources and a lot of the background materials to chronicles of arborell simply because adoby acrobat is annoying. However, i've actually found that with the versions of the protius books I have, you can actually click on the section numbers to be taken through just as in an html file. Those are the ones from outspaced that I've already shown. I've used the find number method before sinse a lot of gamebooks (including all the arborell competition ones), are presented as single text files, but with proteus it was a nice surprise. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
I'm not sure what you mean 9convert), sean. if you mean convert original fighting fatnasy, well it'd take a scanner and lots of work i think, as well as probably bringing down the wrath of the publishers upon you. As to the ffproject code, well again darkgrue just doesn't have the stat tracking. Remember ffproject uses only the standard fighting fantasy rules, and none of the books have things like character skills the way the lone wolf or arborell books do, pluss combat with the ff system is comparatively uninteresting anyway. The stats system i plan for my next book has some slightly unique factors that would be hard to do with the ffproject system. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! hmmm I wish we had the code ffproject uses. Ok you can cheat if you know the right number and as long as you are not dead yet. But its quite hard unless you look at the page. I wander if you could convert gamebooks to darkgrew though that would rock. At 06:11 p.m. 16/08/2011, you wrote: Hi Haiden. It's a gamebook, there is no coding in the background, just like in the original books, I'm relying upon player honesty to not use an item if they don't have it which is the way gamebooks work. People may cheat, though that rather negates the point of playing if your going to pretend you've got items you haven't, but there isn't really anything I can do about that in the books construction. The equally applies to any other gamebook as well. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol...I'm loving it. There is an issue though. The seven-headed Cerberus can be defeated with the bogstoppers whether youhave or have not opened the chest, I believe. So you might want to look into taking that choice out. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol! Great job. I just downloaded this gamebook, played a few games, and its great. Thanks for writing this funny adventure. Reminds me of the old Choose Your Own Adventure stories from the 1980's. Does anyone remember those? In the Choose Your Own Adventure gamebooks you were given a story, and you were given options at the bottom of each page. Depending on the options you selected the book would end differently. I use to love reading them, because there were so many variations of the same story depending on choices it took several readings to find out what all the paths were. Some ended pretty quickly like explore the darkened room, and you stepped into a hole and fell to your death. Where if you ignored the darkened room you would move on in the story and be given two more choices until you got to one of the endings. It was great fun. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. A while ago I was having a discussion with a mad person on audiogames.net calling himself Aprone, about the difficulties of creating a gamebook with numbered sections to turn to when you suffer from a lack of eyeballs and cannot therefore use things like spider diagrams. With his usual ludicrous speed, Aprone came up with the solution, a program named Darkgrue, somehoe because of me ;d. Darkgrue will let you create a number of standard text files to be the sections of your book, linked by choices which each lead to another section. You can use the arrow keys to navigate around the pages, and do some clever things like copy and paste different choices or create a separate title for each section. With all the navigation taken care of, you are then free to use your imagination to open each file in notepad and come up with the actual book text. the program is self voicing, but also contains textual information, so probably would be of interest to any potential gamebook authors, as it could be a very useful tool. I began a humerous test adventure with darkgrue basically to test out the program. Being a simple game, it was to have no dice rolling, and just feature choices based on the odd item. As is often the case though, what was intended to be a comedy litle romp through a dungeon grew into a 90 odd section monstrosity with cast of monsters, puzles and generalized insanity! So here it is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939 For more about darkgrue, please go to Jeremy kaldobsky, aka Aprone's site on http://www.kaldobsky.com
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
where can I get all your books? if you could upload the archive to me that would rock. At 08:10 p.m. 16/08/2011, you wrote: I'm not sure what you mean 9convert), sean. if you mean convert original fighting fatnasy, well it'd take a scanner and lots of work i think, as well as probably bringing down the wrath of the publishers upon you. As to the ffproject code, well again darkgrue just doesn't have the stat tracking. Remember ffproject uses only the standard fighting fantasy rules, and none of the books have things like character skills the way the lone wolf or arborell books do, pluss combat with the ff system is comparatively uninteresting anyway. The stats system i plan for my next book has some slightly unique factors that would be hard to do with the ffproject system. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! hmmm I wish we had the code ffproject uses. Ok you can cheat if you know the right number and as long as you are not dead yet. But its quite hard unless you look at the page. I wander if you could convert gamebooks to darkgrew though that would rock. At 06:11 p.m. 16/08/2011, you wrote: Hi Haiden. It's a gamebook, there is no coding in the background, just like in the original books, I'm relying upon player honesty to not use an item if they don't have it which is the way gamebooks work. People may cheat, though that rather negates the point of playing if your going to pretend you've got items you haven't, but there isn't really anything I can do about that in the books construction. The equally applies to any other gamebook as well. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol...I'm loving it. There is an issue though. The seven-headed Cerberus can be defeated with the bogstoppers whether youhave or have not opened the chest, I believe. So you might want to look into taking that choice out. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol! Great job. I just downloaded this gamebook, played a few games, and its great. Thanks for writing this funny adventure. Reminds me of the old Choose Your Own Adventure stories from the 1980's. Does anyone remember those? In the Choose Your Own Adventure gamebooks you were given a story, and you were given options at the bottom of each page. Depending on the options you selected the book would end differently. I use to love reading them, because there were so many variations of the same story depending on choices it took several readings to find out what all the paths were. Some ended pretty quickly like explore the darkened room, and you stepped into a hole and fell to your death. Where if you ignored the darkened room you would move on in the story and be given two more choices until you got to one of the endings. It was great fun. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. A while ago I was having a discussion with a mad person on audiogames.net calling himself Aprone, about the difficulties of creating a gamebook with numbered sections to turn to when you suffer from a lack of eyeballs and cannot therefore use things like spider diagrams. With his usual ludicrous speed, Aprone came up with the solution, a program named Darkgrue, somehoe because of me ;d. Darkgrue will let you create a number of standard text files to be the sections of your book, linked by choices which each lead to another section. You can use the arrow keys to navigate around the pages, and do some clever things like copy and paste different choices or create a separate title for each section. With all the navigation taken care of, you are then free to use your imagination to open each file in notepad and come up with the actual book text. the program is self voicing, but also contains textual information, so probably would be of interest to any potential gamebook authors, as it could be a very useful tool. I began a humerous test adventure with darkgrue basically to test out the program. Being a simple game, it was to have no dice rolling, and just feature choices based on the odd item. As is often the case though, what was intended to be a comedy litle romp through a dungeon grew into a 90 odd section monstrosity with cast of monsters, puzles and generalized insanity! So here it is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Well asi SAID SEAN, THE COPIES OF THE OLD PROTEUS mags I have do do that, even in pdf format. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! well if I could get all these books from jakob and dark and somehow have all the stuff in html format so when I click things it will jump to that point that will rock. At 07:41 p.m. 16/08/2011, you wrote: Hi jacob. I usually convert stuff to txt as well, for instance some of the lone wolf resources and a lot of the background materials to chronicles of arborell simply because adoby acrobat is annoying. However, i've actually found that with the versions of the protius books I have, you can actually click on the section numbers to be taken through just as in an html file. Those are the ones from outspaced that I've already shown. I've used the find number method before sinse a lot of gamebooks (including all the arborell competition ones), are presented as single text files, but with proteus it was a nice surprise. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
