Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
The CIA would not do their job on behalf of the american taxpayers if they did not check the Movement properly. Keep in mind that Rajneesh was about to go nuts in Oregon with hundreds of armed guards and in 1993 four people were shot dead during the siege in Wacko, Texas. Naturally they were on their toes. When Rajneesh was arrested Maharishi commented; He is really surrounded by the CIA. As if what we were experiencing was nothing compared to what Rajneesh had to go through, their involment there was obviously much more intense than towards the Movement. They had tried the same tactics on himself but failed utterly as Maharishi would change travel arrangements in the last minute. Unfortunately it did not stop with simply trying to find out what the Movement was up to and they moved the operation into one that should hurt the Movement by spreading rumors, much like Rick Archer is doing today, planting false articles in the press, and assassination attempts that had no way of succeeding as Maharishi simply would not be present where and when they thought he would. But at least they were worthy opponents, unlike the desperately look-at-me channellers of today. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : well, of course they infiltrated the group. to what extent, I have no idea. just like they probably infiltrate any number of organizations. try to enlighten your friend Barry, that this type of thing is done. the scenario Nabby puts forth sounds a little extreme, but I have no idea. I was not aware of the things he describes. On the other hand, I was in Seelisberg only one time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group to see what they were about. But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require dozens of CIA agents. Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than trained CIA agents??? Not likely. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, which at the time was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
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planting false articles in the press Show them to us. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 3:19 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement The CIA would not do their job on behalf of the american taxpayers if they did not check the Movement properly. Keep in mind that Rajneesh was about to go nuts in Oregon with hundreds of armed guards and in 1993 four people were shot dead during the siege in Wacko, Texas. Naturally they were on their toes. When Rajneesh was arrested Maharishi commented; He is really surrounded by the CIA. As if what we were experiencing was nothing compared to what Rajneesh had to go through, their involment there was obviously much more intense than towards the Movement. They had tried the same tactics on himself but failed utterly as Maharishi would change travel arrangements in the last minute. Unfortunately it did not stop with simply trying to find out what the Movement was up to and they moved the operation into one that should hurt the Movement by spreading rumors, much like Rick Archer is doing today, planting false articles in the press, and assassination attempts that had no way of succeeding as Maharishi simply would not be present where and when they thought he would. But at least they were worthy opponents, unlike the desperately look-at-me channellers of today. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : well, of course they infiltrated the group. to what extent, I have no idea. just like they probably infiltrate any number of organizations. try to enlighten your friend Barry, that this type of thing is done. the scenario Nabby puts forth sounds a little extreme, but I have no idea. I was not aware of the things he describes. On the other hand, I was in Seelisberg only one time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group to see what they were about. But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require dozens of CIA agents. Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than trained CIA agents??? Not likely. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, which at the time was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have raised. [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts. [Turq]: I'll show those bastards! [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will! [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge! [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be notorious, like you promised?? [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you market that, too... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Note to Lurking Reporters. Dear RP's. Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 years ago? Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff? Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over each day? Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters. Please reveal yourselves, and weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here. One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with another member here a week or so ago. If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a Mr.Blue Bungalow. Mr. Wright went positively ballistic. Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed. Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to anything that goes on here. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have raised. [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts. [Turq]: I'll show those bastards! [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will! [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge! [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be notorious, like you promised?? [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you market that, too... See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. You have the knack, Mac. And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many don't want to admit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Note to Lurking Reporters. Dear RP's. Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 years ago? Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff? Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over each day? Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters. Please reveal yourselves, and weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here. One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with another member here a week or so ago. If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a Mr.Blue Bungalow. Mr. Wright went positively ballistic. Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed. Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to anything that goes on here. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-)
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have raised. [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts. [Turq]: I'll show those bastards! [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will! [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge! [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be notorious, like you promised?? [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you market that, too... On 10/16/2014 9:05 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. You have the knack, Mac. And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many don't want to admit. /Everyone already knows that the magazine science writer is Barry and the lurking reporter is MJ - reporting to John Knapp at the TM-Free blog. They already admitted this on FFL. It's no secret what their agenda is - to get TMers to post some secret information about the private sex life of people that live in Fairfield. Apparently that's the whole purpose of this discussion group. It's not complicated. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Note to Lurking Reporters. Dear RP's. Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 years ago? Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff? Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over each day? Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters. Please reveal yourselves, and weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here. One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with another member here a week or so ago. If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a Mr.Blue Bungalow. Mr. Wright went positively ballistic. Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed. Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to anything that goes on here. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-)
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Steve does some good stand up on here - M. Dixon has some tight one liners - MJ used to, before the plague struck :-( and long gone Priceless Bob had a few zingers, too. Buncha wisenheimers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have raised. [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts. [Turq]: I'll show those bastards! [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will! [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge! [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be notorious, like you promised?? [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you market that, too... See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. You have the knack, Mac. And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many don't want to admit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Note to Lurking Reporters. Dear RP's. Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 years ago? Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff? Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over each day? Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters. Please reveal yourselves, and weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here. One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with another member here a week or so ago. If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a Mr.Blue Bungalow. Mr. Wright went positively ballistic. Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed. Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to anything that goes on here. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-)
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make that three stars! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have raised. [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts. [Turq]: I'll show those bastards! [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will! [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge! [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be notorious, like you promised?? [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you market that, too... See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. You have the knack, Mac. And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many don't want to admit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Note to Lurking Reporters. Dear RP's. Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 years ago? Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff? Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over each day? Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters. Please reveal yourselves, and weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here. One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with another member here a week or so ago. If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a Mr.Blue Bungalow. Mr. Wright went positively ballistic. Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed. Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to anything that goes on here. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-)
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thanks - fun to write, too! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : make that three stars! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : I'll bet Barry's lurking reporters are a couple of out of work twenty year olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: Turq, this will blow the doors off the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have raised. [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: He sure does - lol [Chuck, from The York Times]: This is perfect - All we need is a little more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts. [Turq]: I'll show those bastards! [Tiffany, from The Washington Post]: You sure will! [Chuck, from The York Times]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge! [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be notorious, like you promised?? [Chuck, from The York Times]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you market that, too... See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. You have the knack, Mac. And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many don't want to admit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Note to Lurking Reporters. Dear RP's. Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 years ago? Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff? Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over each day? Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters. Please reveal yourselves, and weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here. One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with another member here a week or so ago. If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a Mr.Blue Bungalow. Mr. Wright went positively ballistic. Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed. Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to anything that goes on here. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-)
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by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder. From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview.* I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com
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the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@... wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder. From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview.* I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
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TM Movement = big on big talk, real shy on right action From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its all about the money Sal - the Movement is trying to protect its pocket book. Of course, and this is one of the last avenues left. The Indies in the UK claim that the actions of Maharishi and the TMO left them unable to make a living due to unfair business practises. So it would be foolhardy to tackle them in open court about that, everyone would get to see what goes on behind closed doors, would be interesting though... But this is a low point for them, I'd be embarrassed to even try and stop people using science when they are using it for the same reasons they use it themselves. The last thing they should be wanting is a reputation for relying on lawyers, talk about undermining the principle of right action and the coherence effects of TM! From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:47 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it. This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they won't obviously. Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were certified by the TMO is irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony and raja Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he crawled from. What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the accepted right way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, and had become an acclaimed teacher of yoga by age 20. Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website. The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,” http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification
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It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
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Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Now our bawee has to spoon feed the imaginary lurking reporters (who are apparently brain dead and illiterate) the supposed facts. Lurking reporters, do you have enough proof now that bawee is a git? From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
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Governors so poor they had anaemia? That's quite a statement all on its own! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
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Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
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German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA Proof positive of a paranoid freak From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
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that someone asked him if it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder. *From:* anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England *From:* anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split.*Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview.* I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
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First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group to see what they were about. But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require dozens of CIA agents. Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than trained CIA agents??? Not likely. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group to see what they were about. They'd be silly not to, especially a group who claim they can influence world events at a distance and without the governments consent. I don't know how long it would take before they came to the conclusion they were dealing with a bunch of harmless fruitcakes. Maybe they had to investigate the financial dealings as well? But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require dozens of CIA agents. Wouldn't be worth their while, not in the middle of the cold war, I'd hope they thought they had better things to do! Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than trained CIA agents??? Not likely. I couldn't imagine a simpler group to infiltrate, all you have to do is learn to meditate and ask to help at the centre and you're in! I worked at head office for years and no one ever asked me anything, they just assumed I was kosher.This trust is one of the nice things about them I think. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
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Note to Lurking Reporters. Dear RP's. Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 years ago? Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff? Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of his life mission uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over each day? Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters. Please reveal yourselves, and weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here. One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with another member here a week or so ago. If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a Mr.Blue Bungalow. Mr. Wright went positively ballistic. Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed. Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to anything that goes on here. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were certifiably paranoid and committed to a them vs. us mentality. I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
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well, of course they infiltrated the group. to what extent, I have no idea. just like they probably infiltrate any number of organizations. try to enlighten your friend Barry, that this type of thing is done. the scenario Nabby puts forth sounds a little extreme, but I have no idea. I was not aware of the things he describes. On the other hand, I was in Seelisberg only one time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group to see what they were about. But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require dozens of CIA agents. Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than trained CIA agents??? Not likely. From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
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Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before. Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely identical ex-TMO. Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this? -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@... wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder. From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group
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From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. Did these guys just never *grow up*? HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught to believe in decades ago? Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before. Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely identical ex
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you miss the point Barry. You are simply a button pusher, with no real interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of people, and assert your superior outlook on life. A funny way to live, but if it brings you some modicum of happiness, then stay with it it, I guess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. Did these guys just never *grow up*? HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught to believe in decades ago? Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique
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teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder. From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview.* I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
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From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.
