Re: [Extropolis] NYTimes.com: Did One Guy Just Stop a Huge Cyberattack?

2024-04-08 Thread John Clark
h you may have your suspicions, it's very difficult to prove where it came from. I wonder if Vladimir has another October surprise up his sleeve. * *John K Clark* > "That's one of the most amazing stories I have ever heard." > > Anyone should feel free to forward it to th

Re: [Extropolis] NYTimes.com: Did One Guy Just Stop a Huge Cyberattack?

2024-04-08 Thread Russell Standish
, John Clark wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:59 PM Keith Henson wrote: > > > "That's one of the most amazing stories I have ever heard." > > > Anyone should feel free to forward it to the Extropy List. I can't.  > >  John K Clark >   > >

Re: [Extropolis] NYTimes.com: Did One Guy Just Stop a Huge Cyberattack?

2024-04-05 Thread John Clark
On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 10:59 PM Keith Henson wrote: *"That's one of the most amazing stories I have ever heard."* *Anyone should feel free to forward it to the Extropy List. I can't. * * John K Clark* On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 5:15 AM John Clark wrote: > > > > Explore

NYTimes.com: Did One Guy Just Stop a Huge Cyberattack?

2024-04-04 Thread John Clark
Explore this gift article from The New York Times. You can read it for free without a subscription. Did One Guy Just Stop a Huge Cyberattack? A Microsoft engineer noticed something was off on a piece of software he worked on. He soon discovered someone was probably trying to gain access

Re: Clocks accurate to within one second in 30 billion years

2023-09-28 Thread 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List
to within one second in 300 million years, but Scandium clocks would be accurate to within one second and in 300 billion years. Clocks that accurate would allow you to automatically land a jet on an aircraft carrier even in a high sea and a thick fog because GPS would know where the jet is and where

Clocks accurate to within one second in 30 billion years

2023-09-28 Thread John Clark
technology. This paper is from yesterday's issue of the journal Nature: Resonant X-ray excitation of the nuclear clock isomer scandium 45 <https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06491-w> Cesium atomic clocks that we use today are accurate to within one second in 300 million years, but Sc

NYTimes.com: One of the Last Bastions of Digital Privacy Is Under Threat

2023-06-14 Thread John Clark
Check out this article from The New York Times. Because I'm a subscriber, you can read it through this gift link without a subscription. One of the Last Bastions of Digital Privacy Is Under Threat There are dangers to the latest regulatory efforts to force tech companies to monitor all content

JC and the Professor here is one to get your blood circulating to the brain

2023-05-07 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
This is not something I actively thought about, but should have seen this one arriving. No, I am not accusing either of you for NOT expecting this one.  https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/new-conservative-ai-chatbot-named-after-president-reagan I am sure there will be one for Samiya as well

Re: 10-second one-legged stance performance predicts survival in middle-aged and older individuals

2022-06-28 Thread smitra
some circumstances giving up work might achieve the opposite. One study of blue collar workers in Austria found that men who retired three and a half years early were 13% more likely to die by the age of 67 – particularly if they were single, lonely and used it as an opportunity to r

Re: 10-second one-legged stance performance predicts survival in middle-aged and older individuals

2022-06-27 Thread Lawrence Crowell
I can do that. I just did it for about 30 seconds. LC On Friday, June 24, 2022 at 1:53:22 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote: > > > *From:* Philip Benjamin Friday, June 24, 2022 9:37 AM > > > > *Subject:* 10-second one-legged stance performance predicts survival in &g

10-second one-legged stance performance predicts survival in middle-aged and older individuals

2022-06-24 Thread Philip Benjamin
From: Philip Benjamin Friday, June 24, 2022 9:37 AM Subject: 10-second one-legged stance performance predicts survival in middle-aged and older individuals https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/balancing-on-one-leg-for-10-seconds-may-predict-likelihood-of-living-or-dying-study-says/ https

An example of one of the many flaws in the US Constitution

2022-01-04 Thread John Clark
When looking over the news this morning two items about Covid caught my eye: U.S. reports over 1 million new daily Covid cases as omicron surges And: Judge blocks Navy vaccine policy for

One simple point mutation caused the pandemic​ ​

2021-07-19 Thread John Clark
A new study in the July 6 issue of the journal "Cell" indicates that one single point mutation in a Covid virus's RNA that is common in bats caused the worldwide pandemic. That mutation caused the RNA base Adenine to change to the RNA base Guanine, and that resulted in the RNA producing

Re: How does one calculate total potential energy for a particle of mass m?

