--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "george_deforest"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Curtis DeltaBlue wrote:
> >
> > When I stopped meditating about 19 years ago it felt a little weird
> > for a few days and I sometimes had to take an afternoon nap
> > since I was used to resting then. But in
> Curtis DeltaBlue wrote:
>
> When I stopped meditating about 19 years ago it felt a little weird
> for a few days and I sometimes had to take an afternoon nap
> since I was used to resting then. But in less than a week
> I felt great and have never desired the state again.
>
> I found that di
In areas where there is no "Recert" many are teaching with Maharishi's
approval. Not all the details about Enlightenment Centers are totally
accurate.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "boo_lives" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
> wro
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curtis wrote:
> > You gotta love it!
> >
> The proof that you were never on the program lies in the
> fact that you thought you were on a program. There's no
> such thing as TM, Curtis - that's just a sill
Thank you Curtis--the feeling is mutual.
You write:
"You have immersed yourself in many cultures and
POVs, so it doesn't surprise me that you "get me". I am not a master
of anything or enlightened in the way that MMY describes. It is the
ability to deeply understand many POVs from people from
Curtis wrote:
> I don't have original sin and I don't have karmic debt.
>
This is some really bad karma:
http://www.suggestibility.org/
"The TM failed predictions of the "age of enlightenment"
and etc. haven't been piling up for as long. I'm sure
that no matter what happens, events will be
> I don't remember who it was that claimed yoga was
> exclusively Indian,
>
According to Eliade, writing in the definitive book on yoga,
Yoga is unique to India. Eliade is a famous author, an expert
on Yoga, Shamanism, the history of religion.
Work cited:
'Yoga: Immortality and Freedom'
by Mi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > This is a perfect example of why I think Vaj hasn't
> > > heard a TM introductory lecture. Is there any "fantastic
> > > razzle-dazzle", quantum physics, or discussion of "whether
> > > or not your hous
Curtis wrote:
> You gotta love it!
>
The proof that you were never on the program lies in the
fact that you thought you were on a program. There's no
such thing as TM, Curtis - that's just a silly acronym,
made up to communicate between dilettantes.
In reality, there is no path, no gate to g
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Curtis wrote:
> > When I stopped meditating about 19 years ago it felt
> > a little weird for a few days and I sometimes had to
> > take an afternoon nap since I was used to resting then.
> > But in less th
> > No, the important thing is that you said it was included
> > in the introductory TM lecture and Mr. Hughes said it was
> > included in the day two TM lecture. You two attempted to
> > mislead and prevaricate.
> >
Vaj wrote:
> Moot point, since it's a required piece of instruction.
>
So, you hav
Angela,
Thanks for sticking up for the idea that a person may leave TM and
there may not be something terribly wrong with him! Telling people
that I chose to leave TM voluntarily after having good experiences
with it and enjoying it for years is an interesting mirror on people.
I learn a lot abou
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2007, at 11:13 AM, hugheshugo wrote:
>
> > No it isn't included in the intro lecture, deliberately too.
Wouldn't
> > want to scare of the punters. You have to wait til day two of
> > checking before you hear al
On Nov 20, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> > No it isn't included in the intro lecture, deliberately
> > too. Wouldn't want to scare of the punters. You have to
> > wait til day two of checking before you hear all that
> > stuff.
> >
Vaj wrote:
> The important thing isn't when i
> > No it isn't included in the intro lecture, deliberately
> > too. Wouldn't want to scare of the punters. You have to
> > wait til day two of checking before you hear all that
> > stuff.
> >
Vaj wrote:
> The important thing isn't when it's mentioned these days,
> but that it is mentioned --
> > This is a perfect example of why I think Vaj hasn't
> > heard a TM introductory lecture. Is there any "fantastic
> > razzle-dazzle", quantum physics, or discussion of "whether
> > or not your house has an entrance on the south side"
> > included in any introductory TM lecture? I think not.