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sort of a funny comment below, Barry. again, I think it misses the mark, but if that's the way you see it... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.
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He's not happy about it because in his heart, he identifies with Marshy and the legit TMO - after all they are the ones who started it all, and any intimation that their crap is crap makes him feel his life's focus is not kosher and he like all those who revere cults and their leaders can't take the self image bruising that looking objectively at things requires. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before. Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals
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Like Rick said, with friends like Nappy, the Movement don't need enemies. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that the only thing that seems to make them happy is the belief that they're being persecuted. Because if they're worth persecuting, they're important.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and proud of being associated with them. This is getting all so whacked out of joint here. Somehow you have travelled some windy and convoluted road to get to what your post above says when all we did was begin with some George guy who is apparently going to give an audience in some auditorium back East messages from the deceased MMY. There has been a very large and unsupported leap from that fact to what you and others here are positing and implying about Feste and others who don't give a shit about what George has to say. You are making something out of nothing, are things a little slow where you live? Are there no moldering old TM articles which can be brought forth as evidence of the scamming nature of the Movement? Someone, get this man some old newspapers.
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On 10/13/2014 9:06 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and proud of being associated with them. The fact that you read about Hegelin on FFL is more than enough to show that you're still in the cult mind-set, still blustering and posturing trying to salvage the good old feelings you used to have when you were somebody doing something for the Movement and you are still proud of being associated with them, even if you were just a staff member at MIU a long time ago. /YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO BAKE COOKIES ON THE MUM CAMPUS EVER AGAIN!/ You need to deal with it - get some help, report to John Knapp or Gina. *From:* feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 9:43 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 According to a recent poll here in Fairfield, 100% of meditators are not the slightest bit interested in the Hammond thing. Those interested registered at 0%. Details of the poll: conducted between Oct. 12 and 13. Number of respondents: 5. Margin of error: zero. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. Are they? Is it possible that anyone is taking this seriously beyond the fact that a few here are just dying to be able to talk about all of it on Dec 1 here at FFL? I think the Movement Mockers are getting the most mileage out of this so far that I can see but then, I'm not in FF. What are the feelings there of the people you know and talk to, Feste? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the rajas maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. Nice post, this all makes sense to me. Sorry so many of you had to be around for the really crazy years. I bailed back in 1985.
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On 10/13/2014 10:23 PM, Duveyoung wrote: If all the retired initiators got together and pooled their pocket change, they could muster up some slick-ass posters announcing TM courses for $19.95 and tape those suckers up all around town. /There is nothing preventing you from starting your own meditation movement - you can teach anything you want to as long as you don't call it TM. It would cost you only a few dollars to print up a few flyers to hand out in your neighborhood. You should have been teaching yoga meditation to all your friends. What happened to get you locked into the TMer guru yoga? Go figure./ Let's see the TMO reach into their pockets and come at 2,000 ex initiators with their $3,000.00 suited-up Trademark lawyers costing $700/hr. Yeah, right, like they could even have the go-to lackies on staff to put together a war of lawsuits, let alone convince Girish to pay for it. And they'd be too stupid to come up with some response to the 2000 demons attack, that would make lemonade out of it as it hit the headlines. Hit the headlines -- one of my better jokes. The silence would be so DUH. No one cares. But actually, I'm fucking miffed. I studied my ass off to pass checking/puja tests. And then I performed for the TMO with tons of initiations. But no, I'm not a recert, so I'm fucking piece of shit, and if you think I'm exaggerating, then you never had the course office fuck with your head in the most Nazi-esque manner. If you're not bringing in money to the movement you are a stinking fucking turd -- you can feel it in their handshakes. So: with all that l I did and now I can't put up a poster and, what? -- they own my ass? Fuck. That. Shit. If I was still a believer, it'd be worth it to test the TMO's metal on this and see if they'd sue me, cuz even small claims court would cost them several large to get someone to show up in the physical to defend the TMO properties. And they won't do that. Why? Because they know the territory would never produce enough initiations to cover the legal expenses to protect the trademarks. They fucking know that no one can sell TM very well these days, so there's not an actual threat to them -- income-wise. And since no one cares, the dilution of the Trademarks is insignificant, and if the TMO had a vegetable cutter in the kitchen send out legalese sounding threat letters, then that would be about it -- they'd have covered their asses enough to keep their marks their legal properties. Man-o-Man, if any of the biggies wants me to donate a thousand bucks to the TMO, just offer me a nose to target with no repercussions. Yep, I would spend that to konk that honker on Tubby B. Yes, I would. I'd leave my desk right now at 10:20 P.M. and be in Fairfield in five hours flat with cash in hand. Think of the essays I could write after that!
