RE: D3 Automatic Faxing
If you would consider a commercial product, and have a Windows PRO (or better) machine in the environment, you might consider our WordLynx/ FaxLynx combo. Invoices, statements, orders etc produced via WORD templates (easy for client to change, include new graphics etc) and can then be faxed add MailLynx to the mix and they can be emailed as well if you need .PDF for publishing to web, just add Acrobat to the mix You can download evals, manuals etc from http://www.stamina.com.au/Products/LynxProducts/Products_Downloads.htm Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mark Johnson >Sent: Wednesday, 17 March 2004 5:41 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: D3 Automatic Faxing > >Dear All: > >One of my clients, D3, unix Terian Whitebox Pick server (?) would like to >have his system generate roughly 100 faxes per day for invoices and >purchase orders. > >I would be interested what the off-the-shelf approach would be. He has a US >Robotics Modem connected to a serial port and all of his users are PC's >running Accuterm. > >One thought is the user-level Blat-like approach whereby the document is >downloaded to the user's PC and that PC has a Fax setup as a printer, blah, >blah, blah. > >I'm open for suggestions. > >Thanks in advance. > >Mark Johnson >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.627 / Virus Database: 402 - Release Date: 16/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.627 / Virus Database: 402 - Release Date: 16/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: U2 file articles in International Spectrum
I wonder when Gus is going to update the website, so those of us outside USA can have a read !?! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Results >Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2004 9:00 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: U2 file articles in International Spectrum > >Jeff, >I enjoyed the initial article. When you start the section titled >"The Hash Key" the writing style changes for the better. The opening was >a bit impersonal. >From a technical standpoint, it wasn't new material for me, but it >was is an excellent base for the rest of the series. I look to forward >to the next entry. It's an excellent topic, complimented by strong writing. > >- Charles "Picky" Barouch > >Jeff Fitzgerald wrote: > >>Peggy and I are writing a series of articles in Spectrum about U2 files. >>The first one is in the March/April issue which is just out. I'd be >>interested in reactions and feedback. The first article is pretty >>introductory; we're going to do five or six and will strive for some >depth. >>Feel free to email any comments or post to the list if appropriate. >> >>Thanks! >> >>Jeff Fitzgerald >>Fitzgerald & Long, Inc. >> >>mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>http://www.fitzlong.com >> >>(303) 755-1102 >> >> > >-- > Sincerely, > Charles Barouch > www.KeyAlly.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.634 / Virus Database: 406 - Release Date: 18/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.634 / Virus Database: 406 - Release Date: 18/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: U2 file articles in International Spectrum
Ahhh, what do I want to know and the answer given by all good users is "if I knew what I didn't know then I wouldn't have to ask, but I don't know WHAT I don't know, so I don't know !" (or sumfin like dat) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Results >Sent: Monday, 22 March 2004 2:39 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: U2 file articles in International Spectrum > >Ross, >What do you want to know? I am willing to be bribed for any/all >information and I'm both cheap and easy. > >- Charles "That came out wrong" Barouch > >Ross Ferris wrote: > >>I wonder when Gus is going to update the website, so those of us outside >USA can have a read !?! >> >>Ross Ferris >>Stamina Software >>Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >> >> > > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.634 / Virus Database: 406 - Release Date: 18/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.634 / Virus Database: 406 - Release Date: 18/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Memory resident hash tables/files
What platform are you on ? If you could make a RAM-drive, then simply create the files there. Could copy from "physical" media and have triggers perform dual updates (physical & RAM drives). Other side of the coin of course is that if a file is being referenced THAT frequently, it's probably cached anyway, and the gains may not warrant the hassles Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Marco Manyevere >Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2004 6:06 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [UV] Memory resident hash tables/files > >Hi All, > >I would like to store records from small static parameter files that are >accessed frequently in a memory resident hash table in the common area. >What would it take to achieve this in UV BASIC? What would it take for IBM >to introduce internal hashtable type variables (such as those found in some >C++ class libraries) in UV. > >Regards, Marco. > > >- > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! >Download Messenger Now >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
Michael,
1) You are right - you MIGHT need JavaScript skills if you want to do anything
"special". If you copy/paste modify the following
VRE.doAction("CallU2");
substituting your own "action" as appropriate, you have mastered all the jScript you
need ! Hopefully you would agree that this is not too taxing ?! Beyond this,
JavaScript skills really are "optional extras"
2) All you have to do is ask for a price :-) There are a number of "options"
available, ranging from straight "per seat" models, through portal licensing (similar
to a Redback WebShare - no seat caps set) right through to enterprise licences (which
is "appealing" to larger VARs like Reynolds & Reynolds).
We have also "entertained" (stolen?) some other licensing variants for VARs (like the
Uniface "% of sale" model, even the "rent for life" model). We like to discuss needs
with potential VARs and users - and licensing is only one aspect of the "real cost" of
adoption with ANY product.
If you are serious about moving your applications into the 21st Century, Visage is the
most complete, feature rich product you will find, and if you operate on multiple
platforms then you will appreciate innovations like "snippet technology", which is
part of our overall drive to code reduction.
Give the guys at American Computer Technics a call for the full story, and to discuss
how we can help you achieve you goals!
3) We have offered a Viságe test drive facility for around 3 years now so that you can
"play" with the product. Give the guys @ ACTi a call for your test drive CD.
The test drive allows us to monitor what you are doing, and provide remote assistance
- we've even used it to give Board presentations 1/2 way around the world.
Once you graduate from the "public sandbox", if you still aren't 'sold' you can have
your own private area set up, loaded with your data OR you can get an eval loaded onto
your own systems.
Once more, our emphasis is on helping people to get the most out of Visage
BTW, we are SO CONFIDENT in Viságe that we also offer a 110% money back guarantee ! So
you REALLY CAN NOT LOOSE !
4) Refer to 2. Certainly one of the options available is the "per seat" licence model,
but perhaps the Portal is more appropriate for your needs ?
BTW, don't forget that even with the "per seat" models you can still be streets in
front when you factor in the savings of Database seat costs for new sites, OR the
ability to support higher user populations with existing sites
If you were impressed with the movies, they only tell part of the story!
The reason why Viságe LOOKED like an impressive product is because Viságe IS an
impressive product - and EVERYTHING is there in a single, unified product offering :
Full GUI screen designer with Drag'n'Drop dictionary integration, full use of existing
file structures & application logic (with REAL record locking so Viságe applications
can co-exist with your existing green screen applications), active dictionaries & code
reduction technologies, WYSIWYG printed form & report designer - Viságe even offers a
Data Warehouse/ Business Intelligence facility that puts dedicated, single purpose
products to shame !
Michael, I don't recall if you actually activated your test drive account back in
2002, but if you contact ACTi for a new one, you will see that we haven't been idle :-)
Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage - an Evolution in Software Development
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>Behalf Of Michael Spencer
>Sent: Tuesday, 30 March 2004 3:12 AM
>To: U2 Users Discussion List
>Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
>Last I looked at Visage, it:
>
>1) required javascript skills
>2) had no published price
>3) had no developer copy available
>4) had not only a developers cost but a "per seat" cost
>
>Apart from those 4 problems, however, the "movies" did make it look like
>an impressive product.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>On Behalf Of Will
>Sent: March 29, 2004 3:02 PM
>To: U2 Users Discussion List
>Subject: Re: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
>
>You want Pick on the web... simple, use Visage!
>
>Patrick "Will" Williams, President
>American Computer Technics, Inc.
>919-567-0042 Raleigh, NC
> - Original Message -
> From: David T. Meeks
> To: U2 Users Discussion List
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 6:37 AM
> Subject: RE: Modern Universe - was: The lists are closing
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>
> While one could make the argument that Pick has not embraced emerging
> technologies as
RE: Volunteer Board
That said, I think that it would be "nice" to have some representation from each 'major' country where U2 is used ... UK is covered, USA (obvious) ./... haven't looked for Aus, SA, NZ, NL (and sorry for 'others' I just snubbed) should 'add' to the international flavour Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Dennis Bartlett >Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2004 5:56 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: Volunteer Board > >>> The number of after-the fact non-volunteers pointing out >what we >>> *should* have done is always staggering... > >I think what you've done is excellent. > >I think that the who comparison thang came about as a result >of the >imminent demise of the oliver thing... > >Volunteer? > >No problem, only I wonder if > - what I know > - where I live > - the currency I use >would be of any use to you... > > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: XML or WORD Format???
Alternatively, if you had a Win2K Pro or "better" machine on the network, you could consider our WordLynx product to produce your invoices "natively" into Word format (the WordLynx server component runs as a service on "NT" style platforms, so the machine can be used for "other tasks" - and green screens can also initiate production of Word documents. You can download an eval & manuals from www.stamina.com.au - just follow the WordLynx links. The "beauty" of WordLynx is that an end user can change the format of an invoice/statement/etc, include graphics, change fonts etc by simply using Word - and there are no backend program changes. If you add Adobe Distiller to the "WordLynx Server", then you can also produce .PDFs Good luck Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Robert Colquhoun >Sent: Friday, 2 April 2004 10:48 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: XML or WORD Format??? > >Hello, > >-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>On Behalf Of Haas, John >>Does Anyone know of a way to convert either .pdf or PCL formats to XML >>and/or WORD format that will run under HP-UX. > >I might be completely wrong here as i have never used the product but >someone recently told me Open Office can read in pdf files which you can >edit and then save as ms-word documents. > >If you are really lucky there might be a version available that runs >natively on HP-UX. > >- Robert > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.639 / Virus Database: 408 - Release Date: 22/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Are there any major U2 distributors in UK or USA ?
