Hi Bruno Marchal
I think it is safe to treat the One as something that at least has the features
of the Christian God (or I suppose any god)-- omniscient, omnipresent, etc.
Leibniz created his metaphysics to allow everything to happen
as ideas, not physically. All of the action occurs in the
Hi Bruno Marchal and all--
Rather than living in such a dreary scientific world,
yhe point is to escape from the world of science
into the world of Mind.
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Hi Bruno Marchal
That Is why IMHO Peirce's categories seem necessary to this project.
I. For what we experience comes from Firstness, raw experience.
The computer cannot duplicate that, for that state is subjective, which
means a living, symbol-free experience. It has no symbolic form yet.
Hi Craig Weinberg
Obviously you don't want to have a rational discussion.
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On Wednesday, January 23, 2013
Hi Craig Weinberg
Period, meaning that's it.
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Hi Craig Weinberg
An article in the American Journal of Psychiatry in 2004 suggested that
atheists might have a higher suicide rate than theists.[10] According to
William Bainbridge, atheism is common among people whose social obligations are
weak and is also connected to lower fertility
Belief . . . from history of physics.
=.
Many years Max Planck was attracted with the
absolutely black body problem.
If quantum of light moving with speed c=1 falls in the area of
absolutely black body and does not radiate back, then “ terminal
dead “ will come. In order to save the quantum
Hi all,
I was thinking about meditation and how people report experiences of
oneness with the universe, non separation, etc.
Meditation is a process of quieting the mind. One could say reducing it's
complexity. Simpler states have more undistinguishable observer moments.
Could it be that what's
I always considered h to just be a constant of proportionality
between energy and frequency that is determined empirically.
What a quantum particle is may be metaphysical- that is, beyond
measurement and subject to belief.
For example I believe in a Quantum Mind- Physical world duality where
I sincerely hope that nobody believes I'm picking on Catholics because
Protestant thinking is every bit as brain dead dumb as the Pope's. Martin
Luther knew perfectly well that religious ideas cannot survive the
slightest amount of rational analysis without completely falling apart, but
his
I though that, this was not a site for enhancing the self esteem of
self-proclaimed rationalists neither an insult-you-an-infidel theraphy
group.
2013/1/24 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
I sincerely hope that nobody believes I'm picking on Catholics because
Protestant thinking is every bit
Something that intrigues me is that arithmetics does not seem to exist
in the primordial singularity that spawned the 14d Metaverse nor in
any singularities that that spawned 12d universes because the quantum
fields in the singularities are not discrete.
In order to get a discrete structure
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
Genesis doesn't say anything about God being grand and complex as far as
I know.
It certainly says God is grand and if it didn't say that a omnipotent being
was complex it certainly should have. And Darwin provided
On 1/24/2013 7:32 AM, John Clark wrote:
I sincerely hope that nobody believes I'm picking on Catholics because Protestant
thinking is every bit as brain dead dumb as the Pope's. Martin Luther knew perfectly
well that religious ideas cannot survive the slightest amount of rational analysis
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:45:15 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Obviously you don't want to have a rational discussion.
Obviously you can't defend your criticism.
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On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:32:58 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
OK, you can see that in two current junk science cults:
(a) materialism
(b) climate change
What I can see is that your responses seem to be generated by this logic
tree:
Do I Understand It?
This is exactly what happened to Islam in the 1300s.
After the fundamentalists took over, rationality was dispensed with,
and centuries of scientific progress were deemed sufficient for Islam
for all time. And so it seems that Islam went from world leadership in
science to where it is today.
On 1/24/2013 8:17 AM, John Clark wrote:
It's a three letter word and it is not explained at all,
I know. That's the problem.
Interestingly, in Aramaic the word was Elohim, and my jewish/anthropologist friend tells
me that's a plural. So it should have been translated gods, except that
On 23 Jan 2013, at 15:22, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 6:58:03 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi John Clark
From his hostile postings, Craig seems to have been very
very badly hurt by the Christian Church sometime in the past.
Haha, not at all. Some of my best memories in
On 23 Jan 2013, at 15:28, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi -
This national geographic special shows a young
hungarian lady who can essentially play and win five
games of chess blindfolded. Instead of a blindfold, here she
is playing only by voice to voice over a mobile phone.
Her father, a
On 1/24/2013 8:33 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote:
This is exactly what happened to Islam in the 1300s.