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that too I shouldn't wonder. *From:* anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England *From:* anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split.*Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview.* I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
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dear Richard, imho this is you at your best: the writing is funny and profound and yet not negative in a personal way. Thanks... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: According to a recent poll here in Fairfield, 100% of meditators are not the slightest bit interested in the Hammond thing. Those interested registered at 0%. Details of the poll: conducted between Oct. 12 and 13. Number of respondents: 5. Margin of error: zero. On 10/13/2014 9:06 PM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I love it. Thanks for the reply. So it appears the only ones who are at all interested (shall I say obsessed) with this are those here at FFL who are the biggest TM detractors. Fascinating. By far the impostor MJ and the TurqB have been the most interested in Hammond's November 30 meeting; Curtis may actually attend and sing a song for the audience as a warm up act. What this proves is that the detractors are still obsessed with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Go figure. It looks like MJ and Barry have been obsessed with the person of MMY and his comings-and-goings for a long time - he must have made a deep impression. With his passing I thought the reporters would lose interest in bashing the yogi. What this exchange proves to me is that most of the informants posting here were actually practicing 'guru yoga' for all those years, not TM. Guru yoga has been defined as an obsession with a teacher and his personality. The practice TM of course has nothing to do with MMY or the TMO. So, it may be that MJ and Barry and a few others were in fact not practicing TM - they were just mood-making. Which is why their practice failed to work very well for them, leaving them unsatisfied and bitter. Anyone who can think can meditate, but you're not supposed to try and control your thoughts and try to imagine what Mahesh was doing up in his two-room apartment every minute of the day. http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Guru_Yoga
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On 10/14/2014 7:10 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: you miss the point Barry. You are simply a button pusher, with no real interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of people, and assert your superior outlook on life. /One of the things I've noticed is that some military brats like Barry have a superior attitude - it's a defensive response when they go into dissociation - living in strange circumstances with strangers all around speaking a different language. Sometimes it makes them feel real small and insignificant. Sometimes the paranoia sets in and an expat can feel threatened - wondering what people are saying about them in a foreign language - or maybe an expat imagines that girls don't like his face. / //This is not uncommon - sometimes the brats get real lonely late at night and so they go on social media and Facebook to talk to old friends about the good old days - when they were somebody, even in their own minds. / Sometimes they go through withdrawal - not communicating at social events - sitting alone at a table at a cafe working an iPhone or on a laptop computer up in their bedroom. It's a call for help before they enter total cognitive dissonance and slip into nihilism and despair. Let's hope Barry doesn't slip on the razor's edge. You can tell when someone is old when they talk more about the past than their future./ A funny way to live, but if it brings you some modicum of happiness, then stay with it it, I guess. /Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's not complicated./ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : *From:* Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. Did these guys just never *grow up*? HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught to believe in decades ago? Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions
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So there's the concept: whatever we did have by way of excellencies Maharishi TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT. Damn. Another insight I receive from FFL posters - thanks Duve, I never thought of it that way but you are right. That is the way the TMO and Marshy always approached people and their accomplishments - They did it because of ME! Of Marshy and my Supreme Knowledge! and Buck and Share can't see what a monumental ego that lying bastard had. From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Turq: There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? Hey, I'm pretty fucking cool, and my resentment is that for 29 years, I was always trying to prove to myself that TM was the reason for my impressiveness. Turns out, I was always cool, always a writer/inventor, always creative, always full of hope and love for living. So there's the concept: whatever we did have by way of excellencies Maharishi TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT. Now that's Grand Theft. If you had coattails, the movement wanted a free ride on them.
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and you are being blind Ann - Hagelin obviously felt it important enough to do a preemptive strike and warn TM'ers to stay away - when did you decide that Feste represents the majority of movement TM'ers? From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and proud of being associated with them. This is getting all so whacked out of joint here. Somehow you have travelled some windy and convoluted road to get to what your post above says when all we did was begin with some George guy who is apparently going to give an audience in some auditorium back East messages from the deceased MMY. There has been a very large and unsupported leap from that fact to what you and others here are positing and implying about Feste and others who don't give a shit about what George has to say. You are making something out of nothing, are things a little slow where you live? Are there no moldering old TM articles which can be brought forth as evidence of the scamming nature of the Movement? Someone, get this man some old newspapers.
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thanks for these insights, Richard. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:06 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/14/2014 7:10 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: you miss the point Barry. You are simply a button pusher, with no real interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of people, and assert your superior outlook on life. One of the things I've noticed is that some military brats like Barry have a superior attitude - it's a defensive response when they go into dissociation - living in strange circumstances with strangers all around speaking a different language. Sometimes it makes them feel real small and insignificant. Sometimes the paranoia sets in and an expat can feel threatened - wondering what people are saying about them in a foreign language - or maybe an expat imagines that girls don't like his face. This is not uncommon - sometimes the brats get real lonely late at night and so they go on social media and Facebook to talk to old friends about the good old days - when they were somebody, even in their own minds. Sometimes they go through withdrawal - not communicating at social events - sitting alone at a table at a cafe working an iPhone or on a laptop computer up in their bedroom. It's a call for help before they enter total cognitive dissonance and slip into nihilism and despair. Let's hope Barry doesn't slip on the razor's edge. You can tell when someone is old when they talk more about the past than their future. A funny way to live, but if it brings you some modicum of happiness, then stay with it it, I guess. Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. Did these guys just never *grow up*? HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass
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Ann, imo Richard is a man not a boy. How I know that is he doesn't need my support, rose colored or otherwise! On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:24 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : dear Richard, imho this is you at your best: the writing is funny and profound and yet not negative in a personal way. Thanks... Really? It's Richard at his best alright. You do have rose-colored glasses on m'dear. A boy's best friend. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:28 AM, 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: According to a recent poll here in Fairfield, 100% of meditators are not the slightest bit interested in the Hammond thing. Those interested registered at 0%. Details of the poll: conducted between Oct. 12 and 13. Number of respondents: 5. Margin of error: zero. On 10/13/2014 9:06 PM, awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I love it. Thanks for the reply. So it appears the only ones who are at all interested (shall I say obsessed) with this are those here at FFL who are the biggest TM detractors. Fascinating. By far the impostor MJ and the TurqB have been the most interested in Hammond's November 30 meeting; Curtis may actually attend and sing a song for the audience as a warm up act. What this proves is that the detractors are still obsessed with the Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Go figure. It looks like MJ and Barry have been obsessed with the person of MMY and his comings-and-goings for a long time - he must have made a deep impression. With his passing I thought the reporters would lose interest in bashing the yogi. What this exchange proves to me is that most of the informants posting here were actually practicing 'guru yoga' for all those years, not TM. Guru yoga has been defined as an obsession with a teacher and his personality. The practice TM of course has nothing to do with MMY or the TMO. So, it may be that MJ and Barry and a few others were in fact not practicing TM - they were just mood-making. Which is why their practice failed to work very well for them, leaving them unsatisfied and bitter. Anyone who can think can meditate, but you're not supposed to try and control your thoughts and try to imagine what Mahesh was doing up in his two-room apartment every minute of the day. http://www.rigpawiki.org/index.php?title=Guru_Yoga
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : and you are being blind Ann - Hagelin obviously felt it important enough to do a preemptive strike and warn TM'ers to stay away - when did you decide that Feste represents the majority of movement TM'ers? I don't consider Feste a representation of a majority of movement TM'ers. When did I say that? How would I know that? Is there a single person who is a representative of a majority of TM'ers? One mistake that you tend to make, MJ, is to plop all those who practice TM into a single slot. Every meditator on the planet is an individual whether you want to believe that or not. There are those who live in FF, they would tend to be a tad more on the TM wagon simply because FF is a place where many have returned after having lived there before or are drawn to it because they feel like they will have something in common with the small community. But that aside, I asked Feste what other meditators in FF felt about all of this; after all, he does live there. He answered that nobody he has spoken to gives a crap. So, what is it exactly that you are arguing here? Should TM endorse this George fellow or should they ignore them or should they censure him? What would make you happy? If they censure him you might say they are closed minded and fearful. If they do nothing you might say they are weak and won't take a stand. If they endorse him you might mock them for being so gullible and stupid. Explain it to me.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, imo Richard is a man not a boy. How I know that is he doesn't need my support, rose colored or otherwise! No he does not but you seem to need to be liked by the boys. Just an observation. Wishing you peace and happiness.
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Ann, I enjoy being liked by people I like. Wishing you the same... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:57 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Ann, imo Richard is a man not a boy. How I know that is he doesn't need my support, rose colored or otherwise! No he does not but you seem to need to be liked by the boys. Just an observation. Wishing you peace and happiness.
