Amy,
Have you tried asking on the holisticat.com infectious diseases community forum?
Kathy
Message: 1
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 06:06:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Weight loss
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Message-ID:
Hi Crystal,
You've already given him the ELISA done in the lab (not the SNAP, which is
done at the vet's)? It's hard to tell from what you wrote. A negative lab
ELISA would prove Felv negative.
Note that a negative IFA would not prove anything, as it's skewed towards
false negatives.
for such kitties?
The cat must not be in a lot of pain, as none of the vets so far (a total
of 3) have given her pain meds.
Much thanks for your prompt input,
Kathy
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From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM
Subject: Los
I wonder if Dr. Sam Chachoua would be able to help with Felv, as he has
helped with other retroviruses---or at least their effects (that is, AIDS
from HIV).
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:
Just saw this article.
Treatment for feline leukemia virus
Oh also, perhaps you've already discussed
http://www.lukaska.com/portfolio/brochures/LTCI-product-brochure.pdf ?
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.comwrote:
I wonder if Dr. Sam Chachoua would be able to help with Felv, as he has
helped with other retroviruses
Ask Karineh what three sanctuaries offered to take her Felv+ kitty. One
had a fee of $200, which seems very doable via Chipin.
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:16 PM, kitty4...@juno.com kitty4...@juno.comwrote:
PLEASE CROSSPOST TO YOUR GROUPS.
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY 'ROOM AT THE INN' FOR THIS CAT?
Where are you? Also, please CC the original folks involved.
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO
hideyo.yamam...@msn.comwrote:
Will someone be willing to arrange transportation to out of state if we
are to take her?
--
From:
will be euthanized Thursday.
ill take her..i'm in new york city
*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
*To:* cdza...@gmail.com
*Cc:* Karineh Grigorian petsalon...@yahoo.com;
felineleuke...@yahoogroups.com; aa...@aol.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org;
kitty4...@juno.com kitty4
AM, Westninthst westnint...@yahoo.com wrote:
Is the cat pulled?
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Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a list of transporters on this FB page, as I wrote before:
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id
I'm not a huge fan of vaxes, but what about an intranasal vax or vaxing in
the leg (which you can at least amputate if you have to)?
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Shanda Robertson sha...@well.com wrote:
Thank you everyone for your replies. I had this set on digest so I
didn't see them. I
Your love for her will outlast the stars.
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote:
Through tears I am writing this,Sids has lost another wonderful girl
todayFirefly got her name by chasing fireflies jumping and trying to
catch them before her rescuer got
Also, what tests were used?
On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Sally Davis putty...@gmail.com wrote:
Is she showing any symptoms? It has ben a while since I had a FELV kitty.
For now feed her the best you can. Treat any infections she may get as her
immune system may not fight
them off. Others
From what I know, there are four:
In-house ELISA
Lab ELISA
Lab IFA
PSA
Is this correct?
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
First of all there are two commonly used types of FeLV tests. One is the
in-office ELISA and the other is the laboratory run IFA
I'm sorry: PCR.
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Lynda Wilson longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
I've never heard of a PSA. Is this new?
L
- Original Message - From: Kathryn Hargreaves
khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:43 PM
I was going to try out Dr. Sam Chachoua's serum when my cat died the day it
was being shipped. You can watch his lecture and decide for yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNoT8lb3aIs If yes, I can send you
contacts.
However, even if you could get a reduced fee through Dr. Sam's
Has anyone tried the suggestions on http://www.holisticat.com/crf.html ?
Seems very treatable this way.
Also, people in Los Angeles are gushing about Renavast: http://renavast.com
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:10 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
Here it is:
http://www.felinecrf.org/
There are some who believe dry food causes CRF, so you may want to research
more on this. Try the Holisticat.com site and Googling for other folks.
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Val Green harpestry...@aol.com wrote:
Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription K/D
What kind of litter?