Please forgive my ignorance, but in Australasia there appear to be 2 'master VARs' of U2 products (PRISM & MBS), though I understand there are 'some' people that deal direct with IBM. I'm just wondering what the 'norm' is in the outside world these days ? For example, I know that Monolith used to be 'big' at one time as a U2 distributor, yet there doesn't appear to be much recent stuff on their website (post 2002). Is this a void in the market ? was it filled by someone else (IBM Direct?) Is there a similar tale from the UK ? Europe ? South Africa ? Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 31/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Modern Universe (TESTING)
Whilst not a 'built in' facility, you can code a solution around this to get (more or less) instant results using a dual/degenerate inversion scheme - of course that would also have required you to know in advance that you wanted to perform such a wildcard search on the field in question. Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, 5 April 2004 2:24 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Modern Universe (TESTING) > >In a message dated 4/4/2004 9:11:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> >One thing I think everyone's missed (deliberately or otherwise) >> >wildcard (WHERE address LIKE '%EXPLORATION'). >> >> I brought this up a couple of times, nobody seemed to be interested >> to check the difference. >> >> Joe Eugene >> > >Personally I would be surprised if either database had a way of handling >leading wildcards other than an exhaustive scan. >Will >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 31/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 31/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[ANNOUNCEMENT] Visage Roadshow in NZ
For anyone that lives in the "Shaky Isles", or is simply after an excuse to visit New Zealand, please mark your diaries for April 29-30. mvSolutions and Stamina Software will be staging a 2 day event in Auckland to showcase Viságe as a GUI development tool, and also Viságe.BIT for Business Intelligence/Data Warehouse applications. If you are a U2 (or other mv DB) user or VAR and haven't been invited, please contact the guys @ mvSolutions for details - the more the merrier ! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Visage Roadshow in NZ
Brian, Whilst I appreciate YOUR position, you have to remember that I'll be leaving NEWCASTLE, NSW - you know, the Hunter Valley? Port Stephens? Lake Macquarie? All on the doorstop ! It IS a hard life, and I'm glad I get to do it ! PS: We are usually on the lookout for skilled people looking for a "Sea Change" - OR the challenge of working with innovative, leading edge technologies. Feel free to send an unsolicited CV any time :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Brian Leach >Sent: Tuesday, 13 April 2004 7:53 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Visage Roadshow in NZ > > >If only ... > >You shouldn't torture us like that - on our first day back to work after >the >Easter weekend! > >Now I'm going to spend the rest of the day thinking about the Black Barn >vineyard in Hawkes bay... > >Enjoy your roadshow you swine > >Brian Leach > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Ross Ferris >Sent: 13 April 2004 01:28 >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Nick Suvalko >Subject: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Visage Roadshow in NZ > >For anyone that lives in the "Shaky Isles", or is simply after an excuse to >visit New Zealand, please mark your diaries for April 29-30. > >mvSolutions and Stamina Software will be staging a 2 day event in Auckland >to showcase Viságe as a GUI development tool, and also Viságe.BIT for >Business Intelligence/Data Warehouse applications. > >If you are a U2 (or other mv DB) user or VAR and haven't been invited, >please contact the guys @ mvSolutions for details - the more the merrier ! > > >Ross Ferris >Stamina Software >Visage - an Evolution in Software Development > > > >This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar >malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. > >DISCLAIMER > >This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be >privileged. > >If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender >immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other >person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. > >In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please >contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Microgen Information Management Solutions >http://www.microgen.co.uk >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The future of U2
I'd also think that rather than "any" database, the target would be DB2 :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of djordan >Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2004 10:20 AM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: The future of U2 > >I think the target was for next year. > >David Jordan > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Steve Mayo >Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2004 2:46 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: The future of U2 > > > >Hi, > >Does anyone out there know whether IBM is considering database >independence (ala jBase) for the U2 databases? By this, I mean >unplugging the Unidata/Universe database and plugging in SQL Server or >some other database. The last I heard that it was being considered for a >future release, but have not heard anything recently. If so, any idea >when this might happen? > >TIA, > >Steve Mayo >Software Engineer >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The future of U2
Implementation wise, I think there are some "right" and "wrong" decisions that could be made. One of the "biggies" has to do with data typing, and the "common" practice multiply defining a field for different purposes - you know the drill - <1> might be a date, or a null, or some kind of flag. This would obviously have an impact on the ability to "get at" data with SQL - assuming that records aren't stored as "blob/glob" as some products do. The message in this I suppose is to make sure that your database is "tight" if you are looking at walking down this path and before you say "we never do that", take a good, hard look at any temporary work files your application might use as an intermediate staging point !! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis >Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 3:30 AM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: The future of U2 > >I don't know the answer to this, but the picture in my head would permit >SQL >against the DB2 structures directly, so I'm guessing that will help for >anyone requiring SQL. > >More importantly for the future, it will be important that anyone using >this >model be able to use their DB2 data through the multivalue/XML-model U2 >view >of the data. It would be a shame to take the data that is in non-1NF, then >implement it in a 1NF model (which they might not be doing since DB2 has >some other possibilities?) and then extract it into a non-1NF format for >web >services, for example. Direct U2<-->XML would be much smarter, I would >think. > >--dawn > >Dawn M. Wolthuis >Tincat Group, Inc. >www.tincat-group.com > >Take and give some delight today. > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Tom Firl >Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:27 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: The future of U2 > >Has any one heard any specifics about the implementation? I'd be >interested >in knowing whether or not Universe applications using DB2 as a data store >will require setting up a Universe SQL schema. I'm supposing that it >will... > >Tom Firl >Columbia Ultimate > >> -Original Message- >> From: Roger Glenfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:21 PM >> To: U2 Users Discussion List >> Subject: RE: The future of U2 >> >> >> I believe the wording was DB2 and then others based on 'demand'. >> >> Roger >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > Behalf Of Ross Ferris >> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:06 PM >> > To: U2 Users Discussion List >> > Subject: RE: The future of U2 >> > >> > >> > I'd also think that rather than "any" database, the target would >> > be DB2 :-) >> > >> > Ross Ferris >> > Stamina Software >> > Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >> > >> > >> > http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> >> >> -- >> u2-users mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The future of U2
I thought this was done "behind the scenes" ? For our part we are looking with interest at what comes out of the mix in terms of XML & databases over the next 18 months or so from the "big 3" - Oracle, SQL Server & DB2. If we get these facilities "natively" from U2 (or another mv player), great. If not, then we have "Plan V" :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Steve Mayo >Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 4:01 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: The future of U2 > >The way that jBase handles the problem is by requiring the database be >flattened out (i.e., no multivalues) and strict data typing. This is of >course the standard with 1NF databases. Unfortunately for most of us, it >means a complete redesign of the existing mv database structure. Over the >past several years, all new systems that I have developed have used 1NF. >Still most of the data still uses multivalues and would take years to >convert. :-) > >Steve > > >>Implementation wise, I think there are some "right" and "wrong" decisions >that could be made. One of the "biggies" has to do with data typing, and >the "common" practice multiply defining a field for different purposes - >you know the drill - <1> might be a date, or a null, or some kind of flag. >> >>This would obviously have an impact on the ability to "get at" data with >SQL - assuming that records aren't stored as "blob/glob" as some products >do. >> >>The message in this I suppose is to make sure that your database is >"tight" if you are looking at walking down this path and before you >say "we never do that", take a good, hard look at any temporary work files >your application might use as an intermediate staging point !! >> >>Ross Ferris >>Stamina Software >>Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >> >> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis >>>Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 3:30 AM >>>To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >>>Subject: RE: The future of U2 >>> >>>I don't know the answer to this, but the picture in my head would permit >>>SQL >>>against the DB2 structures directly, so I'm guessing that will help for >>>anyone requiring SQL. >>> >>>More importantly for the future, it will be important that anyone using >>>this >>>model be able to use their DB2 data through the multivalue/XML-model U2 >>>view >>>of the data. It would be a shame to take the data that is in non-1NF, >then >>>implement it in a 1NF model (which they might not be doing since DB2 has >>>some other possibilities?) and then extract it into a non-1NF format for >>>web >>>services, for example. Direct U2<-->XML would be much smarter, I would >>>think. >>> >>>--dawn >>> >>>Dawn M. Wolthuis >>>Tincat Group, Inc. >>>www.tincat-group.com >>> >>>Take and give some delight today. >>> >>> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>Behalf Of Tom Firl >>>Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 10:27 AM >>>To: U2 Users Discussion List >>>Subject: RE: The future of U2 >>> >>>Has any one heard any specifics about the implementation? I'd be >>>interested >>>in knowing whether or not Universe applications using DB2 as a data store >>>will require setting up a Universe SQL schema. I'm supposing that it >>>will... >>> >>>Tom Firl >>>Columbia Ultimate >>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: Roger Glenfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 8:21 PM >>>> To: U2 Users Discussion List >>>> Subject: RE: The future of U2 >>>> >>>> >>>> I believe the wording was DB2 and then others based on 'demand'. >>>> >>>> Roger >>>> >>>> > -Original Message- >>>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> > Behalf Of Ross Ferris >>>> > Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:06 PM >>>> > To: U2 Users Discussion List >>>> > Subject: RE:
RE: Productivity metrics
The other interesting thing I noted @ the HELLO WORLD site was that we had FULL source code for things like delphi - even though 99.9% was produced automatically from the IDE ! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Brian Leach >Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2004 11:25 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: Productivity metrics > >Ok I see. >Meaningless then. >You can write some pretty hairy nested stuff into a single 'C' statement. >How is that counted? >If you call a library function, do you count all the lines in that >function? >If you execute a SQL command under TSQL, how much of the SQL library is >included in the tally? > >It's like those old programming competitions - write the shortest program >in >any computer language that prints itself, and so forth (before anyone pipes >up, my entry: pg $0) > >I used a class generator a while back to generate VB classes to access a >data source. The classes are horrible, complicated, long winded things - >but >since they were machine generated and provide just about every method I >might need my productivity was actually improved by using them. > >A uvCase screen is built using a screen designer or from a short script. >But >the screen interpreter includes thousands of lines of Delphi code. Again, >which is counted? > >As a measure it all sounds a bit pointless - I can't see how number of >statements relates to programmer productivity when there are so many >different ways to pare a moggie. > >Brian > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Bob Dubery >Sent: 14 April 2004 12:59 >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: Productivity metrics > > >- Original Message - >From: "Brian Leach" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "'U2 Users Discussion List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 1:55 PM >Subject: RE: Productivity metrics > > >> By 'lines of code' I wonder what they mean? >> >> Lines of source code? Number of Actions? Source or executable statements? >I've seen it expressed as lines of source code or as "statements" > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >This email was checked by MessageLabs SkyScan before entering Microgen. > > > >This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar >malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. > >DISCLAIMER > >This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be >privileged. > >If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender >immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other >person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. > >In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please >contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Microgen Information Management Solutions >http://www.microgen.co.uk >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.656 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Productivity metrics
Do the metrics take the impact of tools into account ? Some of the examples I've looked at seem to include "all" lines of code produced from an environment like Delphi or VB, even though >80% of this "code" is produced from the IDE. I'm sure the same would be true of tools like SB+, and certainly with our Viságe product, though in both cases this would be offset to a degree by the effort involved in "smartening up" dictionaries Many of the "things" that historically required "hard code" can now be reduced to parameter settings for an "object" - how do you measure this ? Or the flow through effect of changing an output conversion from, say, D2/ to D4/, in an active dictionary environment. The productivity impact is obvious - but how do you quantify that sort of "gain" ? especially when it may be tempered by the fact that other parts of an organization/system may still be using "old fashioned", hand crafted PickBasic ? (I don't really want/need an answer to this, as I think the "results" could be skewed to show "anything", and the time taken to gain the result/insight could be longer than the time taken to get the job done ?!?) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Lee Leitner >Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2004 11:14 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: Productivity metrics > >Sounds about right IMO. > >On Thu, 15 Apr 2004, Bob Dubery wrote: > >> Which'd put MV Basic at at about 35 LOC/FP. >> >> Interestingly that's not far off the score I arrived at by gut feel. >> >> -- >> u2-users mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >> > >-- >Lee J. Leitner, Ph.D. [EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.leitner.org/~leitnerl > >The world can only be grasped by action, not by >contemplation. The hand is the cutting edge of the mind. > -- Jacob Bronowski V.13.0 >--- >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UniVerse vs Progress Performance
Probably need to see Progress running on the IBM under AIX - or UV on Intel chip with same OS to make significant comparison; even neglecting just WHAT is going on under the hood could have been 400+ users doing 'nothing' Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis >Sent: Friday, 16 April 2004 1:36 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: UniVerse vs Progress Performance > >I'm curious if there is a follow up on this? Is it a database tuning >issue? >Indexing? Memory? ... > >Thanks. --dawn > >Dawn M. Wolthuis >Tincat Group, Inc. >www.tincat-group.com > >Take and give some delight today. > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of André Nel >Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 3:07 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: FW: UniVerse vs Progress Performance > > > >Hi All > >Visited a neighbouring company (same line of business as ours) running 430 >users on a Compaq Proliant box with SCO Openserver 5 and Progress version >9.1c as database. Application is in-house. At the time of my visit the CPU >usage was constantly running at 80%. No problems being experienced with >users complaining the system is slow etc. > >The server spec is as follows: > >2x intel pentium III xeon 500Mhz processors >1.8GB RAM >Smart Array 3200 controller >Compaq Fast SCSI-2 controller >10x 18.2 GB Ultra SCSI-2 drives (8 drives are RAID 1, other 2 RAID 0) and 5 >drives on Ultra 2 controller and 5 drives on Ultra 3 Controller >2x 10/100 Tx Ethernet controllers > >We are running AIX v5.1 with Maintainance Level 3 and UniVerse 10.0.7 (190 >users) on a p620 box with the following specs: > >System Model: IBM,7025-6F1 >Machine Serial Number: 6577ABA >Processor Type: PowerPC_RS64-III >Number Of Processors: 2 >Processor Clock Speed: 602 MHz >CPU Type: 64-bit >Kernel Type: 32-bit >LPAR Info: -1 NULL >Memory Size: 4096 MB >Good Memory Size: 4096 MB >Paging 3072MB >Firmware Version: IBM,M2P01208 > >Our box is struggling with the 190 users. File types are T30. All our lines >are minimum 64K diginet. > >Comparing the 2 boxes, the amount of users on each box, any reason why we >are struggling with the 190 users? The transaction volumes of the company >running 430 users are considerably higher than ours? > >Any comments please > >Thanks > >André > > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[ot] RE: Database decoupling (Was: Future of U2)
Perhaps you should check out our Viságe product :-) Give yourself a modern" visual drag & drop interface (ie: drag items from your UV dictionary definition & drop them on a form - inherit edits etc from dictionary, but you can override if necessary), that uses "internet technologies" (like HTTP for data transport, XML for data abstraction etc) and has features NOW that Microsoft are talking about adding to Visual Studio "next year" (integrated BI/Data warehouse capabilities leveraging SQL server capabilities - though Viságe.BIT will happily work with data from your U2 database) We've also taken the liberty of extending the mv model in a few areas (like supporting >100 levels of nesting, which will "map" every "real world" complex XML document I've seen, with room to grow!), and our active code reduction philosophy (powered by Snippet Technology) means that the amount of "real code" that has to be written for a complex system is minimal - and system systems can be codeless now ! Drop by www.stamina.com.au and follow the Visage links if you are interested, or drop us a line and we can send you out a test drive CD if you like. Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Daly, Mark >Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2004 3:10 AM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: Database decoupling (Was: Future of U2) > >Well no, not really. I was thinking more in the line of "New application >development that would like to provide the ability to utilize modern >Internet protocols". A web presence would be included in that - but was >actually furthest from my mind. > >B2B interaction for example. Or even internal application integration. >Being >able to publish web services etc. etc. > > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:28 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Database decoupling (Was: Future of U2) > > >In a message dated 4/15/2004 4:37:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> Without this ability, I see no reason why anyone would commence new >> application development on the U2 platform. Since you will always >> require another application server (Websphere, Tomcat, Bea, Jboss, >> etc.) to talk to the U2 server, that would in-turn interact with the >> database. >> > >I'm sure Mark you mean "New application development that must have a web >presence". Unless you feel that all application development must have a >web > >presence. >Will >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Database decoupling (Was: Future of U2)
> Not saying all businesses are this way. But I'm saying I don't think >that is where most of the traditional multi-value market is focused. BUT, unless we help our customers get there - OR find new customers that WANT to get there, we (as a market) run the risk that OUR existing customers will loose market share & be consumed by more forward thinking competitors, which in turn may mean that we too are out of a career ! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2004 3:53 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: Database decoupling (Was: Future of U2) > > I'm just not seeing a great demand for this sort of thing from the >majority 10 to 100 user businesses that typically utilize multi-value >products. I mean some of my clients, and myself are only just NOW playing >with Triggers and transaction sets. Most application are very business >oriented, and even getting them up and running with FTPing a product list >to a web page, or browsing documentation in HTML or PDF format is a major >leap forward. > Not saying all businesses are this way. But I'm saying I don't think >that is where most of the traditional multi-value market is focused. >Will > > >In a message dated 4/16/2004 1:09:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> Well no, not really. I was thinking more in the line of "New application >> development that would like to provide the ability to utilize modern >> Internet protocols". A web presence would be included in that - but was >> actually furthest from my mind. >> >> B2B interaction for example. Or even internal application integration. >Being >> able to publish web services etc. etc. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 11:28 AM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: Database decoupling (Was: Future of U2) >> >> >> In a message dated 4/15/2004 4:37:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> >> > Without this ability, I see no reason why anyone would commence new >> > application development on the U2 platform. Since you will always >> > require another application server (Websphere, Tomcat, Bea, Jboss, >> > etc.) to talk to the U2 server, that would in-turn interact with the >> > database. >> > >> >> I'm sure Mark you mean "New application development that must have a web >> presence". Unless you feel that all application development must have a >web >> >> presence. >> Will >> -- > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: UV to Text Conversion Standard?