>
On Nov 20, 2007, at 11:13 AM, hugheshugo wrote:
No it isn't included in the intro lecture, deliberately too. Wouldn't
want to scare of the punters. You have to wait til day two of
checking before you hear all that stuff.
The important thing isn't when it's mentioned these days, but that it
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Vaj wrote:
> > They have to hear the current spiel, like it or not.
> > But you do bring up an interesting point, because I
> > do believe if we look closely we'll see an attempt
> > to connect the "gap"
Richard, you talk like a true believer on the basis of dogma. You cannot know
what Deltablues state of consciousness is through knowing him via emails. I
don't remember who it was that claimed yoga was exclusively Indian, and my
question was is the realization that Purusha is distinct from Prak
On Nov 20, 2007, at 10:33 AM, hugheshugo wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2007, at 8:15 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > > SNIPPING some bargage...
> >
> > > They are part of a
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008
> wrote:
> > I haven't slept in meditation for 25 years. As usual Vaj is talking
> > about something he has no knowledge. In other words a fraud.
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I haven'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2007, at 8:15 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > > SNIPPING some bargage...
> >
> > > They are part of a natural cycle of ignorance: awake - asleep -
> > d
Vaj wrote:
> They have to hear the current spiel, like it or not.
> But you do bring up an interesting point, because I
> do believe if we look closely we'll see an attempt
> to connect the "gap" between thoughts, the sandhi,
> to a higher state of consciousness (and furthermore
> link that t
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > > SNIPPING some bargage...
> >
> > > They are part of a natural cycle of ignorance:
Curtis wrote:
> When I stopped meditating about 19 years ago it felt
> a little weird for a few days and I sometimes had to
> take an afternoon nap since I was used to resting then.
> But in less than a week I felt great and have never
> desired the state again. I found that dissociation
> caus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2007, at 8:15 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > > SNIPPING some bargage...
> >
> > > They are part of a natural cycle of ignorance: awake - asleep -
> > d
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> > SNIPPING some bargage...
>
> > They are part of a natural cycle of ignorance: awake - asleep -
> dream
> > - awake -sleep - dream -etc. but samadhi and "
On Nov 20, 2007, at 8:15 AM, nablusoss1008 wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> SNIPPING some bargage...
> They are part of a natural cycle of ignorance: awake - asleep -
dream
> - awake -sleep - dream -etc. but samadhi and "the fourth" (turiya)
> are
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> SNIPPING some bargage...
> They are part of a natural cycle of ignorance: awake - asleep -
dream
> - awake -sleep - dream -etc. but samadhi and "the fourth" (turiya)
> are beyond this cycle. Didn't you ever see the woodc
On Nov 19, 2007, at 3:08 PM, authfriend wrote:
Thanks Judy for the somewhat thoughtful response, but you are still
being reactive IMO.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:01 AM, do.rflex wrote:
>
> > I go by *experience*, not TMO pr
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor"
> wrote:
> >
> > ---I don't get it. In reply to the statement that if people
waste
> > their lives watching the NFL and drinking beer, Rory said "This
> c
Sometimes is good to take rest of everything... including meditation. To do
program regularly is sort of attachment. Enlightenment is everywhere. I did
not find that doing long program is certain path to enlightenment. From time
to time you can do it. But don't bother if you don't. Mediation should
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> > On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:01 AM, do.rflex wrote:
> >
> > > I go by *experience*, not TMO propaganda.
> >
> > TM instruction is TMO propaganda. You cannot be i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ---I don't get it. In reply to the statement that if people waste
> their lives watching the NFL and drinking beer, Rory said "This
could
> be just what the doctor ordered". Sounds like somebody wants to
hav
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:01 AM, do.rflex wrote:
>
> > I go by *experience*, not TMO propaganda.
>
> TM instruction is TMO propaganda. You cannot be instructed in
> authentic TM without being indoctrinated in their set of
---I don't get it. In reply to the statement that if people waste
their lives watching the NFL and drinking beer, Rory said "This could
be just what the doctor ordered". Sounds like somebody wants to have
it both ways.