2021-02-16 Thread Alan Grayson
I was thinking of something similar. One has to start with a finite mass, say with a continuous mass distribution, and spherical, and use one of those theorems, Gauss or Green, to calculate the PE from its origin, to the surface, and then infinitely outward. IIRC, Brent once explained

Re: How does one calculate total potential energy for a particle of mass m?

2021-02-16 Thread smitra
ial function going as 1/r, one can integrate from R1 to R2 to get the total added PE when moving against the gravity field between those distances. But the PE is undefined if we integrate from R = 0. If this is correct, it seems that the PE for a point mass is undefined, and it's therefore impossible to equ

How does one calculate total potential energy for a particle of mass m?

2021-02-16 Thread Alan Grayson
IIRC, for R2 > R1, and the potential function going as 1/r, one can integrate from R1 to R2 to get the total added PE when moving against the gravity field between those distances. But the PE is undefined if we integrate from R = 0. If this is correct, it seems that the PE for a point m

Re: When did Trump have his last negative test and first positive one?

2020-10-05 Thread Lawrence Crowell
[image: trump the drunk driver.jpg] On Monday, October 5, 2020 at 7:38:18 AM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > Trump claims that he is tested for COVID-19 every day and he only found > out he had COVID-19 on Friday at 1 AM, but that is almost certainly another > one of Trump's many

When did Trump have his last negative test and first positive one?

2020-10-05 Thread John Clark
Trump claims that he is tested for COVID-19 every day and he only found out he had COVID-19 on Friday at 1 AM, but that is almost certainly another one of Trump's many many lies. Virtually nobody tests negative for COVID-19 and 24 hours later test positive, and 12 hours after that become so sick

Re: Many Worlds wins another one

2020-09-15 Thread Lawrence Crowell
associated with a wave function, could be a source of this instability. I am not an upholder of any quantum interpretation. They can pertain to certain types of measurements one makes on a quantum system. LC On Saturday, September 12, 2020 at 2:13:15 PM UTC-5 johnk...@gmail.com wrote: > Roger Penr

Many Worlds wins another one

2020-09-12 Thread John Clark
Roger Penrose had proposed a rival to Everett's Many Worlds as an Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics. In his Idea the Quantum Wave Function really does physically collapse and timing of the collapse depends on a random element and on gravity and thus on the mass density of particles in

The biggest bang since the big one

2020-03-01 Thread Lawrence Crowell
This does indicate AGNs can occur somewhat late in cosmic evolution. LC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

The biggest bang since the big one

2020-03-01 Thread John Clark
In the February 27 2020 Astrophysical Journal evidence is presented that in the distant past in a super giant galaxy 400 million light years away there was an explosion that released 100 billion times as much energy as the sun will during its entire lifetime. Discovery of a Giant Radio Fossil in

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-08-02 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 9:27:22 AM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 8:07:49 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> If *everything is matter* (against the idea that it's an illusion) then >> matter doesn't have its origin in anything. >> >> People who

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-08-02 Thread Lawrence Crowell
ists, >>>> but the logician). There are some mistake in that paper, but not relevant >>>> here. >>>> >>>> Bell, J. L. (1986). A new approach to quantum logic. Brit. J. Phil. >>>> Sci., 37:83-99. >>>> >>>>

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-08-02 Thread Philip Thrift
If qualia are not "number relations" then they must be substances on >> their own. >> >> And what is substance that is (at least partly) non-numerical: matter. >> >> @philipthrift >> > > Matter has its origin in either the condensate interaction of

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-08-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 2 Aug 2019, at 12:40, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 4:20:58 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 2 Aug 2019, at 00:57, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 8/1/2019 5:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> This is the tour de

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-08-02 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, August 2, 2019 at 4:20:58 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 2 Aug 2019, at 00:57, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > everyth...@googlegroups.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > On 8/1/2019 5:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> This is the tour de force of the Theaetetus