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Anyone on this forum who would brag about rich and/or famous would immediately be accused of being narcissistic. Best to keep it under wraps. Who knows who lurks behind those mystery handles? :-D On 10/14/2014 07:46 AM, Duveyoung wrote: Turq: There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? Hey, I'm pretty fucking cool, and my resentment is that for 29 years, I was always trying to prove to myself that TM was the reason for my impressiveness. Turns out, I was always cool, always a writer/inventor, always creative, always full of hope and love for living. So there's the concept: whatever we did have by way of excellencies Maharishi TOOK FUCKING CREDIT FOR ALL OF IT. Now that's Grand Theft. If you had coattails, the movement wanted a free ride on them.
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Couple of points you are choosing to believe whatever Feste tells you with no supporting evidence - I believe that Buck posted that the whole thing was THE topic of discussion the day of or the day after Hagelin sent out his confidential communique that was immediately put out all over the Movement by those very same Certified Governors to whom the letter was sent. If Buck is reporting accurately, then Feste is full of crap - who you gone believe? The other point is happily I don't care what these folks do - what they do doesn't make me happy or unhappy wither way. Anyone who is interested in Movement history which I am, is interested in this - its indicative of the very sort of Movement shit that has been happening for decades, its a debacle like so much Movement stuff has been, like Robin Carlsen's schtick. People were interested then and they are interested now - the thing that makes it so curious is why straight arrow TM'er Jerry Jarvis is on board with what is obviously ridiculous - is he doing it just to get back at the people who superseded him in Marshy's affection? Or has he gone round the bend like so many long term TM'ers? We will see. Feste doesn't like it because it is showing the Movement as it really is, just like the pundit riot and the naked greedy money grubbing of John Hagelin et al to solicit $100,000 of donations before they would tell the pundits to do yagya to save England from floods. Feste likes to rest cozy in an illusory memory of MIU and the Movement being something useful. From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : and you are being blind Ann - Hagelin obviously felt it important enough to do a preemptive strike and warn TM'ers to stay away - when did you decide that Feste represents the majority of movement TM'ers? I don't consider Feste a representation of a majority of movement TM'ers. When did I say that? How would I know that? Is there a single person who is a representative of a majority of TM'ers? One mistake that you tend to make, MJ, is to plop all those who practice TM into a single slot. Every meditator on the planet is an individual whether you want to believe that or not. There are those who live in FF, they would tend to be a tad more on the TM wagon simply because FF is a place where many have returned after having lived there before or are drawn to it because they feel like they will have something in common with the small community. But that aside, I asked Feste what other meditators in FF felt about all of this; after all, he does live there. He answered that nobody he has spoken to gives a crap. So, what is it exactly that you are arguing here? Should TM endorse this George fellow or should they ignore them or should they censure him? What would make you happy? If they censure him you might say they are closed minded and fearful. If they do nothing you might say they are weak and won't take a stand. If they endorse him you might mock them for being so gullible and stupid. Explain it to me.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Couple of points you are choosing to believe whatever Feste tells you with no supporting evidence - I believe that Buck posted that the whole thing was THE topic of discussion the day of or the day after Hagelin sent out his confidential communique that was immediately put out all over the Movement by those very same Certified Governors to whom the letter was sent. If Buck is reporting accurately, then Feste is full of crap - who you gone believe? I think we are talking about two things here. I think Feste is saying (and Feste can correct me here) that no one he has spoken to in FF care about George's message from Maharishi from beyond the grave. I think Buck is speaking about something quite different. He is talking about the letter sent out to the Governors from Hagelin. I think the mere fact that Hagelin bothered to send a letter to a select group created interest when there may have been none if he hadn't sent the letter. I think the interest was more in the fact of the necessity in Hagelin's mind to send a letter than interest in what George has to say. But now, the more attention Hagelin and Jerry give to this event the more interest there will be in the whole thing. Great, it could be captivating entertainment - not only the messages themselves but, and even more so in my mind, all of the gyrations people are going through in advance of the actual lecture presentation. The other point is happily I don't care what these folks do - what they do doesn't make me happy or unhappy wither way. Anyone who is interested in Movement history which I am, is interested in this - its indicative of the very sort of Movement shit that has been happening for decades, its a debacle like so much Movement stuff has been, like Robin Carlsen's schtick. Here is where I am confused. What aspect of this is a debacle? The fact that Hagelin and Jerry are saying two different things, or are they? What can anyone really say about this that would be based on anything but conjecture until the poor man (George) has a chance to speak his mind. I mean, I don't believe he is communicating with the deceased MMY but I am only guessing here. For all I know he plays bridge with him every night and watches reruns of The Odd Couple as well. People were interested then and they are interested now - the thing that makes it so curious is why straight arrow TM'er Jerry Jarvis is on board with what is obviously ridiculous - is he doing it just to get back at the people who superseded him in Marshy's affection? Or has he gone round the bend like so many long term TM'ers? We will see. I never saw anything that Jerry said about this. Do you have a copy? Was it posted here somewhere? Feste doesn't like it because it is showing the Movement as it really is, just like the pundit riot and the naked greedy money grubbing of John Hagelin et al to solicit $100,000 of donations before they would tell the pundits to do yagya to save England from floods. Feste likes to rest cozy in an illusory memory of MIU and the Movement being something useful. In what way is this showing the Movement as it really is? I am not actually debating you here, I am just unclear what it is you find so bad that the Movement is doing in this case. From: awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : and you are being blind Ann - Hagelin obviously felt it important enough to do a preemptive strike and warn TM'ers to stay away - when did you decide that Feste represents the majority of movement TM'ers? I don't consider Feste a representation of a majority of movement TM'ers. When did I say that? How would I know that? Is there a single person who is a representative of a majority of TM'ers? One mistake that you tend to make, MJ, is to plop all those who practice TM into a single slot. Every meditator on the planet is an individual whether you want to believe that or not. There are those who live in FF, they would tend to be a tad more on the TM wagon simply because FF is a place where many have returned after having lived there before or are drawn to it because they feel like they will have something in common with the small community. But that aside, I asked Feste what other meditators in FF felt about all of this; after all, he does live there. He answered that nobody he has spoken to gives a crap. So, what is it exactly that you are arguing here? Should TM endorse this George fellow or should they ignore them or should they censure him? What would make you happy? If they censure him you might say they are closed minded and fearful. If they do nothing you might say they are weak and won't take a stand
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and proud of being associated with them. OK MJ, so are you saying that people should take George seriously in his purported ability to basically channel (for that is what it is, he is providing a conduit between Maharishi and others using himself as the telephone wire) MMY and that the Movement should recognize George's messages as valid? What the fuck are you actually saying?? Would you be happier with the Movement if they didn't censure George or if they did? For me, I would have to put my vote on the censure. And if the Movement were to hold any credibility they would have to poo poo it too. I mean, c'mon, this guy is a grandstanding publicity seeker. Whatever Maharishi had to say he most certainly said it while he was alive. Wouldn't it be fantastic if the message from Maharishi was, Weather's great, wish you could be here.
