Re: [Felvtalk] lizardmarsh.net

Hi Crystal, You've already given him the ELISA done in the lab (not the SNAP, which is done at the vet's)? It's hard to tell from what you wrote. A negative lab ELISA would prove Felv negative. Note that a negative IFA would not prove anything, as it's skewed towards false negatives. Alternate

Re: [Felvtalk] [FelineLeukemia] Fwd: Los Angeles, CA -- UPDATE: Chipin! Possible Felv+ kitty with bad eye growing every day needs foster/adopter by January 4th [1 Attachment]

r do you let them die on their own? > > Do sanctuaries take kitties this far along? > > Are there hospice places for such kitties? > > > The cat must not be in a lot of pain, as none of the vets so far (a total > of 3) have given her pain meds. > > > Much thanks for yo

Re: [Felvtalk] News from Winn Foundation on Possible Treatment of FeLV

I wonder if Dr. Sam Chachoua would be able to help with Felv, as he has helped with other retroviruses---or at least their effects (that is, AIDS from HIV). On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Sharyl wrote: > Just saw this article. > Treatment for feline leukemia virus > > http://winnfelinehealth.bl

Re: [Felvtalk] News from Winn Foundation on Possible Treatment of FeLV

Oh also, perhaps you've already discussed http://www.lukaska.com/portfolio/brochures/LTCI-product-brochure.pdf ? On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: > I wonder if Dr. Sam Chachoua would be able to help with Felv, as he has > helped with other retroviruses---

Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.

Ask Karineh what three sanctuaries offered to take her Felv+ kitty. One had a fee of $200, which seems very doable via Chipin. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:16 PM, kitty4...@juno.com wrote: > PLEASE CROSSPOST TO YOUR GROUPS. > > DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY 'ROOM AT THE INN' FOR THIS CAT? PLEASE DIRECTLY

Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old

Where are you? Also, please CC the original folks involved. On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 12:35 PM, HIDEYO YAMAMOTO wrote: > Will someone be willing to arrange transportation to out of state if we > are to take her? > > -- > From: korruptaki...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 11

Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.

Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday. > > ill take her..i'm in new york city > > *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves > *To:* cdza...@gmail.com > *Cc:* Karineh Grigorian ; > felineleuke...@yahoogroups.com; aa...@aol.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; > "kitty4...

Re: [Felvtalk] Felv+ 15 year old will be euthanized Thursday.

12 at 3:20 AM, Westninthst wrote: > Is the cat pulled? > > > Sent via my Samsung Transform Ultra from Boost Mobile > > > Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: > > > There is a list of transporters on this FB page, as I wrote before: > https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_i

Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociable companion for their FeLV+ cat?

I'm not a huge fan of vaxes, but what about an intranasal vax or vaxing in the leg (which you can at least amputate if you have to)? On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Shanda Robertson wrote: > Thank you everyone for your replies. I had this set on digest so I > didn't see them. I am just learni

Re: [Felvtalk] Firefly Please add to the CLS :(

Your love for her will outlast the stars. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Sherry DeHaan wrote: > Through tears I am writing this,Sids has lost another wonderful girl > todayFirefly got her name by chasing fireflies jumping and trying to > catch them before her rescuer got her off the street

Re: [Felvtalk] My heart is broken

Also, what tests were used? On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 12:13 PM, Sally Davis wrote: > Is she showing any symptoms? It has ben a while since I had a FELV kitty. > For now feed her the best you can. Treat any infections she may get as her > immune system may not fight > them off. Others here may advis

Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA & IFA Tests:

>From what I know, there are four: In-house ELISA Lab ELISA Lab IFA PSA Is this correct? On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: > First of all there are two commonly used types of FeLV tests. One is the > in-office ELISA and the other is the laboratory run IFA test. Both types > te

Re: [Felvtalk] ELISA & IFA Tests:

I'm sorry: PCR. On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: > I've never heard of a PSA. Is this new? > > L > - Original Message - From: "Kathryn Hargreaves" > > To: > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:43 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk]

Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

I was going to try out Dr. Sam Chachoua's serum when my cat died the day it was being shipped. You can watch his lecture and decide for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNoT8lb3aIs If yes, I can send you contacts. However, even if you could get a reduced fee through Dr. Sam's foundatio

Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

Has anyone tried the suggestions on http://www.holisticat.com/crf.html ? Seems very treatable this way. Also, people in Los Angeles are gushing about Renavast: http://renavast.com On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:10 AM, GRAS wrote: > Here it is: > > http://www.felinecrf.org/ > > ** ** > > I

Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

There are some who believe dry food causes CRF, so you may want to research more on this. Try the Holisticat.com site and Googling for other folks. On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Val Green wrote: > Thanks, Natalie and all who responded. I've got Manny on prescription K/D > dry food, baby foo

Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

What kind of litter? On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Beth wrote: > Eating litter is a classic sign of severe anemia. Most of my FeLV's died > from anemia. At this point it's probably too late for interferon. That is a > good preventative to boost the immune system, but it takes a while to start

Re: [Felvtalk] Tanya's CRF Site

Diet foods and even the Fancy Feast Chicken and Tuna. > I stayed around 230-240 in the phos level on these great charts: > http://binkyspage.tripod.com/CanFoodNew.html > > Holly > > -Original Message- > From: Kathryn Hargreaves > To: felvtalk > Sent: Tue

Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

our question? > > Natalie > > ** ** > > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:50 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > *Subject:* R

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Tanya's CRF Site

another > food…better that, than losing weight and dying. Natalie > > ** ** > > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [ > mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 9:10 PM > > *To:

Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

its > own compost bin anb is lightweight and has the same texture as clay . It > is not as dusty as clay also and the cats love it. > > > Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: > > What kind of litter? > > > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Beth wrote: > > &

Re: [Felvtalk] Blacki

Kevin, Try also: felineleuke...@yahoogroups.com, purringpixiecatresou...@yahoogroups.com, If you send a plea with a picture, I can forward it to national groups. On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 2:26 PM, kevin takac wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I posted an email to the moderator several days ago but I h

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Retest the Felv+s, as the combo tests can be false positives. On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:34 PM, czadna sacarawicz < czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Purrs & Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day. > > you've got us!! > > want to hear your thoughts please. > > adult spayed

Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind

So sorry this happened to Dublin, but hopefully, he will regain at least some sight. I had two cats with severe stomatitis that my vet and I (with the help of some Holisticat.com advice) cured using just one course of Clavamox and then supplements. It takes some months, but they were cured. Th

Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind

I agree on the Ketamine. I always ask for gas, and for ferals to be boxed down. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > > > *From:* Lee Evans > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2012 1:30 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from su

Re: [Felvtalk] New and Some Questions

Anyone: do you have to repeat the Felv vac every year? On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 6:46 AM, Vicky Eyal wrote: > ** > Hi Everyone > > I am new to this list and to the world of Feline Leukemia. We have 3 > precious cats, and we found out at the end of last year that two are FeLV > positive, and of th

Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind

They put the trap/carrier into a box that has the gas flowing into it. On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:01 PM, MaiMaiPG wrote: > What do you mean "boxed down?" > > On Feb 15, 2012, at 2:58 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: > > I agree on the Ketamine. I always ask for gas, and

Re: [Felvtalk] FIP

, in poor health > in general. Lee > > > > > > > > From: GRAS > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 7:40 PM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New and Some Questions > > > > > > > > YES! > > > >

Re: [Felvtalk] Oliver has an eye infection

How about using Standard Process Feline Immune System Support (and Feline Whole Body Support) instead of Pet-Tinic, which has a lot of species-inappropriate things in it? On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Holly Shelton wrote: > > Hi everyone. I am an infrequent poster, except maybe for giving

Re: [Felvtalk] Oliver has an eye infection

oducts thanks to my holistic vet and > my regular vet. > On Feb 17, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: > > How about using Standard Process Feline Immune System Support (and Feline > Whole Body Support) instead of Pet-Tinic, which has a lot of > species-inappropriate things

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: My Siggie

Dr. Deva Khalsa claims that tumors will come back at the incision site unless the animal's immune system has been strengthened enough to deal with the cancer.You might want to contact her. She does phone consults. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > Natalie > My brothe