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
Eating litter is a classic sign of severe anemia. Most of my FeLV's died
from anemia. At this point it's probably too late for interferon. That is a
good preventative to boost the immune system, but it
foods and even the Fancy Feast Chicken and Tuna.
I stayed around 230-240 in the phos level on these great charts:
http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html
Holly
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From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tue
food…better that, than losing weight and dying. Natalie
** **
*From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [
mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
*On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:10 PM
*To:* felvtalk
compost bin anb is lightweight and has the same texture as clay . It
is not as dusty as clay also and the cats love it.
Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com wrote:
What kind of litter?
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
Eating litter
Kevin,
Try also:
felineleuke...@yahoogroups.com,
purringpixiecatresou...@yahoogroups.com,
If you send a plea with a picture, I can forward it to national groups.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:26 PM, kevin takac kjta...@wowway.com wrote:
Hi all,
I posted an email to the moderator several
Retest the Felv+s, as the combo tests can be false positives.
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM, czadna sacarawicz
czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com wrote:
Purrs Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day.
you've got us!!
want to hear your thoughts please.
adult spayed FIV +
So sorry this happened to Dublin, but hopefully, he will regain at least
some sight.
I had two cats with severe stomatitis that my vet and I (with the help of
some Holisticat.com advice) cured using just one course of Clavamox and
then supplements. It takes some months, but they were cured.
I agree on the Ketamine. I always ask for gas, and for ferals to be boxed
down.
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
*From:* Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:30 PM
*Subject:*
Anyone: do you have to repeat the Felv vac every year?
On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Vicky Eyal vi...@droreyal.co.za wrote:
**
Hi Everyone
I am new to this list and to the world of Feline Leukemia. We have 3
precious cats, and we found out at the end of last year that two are FeLV
!
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 4:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New and Some Questions
Anyone: do you have to repeat the Felv
How about using Standard Process Feline Immune System Support (and Feline
Whole Body Support) instead of Pet-Tinic, which has a lot of
species-inappropriate things in it?
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Holly Shelton hsshel...@aol.com wrote:
Hi everyone. I am an infrequent poster, except
Process products thanks to my holistic vet and
my regular vet.
On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote:
How about using Standard Process Feline Immune System Support (and Feline
Whole Body Support) instead of Pet-Tinic, which has a lot of
species-inappropriate things in it?
On Fri
Dr. Deva Khalsa claims that tumors will come back at the incision site
unless the animal's immune system has been strengthened enough to deal with
the cancer.You might want to contact her. She does phone consults.
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Marcia Baronda
Thanks for clarifying that there are different forms out there.
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 1:37 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
I beg to differ; I have seen the results of this original formula. This is
NOT the black salve that you read about; it's nothing like it. It's also
not a lot of
Not quite the same format as Yahoo, but there are archives:
http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/
http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Pamela Bell rescuethec...@yahoo.comwrote:
Kitty with Jaundice
The
Natalie and Beth,
Did either of you try my holistic stomatitis protocol? It worked on both
my cats, and the dental tech called it a miracle.
Also, digestive enzymes and unspiced cooked pumpkin is what cured my
long-term diarrhea kits.
Hope this helps.
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:24 PM,
The Chinese Medicine theory my holistic vet had was that if abx helped
(which they seemed to with my cats, and apparently with others'), then that
was cooling the fire coming from the stomach. So, that's why the Coptis
Purge Fire helped, after initially getting the heat coming from the stomach
If you search for No Kill in Facebook, you'll get a lot of organizations,
both (inter)national, by state, and by town. In particular, look at:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Kill-Coalition-Crossposting/220666988020410
You can also search for Crossposter and get a lot of other pages for
Go for it! ;-)
You probably need to include transport and fostering in your system.
Fostering is super important in getting animals out of the pounds. If
anyone has any suggestions for how an iPhone app to get fosters should
function, let me know!
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Terri
Got it.
