Re: CSRE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE
But MA; that's not spelled pot, it's spelled pout! g On Fri, 2010-03-26 at 10:52 -0700, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Oh sure Dan -- stir the pot!! lol MA __ From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com I'd like to take the opportunity to point out that the contraction of you are is spelled you're not your... On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: Your a moron my intent was not for all this..take some of you Lugol's to teach you how to treat people if that is possible!!! From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com Deborah, What you wrote was wrong ! Its people like you spreading misinformation that drive away the ones with knowledge, You do not understand that 2% Iodine is NOT lugol's, no mater what they call it. Lugols is and always has been 5% Potassium Iodide Iodine crystals. I corrected you in private ! (If you want to be exposed to the group fine!) . But I am more of a Herbalist than that. You should have thanked me for setting you straight. The Swanson's (Made by Crow) is not the Same thing as Lugol's 5 %, it may not mean anything to you personally, but someone who needs LUGOL's and uses Swanson's 2 % Will not get the expected results. Sorry your so stubborn. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZTel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. From: Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com I seen it for sale at www.swansonvitamins.com From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 10:06:58 AM Subject: CSRE: LUGO'L 5 % IODINE Contact me if you need Real Lugol's 5 % Iodine. Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. http://www.quailwoodherbal.com ~~ From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, March 25, 2010 6:59:41 AM Subject: Re: CSKidney Stones, Cure I think you better double check that one out, Kidney Stones are nothing to experiment with. Herbal treatment is the mildest and best I have ever used. It's just drinking a special Herbal Tea for about 3 days at the most rather than coffee. Http://www.quailwoodherbal.com Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ. From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 7:23:00 AM Subject: Re: CSKidney Stones I understand that magnesium is hydrophylic to the colon and thus pulls water out of the urinary tract and thus is not recommended in high doses for people with kidney disease. Can anyone explain, then why it is used for kidney stones? It would seem to lower the amount of water in the urinary tract and thus contribute to the stones. Thanks. PT - Original Message - From: Paul Bond To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:31 AM Subject: CSKidney Stones I would be very curious to know if all those things that clear kidney stones aren’t unusually high in Magnesium. Enough magnesium to match the calcium should do the trick. Also Vit B6 reduces oxylytic acid, which otherwise combines with calcium to produce calcium oxalate, which is present in stones usually. Paul B __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4969 (20100323) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hi, My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid, ascorbic. It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide. Here's the story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc. Dunno; Marshall or Steve are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid Take care, Malcolm On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 21:09 -0800, poast wrote: I have been exercising some EIS over the past few days. I started out with a solution that had a conductivity of about 15 uS. I added a very small amount of ascorbic acid. The solution turned amber brown, then went to grey. However, when I held it up to sunlight, it was more amber, but under the kitchen light it was grey. I then added some H2O2 and didn't think it was going to do anything, but the next day the solution was clear, with a good Tyndale effect. Conductivity is up to 25 uS. I then added some more ascorbic acid, and once again ended up with a grey solution. Add more H2O2 and after a while it clears back up. At this point the conductivity of the solution was about 75 uS. Once again I add some ascorbic acid. This time there wasn't much of a reaction. I added a little more, and after some time the solution turned to a light grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is now up to 115 uS. Added more ascorbic acid and nothing happened. Added more and finally the reaction started. Let it sit for a few hours, and once again the solution is slightly grey. Add more H2O2 and after a while it goes clear again. Conductivity is up to 185 uS. Questions... What is going on? Have I worn this solution out, or is it still good for something? Is the increase in conductivity due to the addition of the ascorbic acid? Or am I chemically making a higher concentration? Is this similar to what goes on inside the body? Is this of any use to anyone? It was a fun experiment, but I am not sure if it has value. I have to confess that I am having too much fun. Tom -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hi Tom, We've reached (and surpassed!) the limits of my chemistry education; I'd stick with either the citric acid protocol that Steve Norton has put forth, or straight EIS. I doubt there's anything to be gained by titrating higher concentrations of Ascorbic acid against hydrogen peroxide with a vague grey cloud of silver-whatever-ide as an indicator; stick to plain silver citrate. Adding H2O2 to EIS? I dunno, some people do, some don't. I make mine as clean as I can and take it straight. I, nor most people have much real knowledge of what goes on inside the body - there could be twenty different reaction intermediates between what goes in, and what comes out, and most of us none the wiser. Check out the Wiki article for just how weird ascorbic acid reactions are as a tiny example of that! Take care, Malcolm On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 21:21 -0800, poast wrote: Hello Malcolm, OK, so I am seeing a build up on ascorbic acid ions. Do you think this solution is good for anything? Would you drink it? Does a reaction something like this go on inside the body? Tom - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi, My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid, ascorbic. It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide. Here's the story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc. Dunno; Marshall or Steve are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYO YO EIS
Hi Tom, Cool. Did you get any bubbles with the sodium bicarbonate? Wonder where the CO3 - or 2 part went? Possibly the silver is oxidised and lying at the bottom all tuckered out (my WAG), possibly you've made some sodium ascorbate from the baking soda?? The color effect might be the difference between what colors your brew Transmits; i.e. dark amber, and what it Reflects; bluish grey? If no Tyndall, how come the diff between transmitted and reflected light? Tyndall doesn't just mean big enough to see sparklies, ya know, so what is interfering with the light? - truly tiny microscopic particles, I'd guess, so Tyndall-time. And another angle is the sorta complementary relationship (color-wheel) between amber and blue-grey. Well, hey; onward and upward M. On Sun, 2010-04-18 at 18:24 -0800, poast wrote: Hello Malcolm, While I totally agree with you, it is just too much fun to simply stop. This batch will be played with to death and never consumed. The saga continues. I decided to add some baking soda to the solution to balance the PH. The PH had dropped to about 3 and I brought it back up to 6.8. Next I added some ascorbic acid and it turned brown, then almost immediately turned clear again. I added more and the same thing happened. More is added and the same thing happens again. Finally I ended up with a gray layer at the bottom of the jar, but the rest of the solution is clear. I just shook it up to see what happens. The PH is now back to 4.6. Very interesting stuff. I hold it up to the light with the sun at my back and it looks bluish gray. When I turn around and look at the sun through the solution it looks dark amber. I find it interesting that I still have a great Tyndal effect and that the solution is staying clear. Oh well, I will exercise (or as Dok commented exOrcise) it a few more times and see what happens. Thanks for your help in trying to figure this out. Tom - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:11 AM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi Tom, We've reached (and surpassed!) the limits of my chemistry education; I'd stick with either the citric acid protocol that Steve Norton has put forth, or straight EIS. I doubt there's anything to be gained by titrating higher concentrations of Ascorbic acid against hydrogen peroxide with a vague grey cloud of silver-whatever-ide as an indicator; stick to plain silver citrate. Adding H2O2 to EIS? I dunno, some people do, some don't. I make mine as clean as I can and take it straight. I, nor most people have much real knowledge of what goes on inside the body - there could be twenty different reaction intermediates between what goes in, and what comes out, and most of us none the wiser. Check out the Wiki article for just how weird ascorbic acid reactions are as a tiny example of that! Take care, Malcolm On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 21:21 -0800, poast wrote: Hello Malcolm, OK, so I am seeing a build up on ascorbic acid ions. Do you think this solution is good for anything? Would you drink it? Does a reaction something like this go on inside the body? Tom - Original Message - From: Malcolm s...@asis.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: Re: CSYO YO EIS Hi, My best guess; you're measuring the conductivity of a weak acid, ascorbic. It likes to interact with hydrogen peroxide. Here's the story from wiki, and I suspect the silver ion is just getting booted around becoming an oxide, then an ion, etc. Dunno; Marshall or Steve are the chemists, but the reaction between H2O2 and ascorbic stops the classic free-radical 'Jacob's ladder' of monoatomic oxygen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascorbic_acid Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Cs in the sea !
I'd be very careful, I dimly remember someone killing all their aquarium fish (fresh water) by experimenting with CS in the water; it was on this list several years ago. As Frank points out, the silver chloride may be much less toxic, it's much less effective. I'd also wonder if it would kill algae. Take care, M. On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 20:18 -0400, Lisa wrote: Ok, so for the mathematically challenged – about what would I use in a 65 gallon salt water tank? I’ve got an overgrowth of algae and perhaps this would be an easy way to rid the tank of it! Lisa __ From: Frank [mailto:frankcuns-r...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: Cs in the sea ! Hi, If you mix sea water with CS the chloride in the water will precipitate the silver to form silver chloride. A few parts per million will not harm the fish Frank From: ATOMICSILVER Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 3:16 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Cs in the sea ! A question for the list which I am fairly sure has not been covered , at least for a while. What would the effect be of putting cs in a batch of sea water. ? And if there were fish , shrimp etc in the sea water , what effect would it have on them? Any ideas much appreciated Richard On 02/05/2010, at 11:01, MaryAnn Helland wrote: I sent this message at 8:20 this morning -- but forgot to trim!! Hey Ode! Just catching up on email, and I read yours. I don't always understand your posts, and maybe I'm not understanding your question here correctly -- but if I am, then the answer is yes. My chiropractor routinely alters the chemistry of venom with electricity. He has an electro-stim machine, which uses self-adhesive pads attached to wires attached to the machine -- through which electricity is conveyed to whatever spot on your body. Typically, this machine is used to deep-stimulte muscles -- such as back muscles -- to get them to release from spasms. But he also uses this machine on bites -- snake, brown recluse, tick, bee or wasp stings, etc. -- and it neutralizes the proteins/toxins of the venoms. It works so well on tick bites, that I have begun to use my Godzilla to self-treat tick bites successfully. Think I'd still head for him if I got a brown recluse bite, though! MA __ From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 5:07:14 AM Subject: Re: CSZapper Next question: Can venom be altered by altering the chemistry of the blood with an electrical current? I'd say likely so. Note that most itch sticks have ammonium as the base.. a caustic substance. Pee on jelly fish stings..ammonium again. Ammonium Hydroxide...Sodium Hydroxide. Alkaline. ATOMICSILVER atomicsil...@gmail.com www.atomicsilver.info -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFYI: Mother of all gushers could kill Earth's oceans
Methane clathrate hydrates form at temps well above 0deg. C, in fact up to 18deg.C or ~65deg.F under suitable pressures. The temp of gulf waters at 5,000 feet depth is about 41deg.F. As the pressure is reduced on the column of oil + water-methane compounds rising in the well casing, the clathrates entrained decompose, releasing a LARGE volume of methane gas; hence blowout. In a way, this is like a boiler explosion, where the release of pressure in the boiler causes yet more water to turn to steam, blowing the boiler to smithereens and releasing ALL the superheated water to be steam at once. In other words, this is a 'positive feedback' or self-feeding event on a truly, literally, global scale. At pressures in the oil pocket of 70,000psi we (BP, whoever,) are unlikely to achieve success with large explosions - nuclear or otherwise - since any further fracture of the crust containing the oil pocket is not a good idea. A further note; the heat generated by the setting of the cement used to seal the casing to the rock crust probably added to the release of methane from solid compounds to a gaseous state. There is a good deal of prior published information on the presence of methane clathrates at shallow depths of 200 - 800 meters off both our eastern and western coasts as well as massive quantities in Siberia, and the role clathrate release may have played in previous extinctions involving sudden catastrophic global climate change as the pentagon called it years ago. Their presence at depths of a mile is relatively new info generated by the oil Co.s for their own uses. Malcolm On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 13:15 -0400, Garrick wrote: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=%22methane%20hydrates% 22rlz=1B3GGLL_enUS358US358um=1ie=UTF-8tbo=utbs=nws:1source=ogsa=Ntab=wn Methane hydrates are all over the news..Yep They are plaguing the BP well according to the news G On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Are you sure there are methane hydrates there? Yes, positive. See above. They require temperatures below freezing, and we are talking about the Gulf. Although ocean temperatures drop as you go deeper, crust temperatures increase, normally at a nominal 1 degree per 100 feet as you go down. That is 52 degrees per mile increase in temperature. I don't see how it could be possible to have hydrate with that deep hole. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMother of all gushers could kill Earth's oceans
Garrick, the idea of the small shaped charges is to surround the pipe with them and blow it closed, or at least down to a dia. where it could be capped. Blowing the whole thing even wider is not a good idea, and anything on a scale you envision would probably produce cracking and widen existing faults which would lead to a catastrophic impossible-to-control blowout of the entire pocket. Wrong way to go. Malcolm On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 13:32 -0400, Garrick wrote: Hi I'm no engineer but I think a very small nuke is what you need to to collapse the well from a hole bored side by side with the gusher hole. Drill down a few hundred feet and detonate. I doubt 3-4 lbs of conventional explosives will do it unless inserted directly down the well which sounds impossible to me. This is a very high pressure well. I could swear I read was drilled through basalt to get to the oil but can find nothing on the internet about basalt I want that nuke to cap that well by destroying it. If that oil reservoir is tapped again BP will have to drill a new holeHey it's doing that anyway right now. Two of them g ___ On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: G, Why a nuke? Another engineer suggested a small (3 - 4 lbs) shaped charge would be enough to collapse the well. You have to be careful not to damage the rock casement of the well itself. That's the problem. - Original Message - From: Garrick To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:30 AM Subject: Re: CSMother of all gushers could kill Earth's oceans There are natural oil seeps off the California coast. Think LaBrea tar pitsoil and tar close to the surface. Santa Barbara off shore has many seeps. The natural seeps don't put out so much these days because the oil drilling has relieved the pressure About ten days ago on a forum an old guy said he saw tarballs washing up on Southern California beaches in the 1940s...before any offshore drilling off the California coast BP head on TV said last night it is now an industry wide effort to get the best people and best brains together to neutralize this gusher. I would not bet against these people. An entire industry's future is at stake. In other words they have very stronmg incentives (monetary and otherwise) to cap this well Me. I would consider drilling a hole right next to the well 500 ft down and detonate a small nuke g -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMother of all gushers could kill Earth's oceans
Hi Marshall, try Basalt; it may contain some bauxite - 15%, but usually the ocean floor basalts have less than that. Since basalts have a S.G of ~3 as a solid, the rest of your post is right on. Take care, M. On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 10:36 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: The density of bauxite is approximately 3, which means that one square inch will have a mass of .43*3=2.1 pounds mass per inch, and 26-27 pounds per foot. So 20,000 pounds of pressure would require a column of bauxite 770 feet deep. Anything less than that would simply get blown right off. In actuality since it is a mile or so under water, it would take less than that since the water would add weight above it, but it would still take a substantial amount to hold it down. Marshall Garrick wrote: How many holes are you going to drill. Six with six charges? I think it is best to go deep for any explosions because the oil/gas is so high pressure it will make its way past 20 feet of rubble. Even done your way I wish a real nuke expert would give an opinion to the media but I think there is such a nuke-phobia it wouldn't be used even if it was proven to be the best course. I rather nuke it if that's a good way to go than see oyster beds and fishing grounds fouled for 20 years I wonder what Edwin Teller would say. g On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Malcolm s...@asis.com mailto:s...@asis.com wrote: Garrick, the idea of the small shaped charges is to surround the pipe with them and blow it closed, or at least down to a dia. where it could be capped. Blowing the whole thing even wider is not a good idea, and anything on a scale you envision would probably produce cracking and widen existing faults which would lead to a catastrophic impossible-to-control blowout of the entire pocket. Wrong way to go. Malcolm On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 13:32 -0400, Garrick wrote: Hi I'm no engineer but I think a very small nuke is what you need to to collapse the well from a hole bored side by side with the gusher hole. Drill down a few hundred feet and detonate. I doubt 3-4 lbs of conventional explosives will do it unless inserted directly down the well which sounds impossible to me. This is a very high pressure well. I could swear I read was drilled through basalt to get to the oil but can find nothing on the internet about basalt I want that nuke to cap that well by destroying it. If that oil reservoir is tapped again BP will have to drill a new holeHey it's doing that anyway right now. Two of them g ___ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLyme disease
Shiona; Naah, but he is trying to get stuff written when his mind is tired; hence bauxite for basalt and other examples of what Kurt Vonnegut referred to as mental gears skipping a tooth. Ice Nine? Granfalloon? Bokonon. On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 10:31 +0100, Shiona Phillips wrote: Marshall Dudley wrote: . Lyme has a number of hiding places, and cannot be eliminated with a protocol that gets them as well, such as the Beck protocol. Another mistake? Sounds like you are a bit confused. Shiona -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Are (Search) BOTS, (really) Tracking~'EWE'..?