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 7, Issue 29

While I did not have as good of an experience of Dr. Khalsa as have others, note that these blogs could be biased, too. Even allopathic doctors can be criticized by such, sometimes for purely for political/economic reasons. Often, you have to follow the money. I know of an animal who had multi

Re: [Felvtalk] Black salve

Thanks for clarifying that there are different forms out there. On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 1:37 PM, GRAS wrote: > I beg to differ; I have seen the results of this original formula. This is > NOT the black salve that you read about; it's nothing like it. It's also > not a lot of money ($30) and la

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 8, Issue 28

Not quite the same format as Yahoo, but there are archives: http://felineleukemia.org/pipermail/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org/ On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Pamela Bell wrote: > > > Kitty with Jaundice > > > The vet said there w

Re: [Felvtalk] Bio-Sponge

Natalie and Beth, Did either of you try my holistic stomatitis protocol? It worked on both my cats, and the dental tech called it a miracle. Also, digestive enzymes and unspiced cooked pumpkin is what cured my long-term diarrhea kits. Hope this helps. On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Natalie

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis/Bartonaella link and treatment

The Chinese Medicine theory my holistic vet had was that if abx helped (which they seemed to with my cats, and apparently with others'), then that was cooling the fire coming from the stomach. So, that's why the Coptis Purge Fire helped, after initially getting the heat coming from the stomach do

Re: [Felvtalk] NYC: pathetic maybe-FeLV needs foster/adopter

If you search for No Kill in Facebook, you'll get a lot of organizations, both (inter)national, by state, and by town. In particular, look at: http://www.facebook.com/pages/No-Kill-Coalition-Crossposting/220666988020410 You can also search for Crossposter and get a lot of other pages for crosspo

Re: [Felvtalk] NYC: pathetic maybe-FeLV needs foster/adopter

Go for it! ;-) You probably need to include transport and fostering in your system. Fostering is super important in getting animals out of the pounds. If anyone has any suggestions for how an iPhone app to get fosters should function, let me know! On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 2:57 AM, Terri Brow

Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list again

Got it. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 6:43 PM, James G Wilson wrote: > Hey all, > > Let me know if you get this message. I think there are still > some problems with the list. Haven't received any mail > since the host said they fixed the problem. Sorry for the > inconvenience. Best. > > James G. Wilso

Re: [Felvtalk] What could it be?

There's no tests for FIP, but you can try nosodes, or calling Dr. Deva Khalsa (purportedly a vet who can cure FIP). Try joining WholeCatHealth for more information. They've been discussing the Winn Foundation FIP studies. On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Lynda Wilson wrote: > ** > Oh no! I c

Re: [Felvtalk] RACCOON GETTING INTO CAT STATION/reply/reply

The raccoons near one of my colonies climb the 3-story-high palm tree there, to live in it, so yes, they can climb. On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 3:44 AM, dot winkler wrote: > Hi - That's an idea. I'm waiting to see if the coon returns. I just > restarted the dry food after two weeks of not putting

[Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters

I trimmed this so maybe it will go through. . . -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves Date: Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat shelters To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org One approach you can take with the bosses (usually the city councils) of the

Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats

Also check out this page: http://www.holisticat.com/flutd.html Renavast is supplements (amino acids, mostly), not a drug, so if you're going the natural way, you may as well check out the above. People around here (Los Angeles) have had really good results. One of my vets endorses it. The Hol

Re: [Felvtalk] RenAvast for cats

You get it via mail from Torrance, CA. http://www.renavast.com/order-now It costs around 50 cents/cap and comes in 60 capsule bottles. Are you free feeding the ferals (outside?)? When I consulted with someone about giving it to my colonies (because people feed them kibble and some are getting

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters

ening them with reporting them when > there's nothing to report because the cat caregivers are actually in > compliance. I think that ignorance is our worst enemy. Even when we get > good ordinances, they don't work because no one knows about them. > > ---

Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters

hen > it makes sense to reduce the legal limit so that a number of people are now > over the limit and have to purchase the permit. Nasty little tricks. > People who have received a citation in the past for having over the > permissible limit of cats/dogs are prohibited from purchasing t

Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983

rescuers in here. > > ~Kat~ > > >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Kathryn Hargreaves >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Cc: >> Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 18:21:00 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fwd: Cat shelters >> What do yo