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:43 PM, James G Wilson phaed...@charter.netwrote:
Hey all,
Let me know if you get this message. I think there are still
some problems with the list. Haven't received any mail
since the host said they fixed the problem. Sorry for the
inconvenience. Best.
There's no tests for FIP, but you can try nosodes, or calling Dr. Deva
Khalsa (purportedly a vet who can cure FIP). Try joining WholeCatHealth
for more information. They've been discussing the Winn Foundation FIP
studies.
On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Lynda Wilson
The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree
there, to live in it, so yes, they can climb.
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler venus7ora...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just
restarted the dry food after two
I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . .
-- Forwarded message --
From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
One approach you can take with the bosses (usually
Also check out this page: http://www.holisticat.com/flutd.html
Renavast is supplements (amino acids, mostly), not a drug, so if you're
going the natural way, you may as well check out the above. People around
here (Los Angeles) have had really good results. One of my vets endorses
it. The
You get it via mail from Torrance, CA. http://www.renavast.com/order-now
It costs around 50 cents/cap and comes in 60 capsule bottles.
Are you free feeding the ferals (outside?)? When I consulted with someone
about giving it to my colonies (because people feed them kibble and some
are getting
in
compliance. I think that ignorance is our worst enemy. Even when we get
good ordinances, they don't work because no one knows about them.
--
*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, June 3, 2012 5:28
to purchase the permit. Nasty little tricks.
People who have received a citation in the past for having over the
permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing the permit.
More
nonsense.
From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk
~
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From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc:
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:21:00 -0800
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters
What do you mean by ``rules''? Laws? If they are not in compliance
with laws, then turn them
is really easy to forget, actually, but
really wonderful to be able to use for all being a FEDERAL STATUTE, and
there are a lot of rescuers in here.
~Kat~
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc:
Date
Lorrie,
Does it work to give your Herpes kitty more Lysine per day? It did with
mine.
Kathy
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:
Briefly I chose to foster 3 kittens with significant conjunctivitis
from
the local pound about 2 weeks and 2 days ago.
Actually, the good news is that the first two years are purportedly
analogous to our becoming adults, e.g., ~24, so they lived the best years
of their lives. Fun calculator here:
http://www.purina.co.uk/content/your-cat/understanding-your-cat/as-your-cat-ages/your-cat%27s-age-in-human-years
On
Lee, would you like me to send you my holistic stomatitis protocol? It
worked on both my cats (not Felv+, though), one of which had it so bad that
blood spurted out his mouth whenever he opened it.
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote:
A false negative is
Holistic Stomatitis Protocol
Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones. These
the supplements we've been using, but it doesn't mean some aren't
optional. What seemed to turn things around was one course of antibiotics
along with Coptis Purge Fire. You may have to
to use on cats who would allow me to do this!*
*Natalie =^..^=*
* *
*From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves
*Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:46 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk
] *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves
*Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:46 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis
Holistic Stomatitis Protocol
Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones. These
the supplements we've been using
Were you doing steroids all through this process?
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.comwrote:
Snowy had three separate procedures -- the first to extract teeth, then
when that did not solve the problem she had the first laser treatment, and
then she went back
The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself,
using balanced recipes online (I can send you links and my own recipe, if
you like). I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could
otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best
[mailto:
felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:10 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply
The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself
Isn't it impossible to diagnose FIP?
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote:
Oh, no – poor baby! I am so sorry!
The vet couldn’t think of trying anything else?
I also found that when they don’t respond to antibiotics, toxoplasmosis
may be present, and it
See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html That site also has diet recipes, or
you could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found on
other sites). Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat litterbox?).
I found that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity up, but
and capsules of cranberry extract for this type of situation. Not sure
cats and cranberries would get along very well but you might google that
also.
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!
--
*From:* Kathryn
Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies
very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but
unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can
give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who
a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and
chicken. So they eat my corn and tofu. Weird world.