Hi MaryAnn, I enjoy them! His references lead to good sites, his off-spellings weird characters etc., just think of them as Groucho's eyebrows in print! 'Sides, how'dya know the misspellings are intentional unless you get the drift? On Fri, 2010-05-28 at 08:02 -0700, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Does anyone else have trouble reading these posts? I don't understand the short-hand speech pattern. I don't understand the abbreviations. I don't understand the intentional mis-spellings. I don't understand the random capitalizations. I don't understand why someone would post in such a fashion. Is ordinary English, complete with proper spelling and punctuation, so difficult? Besides which -- this is OFF-TOPIC! Well, they respond to another's OFF TOPIC!! posts which are considerably wordier and have been going on for a fair while. MA __ From: Dok Dallas dokdal...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, May 27, 2010 4:25:42 PM Subject: CS Are (Search) BOTS, (really) Tracking~'EWE'..? Perhaps, only-time...may ever come-close, to seeing \Q~@/ with Mr. BOD...but OK, Don't waste $ with da Shrink, you're NOT~PARANOID...THEY really do...watch Ewe! First time was in an ALT.COM Engineering area...more recently/year-ago, on Yahoo. (In past 4~5 years...twice had post, with Technical-insight...purged-off NET archives) In 1965 left College...joined USN/(Naval-Air), with prior EE schooling/Lab background was selected for (war-time) program, to get selected/(few) trained in EW/DECM, etc. ASAP for Electronic-Warefare//Deceptive-Electronic-Counter-Measures/(TS~NSA). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Codebreakers Excellent History, Government(s) spy! CB Intel...not my actual NEC/MOS, not close... Shttp://tinyurl.com/352msp3 No, never worked for 'NSA'...but held (high valued), Top-Secret/NSA crypto-clearance, with required 2-week/(pre-clearance) Security School...to get invaluable SA training! NO, I'm NOT 'PARANOID' TYPE G, just-trained to use Brain/Senses...I'm ALERT, to things/events around me/(especially) in Background, like WHY...[bodhisattva]!g Years later, as civilian...earned Degree(s), NSA Situational-Awareness (valued most) *(MUST-READ, LIFE~SAFETY!)* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situational_awareness always SA, Dok-Dallas P.S. People (with strange sounding tags) that TRY-to-ERASE (anything) draw S.A.~ Damn if I know what's so-secret in ORGONITE, but surely CIA/FBI, even e...@^@/? BTW: Anyone ordering, paying-for, receiving-Orgonite...is now-on (associates) LIST~ Ya-all been had...Orgonite Shipments...can be Tracked, if using USPS, Fed-X, etc.? Remember few years ago...DC belt-line Sniper(s) in Wash...Gov. using Satellite PIX and for years before known to public, even Police...FBI tracked Cell-Phone location~ Unless using (new) Net-ID, every few minpublic ISP/WiFi port...IT, can Find 'ewe'! When Bod... went to all that TROUBLE to erase Personal-Data...FBI, was notified... http://www.akdart.com/carniv.html P-L-E-A-S-E, TAKE AKDART-LINK to O.T. LIST~ (Anyone remember, my TAINTP~WBSF reply to Dee's (?)...few weeks back) G Personally (LMAO) I'm glad there are so-many agencies using High-Tech Sensors~ to keep track of Paranoid/(dissident) members with HHG, CB ORGANite (ENVY)! --- On Thu, 5/27/10, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com wrote: From: Bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com Subject: Re: CSGoogle Launches Encrypted Search and also Encrypted Gmail Option To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 6:20 AM You worry? I don't but I also take prudent precautions, and I am keenly aware of how the encroachment of privacy and freedoms happen. These people are not to be trusted. When AOL released their search records, and said oops, then thousands of people had their private searches presented to the world. That was the wakeup call. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AOL_search_data_scandal Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I have never in all my life had a problem with anything like this at all, so I don't bother about it. Not to say that I never will, but to date, I never have. The trouble with worrying about stuff like this is that you miss out on so much and life is too short. dee On 25 May 2010, at 21:52, bodhisattva wrote: The problem is, Google isn't to be trusted. NSA/CIA have people littered through the company, and in fact, black-ops funding helped Google along apparently.. I would never, ever trust them, and do not use any
Re: CSThings ya might NOT wanna know - irradiation
Hi Kathryn, I'm aware of two methods; one for domestic products, like chicken, the other for all trucks crossing the Mexico-California border. The chicken one has a slug of -I believe cobalt- in a shielded room through which a conveyor passes. The chicken is packaged then the packages passed through the shielded room on the conveyor; the pellet of radioactive stuff -cobalt or ??- is itself shielded as well when the process is not in motion, and the idea is to reduce spoilage by killing the microbes after all the yucky mechanical processing is over, in the now sterile plastic package of meat. The other method(s); one involves a long articulated arm, at the CA-Mexico border, to scan the contents of a truck from the outside; or a tunnel with an x-ray tube or whatever that scans the shipping containers and their contents through the sides,top and bottom at a sea-port. It takes a pretty hefty X-ray to scan through steel, but almost all freight - food, machinery, you name it - is transported in cargo containers and the whole process is probably automated at sea-ports. I'd be mostly concerned with sea-food, i.e. shellfish, where whatever iodine they may have in them might retain radioactivity - dunno, just a thought. Take care, Malcolm On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 23:28 -0500, Kathryn Clayton wrote: so how do you do this? and eating radiated food is not my idea of good fun. How can they radiate *everything* that comes in? there are so many ports, and so much stuff that comes thru... kathryn On Jun 2, 2010, at 3:44 PM, bodhisattva wrote: Sadly, you are right, our govt. seems to enjoy radiating everything these days. It's ridiculous. Anyway, the cloves have 2 disharmonious freqs in them, which of course will be pulled out. They calibrate at 600, once I pulled the 2 bad freqs, they jumped to around 850. Renee wrote: Just be sure you do 'something' with those herbs, because they are all radiated when they are brought in. It's to kill any bugs hidden in the spices. samala, Renee www.eamega.com/RPainManageEnt Chronic pain does NOT belong in your body. The Am Wand helps you get rid of it quickly and easily. Get the wand here ---Original Message--- Anyway, my eyes were treated to rows and rows of bulk, high ORAC herbs and spices, as far as the eye can see. I picked up a huge bag of /ground cloves/ (powder) for almost nothing, this is expensive stuff, cloves are very medicinal. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS FYI: Camphor
FYI Re: camphor http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/pharm/camphor.htm 2.1 Main risks and target organs Central nervous system (CNS) and kidney: convulsions followed by depression, and renal damage may occur after intake of relatively small amounts of camphor may occur. The main risks are apnoea, asystole, and severe post-convulsive coma. Toxic effects appear after the ingestion of approximately 2 g (lethal dose LD adults: 4 g; children: 1 g of pure camphor). 2.2 Summary of clinical effects Clinical effects are: gastric irritation, colic, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhoea; anxiety, excitement, delirium, and epileptiform convulsions; apnoea and asystole. CNS depression follows the excitatory phase, and may result in coma or, rarely, death. Anuria may occur. The breath has the characteristic odour of camphor. 2.3 Diagnosis Poisoning by camphor is associated with an initial excitatory phase, with vomiting, diarrhoea and excitement, followed by NS depression and death. A characteristic odour of camphor is present on the breath. The symptoms may appear 5 to 90 min after ingestion depending on the product ingested (solid or liquid) On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 00:24 -0400, bodhisattva wrote: Original mothballs, probably man decades ago, were camphor. But it hasn't been that way for a long long time. Pure camphor, has a lovely smell IMO. Bob Banever wrote: Jane, Mothballs are not made from camphor... at least not to my knowledge. They are made from napthalene. To me, mothballs are one of most noxious, nauseating smells in the universe. Whenever I smell them I move far away from the source. http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-moth-balls.htm Bob - Original Message - From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:04 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve All I know is that camphor is meant to protect you from Cholera if you wear a ball of it on a string around your neck in a Cholera outbreak. It always smells to me like my grandmothers' wardrobes (to keep the moths out) not a smell I enjoy - and they always sell it by the box full in the Chinese grocers. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:47 PM Subject: Re: CSRe: CS Where to get edible camphor ?? Steve There used to be a camphor factory outside of Bareilly near where I lived in India for a tijme. When we would drive through the area, you could smell the camphor for about a mile along the road. Heavenly... Dan On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 3:18 PM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com wrote: Careful some of those are synthetic camphor. Unless it says Pure Camphor it's usually synthetic, and I know for a fact DEER and the other chinese ones are synthetic, I know a wholesaler of them. In fact, many wholesalers sell synthetic unless you ASK for pure, because pure costs more. I have pure camphor oil 100%, from an essential oil seller, that's probably the best way to purchase it. I like the blocks for the closet though, to keep the spooks out. Norton, Steve wrote: I haven’t seen the edible camphor for sale online except from a place in Thailand. I got mine at a local Indian grocery. However, you can get the incense from a lot of places: http://www.google.com/products?hl=enresnum=1q=camphor+puja+priceum=1ie=UTF-8ei=N6oGTKzxFo_4Mf2jpJ8Jsa=Xoi=product_result_groupct=titleresnum=11ved=0CE0QrQQwCg http://www.google.com/products?q=Camphor+Tablets+pricehl=enum=1ie=UTF-8ei=m6sGTM_oBpDiNeypza0Jsa=Xoi=product_result_groupct=titleresnum=3ved=0CC8QrQQwAg And Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/One-tablets-Camphor-Char-Minar/dp/B002QP90SU http://www.amazon.com/Deer-Camphor-Tablets-1lb-Box/dp/B002JQUHBU/ref=pd_sim_bt_1 http://www.amazon.com/Charminar-Camphor-Tablets-packets-tablets/dp/B003EIL2T8/ref=pd_sbs_bt_6 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS FYI: Camphor
Hi Bodhi, Whether you consider the info nonsense or not, or consider it's concentration or form as somehow ignored or passed over in the quoted text, I'd suggest that you consider the possible consequences for those who are not able to determine the quality or potency of whatever source they come across. The site provided is only one of many, and is demonstrably competent to distinguish between camphor as a pure substance or an oil, manufactured or natural, etc. I hold no brief any particular way regarding camphor, but intend to introject a note of caution regarding a potentially lethal grey-marketed substance; as should you. With an LD50 of one gram for a child this is not a marketed substance you should tout without proper cautionary remarks. Malcolm On Thu, 2010-06-10 at 02:25 -0400, bodhisattva wrote: Most of this is nonsense, and some of it applies to Camphorated Oil, and other versions, which are way more toxic. Most camphor, has very little camphor in it. It's actually illegal to sell over 11% camphor in the USA. It's very good for keeping tools and guns from rusting, keeping spooks out of closets, and makes an awesome cleaning solution. Camphor cures cancer, this is primarily why the FDA was motivated to essentially ban camphor. Camphor also can virtually bring back someone on the verge of death if injected, and was used for centuries in such a capacity. Buddha called camphor One of the 7 great substances. I agree, there are a lot of spiritual benefits to camphor. Camphor is very potent against cold/flu, or astral intrusive thingamagigs. The fact is, negative entities simply do not like camphor. It's a great tool in the arsenal. I remember always being cured from colds as a kid when my mother put camphor on my chest area, and some in the steam mist thing. Always worked wonders. I got a little secret that helps you prevent cold/flus. Order some real Tiger Balm White from Thailand on Ebay (not the fake US one), the original one, with Eucalyptus as well as the other stuff, including a lot of camphor. During the cold/flu season, walk around with it dabbed on your nose, under your nose, behind each eye, a dot on the third eye, and a dab on your neck.. Do the same thing if you ever feel you may be getting something. It works great! Malcolm wrote: FYI Re: camphor http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/pharm/camphor.htm 2.1 Main risks and target organs Central nervous system (CNS) and kidney: convulsions followed by depression, and renal damage may occur after intake of relatively small amounts of camphor may occur. The main risks are apnoea, asystole, and severe post-convulsive coma. Toxic effects appear after the ingestion of approximately 2 g (lethal dose LD adults: 4 g; children: 1 g of pure camphor). 2.2 Summary of clinical effects Clinical effects are: gastric irritation, colic, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhoea; anxiety, excitement, delirium, and epileptiform convulsions; apnoea and asystole. CNS depression follows the excitatory phase, and may result in coma or, rarely, death. Anuria may occur. The breath has the characteristic odour of camphor. 2.3 Diagnosis Poisoning by camphor is associated with an initial excitatory phase, with vomiting, diarrhoea and excitement, followed by NS depression and death. A characteristic odour of camphor is present on the breath. The symptoms may appear 5 to 90 min after ingestion depending on the product ingested (solid or liquid) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHow did we ever get here on this subject?
Hi Steve, Dan's fine with me; I was surprised by his comment though and it was not directed at you IMNSHO. I'm much more concerned with the drift that this is becoming a 'Believer's' forum and that someone who resorts to arcane and unavailable 'proof' such as calibration which, note, is used as a weapon as much as a sign of cosmic - and note that - approval of rectitude, is making this his own fiefdom. If you bother with the list of definitions in the new oxford dictionary, and I haven't yet in this case but I'm familiar with the style, and then observe Boddhi's highly selective usage and his jump from skeptic to '-ism', - again a highly selective and so-illustrated pejorative usage, - you may detect a strong desire to control the conversation and beliefs of others. I do, having been trained in English and rhetoric at the graduate level. I despise it, and though I find all this stuff about dowsing, demons and other disembodied entities interesting, I find Boddhi's use of it to further his control of a clacque disgusting. Well, that's my problem. Take care, Malcolm You can tell English majors by the convolution of their sentences. g On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 08:42 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Malcolm, I just want to say that I took no offense at Dan's comment but just wanted to point out that many of us are skeptics some if the time. I have a high regard for Dan and consider his posts valuable. I can say the same for Bodhi, although I may not completely share all his beliefs. BTW, not sharing all his beliefs does not mean that he is wrong, only that perhaps I have not yet had the opportunity to develop my own experiences that would support those beliefs. I have many opinions but I consider many of them as opinions du jour. Tomorrow I may learn something new that causes me to revise my opinion on something. Who knows? Best Regards, Steve -Original Message- From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 12:07 AM To: Norton, Steve Subject: RE: CSHow did we ever get here on this subject? Hi Steve, I'd expect you're right, you are considerably more mild-mannered about this than I feel; it hasn't been Dan so much as Boddhi who has begun to impose linguistic correctness upon us; the guy is an egotist and a rhetor. Look out!! You Can be Calibrated: Ve haff vays to Make you Calibrated! Ziss vill teach you not to be skeptical vit Mee! But no, you're definitely not a Dumb-ass. I think his veneer may be cracking as he swells, though. . . . Your subject-line question, that's truly an interesting one! Oh well. Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTick Bite
Hi Del,
I live in northern California, the western Lyme capital, so I'm very
familiar with Lyme disease and the protocols.
First, DON'T wait for a month til they do a test; if the health care
providers you've contacted don't seem to know much about Lyme - they
probably don't! The usual test is called the Western Blot test, and
it's not particularly accurate, giving about 15% false negatives.
Particularly if a person has been infected with the spirochete for less
than three months it's about useless, the infection doesn't show up, and
even after that it's easy to miss detection.
So you're right, go after it right away, and don't count on the test
results to tell you if she {still} has it. Also it isn't so common; not
every tick bite will carry Lyme or Bartonella; no percentages on this,
especially in that neck of the woods, but it's not a sure thing by a
long shot.
One of the best antibiotics recommended for Lyme (Borrelia Burgdorferii)
is Bactrim DS (DS for double strength), another brand is Septra; its
generic name is Sulfamethoxazole-Trimethoprim, and there is a very small
chance your wife may have a reaction to it. Not many do, but be aware
that very occasionally someone will. It's possible to find sources for
this antibiotic online without a prescription or you may be able to get
it from a doc who is more familiar with the whole Lyme scene. If it
were me - and it has been - I would take two Bactrim DS per day for AT
LEAST ten days. If I'd shown the characteristic rash around the bite
area I'd definitely do it for thirty days minimum.
You can also take CS by mouth, about an ounce every couple of hours for
the first day or so, then slow down to maybe three or four glugs a day
and one more just before bed; This will help, but the ABX are critical.
HTH,
Malcolm
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 22:31 -0400, Del wrote:
Hi:
My wife, Jane, was bitten by a tick while visiting her mother on Shelter
Island, one of the Lyme capitals of the world.
Anybody out there with knowledge of what should be done immediately to deal
with the possibility (probability?) of infection with Lyme?
My understanding is that if you catch it early, it is easier to eliminate,
but doctors here in Vermont don't know much about dealing with Lyme.
There is actually too much information on the web, if you can believe that,
she wants an answer fast and my head is spinning with the many Lyme articles
I have already read, none of which were targeted at what to do right away if
bitten.
We were told here that you have to wait four weeks to test to see if you
have been exposed to Borrelia burgdorferi (Lyme spirochete), and then the
test (not sure what test they are talking about) costs $200, is NOT covered
by Medicare or our health insurance, and may or may not be reliable.
Anybody know about that?