The ones I have here don't have links in them - just text - so you'd still have to search for the next section number, but anyway. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message --- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook,The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:14:34 +1200 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org well if I could get all these books from jakob and dark and somehow have all the stuff in html format so when I click things it will jump to that point that will rock. At 07:41 p.m. 16/08/2011, you wrote: Hi jacob. I usually convert stuff to txt as well, for instance some of the lone wolf resources and a lot of the background materials to chronicles of arborell simply because adoby acrobat is annoying. However, i've actually found that with the versions of the protius books I have, you can actually click on the section numbers to be taken through just as in an html file. Those are the ones from outspaced that I've already shown. I've used the find number method before sinse a lot of gamebooks (including all the arborell competition ones), are presented as single text files, but with proteus it was a nice surprise. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Here is where I downloaded the link free ones from: http://outspaced.fightingfantasy.org/Proteus.html Like said, I'll just strip these to text files, and use search in notepad or something, but, yes, linked ones would be bit simpler/easy. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message --- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook,The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! From: Jacob Kruger bandi...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:41:41 +0200 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org The ones I have here don't have links in them - just text - so you'd still have to search for the next section number, but anyway. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message --- Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook,The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:14:34 +1200 To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org well if I could get all these books from jakob and dark and somehow have all the stuff in html format so when I click things it will jump to that point that will rock. At 07:41 p.m. 16/08/2011, you wrote: Hi jacob. I usually convert stuff to txt as well, for instance some of the lone wolf resources and a lot of the background materials to chronicles of arborell simply because adoby acrobat is annoying. However, i've actually found that with the versions of the protius books I have, you can actually click on the section numbers to be taken through just as in an html file. Those are the ones from outspaced that I've already shown. I've used the find number method before sinse a lot of gamebooks (including all the arborell competition ones), are presented as single text files, but with proteus it was a nice surprise. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
If you mean books I've written, your looking at it! As I said, darkgrue was what gave me the ability to handle the sections. For other books, go to www.arborell.com, the main books are in html. http://outspaced.fightingfantasy.org/ where you can get the old proteus and other mags. Then of course there is the download page at ffproject, and the competition page at arborell.com, though the books there are generally one or other text format not html. so you need to use the find function. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! where can I get all your books? if you could upload the archive to me that would rock. At 08:10 p.m. 16/08/2011, you wrote: I'm not sure what you mean 9convert), sean. if you mean convert original fighting fatnasy, well it'd take a scanner and lots of work i think, as well as probably bringing down the wrath of the publishers upon you. As to the ffproject code, well again darkgrue just doesn't have the stat tracking. Remember ffproject uses only the standard fighting fantasy rules, and none of the books have things like character skills the way the lone wolf or arborell books do, pluss combat with the ff system is comparatively uninteresting anyway. The stats system i plan for my next book has some slightly unique factors that would be hard to do with the ffproject system. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss sm.ever...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! hmmm I wish we had the code ffproject uses. Ok you can cheat if you know the right number and as long as you are not dead yet. But its quite hard unless you look at the page. I wander if you could convert gamebooks to darkgrew though that would rock. At 06:11 p.m. 16/08/2011, you wrote: Hi Haiden. It's a gamebook, there is no coding in the background, just like in the original books, I'm relying upon player honesty to not use an item if they don't have it which is the way gamebooks work. People may cheat, though that rather negates the point of playing if your going to pretend you've got items you haven't, but there isn't really anything I can do about that in the books construction. The equally applies to any other gamebook as well. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Hayden Presley hdpres...@hotmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol...I'm loving it. There is an issue though. The seven-headed Cerberus can be defeated with the bogstoppers whether youhave or have not opened the chest, I believe. So you might want to look into taking that choice out. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol! Great job. I just downloaded this gamebook, played a few games, and its great. Thanks for writing this funny adventure. Reminds me of the old Choose Your Own Adventure stories from the 1980's. Does anyone remember those? In the Choose Your Own Adventure gamebooks you were given a story, and you were given options at the bottom of each page. Depending on the options you selected the book would end differently. I use to love reading them, because there were so many variations of the same story depending on choices it took several readings to find out what all the paths were. Some ended pretty quickly like explore the darkened room, and you stepped into a hole and fell to your death. Where if you ignored the darkened room you would move on in the story and be given two more choices until you got to one of the endings. It was great fun. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. A while ago I was having a discussion with a mad person on audiogames.net calling himself Aprone, about the difficulties of creating a gamebook with numbered sections to turn to when you suffer from a lack of eyeballs and cannot therefore use things like spider diagrams. With his usual ludicrous speed, Aprone came up with the solution, a program named Darkgrue, somehoe because of me ;d. Darkgrue will let you create a number of standard text files to be the sections of your book, linked by choices which each lead to another section. You can use the arrow keys to navigate around the pages, and do some clever things like copy and paste different choices or create a separate
