Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

On 1/18/2013 12:48 AM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/17/2013 7:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/17/2013 7:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Alberto G. Corona mailto:agocor...@gmail.com>> wrote: You have to prove that the CO2 is the main ingredient of glob

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

On 1/17/2013 7:11 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/17/2013 7:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Alberto G. Corona > wrote: You have to prove that the CO2 is the main ingredient of global warming. Not me. Ok. So Greenhouse

Re: Algorithmic Thermodynamics

On 1/17/2013 6:48 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/17/2013 7:10 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: I particularly liked this statement by Baez which relates to Feynman renomalization for QED and Crammer's Transactioanal Analysis: "Manin and Marcolli [20] derived similar results in a broader context and

Re: Algorithmic Thermodynamics

On 1/17/2013 11:34 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 09:25:20PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/17/2013 4:21 PM, Russell Standish wrote: From just the abstract alone, I can't see how this differs from the Solomonff universal prior? Hi Russell, OK, is that a good thi

Re: Algorithmic Thermodynamics

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 09:25:20PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 1/17/2013 4:21 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > > From just the abstract alone, I can't see how this differs from the > >Solomonff universal prior? > > Hi Russell, > > OK, is that a good thing? It seems to me that it is. Are y

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

On 1/17/2013 7:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Alberto G. Corona mailto:agocor...@gmail.com>> wrote: You have to prove that the CO2 is the main ingredient of global warming. Not me. Ok. So Greenhouse effect is "alarmist fantasy" to you. This

Re: Algorithmic Thermodynamics

On 1/17/2013 7:10 PM, Richard Ruquist wrote: I particularly liked this statement by Baez which relates to Feynman renomalization for QED and Crammer's Transactioanal Analysis: "Manin and Marcolli [20] derived similar results in a broader context and studied phase transitions in those systems. Ma

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

On 1/17/2013 4:31 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: You have to prove that the CO2 is the main ingredient of global warming. Not me. But it is not. It is water vapor by orders of magnitude. And the water vapor concentration, and the clouds depends on cosmic rays, and cosmic rays depend on solar

Re: Algorithmic Thermodynamics

On 1/17/2013 9:25 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/17/2013 4:21 PM, Russell Standish wrote: From just the abstract alone, I can't see how this differs from the Solomonff universal prior? Hi Russell, OK, is that a good thing? It seems to me that it is. Are you saying that the content of t

Re: Algorithmic Thermodynamics

On 1/17/2013 4:21 PM, Russell Standish wrote: From just the abstract alone, I can't see how this differs from the Solomonff universal prior? Hi Russell, OK, is that a good thing? It seems to me that it is. Are you saying that the content of the paper is trivial? Cheers On Wed, Jan 16

Re: Idealism, theology, and the world of science Options

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:04 AM, socra...@bezeqint.net wrote: > Descartes : “ I think, therefore I am “ > Zen / Tibetan Buddhist monks : "I think not, therefore I am" > Why they say: ' Mind for others , no mind for me' ? > > Are they fool men or maybe > they know that there are two methods of c

Re: Algorithmic Thermodynamics

I particularly liked this statement by Baez which relates to Feynman renomalization for QED and Crammer's Transactioanal Analysis: "Manin and Marcolli [20] derived similar results in a broader context and studied phase transitions in those systems. Manin [18, 19] also outlined an ambitious program

Re: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland

Hi John, My suspicion is that Roger is so keen to impose a Piercean triadic view on things that he has omitted to make the necessary connection with the normal meaning of 1p/3p as standing for subjective/objective. Cheers On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 04:55:17PM -0500, John Mikes wrote: > Russell, > I

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On Thursday, January 17, 2013 6:46:59 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > > > On 17/01/2013, at 8:17 AM, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > I agree. Even Hamerov would agree, despite the low and quantum level. Only >> Penrose, but probably also Searle, would disagree, I guess. Perhaps Craig, >> and most

Re: Two Schrodinger cats

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 1:08 PM, meekerdb wrote: > The short answer is yes. But it's not four universes, it's one universe > that is a superposition of four states. The idealization is that the cats > are isolated so that it is only when a live/dead measurement is made the > universe splits. B

Re: Algorithmic Thermodynamics

>From just the abstract alone, I can't see how this differs from the Solomonff universal prior? Cheers On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 07:29:33PM -0500, Stephen P. King wrote: > Dear Bruno and Friends, > > The paper that I have been waiting a long time for. ;-) > > http://arxiv.org/abs/1010.2067