Thanks,
Del
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RE: CSTick Bite
Yes, couldn't agree more! Whatever antibiotic you get (and I'm allergic to doxy) take it religiously for a month; Lyme is not worth screwing around with. One of my friends got Lyme, was given a prescription of doxy for ten days, and three and a half months later could barely crawl - literally crawl - to the emergency room at the local small-town hospital. Take care, Malcolm On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 09:40 -0400, starshar wrote: This former Lymie cannot emphasize strongly enough the importance of a minimum of 28 days of Doxy. All the rest should be additional. Otherwise I can’t stand antibiotics! Sharon Rowena: Thanks for all your information. I have forwarded it to Jane. It will take a while to absorb. Thanks to all others who have responded. She was back home within 48 hrs of being bitten, and the doc here immediately put her on Doxycycline, 100 mg twice a day for 3 days. According to some postings, that should be continued for more days. She is also using some colloidal silver, which she does not like to use because it previously turned her cuticles silvery gray. I am trying to persuade her to use my olive leaf, oregano oil combination (which I take twice a day) - she is a bit fearful of that because I had such strong detox symptoms when I first started using it. The Salt/C protocol may be too strong for her. She is very sensitive to all meds and supplements. However, she has not reacted to the Doxy yet. I have a Godzilla zapper from V. We also have the therapik, but my understanding is, it is only useful if you get the bite right away. She has already tried the Bentonite clay (with apple cider vinegar I believe). I will have her do more of that. I had a really itchy mosquito bite a few days ago, was driving me nuts, and an application of bentonite clay took the itch away within minutes, and it never came back. That stuff really works. Del - Original Message - From: Rowena To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 2:13 AM Subject: Re: CSTick Bite Google Salt and C protocol. Real salt not table salt, or Himalayan, or the chemist's stuff, though I would prefer Himalayan. Might be a bit late to put salt, CS, etc. on the entry wound, but still worth doing. Rowena On 5/07/2010 10:31 AM, Del wrote: Hi: My wife, Jane, was bitten by a tick while visiting her mother on Shelter Island, one of the Lyme capitals of the world. Anybody out there with knowledge of what should be done immediately to deal with the possibility (probability?) of infection with Lyme? My understanding is that if you catch it early, it is easier to eliminate, but doctors here in Vermont don't know much about dealing with Lyme. There is actually too much information on the web, if you can believe that, she wants an answer fast and my head is spinning with the many Lyme articles I have already read, none of which were targeted at what to do right away if bitten. We were told here that you have to wait four weeks to test to see if you have been exposed to Borrelia burgdorferi (Lyme spirochete), and then the test (not sure what test they are talking about) costs $200, is NOT covered by Medicare or our health insurance, and may or may not be reliable. Anybody know about that? Thanks, Del -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTick Bite, sms, Ode
http://www.jstor.org/pss/3283916 Hi Sash; You may find the above article interesting. I am particularly interested by the comment that Borellia Burgdorferi is transmitted from infected ticks to humans within 8 to 12 hours; more in line with my knowledge of local acquaintances' experiences when infected. I'm uncertain as to whether the tick regurgitates when squeezed, whether the spirochete resides in the saliva and/or anaesthetic the tick uses in penetrating its host or merely in the tick's stomach, and subsequently the anaesthetic the tick uses upon DEtaching from its host; a little-examined yet apparent sequel to the normal feeding cycle that seems to involve an antihistamine type (non)reaction quite different from what you get when the tick was forcibly removed and/or often when it vectored a disease. There's lots yet to be learned, for sure! Have you read Lab 257 by Christopher Carroll?? Take care, Malcolm On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 09:07 -0700, s...@emotap.com wrote: Ode, Your statement below is generally not true. Even if one gets the tick off quickly, as you suggest, the contents of the tick's stomach may have been regurgitated into the bite and the blood and lymph will carry it to all parts of the body, quickly, and then start reproducing or hiding until it is safe to start reproducing. This includes the brain and is known as neurolyme. We have to remember that the general population, unlike you, do not have CS running through their body, nor do most even know what CS is. The reason I say your statement is generally not true is that, many people do not know how to correctly remove a tick without squeezing it. And if the tick should happen to be infected, then no matter how quickly you got the tick off of the body, the contents of the tick's stomach will have been regurgitated into the bite. Some people are very, very lucky and have immune systems that are strong and healthy, but read below, and you will see that not even that is a guarantee that a future attack from that specific bite will not ever surface. What will matter and make all the difference to a life is the means by which one eliminates or kills off the spirochetes and co-infections delivered into the system through the bite. One may have an excellent immune system which will help eliminate it or not. But why take the chance. This is a life threatening disease which can lay dormant in the body for years for when the immune system is not up to par. These spirochetes are extremely intelligent and know when to begin their attack. They are pleomorphic organisms and also some have been designed by humans for biowarfare. The immune system cannot recognize those designed for biowarfare and so doesn't know that it has been attacked and do not rev up to fight what they don't recognize. ABX is indicated for any tick bite, starting with Doxycycline, at around 400 to 600mg/day, until the person knows for absolute certain that they have not been infected or for taking for a minimum of 4-6 weeks, period. End of story. A bulleseye rash is only one indication. You don't necessarily have to have a bullseye rash to be infected. Many Lyme victims have never had a bullseye rash and they have Lyme Disease. sash From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net If you get the tick off pretty quick, there is little chance of any problems. I get tick bit about every 2 weeks and find one looking for a spot every few days. Do the tick search daily if not twice a day. I'd never be OFF ABX if I assumed the worst every time. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSTick Bite; attn Ode
http://www.jstor.org/pss/3283916 Hi Ken, suggest you check out this link, recent experimental work on transfer of B. Burgorferi between ticks, host animals, and humans. Also, if you have the link to your source re. 'gestation' of the bug in ticks,I'd be very interested in checking it out for my own info. Around here the tick is the black-legged, or ixodes pacificus - you probably have ixodes scapularis in your neck of the woods. Take care, Malcolm On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 05:38 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: It has to do with spirochete gestation period that only happens after a certain time after the tick gets a drop of blood. IOW it's a disease the tick has, lying dormant, that wakes up and moves TO its gut AFTER it gets a meal and takes time to develop...not one it carries around in its gut and is, therefore, not in its gut TO regurgitate till after several hours. Now...If you get to it AFTER the gestation period, sureproper removal can prevent transmission. Wadda I know..just repeating the research. I get bit several times a year and have been so covered with the little buggers I couldn't tell my jeans were blue. [and had to scrape them off with a hunting knife.. FREAKY ] Twice a day tick search..so far so good. It helps to have a friend that likes to see you naked...and a tiny little crowbar. Ode At 09:07 AM 7/6/2010 -0700, you wrote: Ode, Your statement below is generally not true. Even if one gets the tick off quickly, as you suggest, the contents of the tick's stomach may have been regurgitated into the bite and the blood and lymph will carry it to all parts of the body, quickly, and then start reproducing or hiding until it is safe to start reproducing. This includes the brain and is known as neurolyme. We have to remember that the general population, unlike you, do not have CS running through their body, nor do most even know what CS is. The reason I say your statement is generally not true is that, many people do not know how to correctly remove a tick without squeezing it. And if the tick should happen to be infected, then no matter how quickly you got the tick off of the body, the contents of the tick's stomach will have been regurgitated into the bite. Some people are very, very lucky and have immune systems that are strong and healthy, but read below, and you will see that not even that is a guarantee that a future attack from that specific bite will not ever surface. What will matter and make all the difference to a life is the means by which one eliminates or kills off the spirochetes and co-infections delivered into the system through the bite. One may have an excellent immune system which will help eliminate it or not. But why take the chance. This is a life threatening disease which can lay dormant in the body for years for when the immune system is not up to par. These spirochetes are extremely intelligent and know when to begin their attack. They are pleomorphic organisms and also some have been designed by humans for biowarfare. The immune system cannot recognize those designed for biowarfare and so doesn't know that it has been attacked and do not rev up to fight what they don't recognize. ABX is indicated for any tick bite, starting with Doxycycline, at around 400 to 600mg/day, until the person knows for absolute certain that they have not been infected or for taking for a minimum of 4-6 weeks, period. End of story. A bulleseye rash is only one indication. You don't necessarily have to have a bullseye rash to be infected. Many Lyme victims have never had a bullseye rash and they have Lyme Disease. sash From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net If you get the tick off pretty quick, there is little chance of any problems. I get tick bit about every 2 weeks and find one looking for a spot every few days. Do the tick search daily if not twice a day. I'd never be OFF ABX if I assumed the worst every time. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHow to use site
Hi Mary Ellen, Below is a url to one of the more informative articles I've seen on Lyme and protocols for controlling it, as well as discussion on why it is so debilitating and difficult to cure. As part of the protocols Colloidal Silver gets high marks, in conjunction with other adjuvant therapies. I have a friend who has Lyme, and it is truly devastating. Given that, please know that in standard disclaimer fashion I cannot know the specifics of your situation, and I don't offer advice, just what I've observed in my limited way; you are on your own here, don't doubt it for a minute! My own observation is - first get on a three to six month antibiotic protocol to get the active phase under control, (my friend got a shot of amoxicillin and ten days of pills; four months later he was flat on his back and unable to walk - literally crawled back to the emergency room;) this may include antibiotic shots to begin with. You'll probably need to winnow through several doctors to find one who has some real knowledge in treating Lyme, it has taken YEARS for the mainstream medical profession to catch on to treating this disease. I'd expect a doc who did would be agreeable to hefty long-term antibiotic treatment. Antibiotic is a Bad Word in the alternative health field, and with reason, but there are times and conditions where it is a necessary evil. The evil can be lessened by picking the right antibiotic - one that your system can handle - and other helpers like diet, probiotics. You really need a knowledgeable health care provider to help you through this project, one who will monitor your health and response to therapy with lab tests etc. Second, don't slack off, it'll come back on you if you do! Beyond that, he now (slow learner) uses the CS religiously right on through, and will foreverafter; don't mean to sound grim, but truly effective treatment is iffy, and expensive in time and bucks. The CS helps my friend keep a rein on it. I've no idea what the diatomaceous earth is supposed to do, normally it acts as a mechanical micro-sword, so to speak, to pierce parasites; in fact is is fed to cows to do just that, kills the larvae (eggs?) of the Bot fly in their stomachs. IMHO it would be ineffective in combating something as small as a spirochete and/or its spores. Unfortunately the spirochete is able to form spores, and hide out in joints and connective tissue so antibiotics alone will not cure the long-term victim. http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm Well, more than you ever wanted to know, prob'ly; it's a lousy disease and a tough one, but it can be controlled and maybe cured over time; Get help, not quicky 'cures'. Good luck. Malcolm. On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 15:54 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: I have posed a question. This is the third time. Most forums have different way to stay on top of questions. But here goes again. I have Lyme. I wss referred to this site from Wolf Creek who supplies diatamatious earth, and the terminator zappper, and colloidal silver. Someone there has been on this forum and has said that she has worked with people that have Lyme and use these products. Anyone had success. I a pretty sick and sorry for the impatience. I am desperate. The Lyme is ruining my life and need a good protocol to and wondering if anyone has used these products with Lyme with success. Thanks Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: oha...@juno.com [mailto:oha...@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHow to use site The site you are in touch with - silver-list@eskimo.com - the archives are down so all you have to do is to pose a question on what you would like information on and there are many of us here ready to assist - Regards Sandee Peace is easy . . . It is a mind set www.aliveagaingrenada.com Find solutions for your business. Click here and get it done now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m7tDKQye1Rg2PomdGA7QaMdGv d89txoB8fUp6BSWnYpfhIE/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSAnother Lyme article, less techno
Hi Mary Ellen, this article gives a more readable description, less technobabble. Sorry 'bout the first one, show that to your prospective health care type, if (s)he turns strange colors and gets grumpy, look for another provider g. http://www.townsendletter.com/Jan2005/lyme0105.htm On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 15:54 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: I have posed a question. This is the third time. Most forums have different way to stay on top of questions. But here goes again. I have Lyme. I wss referred to this site from Wolf Creek who supplies diatamatious earth, and the terminator zappper, and colloidal silver. Someone there has been on this forum and has said that she has worked with people that have Lyme and use these products. Anyone had success. I a pretty sick and sorry for the impatience. I am desperate. The Lyme is ruining my life and need a good protocol to and wondering if anyone has used these products with Lyme with success. Thanks Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: oha...@juno.com [mailto:oha...@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 2:06 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHow to use site The site you are in touch with - silver-list@eskimo.com - the archives are down so all you have to do is to pose a question on what you would like information on and there are many of us here ready to assist - Regards Sandee Peace is easy . . . It is a mind set www.aliveagaingrenada.com Find solutions for your business. Click here and get it done now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m7tDKQye1Rg2PomdGA7QaMdGv d89txoB8fUp6BSWnYpfhIE/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial
Hi Mary Ellen, I've been making my own colloidal silver with my own home-made generator for about ten years now; it's a current-controlled generator and has worked very well, producing high quality high strength CS. I don't make generators for other people, mainly because it costs too much in time and money for me to do so; I leave it to others who wish to do it as a business. I've paid attention to what others have been doing who Are in that business. I haven't gone about testing everyone else's, But I can tell you what I have noticed. along with many other people's judgements, the Silver Puppy rates very high with me, and so does the SilverGen. http://silverpuppy.com http://www.silvergen.com/ And PLEASE, take the advice of those who are urging you to check out the Lyme lists. This is what is called an Emerging Disease so the people who've got it are on the leading edge of the research about it. http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymeinfo/ There are lots of these. Take care of yourself, ok? On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:14 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial
Hi Mary Ellen, According to the blood test I don't have it, but I have a number of the symptoms. I live in tick country and have been nailed by them more times than I could count - if I even wanted to. I've had the rash circle around the bite site too. I doubt I'm cured, but it's pretty much under control. I don't know anything about the salt and vitamin C protocol, but I am a saltetarian - I like salt and use lots of it on my food; and I take vitamin C as a matter of general good health - [at least when I remember to] - a gram or two a day and maybe six grams a day if I'm feeling yucky. I get the kid's stuff that tastes better, 500 mg tablets, two at a time. I try to be nice to, and care for, myself; - I really like me - only me I've got, after all. You do the same; take care of yourself. Malcolm On Mon, 2008-06-16 at 18:54 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: Did you have Lyme. Are you cured with just doing the colloidal silver. Has anyone on this site been cured. How do you feel about the salt/vit C protocol Thanks for your info Mary Ellen -Original Message- From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 5:33 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial Hi Mary Ellen, I've been making my own colloidal silver with my own home-made generator for about ten years now; it's a current-controlled generator and has worked very well, producing high quality high strength CS. I don't make generators for other people, mainly because it costs too much in time and money for me to do so; I leave it to others who wish to do it as a business. I've paid attention to what others have been doing who Are in that business. I haven't gone about testing everyone else's, But I can tell you what I have noticed. along with many other people's judgements, the Silver Puppy rates very high with me, and so does the SilverGen. http://silverpuppy.com http://www.silvergen.com/ And PLEASE, take the advice of those who are urging you to check out the Lyme lists. This is what is called an Emerging Disease so the people who've got it are on the leading edge of the research about it. http://www.lymediseaseassociation.org/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymeinfo/ There are lots of these. Take care of yourself, ok? On Sun, 2008-06-15 at 18:14 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: What are some other generators that are Ionic silver -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 5:08 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSInfo about the best generatrorfor collodial I beg to differ, at least in principle. An ion is smaller than a stable particle of any element. Don't confuse the poor girl. I respect Frank Key's work, but this is getting to a nitpicking point that she may be too sick to understand. Ionically isolated silver is going to be the most reasonable solution. I am not arguing with your statement about the small size being more effective, but it is moot to argue about nanometers when one is talking about ions. My generator certainly produces ions, which are the smallest pieces of silver that can exist. kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal vs Ionic Silver
Hi Mary Ellen, Ok, here we go, without all the . . . . ; first off, some things dissolve easily in water - salt, sugar, alcohol (think vodka), even oxygen and nitrogen and carbon dioxide out of the air though some of these not very much. Some things don't dissolve - though you can get an argument about that, but for now; uh . . . no. So next, strange as it may seem, there are two ways things dissolve in water; they either stay themselves and their molecules just get totally swirled into and around with the water molecules - like alcohol - or they get split into two parts, a positive part and a negative. The positive and negative descriptions of the parts are there because the whatever - let's say good ol' salt - when it dissolves in water - gets torn in two so a very little extra + (plus) electric charge ends up on one piece and a matching opposite - (minus) electric charge on the other: Those are ions, a positive ion, and a negative ion, from what was salt. Neither one alone is still salt . . . I know salty water tastes like salt, it has salt in it, salt crystals in your hand taste like salt. I'm not making this stuff up; you asked, and I enjoy explaining it, but you can't get a whole chemistry class in a couple of notes so take it a bit at a time. An ion is a tiny bit of something that dissolved in water by splitting off a bit of itself, often a tiny - electric charge, an electron. So, would you believe silver will dissolve in water? Well, with a little help we can do it; basically a colloidal silver generator takes some electric charges and runs them out into a silver wire stuck into some water. There's another silver wire with the opposite kind of electric charges in the water too, but the one with the positive charges attracts one of a silver molecule's negative charges and somehow convinces that Ion of silver to leave the wire. Of course it's not all so simple, sometimes the silver ion turns right around and sticks back on, sometimes a few of them get out there, get together and steal some charges from some water and turn back into plain, but very very small particles of silver. Those particles are what make the colloidal part of the deal. The generators discussed on this list are mostly of the kind that do this with electricity; it seems to be the best way, and the colloidal silver made with them is actually part Ionic - silver ions - and part particulate. And if the particles are small, and most of them are, they are said to be colloidal which means they are SO small they won't even settle out to the bottom in the water. Generally you get about eighty percent ionic silver and twenty percent colloidal silver in a batch. Both are just fine! All for now, remember to take care of yourself! Malcolm On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 21:10 -0500, Mary Ellen Murphy wrote: I still do not understand yet the difference between Ionic and collodal silver. Between all the people who know what they are talking about to a newcomer all it is is jibber jabber. I still don't have clue what the difference is and which machine make ionics and which make colloidal. I would love just someone to give to me in laymans terms without all the...I guess arguing. Could someone help. I have read and read and you guys just have me lost. I appreciate the info but I don't think anyone has said which is ionic and which is colloidal. Thanks Mary Ellen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCOPD
Hi, COPD is alphabet soup for: Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disorder On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 10:31 -0500, Wayne Fugitt wrote: At 09:55 AM 8/1/2008, you wrote: What is COPD? Dee Hope you do not have it and you never know what it is. One more disease name the medics use. Someone will tell you the definition. Wayne -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCoonhound Paralysis
Hi, I'm not familiar with this, but was wondering if possibly your dog had gotten something - perhaps a piece of chicken, or who knows what - that was infected with salmonella bacteria. Dogs can generally handle bacterial contamination that would lay a human out sick - like about ten times the level - but they are peculiarly susceptible to salmonella spp., and the vet can possibly check it out. One of the characteristic effects of salmonella poisoning in dogs is the paralysis. I hope she recovers, it's gonna be a long haul if it is salmonella, but a number can make it and be just fine. Good luck, Malcolm On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 11:46 -0400, hj wrote: We did take her yesterday. The vet, after consulting his handbooks for about 15 minutes, came to the same conclusion. There is no treatment for this disease other than to give antibiotics and steroids a try - not something we want to do to her... If the breathing isn't affected, outlooks are pretty good, it just can take anywhere from a few weeks to several months for her to recuperate from this. We want to help her hasten the healing as much as we can, and will try most everything. She's been a very active and healthy dog (no vaccines and on a raw diet), and just laying there must be incredibly frustrating for her. Heidi I just mention this because you come to this forum for advice, but why don't you take her to the vet? Faith G. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCoonhound Paralysis
It's just a matter of who's got the tougher ticks: ones that hold their likker betterg. OTOH, could be something else, ticks in the ear notwithstanding. Can't hurt to get the tick out, if there IS one huh? Ode, you got tough ticks that's for sure. On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 09:01 -0400, Faith Gagne wrote: - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 8:21 AM Subject: Re: CSCoonhound Paralysis OK, so have an infection free paralyzed dog with a tick talking in it's ear. Somehow I think IS supersedes might and infection is another story. The tick will get full and fall off..but before the heart stops? Might. I've seen ticks walk around under pure methanol for 20 minutes. They can not breath at all for several days at a time. The alcohol didn't smother them , they probably desiccated. I've heard of this method, but it has never worked for me. Ode Well, that's strange because it always works for me. Faith G. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCoonhound Paralysis
Very Nice! Been doing the same with my own version for ~ 35 years, started off whittling a clothes pin down to a point, then ex-flytying hackle pliers, then alligator clips; unscrew the little buggers. Tried all the smothering techniques,, minimal success. During tick season I'll get maybe 50 a day off the pup - Tick Patrol every evening - toast them with the lighter, sterility doncha know . . . The very few that get into me I drop on the hot stove top - well, they aggravate me! I've also noticed that I get hyper sensitive to tiny crawling sensations on my skin - no drugs involvedg. More recently, past coupla years I've had many examples of ticks parasitizing ticks; no, this was not illicit incestuous insect love, no bug buggery; just plain ol' blood-sucking vampirism. Tough times a-comin'. Take care, M. On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 07:29 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: The tiny little crowbar: http://www.ticktwister.com/index.html Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCoonhound Paralysis
Hi Heidi, No, though actually there are similarities between botulism and salmonella in that they both produce their disastrous effects due to the [differing] toxins the bugs make rather than the infections themselves. This is why antibacterials are of minimal effect, the toxin is a poison that persists after the bug itself is long gone. F'rinstance botox is actually that toxin from the botulinum bacterium which is used (injected?) to cause micro-paralysis of tiny facial muscles, leading to relaxing the little wrinkles. In the past, salmonella poisoning of dogs was a rare occurrence except in the PNW where the anadromous fish runs in winter left many carcasses along the banks: salmon ~ ~ salmonella, trite but true. On another note, the CS may be of benefit in your dog's recovery due to its effect in promoting appropriate regeneration of tissues including peripheral innervation; see some of the work by Dr. Robert Becker with diabetic ulceration, where not only was the decubitis healed but sensation returned to the affected areas, though it again faded over time [perhaps due to the poisonous effects of insulin, but who knows?] Brooks Bradley, often a poster of valuable info to this list, has discussed colonic CS for Parvovirus in dogs, where diarrhea severely dehydrates the animal; perhaps it would be beneficial in this situation as well, if for slightly different reasons; dunno. Hope it helps, Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 10:47 -0400, hj wrote: Hi Malcolm: Thank you for your reply. You must be thinking of botulism which the vet ruled out. If it was Salmonella, the CS would have taken care of it. There is no vomiting or diarrhea. Thanks again, Heidi Hi, I'm not familiar with this, but was wondering if possibly your dog had gotten something - perhaps a piece of chicken, or who knows what - that was infected with salmonella bacteria. Dogs can generally handle bacterial contamination that would lay a human out sick - like about ten times the level - but they are peculiarly susceptible to salmonella spp., and the vet can possibly check it out. One of the characteristic effects of salmonella poisoning in dogs is the paralysis. I hope she recovers, it's gonna be a long haul if it is salmonella, but a number can make it and be just fine. Good luck, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnutra silver?