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi, Yeah, I know the feeling. There were a number of times I was aware of something bad would happen, but I chose that option anyway just to see what would happen for kicks. For instance, the fire exit. I figured given Dark's quarky sense of humor that instead of being an exit from the dungeon a fire exit meant you'd die in some horable way. All the same I had to open the door just once to see what would happen, and sure enough I got roasted alive. Lol! Thing is the gamebook is such a crazy and silly game you just have to open all the doors, look in every room, and try every option just for laughs if for no other reason. I completed the game, but got lots of laughs out of it along the way. cheers! On 8/15/11, Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za wrote: yup, but will also be honest, and say that a few times, although you're pretty sure it's not the best idea, you still want to know what's going to happen when you try something, or go somewhere...the wonders of being in a virtual world, instead of the 'real' one...smile Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Dark, Yeah, I know. There is of course a certain amount of fun in doing your own rolling and personal stat tracking as that goes back to the classic gamebooks of the 80's and 90's when you purchased a gamebook from the store and did your own stat tracking and dice rolling. All the same today a person can save themselves all that work just by writing the game in a basic scripting language like Python and have it roll dice, save your position, and of course keep track of weapons and armor in your inventory. It saves having to have notepad or something else open and keeping track of that stuff manually. There is a trade off between doing it all manually or letting the computer store all that info. I think once I get things squared away with MOTA I'm going to play around with various gamebook ideas I have and probably script them in Perl or Python and see where it takes me. They won't be commercial affairs, of course, but might be fun for players who want to while away an afternoon exploring a dark and foreboading wizards tower or exploring Count Vladimir's castle full of goblins, orcs, and other nasties. Gamebooks are to my mind still the most accessible and most entertaining type of game for us because they are so descriptive and can take hours to complete. Cheers! On 8/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. It'd be nice to have stats and such in the background and also jigger the choices so that if you didn't have an item choices connected with it wouldn't show up. That's the way the books on the ff project work, and also what age of fable does. However obviously i don't have those skills myself. Darkgrue is primarily an html editer. While We have discussed adding stat tracking, it was felt that sinse different players will want to use different types of stats, things should just be left up to the player to design a dice rolling system. I know there are people who won't play gamebooks if they don't automatically do the dice rolling and stat tracking, though imho they are just doing themselves out of a lot of good stuff this way. The gamebooks on www.arborell.com are some of the best I've ever seen, the writing and world are amazing. However the gm is not a programmer therefore you need to do your own dice rolling. This isn't to say though that something with auto stat tracking and dice rolling isn't worth doing, because obviously when your designging it for a computer to do, you can make a far more complex system than would be possible when your asking the player to keep track of it which is a distinct advantage. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Well actually the fire exit is probably the only place in the book where one random choice can kill you. I really dislike gamebooks where it's a case of right or left door, right your dead! and there's no clue involved, you just die, house of horror on the fighting fantasy project site, and the novel it was based on house of hell are very bad for that. The fire exit though I thought was a bit of a no brainer, and just stuck it in for kicks, sinse I also tried to always make deaths as amusing as possible. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. Well if I had the skills to script stats I'd probably do that myself too, but as I don't it's easier to get players to do it, and because gamebooks can be written without knolidge of programming, it does mean people like the gm of chronicles of arborell, who's a truly amazing writer but has no skills in programming whatsoever can have their work available for people to play. Also, I myself don't particularly see dice rolling and keeping of a character sheet as actually so much work, though I have met people who catagorically reffuse to do it. I suppose sinse I have done a fair amount of tabletop rp, and indeed play a game of mutants and masterminds every saturday using Gma dice and ms word to write a character sheet, my perception might be different from other people. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Oh, I seem o recall a dcouple of other places where whatever you chose to do could and would likely kill you. Remember the spelling door with the goblins? I couldn't figure out the riddle, and so ended up just going down through the options one by one until I found the right one. That's cheating i know, but it seemed to me there were several right answers to that riddle, and death, time, fate, etc only ended up resulting in my immediate execution. So it seemed to me any random choice logical or not got me killed. The right answer was totally unexpected as far as I am concerned and was actually my last choice. G. On 8/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well actually the fire exit is probably the only place in the book where one random choice can kill you. I really dislike gamebooks where it's a case of right or left door, right your dead! and there's no clue involved, you just die, house of horror on the fighting fantasy project site, and the novel it was based on house of hell are very bad for that. The fire exit though I thought was a bit of a no brainer, and just stuck it in for kicks, sinse I also tried to always make deaths as amusing as possible. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Makes sense. You are use to keeping track of your stats were some of us, myself included, have gotten lazy over the years. It takes extra work to take the dice roll, add any bonus points to it, divide by 10, and subtract 2 etc. Its not complicated math, but if I can have a computer calculate a combat roll in milliseconds compared to me punching the stats into the calculater and calculating it so much the better. It makes the game go faster and doesn't break up the fflow for me having to calculate the stats and then write them down in Excel or whatever I'm using to keep track of my character stats. That's why I think whatever gamebooks I ever produce will involve some kind of scripting. That said, I don't particularly have a problem rolling my own dice and keeping a character sheet if the story or game is good enough. After all its that sense of adventure and fun that is the real attraction to any gamebook. Who knows I might create a rough draft of my ideas in say html and submit my own gamebook ideas for publication as well. Cheers! On 8/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Well if I had the skills to script stats I'd probably do that myself too, but as I don't it's easier to get players to do it, and because gamebooks can be written without knolidge of programming, it does mean people like the gm of chronicles of arborell, who's a truly amazing writer but has no skills in programming whatsoever can have their work available for people to play. Also, I myself don't particularly see dice rolling and keeping of a character sheet as actually so much work, though I have met people who catagorically reffuse to do it. I suppose sinse I have done a fair amount of tabletop rp, and indeed play a game of mutants and masterminds every saturday using Gma dice and ms word to write a character sheet, my perception might be different from other people. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. Well that was intended purely as a puzle question really. i actually tried the riddle on a friend of mine, and he got it second go, so I thought it was okay. While there are several answers that look right (afterall your character isn't supposed to be too stupid), the bit about holes and devices should've given it away, sinse those bits don't apply to time or any of the others. Also, as you might guess, it's a parady of gollum's last riddle in the hobbit as well ;D. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Oh, I seem o recall a dcouple of other places where whatever you chose to do could and would likely kill you. Remember the spelling door with the goblins? I couldn't figure out the riddle, and so ended up just going down through the options one by one until I found the right one. That's cheating i know, but it seemed to me there were several right answers to that riddle, and death, time, fate, etc only ended up resulting in my immediate execution. So it seemed to me any random choice logical or not got me killed. The right answer was totally unexpected as far as I am concerned and was actually my last choice. G. On 8/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Well actually the fire exit is probably the only place in the book where one random choice can kill you. I really dislike gamebooks where it's a case of right or left door, right your dead! and there's no clue involved, you just die, house of horror on the fighting fantasy project site, and the novel it was based on house of hell are very bad for that. The fire exit though I thought was a bit of a no brainer, and just stuck it in for kicks, sinse I also tried to always make deaths as amusing as possible. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. well actually the calculation isn't too bad, just basic addition and subtraction usually, and you can save yourself a lot of trouble by just writing stuff down. For instance, my character in mutants has an inteligence of 18 which gives him a pluss four to add to anything using inteligence, he's rpetty inteligent. His investigate skill has 8 points in it, which means when I decide to try rolling investigate (something that happens a lot for a super hero team), I add 12 onto my roll. therefore on my character sheet I've written Investigate, 8 (pluss 12). The first number is the number of points I have in the skill, the second is the actual number I add when i roll my D20. Thus the game progresses quite quickly as I don't have to constantly recalculate everything, and sinse my character for some things actually has two sets of stats sinse he gets his super hero powers from a sute of powered armour (which has hge amounts of weapons and other tricks), writing everything down before the game helps a great deal, sinse the gm will just say roll such and such and I can just roll my D20, add the right number and continue. I do the same with gamebook stats as well, calculating any numbers I need to roll and then writing them down at the start. Also, As in sryth, I keep a note of my combat value and hp at the top of the page, so that I can alter it as it changes through the course of the story. Certainly, stat tracking does help I'll agree, but I don't think it's completely necessary, and I must confess I get a litle irritated with people who reffuse to do it at all and therefore miss out on a lot of really good gamebooks. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hey. I downloaded the zip file but where's the game book? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Tom. well actually the calculation isn't too bad, just basic addition and subtraction usually, and you can save yourself a lot of trouble by just writing stuff down. For instance, my character in mutants has an inteligence of 18 which gives him a pluss four to add to anything using inteligence, he's rpetty inteligent. His investigate skill has 8 points in it, which means when I decide to try rolling investigate (something that happens a lot for a super hero team), I add 12 onto my roll. therefore on my character sheet I've written Investigate, 8 (pluss 12). The first number is the number of points I have in the skill, the second is the actual number I add when i roll my D20. Thus the game progresses quite quickly as I don't have to constantly recalculate everything, and sinse my character for some things actually has two sets of stats sinse he gets his super hero powers from a sute of powered armour (which has hge amounts of weapons and other tricks), writing everything down before the game helps a great deal, sinse the gm will just say roll such and such and I can just roll my D20, add the right number and continue. I do the same with gamebook stats as well, calculating any numbers I need to roll and then writing them down at the start. Also, As in sryth, I keep a note of my combat value and hp at the top of the page, so that I can alter it as it changes through the course of the story. Certainly, stat tracking does help I'll agree, but I don't think it's completely necessary, and I must confess I get a litle irritated with people who reffuse to do it at all and therefore miss out on a lot of really good gamebooks. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6382 (20110816) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6382 (20110816) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Dareen. Unzip the file, and then just open the index.html file in whatever brouser and go on from there. I thought I wrote as much in the readme actually. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hey. I downloaded the zip file but where's the game book? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Tom. well actually the calculation isn't too bad, just basic addition and subtraction usually, and you can save yourself a lot of trouble by just writing stuff down. For instance, my character in mutants has an inteligence of 18 which gives him a pluss four to add to anything using inteligence, he's rpetty inteligent. His investigate skill has 8 points in it, which means when I decide to try rolling investigate (something that happens a lot for a super hero team), I add 12 onto my roll. therefore on my character sheet I've written Investigate, 8 (pluss 12). The first number is the number of points I have in the skill, the second is the actual number I add when i roll my D20. Thus the game progresses quite quickly as I don't have to constantly recalculate everything, and sinse my character for some things actually has two sets of stats sinse he gets his super hero powers from a sute of powered armour (which has hge amounts of weapons and other tricks), writing everything down before the game helps a great deal, sinse the gm will just say roll such and such and I can just roll my D20, add the right number and continue. I do the same with gamebook stats as well, calculating any numbers I need to roll and then writing them down at the start. Also, As in sryth, I keep a note of my combat value and hp at the top of the page, so that I can alter it as it changes through the course of the story. Certainly, stat tracking does help I'll agree, but I don't think it's completely necessary, and I must confess I get a litle irritated with people who reffuse to do it at all and therefore miss out on a lot of really good gamebooks. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6382 (20110816) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6382 (20110816) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
HI Dark, I suppose. Although, as you said yourself there are plenty of people who would turn down a good gamebook adventure simply on the grounds that he or she has to roll their own dice and keep track of their stats. Its not such a big deal for me either if I have GMA Dice handy and notepad, Excel, whatever open and ready to store my character stats. That said, I've had thoughts of creating some custom gamebooks involving DC Comics and Marvel Comics super heroes that pick up with the game books I once had in the 80's and 90's when they were big. Well, I'm concerned if I just do them in html which is easy as pie to do there is quite a lot of gamers that would summarily reject them on the grounds that they have to roll their own dice, manually keep track of a character stat sheet, etc just like they would if they were playing the classic paper and pen games. Therefore to me it seems logical since I have the skill to add that automatic functionality to my gamebooks. Still, there is a lot of advantage in not doing all that work and just writing it in html or whatever. Cheers! On 8/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. well actually the calculation isn't too bad, just basic addition and subtraction usually, and you can save yourself a lot of trouble by just writing stuff down. For instance, my character in mutants has an inteligence of 18 which gives him a pluss four to add to anything using inteligence, he's rpetty inteligent. His investigate skill has 8 points in it, which means when I decide to try rolling investigate (something that happens a lot for a super hero team), I add 12 onto my roll. therefore on my character sheet I've written Investigate, 8 (pluss 12). The first number is the number of points I have in the skill, the second is the actual number I add when i roll my D20. Thus the game progresses quite quickly as I don't have to constantly recalculate everything, and sinse my character for some things actually has two sets of stats sinse he gets his super hero powers from a sute of powered armour (which has hge amounts of weapons and other tricks), writing everything down before the game helps a great deal, sinse the gm will just say roll such and such and I can just roll my D20, add the right number and continue. I do the same with gamebook stats as well, calculating any numbers I need to roll and then writing them down at the start. Also, As in sryth, I keep a note of my combat value and hp at the top of the page, so that I can alter it as it changes through the course of the story. Certainly, stat tracking does help I'll agree, but I don't think it's completely necessary, and I must confess I get a litle irritated with people who reffuse to do it at all and therefore miss out on a lot of really good gamebooks. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Maybe I have downloaded the wrong thing... I think what I have is just the game book maker -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dareen. Unzip the file, and then just open the index.html file in whatever brouser and go on from there. I thought I wrote as much in the readme actually. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hey. I downloaded the zip file but where's the game book? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Tom. well actually the calculation isn't too bad, just basic addition and subtraction usually, and you can save yourself a lot of trouble by just writing stuff down. For instance, my character in mutants has an inteligence of 18 which gives him a pluss four to add to anything using inteligence, he's rpetty inteligent. His investigate skill has 8 points in it, which means when I decide to try rolling investigate (something that happens a lot for a super hero team), I add 12 onto my roll. therefore on my character sheet I've written Investigate, 8 (pluss 12). The first number is the number of points I have in the skill, the second is the actual number I add when i roll my D20. Thus the game progresses quite quickly as I don't have to constantly recalculate everything, and sinse my character for some things actually has two sets of stats sinse he gets his super hero powers from a sute of powered armour (which has hge amounts of weapons and other tricks), writing everything down before the game helps a great deal, sinse the gm will just say roll such and such and I can just roll my D20, add the right number and continue. I do the same with gamebook stats as well, calculating any numbers I need to roll and then writing them down at the start. Also, As in sryth, I keep a note of my combat value and hp at the top of the page, so that I can alter it as it changes through the course of the story. Certainly, stat tracking does help I'll agree, but I don't think it's completely necessary, and I must confess I get a litle irritated with people who reffuse to do it at all and therefore miss out on a lot of really good gamebooks. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6382 (20110816) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6382 (20110816) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6382 (20110816) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6383 (20110816) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6383 (20110816) information _ This message was checked