Re: [Felvtalk] Section 1983

. (Not that it does any good > at all, now, but ... whatever. lol) > > I did not intend to correct any person in particular, just wanted to > mention the name of the law, which is really easy to forget, actually, but > really wonderful to be able to use for all being

Re: [Felvtalk] off topic - - removing kitten's eye

Lorrie, Does it work to give your Herpes kitty more Lysine per day? It did with mine. Kathy On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > Briefly I chose to "foster" 3 kittens with significant conjunctivitis > from > > the local pound about 2 weeks and 2 days ago. That was on a Saturda

Re: [Felvtalk] FelV positive kittens

Actually, the good news is that the first two years are purportedly analogous to our becoming adults, e.g., ~24, so they lived the best years of their lives. Fun calculator here: http://www.purina.co.uk/content/your-cat/understanding-your-cat/as-your-cat-ages/your-cat%27s-age-in-human-years On T

Re: [Felvtalk] Sick FeLV+ Kitten

Lee, would you like me to send you my holistic stomatitis protocol? It worked on both my cats (not Felv+, though), one of which had it so bad that blood spurted out his mouth whenever he opened it. On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > A false negative is possible but not proba

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

Holistic Stomatitis Protocol Note that holistic approaches take longer than do allopathic ones. These the supplements we've been using, but it doesn't mean some aren't optional. What seemed to turn things around was one course of antibiotics along with Coptis Purge Fire. You may have to contin

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

o use on cats who would allow me to do this!* > > *Natalie =^..^=* > > * * > > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves > *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:46 PM > > *To:* felvtal

Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

^=* > * * > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves > *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2012 6:46 PM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis > > Holistic Stomatitis P

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Stomatitis

Were you doing steroids all through this process? On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Susan Hoffman wrote: > Snowy had three separate procedures -- the first to extract teeth, then > when that did not solve the problem she had the first laser treatment, and > then she went back for a touch-up with t

Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply

The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself, using balanced recipes online (I can send you links and my own recipe, if you like). I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best com

Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply

> > > > > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:10 AM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats p

Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites?

Isn't it impossible to diagnose FIP? On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM, GRAS wrote: > Oh, no – poor baby! I am so sorry! > > The vet couldn’t think of trying anything else? > > I also found that when they don’t respond to antibiotics, toxoplasmosis > may be present, and it took me over 6

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

See http://holisticat.com/flutd.html That site also has diet recipes, or you could write me for mine (which is a chicken version much like found on other sites). Keep track of the urine pH (using a SmartCat litterbox?). I found that Vitamin C didn't help much getting the acidity up, but feedin

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

nd capsules of cranberry extract for this type of situation. Not sure > cats and cranberries would get along very well but you might google that > also. > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > ------

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

Not only are corn, wheat, and soy not cat food (they can't digest veggies very well, much less grains, which can give them diabetes and IBD), but unless the corn and soy are organic, they are most likely GMO, and soy can give cats Hyperthyroidism (I learned this the hard way on a 7-month-old who di

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

x27;m a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and > chicken. So they eat my corn and tofu. Weird world. > > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > ------ > *Fro

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

n for > myself recently, one of my cats ran over and began gobbling it. Sheesh! > Since I'm a vegetarian, they don't get leftovers like hamburger and > chicken. So they eat my corn and tofu. Weird world. > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relativ

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

world. > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > -- > *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 1:11 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Fel

Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

Check out Dr. Deva Khalsa, author of The Natural Dog. I don't recommend her for homeopathics, but she is very up on research and does telephone consultations. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:23 PM, wrote: > :( my other dachshund is on Royal Canine Hepatic for her micro vascular > dysplasia. > Sent

Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

Yes, I use baby food (without onions and garlic, of course). Not the best, but it goes through a syringe! On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Natalie wrote: > People always believe that if something is expensive, it MUSDT be good! > Well, it's the exact opposite. The only one I ever use is A-D

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

Nutro is pretty awful stuff, too. The best canned food out there is Merrick Before Grain, and even that has carageenan in it. You may also have to add some pumpkin/veggies (5%). It's unknown if it's balanced in terms of Phos:Ca, as the company isn't very forthcoming. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at