Hi Kathryn, I looked at NutraSilver's website; down at the very bottom it says: ...These statements have not been ... by the FDA ... which, the usual standard disclaimers aside, makes me wonder why all the hype about FDA approved labs, NOT - you'll notice, - product. My general purpose BS detector overheats at this sort of obfuscationg. Work in Russia (oops, USSR then) examined finely divided silver in suspensions, and I believe the conclusion was that it wasn't quite so wonderful. OTOH many water filters have used silver plated onto-into charcoal with good antibacterial effects. It would seem there's both a contact effect with 'molecular' silver and possibly another effect with the ionic solution. Silverlon and other silver containing wound dressings purportedly work by ion transport into the affected tissues. Much of Dr. Becker's work was with ionic silver produced electrolytically in-situ, particularly (eewww!) in bone and deep tissue regeneration. Perhaps Ode has some comment on his gel, whether it's primarily an ionic or a covalent sort of goop; I've read it works, anyhow. Take care, M. On Fri, 2008-08-15 at 09:04 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: I had not heard of it before, but they have a great website, with lots ofinteresting info. I called them up and talked to a man who was very helpful, in a way, what with trade secrets to protect and all. He said it is the next generation colloidial silver, and it is 3600 ppm, not salts, or ions. I looked on the lab reports site and could not find NutraSilver. But if it is not salts or ions, it would have to be protein, wouldn't it? I would not take this product, since I do not know what it is made from, I would rather make my own. kathryn On Aug 15, 2008, at 4:01 AM, dj...@home.nl wrote: Hi ALL, I have some questions .. Do you know about NutraSilver? Who is using this ,I like to know more about this ailver and more testimonials...can we make it at home...or is this to difficult? Trudy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Hi Neville, to whom it concerns? You, I think,g. Anyway, I'll take a shot at this; think of electricity as analogous to water; think of voltage as the pressure the water has tending to force it through, well, whatever; a hose (wire) a nozzle (resistor), a large or small pipe (big or small wire,and hence able to carry more or less water (electricity)) at that pressure (voltage), and also how quickly you can fill a bucket given that hose, nozzle, water pressure and size of bucket - (aahhh, the amps, or amperes, or milliamps, or microamps, etc.; the quantity of electricity flowing). In the above, keep in mind that 'water' in this illustration has nothing at all to do with the water used in making colloidal silver; here it's just a handy way to give some sense of what these odd terms like volts, milliamps, and such represent. Also for the moment we will skip any detailed consideration of how fast the electricity is moving - for purposes of the analogy it is moving at virtually the speed of light, and always does. we'll also skip how fast ions move in solution and other arcane and seemingly contradictory stuff for now, you're already getting about the first month of a beginning course on electricity in a few minutes. OK, back to the analogy then, double the pressure behind the hose, leave the nozzle the same, and you will get twice the amperage (err, water in the bucket) in the same amount of time. Or, open the nozzle to twice the size with the same pressure behind it and, voila! twice the water in the same amount of time. [unless you've got a kink in the hose, aka a big resistor in your circuit. . . ] On to the magic of CS (Colloidal Silver). The - we hope pure - water used to make CS is not what comes out of the hose. Even if it had been pure before it went into the hose it might very well not be when it came out, so I'll not muddy the water further [sorry, almost] except to point out that pure H2O has a Very high resistance to the passage of electricity - Unlike the water from most domestic water supplies, which conducts electricity well enough to give people standing barefoot in it a nasty shock if they touch the wrong thing. Very high resistance results in very little electricity moving through the water with the silver wires hanging in it. The flow of electricity, measured in amps, or milliamps, is at first extremely small and as it flows off one wire, it begins to pull small bits of silver, as molecules or ions, off of the wire into the water; and as that happens the water becomes more conductive or to put it the other way, to have less resistance. After all, now it has some ions which 'impurify' the water, allowing electricity to flow more easily from wire to wire. This process can become runaway, allowing more and more electric current to flow until the water does indeed become muddy, with Large particles of silver torn off the wire by the large current flow. This is not what we want, so it behooves us to limit the rate at which the current can flow down to a small consistent amount, perhaps a milliamp or only several hundred microamps. On the other hand, at first the resistance is So high that it seems to take forever to get the first few ions and particles of silver into the water, so we tend to raise the voltage (electrical pressure) on the wire initially to cause more electric current flow and get those first few into the water speedily. There are electronic circuits which can sense how much electric current is flowing, and also limit it to some preselected value; and one of the ways they manage this throttling is by controlling the electric pressure (aka voltage) allowed through them to the silver wire. All for now, hope this helps; M. On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 16:32 +0930, Neville wrote: OK people, by George I do believe I have finally got it. I have been digesting all of this while you were all making 'zeds' and now the light bulb has finally lit. If I understood electricity better I would have seen it earlier. Current is high when first starting and gradually falls as production proceeds. What is required is a 'current limiter' so that when enough time has passed and the process gets to the current limiter rating...that is the time to stop production. As I suggested to someone earlier, I'm sorry but I can't remember who so no offence meant, voltage is just the means to an end. This is what stumped me on the weekend... I hooked the amp meter on and the reading never stopped, it kept...damn, I am going to have to check that again, but I think it kept going down. Now I understand what is going on. I set everything up using tap water to get instant results, or readings if you like, and the reading was changing almost every second. I expected it to remain the same. AH HA!! If what I have stated here is correct thenI HAVE FINALLY GOT IT SUSSED! I didn't realise just how 'blunt' this knife was! No good me talking to a 'sparky' as it
Re: CSTO WHOM IT CONCERNS.
Hi Neville, think of a capacitor as a bathtub (or pressure tank?) for electrons - - The stripes on resistors Are hard to read, that's why I use a multimeter. And as you will soon discover, there are other striped animals in the electronic jungle but they're easy to spot (eewww!) with your trusty digital multimeter. Even the el-cheapo ~$10 digital multimeters are way more than good enough, just be sure they can measure AC amperes; DC amperes; AC volts; DC volts; and Ohms. A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away - the navy - I was taught a mildly offensive little jingle to remember the color coding of electronic components: Bad Boys Rape Our Young Girls But Violet Gives Willingly; Get Some Now Black = 0 Brown = 1 Red= 2 Orange = 3 Yellow = 4 Green = 5 Blue = 6 Violet = 7 Grey = 8 White = 9 Gold = 5% tolerance Silver = 10% tolerance No color = 20% tolerance Have fun, Malcolm A book on basic electronics won't burn up your brain too much. Just knowing the difference between a parallel and series circuit and how to hook up a multimeter to read what will take you a long way. Ode AMEN -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSParticle size - Comments please
Hi; this is a little too mechanistic to account for the body's ability to break down and recombine not only proteins sugars and fats but also mineral constituents of what we ingest. Nevertheless, it's been stated here in the past that 80 - 90% of CS is excreted through the bowel; I don't know if this is really true or not, but there are a few confusion factors to muddy the issue for ya.g On Thu, 2008-09-04 at 14:54 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Ok, I am responding to my own query. If I have something wrong, let me know. This may only be an exercise without use except as my attempt to understand CS and it's limits as best as I can. What I have found: * Nothing on the permeability limits of sublingual although I expect it to be less than the intestinal permeability. * The permeability of the intestines allows the passing of molecules up to 9200 Daltons, typically. * While Daltons is a measure of molecular weight, 9200 Daltons roughly equates to 13 Angstroms. * As a sanity test, NaEDTA is used to measure intestinal permeability. Being a relatively large molecule (approximately 11 Angstroms) it has roughly a 5% (to maybe 18%) absorption rate. One can measure the levels of NaEDTA in the blood stream against the expected amount that should have been absorbed and determine if the permeability of the intestines is to high or too low. This correlates well with the previous statement. * CS with a yellow color has particle sizes in the .01 to .001 micron (10 to 100 Angstroms). * This would mean that most if not nearly all the CS particles in a yellow batch is not absorbable by the digestive system. (assuming a symmetrical distribution such as an even or Gaussian distribution) * There are factors such as pH and electrical charge that can increase or decrease absorption. * This would also mean that little CS is absorbed sublingually. Comments? Ideas? - Steve N -Original Message- From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2008 8:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSParticle size Does anyone know what the maximum size particle is that can be absorbed into the body either sublingually or through the stomach and intestines? - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ?
Hi Neville, I don't think you've got DC theory down yet and AC theory is already rearing it's ugly head for you. Safety first, though. 240VAC (that is, Volts [of] Alternating Current) is deadly; I was taught the One hand in your pocket rule regarding ANY high voltage. This tends to reduce the chance of passing electric current from one hand to the other through the heart; glad your mom survived! So; on to the mythical 24 volts DC from a wall-wart; Alternating Current is electricity that varies in a smooth (we hope) manner, over time, 50 or 60 times per second, with the voltage pushing it rising to a maximum value which is about 1.4 times higher than the stated value of, for instance, a positive 120 Volts, then sinking in value through 0 Volts, then proceeding smoothly until a minimum (i.e. maximum negative) value of about 1.4 times negative 120 Volts, returning through 0 volts again and so on. there is a difference of 240 volts electrical potential between the greatest positive ROOT-MEAN-SQUARE value and the greatest negative RMS value. Why the confusion factor of 1.4 times? (RMS?)? Aahhh, AC theory, that's why! If you were to simply use a Direct Current value of 240 volts (240VDC) between the supply and return electric lines there would be quite a bit more power available in the lines than there is when the AC voltage is at less than it's maximum positive or negative value for significant parts of the alternating cycle. To compensate - more or less [Bad pun, Bad!]- for this the electrical engineering wizards in their infinite mathematical wizardry calculated that upping the ante to 1.414141... times the nominal value for AC would give the same power carrying capacity that a DC supply at that nominal value would exhibit; simple, no? No. But there you are. There are some weird consequences to this hokey-pokey, one being that your 24VDC wall-wart can yield about 1.4 times its nominal voltage when it is very lightly loaded. More fun; Malcolm On Sat, 2008-09-06 at 22:33 +0930, Neville wrote: - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:26 PM Subject: CSLED's, What Voltage ? How Dangerous ? Morning Wayne, Not sure if you are directing this at me? Just in case you are I would like to say that the although the adaptor I am using plugs in to 240 Volt mains supply, (our mains power supply is 240 V), it is 24Volt DC output. Not sure if you are thinking I am using 24 volt AC MAINS SUPPLY power on my CS generator, as that is NOT the case, it runs on DC not AC. I can also remember when I was 3 or 4 years old, (long before school), my mother screamed from the laundry and as I walked in to see her she told me to get out, rather abruptly, (I thought I had done something wrong you see, and as it happened I almost DID), I can still see here in my minds eye today getting the strength up to rip her clenched hand off the top of the agitator on the old washing machine and after doing so immediately lying down on a bed. To this day I will never understand how she managed to remain alive, considering the time lapse spoken of here, and ripping her clenched hand free from the machine due to the electricity acting on the muscles in her fingers, and not being killed, (one tough SOB I guess). When I was older she told me that she yelled at me because she knew I would touch her and then I would get it also. From this I always approach electricity with the back of my hand as if it is live I won't grasp whatever it is I touch...she taught me that. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSInformation4U article on CS and silver coated tubes in surgery
Hi Rowena, Thank You very much for digging this out and posting it! Take care, Malcolm On Sun, 2008-09-07 at 23:37 +0800, Rowena wrote: COLLOIDAL SILVER'S VALUE http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Information4U A new study published in JAMA is sure to have an unintended result – dramatically boosting the sales of colloidal silver around the country as a powerful immune support mineral. The study was actually about the use of silver-coated tubes in hospital patients, and it showed a 36 percent reduction of ventilator-associated pneumonia (VAP), with a 48% reduction over the first 10 days (the common length of tube use for many). Silver has been used in Greece, Rome, and Europe for centuries as a medicinal germ-killing metal to prevent food spoilage, enhance wound healing, and protect against nasty infections like the plague. Various antibiotic silver preparations were in widespread use in the United States prior to the invention of the FDA, meaning that silver has been grandfathered in as a natural remedy the FDA has little control over. Nevertheless, the FDA routinely attacks makers of colloidal silver – especially when products are associated with claims of curing AIDS or some other nasty infection. In fact, the FDA makes an effort to discredit silver as an effective antibiotic even when there is a mountain of evidence and consumer use that says otherwise. Naturally there are higher quality silver products, but the overall tone of the FDA is more like the mafia trying to protect turf. The new JAMA study is interesting for several reasons. Tube-related infections are life-threatening and cause many unnecessary deaths every year. Bacteria and Candida form biofilms on tubes, which is actually an effort on the part of one's body to reject a foreign substance that has come into close contact with living tissue. Such infections cause your immune system to go and look at the tube, and if your immune system had its way it would dissolve the tube to get rid of it. This natural defense against the tube poses a serious treatment challenge when a tube has a medical necessity to be there – especially for any length of time. The silver-coated tubes were designed to steadily release silver ions, not much different than taking colloidal silver as a dietary supplement. The researchers explain how this works, Silver kills bacteria and yeast by sticking to the organisms' enzymes, genetic material and other molecular components, preventing basic functions and interfering with reproduction. These organisms very rarely develop resistance to silver, and the metal has no known side effects in humans. The new endotracheal tubes are coated with a silver-containing polymer, created by C.R. Bard Inc., that releases silver ions to the surface of the tubes. There, silver exerts a broad-spectrum antimicrobial effect, reduces adhesion of bacteria to the tube and blocks the formation of biofilms, communities of microorganisms that build up special protective structures on surfaces… this is just the beginning for this kind of technology. A silver renaissance is now under way. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Hi Steve, No disrespect, but this is a Very Bad idea for a number of reasons. First, there are nooks and crannies you will never get to where the water will remain; Second, much tap water is fairly conductive and will hide under small electronic components on circuit boards, and in the windings of the high voltage transformer, causing short circuits and very possibly fires and almost certainly destroying the microwave; third, putting the device in the tub, often metal, and with grounded water pipes, almost universal, is an invitation to electrocution. I'm glad you've gotten away with it, but that is probably more a combination of good luck and good (non-conductive) water; fourth, again tap water in contact with the metal of electronic bits and pieces will corrode them, and that corrosion itself will disable the electronics inside in short order. You have definitely horrified me and I'd urge anyone reading your post to check with a local electronic appliance repair shop or TV technician on such a procedure. On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 16:23 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, I am probably going to horrify some with my recommendation but you can clean your microwave in your bathtub with tap water. The one thing I am not sure of is the magnetron which is mounted on the side or top of the microwave chamber and generates the actual microwaves. It has been sometime since I tore one of those apart but as I recall they are not water tight. I would mask off the magnetron with plastic and tape to keep out water and ammonia. I have cleaned a number of TVs and other electronics with tap water with no problems. Just rinse the cleaning solution off Very Well and Dry Completely before use. Water can be trapped in connectors and so check they are dry inside as well as outside. I find that drying in direct sunlight for a couple or three days is usually enough if the days are warm. Before you open the microwave, let it set for 2 to 3 days unplugged to discharge the capacitors. BTW, TVs also have a high voltage capacitor on the versions with a picture tube. This is what I would do. - Steve -Original Message- From: Clayton Family [mailto:clay...@skypoint.com] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Hi Kathryn, What about a hepa filter 'High Efficiency Particulate Air' vacuum cleaner as well as a more general household hepa filter; Honeywell makes a bunch of these, though I don't know their real - as opposed to advertised - quality. Industrial strength filters are available for applications such as laminar flow hoods with Guarantees of less than one percent of particles under a micron or so size at very low pressure drop across the filter; if I remember correctly, five to ten microns is considered the worst for us mammals w/lungs. Another thought; though common household bleach (Blech!) has a bad rep in many applications, it is about the most effective household disinfectant that dissipates in a reasonable amount of time. Ammonia? Hhmmm, De gustibus non disputandum. After it dries, a week or so? Hhmm again. Cut down on spore dispersal, suck em up while they're a wee bit damp and bound to their companion particles. After all, the trick is not just to kill nasty little life-forms, but to rid your environment of nasty little dead particles left over from god-knows-what nasty little things whether they grew on-site or arrived otherwise. In Almost ALL microwave ovens there is a resistor across the terminals of the high voltage capacitor, called a bleeder resistor and put there solely to 'bleed off the high voltage. There's no sure thing about this, but a competent small appliance repair shop or TV tech. should be able to verify it's there or not, and still functioning or not. Alternatively, the knowledgeable adventurous can take a screwdriver with a good uncracked plastic handle and a piece of insulated electrical wire w/alligator clips on the ends, clip one alligator to the metal blade of the screwdriver, other end to the metal chassis of the microwave oven innards (that's just to reduce the possibility of becoming a bleeder resistor yourself) and touch the metal blade of the screwdriver between both the terminals of the capacitor. If you're not sure what a capacitor looks like, forget the whole crazy idea, it's not worth getting zapped! Other safety hints, stand on dry cardboard, a couple of thicknesses, wear rubber gloves and -soled shoes, one hand behind your back, don't lean on the counter or sink, etc., etc. thimk! Snile!! Some other options; ionic air filters or static precipitators, not just the negative ion generators, which are nice but hardly up to whole room air cleaning, whatever they say; however any of these address the problem of non-biological toxic particles. Almost any surface finish like paint or varnish can be a prob, you probably know most of this stuff already. To get a look at what else may help, check out what commercial mushroom growers go through to prevent contamination. After all, they provide ideal environments for not only their own preferred portobellos but any other wild species of fungal or mycobacterial spore that drifts in to set up it's version of reproduction in paradise. On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:45 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVarification?
Hi Neville, As a book I once saw had for a title There Are No Electrons g We think there are, they are an explanatory device to help us navigate a world of Energy we try to fiddle with - - well, I see I've run over your word limit. . . . . . On the other hand, there ARE holes; Oh yes, the very definitive Lack of electrons. Holes are hungry, or so it seems to us, they are hungry for - you guessed it - electrons, [which is why there are no electrons, I guess, sort of like pac-man munching along.] [Except, maybe, at the philosophical 'zero point', the very belly button of quantum creation, but I digress.] Now if the wholly (err,) imaginary electrons are for some mysterious reason going from 'negative' (another mythological construct) to 'positive' is it not reasonable to expect the holes would do the opposite in their ravenous hunt?? 'Course it is! Which is really the electricity though, clock- or counter-? Well, like at the ZP, it all happens at once, both ways. And indeed these conceptual entities are not waiting in some conceptual energy buckets you could pour out into a wire through the electron or hole funnels, they are already everywhere, and tend toward equilibrium. Various influences including our tendency to meddle with stuff, disturbs this energy equilibrium, and we make use of the disequilibrium for our own nefarious purposes. On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 09:22 +0930, Neville wrote: OK, I have researched electronics a bit now but as I can't find a definitive answer I need to ask? One has a circuit...looking at a clock face, (for the purpose of explanation), at 6:00 you have the input power source, say a 9V battery, (for simplicity), the positive connector is on the right, negative on the leftnow, does the electricity run directional? ie; does it circulate starting at the positive passing the 3:00 and return through the negative, or does it pass around the 9:00 and return to the positive...or neither, and just 'flows' so to speak to complete a circuit meaning there is no 'particular' directional flow. If electricity has no 'particluar' directional 'flow' then I need not ask the second question I have regarding placement of resistors or anything else in a circuit as they will take 'control' anyway, regardless of directional 'flow', (if electricity 'flows'). Sorry for being a time waster but have to ask as I can't find an answer that is definitive enoughmaybe that's the answer to my question right there! There's no 'directional' flow, it just 'completes' a circuit! Similar to the garden hose thing I read about, the water just goes into the circle but can go either direction from the 6:00 position to just meet up somewhere around that clock face to make the circuit complete. Your resident electronics expert...Neville. P.S. 25 words or less would be good...! :-) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVarification?