> >Best answer: don't use sub-values. They're evil, anyway. > I've been somewhat "surprised" over recent years by the number of software companies that not only use SVM, but go down a level or 2 from that ! If you are using the "standard" inbuilt facilities of ANY of the mv systems, they have never coped well with SVM - but I wouldn't necessarily say they are "evil". Indeed some of the ways I've seemed them used to map real world problems simplify the issues at hand, and can help render better performance. To NOT use multi-values in an MV database to a certain extent diminishes one of the major arguments for using mv in the first place, doesn't it ? You are already compromising your design (perhaps) because of your choice of tool. Perhaps we should all capitulate & start to use flat CSV files ? Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Geoffrey Mitchell >Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2004 4:06 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: UV to Text Conversion Standard? > >To my knowledge, no. Not in Universe anyway. I *think* (from the docs, >I've never played with it) that UniData has a way to map sub-values to >ODBC/JDBC, but UniVerse does not. Multivalues work fine, but it doesn't >go any lower than that. > >Best answer: don't use sub-values. They're evil, anyway. > >On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 12:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Thank you, but what is the exact method to do this? >> I have never seen a "view of SVM level data" that actually works. >> Using ODBC or any other tool >> And by "works" I mean that it understands the relationship of the SVM >data to the VM data and the relationship of that to the AM data and >properly processes table-in-a-table configurations for editing, etc. >> >> It's one thing to use BY-EXP to understand VM level tables, but can you >really use some tool to understand SVM embedded data at that second table >level? >> Will >> >> >> In a message dated 4/16/2004 1:03:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> > Will, >> > >> > I'm not sure if this is what you're asking but all it does is create a >> > "virtual" view of the data into 1nf tables that Excel (in this case) >sees >> > and understands. >> > >> > Note: I have only done this with UniData and D3 and I know UniVerse >does it >> > a little differently. >> > >> > -- >> > Colin Alfke >> > Calgary, Alberta Canada >> > >> > "Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean that you can't fix >it" >> > >> > Stu Pickles >> > >> > >> > >-Original Message- >> > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 9:26 AM >> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > >Subject: Re: UV to Text Conversion Standard? >> > > >> > > >> > >In a message dated 4/15/2004 12:52:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> > > >> > > >> > >> You can use the UniVerse ODBC Driver to pull the data from >> > >UniVerse to >> > >> Excel, using correct dictionaries UniVerse will normalise >> > >the data and sort >> > >> out the VM and SVM for you. >> > > >> > >Jonathan can you give a exact method for "sorting of >> > SVM's" >> > >within Universe >> > >using an ODBC (or really any tool). >> > >I am not aware of this >> > >Thank you >> > >Will >> > -- >> > u2-users mailing list >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >-- >Geoffrey Mitchell 314-684-1062 >Programmer/Analyst [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Knights Direct > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
Don't forget to mention "the Drumheller(? Drumhella?) Trick !" Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Results >Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2004 4:45 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: PI Open is going away > >PI/Open-ers, >I'd like to write a 'memorial' article for Database Trends >acknowledging the PI and Prime contributions to the community as a >whole. Would a few of you be willing to write up some brief paragraphs >on things like: >"So I said to Mike, we'll call them "I Descriptors" and he said it >would never catch on..." > >In other words, I'd like to collect some personal stories about how >these functions came about. If I get enough (and enough variety) I'll >present it to my editors. Contributions to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >-- > Sincerely, > Charles Barouch > www.KeyAlly.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Crystal Reports
>I'm trying to strongly propose a data warehouse concept whereby the day's >sales data gets exported and updated into their prior application for the >sake of the multitude of existing, proven reports in MV. If these guys took >3 days for a simple tax report, how can CR fabricate temporary tables for >the sake of these consolidated sophisticated MV reports? > >I'm just interested in hearing of some experiences. This client is too >stubborn to go back from GP and may even disregard their entire MV system >completely. I really have nothing to lose if I insult them. Don't hold your breath --> keeping UD going would be an indictment on the people that made the decision in the first place - and they still sign the checks, right ? I do feel your pain though . I've seen companies that wouldn't spend $10K on modifications jump to what they perceive as a "better/mainstream" product, and proceed to spend $500K to try to make it work . and 3 years down the track they still have a mess ! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mark Johnson >Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2004 4:51 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Crystal Reports > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Crystal Reports
H, We spent 3 years developing a product (CrystalLynx) that allowed us to work with Crystal - it automatically "normalized" the data for you, so I think it would be fair to say that "we used it for a while" - and you are right, I don't want to go back (to Crystal). Typical square peg/round hole stuff, because it DIDN'T understand mv all that well - or maybe it was just us ! and I surely didn't like ODBC performance (and reliability on D3 platforms). CR is obviously a good product - #1 in it's field, but these days there ARE products available that work with mv data in a native format, and give CR a good run for it's money ! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mike Randall >Sent: Saturday, 17 April 2004 5:41 AM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: Crystal Reports > >Crystal is indeed a very fine product. It is a banded report writer with a >multitude of programmability. Multivalued data is indeed a pain in the >neck. Normalize the data 1st and you'll find Crystal a joy to use with >output, features and polish that MV can't come close to. The 'problems' >that your users are facing can be addressed with Crystal code (VB syntax or >Crystal's scripting syntax). After using it a while, you'll never want to >go back... > >Mike R. > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mark Johnson >Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 2:51 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Crystal Reports > >One of my clients wants to connect Crystal Reports to their UD database to >apparently give greater access to the data that they sometimes deem as >hidden and only accessable through me. > >This client converted to Great Plains 6 weeks ago (SQL based) and their CR >experts were struggling with duplicating some of the more mundane reports >that already exist in UD. A monthly sales tax summary (by jurisdiction) >took >the GP guy 3 days futzing with CR using GP's data. > >How much trouble are they going to get in trying to use MV'd data from the >UD system (ODBC) if they have so much trouble with more 'normalized' data. >Everyone seems to think that CR is a magic pill and once attached to a SQL >database, the sophisticated reports simply roll off. > >I'm trying to strongly propose a data warehouse concept whereby the day's >sales data gets exported and updated into their prior application for the >sake of the multitude of existing, proven reports in MV. If these guys took >3 days for a simple tax report, how can CR fabricate temporary tables for >the sake of these consolidated sophisticated MV reports? > >I'm just interested in hearing of some experiences. This client is too >stubborn to go back from GP and may even disregard their entire MV system >completely. I really have nothing to lose if I insult them. > >Thanks in advance. > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Crystal Reports
The "Re-compile to GUI" silver bullet just will not come - if for no other reason than the fact that "GUI" sits in front of an "event model", and your green screen code doesn't cater for any event other than the enter button ! There are many paths to the "Nirvana" of GUI (obviously I think - KNOW - that Viságe is the best, but I'll refrain from further direct reference), but they all take time, effort and money. This investment can be greatly reduced by your ability to re-use what you already have in place, most notably that "smart" database design that works so well, and large chunks of code that do smart things. However, I doubt that you OR your 4.5 customers have the time or money to commit to such a project (maybe getting them all to fund development of a single core --> but ) - they may "think" moving to GP (or equivalent) will save them, but the client you are loosing may actually provide you with a real, live example of why your remaining customers should NOT embark on this path. If it is eye candy you are after, why not give it to them ? For example, have you considered adding BI/DW facilities using products like MITS or Viságe.BIT (the latter would also give you the infrastructure to start to develop GUI screens for other key areas) so that your clients get better visibility of WHERE their sales are coming from ? You mentioned email - there are numerous tools available to enable you to email documents like Invoices, Quotes & Statements, and produce these with images, mixed font etc (download a free eval of our WordLynx, FaxLynx & MailLynx products if you get stuck :-) It is up to YOU to update these people to the latest mv technology - no-one else is interested in doing this EXCEPT YOU ! Everyone else out there wants to sell them Great Plains !! so unless YOU start to get them to embrace what is possible, working from their rich mv heritage, the only thing I CAN tell you with certainty is that next you will have 3.5 clients, then 2.5, then ... We all TRIED to ignore Windows & GUI - it didn't go away ! We all waited for the miracle/no pain GUI conversion tool - no joy ! Just remember, your FAILURE to act IS an action ! and I don't think you will like the consequences ! (I don't mean to single you out - you are not alone ! and whilst you may think my comments are harsh, I fear they could be a portent for the future) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mark Johnson >Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 12:34 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: Crystal Reports > > >I think the greatest oversight in all of MV is the inability to re-compile >the existing source code to a GUI equivilent. I'm smart enough to realize >how tremendously difficult that would be. But I know that a major reason >for >my current dilema with this UD/Results guy going to Great Plains is the >visual aspect of it. People taste with their eyes and most IT 20-something >guys have never seen anything decent on a character-based screen so they >relegate it to the sophistication of command-line DOS. While they have made >an incorrect conclusion, their voices speak loudest. And since they hold >the >keys to the contemporary services: email, web sites, network admin etc, >their opinions may carry more weight. > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
Probably. Never knew the guy ... but I thought the "trick" was kinda neat, and I've still been known to use variants to this day :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Clifton Oliver >Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 5:13 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: PI Open is going away > >That would be John "60,000 lines of PMA assemby code and only 3 >comments" Drumheller. > >-- > >Regards, > >Clif >On Apr 17, 2004, at 6:15, Ross Ferris wrote: > >> Don't forget to mention "the Drumheller(? Drumhella?) Trick !" > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Database decoupling (Was: Future of U2)
Yep - guilty as charged, we have a product that can help in terms of "web" technology, though the main focus of Viságe is really as an application development platform. The points that you have raised are (obviously) important but forward thinking ? C'mon, these are features that have been around for 20 years ! When was the last time that anyone here had a "new prospect" get excited about the idea of background processing ? Or drool at the thought of audit files ? Maybe things are different on that side of the Pacific, but my recent experience tells me that unless I can provide the "eye candy" that people EXPECT these days, new sales are harder to make every year. Obviously I understand your sentiment - we have a comprehensive green screen application ourselves, and like many in this group we have a "hard core" of users that LIKE the green screen, and think that we are wasting our time on all of this GUI stuff and they are right - for THEM ! But, NEW sales take a LOT of things for granted - audit files, background processing, and even GUI ! to name a few and so forward thinking for me now has to include taking steps to make sure we continue to make sales into the future :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 8:21 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: Database decoupling (Was: Future of U2) > >And of course it's not self-serving to state that a web presence is itself >necessary in order to be "forward thinking" . I mean since you >offer >a product that does that > Now to me, forward thinking might involve more robust use of log files, >audit files, transactions and rollback, background processing, process >management but then I'm just old school. >Will > >In a message dated 4/17/2004 6:05:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> > Not saying all businesses are this way. But I'm saying I don't think >> >that is where most of the traditional multi-value market is focused. >> >> BUT, unless we help our customers get there - OR find new customers that >> WANT to get there, we (as a market) run the risk that OUR existing >customers >> will loose market share & be consumed by more forward thinking >competitors, >> which in turn may mean that we too are out of a career ! >> >> Ross Ferris >> Stamina Software >> Visage - an Evolution in Software Development > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.658 / Virus Database: 421 - Release Date: 9/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
Will, You are right ! With a product like AccuTerm you can run ANY windows command (within your security constraints), fire off & control any OLE/ActiveX application/control, and on this level Viságe is on a par with AccuTerm et al. If you are ONLY looking at being able to fire off Windows applications, then the reality is that there is little to differentiate the products ... as you point out, they all have a scripting language with automation capabilities, and so could be seen as "equal". However, if you are looking at doing something MORE than just firing off a windows EXE, like "enriching" the user experience when interacting with your multi-valued data (read GUI), actively reducing the amount of code required to perform a specific task, or even something as basic as tidying up your dictionaries, the divergence becomes more marked. Viságe is NOT a terminal emulator on steroids - it is a complete application development framework, designed specifically for multi-value databases. Rather than recoiling from the mv data model, we embrace it wholeheartedly and have done our best to enhance it. Viságe can radically reduce your development times for any new developments, and can leverage your existing assets (Basic Code, Database Designs, Queries etc) to re-invigorate (and add an appealing new face to) your existing applications in a startlingly short period of time - and it has a feature set that simply isn't provided by any other tool in this market place. For example, aligning this back to the original post, rather than attempting to use CR for reporting, I'd simply create a Viságe.BIT cube to give the users free-form enquiry and data exploration facilities into their UV database. In our case we have replaced >300 sales analysis reports currently provided in our R5 system with a single Sales Cube - and this is one of the facilities that makes Viságe "better" than AccuTerm ! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development (Footnote: Viságe started life as a "smart" Terminal Emulator MANY moons ago, and we still use & promote AccuTerm with our R5 application suite. >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 3:58 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports > >In a message dated 4/17/2004 10:21:26 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> AFIK, "Visage" offers users a GUI in a TOTAL WINDOWS LOOK AND >> FEEL/BROWSER environment, without having to do a "total rewrite", but a >> "rewrite" none the less, re-using some portions, perhaps, of existing >> code. "Visage" seems to be more than a user interface. It's also >> supposedly (sorry, Ross, I've got no experience in "Visage") a much less >> involved NEW development environment >> >> Other MV so-called "GUI" approaches, (AccuTerm and wIntegrate scripts, >for >> example) are offering the user a GUI with an almost-modern Windows look >and >> feel, but without the bells and whistles, and are offering a GUI by >> applying Band-Aids to existing code. I really don't think that's a >> "development environment".I don't think "new development" is covered >by >> this approach. > >What? How exactly do you get this? >A script is not an "almost modern Windows look and feel"... it is the look >and feel. >The script calls windows exectuables underneath it, thats how it works. >If a programmer chooses not to utilize all the various objects and methods >etc that Accuterm reveals, thats their own choice, not the fault of the >product. > >I'm not sure exactly how Visage is that much better than Accuterm in that >regard. >Are you? >Will >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