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From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 If that were true, they wouldn't be leveraging Maharishi's name for the publicity. Or appealing to people who still think that Maharishi's name means something...anything. Let's face it...anyone who believes that anything that old con man Mahesh ever said -- alive or dead -- was worth paying attention to is kinda beyond saving. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com
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From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split. Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview. I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com
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the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split. Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview. I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com
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Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview.* I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
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Like I said before, it is Jerry Jarvis' stamp of approval that is giving this event legitimacy in the eyes of many old time TM'ers - not to mention the penchant of TM'ers to believe unbelievable bullshit - that helps too. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com
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Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview.* I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com
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On 10/13/2014 9:22 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. /This must be really embarrassing for you. It has already been established that Sal is a dupe for believing he could levitate, so nobody could expect a reasonable comment from him.//Obviously you are a dupe as well, based on your posting history to FFL. Obviously neither you nor Sal is capable of common sense, let alone understanding the mechanics of consciousness. I sometimes wonder if you two are dealing with a full deck. //Have either of you ever considered getting professional help for your cognitive-dissonance?/ *From:* anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England *From:* anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split.*Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview.* I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. I might add, Nabby, that if either of us is doing something to harm the Movement, it’s you. As others have pointed out, your behavior sets a very bad example as to the effect on one’s personality one might expect decades of TM practice to produce. I hope that by contrast, I come across as fairly balanced and objective. At least I strive to be, but you continue to wallow in your cultish mindset.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder. From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England From: anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview.* I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
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From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
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I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were not meditators before? From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were not meditators before? Yes, many of whom benefit tremendously from it, as I have. It’s not all “lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics”. There are many good people who are not guilty of that stuff, and there is probably a power struggle within the movement between them and those who are. _ From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com mailto:r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY.
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I'm curious, how would you feel about TM if it was today only $125 and maybe taught over a weekend workshop? Or maybe even the first technique free? What bothers you more the money or the supposed link to 'Hinduism'? On 10/13/2014 09:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were not meditators before? *From:* 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM *Subject:* RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *nablusoss1008 *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY.
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Maybe we are splitting hairs here but you yourself offered the opinion that the Movement needed to purge itself of cultish nonsense. I agree that not ALL the things the Movement says about TM is a lie, but a good deal of it is stretching the truth if not an out right lie. Sal summed it up by referring to TM as a gateway drug. You know good and well the Movement leaders want everyone who does TM to swallow it whole hog, get into yagyas, ayurveda over western medicine, buy vedic observatory models and all the rest. If you can see the Movement doing good when they for example offer to do a national yagya for England to prevent more flooding and storms AFTER the rainy season was over and AFTER they asked for and collected $100,000 to do the yagya when the pundits were already living in TM facilites and knew how to do the yagya already, if you see this as evidence of the kind of behavior TM creates or that it is doing good, you have a way different idea of what doing good in the world is. I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is to get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view) From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:44 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:27 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were not meditators before? Yes, many of whom benefit tremendously from it, as I have. It’s not all “lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics”. There are many good people who are not guilty of that stuff, and there is probably a power struggle within the movement between them and those who are. From:'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY.
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It's the same crew that accepts as valid the claim that MMY appeared to the woman in her dreams and begged her to publish her tell all book. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Like I said before, it is Jerry Jarvis' stamp of approval that is giving this event legitimacy in the eyes of many old time TM'ers - not to mention the penchant of TM'ers to believe unbelievable bullshit - that helps too. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
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over the past 9 years, the DLF claims that they have taught 500,000 kids to meditate for free. In 2012, all of 8,000 adults in the USA learned TM, paying some portion of the full fee while with kids, the lion's share of the fee went straight to the TM teachers. It's not a 50-50 thing as with the adult fee, but more like an 80-20 or even 90-10 split, when kids are taught. This suggests that, unless you think that they're planning on huge revenues 20 years from now from all the kids who learned TM at school, that teh TM organization exists primarily to teach TM, not to make money for its own sake. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is to get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view) Absofuckinglutely.
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From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is to get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view) Absofuckinglutely.
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They, including Rick Archer, have several agendas the most urgent is to try to split up and weaken the TMO.
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 They, including Rick Archer, have several agendas the most urgent is to try to split up and weaken the TMO. With friends like you Nabby, the TMO doesn’t need enemies.
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Its the whole ball of wax. TM just doesn't measure up to the hype they make for it. It is a moderately effective meditation that many teachers say has a dropout rate of up to 90% in the first few months. It doesn't produce enlightened people, which is one of the reasons the Movement no longer advertises that it will lead to enlightenment. The practice often leads to mental/emotional problems, which is one of the downsides I think Rick is ignoring when he says the Movement is doing good in the world. I agree that some seem to benefit from it, but to see the entire effect, one has to look at the whole picture and to ignore those who have mental and emotional problems that even lead to suicide is to ignore the whole effect of TM on the population of the world. I don't know of other meditations that can lead to the unstressing you have with TM. In addition the absurd mental states the Movement actively encourages that Sal has commented on leads a lot of people to having major life problems with health, relationships and money. When you encourage people to believe whatever the Movement tells you, when they claim a man has a cigarette addiction because he's a siddha and is self referral and expect you to believe it they are engaging in mind manipulation and really encouraging people to be psychotic or to put it more nicely teaching them to be mind numbed sheep holding their wallets out to the Movement. This is not doing good in the world. They love to sell TM by implying that if you do TM, you will be as successful as the celebrities they love to parade before the cameras on David Lynch fund raisers. They ignore the rough edges of some of them like Lynch, Brand and Stern. They absolutely ignore and hide from the enormities of people like Robin Carlsen, Andy Rhymer, Stephen Collins, Bloomfield, Wallace's ex-wife who shot a woman during program in Los Angeles, Shuvender Shem who murdered Levi Butler right in Annapurna dining hall at MUM. Let's look at the whole picture. I appreciate much Rick has done on many levels but I think he is still wearing blinders about Marshy and about the Movement. Let's look at the whole picture. Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true. Look objectively at both sides, both camps and you have a picture of a meditation technique that taken in moderation and not expecting too much from it will yield positive results for some. When it is taught in the WAY MARSHY himself taught it and the way the Movement continues to teach it it is definitely doing damage to the world. Take out the lies, the bullshit and the Hindu superstitions and practices and its ok, otherwise not so ok. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 I'm curious, how would you feel about TM if it was today only $125 and maybe taught over a weekend workshop? Or maybe even the first technique free? What bothers you more the money or the supposed link to 'Hinduism'? On 10/13/2014 09:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were not meditators before? From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? This doesn't even begin to approach great theater. This is one of the funniest thing you have inadvertently ever written, bawee. Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
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Rick, that has to be one of the best FFL comments EVER!! From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 They, including Rick Archer, have several agendas the most urgent is to try to split up and weaken the TMO. With friends like you Nabby, the TMO doesn’t need enemies.
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I also find it interesting that many who still defend the Movement or think it is doing good or that TM itself is valuable don't actually teach TM anymore and in many cases don't even do TM anymore. That says more about the goodness of TM and its organization than anything else they can say about it. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 I'm curious, how would you feel about TM if it was today only $125 and maybe taught over a weekend workshop? Or maybe even the first technique free? What bothers you more the money or the supposed link to 'Hinduism'? On 10/13/2014 09:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were not meditators before? From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY.
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Jesus, Lawson of course they are counting on revenues coming from people they hope will become siddhas and lifetime Movement fanatics. From: lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 over the past 9 years, the DLF claims that they have taught 500,000 kids to meditate for free. In 2012, all of 8,000 adults in the USA learned TM, paying some portion of the full fee while with kids, the lion's share of the fee went straight to the TM teachers. It's not a 50-50 thing as with the adult fee, but more like an 80-20 or even 90-10 split, when kids are taught. This suggests that, unless you think that they're planning on huge revenues 20 years from now from all the kids who learned TM at school, that teh TM organization exists primarily to teach TM, not to make money for its own sake. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is to get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view) Absofuckinglutely.