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!
--
*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
!
--
*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies
very well, much less
weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!
--
*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition
Not only are corn, wheat
Check out Dr. Deva Khalsa, author of The Natural Dog. I don't recommend
her for homeopathics, but she is very up on research and does telephone
consultations.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:23 PM, longhornf...@verizon.net wrote:
:( my other dachshund is on Royal Canine Hepatic for her micro
Yes, I use baby food (without onions and garlic, of course). Not the
best, but it goes through a syringe!
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good!
Well, it's the exact opposite. The only one
Nutro is pretty awful stuff, too. The best canned food out there is
Merrick Before Grain, and even that has carageenan in it. You may also
have to add some pumpkin/veggies (5%). It's unknown if it's balanced in
terms of Phos:Ca, as the company isn't very forthcoming.
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at
Of what did the big kitty die? I've heard of cats living beyond 30 years,
and often wonder if we fed them correctly that they wouldn't routinely live
to at least somewhere between 20 and 30 years. Some people think cats
just have weak kidneys, but if they did, their species wouldn't have
Purportedly egg yolk lethicin dissolves hairballs, but I've not tried it.
On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 1:40 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
My guys are not too crazy about Royal Canindry or canned SD. They do like
Royal Cannin Extreme Hairball dry. I don't feed it as food, but as a
treat. It
Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species
will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat,
despite predation (of any sort). This is why if you want to reduce a
species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized
ones take
...@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
*On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting
** **
Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species
Also: http://www.*pawproject*.*org*/ http://www.pawproject.org/
Technically, it's like getting your fingers cut off at the first knuckle,
except that all that cats have for fingers are their claws. So it's really
like having all your entire fingers (and thumbs) cut off, so you can't pick
up
...@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
*On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting
** **
Does this happen with all species?
** **
I think the best thing to do
The Jains eat only things that fall from the plants, so the plants don't
get killed. After I read this, I quit eating root veggies. On the other
hand, they do not believe in keeping pets, much along the lines of PeTA,
except they don't kill them.
Have you seen this book? It may be a key to
I'm not a big fan of spot-on flea meds, either, as it only makes scientific
sense that some will survive and be resistant to the poison (as with
bacteria and abx).
I've only had to use them (Advantage, which my vet said is the safest for
cats, but your mileage may vary) once when we had a flea
Advantage is safer than is Revolution for cats, or so my then-vet said.
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
I GOT rEVOLUTION ONCE AND IT CAUSED THEM TO LOOSE THEIR HAIR AT THE
APPLICATION POINT. THEN THE HAIR CAME BACK IN SNOW WHITE. NOT TOO FOUND
OF THAT. VET
Either try a serum from Dr. Chachoua or give pain meds, if they would help.
Is it in her lungs? If fluid is building up around them from the cancer,
then have them tapped often enough so she is not in respiratory distress.
Cats really do not handle that well.
On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:14 AM,
I wonder if you should try to get a tubal ligation instead, as a recent
study indicates that longevity is tied to keeping the ovaries:
http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html
I'd avoid the vaxes, as the immune system is already wonked.
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Maryam Ulomi
Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or
does your law not allow that?
Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same
contents with different labels. And that experiments have shown the
rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life.
Just note that with cats, who lack the liver enzyme to process toxins the
way humans and doggies can, the toxic buildup is over time.
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:
I've been using Revolution on my 13 house rescues for a yr now with no
problems. Age ranges
it as
sufficient. The vets make money on the vaccinations every year. Why
should they stop a good cash cow (or cat)?
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!
--
*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
.
On 10-06, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote:
Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same
contents with different labels. Â And that experiments have shown the
rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life
You can also just vax for Panleuk only.
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote:
Mine were not symptomatic at the time they got the FVRCP. They became
symptomatic immediately afterward. If there is a huge risk of getting
panleukopenis (sp?) You might want to take
Too bad their FB page doesn't allow comments.