Well that's the meter's fault, it's actually kinda handy when the little minus sign shows up to tell me which side is what, or not, to show the opposite. On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 10:46 +0930, Neville wrote: No worries Chuck. It's just that I am concentrating on 'flow' because when I hook the meter up to measure something, (can't remember what at the moment), and I hook the pos and neg probes...like so...I get no reading and when I reverse probes from neg to pos...like so...I then do get a reading, this is why I asked about electricity 'flowing' in a directional manner. I just thought if I understood 'flow' then everything else would fall into place easier. Yep, it's OK, leave it with me, I'll look at the Maxwell thing. Oh by all means, we'll hear from you in a few years; how Are you at multivariable vector calculus, btw? g N. - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: CSVarification? Neville, The flow is whatever you need it to be as long as you're consistent while you're working this particular circuit. There are two theories depending on whether you're doing electronics or doing electrician. Both will work, but the assumed flows are opposite of each other. Pick one, I suggest electronic, and stick with it until much later. You really can't do both unless you're an engineer. Hint: look up Maxwells mesh equations. Maybe on wikipedia. Chuck -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Many toxins are actually bits and pieces of dead bacteria and fungi or their excretion products; thus the microwave may actually contribute more toxins to some minor degree. Also there are many parts of the oven that aren't irradiated, but just collect dust and particulate debris because of that durn fan blowing air and making dust-bunnies. On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 13:15 +0100, Dee wrote: I would have thought that just to turn the microwave on would kill any toxins in it! dee Clayton Family wrote: Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThinking about current flow: for Neville
Ummm, On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:36 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote: Dear Neville, You write: [The actual linear velocity of the electrons within the wire is proportional to the current: Zero with the switch off, and limited by ohm's law, ie. total circuit resistance and voltage, when on.] As a simple example...the higher the current, the quicker the 'flow', (forgetting ohms law for the moment)... yes? The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in the wire. well not really, though more of them will be moving in the (roughly) same direction past a given point; that is, after all, what Current is. It's not that the electrons run faster from end to end, hence increasing the current; it's that higher voltage crowds them in more densely: for yet another very imperfect analogy, more get stuffed into the subway train, but the train doesn't go any faster, and so more get out at their destination, per unit of time (hours if you live in New York!) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Yes, a good point! In fact often you can short out a capacitor several times in a row and get a spark each time; Yikes! High voltage capacitors are especially likely to behave this way, because the insulating element that separates the two plates of the cap becomes formed by the electrical pressure - the voltage - impressed on it. this tends to drive it's electrons toward or away from the positive or negative plates. When the voltage is removed, the electrons tend to migrate back to their former positions and induce a further charge on them, a new equilibrium. On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 14:29 -0400, bob Larson wrote: ...TV's and monitors with CRT's can accumulate charge in unplugged storage even if the cap is drained initially. i forget how it works, but it's apparently true. -Original Message- From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com] Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 1:40 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts The microwave that I have, which I am considering using for CS, has a resistance associated with it to discharge the capacitor. Not sure how long it takes. The TV will hold a charge for a long time. Dan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS OT - Hemp Oil Cures Cancer Video
Kathryn,how didya know? Yeah, actuelly we'r all from Sirius the Dawg star 'bout a hunnert years ago, gran sed, we'r diffrnt'n you an we'r same's each other and we'r gonna take over yore good ol' yew ess of ayy any day now, soon's we kin get straight enuff Oh, wait, thass the rednecks gonna dew thet; er did they? Shucks, it's jes impossible t'keep it all clear less'n you gots a TEEVEE ta sort it out fer ya. Cain't hardly get no reeceptshun here, thass the problum, dumbhead naydivs outta sillicone valley keep thinkin' they're thinkin'. An' Talk! whyn't they jes Shut-Up like Mistr O reilly tol'um to, betcha he come from a nuther planit too like us'n Dumbheads!thinks they knows better'n othr'ns jes cuz they went ta sum dumbass school; we don' need no dumbass school ta tell US what ta think about. An I allready knowed video cures cancer, so ther! Abjure obfuscation uncle wiggly On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 12:53 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: OMG- you live in that freaky so-left-wing-it- made ted kennedy look like a right winger- town of santa cruz. Sorry to hear that. You have my condolences. kathryn On Sep 12, 2008, at 2:04 AM, ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: In our town the city council is lifting the smoking ban at the park so that people can smoke medicinal marijuana. How are things going in your town? (^_^) http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localstories/ci_10417491 Best wishes, Andy In a message dated 9/10/2008 4:41:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, csa...@netzero.net writes: Dear Silver List Members, Check out the video at this link. http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Video- Cannabis_Oil_Cures_Cancer -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThinking about current flow: for Neville
Didit; but other than that small glitch it was an excellent explanation for Neville's purposes, Props!! On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 18:59 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote: Okay, guys, I yield! But if you can come up with *better* imagery that's intuitive *and* rigorous, I'm all ears! grin Mike D. Evening Mike, At 10:41 AM 9/12/2008, you wrote: The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in the wire. In that case, how can one calculate watts ? Measure or guess ? Unless I misunderstand it, ... what you stated disproves ohms law. I guess I misunderstand it grin Wayne = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Hi, almost forgot; the clothes dryer is infamous for collecting lint, dust, and after years of use, suddenly catching on fire. This is not the best way to clean it though. Usually the front panel can be wangled free and the truly incredible amounts of foof peeled off the motor, pulleys and whatnot. Definitely a worthwhile airborne toxin reduction method! On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 15:45 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: Dear List, I am trying to rid my house of airborne toxins. These may have accumulated in the inner working of the microwave as they did in the fridge. One way to detoxify these things (according to Dr Croft, a pathologist) is to spray them down liberally with ammonia solution and let it dry thoroughly (days, a week or even 2). So it seems to me that this would be inherently hazardous where a MW oven is concerned what with the HV storage capacitor or whatever. I can't think of any good way to do it. It may well be healthier to just get a new one. Simpler for certain, but where is the fun in that? Maybe there is a cheap one at Menards or something. Thanks, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThinking about current flow: for Neville
Hi Marshall, we certainly disagree on this one, check out positive and negative doping of semiconductors, obviously there can be more and looser - so to speak - electrons within lattice structures and more than there are protons to balance them. Further, due to the strains between crystal interfaces - polish some metal and etch it and you'll see them - various parts of any piece of metal will have different quantities of electron propagation at some voltage across the particular crystal interfaces. Also the inherent resistance of various metals and alloys - compare silver and inconel or even iron for instance - gives an illustration of the confused and by no means linear effect of electric pressure on so-called free electrons in metals. In other words, although the signal travels at just slightly less than the speed of light, and though I grant that increasing the pressure on an electron will tend to cause it to be more likely to move, the effective increase in current in, say, a wire is overwhelmingly a matter of getting more electrons moving than getting any one, or billion, of them to move faster from one end of the wire to the other. More current causes more heat, causes less current. Anyhow, that's what I was taught; perhaps the sands have shifted from under my feet, that has happened before. Superconductivity is another matter, and I don't know anything about electron flow in superconductors. Take care, Malcolm On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 11:18 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: Malcolm wrote: Ummm, On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:36 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote: Dear Neville, You write: [The actual linear velocity of the electrons within the wire is proportional to the current: Zero with the switch off, and limited by ohm's law, ie. total circuit resistance and voltage, when on.] As a simple example...the higher the current, the quicker the 'flow', (forgetting ohms law for the moment)... yes? The higher the voltage or lower the resistance, then yes, the current will be higher, which means the electrons are moving faster in the wire. well not really, though more of them will be moving in the (roughly) same direction past a given point; that is, after all, what Current is. It's not that the electrons run faster from end to end, hence increasing the current; it's that higher voltage crowds them in more densely: for yet another very imperfect analogy, more get stuffed into the subway train, but the train doesn't go any faster, and so more get out at their destination, per unit of time (hours if you live in New York!) The number of electrons inside a wire is constant, and independent of any voltage on the wire, it will be equal to the number of protons in the nucleus, always. Now if you put high voltage on a wire, the number of electrons on the surface will vary due to the capacitance effects on the surface, but this is trivial compared to the number of electrons inside the wire. If what you were saying were true, then applying a positive voltage to a wire that is grounded would result in a reduction of current as the voltage is increased, since that would result in fewer electrons in the wire. Ohms law is correct whether the wire has a positive voltage or negative voltage on it since the voltage on a wire has no effect on the number of carriers inside the wire. It only affects their average velocity. Think in terms of a pipe with water. Adding pressure does not change the amount of water in the pipe, except by any little amount the pipe stretches, but adding pressure drop from one end of the pipe to the other changes the velocity of the water in the pipe, thus the flow increases. Voltage equals pressure, current equals flow. It is actually pretty simply to do the math. An electron experiences a pull when in an electric field. This pull is the vector product of the voltage gradient and the charge on the electron. The electron experiences an acceleration which is mathematically equal to this force divided by the mass of the electron. However before it has gone far, it bumps into an atom, and loses it's velocity, and the kinetic energy is converted to heat. This is what give wire resistance. Now if you can couple the electrons together into pairs, they can actually flow without bumping into the atoms, and that is how a superconductor, which has no resistance, works. Marshall Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSThinking about current flow: for Neville
AMEN! Just look what you got us into, Neville! g On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 13:27 -0500, Dan Nave wrote: You approach this from physics perspective, which will give a complete (but complex) understanding. For the most part, simple electrical circuits may be more easily understood without referring to the speed of electrons. After all, where is the variable for electron speed in Ohm's law? Of course, when we get into actual electrolysis in the CS cell, we have to ask you about it... ;-)) Dan -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSThinking about current flow: for Neville Malcolm wrote: Ummm, On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 15:36 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote: Dear Neville, The number of electrons inside a wire is constant, and independent of any voltage on the wire, it will be equal to the number of protons in the nucleus, always. Now if you put high voltage on a wire, the number of electrons on the surface will vary due to the capacitance effects on the surface, but this is trivial compared to the number of electrons inside the wire. If what you were saying were true, then applying a positive voltage to a wire that is grounded would result in a reduction of current as the voltage is increased, since that would result in fewer electrons in the wire. Ohms law is correct whether the wire has a positive voltage or negative voltage on it since the voltage on a wire has no effect on the number of carriers inside the wire. It only affects their average velocity. Think in terms of a pipe with water. Adding pressure does not change the amount of water in the pipe, except by any little amount the pipe stretches, but adding pressure drop from one end of the pipe to the other changes the velocity of the water in the pipe, thus the flow increases. Voltage equals pressure, current equals flow. It is actually pretty simply to do the math. An electron experiences a pull when in an electric field. This pull is the vector product of the voltage gradient and the charge on the electron. The electron experiences an acceleration which is mathematically equal to this force divided by the mass of the electron. However before it has gone far, it bumps into an atom, and loses it's velocity, and the kinetic energy is converted to heat. This is what give wire resistance. Now if you can couple the electrons together into pairs, they can actually flow without bumping into the atoms, and that is how a superconductor, which has no resistance, works. Marshall Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: cleaning microwave guts
Hi Jon, I may have been getting a little overenthused, but was trying to address multiple forms of contamination: 1)bacteria and fungi, 2)toxic detritus from same, 3)other environmental pollutants such as outgassing from building materials, dust, gaseous and microparticular drift from numerous sources out- or in-doors which are not life forms or the products or remains of same. I agree whole heartedly sunlight is an excellent anti-bacterial, ozone can be a bit tricky since it oxidizes one's lung tissue, UV light can help, but bacteria are notorious for 'hiding' from UV in water purifiers by hitching a ride on tiny particles - even colloids - in the water and I'd suspect they can do so in air. Of course bleach is not much more useful against inanimate particles, other than being an oxidizer, than water. Kathryn seems to have found significant benefit from using ammonia, which may nitrify organic pollutants, dunno, new one on me. g Take care, Malcolm On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 14:04 +0900, Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Just curious, and not quibbling, but given that this group is devoted to EIS, why not use that? Might it not be less oxidative? Taking things one step further: mightn't sunlight do the job?If one can spray something onto the components, sunlight might also reach them. I have read that 48 hours of sunlight on PET-bottled water renders it fit to drink -- the poor man's last-ditch water purification system. On Saturday, Sep 13, 2008, at 00:05 Asia/Tokyo, Norton, Steve wrote: Kathryn, You should consider Malcolms suggestion about using bleach. It is a great disinfectant and does dissipate leaving no residue. It generally isn't used for electronics because it is an oxidant and can corrode metals but if you dry the microwave in a reasonable time it should be no problem. One approach might be to: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHere's one for Chuck!
everything else is getting bigger? On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 22:14 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote: If the dollar keeps getting smaller, why do they call it inflation? wink Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDistilling technique...
Hi Mike, some things occur to me; not all the organics are volatile at boiling or below; as an example of this consider that some purification processes use steam distillation to carry over oils in a water bath. Further the stainless may leach something into the boiling water, something it's pores could hold with a tenacity that resists rinsing and the initial drive off the volatiles process. Glass is best, some of the old pyrex stuff is available at goodwills, though it's a little small for the batches you're making. You might try using a vacuum to lower the B.P., in conjunction with a closed system; say a pressure cooker and a coil condenser. I used to run a pressure cooker with a homemade cooling coil of stainless immersed in a cool-water bath and directly into a glass jug. worked pretty well. I've ended up with a R.O. system and then a mixed resin bed de-ionizer, gets both pos and neg ions, and get water down to a nominal 0.1 microSiemens as measured on a com 100. Thass good enough for me, also passes the taste test. When tasting water, though, it's a good idea to have a comparison sample of water you can trust; rinse and go back and forth a few times.. Rainwater may or may not be good, depends on what pollutants may be in the air. Temperature control can be a significant factor, glass is always best, borosilicate lab glass. So-called soda glass, common, is not the ultimate, but usually works, 'specially after a (VERY tiny) bit of sodium has leached out of it, but that's down to Assay work. Hope this helps, Malcolm On Tue, 2008-09-16 at 15:06 -0005, M. G. Devour wrote: Those of you who've been making your own distilled water for a while can probably answer this... Now that I've been able to make a few gallons of my own distilled water, I'm less than thrilled with the taste of it. If I didn't know any better I'd say it tastes a bit like plastic, though my senses of taste and smell are marginal at the moment. In any case, it definitely has a stale or chemical kind of taste to it. The distillate path consists entirely of the glass lid and glass jar. Could the glass be leaching something? I let the water come to a rolling boil before putting the lid on, so I'd assume any volatiles are boiling off. Is that adequate? Or, are there things in the tap water that are close enough to the boiling point of water that they're getting carried through the distillation process? I suppose I should filter the tap water before distilling, right? That and maybe collecting rainwater? grin Any advice? Thanks! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEICS colour?
Hi Neville, Color is not an indication of ppm or strength, it is an indication of the particle Size in your brew. Yellow is indicative of a particle size that absorbs the violet component of light (rather short wavelength, hence moderately small particle size.) NO color - water clear - is the best, and attention to the purity of the water and employing a current of less than 1 milliamp per square inch of the active silver electrode in your water is a common rule of thumb, though I find 100 microamps per, to work well for me. I also try to keep the electrodes clean which seems to make great difference for my brew, and reversing current between the electrodes every so often, perhaps every five or ten minutes when I don't get distracted g. Stirring, and using cool, 65 - 70 Fahrenheit water seem to help also. take care, Malcolm On Wed, 2008-09-17 at 12:17 +0930, Neville wrote: Hi All, Yep, I'm back! Assume everything has settled down so I thought I could come out of hiding...joking of course...g Perhaps someone could give me the colour ranges of LVDC CS, starting with clear and progressing through the colour changes after that? Except 'black', don't bother with 'black' as I'm never going to go that far. My research states 'yellow' is always the first colour which becomes apparent when producing colloids. I have researched some information but prefer a personal appraisal. I am using Pure Water at the moment as the supermarket I usually get my Distilled Water from is closed for refurbishment. Can't say I'm happy with Pure Water though, even though I got it from the chemist 'cos this is what they use in making up medications so I figured it should be pretty much the best that is available for the man, oops, and woman in the street. I have never had colour changes using DW in the past but with this PW the colours I have got are...clear, yellow and 'pink-ish'. I have been starting to add a quantity of previous batches of CS also and believe this could be the reason for the colour changes, even though I use the same method of production and time frame, (don't ask me why though, and I am aware of 'seeding' the water). I don't usually add previous CS as a 'seed', I just use the water straight out of the bottle. The ambient temperatures are starting to increase here due to seasonal change so the reason could be simply that, but somehow I doubt it. Every other time I have made CS in the past it has always been clear, hovering around the 10-15ppm, (give and take depending on what ppm I decide I want at the time), so have decided to stick with Distilled, I definitely won't consider Demineralised. These results are the reason for my question about colour changes. Enn...dem...err...preferably under 1000 words? g Just simple colour changes will suffice. A 'concensus of opinion' regarding the ppm of each colour would also be helpful, so I can do a comparison with my meter tested results. If your ppm results is with the use of the Com 100 TDS/EC/TEMP meter or Hanna TDS 1 'ppm...?' meter, perhaps you could include that also so I know what meter to use, (I have both), OH, and I will need to know what setting the Comm meter is set on. I also know about the use of meters in testing 'ppm' when they are basically only conductivity meters but if I use the same setting as you then I will be far better able to make my comparisons. Information I have states the Com 100 meter should be set to either EC/KCl or Nacl for colloidal silver. Don't bother with water temperature as I haven't checked my water temperatures before/or during production anyway, I'll just 'read between the lines' so to speak, it's only to give me a fairly good idea that's all, to narrow down the 'guesswork' without laboratory testing, (cash and the lack thereof). You see, I know that there are several of you here that have been 'into' CS for quite some time so thought I would ask you 'straight up'. This way I will know 'straight from the horses mouth' so to speak, and it can be considered more 'trusted and reliable'. Neville. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeso vs. Ionic silver?
Hi Kathryn, Are you referring to the process as it (ionic silver solution) is made electrically, or in general? Ionic silver is soluble in water, fairly slightly, like 20 ppm or more or less, depending. It's not a compound that dissolves ionically like salt. But that brings up the other side of the thing; some substances dissolve in water non-ionically; would the addition of sugar or ether, or ??? result in precipitation of the ionic silver out of solution or perhaps as hydroxide, or some strange organic silver salt?? Does a form of silver exist as ionic other than as it is formed in water? Confusion reigns; Malcolm On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:28 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: A colloid is not soluble, it is a suspension. snippity snip The ionic silver is only in the water because there is nothing else in the water. If there was anything else in the water, it would combine with it. So, ionic silver is not really water soluble either, not in the way salt is water soluble. Ah the beauties of definitions. Kathryn On Sep 18, 2008, at 11:26 AM, gmetrop...@aol.com wrote: This ino was printed in a post of a man treating his family after antibiotics for lyme. He has been helped with Mesosilver and states the reason ionic is not as good. I thought consensus was that it was the ionic part that is most beneficial. Here's whaat the article staed: Ionic silver is not the same as metallic silver nanoparticles . For example, metallic silver is not water soluble (does not dissolve in water) but ionic silver is water soluble (it does dissolve in water). -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMessy vs. Ionic silver?
On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 07:55 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: I am speaking in general terms. Salts dissolve in water, along with many other things. Soluble in water means that the bonds holding the compound together break when water is introduced, like salts, or sugar. If you take some dirt, it will go into the water, but will probably not dissolve much, and the wet dirt will settle to the bottom. Some of the dirt might be fine enough, of a small enough particle size to be suspended in water. Some of that will be clay sized, and will also settle to the bottom after some time, a tiny percentage might be finer still, and will not settle out- it will stay suspended in water, and this would be the colloid fraction. A colloid is a size of particle. Yes, I know something about colloids, and have used the settling test to determine the clay content of my garden soil; boots gain ten pounds easy, in winter. Brownian motion has fascinated me since watching my grandmother's cigarette smoke and the dust Sunday mornings in the sunbeams. She told me about the drunkard's walk too. g All this will occur in water, tap water, that normally has other stuff dissolved in the water as well. Now with getting silver to be ionically in solution requires that the water be very pure and have nothing else in it, or else the silver will react with whatever is there, and then you would have silver compounds. So it is not really soluble in water, it is an artificial solution made with specific parameters. I've actually gotten some dissolution of ionic silver, I think, into R.O. + de-ionized water, off the 'trodes with no electric current; not much, but a higher reading than I get from simply leaving the water in the jar exposed to the air. Perhaps the wire surface from previous electrolysis was pitted on a fine enough scale to encourage some dissolute ionic misbehavior. . . . . There are silver salts, like silver nitrate, which will dissolve in water, but that is not what we are after. That is caustic and poisonous. Silver by itself is pretty safe and non-toxic. Silver in compound form is not either, most of the time. It has become something entirely different, and has new properties specific to whichever compound has been made. Well, back to my original query which I didn't make clear: There are both ionic and co-valent I think they are called solutions, ionic like the classic example of table salt or covalent like sugar - or to the limited degree it does so, ether; Alcohols, I dunno from. So my question was: having a solution of ionic silver already in hand - in jar - were you saying that any addition to the solution, whether an ionic or covalent compound, or an element, would cause the silver ions to regain neutral charge, precipitate out, be driven to hydroxide or whatever, and if that were the case, what would be their likely fate? OTOH, were you saying that in order to Make CS you need pure water, in which case I misunderstood your drift when you said, The ionic silver is only in the water because there is nothing else in the water. ... I hope this has helped some Kathryn At least it brought up some new questions, Thanks, Malcolm On Sep 18, 2008, at 11:02 PM, Malcolm wrote: Hi Kathryn, Are you referring to the process as it (ionic silver solution) is made electrically, or in general? Ionic silver is soluble in water, fairly slightly, like 20 ppm or more or less, depending. It's not a compound that dissolves ionically like salt. But that brings up the other side of the thing; some substances dissolve in water non-ionically; would the addition of sugar or ether, or ??? result in precipitation of the ionic silver out of solution or perhaps as hydroxide, or some strange organic silver salt?? Does a form of silver exist as ionic other than as it is formed in water? Confusion reigns; Malcolm On Thu, 2008-09-18 at 12:28 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: A colloid is not soluble, it is a suspension. snippity snip The ionic silver is only in the water because there is nothing else in the water. If there was anything else in the water, it would combine with it. So, ionic silver is not really water soluble either, not in the way salt is water soluble. Ah the beauties of definitions. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMessy vs. Ionic silver?