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 7:49 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/17/2013 4:02 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > I'm agnostic about the environmental apocalipse. Producing useful > scientific theories about complex systems is already a daunting task. When > the issue is so heavily politicised by both sides, it

Re: Holy Smokes ! Automobile exhausts are causing polar ice caps to also melt on Mars, Jupiter and Pluto

On 1/17/2013 6:59 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Holy Smokes ! Automobile exhausts are causing polar ice caps to also melt on Mars, Jupiter and Pluto http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars.htm What the site actually says is, "At this time, there is little empirical evidence that Ma

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

On 1/17/2013 1:54 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: The idea of the end of resources comes from Malthus, but it can be traced much back in time, to some misconceptions of what is a resource from our evolutionary past. It is though naturally that a resource is something produced by the heart, which i

Re: Two Schrodinger cats

On 1/17/2013 4:32 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi all, Naive question... Not being a physicists, I only have a pop-science level of understanding of the MWI. I imagine the multi-verse as a tree, where each time there is more than one possible quantum state we get a branch. I imagine my consciousn

Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

The idea of the end of resources comes from Malthus, but it can be traced much back in time, to some misconceptions of what is a resource from our evolutionary past. It is though naturally that a resource is something produced by the heart, which is not in the hand of the man to fabricate it. This

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

On 1/17/2013 4:02 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: I'm agnostic about the environmental apocalipse. Producing useful scientific theories about complex systems is already a daunting task. When the issue is so heavily politicised by both sides, it becomes almost impossible. Anyone that has ever done expe

Re: Can there be multiple numbers ?

On 1/17/2013 11:46 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King 1) Sorry, I incorrectly abbreviated, as usual, by referring to the Supreme Monad as God. The correct version is that God observes and handles the world of monads from behind or beyond the Supreme Monad. Somehow this may ha

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

2013/1/17 meekerdb > I hope you're enjoying your check from Exxon/Mobil. > I don`t find irony in your words, given the context of your previous answers. I can´t believe that you are no naive as to assume that warmism scepticism is a conspiracy. My worst suppositions about you have been surpass

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

On 1/17/2013 9:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Coming back to hemp should be the good idea. Oil and wood have replaced Hemp (for textile, fuel, paper and medication) just from lies and greed. The possible global warming might just be another consequences on the lies on cannabis, drugs etc. Hemp wa

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

On 1/17/2013 7:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jan 2013, at 23:45, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/16/2013 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jan 2013, at 13:13, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Specific properties, at least down here, are needed if you accept Leibniz' dictum that ide

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

I hope you're enjoying your check from Exxon/Mobil. Brent On 1/17/2013 2:57 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Count me as an heretic denialist of the ecological Apocalipsis. The Michael Mann hockey stick is a fraud as you can verify in the mails leaked in the Climate Research Unit. You must read th

Re: the curse of materialism

On Wednesday, January 16, 2013 7:06:03 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 1/16/2013 5:32 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > That is the most clear demosnstration that what we perceive is in the > > mind ,and the rest out of the mind is only mathematics (or some kind > > of underlying conp

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error,it should beTwoAspects Theory

Hi Craig Weinberg OK, I was just thinking in my old engineering frame of mind. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2

Re: Aquinas' analogy of being

Hi Roger, On 17 Jan 2013, at 16:22, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal 1) To borrow from Dr. Johnson, matter exists out there because I can stub my toe on it. I can stub my toe in a dream. I can dream 'stubbing my toe in a reality'. 2) And I should have said that is necessary for

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error,it should be TwoAspects Theory

On Thursday, January 17, 2013 11:54:03 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Sorry, I'm missing your point. What is it ? > You said "Potential energy is more than conceptual", so I am explaining why I disagree. Potential energy is entirely conceptual, just like any other poten

The tale of a monad. I'm not making this up :-)

Hi Stephen P. King A monad is blind, and so does not know the location in space of his physical body, so he must trust the PEH, which is his eyes and his guiding spirit, to lead him on safe paths. Psalm 23. In this Best of All Possible Worlds, there's no guarantees, but being blind, what else