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.comwrote:
I know this sounds minor, but their cat litter ( I bought it in my small
town because I'm 30 miles from a Walmart, and was in desperate need),
anyway, their cat litter
I'm curious as to how much you are spending per day per cat feeding dry. I
am able to feed raw for 70 cents/day per cat. If you didn't buy the
chicken from Whole Foods, which charges about twice as much as do, say
local ethnic butchers, then you could roll in for around half that.
I've heard
will probably have to keep buying the Kirkland and just work harder.
Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty
neighbors too!
--
*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Thursday, October 11
Remember, rabbits don't produce Taurine the way cats don't, so if you feed
rabbits again, add Taurine. Cats died in studies where they were only fed
rabbit.
I have forgotten to get meat out of the freezer, but put it in a plastic
bag and float it in cold water. That defrosts it really
They do eat by-products when they eat the whole prey, but they are getting
all the rest, too, which they don't get with just by-products (where the
good stuff has been taken out for human consumption). By-products contain
much less nutrition and are often indigestible. Note that cats also get
Yes, searing the raw meat is a good way to get the smell factor up. I had
one cat that took six months to get off kibble and onto raw.
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.comwrote:
I tried raw with my 15 year old calico a few years ago. She wouldn't
touch
Islay, you can do that yourself. Click on the second link below and it
will take you to the page where you can manage your subscription.
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Islay Mulcahy saarahstem...@gmail.comwrote:
Please remove my name and address from your mailing list.
Thank you.
--
They're still selling the from-China chicken breast doggie treats that
killed/sickened lots of animals, only because the FDA can't figure out
what's wrong with them.
On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
Thanks, just spread the word on it, post on FB, etc. – I did.
Actually, a lot of ferals live on/supplement with insects. We don't have
water bugs inside here, but I've seen them around, so the cats must be
eating them.(BTW, just read that insects are the healthiest meat humans
can eat, as they are low-fat and animal fat is hard on humans.)
On Sat,
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*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Friday, October 12, 2012 4:36 PM
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
They do eat by-products when they eat the whole prey, but they are getting
all the rest, too, which they don't get
I spend half again that much.However, it's not a numbers game, it's
what you can handle. I know of someone who has 40 colonies in three
cities. She gets up at 2:30 a.m. each morning to do half each day, and
then goes to work full time. (BTW, she spends $1000/month on mostly
kibble.)
Do
Sending again. Gmail makes it difficult to trim posts, as it doesn't show
everything.
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From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
They make these available afterwards as videos:
http://www.maddiesfund.org/Resource_Library/Maddies_Video_Library/Shelter_Medicine_Videos.html
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
Will they ahve something in print for those of us who cannot go to this?
Would like to
What pound was this?
That's one of the only good things about the pounds around here is that
they don't test for FIV/Felv, so then they don't kill for it. Of course,
I think they should test, and still not kill for it.
These are the open-admission No Kill (saving 90%+) shelters in the U.S.:
by the local municipality.
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/
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*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Cc:* Alev Durmus alev_dur...@yahoo.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:19 PM
shelter killing FeLV+ cat
According to her email it wasn't a pound, it was a so-called no-kill
shelter.
Pounds are usually owned by the local municipality.
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/
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*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves
Yes, and some have even gone so far as to define ``adoptable'' as those for
which they have cages! Outta space, outta luck.
As Christine probably knows, there are over 200 cities/towns that are now
No Kill. As for No Kill places being hard to find, at least someone is
looking for them. In
Los Angeles. Neither the city not the county pounds test.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 9:11 AM, CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.comwrote:
around here doesn't say where you are??
*From:* Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Tuesday
Although that could be a good warning shot, they may just ignore you and
not doing anything.
The way to change things is to go to, say, the city council, or whomever
hired them, and tell them you do not like what this pound is doing.
Whatever you do, act professional. Dress professionally and
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