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Tom. well if you can script things, doing it does make sense provided it doesn't create too much extra work. Interestingly enough, this question came up in connection with darkgrue, as someone people wanted Aprone to add some sort of generic stats system the way the ff project books use the fighting fantasy one. However my probleem with that is it takes away from authors creativity. for instance, in the book i'm planning, you have two stats called social and reputation. Your reputation goes up when you do something people aprove of. social is used like combat rolls when trying to persuade people, ask leading questions, or fool people with a disguise, and can therefore change radicaly according to what your wearing, if you have a visible weapon about your person etc. furthermore, sometimes your reputation will help you by adding to your social stat, but sometimes it will be harmful and make social rolls more difficult, sinse obviously trying to disguise yourself is more difficult when you are well known. All this is pretty easy in a standard html gamebook sinse I can just give the correct instructions for each situation, eg when trying to disguise yourself if your reputation is five or greater take 2 from the roll, if more than 8 take three but obviously I I had to work within a specifically created rules set it would be more difficult to do this, or possibly impossible. Obviuusly though if your scripting this doesn't apply, sinse your in charge of the coding and not being forced to obey someone else's rules, though i do stil wonder how easy handling unusual situations like this is. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Darren. Well you can download the dungeons book from http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939 As i said to start, just open the inex.html file. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Maybe I have downloaded the wrong thing... I think what I have is just the game book maker -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dareen. Unzip the file, and then just open the index.html file in whatever brouser and go on from there. I thought I wrote as much in the readme actually. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hey. I downloaded the zip file but where's the game book? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Tom. well actually the calculation isn't too bad, just basic addition and subtraction usually, and you can save yourself a lot of trouble by just writing stuff down. For instance, my character in mutants has an inteligence of 18 which gives him a pluss four to add to anything using inteligence, he's rpetty inteligent. His investigate skill has 8 points in it, which means when I decide to try rolling investigate (something that happens a lot for a super hero team), I add 12 onto my roll. therefore on my character sheet I've written Investigate, 8 (pluss 12). The first number is the number of points I have in the skill, the second is the actual number I add when i roll my D20. Thus the game progresses quite quickly as I don't have to constantly recalculate everything, and sinse my character for some things actually has two sets of stats sinse he gets his super hero powers from a sute of powered armour (which has hge amounts of weapons and other tricks), writing everything down before the game helps a great deal, sinse the gm will just say roll such and such and I can just roll my D20, add the right number and continue. I do the same with gamebook stats as well, calculating any numbers I need to roll and then writing them down at the start. Also, As in sryth, I keep a note of my combat value and hp at the top of the page, so that I can alter it as it changes through the course of the story. Certainly, stat tracking does help I'll agree, but I don't think it's completely necessary, and I must confess I get a litle irritated with people who reffuse to do it at all and therefore miss out on a lot of really good gamebooks. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6382 (20110816) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6382 (20110816) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6382 (20110816) information
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
I have indeed done so, and beaten it. Very well done I might add. You have a knack for being funny. Lol! -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:34 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Darren. Well you can download the dungeons book from http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939 As i said to start, just open the inex.html file. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Maybe I have downloaded the wrong thing... I think what I have is just the game book maker -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:18 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dareen. Unzip the file, and then just open the index.html file in whatever brouser and go on from there. I thought I wrote as much in the readme actually. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hey. I downloaded the zip file but where's the game book? -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 12:36 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Tom. well actually the calculation isn't too bad, just basic addition and subtraction usually, and you can save yourself a lot of trouble by just writing stuff down. For instance, my character in mutants has an inteligence of 18 which gives him a pluss four to add to anything using inteligence, he's rpetty inteligent. His investigate skill has 8 points in it, which means when I decide to try rolling investigate (something that happens a lot for a super hero team), I add 12 onto my roll. therefore on my character sheet I've written Investigate, 8 (pluss 12). The first number is the number of points I have in the skill, the second is the actual number I add when i roll my D20. Thus the game progresses quite quickly as I don't have to constantly recalculate everything, and sinse my character for some things actually has two sets of stats sinse he gets his super hero powers from a sute of powered armour (which has hge amounts of weapons and other tricks), writing everything down before the game helps a great deal, sinse the gm will just say roll such and such and I can just roll my D20, add the right number and continue. I do the same with gamebook stats as well, calculating any numbers I need to roll and then writing them down at the start. Also, As in sryth, I keep a note of my combat value and hp at the top of the page, so that I can alter it as it changes through the course of the story. Certainly, stat tracking does help I'll agree, but I don't think it's completely necessary, and I must confess I get a litle irritated with people who reffuse to do it at all and therefore miss out on a lot of really good gamebooks. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. _ NOD32 EMON 6382 (20110816) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com _ NOD32 EMON 6382 (20110816) information _ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
HI Darren, If you downloaded the right thing you should get a file called Dungeon.zip. If you unzip that to a place on your hard drive you should get several html files and a readme file. To start the game just click on index.html. HTH On 8/16/11, Darren Duff duff...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I have downloaded the wrong thing... I think what I have is just the game book maker --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Dark,
That pretty much goes without saying. Yeah, I wouldn't want to be
stuck with a generic set of stats or rules either. I've played enough
RPG games and gamebooks to know that stats can be very different based
on story and plot.
For example, I would not expect a game like Sryth to have stats for
x-ray vision, freeze breath, and super human strength because it isn't
apart of that fantasy game world. However, if I were playing a
gamebook based on the DC Comic heroes and villains I'd expect Superman
to have those very stats as part of his character bio. So generic
stats clearly wouldn't do between those two genres. So, yeah, I agree
that that would largely harm a gamebook creators creativity by having
to stick to some generic stats that may or may not apply.