Embedded responses to (hopefully) add contextual reference >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Bruce Nichol >Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 3:20 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports > >Goo'day, > >At 10:17 18/04/04, Will replied to: > >>In a message dated 4/17/2004 4:16:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> >> > A key factor that makes CUI non-portable >> > to GUI is the embedded Input and Print statements in the code. >> >>I respectfully disagree that this is key. > >Aren't we forgetting what Ross (and others) offer in Visage (and >whatever)? AFIK, "Visage" offers users a GUI in a TOTAL WINDOWS LOOK AND >FEEL/BROWSER environment, without having to do a "total rewrite", but a >"rewrite" none the less, re-using some portions, perhaps, of existing >code. "Visage" seems to be more than a user interface. It's also >supposedly (sorry, Ross, I've got no experience in "Visage") a much less >involved NEW development environment [Ross Ferris] Coming FROM an mv environment, with an existing DB design and application code, I think you are right in saying that Viságe is "less involved", and simpler than people expect. As you would expect (hope?), it is ALL of the things that you DON'T HAVE TO DO that make developing in Viságe "fun", and easy - whole swags of code that you don't have to write (or copy) to extract information from related files, or to correctly update all of the multi-valued items in an association (including the new dict item you added 5 minutes ago) ... they not only add up, they MULTIPLY the benefits! > >Other MV so-called "GUI" approaches, (AccuTerm and wIntegrate scripts, for >example) are offering the user a GUI with an almost-modern Windows look and >feel, but without the bells and whistles, and are offering a GUI by >applying Band-Aids to existing code. I really don't think that's a >"development environment".I don't think "new development" is covered by >this approach. > >If we were all developing "new" applications, and we could afford it, I >reckon we would all jump at "Visage"... Or some such. > [Ross Ferris] Please line up & take a number :-) The key here may be can you afford NOT to use a tool like Visage ! We try & spin EVERY new development request into Viságe these days from our green screen client base - 1 less program we need to convert later, we end up with a nicer "look", and the customer likes what he sees so much, he is willing to fund conversion of existing screens, so the exercise is not only self funding, but profitable ! >I'd hazard a guess that the cost of "new" development in "Visage", together >with the cost of "Visage", would come out less (Ross??) than the cost of >the same level of development to the same level of "total" user interface >in our known MV Terminal Emulation environs. The per-user outgoing cost >of a MV TE capable of supporting the TE scripts (as opposed to the cost of >IE6!!) is, IMHO, the crippling factor, here. Especially in the larger >sites where everybody would be forced into using the "GUI-able" TE instead >of the lower-cost/freebie ones. [Ross Ferris] That would certainly be the case, especially when you also take into account the REDUCTION of DB licences required to support your user population ! (or for existing sites the ability to increase the effective user population, without a corresponding increase in DB licences). This is because Viságe uses web technology for data transport, and operates with a non-persistent connection model, so you are only "connected" to the backend database to do things like reading records, and executing server code. Our active dictionary & code reduction techniques mean that you can churn out programs in record time. Most people have their first GUI screens operating in under an hour (that includes product installation - most of this time is spent setting up dictionaries!) > >What we're all (all of us software developers, that is) trying to do is >maintain a "public acceptance" for our EXISTING software. Sales = Public >Acceptance.Ross is out in front with "Visage", right up there with >"Windows products", because he's been able to absorb the costs of >development over a period of time, developing "Visage" and >developing/redeveloping his applications using it as he goes. OK, he's >paid more for his version of "Visage" bu
RE: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 10:18 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports > > Then some of the validation (two field >interactions) should be relegated to the On.SUBMIT part of the program, >etc. FWIW you do NOT want to wait until SUBMIT ! In Visage, as soon as you have "all of the parts" of a multi-part key validation (2 or more) the validation is performed - and of course you don't have to write ANY code for this to happen (all part of our active code reduction technology :-) Likewise if you have cascading relationships like : Pick a Country & the State Box re-populates Pick a state and the Town Box re-populates Change the country & the State & Town boxes clear Are achieved without code . did I mention that we "extended" the dictionary structure, so that this sort of relationship is "visible" ? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: PI Open is going away
The one I was "introduced" to was using I types to enable processing a file in a single pass through. You would : LIST FILE WITH () I-type-dict The effect was that you would pass through the file once, apply the selection criteria, and if it "passed" you could then perform "transaction processing" within the I-type, which never actually returned a value. So, when you ran a benchmark against, say, an Ultimate, which was forced to : EXECUTE "SELECT FILE WITH ()" (or maybe this was done with a PROC - IIRC the Ultimate had a "PASSLIST" construct ?" THEN you would have to re-read the file & do the processing with something like OK = 1 LOOP READNEXT ID ELSE OK = 0 WHILE OK REPEAT The result, on a non-trivial file, more than compensated for the high order byte inversion under Information :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Clifton Oliver >Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 11:39 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: PI Open is going away > >Which "trick" was that? He had so many. > > >On Apr 17, 2004, at 15:08, Ross Ferris wrote: > >> Probably. Never knew the guy ... but I thought the "trick" was kinda >> neat, and I've still been known to use variants to this day :-) > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Tony Gravagno >Sent: Sunday, 18 April 2004 2:45 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports > >As an aside, pardon me for being so bold, but it's amazing that the >providers of these GUI products aren't jumping to pay people like me to >help >developers become viable candidates for their products. There's no >guarantee that any given site will adopt any given GUI product, if any, but >unless there are prospects there can be no new customers. It seems to me >it's worth it to "someone" to foster redevelopment like this. Well, that's >the MV market for ya... > >Tony [Ross Ferris] ?? Please refer to your email of March 23rd - If things have changed I'll get the guys from ACTi to give you a call :-) --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
A data warehouse of sales information, presented as a multiple-dimensional cube structure - there is a related viewer component (part of the standard Viságe.Designer) that enables you to interact with this cube. In our case we have 14 "dimensions", or things we are interested in relating to a sale - these things include "dimensions" for Salesman, Region, Customer & 8 levels of Product Categorization, as well as a dimension for "time". These dimensions can then be arranged (with a simple drag & drop operation) into ANY arbitrary order (some products require that you pre-define specific views of you cube, to minimise the resource requirement - but as soon as you want something "outside the square", you go SPLAT! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mark Johnson >Sent: Monday, 19 April 2004 5:49 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports > >Not to be out of touch, but what is a Sales Cube. I saw Swordfish and I >hope >that itn't it. > >Thanks. > >- Original Message - >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:20 PM >Subject: Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports > > >> In a message dated 4/18/2004 10:18:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >> >> > For example, aligning this back to the original post, rather than >attempting to use CR for reporting, I'd simply create a Viságe.BIT cube to >give the users free-form enquiry and data exploration facilities into their >UV database. In our case we have replaced >300 sales analysis reports >currently provided in our R5 system with a single Sales Cube - and this >is >one of the facilities that makes Viságe "better" than >> > AccuTerm ! >> >> Warning! Salesman quote! >> C'mon Ross :) A dataset that includes 50 fields and I only want to see 6 >on my report. So you replace that report with a cube where I (the user) >have to figure out exactly what I want to see, build the proper query >statement, format statement, display statement etc and then figure out how >to tell the system to remember my statement so next time I don't have to >THAT all again. >> >> You replaced the 300 reports, with one huge cube where you STILL have >users recreating (or trying to) their original 300 reports... >>Users don't want to see 50 fields, they want to see the 6 fields >they've been analyzing for the past 3 years ... >> Will >> -- >> u2-users mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
Will, Yes, we DO persist record locks, so a Visage application can happily co-exist with its green screen cohorts. I know that "everyone" says that this is impossible with a non-persistent application they are wrong ! Sorry, I'm not going to publish the code here :-) suffice to say that BECAUSE we have had the luxury of time to develop Viságe, we have overcome MANY problems that face this type of technology - and this isn't even the most difficult ! Many of our "competitors" have inherent problems with their approaches that I don't think even THEY know they have yet (sorry, I'm not going to give THEM a heads up either :-). One day they will go SPLAT, and find that they are going to have to take more than a few steps backwards (been there, done that), if not a TOTAL system re-tool 'tis the nature of the beast. As our "sales spiel" goes, one of the biggest advantages you get with Viságe is all of the mistakes we have made along the way. You are left with a "distillate" that is very "pure", efficient, and potent :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, 19 April 2004 5:22 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports > >In a message dated 4/18/2004 11:23:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> That would certainly be the case, especially when you also take into >account the REDUCTION of DB licences required to support your user >population ! (or for existing sites the ability to increase the effective >user population, without a corresponding increase in DB licences). >> >> This is because Viságe uses web technology for data transport, and >operates with a non-persistent connection model, so you are only >"connected" to the backend database to do things >> like reading records, and executing server code. > >Hold on here amigo. >Are you saying you do not persist record locks? >You know what I mean. >Explain how you do this. >Will >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
Note quite ! I still believe that there are 10 types of people in the world - users and developers ! So YOU, as a developer, would construct a cube with the 6 "key" fields that the user is interested in. You also get to do things like define an "opening" view of the information - AND also the query that is used to generate the cube (BTW, did I mention that Visage has a drag'n'drop query facility :-) A single cube design can be used with multiple queries - you save each of these as a combination, which REALLY defines the cube - so you don't have to "remember" your queries. Neither you, nor the user, need to worry about "format" statements, as this information will come directly from your dictionary (though there is an API that you can use if your database does "naughty" [with the benefit of historical hindsight] things). Just as each of your existing reports was stored as a "program" which you only wrote once (and modified/enhanced many times!), so with a data warehouse product (any/all of them) you only have to define these things once, and you can make enhancements as needed Obviously YMMV, and OLAP/DW/BI cubes will not solve EVERY problem - but our experience has been that they can certainly greatly enhance the user experience with what happens next ! (If you are interested, point your browser @ http://www.stamina.com.au/Products/Visage/Visage_BIT.htm, download the whitepaper & then "play" with the live demo. Left click on the "Department" at the top of the cube and drag it to the right of "Expense" - you now have expenses by department. Left click on "Department" again and drop on the left of "Expense" [near the margin] - you now have a departmental expense analysis, and not a "query" in sight. It is this "interactive" nature of a "cube" that adds value to the equation) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, 19 April 2004 5:20 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports > >In a message dated 4/18/2004 10:18:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> For example, aligning this back to the original post, rather than >attempting to use CR for reporting, I'd simply create a Viságe.BIT cube to >give the users free-form enquiry and data exploration facilities into their >UV database. In our case we have replaced >300 sales analysis reports >currently provided in our R5 system with a single Sales Cube - and this >is one of the facilities that makes Viságe "better" than >> AccuTerm ! > >Warning! Salesman quote! >C'mon Ross :) A dataset that includes 50 fields and I only want to see 6 on >my report. So you replace that report with a cube where I (the user) have >to figure out exactly what I want to see, build the proper query statement, >format statement, display statement etc and then figure out how to tell the >system to remember my statement so next time I don't have to THAT all >again. > >You replaced the 300 reports, with one huge cube where you STILL have users >recreating (or trying to) their original 300 reports... > Users don't want to see 50 fields, they want to see the 6 fields they've >been analyzing for the past 3 years ... >Will >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
The reason why you need that special view (20L vs 12L) is because you are constrained by your 132 column printer (or 240 cols). As a cube uses the screen as it's canvas, which has a scroll bar, you can just SCROLL across or simply "shrink" the column display width (just like in Excel) This also avoids having dictionaries "cluttered" with (what I would call) redundant definitions Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, 19 April 2004 2:00 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports > >In a message dated 4/18/2004 9:46:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> Neither you, nor the user, need to worry about "format" statements, as >this information will come directly from your dictionary (though there is >an API that you can use if your database does "naughty" [with the benefit >of historical >> hindsight] things). > >Ross c'mon :) >Do you really believe that a mature application uses one field in exactly >ONE format? I have report sets that use a single field with five different >formats. So being an old-school kind of person, I create five different >DICT items. Nowadays people might use FORMAT statements on the command >line but hey different strokes. > >The point being that a single cube cannot know every possible format that a >single piece of data needs. Unless you want to sit down and reformat a >report that is utilizing every possible character on a 132 char wide >printout so it can use the 20L justification instead of the 13L "short >description" field I had to create... then no. > >I Still have to create a special view. >Will >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mark Johnson >Sent: Monday, 19 April 2004 2:07 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports > >Thanks Dawn! You have enlightened me in quite a few ways. > > >BTW, the most extreme example of a multi-part primary key that I've ever >seen was for a security monitoring client. It looked like this: > >ACCOUNT-RECEIVER-DATE-TIME-ZONE-SIGNAL-INCIDENTNUMBER > This key then corresponds to 7 dimensions, and the overall approach is classified as "ROLAP" (see http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid13_gci214582,00.html) The "fun" starts with ROLAP when you need a query that was, say, ACCOUNT-RECEIVER-ZONE-DATE-TIME-SIGNAL-INCIDENTNUMBER or DATE-TIME-ZONE-SIGNAL-INCIDENTNUMBER-ACCOUNT-RECEIVER, as these would correspond to different key structures. If my math memory serves me correctly, for you to be able to keep EVERY possible combination you need to have 2^7 = 128 'summary' records for each source transaction. Increase your dimensions to 14, and you end up with 16,384 - you had better have lots of storage & time on your hands. Short of reducing the number of dimensions to a subset of pre-defined views, one solution to this problem is MOLAP (http://searchdatabase.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid13_gci882493,00.html) but I fear I'm getting WAY to far OT here --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