After the fundamentalists took over, rationality was dispensed with,
and centuries of scientific progress were deemed sufficient for Islam
for all time. And so it seems that Islam went from world
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:17:30 AM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
Genesis doesn't say anything about God being grand and complex as far
as I know.
It certainly says God is grand and if it
On 23 Jan 2013, at 18:21, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:11:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Jan 2013, at 23:28, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:20:58 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Craig Weinberg
I imagine your story as a Calvin and Hobbes strip :)
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
I once had the experience of oneness with the universe.
As an almost teenager one winter I was sliding in an apple orchard
1/2 mile from home. It was so much fun
All these things are part of the myths of modernity. The reality is quite
different. The idea that the medievals though that the earth was flat is
larguely a myth, as true as the fact that now a fair amount of the people
in the world believe that Man has not been in the Moon. Inquisition, for
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:50:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 23 Jan 2013, at 16:49, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 10:31:18 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Jan 2013, at 21:34, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 12:44:41 PM
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:46:47 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
Period, meaning that's it.
I know what you meant by period. If you noticed, I attached a list of
serial killers who followed what they understood to be the voice of God.
The implication is that if you
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:52:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
An article in the American Journal of
Psychiatryhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Journal_of_Psychiatryin
2004 suggested that atheists might have a higher suicide rate than
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:59:03 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 23 Jan 2013, at 18:21, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Wednesday, January 23, 2013 11:11:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 22 Jan 2013, at 23:28, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:20:58 PM
But your question really is what does a physical particle look
like?
My answer is that they look like strings. But I have to admit that
strings are still concepts in the regime of metaphysics..
. . .
So string theory IS my religion.
/ Richard Ruquist /
Do you advise me to believe in your
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:36 PM, socra...@bezeqint.net
socra...@bezeqint.net wrote:
But your question really is what does a physical particle look
like?
My answer is that they look like strings. But I have to admit that
strings are still concepts in the regime of metaphysics..
. . .
So
In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one of
Ocham or Duns Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern
science and were precursors of the most radical forms of Positivism.
Why? It is simple to understand: The three of them were against the use of
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:13:25 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/23/2013 5:53 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I guess you are serious, but I can't imagine how you can actually believe
that. You think that you turn the Mars rover on and there is some entity
there which has an expectation
On 23 Jan 2013, at 23:50, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Arithmetical truth is a sort of block-brains-in-a-vat
This is what I mean by the term Quantum Mind
I think of the Quantum Mind as a Block Metaverse
containing all
On 1/24/2013 9:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
All these things are part of the myths of modernity. The reality is quite different. The
idea that the medievals though that the earth was flat is larguely a myth,
As to the fable that there are Antipodes, that is to say,
men on the opposite
On 1/24/2013 9:32 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:52:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
An article in the American Journal of Psychiatry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Journal_of_Psychiatry in 2004
suggested that
atheists might have
In the same way, except a few in a concrete time in the greek history, the
Greeks believed that the earth was flat, with the center in Greece. The
world okeanos, (ocean) was a river, that surrounded the earth, where greece
was at the center.
The XII century, the time of Juachim de Fiore, and the
On 1/24/2013 9:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one of Ocham or Duns
Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern science and were precursors
of the most radical forms of Positivism.
They were anti-rationlism,
On 1/24/2013 9:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:13:25 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/23/2013 5:53 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I guess you are serious, but I can't imagine how you can actually believe
that. You
think that you turn the Mars rover on and
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:13:18 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/24/2013 9:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one
of Ocham or Duns
Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern science and
were precursors
2013/1/24 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
On 1/24/2013 9:41 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
In fact it is just the opposite: the position of Luther, like the one of
Ocham or Duns Scoto, which were strongly anti-reason, created the modern
science and were precursors of the most radical forms of
On 1/24/2013 10:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
In the same way, except a few in a concrete time in the greek history, the Greeks
believed that the earth was flat, with the center in Greece. The world okeanos, (ocean)
was a river, that surrounded the earth, where greece was at the center.
The
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:17:12 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/24/2013 9:44 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 12:13:25 AM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/23/2013 5:53 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I guess you are serious, but I can't imagine how you can actually
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 23 Jan 2013, at 23:50, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Arithmetical truth is a sort of block-brains-in-a-vat
This is what I mean by the term Quantum
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:31:41 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Bruno Marchal
mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript:
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On 23 Jan 2013, at 23:50, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bruno Marchal
mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
It certainly says God is grand and if it didn't say that a omnipotent
being was complex it certainly should have.
