--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Curtis DeltaBlue wrote:
When I stopped meditating about 19 years ago it felt a little weird
for a few days and I sometimes had to take an afternoon nap
since I was used to resting then. But in less than a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SNIPPING some bargage...
They are part of a natural cycle of ignorance: awake - asleep -
dream
- awake -sleep - dream -etc. but samadhi and the fourth (turiya)
are beyond this cycle. Didn't you ever see the woodcut of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
SNIPPING some bargage...
They are part of a natural cycle of ignorance: awake - asleep -
dream
- awake -sleep - dream -etc. but samadhi and the
On Nov 20, 2007, at 8:15 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
SNIPPING some bargage...
They are part of a natural cycle of ignorance: awake - asleep -
dream
- awake -sleep - dream -etc. but samadhi and the fourth (turiya)
are beyond
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 20, 2007, at 8:15 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
SNIPPING some bargage...
They are part of a natural cycle of ignorance: awake - asleep -
dream
-
Curtis wrote:
When I stopped meditating about 19 years ago it felt
a little weird for a few days and I sometimes had to
take an afternoon nap since I was used to resting then.
But in less than a week I felt great and have never
desired the state again. I found that dissociation
caused me
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
SNIPPING some bargage...
They are part of a natural cycle of ignorance:
On Nov 20, 2007, at 10:33 AM, hugheshugo wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 20, 2007, at 8:15 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
SNIPPING some bargage...
They are part of a natural
Richard, you talk like a true believer on the basis of dogma. You cannot know
what Deltablues state of consciousness is through knowing him via emails. I
don't remember who it was that claimed yoga was exclusively Indian, and my
question was is the realization that Purusha is distinct from
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@
wrote:
I haven't slept in meditation for 25 years. As usual Vaj is talking
about something he has no knowledge. In other words a fraud.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I haven't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 20, 2007, at 8:15 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
SNIPPING some bargage...
They are part of a natural cycle of ignorance: awake - asleep -
dream
-
Vaj wrote:
They have to hear the current spiel, like it or not.
But you do bring up an interesting point, because I
do believe if we look closely we'll see an attempt
to connect the gap between thoughts, the sandhi,
to a higher state of consciousness (and furthermore
link that to all
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vaj wrote:
They have to hear the current spiel, like it or not.
But you do bring up an interesting point, because I
do believe if we look closely we'll see an attempt
to connect the gap between
On Nov 20, 2007, at 11:13 AM, hugheshugo wrote:
No it isn't included in the intro lecture, deliberately too. Wouldn't
want to scare of the punters. You have to wait til day two of
checking before you hear all that stuff.
The important thing isn't when it's mentioned these days, but that it
This is a perfect example of why I think Vaj hasn't
heard a TM introductory lecture. Is there any fantastic
razzle-dazzle, quantum physics, or discussion of whether
or not your house has an entrance on the south side
included in any introductory TM lecture? I think not.
Richard
No it isn't included in the intro lecture, deliberately
too. Wouldn't want to scare of the punters. You have to
wait til day two of checking before you hear all that
stuff.
Vaj wrote:
The important thing isn't when it's mentioned these days,
but that it is mentioned -- and that it
On Nov 20, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
No it isn't included in the intro lecture, deliberately
too. Wouldn't want to scare of the punters. You have to
wait til day two of checking before you hear all that
stuff.
Vaj wrote:
The important thing isn't when it's
No, the important thing is that you said it was included
in the introductory TM lecture and Mr. Hughes said it was
included in the day two TM lecture. You two attempted to
mislead and prevaricate.
Vaj wrote:
Moot point, since it's a required piece of instruction.
So, you have not
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Curtis wrote:
When I stopped meditating about 19 years ago it felt
a little weird for a few days and I sometimes had to
take an afternoon nap since I was used to resting then.
But in less than a week I
Angela,
Thanks for sticking up for the idea that a person may leave TM and
there may not be something terribly wrong with him! Telling people
that I chose to leave TM voluntarily after having good experiences
with it and enjoying it for years is an interesting mirror on people.
I learn a lot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 20, 2007, at 11:13 AM, hugheshugo wrote:
No it isn't included in the intro lecture, deliberately too.
Wouldn't
want to scare of the punters. You have to wait til day two of
checking before you hear all that
I don't remember who it was that claimed yoga was
exclusively Indian,
According to Eliade, writing in the definitive book on yoga,
Yoga is unique to India. Eliade is a famous author, an expert
on Yoga, Shamanism, the history of religion.
Work cited:
'Yoga: Immortality and Freedom'
by
Curtis wrote:
I don't have original sin and I don't have karmic debt.