You are right - there are no silver bullets, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water [I will not go into the sordid history of this one], and some degree of effort is required to embrace anything that is new [and I'll exit the thread there before I get spanked by Clif :-] Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Monday, 19 April 2004 1:57 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports > >In a message dated 4/18/2004 9:46:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >> So YOU, as a developer, would construct a cube with the 6 "key" fields >that the user is interested in. You also get to do things like define an >"opening" view of the information - AND also the query that is used to >generate the cube (BTW, did >> I mention that Visage has a drag'n'drop query facility :-) > >I don't think you understood me. There isn't "the user" and there isn't "6 >key fields". There are 500 reports, some have three fields, some have >twelve fields. The entire data set of reports in total utilizes 50 >different numeric or date fields. > >So no I wouldn't create a cube with 6 fields. I would create a cube with >50 fields and create 500 views into it.. or your software would have to >allow users to easily create and save their own views. > >The point being that it's not a magic bullet. I or they STILL have to >create those 500 views ... >Will >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Dawn, Citrix Server would break DLG (Dawn's Law of GUI) rule 4 anyway, as you would need to pre-install Citrix client software on most platforms. BTW Dawn, do you have a mathematic proof of DLG ? Just wondering, 'cause just like the "Great Date Debate", many may be happy to 'bend' these rules because they don't apply to the environment they use ? For example, Citrix has MANY other advantages, especially in larger organizations, when it comes to issues like securing the desktop, and centralized updates etc. In Wyatt's case, he can simply install SmartTerm (oops, Windows only product, breaks rule 1 - hmm, but with Citrix his client 'can' be a Mac ?!!? Your "proof" could be 'interesting' ?!?!) onto his Server, and it then requires no pre-installation. He can have a link on a web page to download the Citrix client software does this 'break' your 'rules', or does it fit ? Of course Citrix Server/Terminal Server has an important place in larger enterprises, addressing issues like security, desktop lockdown, patch/update management, software distribution etc - which transcend DLG Also with your "rule revision" below, as with the original DLG, you still haven't included the "J" word, which I believe is an implicit (and understood) requirement for DLG !?! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 5:14 AM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based > >Ah, I should add or modify one of the requirements -- when I indicated that >there needs to be no setup on the client, I should put that in the "client >tier" and consider citrix servers to be application clients, of sorts. So, >for my purposes (though not for everyone), a citrix server is not an >option. > >1. Client Tier (no setup) >2. Http Server Tier (could include app server, such as tomcat or EJB >container such as Eclipse or WebSphere) >3. Database Server Tier > >I'll clarify the requirements to add "no more tiers". > >--dawn > >Dawn M. Wolthuis >Tincat Group, Inc. >www.tincat-group.com > >Take and give some delight today. > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Buffington, Wyatt >Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:57 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based > >We have been using a product called SmarTerm from Esker. It allows us to >displays screen close to GUI that is easily configureable by the end >user with little to no programming. It allows for HotSpots which appear >as a button on the screen which the user can click on. Buttons are a >list of things that a user can do that are mundane or repetitive, these >can save wear and tear on the old fingers. It has a GUI pop up calendar >that can be invoked from the host and the date returned back to the >host. The user can change the colors on the screen to match their >preferences. Email addresses and http links are highlighted differently >and can be clickable. You can create you our macros that can be run from >a Button. We use triggers to change our screen colors depending on which >account we are in. > >If anyone is interested in a screen shot of what can be done. Email me >offline at >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >We are currently using Version 11.0.5 on both PCs and Citrix Servers. I >am also in the process of testing 12.1 Beta. > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Mark Johnson >Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:45 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > > >Dawn: Good luck in your search for this holy grail. Lemme know if such a >silver bullet is found. > >I've been hunting for years. > >Mark Johnson > > Original Message - >From: "Dawn M. Wolthuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:17 PM >Subject: GUI as nice as character-based > > >I haven't gotten through all of the postings in the GUI thread as yet, >but am working on the question of how to write a GUI that is as good as >a "green screen" from the perspective of folks currently using a green >screen application. I saw hints at that, but nothing that tackled it >from the standpoint of being able to use any tools on the market today >to accomplish this (no need to retain databasic code, for example). > >What could be used to actually replace, completely
RE: UV Crash on W2K3
Sounds like a good find Sara - any of that midnight oil left :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Sara Burns >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 10:23 AM >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' >Subject: UV Crash on W2K3 > >After extensive effort, creating an example to send to IBM we believe we >have found the problem. > >One of our files had a trigger. Due to this the big/little endian >conversion, using CONVERT.FORMAT did not seem to completely work. However >this was not obvious. We thought we had reconverted all files with >triggers, but maybe we missed this one. > >The following commands worked without obvious problems. > >uvbackup >COUNT BAD.FILE >CT BAD.FILE * >LIST BAD.FILE >SORT BAD.FILE > >However FILE.STAT BAD.FILE failed with a message, but did not terminate the >session. > >uvfixfile did not appear to do anything. No error, just nothing. > >ACCOUNT.FILE.STATS worked without obvious error but the output in STAT.FILE >showed incomplete information. > >The result of this was that basic programs failed intermittently which made >this very, very difficult to track down. > >I will be raising this with IBM as I believe it is a bug. > >Sara Burns (SEB) >Development Team Leader >Public Trust >Phone: +64 (04) 474-3841 (DDI) >Mobile: 027 457 5974 ><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Information contained in this communication is confidential. If you are not >the intended recipient the information should not be used, disclosed, >copied >or commercialised. The information is not necessarily the views nor the >official communication of Public Trust. No guarantee or representation is >made that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Anyone up for a little "straw poll" ? A recurrent theme that I see played out in this & related forums is the "well, does it run on MAC or Linux on the Desktop" question. Often, when asked, the people that raised the issue don't have either platform in their installation - it is merely a standard question that they feel compelled to ask ?!? Maybe it is just me - I don't live in the "big smoke" - but (to date) I simply haven't seen any significant demand for workstation support (GUI or CUI) outside of windows. SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are - I mean theory is one thing, but how do the numbers stack up in the real world? How many people are there that actually do use, or WANT to use (I'm talking management want here, not the "gee, if I had my way" kind of thing) non-windows platforms on the desktop ?. I'm happy to kick it off. Of the (application) systems that we have installed over the years, discounting green screens, we have deployed to probably around 1,500 "workstation" devices --> all Windows (even back as far as 3.11) I've had the "Mac" option raised twice - I remember each one clearly ! Once at a printers (who are 'big' MAC users traditionally) for 3 devices, and once at a distribution company where the owner had a MAC at home he wanted to use remotely that's it - potential market 4 out of around 1,500. Any other takers ? I need to point out that I'm not LOOKING for exceptions, merely the "state of the desktop", so if you only have Wintel desktops, please step up & be counted - and if there is a vast ocean of "hidden" MAC and Linux desktops out there, please identify yourself Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >> >>1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
> >I also think the world is crying out for a cross platform application >browesr (same idea as a web browser, but for running applications defined >using XML and downloaded from a server. Not designed for browsing websites >and hence with different security requirements (and permission to do more >things on the client)). > Perhaps you need to look at XAML/Avalon, which will be part of Windows "Longhorn" by the time it BYTES, the various opensource CLT projects should be up & away, and you may have your path. We've started to "play" with this as part of the overall evolutionary path of our product (Clif won't let me mention Viságe unless I put an [AD] in the subject) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Craig Bennett >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:32 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > >Dawn, > >how blue sky are we talking? > >I am hugely impressed with wxWidgets (http://www.wxwidgets.org) a C++ GUI >framework for developing applications on Windows, X, Mac, OS/2. > >I also think the world is crying out for a cross platform application >browesr (same idea as a web browser, but for running applications defined >using XML and downloaded from a server. Not designed for browsing websites >and hence with different security requirements (and permission to do more >things on the client)). > >Want to colaborate to write one with wxWidgets? :) > >This does violate your rule about zero install, but I can't think of a real >zero install technology ... once you consider web browser dependencies, >java >dependencies, flash player dependencies, citrix dependencies, terminal >emulation dependencies etc there is always *something* you need to have or >fiddle with on the client (otherwise we'd all be shipping PCs with no O/S >installed). > > >Craig > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
H, That could exclude Java, as I don't think the JVM ships these days with XP, does it ? Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 1:57 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > >In a message dated 4/19/2004 6:36:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> This does violate your rule about zero install, but I can't think of a >real >> zero install technology ... once you consider web browser dependencies, >java >> dependencies, flash player dependencies, citrix dependencies, terminal >> emulation dependencies etc there is always *something* you need to have >or >> fiddle with on the client (otherwise we'd all be shipping PCs with no O/S >> installed). >> >> >> Craig > >You can't really have a zero client footprint. I'd rephrase Dawn's >statement >to say that perhaps you are using client software that "the average person >would ALREADY have installed" such as a browser, a jpg viewer, a mp3 >player, >etc. >Will >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
My understanding of XAML is that it is an open standard (or moving in that direction) . and I wouldn't be surprised if part of the recent "agreement" between M$ & $un didn't pan out to be the adoption of XAML as a universal representation for the GUI (XAML = Extensible Application Markup Language) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Craig Bennett >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 3:12 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > >>Perhaps you need to look at XAML/Avalon, which will be part of Windows >"Longhorn" by the time it >BYTES, the various opensource CLT projects >should be up & away, and you may have your path. > >But Ross, that gives me no more advantages than using IE6 in the context of >Dawn's question (although I can see how an application vendor tied hard to >windows might feel a little defensive about criteria 1 :) > >All our desktops at work and at clients are wintel (I run Slackware at >home). > >Nevertheless, the thrust of you argument (and presumable the intended point >of your straw poll) is not necessarily correct -- just because windows has >vast market domination now, it does not follow that this will remain the >case: just ask WordPerfect and Lotus (or DOS devotees or dumb terminal >vendors or Eudora users or Netscape shareholders or vb6 developers). > > >Craig > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Any objection to me chasing that small 95% portion of the market in the meantime ? I figure I've been in the "winning 5%" end of the niche for too long :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Craig Bennett >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 4:14 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > >>> just ask WordPerfect and Lotus (or DOS devotees or dumb terminal >>>vendors or Eudora users or Netscape shareholders or vb6 developers). >> >>And, just what's wrong with these things?They're still available. >And >>work And are used. > >Not a thing Bruce I wasn't suggesting there was. But there was a time when >Lotus and Wordperfect where the behemoths which Excel and Word struggled to >catch. > >I was hoping Ross would recognise the possiblity that Windows might go the >same way despite current market domination. > > >Craig > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Strangely enough, one of the early iterations of our product was implemented in Delphi even today that is what the middleware layer is written in. Have had a play with Macromedia to - you CAN do some nifty stuff with the latest MX stuff, BUT I believe there are a few (non-trivial) obstacles that would need to be overcome - but the scripting IS powerful ! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Brian Leach >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 9:22 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based > >>>I was hoping Ross would recognise the possiblity that Windows might go >the >same way despite current market domination. > >So write your clients in Delphi - > >Delphi for Windows native >Delphi for .Net >Delphi (Kylix) for Linux >and D2J - produces Java bytecode from Delphi. > > >Or if you want browser based cross platform - is anyone on the list using >Macromedia flash to talk to U2 through web services? I haven't had the >chance to experiment with that yet :-( but AFAIK flash is available as a >plug in on Windows, Linux and Mac and it should be possible to do some >pretty good interactive stuff using that combination ... > > >Brian > > > > >This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar >malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. > >DISCLAIMER > >This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be >privileged. > >If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender >immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other >person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. > >In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please >contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Microgen Information Management Solutions >http://www.microgen.co.uk >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Depends on How/What/Where the GUI takes place - if you did GUI via, say, VB or Java, the application could be local on the workstation - transmission time could be next to nothing for the actual GUI - depends a LOT on the overall architecture employed If you were using, say, HTML via a web server, 1st time hit could be 50+ times greater as you suggest ON YOUR FIRST VISIT --> with caching, 2nd & subsequent could be just a cache check, which would easily be on a par (or less) that character mode. If you were doing "thin client" via Citrix/TerminalServer, then you have a constant "chatter level" of 1-5Kb/sec, even if you are doing nothing! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Schalk van Zyl >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 8:52 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > >Dawn and all, > >Another aspect of GUI, which we sure have to consider, is data >communication lines. >Our operation is spread over 1000 kilometres, and sending GUI screens back >and forth will certainly clog our lines. Except when you make use of local >intelligence. The volume of data sent to paint a GUI screen must certainly >be a factor of 50 more than with CUI. (?) > >Schalk > >On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:02:31 +0100, Brian Leach ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> To go back to Dawn's original post - >> >> Dawn, >> >> I've been writing GUI applications for UniVerse for about 15 years now. >> Some >> have worked, some have - well - been learning experiences. >> >> You shouldn't really compare GUI and character based. Why? Because then >> you >> inevitably start to think of the GUI in character based terms - the >> arrangement of controls on a form, or the addition of some buttons. >> That's >> my main beef with 'intelligent' terminals - they obscure the real >> picture. >> >> GUI is not about what you put on the screen. It's about the flow of >> information, and how that flow best suits the application in question. >> Data >> entry is part of that flow, but only part: character based is good for >> some >> data entry and for administration, but a good application is also about >> navigation, culture and the ease of finding information again. >> >> Here are two very different examples: >> >> I did a freight forwarding package for a company that previously was >> entirely paper based. They took a - let's say "flexible" - approach to >> rules, validations, pricing, descriptions etc - and wanted to keep that. >> Providing a traditional system, with a nailed down design and entry >> screens >> just wouldn't work for them. In fact I tried that first as a prototype, >> and >> it didn't. Not in their culture. >> So I designed a system that worked the same way as their forms. Every >> page >> matched the standard forms they used, except that information >> automatically >> infilled, was sent to their billing systems, collated to their work flow >> for >> follow ups and diarising etc ... But all invisibly. What they 'saw' were >> the >> forms they had used throughout. Even the validation was fairly soft, and >> consisted mainly of highlighting things that were suspect. Annoying >> popups >> were kept to an absolute minimum, text and codes expanded directly from >> typing, and generally the whole thing designed to look and feel as >> unobtrusive as possible: nothing to interrupt their work flow. I couldn't >> have done that with a character based system because it couldn't have >> represented the compexity of some of the forms (try doing an airway bill >> or >> customs declaration form and you'll see what I mean). >> >> As a more traditional example, I have a project management system that I >> both designed and use. This is based on drill down principles, allowing >> me >> to track projects, modules, scheduled and tasks. Here the advantage of a >> GUI >> is persistence and workflow: because a GUI allows me to have multiple >> windows open modelessly, I can track down from the projects or work lists >> into the individual tasks whilst keeping the lists (heirarchically >> arranged) >> still visible, so I don't have to keep closing down windows or >> reselecting: >> generally much more efficient. I can also display more, since most of the >> time I am interested in viewing information rather than changing it -
