On 17 Dec 2012, at 17:38, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig
Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.
Roger,
I am not sure. If you are kind with ùe, I will love you, but if later
I hear that you are kind with me because you fear God, I will not sure
I will attribute any genuine kindness to
On 17 Dec 2012, at 17:31, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
An interesting insight. Hmmm.
I may have to disagree with you, possibly because
no one arithmetic statement is the whole truth.
And comp needs a whole set of equations,
no one of which is the whole truth.
No, with comp, for
On 17 Dec 2012, at 17:49, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stephen P. King
I define good as that which enhances life and evil
as that which diminishes it.
Is pro-life activism enhancing life or diminishing life?
Some pro-life doctor are against euthanasia, even passive euthanasia,
with the result
On 17 Dec 2012, at 17:50, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 12/17/2012 11:31 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
I may have to disagree with you, possibly because
no one arithmetic statement is the whole truth.
And comp needs a whole set of equations,
no one of which is the whole truth.
But I think that
On 12/19/2012 5:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 17 Dec 2012, at 17:50, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 12/17/2012 11:31 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
I may have to disagree with you, possibly because
no one arithmetic statement is the whole truth.
And comp needs a whole set of equations,
no one of which
On 17 Dec 2012, at 12:51, Telmo Menezes wrote:
I believe in the one god of CTM and its (X Z) logically derived
string theory that is omnipotent (contains and carries out the laws
of
physics),
When people claim that an entity is omnipotent, they are generally
implying intentionality on
Hi Telmo,
I accidentally sent the previous email before
I was done, sorry. Please consider this more complete version
of the intended whole:
Hi Telmo,
Those images in the videoclips, while still remarkable,
probably were constructed simply by monitoring
sensory MRI signals just as one might
Hi Roger,
On 17 Dec 2012, at 14:05, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
There seems to be some sort of prejudice given to
proof or theory . As a scientist, all I have to do is to
weigh myself and report that to you.
Data, in my book at least, always rules over
theory and assumptions.
Hi Craig Weinberg
The difference between corporations and the govt
is that corps have to make a profit or they fail.
Govt never fails.
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12/19/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Craig Weinberg
Conservatives don't want NO govt.
They want minimal govt.
It's the far left (the occupy movement, who are anarchists)
that want no govt.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/19/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Craig Weinberg
What is wrong with making profits ?
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12/19/2012
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On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:18, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
Dear Roger and Stephen,
Cowboy epistemology on truth are underestimated. Much simpler than
all this heavy stuff.
From a fellow guitar cowboy that many will know:
When the sun came up this morning I took the time to watch it rise.
On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:28, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com
wrote:
I thought it was the product of two quaternions that is non-
commutative
Yes, multiplication is non-commutative for quaternions
and that its primary feature is
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 10:33:55 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Hal Ruhl
So whbat ? Those gini coefficnets are in percentages,
so USA has a gini about 27 %, which is outstanding.
If you don't that, see from the wikimedia
map (below) that the USA gini coeff.
is about about
Hi Craig,
As to promoting life, the slogan of the Progressives
could be stated thusly:
Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow ye die !
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12/19/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:54:32 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
The difference between corporations and the govt
is that corps have to make a profit or they fail.
Govt never fails.
Governments fail all of the time.
The idea of American democracy was to factor
Hi Roger,
On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:34, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Telmo Menezes
By killing the father, I meant belittling the male,
but come to think of it, I don't recall seeing
anything direct except in the ads and how
men were treated on the screen. But it's
been achieved.
And indeed, there have
Hi meekerdb
But while the gini index increases linearly with time,
the individual wealth of each american
(at least before Obama) increases exponentially
with time.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/19/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi meekerdb and Stephen,
If information is stored in quantum form,
I can't see why the number of particles
in the universe can be a limiting fsactor.
Also there are ways of storing information
holographically, so size gets a bit ambiguous.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/19/2012
On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:36, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
I had been talking about fear of God, but fear of the law
(meaning fear of diobeying the law) helps keep our streets
safer.
Only the laws coherent with a (reasonable) constitution.
Again, no reason to fear them, as they
Hi Alberto,
Don't forget that mirror neurons in our brains
tends to make us copy cats.
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12/19/2012
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Hi Alberto G. Corona
And as the Bible says, the wages of sin is death.
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12/19/2012
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Hi Roger,
Show me the exponential data.
Richard
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi meekerdb
But while the gini index increases linearly with time,
the individual wealth of each american
(at least before Obama) increases exponentially
with time.
The holographic information capacity of the universe is 10^120,
known as the Lloyd limit.
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi meekerdb and Stephen,
If information is stored in quantum form,
I can't see why the number of particles
in the universe can
Hi Bruno Marchal
Anything pro life saves life so is good.
Euthanasia destroys life so is bad.
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12/19/2012
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Hi Bruno Marchal
You can write a chemical equation (theoretically) that will not work in the
real world..
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12/19/2012
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On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:46, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
No, the monads are (inextended) tokens of corporeal (extended)
bodies of one part.