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-08-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 2 Aug 2019, at 00:57, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 8/1/2019 5:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> This is the tour de force of the Theaetetus definition when applied in the >> Mechanist frame: it explains why machines are necessarily confronted with >> things

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-08-01 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 8/1/2019 5:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: This is the tour de force of the Theaetetus definition when applied in the Mechanist frame: it explains why machines are necessarily confronted with things which are not only not computable, but not representable in any third person way. The

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-08-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 1 Aug 2019, at 12:42, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 3:51:45 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 31 Jul 2019, at 09:25, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> If it isn't stuff (at the bottom of it), it it isn't real. >> >> Otherwise, it is idealism,

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-08-01 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, August 1, 2019 at 3:51:45 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 31 Jul 2019, at 09:25, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > If it isn't stuff (at the bottom of it), it it isn't real. > > Otherwise, it is idealism, which physics (as today's "popular" physicists > present it to the

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-08-01 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 31 Jul 2019, at 09:25, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > If it isn't stuff (at the bottom of it), it it isn't real. > > Otherwise, it is idealism, which physics (as today's "popular" physicists > present it to the public) has become today. > > In philosophy, idealism is the group of

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-07-31 Thread Philip Thrift
If it isn't stuff (at the bottom of it), it it isn't real. Otherwise, it is idealism, which physics (as today's "popular" physicists present it to the public) has become today. *In philosophy, idealism is the group of metaphysical philosophies that assert that reality, or reality as humans

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-07-30 Thread Lawrence Crowell
There may not be any stuff that is quantum. The paper looks to be a further extension of weak measurements devised by Aharonov. LC On Monday, July 29, 2019 at 2:18:02 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > But this is interesting: > > [ via >

Re: No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-07-30 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 29 Jul 2019, at 21:18, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > But this is interesting: > > [ via > http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2019/07/the-forgotten-solution-superdeterminism.html > > > ] > > > > The

No one knows what the stuff is of QM!

2019-07-29 Thread Philip Thrift
But this is interesting: [ via http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2019/07/the-forgotten-solution-superdeterminism.html ] *The Weak Reality That Makes Quantum Phenomena More Natural: Novel Insights and Experiments* Yakir Aharonov, Eliahu Cohen, Mordecai Waegell, and Avshalom C. Elitzur

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-23 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
On top of all this, Bruno, they have become less shrewd and more bumbling, like the generation of leaders before WW1.  -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Sun, Jun 23, 2019 7:36 am Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity On 23 Jun 2019, at 01:29

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 23 Jun 2019, at 13:44, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 6:27:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 21 Jun 2019, at 14:38, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 6:22:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 20 Jun 2019, at

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-23 Thread Philip Thrift
On Sunday, June 23, 2019 at 6:27:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Jun 2019, at 14:38, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, June 21, 2019 at 6:22:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Jun 2019, at 19:42, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, June 20, 2019

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
I would say. Bruno > Zuck, and not just him, is confronted to the not easy delineation between > freedom of speech and defamation. > > Bruno > > > > -Original Message- > From: Bruno Marchal > To: everything-list > Sent: Fri, Jun 21, 2019 7:23 am > Subject

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
of the Aristotelian/platonic divide. > Fiction usually refer to false, and so might be abusive in this context. > > Bruno > > > > It seems like a funny term to apply. Funny? OK. But, Imo, also misleading, especially in this “postmodern era” which relativize truth too much,

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-22 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity On 20 Jun 2019, at 20:43, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Well, they defame themselves, and successfully bribe politicians. Interestingly, they have all, regardless of party, in the US, have left the nationalist camp. entirely. This will cause an effec

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-21 Thread Philip Thrift
l to 3. > > Measurement, or calculation suggests that PI is bigger than 3. Reflexion > and reasoning explains that PI is not rational, nor algebraical, etc. > > I understand that mathematics is concerned with immaterial things. Calling > them fiction a priori beg the question of the

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
, opening the path for > antitrust laws. Barring this, the legality of how the 1st amendment in the US > is affected, will come into play. OK. Bruno > > > -Original Message- > From: Bruno Marchal > To: everything-list > Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2019 6:17 am &g

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-21 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 20 Jun 2019, at 19:42, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 12:32:20 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:28:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 20 Jun 2019, at 12:52, Philip Thrift > wrote: >> >> >> >> Logic is mere