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On 10/13/2014 12:14 PM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is to get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view) Absofuckinglutely. /Don't be so quick to confirm an opinion as *absolute* - you've been influenced by suggestion before, remember? ///It has already been established that there's no money in TM - even if you are a TM teacher or a dish washer on staff. /It can be argued that it is not a TOTAL a waste of time to be a door guard for MMY or to bake some crusty bread for the president of MUM. On the contrary, for a narcissist in the pursuit or gratification from vanity you may have derived a certain amount of personal pride from such an endeavor. Case in point.// /
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On 10/13/2014 12:25 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Take out the lies, the bullshit and the Hindu superstitions and practices and its ok, otherwise not so ok. /Prejudice is the judgment toward people or a person because of religion, race, gender, political opinion, social class, age, or disability./
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CORRECTION: Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi http://www.tm.org/enlightenment http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Maharishi on Enlightenment (excerpts from an interview) What is the goal of Transcendental Meditation? Maharishi: “The goal of the Transcendental View on www.tm.org http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its the whole ball of wax. TM just doesn't measure up to the hype they make for it. It is a moderately effective meditation that many teachers say has a dropout rate of up to 90% in the first few months. **It doesn't produce enlightened people, which is one of the reasons the Movement no longer advertises that it will lead to enlightenment.** The practice often leads to mental/emotional problems, which is one of the downsides I think Rick is ignoring when he says the Movement is doing good in the world. I agree that some seem to benefit from it, but to see the entire effect, one has to look at the whole picture and to ignore those who have mental and emotional problems that even lead to suicide is to ignore the whole effect of TM on the population of the world. I don't know of other meditations that can lead to the unstressing you have with TM. In addition the absurd mental states the Movement actively encourages that Sal has commented on leads a lot of people to having major life problems with health, relationships and money. When you encourage people to believe whatever the Movement tells you, when they claim a man has a cigarette addiction because he's a siddha and is self referral and expect you to believe it they are engaging in mind manipulation and really encouraging people to be psychotic or to put it more nicely teaching them to be mind numbed sheep holding their wallets out to the Movement. This is not doing good in the world. They love to sell TM by implying that if you do TM, you will be as successful as the celebrities they love to parade before the cameras on David Lynch fund raisers. They ignore the rough edges of some of them like Lynch, Brand and Stern. They absolutely ignore and hide from the enormities of people like Robin Carlsen, Andy Rhymer, Stephen Collins, Bloomfield, Wallace's ex-wife who shot a woman during program in Los Angeles, Shuvender Shem who murdered Levi Butler right in Annapurna dining hall at MUM. Let's look at the whole picture. I appreciate much Rick has done on many levels but I think he is still wearing blinders about Marshy and about the Movement. Let's look at the whole picture. Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true. Look objectively at both sides, both camps and you have a picture of a meditation technique that taken in moderation and not expecting too much from it will yield positive results for some. When it is taught in the WAY MARSHY himself taught it and the way the Movement continues to teach it it is definitely doing damage to the world. Take out the lies, the bullshit and the Hindu superstitions and practices and its ok, otherwise not so ok.
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On 10/13/2014 12:25 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true. /So, w//ho would you believe? A very large group of people standing on a streetcorner, who all said that they just saw a 'big blue bus' go by.// // //Or,// // //Another, very small group of people, standing on the same street corner,who all said that 'no big blue bus' came by./
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Note that I'm not defending the movement. I can teach meditation myself with a program that is better than TM but I don't push it nor hang a shingle but am willing to teach anyone who is interested. That training and authority came from by tantra teacher. I think TM is Yoga Lite and the way it is not will definitely not work for everyone. Maharishi I'm sure knew that and just figured if it didn't work for someone they'd move on to something just as folks in India find a teaching from a particular guru isn't working for them they find another guru. It's part of the culture. When TM was $75 for an adult to learn that was no problem and it made a good social outlet for folks of similar interest. Our medical establishment often speaks and acts as if everyone has metabolic syndrome just as TM treats the public as they are all pitta. Not everyone has metabolic syndrome and getting caught in such a shotgun approach to treating it can be disastrous if you don't have that problem. Similarly with TM. I wanted to know what was behind TM and I wasn't about to get that from the movement. That I got from other teachers and from a trip to India to demystify that culture. On 10/13/2014 10:29 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I also find it interesting that many who still defend the Movement or think it is doing good or that TM itself is valuable don't actually teach TM anymore and in many cases don't even do TM anymore. That says more about the goodness of TM and its organization than anything else they can say about it. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 12:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 I'm curious, how would you feel about TM if it was today only $125 and maybe taught over a weekend workshop? Or maybe even the first technique free? What bothers you more the money or the supposed link to 'Hinduism'? On 10/13/2014 09:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com mailto:mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were not meditators before? *From:* 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com mailto:r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM *Subject:* RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 *From:*FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *nablusoss1008 *Sent:* Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY.
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But, Richard, it's often gonna be groups of equal size who are disagreeing! Ultimately we each have to come to our own conclusions. On Monday, October 13, 2014 1:01 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: On 10/13/2014 12:25 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true. So, who would you believe? A very large group of people standing on a streetcorner, who all said that they just saw a 'big blue bus' go by. Or, Another, very small group of people, standing on the same street corner,who all said that 'no big blue bus' came by.
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I'm surprised they have this on their web site - but that is a far cry from the focus the Movement had on it before - witness the early days of TMSP where it was said that ALTHOUGH the program taught supernormal abilites, the real reason Marshy taught them was to accelarate the progress to enlightenment - he said the yoga sutras sewed or knit together the fabric of Unity. They don't say that anymore -it became all about world peace since no one gained enlightenment from TMSP (except Robin and Unity Andy) From: anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 CORRECTION: Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi Maharishi on Enlightenment (excerpts from an interview) What is the goal of Transcendental Meditation? Maharishi: “The goal of the Transcendental View on www.tm.org Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its the whole ball of wax. TM just doesn't measure up to the hype they make for it. It is a moderately effective meditation that many teachers say has a dropout rate of up to 90% in the first few months. **It doesn't produce enlightened people,which is one of the reasons the Movement no longer advertises that it will lead to enlightenment.** The practice often leads to mental/emotional problems, which is one of the downsides I think Rick is ignoring when he says the Movement is doing good in the world. I agree that some seem to benefit from it, but to see the entire effect, one has to look at the whole picture and to ignore those who have mental and emotional problems that even lead to suicide is to ignore the whole effect of TM on the population of the world. I don't know of other meditations that can lead to the unstressing you have with TM. In addition the absurd mental states the Movement actively encourages that Sal has commented on leads a lot of people to having major life problems with health, relationships and money. When you encourage people to believe whatever the Movement tells you, when they claim a man has a cigarette addiction because he's a siddha and is self referral and expect you to believe it they are engaging in mind manipulation and really encouraging people to be psychotic or to put it more nicely teaching them to be mind numbed sheep holding their wallets out to the Movement. This is not doing good in the world. They love to sell TM by implying that if you do TM, you will be as successful as the celebrities they love to parade before the cameras on David Lynch fund raisers. They ignore the rough edges of some of them like Lynch, Brand and Stern. They absolutely ignore and hide from the enormities of people like Robin Carlsen, Andy Rhymer, Stephen Collins, Bloomfield, Wallace's ex-wife who shot a woman during program in Los Angeles, Shuvender Shem who murdered Levi Butler right in Annapurna dining hall at MUM. Let's look at the whole picture. I appreciate much Rick has done on many levels but I think he is still wearing blinders about Marshy and about the Movement. Let's look at the whole picture. Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true. Look objectively at both sides, both camps and you have a picture of a meditation technique that taken in moderation and not expecting too much from it will yield positive results for some. When it is taught in the WAY MARSHY himself taught it and the way the Movement continues to teach it it is definitely doing damage to the world. Take out the lies, the bullshit and the Hindu superstitions and practices and its ok, otherwise not so ok.