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
> wrote:
> >
> > > "But there are literally millions of TMers."
> >
> > Would anyone like to guess how many people practice TM in
> > the world? I think we wo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > I ask because I'm really not sure if the TMSP is doing me any
good
> > > anymore, I don't like doing long progs either, I used to but
now it
> > > makes me feel shite, really thick-headed, tired and angry
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "But there are literally millions of TMers."
>
> Would anyone like to guess how many people practice TM in
> the world? I think we would have to start with the numbers
> of sidhas. I am guessing that a high
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, it
> > I ask because I'm really not sure if the TMSP is doing me any good
> > anymore, I don't like doing long progs either, I used to but now it
> > makes me feel shite, really thick-headed, tired and angry, nothing
> > easy or relaxing about it.
>
> These are not unusual symptoms for someone with a
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:57 PM, hugheshugo wrote:
>
> > Vaj, can you enlarge on this a bit. Who is this "we" doing the
> > investigating?
>
> The people I was referring to was a yogini and lineage-holder
named
> Joan Har
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:57 PM, hugheshugo wrote:
Vaj, can you enlarge on this a bit. Who is this "we" doing the
investigating?
The people I was referring to was a yogini and lineage-holder named
Joan Harrigan and her guru from the Saraswati order, Swami
Chandrasekharanand of Rishikesh. The
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
> >
> > > So, it is possible, and I find I often know what someone else
is
> > > thinking. But
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin"
> wrote:
> >> As we see from this world's "great religions", lifetimes can be
> > spent deciding what to wear, what color, drape of fabric, what
> shoes
> > to
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
>
> > So, it is possible, and I find I often know what someone else is
> > thinking. But there are literally millions of TMers. You can't
> > have done enough of
On Nov 19, 2007, at 12:14 PM, Angela Mailander wrote:
So, it is possible, and I find I often know what someone else is
thinking. But there are literally millions of TMers. You can't
have done enough of a study to determine what percentage of them
are getting it. a
Honestly, I don't th
"But there are literally millions of TMers."
At the DC center back in '85 I had a campaign to call the 10,000
mediators who had been initiated in DC. The results were that only a
tiny group, no more than a few hundred had continued the practice and
most of them had gone on to the sidhis. The lon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>> As we see from this world's "great religions", lifetimes can be
> spent deciding what to wear, what color, drape of fabric, what
shoes
> to put on, how to step, in what order progress will be made, what
to
> th
I do have an idea of what you mean, and not just cause I've read Padoux. I had
the personal, daily attention of my teacher for six years. I was only six
years old when I learned, and no expectations whatsoever were ever mentioned.
It didn't occur to me to ask, at six years old, why I should d
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> R: > In THIS context, any "tradition," even a "practical" one is
> > > baloney. We
> > > don't die by acquiring more and more, we die by ourselves,
naked and
> > > Alone.
> >
> Vaj wrote:
>
> > I don't know abo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:
>
> > How can you possibly know what others experience or do not
> > experience? I understand your point and I agree that
expectation
> > muddies the waters of med
R: > In THIS context, any "tradition," even a "practical" one is
> > baloney. We
> > don't die by acquiring more and more, we die by ourselves, naked and
> > Alone.
>
Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know about you, but I plan on dying with my clothes ON
> (unless of course I happen
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
>
> > From here, arguing about "meaning" and "distorted traditions" or
> > attaching any "meaning" to any "tradition" is compl
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It's a false possession: a misunderstanding to mistake a possession
for
> a contraction.
And equally, as in your case, to mistake a contraction for a possession.
>
> Not unlike one's attachment to "tradition."
Vaj wrote:
> In this context, "tradition" means "practical tradition" not
> merely passing on of customs or some habitual cookie-cutter
> teaching.
>
So, let's figure out what tradition we are talking about.
Guru Dev was a disciple of Swami Krishananda of Sringeri. Guru
Dev was a tantric guru w
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
>
> > And you're still misusing "it's" too.
>
>
> I've always been possessive of my pronouns.