This is some really bad karma:
http://www.suggestibility.org/
The TM failed predictions of the age of enlightenment
and etc. haven't been piling up for as long. I'm sure
that no matter what happens, events will be
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is a perfect example of why I think Vaj hasn't
heard a TM introductory lecture. Is there any fantastic
razzle-dazzle, quantum physics, or discussion of whether
or not your house has an entrance
Curtis wrote:
You gotta love it!
The proof that you were never on the program lies in the
fact that you thought you were on a program. There's no
such thing as TM, Curtis - that's just a silly acronym,
made up to communicate between dilettantes.
In reality, there is no path, no gate to go
Thank you Curtis--the feeling is mutual.
You write:
You have immersed yourself in many cultures and
POVs, so it doesn't surprise me that you get me. I am not a master
of anything or enlightened in the way that MMY describes. It is the
ability to deeply understand many POVs from people from
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Curtis wrote:
You gotta love it!
The proof that you were never on the program lies in the
fact that you thought you were on a program. There's no
such thing as TM, Curtis - that's just a silly acronym,
In areas where there is no Recert many are teaching with Maharishi's
approval. Not all the details about Enlightenment Centers are totally
accurate.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams
willytex@
Curtis DeltaBlue wrote:
When I stopped meditating about 19 years ago it felt a little weird
for a few days and I sometimes had to take an afternoon nap
since I was used to resting then. But in less than a week
I felt great and have never desired the state again.
I found that
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 18, 2007, at 9:59 PM, emptybill wrote:
Empty Bill:
To parrot Vaj: Any real yogi familiar with Patanjali will be well
aware
Patanjali does not discuss the topic of effort in yoga other than
On Nov 19, 2007, at 8:13 AM, do.rflex wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 18, 2007, at 9:59 PM, emptybill wrote:
Empty Bill:
To parrot Vaj: Any real yogi familiar with Patanjali will be well
aware
Patanjali does not discuss
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 8:13 AM, do.rflex wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Nov 18, 2007, at 9:59 PM, emptybill wrote:
Empty Bill:
To parrot Vaj: Any real
Do.rflex,
Please examine if your use of the word Absolute squares with Advaita.
Absolute is not Pure Being/amness/soul/mind/pure
consciousness/intellect/heart. These other words are to label the
portal of the Absolute the place where one waits for Grace to
whisk one into the
On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:20 AM, do.rflex wrote:
I'm not talking about what somebody says *about* the Absolute, I'm
talking about the *experience* of the Absolute. Like I said, Vaj,
without a direct experience of the Absolute, all of your pseudo
scholarly comparative mumbo-jumbo verbiage is
On Nov 19, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
See Buddha/Vaj for details about the experiences of approaching ritam
and dealing with that bliss-armor which attracts identification so
well that Indra etc. all get glommed up with perfection's tarbaby.
Unfortunately what most TMer's are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do.rflex,
Please examine if your use of the word Absolute squares with Advaita.
I use the word Absolute as described by Maharishi.
[snip frenetic, manic rant]
Vaj wrote:
The prerequisite for understanding of the YS is a thorough
comprehension sankhya via the Tattva-samasa-sutras.
According to Kapila:
And from the contrast with that which is composed of the
three constituents, there follows, for the purusha, the
character of Being, a witness;
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:20 AM, do.rflex wrote:
I'm not talking about what somebody says *about* the Absolute, I'm
talking about the *experience* of the Absolute. Like I said, Vaj,
without a direct experience of the
How can you possibly know what others experience or do not experience? I
understand your point and I agree that expectation muddies the waters of
meditation, but that doesn't mean that some, eventually, swan-like, get through
that muddy water and come out clean.
Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:01 AM, do.rflex wrote:
I go by *experience*, not TMO propaganda.
TM instruction is TMO propaganda. You cannot be instructed in
authentic TM without being indoctrinated in their set of
expectations. Heck, they'll even try to convince you they've proved
it with
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually it would still possess meaning with or without a direct
experience of the absolute. What's important to get is just
because
someone tells you something represents the absolute does not mean it
is the absolute.
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:
How can you possibly know what others experience or do not
experience? I understand your point and I agree that expectation
muddies the waters of meditation, but that doesn't mean that some,
eventually, swan-like, get through that
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
From here, arguing about meaning and distorted traditions or
attaching any meaning to any tradition is completely laughable:
In this context, tradition means practical tradition not merely
passing on of customs or some habitual cookie-cutter
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
And you're still misusing it's too.
I've always been possessive of my pronouns.
Vaj wrote:
Another way, is through authoritative testimony, the experiences
of others in the practical tradition itself. Particularly in
regard to mental mantra practice, it's very detailed in what
the stages are, what their signs are and what the pitfalls are.
Kaivalya, the ultimate goal
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
From here, arguing about meaning and distorted traditions or
attaching any meaning to any tradition is completely laughable:
In this context, tradition means practical
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
And you're still misusing it's too.