Hi Kathryn, well, wouldn't it? Hey, I was asking you! g Apparently the ionic nature of water itself, adding H2O2, or some organic hydrocarbons do not cause the ionic silver to disappear. But I was wondering, since there has been discussion of various gels, silver proteins, silver nylon bandages, and so on on the list, if you were suggesting something along these lines could be formed: some other useful [ionic?] silver compound. - - - Silver by itself is pretty safe and non-toxic. Silver in compound form is not either, most of the time. It has become something entirely different, and has new properties specific to whichever compound has been made. - - - - Guess not. Take care, Malcolm On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 13:36 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: okey dokey then, On Sep 19, 2008, at 10:30 AM, Malcolm wrote: So my question was: having a solution of ionic silver already in hand - in jar - were you saying that any addition to the solution, whether an ionic or covalent compound, or an element, would cause the silver ions to regain neutral charge, precipitate out, be driven to hydroxide or whatever, and if that were the case, what would be their likely fate? well, wouldn't it? An ion by definition is just waiting for something to bond to, so wouldn't it do just that in the presence of anything at all? Well, anything in solution anyway. And whatever it is is not what we are after in any case. OTOH, were you saying that in order to Make CS you need pure water, in which case I misunderstood your drift when you said, The ionic silver is only in the water because there is nothing else in the water. ... No, if there is anything else in the water you won't end up with ionic silver, you will end up with who knows what. Here in this list they like to use EIS, or electrically isolated silver, so I will use that now for clarity; in order to make EIS one needs pure water, or one will end up with God only knows what witches brew of silver etc compounds that might work anyway, and might be okay in small quantities or might just turn one blue. More fun, I am thinking, Kathryn I hope this has helped some Kathryn At least it brought up some new questions, Thanks, Malcolm On Sep 18, 2008, at 11:02 PM, Malcolm wrote: Hi Kathryn, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSmushrooms
Hi All, Mushrooms are not so easily identifiable that you can go by a rule of thumb such as color, shape, locale, season, etc. And although there are not a lot of deadly species relatively, it is a pretty miserable way to die if you make the ultimate wrong guess. There are Mycology - mushroom - clubs almost everywhere there are mushrooms, and the members will be more than happy to help you I.D. anything you may find. Meetings and open houses are pretty interesting and usually have displays, books, guides, scheduled forays (the preferred term for a wild mushroom hunt for some strange reason is 'foray', but some folks claim mushroom hunters are a little strange themselves; quien sabe??) The kingdom of fungi is more closely related to us than bacteria or viruses, one of the reasons why there are fewer effective anti-fungal meds which we can tolerate; they're often about as hard on us as they are on the fungi. But on the other hand, some of the most promising anti-cancer agents are being discovered in fungi. Anyone interested in their essential role in preserving our planet's green mantle will get a lot from Paul Stamets' book; Mycoremediation. OK, now to tie it in to silver - a rather loose thread, but who's tugging? There's an old and FALSE folk-legend that you can tell if a mushroom is poisonous, or even neutralize the poison, by cooking it with a silver coin in the pot; the coin will blacken if the 'shroom is poison - NOT so - or remain shiny if it is ok - also NOT so. 'Course, here in the U.S. we have to send off for our silver coins now but that's another digression. . . . So, take advantage of those who have gone before you (and lived to tell it) and get advice from an experienced group or person. And take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms
Well, it's even worse than that. The amanita fruiting bodies are generally large handsome clean-looking specimens with white gills. the amanitatoxins, aka amatoxins, (three major kinds usually present together,) will often produce violent bloody diarrhea and vomiting within 6 to 24 hours, lasting a day or so,followed by a period of apparent recovery, which is then followed by a relapse and a 50% mortality. Unfortunately, people are often discharged from hospital during this false recovery, only to die at home a few days later. The primary effects are on the liver and kidneys and occur within that first 6 to 24 hour period whilst the toxins are fully absorbed. The moral to that is: if you think someone has eaten a poison mushroom, don't wait around to see if they'll be ok or not, get them to throw up, get to the emergency room ASAP to get as much out of the system as possible before it is absorbed and it's too late. Secondary effects involve everything else from the blood to the nerve cells including the brain, by inhibiting RNA synthesis in the cells. One to two ounces of the fresh fruiting body is, on average, enough to do you in. The poison content varies not only from variety to variety, but from fruiting body to fruiting body. One not-well-known therapy for amanita poisoning is Thioctic Acid, injected; no guarantees. The other deadly class of mycotoxins is the Gryomitrins, which are produced in rather small unappealing mushrooms unlikely to attract much interest. The difference between a completely inconsequential 'dose' of gyromitrin and a deadly one is extremely small. Gyromitrin hydrolyzes into MMH, monomethylhydrazine, rocket fuel, an extremely carcinogenic compound. Weird, huh? Not a good way to launch into outer space. Take care, Malcolm On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:26 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: Check out the History channel, Modern Marvels: fungus. I watched it a day or two ago, not sure if it will be running again. They have a pretty good segment on mushrooms on that. Interestingly if you eat a poisonous mushroom, and get sick a few hours later you will probably be ok. If you get sick 1 to 2 weeks later, you will most likely die. Marshall Smitty wrote: (Google) I get very few but beautiful looking mushrooms growing in our backyard. I do love raw, sliced mushroom on a salad that I buy fresh from a supermarket. So I ask.the mushrooms that grown in our backyard . are they safe to eat..? ~~ I remember many years ago reading a very sad story whereas almost an entire Asian-American family out in California died from eating mushrooms picked fresh from their backyard. ~~ Check mushroom pictures on Google and try and compare. But people can and do get SICK from eating those yard mushrooms. Beware. __ Eating mushrooms that have been collected outdoors can be a risky proposition. Many poisonous mushrooms look and taste like ones that are safe to eat, and there is no simple way to differentiate between the two. Heating or cooking does not necessarily destroy the toxic parts of the mushroom. Smitty Hey G! Your're right. Thanks, I now have a name for them. They are Ugly, Ugly Ugly. The neighbor had been trying to eliminate them for more then a year... nothing worked! Then I had the solution; Colodial Silver. But it did not work. Not sure if I should have just poured it on them instead of adding to the Revive. Hope someone on here has an answer. connie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: more unwelcome email: Hey Mike!
Hi, Have to agree with Linda's second point. TJ usually does post to the SO list, but even these are useless to me since I have a slow connection an don't want to be bothered with politically motivated rants or videos anyway. If TJ had some good taglines like Chuck, now that might be a different matter, but God Guns and Gold ... sucks big-time! On Wed, 2008-09-24 at 06:57 -0700, Linda Ellis wrote: Well, I was going to stay out of this and do what I've been doing to TJ's mail forever - deleting unread. I have several objections to these posts. FIRST, TJ is well aware that there is an off-topic list for topics unrelated to CS SECOND, as usual, TJ simply posts a link with absolutely no commentary or original thought. I long ago decided that I personally felt this was arrogant of him, to assume his judgment about the value of the linked material should be accepted unquestioningly, and others should therefore take the time to access the link before knowing if the subject is remotely interesting to them. I may miss some stuff I'd like to know about, but if TJ can't take the time to write a few lines about what he found valuable in the linked material, I don't have the time to follow him around. I'll just have to make do with my own research on subjects of interest. THIRD, I, too, have been uncomfortable with other people's email addresses showing up in the address lines of his posts. Is TJ likewise sending my email address out to people I don't know, and wouldn't want to have contact with? Is this, perhaps, one of the reasons I've been seeing more and more spam? To be honest, I've been thinking lately about removing myself from the off-topic list, anyway. It seems it has turned into nothing more than a constant barrage of people (particularly TJ) posting links, without any substantive interchange between list members on the topics raised. I much preferred earlier discussions about corporate welfare, reforming the social security system, global warming, etc., when people actually posted their own original thinking, or at least made the effort to explain why linked material might be interesting in view of the topic at hand. This topic coming up here prompts me to consider other possible groups where the discussion is more stimulating and interactive, though I would dearly miss Ode Coyote, Mike, and a few others Linda The Truly Educated Never Graduate - Original Message From: Wayne Fugitt cwf...@fugitt.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:37:32 AM Subject: Re: more unwelcome email: RE: CSAnother 9/11? Morning Bob, At 08:14 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: You are worrying too much. There are many, many ways to handle that. Do I have to tell you? And Your bogus messages are more offensive than his. You are wasting more bandwidth. Maybe he did not do it, maybe I did. Any half smart person can do such things. Once me and another guy, hijacked the List owners information, and sent messages to the list, which appeared to come from the list owner. Now, what else do you want to know. Don't Tread on me ! Wayne = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms
Hey, not always. Many of the boletes, mushrooms with tubes where others have gills, will bruise blue, purple, even red, and some of them can give you a whopper of a tummyache and NO fun atall!! Mushroomhead. On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 11:19 -0500, Dan Nave wrote: And if it turns purple when bruised, it's a magic mushroom... Dan -Original Message- From: Neville [mailto:nevillem...@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:56 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms Hi there, I don't know if mushrooms are similar where you are compared to here but my rule of thumb is:..if it's underside is pink, (when young), or brown-ish to brown, (gets darker as they mature)...it's a mushroom. If it feels or looks 'slimy' and is 'domed' in shape or any other 'colour' or mushroom shape then I assume it to be a toadstool or something unedible. This is what I go by without the botanical knowledge of the many and varied types which are out there. Don't know if this is any good to you? Neville. - Original Message - From: Smitty papad...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: Re: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms (Google) I get very few but beautiful looking mushrooms growing in our backyard. I do love raw, sliced mushroom on a salad that I buy fresh from a supermarket. So I ask.the mushrooms that grown in our backyard . are they safe to eat..? ~~ I remember many years ago reading a very sad story whereas almost an entire Asian-American family out in California died from eating mushrooms picked fresh from their backyard. ~~ Check mushroom pictures on Google and try and compare. But people can and do get SICK from eating those yard mushrooms. Beware. __ Eating mushrooms that have been collected outdoors can be a risky proposition. Many poisonous mushrooms look and taste like ones that are safe to eat, and there is no simple way to differentiate between the two. Heating or cooking does not necessarily destroy the toxic parts of the mushroom. Smitty Hey G! Your're right. Thanks, I now have a name for them. They are Ugly, Ugly Ugly. The neighbor had been trying to eliminate them for more then a year... nothing worked! Then I had the solution; Colodial Silver. But it did not work. Not sure if I should have just poured it on them instead of adding to the Revive. Hope someone on here has an answer. connie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms
Hey Dan, Very nice, Thanks! Malcolm On Fri, 2008-10-03 at 12:18 -0500, Dan Nave wrote: http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/alt/milkthistle_faq.htm Milk Thistle (Silybum marianum) What does Milk Thistle do? Herb- Milk Thistle Herb has been used medicinally by some people for functional disorders of the liver and gallbladder. . It has been considered especially helpful in cases jaundice, colitis, pleurisy, and diseases of the spleen. Fruit- Milk Thistle Fruit has been used by some for the treatment of dyspeptic symptoms, loss of appetite, liver and gall bladder complaints including inflammation of the gall bladder duct, toxic liver disease and hepatic cirrhosis. It has been used successfully as an antidote to Death-Cap mushroom poisoning (mushroom toxins a-amantin and phalloidin). It has been shown to protect the b.d. from liver damage caused by overdose from acetaminophen, butyrophenones, phenothiazines, halothane, Dilantin or ethanol. It may reduce outbreaks of Psoriasis due to liver disease. Milk Thistle herb and fruit can be taken in capsules, pills, infusions, or tinctures. http://www.diagnose-me.com/treat/T13224.html Most recently researchers found that the antioxidant activity of a milk thistle seed extract reduced the liver damage typically seen in patients who take prescription anti-psychotic drugs for extended periods and particularly in death cap mushroom poisoning. Silymarin has been shown to prevent and even reverse the toxic affect of mushroom (Amanita phalloides) poisoning, which can cause death within 24 hours. It is able to do this by specifically blocking the receptor for these toxins. -Original Message- From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS\ Collodial Silver Vs Mushrooms Well, it's even worse than that. The amanita fruiting bodies are generally large handsome clean-looking specimens with white gills. the amanitatoxins, aka amatoxins, (three major kinds usually present together,) will often produce violent bloody diarrhea and vomiting within 6 to 24 hours, lasting a day or so,followed by a period of apparent recovery, which is then followed by a relapse and a 50% mortality. Unfortunately, people are often discharged from hospital during this false recovery, only to die at home a few days later. The primary effects are on the liver and kidneys and occur within that first 6 to 24 hour period whilst the toxins are fully absorbed. The moral to that is: if you think someone has eaten a poison mushroom, don't wait around to see if they'll be ok or not, get them to throw up, get to the emergency room ASAP to get as much out of the system as possible before it is absorbed and it's too late. Secondary effects involve everything else from the blood to the nerve cells including the brain, by inhibiting RNA synthesis in the cells. One to two ounces of the fresh fruiting body is, on average, enough to do you in. The poison content varies not only from variety to variety, but from fruiting body to fruiting body. One not-well-known therapy for amanita poisoning is Thioctic Acid, injected; no guarantees. The other deadly class of mycotoxins is the Gryomitrins, which are produced in rather small unappealing mushrooms unlikely to attract much interest. The difference between a completely inconsequential 'dose' of gyromitrin and a deadly one is extremely small. Gyromitrin hydrolyzes into MMH, monomethylhydrazine, rocket fuel, an extremely carcinogenic compound. Weird, huh? Not a good way to launch into outer space. Take care, Malcolm On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 11:26 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: Check out the History channel, Modern Marvels: fungus. I watched it a day or two ago, not sure if it will be running again. They have a pretty good segment on mushrooms on that. Interestingly if you eat a poisonous mushroom, and get sick a few hours later you will probably be ok. If you get sick 1 to 2 weeks later, you will most likely die. Marshall Smitty wrote: (Google) I get very few but beautiful looking mushrooms growing in our backyard. I do love raw, sliced mushroom on a salad that I buy fresh from a supermarket. So I ask.the mushrooms that grown in our backyard . are they safe to eat..? ~~ I remember many years ago reading a very sad story whereas almost an entire Asian-American family out in California died from eating mushrooms picked fresh from their backyard. ~~ Check mushroom pictures on Google and try and compare. But people can and do get SICK from eating those yard mushrooms. Beware. __ Eating mushrooms that have been collected outdoors can be a risky proposition. Many poisonous
Re: CSstaph in dogs
Hi Kathryn You might try Vitamin D, skin problems in dogs are sometimes related to D deficiencies. Dunno if you should nip the capsule and dribble it on, or feed it to her direct. My limited experience has been that it helps internally but it could be like vit. E and useful externally as well; prob'ly can't do any harm. Pirate Indeed!G Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2008-10-16 at 11:05 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: Hadn't thought of that. I did give her a soda bath yesterday, had to. I had been out of town, and she would not let anyone else clean her belly, so the fur around it was caked, it took 3 soakings to get it off. She also seems more lucid since I bathed her- the stuff coming out of her is toxic in some degree, I would guess. She was a one eyed doggie this morning- her eye was sealed shut with gunk, but I soaked it off and she is two eyed once again. Pirate pup, she is, and very patient. Guess I better get started making massive amounts of cs- Thanks, Ode. kathryn On Oct 16, 2008, at 7:52 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: Direct application works best. Soak a pup. ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...
Well and good! Mike Monet was an interesting and knowledgeable electrical engineer, with an enquiring mind and good math skills, was sometimes upset when people didn't see it his way (the ONLY way). You are pushing for the opposite, in that you recognize humans, and the conditions in/by which they try to find things out, vary widely. OTOH, The double-blind cross-controlled experimental study as mandated by the FDA and loved by big pharma is just Marvy, except it assumes we're all just the same, or should be if we know what's good for us. At the sledgehammer level, sure. Most of their meds are in the 5 to 500 mg level. Compared to CS at 10 to 20 ppm that is a sledgehammer for sure. Another flaw in their protocols is that they assume testing a thousand people for one year equals testing 100 people for ten years; taint so M'Gee. One of the virtues of the so-called anecdotal method, besides it makes for good stories, is that the evidence - oh, sorry, experience - is collected over much time and many different situations; it's 'small time' and we can hassle it out ourselves. We don't have the deus ex authoritas of political or scientific regulation stifling our chance to find out for ourselves what works and how it best works for us. Each. Take care, avoid arcing! Malcolm On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 19:36 -0400, indi wrote: Thanks. I imagine it'd be hard to ingest much of that without knowing something wasn't quite right. Anyway, I am careful to avoid arcing. BTW, I am a woman named Indulekha Sharpe, not some guy named Mike Monet. Cheers, indi Chuck Pound for pound, the amoeba is the most vicious animal on earth RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Standards of proof...