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The TMO doesn't have real enemies, they don't qualify. But they do have a lot of nutties with big egos who think they know better. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 They, including Rick Archer, have several agendas the most urgent is to try to split up and weaken the TMO. With friends like you Nabby, the TMO doesn’t need enemies.
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None of the nutties with big ego's who think they know better, like yourself, qualify as an enemy of the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:26 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 They, including Rick Archer, have several agendas the most urgent is to try to split up and weaken the TMO. With friends like you Nabby, the TMO doesn’t need enemies.
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Can someone help me with this? Has Barry moved towards the Michael mindset, or has Michael inched up towards the TB mindset. At any rate, they have become absofuckingly indistinquishable from another. Two TM Obsessives who positively live off whatever what is going on with TM. Or, would feed off, be a better phrase. What Barry doesn't realize, when he pines for Marek and Curtis, and (yes, pines away is the right term), is that evidently they do have other interests. You know, the comment Barry often throws out when referring to people he considers TBers, people who have no other lives other than TM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is to get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view) Absofuckinglutely.
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Barry, I'm not sure when you decided to skew everything in such a way to cast a negative light on the TM organization. I think there was a time when you felt as though you could engage in discourse that wasn't 100% agenda. Oh wait, FLASH. The arrival of your acolyte, one Mr. Michael Jackson. Nevermind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
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Do you remember how many people you taught TM to, and what would you estimate the number who were still doing TM a year after their initiation? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Note that I'm not defending the movement. I can teach meditation myself with a program that is better than TM but I don't push it nor hang a shingle but am willing to teach anyone who is interested. That training and authority came from by tantra teacher. I think TM is Yoga Lite and the way it is not will definitely not work for everyone. Maharishi I'm sure knew that and just figured if it didn't work for someone they'd move on to something just as folks in India find a teaching from a particular guru isn't working for them they find another guru. It's part of the culture. When TM was $75 for an adult to learn that was no problem and it made a good social outlet for folks of similar interest. Our medical establishment often speaks and acts as if everyone has metabolic syndrome just as TM treats the public as they are all pitta. Not everyone has metabolic syndrome and getting caught in such a shotgun approach to treating it can be disastrous if you don't have that problem. Similarly with TM. I wanted to know what was behind TM and I wasn't about to get that from the movement. That I got from other teachers and from a trip to India to demystify that culture. On 10/13/2014 10:29 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I also find it interesting that many who still defend the Movement or think it is doing good or that TM itself is valuable don't actually teach TM anymore and in many cases don't even do TM anymore. That says more about the goodness of TM and its organization than anything else they can say about it. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 I'm curious, how would you feel about TM if it was today only $125 and maybe taught over a weekend workshop? Or maybe even the first technique free? What bothers you more the money or the supposed link to 'Hinduism'? On 10/13/2014 09:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I am curious how you feel it is doing good in the world when it has thrived off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were not meditators before? From: 'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of nablusoss1008 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY.
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It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoisebwrote : From: feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as Raja (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original Sexy Sadie Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
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tweedle dee and tweedle dumb. There is plenty to go after, as creative as the TMO is, so they can plow that fertile ground, forever. Every manifestation, has its opposite, that is why balance is so important, because if we choose to, we can focus exclusively on the negative, and it can become quite seductive. Barry and MJ have become enamored of the negative side of Maharishi, and the TMO, and the Beatles' involvement, and the Siddhis, and David Lynch. As Maharishi said, none of us is 100% good, or 100% bad, but a mixture, always, as human beings. It is the way this place is set up. Balance, born of complete acceptance of what is, is the only answer. As MJ and Barry do, anyone can focus exclusively on the negative aspects of *anything*. The technique, as I see it and live it, is to be aware of everything, yet, not be captured, by anything. I was confronted by that, when the rattlesnake came back, yesterday morning. The rule is, if they return, they must be killed. I was thinking about the possibility two nights ago, and asked the king of the rattlesnakes to be here, and suddenly, there he was, reminding me that snakes are fierce, and as uncompromising in their mission, as we are, 3D, full color. That experience then allowed me to fully know the snake, when I next saw him, without fear. I took my hoe from the garage, and chopped off his head - one stroke, and surprisingly, no blood at all. Loving what is, be here now, established in Being, all the same thing. Those that rail against the greatest modern proponent of a technique to awaken that, for all of us, are delusional...and far more harmless than a rattlesnake. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Can someone help me with this? Has Barry moved towards the Michael mindset, or has Michael inched up towards the TB mindset. At any rate, they have become absofuckingly indistinquishable from another. Two TM Obsessives who positively live off whatever what is going on with TM. Or, would feed off, be a better phrase. What Barry doesn't realize, when he pines for Marek and Curtis, and (yes, pines away is the right term), is that evidently they do have other interests. You know, the comment Barry often throws out when referring to people he considers TBers, people who have no other lives other than TM ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is to get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view) Absofuckinglutely.
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : tweedle dee and tweedle dumb. There is plenty to go after, as creative as the TMO is, so they can plow that fertile ground, forever. Every manifestation, has its opposite, that is why balance is so important, because if we choose to, we can focus exclusively on the negative, and it can become quite seductive. Barry and MJ have become enamored of the negative side of Maharishi, and the TMO, and the Beatles' involvement, and the Siddhis, and David Lynch. As Maharishi said, none of us is 100% good, or 100% bad, but a mixture, always, as human beings. It is the way this place is set up. Balance, born of complete acceptance of what is, is the only answer. As MJ and Barry do, anyone can focus exclusively on the negative aspects of *anything*. The technique, as I see it and live it, is to be aware of everything, yet, not be captured, by anything. I was confronted by that, when the rattlesnake came back, yesterday morning. The rule is, if they return, they must be killed. I was thinking about the possibility two nights ago, and asked the king of the rattlesnakes to be here, and suddenly, there he was, reminding me that snakes are fierce, and as uncompromising in their mission, as we are, 3D, full color. That experience then allowed me to fully know the snake, when I next saw him, without fear. I took my hoe from the garage, and chopped off his head - one stroke, and surprisingly, no blood at all. Loving what is, be here now, established in Being, all the same thing. Those that rail against the greatest modern proponent of a technique to awaken that, for all of us, are delusional...and far more harmless than a rattlesnake. :-) Wow, a clean kill. I am not sure what I would have done with it. I might have tried to trap it and move it far away but then I might have been moving it away from its territory where it had a mate or where it would survive best. Killing animals for me is the last resort but then I have never been threatened by an animal in a way that made me either fear for my life or my limbs. There are a few things I kill without too much problem and yet I am still aware that I am ending its life and that is dog lice and mosquitos. Pretty much every other creature is okay by me although if I had to remove ticks or leeches from me I might give them the squish too.