But in comp, tokens are simple (nonreductive), ie contain no parts,
while types such as are used in Functionalism, has parts on both
ends. So
Hi Bruno Marchal
That's right. One can refrain from sinning
because of love of God rather than fear of Hell.
I sometimes try to do that when I don't feel
that guilty personally.
It's just like you would be moral because that's
what your parents want you to be.
It's the right thing to do.
On 17 Dec 2012, at 19:53, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb
If simply raising taxes could kill a national
debt, why does Europe still have debt problems ?
In old democracies, raised money can be used to hide the problems
instead of solving it. Not just in Europe.
Bruno
[Roger
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:04:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/18/2012 4:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Taxing the rich does not redistribute the
On 17 Dec 2012, at 20:27, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Why just 8? I would have expected every possible person points
pf view
consistent with MWI. Richard
There is 8 main types of points of view given by:
Dear Bruno,
Hi Craig Weinberg
OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that
they can legislate their own welfare.
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12/19/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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On 12/19/2012 11:34 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
If information is stored in quantum form,
I can't see why the number of particles
in the universe can be a limiting fsactor.
Also there are ways of storing information
holographically, so size gets a bit ambiguous.
Dear Roger,
You ask an
Hi Richard Ruquist
I already sent that out a few days ago, maybe
even yesterday. curve follows log (inflation-adjusted personal income)
vs time I think back perhaps a century or more.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/19/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody
Hi Richard Ruquist
That's the usual response, but
why does information have to be
associated with extended objects ?
One could store such information mentally.
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12/19/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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On 12/19/2012 12:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 5:04:28 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/18/2012 4:40 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Monday, December 17, 2012 8:02:12 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 12/17/2012 5:11 PM, Craig
On 17 Dec 2012, at 22:31, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/17/2012 1:15 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
ISTM that consistency is the fact that you can't have contradiction.
In some logics you're allowed to have contradictions, but the rules
of inference don't permit you to prove everything from a
On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
The difference between corporations and the govt
is that corps have to make a profit or they fail.
Or they get the government to give them breaks because they're too big to fail.
Brent
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On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Conservatives don't want NO govt.
They want minimal govt.
I think you're confused; that's Libertarians. Conservatives always vote for more
government control over individual behavior and more money for the military (that protects
On 17 Dec 2012, at 22:55, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 12/17/2012 2:15 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Is it possible to define a relative probability in the case
where it is not possible to count or otherwise partition the
members of the ensemble?
Yes. relative probability is not necessarily a
On 18 Dec 2012, at 00:01, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net
wrote:
Whoops ! Big mistake.
I had the gini index backwards.
1 means total inequality, not equality of income.
So things are getting worse in america instead of better.
And
On 18 Dec 2012, at 00:02, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Stathis Papaioannou
stath...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:59 AM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net
wrote:
Whoops ! Big mistake.
I had the gini index backwards.
1 means total inequality, not
On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
The difference between corporations and the govt
is that corps have to make a profit or they fail.
Or they get the government to give them breaks because they're too big
to fail.
Brent
Hi
Then you can easily provide a link to that data
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Roger Clough rclo...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi Richard Ruquist
I already sent that out a few days ago, maybe
even yesterday. curve follows log (inflation-adjusted personal income)
vs time I think back perhaps a
On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Conservatives don't want NO govt.
They want minimal govt.
I think you're confused; that's Libertarians. Conservatives always
vote for more government control over individual behavior and more
On 18 Dec 2012, at 01:50, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 12/17/2012 4:31 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/17/2012 1:15 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
ISTM that consistency is the fact that you can't have contradiction.
In some logics you're allowed to have contradictions, but the rules
of inference
2012/12/19 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Conservatives don't want NO govt.
They want minimal govt.
I think you're confused; that's Libertarians. Conservatives always vote
for
On 12/19/2012 2:14 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I am trying to see if we can use the way that towers of theories are
allowed by the incompleteness theorems...
This is studied in recursion theory. Turing shows that incompleteness
continue to all effective transfinite tower, on the constructive
On 12/19/2012 2:16 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
2012/12/19 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net
mailto:stephe...@charter.net
On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Conservatives don't want NO govt.
They want
On 18 Dec 2012, at 07:28, Jason Resch wrote:
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 5:54 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au
wrote:
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hpco...@hpcoders.com.au -
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:18:59 +1000
From: Russell Standish hpco...@hpcoders.com.au
I tried to identify the meaning of axiom and found a funny solution:
as it looks, AXIOM is an unprovable idea underlining a theory otherwise
non-provable.
In most cases: an unjustified statement, that, however, DOES work in the
contest of the particular theory it is serving.
Better
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/19/2012 8:34 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb and Stephen,
If information is stored in quantum form,
I can't see why the number of particles
in the universe can be a limiting fsactor.
Information has to be
I do not intend to 'clear up' on a nonexisting fairness Index.
Democracy is an oxymoron: NO CHANCE the entire populace (demos) could
exercise governance-power (cratos). There is a COMPROMISE in voting: what
do I prefer to vote for from other goals I put temporarily to sleep - and
who is the
On 12/19/2012 9:53 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that
they can legislate their own welfare.