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-20 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
is affected, will come into play. -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2019 6:17 am Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity On 19 Jun 2019, at 05:15, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Oh, why not both, OK. especially when

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-20 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 12:32:20 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:28:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Jun 2019, at 12:52, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> *Logic is mere heuristics.* >> >> >> I don’t understand this. >> >> Logic is a

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-20 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:28:14 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 20 Jun 2019, at 12:52, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > *Logic is mere heuristics.* > > > I don’t understand this. > > Logic is a branch of mathematics, which can be used correctly or > incorrectly, like all

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 20 Jun 2019, at 12:52, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 5:27:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 19 Jun 2019, at 12:57, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 5:13:57 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 18 Jun 2019,

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-20 Thread Philip Thrift
On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 5:27:06 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 19 Jun 2019, at 12:57, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 5:13:57 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:49, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 18,

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 19 Jun 2019, at 12:57, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 5:13:57 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:49, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 13 Jun 2019,

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
amation. Bruno > > > -Original Message- > From: Bruno Marchal > To: everything-list > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 5:52 am > Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity > > >> On 13 Jun 2019, at 19:19, spudboy100 via Everything List >> mailto:everythi

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-19 Thread Philip Thrift
On Wednesday, June 19, 2019 at 5:13:57 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:49, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 13 Jun 2019, at 20:12, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Feyerabend wrote of

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
remains mute on this, and trust the big one to make any form of advertising. Only atheists talk about God. (That is a theorem in Arithmetic, accepting to define God by the origin of matter and consciousness in the digital mechanist frame). I do not claim this to be true, of course. Bruno

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-19 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:49, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 13 Jun 2019, at 20:12, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> Feyerabend wrote of scientific fundamentalism, being indoctrinated into a >> particular theory as

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-18 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Oh, why not both, especially when that defender of freedom, Zuck pushes his Libra :-) ? -Original Message- From: Bruno Marchal To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 5:52 am Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity On 13 Jun 2019, at 19:19, spudboy100 via Everything List

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-18 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, June 18, 2019 at 4:55:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 13 Jun 2019, at 20:12, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > Feyerabend wrote of scientific fundamentalism, being indoctrinated into a > particular theory as being TRUTH. > > > People seriously claiming truth are con artist

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
unists >> who are funded by billionaires) >> There is also, surprisingly to myself, great self-righteousness expressed by >> this lot, in excess, of the Christian fundamentalist. >> Beyond this, if Atheism works for you? Spectacular. If doing religious craps >> allow

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 13 Jun 2019, at 19:19, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > Yes Bruno, back in the day, one of my college profs termed ideologies, to be > a faith movement. I would say that ideologues are blind faith, or dogma. Ideas are better, but faith is personal, and we ne

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-13 Thread Philip Thrift
to myself, great self-righteousness expressed > by this lot, in excess, of the Christian fundamentalist. > Beyond this, if Atheism works for you? Spectacular. If doing religious > craps allow one to enjoy some psycho-social activity? Splendid. > I do love Outre' observations by some p

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-13 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Yes Bruno, back in the day, one of my college profs termed ideologies, to be a faith movement. Hence, Lysenko, Stalin, Mao, and in my view, progressivism (like Juncker, like Soros) push for their faith movement.  That is my dig, but also an honest observation. As we say in the US, ideologists

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-13 Thread Bruno Marchal
t; Beyond this, if Atheism works for you? Spectacular. If doing religious craps > allow one to enjoy some psycho-social activity? Splendid. > I do love Outre' observations by some physicists, because it permits our > species to break free. I mean it's physics, it's either going to work or no

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-11 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
ists who are funded by billionaires)There is also, surprisingly to myself, great self-righteousness expressed by this lot, in excess, of the Christian fundamentalist.Beyond this, if Atheism works for you? Spectacular. If doing religious craps allow one to enjoy some psycho-social activity? Splend

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 2:31:52 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: > > "One man's theology is another man's belly laugh." -Lazarus Long aka > Robert Heinlein > > There is a religion called *Comedism*: via Steve Gimbel https://www.gettysburg.edu/academic-pr

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-11 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, June 11, 2019 at 1:17:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > Any religion/science claiming truth is a fraud. > > Bruno > > > Amen. @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List"