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Jon, The ".edu" may say it all, as this is a market we don’t operate in, and I understand that many on this list do. I wonder if the same would be true in the ".mil" or even ".gov" space ? I think Brian gave a reasonable insight into the different "mindset" required for GUI. I imagine that your Vendor may have taken a 'minimalist' approach to their "GUI Migration(?)", I'm suspicious of any technique/product that tries to drive CUI & GUI at the same time UNLESS the "GUI" implementation can be independently 'tweaked' & optimised - which means that you really end up with 2 development streams. Perhaps it is just that we couldn't master this :-), but back when was a FAT TE, OUR GUI results were so obviously NOT windows that the product never made it out the door ! You said you had 30% Macs - can you tell me how many devices this is, and are other 70% Wintel ? Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Jon Wells >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 10:47 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) > >Ross, > >We do have Mac's here, around 30%. We have some Linux desktops as >well. We even have at least one Mac with Linux loaded. Currently our >Mac's run Comet to telnet into our system. The GUI our vendor expects us >to use is Wintegrate based. It is absolutely terrible for heads down data >entry and it does not work on Mac's. The interface that H & R Block has >uses standard heads down keystrokes, handles type-ahead well, while >enjoying the benefits of a GUI. The contrast to our GUI is, well... I'm >jealous. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
It's not a "performance" issue, so much as the UI itself. I don’t believe that you can automatically 'translate' from 24 x 80 to GUI and end up with a "reasonable" result of necessity it may look 'screen scraped', UNLESS the GUI UI is "tweaked" Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Debster >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:39 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) > >dunno about thatThere are many that can flip based on the users profile >and as long as the underlying code is written to accomodate it I have never >seen a problem in performance > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
No, 'Thin client' by most definitions I've seen would imply 'no need to install any additional software' examples of 2 'thin' client implementations would be Citrix, and a browser based application. A "fat client" requires 'lots of stuff' - exe's, jar's etc - to be shipped to the client Contrast this to Citrix (where the only thing transmitted to the client is screen update images, as the "code" actually executes on the Citrix box) or Browser (a relatively small "page" is sent) Also see maybe http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/t/thin_client.html Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mark Johnson >Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2004 12:18 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > >Isn't that what thin clients are for? To hold the app on the client end and >only convey data. >- Original Message - >From: "Schalk van Zyl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "U2 Users Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:51 AM >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > > >> Dawn and all, >> >> Another aspect of GUI, which we sure have to consider, is data >> communication lines. >> Our operation is spread over 1000 kilometres, and sending GUI screens >back >> and forth will certainly clog our lines. Except when you make use of >local >> intelligence. The volume of data sent to paint a GUI screen must >certainly >> be a factor of 50 more than with CUI. (?) >> >> Schalk >> >> On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 11:02:31 +0100, Brian Leach >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > To go back to Dawn's original post - >> > >> > Dawn, >> > >> > I've been writing GUI applications for UniVerse for about 15 years now. >> > Some >> > have worked, some have - well - been learning experiences. >> > >> > You shouldn't really compare GUI and character based. Why? Because then >> > you >> > inevitably start to think of the GUI in character based terms - the >> > arrangement of controls on a form, or the addition of some buttons. >> > That's >> > my main beef with 'intelligent' terminals - they obscure the real >> > picture. >> > >> > GUI is not about what you put on the screen. It's about the flow of >> > information, and how that flow best suits the application in question. >> > Data >> > entry is part of that flow, but only part: character based is good for >> > some >> > data entry and for administration, but a good application is also about >> > navigation, culture and the ease of finding information again. >> > >> > Here are two very different examples: >> > >> > I did a freight forwarding package for a company that previously was >> > entirely paper based. They took a - let's say "flexible" - approach to >> > rules, validations, pricing, descriptions etc - and wanted to keep >that. >> > Providing a traditional system, with a nailed down design and entry >> > screens >> > just wouldn't work for them. In fact I tried that first as a prototype, >> > and >> > it didn't. Not in their culture. >> > So I designed a system that worked the same way as their forms. Every >> > page >> > matched the standard forms they used, except that information >> > automatically >> > infilled, was sent to their billing systems, collated to their work >flow >> > for >> > follow ups and diarising etc ... But all invisibly. What they 'saw' >were >> > the >> > forms they had used throughout. Even the validation was fairly soft, >and >> > consisted mainly of highlighting things that were suspect. Annoying >> > popups >> > were kept to an absolute minimum, text and codes expanded directly from >> > typing, and generally the whole thing designed to look and feel as >> > unobtrusive as possible: nothing to interrupt their work flow. I >couldn't >> > have done that with a character based system because it couldn't have >> > represented the compexity of some of the forms (try doing an airway >bill >> > or >> > customs declaration form and you'll see what I mean). >> > >> > As a more traditional example, I have a project management system th
RE: GUI as nice as character-based
Ap0logies if I did mis-type - should have been CLR as others have pointed out, for the Common Language Runtime ... same concept as Java & "our" Basic ... now if IBM were to introduce a compiler for CLR ? Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Craig Bennett >Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2004 9:20 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based > >Robert, > >>> >Perhaps you need to look at XAML/Avalon, which will be part of Windows >>>"Longhorn" by the time it >BYTES, the various opensource CLT >projects >>>should be up & away, and you may have your path. >> >>Sorry for the ignorance, but what is CLT? > >I don't know either, you'd have to ask Ross. > > >Craig > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How far can U2 scale?
I would imagine in any of the scenarios that has been given, if some form of "local" (client side) intelligence is employed, coupled with a non-persistent connection scheme to the central database, that the numbers that have been quoted here (2-10,000) could easily be multiplied by a factor of 5-10 . but of course you may hit the wall in terms of saleability of web servers (web farms), network topology & infrastructure etc. I think it would be fair to say, within the parameters that others have outlined (massively large databases vs. massively large user populations) that there are no practical limits to mv scalability. I recall hearing a story about when Tim Holland migrated Pick Open Architecture to the Sequoia machine. Similar concerns were raised about the saleability of "pick", but it soon became obvious that it was the underlying Unix that would be "pushed" Given the historic position that mv allows you to do more with less, I don't think we should be too surprised by this. Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Ray Wurlod >Sent: Saturday, 24 April 2004 9:05 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: How far can U2 scale? > >There are quite a few sites running upwards of 2000 users in my region >(Asia Pacific). The model is many small users (such as insurance brokers, >accountants, tax agents, etc.) having dial-in access. One site is licensed >for 3300 users, and sustains a load over 3000 users most of the day with >acceptable response metrics. Strictly two tier (one tier really). > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: How far can U2 scale?
So, assuming the Spirit was a 1x machine (I seem to recall a small DEC 1400 (?) being a 2x - sooo many years) if the spirit could complete 10,000 "transactions" in a quanta of time, and the new machine finishes the same task (approximating real world environment) in some fraction of this time, then it should be fairly straight forward to work out the X rating. I seem to recall that the "omnipresent" CUBS benchmark was trying to achieve the same thing . they may even have some old benchmarks from a known "X rating" machine, allowing an approximation of modern equipment to be made --> not that I think anyone really cares these days, as X tends to be sufficiently large ! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Sunday, 25 April 2004 2:34 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: How far can U2 scale? > >In a message dated 4/24/2004 2:32:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > >> Again, what would an 'x' be in MHZ. Or for that fact, what would a MCD >> spirit 600 be. One of my clients still has one and I could reference it >> against some of my 2.4Ghz D3 clients. > >There is no comparison because the 'X' was a measurement of the transaction >speed, not the clock speed. There are several layers between clock speed >and >transaction speed. Ted was trying to measure the real-world, business >needs as >opposed to the propeller-head ones which MHZ measures :) >My own 2 cents and a pickle. >Will >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.665 / Virus Database: 428 - Release Date: 21/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Problem reactivating select list
Why not write a little paragraph that does the select, then ED, which you execute ? Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of John Hester >Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 9:12 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: [UV] Problem reactivating select list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> >> John what is wrong with this approach >> loop >>readnext id else done = true >> until done do >>list<-1> = id >> repeat >> select list to mylist >> loop >>readnext id else done = true >> until done do >>execute "ed ":file:" ":id >> repeat >> >> then before, after, between the two loops you can do whatever you wanted >to do >> Will > >That's close to what I did originally. The problem is that ED needs to >think that it is reading from a select list for the "X" command to work. > If I process the select list outside of ED, ED thinks it is working >against a single item and the only way you can exit the middle of a list >is with . > >-John > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 23/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 23/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: D3 - Universe
You MIGHT be able to use ODBC from UV, but ODBC with D3 has never been "great" - depending on volumes, there is always OSFI (on D3) being mapped to a UV type 19 file ? Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Barry Brooks >Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2004 8:59 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: D3 - Universe > >Hi everyone > >I have a client who is running D3 and Universe on seperate servers. They >wish to be able to directly access D3 files from Universe. Does anyone >know the best (or any) way to do this. >D3 and Universe are running on Linux Redhat 9. > >Barry Brooks >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 23/04/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.667 / Virus Database: 429 - Release Date: 23/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Document scan and retrieval (looking for software)
Title: RE: Document scan and retrieval (looking for software) FWIW this is an integral component of our Visage product – simply drop a scanner element on a form & you are in business (provided you have a PC with a scanner or Camera or other TWAIN device that is!). Simple matter to then have your indexing inside UV, and store the actual image in “web space” – can also drop a file element to allow arbitrary capture/loading of any file. Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell, Stewart Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 12:39 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List (E-mail) Subject: Document scan and retrieval (looking for software) Hi All, Does anyone know of any products available for document scanning and retrieval with interfaces for Universe. Or any products that have a reasonable API so we can create our own interface. Regards, Stewart Mitchell Manager, Core Distribution Systems Mayne Pharmacy Services IT mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 << File: ATT23548.txt >> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 ___ u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Document scan and retrieval (looking for software)
Title: RE: Document scan and retrieval (looking for software) You could of course simply save the file into a directory that is also a type 1/19 file to UV – I suppose it depends on the number of images involved, as a directory search will slow down, and yet ….. Might be interesting to find out WHERE in the business process Stewart was looking at deploying this ? Obviously HOW you approach the problem will vary depending on volumes. If this was for a Proof of Delivery System (PODS), or maybe for incoming invoices/documents the volumes would be quite high, and the process would need to be as efficient as possible. There may be other areas where the volumes are very low (though the value of the image to the business is high), and the relatively small overhead of using PCPaint as you suggest & then doing a Save As may not be too great an impost. Ross FerrisStamina SoftwareVisage – an Evolution in Software Development From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Wednesday, 4 February 2004 5:22 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: Document scan and retrieval (looking for software) another less integrated option (sorry if it was said before, I didn't catch the beginning of the thread). Use whatever method to scan/import as a bmp/jpg. Base64 encode the file, and store it in UV. Then Uncode the file, save it's original extension, and launch IE with that filename for display If this is running under windows, you could pull from UV encoded, decode, save to \Temporary_files and Execute IE, all from a program. I don't know if PCpaint can import an image from a source other than a file, I know one of my image manipulation software packages that came with an old digital camera (I think's it's by Adobe) will allow me to import from my scanner, or camera, or file. George -Original Message- From: Keith Upton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 1:03 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Document scan and retrieval (looking for software) We use 1Mage (www.1mage.com) and amass for the optical jukebox -Original Message- From: Lloyd Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 February 2004 17:54 To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: Document scan and retrieval (looking for software) TRY COMPASSCS.COM. I USE THEM AND THEY HAVE A GREAT PRODUCT. INTEGRATED IN UNIVERSE ALSO From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:28 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Document scan and retrieval (looking for software) FWIW this is an integral component of our Visage product - simply drop a scanner element on a form & you are in business (provided you have a PC with a scanner or Camera or other TWAIN device that is!). Simple matter to then have your indexing inside UV, and store the actual image in "web space" - can also drop a file element to allow arbitrary capture/loading of any file. Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mitchell, Stewart Sent: Tuesday, 3 February 2004 12:39 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List (E-mail) Subject: Document scan and retrieval (looking for software) Hi All, Does anyone know of any products available for document scanning and retrieval with interfaces for Universe. Or any products that have a reasonable API so we can create our own interface. Regards, Stewart Mitchell Manager, Core Distribution Systems Mayne Pharmacy Services IT mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 << File: ATT23548.txt >> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.576 / Virus Database: 365 - Release Date: 30/01/2004 This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the addressee only. If you have received this message in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose the contents; please notify the sender immediately and delete the message. This message is attributed to the sender and may not necessarily reflect the view of Travis Perkins plc or its subsidiaries (Travis Perkins). Agreements binding Travis Perkins may not be concluded by means of e-mail communication. E-mail transmissions are not secure and Travis Perkins accepts no responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst steps have been taken to ensure that this message is virus free, Travis Perkins accepts no liability for infection and recommends that you s