Ah, so we are talking about what you think Genesis should have said
rather than what it actually
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 1:37 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:31:41 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 23 Jan 2013, at 23:50, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at
On 24 Jan 2013, at 04:03, Gary Oberbrunner wrote:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1301.1069v1.pdf See question 12.
Interesting. Thanks.
A bit sad, also.
If it takes time to understand the MWI of the SWE (which writes it
almost explicitly), I guess it will take time to understand the
universal
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 1:45:55 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
It certainly says God is grand and if it didn't say that a omnipotent
being was complex it certainly should have.
Ah, so we are
On 1/24/2013 10:46 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
The Stalinist and Maoists were hardly 'scientific', they just weren't
theists. For
example, they rejected Darwin just like Baptists do.
They were as scientific as your global warmist friends.
Really? Where are their peer-reviewed
On 1/24/2013 10:46 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
2013/1/24 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
On 1/24/2013 10:12 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
In the same way, except a few in a concrete time in the greek history, the
Greeks
believed that the earth was
On 24 Jan 2013, at 09:48, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal and all--
Rather than living in such a dreary scientific world,
yhe point is to escape from the world of science
into the world of Mind.
Those worlds are not necessarily separated.
Bruno
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Bruno,
What is meant by the informational interpretations? Is that something like
the one Ron Garrett presented?
The informational and MW together got 42% of the vote, equal to Copenhagen.
Jason
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 12:58 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 24 Jan 2013, at
Hi Telmo,
On 24 Jan 2013, at 16:17, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Hi all,
I was thinking about meditation and how people report experiences of
oneness with the universe, non separation, etc.
Meditation is a process of quieting the mind. One could say reducing
it's complexity. Simpler states have
On 1/24/2013 12:19 PM, Jason Resch wrote:
Bruno,
What is meant by the informational interpretations? Is that something like the one Ron
Garrett presented?
It's the view most advocated by Asher and Fuchs, that the WF is just an encoding of what
the experimenter knows about the physical
Fascinating.
I described in this list that the future of humanity would be our
coming back to bacteria form, in such giant brain form, as it is more
suitable to survive long period, and explore the galaxy, and enough to
emulate our usual realities we are fond of, but apparently bacteria
Oops sorry, it was an old post! But I really love those bacteria.
Bruno
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John,
I agree with Craig. The concept of divine simplicity exists in several
religions ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_simplicity ). The concept
is also not dissimilar to the Neti Neti (Not this, not that) explanation
of Brahman in Hindusim ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neti_neti ) or the
Brent:
I hold you in a much higher standard than being a participant in such
tongue-lashing about topics absolutely not fitting the Everything List
and its goals.
Could we save (use?) this list for reasonable scientific discussion? \
Does anybody have a 'fitting' topic we could discuss?
For many
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with Craig. The concept of divine simplicity exists in several
religions
And in those religions how did a simpleton God make life? Darwin provided
the mechanism by which Evolution did it, so those religions
Bruno:
WHAT 'evidences'??? we have no way to judge them. We either *accept* the
(belief-based) figment as REAL - i.e. TRUE, *or not*.
The first case we call 'evidence'. Or: justification. Then base our belief
(even system) on such.
John (M)
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 11:07 AM, Bruno Marchal
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 3:54:03 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
A two year old can understand what God is supposed to be.
A two year old can't understand how something simple can know everything
and neither
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It's probably a lot simpler than that. In the U.S. if you're an atheist it
may be hard to find a sympathetic ear. Depending a lot on where you live,
you may be isolated and reviled.
Is that really true? I was in the US
On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
It's probably a lot simpler than that. In the U.S. if you're an atheist it
may be hard to find a sympathetic ear. Depending a lot on where you live,
you may be isolated and
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdbmeek...@verizon.netjavascript:
wrote:
It's probably a lot simpler than that. In the U.S. if you're an
atheist it
may be hard
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:20:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/24/2013 6:28 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 9:05:31 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 1/24/2013 5:14 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 4:55 AM, meekerdbmeek...@verizon.net
On 1/24/2013 8:43 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
I don't know that not being able to talk to others about your (non) religious beliefs
would be cause for suicide though.
Not a cause, just the absence of a little prevention.
Brent
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On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:08:14 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote:
evolution is complex and counter-intuitive.
The basic idea behind Evolution is not complex but it is counter-intuitive
because the human mind
On 1/24/2013 11:59 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Thursday, January 24, 2013 11:08:14 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:
evolution is complex and counter-intuitive.
The basic idea behind Evolution is not
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