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-11 Thread Bruno Marchal
te dictatorship in town. When theology was scientific: the minimal understanding shared by all is that we cannot invoke the spiritual directly in any temporal endeavour. Theology/religion is not a problem. The problem is the lack of rigour, which is maintained as long as we tolerate

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-10 Thread Philip Thrift
> hatred is evident from what they utter with their mouths, but greater is > the hatred which their breasts conceal” (3:118). * > > John K Clark > Being raised conventional (mainline) Protestant, I was taught the Bible stories of Jesus [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_Story - a now

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-10 Thread Lawrence Crowell
It is clearly a case of God or Allah as a supernatural form of Orwell's "Big Brother," who in the course of that novel you realize may have no more actual existence than Chef Boyardee, but which serves as an image of terror. God is really much the same. As Eric Blair, pen name George Orwell,

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-10 Thread John Clark
On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 12:16 PM Samiya Illias wrote: > On 09-Jun-2019, at 6:45 PM, Lawrence Crowell < >> goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Islam actually teaches it is acceptable to lie to kafirs, or nonbelievers. > > > > * > Where? Please quote the ayat from The Quran. * *“Those

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-10 Thread Lawrence Crowell
an. I read a translation of the Koran right after the 9-11 events, which is now almost 18 years ago. I do remember this as one of those "oh really" moments in reading. LC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" grou

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-09 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 11:00 AM Samiya Illias wrote: >> On 05-Jun-2019, at'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> > If you don't do experiments to test your sacred text, then there is >> nothing left but literalism. If you do experiments and test your

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-09 Thread Samiya Illias
> On 09-Jun-2019, at 6:45 PM, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > Islam actually teaches it is acceptable to lie to kafirs, or nonbelievers. Where? Please quote the ayat from The Quran. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-09 Thread Lawrence Crowell
On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 11:44:11 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Jun 2019, at 16:21, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 6:01:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 3 Jun 2019, at 04:59, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >> On 02-Jun-2019, at 11:38 PM,

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-06 Thread Philip Thrift
told you how I figure out which book is most likely to >> clear up my confusion of how the world works but you *STILL* haven't said >> how you do it. >> >> >> Immortality means never having a last thought and the only way I know >>>> how to do that is with inf

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
FACTO. >> >> The new total is now (6.02*10^23) +2. >> >> And I've already told you how I figure out which book is most likely to >> clear up my confusion of how the world works but you *STILL* haven't said >> how you do it. >> >> >> I

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-05 Thread Lawrence Crowell
ow I figure out which book is most likely to > clear up my confusion of how the world works but you *STILL* haven't said > how you do it. > > >> Immortality means never having a last thought and the only way I know >>> how to do that is with infinity. >> >> &

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-05 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 10:30 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *>>>That would happen in circular model of time, like in Gödel GR >>> universe.* >> >> >> >>But the Gödel GR universe is not the one I live in, my universe does >> not rotate. > > > *&

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-05 Thread Samiya Illias
> On 05-Jun-2019, at 9:52 AM, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > If you don't do experiments to test your sacred text, then there is nothing > left but literalism. If you do experiments and test your sacred text you > find it's bull shit. Can you please quote an ayat of The

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-05 Thread Samiya Illias
> On 05-Jun-2019, at 7:49 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> On 5 Jun 2019, at 06:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 6/4/2019 9:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> The problem is not Islam, but the fact that since Al Gazhali, Islam has >>> confined itself in

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 5 Jun 2019, at 06:52, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/4/2019 9:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> The problem is not Islam, but the fact that since Al Gazhali, Islam has >> confined itself in literalism, which is frightening concerning the second >> part of

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
first person indeterminacy. Despite the Helsinki guy survived with P = 1, neither P(W/H), nor P(M/H) is equal to one, as both first persons indexically confirms in their diary after the experience. Bruno > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
ortality means never having a last thought and the only way I know how > >> to do that is with infinity. > > >That would happen in circular model of time, like in Gödel GR universe. > > But the Gödel GR universe is not the one I live in, my universe does not > rotate. H

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-04 Thread 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List
On 6/4/2019 9:44 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The problem is not Islam, but the fact that since Al Gazhali, Islam has confined itself in literalism, which is frightening concerning the second part of the Quran, and the practical implementations of that religious oppression in many countries