RE: Real Time Data Warehouse
Tom, Just for some more background here is the real reason you are having to go through the ETL is so that the users can "play" with your data using 'standard' BI tools like Cognos against the SQL database ? Also, what USE is the information going to be put to ?! I remember one of the "classic tales" of a sales manager, CFO & CEO turning up @ a meeting at midday with their figures extracted from their real-time BI tool. The sales manager got his extract @ 10am, the CFO @ 11am, and the CEO was handed his take as he walked in at midday --> and of course none of the figures reconciled. Cutting to the chase (in the version of the story I heard), the company stepped back from real-time for "big picture" stuff - and only used near real time for daily performance review. Just curious .. your answer will impact your solution - but of course things will mature over time to if this is currently simply a 'me too' exercise, though hopefully there are some well considered objectives in mind. Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Dawn M. Wolthuis >Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2004 3:30 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: Real Time Data Warehouse > >Another possible name for a real-time data warehouse is Operational Data >Store (ODS). You will want a really good handle on the requirements for >this. I have worked in this arena with U2 for almost a decade. There are >many possibilities, but the biggest bang for the buck from my perspective >is >still to have users grab data from U2, where the data "thinks" like they >do. > > >Setting up to be able to populate spreadsheets from whatever is extracted, >for example, is much easier than taking data from a non-1NF database that >is >quite easily understood by end-users and normalizing it only to find that >users are then trying to second guess how the data looks in the new >database >and figuring out how to regroup it for a report. > >Using Cedarville's DOWNLOAD utility (you would want to wrap it for the >end-user) or the www.entrinsik.com Informer tool from a web browser would >let the user think intuitively to extract current data (without need for an >ODS) and THEN populate a spreadsheet with the result. > >Any approach to actually porting data to SQL Server, for example, sounds so >small and innocent until two years down the line you add up the costs of >hardware, software, training for users and IT, on-going support, etc and >find that it was a much bigger expense than anyone estimated up front. > >Just my two cents. Best wishes! --dawn > >Dawn M. Wolthuis >Tincat Group, Inc. >www.tincat-group.com > >Take and give some delight today. > > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 6/02/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 6/02/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Batch Mode Scanners
Hmmm - batch mode why not go real-time online ? For a low cost alternative, I'd check out Worth Data (aka Worthington Data Systems) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Karl L Pearson >Sent: Tuesday, 10 February 2004 5:02 AM >To: u2-users >Subject: Batch Mode Scanners > >Background info: > >We are considering the purchase of some type of handheld scanner that >will save our outside sales force the paper-pencil solutions they are >currently using. > >Our idea is to have them enter a customer account number, then scan >barcodes affixed to bins where our product is kept, then enter a number >which represents an inventory adjustment. > >When they get back to their desk, they would plug the scanner in and hit >a key and the data would be read off the scanner and processed by our >business application. > >question for the list: > >What types of products are available which are easily setup and don't >cost a first born child. The ones I've been familiar with in the past >are Telxon and Intermec, but for real-time telnet connectivity we use >Symbol (PDT3146us) technology. > >Any quick responses that point me in the right direction will be greatly >appreciated. > >-- >Karl L. Pearson >Director of IT, >ATS Industrial Supply >Direct: 801-978-4429 >Toll-free: 888-972-3182 x29 >Fax: 801-972-3888 >http://www.atsindustrial.com >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 6/02/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.580 / Virus Database: 367 - Release Date: 6/02/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] How much do you pay for support each year?
As others have responded, UV support is a GOOD idea - and a relatively cheap "no brainer" option. If you don't want to get ongoing support from your hardware vendor (somewhat understandable), why not approach your software vendor, or IBM directly, as these 2 parties probably have a more active interest in "keeping you online" Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of jimmay h >Sent: Friday, 20 February 2004 11:05 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [UV] How much do you pay for support each year? > >Our VAR just sent our UniVerse support bill for next year. We are running >UniVerse 10.0.0.1 on Windows 2000 Sever. >It is $72/user license. With 60 licenses, that is $4320, plus the windows >support at 865.00. > >We used them for some support over the year, but mostly it was related to >their installation of UV on the server prior to shipping it to us. We're >located on the west coast and their support was in the east coast of the >US. > So, sometimes their support was slow in responding. > >They are not our software vendor, they just sold us the server and >UniVerse. > >What are my options? >Can we purchase support directly from IBM? > >Any ideas? > >_ >Click, drag and drop. My MSN is the simple way to design your homepage. >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20/02/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 20/02/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Uniobjects & Asp
Rudy, The short answer is that I don't think YOU can make it thread safe - this is something IBM would have to do - UNLESS you wrote a wrapper that forced single threading (which sort of defeats the purpose) Would something like RedBack provide an adequate alternate solution for you? (Could also use 2/3 of our Visage stack to work with ASP if you REALLY wanted to, but you then loose "nice" things like dictionary aware drag & drop designer) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Nick Southwell >Sent: Friday, 27 February 2004 10:08 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: Uniobjects & Asp > >No. Let me try and prevent the pain I had to go through. > >We avoided Uniobjects because by design its use is for client/server >And it doesn't handle multiple concurrent requests. Knowing this >We used UniOLEDB and it turned out to have concurrency issues as well >whereby the driver threads correctly but the unirpc service queues >All requests and processes them serially. On a simple >Query 1 user takes 5 seconds and if 2 users hit the page they both take >9 to 10 seconds and so on. Our backend is Unidata 5.2 so it may be >different >for universe but please, please do some concurrency testing before you >Embark on any project. We have had to rewrite totally with Raining >Data's >Pick Data provider. > >Cheers > >Nick > >-Original Message- >From: Cooper, Rudy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: 26 February 2004 21:46 >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Uniobjects & Asp > > >Hello Everyone, > >I have a requirement to use Asp with Uniobjects. Our OS is W2K and the >backend is UV 10.0.10. I was thinking about creating ActiveX Dll's in >VB6 that would do things like create a UV session, instantiate subr >object, etc. I read in the u2-users list archive something to the >effect of Uniobjects not being thread safe. Does that still hold true ? >If so how do you make it thread safe ? > >thx, > >rudy > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > >This correspondence is confidential and is solely for the intended >recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you must not use, >disclose, copy, distribute or retain this message or any part of it. If you >are not the intended recipient please delete this correspondence from your >system and notify the sender immediately. > >No warranty is given that this correspondence is free from any virus. In >keeping with good computer practice, you should ensure that it is actually >virus free. E-mail messages may be subject to delays, non-delivery and >unauthorised alterations therefore, information expressed in this message >is >not given or endorsed by Open and Direct Group Limited unless otherwise >notified by our duly authorised representative independent of this message. > >Open and Direct Group Limited is a limited company registered in United >Kingdom under number 4390810 whose registered office is at 10 Norwich >Street, London, EC4A 1BD > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 25/02/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 25/02/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Redback vs Raining Data's .Net Data Provider
Search the archives here I remember seeing a comment in the last 3-4 months that it was slw - Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mike Randall >Sent: Friday, 27 February 2004 12:58 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: Redback vs Raining Data's .Net Data Provider > > >Being longtime Redback developers, we are about to evaluate Raining Data's >.Net Data Provider. Anybody out there with any experience or comments >about the product? > >Thanks, > >Mike Randall > > > > > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 25/02/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 25/02/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Finally there is an affordable, high performance Data Warehouse/Business Intelligence facility that is fully multi-value aware ? As part of the growing Viságe family of products, Viságe.BIT enables you to incorporate 21st century Data Warehouse/Business Intelligence capabilities into your existing applications. BIT cubes are defined by simply dragging & dropping fields from your existing database, and as a true MOLAP product, you can look at EVERY POSSIBLE COMBINATION of dimensions, rather than having to define discrete "views". Get the full story, and have a "play" with a Viságe.BIT cube at http://www.stamina.com.au/Products/Visage/Visage_BIT.htm If you are going to Spectrum next month, drop by the American Computer Technics table & talk to the guys about you DW/BI, GUI, Reporting and Web Development needs Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development "What will YOU say ..." --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.595 / Virus Database: 378 - Release Date: 25/02/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Sales Forecasting System
Barry, Give me a call at the office tomorrow - we may be able to help 02 4953 8050 Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Barry Brooks >Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2004 3:37 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Sales Forecasting System > >Hi Everyone > >We are looking for a 'standalone' Sales Forecasting System including >demand forecasting techniques and preferably >using a MV database. Or alternately a Sales Forecasting System that can >be integrated sensibly into a MV application. > >Any clues ?? > >Barry Brooks >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 26/02/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 26/02/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Eclipse
Stuart, Is your interest more in "Web Services", or "Eclipse/Java" ? If the former, there may be other ways to achieve your goals - I suppose it then also depends on whether you are looking at simply consuming a web service, or publishing one FWIW, Viságe 6.50 will have a facility to enable you to "publish" any Viságe function (read Basic Subroutine) as a web service - we can happily consume them now from the client but as Dawn would point out, that doesn't count, because we "cheat" and use "nasty" Microsoft technology, and that just isn't Java (Hi Dawn!) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of David Beahm >Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2004 5:46 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: Eclipse > >Sorry, I have done embarassingly little towards developing the desired >plug-in. I had trouble finding a tutorial that matched what I saw in >the current version of Eclipse, and recently have been using NetBeans >much more than Eclipse, so have let things slide. > >Best, >David Beahm > >Stuart Boydell wrote: >> Just saw a www.ibm.com/developerWorks seminar on web services. They are >> using Eclipse as their IDE and I was impressed by the sexiness of the >tools >> (We can get to whether they work or not later). >> There was a thread on here a few months ago about U2 & Eclipse and I was >> wondering if anyone had built or tried building a plug-in for U2 yet. >> Anyone have any comments about it? >> Cheers, >> >> -- >> Stuart >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ** >> This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential >> and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have >> received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre >(61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. >> >> This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned >> for the presence of computer viruses. >> ** >> >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 26/02/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 26/02/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UV] Does anyone know how to
Can one ask what you would actually DO with the word document once you have made your substitutions ? Print ? Fax ? Email ? We tackled this from the other end, and use Automation to drive word for production of standard forms. If this is perhaps of interest you can download an eval from our website . just follow the Lynx links from www.stamina.com.au - WordLynx, FaxLynx & MailLynx (if it isn't obvious which does what, please do NOT download these products :-) Whole things runs as a "service" under windows, so can be 'driven' from a green screen Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, 4 March 2004 8:26 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [UV] Does anyone know how to > > >Thanks Mick - gives me something to start with. Now if I can only get the >users to accept it the battle will be successful. > >dan > > > > > "Gahan, Mick" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "U2 Users Discussion >List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: cc: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UV] Does >anyone know how to > ver.com > > > > 03/03/2004 04:16 PM > Please respond to U2 > Users Discussion > List > > > > > > >Dan, > >We do this within UniData, but I'm thinking it should work in Universe >as well. > >Our trick is to save the Word Document as a RTF (Rich Text Format) file >instead of in the native Word format. The rtf format keeps you from >having to worry about any special characters embedded within the >document. > >It's worked well for us. > >Mick > >Mick Gahan >Director, MIS >Metropolitan Community College >Omaha, NE >(402) 457-2402 > >NOTE: New email address ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 3:09 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [UV] Does anyone know how to > > >I am running UV 9.5.1... on windows NT (PICK flavor). > >I want to be able to read in a .doc file created in Word 2000, do a >string replace, and then write out the file as a new .doc file. I have >tried using the standard READ and READSEQ. I use the CHANGE command [REC >= CHANGE(REC,txta,txtb)] and then WRITE (or WRITESEQ). In each case I >get the anticipated results but when I attempt to launch the document in >Word 2000 I get THE "unknown file format" error. I have to figure that >some characters imbedded in the original document are being stripped by >the limitations of the uniVerse READ and READSEQ commands thus making >this method not practical. I did this in the past - in another life >maybe - but this is my first attempt with WORD 2000. All practical >suggestions appreciated. > >dan > >Note: Effective February 2, 2004, Arnold & Porter became a limited >liability partnership with the name Arnold & Porter LLP. Please change >your records accordingly. The addresses, telephone and fax numbers, and >e-mail addresses of the firm and attorneys have not changed. >-- >This communication may contain information that is legally privileged, >confidential or exempt from disclosure. If you are not the intended >recipient, please note that any dissemination, distribution, or copying >of this communication is strictly prohibited. Anyone who receives this >message in error should notify the sender immediately by telephone or by >return e-mail and delete it from his or her computer. >-- >Daniel Plocinik [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Arnold & Porter LLP Telephone: 202-274-7639 >555 Twelfth Street, NW Fax:202-942-5999 >Washington, DC 20004-1202 > >For more information about Arnold & Porter LLP, click here: > http://www.arnoldporter.com > > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > > >Note: Effective February 2, 2004, Arnold & Porter became a limited >liability partnership with the name Arnold & Porter LLP. Please >change your records acco