I've always been possessive of my pronouns.
It's a false possession: a misunderstanding to mistake a possession for
a contraction.
Vaj wrote:
In this context, tradition means practical tradition not
merely passing on of customs or some habitual cookie-cutter
teaching.
So, let's figure out what tradition we are talking about.
Guru Dev was a disciple of Swami Krishananda of Sringeri. Guru
Dev was a tantric guru who
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's a false possession: a misunderstanding to mistake a possession
for
a contraction.
And equally, as in your case, to mistake a contraction for a possession.
Not unlike one's attachment to tradition.
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
From here, arguing about meaning and distorted traditions or
attaching any meaning to any tradition is completely
R: In THIS context, any tradition, even a practical one is
baloney. We
don't die by acquiring more and more, we die by ourselves, naked and
Alone.
Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't know about you, but I plan on dying with my clothes ON
(unless of course I happen to be in the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:
How can you possibly know what others experience or do not
experience? I understand your point and I agree that
expectation
muddies the waters of meditation,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
R: In THIS context, any tradition, even a practical one is
baloney. We
don't die by acquiring more and more, we die by ourselves,
naked and
Alone.
Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
I don't know about you, but I
I do have an idea of what you mean, and not just cause I've read Padoux. I had
the personal, daily attention of my teacher for six years. I was only six
years old when I learned, and no expectations whatsoever were ever mentioned.
It didn't occur to me to ask, at six years old, why I should
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
As we see from this world's great religions, lifetimes can be
spent deciding what to wear, what color, drape of fabric, what
shoes
to put on, how to step, in what order progress will be made, what
to
think, how
But there are literally millions of TMers.
At the DC center back in '85 I had a campaign to call the 10,000
mediators who had been initiated in DC. The results were that only a
tiny group, no more than a few hundred had continued the practice and
most of them had gone on to the sidhis. The lone
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
So, it is possible, and I find I often know what someone else is
thinking. But there are literally millions of TMers. You can't
have done enough of a study to determine what percentage of them
are getting it. a
Honestly, I don't
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
So, it is possible, and I find I often know what someone else is
thinking. But there are literally millions of TMers. You can't
have done enough of a study to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
wrote:
As we see from this world's great religions, lifetimes can be
spent deciding what to wear, what color, drape of fabric, what
shoes
to put on,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
So, it is possible, and I find I often know what someone else
is
thinking. But there
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:57 PM, hugheshugo wrote:
Vaj, can you enlarge on this a bit. Who is this we doing the
investigating?
The people I was referring to was a yogini and lineage-holder named
Joan Harrigan and her guru from the Saraswati order, Swami
Chandrasekharanand of Rishikesh. They
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:57 PM, hugheshugo wrote:
Vaj, can you enlarge on this a bit. Who is this we doing the
investigating?
The people I was referring to was a yogini and lineage-holder
named
Joan Harrigan and her
I ask because I'm really not sure if the TMSP is doing me any good
anymore, I don't like doing long progs either, I used to but now it
makes me feel shite, really thick-headed, tired and angry, nothing
easy or relaxing about it.
These are not unusual symptoms for someone with an
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo
richardhughes103@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
So, it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo
richardhughes103@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But there are literally millions of TMers.
Would anyone like to guess how many people practice TM in
the world? I think we would have to start with the numbers
of sidhas. I am guessing that a higher
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I ask because I'm really not sure if the TMSP is doing me any
good
anymore, I don't like doing long progs either, I used to but
now it
makes me feel shite, really thick-headed, tired and angry,
nothing
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
But there are literally millions of TMers.
Would anyone like to guess how many people practice TM in
the world? I think we
---I don't get it. In reply to the statement that if people waste
their lives watching the NFL and drinking beer, Rory said This could
be just what the doctor ordered. Sounds like somebody wants to have
it both ways.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:01 AM, do.rflex wrote:
I go by *experience*, not TMO propaganda.
TM instruction is TMO propaganda. You cannot be instructed in
authentic TM without being indoctrinated in their set of
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
---I don't get it. In reply to the statement that if people waste
their lives watching the NFL and drinking beer, Rory said This
could
be just what the doctor ordered. Sounds like somebody wants to
have
it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote:
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:01 AM, do.rflex wrote:
I go by *experience*, not TMO propaganda.
TM instruction is TMO propaganda. You cannot be
Sometimes is good to take rest of everything... including meditation. To do
program regularly is sort of attachment. Enlightenment is everywhere. I did
not find that doing long program is certain path to enlightenment. From time
to time you can do it. But don't bother if you don't. Mediation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor
matrixmonitor@ wrote:
---I don't get it. In reply to the statement that if people
waste
their lives watching the NFL and drinking beer, Rory said This
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