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On 17 Jan 2013, at 16:16, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal The self-reference to phenomenol perception shows up in the monad for an object, which is always from that monad's pov. OK. In the sense that I can interpret this in purely arithmetical terms. The convolution operator is just

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error,it should be TwoAspects Theory

Hi Craig Weinberg Sorry, I'm missing your point. What is it ? [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-17,

Re: Algorithmic Thermodynamics

Hi Stephen P. King Cool. Go for it. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 19:29:33 Subject: Algor

Re: Two Schrodinger cats

On 17 Jan 2013, at 16:01, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Jan 2013, at 13:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi all, Naive question... Not being a physicists, I only have a pop-science level of understanding of the MWI. I imagine the multi-ver

Re: Re: Can there be multiple numbers ?

Hi Stephen P. King 1) Sorry, I incorrectly abbreviated, as usual, by referring to the Supreme Monad as God. The correct version is that God observes and handles the world of monads from behind or beyond the Supreme Monad. Somehow this may have led you astray. I do believe that al

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

Thanks Yuksel, What I'm trying to say is that light itself has no speed. There is latency between the illuminations of objects separated by a vacuum but I think that may be the result of how the sense of distance is realized by matter, not the result of any kind of presence traveling through the s

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

Hi Stephen P. King Ultimately the PEH. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-16, 17:47:35 Subject: Re: MWI as

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On 17 Jan 2013, at 14:49, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: You are right. But UDA shows that if comp is correct, and QM is correct, then the second has to be a mathematical consequence of the first. Agreed, just as I put it above. So,

Re: Re: Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On Tuesday, January 15, 2013 6:31:51 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > 1) Good point. So far, there is only indirect evidence of gravity waves. > > http://www.centauri-dreams.org/?p=15438 > > 2) Potential energy is more than conceptual, it is the elastic energy > stored > in

Re: Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

Hi Telmo Menezes I think we will run out of fresh water and food before we run out of fossil fuels. The ocean floors are covered with frozen methyl hydrates, for example. And there is an unlimited amount of nuclear power. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 "Forever is a lon

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

"As for what light is, keep in mind that we do know (with a very high degree of assuredness) that light consists of quantum particles, and that those particles move along geodesic paths through whatever medium they encounter. " All that we know is what we infer from the instruments and material

Re: Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

Perhaps a simpler version of the argument against duplicates is that a substance is defined as a subject, possibly with a predicate or predicates. If two or more of these entities are the same, they are the same substance, which converts a duplicate into a single entity. Hence one , no longer

Re: Re: Aquinas' analogy of being

Hi Bruno Marchal 1) To borrow from Dr. Johnson, matter exists out there because I can stub my toe on it. 2) And I should have said that is necessary for the world to operate properly. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Wo

Re: Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

Hi Bruno Marchal The self-reference to phenomenol perception shows up in the monad for an object, which is always from that monad's pov. The convolution operator is just a conjecture, since it appears in systems theory and signal processing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convolution "In

Re: Two Schrodinger cats

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 17 Jan 2013, at 13:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Hi all, >> >> Naive question... >> >> Not being a physicists, I only have a pop-science level of understanding >> of the MWI. I imagine the multi-verse as a tree, where each time there is

Holy Smokes ! Automobile exhausts are causing polar ice caps to also melt on Mars, Jupiter and Pluto

Holy Smokes ! Automobile exhausts are causing polar ice caps to also melt on Mars, Jupiter and Pluto http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-on-mars.htm NASA says the Martian South Polar Ice cap has been shrinking for three summers in a row. Maybe Mars got its fever from earth. If

Re: Re: Are EM waves and/or their fields physical ?

Hi David Bonnell Anything that moves through spacetime is physical. Simple as that. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/17/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: David Bonnell Receiver: dfine Time: 2013-01-

Re: Two Schrodinger cats

On 17 Jan 2013, at 15:02, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2013/1/17 Bruno Marchal On 17 Jan 2013, at 13:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi all, Naive question... Not being a physicists, I only have a pop-science level of understanding of the MWI. I imagine the multi-verse as a tree, where each time

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

On 17 Jan 2013, at 13:02, Telmo Menezes wrote: I'm agnostic about the environmental apocalipse. Me too. Producing useful scientific theories about complex systems is already a daunting task. When the issue is so heavily politicised by both sides, it becomes almost impossible. Anyone tha