RE: Brower based terminal emulator
The windows desktops could use AccuTerm - Internet Edition, that runs from a browser link BUT it is an ActiveX control, so no good for Linux. Have you tried a GOOGLE looking for Linux TE's Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Vance Dailey >Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 7:43 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Brower based terminal emulator > >We are considering running Linux on our user desktops and I am looking for >a >recommendation for a terminal emulation solution. One possibility is to >find >a terminal emulation program which runs locally on each desktop under >Linux. >A second possibility is to setup a server and use a web browser (such as >Mozilla or FireFox) on the user desktops to access the applications. >Ideally >the solution will work on both Windows and Linux desktops given that some >desktops will likely have to remain Windows based. We run Universe 9.6 and >currently use a mix of Dynamic Connect and Wintegrate 4. Our current >emulation is Wyse 60. > >I look forward to hearing about any good or bad experiences anyone has had. > >Thanks, >Vance > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 26/02/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.596 / Virus Database: 379 - Release Date: 26/02/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Eclipse
Stuart, I haven't looked at Eclipse for a while (don't tell Dawn I know how to spell cofe :-) Maybe I should revisit to see if there are any nice "things" that we should incorporate into Viságe (which is already a cool development environment for U2) At one stage we had a nice schema generator that plugged into Rose, so maybe we could look at the UML side of things again, but I fear this would be dead R&D, because I don't think too many "pick" shops are likely to get that formal (which of itself is perhaps a shame, but I can understand the economic drivers) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Stuart Boydell >Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 10:35 AM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: Eclipse > >> Is your interest more in "Web Services", or "Eclipse/Java" ? > >Hi Ross, >I'm interested in all of the above but in the case of Eclipse, just the >IDE. >It's very cool, have you seen it? It should be simple to create a plug-in >for it for U2. > >For those who aren't familiar with Eclipse (www.eclipse.org), it's a >development framework (IDE) "for nothing in particular". That is, it is >adaptable to a range of different development tools, like an open source >version of Visual Studio (but, as it's users say, much better). > >It was originally written by IBM and donated to the open source community. >You can create "plug-ins" for it for whichever particular languages or >tools >you work with, the tools should then integrate. Obviously alot of work has >been done using it in the Java & WebSphere Studio realm but Eclipse >shouldn't be confused with just those tools. One should, in theory, be able >to use it to create MV schemas, workflows etc and then generate the >database >& code from it or reverse engineer existing MV DBs... maybe. > >So, as for using Eclipse to create web services or stuff with Java, >Rational >or WebSphere, that's a possibility but at this stage I'm just interested in >it as a potentially very cool development platform for U2. > >I'm interested to hear from anyone who has experience with Eclipse and >their >views on its aplicability to the U2 environment. > >Cheers, >Stuart > > > > > > > > > > >** >This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential >and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have >received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre >(61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. > >This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned >for the presence of computer viruses. >** > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Eclipse
Chuck, Whilst on 1 hand I tend to agree, I think that anything that aids in the visualization of a process is useful. I've read history books that talk about an archaic art form called "flowcharting", though I believe the practitioners are all but extinct, even though they were prolific. UML is much more - comes back to how you use it. Horses for courses, and your mileage may vary. Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Results >Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 12:29 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: Eclipse > >Ross, >[Warning: Let the flames begin] I don't see UML as a step that has >value. There are many ways to shape a project that reflect practical >considerations. My experience of UML is that it is a method for >separating projects from common sense and practical results. > >- Charles "Rational Rationale" Barouch > >Ross Ferris wrote: > >>Stuart, >> >>I haven't looked at Eclipse for a while (don't tell Dawn I know how to >spell cofe :-) Maybe I should revisit to see if there are any nice "things" >that we should incorporate into Viságe (which is already a cool development >environment for U2) >> >>At one stage we had a nice schema generator that plugged into Rose, so >maybe we could look at the UML side of things again, but I fear this would >be dead R&D, because I don't think too many "pick" shops are likely to get >that formal (which of itself is perhaps a shame, but I can understand the >economic drivers) >> >>Ross Ferris >>Stamina Software >>Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >> >> >> >> >>>-Original Message- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>>Behalf Of Stuart Boydell >>>Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 10:35 AM >>>To: U2 Users Discussion List >>>Subject: RE: Eclipse >>> >>> >>> >>>>Is your interest more in "Web Services", or "Eclipse/Java" ? >>>> >>>> >>>Hi Ross, >>>I'm interested in all of the above but in the case of Eclipse, just the >>>IDE. >>>It's very cool, have you seen it? It should be simple to create a plug-in >>>for it for U2. >>> >>>For those who aren't familiar with Eclipse (www.eclipse.org), it's a >>>development framework (IDE) "for nothing in particular". That is, it is >>>adaptable to a range of different development tools, like an open source >>>version of Visual Studio (but, as it's users say, much better). >>> >>>It was originally written by IBM and donated to the open source >community. >>>You can create "plug-ins" for it for whichever particular languages or >>>tools >>>you work with, the tools should then integrate. Obviously alot of work >has >>>been done using it in the Java & WebSphere Studio realm but Eclipse >>>shouldn't be confused with just those tools. One should, in theory, be >able >>>to use it to create MV schemas, workflows etc and then generate the >>>database >>>& code from it or reverse engineer existing MV DBs... maybe. >>> >>>So, as for using Eclipse to create web services or stuff with Java, >>>Rational >>>or WebSphere, that's a possibility but at this stage I'm just interested >in >>>it as a potentially very cool development platform for U2. >>> >>>I'm interested to hear from anyone who has experience with Eclipse and >>>their >>>views on its aplicability to the U2 environment. >>> >>>Cheers, >>>Stuart >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>** >>>This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential >>>and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have >>>received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre >>>(61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. >>> >>>This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned >>>for the presence of computer viruses. >>>** >>> >>>-- >>>u2-users mailing list >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>
RE: Eclipse
UML can be used for this, though it's been around 5 years since we have done anything serious. At the time we were a Rational Rose Partner, and were following the work of "BoldSoft", who had developed a round trip model driven development environment that generated applications in Delphi. We had developed an SQL Schema generator as a plug-in, but had an MV version as well (which was never commercially sold) Suffice to say that Rational came out with there own inbuilt schema generator, and BoldSoft was acquired by Delphi. Anyway, Rose was "nice" because at the end of the day you could save/load a UML document as an "ordinary" (structured) text file, which was easy to read, generate & process on the "pick" side of the equation. I haven't looked at Rose in recent years, but I would imagine that there is now an XML output option, and support for XML Data Structures, which map quite nicely to mv Data. But somehow I don't think that any money spent on a code generation module out the back end of Rose is going to see a return Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Brian Leach >Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 8:42 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: Eclipse > > >Chuck > >- Flame, flame, flame ! > > > >UML could be a useful tool for us all - if it were capable of representing >MV constructs. >And if they dropped those 'actors' for the Use Case phase - am I the only >person who finds that notation irritating? It looks pre-schoolish - and >anyway a system event is not a person. (You can shout at it and it rarely >shouts back). > >Pity - it would be nice to have a formal way of defining MV systems that >the >rest of the world could recognize. >In fact, it would be nice to have a formal way of defining MV systems - >period. > >I know there are products that do it (including our own!) but I want a >method, not a product. Then certain sectors might take us more seriously. > > >Brian "Not so Rational this morning" Leach > > >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Results >> Sent: 05 March 2004 01:29 >> To: U2 Users Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Eclipse >> >> Ross, >> [Warning: Let the flames begin] I don't see UML as a >> step that has value. There are many ways to shape a project >> that reflect practical considerations. My experience of UML >> is that it is a method for separating projects from common >> sense and practical results. >> >> - Charles "Rational Rationale" Barouch >> >> Ross Ferris wrote: >> > > > >This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar >malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. > >DISCLAIMER > >This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be >privileged. > >If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender >immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other >person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. > >In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please >contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Microgen Information Management Solutions >http://www.microgen.co.uk >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.613 / Virus Database: 392 - Release Date: 4/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Eclipse
Brian, There are some reasonably close approximations for most of the legacy elements - and I've only ever looked at the task from the perspective of moving legacy applications into an environment like Viságe, because in the process you would cull much of the 'dead wood' that inhabits systems that have evolved in a granular manner over a long period of time As you say, trying to make this happen for a system that hasn't been developed with some thought to structure would be "difficult", and as you suggest for many legacy systems would rapidly become a bigger task than re-designing the entire system, with little or no obvious/immediate payback Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Brian Leach >Sent: Monday, 8 March 2004 8:33 PM >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >Subject: RE: Eclipse > >Ross, > >That sounds like an interesting project ! > >I agree with you over the commercial aspect. The only way it could be done >reasonably would be as an open source project - and frankly I doubt it >would >get the contributors. > >I can see how using UML to model a new system could work, so long as you >restricted the design to include only those elements that can be sensibly >handled by the UML. > >But what about that dreaded 'legacy' element for which there is no formal >notation: for example, Q pointers, select lists, single and multiple level >data files, USING clauses and global dictionaries, horrible hetrogenous >values generated from SB+: not to mention the obvious virtual fields... > >I would think that representing an existing system could be a nightmare. > > > >Brian >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris >> Sent: 07 March 2004 10:04 >> To: U2 Users Discussion List >> Subject: RE: Eclipse >> >> UML can be used for this, though it's been around 5 years >> since we have done anything serious. >> >> At the time we were a Rational Rose Partner, and were >> following the work of "BoldSoft", who had developed a round >> trip model driven development environment that generated >> applications in Delphi. We had developed an SQL Schema >> generator as a plug-in, but had an MV version as well (which >> was never commercially sold) >> >> Suffice to say that Rational came out with there own inbuilt >> schema generator, and BoldSoft was acquired by Delphi. >> >> Anyway, Rose was "nice" because at the end of the day you >> could save/load a UML document as an "ordinary" (structured) >> text file, which was easy to read, generate & process on the >> "pick" side of the equation. >> >> I haven't looked at Rose in recent years, but I would imagine >> that there is now an XML output option, and support for XML >> Data Structures, which map quite nicely to mv Data. >> >> But somehow I don't think that any money spent on a code >> generation module out the back end of Rose is going to see a return >> >> >> >> Ross Ferris >> Stamina Software >> Visage - an Evolution in Software Development >> >> >-Original Message- >> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >On Behalf Of Brian Leach >> >Sent: Friday, 5 March 2004 8:42 PM >> >To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' >> >Subject: RE: Eclipse >> > >> > >> >Chuck >> > >> >- Flame, flame, flame ! >> > >> > >> > >> >UML could be a useful tool for us all - if it were capable of >> >representing MV constructs. >> >And if they dropped those 'actors' for the Use Case phase - am I the >> >only person who finds that notation irritating? It looks >> pre-schoolish >> >- and anyway a system event is not a person. (You can shout >> at it and >> >it rarely shouts back). >> > >> >Pity - it would be nice to have a formal way of defining MV systems >> >that the rest of the world could recognize. >> >In fact, it would be nice to have a formal way of defining >> MV systems - >> >period. >> > >> >I know there are products that do it (including our own!) >> but I want a >> >method, not a product. Then certain sectors might take us >> more seriously. >> > >> > >> >Brian "Not so Rational this morning" Leach >> >
RE: Can ya run UV 10.x 3 user system on Win XP Pro box?
I know the "free" 2 user eval runs under XP-PRO, so I don't believe you would have any problems Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Joe Walter >Sent: Wednesday, 10 March 2004 6:15 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Can ya run UV 10.x 3 user system on Win XP Pro box? > > >Got a small company that would like to get going with a Universe based app, >but doesn't want to invest in a full blown Win3K server with local domain >user/security, blah, blah. > >Wondering if we could get away with using a Win XP Pro box as the 'server'. > >I understand the WinXP Pro box would have to have NTFS file system - but I >think that's possible or is available as an option on XP Pro? > >Any comments, ideas, feedback would be greatly appreciated. > >Joe Walter >Fax/Voice mail: 1.435.514.5132 >http://jaw1.home.mindspring.com > >Did you ever stop to think, and forget to start again? > >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 5/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.614 / Virus Database: 393 - Release Date: 5/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Terminology
I'm on the wrong side of the world, but IIRC DataFlo is a product, like InfoFlo - these days out of the Epicore stable I'd imagine SLA would be a "Service Level Agreement" and OLA would be an "Operational Level Agreement", both relating (more or less) to the uptime & availability of a system Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Mark Johnson >Sent: Tuesday, 16 March 2004 12:56 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Terminology > >Dear all: > >I'm not familiar with the following as referred to by MV: SLA and OLA >metrics. > >Also, what is Dataflo. My guess is it may be a 4GL or it could be a 3.5GL >like Eclipse. > >thanks. >-- >u2-users mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.622 / Virus Database: 400 - Release Date: 13/03/2004 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.622 / Virus Database: 400 - Release Date: 13/03/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