It's a false possession: a misunderstanding to mistake a possession for
a con
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
>
> > From here, arguing about "meaning" and "distorted traditions" or
> > attaching any "meaning" to any "tradition" is completely laughable:
>
> In this context, "tradition
Vaj wrote:
> Another way, is through authoritative testimony, the experiences
> of others in the practical tradition itself. Particularly in
> regard to mental mantra practice, it's very detailed in what
> the stages are, what their signs are and what the pitfalls are.
>
Kaivalya, the ultimate
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
And you're still misusing "it's" too.
I've always been possessive of my pronouns.
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Rory Goff wrote:
From here, arguing about "meaning" and "distorted traditions" or
attaching any "meaning" to any "tradition" is completely laughable:
In this context, "tradition" means "practical tradition" not merely
passing on of customs or some habitual cook
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:05 AM, Angela Mailander wrote:
How can you possibly know what others experience or do not
experience? I understand your point and I agree that expectation
muddies the waters of meditation, but that doesn't mean that some,
eventually, swan-like, get through that muddy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Actually it would still possess meaning with or without a direct
> experience of "the absolute". What's important to get is just
because
> someone tells you something represents the absolute does not mean it
> is the "ab
On Nov 19, 2007, at 11:01 AM, do.rflex wrote:
I go by *experience*, not TMO propaganda.
TM instruction is TMO propaganda. You cannot be instructed in
authentic TM without being indoctrinated in their set of
expectations. Heck, they'll even try to convince you they've proved
it with "sc
How can you possibly know what others experience or do not experience? I
understand your point and I agree that expectation muddies the waters of
meditation, but that doesn't mean that some, eventually, swan-like, get through
that muddy water and come out clean.
Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:20 AM, do.rflex wrote:
>
> > I'm not talking about what somebody says *about* the Absolute, I'm
> > talking about the *experience* of the Absolute. Like I said, Vaj,
> > without a direct experience of
Vaj wrote:
> The prerequisite for understanding of the YS is a thorough
> comprehension sankhya via the Tattva-samasa-sutras.
>
According to Kapila:
"And from the contrast with that which is composed of the
three constituents, there follows, for the purusha, the
character of Being, a witness;
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Do.rflex,
>
> Please examine if your use of the word "Absolute" squares with Advaita.
I use the word "Absolute" as described by Maharishi.
[snip frenetic, manic rant]
On Nov 19, 2007, at 10:07 AM, Duveyoung wrote:
See Buddha/Vaj for details about the experiences of approaching ritam
and dealing with that bliss-armor which attracts identification so
well that Indra etc. all get glommed up with perfection's tarbaby.
Unfortunately what most TMer's are condit
On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:20 AM, do.rflex wrote:
I'm not talking about what somebody says *about* the Absolute, I'm
talking about the *experience* of the Absolute. Like I said, Vaj,
without a direct experience of the Absolute, all of your pseudo
scholarly comparative mumbo-jumbo verbiage is meaning
Do.rflex,
Please examine if your use of the word "Absolute" squares with Advaita.
"Absolute" is not Pure Being/amness/soul/mind/pure
consciousness/intellect/heart. These other words are to label the
"portal of the Absolute" the "place" where one waits for Grace to
whisk one into the beyond-the
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2007, at 8:13 AM, do.rflex wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Nov 18, 2007, at 9:59 PM, emptybill wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Empty Bill:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
On Nov 19, 2007, at 8:13 AM, do.rflex wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2007, at 9:59 PM, emptybill wrote:
>
> >
> > Empty Bill:
> >
> >
> >
> > To parrot Vaj: "Any real yogi familiar with Patanjali will be well
> > aware"
> >
> >
> >
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 18, 2007, at 9:59 PM, emptybill wrote:
>
> >
> > Empty Bill:
> >
> >
> >
> > To parrot Vaj: "Any real yogi familiar with Patanjali will be well
> > aware"
> >
> >
> >
> > Patanjali does not discuss the topic of "e
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