Re: Two Schrodinger cats

2013/1/17 Bruno Marchal > > On 17 Jan 2013, at 13:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > Hi all, >> >> Naive question... >> >> Not being a physicists, I only have a pop-science level of understanding >> of the MWI. I imagine the multi-verse as a tree, where each time there is >> more than one possible qua

Re: Two Schrodinger cats

On 17 Jan 2013, at 13:32, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi all, Naive question... Not being a physicists, I only have a pop-science level of understanding of the MWI. I imagine the multi-verse as a tree, where each time there is more than one possible quantum state we get a branch. I imagine my

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 5:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:23, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 14 Jan 2013, at 18:11, Richard Ruquist wrote: >>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:30, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 15 Jan 2013, at 16:24, Richard Ruquist wrote: >>> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:

Two Schrodinger cats

Hi all, Naive question... Not being a physicists, I only have a pop-science level of understanding of the MWI. I imagine the multi-verse as a tree, where each time there is more than one possible quantum state we get a branch. I imagine my consciousness moving down the tree. Suppose Mary perform

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

On 17 Jan 2013, at 01:38, meekerdb wrote: On 1/16/2013 3:54 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/16/2013 1:52 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/16/2013 1:45 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Now the same PR firms are hired by the oil and coal industry to obfuscate the problem of global warming. And meanwhi

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

On 17 Jan 2013, at 00:18, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/16/2013 10:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jan 2013, at 00:11, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/15/2013 8:51 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Jan 2013, at 20:14, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/13/2013 2:02 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 1/13/2013 1

Re: Math-> Computation-> Mind -> Geometry -> Space -> Matter

On 16 Jan 2013, at 23:45, Stephen P. King wrote: On 1/16/2013 10:59 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jan 2013, at 13:13, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal Specific properties, at least down here, are needed if you accept Leibniz' dictum that identical entities cannot exist in this conting

Re: The unpredictability of solar energy

I'm agnostic about the environmental apocalipse. Producing useful scientific theories about complex systems is already a daunting task. When the issue is so heavily politicised by both sides, it becomes almost impossible. Anyone that has ever done experimental research knows how easy it is to lie w

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 16 Jan 2013, at 20:29, meekerdb wrote: On 1/16/2013 7:15 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jan 2013, at 23:18, meekerdb wrote: On 1/15/2013 8:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jan 2013, at 07:54, meekerdb wrote, to Jason: Consider the quantum suicide experiment, or the Shrodinger's c

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 16 Jan 2013, at 19:56, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> I could study anthropology or I could study literature or I could study history but I can't study theology because there is nothing there to study. There is no field of inquiry called "

Re: HOW YOU CAN BECOME A LIBERAL THEOLOGIAN IN JUST 4 STEPS.

On 17/01/2013, at 8:17 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> I agree. Even Hamerov would agree, despite the low and quantum level. Only >> Penrose, but probably also Searle, would disagree, I guess. Perhaps Craig, >> and most believer in non comp. > > We could ask one of the people who are made of a

Re: Aquinas' analogy of being

On 16 Jan 2013, at 18:06, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal 1) I was thinking of physical science, which cannot know the meaning of things. 2) OK, I had overlooked the nonexistence in a mental sense, or matter. Well, matter exists in a mental sense. It just does not exist "out there".

Re: Are numbers substances ? Are quanta substances ?

On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:50, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal 1) My awareness is nonphysical (because internal) yet exists in time. I agree that the most common conscious state (awareness) exists in relation with subjective time, but subjective time itself does not exist in physical tim

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:30, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal I seem to have been using words sloppily. You can't get away with that with a mathematician :-) Let me try again. The phenomenol is what "appears" to be out there. OK, but it is not only that. In fact, with the exception of tru

Idealism, theology, and the world of science Options

Descartes : “ I think, therefore I am “ Zen / Tibetan Buddhist monks : "I think not, therefore I am" Why they say: ' Mind for others , no mind for me' ? Are they fool men or maybe they know that there are two methods of cognitions. ===.. Where does the information come from

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:30, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 15 Jan 2013, at 16:24, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What do you mean by "quantum mind"? keep in mind that with comp we cannot assu

Re: MWI as an ontological error, it should be TwoAspects Theory

On 16 Jan 2013, at 17:23, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Jan 2013, at 18:11, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 13 Jan 2013, at 05:34, Richard Ruquist wrote: That's because they don't