Hi Indi, I think we're pretty much on the same page; I'd argue that we are indeed conducting that retrospective study, problem is some of us get a bit single-blind in the process. Preaching to the choir. . . . .?? Further, Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. There b'God is an axiom that's stood the test of time. However that is not the same as claiming that every person - or even most within the FDA, or FTC, or other feckless federal alphabetical monster - is corrupt. Hardly moot; ever heard of the Codex Alimentarius?? It's probably easier to declare silver a strategic material than a rose hip or orange juice g Also the case is both corruption AND ignorance; I think someone on this list once posted this quote from a scientific investigator-innovator: First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they attack you. Then they say they already knew it all along. ... raid our homes ... Wouldn't be the first time. Take care, Malcolm On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 10:28 -0400, indi wrote: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 21:49:17 -0700 Malcolm s...@asis.com wrote: Well and good! We don't have the deus ex authoritas of political or scientific regulation stifling our chance to find out for ourselves what works and how it best works for us. Each. Yet. Oh, there's plenty wrong with the FDA's requirements, no doubt about it. But the cause is corruption, not ignorance. The double blind cross-controlled study method is definitely a very good way to acquire data, if it is done honestly and without employing ridiculous loopholes (as you pointed out, 100 people x 10 years does not equal 1000 people x 1 year). At this point, it would be great if there were a study following users of CS, since there are so many of us. It wouldn't be terribly hard to do, just define some basic control parameters, find appropriate subjects and medically monitor them. But I suppose Big Pharma is afraid of those results. :) As for fear of regulation, that is really a moot point. What are they going to do, raid our homes and confiscate our generators? Make silver a controlled substance? That'd be awfully hard to do... indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing
Hey, ya gotta keep up with this stuff! Progress, doncha know!? There are now many more FDA approved meds for psychological problems, particularly for the young, whose complaints are ignorable and whose independence is compromised at best. History; Prozac Nation. Ritalin; speed for subteens. On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 15:44 -0400, indi wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:14:48 -0500 Clayton Family clay...@skypoint.com wrote: I guess they will tell us to click our heels together three times and chant There's no place like home . They already tell people their illnesses are all psychological with no basis in physical problem, I have never heard *that* from the FDA or the WHO. In fact, wouldn't that idea be anathema to Big Pharma? I think I see the opposite: medications for depression, jimmy legs, dry eyes, E.D., etc, etc, etc... Their idea appears to be that no-one can get control of their quality of life without pharmaceuticals, and that there's a pharmaceutical answer for everything. If it was all just psychological, then why push the meds? indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing
Remember Yossarian!g On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 17:39 -0400, Faith Gagne wrote: I do not agree with this at all. Smacks of paranoia to me. Faith G. - Original Message - From: Marlene Hanson mlehan...@msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 2:55 PM Subject: Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing I agree with Kathryn, It might become illegal to be well without any supervision of the government regulated Pharma Companies, or their physicians. Seriously I appreciate the freedom we still have to share our experiences via the internet. I hope this freedom will not become a regulated system. M - Original Mess age - From: Clayton Familymailto:clay...@skypoint.com Seriously, it may make a vast difference if one cares about the well-being of people in general. Like my Mother, for whom the doctor said so is right up there with it's in the bible. Or my best friend, dead now because the doctors were the authority, and I with my silver was crazy and probably experiencing a placebo effect. Yes, I'd like to see a community of caring people who are not anti-intellectuals attempt to nail down enough credible, scientifically-oriented evidence to make a compelling case that could then be taken seriously enough to prompt some federal grant for further investigation which might yield some compelling scientific facts. There has been quite a bit of research by various universities. A compelling case that could be taken seriously by whom? is the question. There are those who have a vested interest in promoting their own products to the exclusion of all others, and they are well funded and have quite a bit of political power. There has been a case made for ongoing corruption in various federal agencies, several of which would not withstand much scientific scrutiny. It all seems to do with money, and who is going to be making a bundle off of what product, and through supression of competitor's products. This world is not much fun for us pollyanna types. Best Wishes, Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.orghttp://silverlist.org/ To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.commailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.commailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.commailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal Copper
Hi, When I worked as a machinist's apprentice everyone in the shop knew that getting cut by a copper chip would make a wound that was harder to heal than similar wounds from other metals like stainless or iron, though stainless was also suspect. I also got to find this out for myself. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 05:46 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: You can make C Copper with any DC CS generator with an output over something like 30 volts. Regular Romex house wiring is by industry standards pure enough to use as electrodes. It doesn't gain conductivity over around 3 uS, so, in distilled water, the process is very slow and meters are completely useless. it will make a TE and a suspended black webby substance if not stirred that later vanishes. [ unstable Copper Hydroxide? ] Alternatively, copper hydroxide is readily made by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_waterelectrolysis of water Moist samples of copper(II) hydroxide slowly turn black due to the formation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper%28II%29_oxidecopper(II) oxide. Has a shelf life of about 3 weeks before it goes to green grey copper oxides and the copper settles out. Copper is a very common element that's difficult to avoid. The *normal* body regulates it quite well and it shares elimination mechanisms with silver which include Selenium. If the levels get too high, it can be considered a neurotoxin. For some unknown [by me] reason, if you leave a small piece of shiny copper in a batch of CS, it will draw every bit of silver out of the water and drop in on the bottom of the container as a combination of fuzzy black stuff and metallic silver within a few days..colloidal content first, then the ionic content. It doesn't appear to take part in chemical reactions when it does that, nor does it appear to be a true plating process. Probably something about a difference in electro-potential. Copper might play a role in what silver does in vivo. Copper kills germs like silver does, but is more chemically active and, unlike silver, plays a role as a micro nutrient. Ode At 06:14 PM 10/21/2008 -0500, you wrote: Has anyone have experience with colloidal copper? It has interested me but I have read that it is easy to take too much and is toxic if you do. And that the important issue is copper/zinc balance: http://www.drkaslow.com/html/zinc-copper_imbalances.html However copper is valuable as an anti-inflammatory and anti-viral. The following article recommends using copper salicylate or copper ascorbate instead of colloidal copper. http://www.health-science-spirit.com/copper.html They are both easy to make and are supposedly much less toxic than colloidal copper. The article also recommends using zinc in the form of the Schweitzer Formula. Also relatively easy to make. Has anyone used any of these compounds? Thanks, Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM
Re: CSCruelty, No Definition
How 'bout .303? g On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 07:08 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: Off topic for sure I used to train fish into a corral made of stones by washing my dishes and pots with sand. All I had to do to get a fish is scrape a pot with a fork and take my pick with a frog gig. I caught a big Catfish bare handed by the tail once. It drug me around till it wore ME out. It won that one. Used fish traps extensively, back in the day..usually got three fish in one descending in size to a blue gill panfish. One day I was hungry enough to trade a 30 cent .306 Enfield round for a big ole trout and consider it a good deal. [ That was a whole days pay ] My Grand Dad used to dynamite the lake for Fridays fish fry with half a stick on a 2x4. It didn't kill most of them and the non keepers would wake up in a few minutes. Game warden? Sometimes you wonder what they taste like. [Never saw one way back there, or anyone else, sometimes for several months] Most people are very noisy. I still swear that woodchucks are made by Michelin...tenderness gauged by tread wear rating scales. Ode Anyone know other ways to get food ? Grow it, Steal it, Hijack it, even buy it. With the economy like it is, I suspect that soon some will be killing for food. I know I may be wrong about some things, but not all. Wayne === -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM
Re: CSFLU
This is what has worked for me and numerous others I've gotten to try it; snork it up 2 or 3 times per side, then do it again a couple more times, an hour or a little less apart. This is for respiratory flu of course, and/or colds. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 20:21 +0100, Dee wrote: Have you tried spraying CS up the nose, or nebulizing with it? I found that spraying up the nose works really well with 'flu. dee Faith Gagne wrote: I came down with the Flu yesterday. I took an ounce of CS an hour for about 9 hours, til I went to bed, but I got up sicker than ever this morning. I've taken about 4 ounces CS in as many hours this morning but I am not feeling much better. Any suggestions? Does anyone take a probiotic (acidophilus) in addition to CS? Faith G. -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating
Hi Faith, for that you can take a form - niacinamide, often labeled as non-flush niacin. Works for me and regular niacin gives me intense skin prickles. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 21:00 -0400, Faith Gagne wrote: One has to be careful of the 'flush'. Not everyone can take niacin. Faith g. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal Copper
Hi Ode, As well as I can recall, there was pretty hefty inflammation, but can't specify about pus, just don't remember. I like Becker's work on Ag ion healing of diabetic wounds, suspect penetration of the ions helps prevent surface skin-over if the wound is kept covered. Maybe there's some reaction between RBC and Cu, the horseshoe crab has green blood cuz it's hemoglobin is more like chloroglobin; could it be . . . . ?? Take care, Malcolm On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 06:19 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: That might have something to do with imbedded particles that won't rust away and need to be ejected. If the copper is killing germs, it won't fester as well, thus inhibiting ejection. This is a slight danger when using CS on wounds as it can help seal a deep infection in under the treated fast healing surface and/or inhibit contaminant ejection. Ode At 09:51 AM 10/23/2008 -0700, you wrote: Hi, When I worked as a machinist's apprentice everyone in the shop knew that getting cut by a copper chip would make a wound that was harder to heal than similar wounds from other metals like stainless or iron, though stainless was also suspect. I also got to find this out for myself. Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCruelty, No Definition
Yup, had one. On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 06:21 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: At 09:55 AM 10/23/2008 -0700, you wrote: How 'bout .303? g Prolly right, that was many many years ago and my Uncles rifle. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMeasuring or Guessing- or calculating
Hi Faith, thanks for that, but Durn! is nothing truly safe? grin, as Mike says I do think people vary a great deal in their reactions to this -n- that, which is why medicine and big pharma love the sledgehammer approach VE haff vays to Make you happy ummm, . . . take care, M. On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 10:15 -0400, Faith Gagne wrote: Hi Malcolm. I am leery of niacin for reasons other than just flushing. I would check with my doctor before taking it. One needs a knowledgable well-rounded doctor. FYI: Adverse Niacin Side Effects Some of the niacin side affects reported most especially for non-flush products and high doses (higher than the threshold amount) of the vitamin include gastrointestinal symptoms such as vomiting, nausea, flatulence, bloating and diarrhea as well as sudden decrease in blood pressure. Other (Rare) Side Effects of Niacin There are isolated cases where other niacin side effects occur. These rare side effects range from simple dryness and scaliness of the skin, excessive pigmentation, to liver disorder, blurred vision, activation of the peptic ulcer, and jaundice. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOff topic but . . .
Bingo! Notice how Toyota dropped their cold fusion research suddenly and QUIETLY? Didn't know there was successful research on eliminating radioactivity, could you point to some ref.s? TNX, Malcolm On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 11:21 -0400, Marshall Dudley wrote: Methods to get rid of radioactive substances have been know for about 2 decades, but have been suppressed since it would eliminate the very profitable nuclear disposal industry. Also, if admitted, it would prove that cold fusion is real, and the oil industry does not want that either. Hopefully this will change in the next few years. Marshall Jonathan B. Britten wrote: Apologies for going off topic, but this is so extraordinary that it deserves widespread dissemination: http://tinyurl.com/5od68l If the claim is true, there may be an effective solution to the problem of nuclear waste. Hope it's for real . . . while also hoping for major funding of solar, wind, water, and geothermal options. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSinusistis Fungal Infection Help Request
Hi Kathryn, I've used CS in a nose spritzer, i.e. a misting spray, breathing in as I spritzed two or three times each side and down the throat as well, though that's difficult and makes me cough. I'll do this every 40 minutes or hour for three or four repeats at the first sign of a cold or respiratory flu. It does have some well, sting, but it knocks colds flat. Testimonial: Friend who has two kids, both had colds and gorky noses-faces. We had to sit on them, literally hold them down on the floor and spritz them Greatly against their will, but it worked. Believe me; it was Not the placebo effect! I don't know about chronic fungal insult, but expect that the ultrasonic humidifier if it were just cut loose in a room would knock down a lot of the mold spores. I'd also consider using an electrostatic air cleaner; just got back from visiting another friend in Portland who has one in her house air conditioning-heating system and the difference in air quality is very noticeable. Since most of these generate negative ions (which tend to attach to particles in the air) just as a fringe benefit, I'd think the synergistic effect of the two devices working together would be significant. But YMMV. The fog from the ultrasonic humidifier is extremely fine, much smaller droplets than the spinning types, and the heater types simply boil the water away and leave the CS in the bottom as oxide. I've tried breathing the mist from the ultrasonic humidifier by putting a towel over it and my head, small additional advantage of misting the eyes as well as the face generally - maybe that's worthwhile, but the nose spritzer does it for me and others who've tried it, whereas ingestion doesn't. BTW, all the ultrasonic humidifiers I've looked at have essentially the same circuitry and transducers - not counting the small face-mask personal ones. Just take a peek down the cone the vapor-fog comes up through and you can see the shiny little disc down at the bottom. Skip the internal water filter block some of them sell, just leave it out. Take care, Malcolm On Sun, 2008-10-26 at 21:40 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: Ah, yes. That pesky sinus infection. I have it too, -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSpositive silver ions and negatively charged bacteria
just to add a bit of clarity here, the stain which defines Gram positive and negative were developed by a man named Gram, and the 'positive' and 'negative' do NOT refer to the electropotential of the bacteria, but to the method's discoverer, Hans Christian Gram. On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 11:40 -0500, Norton, Steve wrote: Relative to bacteria, from Wikipedia: There are two main types of bacterial cell walls, Gram positive and Gram negative, which are differentiated by their Gram staining characteristics. Gram positive: Teichoic acids give the Gram positive cell wall an overall negative charge due to the presence of phosphodiester bonds between teichoic acid monomers. Gram negative: In addition to the peptidoglycan layer, the Gram negative cell wall also contains an additional outer membrane composed by phospholipids and lipopolysaccharides which face into the external environment. As the lipopolysaccharides are highly-charged, the Gram negative cell wall has an overall negative charge. From what I have read, viruses have a slight negative charge at neutral PH. - Steve N __ From: Bethany Methven [mailto:mrs_ak_h...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:38 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSpositive silver ions and negatively charged bacteria Hi, I'm new to this list. Here in Alaska, very few people actually know about CS. I am trying to learn as much as I can so that I can educate those around me. I have been studying about the positive charge from silver ions losing an electron during the electro colloidal process. Anyway, my question is - Does anyone know if all bacteria, fungus, viruses, etc are negatively charged? Some web site was talking about how the positive charge from the silver ions attracts to the negative charge of the bacteria, and then basically short circuits it's biological clock, making it unable to reproduce. If this is true, then how effective are silver particles, if they are negatively charged, vs. the positive charge of the ions? I have heard so much confusion regarding ions vs. particles. Id like to hear some other opinions. Thanks - Beth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CStest
SPLAT! On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 10:54 -1000, Smitty wrote: Its pouring with rain here, so good luck to them! dee Rain don't bother golf addicts ! Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[FW]Recent Research on Weaponized Biologicals
Hi Rowena; Well, I didn't see it 'til repost, so perhaps it slid down under to you before it was blown around the side to us (or me, anyhow) g Biological warfare-terrorism is probably more likely in the future than nuclear; sneakier, cheaper and leaves more of your target's resources intact for plunder. Also bugs can be intensely debilitating to their victims, tieing up resources to keep them alive, as it spreads. And, as Slick Willie noted: It's the gift that keeps on giving. Two books on our progress in the craft: Lab 257 and Plum Island And, as always; Thanks to you Brooks! for your suggestions for relief from the effects of these disgusting weapons. On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 12:42 +0900, Rowena wrote: Yes Brooks, Your original post did come through. Food for thought indeed. Good wishes Rowena - Original Message - From: brooks76009 To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: CS[FW]Recent Research on Weaponized Biologicals This is a re-post, would someone let me know if my original post of this morning was ever received on-list. I have no evidence that it went through. I seldom post, these days, and when I do I believe it to be of some substance. Since my available time for such is quite limited, it is somewhat discouraging.if, indeed, this post did not come through. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley Devour -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMovidyn-Colloidal Silver
I thought the fleas on the carrier rats were the vectors, yes? no? Rats lead a tough life, no doubt. . . g On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 09:39 -1000, Smitty wrote: What an odd idea. Perhaps all those bubonic plague infected rats will just infect and kill each other. It seems the rats were immune to the plaque and other diseases. Smitty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagic Date in History, ( Historical Event )
Happy Wayne day!! Lots more. Take care, Malcolm On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 23:57 -0600, Wayne Fugitt wrote: Few will know the significance of the date, November 14th, 1938. Only 70 years ago, that is all. Just a growing boy, huh? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTOOTH EMERGENCY
Hi, another old-time temporary fix, for the tooth part, is oil of clove which pharmacies used to carry but also likely nowadays found in health organic supplement type stores. Soak a tooth pick in the oil of clove and dab it onto the tooth - the stuff stings like crazy so minimize lip contact. HTH, Malcolm On Fri, 2008-12-19 at 21:09 +, gwms...@optonline.net wrote: Happy Holiday to All. I'm in the middle of Christmas plans and I have a crashing tooth ache and sore throat. I have been gargling and drinking CS. I have DMSO but not quite sure if I should use it along with CS on my tooth H-E-L-P. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSNon-healing and Slow-healing skin surface ulcers
Hi Ode, My aunt had a bad car accident when she was young, perhaps in her early 20's, making it probably at a time shortly post WWI. She developed serious infection in her armpit, and the hospital placed a screen cage full of maggots over the wound area. She told me that at first the sensation and tiny noises were hard to bear, but she got used to it, and the treatment was successful, saving her arm and its full function; and quite possibly saving her life. This treatment was also successfully used in cases of gangrene, she told me. Doctors learn some strange things on the battlefield. Take care, Malcolm On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 05:46 -0500, Ode Coyote wrote: As gross as it may seem, maggots debride a wound better than any surgeon. Due to surface evaporation and mega water absorption working together, I believe CS Gel works as a sterilizing pulling poultice Ode At 12:16 PM 12/28/2008 -0500, you wrote: My husband has such a wound on his toe, about the size of a nickel. He is diabetic and only 45 y/o. We have tried Indie’s recommendation with small improvement. I think the nasal spray is helping, although we had to dilute the DMSO a lot. The infection seems to be gone at this point, but the circulation to the toe is poor. We will try this out, and we even have an oxygen machine in the house! My only reservation is applying DMSO directly to the wound because there is still some necrotic tissue there. He is getting it debrided every week or two. The topical dressing that seems to work best is glycerine and iodine. Thank you Brooks, for this information. The doctors want to do bypass surgery on my husband’s leg, and we would prefer not to go that route. Kathy From: brooks76009 [mailto:brooks76...@lycos.com] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 11:49 AM To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSNon-healing and Slow-healing skin surface ulcers I noticed a passing inquiry/observation regarding non-healing skin-surface ulcers. A majority of of non-healing skin-surface ulcers have their origin based upon circulation compromises.presenting especially in diabetics and advanced cardiovascular insults. During the mid and late 1990s we conducted some very promising evaluations of these conditions and implementedwhat proved to besome effective protocol addresses. Most challenging were the non-healing ulcers affecting Type II diabetics.and particularly those presenting on the lower leg extremities and feet. By far, the most effective protocol proved to be one involving Colloidal Silver, DMSO and oxygen. Summarizing the protocol: The self-help version of this experimental protocol consisted, essentially, of a system for applying 100% oxygen as a surrounding atmosphere of the general environmentafter the generous application of a DMSO X Colloidal Silver mixture. The actual procedure is as follows: (The following procedure was designed for insults presenting in all areas below the knee joint) 1. Performed a preliminary application of undiluted, commercial, 3.5% hydrogen peroxide; allowing approximately 3 minutes or until all foaming action has ceasedfollowed by blotting with clean cotton swab/ball. 2. Generous application of 20 ppm CS (75% by Volume) mixed with full-strength DMSO (10% by Volume)covering the entire insult area to the point of surface runoff. Note: Be sure the entire treatment field is completely clear of clothing and other obstructions. 3. Next, carefully slip a small transparent garbage bag over the lower leg (below the knee), avoiding physical contact with the injured area and carefully gather the top of the bag just below the knee joint. 4. Next, using any convenient source of pure oxygen, with the end of the hose section terminating in a small plastic tubing.insert the tubing well inside the garbage bag and secure the top of the bag with a rubber band. 4. Slowly inflate the bag with O2, until the bag is well filled (it will easily inflate at low pressure). Note: The actual pressure is not critical, just keep enough pressure applied to prevent the collapse of the garbage bag. 5. Maintain this arrangement for 15 to 20 minutes. Actually, we found that the 02 leakage rates to be quite slow, ! usually allowing us to cut off the pressure valve for extended periods (more than 5 minutes), before the inflated bag became sufficiently deflated to require additional pressure. This simple protocol was most impressive in the positive results yielded against some of the most intractable slow or non-healing ulcers.some of quite long-standing nature (over 6 months). In most cases, twice-daily procedures resulted in size-increase stoppages within 5 days and generation of new wound-edge granulation of tissue beginning within 7 to 10 days. This, many times, in cases where the ulcers had increased from match-head size
Re: CSMagnetic Stirrer RPM
Hi Steve, I've had good luck with ~30 to 40 rpm in a pint wide-mouth jar. The length of the stir-bar can make a difference too; I go for ~ three fourths of an inch, maybe up to 1-1/2. I get magnets from: http://wondermagnet.com/ [a great site with all kinds of neat homebrew stuff info] and use the skinny 1/16 X 1/2 NdBFe pushed inside polyethylene tube, and seal the ends. YMMV of course. Take care, Malcolm On Thu, 2009-01-29 at 16:04 -0600, Norton, Steve wrote: What is a good RPM rate or range for a CS magnetic stirrer? - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSflu
Hi, No ideas, but my response was the same; I've used CS for colds and flu for quite literally years, through raising kids to re-entering college and it always worked. This time, it didn't. Took me down over Christmas holidays, Yuck! Take care, Malcolm On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 10:19 -0600, Clayton Family wrote: Ok, I got the flu. I had been increasing my silver intake by jumps, but it still didn't seem to do anything to this flu. Funny, it has worked on everything else. It has been 6 days now, and I am still aching. Any ideas?-kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSflu - malcolm
Hi Kathryn, It was about two weeks, and tailed off, rather than finally I woke up one morning and realized it was over. It was about as bad as I've ever felt the flu; for the first three days I wondered if this was going to put me in the hospital. I still have phlegm from it, or perhaps another milder bug snuck in under cover and is still in there. There have been heavy chemtrails around here and in my worse moments I wondered if they were poisoning me. A few acquaintances got it too, and also were impressed with how vicious it was. Soo, Am I back to normal? Well, not quite but hardly still in its grip. Take care, Malcolm On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 19:40 -0600, Clayton Family wrote: thanks, then. How long before you were back to normal? On Feb 6, 2009, at 6:12 PM, Malcolm wrote: Hi, No ideas, but my response was the same; I've used CS for colds and flu for quite literally years, through raising kids to re-entering college and it always worked. This time, it didn't. Took me down over Christmas holidays, Yuck! Take care, Malcolm On Fri, 2009-02-06 at 10:19 -0600, Clayton Family wrote: Ok, I got the flu. I had been increasing my silver intake by jumps, but it still didn't seem to do anything to this flu. Funny, it has worked on everything else. It has been 6 days now, and I am still aching. Any ideas?-kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO, Human or Horse Grade ?