As for handling unusual situations in a scripting language a developer
would use a compound if statement to handle all of the possibilities
he/she can think of. Its certainly a lot more work than just giving
the person the rules and letting them figure it out on their own, but
its not that difficult to cover a wide range of possibilities if you
are use to nested conditional statements. Here is an example in C++.
if (disguise == ROBE
reputation = 5
reputation 8)
{
// Do something
}
if (disguise == ROBE
reputation = 8)
{
// Do something
}
else
{
// Do something else
}
As you can se that should or would cover most situations with the
robe. If you had another disguise I would create an identical set of
if statements to handle that article of clothing. Its no biggy.
Programming alot of the time is very straight forward and logical. It
uses the same kind of thought process you would use playing that game
with paper and pen only you are writing out the ssteps or the
instructions for the computer to do it automatically for you every
time those conditions are encountered.
Cheers!
On 8/16/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote:
Hi Tom.
well if you can script things, doing it does make sense provided it doesn't
create too much extra work.
Interestingly enough, this question came up in connection with darkgrue, as
someone people wanted Aprone to add some sort of generic stats system the
way the ff project books use the fighting fantasy one.
However my probleem with that is it takes away from authors creativity.
for instance, in the book i'm planning, you have two stats called social and
reputation. Your reputation goes up when you do something people aprove of.
social is used like combat rolls when trying to persuade people, ask leading
questions, or fool people with a disguise, and can therefore change radicaly
according to what your wearing, if you have a visible weapon about your
person etc. furthermore, sometimes your reputation will help you by adding
to your social stat, but sometimes it will be harmful and make social rolls
more difficult, sinse obviously trying to disguise yourself is more
difficult when you are well known.
All this is pretty easy in a standard html gamebook sinse I can just give
the correct instructions for each situation, eg when trying to disguise
yourself if your reputation is five or greater take 2 from the roll, if
more than 8 take three but obviously I I had to work within a specifically
created rules set it would be more difficult to do this, or possibly
impossible.
Obviuusly though if your scripting this doesn't apply, sinse your in charge
of the coding and not being forced to obey someone else's rules, though i do
stil wonder how easy handling unusual situations like this is.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
yeah I really hate house of horror. I manage to role the skills I need, I have luck on my side I am strong. I have past all the traps and got the super weapons. Now I kill the boss and die. I guess I have to kill his weaker guy first but its tricky. Worse still even if I do succeed I get killed by the rest of the gang and there is no other exit bar continuation or death. At 02:58 a.m. 17/08/2011, you wrote: Well actually the fire exit is probably the only place in the book where one random choice can kill you. I really dislike gamebooks where it's a case of right or left door, right your dead! and there's no clue involved, you just die, house of horror on the fighting fantasy project site, and the novel it was based on house of hell are very bad for that. The fire exit though I thought was a bit of a no brainer, and just stuck it in for kicks, sinse I also tried to always make deaths as amusing as possible. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi. A while ago I was having a discussion with a mad person on audiogames.net calling himself Aprone, about the difficulties of creating a gamebook with numbered sections to turn to when you suffer from a lack of eyeballs and cannot therefore use things like spider diagrams. With his usual ludicrous speed, Aprone came up with the solution, a program named Darkgrue, somehoe because of me ;d. Darkgrue will let you create a number of standard text files to be the sections of your book, linked by choices which each lead to another section. You can use the arrow keys to navigate around the pages, and do some clever things like copy and paste different choices or create a separate title for each section. With all the navigation taken care of, you are then free to use your imagination to open each file in notepad and come up with the actual book text. the program is self voicing, but also contains textual information, so probably would be of interest to any potential gamebook authors, as it could be a very useful tool. I began a humerous test adventure with darkgrue basically to test out the program. Being a simple game, it was to have no dice rolling, and just feature choices based on the odd item. As is often the case though, what was intended to be a comedy litle romp through a dungeon grew into a 90 odd section monstrosity with cast of monsters, puzles and generalized insanity! So here it is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939 For more about darkgrue, please go to Jeremy kaldobsky, aka Aprone's site on http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ Hope people enjoy the insanity of the book, and also get some fun out of darkgrue. I do have plans (and have already started writing), for a far more serious book next, which will also feature a unique stats system including combat and character attributes, and will be set in it's own rather distinct world. stil, I hope people have fun with dungeons. if you get stuck, please look in the readme for some general hints, and if your extremely stuck, i'm willing to answer questions, though I hope the puzles are all doable. All the best, dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
LOL! Only gone through about 4 choices, but love the writing style...smile Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers@audyssey.org Cc: chroniclesofarbor...@yahoogroups.com; entombedg...@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 7:23 PM Subject: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi. A while ago I was having a discussion with a mad person on audiogames.net calling himself Aprone, about the difficulties of creating a gamebook with numbered sections to turn to when you suffer from a lack of eyeballs and cannot therefore use things like spider diagrams. With his usual ludicrous speed, Aprone came up with the solution, a program named Darkgrue, somehoe because of me ;d. Darkgrue will let you create a number of standard text files to be the sections of your book, linked by choices which each lead to another section. You can use the arrow keys to navigate around the pages, and do some clever things like copy and paste different choices or create a separate title for each section. With all the navigation taken care of, you are then free to use your imagination to open each file in notepad and come up with the actual book text. the program is self voicing, but also contains textual information, so probably would be of interest to any potential gamebook authors, as it could be a very useful tool. I began a humerous test adventure with darkgrue basically to test out the program. Being a simple game, it was to have no dice rolling, and just feature choices based on the odd item. As is often the case though, what was intended to be a comedy litle romp through a dungeon grew into a 90 odd section monstrosity with cast of monsters, puzles and generalized insanity! So here it is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939 For more about darkgrue, please go to Jeremy kaldobsky, aka Aprone's site on http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ Hope people enjoy the insanity of the book, and also get some fun out of darkgrue. I do have plans (and have already started writing), for a far more serious book next, which will also feature a unique stats system including combat and character attributes, and will be set in it's own rather distinct world. stil, I hope people have fun with dungeons. if you get stuck, please look in the readme for some general hints, and if your extremely stuck, i'm willing to answer questions, though I hope the puzles are all doable. All the best, dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Thanks Jacob, I'm glad your finding it fun. I tried to make the deaths as humerous as possible, so as to give you at least some compensation for dying and (theoretically), starting again. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Ok, just finished it off - after a few tries, and, excellent! Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Thanks Jacob, I'm glad your finding it fun. I tried to make the deaths as humerous as possible, so as to give you at least some compensation for dying and (theoretically), starting again. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Ah Jacob, I'm glad you managed to finish it, it proves my puzles weren't too obscure, but if you had to try several times it proves things weren't too easy either. Glad you liked it. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Ok, just finished it off - after a few tries, and, excellent! Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Thanks Jacob, I'm glad your finding it fun. I tried to make the deaths as humerous as possible, so as to give you at least some compensation for dying and (theoretically), starting again. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Dark, Lol! Great job. I just downloaded this gamebook, played a few games, and its great. Thanks for writing this funny adventure. Reminds me of the old Choose Your Own Adventure stories from the 1980's. Does anyone remember those? In the Choose Your Own Adventure gamebooks you were given a story, and you were given options at the bottom of each page. Depending on the options you selected the book would end differently. I use to love reading them, because there were so many variations of the same story depending on choices it took several readings to find out what all the paths were. Some ended pretty quickly like explore the darkened room, and you stepped into a hole and fell to your death. Where if you ignored the darkened room you would move on in the story and be given two more choices until you got to one of the endings. It was great fun. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. A while ago I was having a discussion with a mad person on audiogames.net calling himself Aprone, about the difficulties of creating a gamebook with numbered sections to turn to when you suffer from a lack of eyeballs and cannot therefore use things like spider diagrams. With his usual ludicrous speed, Aprone came up with the solution, a program named Darkgrue, somehoe because of me ;d. Darkgrue will let you create a number of standard text files to be the sections of your book, linked by choices which each lead to another section. You can use the arrow keys to navigate around the pages, and do some clever things like copy and paste different choices or create a separate title for each section. With all the navigation taken care of, you are then free to use your imagination to open each file in notepad and come up with the actual book text. the program is self voicing, but also contains textual information, so probably would be of interest to any potential gamebook authors, as it could be a very useful tool. I began a humerous test adventure with darkgrue basically to test out the program. Being a simple game, it was to have no dice rolling, and just feature choices based on the odd item. As is often the case though, what was intended to be a comedy litle romp through a dungeon grew into a 90 odd section monstrosity with cast of monsters, puzles and generalized insanity! So here it is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939 For more about darkgrue, please go to Jeremy kaldobsky, aka Aprone's site on http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ Hope people enjoy the insanity of the book, and also get some fun out of darkgrue. I do have plans (and have already started writing), for a far more serious book next, which will also feature a unique stats system including combat and character attributes, and will be set in it's own rather distinct world. stil, I hope people have fun with dungeons. if you get stuck, please look in the readme for some general hints, and if your extremely stuck, i'm willing to answer questions, though I hope the puzles are all doable. All the best, dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Tom. I'm glad you like. as I said I began this as a simple project to test the darkgrue program, but it sort of took off. Normally i'd include the sort of minimal dice rolling and stats you see in something like the lone wolf or fighting fantasy books, and certainly my next book will include them, but here I was just concerned with making the structure of things to test out the program. I've heard of the cyoa books, but never had any experience of them at all. There are a couple of sites I dug up that have some sort of public software for creating purely cyoa based stuff, but everything I've seen written on them has been pretty dreadful quality. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Dark, Yeah, unfortunately other people tried to copy the CYOA format, but only the original 14 books or so were any good. Once other authors got into the act they didn't really produce anything to the same degree or quality of the classic CYOA books. Anyway, I figured you would get into dice rolling and the alike once you got a little experience developing your own gamebooks in html. However, I do think this gamebook was a good, if a bit silly, first game book. It was certainly funny from the moment the game character finds an old laidy serving magic doughnuts on. On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. I'm glad you like. as I said I began this as a simple project to test the darkgrue program, but it sort of took off. Normally i'd include the sort of minimal dice rolling and stats you see in something like the lone wolf or fighting fantasy books, and certainly my next book will include them, but here I was just concerned with making the structure of things to test out the program. I've heard of the cyoa books, but never had any experience of them at all. There are a couple of sites I dug up that have some sort of public software for creating purely cyoa based stuff, but everything I've seen written on them has been pretty dreadful quality. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tom. Well that was the intention, though I must confess I was quite pleased with some ideas that turned up in the book, especially towards the end when I actually was trying as much for disturbing as for humourus. The next book which I've already started the bakcground on, is a much more complex and serious affair, with a distinct main character and what is I hope a relatively unique setting. with dungeons I was as much trying to test out the program as anything else, i just decided it was probably good enough for people to enjoy reading. Depending upon whether I'm allowd, I'm also hopefully entering dungeons into the gamebook competition at www.arborell.com, though sinse they usually only accept books formatted as a single rtf file, we'll have to see. Beware the grue! ark. d --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Formatted as a single RTF file? Dark, do you have an example of that for me to take a look at? If they end up having that as a requirement, I'm sure I can slap a converter together and add it to DarkGrue so you can still submit your story. Hi Tom. Well that was the intention, though I must confess I was quite pleased with some ideas that turned up in the book, especially towards the end when I actually was trying as much for disturbing as for humourus. The next book which I've already started the bakcground on, is a much more complex and serious affair, with a distinct main character and what is I hope a relatively unique setting. with dungeons I was as much trying to test out the program as anything else, i just decided it was probably good enough for people to enjoy reading. Depending upon whether I'm allowd, I'm also hopefully entering dungeons into the gamebook competition at www.arborell.com, though sinse they usually only accept books formatted as a single rtf file, we'll have to see. Beware the grue! ark. d --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
HI jeremy. Just download last years competition entries from www.arborell com, and you'll see. My one concern with a converter is how it's going to stick in section numbers, eg to enter the right door turn to section 43. It'd have to actually number each section, print it, scramble the order then stick the numbers in each choice leading to a section, which may be possible but sounds horribly complex to me. I have however asked the gm of arborell who runs the competition and is actually a very nice fellow, if submitting in html is okay, sinse personally i'd actually prefer books in html where you just have to click to go to different sections rather than muck about with find commands. We'll see what he says. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Dark, Lol...I'm loving it. There is an issue though. The seven-headed Cerberus can be defeated with the bogstoppers whether youhave or have not opened the chest, I believe. So you might want to look into taking that choice out. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol! Great job. I just downloaded this gamebook, played a few games, and its great. Thanks for writing this funny adventure. Reminds me of the old Choose Your Own Adventure stories from the 1980's. Does anyone remember those? In the Choose Your Own Adventure gamebooks you were given a story, and you were given options at the bottom of each page. Depending on the options you selected the book would end differently. I use to love reading them, because there were so many variations of the same story depending on choices it took several readings to find out what all the paths were. Some ended pretty quickly like explore the darkened room, and you stepped into a hole and fell to your death. Where if you ignored the darkened room you would move on in the story and be given two more choices until you got to one of the endings. It was great fun. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. A while ago I was having a discussion with a mad person on audiogames.net calling himself Aprone, about the difficulties of creating a gamebook with numbered sections to turn to when you suffer from a lack of eyeballs and cannot therefore use things like spider diagrams. With his usual ludicrous speed, Aprone came up with the solution, a program named Darkgrue, somehoe because of me ;d. Darkgrue will let you create a number of standard text files to be the sections of your book, linked by choices which each lead to another section. You can use the arrow keys to navigate around the pages, and do some clever things like copy and paste different choices or create a separate title for each section. With all the navigation taken care of, you are then free to use your imagination to open each file in notepad and come up with the actual book text. the program is self voicing, but also contains textual information, so probably would be of interest to any potential gamebook authors, as it could be a very useful tool. I began a humerous test adventure with darkgrue basically to test out the program. Being a simple game, it was to have no dice rolling, and just feature choices based on the odd item. As is often the case though, what was intended to be a comedy litle romp through a dungeon grew into a 90 odd section monstrosity with cast of monsters, puzles and generalized insanity! So here it is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939 For more about darkgrue, please go to Jeremy kaldobsky, aka Aprone's site on http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ Hope people enjoy the insanity of the book, and also get some fun out of darkgrue. I do have plans (and have already started writing), for a far more serious book next, which will also feature a unique stats system including combat and character attributes, and will be set in it's own rather distinct world. stil, I hope people have fun with dungeons. if you get stuck, please look in the readme for some general hints, and if your extremely stuck, i'm willing to answer questions, though I hope the puzles are all doable. All the best, dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3835 - Release Date: 08/15/11 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
Hi Dark, Interesting enough that's kind of what I'd like to do myself, but instead of writing a gamebook in straight html I'd like to code it in C++ or maybe something simpler like Python and see how far I could get. By using something like Python, for example, I could have it do the rolls etc for me as well as keep track of items, character status, etc. Either that or I could code it in perl and add the game to a web page. There are all kinds of cool things we can do with gamebooks and make them pretty enjoyable. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Well that was the intention, though I must confess I was quite pleased with some ideas that turned up in the book, especially towards the end when I actually was trying as much for disturbing as for humourus. The next book which I've already started the bakcground on, is a much more complex and serious affair, with a distinct main character and what is I hope a relatively unique setting. with dungeons I was as much trying to test out the program as anything else, i just decided it was probably good enough for people to enjoy reading. Depending upon whether I'm allowd, I'm also hopefully entering dungeons into the gamebook competition at www.arborell.com, though sinse they usually only accept books formatted as a single rtf file, we'll have to see. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
yup, but will also be honest, and say that a few times, although you're pretty sure it's not the best idea, you still want to know what's going to happen when you try something, or go somewhere...the wonders of being in a virtual world, instead of the 'real' one...smile Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Ah Jacob, I'm glad you managed to finish it, it proves my puzles weren't too obscure, but if you had to try several times it proves things weren't too easy either. Glad you liked it. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Jacob Kruger jac...@mailzone.co.za To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Ok, just finished it off - after a few tries, and, excellent! Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Thanks Jacob, I'm glad your finding it fun. I tried to make the deaths as humerous as possible, so as to give you at least some compensation for dying and (theoretically), starting again. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
I've got some electronic copies of some proteus magazine gamebook things - need to upload them, but they do also need you to maintain a minor character sheet including hit points etc., and while they're not perfectly structured, think they're still playable. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Lol! Great job. I just downloaded this gamebook, played a few games, and its great. Thanks for writing this funny adventure. Reminds me of the old Choose Your Own Adventure stories from the 1980's. Does anyone remember those? In the Choose Your Own Adventure gamebooks you were given a story, and you were given options at the bottom of each page. Depending on the options you selected the book would end differently. I use to love reading them, because there were so many variations of the same story depending on choices it took several readings to find out what all the paths were. Some ended pretty quickly like explore the darkened room, and you stepped into a hole and fell to your death. Where if you ignored the darkened room you would move on in the story and be given two more choices until you got to one of the endings. It was great fun. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi. A while ago I was having a discussion with a mad person on audiogames.net calling himself Aprone, about the difficulties of creating a gamebook with numbered sections to turn to when you suffer from a lack of eyeballs and cannot therefore use things like spider diagrams. With his usual ludicrous speed, Aprone came up with the solution, a program named Darkgrue, somehoe because of me ;d. Darkgrue will let you create a number of standard text files to be the sections of your book, linked by choices which each lead to another section. You can use the arrow keys to navigate around the pages, and do some clever things like copy and paste different choices or create a separate title for each section. With all the navigation taken care of, you are then free to use your imagination to open each file in notepad and come up with the actual book text. the program is self voicing, but also contains textual information, so probably would be of interest to any potential gamebook authors, as it could be a very useful tool. I began a humerous test adventure with darkgrue basically to test out the program. Being a simple game, it was to have no dice rolling, and just feature choices based on the odd item. As is often the case though, what was intended to be a comedy litle romp through a dungeon grew into a 90 odd section monstrosity with cast of monsters, puzles and generalized insanity! So here it is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8vq939 For more about darkgrue, please go to Jeremy kaldobsky, aka Aprone's site on http://www.kaldobsky.com/audiogames/ Hope people enjoy the insanity of the book, and also get some fun out of darkgrue. I do have plans (and have already started writing), for a far more serious book next, which will also feature a unique stats system including combat and character attributes, and will be set in it's own rather distinct world. stil, I hope people have fun with dungeons. if you get stuck, please look in the readme for some general hints, and if your extremely stuck, i'm willing to answer questions, though I hope the puzles are all doable. All the best, dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions
Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom!
That's what I've sort of done with my small RPG game engine done in python, including latest creation applet that makes it easier to put together game content. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] New gamebook, The horrible dungeons of dreadful doom! Hi Dark, Interesting enough that's kind of what I'd like to do myself, but instead of writing a gamebook in straight html I'd like to code it in C++ or maybe something simpler like Python and see how far I could get. By using something like Python, for example, I could have it do the rolls etc for me as well as keep track of items, character status, etc. Either that or I could code it in perl and add the game to a web page. There are all kinds of cool things we can do with gamebooks and make them pretty enjoyable. Cheers! On 8/15/11, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Tom. Well that was the intention, though I must confess I was quite pleased with some ideas that turned up in the book, especially towards the end when I actually was trying as much for disturbing as for humourus. The next book which I've already started the bakcground on, is a much more complex and serious affair, with a distinct main character and what is I hope a relatively unique setting. with dungeons I was as much trying to test out the program as anything else, i just decided it was probably good enough for people to enjoy reading. Depending upon whether I'm allowd, I'm also hopefully entering dungeons into the gamebook competition at www.arborell.com, though sinse they usually only accept books formatted as a single rtf file, we'll have to see. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