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-04 Thread Philip Thrift
On Tuesday, June 4, 2019 at 9:55:51 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 3 Jun 2019, at 14:24, John Clark > > wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 3, 2019 at 5:18 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > *you have espoused the theology of Aristotle, which is based on the act >> of faith* >> > > Congratulations,

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-04 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
the Moon? Will this be considered an offense against Allah and one that is worth killing for?  Will the Muslims say, "only if Allah permits," or, it will never happen because Allah will somehow thwart the evil plans of the kuffar (Infidels)! For, the sake of not shocking people into unha

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-04 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
, understandable.   -Original Message- From: Samiya Illias To: everything-list Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2019 1:07 am Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity Nobody succeeds at Dawah except as Allah wills. I'm not trying to do Dawah, just trying to keep my duty. This is how I understand

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
y, and this by invoking Allah. The media seems to skip this, but > there is an actual genocide of christians in many muslims countries, and they > refer to the Quran and even worst Hadith. > > The canonical theology of the machine (the Solovay logic G*) explains why > theology, e

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-04 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 10:55 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: *> Unlike Philip Thrift and Penrose, you seems to assume both materialism > and mechanism,* > Well according to you "I have defined mechanism by the idea that we can survive with a digital (universal) machine at the place of the brain", so by

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-04 Thread John Clark
*>That would happen in circular model of time, like in Gödel GR universe.* > But the Gödel GR universe is not the one I live in, my universe does not rotate. John K Clark > > Bruno > > > John K Clark > > > -- > You received this message because you are subsc

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-04 Thread Bruno Marchal
selection, you can't read all old books and can't read all new books > either: so how do you determine which new book is most likely to answer your > difficulties in understanding something? I do it by listening to comments and > reading reviews written by people who have given good book

Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-04 Thread John Clark
old by their mommy and daddy exactly the same thing about a slightly different book of nonsense. That's why geography not philosophy or logic is what determines religious certainty . Did you think it was just a coincidence that you happened to be born to parents that lived in the one small a

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-03 Thread Samiya Illias
l work, based on cause and effect. > Otherwise, it's merely running away from the difficult issues of How. If > you are afraid to offend, the Big Guy, that's a personal issue. > -Original Message- > From: Samiya Illias > To: everything-list > Sent: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 11

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-03 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
: Sun, Jun 2, 2019 11:00 pm Subject: Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity On 02-Jun-2019, at 11:38 PM, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: Here the materialist often fails, as they talk like if they knew primitive matter exists, A straw man.  Nothing I wrote referred to primitive

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-03 Thread Lawrence Crowell
Quran and even worst Hadith. > > The canonical theology of the machine (the Solovay logic G*) explains why > theology, even as a science, contains a trap. It shows that the frontier > between Enlightenment and madness is very thin.That is wise, in the ideal > world of the self-refere

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-03 Thread John Clark
all new books either: so how do you determine which new book is most likely to answer your difficulties in understanding something? I do it by listening to comments and reading reviews written by people who have given good book advice in the past and I then use induction to conclude their new advi

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
anonical theology of the machine (the Solovay logic G*) explains why theology, even as a science, contains a trap. It shows that the frontier between Enlightenment and madness is very thin.That is wise, in the ideal world of the self-referentially correct machine, the wise say mute and trust

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 2 Jun 2019, at 20:40, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 6/2/2019 1:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> To make this into a theory, you need to explain where that virtuous circle >> comes from. With mechanism, you have the mathematical tools to address the >> “circle”

Re: Allah: the One and Only Deity

2019-06-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
ote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/1/2019 12:30 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>>>>> No. The early definition of Earth was a flat surface, and people >>>>>> believed this by ostentation. >>>>> Now you're just twisting

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 3 Jun 2019, at 03:27, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > As a minor of mine in college was philosophy I have read some of these > ancient texts. I have even read Aristotle's Physics, which is all wrong > really. So of what use are these texts, or really philosophy in general? It > is

Re: BLOBS [was: Allah: the One and Only Deity]

2019-06-03 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 2 Jun 2019, at 17:02, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 8:18 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > The fact that you compare Plotinus ir Proclus to a Caveman shows that you > > have not even try to read them > > Well of course I haven't read them! Unless

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