answer: All the little Lawyer-simulacra buried in the stuff. Mon, 2009-04-06 at 06:58 -0700, Pat Lawrie wrote: I just bought some MSM at a tack store intended for MY use. It says on the label there are no fillers. Then when I got home and read further it says, quote: WARNING: For animal use only. Keep out of reach of other animals and children. In case of accidental overdose, contact a health professional immediately. This product should not be given to animals intended for human consumption. So with THAT warning I never took it. What the heck else could be in it so harmful? Pat --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSDMSO, Human or Horse Grade ? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 8:49 AM DMSO is The Same as MSM only missing an atom, making it a liquid, If you took DMSO and spread it on a plate and left it in the sun for a few days it would turn to white powder, Presto (MSM) Thats how they discovered it. Its a by-product of wood pulp The western lumber areas are a huge source for MSM-DMSO. Re: Food Grade DMSO? Try to get Lingual (mfg.) most of the rest is from China now-days. I told you to buy it in a Tack Store, to save you money. You can it the same quality stuff in an on line store, with a fancy name for much more money. If your looking for nice labels, and fancy bottles, you go guy. If you want to Save money, go to a pet store that sells Horse feed. Tel Tofflemire http://www.quailwoodherbal.com Dewey, AZ. --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com wrote: From: Wayne Fugitt cwa...@netdoor.com Subject: CSDMSO, Human or Horse ? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 7:04 AM Where do you purchase human DMSO? ( This must reference, Food Grade ) If it is good enough, For a Million Dollar Horse, It is good enough for a Half Million dollar Human ! Many people take better care of their horses, Nutrition, scientific feeding, and everything else, Than they do for their own body. Wayne = -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO, Human or Horse Grade ?
Good Points! ** On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 11:20 -0400, Indi Sharpe wrote: They have to label it unfit for human consumption, due to the Big Pharma puppets at the FDA. Personally, I feel secure that no producer of DMSO wants to get sued over a bad product -- horse owners tend to be affluent and educated, so not a good class of people to toy with. Besides DMSO is very cheap to make. It's just a byproduct of paper production. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSspeaking of pandemics...
Hi Kathryn, Yes, this has worried me also; I'm used to recuperating from the damage that whatever 'bug' has already done, even though it may be overcome by the CS. This was different qualitatively; the illness continued its progress in that case as if I'd never taken any. Malcolm Mon, 2009-04-13 at 12:34 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: Anyone have any idea what that bug was last winter- the one that for once did not respond to the cs? It was the first one ever for me. If the cs ramps up the immune system, and the bug was worse for strong immune systems, then other remedies might be in order. I like to have no worries, and a good enough arsenal of remedies. Kathryn On Apr 13, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote: Don't worry about it, worrying justs gives them more energy for their dark plans. Keep plenty of CS around, and be happy. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSspeaking of pandemics, bugs and logic. . .
Hey Ken, Guess what? I'm 75 and I've been making and taking my own 20+ ppm CS for better than 16 years - (bought the com 100 from you a few yrs ago.) During that time I raised a kid and entered the school 'germ pool' along with her, and later went back to school myself for 7 years at the local university, and joined that 'germ pool' too. As a disabled vet I have further been exposed to the resistant bugs at the VA hospital as an inpatient on a few occasions. In every instance when I contracted any sort of systemic or body trauma infection (excluding liver, gallbladder, pancreas, which I've not had trouble with -knock on wood) I have employed my own homemade CS; I even snuck my generator into the VA Hosp. to do so. CS has not been 100% effective, but it has done well for me - either partial or complete remission, or non-occurrence when I used it prophylactically. This includes one situation at the VA when I had Gentamycin going in one arm and Vancomycin going in the other wrist continuous 24 hour drip for 5 days for a resistant hospital bug. If this happens to me again will I skip the CS just to confirm the experiment for you? Why should I, (personal considerations aside?) You'd just claim it was an individual event each time so it didn't prove a thing; logically airtight. In short, I'm pretty familiar with my own bodily reactions to ABX, anti-virals, and anti-fungals as well as CS. It's been 44 years now since my injury, I should be. For you to claim that I don't know what is going on in my own body because Logically I can't determine the non-occurrence of a non-event is like ignoring the forest for the trees; I've been through it too many times; . . . Particularly for You, who are Not me, to tell Me what I can or cannot experience or discern. The rules of Logic can take one only so far; they can help, but they're not the whole game. Ditto, in Spades, the rules of statistics. For instance take your statement that everyone is different; well who you talking to? Everyone is the same, also. Ain't that something, now? g Take care, Malcolm On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 08:39 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote: At 10:50 AM 4/13/2009 -0700, you wrote: Hi Kathryn, Yes, this has worried me also; I'm used to recuperating from the damage that whatever 'bug' has already done, even though it may be overcome by the CS. This was different qualitatively; the illness continued its progress in that case as if I'd never taken any. Malcolm ## if you did take CS, how do you know what it would be like had you not? You can't know. You can compare to others that didn't, but every one is different. All you know is that CS didn't do what you expected it to, but that doesn't mean it did nothing. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCorrection: Best place to buy DMSO
He used the word true rather than pure. The DMSO from my local horse and cow store used to say 99.85% pure DMSO on it, but they changed the label to read 99%; same Company, and also added a disclaimer about human use. On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 21:33 -0400, Indi wrote: What, so 99% pure isn't sufficient? :) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCorrection: Best place to buy DMSO
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 22:45 -0400, Indi wrote: On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 07:30:51PM -0700, Malcolm wrote: He used the word true rather than pure. The DMSO from my local horse and cow store used to say 99.85% pure DMSO on it, but they changed the label to read 99%; same Company, and also added a disclaimer about human use. Oh thanks, I didn't realize that. What do you suppose it means though? Lawyers, Torts and Money? My impression is that it's all the same stuff really. After all, DMSO is a waste byproduct of wood pulping, as in manufacturing paper. And at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyl_sulfoxide it appears to suggest there are pretty much only three actual sources? There were some claims that the U.S. manufacturer (Lignisul??) was 'better' than the Chinese one. Now we're up to three? Perhaps a 'producer' is not the same as a 'manufacturer'? Take care, Malcolm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Fw: CSturkey turning...OT
Hey, it's worse than that; we're surrounded by opinionated carnivores,
too! And omnivores! And for all I know, carrion consumers, like
soft-ripened cheeses, or hung duck! The one thing they all have in
common though, {along with me,} we're opinionated about our groceries!
And like it or not many of us are quite content to knowingly eat
corpses. Even mashed-up dead unborn baby birds. Others find such
behavior offensive, while others yet don't mind, so long as they're not
reminded of it - which they do mind; Oh Tempura, oh mores! g
Road kill, anyone? (Yes I did; I was real hungry, and I cooked it
first.)
On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 08:34 -0700, MaryAnn Helland wrote:
Run for your lives!! We're surrounded by list-cops and
vegetarians!! LOL
MA
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From: mborg...@att.net mborg...@att.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:22:58 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: CSturkey turning...OT
thought this was the silver list not the ot list
enough with the turkeys!
-- Original message from MaryAnn Helland
marmar...@bellsouth.net: --
Who made you list-cop, Judy? Did you notice the *OT* in the
subject line? If you're not interested, use your delete
button. Jeez...
MA
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From: Judy mamaca...@comcast.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 7:33:04 AM
Subject: Re: CSturkey turning...OT
what does all this nonsense about cooking turkeys have to do
with using colloidal silver? Please let's keep on track.
- Original Message -
From: MaryAnn Helland
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: CSturkey turning...OT
Hey Ruth! Thanks for the info. Glad to hear you'll
be getting your unit! MA
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From: Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:22:28 PM
Subject: Re: CSturkey turning...OT
Hey MaryAnn,
It doesn't matter what size turkey (or ham) - I've
done pretty much the whole range of sizes. I usually
put it on 200, but I have an aunt that says to put
your oven on the lowest temperature it has. Part of
the coolness in cooking your turkey/ham this way is
that it frees up your oven first thing in the morning,
so you have as much time as you need for sides, etc.
Happy cookin!!
Ruth (p/s to MA - V is putting a unit together for me
- Thanks!)
- Original Message -
From: MaryAnn Helland
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: CSturkey turning...OT
How large a turkey, Debi? We always cook ours
during the day on Thanksgiving, and end up not
eating until six o'clock at night. MA
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From: Debi dlov...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:36:55 AM
Subject: CSturkey turning...OT
I know that Jennie-O turkeys come with this
attached. I always wondered why would you need
to turn a turkey?. I cook mine slow, all night
usually at 200 degrees, wake up in the morning
to a perfectly cooked, melting off the bone,
yummy turkey. I surround the turkey with
dressing and cover with foil loosely. works
every time. No turning necessary. I cook it
for 15 minutes at 400 degrees to brown it up
pretty, then turn it down to 200 degrees and
go to bed.
Re: Fw: CSturkey turning...OT
Smile when you say that podner!! On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 15:22 +, mborg...@att.net wrote: thought this was the silver list not the ot list enough with the turkeys! -- Original message from MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net: -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMurder...OT
SoyLent green?? On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 17:26 +0100, Kirsteen Wright wrote: On 4/24/09, Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder what the flesh of human babies taste like... They smell so tempting! There's a marvellous SF book by Donald Kingsbury 'Geta'. I believe it was called 'Courtship Rites' in America about an energy poor planet. Man has colonised it in the distant past it is not really suitable for sustaining human life. It's indigenous plants and animals cannot be eaten so are 'profane' and the only flesh available is human, so cannibalism has become a sacred ritual. It talks about eating unwanted babies but doesn't mention what the flesh tastes like. It really is a fascinating book about the kind of society that could grow up. it was always one of my favourites. Kirsteen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSturkey turning...OT
I gotta say this before Chuck does: FOOD FIGHT! On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 09:31 -0700, MaryAnn Helland wrote: *Hello* -- the point that I was trying to make is -- if you're going to preach, then you should practice what you preach. Which you don't do. Last I checked, this is America. Eating turkey is a time-honored tradition. So is talking about it. So get over yourself! On this list, the only restraint is the amount of time that is devoted to non-CS conversations. Oh -- and we're not supposed to talk about politics or God. Turkey is not on the restricted list. :-) But I agree that we've spent more time on the topic than we should have. So -- apols to Mike in advance of the scolding that is surely forthcoming. MA __ From: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:49:56 AM Subject: Re: CSturkey turning...OT *Hello*, dead bodies *are* corpses. And you are free to disregard what I say, as well. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 07:21:44AM -0700, MaryAnn Helland wrote: And I don't like to read my food being referred to as *corpses* in MY inbox Indi. If you don't like the subject matter, use your delete button. Yes, this is the silver list -- and limited off-topic conversation is allowed, as I recall. MA -- From: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:59:00 AM Subject: Re: CSturkey turning...OT Your point of view is I imposed my belief upon others instead letting others make their own decisions. What about the turkey's right to make his own decisions? He's not an object, you know. Yes, proud to be a member of PETA. And telling that story was simply my gentle little way of saying, we don't all want advice on how to prepare corpses in our inbox. No offense, but this is the silver-list... :) On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 09:31:06AM -0400, Teri wrote: Indi, Once again as a vegetarian you impose your beliefs upon others instead of letting them make their own decisions. That turkey was raised to be food and your letting him loose because you are a vegetarian was a militant act. Are you a member of PETA? Teri -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: [1]silver-l...@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: [2]silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour [3]mdev...@eskimo.com -- indi References Visible links 1. mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com 2. mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com 3. mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- indi
Re: CSturkey turning...OT
Maybe, maybe not; turkeys, like most bird-brains have many built in survival instincts, and given space enough do pretty well. On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 17:36 +0100, Kirsteen Wright wrote: On 4/24/09, Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote: But the night before the drawing (two days before Thanksgiving), I decided to just drop by after closing and set him free, screw chance, LOL! Surely I made some people mad that Thanksgiving... And one turkey happy. He ran off into the woods that night, and I was glad for him. My messages are obviously coming in out of sequence :-( I've just got this one. the trouble with gestures like this is, if you free an animal that was raised for food, it usually has absolutely no idea how to survive in the wild but continues to wait for food to be given to it. This often has the consequence of the animal having a slow and lingering death instead of a quick one and thus increasing it's suffering. Kirsteen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSturkey turning...OT
HA! I beat you to it!! On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 12:44 -0400, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: WOO,HOO A REAL FOOD FIGHT!!! BTW, you DO know about the silver Off-Topic list that you should be using? Chuck The most important part of a microbiologist's job is not letting the little things get to him. On 4/24/2009 10:21:44 AM, MaryAnn Helland (marmar...@bellsouth.net) wrote: And I don't like to read my food being referred to as *corpses* in MY inbox Indi. If you don't like the subject matter, use your delete button. Yes, this is the silver list -- and limited off-topic conversation is allowed, as I recall. MA - From: Indi indi.sha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 8:59:00 AM Subject: Re: CSturkey turning...OT Your point of view is I imposed my belief upon others ins No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/24/09 07:54:00 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSthe corpse thread...OT
Perhaps this is a misunderstanding? I think the suggestion is that private email is not intended for public consumption. On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 14:12 -0500, Ruth Bertella wrote: I don't know where Indi is trying to go with these statements or what she is trying to prove, but I'd like to go on record as saying that I have never, ever sent emails to her personal email address - only to the silver list. Her claim otherwise let's us even more to her persona... - Original Message - From: Indi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 1:32 PM Subject: Re: CSthe corpse thread...OT Being personal email, your issue is with Ruth if you have any sense of faurness whatsoever. I decline to address that further here, just as I decline to post any email Ruth has sent me to a public list. I will say that I certainly have an opinion about the sort of person Ruth is, and it is well backed by her behavior toward me. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 07:27:00PM +0100, Kirsteen Wright wrote: On 4/24/09, Indi [1]indi.sha...@gmail.com wrote: But most corpse-eaters can't stand for anyone to point out that what they are doing is eating corpses. Don't you ever wonder why? :) I don't actually think that's true. I have no problem with eating bird, aninmal or fish corpses. they're all delicious. And I certainly have no problem with free speech. However 'Do you actually have a function in life, other than being an utter asshole and a troll? -- indi doesn't actually strike me as promoting free speech. Kirsteen References Visible links 1. mailto:indi.sha...@gmail.com -- indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSturkey turning...OT
I'm a Triple Asparagus, myself. On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 14:12 -0500, Clayton Family wrote: Hey! Who's disparaging vegetarians?!!! lol Kathryn On Apr 24, 2009, at 10:34 AM, MaryAnn Helland wrote: Run for your lives!! We're surrounded by list-cops and vegetarians!! LOL MA From: mborg...@att.net mborg...@att.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 10:22:58 AM Subject: Re: Fw: CSturkey turning...OT thought this was the silver list not the ot list enough with the turkeys! -- Original message from MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net: -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAplogy
Well, it was fun there for a while, huh? On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 20:14 +0100, Kirsteen Wright wrote: Please accept my apologies everyone. I've just realised how far off topic we've gone and now we're getting personal. Sorry if anything I've said has offended anyone. I'm bowing out of this discussion and will try to stay on topic (reasonably-ish :-) in future. Cheers Kirsteen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPETA
Very good point! Ah, the irony of it all! On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 16:38 -0400, Indi wrote: Calling on a Libertarian to do censorship doesn't strike anyone else as just a bit odd? I do find it pretty funny, myself... :D On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:26:52PM -0400, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: C'mon Mike!!! We've been provoking you! How about it? Chuck Dijon vu, the same mustard as before. On 4/24/2009 4:01:49 PM, Indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote: LOL, that site is completely absurd. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 03:44:36PM -0400, Day Sutton wrote: [1]http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ no further comment necessary -- Day Sutton [2]day.sut...@gmail.com References Visible links 1. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ 2. mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com -- indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Content-Description: AVG certification No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/24/09 07:54:00
Re: CSPETA
HUH?? Who hijacked what, Frank? I've seen plenty of ideology and idealogues to go along with themon this thread; including, now, yours. Glad you enjoy corpses, me to; hope something improves your discernment of humor though. On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 16:45 -0400, frankcuns-r...@comcast.net wrote: Indi, You have hijacked this forum with your ideology and that is not right. I encourage you to drop the subject and use an appropriate venue. A corpse-eater Frank Indi wrote: Calling on a Libertarian to do censorship doesn't strike anyone else as just a bit odd? I do find it pretty funny, myself... :D On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 04:26:52PM -0400, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: C'mon Mike!!! We've been provoking you! How about it? Chuck Dijon vu, the same mustard as before. On 4/24/2009 4:01:49 PM, Indi (indi.sha...@gmail.com) wrote: LOL, that site is completely absurd. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 03:44:36PM -0400, Day Sutton wrote: [1]http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ no further comment necessary -- Day Sutton [2]day.sut...@gmail.com References Visible links 1. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/ 2. mailto:day.sut...@gmail.com -- indi -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Content-Description: AVG certification No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2078 - Release Date: 04/24/09 07:54:00
Re: CSMurder...OT
There's a short story somewhere, the aliens come to earth and contrary to expectations don't dominate us. Instead help us settle our international differences without war, end disease, poverty, starvation. many of them carry a small book with them, which they consult often when working with us to solve our problems; seems to be, perhaps, some religious text?? Almost impossible to read their written language, and when asked they demur, saying it's not really relevant. Finally someone manages to get hold of a copy and after a couple of years succeeds in translating the title: How To Serve Man It's a cookbook. On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 16:55 -0600, sol wrote: Thanks so much for mentioning that book and reminding me of it. I read it umpteen years ago and LOVED it, and have just ordered a used copy, as it is apparently out of print. sol Kirsteen Wright wrote: There's a marvellous SF book by Donald Kingsbury 'Geta'. I believe it was called 'Courtship Rites' in America about an energy poor planet. Man has colonised it in the distant past it is not really suitable for sustaining human life. It's indigenous plants and animals cannot be eaten so are 'profane' and the only flesh available is human, so cannibalism has become a sacred ritual. It talks about eating unwanted babies but doesn't mention what the flesh tastes like. It really is a fascinating book about the kind of society that could grow up. it was always one of my favourites. Kirsteen -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