Or when the people realize that their government has just become a tool of the rich and
powerful to increase their wealth and power; in
On 12/19/2012 11:08 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
The difference between corporations and the govt
is that corps have to make a profit or they fail.
Or they get the government to give them breaks
On 12/19/2012 11:12 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 12/19/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 6:58 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Conservatives don't want NO govt.
They want minimal govt.
I think you're confused; that's Libertarians. Conservatives always vote for more
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:30:17 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/19/2012 2:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
All markets become first-come first-serve pyramid schemes by definition.
And this means? What is the implication?
That policies based on the assumption that
On 12/19/2012 3:29 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 9:53 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that
they can legislate their own welfare.
Or when the people realize that their government has just become a
tool of the rich and powerful to
On 12/19/2012 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 11:08 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
The difference between corporations and the govt
is that corps have to make a profit or they fail.
Or
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:56:43 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/19/2012 3:50 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 11:08 AM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 12/19/2012 1:42 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 6:54 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
The
On 12/19/2012 3:55 PM, meekerdb wrote:
That's because the federal government was the instrument of freeing
the slaves, over turning Jim Crow, giving women the vote and equal
rights. No corporation ever supported personal or civil rights - the
only rights they ever support are the right to
On 12/19/2012 11:58 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 12/19/2012 8:34 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi meekerdb and Stephen,
If information is stored in quantum form,
I can't see why the number of particles
in the universe can be a
On 12/19/2012 4:08 PM, meekerdb wrote:
Is there any indication of how much of that GDP number is actually
built on sovereign and private debt?
How would you define 'built-on'? If I borrow money to start a
business and the money comes from a pool that Japanese and Germans
invested in does
On 12/19/2012 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:30:17 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King
wrote:
On 12/19/2012 2:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
All markets become first-come first-serve pyramid schemes by
definition.
And this means? What is the
On 12/19/2012 2:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
But it isn't just money-under-the-table and campaign funding that corrupts;
it is
also a huge think-tank industry and media empire that supports politicians
who vote
to allow mergers and tax breaks and special regulations that, down
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 6:13:20 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 12/19/2012 2:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
But it isn't just money-under-the-table and campaign funding that
corrupts; it is also a huge think-tank industry and media empire that
supports politicians who vote to allow
On 12/19/2012 1:38 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 12/19/2012 3:29 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 9:53 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
OK, govts can finally fail, when the people find that
they can legislate their own welfare.
Or when the people realize that their government has
On 12/19/2012 5:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
So, basically, we are just screwed. OK! ;-)
At least the super-rich will have higher numbers in their bank
accounts. That will make the loss of civilization for the other 6.
billion people all worthwhile ;)
So, who is handing out
On 12/19/2012 6:47 PM, meekerdb wrote:
The people don't have to be armed to overthrow their government. It
depends on the culture; but revolutions were successful in the USSR,
Poland, India, and South Africa even though the people were not
armed. Violent revolutions very often lead to
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:47:26 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
http://it.stlawu.edu/~pomo/mike/kuznet.html
The Kuznet's theory goes like this: when a country begins developing
economically,
its income inequality worsens. But after a few decades when the
On 12/19/2012 10:36 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Did you notice this chart on that link?
http://www.unc.edu/~nielsen/special/s2/hs12003a.gif
There is no shade of black that is white, sir. I know you mean well,
but I have lived in the US for 44 years and I can tell you that it has
gotten worse
On 12/19/2012 7:36 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:47:26 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
http://it.stlawu.edu/~pomo/mike/kuznet.html
http://it.stlawu.edu/%7Epomo/mike/kuznet.html
The Kuznet's theory goes like this: when a country begins
On 12/19/2012 11:13 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 7:36 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:47:26 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
http://it.stlawu.edu/~pomo/mike/kuznet.html
http://it.stlawu.edu/%7Epomo/mike/kuznet.html
The Kuznet's
Also: http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/subprime.htm
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On 12/19/2012 8:41 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 12/19/2012 11:13 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 7:36 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 12:47:26 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
http://it.stlawu.edu/~pomo/mike/kuznet.html
On 12/20/2012 12:08 AM, meekerdb wrote:
In 1983 747 savings and loans failed, costing 90B$. The FBI opened
5490 criminal investigations and by 1992 839 people were convicted.
What about this time around? For example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Franklin_Financial_Corp. and see the
On 12/19/2012 8:44 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Also: http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/subprime.htm
That's a very biases analysis that implies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bought subprime
loans, which they did not. It was the banks and private mortgage companies that created
the adjustable
On 12/20/2012 12:26 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 8:44 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Also: http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/subprime.htm
That's a very biases analysis that implies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
bought subprime loans, which they did not. It was the banks and
private
On 12/19/2012 9:38 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 12/20/2012 12:26 AM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/19/2012 8:44 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
Also: http://www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/subprime.htm
That's a very biases analysis that implies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bought subprime
loans, which they
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