Re: [Felvtalk] FELV+, Struvite Crystals, and Nutrition

Of what did the big kitty die? I've heard of cats living beyond 30 years, and often wonder if we fed them correctly that they wouldn't routinely live to at least somewhere between 20 and 30 years. Some people think cats just have weak kidneys, but if they did, their species wouldn't have lasted

Re: [Felvtalk] Science Diet

Purportedly egg yolk lethicin dissolves hairballs, but I've not tried it. On Sun, Sep 2, 2012 at 1:40 AM, wrote: > My guys are not too crazy about Royal Canindry or canned SD. They do like > Royal Cannin "Extreme Hairball" dry. I don't feed it as food, but as a > treat. It seems to help Casey

Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting

Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite predation (of any sort). This is why if you want to reduce a species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting

gt; > ** ** > > *From:* Felvtalk > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM > > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting > > ** ** > > Yes, I&#x

Re: [Felvtalk] Declaw

Also: http://www.*pawproject*.*org*/ Technically, it's like getting your fingers cut off at the first knuckle, except that all that cats have for fingers are their claws. So it's really like having all your entire fingers (and thumbs) cut off, so you can't pick up any

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting

> ** ** > > *From:* Felvtalk > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting > > ** ** > > Does this happ

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting

The Jains eat only things that fall from the plants, so the plants don't get killed. After I read this, I quit eating root veggies. On the other hand, they do not believe in keeping pets, much along the lines of PeTA, except they don't kill them. Have you seen this book? It may be a key to he

Re: [Felvtalk] Flea Products

I'm not a big fan of spot-on flea meds, either, as it only makes scientific sense that some will survive and be resistant to the poison (as with bacteria and abx). I've only had to use them (Advantage, which my vet said is the safest for cats, but your mileage may vary) once when we had a flea inf

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products

Advantage is safer than is Revolution for cats, or so my then-vet said. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:51 PM, wrote: > I GOT rEVOLUTION ONCE AND IT CAUSED THEM TO LOOSE THEIR HAIR AT THE > APPLICATION POINT. THEN THE HAIR CAME BACK IN SNOW WHITE. NOT TOO FOUND > OF THAT. VET AGREED AND WE STOPPED I

Re: [Felvtalk] SuzieQ (was President)

Either try a serum from Dr. Chachoua or give pain meds, if they would help. Is it in her lungs? If fluid is building up around them from the cancer, then have them tapped often enough so she is not in respiratory distress. Cats really do not handle that well. On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 9:14 AM, Edn

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

I wonder if you should try to get a tubal ligation instead, as a recent study indicates that longevity is tied to keeping the ovaries: http://www.gpmcf.org/respectovaries.html I'd avoid the vaxes, as the immune system is already wonked. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Maryam Ulomi wrote: > Tha

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

Can you get a titer instead of vaxing for rabies each (three) year(s) or does your law not allow that? Also, I'm sure you know that 1-year and 3-year rabies vax are the same contents with different labels. And that experiments have shown the rabies vax lasts at least 7 years, if not for life.

Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Flea Products

Just note that with cats, who lack the liver enzyme to process toxins the way humans and doggies can, the toxic buildup is over time. On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Sharyl wrote: > I've been using Revolution on my 13 house rescues for a yr now with no > problems. Age ranges from kittens to 19

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

gnize it as > sufficient. The vets make money on the vaccinations every year. Why > should they stop a good cash cow (or cat)? > > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > ---

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

Yep. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Lorrie wrote: > I did not know the 1 year and 3 year rabies were the same. So the vet > gives a new cat or kitten the first vaccination for rabies and then > makes extra $$ by having you return for another vaccination in a year. > > >

Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccinations

You can also just vax for Panleuk only. On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Beth wrote: > Mine were not symptomatic at the time they got the FVRCP. They became > symptomatic immediately afterward. If there is a huge risk of getting > panleukopenis (sp?) You might want to take the risk - if you resc

Re: [Felvtalk] Hartz

Too bad their FB page doesn't allow comments. On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 5:11 AM, Marcia Baronda wrote: > I know this sounds minor, but their cat litter ( I bought it in my small > town because I'm 30 miles from a Walmart, and was in desperate need), > anyway, their cat litter could cause emphysema i

Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

I'm curious as to how much you are spending per day per cat feeding dry. I am able to feed raw for 70 cents/day per cat. If you didn't buy the chicken from Whole Foods, which charges about twice as much as do, say local ethnic butchers, then you could roll in for around half that. I've heard the

Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

so > gained weight on Kirkland. I need to widen the doorway for him. > I will probably have to keep buying the Kirkland and just work harder. > > > Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > -- &g

Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

Remember, rabbits don't produce Taurine the way cats don't, so if you feed rabbits again, add Taurine. Cats died in studies where they were only fed rabbit. I have forgotten to get meat out of the freezer, but put it in a plastic bag and float it in cold water. That defrosts it really quickly.

Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

They do eat by-products when they eat the whole prey, but they are getting all the rest, too, which they don't get with just by-products (where the good stuff has been taken out for human consumption). By-products contain much less nutrition and are often indigestible. Note that cats also get so

Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

Yes, searing the raw meat is a good way to get the smell factor up. I had one cat that took six months to get off kibble and onto raw. On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 12:28 PM, Susan Hoffman wrote: > I tried raw with my 15 year old calico a few years ago. She wouldn't > touch it, wanted me to fry it

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Mailing list

Islay, you can do that yourself. Click on the second link below and it will take you to the page where you can manage your subscription. On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Islay Mulcahy wrote: > Please remove my name and address from your mailing list. > > Thank you. > > -- > If what you seek,

Re: [Felvtalk] Ta ta for now

They're still selling the from-China chicken breast doggie treats that killed/sickened lots of animals, only because the FDA can't figure out what's wrong with them. On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Natalie wrote: > Thanks, just spread the word on it, post on FB, etc. – I did. It’s a > shame th

Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

Actually, a lot of ferals live on/supplement with insects. We don't have water bugs inside here, but I've seen them around, so the cats must be eating them.(BTW, just read that insects are the healthiest meat humans can eat, as they are low-fat and animal fat is hard on humans.) On Sat, Oct

Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

ives and nasty > neighbors too! > > > -- > *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Friday, October 12, 2012 4:36 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food > > They do eat by-products whe

Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food

I spend half again that much.However, it's not a numbers game, it's what you can handle. I know of someone who has 40 colonies in three cities. She gets up at 2:30 a.m. each morning to do half each day, and then goes to work full time. (BTW, she spends $1000/month on mostly kibble.) Do yo

[Felvtalk] Fwd: The Price of Cat Food

Sending again. Gmail makes it difficult to trim posts, as it doesn't show everything. -- Forwarded message -- From: Kathryn Hargreaves Date: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Price of Cat Food To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org These were the links she

Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic, of interest to many: Webcast: Fixing the Feline Housing Crisis (how sheltertsd canb make cats sick!!!)

They make these available afterwards as videos: http://www.maddiesfund.org/Resource_Library/Maddies_Video_Library/Shelter_Medicine_Videos.html On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 3:57 PM, wrote: > Will they ahve something in print for those of us who cannot go to this? > Would like to take to local no kil

Re: [Felvtalk] "No-kill" animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

What pound was this? That's one of the only good things about the pounds around here is that they don't test for FIV/Felv, so then they don't kill for it. Of course, I think they should test, and still not kill for it. These are the open-admission No Kill (saving 90%+) shelters in the U.S.: htt

Re: [Felvtalk] "No-kill" animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

are usually owned by the local municipality. > > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> > > > -- > *From:* Kathryn Hargreaves > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Cc:* Alev Durmus > *S

Re: [Felvtalk] "No-kill" animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

t:* Re: [Felvtalk] "No-kill" animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat > > According to her email it wasn't a pound, it was a so-called no-kill > shelter. > "Pounds" are usually owned by the local municipality. > > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.o

Re: [Felvtalk] "No-kill" animal shelter killing FeLV+ cat

Yes, and some have even gone so far as to define ``adoptable'' as those for which they have cages! Outta space, outta luck. As Christine probably knows, there are over 200 cities/towns that are now No Kill. As for No Kill places being hard to find, at least someone is looking for them. In fac

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