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Yes, I got in touch with 'the boss', and said a deep prayer, before striking. I just ran across my Jed McKenna books, Spiritual Warfare, and two others. In them, he discusses the possibility of a larger cycle of existence, whereby those killed, such as beef cattle, are thankful for the release. He slaughters many sacred cows, through his books, and is worth a look, if one is so inclined. Everything is fine, and the rule of thumb around here, is to always look at the ground, when walking. ...but, you already knew that... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : tweedle dee and tweedle dumb. There is plenty to go after, as creative as the TMO is, so they can plow that fertile ground, forever. Every manifestation, has its opposite, that is why balance is so important, because if we choose to, we can focus exclusively on the negative, and it can become quite seductive. Barry and MJ have become enamored of the negative side of Maharishi, and the TMO, and the Beatles' involvement, and the Siddhis, and David Lynch. As Maharishi said, none of us is 100% good, or 100% bad, but a mixture, always, as human beings. It is the way this place is set up. Balance, born of complete acceptance of what is, is the only answer. As MJ and Barry do, anyone can focus exclusively on the negative aspects of *anything*. The technique, as I see it and live it, is to be aware of everything, yet, not be captured, by anything. I was confronted by that, when the rattlesnake came back, yesterday morning. The rule is, if they return, they must be killed. I was thinking about the possibility two nights ago, and asked the king of the rattlesnakes to be here, and suddenly, there he was, reminding me that snakes are fierce, and as uncompromising in their mission, as we are, 3D, full color. That experience then allowed me to fully know the snake, when I next saw him, without fear. I took my hoe from the garage, and chopped off his head - one stroke, and surprisingly, no blood at all. Loving what is, be here now, established in Being, all the same thing. Those that rail against the greatest modern proponent of a technique to awaken that, for all of us, are delusional...and far more harmless than a rattlesnake. :-) Wow, a clean kill. I am not sure what I would have done with it. I might have tried to trap it and move it far away but then I might have been moving it away from its territory where it had a mate or where it would survive best. Killing animals for me is the last resort but then I have never been threatened by an animal in a way that made me either fear for my life or my limbs. There are a few things I kill without too much problem and yet I am still aware that I am ending its life and that is dog lice and mosquitos. Pretty much every other creature is okay by me although if I had to remove ticks or leeches from me I might give them the squish too.
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I will be there to tape the event! From: Duveyoung no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 If all the retired initiators got together and pooled their pocket change, they could muster up some slick-ass posters announcing TM courses for $19.95 and tape those suckers up all around town. Let's see the TMO reach into their pockets and come at 2,000 ex initiators with their $3,000.00 suited-up Trademark lawyers costing $700/hr. Yeah, right, like they could even have the go-to lackies on staff to put together a war of lawsuits, let alone convince Girish to pay for it. And they'd be too stupid to come up with some response to the 2000 demons attack, that would make lemonade out of it as it hit the headlines. Hit the headlines -- one of my better jokes. The silence would be so DUH. No one cares. But actually, I'm fucking miffed. I studied my ass off to pass checking/puja tests. And then I performed for the TMO with tons of initiations. But no, I'm not a recert, so I'm fucking piece of shit, and if you think I'm exaggerating, then you never had the course office fuck with your head in the most Nazi-esque manner. If you're not bringing in money to the movement you are a stinking fucking turd -- you can feel it in their handshakes. So: with all that l I did and now I can't put up a poster and, what? -- they own my ass? Fuck. That. Shit. If I was still a believer, it'd be worth it to test the TMO's metal on this and see if they'd sue me, cuz even small claims court would cost them several large to get someone to show up in the physical to defend the TMO properties. And they won't do that. Why? Because they know the territory would never produce enough initiations to cover the legal expenses to protect the trademarks. They fucking know that no one can sell TM very well these days, so there's not an actual threat to them -- income-wise. And since no one cares, the dilution of the Trademarks is insignificant, and if the TMO had a vegetable cutter in the kitchen send out legalese sounding threat letters, then that would be about it -- they'd have covered their asses enough to keep their marks their legal properties. Man-o-Man, if any of the biggies wants me to donate a thousand bucks to the TMO, just offer me a nose to target with no repercussions. Yep, I would spend that to konk that honker on Tubby B. Yes, I would. I'd leave my desk right now at 10:20 P.M. and be in Fairfield in five hours flat with cash in hand. Think of the essays I could write after that!
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It sounds like you really got suckered into this enlightenment thing. TM, if anything is a path for those seeking something. You see a teacher, who has something that sounds interesting. You listen to what he, or she says, and decide if you want to take the next step. There is a goal discussed, not only by the teacher, but in different texts, and described in similar fashion by other teachers. I don't think anyone, perhaps other than Barry, took this 5-7 years as some hard and fast promise. If the teacher exaggerated in this regard, then you can hold it against him, and leave. And then from that point on, call anyone else who remains, a True Believer, a cult apologist, a sycophant. Or you take a more mature view, and realize, that you are on the path, and that is pretty cool, and you notice a deepening of your experience over time, along the lines of what the teacher said were milestones along this path. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : CORRECTION: Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi http://www.tm.org/enlightenment http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Maharishi on Enlightenment (excerpts from an interview) What is the goal of Transcendental Meditation? Maharishi: “The goal of the Transcendental View on www.tm.org http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Its the whole ball of wax. TM just doesn't measure up to the hype they make for it. It is a moderately effective meditation that many teachers say has a dropout rate of up to 90% in the first few months. **It doesn't produce enlightened people, which is one of the reasons the Movement no longer advertises that it will lead to enlightenment.** The practice often leads to mental/emotional problems, which is one of the downsides I think Rick is ignoring when he says the Movement is doing good in the world. I agree that some seem to benefit from it, but to see the entire effect, one has to look at the whole picture and to ignore those who have mental and emotional problems that even lead to suicide is to ignore the whole effect of TM on the population of the world. I don't know of other meditations that can lead to the unstressing you have with TM. In addition the absurd mental states the Movement actively encourages that Sal has commented on leads a lot of people to having major life problems with health, relationships and money. When you encourage people to believe whatever the Movement tells you, when they claim a man has a cigarette addiction because he's a siddha and is self referral and expect you to believe it they are engaging in mind manipulation and really encouraging people to be psychotic or to put it more nicely teaching them to be mind numbed sheep holding their wallets out to the Movement. This is not doing good in the world. They love to sell TM by implying that if you do TM, you will be as successful as the celebrities they love to parade before the cameras on David Lynch fund raisers. They ignore the rough edges of some of them like Lynch, Brand and Stern. They absolutely ignore and hide from the enormities of people like Robin Carlsen, Andy Rhymer, Stephen Collins, Bloomfield, Wallace's ex-wife who shot a woman during program in Los Angeles, Shuvender Shem who murdered Levi Butler right in Annapurna dining hall at MUM. Let's look at the whole picture. I appreciate much Rick has done on many levels but I think he is still wearing blinders about Marshy and about the Movement. Let's look at the whole picture. Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true. Look objectively at both sides, both camps and you have a picture of a meditation technique that taken in moderation and not expecting too much from it will yield positive results for some. When it is taught in the WAY MARSHY himself taught it and the way the Movement continues to teach it it is definitely doing damage to the world. Take out the lies, the bullshit and the Hindu superstitions and practices and its ok, otherwise not so ok.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Michael, let me try to clue you in, since you are so fuckin' dense. (pardon my language) There is sometimes a cycle to things. Like grief, for example. Or disbelief for example. Somethings create a bit of stir at first, and then they fade. What would be the exceptions to this? People who obsess about things, and are not able to let go. Or people with an agenda that is impervious to common sense, or who remain locked in to a point of view. Think on it. Maybe pray on it. Some wisdom may sink in. Good luck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical Private and Confidential letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and proud of being associated with them. From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 According to a recent poll here in Fairfield, 100% of meditators are not the slightest bit interested in the Hammond thing. Those interested registered at 0%. Details of the poll: conducted between Oct. 12 and 13. Number of respondents: 5. Margin of error: zero. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on assessing the content, why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. Are they? Is it possible that anyone is taking this seriously beyond the fact that a few here are just dying to be able to talk about all of it on Dec 1 here at FFL? I think the Movement Mockers are getting the most mileage out of this so far that I can see but then, I'm not in FF. What are the feelings there of the people you know and talk to, Feste? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rick@... wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on assessing its content (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
